Closed type league?

My dream is to have 2 Cro clubs in Euroleague again.. Cibona didn't pass qualifiers this season :(

KK Split has brand new fantastic venue for 12k, Zadar has new 9k Arena.. but they both got relegated.. once famous clubs.. winners of everything possible :(

Closed type league?

My dream is to have 2 Cro clubs in Euroleague again.. Cibona didn't pass qualifiers this season :(

KK Split has brand new fantastic venue for 12k, Zadar has new 9k Arena.. but they both got relegated.. once famous clubs.. winners of everything possible :(

You mean Spaladium Arena (10931 seats) and Krešimir Ćosić Hall (10000 seats) ? :) I forgot about that :)

Yea.. those two. But those two clubs are bad this days. Both got relegated from ABA.

Warsaw should get 15-20k arena in the "near" future. Legia team is gaining popularity(so far in lower leagues :P )

Krakow has 15k arena U/C (Wisla-woman team is doing quite well in euroleage)

Slask Wroclaw is back on the map.

I think basketball is slowly standing up from knees in Poland.

Warsaw should get 15-20k arena in the "near" future. Legia team is gaining popularity(so far in lower leagues :P )

Krakow has 15k arena U/C (Wisla-woman team is doing quite well in euroleage)

Slask Wroclaw is back on the map.

I think basketball is slowly standing up from knees in Poland.

ye, I know about big arena in Warsaw, but Krakow I think, can't have strong team.

why? With students, workers and tourists it's 1m city.

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why? With students, workers and turists is 1m city.

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maybe, I really don't know a lot of about Poland teams :)

GALATASARAY MEDICAL PARK - Abdi Ipekci Sports Hall (12500 seats)

Maybe GS will get an A-license next season.
Abdi Ipekçi is 11,300, but here are rumours that the club will built a new Arena for 12,000-15,000.

This week they will play against CSKA and again (4th time) all tickets sold out withing few days.


And BTW Ankara has got also a new Arena.
Ankara Arena has got a capacity of 10.339.
But not such a good one for Basketball
http://images.tmcnet.com/featurestory/ap/2010/08/29/Turkey-World-Basketball-Championship-JPEG-3.jpg

GS won't get A license.. no way there will be that many teams from Turkey.

They should kick out Efes. No fans, just money. :D

They have fans.. they just don't have ultras :)

Their arena is always quite full in Euroleague.

Free tickets like Fener last year :)

Red Star Belgrade also just recently announced plans to build a brand new 11-12,000 seat arena - the goal of course is to play Euroleague games there eventually.

Let me guess.. their plan to complete the venue is "sledeće sezone"? (exyu folk related joke) :D

FMP has those plans for years.. so i'm a bit sceptical about it.. why couldn't they just use BGA?

i like how stadiums and arenas in europe and asia look like
they have a complete look , clean and modern, simple and sporty

Maybe GS will get an A-license next season.
Abdi Ipekçi is 11,300, but here are rumours that the club will built a new Arena for 12,000-15,000.

This week they will play against CSKA and again (4th time) all tickets sold out withing few days.


And BTW Ankara has got also a new Arena.
Ankara Arena has got a capacity of 10.339.
But not such a good one for Basketball
http://images.tmcnet.com/featurestory/ap/2010/08/29/Turkey-World-Basketball-Championship-JPEG-3.jpg

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_%C4%B0pek%C3%A7i_Arena

so, 12500 :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_%C4%B0pek%C3%A7i_Arena
11,300 :D

Actually 12,500 is the old capacity.
1986-mid 1990s the capacity was 15,000
Mid 1990s-2001: 12,500
2001-2010: 10,550
2010-:11,300

And BTW Ankara has got also a new Arena.
Ankara Arena has got a capacity of 10.339.
But not such a good one for Basketball
http://images.tmcnet.com/featurestory/ap/2010/08/29/Turkey-World-Basketball-Championship-JPEG-3.jpg

Why not good for basketball?

Looks great on this photo. And its big enough for euroleague.

stands are not formed around the basketball court.

Let me guess.. their plan to complete the venue is "sledeće sezone"? (exyu folk related joke) :D
:lol:

Maybe GS will get an A-license next season.
Abdi Ipekçi is 11,300, but here are rumours that the club will built a new Arena for 12,000-15,000.
3 big and great arena in Istanbul + Abdi Ipekci,to much? I know for olimpic games possibility but.....

BTW..KK Partizan Beograd is next in line for A-license,GS must wait couple years for that.... :D.

They should kick out Efes. No fans, just money. :D
Is it possible something like Fener + Ulker.....Efes + GS?

no because efes president is a bjk fan.

Fiba is international!!http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

Maybe Abdi Ipekci will be demolished or Besiktas will use it.

Yes, Efes will never merge. IMO they should move to Izmir.

Fiba is international!!http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

FIBA is meaningless in modern basketball. NBA and ULEB run the show.

Maybe Abdi Ipekci will be demolished or Besiktas will use it.

Yes, Efes will never merge. IMO they should move to Izmir.

EFES was 4th most attended team in last season. Just because their fans aren't as loud as Fener's doesn't mean theyre any less significant. Its major European bball team. It would be sin to move or merge them with non Istanbul based team.

But at Izmir their attendance could be better :)
Because of the GS and FB "are back" the attendance od Efes will sink.

In the 70s-90s, GS and FB were not so good and the clubs planned to close the Basketball section.

Fener fans mostly supported Eczacıbaşı SK (Basketball section closed 1992. 8x champion) and GS fans supported Efes.

Fener had 500 people on their matches even after the merger with Ulker.. i remember one game against Cibona.. there was absolutely no one in Abdi Ipekci.

They got big just 2, 3 years ago.

Because of that Efes and FB started to give free tickets, otherwise they would have lost the A license.

stands are not formed around the basketball court.

OK, it's a typical multi purpouse arena. But there are 2 big temporary stands so I don't see a problem.

http://www.tribundergi.com/forum/download/file.php?id=51183&mode=view

unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable

Galatasaray 68-64 CSKA.

I hope next year Palau Sant Jordi, on the Barcelona Regal's Euroleague matches, will have the same attendance as this year's Copa del rey.
From the yesterday's match.
http://pic.mk/images/yvXRV.jpg

Kraków Arena (capacity: 15 328) is already U/C

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2359/sshckelevationnight.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7783/dscf0580s.jpg

amateur interior 3d model by Sponsor

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/88/czyzynyrenderinteriorpn.png

It could be hell for other teams to play here with such big fanbase as in Krakow however it won't be typical basketball arena because it is multi-use :(







probably two clubs will use it:

Wisla Krakow

http://static1.fbcdn.pl/images/herby/17408.jpg

Women team is doing quite well in Euroleague, Men's team currently sucks(they are in lower league)

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I think situation for Men's team may change with new "home" arena for Wisla.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4182/28147781.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1033/77690580.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7523/23498831.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6425/76799692.jpg

unfortunantely construction was delayed... :( (for couple years)

Cracovia will use arena probably for hockey

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/18908/ankieta_herb_cracovia.jpeg

http://cracovia.pl/hokej/files_pl/file_121787/Cracovia_Mistrzem_41.645x365xffffff_1

Not really Euroleague if there's no team there..

Well I'm rather talking about future(currently no good men's team in Krakow and arena is not finished).

Wisla is 6x champion of Poland, had silver and bronze EuroBasket medalists so I think there is hope for them.

90's and 00's were hard times for Polish basketball- multiple champions like Slask Wroclaw, Legia Warsaw, Lech Poznan and
Wisla ended in lower leagues or stopped to exist.

Situation is slowly improving- we have seen for example reincarnation of Slask Wroclaw in top level basketball.

I hope next year Palau Sant Jordi, on the Barcelona Regal's Euroleague matches, will have the same attendance as this year's Copa del rey.
From the yesterday's match.
http://pic.mk/images/yvXRV.jpg

Surprise;
Barça just anounce they won't use San Jordi in Euroleague next season, and they renounce to the A-License. Apparently the want to press ACB to be reduced to 14 (-ACB, +EL). So they can "sell" that contraction to smaller teams, they want to sugest the places in Euroleague are awarded to best performance teams.

The source here:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120218/baloncesto/euroliga/reduccion-de-equipos-a-cambio-de-euroliga_54257044239.html

Surprise;
Barça just anounce they won't use San Jordi in Euroleague next season, and they renounce to the A-License. Apparently the want to press ACB to be reduced to 14 (-ACB, +EL). So they can "sell" that contraction to smaller teams, they want to sugest the places in Euroleague are awarded to best performance teams.

The source here:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120218/baloncesto/euroliga/reduccion-de-equipos-a-cambio-de-euroliga_54257044239.html

I'm quite disappointed with this. Although I fancy Real finally to win the Liga Endesa (ACB) title, especially after this weekend's Copa del Ray triumph, I still want to see Barcelona Regal playing Euroleague matches with huge attendance. We saw this weekend that there can be 10 000 Barcelona fans at every match, so I hope that in Euroleague, just because of the arena will be more fans than now. I hope they will change their mind, although is fact that Barcelona Regal has poor attendance on their matches against small teams and against top teams, like Caja Laboral, Unicaja, Valencia, Montepaschi or Panathinaikos the have only 5-6000 fans.
I like this advise do cut Liga Endesa's number of teams, because I think with smaller league there'll be much more quality games.

Barca kinda struggles in attendance in both basketball and handball.. even tho they are recent Euro champs in both... i remember '90s period when Blaugrana was packed like mad in both those sports. What happened? New generations follow only football? Tickets are expensive?

There was like 3.5k people in last handball match there vs Zagreb few days ago.. in '90s during the big rivalry between the two teams you couldn't get a ticket..

Surprise;
Barça just anounce they won't use San Jordi in Euroleague next season, and they renounce to the A-License. Apparently the want to press ACB to be reduced to 14 (-ACB, +EL). So they can "sell" that contraction to smaller teams, they want to sugest the places in Euroleague are awarded to best performance teams.

The source here:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120218/baloncesto/euroliga/reduccion-de-equipos-a-cambio-de-euroliga_54257044239.html

for me it's surprise... :O I really want to see Barsa in Palau Sant Jordi :)

Barca kinda struggles in attendance in both basketball and handball.. even tho they are recent Euro champs in both... i remember '90s period when Blaugrana was packed like mad in both those sports. What happened? New generations follow only football? Tickets are expensive?

There was like 3.5k people in last handball match there vs Zagreb few days ago.. in '90s during the big rivalry between the two teams you couldn't get a ticket..

You're right. I remember few years ago, when HC Vardar was playing against handball section of FC Barcelona, there were 3-3 500 attendance and if I'm honest Vardar was very unattractive team. I watched the last match against Zagreb and there were exactly 2.587 spectators (this number is from the official FCB site). In my opinion, this is because in the past they were way behind Real Madrid, even Valencia and since they started to win the La Liga, they left out the support for other teams. But my hopes are high since I watched the last weeks Copa del Rey, because there were many spectators on the game against team like Lucentum Alicante.
And as I saw on their official site, the tickets aren't so expensive. Maybe if there is some Barcelona fan who is reading this thread could answer this. Now when Real Madrid Baloncesto is getting more stronger, it's a shame Barcelona not to compare them with the number of spectators.

Rebirth of 17x champion of Poland- Slask Wroclaw. They play in top division now again.

Hala Stulecia- 10k so they could play in Euroleague

http://slask.wroclaw.pl/img,news,zdjecie-23852.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14848901/DSC_4371%20copy.jpg
corckie

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1128/imgp0018filtered.jpg
cappo di tutti capi

team played in Eurolegue in the past

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I'm sorry, but..... WTF is THAT?? :lol:

Probably the only possibility to play basketball at UNESCO site ;) http://www.halastulecia.pl/web/guest/home-odw

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/journal/article?img_id=29143&t=1328692074404

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/image_gallery?img_id=27040&t=1329877694942%20largeImageId=27040

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/image_gallery?img_id=29499&t=1329877472260%20largeImageId=29499

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/image_gallery?img_id=29515&t=1329877472269%20largeImageId=29515

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/image_gallery?img_id=27028&t=1329877562861%20largeImageId=27028

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/image_gallery?img_id=26915&t=1329878184989%20largeImageId=26915

http://www.halastulecia.pl/image/image_gallery?img_id=27142&t=1329878519143%20largeImageId=27142



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Hall

Max Berg really had a stroke of genius with the Centenial Hall, if there ever was a Cathedral of sports (architecturally speaking) this is it. I know the layout is a bit quirky for basketball or handball, but where else do you find an interior this dramatic?

Rebirth of 17x champion of Poland- Slask Wroclaw. They play in top division now again.

Hala Stulecia- 10k so they could play in Euroleague


Unfortunately i doubt that we'll see any other Polish team in Euroleague that isn't Prokom. They got the A type license and they are protected for at least few more years.

Vitorias's Buesa Arena reopened, but the expansion seats are not open to public.

http://vitoriaenconstruccion.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/zurbano-1.jpg

http://vitoriaenconstruccion.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/05-02-2012-71.jpg

http://vitoriaenconstruccion.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/05-02-2012-51.jpg
source: http://vitoriaenconstruccion.wordpress.com/

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lDf7rmBZlPg/TzEd_1jHbdI/AAAAAAAABME/6oWGpprQVWU/s1600/P2050020.JPG
http://ampliacionbuesaarena.blogspot.com/

P.S.:sorry for the images size

http://www.tribundergi.com/forum/download/file.php?id=51183&mode=view

unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable

Galatasaray 68-64 CSKA.

If Galatasaray manages to get into the top 8 there is no way that it will get free pass to Euroleague next season. The popularity of Basketball has been increasing each year so as the budgets of the clubs. Turkey can handle with 3 teams in Euroleague easily ^^

Yet they lost against Besiktas the other day...

Here is the standings in Tbl (turkish basketball league) http://basketbol.tblstat.net/standings.asp
You can understand the toughness of the league by looking at the standings.By the way Recall :Beşiktaş is also a nice team Allen Iverson and Deron Williams were their former players.

Besiktas is a joke of a team. They got schooled by mediocre teams in Europe. Having one or two stars doesn't mean anything if you don't have anyone else.

EFES wanted to leave Turkish league and join ABA already previous season.. honestly.. i can see them and Fener joining in next 2, 3 years.

Besiktas is a joke of a team. They got schooled by mediocre teams in Europe. Having one or two stars doesn't mean anything if you don't have anyone else.

EFES wanted to leave Turkish league and join ABA already previous season.. honestly.. i can see them and Fener joining in next 2, 3 years.

My point was not Beşiktaş. What i am trying to say is that if Galatasaray successes to get into top 8 then it will get a freepass to Euroleague with a high possibility .

Some team would have to loose a license in order for them to gain one.. and i don't see that happening in near future. More/less everyone is stable now.

If GS keeps on investing in their team it shouldn't be a problem to pass the qualifiers... teams are not really that good there.

Vitorias's Buesa Arena reopened, but the expansion seats are not open to public.


Why the expansion seats are not used yet? Are they wait for the next season Euroleague, or for the Liga Endesa playoffs or there is some problem?

Why the expansion seats are not used yet? Are they wait for the next season Euroleague, or for the Liga Endesa playoffs or there is some problem?

They're still finishing services like bathrooms, electricity, etc...
It seems that it will be ready for the playoffs

Looking for Euroleague team's budgets, I found this list for 2011-2012 season:

1. CSKA - €30 million euros

2. Barcelona - €28.5 million euros

3. Panathinaikos - €24 million euros

4. Real Madrid - €24 million euros

5. Efes - €23 million euros

6. Fenerbahce - €23 million euros

7. Olympiacos - €21.5 million euros

8. Maccabi - €19 million euros

9. Siena - €18 million euros

10. Baskonia - €17.5 million euros

11. Malaga - €17 million euros

12. Milan - €15 million euros

13. UNICS - €11.5 million euros

14. Zalgiris - €10.5 million euros

15. Bilbao - €10 million euros

16. Galatasaray - €9 million euros

17. Cantu - €8.5 million euros

18. Brose - €8 million euros

19. Zagreb - €5.5 million euros

20. SLUC - €5 million euros

21. Olimpija - €5 million euros

22. Spirou - €5 million euros

23. Prokom - €4.5 million euros

24. Partizan - €4 million euros

Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250342
There's also something new - no A license anymore.
And about Siena's arena - They were building a new 11,000 seat arena, but then they started to delay the project.
But i didn't find the answer, are they started to build, do they have project or this is some speculation?

Very interesting list N23SK. Also interesting thread on the link, but can someone explain this franchise thing???

How much money do euroleague teams get from uleb per game or per win ?

I read somewhere about last season that for win they received 7000 euros and for winning title 500 000 euros. But it was also said that this years prices will be bigger and more respectable.

Here are budgets from season 2007/2008 in dollars.

Baltic:
Zalgiris Kaunas (Euroleague) 7,000,000
Lietuvos Rytas (Euroleague) 11,000,000
Turof (Polish team) 5,460,000
Alba Berlin 9,360,000
Dynamo Kiev 11,000,000

Adriatic:
Montepaschi Siena (Euroleague) 17,160,000
Virtus Bologna (Euroleague) 14,000,000
Lyon Villeurbanne 7,500,000
Cibona Zagreb (Euroleague) 4,680,000
Olimpia (Euroleague) 3,120,000

Spain:
Real Madrid (Euroleague) 39,000,000
FC AXA Barcelona (Euroleague) 34,320,000
Tau Vitoria (Euroleague) 31,200,000
Badalona 12,480,000
Unicaja Malaga (Euroleague) 28,080,000

Russia:
CSKA Moscow (Euroleague) 50,000,000
Kimki 18,000,000
Dynamo Moscow 20,000,000
Unix(Russian) 14,000,000
Dynamo Moscow region 14,000,000

Balkans:
Panathinaikos Athens (Euroleague) 42,120,000
Olympiakos Piraeus (Euroleague) 35,880,000
Aris TT Bank (Euroleague) 12,480,000
Partizan Belgrade (Euroleague) 4,680,000
Red Star Belgrade (Euroleague) 3,120,000

Asia:
Maccabi Tel Aviv (Euroleague) 16,000,000
Hapoel Jerusalem 5,000,000
Efes Pilsen (Euroleague) 12,000,000
Fenerbahce Istanbul (Euroleague) 11,000,000
Besictas Istanbul 6,000,000

http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/budgets-of-basketball-clubs-in-europe/

A bit hard to accurately compare with inflation and currency but it seems all but the Turkish teams have reduced their budget, which almost doubled them. That hasn't helped them though.

I cannot fully agree with you. Teams like Zalgiris, Partizan, Maccabi, Montepaschi and EA Milano had raise their budgets with few million euros. Not as turkish teams, but still it cannot be compare those 7 millions dollars that Zalgiris had with 10.5 million euros that they have now. Be aware that the last list shows budgets in dollars, and the first one in euros.

16. Galatasaray - €9 million euros

Damn, we need more money

Yes Zalgiris did increased its budget by a lot, in fact it did doubled it, since we have a new billionaire owner Vladimir Romanov.

16. Galatasaray - €9 million euros

Damn, we need more money

Turkish clubs need financial advisers and sane board before anything.. the bigger the budget the more they throw away on overpaid and useless players which don't bring them anywhere.

Fortunately we do not have that problem at GS. :)

Fortunately we do not have that problem at GS. :)

I like this Galatasaray team. Not as high budget as other turkish teams, but very good selection of players

Turks, with 54 millions of euros spent for 2 and a half clubs :) are out of top 8. Russians with 41.5 have 2/2. Spanish clubs with 97 millions of euros spent have 2/5. Greeks spent 45.5 million of euros and they have 2/2. Italians spent 41.5 millions of euros and they have 1/3.
This math shows that Russians, including the Eurocup with 3 clubs in final eight, spends their money more reasonable than Turks and Italians. I don't count Spanish clubs here because they have rich competition in the name of their Copa del Rey and the most powerful league after NBA, Liga Endesa, so they are focused on 3 strong competitions. We can see how two neighbor countries, Turkey and Greece, with similar mount of money for sports, spend them on different way. PAO and OLY are far better than Fener and Efes, although this two teams spent their money on "stars", while Greeks, for example OLY, with only one player with million wage (Spanoullis) will play in final 8. I agree with SpicyMcHaggis that Turks need to get some advisers. The situation is same with EA7 Milan.

Here are budgets from season 2007/2008 in dollars.

Baltic:
Zalgiris Kaunas (Euroleague) 7,000,000
Lietuvos Rytas (Euroleague) 11,000,000
Turof (Polish team) 5,460,000
Alba Berlin 9,360,000
Dynamo Kiev 11,000,000

Adriatic:
Montepaschi Siena (Euroleague) 17,160,000
Virtus Bologna (Euroleague) 14,000,000
Lyon Villeurbanne 7,500,000
Cibona Zagreb (Euroleague) 4,680,000
Olimpia (Euroleague) 3,120,000

Spain:
Real Madrid (Euroleague) 39,000,000
FC AXA Barcelona (Euroleague) 34,320,000
Tau Vitoria (Euroleague) 31,200,000
Badalona 12,480,000
Unicaja Malaga (Euroleague) 28,080,000

Russia:
CSKA Moscow (Euroleague) 50,000,000
Kimki 18,000,000
Dynamo Moscow 20,000,000
Unix(Russian) 14,000,000
Dynamo Moscow region 14,000,000

Balkans:
Panathinaikos Athens (Euroleague) 42,120,000
Olympiakos Piraeus (Euroleague) 35,880,000
Aris TT Bank (Euroleague) 12,480,000
Partizan Belgrade (Euroleague) 4,680,000
Red Star Belgrade (Euroleague) 3,120,000

Asia:
Maccabi Tel Aviv (Euroleague) 16,000,000
Hapoel Jerusalem 5,000,000
Efes Pilsen (Euroleague) 12,000,000
Fenerbahce Istanbul (Euroleague) 11,000,000
Besictas Istanbul 6,000,000

http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/budgets-of-basketball-clubs-in-europe/

I can't believe, that Rytas budget was biiger than Kaunas. I think, it's mistake.

Why would it be mistake? Zalgiris was on verge of bankruptcy back then..

i also have the same questionhttp://www.poci.info/gif2

I didn't said, that this can't be true, but I think, Rytas never had a lot of money, like 11mln. dollars.

What is the difference we won that season against them in the finals :)

Turkish clubs need financial advisers and sane board before anything.. the bigger the budget the more they throw away on overpaid and useless players which don't bring them anywhere.

More than so true. Turks feeding comissioners for dreams.

At last, good attendance at Palau Blaugrana - 5863.

FC Barcelona Regal - Unics Kazan

http://pic.mk/images/JMneo.jpg
http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/basquet/barca-regal/detall/galeria-d-imatges/fcb-regal-unics-kazan-78-66

Panathinaikos - Maccabi - 18 000

http://pic.mk/images/ViaQB.jpg

At last, good attendance at Palau Blaugrana - 5863.

For Barcelona that is maybe good attendance, but I still thinking, that attendance is still tragedic. Just almost 6000 in Quarterfinals... In Lithuania, in Kaunas, Zalgiris attedance for national championship games are bigger, and we still waiting Lietuvos rytas, so after that attendance will be bigger one more time.

For Pao - it's amazing! Green White are good in all world :)

Looking for Euroleague team's budgets, I found this list for 2011-2012 season:

1. CSKA - €30 million euros

2. Barcelona - €28.5 million euros

3. Panathinaikos - €24 million euros

4. Real Madrid - €24 million euros

5. Efes - €23 million euros

6. Fenerbahce - €23 million euros

7. Olympiacos - €21.5 million euros

8. Maccabi - €19 million euros

9. Siena - €18 million euros

10. Baskonia - €17.5 million euros

11. Malaga - €17 million euros

12. Milan - €15 million euros

13. UNICS - €11.5 million euros

14. Zalgiris - €10.5 million euros

15. Bilbao - €10 million euros

16. Galatasaray - €9 million euros

17. Cantu - €8.5 million euros

18. Brose - €8 million euros

19. Zagreb - €5.5 million euros

20. SLUC - €5 million euros

21. Olimpija - €5 million euros

22. Spirou - €5 million euros

23. Prokom - €4.5 million euros

24. Partizan - €4 million euros

Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250342
There's also something new - no A license anymore.
And about Siena's arena - They were building a new 11,000 seat arena, but then they started to delay the project.
But i didn't find the answer, are they started to build, do they have project or this is some speculation?

I wonder if any of those teams, excluding Maccabi, Baskonia, ¿perhaps Zalgiris? would be able to have more than 10 million euros of budget without subsidies or funding by a big bussiness, football club or millionaire.

For Barcelona that is maybe good attendance, but I still thinking, that attendance is still tragedic. Just almost 6000 in Quarterfinals... In Lithuania, in Kaunas, Zalgiris attedance for national championship games are bigger, and we still waiting Lietuvos rytas, so after that attendance will be bigger one more time.

For Pao - it's amazing! Green White are good in all world :)

the attendance in Barcelona doesn't have to do with lack of interest in the city. It's because some strange ticket offer from the club and club members issue.

I read some time ago about the issue and got this ideas (they cannot be entirely real :) :
-before being season ticket holder you must be club member, and by far the waiting list for new cub member is to get a football season ticket.
-There are enoguh season ticket holders to fill the arena, but thy're cheap enoguh it is "profitable" for some members only show up at three or four "cool* games a year(Madrid, Vitoria, and some "big (famous)" european teams...) That's why hey barely sell tickets for games and so many STH's dont show up at games.

As long as they get more than enough money from the football section, thy don't need to change this. But Barça is ahead with the plan of buildig their own biger new Palau. I can only imagine by then they will have solved the tickets issue (apprently the new arena is the reason the cut budgets in all sport sections but football (handball, futsal, basket, roller hockey, etc...)

the attendance in Barcelona doesn't have to do with lack of interest in the city. It's because some strange ticket offer from the club and club members issue.

I read some time ago about the issue and got this ideas (they cannot be entirely real :) :
-before being season ticket holder you must be club member, and by far the waiting list for new cub member is to get a football season ticket.
-There are enoguh season ticket holders to fill the arena, but thy're cheap enoguh it is "profitable" for some members only show up at three or four "cool* games a year(Madrid, Vitoria, and some "big (famous)" european teams...) That's why hey barely sell tickets for games and so many STH's dont show up at games.

As long as they get more than enough money from the football section, thy don't need to change this. But Barça is ahead with the plan of buildig their own biger new Palau. I can only imagine by then they will have solved the tickets issue (apprently the new arena is the reason the cut budgets in all sport sections but football (handball, futsal, basket, roller hockey, etc...)

But why they can't move to Palau Sant Jordi?

Great thread. :cheers:

I really love basketball. I'm not a football fan. I watch football games but I'd rather watch basketball.

I think the problem with European basketball is that it's not the most popular sport in Europe.
Actually in most European countries basketball isn't even the second most popular sport. :no:

Especially in northern countries like Scandinavian countries England Germany France etc. (Actually in France even cycling has more fans than basketball) :shocked:
The only European country I know that basketball is the Number one sport is Lithuania. :cheers:

Even in countries that they are consider as a power house in basketball like Spain Serbia Russia Greece Italy, basketball comes as the second or third most popular sport. :ohno:

So Europeans seems that are not very interesting for basketball.

That's why I believe that Euroleague will never be able to be a competitive league to the NBA.
Not because of the lack of good players, but because of the lack of fan interest.

Euroleague has to improve its product for sure.
But I am happy ULEB is here instead of Fiba Europe. ULEB looks more professional to me. ULEB gave a different aspect for the game.

The good thing for Fiba basketball was that they changed some very important things which are helping the game to become faster and more offensive.

For example.

They expanded the three point lane to 6,75 and soon they will make it to 7,15 meters.
They changed the shape of the box, and they reduced the attack clock from 30 sec to 24 sec.

NEX STEP about my opinion is to increase game duration to 48 minutes (in order to watch high scores) and allow players to make the first step without given a travelling foul.

After all it's CRAZY to have different game regulations for the same sport.
I don't think that is happening in any other sport !!!
Football has been played with the same regulations all over the world. The same goes with volley ball water polo etc.
Basketball should be played under the same regulations everywhere.

After all it was the Americans who invented the game, so I believe that their regulations are better than Fiba's.
And since they allowed the zone defence in NBA we see more reasonable games.

What I truly HATE in Euroleague teams, is their jerseys and their court arenas.
I HATE the European team names as well. If you are not a European, you can't have a clue of what you are watching in a game Beneton vs Caja laboral. for example !!!!!
The only thing you can assume is that two big brand names, a huge clothing industry and a big bank, are playing a basketball game. :gaah:

Thank god that most of Euro league teams have kept their normal names.
Like CSKA BARCELONA PAO etc.

Can you imagine Barcelona renamed to its sponsor name? Grupo Regal vs Real Madrid. It sounds so awful !!! :lol:
Or Bulls KIA Chicago VS L.A. US Bank Lakers. :lol:

Or imagine that on NBA jerseys.

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2874/28684962.jpg

Instead of this.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/384/90367447.jpg

HILARIOUS :runaway:

But this is very common to Euroleague jerseys. For example. Panathinaikos bc jersey.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e340/skatare/eee.jpg?t=1302802868

You can't even tell which team is this. And if you are not a European you will think that the team's name is Cosmote. :lol:
I found this one on the net and I really like it.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e340/skatare/WWWQQQ.jpg?t=1302804051

Then again, I'm aware that the European teams are based on their sponsor contracts, and their major income comes from the sponsor on jerseys.

I remember the game Olympiacos vs Bulls. I really liked Olympiacos jersey.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZwPaSJzE768/TLzFRGeS3rI/AAAAAAAABow/n-2HRDVBzGw/s1600/jor_b.jpg


(I wish sponsors names would stay only on jerseys though) :ohno:

The sponsors in European basketball are everywhere even ON THE COURT.
And when I say on the court I don't mean around & inside the stadium. I mean on the court floor.

In Euro league you can see different sponsor names on the centre of the court instead of teams badges. You can see them even on the paint. :bash:
About my opinion that makes the court very ugly !!!

There are few teams though that are keeping their court floor clear from sponsors, and they are using their badges on the centre of the court like Barcelona. :cheers:

I know that all these I write above, might look like details to you, but I give a big emphasis in all of these.

As it concerns the Euroleague arenas.

Few teams have their real home courts like Real Madrid.
Most of Euroleague teams playing in rented arenas which belongs most of times to the state.

For example, OAKA sport hall arena belongs to Olympic venues to the Greek state and PAO is rending it.
The arena has blue yellow and white seats, the court's perimeter is blue, and nothing is making you feel that you are in Panathinaikos arena.

As you might know Panathinaikos colours are Green & white. Mainly green.

I really love to see arenas ''painted'' in the colours of the teams. That makes you feel really like Home.

For example instead of this multicoloured OAKA arena

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka3.jpg

I would prefer this !!!

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5247/94440546.jpg



Ok I'm done.
Now you can sue me for three reasons.

A) Because of my lousy English. :lol:
B) Because of this long boring post. :D
C) For my photo-shop with OAKA arena. :D


P.S.

I'm not an American as you can already assumed from my bad English. :lol:
I am from Greece. :D

^yeah that was kinda long

^yeah that was kinda long

Sorry but I can't give you back the 5 minutes of your life you lost by reading my pointless post. :lol:



http://pic.mk/images/ViaQB.jpg


I hate this thing on the Oaka's roof. It supposed to be a video-wall there and not a sheet :lol:
If you don't have money to install a video wall, then leave it as it is !!! :D

They projecting with laser the badge of our team on that sheet. :D

The only good thing with sheets on ceilings instead of having a video wall, is that if it falls down no one will be hurt. :hahano:

FIBA Europe announced on Monday that Szolnoki Olaj KK will host the EuroChallenge 2012 Final Four in Debrecen, Hungary.

The tournament will take place from 27 to 29 April in the state-of-the-art Fönix Hall, the second largest multi-purpose indoor arena in Hungary, with a seating capacity of 8,500.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_AYy7bwisHHwh2JI1GLbdU3.articleMode_on.html



EuroChallenge 2012 Final Four - Debrecen, Hungary

Teams:
Szolnoki Olaj KK - Szolnok, Hungary
Besiktas Milangaz - Turkey
Elan Chalon - France
Triumph Lyubertsy - Russia

Date:
2012. April 27-29.

Location:
Főnix Hall - Debrecen, Hungary

http://www.fonixarena.com/

http://www.felsofokon.hu/sites/default/files/users/turisztikai-latvanyossagok/images/fonix-csarnok-5688.jpg

http://szentkoronaradio.com/files/fonixcsarnok.jpg

http://www.fonixarena.com/uploads/text/23/3b.jpg

http://www.fonixarena.com/galeria/16.jpg

http://http://www.rendezvenyhelyszin.specia.hu/upload/fonix_csarnok_debrecen_kezilabda_2.jpghttp://www.rendezvenyhelyszin.specia.hu/upload/fonix_csarnok_debrecen_kezilabda_2.jpg
http://http://www.rendezvenyhelyszin.specia.hu/upload/fonix_csarnok_debrecen_kezilabda_2.jpg

You will have great competition in Hungary. Beside not quality national team, you have solid basketball clubs and participating of teams like Besiktas and Triumph means that this Eurochallenge F4 will not be so weak.

Which team uses this hall?

FIBA Europe announced on Monday that Szolnoki Olaj KK will host the EuroChallenge 2012 Final Four in Debrecen, Hungary.

The tournament will take place from 27 to 29 April in the state-of-the-art Fönix Hall, the second largest multi-purpose indoor arena in Hungary, with a seating capacity of 8,500.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_AYy7bwisHHwh2JI1GLbdU3.articleMode_on.html



EuroChallenge 2012 Final Four - Debrecen, Hungary

Teams:
Szolnoki Olaj KK - Szolnok, Hungary
Besiktas Milangaz - Turkey
Elan Chalon - France
Triumph Lyubertsy - Russia

Date:
2012. April 27-29.

Location:
Főnix Hall - Debrecen, Hungary

http://www.fonixarena.com/

http://www.felsofokon.hu/sites/default/files/users/turisztikai-latvanyossagok/images/fonix-csarnok-5688.jpg

http://szentkoronaradio.com/files/fonixcsarnok.jpg

http://www.fonixarena.com/uploads/text/23/3b.jpg

http://www.fonixarena.com/galeria/16.jpg

http://http://www.rendezvenyhelyszin.specia.hu/upload/fonix_csarnok_debrecen_kezilabda_2.jpghttp://www.rendezvenyhelyszin.specia.hu/upload/fonix_csarnok_debrecen_kezilabda_2.jpg
http://http://www.rendezvenyhelyszin.specia.hu/upload/fonix_csarnok_debrecen_kezilabda_2.jpg

very nice arena :)

Greek basketball arenas.

Greece has no longer the best European basketball league but could have the best basketball arenas.

Greece build some new indoor arenas for the 2004 Olympic games.
Unfortunately most of these new arenas are not in use. :ohno:

The weak teams of Greek league A1 are so pour and they can't afford to pay a rent for such a big arenas.
Only Olympiacos and Panathinaikos are able to pay a rent for big arenas like SEF arena & OAKA sports hall arena.

Most of weak teams they are playing in small indoor arenas which belongs to the municipality authority. These small arenas are very old and very bad looking.

For example this is the old small arena of Panionios b.c. (Athens)
Looks identical with most small Greek arenas.

http://www.stadia.gr/nsmyrni-b/neasmyrni.jpg
http://stats.onsports.gr/statsapp/uploads/basket/stadiums/1-jpg-65_on.jpg

Capacity 2.600 seats.

Awful ugly arena. :ohno:

Thank god Kolossos Rhode, (a team from Rhodes island) is building a new arena. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z35_NMfQmYM/TudUvq_riUI/AAAAAAAAIs4/DQKvDmv8QII/s1600/KLEISTO.JPG)

I guess the new arena will have at list 3.000 - 4.000 seats.

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The best indoor arenas in Greece are

OAKA (http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/oaka-b-gr.html) arena. 18.500
SEF (http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sef-gr.html) arena. 12.500 (but it looks bad cause there's a track and the stands are so far away from the court)
HELLINIKON (http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon-gr.html) arena. 14.000 (But after the Games of 2004 they reduced its capacity to 11.000 seats :ohno:)
Liossia arena (http://www.stadia.gr/anoliossia/anoliossia-gr.html). 9.400 (No team is using this lovely court)
Faliro arena (http://www.stadia.gr/faliro/faliro-gr.html).(No team is using this lovely court as well)
Galatsi arena. (http://www.stadia.gr/galatsi/galatsi-gr.html) 9.500 (AEK used to rent it but since AEK plays in second division they left the arena. So now is no longer used by any other team) The worse thing is that I heard that someone bought the arena and he will make it a shopping mall :ohno:
Xanthi arena (http://www.stadia.gr/xanthi-b/xanthi-b-gr.html). (Old but looks ok. The building reminds me the SEF arena.)
Peristeri boxing arena (http://www.stadia.gr/peristerinew/peristerinew-gr.html). 8.800 (I don't know if this arena still exist. Peristeri b.c. could leave its old small arena and play here I guess.)
Larisa arena (http://www.stadia.gr/larissa/larissa-gr.html). 4.000
Patra arena (http://www.stadia.gr/tofalos/tofalos-gr.html). 4.000 (Identical with Larisa's arena)
Alexandrio arena (http://www.stadia.gr/alexandrio/alexandrio-gr.html). 5.000 (One of the most historical arenas in Europe)
Paok sports hall arena (http://www.stadia.gr/paok/paok-gr.html). 8.100 (The only basketball arena who belongs to a team.) Paok arena hosted Eurloleage's final four in 2000.
Heraklion arena (http://www.stadia.gr/dyoaorakia/dyoaorakia-gr.html). 5.200 (This is a new arena in Heraklion of Crete island. No team is playing here though :ohno:)
Heralkion university gymnasium arena (http://www.stadia.gr/teiirakliou/teiirakliou-gr.html). 1.816 (Very small capacity but i really like its shaped)

These are the Greek arenas that are mention worthing . :cheers:

Great thread. :cheers:

I really love basketball. I'm not a football fan. I watch football games but I'd rather to watch basketball.

I think the problem with European basketball is that it's not the most popular sport in Europe.
Actually in most European countries basketball isn't even the second most popular sport. :no:

Especially in northern countries like Scandinavian countries England Germany France etc. (Actually in France even cycling has more fans than basketball) :shocked:
The only European country I know that basketball is the Number one sport is Lithuania. :cheers:

Even in countries that they are consider as a power house in basketball like Spain Serbia Russia Greece Italy, basketball comes as the second or third most popular sport. :ohno:

So Europeans seems that are not very interesting for basketball.

That's why I believe that Euroleague will never be able to be a competitive league to the NBA.
Not because of the lack of good players, but because of the lack of fan interest.

Euroleague has to improve its product for sure.
But I am happy ULEB is here instead of Fiba Europe. ULEB looks more professional to me. ULEB gave a different aspect for the game.

The good thing for Fiba basketball was that they changed some very important things which are helping the game to become faster and more offensive.

For example.

They expanded the three point lane to 6,75 and soon they will make it to 7,15 meters.
They changed the shape of the box, and they reduced the attack clock from 30 sec to 24 sec.

NEX STEP about my opinion is to increase game duration to 48 minutes (in order to watch high scores) and allow players to make the first step without given a travelling foul.

After all it's CRAZY to have different game regulations for the same sport.
I don't think that is happening in any other sport !!!
Football has been played with the same regulations all over the world. The same goes with volley ball water polo etc.
Basketball should be played under the same regulations everywhere.

After all it was the Americans who invented the game, so I believe that their regulations are better than Fiba's.
And since they allowed the zone defence in NBA we see more reasonable games.

What I truly HATE in Euroleague teams, is their jerseys and their court arenas.
I HATE the European team names as well. If you are not a European, you can't have a clue of what you are watching in a game Beneton vs Caja laboral. for example !!!!!
The only thing you can assume is that two big brand names, a huge clothing industry and a big bank, are playing a basketball game. :gaah:

Thank god that most of Euro league teams have kept their normal names.
Like CSKA BARCELONA PAO etc.

Can you imagine Barcelona renamed to its sponsor name? Grupo Regal vs Real Madrid. It sounds so awful !!! :lol:
Or Bulls KIA Chicago VS L.A. US Bank Lakers. :lol:

Or imagine that on NBA jerseys.

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2874/28684962.jpg

Instead of this.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/384/90367447.jpg

HILARIOUS :runaway:

But this is very common to Euroleague jerseys. For example. Panathinaikos bc jersey.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e340/skatare/eee.jpg?t=1302802868

You can't even tell which team is this. And if you are not a European you will think that the team's name is Cosmote. :lol:
I found this one on the net and I really like it.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e340/skatare/WWWQQQ.jpg?t=1302804051

Then again, I'm aware that the European teams are based on their sponsor contracts, and their major income comes from the sponsor on jerseys.

I remember the game Olympiacos vs Bulls. I really liked Olympiacos jersey.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZwPaSJzE768/TLzFRGeS3rI/AAAAAAAABow/n-2HRDVBzGw/s1600/jor_b.jpg


(I wish sponsors names would stay only on jerseys though) :ohno:

The sponsors in European basketball are everywhere even ON THE COURT.
And when I say on the court I don't mean around & inside the stadium. I mean on the court floor.

In Euro league you can see different sponsor names on the centre of the court instead of teams badges. You can see them even on the paint. :bash:
About my opinion that makes the court very ugly !!!

There are few teams though that are keeping their court floor clear from sponsors, and they are using their badges on the centre of the court like Barcelona. :cheers:

I know that all these I write above, might look like details to you, but I give a big emphasis in all of these.

As it concerns the Euroleague arenas.

Few teams have their real home courts like Real Madrid.
Most of Euroleague teams playing in rented arenas which belongs most of times to the state.

For example, OAKA sport hall arena belongs to Olympic venues to the Greek state and PAO is rending it.
The arena has blue yellow and white seats, the court's perimeter is blue, and nothing is making you feel that you are in Panathinaikos arena.

As you might know Panathinaikos colours are Green & white. Mainly green.

I really love to see arenas ''painted'' in the colours of the teams. That makes you feel really like Home.

For example instead of this multicoloured OAKA arena

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka3.jpg

I would prefer this !!!

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5247/94440546.jpg



Ok I'm done.
Now you can sue me for three reasons.

A) Because of my lousy English. :lol:
B) Because of this long boring post. :D
C) For my photo-shop with OAKA arena. :D


P.S.

I'm not an American as you can already assumed from my bad English. :lol:
I am from Greece. :D

First of all, thanks for the oponion about Lithuania :) It's very kind words for our hearts.

Secondly, I disagree with your statement about that Euroleague and NBA rules will be simalar. It's not good. I loved European basketball more than NBA. Here you can see more defense, and that is real basketball. Basketball must to be sport, not show, like in USA. The rule about travelling in Europe is very good :) That is one of the reason, why USA national team can't win against European National Teams easily. I like it. About buisness: I didn't see nothing bad, if club have great sponsors, and on the T-Shirt will be logo, but I'm happy that biggest team still doesn't sold names. One of that - Zalgiris :) About arenas: European situation is not too good like in USA, but now we see, that clubs building new arenas: Zalgiris, Fenerbache Ulker are just 2 examples. About O.A.K.A. - I love this arena, and I thinking, that color of court is not the most important think, but I agree, that will be nicer with colours of team.

http://www.fonixarena.com/uploads/text/23/3b.jpg

WOW :cheers:

To bad Hungarian basketball is not competitive for Euroleague.
I would love to see areans like Főnix Hall

First of all, thanks for the oponion about Lithuania :) It's very kind words for our hearts.

It's true that basketball is the most popular sport in Lithuania and I cheers for that. :cheers:

Secondly, I disagree with your statement about that Euroleague and NBA rules will be simalar. It's not good. I loved European basketball more than NBA. Here you can see more defense, and that is real basketball. Basketball must to be sport, not show, like in USA.

I don't disagree with you, but ...
A sport must be a show as well. And if you watch NBA play-off games, they play totally different game with strong defence like we do. In regular season I agree that the games are bad.
And as I told before, basketball is the only sport in the world played with different regulations in Europe and America. That's stupid.

And if it was not for the sake of the game, FIBA Europe would have never change the three point lane distance, the shape of the box, the attack clock duration, etc.
They saw that all these changes would make good to basketball. So I can't really see why people don't like the NBA regulations.
Because they play silly games in NBA that is not a conclusion of NBA regulations. They play 88 games in regular season so they don't need to play so hard in order to reach the play off.

Here in Euroleague you just play 14 games in order to reach the play off so every game is like a final game. Of course I prefer that, instead of watching a boring NBA game in regular season.
That's why we play more reasonable games and we have better competitive games in Euroleague's regular season.

The rule about travelling in Europe is very good :) That is one of the reason, why USA national team can't win against European National Teams easily. I like it.

I disagree here.

You spoil the dribbling by giving a travelling foul in first step. You spoil the action and you make basketball slower. Actually first step is something which most of times is very difficult for the referee to see.
It's not a big deal if you let the player to make the first step. It's something even the European players doing even if they never played in NBA. If you have play basketball (I'm sure you have as Lithuaninan :)) the first step is something it comes naturally to you.

About buisness: I didn't see nothing bad, if club have great sponsors, and on the T-Shirt will be logo, but I'm happy that biggest team still doesn't sold names. One of that - Zalgiris :)

I didn't say that is something bad. As I said I'm aware that sponsors are the major income for Euroleague teams. I just don't like sponsor logos on the jerseys and on the court floors.
For example see (http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2874/28684962.jpg) how ugly the Bulls jersey would look like with sponsor logo on it.

About arenas: European situation is not too good like in USA, but now we see, that clubs building new arenas: Zalgiris, Fenerbache Ulker are just 2 examples. About O.A.K.A. - I love this arena, and I thinking, that color of court is not the most important think, but I agree, that will be nicer with colours of team.

I agree. And there are very nice arenas even in European countries that are not to keen in basketball. Like the arena we just saw in Hungary.

By the way.

Wish me luck for today's game VS Maccabi in Israel. I hope Sarras will help despite his age. He did good in first two games.

It's true that basketball is the most popular sport in Lithuania and I cheers for that. :cheers:



I don't disagree with you, but ...
A sport must be a show as well. And if you watch NBA play-off games, they play totally different game with strong defence like we do. In regular season I agree that the games are bad.
And as I told before, basketball is the only sport in the world played with different regulations in Europe and America. That's stupid.

And if it was not for the sake of the game, FIBA Europe would have never change the three point lane distance, the shape of the box, the attack clock duration, etc.
They saw that all these changes would make good to basketball. So I can't really see why people don't like the NBA regulations.
Because they play silly games in NBA that is not a conclusion of NBA regulations. They play 88 games in regular season so they don't need to play so hard in order to reach the play off.

Here in Euroleague you just play 14 games in order to reach the play off so every game is like a final game. Of course I prefer that, instead of watching a boring NBA game in regular season.
That's why we play more reasonable games and we have better competitive games in Euroleague's regular season.



I disagree here.

You spoil the dribbling by giving a travelling foul in first step. You spoil the action and you make basketball slower. Actually first step is something which most of times is very difficult for the referee to see.
It's not a big deal if you let the player to make the first step. It's something even the European players doing even if they never played in NBA. If you have play basketball (I'm sure you have as Lithuaninan :)) the first step is something it comes naturally to you.



I didn't say that is something bad. As I said I'm aware that sponsors are the major income for Euroleague teams. I just don't like sponsor logos on the jerseys and on the court floors.
For example see (http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2874/28684962.jpg) how ugly the Bulls jersey would look like with sponsor logo on it.



I agree. And there are very nice arenas even in European countries that are not to keen in basketball. Like the arena we just saw in Hungary.

By the way.

Wish me luck for today's game VS Maccabi in Israel. I hope Sarras will help despite his age. He did good in first two games.

Today, you will be in Tel Aviv? Can to take a photos? I'm a journalist of Zalgiris, so then I will write special news with your photos :) Copyrights off course will be your. :) Comeback, I want to talk about traveling one more time. Off course I playing basketball, because in all Lithuania it's religion. I don't know what will be in Greece, but when we lost against Macedonia in all Kaunas wasn't fights or sb. All city was in silence. But at next day, we comeback to arena, and with 11,000 fans, we win :) But now it's off topic. I didn't like travelling rule. I always first push the ball, and then step. It's not rugby. Why Europe must to watch to NBA? In all world, rules are similar, just in USA rules are different. It's strange. USA is not basketball country. I think, they haven't good perception of basketball. It's show. I don't like quick game. I thinking,that in basketball must to be strategic, and in Europe that is. As you know, from next season in Euroleague will be more game (more games in TOP16 - 14 games). I can't understand that Playoffs will have more games than Regular Season. But maybe, then basketball will be more interesting :) So, good luck for Pao, and for Saras firstly :) he is the greatest Lithuanian point-guard ever :) So, good luck for green white! :)

I am crying out loud. :ohno:
We played a BAD game today. Now all the stress will be in our side.
I can't see how we can beat this Maccabi in Tel aviv.

Congrats to Maccabi.

jugensas nope I wasn't in Tel aviv. From tv it looks very nice arena.

I can't see how we can beat this Maccabi in Tel aviv.

.

Ι should have more faith to my team :D


Maccabi Electra 69 - 78 Panathinaikos

I really hope that PAO will pass. One more game to go.
If there's a strong competitive opponent for CSKA that would be Panathinaikos.
CSKA is better team this year and the number one candidate for the title , but Panathinaikos and Obradovic as underdogs are going to be competitive.

Let's see what will happen first in a fully packed OAKA arena. We expecting more than 19.000 fans.

Nothing is over yet. Maccabi can win again in OAKA.

I think this is the last year in Maccabi for Papaloukas and Shortsianitis. Bad games both of them. Maybe Shortsianitis under Obradovic coaching, is gonna improve his game? May be we will sign him up next year in Pana.

Yes I can't see CSKA losing this year, especially with Kirilenko really giving it all for them. But Pana would give them a stronger game.

Anyway, good to see that Pana, Olympiacos, Maccabi, and Bilba all had sold out arenas for the quarter finals with over 10 000 each. Barca, CSKA gotta get moving and do something about new arenas. If not, then I would love to see Zalgiris, Real, the Turkish teams, Milan, Roma overtake them in European basketball importance. Those teams either fill their areans, or in the case of Italian teams have big arenas to potentially fill.

I'm not that sure about CSKA winning this year's Euroleague. Maybe they have the best roster, they play sometimes run and gun basketball, they've got strong defense, but there are two Greek giants + regal barca (my favorite). Last year PAO made two surprises, beating first Brca in QF, than winning the competition. Barca also made some great singings like Marcelinho, Mikel and Ndong are playing much better this season, Lorbek is fantastic, and for Navarro I can't find any proper words. :)
If PAO win QF, than I think that they will play against OLY in SF, and Barca against CSKA (although it would be much better Barca-CSKA final, or maybe PAO-OLY :) )

I'm not that sure about CSKA winning this year's Euroleague. Maybe they have the best roster, they play sometimes run and gun basketball, they've got strong defense, but there are two Greek giants + regal barca (my favorite). Last year PAO made two surprises, beating first Brca in QF, than winning the competition. Barca also made some great singings like Marcelinho, Mikel and Ndong are playing much better this season, Lorbek is fantastic, and for Navarro I can't find any proper words. :)
If PAO win QF, than I think that they will play against OLY in SF, and Barca against CSKA (although it would be much better Barca-CSKA final, or maybe PAO-OLY :) )

If Pao will be in SF, then they will play against CSKA!

If Pao will be in SF, then they will play against CSKA!

Thanks for the info. So this means that we can watch final CSKA-Barca, the best 2 teams in Europe. Of course if there's not any surprise. Can't wait for the F4!

Don't forget that Pao was never one of the favorites to win the Euroleague except only 2 times.

In 1996 Paris, we were one of the candidates but not the clearly favorite. We didn't have the best team only the best player (D.Wilkins)
In 2000 Thessalonica. YES we were the best favorite. (Mainly because the F4 took place in Greece)
In 2002 Bologna, we were the underdogs and no one believed that we made it.
In 2007 Berlin We were again one of the candidates but not the favorite.
In 2009 in Athens we were the favorite for the second time, because we played in OAKA arena and not because we were better team than CSKA. Both teams were equal !!!
In 2011 we were the underdogs again against Barcelona playoff games.

So my point is that Panathinaikos it was never the favorite team to win the Euroleague. Of course it was one of the strongest candidates, but NEVER the clear favorite as CSKA is, or like Barcelona was in the past.

So if we win Maccabi and go to F4, I believe that we have chances to win CSKA.
They have better players, but Pao can do the work.

Lets not be so hasty though. We have one more game with the strong Maccabi, and everything is open.

So, which Euroleague club is planning a new arena/extension/renovation? Do you guys have any idea? Have Barca's plans moved along at all?

So, which Euroleague club is planning a new arena/extension/renovation? Do you guys have any idea? Have Barca's plans moved along at all?

Well, Barcelona will opening New Palau (12,000) at 2015.
CSKA will move to Megasport Arena (14,126)
I heard, that Unicaja have plans to expended J.M. Martin Carpena arena till 17,000

Well, Barcelona will opening New Palau (12,000) at 2015.
CSKA will move to Megasport Arena (14,126)
I heard, that Unicaja have plans to expended J.M. Martin Carpena arena till 17,000

Do you have an update on the Barca plan? Last time I checked it was more of an idea rather than an actual plan.

http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/original_max/article/2012_04/OAKA_KLEISTO_0.jpg

32.000 people in a arena that takes 19.000. Only in Greece, only Panathinaikos.

Panathinaikos - Maccabi 86-85

^^ 32k? i thing you are overacting. Anyway having in a indoor gym people packed like animals + all the smoke from the torches, makes you thing that this country has bankrupt morally long before his financial bankruptcy.

Maybe, 23'000 fans? By the way, official Euroleague website and stats said, that was 18000 fans.

19250 is the legal capacity. When it is sold out they always say just 18000 rounded up. Yesterday were around 23000

19250 is the legal capacity. When it is sold out they always say just 18000 rounded up. Yesterday were around 23000

That's correct.
The legal capacity is 18.000 (not 19250) Panathinaikos is not allowed to give more tickets, more tickets than the number of the seats. (That's something quite understood.)

Also, Euroleague, for safety matters don't allow the use of the stairs as seats.
(Many falls occur on stairs and can lead to serious injuries)

It's wrong to have an OAKA arena, full packed even on the stairs. Wrong to happen in any other arena as well.

So I guess because the OAKA was full packed in every single corner of it, we must had more than 22.000 people inside.

The issue here is WHO LET THEM enter to the arena, with out a ticket. Because all these people on the stairs, they didn't have tickets. And it's something which is not fair to people that they bought their tickets. Next time I won't buy my ticket, and I will wait to enter to the arena free like the others.
I'd rather watch the game from the stairs free, than pay 40 euros for a seat.

So euroleague couldn't write 22.000 because the official number of attendees is based on the official capacity of the arena is based on the tickets that have been sold.

If OAKA arena belonged to Panathinaikos, I would have increase its capacity to 22.000. There are many empty spaces under the score boards and it's easy to place more seats.

This game shown what basketball is! One of the best games this year. This match also proved that basketball can be more dramatical sport than others. You will never see this in NBA, so because of this I enjoy watching Euroleague. And football can become more attractive and not so expensive fun for rich countries, if UEFA somehow find solution to raise football in Greece, Turkey, Serbia, Croatia and Bulgaria (club football) so there'll be better atmosphere than the one we are seeing when Barca, Real, Leverkusen or Chelsea are playing.

Anyway having in a indoor gym people packed like animals + all the smoke from the torches, makes you thing that this country has bankrupt morally long before his financial bankruptcy.

:applause:

^^ 32k? i thing you are overacting.

Πάνω από 32.000 άνθρωποι γέμισαν κάθε γωνιά του ΟΑΚΑ και έσπρωξαν τον Εξάστερο στο Final Four της Κωνσταντινούπολης.

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I just wrote what i read.

Nevertheless i can only assume it was a new record in attendance as far as Euroleague goes?

This game shown what basketball is! One of the best games this year. This match also proved that basketball can be more dramatical sport than others. You will never see this in NBA, so because of this I enjoy watching Euroleague.

:applause::applause::applause:

^^ 32k? i thing you are overacting. Anyway having in a indoor gym people packed like animals + all the smoke from the torches, makes you thing that this country has bankrupt morally long before his financial bankruptcy.

Completely agree!

The Fernando Buesa Arena, Tau Vitoria's home, will be fully opened tonight so it can seat about 15000 spectators in a game against Real Madrid.

The Fernando Buesa Arena, Tau Vitoria's home, will be fully opened tonight so it can seat about 15000 spectators in a game against Real Madrid.

today, they will opening third floor? :) so, cap. is 15,290 :)

The Fernando Buesa Arena, Tau Vitoria's home, will be fully opened tonight so it can seat about 15000 spectators in a game against Real Madrid.

Oficial capacity is 15504, so it's possbile to break the ACB record (Bilbao-Vitoria, Bilbao Arena, 2007, attendance: 15414)

^^

Ι think it's the most beautiful Spanish basketball arena.

They did it. 15.504! New attandence record in Spanish ACB!

http://i.imgur.com/xWrZ4.jpg?1
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=83838

http://i.imgur.com/IsNzI.jpg?1

Oficial capacity is 15504, so it's possbile to break the ACB record (Bilbao-Vitoria, Bilbao Arena, 2007, attendance: 15414)

How did they seat that much in the new Bilbao Arena? Ins't max capacity around 10 000? Or did they go the Panathinaikos route of just letting everyone in?

http://i.imgur.com/IsNzI.jpg?1

Looks nice, watched the 4th quarter on my computer.

Still think it could use a bit of extra work to take it to the next level, forgetting about money for a second. A new, bigger scoreboard would be a priority. Something to cover the concrete in the new part would be nice.

Most importantly they could and should redo and completely isolate the corporate box section. It doesn't look "elite" enough, and that's where the big money is.

How did they seat that much in the new Bilbao Arena? Ins't max capacity around 10 000? Or did they go the Panathinaikos route of just letting everyone in?


I think, they talking about old Bilbao arena :)

I think, they talking about old Bilbao arena :)

Yes thank's. I meant Bizkaia Arena (old bilbao's court when they played big games):
http://a.images.blip.tv/Jcsromo-BizkaiaArena177.jpg?width=624

Bilbao Arena (aka Miribilla) is the new Bilbao's court (capacity: 10000):
http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/noticias/201009/24/Media/M1-1802942352--647x300.JPG

Yes thank's. I meant Bizkaia Arena (old bilbao's court when they played big games):
http://a.images.blip.tv/Jcsromo-BizkaiaArena177.jpg?width=624

Bilbao Arena (aka Miribilla) is the new Bilbao's court (capacity: 10000):
http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/noticias/201009/24/Media/M1-1802942352--647x300.JPG

Ah yes, the weird convention center which they would convert to a basketball arena. That thing always looked a bit strange to be honest.

Btw, the new Bilbao Arena is wonderful too. And it's great because it was built specifically for basketball I think, so the fans are all really close.

Everything is prepared for this year's Euroleague final four in Istanbul.

Arena: Sinan Erdem Dome

http://i.imgur.com/5eZ3x.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/tg9yn.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/yzUYA.jpg?1

attendances was 15,262 at semi finals.

BTW most turkish fans prefered PAO vs Olympiacos
(Most are fans of both clubs)

It will be great final, since Olympiakos has great supporter group. Too bad that PAO didn't win, it would be crazy Greek final in the most famous Turkish city.
Some pics from yesterday.

http://i.imgur.com/LHP9X.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/CxyRa.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/LyFFp.jpg?1

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The Russians have been busy spending money left and right in Instabul
Pao should take this to court

attendances was 15,262 at semi finals.

BTW most turkish fans prefered PAO vs Olympiacos
(Most are fans of both clubs)


The turkish fans are supporting PAO and Oly? :nuts:
:D

Why not :)

Turks like basketball and many really like the greek basketball stars.

The turkish fans are supporting PAO and Oly? :nuts:
:D

I also asked my friend that lives in Turkey (he's Macedonian) and he confirmed me that there were not any fights or some provocations between Turks and Greeks and they don't pay attention if teams are Greek. They are not interest at all to have argues with the Greek fans. I was also surprised when he told me that. But I'm sure that when they play against each other, especially in football and basketball they aren't friendly at all. :D

It's possible you already know the news: O2 Arena in London will host 2013 and 2014 Euroleague Final4:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Basket_Ball_at_the_O2_Arena.jpg/800px-Basket_Ball_at_the_O2_Arena.jpg
The capacity is around 20k (not sure for basket)

Let's see if this helps improve the domestic basket support in the BBL

^^^
Basketball cap. is 18.689

I remember London had a team in the Euroleague several years ago. London Towers I believe.

Congrats to Olympiakos, they did great job tonight!

Epic win for Olympiakos, justice served! Next time cska should spend 30 million more on players and buy a better referee while they are at it....

My best congratulations to the our Greek opponent who have demonstrated a great fight and a desire to win. We played very badly during the Final Four and lost final to ourselves.

The Russians have been busy spending money left and right in Instabul
Pao should take this to court

Epic win for Olympiakos, justice served! Next time cska should spend 30 million more on players and buy a better referee while they are at it....

Well, I even not wish to do such pathetic things as blame the referees or somebody else in our epic fail. One more congratulations with well-deserved victory. I hope we will see next season.

Looks like Istanbul loves comeback finals :D
CL 2005
EL 2012

My best congratulations to the our Greek opponent who have demonstrated a great fight and a desire to win. We played very badly during the Final Four and lost final to ourselves.


Well, I even not wish to do such pathetic things as blame the referees or somebody else in our epic fail. One more congratulations with well-deserved victory. I hope we will see next season.

Absolutely. CSKA was the better team. Next year, in London, you'll the winner (or my Montepaschi Siena). :)

^^
They needed the referee's help to beat Panathinaikos, and they lost a 19 point advantage against a team with a fraction of their budget but they were the better team?

Maybe if Siena concentrated on playing basketball instead of attacking our players and coach after the final 8 game in Italy they would have been there....

The final four is over, Olympiakos played with heart. Peace.

Old unwritten rule, if you want a trophy, hire a Serbian coach. ;) Duda Ivkovic :master:

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They needed the referee's help to beat Panathinaikos, and they lost a 19 point advantage against a team with a fraction of their budget but they were the better team?

The best team is a club who defeated two undisputed favorites in Final Four, and it's not CSKA. As for PAO and its fans - their attempts to blame someone is only demonstration of their weakness. I can made and to post such video coverage in CSKA favor after semifinal or final match (in which we got many fouls). But for what? :dunno::dunno::dunno:

It seems we weren't that right about not having some clashes in Istanbul between Greeks and Turks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvORZFzxgXE

Amazing game, Spanoulis was amazing.

As it concerns the Euroleague arenas.

Few teams have their real home courts like Real Madrid.
Most of Euroleague teams playing in rented arenas which belongs most of times to the state.

For example, OAKA sport hall arena belongs to Olympic venues to the Greek state and PAO is rending it.
The arena has blue yellow and white seats, the court's perimeter is blue, and nothing is making you feel that you are in Panathinaikos arena.

As you might know Panathinaikos colours are Green & white. Mainly green.

I really love to see arenas ''painted'' in the colours of the teams. That makes you feel really like Home.

For example instead of this multicoloured OAKA arena

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka3.jpg

I would prefer this !!!

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5247/94440546.jpg


I am more or less agree with you, such as the issue of sponsorship in the jerseys but not the subject of the rules. U.S. are playing with different rules but the world would play with its rules. Or not?

But one thing you're wrong. No NBA team owns the Arena in which they play. If not owned by corporations rather than the town hall. And Europe is the same, the Real Madrid plays in a rented Arena, and I think only of Berlin o2 belongs to a company.

Sorry for my English if I made any misspelling.