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Mark76
July 5th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Doesn't it feel like that sometimes? I mean. We have no substantial production facilities (and, no a handful of news studios in Nottingham does not count), and I can't name a single programme produced by BBC:EM that's been broadcast nationally in the past five years. All despite having a collective population larger than Wales (home of Doctor Who and Torchwood amongst others).

thompski
July 6th, 2008, 12:45 AM
I am inclined to agree Mark76, though it goes beyond television in my opinion - our railways are crap, our cities are boring and I think we can do alot better generally.

majabl
November 21st, 2008, 08:02 PM
... and then Northampton, despite sitting in the East Midlands, gets lumped in with an entirely separate television region! BBC East basically seems to be everything that's left over once the rest of the country has been chopped up into bits - not sure what the link between me in Northampton and someone over in Suffolk is, but hey.

Ranwolf
November 21st, 2008, 09:21 PM
Just be glad you dont live in Lincolnshire. Where my dad lived was traditionaly Anglia with Central as the ITV station i parts to the west. Then when the TV mast near him was sold to Yorkshire TV they covered the region, I can tell you no-one I know felt hearing almost blacket coverage of news about Leeds and sometimes York was of any interest to them. We even had to put up with lots of crap Yorkshire based regional variation TV. I remember one time where it was European Cup on 3 i most of the country but an interview with Richard Whitely on Yorks! Not sure if BBC has followed the same regional changes but i would think so.

Patrick G
November 22nd, 2008, 12:22 AM
The East Midlands has always been an unfashionable region, but maybe thats why I like it.

People get all teary eyed and nostalgic over places like Liverpool and Newcastle, etc. To me they are just towns that are inhabited with people that are obsessed with their identities and making sure everyone knows where they are from.

We are different in that respect. More unassuming, less obvious.

However, we could show a little more solidarity sometimes.

kk_94093
November 22nd, 2008, 04:52 PM
well said Patrick_G ... !!! totally agree with you there

NewTroll
November 22nd, 2008, 08:46 PM
I like Nottingham and Leicester. Both good sizes, not too big, not too small.

Elizabeth Kinoke
November 23rd, 2008, 11:22 AM
I guess you guys have seen the Birmingham thread, if you feel the same way that the BBC now seem to ignore other areas do you think a petition to Government would make any difference, after all we pay for the company by licence and taxes through Gov.

Mark76
November 23rd, 2008, 12:04 PM
Maybe we could petition our MPs. If we can get enough of them to raise the issue someone at the beeb would have to take notice.

I haven't actually looked at the Birmingham thread, but I'm guessing some people are expressing the same sentiments (though, isn't Doctors made by BBC Birmingham? That's one more than we have :lol:).

majabl
November 23rd, 2008, 09:20 PM
Maybe we could petition our MPs. If we can get enough of them to raise the issue someone at the beeb would have to take notice.

I haven't actually looked at the Birmingham thread, but I'm guessing some people are expressing the same sentiments (though, isn't Doctors made by BBC Birmingham? That's one more than we have :lol:).

Doctors is on in the middle of the day so hardly anybody will watch it, compared with prime time! I also expect that, while it may be made in Birmingham, it could as easily be anywhere in the UK for all of the 'local feature' that there is in the programme.

I think that petitioning our MPs to raise the issue on our behalf would probably be more effective than a Government petition.

Mark76
November 23rd, 2008, 10:10 PM
I suppose we could say Robin Hood; as it's set in Nottingham. But it's a fake Nottingham filmed in Hungary (although it is incredibly lifelike ;) ).

But contemporary dramas and comedies set in our region? Not so much.

Elizabeth Kinoke
November 24th, 2008, 12:32 AM
I think that petitioning our MPs to raise the issue on our behalf would probably be more effective than a Government petition.

maybe a standard letter of complaint that we could all work on and copy and paste, then print off and sign then send to local MP could be worth a squirt. ?

moseeds
November 24th, 2008, 06:41 PM
Where's Keith Vaz when you need him??

leicslad3
November 24th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Could you imagine an East Midlands soap?
:nuts:
Strange Thoughts...

gothicform
November 24th, 2008, 09:08 PM
ust be glad you dont live in Lincolnshire. Where my dad lived was traditionaly Anglia with Central as the ITV station i parts to the west. Then when the TV mast near him was sold to Yorkshire TV they covered the region, I can tell you no-one I know felt hearing almost blacket coverage of news about Leeds and sometimes York was of any interest to them. We even had to put up with lots of crap Yorkshire based regional variation TV. I remember one time where it was European Cup on 3 i most of the country but an interview with Richard Whitely on Yorks! Not sure if BBC has followed the same regional changes but i would think so.

yes, its just absurd really. its the same for everything really, and the worse thing is this region is a net contributor in terms of revenue for the government. lincolnshire actually has the worst taxation to spending ratio in the entire country, some 50% less than scotland in terms of govt spending per person.

thompski
November 24th, 2008, 11:06 PM
Strange Thoughts would be a good name for a East Midlands Soap.

I was thinking how great it'd be if the next Grand Theft Auto game was set in the East Midlands? Start on Durbey Island, go to Laysesta and finish in Knottingum?

To be honest i'm not too fussed about a lack of East Midlands programming, but I wouldn't mind some decent programming to make me desire a television in the first place.

I'd rather pay £140 a year for high speed railway through Derby, a shopping centre not called Westfield, a Derby tram system and tall buildings :D

gothicform
November 25th, 2008, 07:26 AM
well rockstar have a studio in lincoln :)

Lears City
November 25th, 2008, 10:28 AM
Didn't everything turn out good for Cinderella in the end?

The_Curves_Man
November 28th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Could you imagine an East Midlands soap?
:nuts:
Strange Thoughts...

As a 'soapy drama' does Stephanie Beacham's appearance in the starring role of the 1985, Nottingham-set (I don't know if was actually SHOT in the city, though) series, 'Connie' count? I seem to recall that there were vague 'threats' to turn it into a fully-blown, regular soap, but it somehow never quite came to fruition. I never actually WATCHED it but I did think it was kind of neat (sorry for sounding terribly 'Mid-Atlantic' there!) to have a prime-time drama series set in the East Midlands - even if it was Nottingham!

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/looking-video-dvd-tv/3277-connie-stephanie-beacham.html

Gareth
November 28th, 2008, 12:24 PM
People get all teary eyed and nostalgic over places like Liverpool and Newcastle, etc. To me they are just towns that are inhabited with people that are obsessed with their identities and making sure everyone knows where they are from.

Yet it doesn't stop us being lumped into a Greater Greater Manchester region, for more things than just television.

Most of the BBC's 'regions' are merely regional news outposts. Only Manchester, Birmingham & Bristol were ever really charged with making anything important outside of London. When was the last time you heard of anything significant coming out of Plymouth-based BBC South West, for example?

Lears City
November 28th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Adrian Mole was set in Leicester

Mark76
November 28th, 2008, 01:05 PM
With West Midland accents :nuts:

Lears City
November 28th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Yes strangely. Very few can imitate the East Midlands accent correctly, for some reason?

d4mo85
November 28th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Do we actually have an accent? It seems to change with every person I meet from the EM..

Stefan88
November 28th, 2008, 04:30 PM
^^ According to my housemate who is from Darlington I have an accent. I don't think it's the tone of my voice just the way I say certain words I think.

Bingethink
November 28th, 2008, 04:50 PM
In Less-stah and Dar - beh, it's code artside en't it, duck.

Course you have an accent.

Lears City
November 28th, 2008, 05:37 PM
There are variations even in the Leicester accent. There are Lestah and Lester variants. I've heard many people from Nottingham use the Lestah sytle of speaking, but there is also an odd northern twang up there, amongst some.

Do you use words like jitty, mardy and cob in Nottingham/Derby?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/around_leicester/2002/11/leicester_dialect_collins_english_dictionary.shtml

Just remember we invented the English language here in Leicester, so learn to speak proper like innit...

Lears City
November 28th, 2008, 05:47 PM
If you're interested in all this - from wikipedia

Leicester dialect, along with that of Nottingham and Derby is a form of East Midlands English.

"Chisit" is the regional nickname and dialect for the people of Leicester. They are often referred to as Chisits because of how they speak and more commonly of how they pronounce the question 'how much is it'? sounding - in the Leicester dialect - like 'im a Chisit'. The nickname was given to the Leicester folk from the inhabitants of the Lincolnshire seaside town of Skegness which is a popular holiday destination for the people of Leicester.

In Leicester, words with short vowels such as up and last have a northern pronunciation (ie "up" not "ap" and "last" not "larst") whereas words with vowels such as down and road sound rather more like a south-eastern accent. The schwa sound at the end of a word followed by the letter R is pronounced as an open back rounded vowel, a feature paralleled in the German language. Words such as 'take' and 'make' are often pronounced the northern way 'tek' and 'mek' and words such as 'owt' and 'nowt' are pronounced in a southern way 'ote' and 'note'.

Leicester has a very distinctive dialect and can prove baffling for non-residents of Leicester. Fast talking and elipsed pronunciation combined with regional words can make understanding fairly difficult.Words ending in "ty" or "by" are pronounced "teh" and "beh" eg thirty is "thirteh" and Ratby is "ratbeh".

Other distinctive features are;

Mi' duck -"my dear" a term of endearment often following 'ay up' (Hello there). Jitty - Alleyway. Croggy - Ride on the back of a bicycle. Code - Cold. Ode - Old. Cob - Bread roll. Mardy - Grumpy or bad tempered. Safto - This afternoon. Oakie - Ice cream. Straigh-the-way - Straightaway (mispronunciation).

The dative case of inanimate nouns is also marked by removing "to the".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/eastmidlands/series7/dialect_voices.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Midlands_English

Bingethink
November 28th, 2008, 07:14 PM
There are variations even in the Leicester accent. There are Lestah and Lester variants. I've heard many people from Nottingham use the Lestah sytle of speaking, but there is also an odd northern twang up there, amongst some.

After twenty years in Nottingham, I'm getting pretty good at separating out Nottnum, Lesstah and Darbeh folk. They clearly share a lot in common, but there are certain differences, yes. Also, you don't have to go very far north out of Nottingham to hear a much more Northern variant.

Do you use words like jitty, mardy and cob in Nottingham/Derby?

Mardy and cob, yes. Don't know jitty.

d4mo85
November 28th, 2008, 08:53 PM
In Less-stah and Dar - beh, it's code artside en't it, duck.

Course you have an accent.

Don't be an idiot. You're saying that as if everyone in Leicestershire talks in such a way - i've some news for you, hearing that type of 'accent' these days is a rarity, and wasn't even that common back in the 'good old days'.

My point was, does the EM have an accent that is easily defined, and is widely 'used' today?

The_Curves_Man
November 29th, 2008, 05:46 PM
There are variations even in the Leicester accent. There are Lestah and Lester variants. I've heard many people from Nottingham use the Lestah sytle of speaking, but there is also an odd northern twang up there, amongst some.

Do you use words like jitty, mardy and cob in Nottingham/Derby?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/around_leicester/2002/11/leicester_dialect_collins_english_dictionary.shtml

Just remember we invented the English language here in Leicester, so learn to speak proper like innit...

There is quite a number of expressions with which I am quite familiar because although I actually reside in Belper (despite what my profile says!) both sides of my family are South Derbyshire in origin, so aren't a million miles away from Leicester. However, there is a system of 'twitchels' in my mother's birthplace of Melbourne, which would definitely be called 'jittys' here in Belper, so that dialect word must 'leap over' S. Derbys. on its way from Leicester. Mum still says the unit before the ten of minutes when telling the time, which is interesting for me since I am a student of German and that's the way the Germans put it (as in 'fünfundzwanzig', as opposed to 'zwanzig-fünf', of course).

I can tell you that I DEFINITELY have an accent (although it may be a sort of cross between S. and Central Derbyshire) after an experience I had in my teenage years when taking an evening stroll with Mum and Dad near some cliff-tops and we bumped into a couple from Hertfordshire (NOT too close to the edge, I hasten to add!) They first talked to Dad and then to me and were quite startled at how different our voices sounded. Originally they had us down for possibly Home Counties, but when they heard me they straight away thought 'East Midlands'. My Dad was a teacher and studied 'down south' for a while, whereas I have substantially spent my life around these parts (a couple of short-ish stays in Germany, but they don't count!) It must be something of a rarity for a following generation to have a more pronounced accent than the preceding.

Bingethink
November 29th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Don't be an idiot. You're saying that as if everyone in Leicestershire talks in such a way - i've some news for you, hearing that type of 'accent' these days is a rarity, and wasn't even that common back in the 'good old days'.

My point was, does the EM have an accent that is easily defined, and is widely 'used' today?

My point is, every area has an accent.

You don't have to talk like Su Pollard to have a Notts accent.

The_Curves_Man
November 29th, 2008, 06:41 PM
'The Hello Girls' and 'Thin Ice' (anybody remember them?) were television series both set in Derby, but the former was filmed either in Manchester or Liverpool (I've forgotten which and I cannot seem to locate anything on the Web to confirm that one way or the other) and the latter in Whitley Bay (of all places!).

'In Denial Of Murder' (two-part mini-series), being based on the real-life Stephen Downing/Wendy Sewell case, was set in both Bakewell and Matlock and as far as I could make out was OBVIOUSLY also shot there.

Gareth
December 1st, 2008, 07:23 AM
^^ I remember The Hello Girls. It was about a phone exhange back in the fifties or some time. It was probably made in Manchester by Granada. I can't see any reason it would be made in Liverpool. Thin Ice rings a bell but I can't really recall it.

Bingethink
December 1st, 2008, 11:34 AM
Shudders at memory of Letitia Dean attempting Derby accent.

Mark76
December 1st, 2008, 12:03 PM
Shudders at memory of Letitia Dean.

You could have just stopped there ;)

The_Curves_Man
December 1st, 2008, 05:24 PM
Interesting bit of Finnish in your signature, Gareth. I'll have to look that up in my Finnish phrase-book.

I don't think it would have been made by Granada, although admittedly Granada still produce 'University Challenge', despite it being transmitted on the Beeb. On balance you're probably right that it was Manchester, at any rate.

What sort of 'shudders' do you mean, Mark76? - nice ones or nasty ones?

Returning to matters Scandinavian, I watched 'Wallander' last night in open-mouthed awe. It's not very often one gets a British-made contemporary TV drama set in another European country. It's a throw-back to the early 1970s (just like the economy?) and the days of 'Van Der Valk', doing its bit for Dutch tourism from the UK. (I recall playing its legendary signature tune, The Simon Park Orchestra's 'Eye Level', in recorder lessons at school). It shows one just what effect setting a TV series in such and such a place can have. Now we all know where Ystad, Skåne province is.

Bingethink
December 1st, 2008, 05:39 PM
It's not very often one gets a British-made contemporary TV drama set in another European country.

Ballykissangel? Eldorado? Auf Wiedersehn, Pet?

Captain Redeye
December 2nd, 2008, 12:59 AM
Eldorado ?? :lol:





BG

Stefan88
December 2nd, 2008, 02:07 AM
Some of Bernards Watch was filmed in Nottingham. West Bridgford to be precise. Bernard visited the Exchange Watch Shop on Exchange Road near Melton Road. I don't no why I know this I just remember it from when I was a kid. :shifty:

Bingethink will no where Im talking about I think.

Bingethink
December 2nd, 2008, 11:55 AM
My friend's daughter was in Bernard's Watch:)!

The_Curves_Man
December 2nd, 2008, 01:00 PM
I take 'Ballykissangel', 'Eldorado' and 'Auf Wiedersehen, Pet' on board in that respect. Another one that has occurred to me is 'A Year In Provence', which I think got a critical mauling, in common with 'Eldorado'. However, I did watch something on the sorry story of 'Hell-dorado', as it became known as, indicating that it was actually beginning to take wing just as it was taken off air and that if they'd have given it a couple more months or so it could have become an established part of the schedule.

'Bernard's Watch' means precisely nothing to me, I'm afraid.

thompski
December 2nd, 2008, 05:25 PM
I think it was about a boy with a watch whom could stop time or something.

Stefan88
December 2nd, 2008, 05:45 PM
^ Yeh it was. Thinking about it it was a pretty poor programme. I've always wanted a watch that can do that though. Think of the fun you could have!

Bingethink
December 3rd, 2008, 10:32 AM
It was an odd little show. I think there were two series, and the first one was told in voiceovers so somebody (Liza Goddard?) read the story as you saw it being acted out. The second series was a more conventional drama series, and aimed at slightly older children (9s and 10s rather than 5,6,7s).

Bernard's Watch was one of quite a few CITV series made from Lenton Lane in the 90s with location filming in Notts, including Matt's Millions, Harry's Mad, Woof! etc etc .

Lears City
July 24th, 2009, 12:46 PM
So the East Midlands misses out on Midland Mainline electrification - but South Wales gets their upgrade. Yet again our region is neglected by central government...

Bingethink
July 24th, 2009, 01:03 PM
I don't think you can blame that on the BBC.

Lears City
July 24th, 2009, 01:06 PM
There were other things discussed in this thread about how the East Midlands misses out - but I still blame the BBC...

duane
July 24th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Stupid corrupt government! Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats. All thieves anyway.

Lears City
July 24th, 2009, 02:26 PM
To think the government junkies at the BBC take all our money - £150 per year from every household with a colour TV - and they can't even bring an electric line to the East Midlands. Bloody BBC.

Leicity82
July 24th, 2009, 09:53 PM
The line is electrified up till Bedford and could easily be continued.

pricemazda
July 24th, 2009, 10:17 PM
There are variations even in the Leicester accent. There are Lestah and Lester variants. I've heard many people from Nottingham use the Lestah sytle of speaking, but there is also an odd northern twang up there, amongst some.

Do you use words like jitty, mardy and cob in Nottingham/Derby?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/around_leicester/2002/11/leicester_dialect_collins_english_dictionary.shtml

Just remember we invented the English language here in Leicester, so learn to speak proper like innit...

Mardy is an East Midlands institution - all the way up to Lincoln and indeed with cobs but never heard of jitty

Stefan88
July 25th, 2009, 01:25 AM
Jitty is sometimes used as another name for an alleyway or passage isn't it?

MattN
July 25th, 2009, 01:27 AM
I've only ever heard twitchell for that round here.

Stefan88
July 25th, 2009, 01:36 AM
Yeah I've heard that one commonly used too. Mardy is definately a midlands thing. I told someone at uni to stop being such a mardy arse and they din't have a clue what I was on about.

d4mo85
July 25th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Yup, Jitty is slang for alleyway. I think it's a Leicestershire thing, as my girlfriend had no idea what I was on about - she's from Notts.

Bingethink
July 25th, 2009, 12:26 PM
Were you planning on taking her up the jitty?

Lears City
July 25th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Might be the only option if it is the "mardy" time of the month...

d4mo85
July 26th, 2009, 12:41 AM
Haha.. steady boys, steady ;)

pricemazda
July 26th, 2009, 12:46 AM
and what's wrong with taking up the jitty?

djfusion777
July 26th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Jitty is used in Sutton-in-Ashfield.

moseeds
July 26th, 2009, 08:46 PM
and what's wrong with taking up the jitty?

She might get a bit mardy init.

Owlyross
July 29th, 2009, 10:47 AM
There was no mention last night on East Midlands Today of Leicester hosting pool games in the 2015 Rugby World Cup. But coverage of Leicester City's potential signing of Leroy Lita. Priorities???

pricemazda
July 29th, 2009, 11:21 AM
I guess more people care about football than Rugby Union

Lears City
July 29th, 2009, 11:23 AM
But would they have mentioned the rugby, if Nottingham was to be a host city for the World Cup? That is the crucial question...

Owlyross
July 29th, 2009, 02:25 PM
But it's the third largest sporting competition in the world? How on earth does that rank behind Gary Lineker visiting the Special Olympics. The 2003 World Cup had cumulative viewing figures of 2.3 billion. Maybe not as much as the football world cup, but come on? It's the feckin world cup!!!

Lears City
July 29th, 2009, 03:01 PM
I agree with you. Like I said if the third largest sporting competition in the world was coming to Nottingham, then it would get a mention. Because it is coming to Leicester, they choose to ignore it.

Mark76
July 29th, 2009, 03:48 PM
You know, I wonder if this feeling, justified or not, that Leicester tends to get ignored (especially when it comes to good news/human achievement stories) is a throwback to the old Midlands Today days when they had to cover the entire Midlands region in a half hour bulletin and not just half of it.

Bingethink
July 29th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Before you ratchet up this persecution complex any further, can I just point out that - once again - when you investigate the Leicester posse's knee-jerk insistence that you are "ignored" by East Midlands Today that Owlyross' claim about last night's programme IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

Go here (p://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/england/realmedia/eastmidlandstoday/eastmidlandstoday?size=16x9&bgc=C0C0C0&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1) before 6:30 tonight and you can see last nights' programme in full. At 08'53", you will see the report of Welford Road being confirmed as a stadium for the Rugby World Cup.

BeestonLad
July 29th, 2009, 05:31 PM
^^ Exactly, I saw it live so was wondering what owlyross was on about :dunno:

d4mo85
July 29th, 2009, 05:32 PM
So Leicester and the World Cup get less than 30 seconds coverage, while the pathetic news story about Nottingham Rugby Club gets a full feature? Come on, it's bollocks.

BeestonLad
July 29th, 2009, 05:37 PM
How is it pathetic they would probably have to fold if they couldnt play at Notts County anymore. Where as everyone already knew Leicester was in the world cup bid - a bid which has been 99% guaranteed for some weeks now, not really new news despite the "official" anouncement

Bingethink
July 29th, 2009, 05:49 PM
So Leicester and the World Cup get less than 30 seconds coverage, while the pathetic news story about Nottingham Rugby Club gets a full feature? Come on, it's bollocks.

The Notts Co versus Nottingham Rugby is a harder news story than the World Cup announcement. As Beeston says, the World Cup thing was more of a confirmation, whereas the other story was a genuine dispute in court and has an interesting subtext (Notts being bullies once they come into a bit of cash).

But all that is arguable. What's not arguable is that they did cover it, which was what you were all lining up to moan about.

d4mo85
July 29th, 2009, 05:52 PM
Nottingham Rugby Club is laughable. Sorry.

I'm not moaning by the way, just saying it how it is!

Owlyross
July 29th, 2009, 06:03 PM
I missed the start. I take it back. I only saw the sports report, where there was no mention. But... There's no argument that there's no mention in the Leicester Mercury, only a quote from Peter Wheeler about how great it is. Front page of Leicester Mercury, no mention, you click World Cup Bid and it goes to the well-meaning, but frankly ludicrous idea that Leicester will be able to host World Cup games for the football world cup. I'd love it to happen, but there are far better stadiums, with better transport links, and more local support available.

Bingethink
July 29th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Yeah, well the Leicester Mercury is obviously biassed against... erm... no, hang, that can't be right...

Maybe the confirmation of Leicester's participation in the World Cup is not such a huge news story after all??

Lears City
July 29th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Hopefully Nottingham Rugby Club won't have to fold? There must be a sports facility somewhere in Nottingham that they can use?

Mark76
July 29th, 2009, 06:39 PM
They could try approaching Mansfield Town about ground sharing Field Mill.

BeestonLad
July 29th, 2009, 07:56 PM
They could do but I doubt many of their already small fanbase will travel up there, and I can't imagine much of Mansfield turning out either. IIRC the new Forest stadium if its ever built, will be accompanied by a smaller circa 10k stadium which would be ideal for Nottingham RFC. Also didnt NRFC used to be a feeder club for the Tigers at one point?

WOTZDA POINT
July 29th, 2009, 08:06 PM
Yeah, well the Leicester Mercury is obviously biassed against... erm... no, hang, that can't be right...

Maybe the confirmation of Leicester's participation in the World Cup is not such a huge news story after all??

We are back to this friction again !

Do people outside of Notts, Leices, Derby, want to know the others news ?

Each city and county has it's own newspaper.

Each city and county has it's own radio station.

But all three cities and counties have to share the media that is TV.

What do we want news for ? Information to help enrich our lives and run more smoothly or has it become like a drug, some morbid form of entertainment.

Does sharing a media encourage damaging comparisons and rivalries to be made?

Should we have East Midland papers and radio?

Should we have local TV ?

Is it good to see what the neighbours are doing or should we just stick to our own ?

Are we all the same anyway but just wave a different coloured flag and think we are different ?

Just a few retorical questions to stimulate debate !

Lears City
July 30th, 2009, 09:17 AM
They could do but I doubt many of their already small fanbase will travel up there, and I can't imagine much of Mansfield turning out either. IIRC the new Forest stadium if its ever built, will be accompanied by a smaller circa 10k stadium which would be ideal for Nottingham RFC. Also didnt NRFC used to be a feeder club for the Tigers at one point?

There a strong links between Tigers and Nottingham, that go back years.

Owlyross
July 30th, 2009, 10:17 AM
Yeah, well the Leicester Mercury is obviously biassed against... erm... no, hang, that can't be right...

Maybe the confirmation of Leicester's participation in the World Cup is not such a huge news story after all??

No, not in the slightest. It's a huge news story with far-reaching implications for the financial health of the city, not to mention being able to welcome five of the top national rugby squads in the world. Anyone who considers it a non-story needs their head checking. Not a great deal of people outside of rugby were aware of Leicester being part of the WC bid, an announcement of that scale should be front page news. Rugby isn't some little provincial amateur sport any more, it's one of the top sports in the world (obviously it doesn't have the reach of football yet, and possibly won't ever) and the 2019 WC in Japan will do a great deal to allow it to grow and reach new markets. It could be a massive source of pride for the city and a big up yours to those mardy arses who continually moan that Leicester's overlooked in favour of other local cities (I'm not one of those, I just want the media to have a sense of perspective).

Owlyross
July 30th, 2009, 10:19 AM
And fair play to East Mids Today, a big feature on the Tigers last night, including shots of the new seats going into the new stand!

Bingethink
July 30th, 2009, 12:20 PM
No, not in the slightest. It's a huge news story with far-reaching implications for the financial health of the city, not to mention being able to welcome five of the top national rugby squads in the world. Anyone who considers it a non-story needs their head checking.

Leicester hosting some games in the Rugby World Cup is a significant local news story.

The official confirmation of this is less so, when Ruts posted the following story from the Times on another thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=39041610&postcount=281) on June 30th:

England, so reluctant for many weeks to take the decision to bid for the 2015 World Cup, now seem virtually certain to host the tournament. Rugby World Cup Ltd (RWCL), the organising body, confirmed today their recommendation that England are hosts in six years' time and Japan become the first developing union to host the World Cup in 2019.

That recommendation must be rubber-stamped by a special meeting of the International Rugby Board council on July 28 but they will scarcely go against the analysis of their own organisers.

Owlyross
July 30th, 2009, 01:22 PM
The touted use of leicester for a bid that's not won is a small story, the confirmation that Leicester will host games for the 2015 world cup, a story that most people outside of rugby fandom and these pages would be unaware of, should be front pager news.

Ruts
July 30th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Leicester hosting some games in the Rugby World Cup is a significant local news story.

The official confirmation of this is less so, when Ruts posted the following story from the Times on another thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=39041610&postcount=281) on June 30th:


Hey, don't be dragging me into this :lol:

Anyways, if anyone cares, East Midlands Today team are in Leicester today on Humberstone Gate. Go and say hello, and gives some the chance to tell them what they think of them?!!!

(For what it's worth, I think this whole 'Leicester is a forgotten city, there's a clear bias in Nottingham's favour' is completely perceived. I think that people can see what they want to see, and can convince themselves of anything if it suits their argument!)

duane
July 30th, 2009, 07:52 PM
I seen the East Midlands people there today. I looked in and seen a huge sign saying BBC Nottingham. Anyone else see that?

Bingethink
July 30th, 2009, 08:53 PM
When I read that last post, I read it in the voice of the bloke from the Fast Show who says "This week, I have mostly been eating..."

"I seen"??

majabl
July 30th, 2009, 10:07 PM
But would they have mentioned the rugby, if Nottingham was to be a host city for the World Cup? That is the crucial question...

At least Leicester's actually included in the East Mids TV region, unlike us down here in Northants!

WOTZDA POINT
July 31st, 2009, 12:38 AM
At least Leicester's actually included in the East Mids TV region, unlike us down here in Northants!

I think with todays technology that it should be possible to have a dedicated TV slot or even a seperate channel for any town or city in the country.

EMT is outdated

Mark76
July 31st, 2009, 12:47 AM
It should be. But would you honestly want it?

Leicester had its own cable channel in the 90s, you know.

WOTZDA POINT
July 31st, 2009, 12:57 AM
It should be. But would you honestly want it?

Leicester had its own cable channel in the 90s, you know.

Never saw it but it would stop all the bickering. I suppose it depends on the quality though.

I can remember MATV but that was a bit amatueurish.

Mark76
July 31st, 2009, 08:30 AM
MATV is still going.

Leicester Cable TV (I think that's what it was called) made MATV look polished :tongue2:

Lears City
July 31st, 2009, 11:49 AM
At least Leicester's actually included in the East Mids TV region, unlike us down here in Northants!

You would get more coverage if the East Midlands TV centre was based in its rightful place - Leicester. We are more central geographically in the region.

WOTZDA POINT
July 31st, 2009, 11:56 AM
I don't think we need a central location. The existing bbc radio studios could be used and the content of the shows could easilly be condensed into an half hour tv programme. Instead of just a radio microphone why not carry a camcorder. Not only would Leicester have it's own tv news but so could Derby, Northampton, Coventry etc.