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Probably Atlético Madrid's future stadium: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8U8p52he-Fs

80.000 maybe?

Probably Atlético Madrid's future stadium: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8U8p52he-Fs

80.000 maybe?

there's an agreement between the city council and the team so they will move to the new stadium in 3 years (2010).Vicente Calderón stadium will be demolished

announced capacity:73.000

here's a video of the development

http://www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/es/atleticoaldia/noticias.asp?id=19902

there's an agreement between the city council and the team so they will move to the new stadium in 3 years (2010).Vicente Calderón stadium will be demolished

announced capacity:73.000

here's a video of the development

http://www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/es/atleticoaldia/noticias.asp?id=19902

Nice stadium. At first I was shocked to see the athletic tracks, but they can be removed for a football game :)
Do you know when the construction works for the expansion will start?
And where is it located?

^^it's located east of the city.it's very near the last metro station of line7, ''Las Musas''.

don't know when the works begins, but the city council have said it should be finished in 3 or 4 years

73,000 should be the Athletic capacity, because as i know this was also the proposed Madird Olympic stadium

Can someone explain to me why Atletico Madrid need a 73k capacity stadium? Arsenal, a considerably more popular team in a city (London) 3-4 times bigger than Madrid build a 60k venue.

Can someone explain to me why Atletico Madrid need a 73k capacity stadium? Arsenal, a considerably more popular team in a city (London) 3-4 times bigger than Madrid build a 60k venue.

In Spain they don't build stadiums that sell out each weak. Espanyol is building a 40k stadium and they average about 20'000. Mallorca and Levante also have plans for 40k stadiums and they are even below 20k atm. Why they are building that big stadiums I don't know, they are probably speculating for a more successful future.
I think 73k is definately too big for Atletico, but you should not underestimate them, they have nearly 45'000 season ticket holders atm.

with a modern stadium the average will rise to 50.000-55.000 IMO

Can someone explain to me why Atletico Madrid need a 73k capacity stadium? Arsenal, a considerably more popular team in a city (London) 3-4 times bigger than Madrid build a 60k venue.

But Arsenal isnt the only team in London.
There are so many clubs in London, on the other hand Madrid only has two big ones.
Also the construction costs in Spain are far cheaper than in Britain.

73,000 should be the Athletic capacity, because as i know this was also the proposed Madird Olympic stadium

I wouldn't be so sure. When I got infos from the Madrid committee for 2012 they gave me the athletic capacity of 66k. So I think 73k is afterwards.

Will the stadium have athletic tracks until 2016 and get rid of them afterwards or can they always change between the two version like Wembley, Stade de France etc?

I tried to find something on this but it looks not reversible. A question is where will Atletico play during the remodeling process as Vicente Calderón is supposed to be demolished.

I wouldn't be so sure. When I got infos from the Madrid committee for 2012 they gave me the athletic capacity of 66k. So I think 73k is afterwards.
Thanks
I thought that the Olympic stadium has to be +80.000, but Atens was even smaller.

Will the stadium have athletic tracks until 2016 and get rid of them afterwards or can they always change between the two version like Wembley, Stade de France etc?

the stadium won't have tracks.if you watch the video you can see there will be a tier.that tier can be changed for athletic tracks

I tried to find something on this but it looks not reversible. A question is where will Atletico play during the remodeling process as Vicente Calderón is supposed to be demolished.

Vicente Calderón won't be demolished until the team moves to the new stadium

here's a bigger video of the stadium

miTAtAPPg8g&eurl

Vicente Calderón won't be demolished until the team moves to the new stadium

Yep, you're right. But from what I've read they want to move already in 2012. And the remodeling to a football-specific stadium is to take part after 2016 Olympics. So... the question comes back again.

maybe they will use the propsed wembley system (platform)

16.10.2007
is it alread u/c?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/1587179144_20571e9c3f_b.jpg

^^I have seen some construction cranes around the Estadio de la Comunidad, so yes the stadium is under construction.

Are you a Chinese living in Madrid? How can you know that?

Can someone explain to me why Atletico Madrid need a 73k capacity stadium? Arsenal, a considerably more popular team in a city (London) 3-4 times bigger than Madrid build a 60k venue.

Atletico sells out all it´s ´subscriptions´ every year. So I expact they expact they can sell more in a bigger stadium.
Still think it´s a shame though. The Vicente Calderon for me is a special stadium.

I don't think that's the actual stadium u/c in the pic, but a building in front of it.

The way I understood it is that it will have a cap. of 73.000 as a olympic stadium with athletic tracks, which must be the minimum of what a olympic stadium can have.
After a possible olympic in 2016, the can remove the tracks and expand the capacity. I don't know how much but it looks really huge maybe 85.000. Does anyone know?
But there is still a lot of years to come to that. And what if the don't get it for 2016 will the wait another 4 years or will they change it to a footballstadium... No one knows! I guess.

The answer to the question why Atletico Madrid wants to move to such a big stadium must be that the can rent it cheap from however owns it, instead of building a new one. And that the one that owns it, can get some money out of it, since it not being used for much as far as I know. So to me it a win-win situation for both.

At least it being finished instead for only a 1/3 of the planned stadium.

66,000 Atletic
73,000 Football

I don't think that's the actual stadium u/c in the pic, but a building in front of it.Right.

Fresh news should appear about this project in the following weeks, since Atletico and Madrid City Council are close to sign the final deal about the stadium.

Not long ago the City Council stated they were changing the project to make the stadium more modern and spectacular, so it won't be the final design for sure.

spectacular sounds very good
Maybe 80k?

66,000 Atletic
73,000 Football

66 000 cannot be enough to make a serious Olympic bid mop.

No.
66.000 isn't enough.

75.000 must be there a least. 80.000 would be better.

List
2012 London - 80.000
2008 Beijing - 91.000
2004 Athen - 71.000
2000 Sidney -110.000
1996 Atlanta - 85.000

Basicly 66.000 not enough

I wouldn't be so sure. When I got infos from the Madrid committee for 2012 they gave me the athletic capacity of 66k. So I think 73k is afterwards.

^^

spectacular sounds very good
Maybe 80k?

don't think so.The mayor of the city only talked about changing the exterior design but who knows...

nice stadium when is construction planned to start?
and when is the new project going to be announced?

Even God doesn't know

nice stadium when is construction planned to start?
and when is the new project going to be announced?

Sorry, but how do you mean?

Sorry, but how do you mean?

I read this so I was wondering when the changes in the project we're going to be announced. Also what capacity is the stadium going to be Atletico seem to be very ambitious and I can see them wanting and requiring a 70,000 + stadium.

Right.

Fresh news should appear about this project in the following weeks, since Atletico and Madrid City Council are close to sign the final deal about the stadium.

Not long ago the City Council stated they were changing the project to make the stadium more modern and spectacular, so it won't be the final design for sure.

Even God doesn't know

You mean that Ruiz-Gallardon doesn't know ?

I read this so I was wondering when the changes in the project we're going to be announced. Also what capacity is the stadium going to be Atletico seem to be very ambitious and I can see them wanting and requiring a 70,000 + stadium.

Thanks for making that clear. I realy thought I might have misunderstood you. Stupid, because ofcourse I didn´t ...(;)

Here is your answer I think. The agreement is allready there. I have seen it myself on Spanish televsion. 2010 it will be finished.

there's an agreement between the city council and the team so they will move to the new stadium in 3 years (2010).Vicente Calderón stadium will be demolished

announced capacity:73.000

here's a video of the development

http://www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/es/atleticoaldia/noticias.asp?id=19902

Thanks for making that clear. I realy thought I might have misunderstood you. Stupid, because ofcourse I didn´t ...(;)

Here is your answer I think. The agreement is allready there. I have seen it myself on Spanish televsion. 2010 it will be finished.

Will the stadium have athletics tracks when it's completed in 2010?

I´ll check that for you. Good question.

the final agreement has been made some weeks ago and due to this delay, Atlético will probably move to the new stadium in season 2011-2012 and not 2010-2011 as was initially planned


the stadium won't have athletic tracks for football matches

Some newspapers say the new design of the stadium will be unveiled in august,but that's not sure

Estadio Olímpico won't have athletics tracks????????????????????????????????? Madrid is now shortlisted for 2016 Olympics along with other 3 candidates. What will happen to Madrid bid for 2016 Olympics if the main venue doesn't have athletics tracks? That makes no sense

Surely by dropping the pitch the capacity will increase. So as an atheltic's stadium the capacity would be less than 73,000 (if this is the final capacity).

Estadio Olímpico won't have athletics tracks????????????????????????????????? Madrid is now shortlisted for 2016 Olympics along with other 3 candidates. What will happen to Madrid bid for 2016 Olympics if the main venue doesn't have athletics tracks? That makes no sense

He did say "for football matchs" which could mean some Stade De France style movable stands or a Wembley/Valencia style rased pitch for athletics.

Surely by dropping the pitch the capacity will increase. So as an atheltic's stadium the capacity would be less than 73,000 (if this is the final capacity).

exactly. initially the stadium will be done without athletic tracks. if Madrid is given the olympics they will make the athletic tracks in an easy works and when the olympics ends they will remove the athletic tracks


announced capacity for the Olympics:66.000
announced capacity for any other use:73.000

I’m just wondering how many details are known at the moment in time about this project. Such as how many exec suites it is going to have roughly? What is colour of the seats going to be because I really hope it isn't the bland grey that was shown in the video?

Until the season 2011-12 Atlético won't change the stadium

According to the responsible bodies they will begin to work on the stadium in May 2009.

If Madrid will host the Olympics, Atlético will have to invest 20 millions for a career, who would be installes until the season 2016-17. 300 millions will the new stadium cost.

http://forum.atleticomadrid.de/showthread.php?tid=211&page=17

stadium is called "La Peineta".

It sucks that the Madrid Olympic Stadium will not have an athletics track surrounding the field. Perhaps for football games they should cover the track with green. We can't drop the pitch or increase the capacity in this stadium.

It sucks that the Madrid Olympic Stadium will not have an athletics track surrounding the field. Perhaps for football games they should cover the track with green. We can't drop the pitch or increase the capacity in this stadium.
Covering it with grass or even caviar wouldn't make it better for football unfortunatelly. It's essential to think about stadium's legacy in advance, so I think Madrid is acting very sensible.

Some news:
Work will start in 6 month and will be finished in about 3 years.
Atletico will pay a maximum of 195m € (without taxes).
Capacity for football without athletic tracks will be 73.729.

Source (http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/web/gen/20081212/noticia_53598086989.html)

So the stadium won't have the flexible stands anymore that cover the Olympic Track?
So if the athletics track isn't going to be built then the stands will be right next to the pitch or further but simply the track won't be build and just some space left alone?

BTW do we really have just this video?
No pics or plans?

No.
66.000 isn't enough.

75.000 must be there a least. 80.000 would be better.

List
2012 London - 80.000
2008 Beijing - 91.000
2004 Athen - 71.000
2000 Sidney -110.000
1996 Atlanta - 85.000

Basicly 66.000 not enough

The IOC requirement is 60,000.

I would expect Madrid to ensure about a 70,000 capacity given the demand it will see.

The video is very impressive and complete!
A great one and a great stadium to be born.

BTW do we really have just this video?
No pics or plans?

I'm a bit surprised but haven't seen these here:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8775/estadiolapeineta01fx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5981/estadiolapeineta02vq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5924/estadiolapeineta03lw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3002/estadiolapeineta04jc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These we've been handed by the committee of Madrid 2012, so are obviously outdated a bit (without the football mode changes included). Hope they might be useful

I'm a bit surprised but haven't seen these here:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8775/estadiolapeineta01fx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5981/estadiolapeineta02vq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5924/estadiolapeineta03lw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3002/estadiolapeineta04jc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These we've been handed by the committee of Madrid 2012, so are obviously outdated a bit (without the football mode changes included). Hope they might be useful

These have been around for a while.

I would repeat the Grand stand at the other end and provide a more elegant roof solution.

These have been around for a while.

I would repeat the Grand stand at the other end and provide a more elegant roof solution.

oh yes they have, but since Sercan asked, I gave what I had :)

oh yes they have, but since Sercan asked, I gave what I had :)

Cool. I wasn't attacking your for adding old images. Just surprised many have not seen them.

Thanks Michal.
Looks kinda boring to me.

Thanks Michal.
Looks kinda boring to me.

Has potential.

As you mentioned it.
A copy of the main stand at the other sand would have been better.

As you mentioned it.
A copy of the main stand at the other sand would have been better.

Ending up with a birds nest, green point type shape

Like this:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/lapeineta1.jpg

Looks better
Maybe with some more palcos.

Looks like the current main stadium do not have suites

I kind of liked the unbalanced look better, atleast I think the actual feel would be cool, but it would a really low capacity for an Olympic bid without a bigger opposite stand, even if it would be fine for Atletico.

I don't think the suite total would change much either with an identical stand opposite, The current plans show a tier of suites wrapping all the way around. 150 wouldn't be out of the question, and I don't know if Atletico would need more than that any time soon

How many suites will it have :)

Like this:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/lapeineta1.jpg


Nice work, but it would not be an improvement mop. I like stadiums were the main stand is bigger then the others. They should stand out a bit mop.
What I would do is make the VIP boxes go all around the stadium. All for the cash no?

Interesting render Mo, but I would fill those corner gaps with something, maybe giants screens?

Stadium design is from 90's, so there you have the whole design's a bit outdated imho.

At Athletic mode

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9884/15633479nz8.jpg

Main Stand
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2928/69563110xx8.jpg

Opposite stand
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1887/63502650ye7.jpg


http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4531/57016386vp4.jpg

The construction start is a bit delayed. Work should start now at the beginning of 2010 and it's planned to be finished in September 2012.
Also it seems the images we know are not final. The definite design will be presented in april or may. The architect has said he wants a stadium with "soul" and the spectators as close to the pitch as possible.

close to the pitch as possible.
sound great.

If Vicente Calderón is going to be demolished, will Estadio Olímpico become the main big concert venue in Madrid?

Jericho-79, are you more interested in concert than sport? Lol...

Jericho-79, are you more interested in concert than sport? Lol...

Both:lol:

I live in the States. So I find it amazing that soccer stadiums in Europe can double up as huge concert venues.:cool:

New renders:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8408/dibujo1vy.jpg

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8346/dibujo2q.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8118/dibujo3tm.jpg

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gif/20091030/30porat.jpg

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gif/20091030/e__archivo_photo_10_1_1_20091030_YAT03F3.tif6.jpg

Some changes to the facade will still be made.

looks asian :)

^^ the roof does! :lol:

I really like it! It a simple and clean design..there´s not much to dislike about it.

Will they still install the track or have they changed plans since Rio got de olympics?

^^ As far as I know it's still the same plan.
Madrid might bid for 2020 again.

I thought Valencia would bid.

Good God Almighty! will somebody just give Madrid the Olympics already ?! :)

Good God Almighty! will somebody just give Madrid the Olympics already ?! :)


Barcelona turned out so well, I can't imagine a Madrid games not happening and this stadium makes a good case for anything in Madrid. ;)

Are they still going to build it despite losing the 2016 summer Olympics?

Yes, it will be the home stadium of Atlético de Madrid

Any news..? When this gonna be started? I really like that big main stand (that old part). Hope those stands are steep enough. Pity that the location of this stadium is far from downtown.

will this stadium still happen now that madrid didnt get the summer olympics? if so when does the construction start?

will this stadium still happen now that madrid didnt get the summer olympics?

I don't think that question's been asked before ;)

I don't think that question's been asked before ;)

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I was reading the marca today, not the website, and they said construction would start with in two weeks. My Spanish is not 100%, but I am pretty sure.

^^yeah. Atlético is suposed to move there by 2014-2015 season.

Marca says they have 194 million euros for the stadium works and capacity have been lowered to 70.000 because of safety reasons

works will last 24-30 months

^^yeah. Atlético is suposed to move there by 2014-2015 season.

Marca says they have 194 million euros for the stadium works and capacity have been lowered to 70.000 because of safety reasons

works will last 24-30 months

Is that also what Marca said? Any link, maybe? Would be fantastic.

^^
http://www.youkioske.com/prensa-deportiva/diario-marca-22-marzo-2011/

you have to click where it say ''pulse para ver la publicación'' and then go to page 12.
Sorry, but it's in spanish

Work has started this week, they're removing the old pitch:
http://www.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/index.html

Btw on pic 5 it says there won't be athletic tracks since Madrid didn't get the games.

^^Disappointment. Blame the loss of athletic track on Rio. Why don't we just cover up the Athletics track instead of eliminating it altogether? Other stadiums have done it.

Great to hear they've decided to ditch the track, and will rebuild it just as a football stadium. :cheers:

It won't be a rectangular one, though, The Peineta's use as a football-only stadium is somewhat great, not very, though, sorry (but it's still feasible). I hope that despite this, in case Madrid makes yet another bid for the Summer Olympics, they'll save room in the playing area for a track. They'll also dig up the earth embankments where the new stands will be to maximise the stadium's floor area. If there is no athletics track, fans are just going to see a huge outright green playing area/field where the football pitch will be. Not trying to make any complaints or nothing.
http://s5.as.com/recorte/20091029dasdasftb_17/XLCO/Ies/Vista_interior_estadio_Peineta.jpg

Hold up, didn't the stadium have a movable platform/lower tier to cover the track anyway? I'd be amazed if Madrid didn't bid again given they'd have a good chance the next time it comes round to Europe.

Why do Atlético want to move to this stadium? Vincente Calderon location is perfect, and the stadium has a good capacity. Yes it's old but surely it can be updated?

They started to work on it two weeks ago.
But i have to advice that they will be so slow because they want to move there on the season 2014/15.
Finally capacity will be 70.000 because they want to make more VIP places. It's 16.000 bigger than the actual Vicente Calderon.
Here you can see the photos: http://www.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/index.html

They planned the works for 36 months but in Spain is a tradition to be late so maybe 38-40 months.
And Atletico managers (not fans) want to move there because they will have new stadium (Calderon is really old, with not so much VIP=not so much €), cheap (like 200 MM€ i think) and with more capacity. Why not?

http://estaticos01.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/1301071866_extras_albumes_0.jpg

http://estaticos01.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/1301072176_extras_albumes_0.jpg

http://estaticos01.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/1301072267_extras_albumes_0.jpg

http://estaticos01.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/1301072577_extras_albumes_0.jpg

http://estaticos01.marca.com/albumes/2011/03/25/obras_atletico_peineta/1301072907_extras_albumes_0.jpg

Congratulations on finally getting this thing going. I know how stressful the waiting can be, as I wonder if the Niners are really going to start construction on their new stadium next January. I guess that this thread now needs to be moved to 'under construction'.

do atletico really have to use this stadium in the future or there are another options floating around?
oval stadium sucks, the view is bad for the fans at both ends

Why not?

Well, one reason is the horrible location. Vincente Calderon has a perfekt location near the city centre, the new stadium is really far away.

the stadium won't have tracks.if you watch the video you can see there will be a tier.that tier can be changed for athletic tracks



Vicente Calderón won't be demolished until the team moves to the new stadium

here's a bigger video of the stadium

miTAtAPPg8g&eurl

Has anyone any idea what it would cost to dig down and lower the pitch level to accommodate a lower tier nearer to the pitch?

^^Stadium is gonna look ugly in football mode?

That is the most stupid football stadium project in europe I know. Too far away from field, bad location and getting rid of one of the most unique and beautiful stadias I know.

Shame on Atletico...

Any news?

Shame on Athletico, this is as disgusting as murdering an older relative because you're on their will. The Vicente Calderon is a majestic place and the new stadium is fugly beyond belief:ohno:

You're right PrevaricationComplex, this stadium is hideous.. Vicente Calderón is much better

This time might be for real... "La Peineta" Stadium (Madrid "Olympic Stadium") is being demolished.

Finally, it seems that the only tier will be demolished because of structural problems, the Stadium will become Atlético de Madrid home in 2015-2016. It will be a football only stadium, but apprently, if Madrid is finally given the olympic games, some sort of temporal refurbishement will be made.

On December 5th the project is supposed to be made public.

source: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/madrid/piqueta/entro/fin/Peineta/elpepuespmad/20111108elpmad_7/Tes

http://s5.as.com/recorte/20111110dasdasftb_26/XLCO/Ies/20111110dasdasftb_26.jpg

Atletico presents new stadium on December 5 (http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/atletico-presenta-nuevo-estadio-diciembre/20111110dasdasftb_21/Tes)

Ain't gonna like the stadium as a football-only stadium. Hope this stadium gets used for a World Athletics Championship event.

Ain't gonna like the stadium as a football-only stadium. Hope this stadium gets used for a World Athletics Championship event.

Jim, get over it. The track and stand are getting demolished so it wont be hosting the WAC anytime soon!

I'm sure that the plans Athletico reveal on the 5th of December will be for a proper rectangular Football stadium, not the hideous botched up mess of a plan they had before.

Just look at the farce that is the London 2012 stadium if you need convincing that Athletic tracks don't belong in regularly used club football grounds :ohno:

The're fine at National multi-use stadiums such as Kiev and Rome etc but not club grounds. Man City, Stuggart, Bremen, Juve, need I go on?

IMO it will have 3 tiers?! :)

What do you think?

Jim, get over it. The track and stand are getting demolished so it wont be hosting the WAC anytime soon!

I'm sure that the plans Athletico reveal on the 5th of December will be for a proper rectangular Football stadium, not the hideous botched up mess of a plan they had before.

Just look at the farce that is the London 2012 stadium if you need convincing that Athletic tracks don't belong in regularly used club football grounds :ohno:

The're fine at National multi-use stadiums such as Kiev and Rome etc but not club grounds. Man City, Stuggart, Bremen, Juve, need I go on?

Now, Andy-i, it shouldn't be like the Olimpico stadium as a rectangular football-only stadium is an embarrassment that we has to put up with because of Madrid's failed Olympic bids. Because of your statement, now Madrid will never get the Olympics or the World Athletics Championships. We need this stadium for an Olympic bid for Madrid. If you want a football stadium, just pull a Stade de France on this stadium or something.

Now, Andy-i, it shouldn't be like the Olimpico stadium as a rectangular football-only stadium is an embarrassment that we has to put up with because of Madrid's failed Olympic bids. Because of your statement, now Madrid will never get the Olympics or the World Athletics Championships. We need this stadium for an Olympic bid for Madrid. If you want a football stadium, just pull a Stade de France on this stadium or something.

Right now this stadium is just an ugly eyesore that provides nothing. It will not be missed.

If Madrid wants to bid for the Olympics again they can, if they win they can build a 60K athletics stadium.

Its not for Althletico to play in this s**thole forever just so Madrid can bid.

^^Okay, now your comments just make my blood boil. Stop trying to derail Madrid's future Olympic bids. Without a proper Olympic Stadium, Madrid wouldn't even be bidding for a Summer Olympics. We don't need more football-only stadiums hosting Olympic opening and closing ceremonies. Now, Madrid is not going to build a 60-70k Athletics stadium just for it to be converted into a stupid rectangular football stadium every time a bid fails.

It's too bad I'm already supporting an Istanbul 2020 bid and pushing Paris in France to host the 2024 edition. after Paris, I should let Madrid host in, say 2036 or 2040?

If I had redesigned this stadium, it will not be just another plain rectangular football stadium, it will be a multipurpose stadium with a retractable lower tier for a track (or a portion of the lower tier) like the Sydney's Stadium Australia or Melbourne's Docklands Stadium. But what if it were redeveloped as a football-only stadium and it still looks ugly?

Is this Estadio Olímpico actually the Estadio La Peineta that is mentioned in this Wikipedia article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_La_Peineta


Also, what will ultimately happen to Vicente Calderón Stadium?

^^Yes, and as I have mentioned before, the vicente calderon stadium will be torn down for some kind of redevelopment.

We have to wait until the 5th of december.

The only stadium that has de possibility to move from an athletic stadium to a football/rugby ground is the Stade de France and visa versa.

Isn't that maybe a possibilty for the new Peineta?

Woo-hoo! Good to hear it's going to be rebuilt as a football stadium. Nice one! :cheers:

This time might be for real... "La Peineta" Stadium (Madrid "Olympic Stadium") is being demolished.

Finally, it seems that the only tier will be demolished because of structural problems, the Stadium will become Atlético de Madrid home in 2015-2016. It will be a football only stadium, but apprently, if Madrid is finally given the olympic games, some sort of temporal refurbishement will be made.

Well, whatever's best for the city, it's certainly not up to us, or Jim, to say what's right and wrong. It's up to the people of Spain and Madrid, and the fans of Athletico.

But I do wonder what this "temporal refurbishment" would entail. How exactly could or would that work? The only thing I could think would be a "platform" much like Glasgow is doing at Hampden Park for the 2014 CWGs, but surely that would take capacity below the IOC 60,000 minimum?

The only stadium that has de possibility to move from an athletic stadium to a football/rugby ground is the Stade de France and visa versa.

Isn't that maybe a possibilty for the new Peineta?

Actually, not only Stade de France, Stadium Australia also can do stuff like that. But in both cases it's very expensive and the question is whether that would viable - I don't think anyone can expect Atletico to pay for this in the name of a hipothetical bid to host an event in 20 years time...

^^Okay, now your comments just make my blood boil. Stop trying to derail Madrid's future Olympic bids. Without a proper Olympic Stadium, Madrid wouldn't even be bidding for a Summer Olympics. We don't need more football-only stadiums hosting Olympic opening and closing ceremonies. Now, Madrid is not going to build a 60-70k Athletics stadium just for it to be converted into a stupid rectangular football stadium every time a bid fails.

It's too bad I'm already supporting an Istanbul 2020 bid and pushing Paris in France to host the 2024 edition. after Paris, I should let Madrid host in, say 2036 or 2040?

If I had redesigned this stadium, it will not be just another plain rectangular football stadium, it will be a multipurpose stadium with a retractable lower tier for a track (or a portion of the lower tier) like the Sydney's Stadium Australia or Melbourne's Docklands Stadium. But what if it were redeveloped as a football-only stadium and it still looks ugly?

Jim, please go back to trolling the Rio 2016 Olympic forum with your track hang up!

I am not personally derailing any Madrid Olympic bid. If they win they can build. It's very silly to expect anyone to build a massive athletic stadium in the hope they might win. What do you do with it if they dont?

You want Athletico to compromise their long term ground just so you can get your track fix. Its not for them to do at all!
If massive athletic stadiums were sustainable everyone would be building them.

Just look at the history of the last few Olympic stadium, a lot of them have been reconfigured or just stand empty. Rio 2016 is one of the most sensible solutions I've seen for a while and you have a one man crusade to dismiss it and build massive white elephants:ohno:

Also, why are rectangular stadiums stupid for football? Would you prefer they were round, oblong or perhaps triangular:)

^^How about if you never reply to my posts again? I don't think rectangular stadiums are stupid for football, they are great for football, but I am also an Olympics supporter.

If the ground is going to be owned and paid for by Athletico then their needs need to come first. This isn't the same as the London Olympic Stadium by the sounds of things, as that's a publically owned stadium with athletics at its core. This stadium, by contrast, will be paid for and used by a football club from the outset and the Olympics is only a pipe-dream at the moment.

What I'd like to know is how could the stadium be converted should Madrid win their 2020 bid? That's the interesting question; not what people think should or shouldn't happen.

How can the La Peineta Stadium be converted for any athletics events should Madrid win any future Olympic bid (this stadium is needed, not any others, especially a new one). The La Peineta Stadium can usually be an oval stadium, yet without a track (a la Hampden Park). For a Madrid Olympics, the stadium cam be transformed from a football stadium to an international-standard track and field facility by implementing an innovative building technique that uses a solid in-fill to raise the playing surface from its usual level by a few meters. But in both its football and Olympic configuarion, it must be above 66,000.

Also, there's an aquatics center north of the stadium, that was also built for a future Olympic bid. How does Madrid keep building infrastructure even if their Olympic bids fail?

If La Peineta were a rectangular stadium, then to fit an athletics track, the east stand may need to get torn down and a temporary c-shaped stand will be built from the ground up, then the rectangular stands are built again after the Olympics. But that would be prohibitively insane and expensive. Because of this, I just don't see La Peineta becoming a football-only stadium. That wouldn't be right for an Olympic bid.

2 questions: can they hold bullfights here? and where will the 2020 cauldron go if Madrid finally wins it? They keep forgetting there's GOT TO BE A space for the cauldron!!

Any render how the new design without tracks will look?

Hard to build a stadium more beautiful than Vincent-Calderon.

Where in the city of Madrid will this new stadium be built?

Will its location be close to the existing Vincent Calderon?

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If La Peineta were a rectangular stadium, then to fit an athletics track, the east stand may need to get torn down and a temporary c-shaped stand will be built from the ground up, then the rectangular stands are built again after the Olympics. But that would be prohibitively insane and expensive. Because of this, I just don't see La Peineta becoming a football-only stadium. That wouldn't be right for an Olympic bid.
Who cares? I mean, apart from you being obsessed with that thought. Avarage lifespan for stadiums nowadays is 15-25 years (according to FIFA, not me), then they need a sginificant revamp. It's doubtful or at least questionable Madrid will get Olympics anywhere before that time passing. Why do you even consider that someone would be building, maintaining and paying for infrastructure that is a disadvantage for those attending games for the next 1,5 decade just for some dream that is rather foggy right now? Beyond me.

Jim might be a little too worked up over this, but that's not the point michał_.

Madrid is bidding for the 2020 Olympics - whether they're likely to get them or not is beside the point - and they do need to show the IOC a stadium plan for that. If this stadium is to become a rectangular staidum, and if the plan is to retrofit it for the Games as has been suggested, I'm very intrigued to see their plans for doing so.

Jim might be a little too worked up over this, but that's not the point michał_.

Madrid is bidding for the 2020 Olympics - whether they're likely to get them or not is beside the point - and they do need to show the IOC a stadium plan for that. If this stadium is to become a rectangular staidum, and if the plan is to retrofit it for the Games as has been suggested, I'm very intrigued to see their plans for doing so.

And we end up with the question of what should be shown to the IOC in order to look good (because this is what bidding is about - making a nice impression). Don't be afraid, I'm well aware of Madrid's bid (maybe too sceptical about chances because of the supposed win for Paris in 2024), but at this stage anything may be accepted. What London presented to the IOC when selected was not even close to the final outcome both in terms of looks, construction and the whole idea, not mentioning the hustle about legacy. So works that are just now starting at la Peineta don't have to go far enough to make it impossible to make it an olympic venue in the future. Bid fails, life (construction) goes on in football mode. Not sure if I said it clearly...

What London presented to the IOC when selected was not even close to the final outcome both in terms of looks, construction and the whole idea

This is a fallacy I'm afraid. In terms of looks, you're right of course, but in terms of concept, function and "the whole idea" what London has built (a huge new Olympic Park close to the city centre) is pretty much the same as what was presented. And in terms of the stadium this is also true. What London has built is a demountable 80,000 seat athletics-focussed stadium, exactly what was promised in the bid.

The IOC has to be confident what is presented is workable before they can select a host city - we're not debating looks. To this end, I'm intrigued to see how Madrid's 2020 Stadium plan works now. If they're building a rectangular stadium, what is their plan for converting that to athletics should a 2020 bid be won, and how will this be presented in Madrid's bid book to the IOC? I guess we'll find out Dec 5.

This is a fallacy I'm afraid. In terms of looks, you're right of course, but in terms of concept, function and "the whole idea" what London has built (a huge new Olympic Park close to the city centre) is pretty much the same as what was presented. And in terms of the stadium this is also true. What London has built is a demountable 80,000 seat athletics-focussed stadium, exactly what was promised in the bid.
Sure, if we consider things as general as "a huge Olympic Park close to the city centre", then they've done it perfectly. Apart from the fact that neither the ground will be recycled as suggested in the bid, nor will it have an athletic legacy as described in the bid... And that was the concept and idea behind this ground which has NOT been implemented. So if London can change design, construction and legacy entirely - why can't Madrid?

The IOC has to be confident what is presented is workable before they can select a host city - we're not debating looks. To this end, I'm intrigued to see how Madrid's 2020 Stadium plan works now. If they're building a rectangular stadium, what is their plan for converting that to athletics should a 2020 bid be won, and how will this be presented in Madrid's bid book to the IOC? I guess we'll find out Dec 5.
That's my point - who said they're building a rectangular stadium at this point? IOC has to be convinced and in my opinion Madrid still has the cards to play this, nothing final against the bid has been done, which doesn't mean it cannot be done if/after the bid fails.

So if London can change design, construction and legacy entirely - why can't Madrid?

No, you're still wrong, and you're still missing my point entirely.

London has built, for the Olympics, exactly what it promised - namely an 80k athletics-focussed stadium in Stratford. It's not changed to a football stadium converted to athletics, it's not changed to a multi-use stadium like Stade de France with retractable seats and inferior athletics sightnlines, its location has not suddenly changed, it's not reduced in capacity from the bid promise. For the 2012 Games themselves, London has built exactly the stadium it promised in its bid in terms of how it functions during Games-time.

London has not had to go to the IOC to ask if it's ok to amend its stadium plan for the Games, because the stadium plan for the Games is the same as it always was as far as the IOC are concerned. So the question "if London can change design, construction and legacy entirely why can't Madrid?" doesn't make sense.

Similarly, Athens stuck to their promise of converting an older stadium, Beijing stuck to their promise of building a brand-new stadium, Rio is sticking to its promised two-stadium solution etc. Functionally, if not aesthetically, the Games-time stadium plans presented to the IOC in the past have been realised by host cities. London is no different and the expectations the IOC will have of Madrid 2020's plans will be be no different.

Therefore, when the IOC sees what Madrid 2020 proposes they won't - despite what you say - think that the plan is "just how you present yourself". They will want to know how the stadium will work for athletics. And actually, that's all I'm asking as well. I'm not, like Jim, saying the decision to build a football stadium is wrong (that's not for me to say), I'm just intruiged as to how Madrid 2020 will present their stadium plans to the IOC - how their plans will work during Games-time.

That's my point - who said they're building a rectangular stadium at this point? IOC has to be convinced and in my opinion Madrid still has the cards to play this, nothing final against the bid has been done, which doesn't mean it cannot be done if/after the bid fails.

That's fair enough, of course.

No, you're still wrong, and you're still missing my point entirely.
Oh come on :) You saythey're building what they promised 'in terms of how it functions during Games-time' - well of course during the Games an olympic stadium is an olympic stadium. But the bid was about a stadium which was supposed to be partly dismantled/recycled afterwards and to be left with 25k capacity and athletics-use as a priority. That ain't happening so as much as you can stick to general stuff like the above 'function during Games-time' and 'building an olympic village in the centre of the city', a lot has changed. It will be primarly used for football, will not be partly dismatled and god knows at this poit if it will have a track left at all. That's why I said a lot can be changed or played to look good for the IOC... :)

Course new design for La Peineta:

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WOW! I'm lovin' that, especially the roof. :applause:

The final project appears on December 5, though everything indicates that these renders are a part of the final project, not if trustworthy completely but it it seems

I think it is owful... specially the roof!!!! :ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Oh come on :) You saythey're building what they promised 'in terms of how it functions during Games-time' - well of course during the Games an olympic stadium is an olympic stadium. But the bid was about a stadium which was supposed to be partly dismantled/recycled afterwards and to be left with 25k capacity and athletics-use as a priority. That ain't happening so as much as you can stick to general stuff like the above 'function during Games-time' and 'building an olympic village in the centre of the city', a lot has changed. It will be primarly used for football, will not be partly dismatled and god knows at this poit if it will have a track left at all. That's why I said a lot can be changed or played to look good for the IOC... :)

That's not relevent. The IOC wants to know how the stadium will WORK during Games-time because an OLympic stadium is not just an Olympic stadiun. London told them that and is delivering on that. I want to know what Madrid will tell the IOC.

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Wonderful! Gave the very restrained design a lot of finesse!

but are these relseased by the Madrid bid or the ones supposed to be presented on Dec 5th by Atletico?

That's not relevent. The IOC wants to know how the stadium will WORK during Games-time because an OLympic stadium is not just an Olympic stadiun. London told them that and is delivering on that. I want to know what Madrid will tell the IOC.
We all want that :)

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Look at the tiers.
The 1st one is rectangular and the upper one(s) oval.

So like Valencia -> platform -> track :D!ß

Look at the tiers.
The 1st one is rectangular and the upper one(s) oval.

So like Valencia -> platform -> track :D!ß

except this won't necessarily give Madrid the required capacity, will it?

Wonderful! Gave the very restrained design a lot of finesse!

but are these relseased by the Madrid bid or the ones supposed to be presented on Dec 5th by Atletico?




these images are the project was filed on Dec. 5th, are images of the architect

The final project looks better especially since now it won’t have the Olympic track, however there is something to it that I personally quite don’t like, I hope I’m wrong but I guess will see once its finished.

who will play there? athletico? the deal is signed?

who will play there? athletico? the deal is signed?

Yes Atletico will play there... someday :)
The project depens on a urban development next to the Vicente Calderon stadium and the recovery of the rivershore. The deal is already signed with constructors and the council.
The demolition of the old buildings next to the current stadium have already begun. On December 5th the presentation of the final desing should happen, it's really likely it will, but it's been already several years of delay due to the crisis.

Who knows, it's Atletico XD XD XD (here in Spain they call them "el pupas", somethign like "the wounded team" in a funny way).

Today is the presentation of the new stadium ...

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Yes Atletico will play there... someday :)
The project depens on a urban development next to the Vicente Calderon stadium and the recovery of the rivershore. The deal is already signed with constructors and the council.
The demolition of the old buildings next to the current stadium have already begun. On December 5th the presentation of the final desing should happen, it's really likely it will, but it's been already several years of delay due to the crisis.

Who knows, it's Atletico XD XD XD (here in Spain they call them "el pupas", somethign like "the wounded team" in a funny way).

new stadium is planned at place of current Vicente Calderón stadium ?? I think that new stadium will be on place of La Peineta stadium...

new stadium is planned at place of current Vicente Calderón stadium ?? I think that new stadium will be on place of La Peineta stadium...

No, you're right.

What i mean is that the building of the stadium (in "La Peineta" as you said) depens on the construction (and sales) of apartment buildings next to the current stadium, where an old factory is being demolished now. The place of the Vicente Calderon Stadium will be part of the park that now follows the river across the city.
I hope is clear now :)

I found the plan of the redevelopment:
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(yellow new housing, green enlargement of the river-park)

Who's gonna own this stadium?

^^ I guess you missed may news.
Do you know Atlético Madrid FC? They'll own that stadium, succeeding Vicente Calderón Stadium.
Ah.... They'll rebuilt that stadium behind (original) schedule.

^^ LMAO, I was wondering if it was gonna be owned by the club or the city is all. You've confirmed, cheers.

What i mean is that the building of the stadium (in "La Peineta" as you said) depens on the construction (and sales) of apartment buildings next to the current stadium, where an old factory is being demolished now. The place of the Vicente Calderon Stadium will be part of the park that now follows the river across the city.
I hope is clear now :)


So the club itself is acting as a property developer, or in a partnership at least? I would have thought selling loads of flats in Spain would be difficult now...

Tbh, I don't see why the future revenues from the new stadium itself are not enough to be able to obtain funding alone plus a small down payment (not to mention the selling/redeveloping of the site once the club move), and why the club needs the residential section done in order to finance construction. I guess creditors in Spain are uber risk-averse and/or Atleltico's own financial results aren't encouraging.

So the club itself is acting as a property developer, or in a partnership at least? I would have thought selling loads of flats in Spain would be difficult now...

Tbh, I don't see why the future revenues from the new stadium itself are not enough to be able to obtain funding alone plus a small down payment (not to mention the selling/redeveloping of the site once the club move), and why the club needs the residential section done in order to finance construction. I guess creditors in Spain are uber risk-averse and/or Atleltico's own financial results aren't encouraging.

There is a partnership between Atlético, Madrid council and a construction company:

As the land of Vicente Calderón will be part of a park (land value=0) Atlético gets a share of the profits of the housing development, it's suposed to be enough to pay for the stadium (wich will be built by the same construction company of the houses). It's a win-win-win project(at least in theory when it was proposed): Atletico gets the new stadium and reduce the debt, the construction company gets two great projects an the council gets it's brand new mega park finished.

And you're right, the housing market is still going down here and i have serious doubts that the profits will be so high as they expect, may be is the reason it took so long to launch the project (it was suposed to start like 4 or 5 years ago).

Valencia F.C. is in a similar situation with his new stadium as they find no buyer for the Mestalla land. The problem is that the stadium is under construction and a court declared illegal the last expansion of Mestalla and they must tear it down.

P.S.: they are releasing the proyject of the new stadium right now, but still no images of the final look. If youre very interested the images should be released in spanish sport newspapers shortly ( as.com or marca.com are the biggest)

P.S.2: the video is here
http://youtu.be/r0P659nhtVs

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:) or :ohno: ?

One of THE most stupid stadium projects in Europe. The only thing Atletico gain from this is a larger stadium, which by the way they will never fill. And for that they have to give up their identity and move to a new location half way between Madrid and Barcelona in the middle of nowhere. The only way to get to the stadium will be by car or metro, compare to the old stadium where you can simply walk down from the city centre.

This is a scam by the municipality of Madrid (which by the way are all Real Madrid fans), they want someone to use their worthless Olympic stadium (Madrid will never afford to hold any Olympics with their billions of debt) and conceive this scam to get away with it.

There are far better locations much closer to the city centre where they could have built their staduim, but of cause the Madrid municipality AKA Real Madrid fanclub had to fuck up this club just enough to ensure that Real Madrid has no competition what so ever.

There are far better locations much closer to the city centre where they could have built their staduim

Where?

I didnt like it. I think it is far too big for a clup like Atletico. 50-60k should be better.

If you are building it on an old stadium with athletic track than it has to be like 70k. Instead of that, i would prefer a proper one like 50k capasity, closer to the pitch, with more suits and better stands. I mean like TT Arena or Donbass Arena.

Works started some months ago. This thread should be in Under Construction sub forum.

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Wouldn't it be funny if they really made it like this?

And this is how the Vicente Calderón area will look like:
http://www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/nuevoestadio/images/post_calderon_2.jpg
source (http://www.urbanity.es/foro/urbanismo-mad/55-madrid-operacion-calderon-mahou-38.html#post549591)

Also, next to La Peineta there will be the acuatic center (under construction/paralised) and a sports arena (in project). May if they finally built it, Atlético handabll team will play there, and who knows, they could even recover the basketball section they dismateled some years ago.

Whats the point of having the new stadium a view much more worse than the old one? Calderon is a proper footballstadium, the new one is a joke.

This project is shit. Sorry.

The project is kinda shit because the new stadium is located far from the center of the city and yeah, the stadium is oval and the view would be worse than on Calderon.
I wonder what Atletico fans are thinking now, they gotta hate the idea to leave Calderon, that's for sure.

Whats the point of having the new stadium a view much more worse than the old one?


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Works started some months ago. This thread should be in Under Construction sub forum.

I'll do it.

Don't like the inside shape of the stadium ! Only the 1st tier has the right shape, 2nd and 3th tier are round, just like an olympic stadium. It has to be adjust to the 1st tier.
Also the roof, it doesn't cover all of the seats.

I like a project for a new stadium for Atlético, but this is awful !!!
Any pics of the aquatic center and sports arena and there capacity?

Don't like the inside shape of the stadium ! Only the 1st tier has the right shape, 2nd and 3th tier are round, just like an olympic stadium. It has to be adjust to the 1st tier.
Also the roof, it doesn't cover all of the seats.

I like a project for a new stadium for Atlético, but this is awful !!!
Any pics of the aquatic center and sports arena and there capacity?

No, the 1st tier has a dramatically bad shape. I understand your point about it encircling the pitch correctly like in football stadiums. But just take a look at how flat the 1st tier is in this cross-section. The sightlines will be horrible. So ironically, the rounded 2nd and 3rd tier may offer a lot better viewing.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2rh75ux.jpg

Overall I like the design, though agree that it's too much of a compromise between a football and athletic stadium.

btw, haven't seen the video here yet:
r0P659nhtVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0P659nhtVs

1. Atletico should have gotten a 50k stadium of their own.

2. How could Atletico have acquired the Peineta stadium as their future home?

3. All I can say is the lower tier of the peineta stadium should have been retractable for use as an Olympic main stadium.

1. Atletico should have gotten a 50k stadium of their own.

2. How could Atletico have acquired the Peineta stadium as their future home?

3. All I can say is the lower tier of the peineta stadium should have been retractable for use as an Olympic main stadium.

1. They couldn't afford one.

2. Council want to demolish the Vincente Calderon to finish their Mega Park.

3. If they win the 2020 bid it looks like the plan is to temporarily remove the lower tier and install a track. Its seems rather than pay the extra cost of retractable seating they are gambling on the "zero cost if we dont win" option.


This solution is by no means perfect but it seems to be driven by:

Athletico get a bigger ground and a reduced debt level.
Council get to finish their Mega Park project
This previously mothballed site gets a stadium built on it
If they win the 2020 bid, they will have a 60K Athletic stadium (admittedly with a lot of disruption to Athletico Madrid)
If they don't win the 2020 bid, they just carry on as normal and don't have an empty white elephant of an Athletics stadium.

So the club is footing the bill for this stadium! A 70000 seater to be built by 2013 thanks to cash generated by the redevelopment of Vincente Calderon and a good old fashion mortgage! No seriously do they have a money printing machine?!





ps: another track and field stadium bites the dust for the sake of all mighty football! This is getting really sickening!

Is the official name of this new stadium "Estadio La Peineta"?

Or is it "Estadio Olímpico de la Peineta"?

Google Maps lists two different names.

^^ It was called "Estadio Olímpico de la Peineta" during 2016 Olympic bid. But since Madrid narrowly lost 2016 bid, they just called that stadium as "Estadio La Peineta", as it finally become association football-specific stadium.

I'm not sure if finally Madrid will proposed new main stadium (or not) for 2020 Olympic bid, but I hope that stadium won't become "white elephant" only because they didn't lower the surface deeper.

ps: another track and field stadium bites the dust for the sake of all mighty football! This is getting really sickening!
And did you hear too much of that stadium before it started being considered for remodelling? I mean seriously - it's easy to curse on the athletic stadiums dissapearing but do you even know of what was going on at that very stadium prior to this? I for example don't, but am well aware that a lot of so called 'multi-use' stadiums were built with athletics tracks that were used close to never. For what reason?

muy lindo proyecto , ojala lo puedan ejecutar

So the club is footing the bill for this stadium! A 70000 seater to be built by 2013 thanks to cash generated by the redevelopment of Vincente Calderon and a good old fashion mortgage! No seriously do they have a money printing machine?!





ps: another track and field stadium bites the dust for the sake of all mighty football! This is getting really sickening!

In Spain no one gives a shit about track and field. There are two white elephants in Barcelona and Seville. Two useless stadiums costing taxpayers millions in upkeep every year, 6 million euro every year for the Barcelona olympic stadium and probably a similar figure for the Seville one. Imagine all that wasted money going into youth sports development instead.

This year the national track and field championship was held at at 10.000 capacity stadium and a few hundred showed up, basically the athletes families and friends.

Why the hell should they build stadiums that never see any use and the extremely few occasions they do like for example the european athletics championship in Barcelona 2010, then they only draw 10-15 thousand to a stadium that can hold 50-60 thousand.

Athletics stadiums are thankfully dying out in Europe. They still seem to be prevalent in Asia and Africa, but Europe is finally ridding itself of the scourge. The only sports that can pull regular big crowds in stadiums in Europe are football and rugby.

Athletics should be left to 5-10,000 seater venues. Its a scam how much influence they have had in stadium design.

With this one separated stand it looks just like Mercedes Benz Arena in Stuttgart:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6780/38854331783992156863818.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3918/vollbildaufzeichnung210.jpg

Athletics stadiums are thankfully dying out in Europe. They still seem to be prevalent in Asia and Africa, but Europe is finally ridding itself of the scourge. The only sports that can pull regular big crowds in stadiums in Europe are football and rugby.

Athletics should be left to 5-10,000 seater venues. Its a scam how much influence they have had in stadium design.

True that. And the reason for these desgins to be still prevalent in Asia and Africa is pretty much the attitude that stadiums are meant to be costly year after year, they're being built mostly for prestigous reasons, not with any ecnomical analysis...

With this one separated stand it looks just like Mercedes Benz Arena in Stuttgart:
except for significantly worse sightlines in Madrid, even though it will be practically a brand new venue, unlike the Stuttgart one.

Good old Vicente Calderon, i am so sad to hear that it is going to be deconstructed, it was one of my favourite stadiums.

where Spain found money to make this?

Aren't we in an economic crisis period?

Isn't Valencia a good example enough for spain?

Europe deals treaty to have an eye on all the countries which make rubbish with their finances and we have Spain with Real+Barca which cumulate perhaps 1 billion of debts (the ones of Real madrid are secured to be paid by the spanish government in a case of failure :ohno: ) and now Athletico will get a new stadium!

The total debt for all spanish clubs last summer was estimated aroun 2 billion and we have a new stadium there!

I don't understand. :mad:

I don't understand. :mad:
Yes, we know. You've proven that quite a few times. This stadium is NOT being built by "Spain in crisis" and a country being in crisis does NOT mean live seizes and all investment stops.

Total debt of just three, maybe five English Premier League clubs would equal that of the whole Spanish league, but you don't seem to find that any bit interesting...

The difference between english clubs is that they are owned by very richmen that can cancel anytime those debts.

Why Liga players made a strike that delays the debut of championship?

I had the pleasure of visiting the Vincente Calderon roughly 10 yrs ago. Whilst I understand the sentiment of the home fans towards leaving the stadium, to be totally honest...my opinion back then was that it was a bit of a crumbling wreck. Business and comfort wise it's definitely time to move on.

The difference between english clubs is that they are owned by very richmen that can cancel anytime those debts.
and yet they don't do that so what difference does it make? Clubs can operate with debts both in England and in Spain while you decided to pick on the Spanish ones as if doing anything in Spain was a sin while OK anywhere else...

Well it depends doesn't it. The English clubs with the biggest debts are those owned by very rich oligarchs. They could write off that debt in an instant if they felt like it. If a club owes a bank, however, it's very different.

Anyway, I don't want to sound like I'm defending Axel. The notion that all investment has to stop because the national economy is rocky is ludicrous, especially if the investment in question is privately funded and capable of creating jobs and regeneration.

Rob H-> Like in New valencia stadium :|

Well it depends doesn't it. The English clubs with the biggest debts are those owned by very rich oligarchs. They could write off that debt in an instant if they felt like it. If a club owes a bank, however, it's very different.
Sure it does depend, but there've been clubs going bust from both kinds of debts. Not much of a comfort, really.

Rob H-> Like in New valencia stadium :|
Really, everyone knew where your logic comes from :) But so far Valencia's case is among very few similar examples worldwide and at the same time the single only one in Spain, so maybe it's time to give generalizing a break?

Wow. This stadium is really close to the airport.

This video explains the construction system and the potencial transformation into an athletic stadium if Madrid organize the olympic games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bjCak95mxU0

Sorry i'm a dum, i cannot post a Youtube video :nuts:

^^ bjCak95mxU0

This video explains the construction system and the potencial transformation into an athletic stadium if Madrid organize the olympic games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bjCak95mxU0

It only explains how to convert this stadium into an athletic stadium, but doesn't say if it would still have the required 60k minimum. And if the capacity given at 68k with the lowest tier is true, it doesn't look too much like it. Even with the 73k it still looks like a whole lot of seats would be lost. Does anyone have capacities of each tier?

Perhaps the lowest tier of seating can be the smallest and least steep out of all the three, and can handle around 10-18,000 seats. Either that, or the lowest tier would have featured an original retractable design, anyway. If the stadium in its football only configuration, has a 73K capacity, then as an athletics stadium, capacity may be too low. The stadium may end up being as large as the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium.

^^ bjCak95mxU0

Love it

1st tier: 24,000
2nd tier: 14,000
Suit tier: 1,600
3rd tier: 30,400

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/156/atma1.jpg
http://www.abc.es/fotos-deportes/20111205/nuevo-estadio-atletico-madrid-89124.html

Any news about the cost???

I feel this is not the time in Spain to build a new stadium with the ongoing criss. A lot of money has been wasted already on the Madrid candidacy for the Olympics. Last time the whole world knew that a European city would not win the election.

Well it depends doesn't it. The English clubs with the biggest debts are those owned by very rich oligarchs. They could write off that debt in an instant if they felt like it. If a club owes a bank, however, it's very different.


United can't write off their massive debt... Neither can Liverpool.

Only City and Chelsea can.

United can't write off their massive debt... Neither can Liverpool.

Only City and Chelsea can.

After NESV took over, Liverpools debt was consolidated by some margin. They're almost not worth mentioning. As for MU, they'll always live in the knowledge that should anything ever go pear-shaped, there will be a buyer somewhere in this world.

there was a buyer some Chinese guy

^^ Which means...???

nothing

Under construction ? Pictures please ...

Images? Of that?. The works have not even begun and do not have looks of whom they are going to do it, this stadium should not be in this section of the forum. The club I publish 4 images of a few operatives demolishing 4 walls to abate to the interest, illusionist's tricks to satisfy to the group of football fans, nothing mas. The club this one in bankruptcy and he does not pay the lists of the players for months, this way it is impossible to construct a stadium. I am partner, shareholder and subscriber of the Atletico de Madrid one and know the tricks of the managers of the club

Pardon for the translation

Toledoatm-> intersting what you say...

I don't stop to point this aspect of spanish clubs but some guys continue to consider it's ignorance to say that.

I suspect valencia to do in the same league because i don't take for granted the words of a bank nowadays :|


La Liga will face a bad year again and i don't see clubs to afford such stadiums in the actual context

Toledoatm-> intersting what you say...

I don't stop to point this aspect of spanish clubs but some guys continue to consider it's ignorance to say that.
Yes, and that is the problem. Meanwhile we keep being updated on the progress
of this project throughout December. Not trying to disregard what Toledoatm said, I think it's still going forward, despite the well known difficulties.

Toledoatm-> intersting what you say...

I don't stop to point this aspect of spanish clubs but some guys continue to consider it's ignorance to say that.

I suspect valencia to do in the same league because i don't take for granted the words of a bank nowadays :|


La Liga will face a bad year again and i don't see clubs to afford such stadiums in the actual context

The different problems from the Valencia and Athletic sound and nothing it has to see between if, only they have a point jointly: the financing. The problem of the Valencia was that it started constructing the new stadium without selling before the soil of the old man and when it was going for the half of the project, realized of that serious impossible to finish it without having money and without being able to get into debt mas due to the already existing debt of the club. The problem of the Atleti, my club, is that the town hall of Madrid forced the leaders of the club, who also were mad to plunder money, to leaving of the 'Pause' sign to finish the work of the highway M30 and to justify to the COI the use of the olympic stadium after the Olympics. The club I accept the change in a play to 4 parts between the town hall, club, construction and the owners of a factory of beer that this one stuck to the Vicente Calderon. The Town hall was gaining the area of the old stadium and the use of the Olympic one after the Olympiads, my club was gaining a new stadium, the construction one was gaining the construction and sale of housings of the areas of the factories and the section buried of the highway that passes for the 'Pause' sign, in exchange this one would construct the free stadium for the appreciations that would generate the floors of the areas of the factory of beers. The problem comes that the construction one the one that has to pay the new stadium with the benefits that were going to generate the new housings of the areas of you her make the being and that now nobody is going to buy it cannot take charge of the cost and the works are late constant. Pardon for the translation, my English is very bad.

On any doubt that you have on the stadium do not hesitate to ask me, I will answer you inside my possibilities. Certainly, the final capacity they are 67.500 spectators in football and 60.000 with tracks of athletics.

Under construction ? Pictures please ...

I agree :)

Latest pictures from the official website

http://www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/nuevoestadio/images/obras/0016.jpg

http://www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/nuevoestadio/images/obras/0014.jpg

toledotoam-> thank you for explanations :)

Well, the east lower tier was dismantled. How the lower tier is gonna be transformable from football-only to Olympic track, it's still a closely-guarded mystery.

Well, the east lower tier was dismantled. How the lower tier is gonna be transformable from football-only to Olympic track, it's still a closely-guarded mystery.

It is not a mistery, just take a look at the project pictures ...

Well, the east lower tier was dismantled. How the lower tier is gonna be transformable from football-only to Olympic track, it's still a closely-guarded mystery.

From the renders it would appear the middle executive tier (the current lower tier that has been dismantled that you have referenced) will go down to the current field level which would also be the height for the athletic track if they use it and the lower tier would be below that again. Not a mystery at all really Jimbo

On any doubt that you have on the stadium do not hesitate to ask me, I will answer you inside my possibilities. Certainly, the final capacity they are 67.500 spectators in football and 60.000 with tracks of athletics.

What is the capacity of each of the three tiers and the full capacity of the stadium? I'm a little confused.

Surely the lower-tier holds more than 7500 people? How can it have an athletics capacity of 60k?

The lowest tier of this stadium is gonna be complicated. Also, I doubt Atletico is gonna fill this 75k-or-so stadium up to capacity.

The lowest tier of this stadium is gonna be complicated. Also, I doubt Atletico is gonna fill this 75k-or-so stadium up to capacity.

Is it likely to be that complicated though Jim? From the looks of the renders, there are no entry or exit points midway down the tier, rather they'd be at the rear. As this would be at current ground level, the lower tier isn't that complicated at all, all it requires is the digging down to the lower level to allow the tiers installation.

The lowest tier of this stadium is gonna be complicated. Also, I doubt Atletico is gonna fill this 75k-or-so stadium up to capacity.

Actually Jim, it wont. As the stadium will be the permanent home of Athletico, it's not really designed with athletics in mind!

As a sop to a possible Olympic bid by Madrid, they have followed the original plan proposed by Wembley years ago (which never happened).
This would involve the building of a platform over the lower tier for the Athletics track and field.

Pro's:
It's a football stadium with stands close to the pitch
No expensive retractable seating etc.

Con's
If (very big if!!!!!!) Madrid win the Olympics, the stadium cant be used during the transformation and the re-transformation.

^^^^

^^ bjCak95mxU0


Go to 4.00 mins and it shows the process for conversion to Athletics mode.

^^^^
Go to 4.00 mins and it shows the process for conversion to Athletics mode.

process? what process? fill with dirt?

Pretty much. What are the capacities of the three tiers?

As Jim856796 is a massive fan of athlectic stadiums it'd be interesting to see his take on the conversion from football-only to a multipurpose venue.

Overall a great looking project I think anyway

The stadium's new lowest tier is gonna be too big. The difference between the renovated stadium's athletics and football capacities needs to be minimized.

The stadium's new lowest tier is gonna be too big. The difference between the renovated stadium's athletics and football capacities needs to be minimized.

So Jim, they should make the lower tier smaller taking the fans further away from the pitch? Good luck convincing the tens of thousands of Athletico fans who are already unsure of the move. :ohno:

Not gonna happen i'm afraid. You seem to missing the point of the last 3 pages of this thread. The football club and Madrid's council aren't really interested in Athletics!!

They just wanted a solution to an empty, never gonna be finished white-elephant of a stadium and their new park plans in the area of the Vicente Calderon.

The Athletic's option chosen shows that! Its just a fudge/compromise (which I imagine they hope never happens) to keep the Spanish Olympic association happy.

process? what process? fill with dirt?

Yeah looks that way but I imagine that they would build a temporary platform but probably couldn't be bothered to show detail in the video :lol:

You seem to missing the point of the last 3 pages of this thread. The football club and Madrid's council aren't really interested in Athletics!!

Don't be getting mental with other users, grass-grazer bug. I don't need any more "You seem to's", and I'm growling at you for this. You're already on my ignore list.

They just wanted a solution to an empty, never gonna be finished white-elephant of a stadium and their new park plans in the area of the Vicente Calderon.

The Athletic's option chosen shows that! Its just a fudge/compromise (which I imagine they hope never happens) to keep the Spanish Olympic association happy.

I'm just trying to say that the lowest tier can be as close to the football pitch as possible while minimizing the potential difference between athletics and football-only capacities. The tier does not need to be very steep.

You're on his ignore list Andy-i! :lol: :nuts:

The lowest tier of this stadium is gonna be complicated. Also, I doubt Atletico is gonna fill this 75k-or-so stadium up to capacity.

Does Barcelona fill their stadium? Does Real? No, so stfu.

^^stfu yourself. Their stadiums have capacities over 80,000 and Barcelona and Real are very popular football teams.

Pretty much. What are the capacities of the three tiers?

I guess nobody know this then.

I'm just trying to say that the lowest tier can be as close to the football pitch as possible while minimizing the potential difference between athletics and football-only capacities. The tier does not need to be very steep.
And in which image did you see it being anything close to the word 'steep'? It's as flat as a pencake...

^^stfu yourself. Their stadiums have capacities over 80,000 and Barcelona and Real are very popular football teams.
And Atletico is a 5th league amateur team, right? A club that sells 47,000 season tickets has to be regarded as one of the largest in Europe because in fact it IS one of the largest. Check out the numbers of other clubs to realize that very few teams come close to this. So why would Atletico supporters not deserve a new, modern and higher-standard stadium? Why should Atletico not aspire to being in the top 20-30 of Europe? I don't think anyone claims it will oversom Real and Barca, but trying to be competetive is nothign wrong.

I guess nobody know this then.
Rob, I'm pretty sure the answer is somewhere in the previous pages, have a look.

Rob, I'm pretty sure the answer is somewhere in the previous pages, have a look.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=86729362&postcount=198

Thanks RMB2007.

So, the athletics capacity is in fact going to be 49,000 if it involves removing that lower tier!

^^Told you the difference was gonna be too excessive. :bash: