Lourenco Marques


This video film in colour was shot in 1970 showing the magnificient and awe-inspiring beauty of Lourenco Marques (today this city is called Maputo)

Please take your time to watch it, it is an absolute MUST!

Maputo was a very inviting, orderly and very modern metropolis in those days.

Maputo once attracted many tourists from far a way like Brazil, Europe and Australia and everybody will know why after watching the video.

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There was always 2 Maputos though. One for the Portuguese and Asians, and the other for the indigenous population- who werent allowed to own houses in the "European" zone or even own businesses. Very sad indeed. My good friend is descended from Mozambique-Indians so has a few stories to tell. I think blacks in Moazmbique had one of the lowest literacy rates in the world at independence.

looks like a nice relaxed place... the costa do sol video is good too

It was beautiful :yes: :drool: nowadays ... :ohno:

popa i have also mozambique-Indian friends :yes:

Popa1980, Portuguese rulers never practiced apartheid. Do you see any mixed people in SA or Zimbabwe today? Go and walk through the streets of Angola or Mozambique. In SA you ended up in jail for making love to indigeous people. My uncle visited South Africa three years back and he said nothing has changed: here are the Blacks and there are the Whites. Only formally apartheid has been abolished.


Anyway, does anyone have any economic facts concerning pre-war Maputo/Mozambique?

Angola´s economy shrank by - 8% on average throughtout the 1980´s, this was even worse than what Zimbabwe is going through at the moment.

Well, this is Africa, the only thing we seem to excell in is destruction.

Angola and Mozambique had a good base to embark upon at time of independence. Angola had good cities, good infrastructure, and a vibrant agriculture sector. It has all been destroyed.

How can it be that so many countries where self-sufficient at time of independence but today are importing food from Asia or have people starving!?

Sometimes I wished that Europeans would have stayed longer, some kind of Hong Kong or Macau, a colony with more autonomy until full political and administrative independence would have been granted. My grandfather lived in Cameroon during colonial era. He has a job in the civil service and got his salry and benifits EVERY MONTH! He still speaks about the old times in a suprisngly positive way. Look what Paul Biya made to our beautiful country! Really independence meant a lot of trouble for Africa. It came too early.

Hopefully, Angola will rebuild their cities, as I can see what has been posted here, it looks good but in Africa you never know. Things can change overnight.

Croissant, there are MANY mixed people in the USA, Carribean and Latin America too. Ask yourself how these "mullatoes" come about- through formal marriage- or through horny oversexed men having black mistresses or raping indigenous women?

In portuguese colonies it was more subtle segragation. Something like one quarter of Maputo was reserved for the white/Indian minority- this had the best infrastructure, schooling was compulsory- literacy rates of 90%+. Blacks were restricted in buying houses there. Blacks were NOT allowed to run their own formal businesses in Mozambique- they were to act soley as consumers. Did you know that?

Look at old pictures of these cities- in bars, restaurants, department stores etc- 90%+ of the people are white- the blacks lived in a different Maputo.

Angola and Mozambique had a "good base" to embark on? Are you kidding? Unlike in my own Ghana, there were VERY few educated indigenous people and civil service was in the hands of the whites. It was a doomed start! Plus these nations were destabilised by the United States and South Africa.

Croissant, there are MANY mixed people in the USA, Carribean and Latin America too. Ask yourself how these "mullatoes" come about- through formal marriage- or through horny oversexed men having black mistresses or raping indigenous women?

What do you want to say with that? that white man raped black women? Come on.

In my home country Cameroon, there are many formal mixed couples no sex hungry white me looking for Cameroon girls.

I myself married a white girl, not because she is white but because I love her.


In portuguese colonies it was more subtle segragation. Something like one quarter of Maputo was reserved for the white/Indian minority- this had the best infrastructure, schooling was compulsory- literacy rates of 90%+. Blacks were restricted in buying houses there. Blacks were NOT allowed to run their own formal businesses in Mozambique- they were to act soley as consumers. Did you know that?

Then I want to see the other side of Maputo. Belgians also had a certain form of segregation but at least they build solid housing for urban civil black servants. something which was not done after independebce.

Run throusgh theis video and others , you will see a lot of black people, they don´t look suppressed as opposed to today.



Look at old pictures of these cities- in bars, restaurants, department stores etc- 90%+ of the people are white- the blacks lived in a different Maputo.

I want to see this.

Only seeing is believing. Slums have grown today a lot in Mozambique and Angola.


Angola and Mozambique had a "good base" to embark on? Are you kidding? Unlike in my own Ghana, there were VERY few educated indigenous people and civil service was in the hands of the whites. It was a doomed start! Plus these nations were destabilised by the United States and South Africa.

Yes, USA and South africa destroyed Mozambique and Angola, if the Whites hadn´t all left it would have ben better for the two countries. Black people would have profitted after independence more and more. I am sure that many whites didn´t want to leave after independence, they were forced out by war.

Look at cities like Beira or Maputo today, even former "european" areas look run down and third worldish now.

Maputo is a mess, same for Luanda today. Run down, dirty and ill-maintained.

it is all samora'a machel's fault, he RUINED the beauty of Lourenco marques, .....but the government has already started cleaning the city up and the there is actually some changes going on. Barragon it is still beautiful just that some parts have been ignored,....gonna post some more beautiful pictures as to how Maputo is changing back to be beautiful. They are doing it 1 step at a time, but my eyes have seen the changes ging on to the city, some parts need to be cleaned though..

i shall add more pics when i have the time to,

Croissant, the reason that mixed race people exist in the Americas, just as in Angola/Moazambique, is that the early white "pioneers", many half-educated and hard-drinkinng, had no white women, so would sleep with as many locals as they could get their hands on. Many of these women were raped too. Did you think some respectable Portuguese immigrant was marrying local women? !

Yes, look at all those old photos of Maputos/Luandas bars, department stores, upmarket shopping streets, cafes etc- massively disproportionaly white. Look at that video you posted- you wouldnt believe you were in a city which was mostly black would you?

Why were blacks restricted in buying housing in white areas? Why were blacks in Mozambique not allowed to own their own businesses?

it is all samora'a machel's fault, he RUINED the beauty of Lourenco marques, .....but the government has already started cleaning the city up and the there is actually some changes going on. Barragon it is still beautiful just that some parts have been ignored,....gonna post some more beautiful pictures as to how Maputo is changing back to be beautiful. They are doing it 1 step at a time, but my eyes have seen the changes ging on to the city, some parts need to be cleaned though..

i shall add more pics when i have the time to,

Looking forward to your photos.

Croissant, the reason that mixed race people exist in the Americas, just as in Angola/Moazambique, is that the early white "pioneers", many half-educated and hard-drinkinng, had no white women, so would sleep with as many locals as they could get their hands on. Many of these women were raped too. Did you think some respectable Portuguese immigrant was marrying local women? !

Yes, look at all those old photos of Maputos/Luandas bars, department stores, upmarket shopping streets, cafes etc- massively disproportionaly white. Look at that video you posted- you wouldnt believe you were in a city which was mostly black would you?

Why were blacks restricted in buying housing in white areas? Why were blacks in Mozambique not allowed to own their own businesses?

please who me the slum pictures of Maputo and Luanda, do you want us to tell that only white people lived in Lourenco Marques, in the videos there are also balck people. Mozambique also had a black mayor, in Nampula, when it was still a colony. You know that?

Most of the whites in Angola were not poor, it is a myth. Many guys were architects, engineers etc. There were collegs and schools etc. You cannot build cities and countries with Portuguese drunkards and brainless people as you put it.

Need to do more research, Popa1980!

Moreover, read the article about Belgian Congo in the African section, it has many racial undertones which I don´t like but it shows that Congo was lightyears ahead of what it is nowadays. Same goes for Cameroon. It is an absolute shame of a country.

Why do you think that South africa and Namibia stand out in Africa?

I hate to say it but it is becuase of heavy white presence.

The only city that was racist in the bars, restaurants etc was Nampula. The only city. In the rest of Moz the racism was rare.

A Moz Indian friend told me that.

Croissant, the reason that mixed race people exist in the Americas, just as in Angola/Moazambique, is that the early white "pioneers", many half-educated and hard-drinkinng, had no white women, so would sleep with as many locals as they could get their hands on. Many of these women were raped too. Did you think some respectable Portuguese immigrant was marrying local women? !

Yes, look at all those old photos of Maputos/Luandas bars, department stores, upmarket shopping streets, cafes etc- massively disproportionaly white. Look at that video you posted- you wouldnt believe you were in a city which was mostly black would you?

Why were blacks restricted in buying housing in white areas? Why were blacks in Mozambique not allowed to own their own businesses?



Look here stop being stupid...there where white MEN AND WOMEN of Portuguese decents living in angola and mocambique...the reason most of them left was because of the handing over of their power to the blacks and it brought about violence, hence, many of the whites mocambicanos and angolans, emigrated back to Portugal......You sound stupid

Read what I wrote CAREFULLY. When did the white women start arriving in Portuguese Africa? Were they among the early pioneering settlers? I dont think so!! The vast majority of Portuguese before the second world war were men. Starved of white women, they would indulge in promiscuous activity with the "natives". Hence the mullatoes. The same happened in Brazil.

Here is your "non-racist" Mozambique under Portuguese rule

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In 1956 out of a total population of 6.000.000 (census figures, although this figure was probably much higher) only 284,000 (including whites) received education. In 1954 there were 183,092 pupils in rudimentary schools, being reserved almost exclusively for Africans. Of these only 3,595 took the final examination (after three years) and of them 2,774 passed. In 1955 there were 212,428 pupils in Catholic rudimentary schools; of these only 2,761 passed to continue their education in the primary schools. In 1954 there were 120 Africans in commercial, industrial and secondary schools in the whole of Mozambique. In the elite Liceu - the preparatory school for university level - there were 5 Africans and 800 (eight hundred) white students; no African has ever completed the whole Liceu course. There is no university in Portuguese Africa. All higher education has to be acquired in Portugal or in other countries. The outcome is that less than 1% of the Africans are officially reckoned to be literate (1950 census). This is an important factor in explaining why political organization and revolutionary work are of such a low level in Mozambique (see later).

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Social Practice
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Any observer can attest the most flagrant and classic type of discrimination in Mozambique. Hospitals have black and white wards; restaurants have notices stating: „Admission Reserved“; the hotels employ an all-white staff; in buses and trains, in parks and gardens, all over there is strict discrimination. A bus-ride in Lourenco Marques costs the quarter of an African daily wage. Pricelevels seal Africans off from white commercial, social and entertainment centres. Specially designed rents impose separate white and African townships. In Lourenco Marques, just like in Cape Town or Johannesburg, there is a permanent curfew for Africans after nine o’clock in the evening. The African is forced to carry a pass - a „cadernato“ - in order that he can be controlled and efficiently enslaved. One sees the whole Apartheid and Baasskap policy of the Herrenvolk of South Africa here at work."

And I repeat, blacks were prevented from buying houses in the white/Indian areas of town and were NOT ALLOWED to own businesses (apart from the most basic small business of course). Even without the war I expect that these countries would have collapsed due to the very low education of the black population- you would have to look at Congo to find another country with such a poorly educated African population prior to independence. In Ghana, the British did not mix, but at least they educated us....maybe thats why we avoided war....

Undeniable evidence. Point proven. Check out this link and then come back and tell me that the Portuguese were not racist. Btw, its obvious that Croissant is some dissafected white South African, maybe living in Australia (there was such a person some time ago who was banned for the same type of postings). I dont believe for one minute that he is a black African. Do you?

http://www.jlhs.nhusd.k12.ca.us/Classes/Social_Science/Mozambique/Ferrao.html

popa1980, you are beyond words!

Your imagination runs wild! Calm down and take a shower or maybe you just need some holiday.

I am as black as you are. 100% pure Black blood runs through my veins. How many times do I have to repeate on this forum that I am a Cameroonian but a critical one. Look how I criticized my own country.

And stop posting lies about countries that you know little about.

Look at angamonc he is from Angola or Mozambique (I assume). He should know those countries better than a Ghanaian.

I don´t write about Botswana because I don´t know a lot about it. What you are doing here is copying silly links from google, don´t you think that we Africans can´t use google ourselves?

Anyway, sad to find out that Popa1980 destroyed this thread that showed a rare piece of old beautiful Maputo which was destroyed by a war and Samora'a Machel.

I told you to show us the slum pictures but you cannot provide visual evidence. So your arguments fail to convice us and do not hold.

As for the former Belgian Congo, cast a look at the Time magazine article (it was written by a non-colonizing power, the USA..a country that helped many african nations to become independent and put pressure on Europeans to relinquish power in an over-hastedn way as we all see the results now). The article shows the Congo when it was a colony , look what it developped into after independence.

here is the link: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22441250#post22441250

The article depicts the Congo (beware: a lot of racial undertone which I hate to read but it shows that Congo had structure and comparatively loads of industry and agriculture and many roads and some areas higher living standars among black people than is was the case for Italy many black shopowners etc.) when it was an official colony and not when it was possed by Leopold.

We Africans destroyed all what we inherited while other conce colonized nations build upon it like it is the case in South America or Asia.

Facing up to relaity doens´t make me a white guy, my brother.

So calm down, you are grown up man so behave like this you needn´t proof it to the other forumers by gesticulating wildly like a small boy that lost his pants.

What do you want to say with that? that white man raped black women? Come on.

In my home country Cameroon, there are many formal mixed couples no sex hungry white me looking for Cameroon girls.



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How many different user-names and nationalities do you intend to use to troll these sections?

kboy, first of all you have to introduce yourself!

I said that I was watching SSC for the past couple of months but decided to sign up because I could no longer stand the lies about Africa that people show here. All these projects that I have seen and people on the pictures. These are fake pictures that do not show true Africa where most people are living terrible lives.Where is the true Africa? This has nothing to do with trolling but with awareness!


If Africa is such a great continent of boundless opportunity, so what are we doing - I think that the majority of forumers are not living in Africa , correct me if you know more - abroad?

In order to change things in Africa we need to be self-critical, but we are not. So how can we change anything?

Can I ask you where you come from?