Crane installation in progress, we should change the status soon to U/C !

this is one of the slowest projects in Dubai Marina, BUT at least a tiny amount of work is being done which is better than nothing, I am hope Jeetha is right and it has resumed

Resumed but never sold.

Only one person bought here :nuts: who was regretting paying 2500 psf.
His post was in the very beginning not sure if it is still there?

This was worth 2500 psf because of its location, :) also it has Silverene views.
Not so sure about that price now.

Could be Select may change use or still “build it & they will come”… In say 2020.:cheers:

01/April/2011

West Avenue

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West Avenue will feature 251 studio, one and two-bedroom flats as well as shops and restaurants in the entrance lobby.

Building work is due to begin later this year, and the scheme is earmarked for completion in mid-2011.



April 2011 and they are still playing around in the sand. Having just reviewed the layouts and being aware of Selects standard of build I think this will be a complete disaster for anyone who has invested here. Delays are typical Select of around 3 years and sold at ridiculously over priced rates. But what do I know?


It's funny whenever SP launch a new development everybody thinks their prices are way too high and out of line. Then 12 months later they look fairly cheap. West Avenue does of course appear expensive at the present time though compared to others...........only time will tell I suppose. :cheers:

^^Hind sight:lol:

Don't forget that Damac heights was launched in Feb 06 (over 5 years ago!) and they are still playing in the sand too.

Compare apples with apples Steve. This is a straight forward build, nothing tricky other than the developer.

I don't think the reason for a 5 year delay for Damac heights to start work was related to planning some how TB, more likely cash flow.

Out of interest, do you mean it has views of Silverene? As it cannot possibly have "Silverene views" as we all know, Silverene is front line right on the water, and West Avenue is boxed in on all sides by other buildings and SZR!!!!

Just wondering what you meant??

Resumed but never sold.

Only one person bought here :nuts: who was regretting paying 2500 psf.
His post was in the very beginning not sure if it is still there?

This was worth 2500 psf because of its location, :) also it has Silverene views.
Not so sure about that price now.

Could be Select may change use or still “build it & they will come”… In say 2020.:cheers:

plot


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That plot in yellow is for a hotel which seems to be on hold.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549995&page=2

Out of interest, do you mean it has views of Silverene? As it cannot possibly have "Silverene views" as we all know, Silverene is front line right on the water, and West Avenue is boxed in on all sides by other buildings and SZR!!!!

Just wondering what you meant??


views of Silverene. :banana:

I don't think the reason for a 5 year delay for Damac heights to start work was related to planning some how TB, more likely cash flow.

Authorities are being much more stringent on design checks now and NOC's take longer to process. There will certainly be a mixture of both but I don't think Damac are as cash strapped as yoy may think. They sold a lot of property in their time. 2005-2008 was hardly a cash flow crisis period.

That plot in yellow is for a hotel which seems to be on hold.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549995&page=2

once that hotel is built rear side of silverene marina views will have gone..

....... that is Silverene Tower B foundations......... 4 years ago???

That plot in yellow is for a hotel which seems to be on hold.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549995&page=2

....... that is Silverene Tower B foundations......... 4 years ago???

Yes , from November 2008 :)

....... that is Silverene Tower B foundations......... 4 years ago???

Yes , from November 2008 :)

Off course it is :lol: silly me.

Following the expose' in the March 20th edition of the Mail On Sunday regarding the dealings of Select Property in the UK, journalist Tony Hetherington is now looking into the dealings of both Select Property and the Select Group in the UAE.
If you have bought a property through either, or both of these companies , and feel that you have been misled, lied to or simply not received what you paid for thenTony would like to hear from you.
In the first instance please write to;
Tony Hetherington,
Financial Mail,
2, Derby Street,
London, W8 5TS

I reserved two apartments in another Select Group development, The Torch, in 2005, and another the following year. Following a number of well-documented problems with that project, I am now about to organise a decisive PR strike aimed at encouraging the Dubai government to hold the developer and its subsidiaries on this and other schemes to the contracts it has signed with its customers.

It is possible that SG will seek to make my life difficult in this regard, and I am keen to ensure that I am in a water-tight position legally. With this in mind, I am appealing to investors in all SG projects to establish whether there is a UK-qualified lawyer among them who would be willing to provide me with a couple of hours' free advice, in order to ensure that I can help investors without risk to my position.

If you would be willing to assist, please send me a personal message (by clicking on my username, to the left of this message).

I have begun a process that could interest anyone who owns, or is thinking of buying, property in any Select Group project:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=76496835&postcount=26219

I have begun a process that could interest anyone who owns, or is thinking of buying, property in any Select Group project:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=76496835&postcount=26219

TORCH THREAD CLOSED ?

yes was closed down no one seems to know why<

seems someone got it closed I wonder who ?????

Please use the Select thread for discussions other than construction related updates.. Its on the front page

29/April/2011

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G/W DONE?

19/August/2011

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I'm not convinced that much is happening here. Anyone see any activity during the day or is it on hold?

I doubt if they'll be rushing ahead to get on with this one; probably just enough movement to keep the regulators from taking any action.

I am sure that Select have their hands full for a while with handover of TT and completing Botanica and the three BC Towers to worry about this one, especially as they can't now sell off-plan until the building is at least 60% constructed.

No doubt they would like to see an increase in Marina property values before they relaunch this one.

Working on Friday as well.

9/September/2011

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^^Working?

I think it is an investor laying the fuse wire for the explosives :lol:

25/September/2011

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^^Working?

I think it is an investor laying the fuse wire for the explosives :lol:

:lol::lol:

G/W DONE?

OK BB let's change the status :D

OK BB let's change the status :D

Great, should be rising soon :)

Great, should be rising soon :)

Meant to be finished soon!:lol:

20/October/2011

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^^I think we are seeing something that could become another Marina Star. I would rather see an empty plot, than a partially built structure, abandoned.

There are only a bus load of employees working on this project which indicates the developers finances are not in good health.

I would imagine they are just shifting sand around to stop EMAAR repossessing the plot......

They will be in no rush at all to complete this development. Apartments will have no view at all, but a very good location...... Cheap rental units I would imagine, if they manage to build anything half decent......

^^I think we are seeing something that could become another Marina Star. I would rather see an empty plot, than a partially built structure, abandoned.

There are only a bus load of employees working on this project which indicates the developers finances are not in good health.

I would imagine they are just shifting sand around to stop EMAAR repossessing the plot......

They will be in no rush at all to complete this development. Apartments will have no view at all, but a very good location...... Cheap rental units I would imagine, if they manage to build anything half decent......

Even if they manage to build the tower, ONLY a fool will buy from them UNLESS it is sold at AED 350 psf.:nuts:

[QUOTE=True Blue;84917408There are only a bus load of employees working on this project which indicates the developers finances are not in good health.[/QUOTE]

Music to the ears of poor long suffering investors whose only crime was to have bought from Select!!!:bash:

Has Select Steve sorry Dubai Steve gone underground????

I agree. Anyone who ever decided to buy in this development from this bunch of crooks would have to be totally insane!!!! :bash:

Even if they manage to build the tower, ONLY a fool will buy from them UNLESS it is sold at AED 350 psf.:nuts:

Already above the ground level!

23/December/2011

West Avenue

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^^I think we are seeing something that could become another Marina Star. I would rather see an empty plot, than a partially built structure, abandoned.

There are only a bus load of employees working on this project which indicates the developers finances are not in good health.

Above ground already, that is fast given the very late start date.

That single bus load of employees must be doing a very efficient job then :lol:

Above ground already, that is fast given the very late start date.

That single bus load of employees must be doing a very efficient job then :lol:

I was wondering when the "Select Team" would start concentrating their efforts on this one. It's a pure insult to anyone who has invested here, to claim that this progress is fast. Work started in JULY 2010 and this is all they have acheived in 18 months. Get real!

Marina Star is still ahead of this one so lets see where we are in 3 months.

:lol: Since you work for Cayan, I expect however that you think Infinity is proceeding very well since work started in 2005 way back in the pre-boom years.

^^ The point I was making is that Marina Star has concrete poured above street level. I reported at the time that they were clearly trying to reach a milestone set by RERA. that is why I am saying, watch this space. Progress here is not good and I'm sure investors would rather have their money back than watch this rise and complete 3 years late.

:lol: Since you work for Cayan, I expect however that you think Infinity is proceeding very well since work started in 2005 way back in the pre-boom years.

As I used to say about MorrisMarina, the tactics are clear from you guys. Divert attention away from the reality with lies and deceit. You know very well that I am not associated with Cayan in any way other than I am a loyal customer. I also paid for my properties and did not receive them in part or whole, as any form of commission or payment.

Your comments about Infinty are irrelevant as the investors there are well aware of the unforeseen problems that Infinity and the developer experienced. The reality is that it will be well worth waiting for and has already established itself as the leading icon in the marina. There is no other tower that will be so eyecatching both day and night. Hope you continue to enjoy it for many years to come from your Torch apartment.

Interesting that you think providing reasonably good quality tiles and cabinets makes up for a 7 to 8 year wait. You certainly are very loyal customer indeed, Cayan must be very proud of you. :okay:

Interesting that you think providing reasonably good quality tiles and cabinets makes up for a 7 to 8 year wait. You certainly are very loyal customer indeed, Cayan must be very proud of you. :okay:

Marble floors and good quality finishes are only part of the reason why Infinity buyers are not all kicking and screaming. A payment plan linked to actual progress and with a large final payment eases the pain of the wait. Pity Select could not be so selfish and self preserving over their treatment of their loyal customers.

How is the Select customer satisfaction survey going, as head of the Propaganda department? :lol:

Marble floors and good quality finishes are only part of the reason why Infinity buyers are not all kicking and screaming. A payment plan linked to actual progress and with a large final payment eases the pain of the wait. Pity Select could not be so selfish and self preserving over their treatment of their loyal customers.

How is the Select customer satisfaction survey going, as head of the Propaganda department? :lol:

Whats the final p[aymrnt here TB?

Whats the final p[aymrnt here TB?

I can only guess that it is in line with all the other select projects and is therefore 10%. So you would be required to pay 90% once structuraly topped out and not much else done.

you're being optimistic, 3 years in reality is more like 6-10 years

I invested in 2007.... were entering 2012 in less than a week, you do the math

I assume you are referring to West Avenue and not Marina Star.

Original completion was end of 2011 and earliest completion is likely to be end of 2014, hence my 3 years late assessment. Anyway, 3 years late is the norm now for Select. Atleast they are still building and they haven't murdered you! :lol:

I can only guess that it is in line with all the other select projects and is therefore 10%. So you would be required to pay 90% once structuraly topped out and not much else done.

Sorry meant in INFINITY ?

^^Infinity was 10% down then 15% every 6 months until completion. Not sure where they are in the process as payments were put on hold and are now years out of sync with the original schedule. Final payment was 15% on completion.

Do we have any buyers of West Avenue on the forum? I would like to know if Select offered to reduce the price in return for the delays.

^^Infinity was 10% down then 15% every 6 months until completion. Not sure where they are in the process as payments were put on hold and are now years out of sync with the original schedule. Final payment was 15% on completion.

Do we have any buyers of West Avenue on the forum? I would like to know if Select offered to reduce the price in return for the delays.

I was told a couple of years ago when it was placed on hold that investors had the choice to move to another development or have a refund. It would be interesting to know if this was the case or not

^^I don't remember that being the case. At the time of the flood, the market was still booming, however there was a lot of scaremongering going on about it being cancelled which put doubt in peoples minds and diverted their attention towards Selects offerings as they were clearly the safer bet for delivering the quality. I dissagreed, I saw it as another oportunity to buy at sensible prices ;)

^^I don't remember that being the case. At the time of the flood, the market was still booming, however there was a lot of scaremongering going on about it being cancelled which put doubt in peoples minds and diverted their attention towards Selects offerings as they were clearly the safer bet for delivering the quality. I dissagreed, I saw it as another oportunity to buy at sensible prices ;)

I was talking about West Avenue not infinity, sorry

^^Oops!

Yeah, it is unusual for owners in Select development not to visit the forum and share information. Been really quiet on this thread, maybe there is an official secrets clause in the contract :lol:

Select are keeping West Avenue...not selling until Market improves again.
They are building again....but only with their profits.

Select are keeping West Avenue...not selling until Market improves again.
They are building again....but only with their profits.

Lucky Select! I wonder how they managed to have so much profit when Cayan are struggling to find enough cash to finish off their higher quality developments?

Sounds like there has been very little sold here.

Lucky Select! I wonder how they managed to have so much profit when Cayan are struggling to find enough cash to finish off their higher quality developments?

Sounds like there has been very little sold here.

Hmmm, It's very easy really. Sell your clients a high spec finish and overall complex and then continue to downgrade everything as construction progresses. Botanica looks to be the exception to the rule and who knows the true story behind works progressing again at West Avenue.....:ohno:

The original plot purchase contracts include a construction clause. EMAAR are now commencing legal proceedings to repossess all plots that are not well underway.
I am guessing Select are moving this at snails pace to prevent losing the plot.
Nothing has been sold in this development as far as I know, unless they have managed to con any complete idiots!! :bash:

I cannot believe with the awful reputation Select have, any one with a brain would buy in this boxed in location. Maybe build as a rental tower, or another "investment" or "Wealthbuilder" scam? In my experience there is always another idiot around the corner.............

Hmmm, It's very easy really. Sell your clients a high spec finish and overall complex and then continue to downgrade everything as construction progresses. Botanica looks to be the exception to the rule and who knows the true story behind works progressing again at West Avenue.....:ohno:

The original plot purchase contracts include a construction clause. EMAAR are now commencing legal proceedings to repossess all plots that are not well underway.
I am guessing Select are moving this at snails pace to prevent losing the plot.
Nothing has been sold in this development as far as I know, unless they have managed to con any complete idiots!! :bash:

I cannot believe with the awful reputation Select have, any one with a brain would buy in this boxed in location. Maybe build as a rental tower, or another "investment" or "Wealthbuilder" scam? In my experience there is always another idiot around the corner.............

Developer can build out of huge profits from previous "sell it high build it cheap" projects THE POINT , THE TORCH and BAY CENTRAL --At least 50% margin on those means he can build one more tower FREE !! - Good luck to him but he woudn't selll me anything ever again :cheers:

^^The Bay Central hotel tower is a freebie from BC sales profits also ;) Well all those buyers wanted to be part of a 5 star hotel development, what they didn't realise was they were paying for it, Select were the only ones benefitting from it.:runaway:

Just imagine that it does not become a hotel and they sell it as high quality apartments with 100% profit:eek: Watch that space!

^^

Very likely that this would be the reality. Board indicates 12 floors are for the hotel, and I personally don't think any major hotel chain would manage 12 floors in this development. The "hotel" is simply been mentioned to keep central and east tower investors happy at least for the moment.

Don't forget that Select could also sell the existing LPP agreements soon for Torch, BC and Botanica (adendums have been signed allowing for this), so they could also raise a lot of cash that way if they want to use it to finish WA off until they can sell high. I suspect they will build WA at the required pace so that it is done when the market is up again and ready to sell off.

^^

Very likely that this would be the reality. Board indicates 12 floors are for the hotel, and I personally don't think any major hotel chain would manage 12 floors in this development. The "hotel" is simply been mentioned to keep central and east tower investors happy at least for the moment.

The East tower is the hotel and if you check with the land department you will see Marriott listed along with Select and EMAAR. Do you also think a company like GCC would put a board up that says hotel if there wasn't going to be one?:ohno:

The East tower is the hotel and if you check with the land department you will see Marriott listed along with Select and EMAAR. Do you also think a company like GCC would put a board up that says hotel if there wasn't going to be one?:ohno:

Unfortunately, you still have not fully grasped what Select is capable of doing!!:ohno:

The East tower is the hotel and if you check with the land department you will see Marriott listed along with Select and EMAAR. Do you also think a company like GCC would put a board up that says hotel if there wasn't going to be one?:ohno:

GCC are only an employee not a partner, they are only operating under instruction from their paymaster.

I am certain that they will not have any involvement, at this stage, in finishing the hotel. This is normally a specialist fit out contractors role. So GCC are just doing shell and core works to the 12 floors allocated for the hotel. Will be quite easy to change these empty floors to anything they like, possibly even offices for the marinas largest developer.

The fact remains that Aslam has informed the press very recently that the hotel operator is not known at this stage, suggesting previous agreements have expired or will expire prior to handover.

Don't forget that Select could also sell the existing LPP agreements soon for Torch, BC and Botanica (adendums have been signed allowing for this), so they could also raise a lot of cash that way if they want to use it to finish WA off until they can sell high. I suspect they will build WA at the required pace so that it is done when the market is up again and ready to sell off.

That's a very good point. With bank interest rates very low globally, this could be packaged up and sold on to third parties almost like a bond with guaranteed interest. Assuming any banks or FIs have money to lend.

The East tower is the hotel and if you check with the land department you will see Marriott listed along with Select and EMAAR. Do you also think a company like GCC would put a board up that says hotel if there wasn't going to be one?:ohno:

As TB says GCC are subbies they will do anything SELECT asks for money.

The East tower is the hotel and if you check with the land department you will see Marriott listed along with Select and EMAAR. Do you also think a company like GCC would put a board up that says hotel if there wasn't going to be one?:ohno:

If Marriott (or any other half decent hotel brand) were signed up then Rahail would be shouting this from the rooftops !! I you remember a few years it was "confirmed" that the hotal was a Marriott "Rennaisance". I tend to agree with TB here (and that doesn't happen very often) I reckon the East Tower will be all residential.

If Marriott (or any other half decent hotel brand) were signed up then Rahail would be shouting this from the rooftops !! I you remember a few years it was "confirmed" that the hotal was a Marriott "Rennaisance". I tend to agree with TB here (and that doesn't happen very often) I reckon the East Tower will be all residential.

We have to remember that the majority who contribute on here also said that their would be no East tower and it's clear that there is! I also know that a number of commercial units were sold towards the end of last year in BC and discussions had to take place with the hotel operator on the type of outlets that were permitted. The legal implications (even for Dubai and Manchester) would be massive if there was no hotel and there's absolutely no reason to believe that a hotel will not be part of East tower. The speculation and guess work does nobody any favours

We have to remember that the majority who contribute on here also said that their would be no East tower and it's clear that there is! I also know that a number of commercial units were sold towards the end of last year in BC and discussions had to take place with the hotel operator on the type of outlets that were permitted. The legal implications (even for Dubai and Manchester) would be massive if there was no hotel and there's absolutely no reason to believe that a hotel will not be part of East tower. The speculation and guess work does nobody any favours

OK let's stop the speculation......... who's the hotel operator then ?? Care to enlighten us all as you appear to know so much ?

OK let's stop the speculation......... who's the hotel operator then ?? Care to enlighten us all as you appear to know so much ?

Unless anythings changed since November it's still Marriot group.

Rising!

21/January/2012

West Avenue, with mobile

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3/February/2012

West Avenue

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I don't know so much on Construction materials but those couple of woods not enough for fast progress !

new pictures?

30/March/2012

West Avenue

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11/May/2012

West Avenue

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Thanks for Slimbo :)



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Good progress and working on Friday as well.

25/May/2012

West Avenue

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Should be handed over before Silverene's get a gym :banana:

Should be handed over before Silverene's get a gym :banana:

2,000AED/ft and a minimum delay of 3 years, I think a gym is the least of the problems for investors here!

And we all know now what the Select 5 star standard looks like :lol: