ULEB Euroleague Arenas [Archive]

Neda Say

April 25th, 2006, 07:23 PM

FIBA is the basketball equivalent of the FIFA for football...
ULEB would be an UEFA EQUIVALENT except that ULEB deals only with pro leagues not amateur federations the way UEFA does.
FIBA doesn't have the support of the leagues which are really powerful in Italy, Spain, Russia and Greece. So don't hope to get a deal between the two they are colaborating ond manage to get some kind of a peace but A few years ago they where at war with two suposed top leagues and it was painfull for all clubs. Today Uleb is in charge of the Euroleagues, the uleb cup (equivalent of champions leagues and UEFA cup) and FIBA runs a fiba cup who's not really representative of basketball quality and basicaly you don't have top europeans teams in it (it is oriented to small nations who won't have a chance to get teams in the Euroleagues)

Besides ULEB appears to ba a lot better on organisation, marketing and collaboration with NBA... The EA NBA Europe Games next spetember in France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Russia are the result of that collaboration. So no I don't think a FIBA-ULEB venture would really get anything done faster than ULEB is not already doing quite well.

atila

April 26th, 2006, 04:58 PM

Dear Neda,

Thank you very much for your answer. It was very helpfull. I totally agree with you, though I was not sure before you answered. But you statements showed that I was wright regarding the difference between Uleb and Fiba.

The reason why I thought that Uleb and Fiba should work together, was in order to compete with NBA. Because, I really think that European basket has a potential and that Uleb is pushing the basket into a higher level. That Argentina, with many of the players playing in Uleb, and Serbia wins the world cups, even with NBA players on the american team, really shows that the basket in Europe is developing.

By the way, that Fiba has their own competition is actually good for European basket, as it gives smaller clubs the opportunity to develop and play international matches.

Can Euroleague compete with NBA or will they in the future?

Neda Say

April 27th, 2006, 02:25 AM

Euroleague going at it with the nba!!!! Whouaaou well I won't answer that one.

Lets just say that last summer Macabi Tel Aviv euroleague best club win over Toronto Raptors. I think that if both teams play by fiba rules and not by NBA rules the top 5 euroleague teams will win agains the low ranker of nba : Toronto, Atlanta, Charlotte... cause european teams are playing as "teams" with tough defense.

Now if you want to take the top 16 nba teams there's just no way you can compete with these guys... Spurs have the deepest bench you can get and... with a lot of players coming from Euroleague... Money talks. Pistons play probably the best defense on both sides of the Atlantic. Suns play more collectively than the best european teams with a lot more shooting options.
Then you have the marketing problem. NBA is having A 300 million national market with only hockey to compete with from November to April. In Europe euroleague as to fight with UEFA Champions League there's not really a way to beat that.
Last point is, if you look at the NBA Expansion thread, that the NBA itself would be likely to offer franchise to the best euroleague teams and most attractive markets
Tel aviv, Paris, Rome, Barcelone, Madrid, Moscow, London, Berlin. that would not be good for Euroleague at all.

As for the fibacup well it could be good if the event was marketable but it appears not to be.it might be good on a sports point of view but business wise I have seen some teams turning it down for comercial reasons so. I'd rather just have the two uleb competition and stronger national championships.

Euroleague is doing fine by now they have a ranking methods that allow team to invest on three year plans which is good. The marketing is doing great in eastern europe. They have big powerhouse like Macabi, Barcelone, Bologne... but in the end end they can't get nothing else that players who are not judged performant enough to play in the NBA. Hopefully these clubs do have good local formation structures.

atila

April 27th, 2006, 02:52 AM

Dear Neda,

Thank you for your prompt answer. Did Maccabi beat Toronto?

I do not know why, European basket fits me more than NBA. I think that European basket is much more rapid than NBA with 3 throws etc. In NBA they "just fight for the rebounds"! Do you get my point? So i really hope that Euroleague would compete with NBA in the future.

By the way, I do not think that the NBA team that is going to represent USA in the world championship in Japan will win. My favorite team is Argentina: Ginobili, Spain; Gasol, Turkey; Okur, Türkoglu, and Puorto Rico.

Neda Say

April 27th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Yeh macabi beat Toronto.
I think that european teams might have better collective nba is made of strong individualities rather than guys really playing together but when they do so the way the suns are doing it there is nothing much to say....
I think one way to have a better comparison possibility would be to have nba playing by fiba rules or euroleague playing by nba rules till that day I won't say that euroleague can match nba attractibility

one last thing! Don't forget France has an incredible five, Parker, Diaw, Pietrus, Turiaf, Noah or Petro plus a bunch of proven euroleague players I think the next world championship is going to be really tight and probably the most exciting in years. My favorite Argentina but after that USA are going to be pretty strong with coach K and Germany and Lituania will not be there for turism either. So it's going to be to the wire on all games I think.

atila

April 28th, 2006, 11:51 AM

Dear Neda,

I forgot France and Lithuania, but I really hopes that we will se a day where the NBA stars are being beated. They are too arrogant, they got some good lesson the last 2 tournaments ;)

You talked about Fiba, Euroleague and NBA rules. Whats the actual difference. I know that the 3 throw line is shorter in euroleague and that you have the right to make 6 fauls in NBA. But what more?

Neda Say

April 28th, 2006, 07:29 PM

You also have the lenght of the game itself... fiba games are 40 minutes each quarter lasting only ten minutes long nba games are 48 minutes each quarter lasting twelve.
The rebound rules are also different that's why nba fight for rebound is so important.
The 3 points line is the over huge difference cause basically it makes nba games more of a one on one defence and not a zone defence game... which is good for the show and allows Iverson, Nash, Bryant, Parket, BiBi and the others guard to be real play maker... the 3 points zone is smaller in europe so zone defence is way easier to set up and maintain.
And after that yes you have the fault... and the technical fault that you only see rarely in euroleague games as far as I can remember them.

And of course the championship itself 80 games during regular season plus play off for the top 16 teams. against 12 first round games and then the top 16 and then final four.

atila

May 1st, 2006, 05:32 PM

Thank you for your answers Neda,

By the way, did you see the final match yesterdau? Papaloukas is incredible, CSKA has been my favourite since they beated Efes Pilsen. They are impossible to deafeat with Smodis, Papaloukas, Vanterpol and Langdon. Just imagine, that they did not have Andersen in the finals.

Regarding the NBA versus europeand rules, do you then think that ULEB will change the rules in order to reach to NBA standards?

Neda Say

May 2nd, 2006, 07:25 PM

No I didnot see the game I don't have european basketball on tv where I am right now... I'm in the nba playoff... And my night mare is coming true Kobe is killing the suns. About the rules I don't think that uleb should adopt nba rules i think NBA and FIBA should sit down to a table and adopt the rules which are the best for the sports.
And we have these rules everywhere not just in nba not just in euroleague.

dudu24

July 16th, 2008, 10:41 AM

Overview of 2008/2009 Basketball Euroleague Arenas ;)

Its not exactly NBA but its second best that Basketball in the world has to offer. I hope that someone will be interested in this :)

Overall situation is pretty good, considering that 10k minumum rule will be applied soon, situation will be even better in future.

Group A:

Maccabi Tel Aviv, Israel (Nokia Arena - 11,700):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/NokiaArena.jpg/800px-NokiaArena.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1043/748183343_11cdf34c1f_m.jpg

Olympiacos Piraeus, Greece (Peace and friendship stadium - 12,171):

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/piraes_peace_friendship2.jpg

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2520/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/ebc/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

Unicaja Malaga, Spain (Jose Maria Martin Carpena Arena - 10,500)

http://www.andaluciaimagen.com/Palacio-de-deportes-Jose-Maria-Martin-Carpena-Malaga_8345.jpg

http://www.malagaweb.com/images/photos/martin-carpena.jpg

Cibona Zagreb, Croatia (Drazen Petrovic Center - 5,400)

http://www.kosarka.hr/media-gallery/4el.jpg

http://www.kosarka.hr/media-gallery/cib-maccabi640.JPG

Le Mans Sarthe, France (Antares - 6,000)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Antar%C3%A8s.JPG

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2514/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/467/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

Avellino, Italy (Palasport Del Mauro - 4,000)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/michelelandi/R8H07EAqaAI/AAAAAAAABaU/RMu4A1I1gCI/P1000564.JPG?imgmax=720

http://lh3.ggpht.com/michelelandi/R8Hzf0AqZjI/AAAAAAAABWM/mGPC2O3qe24/P1000526.JPG?imgmax=720

Group B:

Panathinaikos Athens, Greece (OAKA Olympic Arena - 18,500)

http://stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka4.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/OAKA1010436.JPG/800px-OAKA1010436.JPG

Barcelona, Spain (Palau Blaugrana - 8,250)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/1819195278_3b48ed32e0.jpg?v=0

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2506/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/135/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

Zalgiris Kaunas, Lithuania (Kaunas Sports Hall - 4,350)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Sporto_hale_2007-05-19.jpg

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2529/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/192/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

Prokom Sopot, Poland (Hala Olivia Gdansk - 5,500)

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/2140/z2140629X.jpg

http://doc.rmf.pl/media/img_mnews/128/128489_n_mi.jpg

SLUC Nancy, France (Palais de Sports Jean Weille - 6,000)

http://www.lnb.fr/tf_images/salles/246.jpg

http://www.lnb.fr/tf_images/salles/369.jpg

Montepaschi Siena, Italy (Palasport Mens Sana - 6,500)

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/7489/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/f71/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1035/565927844_fed9b7af20.jpg?v=0

Group C:

Tau Ceramica Vitoria, Spain (Fernando Buesa Arena - 9,323)

http://baskonia.ninaiz.com/blog/velimir/07012424435pabellon_buesa_arena_II.jpg

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2526/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/098/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

Fenerbahçe Ülker Istanbul, Turkey (Abdi İpekçi Arena - 11,500)

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/8567918.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/564/ulktr5.jpg

Virtus Roma, Italy (PalaLottomatica - 11,200)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/PalaLottomatica.jpg/800px-PalaLottomatica.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/lazio/roma_palalottomatica2.jpg

Joventut Badalona, Spain (Palau Municipal d'Esports de Badalona - 12,500)

http://www.minorisa.es/eurobasket97/img/olimpic.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/spain/catalonia/badalona_pavello2.jpg

Union Olimpija Ljubljana, Slovenia (Tivoli - 5,500)

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2528/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/35e/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

http://www.kosarka.hr/media-gallery/dobro_popunjena_dvorana_tiv.jpg

ALBA Berlin, Germany (Max-Schmeling Halle - 10,050)

http://www.mybooker.de/_images/veranstaltungsstaetten/max_schmeling_halle.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/173524583_5ec0ab1327.jpg?v=0

Group D:

Real Madrid, Spain (Palacio Vistalegre - 15,000)

http://marcelotxyko.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/20050609dasdasacb_1_i_lco.jpg

http://www.realmadridbasket.galeon.com/vistalegre4.jpg

AJ Olimpia Milano, Italy (Forum di Assago - 12,000)

http://www.forumnet.it/path_images_fotogallery/ffac017.jpg

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/7469/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/bd6/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

Panionis Nea Smyrni, Greece (Helliniko Arena - 14,500)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_helliniko2.jpg

http://www.tportal.hr/2007/05/11/0473007.19.jpg

Efes Pilsen Istanbul, Turkey (Abdi İpekçi Arena - 11,500)

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/8567918.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/564/ulktr5.jpg

CSKA Moscow, Russia (CSKA Universal Hall - 5,500)

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/2509/95e4e809-63e6-4a8c-8253-eeb54a815126/590/rglang/en-US/filename/95e.jpg

http://217.13.116.51/fotos/noticias/jornada1/med_347_28.jpg

Partizan Igokea Belgrade, Serbia (Pionir Hall - 7,000)

http://www.tasmajdan.co.yu/images/dvorana.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03ha6SQawt1if/610x.jpg

www.sercan.de

July 16th, 2008, 11:00 AM

Some look bigger and some look smaller

Lil bit surprised about Kaunas. Thought they built a new big arena?!?!

dudu24

July 16th, 2008, 11:05 AM

Some look bigger and some look smaller

Lil bit surprised about Kaunas. Thought they built a new big arena?!?!

There is Siemens Arena in Lithuania but that is in Vilnius, its the only big enough from what i was able to find.

www.sercan.de

July 16th, 2008, 11:14 AM

But Kaunas needs a +10k arena in some years

Hope Galatasaray will play in some years in the Euroleague.

dudu24

July 16th, 2008, 11:21 AM

But Kaunas needs a +10k arena in some years

Hope Galatasaray will play in some years in the Euroleague.

Yes, as it seems Partizan, Cibona, Barcelona, Tau (they need only 500 more places), CSKA (there is bigger Arena in Moscow) will be ready for new rules. Avellino, Zalgiris, Prokom (they play even now in other town), Nancy, Montepaschi, Olimpija will have to build new Arenas if they will want to play in Euroleague.

Also ALBA is moving to new O2 Arena.

matthemod

July 16th, 2008, 01:49 PM

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

July 16th, 2008, 03:05 PM

^^ You mean Mediterranean, (Hellas, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Israel - basketball loving countries), or Soutern Europe or part of Western Europe, Anyway i prefer the Med.

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

July 16th, 2008, 04:04 PM

Very nice thread btw. Some nice photos from the indoor halls of the 3 hellenic euroleague teams are following.

Panathinaikos - OAKA - 18.700

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka5.jpg

http://briefcases.pathfinder.gr/download/231062

http://briefcases.pathfinder.gr/download/231063

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Olympiakos - S.E.F - 11.500 (maximum 14.500)

http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew14.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew9.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew11.jpg

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Panionios - Hellenikon - 14.500

http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon6.jpg

http://www.olympicproperties.gr/popupupload/large/hellinikonarena_01.jpg

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/269539

http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon8.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon9.jpg

www.stadia.gr (http://www.stadia.gr)
www.olympicproperties.gr (http://www.olympicproperties.gr)
losada 77, vag3721 (www.pathfinder.gr (http://www.pathfinder.gr) - briefcases)

dudu24

July 17th, 2008, 12:41 AM

I remember seeing a video on Youtube, that showed the Panathinaikos fans at a game. Made me wonder if you see anything near that an NBA game! Just show's how big it is in Eastern Europe.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u0rMe2Vyb9E&feature=related
Thats the reason why lots of people prefer Euroleague to NBA. Support in Euroleague is great.

QtQAJH_JoXM

www.sercan.de

July 17th, 2008, 12:43 AM

:lol:
Another reason to kick out Efes Pilsen SK

BEATSLIM

July 17th, 2008, 12:48 AM

third best to the NCAA

dudu24

July 17th, 2008, 12:51 AM

third best to the NCAA
Well that is not Pro league. And Euroleague quality is higher than NCAA, many good NCAA players fail terribly in Europe.

somataki

July 17th, 2008, 01:48 AM

Athens' basketball Arenas are just great:

"Peace and frienship" arena:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2118156033_7beda17f8b_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/286966518_701dca4a52_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/83420185_9404d4a412_b.jpg

Olympic indoor arena:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/504689485_4ab333d3ba_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2560328141_260d16e4e9_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/235/456480419_9647b1d308_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2092494299_02c8591fef_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/84/247718450_470450ec1a_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1040/1193471098_0730311ec3_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/149847414_06b0fc2495_o.jpg

Hellenikon indoor arena:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2128/2371484475_6147422277_b.jpg

dudu24

July 17th, 2008, 01:57 AM

Decathlon (Greek company) also did project for new Zagreb Arena, quality stuff there in Greece! PAO Arena is awesome.

Kuvvaci

July 17th, 2008, 02:33 AM

what was the construction year of OAKA?

NickRivers

July 17th, 2008, 04:10 AM

what was the construction year of OAKA?

I think in 1995... :cheers:

Krzycho

July 17th, 2008, 04:42 AM

Some look bigger and some look smaller

...
In compare with NBA arenas every each looks smaller :)

koolio

July 17th, 2008, 05:22 AM

third best to the NCAA

You gotta be on crack. Euroleague has the elite teams of the entire continent. In my opinion, the best Euroleague team is probably better than a few NBA teams as well.

bing222

July 17th, 2008, 07:26 AM

Where weill the final be played

en1044

July 17th, 2008, 07:39 AM

You gotta be on crack. Euroleague has the elite teams of the entire continent. In my opinion, the best Euroleague team is probably better than a few NBA teams as well.

i highly doubt that

Demetrius

July 17th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Where weill the final be played

for 2009 it's gonna be O2 Arena in Berlin!

:cheers:

rantanamo

July 17th, 2008, 12:06 PM

i highly doubt that

Actually we get this answer each year. The best teams are about on the level of the 2-3 worst NBA teams.

matthemod

July 17th, 2008, 01:23 PM

You know this as an undeniable fact? You must be a source of all knowledge and wisdom I see, with absolutely no arrogance present whatsoever.

BobDaBuilder

July 17th, 2008, 02:21 PM

Saw Euroleague and plenty of the NBA over the years.

Gotta say the Europeans are 'champion teams' whilst NBA teams are 'teams of champions'.

The results of 'the NBA team' at recent World Championships and Olympics a the proof of the pudding.

www.sercan.de

July 28th, 2008, 06:25 PM

dudu, maybe you know it better but as i remember FIBA changed some rules and the FIBA court.

dudu24

July 28th, 2008, 07:10 PM

dudu, maybe you know it better but as i remember FIBA changed some rules and the FIBA court. Not completely. FIBA is dead anyway.. their influence in todays basketball is non existant. ULEB and NBA run the show.

en1044

July 28th, 2008, 07:59 PM

Why would they change it? Because NBA plays it like that? :ohno: Leave it as it is... NBA is done anyway. They can't cope with Euroleague money... and it just started.

Ok let me explain this to you. First, the reason that the international court differs from the American courts is because of the dominance of the americans in the old days. The restricted area is smaller and the three point line is closer to the basket to put less emphasis on the big, athletic American centers and forwards. More emphasis was put on the shooter, which is why most non americans like to shoot the ball. In the US, a 7 foot guy is a power center. Elsewhere he is a shooter. Now as time passed people began to figure out ways to beat us things changed, but they still are unfair. It makes no sense why there are significantly different court dimensions. If anything people shoud be happy about this. You probably will try to bash me for this but do your research, its the truth.

New FIBA court, 2010
http://www.fiba.com/images/web/News/Photos/2008/04/25/_original/court.jpg

Now lets talk about money. You are saying that Euroleague can compete with the NBA with money? No. Maybe they will be able to pay some players a lot of money, but for how long. They wont be able to do it forever, the teams dont have the money NBA teams do. The NBA will win out in the end because it just has so much more money. So Euroleague likes to take our lower level players and overpay them so that they think they are making progress. No, im sorry but paying Josh Childress $20 Million. Thats ridiculous, he not worth the money. Do you realize how much money these players demand? Gilbert Arenas just signed a $111 Million dollar contract with the Wizards. You cant compete with that. You cant compete with the money the US has sports wise.

Rizzato

July 28th, 2008, 08:08 PM

??? NBA is done?? Can't you just appreciate what the NBA has to offer and let the facts speak for themselves

dudu24

July 28th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Now lets talk about money. You are saying that Euroleague can compete with the NBA with money? Yes, thats exactly what i'm saying Euroleague is on rise and NBA on decline. There is no salary cap in Europe and teams are usualy owned by 1 extremely rich man this is, unlike their USA coleagues not interested in making profit but uses the team for his own fun/interes. And this just started... euro/dollar rate is another reason why players prefer/are starting to prefer Euroleague. I don't even want to mention that 20mil contract in Europe means exactly 20 mil on players bank account, not 10mil like in USA due to taxes. House, cars etc. are also included in contract unlike in NBA.

Maybe they will be able to pay some players a lot of money, but for how long. Some of the Euroleague teams have practically unlimited budgets. Sorry but i just don't see how will NBA with current tax system and salary cap going to able to cpe with that.

They wont be able to do it forever, the teams dont have the money Yes they do, you are just showing how ignorant you are about Euroleague here.

The NBA will win out in the end because it just has so much more money. Once again, thats not true, Euroleague budgets are increasing ALOT. Its different system than USA and you don't seem to understand it.

So Euroleague likes to take our lower level players and overpay them so that they think they are making progress. Euroleague used to do that. Now its established players leaving, college stars prefering Euroleague to NBA, hell even your best highschool talent picked Euroleague. European players are leaving NBA on first chance they have.

Gilbert Arenas just signed a $111 Million dollar contract with the Wizards. Thats 70 milion Euros, add taxes to that and you get barely double amount of what Childress is going to get in Olympiacos.

You cant compete with the money the US has sports wise.

Perhaps in basketball not yet, but the way things are changing i wouldn't be so sure if NBA will still be no1 league in 10-15 years. As for money involved in sports, our football is by far no1 and no USA sport will ever match it.

en1044

July 28th, 2008, 08:15 PM

Yes, thats exactly what i'm saying Euroleague is on rise and NBA on decline. There is no salary cap in Europe and teams are usualy owned by 1 extremely rich man this is, unlike their USA coleagues not interested in making profit but uses the team for his own fun/interes. And this just started... euro/dollar rate is another reason why players prefer/are starting to prefer Euroleague. I don't even want to mention that 20mil contract in Europe means exactly 20 mil on players bank account, not 10mil like in USA due to taxes. House, cars etc. are also included in contract unlike in NBA.

Some of the Euroleague teams have practically unlimited budgets. Sorry but i just don't see how will NBA with current tax system and salary cap going to able to cpe with that.

Yes they do, you are just showing how ignorant you are about Euroleague here.

Once again, thats not true, Euroleague budgets are increasing ALOT. Its different system than USA and you don't seem to understand it.

Euroleague used to do that. Now its established players leaving, college stars prefering Euroleague to NBA, hell even your best highschool talent picked Euroleague. European players are leaving NBA on first chance they have.

Thats 70 milion Euros, add taxes to that and you get barely double amount of what Childress is going to get in Olympiacos.

Perhaps in basketball not yet, but the way things are changing i wouldn't be so sure if NBA will still be no1 league in 10-15 years. As for money involved in sports, our football is by far no1 and no USA sport will ever match it.

i can sum up all of your hate and ignorance towards the US with one thing

:ohno:

go do your research, obviously you have no clue what youre talking about.

People who actually know what they are talking about will destroy you based on what you said.

dudu24

July 28th, 2008, 08:26 PM

i can sum up all of your hate and ignorance towards the US with one thing Same could be said about you and Europe. Hate about the US? Not agreeing with something or thinking that something else is better makes me USA hater? Oh boy..

go do your research, obviously you have no clue what youre talking about. Ye, why don't you go do the same.

People who actually know what they are talking about will destroy you based on what you said. That won't be you tho, since you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Sorry for offtopic Sercan :)

en1044

July 28th, 2008, 08:34 PM

Same could be said about you and Europe. Hate about the US? Not agreeing with something or thinking that something else is better makes me USA hater? Oh boy..

Ye, why don't you go do the same.

That won't be you tho, since you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

ugh :ohno:

koolio

July 28th, 2008, 09:29 PM

Ok, I've defended the Euroleagues but this is just getting ridiculous. There is no doubt that they are on the rise but the NBA isn't in immediate danger by any stretch of imagination. Maybe we'll start talking once Euro teams actually start averaging more than 10,000 per home game. At the current rate, teams who are spending like crazy will start losing money as well. I don't care how rich the owners are. They didn't become rich by losing money.

Honestly, if the NBA starts losing more players to the Euro leagues, all they have to do is change their salary structure a bit, increase the salary cap and voila, the problem's gone. Financially, there is absolutely no way that the Euroleague is even close to the NBA. You don't think the NBA has rich owners who can afford to dish out as much money as they want if there were no salary cap? Lets get realistic here folks.

dudu24

July 28th, 2008, 10:14 PM

At the current rate, teams who are spending like crazy will start losing money as well. I don't care how rich the owners are. They didn't become rich by losing money. Fact is, most of them do it for fun, they simply want team to perform without caring about money. Their clubs are their hobby, not their source of profit.

Financially, there is absolutely no way that the Euroleague is even close to the NBA. Currently no, but the gap is not big as it once was, and its getting smaller and smaller.

You don't think the NBA has rich owners who can afford to dish out as much money as they want if there were no salary cap? Is there single NBA franchise owner that is willing to invest 150-200 million into team and expect absolutely nothing in return? Its similar case as Arabian football leagues, sick money for older players just for the fun of owner.

koolio

July 28th, 2008, 10:21 PM

Is there single NBA franchise owner that is willing to invest 150-200 million into team and expect absolutely nothing in return? Its similar case as Arabian football leagues, sick money for older players just for the fun of owner.

Exhibit A: Mark Cuban.

Google him up if you don't know him.

en1044

July 28th, 2008, 10:24 PM

Is there single NBA franchise owner that is willing to invest 150-200 million into team and expect absolutely nothing in return? Its similar case as Arabian football leagues, sick money for older players just for the fun of owner.

no there isnt, and thats why the NBA will always be superior.

en1044

July 29th, 2008, 01:34 AM

Fact is, most of them do it for fun, they simply want team to perform without caring about money. Their clubs are their hobby, not their source of profit.

Currently no, but the gap is not big as it once was, and its getting smaller and smaller.

Is there single NBA franchise owner that is willing to invest 150-200 million into team and expect absolutely nothing in return? Its similar case as Arabian football leagues, sick money for older players just for the fun of owner.

You seem to think that the NBA is going downhill for some reason. Maybe you should realize that Euroleague overpaying for some mediocre NBA players doesnt mean that they will overtake the NBA. And your Josh Childress vs Gilbert Arenas argument makes no sense. Arenas' 111,000,000 American is 70,000,000 Euros. Even after taxes, explain how that is anywhere CLOSE to the 20,000,000 Josh Childress will make (which will be lower after taxes also, as you pointed out.) If you had a league like Euroleague packed with NBA players there just for the money, where would the passion be. There wouldnt be any. A league made up of players just for money playing for a championship they dont care about would be horrible. NBA players born here care about the NBA championship, thats what they grow up with. They grow up going to the games, rooting in their teams. They dont root for Euroleague (which has a considerably lower average attendance than the NBA.) Euroleague may try to get better, and no one here is rooting against them, but to think thay could actually overtake the NBA some day is just lunacy.

dudu24

July 29th, 2008, 11:39 AM

You seem to think that the NBA is going downhill for some reason. Well if players leaving isn't downhill then i don't know what is it. And overall quality dropped in last 10 years, u can't deny that.

Maybe you should realize that Euroleague overpaying for some mediocre NBA players doesnt mean that they will overtake the NBA. With more and more players comming on high paid contracts its just matter of time when some big stars signs.

And your Josh Childress vs Gilbert Arenas argument makes no sense. Arenas' 111,000,000 American is 70,000,000 Euros. Even after taxes, explain how that is anywhere CLOSE to the 20,000,000 Josh Childress will make (which will be lower after taxes also, as you pointed out.) No, you are wrong, Euroleague contract are "what you get on hands". If he signed 20 mil Euros contract that means that he gets exactly 20 mils in "cash". Taxes are payed by the club. Thats the main difference between the NBA and Euroleague contracts. And i said that he will barely get double amount of money even tho on paper he has 3x bigger contract than Childress.

If you had a league like Euroleague packed with NBA players there just for the money And NBA with their free agents policy isn't that?

A league made up of players just for money playing for a championship they dont care about would be horrible. Yes, i'm sure that when you live with some team, in some city, train with them every day... you don't care about the results at all :ohno:

which has a considerably lower average attendance than the NBA. Attendance in Euroleague = exactly how many people are in the Arena, not how many tickets were sold (half empty Arena, but its "sold out", happened maaany times in NBA)

Euroleague may try to get better, and no one here is rooting against them, but to think thay could actually overtake the NBA some day is just lunacy. No, its realliy, sorry if you don't like it. Anyway this is way too offtopic and lets move it somewhere else if you want to continue this or lets just stop..

dudu24

July 29th, 2008, 04:57 PM

So, with new 10k rule, we will see some class new Arenas in Euroleague. :banana::banana::cheers:

This are confirmed Arenas:

Partizan Belgrade (Arena Belgrade - 20 000)

http://blogs.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/eurovision/Belgrade%20Arena(02)%2008.jpg
http://www.beoland.com/ostalo/septembar04/04.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Didzaridoo/IMG_2066.jpg

Cibona Zagreb (Arena Zagreb - 15 200)

http://i19.tinypic.com/5yb3ip0.jpg
http://i12.tinypic.com/4r7bi90.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/7xj6c1i.jpg

ALBA Berlin (O2 World - 15 500)

http://www.berliner-rundfunk.de/brfmedia/1/5/3bc7f489e59e9306ec5351fedd664a.jpg
http://www.berliner-rundfunk.de/brfmedia/c/1/ce13c86544651f5db2ebb93986434f.jpg
http://www.berliner-rundfunk.de/brfmedia/c/1/697d4af1150c27bc9f25ecf97f3f29.jpg

Prokom Sopot (Sports Arena Gdansk - 13 500)

http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/19/40_521232_3_d_2030.jpg
http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/6f/40_521232_1_d_9547.jpg
http://www.gdapolis.pl/foto/albums/hala/hala_wiz_04.jpg

Fenerbahce Istanbul (Fener Arena - 15 000)

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/39754/2001268039065590349_rs.jpg
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/38957/2001216803837984648_rs.jpg

Does anyone know what are the plans of Olimpija Ljubljana, Zalgiris Kaunas, Avellino, Montepaschi, Le Mans, Nancy? Also does anyone know in which of the Moscow Arenas does CSKA eventually plans to play?

dudu24

July 29th, 2008, 05:04 PM

Arena Zagreb is 15,200? I thoght its 16,500?
Fb arena will have a capacity of 15,000
Yes.. 15.200 is handball capacity, Basketball can be expanded abit more.

Thanks for fener update, do you have more pictures of it?

www.sercan.de

July 29th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Arena Zagreb is 15,200? I thoght its 16,500?
Fb arena will have a capacity of 15,000

www.sercan.de

July 29th, 2008, 05:10 PM

You are fast :D
We don't have a interior pic of FB arena because this rendering shows the 12k version. They changed the stands etc to have 15k.
Kuvvaci should know it better, but as i remember this autumn they want to start. so maybe we will see the final pics in some months
Just one more pic
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=655766

piraB4L

July 29th, 2008, 06:38 PM

en1044

July 29th, 2008, 06:44 PM

Well if players leaving isn't downhill then i don't know what is it. And overall quality dropped in last 10 years, u can't deny that.

With more and more players comming on high paid contracts its just matter of time when some big stars signs.

No, you are wrong, Euroleague contract are "what you get on hands". If he signed 20 mil Euros contract that means that he gets exactly 20 mils in "cash". Taxes are payed by the club. Thats the main difference between the NBA and Euroleague contracts. And i said that he will barely get double amount of money even tho on paper he has 3x bigger contract than Childress.

And NBA with their free agents policy isn't that?

Yes, i'm sure that when you live with some team, in some city, train with them every day... you don't care about the results at all :ohno:

Attendance in Euroleague = exactly how many people are in the Arena, not how many tickets were sold (half empty Arena, but its "sold out", happened maaany times in NBA)

No, its realliy, sorry if you don't like it. Anyway this is way too offtopic and lets move it somewhere else if you want to continue this or lets just stop..

Sorry but you have a very warped perception of basketball reality. I guess you dont understand how basketball in the US works, but thats understandable, you dont live here. Have fun paying millions to the players that would have found their way over to Europe anyway because they arent any good.

koolio

July 29th, 2008, 09:06 PM

What's with this bull shit about NBA fudging attendence numbers? I can say for a fact that I've watched more NBA games than you dudu and never have I seen a half empty arena that was called a sold out. You might wanna get a grip on the hyperboles. Attendance is not even debatable. Last season, Indiana had the worst attendance figures (12,000) and believe me, it wasn't any worse than that. Just because the lower bowl appears half empty doesn't mean the entire arena is half empty. The cheaper seats in the upper bowl (which, unlike Europe, every team in the NBA has in their arena) are usually sold out even in the worst cities. As for the better drawing teams (i.e. 18,000+) you might want to get your eyes checked if you didn't think that they sold out the game.

You think the European leagues will take over the NBA but that just isn't happening. Trust me....I know plenty of basketball fans in Europe who watch and follow the NBA as well....they know for a fact that basketball in Europe is still WAYS away from even challenging the NBA for the title of the top league in the world. Fact of the matter is that the average European doesn't give a shit about basketball and until it gets as popular as it is in North America, there is no way that it will be able to rival the NBA. The owners can be willing to spend as much money as they want but they won't keep it up until the fan support keeps up with their spending to a certain degree.

P.S. I concede that Josh Childress is a quality player but so what? That's just one good player as opposed to the hundreds of good players that have wen the other way. He will be back once his contract runs out (or even earlier since he can opt-out of the contract at any time). MLS signed David Beckham from Real Madrid. Does that mean MLS is about to become better than La Liga? And Beckham is a better and more popular soccer player than Childress is a basketball player.

anaiptol

July 29th, 2008, 10:51 PM

Does anyone know what are the plans of <..> Zalgiris Kaunas <..>?

Yes we do. It's going to be a 14.500 seater, 500-1000 VIP seats, will cost about 50mln.€+infrastructure, construction starts this autumn. Designed by a local architect. Should be finished in the middle of 2010 or so. :banana::banana:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/anaiptol_album/arena_02_A3.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/anaiptol_album/arena_04_A3.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/anaiptol_album/sale_01_A3.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/anaiptol_album/streamerphp.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/anaiptol_album/streame2rphp.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/anaiptol_album/stre5amerphp.jpg

www.sercan.de

July 29th, 2008, 10:59 PM

1.) Is 14,500 the Baketball capacity? Looke bigger to me :)
2.) How many suites will it have?
3.) Why the hell you didn' post this beauty before? :)

dudu24

July 29th, 2008, 11:01 PM

Very nice, it will be awesome addition to Euroleague :)

Herzeleid

July 30th, 2008, 12:57 AM

I remember seeing a video on Youtube, that showed the Panathinaikos fans at a game. Made me wonder if you see anything near that an NBA game! Just show's how big it is in Eastern Europe.

these are Maccabi Tel Aviv fans (dont mind the rocky music)

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talking about new stadiums in Jerusalem there are plants to built a new stadium, about the capacity i'm not sure, i have heard plans of 10,000 -15,000 and even to 30,000 and make it the national stadium, lets just wait and see, also in Beersheva and Rishon Le Zion there are plans to built new stadiums meeting the new ULEB criteria.

Kuvvaci

July 30th, 2008, 01:40 AM

yes Kanua looks bigger...

berkshire royal

July 30th, 2008, 02:53 AM

dudu24

July 30th, 2008, 11:06 AM

This is a bit of a strange question but can anyone explain to me how big Euroleauge and the clubs that compete in the competition are as I’m from the UK Basketball is a very minor sport and doesn't get much coverage all I know about Euroleague is that many of the clubs are part of the football clubs and is essentially a brother club. What I’m interested to know is the relationships within these clubs level in terms of financing or is to one sided. Also how does the broadcasting and commercial side of the competition compare to say the NBA and the Football equivalent in Europe? Well, it depends from club to club, country to country. For example PAO and Olympiacos football and basketball clubs have different owners and clubs don't share anything in terms of budget. On other hand Spanish clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona are part of their sports collective and they share their budget with other "Barca" clubs. For example Laporta is president of football, bball and handball Barca clubs.

As for how big it is? In south-eastern/southern Europe is almost as big as football (in some places is actually is bigger than football) while in other countries its no2 sport. It can't be compared with NBA and football in term of TV revenue and overall money involved but the numbers are increasing every year. In last few yrs there have been alot of Abamovich like owners which invested some pretty big money even in football terms so league is improving alot.

But in terms of support its clearly best league in the world :) (NCAA is not PRO)

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Kaspers

July 30th, 2008, 01:25 PM

Olimpija Ljubljana
http://www.zurnal24.si/export/sites/z24/_data/images/nogomet/sportni-park-stozice_xUros_Potoxnikx_teaser.jpg_1263901871.jpg

The arena will be constructed by the end of 2010. It will have 12.000 seats, there are no new renders, so I'm not sure if the design will remain the same.

piraB4L

July 30th, 2008, 01:33 PM

Kaspers

July 30th, 2008, 02:16 PM

Here's a model, also quite dated. It is said that the interior will be similar to Stuttgart's Porsche arena.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3517/stadion2zb4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1264/stadion3xx9.jpg

Porsche arena, Stuttgart
http://www.rtvslo.si/_up/photos/2008/03/05/u42236/34091_xe8zvywqv36ygz35fem3_show.jpg
http://www.rtvslo.si/_up/photos/2008/03/05/u42236/34090_porsche-arena_show.gif

And here is the interior design from circa 10 years ago :) Luckily it wont be used.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1543/wtfga3.jpg

dudu24

July 30th, 2008, 02:20 PM

Is that new Bezigrad next to it?

Zorba

July 30th, 2008, 02:26 PM

Kaspers

July 30th, 2008, 03:19 PM

Is that new Bezigrad next to it?

No, that will be the new national stadium, but football club Olimpija might play there, as NK Interblock took over the Bežigrad stadium and is currently renovating it.

en1044

July 30th, 2008, 04:55 PM

@en1044: To go back to your argument about the size and dimentions of NBA courts, I wouldn't say it is "unfair" at all to NBA players that Europeans and South Americans are more use to FIBA rules courts. The are examples of sports being played with different rules from country to country. Look at the NHL, Euro rinks are wider and longer than NHL rinks, with the dimensions of the red, blue lines as well as the goalie crease being totally different. However this hasn't stopped the US or Canada from being pretty successful in international hockey.

I personally believe that it doesn't give European players much of an advantage at all, it just makes them better shooters because shooting becomes the main focus of the game. Different styles of basketball, same holds true with Euro vs. NHL hockey. Plus if these NBA players are getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars anyways then should be great shooters anyways....

It does make a difference. Because European players are better shooters it takes away from the typical American style of attacking the basket. Its like playing an entirely different game, and it is unfair. The style of International basketball also sometimes requires the use of a zone defense which isnt as common in the NBA. We will have to wait until FIBA changes the courts in a few years to see but IMO the game will change considerably.

Kuvvaci

July 30th, 2008, 05:06 PM

does FIBA want to change the courts?

en1044

July 30th, 2008, 11:59 PM

does FIBA want to change the courts?

They already decided to change them by 2010. There will be a NBA style restricted area and the three point line will be pushed back.

www.sercan.de

July 31st, 2008, 12:13 AM

So in some years we will have this list

KK Partizan - Belgrade Arena (19,982)
KK Cibona - Arena Zagreb (16,500)
Real Madrid Baloncesto - New Arena (16,000 - 20,000)
ALBA Berlin - o2 World (15,500)
Fenerbahçe Ülker SK - New Arena (15,000)
BC Žalgiris - Kauna Arena (14,500)
Panionis Nea Smyrni - Helliniko Arena (14,500)
Prokom Trefl Sopot - Sports Arena Gdansk (13,500)
Joventut Badalona - Palau Municipal d'Esports de Badalona (12,500)
Olympiacos B.C - Peace and Friendship Stadium (12,171)
AJ Olimpia Milano - Forum di Assago (12,000)
Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C. - nokia Arena (11,700)
Pallacanestro Virtus Roma - PalaLottomatica (11,200)
Efes Pilsen SK - Abdi Ipekçi Arena (10,550)
CB Málaga - Jose Maria Martin Carpena Arena (10,500)
Panathinaikos BC - New Arena (+10,000)

FC Barcelona?
CSKA Moscow?

Efes should be kicked out when by 2011 or 2012 Galatasaray has finished is new arena (15,500). I hope :D

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

July 31st, 2008, 12:21 AM

^^
Olympiakos - 12k
Panathinaikos - 10+k
Aris - 10k
Iraklis - 5-10k
Heraklion - 5.2k (U/C)
Thessaloniki - Big multisports hall
and couple more.

dudu24

July 31st, 2008, 01:04 AM

I suppose that Barca will play in Palau Sant Jordi because i don't see how could they possibly expand Blaugrana to 10 000.

http://barcelona.vivelaciudad.es/images/2007/06/final011zp.jpg
http://www10.gencat.net/probert/comarques/graf/bar4.jpg

For CSKA i don't know :(

Kuvvaci

July 31st, 2008, 03:36 AM

Sercan I don't think Galatasaray will build a new arena. And Efes is so successfull, no need Galatasaray replaces it.

CrazySerb

July 31st, 2008, 07:15 AM

koolio

July 31st, 2008, 07:19 AM

CrazySerb

July 31st, 2008, 07:54 AM

Oh, the arena is already built. THese days, the arena mostly hosts concerts, political rallies and the occasional national sporting event, like the recent Davis Cup match between Serbia & Australia. Apparently, one needs to sell 8.000 seats (out of 20.000+ ) just to break even. Anything below that and you're looking at a loss.

Here you have a list of past & future events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_held_in_Belgrade_Arena

CrazySerb

July 31st, 2008, 08:20 AM

Btw, here's a better pic of Belgrade's famous Pionir Hall...worse come to worse, this arena could probably be expanded to 10.000+ capacity.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/Pionir800x600.jpg

www.sercan.de

July 31st, 2008, 11:35 AM

^^
Olympiakos - 12k
Panathinaikos - 10+k
Aris - 10k
Iraklis - 5-10k
Heraklion - 5.2k (U/C)
Thessaloniki - Big multisports hall
and couple more.

Olympiask new arena?

www.sercan.de

July 31st, 2008, 11:38 AM

Sercan I don't think Galatasaray will build a new arena. And Efes is so successfull, no need Galatasaray replaces it.

There are plans to built an Arena next to the stadium.
Efes do not have fans. 10k Arena and just 1,000 fans?
I don't think that ULEb would like it.

Kuvvaci

July 31st, 2008, 11:53 AM

Efes Pilsen have spectators at he big matches. Even Big clubs don't have so much spectators at the normal league matches.

Eraser

July 31st, 2008, 12:00 PM

KK Split (former POP84 or Jugoplastika) - Spaladium Arena (12,500)

www.sercan.de

July 31st, 2008, 12:03 PM

Efes Pilsen have spectators at he big matches. Even Big clubs don't have so much spectators at the normal league matches.
This year the max. attendance was at Efes in the Eurolegue was 6,000.
GS will have more fans ;)

Efes will move to the smaller Ahan Sakenk (3,500) this year

Zorba

July 31st, 2008, 01:31 PM

It does make a difference. Because European players are better shooters it takes away from the typical American style of attacking the basket. Its like playing an entirely different game, and it is unfair. The style of International basketball also sometimes requires the use of a zone defense which isnt as common in the NBA. We will have to wait until FIBA changes the courts in a few years to see but IMO the game will change considerably.

I'm not so informed on the change, are they changing the dimensions to NBA rules or something more in between the two styles?

But again I wouldn't say its such a huge difference, at least on the scale of Olympic basketball. At the end of the day these are NBA all stars representing the US national team, and in all honesty a player Kobe is probably a better shooter than the vast majority of the competition even having the NBA disadvantage (if you consider it that).

btw, are you from DC? I notice you kept referencing Gilbert's new deal, plus the "Hail to the Redskins" signature is a bit of a give away:). I am originally from there too, also a big DC sports fans (Skins and Caps mostly).

dudu24

July 31st, 2008, 01:40 PM

KK Split (former POP84 or Jugoplastika) - Spaladium Arena (12,500) They aren't Euroleague club and they won't be anytime soon :) Only Zadar can hope for something from other Cro clubs.

dudu24

July 31st, 2008, 01:42 PM

Its not so easy apparently...for example, KK Partizan Belgrade is not rich enough to even be able to afford to play in "Belgrade Arena" - the user fee just for one night is in excess of 20.000 euros + VAT.

Most likely, a new & cheper arena will be built for Partizan, between 10-12.000 capacity. Doesn't make sense building new Arena when u already have one thats awesome :) They will play in it, you'll see.. its not like they have any choice (new arena story will end up just like new partizan football stadium story). Pionir can't be expanded imo, its already now overcrowded.

Zorba

July 31st, 2008, 01:43 PM

Some Olympiakos fan emotions, the biggest club in Greece, and the team that will be Champions o Greece (and maybe Euroleague) next year.:cheers:

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The stadium, although having a beautiful setting (right on the water) is getting pretty old, it was built in 1982 and is a multi sport facility with sub-arenas for sports like weight lifting, and ping pong. There is some talk however of Olympiakos building a new arena some time in the near future with a capacity of around 11k.

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

July 31st, 2008, 08:52 PM

Olympiask new arena?
Yep

"According to "Filathlos" newspaper Olympiakos is planning to build his own indoor hall. Capacity 12k and to be completed on summer 2011." (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=22141487&postcount=118)

Kuvvaci

July 31st, 2008, 10:43 PM

how about AEK?

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

August 1st, 2008, 12:07 AM

No, i haven't heard anything.

en1044

August 1st, 2008, 04:15 AM

I'm not so informed on the change, are they changing the dimensions to NBA rules or something more in between the two styles?

But again I wouldn't say its such a huge difference, at least on the scale of Olympic basketball. At the end of the day these are NBA all stars representing the US national team, and in all honesty a player Kobe is probably a better shooter than the vast majority of the competition even having the NBA disadvantage (if you consider it that).

btw, are you from DC? I notice you kept referencing Gilbert's new deal, plus the "Hail to the Redskins" signature is a bit of a give away:). I am originally from there too, also a big DC sports fans (Skins and Caps mostly).

Yeah, i live in Chantilly, VA, 20 minutes away.

Always nice to see another Skins fan amongst all the Cowboy fans on this site.

www.sercan.de

August 1st, 2008, 12:11 PM

Yep

"According to "Filathlos" newspaper Olympiakos is planning to build his own indoor hall. Capacity 12k and to be completed on summer 2011." (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=22141487&postcount=118)

Waht will happend to the old arenas?

Kazurro

August 2nd, 2008, 12:54 PM

lefteris-3

August 2nd, 2008, 02:28 PM

the third team from Greece which will be in Euroleague is Panionios the most historical team(in all sports)of Greece since 1890.The team founded in Smyrni(Izmir).In 1922 (after the destruction of Minor Asia-Smyrni) the club was transferred to the Athenian suburb of Nea Smyrni(New Smyrni).
for more infos here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panionios

some fotos of the Panthers the fans of Panionios in the last match of the season 2007-08
http://www.panthers.gr/images/main/photos/07-08/panionios-marousi.jpg

http://www.panthers.gr/images/main/photos/07-08/panionios-marousi2.jpg

http://www.panthers.gr/images/main/photos/07-08/panionios-marousi4.jpg

http://www.panthers.gr/images/main/photos/07-08/panionios-marousi5.jpg

lefteris-3

August 2nd, 2008, 02:32 PM

how about AEK?

aek basketball team after 2002 (when they won the greek championship) doesn't exist,they dont have a good team at all cause of economical mostly problems

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

August 2nd, 2008, 05:15 PM

Olympiakos - 12k
Panathinaikos - 10+k
Aris - 10k
Iraklis - 5-10k
Heraklion - 5.2k (U/C)
Thessaloniki - Big multisports hall
and couple more.

Waht will happend to the old arenas?

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About the big sports hall in Thessaloniki you can read here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=22035717&postcount=115)

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In Heraklion there are 2 nice indoor halls.

The 1st is the U/C indoor hall of the city of Heraklion

http://www.stadia.gr/dyoaorakia/dyoaorakiaworks9.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/dyoaorakia/dyoaorakiaworks7.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/dyoaorakia/dyoaorakiaworks8.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/dyoaorakia/dyoaorakiaworks6.jpg
www.stadia.gr (http://www.stadia.gr)

and the 2nd is the almost new (4 years old) indoor hall of Technical Educational Institute (TEI) of Heraklion.

http://www.stadia.gr/teiirakliou/teiirakliou10.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/teiirakliou/teiirakliou12.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/teiirakliou/teiirakliou11.jpg
www.stadia.gr (http://www.stadia.gr)

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Iraklis will built a similar basketball complex to the football complex which is planning. The 2 complexes will be build in different areas though. His current basketball hall is to old and to small. You can read the latest news about the 2 complexes here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21997331&postcount=113)

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Alexandrion (Aris home) i beleive (after Aris leave) will be used by some local club. Alexandrion is in the heart of Thessaloniki so i don't thing it will be hard to find someone to play there.

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OAKA (home of Panathinaikos and AEK) will be used by AEK.

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SEF (home of Olympiakos) is owned by the Hellenic state and is build mainly for indoor athletism (track and field etc...).
This is the place were Josh Childress of Team Olympiakos :lol: will be playing this season.
Anyway lets hope the new indoor hall to be build soon cause it seems a new star is directed to Pireas. Meet the future star of Olympiakos, LeBron James (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/08/01/lebron.greece/index.html) :D

krudmonk

August 3rd, 2008, 03:11 AM

This thread is great. I like seeing how far other nations are advancing in sport. It's obviously a new concept to some of the more meatheaded among my fellow Americans. They can't comprehend "our" sports being played well elsewhere because US sports media operates within a bubble. The hockey and soccer fans are not unfamiliar with the concept, though, so maybe that's why I don't have to insult foreign leagues with stupid references to our college sports system that is hyped via gamblers, frat boys and rednecks.

VegaM

August 23rd, 2008, 07:45 PM

Do you have an idea about the Prize Money and TV rights earned each year by the Final four teams ?

NickRivers

September 8th, 2008, 04:09 AM

Future Palacio de los Deportes Martin Carpena's expansion - Unicaja Málaga (over 17.000)

http://media.epi.es/www.laopiniondemalaga.es/media/fotos/noticias/646x260/2007-10-09_IMG_2007-10-02_00.00.00__33-MALAGA-2102007.JPG

Kuvvaci

September 8th, 2008, 10:18 AM

we can't see the pic. please send again...

gincan

September 8th, 2008, 11:15 AM

There are plans to replace the FC Barcelona indoor arena with a new one, I think I've read 14 or 15.000 but it depends on a number of things. I don't see it happen any time soon.

btw, I've read that total revenue in Euro League for the 2006/2007 season was around 3 billion euros. If the teams can keep on expanding their
income we will soon see NBA players on a much more common basis than now. Even the best NBA players have stated that they will move to europe if they are offered more money than home. If for example the owner of CSKA or Maccabi offer Kobe Bryant enough, he has himself stated that he will move to europe.

likasz

September 8th, 2008, 01:47 PM

Is it true that from 2010 minimal capacity for Eurolegue's arena
must be 10k?

NickRivers

September 8th, 2008, 03:22 PM

we can't see the pic. please send again...

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2194/crpena2zu0.jpg

www.sercan.de

September 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM

why don't they built a new arena with restaurant, suites etc

anaiptol

September 8th, 2008, 07:56 PM

why don't they built a new arena with restaurant, suites etc

I envy them for not doing that!

www.sercan.de

September 8th, 2008, 07:59 PM

why?
its a great income for the club and makes it a really arena IMO

anaiptol

September 8th, 2008, 08:00 PM

I guess I'm just not the "consumer" kind of guy. Expanding old halls would be awesome, just most of them can't be expanded.

www.sercan.de

September 8th, 2008, 08:02 PM

But you are a fan and as a fan you want to have a succesfull club

anaiptol

September 8th, 2008, 08:08 PM

Well Zalgiris doesn't own the arena it plays in, so...

anaiptol

September 29th, 2008, 09:34 PM

Kaunas arena. Images and videos. It's officialy U/C :cheers:
http://www.kaunoarena.info/index.php/projektas/vizualizacijos

Aiwa

September 29th, 2008, 11:12 PM

^^^ BTW 15 000 seats

Delmat

October 3rd, 2008, 05:01 PM

KK Split (former POP84 or Jugoplastika) - Spaladium Arena (12,500)

Just two teams in European club basketball history ever won three consecutive titles, and only one did so during the Final Four era - Split.
http://www.euroleague.net/item/20875

After the huge crisis the old champion is getting back, slowely but certainly...
Last year kicked favourised Cibona in semifinals of domestic championship but lost against Zadar 2-3 in the finals.

Spaladium Arena (13 000 for basketball)
http://i35.tinypic.com/dcztz6.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2nu29ah.jpg

thanks to Strcbrc
http://www.sportskenovosti.hr/fw3k/util_scripts/get_slika_varijacija.php?slika_id=5612&var_suff=385x275

http://www.sportskenovosti.hr/fw3k/util_scripts/get_slika_varijacija.php?slika_id=5611&var_suff=385x275

http://i34.tinypic.com/zlxgfr.jpg

jugensas

October 7th, 2008, 05:05 PM

hello everybody. Hello dadu24. I am from Lithuania and is very interested in arena, so if you can let your Skype, and then we can talk.

jugensas

October 7th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Sorry for the mistakes, because I am using a translation program

Aiwa

October 7th, 2008, 05:14 PM

if you are interested in Kaunas Arena or any other Lithuanian arena, go to http://www.miestai.net/forumas/

Aiwa

November 2nd, 2008, 10:55 AM

I think CSKA could play in 14000 seats "Khodynka Arena"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Ice_palace_in_Moscow.JPG
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/525084418_57fb4786ea.jpg?v=0

lpioe

November 2nd, 2008, 12:59 PM

There are plans to replace the FC Barcelona indoor arena with a new one, I think I've read 14 or 15.000 but it depends on a number of things. I don't see it happen any time soon.

According to this news (http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/web/gen/20081013/noticia_53558987296.html) it will be 12.000.

But I dont see it happen soon either...

Delmat

November 2nd, 2008, 01:28 PM

Hmmm FC Barcelona?
Maybe BC? :D

CrazySerb

November 2nd, 2008, 10:11 PM

They don't have the same system we do:D

Capital78

December 25th, 2008, 04:36 PM

There is no Euroleague without Olimpija Ljubljana (Slovenia). So yes, also Olimpija Ljubljana will have a new arena with 12.000 seats. Expected to be finished in June 2010, it will be a part of new sports park.

The renders of indoor arena are new. Here is the link:

http://www.sadarvuga.com/php/project.php?id=59

SpicyMcHaggis

December 25th, 2008, 11:01 PM

Capital78

December 26th, 2008, 02:31 AM

So this is final project for Stožice? How far is it from Tivoli/Ljubljana?

That's the new render for both, stadium and indoor sport's arena. There in between, under the ground, it's also going to be the biggest shopping centre in Slovenia and P+R system. It's located in the northern side of the town, it can't be missed from the highway. It's only 5 km away from Tivoli park, that is perhaps 15 min by car.

Capital78

December 27th, 2008, 02:15 AM

After finishing new sports park in Ljubljana, comes the renovation of Tivoli sports hall. Nowadays Tivoli consists of 2 halls, separated by movable wall:
-smaller; 4000 seats; used for basketball, volleyball, handball
-bigger; 6000 seats; used for ice hockey and Euroleague basketball games

After the renovation, the bigger hall will be increased to 8000 seats and it's going to be used only for ice hockey. For this reason the number of seats in smaller hall shall be reduced to 2000.

anaiptol

December 27th, 2008, 08:43 PM

There is no Euroleague without Olimpija Ljubljana
For sure :yes:

http://www.sadarvuga.com/php/project.php?id=59

SWEET :okay: What attendances does Olimpija get now?

Capital78

December 27th, 2008, 09:43 PM

Euroleague matches are sold out, or almost full. So, 5000-6000 fans.

CVR

December 27th, 2008, 11:07 PM

Fenerbahce´s new basketball arena (15,000).Ready in 2010 for FIBA Worldcup :cheers:

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likasz

December 28th, 2008, 02:09 AM

Small countries like Lithuania,Greece or Slovenia = almost full arena
Big countries like Russia,France,Poland or Italy = 1/2 or even less:D

Sponsor

December 28th, 2008, 02:20 AM

Small countries like Lithuania,Greece or Slovenia = almost full arena
Poland = 1/2 or even less:D
Attendance in polish indoors is always 100%. Maybe because of small indoors which capacity is mostly around 2-3k on league matches.

Capital78

December 28th, 2008, 04:22 PM

Zgembo

December 28th, 2008, 06:30 PM

Question for Serbian friends. Why Partizan doens't play it's Euroleague games in new Arena? All European matches so far have been sold out. I'm sure Partizan could sell twice more tickets or am I wrong?

I've been in Pionir and the atmosphere is always electric. It's really difficult to win Partizan in Pionir. But personally I think that new Belgrade Arena is simply too big. 15.000 seats would be just enough. Zagreb Arena has 15.000 seats and everything is more compact and closer to the playground.

The rent for the arena is too high for a club with such limited financial power like Partizan. There is also the problem of the arena's schedule being preoccupied by various other (mostly non sporting:ohno:) events. Two years ago when Partizan reached the TOP 16 stage, there were plans to host the three games of that stage in the arena, but a pop concert got in the way. My guess is that Belgrade arena will be seeing its first Euroleague game only when ULEB's 10 000 plus rule makes it unavoidable. Another option would be if Red Star Belgrade, a team favoured by the local and state authorities, got to the Euroleague but if u ask me u can write that one off in the very beginning:).

CrazySerb

January 1st, 2009, 05:47 AM

Today they announced possible construction of a brand new Belgrade arena - it will serve the needs of FMP basketball club out of Belgrade suburb of Zeleznik. It will have a seating capacity of 11.000 - perfect for Partizan Belgrade's Euroleague games.

www.sercan.de

January 15th, 2009, 03:24 PM

I think CSKA could play in 14000 seats "Khodynka Arena"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Ice_palace_in_Moscow.JPG
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/525084418_57fb4786ea.jpg?v=0

is 14k the basket or hokey capacity?

Aiwa

January 15th, 2009, 06:43 PM

Hockey, I think Basket should be around 15k
But as it is said in Wikipedia:
"In 23 January 2008 CSKA Moscow hosted a Euroleague Regular season game against TAU Cerámica in the arena, in front of a sellout 13,000 attendance crowd..."

So if it was a sellout game, so it had only 13k seats. But that doesn't make any sence to me, because bball cap. has to be bigger than hockey.

weava

January 16th, 2009, 01:55 AM

Euroleague used to do that. Now its established players leaving, college stars prefering Euroleague to NBA, hell even your best highschool talent picked Euroleague.

NBA has a age rule, a high school player isn't old enough to play in the NBA without playing 1 year of college so I could see why a player wouldn't be interested in going to class when they could be making money overseas.

www.sercan.de

January 16th, 2009, 12:00 PM

Aiwa

January 16th, 2009, 02:15 PM

^^ Well that would make sence. But hockeyarenas.net sais it is a 14k hockey arena. Any way I think, that CSKA will play there, as they did in January of 2008.

whatever...

March 9th, 2009, 03:49 AM

^^ Well that would make sence. But hockeyarenas.net sais it is a 14k hockey arena. Any way I think, that CSKA will play there, as they did in January of 2008.

The problem is not that russia lacks arenas. Their clubs lack a serious fanbase. What they have is absolutely no match for greek, serbian, lithuanian, spanish or even israeli clubs - even their 7000 halls are half empty and those few that come are some rich folks that care little.

whatever...

March 9th, 2009, 04:03 AM

Anyway, last thursday, top-16 game Panathinaikos Athens vs. Partizan Belgrade.

Attendance: 22.567

wRGYB-dW5lQ

With all those new arenas u/c and planned and economic crisis long over, Euroleague is gonna absolutely kick ass in some time. NBA watch out, we're going after your Nr*1 spot and i'm not kidding.

Every game will be a treat to a true basketball fan with both the highest quality of game and that hot-headed european temperament that makes the atmosphere in those games something to remember - Belgrade, Tel-Aviv, Athens, Pireaus, Vitoria, Siena, Kaunas, Zagreb, Berlin, Vilnius, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan, Roma, Malaga, Istanbul,... take a pick.

piraB4L

September 13th, 2009, 08:42 PM

Hye

The buesa arèna of the tau céramica will be enlarges to be carried in 15 000 at the end of 2011

http://foto-cache.elcorreodigital.com/jpg/3/5/1245140658953.jpg

www.sercan.de

March 10th, 2010, 06:39 PM

as far as i know in some years the clubs have to play in 10,000+ arenas. and as you can see many are building new ones or plan to expand the old ones.
But what about Barcelona?
Current one is just 8,250

SpicyMcHaggis

March 10th, 2010, 06:45 PM

Not all clubs will have to use 10k arenas. Only those with A licence.

www.sercan.de

March 10th, 2010, 07:10 PM

Oh thats good for Galatasaray :D, cause our new arena plan is 6,000

www.sercan.de

March 11th, 2010, 03:34 PM

ReiAyanami

March 11th, 2010, 03:38 PM

Where do you get the numbers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_Friendship_Stadium
Hellenic basketball federation:
http://esake.gr/team/olympiakos

SpicyMcHaggis

March 11th, 2010, 03:41 PM

I doubt that KK Split will play in Europe anytime soon again. They got relegated from NLB league last year and now they are in lower part of the table in 1st division.

Shame for such an giant...

On other hand NLB got 2 additional places in Euroleague for next season (making in 5 in total) so we might see Zadar getting in finally. Their club, fans and arena deserve top level competition, even tho the team is mediocre :)

www.sercan.de

March 11th, 2010, 03:55 PM

Where do you get the numbers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_Friendship_Stadium
Hellenic basketball federation:
http://esake.gr/team/olympiakos

stadia.gr

John Lajoie

May 8th, 2010, 06:15 PM

Cska's GM said that it is very expensive to pay on Khodynka arena. So I think they won't play there((

Aiwa

May 8th, 2010, 09:56 PM

Man, CSKA is a rich club I think they are able to afford Khodynka for EL games...

likasz

May 8th, 2010, 10:06 PM

^^They've problem to fill their own hall (last match against UNICS - only 1000 people, source:http://www.basket.ru/index.php?dn=game&id=73274&ml=1) so it's not a good idea.Maybe for a few years
?

Aiwa

May 8th, 2010, 10:43 PM

No, I don't say that they have to move to Khodynka for every game. But in Euroleague, especialy if EL rules says, that A license teams have to play in arenas that have more than 10000 seats, CSKA could afford Khodynka, and it can't be too expensive for a club like CSKA ;)

John Lajoie

May 9th, 2010, 01:52 PM

Man, CSKA is a rich club I think they are able to afford Khodynka for EL games...
Now Cska has less money then few years ago. So they aren't very rich club.

Helem

May 9th, 2010, 03:13 PM

^^They've problem to fill their own hall (last match against UNICS - only 1000 people, source:http://www.basket.ru/index.php?dn=game&id=73274&ml=1) so it's not a good idea.Maybe for a few years
?

The new Arena attendance above.

2008 CSKA - TAU / Khodynka

14 000 people.

http://www.hockey-palace.ru/module_data/gallery_pics/40_de90cfdd9381319963b85f185f3dff90.jpg

http://www.hockey-palace.ru/module_data/gallery_pics/40_10e88043f41f35b51ed8d2f6ae0ce7f3.jpg

http://www.hockey-palace.ru/module_data/gallery_pics/40_ae0871bd25c66c0d07610c781125a5a8.jpg

http://www.hockey-palace.ru/module_data/gallery_pics/40_2b0ff52195c9b0e7f7746f4d51d1a2b5.jpg

http://www.hockey-palace.ru/module_data/gallery_pics/40_42bb293a76d4ba035594b1c9128251f7.jpg

Helem

May 9th, 2010, 03:20 PM

Now Cska has less money then few years ago. So they aren't very rich club.

In the top three richest basketball clubs in Europe. Previously was the richest.

For CSKA will soon build a new arena for 12 000 - 15 000, before that will play Khodynka.

SpicyMcHaggis

May 9th, 2010, 03:22 PM

Now Cska has less money then few years ago. So they aren't very rich club.

Well.. if they get A type of licence.. which they will, they won't have much choice but to use the bigger arena.

lindenthaler

May 9th, 2010, 03:26 PM

Beginning of game Partizan - Maccabi 1.4.2010 in Belgrade Arena :)
At: 21 367

qrc5eSVprds

SpicyMcHaggis

May 9th, 2010, 03:29 PM

Nice avatar :) Dule is awesome..

lindenthaler

May 9th, 2010, 03:33 PM

@SMH haha, thanks :D

SpicyMcHaggis

May 14th, 2010, 05:05 PM

penzias

May 15th, 2010, 07:04 AM

16. Real Madrid CF | Palacio Vistalegre | 15.000 | (New 16.000 proposed)

Real Madrid will play next season in "la caja mágica", the venue that hosts the Tennis Masters tournament.
capacity - 12500

http://estaticos.20minutos.es/img/2009/04/30/956156.jpg

BTW on your list is missing the "pabellón Prínipe Felipe" of Zaragoza, capacity 11000 aprox, where the Cai Zaragoza plays, and the "Donostia Arena" in san sebastian, home of the Lagun Aro Guipuzcoa Basket.
Doesn't seem like any of these teams will play Euroleague anytime soon though.

www.sercan.de

May 15th, 2010, 12:19 PM

@Sercan...

I've read that "Efes Pilsen" won't be able to exist anymore since by some new law sport clubs will be banned from using names which are based on alcoholic drinks. Since Efes Pilsen brewery also owns the club they mentioned that they will probably fuse Efes Pilsen and Besiktas since they have no interest running the club under some other name.

Where would they play in that case? In Abdi İpekçi Arena or BJK Akatlar Arena?

Yes, it looks like Efes Pilsen SK will be closed. But currently nothing is clear.
If they close Efes Pilsen SK it looks like they will "give" the money to Besiktas JK, because the owner of the "Anadolu Grup" is a Besiktas fan.

If Besiktas will play on the EL, than they will play at Abdi Ipekci or Sinan Erdem Dome.

likasz

May 15th, 2010, 01:43 PM

Does Besiktas will have higher attedances than Efes Pilsen?

www.sercan.de

May 15th, 2010, 03:45 PM

If they are good yes :D
But don't know about location.
Besiktas JK and the fans are "connected" to the Besiktas district. Stadium and Akatlar is in the Besiktas district, Sinan Erdem and Abdi Ipekci not.

whatever...

May 16th, 2010, 08:23 PM

Does Besiktas will have higher attedances than Efes Pilsen?

Present future tense... :|

likasz

May 16th, 2010, 08:46 PM

^^:bash:

It was not nice of you.You could send me a private message...

BaskonistaATope

July 17th, 2010, 08:40 PM

Fernando Buesa Arena in Vitoria-Gasteiz, city of Baskonia, will be expanded to 15,000 seats. Construction began on January 7, 2011 and end in April 2012.

more info (spanish): http://ampliacionbuesaarena.blogspot.com/

http://static.noticiasdenavarra.com/images/2010/07/06/buesa-1.jpg_20100705122026_11.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/jj8qpl.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2lvzo6g.jpg

gradski

December 17th, 2010, 01:24 PM

Sinan Erdem Dome
Capacity: 16,000
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Built: 2010

http://i52.tinypic.com/118iwxe.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/ao5dg5.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/zl6vee.jpg

Arena Zagreb
Capacity: 15,600
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Built: 2008

http://i52.tinypic.com/200uwz7.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2j0xrns.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/1zcjq05.jpg

Stožice Arena
Capacity: 12,400
Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia
Built: 2010

http://i52.tinypic.com/345h193.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/ddgped.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/23v7yv.jpg

nikolina_fan

December 17th, 2010, 01:39 PM

And who plays in Arena Zagreb? Cibona? http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Ugly/smilie_ugly_321.gif

By the way, atmosphere during NLB F4 held in Arena was great, but I cant see EL played there this season. Maybe next, when these talks between City of Zagreb and club are finished, and if team gets great additions, both players and coaches. But, until that happen, we cant imagine EL played in Arena. We just have to pray for our club to survive.

SpicyMcHaggis

December 17th, 2010, 01:58 PM

Greece

December 18th, 2010, 02:12 AM

gradski

December 18th, 2010, 05:53 PM

^ Do you have any picture?

www.sercan.de

December 18th, 2010, 06:29 PM

sercan, on your list it says that the Peace & Friendship stadium seats under 12,000, but it actually seats 14,850 and if they add seats around the court (which they do for big games), it can seat 17,000.

I've just used the number from this site
http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sef.html

BTW
Hope to see our fans in EL :D
hQXi7PTMSPY

Greece

December 19th, 2010, 07:06 PM

^ Do you have any picture?

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8936/1205l.jpg

Marin Mostar

December 19th, 2010, 10:12 PM

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8936/1205l.jpg

They should always use this configuration,and sell tickets for the highest row only if they fill those below.

gradski

December 20th, 2010, 10:31 PM

They should always use this configuration,and sell tickets for the highest row only if they fill those below.

I agree with you... this is much better.

jay stew

December 22nd, 2010, 12:16 AM

The sight lines at Peace and Friendship Stadium are horrible for basketball.

Greece

December 22nd, 2010, 03:35 AM

@gradski: I think they only do it for big games, because for most games against small Greek teams, they won't sell out anyways...

@jay stew: It wasn't built for basketball...

jay stew

December 22nd, 2010, 04:38 AM

@jay stew: It wasn't built for basketball...

I'm aware of that.

FredPerry

December 22nd, 2010, 01:25 PM

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8936/1205l.jpg

How old is this pic? Is that ex-Yugoslavia flag up there? :nuts:

Greece

December 24th, 2010, 12:50 AM

^No idea...It can't be from the 1991 Med Games because why would the Swedish and Czech flags be there? And it isn't from Eurobasket 1987 because Sweden wasn't in it and it can't be from Eurobasket 1995 because the Czechs weren't in it. It can't be from the 1998 World Championships since it's just European flags...
But it must be old since the old Yugoslavia flag is there and I think the Soviet one too. Plus the seats are no longer those colors. But I'm sure that if I research more, I can find a newer photo...

What will happen in the future since Euroleague teams need a 10,000 seat arena? What will happen if any of the top 3 teams from the Greek league this year are not from Athens? No other city has an arena that seats over 10,000. Even Thessaloniki can't host Euroleague games, since their biggest arena seats just over 8,000. Will all Greek teams have to play in Athens? That rule isn't the best one since it will just make attendance smaller. For example, do they really think that they will draw 10,000 for a PAOK or Aris game in ATHENS??????

Greece

December 24th, 2010, 09:50 PM

AlekseyVT

December 26th, 2010, 01:56 PM

Greece

December 26th, 2010, 06:38 PM

It says "Khimki Moscow" on wikipedia. I think that is the official name of the team...

AlekseyVT

December 26th, 2010, 11:19 PM

It says "Khimki Moscow" on wikipedia. I think that is the official name of the team...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Khimki

BC Khimki, short for Basketball Club Khimki Moscow Region (in Russian: баскетбольный клуб Химки Моско́вской о́бласти), also known as Khimki BC, or Khimki Moscow Region, is a Russian professional basketball team that is based in Khimki, Moscow Oblast Region, Russia. The club's first team participates in the VTB United League, the PBL, and also the Euroleague.

Moscow itself and Moscow Region outside the capital's borders are two separate federal subjects of the Russian Federation.

Aiwa

December 27th, 2010, 03:10 PM

Average Attendances:
1. Fenerbahce Ulker (TUR)-12,875
2. Union Olimpija Ljubljana (SLO)-12,120
3. Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv (ISR)-11,300
4. Efes Pilsen Istanbul (TUR)-9,790
5. Caja Liboral (ESP)-9,490
6. Unicaja Malaga (ESP)-8,660
7. Panathinaikos (GRE)-8,200
8. Lietuvos Rytas (LTU)-7,630
9. Partizan Belgrade (SRB)-7,565
10. Power Electronics Valencia (ESP)-7,380
11. Brose Baskets (GER)-6,800
12. Olympiakos (GRE)-6,000
13. Real Madrid (ESP)-5,210
14. Zalgiris Kaunas (LTU)-4,962
15. Cholet Basket (FRA)-4,840
16. Spirou Basket (BEL)-4,760
17. Montespaschi Siena (ITA)-4,641
18. Asseco Prokom Gdynia (POL)-4,346
19. CSKA Moscow (RUS)-4,100
20. Regal FC Barcelona (ESP)-4,089
21. Virtus Roma (ITA)-3,590
22. KK Cibona Zagreb (CRO)-3,500
23. Armani Jeans Milano (ITA)-3,240
24. Khimki Moscow (RUS)-3,180

It would be worth to write sizes of the arenas, because in percentage attendances would be way different ;)
For example: Panathinaikos Athens has an attendance average of 8200. But arena is able to hold 18000 spectators. While let's take my home town club Zalgiris Kaunas, with average of 4962 viewers and only 5000 seats arena ;) So Zalgiris games is olways 99% full and Panathhinaikos just 45%

www.sercan.de

December 27th, 2010, 04:51 PM

in % to Arena Capacity

Brose Baskets 100.00%
Zalgiris Kaunas 99.24%
Maccabi Tel Aviv 98.26%
Partizan Begrade 96.99%
Caja Laboral Baskonia 95.86%
Cholet Basket 94.90%
Union Olimpija Ljubljana 92.77%
Asseco Prokom Gnydia 86.92%
Power Electronics Valencia 82.92%
Fenerbahce Ulker SK 80.47%
Unicaja Malaga 78.73%
CSKA Moscow 74.55%
Montepaschi Siena 71.45%
Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius 69.36%
Spirou Charleroi 68.00%
Cibona Zagreb 64.81%
Efes Pilsen SK 61.19%
Khimki Moscow 60.46%
Olympiacos Piraeus 50.00%
Regal FC Barcelona 49.55%
Panathinaikos Athens 44.32%
Real Madrid 41.88%
Virtus Roma 32.06%
Armani Jeans Milano 27.00%

makimax

December 27th, 2010, 05:57 PM

Partizan Belgrade for next eurolegue stage move again from Pionir hall (7 000) to Belgrade arena (22 000).

jugensas

December 27th, 2010, 07:39 PM

www.sercan.de

December 27th, 2010, 07:41 PM

Honestly i just used this website :D
http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=9923

Capital78

December 27th, 2010, 09:41 PM

www.sercan.de

December 27th, 2010, 10:04 PM

But on the other hand Istanbul has got 4 big teams and Athens 3 :D

JYDA

December 27th, 2010, 10:51 PM

It would be worth to write sizes of the arenas, because in percentage attendances would be way different ;)
For example: Panathinaikos Athens has an attendance average of 8200. But arena is able to hold 18000 spectators. While let's take my home town club Zalgiris Kaunas, with average of 4962 viewers and only 5000 seats arena ;) So Zalgiris games is olways 99% full and Panathhinaikos just 45%

Hopefully Zalgiris will get 99% in the new arena as well;)

Greece

December 28th, 2010, 01:45 AM

It's more interesting if you take the average regarding the popullation.

Urban area of Istanbul has 12 million people, Athens 3 million, Tel Aviv more than 1 million,...
Urban area of Ljubljana only 300.000 people!!! So, in this case Ljubljana is absolute winner!!!

But they only have one Euroleague team and they have such high attendance because they are playing in a brand new arena...

And I'm not sure these figures are very accurate because there is no way that there were only 6,000 for Olympiakos vs. Virtus Roma on Wednesday. It looked more like 8-10,000. I think some of these figures are just estimates, because these teams obviously don't get exactly 5,000 or exactly 10,000 fans :lol:

And I think Olimpija Ljubljana cheats with attendance because for some games they have over 13,000 when their arena seats only 12,800:ohno:

Aiwa

December 28th, 2010, 10:50 AM

JYDA, I really hope so. But 80-90% would be pleasant too :)
And If we would take Olimpija Ljubljana for example, it is very possible for us to do.

drowningman666

December 28th, 2010, 11:59 AM

oh i had no idea that there's such a big attendance on Asseco Prokom games

pop1982

December 28th, 2010, 12:11 PM

But on the other hand Istanbul has got 4 big teams and Athens 3 :D

...and Istanbul teams together have 50 mil budget,teams from Athens too,and Olimpija has only 3,5 million € ;).

Capital78

December 28th, 2010, 02:20 PM

So let's compare Slovenia and Athens urban area. They have 3 million people, whole Slovenia 2 million inhabitants.

Istanbul has only 2 Euroleague teams, Fener and Efes. Here we don't speak about other teams in Turkish league.

gradski

December 28th, 2010, 05:43 PM

Average Attendances:
1. Fenerbahce Ulker (TUR)-12,875
2. Union Olimpija Ljubljana (SLO)-12,120
3. Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv (ISR)-11,300
4. Efes Pilsen Istanbul (TUR)-9,790
5. Caja Liboral (ESP)-9,490
6. Unicaja Malaga (ESP)-8,660
7. Panathinaikos (GRE)-8,200
8. Lietuvos Rytas (LTU)-7,630
9. Partizan Belgrade (SRB)-7,565
10. Power Electronics Valencia (ESP)-7,380
11. Brose Baskets (GER)-6,800
12. Olympiakos (GRE)-6,000
13. Real Madrid (ESP)-5,210
14. Zalgiris Kaunas (LTU)-4,962
15. Cholet Basket (FRA)-4,840
16. Spirou Basket (BEL)-4,760
17. Montespaschi Siena (ITA)-4,641
18. Asseco Prokom Gdynia (POL)-4,346
19. CSKA Moscow (RUS)-4,100
20. Regal FC Barcelona (ESP)-4,089
21. Virtus Roma (ITA)-3,590
22. KK Cibona Zagreb (CRO)-3,500
23. Armani Jeans Milano (ITA)-3,240
24. Khimki Moscow (RUS)-3,180

in % to Arena Capacity

Brose Baskets 100.00%
Zalgiris Kaunas 99.24%
Maccabi Tel Aviv 98.26%
Partizan Begrade 96.99%
Caja Laboral Baskonia 95.86%
Cholet Basket 94.90%
Union Olimpija Ljubljana 92.77%
Asseco Prokom Gnydia 86.92%
Power Electronics Valencia 82.92%
Fenerbahce Ulker SK 80.47%
Unicaja Malaga 78.73%
CSKA Moscow 74.55%
Montepaschi Siena 71.45%
Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius 69.36%
Spirou Charleroi 68.00%
Cibona Zagreb 64.81%
Efes Pilsen SK 61.19%
Khimki Moscow 60.46%
Olympiacos Piraeus 50.00%
Regal FC Barcelona 49.55%
Panathinaikos Athens 44.32%
Real Madrid 41.88%
Virtus Roma 32.06%
Armani Jeans Milano 27.00%

I can't believe that the best European club have such a low attendances :ohno:

Greece

December 29th, 2010, 03:08 AM

miran92

December 29th, 2010, 01:03 PM

FredPerry

December 29th, 2010, 02:20 PM

Citizens from smaller cities are usually more connected with their local teams. And Olimpia is something like a symbol of Ljubljana. Actually, whole Slovenia supports them. So, when Olimpia is 'IN' like this season, everybody in Ljubljana wants to be there.

Athens and Istanbul have a lot of strong teams in every sport and sometimes it's harder to fill the arena in 3 mil. city than in 300k city because it's harder to get that massive movement. When Olimpija is playing their euroleague match, almost everybody in Ljubljana knows about it. When Efes is playing, most of Istanbul don't care about it.

Greece

December 29th, 2010, 08:48 PM

Well last year, when Olimpija was in some kind of crisis(well it was for few years), average attendance was 4800 in arena that could hold up to 6000 spectators; that is 80% of arena.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroleague_2009%E2%80%9310_season_attendance_figures

But it is still 4,800. Aris Thessaloniki for example has an arena that seats 5,500 and it is almost always packed for Euroleague games when they were in the Euroleague. And don't say that Olimpija's old arena was very old and not modern, because Aris also uses an old arena.

miran92

December 29th, 2010, 10:48 PM

^^ I will not argue with that, I'm just sayin' that in crisis time, when there was almost no result, arena was 80% full.

BaskonistaATope

January 6th, 2011, 09:18 PM

NEW Buesa Arena (Vitoria-Gasteiz)
Arena of Baskonia

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ypmxEDFIJyw/TOpL6O7dSCI/AAAAAAAAAcI/ToVKeyZ58Q0/s1600/Interior+2.jpg

NEW Seat map
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ypmxEDFIJyw/TMqlezt8biI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/wHBYfEP0uVI/s1600/DSCF2337.JPG

Render
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ypmxEDFIJyw/TMqqzkNR70I/AAAAAAAAAZk/I1Vg1bH2oVE/s1600/DSCF2339.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ypmxEDFIJyw/TMnKr59PqBI/AAAAAAAAAYs/VmcJGRkXNHs/s400/Entrada+taquillas.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ypmxEDFIJyw/TMnKuzIShbI/AAAAAAAAAYw/7ZbqdKn5qsM/s400/Interior+1.jpg

NEW Buesa ARENA (outside)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ypmxEDFIJyw/TMnLNU-aTlI/AAAAAAAAAZE/qrySMcA0YHs/s1600/Vista+Oeste.jpg

BaskonistaATope

January 6th, 2011, 09:19 PM

more details at http://ampliacionbuesaarena.blogspot.com/

Benn

January 8th, 2011, 09:51 PM

Intriguing. I always like the segmented bowls, not a huge fan of the exterior, but a very unique bow, probably woud have kept the lower portion more round, but its neat.

Kazurro

January 20th, 2011, 06:06 PM

ska.pre

January 21st, 2011, 07:10 PM

BaskonistaATope

February 18th, 2011, 05:49 PM

New Buesa Arena
http://ampliacionbuesaarena.blogspot.com/

BaskonistaATope

June 10th, 2011, 04:23 PM

A pair of videos about thew New Buesa Arena in Vitoria-Gasteiz. Simply Spectacular !!! The closest arena to an NBA one !!
http://ampliacionbuesaarena.blogspot.com/2011/06/un-par-de-videos.html

Aiwa

June 11th, 2011, 10:21 AM

Closest to NBA? :D By what?

BaskonistaATope

January 13th, 2012, 06:54 PM

http://ampliacionbuesaarena.blogspot.com/2012/01/entregada-la-primera-fase.html

pozinhossc

January 14th, 2012, 08:53 PM

In Barcelona the problem is a complex system for getting tickets. In Madrid the new arena is far from the urban core, I hope them to return to Vistalegre.

When will be mandatory to have a 10000-seat arena for playing EL?

Real Madrid has returned to downtown Palacio de los Deportes (altghough several EL games have been played still in Caja Mágica)
and the average has increased (in part due to with ÑBA's :) hype ), the attendance has risen close to 10000 per game.

I've recently read that the mandatory 10000 capacity arena is for teams wich aspire to an A-License, the rest of teams would be obliged to only 5000 arenas; is that true?

Aiwa

January 15th, 2012, 10:58 AM

^^ As far as I know you're right ;)

eastman

January 26th, 2012, 08:54 AM

With opening of Fenerbahce Arena, now 3 Istanbul Teams have 3 different venues for their Euroleauge matches..

FENERBAHCE ULKER - FENERBAHCE ULKER SPORTS ARENA (13800)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404629_10150559296627351_612002350_9017560_496934946_n.jpg

ANADOLU EFES - SINAN ERDEM DOME (16000)

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8031/zwischenablage01a.jpg

GALATASARAY CC - ABDI IPEKCI ARENA (12500)

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5601/askisercan7kk.jpg

www.sercan.de

January 26th, 2012, 10:17 AM

the last pics shows ASKI Hall in Ankara :)

www.sercan.de

January 26th, 2012, 10:21 PM

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo24hg_galatasaray-oly-macy-oncesi-muhteym-tribunler-ve-yovlar_sport

Hope we will get the A license.

IMO good atmosphere and not such a bad average attendance

vs UNICS Kazan: 6,250 (55%)
vs FC Barcelona Regal: 11,300 (100%)
vs Asseco Prokom Gdynia: 4,585 (41%)
vs Montepaschi Siena: 11,300 (100%)
vs Union Olimpija Ljubljana: 5,890 (52%)
vs Olympiacos: 11,300 (100%)

Average: 8,438

sali_haci

January 26th, 2012, 11:47 PM

What an atmosphere tonight at Abdi Ipekci!!! Galatasaray won against Olympiacos 78-77 in overtime.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo24hg_galatasaray-oly-macy-oncesi-muhteym-tribunler-ve-yovlar_sport?start=0#from=embed

MS20

January 27th, 2012, 05:12 AM

European basketball > US basketball in atmosphere. Though that's nothing new.

Lol Fatih Terim at the game. How popular is basketball in comparison with football in Turkey? Euroleague now has some fantastic markets, that always look great on TV. If they can just find a few more in western Europe, Euroleague has a great future. It averages around 6,500 I think, but there's no reason why it can't get above 10,000 in the future.

www.sercan.de

January 27th, 2012, 10:40 AM

Basketball is no. 2 behind football.

At EL games there are 8,000-15,000 fans.

At the TBL i think its lower.

weava

January 27th, 2012, 07:41 PM

SpicyMcHaggis

January 27th, 2012, 07:48 PM

Not really..

MS20

January 28th, 2012, 04:20 AM

Basketball is no. 2 behind football.

At EL games there are 8,000-15,000 fans.

At the TBL i think its lower.

Ah thanks. Good future for Turkish bball it seems.

US College basketball > Euro basketball

Keep dreaming.

pozinhossc

February 2nd, 2012, 09:19 PM

The interior of expanded Buesa Arena:
http://resizer.elcorreo.com/resizer/resizer.php?imagen=/deliverty/demo/resources/jpg/3/2/1328121383723.jpg&nuevoancho=950&nuevoalto=570&copyright=conCopyright&encrypt=false

More on this photoslide:
http://www.elcorreo.com/alava/multimedia/fotos/baskonia/92245-baskonia-vuelve-casa-0.html

jugensas

February 2nd, 2012, 11:13 PM

Hello. From next season all A license teams must to play at 10000 seats or bigger arena's. What situation in Siena, Italy? :/

iamawesomezero

February 3rd, 2012, 07:51 AM

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 11:47 AM

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 12:22 PM

whats the new capacity?

15,290

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 12:54 PM

CSKA MOSCOW - CSKA Universal Sports hall (5500 seats) --> Megasport Arena (14126 seats)
PANATHINAIKOS ATHENS - O.A.K.A. (18500 for fans, 19250 seats with media and VIP)
OLYMPIACOS PIRAEUS - Peace & Friendship stadium (14850 for fans, 14905 with VIP)
MONTEPASCHI SIENA - Palaestra (7025 seats) --> ???
EA7 EMPORIO ARMANI MILAN - Medionalum Forum (10200 seats)
ŽALGIRIS KAUNAS - Žalgirio Arena (15688 seats)
MACCABI ELECTRA TEL AVIV - Nokia Arena (11700 seats)
ASSECO PROKOM GDYNIA - Gdynia Sports Arena (5500 seats) --> Ergo Arena (11409 seats)
CAJA LABORAL VITORIA - Fernando Buesa Arena (15290 seats)
FC REGAL BARCELONA - Palau Blaugrana (7585 seats) --> Palau Sant Jordi (17000 seats)
REAL MADRID - Palacio de Deportes de Communidad Madrid (15000 seats) or Caja Magica (12442 seats)
UNICAJA MALAGA - Palacio de Deportes J.M. Martin Carpena (11000 seats)
FENERBACHE ULKER ISTANBUL - Ulker Sports Arena (13800 seats)
ANADOLU EFES ISTANBUL - Sinan Erdem Dome (16000 seats)

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 12:55 PM

So its 10,000+ :9
New thread?! :)

I hope my club, Galatasaray, will also get the A - license

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 12:59 PM

So its 10,000+ :9
New thread?! :)

I don't think so :) But I see a big problem with Siena...:ohno:

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 01:00 PM

I hope my club, Galatasaray, will also get the A - license

No, i meant that you can open a thread for Fernando Buesa Arena :)

BTW is there a list about the average attendances at Euroleague?

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 01:04 PM

I hope my club, Galatasaray, will also get the A - license

No, i meant that you can open a thread for Fernando Buesa Arena :)

BTW is there a list about the average attendances at Euroleague?

oh no, I'm from Lithuania, so I just know about Fernando Buesa Arena :) I have in my PC EL average table :) later, I will write :) Maybe, do you know, what Siena can do?

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 01:09 PM

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 01:14 PM

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 01:17 PM

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 01:21 PM

Yes, Bilbao is really crza.y Why did they built a new Arena.

I thought Barca (12k) and Real Madird (16k) planned to built a new arena?

Currently only the italians new arenas. And maybe Maccabi a bigger one?

Ye, but I liked new Bilbao arena :) Yes, new Palau Blaugrana will have 12,000 seats, but that will be stupid, because Barcelona average is just about 4500 :(
I heard about Real, but the project is just in papers I think... By the way, why they leave Palacio Vistalagre? :O About Maccabi I don't heard...

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 01:26 PM

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 01:30 PM

Madird has got many arena, but i do not why Real Madrid moves to a new arena every year.
Actually i am still not sure about the new Barca Arena. Never seen plans or new information / news.

BTW the average attendances of the turkish clubs at EL

Fenerbahçe SK: 9.646
Galatasaray SK: 8.438
Anadolu Efes SK: 7.617

http://www.totalbarca.com/2011/news/moix-the-club-will-build-the-new-palau-blaugrana/

El Barça intends to build a new Palau Blaugrana which is ready for the 2015-16 season at a cost of EUR 75 million. It has also decided to remodel the stadium Camp Nou, but he has ruled out extending the capacity unless there is a greater demand for tickets.

You have determined the club presided over by Sandro Rosell is to build the new flag so that it is ready within four years. The only thing that is not yet known is whether to have capacity for 10,000, 12,000 or 15,000 spectators.

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 06:33 PM

So, I contact with Montepaschi television and they answer about arena, but answer is really strange: "Hello. Now we are focused on this season..."

pozinhossc

February 3rd, 2012, 06:50 PM

Ye, but I liked new Bilbao arena :) Yes, new Palau Blaugrana will have 12,000 seats, but that will be stupid, because Barcelona average is just about 4500 :(
I heard about Real, but the project is just in papers I think... By the way, why they leave Palacio Vistalagre? :O About Maccabi I don't heard...

I can answer about Madrid issue:

After the Madrid major finished La Caja Magica, he realized that the only scheduled sport event for one of the jewels (about 300M euros) for the suposed Olympic Games was the Madrid Tennis Open, (a single week every year). He offered then to Real Madrid a really economic deal (5 years, 1 million euros each) to play in the Magic Box. While it was predictable that the attendance drop (that's what happened), economically was a fantastic deal for Real Madrid. But the fans were so pissed off (not very good neighborhood, only one metro line, unsafe parking, bad view for average fans...) that the deal was cancelled at the end of the last season, and they're now in Palacio de los Deportes, (downton). Some games were still played in Caja Magica, due to schedules issues in Palacio de los Deportes

About the proposed Real madrid Arena in its own "sport city" would be built, according to some yesterday's news, if Madrid would be given the Olympic Games, wich stated that some sport would be played in the "brand new 20000 arena in Valdebebas". But its no surprise it would never be built, its been years with this rumours. Right now , Real Madrid's main priority is the renovation of the money maker Santiago Bernabeu.

I've heard the issue about low attendande in Palau Blaugrana is something to do with the strange politics of Barça about season tickets and tickets for sale for basket section.

www.sercan.de

February 3rd, 2012, 07:05 PM

Thanks. What about the Palacio Vistalegre and Madrid Arena?

So Madrid has got 3 arenas + 1 tennis stadium for basketball?

SpicyMcHaggis

February 3rd, 2012, 07:14 PM

I guess we could count Arena ZG as permanent Euroleague venue now since all 3 possible license clubs from Croatia are from Zagreb and since Dražen Petrović hall isn't Euroleague licensed anymore. Cedevita will probably play next year from Cro clubs.. good and rich club with solid fan support.. unlike KK Zagreb who barely had 2.5k people on matches this season.

jugensas

February 3rd, 2012, 07:53 PM

I can answer about Madrid issue:

After the Madrid major finished La Caja Magica, he realized that the only scheduled sport event for one of the jewels (about 300M euros) for the suposed Olympic Games was the Madrid Tennis Open, (a single week every year). He offered then to Real Madrid a really economic deal (5 years, 1 million euros each) to play in the Magic Box. While it was predictable that the attendance drop (that's what happened), economically was a fantastic deal for Real Madrid. But the fans were so pissed off (not very good neighborhood, only one metro line, unsafe parking, bad view for average fans...) that the deal was cancelled at the end of the last season, and they're now in Palacio de los Deportes, (downton). Some games were still played in Caja Magica, due to schedules issues in Palacio de los Deportes

About the proposed Real madrid Arena in its own "sport city" would be built, according to some yesterday's news, if Madrid would be given the Olympic Games, wich stated that some sport would be played in the "brand new 20000 arena in Valdebebas". But its no surprise it would never be built, its been years with this rumours. Right now , Real Madrid's main priority is the renovation of the money maker Santiago Bernabeu.

I've heard the issue about low attendande in Palau Blaugrana is something to do with the strange politics of Barça about season tickets and tickets for sale for basket section.

so Valdebebas arena will be just a sweet dream for some years?

ultEmate

February 4th, 2012, 06:15 PM

pozinhossc

February 4th, 2012, 07:39 PM

Thanks. What about the Palacio Vistalegre and Madrid Arena?

So Madrid has got 3 arenas + 1 tennis stadium for basketball?

Around 10k or over, yes. And all of them public owned: "Palacio de los deportes" by regional goverment; the other three by the council through "Madrid Espacios y Congresos", a public wealthy public enterprise (strange in Spain), wich prefers to schedule concerts and congress in the arenas, wich apparently are more profitable.
Now, apart from basket in the "Palacio de los deportes", only Vistalegre is used for sport (Atlético de Madrid handball section)

I made a quick map with stadiums and arenas in the metro area: it might be someone is missing, but the most important are there, including more or less serious proyects:

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?msid=215120003949483039435.0004b820bc51b378ac31c&msa=0&ll=40.405915,-3.657417&spn=0.137251,0.336113
(sorry i don't know how to post the map directly in the thread)

so Valdebebas arena will be just a sweet dream for some years?

I think so, it's been almost a decade, (since Real moved to the new training facilities) that proyect came out. If the Olympic Games are given to Madrid, it's very probable it's built winthin this decade (with public help i suposse), if not, i don't see the need of Real right now to own its own arena...

But never underestimate the finacial power of "The supreme being" (Florentino Perez, Real's chairman and top Spanish constructor) and his excelent relationships with the three levels of government.

astrag

February 5th, 2012, 09:23 PM

This is Bilbao Arena(Miribilla) at first it had capacity for 8500, now it has 10.000

http://static.deia.com/images/2011/09/17/concejal_1.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4086/5054079680_deeefe08dc.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_f79L5appShk/TQO0UUu0RnI/AAAAAAAAFbk/-E-5y_GxYJ0/s1600/IMG_7958-r.jpg
and different this is Bizkaia Arena, it is next to Bilbao Arena and is a pavilion multiuses it has capacity for 15500 spectators

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/p2r5/COOL2.jpg
http://a.images.blip.tv/Jcsromo-BizkaiaArena177.jpg?width=624

www.sercan.de

February 6th, 2012, 04:48 PM

So they removed the temporary stands at Bizkaia Arena?

jugensas

February 6th, 2012, 07:50 PM

So they removed the temporary stands at Bizkaia Arena?

yes :)

jugensas

February 6th, 2012, 08:40 PM

CSKA MOSCOW -M egasport Arena (14126 seats)
PANATHINAIKOS ATHENS - O.A.K.A. (18500 for fans, 19250 seats with media and VIP)
OLYMPIACOS PIRAEUS - Peace & Friendship stadium (14850 for fans, 14905 with VIP)
MONTEPASCHI SIENA - I HEARD ABOUT 11000 SEATS PLANS
EA7 EMPORIO ARMANI MILAN - Medionalum Forum (10200 seats)
ŽALGIRIS KAUNAS - Žalgirio Arena (15688 seats)
MACCABI ELECTRA TEL AVIV - Nokia Arena (11700 seats)
ASSECO PROKOM GDYNIA - Ergo Arena (11409 seats)
CAJA LABORAL VITORIA - Fernando Buesa Arena (15290 seats)
FC REGAL BARCELONA - Palau Sant Jordi (17000 seats)
REAL MADRID - Palacio de Deportes de Communidad Madrid (15000 seats) or Caja Magica (12442 seats)
UNICAJA MALAGA - Palacio de Deportes J.M. Martin Carpena (11000 seats)
FENERBACHE ULKER ISTANBUL - Ulker Sports Arena (13800 seats)
ANADOLU EFES ISTANBUL - Sinan Erdem Dome (16000 seats)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
??? - O2 Arena (former Sazka Arena) - (16805 seats)
CIBONA / KK ZAGREB - Arena Zagreb (15700 seats)
MINSK-2006 - Minsk-Arena (15086 seats)
ALBA BERLIN - O2 World Berlin (14500 seats)
??? - Budapest Sports Arena (12500 seats)
UNION OLIMPIJA - Arena Stozice (12500 seats)
GALATASARAY MEDICAL PARK - Abdi Ipekci Sports Hall (12500 seats)
VEF RIGA - Arena Riga (11200 seats)
LIETUVOS RYTAS - Siemens Arena (11000 seats)
VICTORIA LIBERTAS PESARO - Adriatic Arena (10323 seats)
BB GESCRAP - Bilbao Arena (10000 seats)
??? - The O2 Arena London (18689 seats)
PARTIZAN MT:S - Beogradska Arena (19982 seats)
??? - Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy (14524 seats)
KK Split - Spaladium Arena (10931 seats)
KK Zadar - Krešimir Ćosić Hall (10000 seats)

That will be my dream for Euroleague :D :)