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Ok, first Informations about the new Besiktas stadium
-Architect is HOK Sports
-Capacity will be 42.000
-it will sosts 80 mil. €
-69 VIP suites
-1st tier 18.000 and 2nd tier 18.000
-theatre for 5.000 people
-2.500 parkings


During conctruction Besiktas will play at Zeytinburnu Stadium or Kasimpasa stadium. European matches at Atatürk Olimpiyat

http://www9.gazetevatan.com/newpics/news/230220082332087673755.jpg

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why :D

1 stadium is u/c
Kayseri
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=406936

and 5 are proposed
new Ali Sami Yen 52.000
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=449758
new Besiktas stadium 36.000
new Bursa Stadium 35.000
new Konya stadium 33.000 (no pic yet)
new Trabzon unknown
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455926


its not clear if all will be built


Don´t tell me Besiktas is going to move!!! the location on the bosporus is perfect, If the match is shit, you can always enjoy the view!

Don´t tell me Besiktas is going to move!!! the location on the bosporus is perfect, If the match is shit, you can always enjoy the view!
actually they want to say
but it isn't clear if they would get a permission
its a historical side
so the stadium has to be very "pure" and the current stadium was built in 1947
its not clear if they can demolish it


the 2002 project
at this time only the old "towers" has to stay
capacity was 35.000
the same architects as for the current stadium
as you can see the old "towers" stayed
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5267/bjk57wp.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/10/bjk2ee.jpg

why :D

1 stadium is u/c
Kayseri
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=406936

and 5 are proposed
new Ali Sami Yen 52.000
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=449758
new Besiktas stadium 36.000
new Bursa Stadium 35.000
new Konya stadium 33.000 (no pic yet)
new Trabzon unknown
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455926


its not clear if all will be built
I have never heard this Beşiktaş stadium. As I know they don't have any plan for building a new stadium...

but they allready have a cap around 35 000 don´t they?

http://www.worldstadiums.com/middle_east/countries/turkey/marmara.shtml

yes
the capacity was around 21.000 3 years ago
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/TUR/Inonu_alt.html

than they lower the pitch and extended the 1st tier and the capacity rised to 32.145
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/TUR/Inonu.html

But the record attendace of the was before the expansion
42.946
Galatasaray-Fenerbahçe (2:1)
06.06.1969

But its an old stadium
no restaurants, cafes, boxes etc
but ^^^ means money

looks like the area is too small for an 50.000 seater
and i don't think you can't built a very steep stand (too high-> affect the historical view)

this was a 45.000 seater stadium
as you can see the bosphorus stand was like the other stand behind the goal
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8914/innzu3ov5.jpg

Money, getting permission and free lands are the main problems

I have never heard this Beşiktaş stadium. As I know they don't have any plan for building a new stadium...

was announced las week
according to the BJK guy they will present the new project (IMO its will be only a remake of the 2002 project) next week
http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12362&start=65

asaparagas news...

Don't believe anything like this... If Beşiktaş wantys to stay at Dolmabahçe they can't touch this stadium.

If this news is serious, it is just a policy to force the state to show a plot for a new stadium... I can even learn the truth even today...

exactly what i think
they say memorial committee won't say something etc
But i do not believe it
a new stadium (+50.000) in a new area would be better
But waht will happend to the old stadium?
it would be perfect if they would blow up the Süper Plaza Tower behind the stadium
the tower should fall at the stadium

and the area should be the expansion of the Maçka park

http://www.ntvspor.net/Images/26478.jpg

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Ok, its getting serious with the Besiktas stadium project.
According to the news they will show the project this sunday
It will be built on the current location, just 40m more north

It will have a retraceable roof and the capacity will be 42.000 (according to NTV sports news 45.000).

Ok, its getting serious with the Besiktas stadium project.
According to the news they will show the project this sunday
It will be built on the current location, just 40m more north

It will have a retraceable roof and the capacity will be 42.000 (according to NTV sports news 45.000).

Fantastic news. That will surely make me visit Istanbul in the next few years! (as if Saracoglu and Aslantepe didn't :| ). Keep us updated (I know you will, just feel excited about this more than as if it was in Poland...)
Personally- what chances do you see for the stadium to be built this time?

As i maybe already mentioned i never really believed in it, because its a histirocal site. Memorial committee would not give a permission. And they had the problem with the old ottoman gate which is integrated into the old "Bosphorus" stand.
The government announced that they want to built new stadiums out of the city centre in nearly every big turkish city. But Besiktas's one will be located at the same place, therefore i do not believed it.
BUT the turkish Football Federation's plan was to built a new one at the same place. It should became the new national stadium of the national team.

According to news it will paid by the state, sponsors and Besiktas.
So, the stadium will be built 40m more in the north
The old "Bosphorus" stand with its gate will stay as a amphitheater
http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/44250/2002457634858954345_rs.jpg

Besiktas plans to start with the conctruction on May 19th (youth and sports day in Turkey)

I am a lil bit confused about the capacity. First they said 45.000-50.000. Yesterday evening NTV said 45.000, but today Fanatik says 42.000. According to Fanatik its a english design group


BTW: Diyarbakir major said to a newspaper, that they plan to built a new 30.000 seater stadium for Diyarbakirspor (IMO it will have a track).

Mersin plans also a new +30.000 stadium, because they want to bid for the Mediterranean games

Istanbul chamber of architects are against the new Besiktas stadium, because according to them the current stadium should be kept "alive". Its a architectural heritage

Istanbul chamber of architects are against the new Besiktas stadium, because according to them the current stadium should be kept "alive". Its a architectural heritage

But ironically, if it is kept in the current form- it makes the club's further development virtually impossible. Therefore it doesn't actually fully serve the club, thus not assuring it's primary function. I think respect for history is one thing, but the reality of new sports arenas is different.

A bit philosophic, but I hope you understand...

As an example I may give the new Legia Warszawa stadium- the facade of one stand is of high historical value and so it will be incorporated into the new design. I think the proposed vision of the Inonu gateway remaining as an amphitheatre is fine- both original and allowing the stadium to reach a new level.

exactly, what will happen to the current stadium if BJK decides to built a new stadium in another area?

First they said that only the historical gate should stay (like it stayed at the asp proposal), but ~2 years ago the chamber said that the whole stadium should stay
But i really can understand the chamber, this is a very historical part and a big stadium would destroy the old view

Now Diyarbakir and Mersin - stadium projects are flying around in Turkey at the moment! :D

I have mixed feelings about the BJK proposal though. Perhaps it would be best for the club if they moved elsewhere...42k won't be too expandable in the future either, I presume?

We'll see what comes up on Sunday. :)

Yes, 42.000-45.00 is maye the maximum (like for GS at the current old stadium location).
Actuallly FB can't also expand :D

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As i understand it

1st tier - VIP suites level - Business/club seats level? - VIP suites level - 2nd tier

What's in the glassy building attached to the stadium?
The theatre?

I think the theatre will be the old "bosphorus" stand (as i understand they will just cover it)

the spaceshipt in the nort is maybe the parking area

spectacular design :okay:
Inside is the same than Lille (again :lol: )

Is it really red lightened??

The overall feeling is "Fenerbahce stadium"

Yes, its a lil bit like lille, but lille has got more rows. especially the "2nd" tier is at lille a club seats level and vip level, but i just saw it here, that it has got only 5 rows. so its more just a vip balcony

They said it will have a retraceble roof, but no pic with closed roof :(
As i said, an expansion can be onyld one by taking the streets underground
http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/44946/2002093196496565855_rs.jpg


Why FB stadium? FB stadium is IMo diffent. it has got tower at the corners and the 2nd tier at the endzone stands is different (rows, height, steepness) than the other 2 one.

Yeah, very nice project for Brasilia.

I don't really like the attached 'spaceship' to Besiktas Stadium, would look better without it in my opinion.

i think its a contrast between the old bosphorus stands
old bosphorus stand - mixed stadium - spacy parking :D

http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/44568/2002009399037962977_rs.jpg

Good design although Im wondering whether the walls to the pitch are a bit too high?
Im happy that Besiktas is getting a new stadium though.
Istanbul will soon have quite an impressive stadium/arena "scenery" :cheers:

Yes, the wall looks a lil bit too high
I still do not believe in this one.
Too historical area and too close to the Bosphorus

according to this plans 69 vip boxes + 3 lounges
(120 was written by a newspaper)
http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/43994/2005896893040141887_rs.jpg

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/47049/2005826455598664258_rs.jpg

wow, wow:yes::yes: ¡¡¡¡ Congratulations to Besiktas
Beautiful stadium

In countrys like turkey, roofs should provide more shade for poeple, viewing the match.Especialy in summer where temperatures are high, and being in the sun is notso pleasent.

Yeah, i do not understand therfore a glass roof.
I think the reason was to have a transparent roof, because of its close location to the palace, actually the general historical area.

Wow there's some seriously good stadia coming down the pipe good to see them popping around. The new Besiktas is awsome from the outside but the inside is quite average IMO.

any updates?

thanks God nothing :cheers:

Besiktas ( The best, that f**ks the rest in Turkey :rock: ) won't have a modern stadium? :mad:
I think Besiktas fans are mad :lol:
They could go to play at Ataturk since both Galata and Fener won't need it for C.L. anyway. But i heard its really far away from the city and attendance will suffer.

They can have a new stadium, but they are too stubborn.
They want to built the stadium at the current old one site.
But its to close to the Bosphorus and the Dolmabahce area is a historical area.

They have to search for a new plot in the city.


Olympic stadium sucks and BJK will never use it.
Actually only GS can fill this big stadium. I still hope that they will destroy the stadium

Yeah, I saw it on Google Earth and from some pics that Besiktas have a super place...
Ataturk might suck because of the athletics track but the seats on the top tier can give a good view, can't they?
After building such a huge stadium that can host CL Final, WC Final, Olympic Games and you say it sucks doesn't it hurt when you pay the taxes? :D

Because of this super place you cannot built a new stadium :)
Even the old one is wrong. Big mistake done in the 1940s

Yeah, but better then Ataturk in a bad neighborhood not just far from the center but it looks kinda of ghetto ( Guvvercintepe or something like that, i see on Google Earth ).

GS's new stadium will be in a very good area. City border, but still very close. Close to the CBD.

The problem at BJK (Besiktas JK) is that they do not want to move away.

Stadium is in the Besiktas district.

And i think it offers pretty good view, it ain't bad for old...but they could still renovate it...adding a roof on all the stands and stuff.

Actually its a old stadium and too small.
BJK needs a modern stadium

GS's new stadium will be in a very good area. City border, but still very close. Close to the CBD.

The problem at BJK (Besiktas JK) is that they do not want to move away.

Stadium is in the Besiktas district.

Could you give any possible plots anywhere near (wherever the nearest is, of course :) ) the current Inonu?

and if you asked me, the high-rise that grew near Inonu spoils the area good enough... though I only know it from photos, but it looks hideously near the mosque.

There aren't any empty or possible plots next to the stadium or in the Besiktas district.
IMO BJK is too "nostalgia". If they will stay here than they will not be able to compete with the other 2 one.

This tower will be demolished in some years :D

^^ Beşiktaş lives in a dream. Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray is getting strong in both organization and finance, but BJK doesn't do anything. They built two skyscrapers but witht he bad administration, the oewrs won't bring anything as income, and they have some legality problems. They have to move from the down town. This stadium is a production of ignorance. Nobody in the world builds a stadium at the city center, next to the Iperial Palace and historical state buildings. Okay stadium had an historical and monumentl view in the past. But today it is deformed and lost its orginal monumental shape.

Well I don't know Istanbul only from some pictures...
Besiktas stadiums is in the center. Do the fans of the club represent a more higher social class face to Galatasaray or Fener? Being in the center might have a meaning then.
Fenerbahce is on the other side of the city, access to that side is pretty hard thinking there's only one big bridge over there and another one up north so it's pretty stressing for someone who lives on the other side, i think Besiktas fans will hate this option as much as a new one as far as Olympic Ataturk is.
Are there any permanent buses crossing the Bosphorus Bridge? If not what would they do, swim to the other side if no money for a taxi? :D

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IMO the design in these pics would be the best way forward for Besiktas. A capacity of 35-40k would be ideal as they do not and will never attract bigger crowds like Gala or Fener. This design is perfect considering they cannot touch the historic "thing" at one end.

Capacity of this project was 35,000
Average attendance is currently around 25,000-28,000.
So in a more modern stadium with a roof i am sure BJK will have a attendance of +35,000

i hope BJK will built his new stadium.There is only one option.....to look for another area.I don´t think municipaly will accept a new stadium in Besiktas

Besiktas has a potential to play in front of 40k if 42k project put into practice. Because of strong wind coming from the bosphorus freezes u, you can easily get pneumonia :ohno:

http://www.spor3.com/news_detail.php?id=442602

while a visiting of Besiktas President Yildirim Demirören at the President of Turkey Abdullah Gül because of an invitation to the opening of the Besiktas Fulya Project on February 12th, Abdullah Gül promised to look after the Stadium Project and to look for the premissions to build this stadium.

And for the new stadium there are new possible sponsors one is the Emirates Group and the Türk Telekom.

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genious plan, fantastic, is this roof that changes color, like bayern munchen stadium

Don't know.
We haven't got much informations.

There are some new informations.
Looks like they will start this may. They just need the permission of the memorial council.
But some says they have to reduce it to 38,000-39,000 while some news says it will stay at 42,000.

According to a newspaper the satdium will cost 110 Mil Euro (before it was 80 Mil Euro) and it will have 120 suites (before 68 suites)

Source A : 38,000
Source B : 42,000

So the final capacity will be 40,000 lol

Are they going ahead with the HOK proposal? I don't think they should leave because as Pele said and rightfully so Besiktas play in the best setting in the world for a stadium. I like the horseshoe design more. The HOK design is good as well but I prefer the Horseshoe it keeps the view intact.

As far as i know they will stay at the HOK project.
Actually you see more trees than water :D
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/TUR/Inonu_neu7.jpg
In a Horseshoe design capacity would be just 35,000.
Even 42,000 is pretty low for Besiktas.

I hope they will take HOK and that the Stadium will be >40000

As far as i know they will stay at the HOK project.
Actually you see more trees than water :D
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/TUR/Inonu_neu7.jpg
In a Horseshoe design capacity would be just 35,000.
Even 42,000 is pretty low for Besiktas.

Hello Sercan,

do have any kind of informations how serious the comments of Ertugrul Günay are ? He said that he want that stadium out of the city not only the new stadium, he said the current Inönü should be closed ...

greets Karakartal

Ertugrul Günay is just tourism minister.
But many chambers and architects are against this project.
Many say that the current stadium and the skyscraper behind it have to be destroyed.

IMO it will be like at GS.
First old stadium plot. Than city and politicians say no.
Like GS new plot somewhere else.

the new stadium can be like monaco's Stade Louis 2.Location of Inonu Stadium is superb.Bjk should consider their new stadium more carefully.They must work with rewarded designers.I didn't like the current project.it's really shoddy.

Problem is that the club wants 42k.

Problem is that location :p
The current area is one of the most used direction in istanbul and between the 3 crowded districts. Even with the current capacity it is enough to smash up traffic , building a rather bulky stadium over same spot would just make it worse.
I don't have a problem with the project. It looks quite well and elegance , compared to other projects of turkey. As i have said , they just should build it somewhere else than besiktas , especiall somewhere is far away than Dolmabahce. We already have suzer plaza there which ruins landscape , there is no need in another boil in same area.

there is no problem for anything.there is always a solution.if bjk move the location of stadium it will be the end of spirit.

But stadium income will lower and it isn't possible to expand the stadium later (20-25 years later)

42,000 is maybe currently ok, but maybe the average attendance will rise in some years.

i think it will be opposite.people will watch matches on tv and this will effect population of stadiums.bjk should'nt leave for a few more audiences.

look at the place.it's in the middle of teşvikiye, taksim, beşiktaş, eminönü.if you can't earn money from here, you are desperate.

If you have a first class venue the attendance will rise.
Currently just hardcore fans / ultras are visiting turkish stadiums.
Nearly no families etc.
With a bigger and more comfortable stadium the average attendance will rise (like it happend in Europe).
But how dou you want to earn more money than you rivals?
Capacity and number of suites is lower.
And because of the small plot its impossible to add entertainment builgings or at least more restaurants and lounges.

I am a Galatasaray Fan, but i do not want to see Besiktas playing in a 38-42k stadium.
They deserve more and i still believe that the 3 big ones can sell +60k season tickets. Our prices are very high. BEL, NED or GER is lower although a Turk earns just 50% of them.


Besiktas has to make a decision.
Staying at the "homeland" and enjoying the nostalgia, but therefore lower satdium income
or to move to a new ground where you have the chance to become a bigger club.

2 new pics
http://foto.fanatik.com.tr/Article/2009/4/13_252390_28FAN8STAD2.jpg

http://foto.fanatik.com.tr/Article/2009/4/14_252391_28FAN8STAD3.jpg

some internet pages are telling that the stadium will have a removable pitch like Schalke,
but where is the place for a system like that ?
And they repeat the plans, that the stadium will have a roof, but there are no pictures with roof, and it is porposed that the outside of the stadium will have a light system like Alianz Arena, the VIP boxes will be like the ones of Real Madrid ...

http://fanatik.ekolay.net/...4%B1zda_3_HDetail_33_131724.htm

Any news ?

They are waiting for the permission of the memorial comitee and as i said before they will never get it, because its a historical district.

Since the Eski Açık tribune is going to be preserved into the new stadium, it can serve as an entrance gate to the new stadium. Also, if it is going to get permission, the new stadium's exterior needs to be redesigned to blend in with the historical district it is located on.

I think the planned solution (turning the eski acik stand into an amphitheatre) is the best one.
But i still think they will never get a permission.

the best is to build that project somewhere else and turning eski acik into an amphitheatre... the rest of plot should plant or turn out to some small thematic park which is open to public. This is the second worst project for that area, they let first one to be built, i hope they dont do same mistake... we still don't know how to deal with that *Gokkafes* aka humiliation monument

Its election time at Besiktas JK.
A candidate has got a new plan.

-Bosphorus stadn will stay and they will built 3 new stands
-all stand will be financed by sponsors
-150 suits at 2 levels
-6 VIP seats
-~30,000

President has been elected again
and this time the old and new president wants to built this stadium

looks like they just changed the cladding
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6929/adszzhs.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5161/ads2z.png

200 suites

nice!!! happy it's still 42k

i don't like it
looks like nazi architecture

OMG. what a bad design. where are the gates. what are these small windows. FAIL.

Hotels, shopping areas, conference centers. It's just a dream. They don't have enough space ability for them.

Looks alot like a Roman colliseum...

very ugly design

http://i45.tinypic.com/ae8oc4.jpg

lookls like colosseum

hmm... I see your point sercan. Nazi architecture was also inspired by the romans and it really looks kinda like the colosseum.
They should add more glass and reduce the amount of collumns.

Actualyl they should build the new one in a new area

Its just a paper project of the current president.
He is the worst president in BJK's history.

The project is enlarged.The president of Beşiktaş,Yeter Yıldırım Demirören has interwiewed the President of the Turkey and mayor in recent days.The new project includes heliport,parking garage the car-park under the ground,hostel,managerial offices,shopping center,restaurant,sauna,fitness center and culture complex.
The offical explanation and its details will be declared in this month.

http://www.htspor.com/Futbol/spor-haber/209926-iste-inonu-plani.aspx

I still think that they won't approve it.
Wrong location

they can't do it...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/10/bjk2ee.jpg

IMO the design in these pics would be the best way forward for Besiktas. A capacity of 35-40k would be ideal as they do not and will never attract bigger crowds like Gala or Fener. This design is perfect considering they cannot touch the historic "thing" at one end.[/QUOTE]

dalgami geciyosunuz bunun nesi mukemmel,bu simdi tarihi dokuya uygunmu oluyor,onu bırak denize karsi yonde acik trıbun bırakmak sence akıllıcamı?
hayır ne haber olarak ne proje dıye cıddıye alınacak en ufak tarafı yok ama bu sacmalıklarında desteklenmemesi lazım

New one?
43,500
http://i26.tinypic.com/2wh0cw1.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/21enw61.jpg

It looks ugly! :(

This one looks great!

New rendering in new location?

Different version of the HOK project.
Same location. They do not want to move away

Same location? Wasn't the original location a historical site of Istanbul? And that's why the authorities reject to give bulding permission? Right? Why don't they try to find other locations?

The latest rumour was that they sadi max. coule be 36,000. If its 36,000 it can be approved

Looks like it will be approved.
But maybe a new project / design.

New rendering in new location?

same location... the hillside doesn't look as steep as it is in real life... but it's the same location alright.

it's an awesome spot to watch a game from. pity that you wont have the same view of the bosphorus as you have now when it's fully enclosed, but i guess that's not really the point is it.

Council of monuments give permission for project.Construction will start May of 2011.

http://www.dha.com.tr/inonu-stadi-yikiliyor-son-dakika-haberi_138144.html

FINALLY!! I cant read the news at the fanpages whatsoever, normally haber1903 has the latest news, but dha is reliable! Can't wait how the final project looks like.

Yes yes yes
we got it, how great, how important is that for the club,
I hope that the Club will do everything to start as soon asap

let's not get too carried away quickly...we need to see the project.
I hope it fits the glory of the club and the elegance of the dolmabahce palace.

i hope they built the HOK project.Hok is making the best design !!

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6929/adszzhs.jpg
What a beauty and perfect for Istanbuls multicultural achitecture!

The other one above is just ugly.

regarding the roof, clear once are perfect for north europe, but in mediteranian heat, it should be more shadowcasting like arab designs.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6929/adszzhs.jpg
What a beauty and perfect for Istanbuls multicultural achitecture!

The other one above is just ugly.

regarding the roof, clear once are perfect for north europe, but in mediteranian heat, it should be more shadowcasting like arab designs.


This one is too complicated! It would take forever to build such a thing. Club management should present the project to the public ASAP because fans are getting impatient and too many speculations are flying around. By the way, Istanbul is no mediterranean so clear roof would be OK I think.

I am not familar with building processes, but due to its repeating architecture, couldnt that be build with precasted concrete elements?

I am really excited what kind of design will be build. Istanbul is really tranforming into the football heaven of derbies. :banana:

Whos paying for this stadium? I dont understand how Besiktas have found the funds to build a big stadium after spending plenty of there money on transfers...This cost of this stadium will go up and up as they are using land in the city were building any building will go through struggles!

Sponsor is paying a part of it ( You pay, you 'sell' system ) and a part of it comes from Besiktas itself. 120mil are the planned costs and yearly revenue is expected to be 65 mil euro a year at least. So its very profitable + more comfort for fans. Furthermore, we spend like 11 mil euro for transfers this season compared to last few years its nothing. Approximatly 10/20 mil euro comes from uefa cup tv rights alone + thanks to the selling of the rights for the Super Lig, every team gets more money this year compared to last seasons and last but not least, the stadium is packed every week :)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6929/adszzhs.jpg
What a beauty and perfect for Istanbuls multicultural achitecture!

The other one above is just ugly.

regarding the roof, clear once are perfect for north europe, but in mediteranian heat, it should be more shadowcasting like arab designs.

how it suits istanbul's "multicultural architecture" when this mass in the picture has not even any aesthetical element or architectural style??
if your multicultural architecture definition is slum arcihtecture you absolutely right but i do not think this image/model!? can be taken seriously as a subject or option offers for new project.
already it seems not to scaled (model looks nearly 2 times higher but horizontal dimensions fits in the same/current area)
xwe can see structure contour rather grow if we compared horizontal dimenions with appearing height according to picture.
and already (thanks to god or reconstruction regulations) this structure will not to be allowed with its apprearing height.
http://www.resimsakla.com/data/media/9/800px-Besiktas_Inonu_Stadium.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/BJK_Inonu_Stadium_in_Istanbul.jpg/285px-BJK_Inonu_Stadium_in_Istanbul.jpg
small and old but i think that no building even the most technologic and bigger built cant take this beautiful building's place.
a summer night,during the match; watching the team together amazing sight; dolmabahce,sea and passing ferries:)
i know these are not necessary for a football stadium, but inonu stadium actually very special for istanbul and besiktas.
i hope project approach will be emotional:) as much as spectucular arena imaginary
and maybe not all but some of beatiful memories remain in the new project.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/BJK_%C4%B0n%C3%B6n%C3%BC_Stadium_original_project_model_1939.jpg/800px-BJK_%C4%B0n%C3%B6n%C3%BC_Stadium_original_project_model_1939.jpg

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According to the BJK board the new one will have the same height of the old one (because of its historical area).

So we will see a new design.

Same height but according to the stand having 3 tiers (it's called yeni açık).

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4876/besiktasinonu6.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/besiktasinonu6.jpg/)

IMO it will have 2 tiers (the HOK one had a businessseats tier between 1st and 2nd tier) and one suit ring like at Schalke.


Still think that 42,000 will be too small for BJK in 10-20 years :)

Old Inönü had an cap. of 21,000. Average was 16-18k.

After expansion cap. rised to 32k. Average rised to 25-28k :)

playing in front of 42.000 mad fans at the heart of your own neighborhood= priceless:cheers:
I think it is very important that we stay in dolmabahce area. it is worth compromise from capacity. besides, stamford bridge and the new juve stadium are both 42.000 seaters. besiktas will play full capacity when the new temple is finished.

But Chelsea wants to built a new 60k stadium and Juve's one is possible to expand.

as far as I know chelsea do not want to move to a new location. they deny new stadium talks. if besiktas moved to a far corner of the city, attendance would decline for sure. it has become a match-day-tradition for the fans to meet with fellow fans in besiktas, drink a couple of beers and walk to the stadium along the dolmabahce road. I am glad that the club respects this.

sercan, you seem to be quite knowledgeable on the stadium construction business. can you speculate as to when the project will be announced? the president says it will take at most two years to finish the project.

If they stay at HOK Sports the new project will be presented maybe in 3-5 months.

Than the bid for the construction etc.

So maye in 1 year they will start. 2 year construction is normal. Could be faster with more precast elements, but unlike in Europe workers are cheaper than precast.
So maybe in 2014 we can see BJK in the new stadium.


I know the special atmosphere, but come on. You are Besiktas JK :)
In some years 42,000 will be too small.

BTW the same special atmosphere was in Mecidiyeköy for the GS fans. IMO BJK could fill a 50k stadium outside the Besiktas district

as far as I know chelsea do not want to move to a new location. they deny new stadium talks. if besiktas moved to a far corner of the city, attendance would decline for sure.


That is false, Chelsea have wanted to expand for years, and the past few years Abrohomvic wanted earls court arena 1 and 2 (as its being demolished in a few years) as there new home... This has been rejected as the area wouldnt cope with 60 thousand people...

http://www.sporxtv.com/futbol/superlig/besiktas/iste-besiktasin-olaganustu-yeni-stat-projesi-kartalSXTVQ21080SXQ

awesome project

1) its kitsch and ugly
2) its a fan made project

if they built that stadium with roof it will be like hell for opponents. as far as i remember besiktas fans are along the loudest in the world beside boca fans

That "thing" looks like a disneyland amusement ride! We want to see the real project.

The president has recently announced that construction will begin as of late may. Capacity will be around 42.500.

construction at the end of May

http://www.sporxtv.com/futbol/superlig/besiktas/iste-besiktasin-olaganustu-yeni-stat-projesi-kartalSXTVQ21080SXQ

awesome project

We have the same idea in France. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4kCMhSZOiI

By chance, the real new stadium for Nice is real better. I hope that could be the same for the besiktas.

This one is really beautiful.:applause:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6929/adszzhs.jpg

Another one
The Soccer Stadium is located nearly opposite the Dolmabahce Palace where they site directly on the Bosphorus water way. The "Club"is develop a new 42,000 seat Stadium to replace the aging venue and to create a world class facility that will be capable of holding UEFA and FIFA games as well as attract major events.

The development must enhance the economic, social and health welfare through sports and cultural interactions of Istanbul citizens and the world’s, while elevating the Club’s local and international performance.

The "Club" Mission is to create a world-class sporting facility including a cultural landmark to advance its position with Istanbul, Turkey and Europe. The Objective is to be a globally recognized sports venue that will attract international events, with multi-functional sports, recreation, cultural facilities that will be economically, culturally, socially and environmentally sustainable.

Designed to be an innovative architectural masterpiece, in accordance with the highest international standards, it is planned to be an destination hub for surrounding areas with year-round utilization.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7385/19ac57f8.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7637/8cd47039.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6007/5b313632.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9352/eaac46fc.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/206/4061a2e2.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9569/e6203b71.jpg

Simply awesome!!! Hopefully it will be build...

Very different and very interesting, I actually like the design in that spot, it might really work. I was in Istanbul during May and June, and the whole area has a really lovely civic character to it, and this seems like it could be a nice addition, and if theres a way to get the Besiktas fans any louder a roof would do it. I am not sure about the bowl from whats visible in the above renderings, but I guess we will need to see some proper interior shots to know for sure. Wondering if they can get one built with all of the legal rangels involved.

Sercan, which is the official one due for construction? I'm lost.

Everbody is lost :D

And as far as i know no projects has been approved yet.
Sports minister and culture minister said that the situation at Besiktas is "different" and you cannot compare it to Galatasaray.
"Besiktas is one of the biggest clubs in Turkey, but the historical Palace, Mosque etc are more important"


The city suggested BJK to give the free plot at Kazlicesme (also at the sea), but the club did not accept it.

True, but there are fairly modern hotels in the area, and its not like the Inonu Stadi is winning any beauty contests in its current state. I certainly agree the the design needs to mesh with the Dolmabahce Palace and the like, but this seems too be a pretty good design in that respect despite being so contemporary, to me anyway. But I suppose bureaucrats will drag their heels at innovative idea.

is 42,000 sufficient for Besiktas?? I think it is one of biggest clubs in Turkey and when Gala have 52000 and Fenerbachce 50000, 42000 is too small ?? or not .... ??

The right solution should be a variant of the Aviva Stadium or BayArena with a HUGE 25.000 Stand behind the goal giving a nice view on the church and the sea. Both stadias were build like that because of their enviroment. Overall capacity should be around 50-60.000.

http://www.detailresearch.de/uploads/RTEmagicC_Aviva_Stadium_Architect_Populous_and_Scott_Tallon_Walker_Photo__c_Donal_Murphy_1839_101D_kl.gif.gif
http://www.fussballzz.de/img/estadios/058/41058_ori_lansdowne_road_aviva_stadium.jpg
http://www.girsberger.com/typo3temp/pics/bayarena_g2_c252d7011b.jpg

I think the main problem is the construction etc next to the Dolmabahce Palace.

When they've built the Ritz Carlton Tower the rooms at Dolmabahce palace started to become mouldy, because there have been (unknown) fresh air tunnels to the Dolmabahce Palace.


42k is too low for Besiktas, but Besiktas JK do not want to leave the Besiktas distrcit

I will accept to leave the day they demolish Ritz Carlton and if they don't allow us to reconstruct our arena we will happily stay in the current one :)

Yes, but current one is old.
Your stadium income is pretty low if you compare it to GS or FB

I think the main problem is the construction etc next to the Dolmabahce Palace.

When they've built the Ritz Carlton Tower the rooms at Dolmabahce palace started to become mouldy, because there have been (unknown) fresh air tunnels to the Dolmabahce Palace.


So the new stadium must not be bigger than the current one? I guess that wont be a problem as the stadium now has the stand far away from the pitch. I addition you could dig it more in, 5 meters more down should be possible (maybe even more?)

Actually the stadium plot is not so big and the max. capacity is 42k.

But i think the city planning council allows just 36,000 (traffic).

Culture minsiter is against any big construction, because the works could influence the Palace etc.

I still do not believe that they will be able to built the new one here.

Currently its like GS. So many projects for the old plot and so many "promises" .

Politicians, city, monument committee, Chamber of Architects and city planning etc are against it.
Like FB BJK's biggest problem is that they do not want to leave the district / neighbourhood

BJK made an announcement today, because the new renderings have been published today.
"Its one of the proposed projects. We will choose one"

BJK made an announcement today, because the new renderings have been published today.
"Its one of the proposed projects. We will choose one"
So does anyone know the complete list of concepts they are to choose from?

I've counted 4.

Populous - The official one (Presented by the club)
42,000
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6343/bjkok5.jpg

?
42,000
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6929/adszzhs.jpg

?
43,500
http://i32.tinypic.com/21enw61.jpg

Giuseppe Colosimo
42,000
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7385/19ac57f8.jpg


And we have some old ones (canceled)

asp Stuttgart (the 1st one)
35,000
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7505/304n1kb5.jpg

Just new roof and new tier. I think cap. would have been 30,000 (+ lowering pitch ~37,000)
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8025/innzu.jpg

?
As far as i remember 36,000 or 38,000
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1739/innzu2.jpg

?
This one was the biggest one of the old ones. 40,000
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8712/innzu3.jpg

monuments comitte approved the project.

Thats a huge surprise. Looks very political. The sports minister said he will do anything.

I hope they built this

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7385/19ac57f8.jpg

I hope they built this

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7385/19ac57f8.jpg

Exactly, do we know if 'the project' means any of the above renders should be expected to get built? :)

According to some forums and news it will be a new project, because the cap. will be 37,000. Other say like the old one (so 32,000).

They should move to another place.

False news. Nothing approved. Culture minister said again that the current one won't be demolished and that he do not want to see a major construction at the historical area of Dolmabahce Palace

any chance to built new Besiktas stadium on other location ?

Yes, but the club do not want to move to another district

I hope they built this

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7385/19ac57f8.jpg

Same