View Full Version : Do your country's motorways/dual carriageways have this divergence bollard?
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 12:54 AM http://www.rennicks.com/userimgs/1121882063.47483675.php6EPupS.jpg
I've seen this on my travels in continental Europe. But like 'happy car', it seems to be one of those things that much of Europe has, but the UK doesn't. I can't remember where, but to my surprise, I found a photo of a new Chinese motorway, which had one of these, identical to the ones you get in France. I'd always seen these things as a uniquely continental Europe thing, because I don't think you get them in the US or anywhere like that.
Also, the website I got that photo from (after much googling, so you knew what I was going on about), is a sign/bollard manufacturer based in Ireland, but I'm not aware that Ireland uses these either.
Just how common are these bollards in Europe? How common are they on other continents? I know that France & Spain use them, and that they look identical in both countries (no obvious design differences). Also, do you think they're really necessary, as the UK, US don't have them and get by fine. Also, feel free to add any other weird/unusual/country-specific street furniture.
RawLee July 15th, 2008, 12:59 AM Yes,pretty common,especially on motorways/expressways:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4669/resizeofimg2448ky9.jpg
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 01:01 AM ^^ That's Hungary then?
Why's it us good old Brits that always have to be different, even in the most slightest of ways? :)
Mateusz July 15th, 2008, 01:01 AM Hmm... In Poland there are some on S3 near Gorzów Wielkopolski
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 01:05 AM Boo, we're missing out. There must be a European country other than the UK (and Ireland, I guess) that doesn't bother with these. Do the Scandinavian countries, or former USSR have them?
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 01:09 AM Poland doesn't seem to use the same design as the one RawLee posted, which is the specific type I'm talking about...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/smar/A2%20Wielkanoc/Konin-Ozorkow/IMG_2517.jpg
Mateusz July 15th, 2008, 01:14 AM Poland doesn't seem to use the same design as the one RawLee posted, which is the specific type I'm talking about...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/smar/A2%20Wielkanoc/Konin-Ozorkow/IMG_2517.jpg
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/Szumaher/S3/ZOG/IMG_0669.jpg
I mean them :cheers:
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 01:17 AM Cool. Welcome to the EU. ^_^
I take it that the one I posted was an old style one?
Mateusz July 15th, 2008, 01:19 AM Probably, but I am not sure. Other Polish forumers might know better but I this you are right.
Patrick July 15th, 2008, 01:33 AM these are not used in Germany
http://rippachtal.de/05/A05-1-24-40.jpg
http://rippachtal.de/05/A05-1-25-40.jpg
rippachtal.de
http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Bildergalerie/a5-frda-13.jpg
autobahnatlas-online.de
radi6404 July 15th, 2008, 01:37 AM I quite like them.
GENIUS LOCI July 15th, 2008, 01:51 AM Italy
http://www.nonsolotigullio.com/chiavari/foto/chiavari_autostrada.jpg
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 01:57 AM ^ Yellow? You rebels! ^_^
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 02:03 AM France
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee235/Gareth_Parr/FranceBollard.jpg
Spain
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee235/Gareth_Parr/SpainBollard.jpg
China
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee235/Gareth_Parr/ChinaBollard.jpg
UK
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee235/Gareth_Parr/UKbollard.jpg
Patrick July 15th, 2008, 02:21 AM <= :( oi !
at least you're not the only one in Europe ;)
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 02:25 AM Indeed. Nice to know that the great land of Germany doesn't. Finland doesn't neither, from photos I've just seen. :)
odlum833 July 15th, 2008, 02:59 AM Yes,pretty common,especially on motorways/expressways:
Yes, there are some on motorways in Ireland. Not many though.
Patrick July 15th, 2008, 05:13 AM Luxemburg have some, not everywhere
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/Luxemburg/A13/IMG_4000.JPG
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/Luxemburg/A6/IMG_4070.JPG
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/Luxemburg/A3/IMG_4044.JPG
Apparently, neither the Netherlands don't seem to have them
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/niederlande/a15/Bild%20270.jpg
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/niederlande/a15/Bild%20247.jpg
Nor Belgium
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/belgien/ring%20brussel/P3110234.JPG
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/belgien/a1/Bild%20395.jpg
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/belgien/A27/ri%20Deutschland/Bild%20419.jpg
Nor in Austria
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/austria/A1%20Ri%20Salzburg/Bild%20272.jpg
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/austria/a14/Ri%20Bregenz/PB120668.JPG
http://autobahn-bilder.de/images/austria/A9%20Ri%20Graz/Bild%20086.jpg
But in Switzerland
http://www.autobahnen.ch/images/pic00956.jpg
elgoyo July 15th, 2008, 05:25 AM in mexico we have some of those, they are sometimes placed when the security rail has sharp corner to protect the drivers when in coalition with the corner (which happens very often to drunken people)
ChrisZwolle July 15th, 2008, 08:30 AM No, we don't have them in the Netherlands.
Alex Von Königsberg July 15th, 2008, 09:00 AM The former USSR countries also don't use them.
keber July 15th, 2008, 10:45 AM Neither Slovenia except on some toll stations.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z202/keber1/lj%20obvoznica/LJobv-35.jpg
X236K July 15th, 2008, 02:16 PM I haven't seen any in Czech yet... well, I don't remember seeing that...
Timoth12 July 15th, 2008, 02:46 PM I think they are not installed in Slovakia. Most of the divergence bollards look like this:
http://www.dialnice.info/album_pic.php?pic_id=1639
Timon91 July 15th, 2008, 03:11 PM ^^That is quite a dangerous place to stop your car, even if the police forces you.
In NL I've never seen this one, but we have other ones.
Norsko July 15th, 2008, 03:24 PM In Norway I have only seen those things separating the lines between toll booths, but I have only seen them in yellow colour.
Gareth July 15th, 2008, 03:57 PM The closest thing we're got to this in the UK is this...
http://www.rennicks.com/userimgs/bits/rennicks/trafsigns/icon/Illuminated__Bollard__K90.jpg
But you never find it of motorways, usually just built up areas.
JloKyM July 15th, 2008, 04:04 PM We have them in Bulgaria too, At least in Sofia there are everywhere and they're yellow. :):cheers:
ChrisZwolle July 15th, 2008, 04:14 PM http://www.crow.nl/img/fromdb/vp_2352_50x120.jpg
x-type July 15th, 2008, 04:45 PM in Croatia we have them and they are yellow :D
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o197/deko1243/DSC_5327.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/A1/A1_put_u_sibenik/DSC00505.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/A1/A1_put_u_sibenik/DSC00499.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/A1/A1_put_u_sibenik/DSC00470.jpg
ea1969 July 15th, 2008, 08:03 PM They are used in Greece too - in green.
Onur July 15th, 2008, 09:51 PM As traffic sign, yes.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/ont1991/PC200017.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/Istanbullu/Kamil_Buke_Resim17.jpg
ChrisZwolle July 15th, 2008, 10:09 PM Apparantly, we have some sort of gore point signage.
Low version:
http://i36.************/2qan15d.jpg
High version (behind the overpass).
http://i35.************/3465jsl.jpg
It looks like they're choosen randomly, often, the aren't placed at all.
Rebasepoiss July 15th, 2008, 10:59 PM Estonia doesn't use them either...
thun July 16th, 2008, 12:01 AM Actually, what are they good for? Just signing the separation of lanes, that can be done by normal signs as well... and regarding the fact that we're talking about motorways, they can' really offer more security because they're simple plastic as far as I can see.
Gareth July 16th, 2008, 01:25 AM Interesting. Ireland does have these. Is this a recent developement, as I've never noticed these before, when looking at pictures of Irish motorways...
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee235/Gareth_Parr/IrishOffRamp.jpg
TheCat July 16th, 2008, 01:34 AM Well, most places that supposedly do not have these bollards have reflective (usually striped) signs at the point of divergence, although not everywhere. They are important at night or in conditions of limited visibility, as they reflect brightly and essentially scream at you that you are about to run into a wall :)
This particular design, however, is somewhat unique (I believe originally used by the French?), although it has been adopted in some other European countries and, interestingly enough, in China.
Gareth July 16th, 2008, 01:54 AM Britain, Finland, much of the former USSR and (at least I thought) most North American states/provinces don't use anything. Someone mention that you find that design in parts of Mexico. It'd be great to see examples of this, or in other parts of North/South America.
TheCat July 16th, 2008, 03:27 AM ^^ Well, we do have them in Ontario:
http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_401_images/401_cl_344_east.jpg
You can also see some sort of barrels to dampen a potential impact.
RV July 16th, 2008, 04:57 PM Nah, Finland and Sweden do not have them.
pilotos July 16th, 2008, 05:12 PM Greece(Attiki odos):
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/140449138_88470f5122_o.jpg
The Knowledgeable July 16th, 2008, 05:18 PM In Israel either we have these blue divergence signs like in the UK or we don't have anything.
http://www.mifgaim.co.il/media/Picture%20020(5).jpg
x-type July 16th, 2008, 05:27 PM i thought that yellow ones are more common, but it seems that only Italy and Croatia use yellow instead of green
Gareth July 16th, 2008, 09:15 PM ^^ Well, we do have them in Ontario:
http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_401_images/401_cl_344_east.jpg
You can also see some sort of barrels to dampen a potential impact.
That's not the actual design I'm talking about though. Most countries have some sort of marker at that place, but the UK, and seemingly many US states, don't have anything there whatsoever.
WalkTheWorld July 17th, 2008, 09:28 AM The closest thing we're got to this in the UK is this...
http://www.rennicks.com/userimgs/bits/rennicks/trafsigns/icon/Illuminated__Bollard__K90.jpg
But you never find it of motorways, usually just built up areas.
The Silent Policeman.
Love it.
WalkTheWorld July 17th, 2008, 09:31 AM Actually, what are they good for? Just signing the separation of lanes, that can be done by normal signs as well... and regarding the fact that we're talking about motorways, they can' really offer more security because they're simple plastic as far as I can see.
Don't know for sure but it seems it's somewhat soft plastic, with air inside and it's a bit heavy and loosely attached to the pavement. Hitting a divergence is obviously not a desirabe event and it can only happen to drunk/sleepy drivers. I guess it can somewhat mitigate the effects of an impact which is not going to take place at full speed and 90° angles anyway.
Or so I guess.
GENIUS LOCI July 17th, 2008, 10:09 AM Don't know for sure but it seems it's somewhat soft plastic, with air insideActually after their placement they puor water in till fill'em at least half their volume
That makes 'em more stable and effective in case of impact
Gareth July 17th, 2008, 08:12 PM I did see one that had been hit, somewhere on the south of France. It was dented right in the middle, but still in its holding place.
I never knew about the water thing though.
ChrisZwolle July 17th, 2008, 08:28 PM ^^ You can see the water thing showcased in the movie "Speed".
But how about this:
vNQnDqZiaqY
Timon91 July 17th, 2008, 08:36 PM ^^I had seen this one before. Very unlikely that a divergence bollard can carry so much water in it :D
GENIUS LOCI July 18th, 2008, 10:22 AM But how about this:
vNQnDqZiaqYOMG!!!! :eek:
bgplayer19 July 18th, 2008, 04:05 PM i thought that yellow ones are more common, but it seems that only Italy and Croatia use yellow instead of green
Bulgaria uses them too :):):)
http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l326/bgplayer19/16072008414.jpg
Energy2003 July 18th, 2008, 05:09 PM never seen them in austria. we just have self glowing signs insteed
i think switzerland has
DanielFigFoz July 18th, 2008, 05:34 PM For the UK it's already said so in Portugal they are like this:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8882/8c036qk0.jpg
I think there are pebbles inside them.
TheCat July 18th, 2008, 07:32 PM That's not the actual design I'm talking about though. Most countries have some sort of marker at that place, but the UK, and seemingly many US states, don't have anything there whatsoever.
I know, it's just that you said that in North America most jurisdictions don't have anything whatsoever, so I showed that in Ontario (which is in North America) we do have markers :).
ChrisZwolle July 18th, 2008, 08:51 PM Senegal has them!
http://www.au-senegal.com/IMG/jpg/tunnel-fann.jpg
TheCat July 18th, 2008, 09:21 PM ^^ Probably because Senegal was a French colony.
LMCA1990 July 18th, 2008, 10:10 PM http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_401_images/401_cl_344_east.jpg
^^ The sameare used here in Colombia :yes:
Maxx☢Power July 19th, 2008, 04:35 PM Actually, what are they good for? Just signing the separation of lanes, that can be done by normal signs as well... and regarding the fact that we're talking about motorways, they can' really offer more security because they're simple plastic as far as I can see.
I really like these and think they should be used everywhere. They're very intuitive; their function is to tell drivers they have to go on either side of it and two arrows to the side does that very effectively.
I like those barrels with water too, they look good in slow mo in the movies :D But I guess most motorways in Europe use some sort of crumple zone for that..
RipleyLV July 19th, 2008, 04:45 PM Latvia doesn't use them!
Onur September 20th, 2008, 10:03 PM On an urban avenue in Antalya;
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/ont1991/P9080297.jpg
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