politics politics! come on la. just build that damn thing.... for the sake of RAKYAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Talking about Teng Hock Nam.

A recent poll conducted by Kwong Wah e-Newspaper (http://www.kwongwah.com.my/poll/), asking about "Do you think Teng Hock Nam is an "asshole" as claimed by Lim Guan Eng.

And the result is 92% said yes, 8% said no.

I got the translation from http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/54600455.html, I hope it is right.

I sincerely apologise for talking about politics here.

The translation isn't entirely accurate. The context of the insinuation was that Teng Hock Nam was opposing, or at least raising concerns about the appointment of a female acting President of MPPP. Teng's concern was largely about legality, while also questioning the sudden early retirement of the current MPPP President.

Lim was commenting and hinting that Teng was a "bad guy" (somewhat literal translation) because of his opposition to the appointment of the female acting President. The paper reported it as if it was some sort of news, or golden truth from Lim, and proceeded to conduct the online poll.

The translation isn't entirely accurate. The context of the insinuation was that Teng Hock Nam was opposing, or at least raising concerns about the appointment of a female acting President of MPPP. Teng's concern was largely about legality, while also questioning the sudden early retirement of the current MPPP President.

Lim was commenting and hinting that Teng was a "bad guy" (somewhat literal translation) because of his opposition to the appointment of the female acting President. The paper reported it as if it was some sort of news, or golden truth from Lim, and proceeded to conduct the online poll.

Thanks!

I just think that the monorail bridge linked to SP will be close to Penang Bridge.

the monorail still in talking phase? at least 4 years already...

underground tunnel from weld quay to butterworth?

Yeah dream on guys!!

Yeah dream on guys!!


projek ini tangguh atau dibatalkan??

KIV atau pospone selagi roket masih ada di tapak pelancar!!!Ha ha.

this is gettn ridiculous..all the talks and none happening!!!! what the heck are these cartoons waiting for??? they shoot their mouth too quick with mega projects promissing this and that...wayyyyyy ahead of their head, this is public transportation, for the PEOPLE! get on with it! Even Melaka is well underway with their monorail...kecik pun takpa asalkan it's taking shape than all the cakap and gaduh for nothin!

Those politicians dont think about the rakyat,especially the low income ones that always depend on public transports...:ohno:

this is taken from anil netto blog...hopefully it's true and will happen...

Penang Transport Masterplan In The Pipeline
by Anil Netto

From what I hear, a Penang transport masterplan is in the pipeline, with the state government believed to be working now on the terms of reference.

Once the TOR are finalised, an open tender is likely be held, perhaps in the second quarter of 2010, for the actual work of formulating the masterplan, which could take about a year to complete.

The emphasis of the plan is likely to be on sustainable transport. I hope the masterplan will try and wean people away from private vehicle ownership and encourage them to switch to public transport. In line with this, the focus of new infrastructure spending should be on public transport and pedestrian networks (and perhaps even cycling facilities) rather than new highways. The masterplan should also try and maximise the potential of water-based transport in the state.

This would be a golden opportunity for the Penang state government to do something quite different from the rest of Malaysia. Transport is a big issue in Penang, with many expressing frustration with traffic jams during school and public holidays.

If the state government can get this right and come up with a viable sustainable transport masterplan, it would enhance Penang’s green credentials and help us reduce our carbon footprint.

The big question now is, would the Penang Outer Ring Road and other new highways be part of the masterplan, or can we think of more sustainable alternatives? These alternative could perhaps involve the greater use of buses (bus rapid transit?) or other alternatives that are cost-effective and more environmentally friendly, with seamless integration between various modes of transports.

We need to be creative and think of alternatives, bearing in mind the need to curb the increasing congestion in the state (more highways, which assume higher private vehicle ownership, would contribute to congestion), the declining global and domestic supply of oil (which will lead to higher oil prices in the future), and rising greenhouse gas emissions (that is causing climate chaos).

Combined with other initiatives such as campaigns to reduce the use of plastic bags and to promote the use of biodegradable food containers for Thaipusam and other festivals (and next, how about a campaign to improve our food security and self-sufficiency and to go into renewable energy in a big way?), Penang could really lead the rest of the country and even the region as a centre for green, sustainable initiatives.

If we go down this road, then we could put ourselves on the regional map as a showcase of what is possible in terms of sustainable development, much like how it has put the spotlight on the Brazilian city of Curitiba in South America.

Not only would we be enhancing the quality of life of Penangites, we would also be doing our bit to save the planet. Now that would be something to be proud of.

Hope we dun have problem like jakarta monorail...

if state government can do it without help from the federal government i will solute it...if they still wait fund from federal government just forget it...BN will never do it..they promise from early 2000 but until now there are no progress..janji tinggal janji...in malaysia..never believe what are minister or developer said until they start the project...

Politics again......
So the state government 1st step is to solve the economy problem.

a masterplan with new approach to transportation facilities is not just solving problem but it's like hitting 2 birds with one stone... 1 is solving existing transportation problem, 2 is concurrently preventing future problems like depletion of fuel and green problems. it may also actually reverse current transportation problems.

so one brilliant MASTERPLAN... for once and for all...shud bring solution forever.... really counting on it... hope to see a major change.

del

The Tram is upgrading. Finally some changes after so many years. So Penang Monorail may be a dream to come true faster.

The traffic flow in penang island is moderate, not so heavy. If everybody here want a monorail in penang just to show off to others that penang is at par with KL, just forget about it. Penang is so small to have that facility. Unless there are major changes in the masterplan which includes the urbanisation of the whole Penang State, then the monorail project become viable. If only just to cater commuters in the island, i'm sure it is a waste of money.

But the traffic at north Penang is so congested, and the flight to and from PEN had increased.

The traffic flow in penang island is moderate, not so heavy. If everybody here want a monorail in penang just to show off to others that penang is at par with KL, just forget about it. Penang is so small to have that facility. Unless there are major changes in the masterplan which includes the urbanisation of the whole Penang State, then the monorail project become viable. If only just to cater commuters in the island, i'm sure it is a waste of money.

:cheers:Well said.let it rest KIV it f:cheers:or now.:)

not so heavy?....penang traffic jam is par or can be worst than Kl...dude come to penang and feel it.....it was nightmare during peak hour... penang need a better public transport im so bored everything must be to Klang valley first.. so what left to other state?

All government transport project ends in congestion. traffic congestion, "ppl" congestion, water congestion( flood lor)
For the project, it may cause major traffic congestion. But we can solve it to have additional Rapid Penang buses along the road, or upgrade other roads to cater the traffic flow. But is there enough bus?

not so heavy?....penang traffic jam is par or can be worst than Kl...dude come to penang and feel it.....it was nightmare during peak hour... penang need a better public transport im so bored everything must be to Klang valley first.. so what left to other state?

haha! May be he/she is talking about Teluk Bahang, Balik Pulau or Jawi, Kepala Batas there... "PENANG" wat! :nuts:

Or we can say Georgetwon Metropolitan area .( Found this name in wikimapia)

BRT for Penang is enough. monorail overground will destroy the aesthetics of Penang as World Heritage Site. if build underground, the cost will be terribily high even just the part in the city center will build underground.

plan monorail for Penang is hard because traffic flow of Penang Island is not easilly to predict (maybe because i'm just half penangite), Penang Island have three commercial centers, one in Gurney-Northam Road, one in Komtar/Prangin, and Bayan Baru/Queensbay may be planned to be CBD of Penang Island because of lack of usable land for development in George Town. Don't forget the waterfront development by reclaimed land from sea along Jelutong Expressway and Tanjung Bungah, then where should the transport hub and major transfer stations for Penang Island to locate?

urban planning in penang weird sometimes, eg: population density is not high all along the Jalan Air Itam, but extremely high in Falim and Paya Terubong, make a traffic bottleneck in Air Itam Town Center, then go along Jalan Air Itam, high rise development is rare, if connect the monorail via Rifle's Range (there are alot of high rise tenements)then to city center, after Rifle's Range then where? Masjid Negeri? Botanical Gardens? urban planning by former penang municipal council sometimes can say very ridiculous, it's becoming better over time, but the old problems become nightmare of new municipal government.

remember the roads in Penang is very narrow, where should build the monorail beams? underground is too costly for 650k people in penang island, overground requires land acquisition, then protest again. remember the Penang Outer Ring Road last time?

as conclusion, flexible bus service planning for penang is solution. i suggest rapid penang operate express service that serves only major bus stations, using expressways to reduce commute time, etc. another thing, last time i heard about penang state government proposes cable car connecting penang island and butterworth, i say, it's a crap. just acquire faster ferries lah. if planned a penang monorail, why don't just link the monorail from weld quay to penang sentral (u/c), then to bukit mertajam or sungai petani or elsewhere...

I think the BRT along Jelutong expressway must be planed before building of the light waterfront. A BRT built from the old town to Queensbay is a good idea and it may extend to SEberang Prai.

BRT if in JB should be cost effective..not sure if it will work in penang..there are not to much 3laneds route to be converted into dedicated bus lanes..if taken penang bridge,jelutong expressway and jln sultan azlan, lot of people will get upset for now they are left with 2 lanes..how bout the 2 lanes stretch? can't really left driver with just one lane..

subway is too expensive for 650k population..for me above grade monorails along major route is still the best solution...other than ferries services and rapid penang improvement

My meaning is build a NEW lane parallel to the highway, not occupy the highway. But not sure it is costly or not.

Population of 650k now?
Not to worry, as our government PROPOSAL PLANNING PROPOSAL PLANNING... takes decades.. By tat time, Penang population will be double? triple?? Then monorail will not be a dreams. :banana: :banana: :banana:

lol good idea

maybe penang need a centralized commercial district, where those skyscrapers meet, that place will become monorail transit center, with wide roads. The site may be:

1. South of Jalan Kelawei, North of Jalan Macalister, East of Jalan Utama and Jalan Gottleib, West of Jalan Perak and Jalan Pangkor. (many old, unoccupied houses will be demolished for development)

2. Move the Airport to somewhere near Balik Pulau (need land reclaimation from swamplands) or Seberang Perai and the new CBD will be in Bayan Baru, Bayan Lepas, Bukit Jambul, and Batu Maung.

3. South of Jalan Magazine, East of Jalan Patani, North of Sungai Pinang, whole reclaimed land in Gat Lebuh Maccallum and Gat Lebuh Cecil, this site will be southern extension of Komtar-Prangin commercial area, but too adjecent to heritage site.

4. Two sides beside Jelutong Expressway.

With a CBD, transit lines will be easy to plan, with all lines meet around the CBD, exchange in CBD. In case of Penang, I really don't have idea where is the area need high railway density.

hmmm....build he monorail along the jelutong expressway?
Starting from the airport, monorail underground.

a)When it reaches the proposed 2nd penang bridge interchange site, became overground. (or build north to the snake temple and to the Bayan Lepas Expressway on a site)

b)And then run parallel to the Bayan Lepas Expressway and straight to the Jelutong expressway (it may connect the Light Waterfront!!). Make a large U-turn that pass through Komtar and Penang Times Square. A tram may be built from Kontar to access the old town.

c)After the Birch House station, build the track towards north along Jln Perak or Jln Macalister ( now the problem comes).

d) Then build the track alond Jln Pangkor and Jln Kelawei. Build along Jln Kelawei and the track will reach Gurney Plaza.

It may be the best choice to choose this idea because only traffic jam will occur when the construction of tracks from Gurney Plaza to Komtar. My opinion. :cheers:

the monorail will be fully utilize by local citizen? as i know most of the penangite have their own transportation, most of the penang local citizen is able to buy atleast a bike, some family even have more than 3 cars.Some of the driver will be have the mindset that monorail is for poor people.

Rapid penang has archive estimated usage percentage ?

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/34739

In 2007, Rapid Penang daily ridership was about 38,000.

Currently, Rapid Penang daily ridership is about 65,000.

The target for end of this year is 100,000.

harap2 dlm RMK 10 penang monorail diteruskan...

Yeah really hope it. We should have a 10-year mission to have metro system for major cities in this country.

make the cityscape of penang better is much more important. penang cityscape is not suitable to build elevated rail and monorail. the cost is too high because need to widen the roads, clear spaces for rail viaducts, the legal process is slow. elevated rail beams mostly build at the center of the dual carraigeway, or two beams on the sideway (like KLM at around Chow Kit), is penang have space for monorail construction? if available, how much is the compensation cost? remember, penang land value is higher than KL.

and when the government say need to use private lands and need to demolish some private propeties, then the people protest again, you ask how the government should do?

if you going to predict the penang island population exceeds 800k or a million by 10 years, sorry i have to say that, not possible. many penangite move to butterworth and bukit mertajam to live because of proximity to their working places. butterworth-bukit mertajam-kulim population will exceed penang island someday, their growth rate is tremendous, penang island's growth slowed down, very much. unless the whole northeast area of penang island to be redeveloped, roads realigned, well planned skyscraper, medium rise, low rise areas, avenues, boulevards, carriageways, alleys, pedestrian malls, monorail route, stations, etc. it is a megaproject of the megaproject, like the Tianjin redevelopment in 1990s and still ongoing now. but is Penang's development value as high as Tianjin is still questionable, or is there any Malaysian developer able to take over the job. and don't forget about the heritage site.

From world gazzeter:
Georgetown population: stunnign hor?
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/803/georgetownpop.jpg

Penang population:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4710/penangpop.jpg

From world gazzeter:
Georgetown population: stunnign hor?
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/803/georgetownpop.jpg

Penang population:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4710/penangpop.jpg

1.2m population includes butterworth and surroundings, that call George Town Metropolitan Region (urban agglomeration)

1m for that tiny island already too much. 295km2 with only approx. 35% of the land developed or able to be developed, it's population density is nearly as high as WPKL. its population is 678k as for 2007, approx. 6500 persons per km2.

that island can't sustain that much people, it will sink. unless replanning the unplanned cityscape. Penang state have approx. 1.6m people and most of them live in seberang perai. penang island have alot of problems awaiting to solve, build the monorail can't solve the traffic congestion problem, to solve the problem, penang must have good cityscape planning, well planned roads, leave some space for monorail viaducts, and good traffic dispersion. penang island cityscape can't sustain more population unless they going to reclaim land from sea, but i think redevelop the Taman Pulau Pinang, Jalan Burma, Taman Lalu Lintas, Kampung Jawa and Gat Lebuh Cecil and Macallum is better.

1. Plan where should the CBD of Penang Island be, make the place well connected by roads, and be the hub of all monorail lines (because most of the people commute to there and work).

2. Historic site should leave it be a pedestrian mall, with large parking bays build at the outskirts of the historic site, and connected by monorail of course.

3. Since monorail service is planned, the monorail should link directly to Penang Sentral, Butterworth by bridge or underground tunnel via Weld Quay.

4. Penang needs Ring Road badly, built it now and stop talking.

5. KTM should consider build underwater railway tunnel from Butterworth to Penang Island, but since Penang Sentral will be located in Butterworth, then never mind. Just please consider build underwater tunnel to pass through Sungai Perai instead of swing bridge, for future increasing traffic demand, especially to Bukit Mertajam, Bukit Tengah, and Antarabandar Services.

The bus route of Rapid Penang are less than Penang Island. The operater should have add more routes to cover more areas.
I can say, althought the population density is pulled down by the low density in Seberang Prai, Penang is still the 1st place among the state due to large land and less population in other state.

Penang island population density itself is very dense than the data suggests.......this is because the island's population is heavily concentrated on the eastern side of the island due to hilly terrain on the western side of the island...

In Kuala Lumpur, the population is evenly spread out compared to Penang island.

Penang island population density itself is very dense than the data suggests.......this is because the island's population is heavily concentrated on the eastern side of the island due to hilly terrain on the western side of the island...

In Kuala Lumpur, the population is evenly spread out compared to Penang island.

nope. Actually the west part of the island not developing is due to the political reason that UMNO dont want the kampung2 develope which will change the malay population, and hence they will lost support.

Thats why UMNO keep asking malay refuse for development at Balik Pulau area

Monorail project yet to take off

THE 1km monorail test track in Batu Kawan in Penang, which was given the nod by the state government in late November last year, has yet to get off the ground.

Deputy Chief Minister II Dr P. Ramasamy said the Penang Deve-lopment Corporation (PDC), that was overseeing the project, were currently waiting to receive building plans from MRails Sdn Bhd.

“PDC has been in discussions with them, the last meeting being about two months back.

“The corporation is now waiting for them to respond and submit their plans for the test track,” Dr Ramasamy said when contacted.

On Nov 30 last year, Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng announced that two monorail test tracks would be built in South Seberang Prai — one by MRails, and another by a company that has yet to be named.

Lim said that despite the project being undertaken by the private sector, the land for the test tracks would remain as state land and that the total cost of the projects would be borne by the respective companies.

Asked about a projected Jan 23 ground-breaking date for the MRails test track reported in an English daily, Dr Ramasamy said he was not aware of the issue.

On the second company to be given approval for another test track, he said he could not divulge any information on the matter.

Suprise to see this thread still active. I was wondering if 1 km monorail track take time to be build, what about the whole actual monorail project. What happened to the proposed tram project or aerobus?

federal cheated penangites..tax paid but get only empty promises..

I think most Penangites know that when you support Pakatan Rakyat in Penang, and make them the Penang government most, most development promise by previous government will surely be pull out.

It had happened to Kelantan, no oil royalty, even worst than Penang, everyone should know.

But why Penang people still want to support Pakatan Rakyat? :lol:

In fact, this shows that Penangites are people who has "backbone", we tell the Barisan National, nevermind, we don't need PORR and monorail. :lol:

yeah, i'm penangites, we knew it already...

actually even last time under BN, nothing develope as well <-- BN made a big mistake on this, if they really develope, it might different now

If BN really develop Penang well... PR wont stand a chance at all!!! They lose because they are SUCK!
Without this without tat? SO WAT?!!! Penangites fear no threatening :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

thats very true..we waited for >20 years to develop..at last, promise bridge, monorail during election...then we wait la..then they lost, everything wanna pull back...ok lah...lagi no chance for them...

The monorail should be built around the island as a circle line. But the west side......

Today I went for a shopping at Pavilion via Monorail and I dream that someday Penang will have this kinda transportation! Keep on dreaming!!

BN will promise Penangite to raise Penang as " Wilayah Persekutuan Pulau Pinang"

at that time, Penang can get more direct capital from central government

PORR and Monarail dream can become true !!! "dreaming....."

are u sure?? woow...

I dont usually pop in here often...buat sakit hati saja, ya think the feds are listening and really taking our opinions seriously? I mean a 5 yr old could tell that Penang in dire need of a better transportation system, Melaka yang kecik pun at least the monorail materialised, c'mmon...we manufacture our own monorail, no more excuses for costly implementation, ya gonna cost money but aint gonna be all that bad when literally all the materials are localled derived. While all the cakap cakap, start with a short stretch and in phases...better than all the waiting and lame excuses..

how about any transportation liscence? No need approval from federal?

how about any transportation liscence? No need approval from federal?

aiyo... all this approval can be done in shortly if central government intent to execute this project. rite?

lets see all this promise from BN will become true in shortly or just another A380 airplane fly through Penang sky.....

aiyo... all this approval can be done in shortly if central government intent to execute this project. rite?

lets see all this promise from BN will become true in shortly or just another A380 airplane fly through Penang sky.....

errmm...many airplane already pass the sky...:nuts:

I ask u guys a simple questionlah!If this preposed project really has got the potential what the f--k do we need the federal govn for?Get a private company to invest and go ahead and build itl.May be guan eng can convince singapore s MRT to invest may be?(From a nuetral point of viewlah)

I ask u guys a simple questionlah!If this preposed project really has got the potential what the f--k do we need the federal govn for?Get a private company to invest and go ahead and build itl.May be guan eng can convince singapore s MRT to invest may be?(From a nuetral point of viewlah)


i also hope so...but how about liscence?:nuts:

I still dont get why there are no takers for such projects? I mean they could make tons of money with ridership, advertising, retail just to name a few, Penang is an Island and traffic is lil haywired, just circling the island alone is enuf to generate lots of mullah.

Easy answer
Coz public transit is a high risk .lost making bussiness
Even rapid is a loss making entity

The only 2 transit system in the world that makes money is singapore and hong kong!!!All the other systems one way or the other gets somekind of help from the government!!

Can you guys follow this link and leave some comments for the pictures? Thank you very much.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1052601

^^ Umm did you read the thread title??,wrong place buddy...

For my opinion, public transit should get direct fund from central government. If the service provider too much care about the profit, they will try to give longer interval time (5mins,7mins and so on) can u wait for such a long interval time?

ok, lets back to the topic forget about the service quality. When Penang Monorail project re active?

is there any private sector express their interest on this project?

Don't waste money la..The population in penang is not that crowded. Using motorbike is faster and easier rather than using monorail nowadays.

sapa kata x crowded... jalan di penang semua crowded especially waktu balik kerja...

sapa kata x crowded... jalan di penang semua crowded especially waktu balik kerja...

semua tempat crowded waktu balik kerja:lol:

the rush hours in Penang is usually around 7:30am to around 8:40am in the morning and around 6/7pm in the evening. Green Lane and and Jalan Masjid Negeri traffic is so bad in the morning.

why should we wait till penang busting at the seams to come up with an efficent mass transit? quite honestly implemented accordingly...me personally would rather take public transit rather than dealing with parking and chaos on the streets...

I remember seeing some old photos of penang u guys had trams there!!!I wonder who is the bijak pandai decided to take it apart?

why should we wait till penang busting at the seams to come up with an efficent mass transit? quite honestly implemented accordingly...me personally would rather take public transit rather than dealing with parking and chaos on the streets...

me would rather take the motorbike..it cheaper,easier and faster..
with car are stuck jammed, safety is assured coz nobody move nobody can hit you.

have taken public transport b4.. but the ticket price is the same with driving my wira to work, not to mention slow and aiyoo can't stand standing 1 hour each day to n from work..

federal participitation is great, but they didn't exacly do anything in their own backyard (klang valley) u wan them to solve it in penang..

best way is the state to do JV for monorail, have the station near gov land so they can get value development to subsidies the cost..based on kl monorail. the project almost work..but need few fine tuninglah..

the rush hours in Penang is usually around 7:30am to around 8:40am in the morning and around 6/7pm in the evening. Green Lane and and Jalan Masjid Negeri traffic is so bad in the morning.

Its time for new highway i suppose, let say PORR and other mass transit like we all talking about, but PORR is something that most Penangites hate most i think?

penangites need PORR and MONORAIL.......

PORR and Pan Island Expressway (Whole Route 6 being upgraded), with Southwest Penang developed?

Penang Monorail still in talking phase? 4 years already. It will be never materialize, believe me.

With all those political issue.. I suggest we just close this thread easy!!!!
Unless, BN takes over PG or PKR takes over Putrajaya...

:deadthrea :deadthrea

With all those political issue.. I suggest we just close this thread easy!!!!
Unless, BN takes over PG or PKR takes over Putrajaya...

:deadthrea :deadthrea

Read this !

From Wikipedia :::
The Penang Second Bridge is a new bridge under construction in Penang, Malaysia. It will connect Batu Kawan on the mainland Seberang Perai and Batu Maung on Penang Island. It will be the second bridge to link the island to the mainland after Penang Bridge. The total length of the RM 3 billion bridge is 24 km (15 miles) and will become the longest bridge in Malaysia and Southeast Asia. China Harbour Engineering Co Ltd (CHEC) expected to start work on the second Penang bridge in November 2007 for completion in 2011, but it was then postponed for completion in May 2012, as the construction started late in November 2008, due to the unreasonable demand from United Engineers Malaysia Berhad (UEM Group) which caused the large delay. To reduce the cost of construction, its design was then modified to resemble the first cable stayed Penang Bridge. The bridge will be built with a large loan from the People's Republic of China.[1]

From The Star ::: (http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/4/27/business/6134359&sec=business)
KUALA LUMPUR: The estimated cost of RM4.5bil for the second Penang bridge may be revised downwards once the final package of jobs is awarded by end-May.

Its cost increased ADDITIONAL RM1.5bil. I don't know if the additional money was from Penang Monorail.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penang_Monorail)

The Penang Monorail is a proposed monorail line to be constructed under the Ninth Malaysia Plan and Northern Corridor Economic Region (NCER). It will be located on Penang Island. Two lines will be built, with possible extensions to Province Wellesley in the future. The 37km system is expected to cost RM 1.6 billion[1]. After the mid-term review of the Ninth Malaysia Plan, the project has been postponed indefinitely, which generated mixed reactions from NGOs, and politicians[2].

What made this RM1.5b shifted ??? Anyone can tell?

The reason why the cost for the Penang Bridge is because the cost of the material increases. Maybe thats why the PORR and Penang monorail is postponed. For my opinion, the government never invest money into the Monorail because it is still in discussion stage, and never announce to choose the company to build the monorail.

penangites need PORR and MONORAIL.......

Ah..not just Penangites, visitors and tourists too! It's so daunting taking public transport in Penang. Although Rapid Penang buses are a marked improvement, frequency could be better - eg. buses plying the beach resorts in Tg Bungah and Bt Feringghi for example take about 25-30 minutes to arrive. And of course, taxis - still running on meter-less rates! Can't understand why it's so difficult to implement and enforce metered fares <sigh>

The govt should realise that with the recent liberalisation of air travel resulting in a jump in direct flights from S'pore and elsewhere, there is much tourism potential to be tapped. Penang is now just a hop skip and a jump away for many eyeing a quick holiday getaway, but its attractiveness as a destination will be dampened if transportation issues remain - because no visitor on a tight schedule likes spending time waiting for buses at bus stops that have no seats or shelters, or being fleeced by unscrupulous taxi drivers out to make a quick buck. Renting a car is no fun either if the streets are congested.

I'm sure the monorail (if implemented) will work wonders for Penang's attractiveness in the same way that the skytrain made BKK so much more pleasant to visit.

The reason why the cost for the Penang Bridge is because the cost of the material increases. Maybe thats why the PORR and Penang monorail is postponed. For my opinion, the government never invest money into the Monorail because it is still in discussion stage, and never announce to choose the company to build the monorail.

Penang Monorail

The Penang Monorail is a proposed monorail line to be constructed under the Ninth Malaysia Plan and Northern Corridor Economic Region (NCER). It will be located on Penang Island. Two lines will be built, with possible extensions to Province Wellesley in the future. The 37km system is expected to cost RM 1.6 billion. After the mid-term review of the Ninth Malaysia Plan, the project has been postponed indefinitely, which generated mixed reactions from NGOs, and politicians.

Stations

The names of all the stations on the monorail are still mostly unknown, although the main stops are confirmed. The Red Line will run between Tanjung Tokong and the Penang International Airport via Scotland Road, Jalan Air Itam and the Penang State Mosque. The Green Lane will run between Paya Terubong and Weld Quay Terminal, via Jalan Air Itam, Jalan Dato' Keramat, and Kompleks Tun Abdul Razak (Komtar). The interchange will be situated at Jalan Air Itam.

Project Status

Bidding Phase
The tender for the Project has been closed since 16 November 2007. Some of the contenders for the project were Melewar Industrial Group Bhd (MIG) and Putera Capital Bhd.

On 10 January 2008, the government announced the winner of the tender, which is a consortium led by Malaysian Resources Corporation Bhd. (MRCB) The members of the consortium includes Scomi Engineering Bhd and Penang Port Commission. According to The Edge, a Malaysian business newspaper, Malaysian Resources Corporation will build the monorail infrastructure, while Scomi Engineering will provide consultant expertise in building the infrastructure and Penang Port Commission have the land on to which the main hub will operate. The tender cost is expected to be at MYR 1.6 billion. MRCB also operated a joint venture with Pelaburan Hartanah Bumiputera Bhd to build the inter-modal transportation hub called Penang Sentral. The Letter of Intent was awarded to MRCB and Penang Port by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd on 15 January 2008, although the final solution of the lines and stations is not out yet.

Re-bidding by Other Parties
On April 2008, Melawar Industrial Group proposed to the opposition led state government an MYR 2.2 billion railway solution which operate on a single line and run on three different loops from locations like Gelugor, Farlim in Air Itam and Gurney Drive into the city. The system will feature steel structures and will run near the state's heritage buildings. In response, the state government will consider such proposal and may carry out the project by themselves instead of waiting for the federal government.

Post-postponement
After the mid-term review of the Ninth Malaysia Plan, which was tabled in Parliament on June 26 2008, the monorail project, along with the Penang Outer Ring Road has been postponed indefinitely.

Penang Monorail

The Penang Monorail is a proposed monorail line to be constructed under the Ninth Malaysia Plan and Northern Corridor Economic Region (NCER). It will be located on Penang Island. Two lines will be built, with possible extensions to Province Wellesley in the future. The 37km system is expected to cost RM 1.6 billion. After the mid-term review of the Ninth Malaysia Plan, the project has been postponed indefinitely, which generated mixed reactions from NGOs, and politicians.

Stations

The names of all the stations on the monorail are still mostly unknown, although the main stops are confirmed. The Red Line will run between Tanjung Tokong and the Penang International Airport via Scotland Road, Jalan Air Itam and the Penang State Mosque. The Green Lane will run between Paya Terubong and Weld Quay Terminal, via Jalan Air Itam, Jalan Dato' Keramat, and Kompleks Tun Abdul Razak (Komtar). The interchange will be situated at Jalan Air Itam.

Project Status

Bidding Phase
The tender for the Project has been closed since 16 November 2007. Some of the contenders for the project were Melewar Industrial Group Bhd (MIG) and Putera Capital Bhd.

On 10 January 2008, the government announced the winner of the tender, which is a consortium led by Malaysian Resources Corporation Bhd. (MRCB) The members of the consortium includes Scomi Engineering Bhd and Penang Port Commission. According to The Edge, a Malaysian business newspaper, Malaysian Resources Corporation will build the monorail infrastructure, while Scomi Engineering will provide consultant expertise in building the infrastructure and Penang Port Commission have the land on to which the main hub will operate. The tender cost is expected to be at MYR 1.6 billion. MRCB also operated a joint venture with Pelaburan Hartanah Bumiputera Bhd to build the inter-modal transportation hub called Penang Sentral. The Letter of Intent was awarded to MRCB and Penang Port by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd on 15 January 2008, although the final solution of the lines and stations is not out yet.

Re-bidding by Other Parties
On April 2008, Melawar Industrial Group proposed to the opposition led state government an MYR 2.2 billion railway solution which operate on a single line and run on three different loops from locations like Gelugor, Farlim in Air Itam and Gurney Drive into the city. The system will feature steel structures and will run near the state's heritage buildings. In response, the state government will consider such proposal and may carry out the project by themselves instead of waiting for the federal government.

Post-postponement
After the mid-term review of the Ninth Malaysia Plan, which was tabled in Parliament on June 26 2008, the monorail project, along with the Penang Outer Ring Road has been postponed indefinitely.

I think it is postphoned indefinitely because:-

1. BN lost Penang state to PKR on 8 March 2008
2. Pak Lah stepped down 1 April 2009

Scomi, is a company owned by Pak Lah's son.

I think it is postphoned indefinitely because:-

1. BN lost Penang state to PKR on 8 March 2008
2. Pak Lah stepped down 1 April 2009

Scomi, is a company owned by Pak Lah's son.


AND ALL BECOME CRYSTAL CLEAR.........

"* Implementation of the high capacity Mass Rapid Transit system in Kuala Lumpur, covering a radius of 20km from the city centre with a total length of about 150km, will be able to serve up to two million passenger trips per day from 480,000 trips on current urban rail systems.

* Increase the percentage of public transport usage in Greater KL from 12 per cent in 2009 to 30 per cent in 2015.

* Public land transport system will be expanded to other cities with the introduction of the Bus Rapid Transit system in Iskandar, Johor, while the number of public buses in Penang will be increased by 200 buses to enable the expansion of 26 routes with an added capacity of 75,000 passengers per day."

Let us imagine all the 200 buses been added on our small road... they are out of their mind now!:nuts:

Not surprised. Just another case of Remote Planning Without Consultation...like the Botanical Gate :lol:
The State keeps mum incase no buses or help come this way at all.
Best strategy is to take whatever's given:|

"* Implementation of the high capacity Mass Rapid Transit system in Kuala Lumpur, covering a radius of 20km from the city centre with a total length of about 150km, will be able to serve up to two million passenger trips per day from 480,000 trips on current urban rail systems.

* Increase the percentage of public transport usage in Greater KL from 12 per cent in 2009 to 30 per cent in 2015.

* Public land transport system will be expanded to other cities with the introduction of the Bus Rapid Transit system in Iskandar, Johor, while the number of public buses in Penang will be increased by 200 buses to enable the expansion of 26 routes with an added capacity of 75,000 passengers per day."

Let us imagine all the 200 buses been added on our small road... they are out of their mind now!:nuts:


why do we hav to put up statements like tht??? all bird talks. Would love to c how they will execute such plan.

I think it is postphoned indefinitely because:-

1. BN lost Penang state to PKR on 8 March 2008
2. Pak Lah stepped down 1 April 2009

Scomi, is a company owned by Pak Lah's son.

That's what happen when you have all tax money controlled by the central government. This is BN's so-called 1-Malaysia concept (equal to all except opposition parties). The best distribution of the tax money is to set a portion (say 10%) of the total to help those less developed states, a portion for general purpose like defense and emergency funds. Then distribute the rest to each state according to the ratio it contributes.

That's what happen when you have all tax money controlled by the central government. This is BN's so-called 1-Malaysia concept (equal to all except opposition parties). The best distribution of the tax money is to set a portion (say 10%) of the total to help those less developed states, a portion for general purpose like defense and emergency funds. Then distribute the rest to each state according to the ratio it contributes.

We all know very well that what you suggest WILL NEVER HAPPEN as long as BN are in power.

I found T&T Konsult yg mempunyai Penang Monorail alignment >
http://www.ttkonsult.com.my/projects_infrastructure.asp
Monorail Alignment, Penang
Carried out feasibility alignment study and preliminary design of the purposed Monorail transit system for the Penang Island. The main line links Tanjung Bungah to Bayan Lepas Airport passing through the city center including Komtar and other commercial and residential areas for a length of 31 km with 26 stations. Study also include a spur line to Air Hitam (5km) and a connection to the mainland via tunnels (6km) to end at Butterworth town.

http://www.ttkonsult.com.my/images/projects/Monorail-Alignment,-Penang.jpg

melaka dah ada monorail.....

penang monorail pliz built....

melaka dah ada monorail.....

penang monorail pliz built....

i'd rather have more buses than a nonfunctional monorail like malacca.

maybe they are thinking to make malacca town as fake as a theme park rather than a real, living city, then the monorail is a good addition to their theme park.

penang needs proper rail transport solutions.

igt senang2 ke nak buat monorail?
must have proper plan and a lot of funding!

bukan LGE pon dh bgi kebenaran kt mrails utk buat fake fake melaka like monorail ker kat batu kawan

itu pon x jalan,mcm mne lah boleh buat 'real' monorail

How about a bus rapid transit (BRT) like Curitiba, Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit

Use normal bus or long buses with dedicated bus lanes.
Probably cheap and relatively easy to implement at least until we get go ahead for monorail. Penang needs to think out of the box to overcome obstacles.

Dedicated bus lanes are probably difficult to implement due to lack of land. But an ideal candidate would be the Coastal Road, Gurney Drive to Tanjung Tokong. If you convert some roads to one way, also doable. Buses must be on time, and efficient. You could add sensors along the bus lanes to ensure the drivers arrive on time. Or maybe GPS can be used.

http://lionel.textmalaysia.com/wp-content/old/7/6/5171/1.gif

Penang Monorail project been "postpone" long time ago but I'm still dreaming of it! XD..

The longer we wait for the monorail, chances will become less and less. Land prices will go up, which they are now.

I like it.

Masterplan Penang monorail dah sedia..dan ia tak de laluan atas Penang bridge lah ..that's impossible sebab jambatan itu tak boleh terima keberatan lagi..kan runtuh klo monorail track ada di atasnya :lol: Jangan lupa Penang ada projek Penang Sentral yg klo tgk masterplan di bawah ni ..dia akan connect to the hub of transport at the mainland (Bus, Taxi, Ferry, KTM) in Butterworth! hmm maybe we can see monorail bridge which crossing to the mainland at the narrow sea passage nearby :cheers:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9233/rajah13134sk.jpg

http://www.ttkonsult.com.my/images/projects/Monorail-Alignment,-Penang.jpg

Walaupun semua ni belum jadi realiti...tpi inilah yg kita boleh bayangkan skrg..let's hope penang 2nd bridge siap dulu lah!

Tpi sayang projek Penang Monorail masih tak de allocation? ni adalah data dari TheStar pada tahun 2008..

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/6/27/nation/n_04midterm9mp.jpg

bukan LGE pon dh bgi kebenaran kt mrails utk buat fake fake melaka like monorail ker kat batu kawan

itu pon x jalan,mcm mne lah boleh buat 'real' monorail

Double-track pon kena kacau.

Good Design by ps5. But it shows that most of the rails are concentrated in Penang Island but are less advanced in Seberang Perai. Inspired, I came out with a design to compensate ps5's design.

However, it is a dream. Because it requires huge amount of money to be invested. For instance, Singapore's North East Line with a distance only 20km costs around RM 10.6 billion. The cost was huge mostly because of the land value in Singapore.

Rapid transit is the best choice because the train can travel up to 90km/h, moving people in a fast pace. But it is expensive to build.

Monorail trains travel much slower and the rail may destroy the scenery of a city if it is not built properly. But the building cost is cheaper than rapid transit.

The best option for this moment is investing more fund in public bus system and integrating them, which RapidPenang has been doing and will continue to do.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xF-eYMp7U_0/TO5SDy5mOII/AAAAAAAAACs/vl-6hdbSHRs/s1600/PRT.jpg

And I think the government is not willing to spend lots of money in building rapid transit as well.

The Penanti station is close to the cemetery, so imagine when all ppl wanted to go there and takes all sorts of things...

very good design but can only dream of it!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xF-eYMp7U_0/TO-ASEPiOAI/AAAAAAAAAC8/pnBrjHeg-og/s1600/PRT2.jpg

i think soon we can expect to see a transit or monorail in penang..... coz under the new govt.... things are moving fast.... now plans for roads are becoming close to reality... next or concurrently would be monorail.... things in penang are somewhat brighter now... pg state govt is not stupid to wait for the dumb federal govt to take their own sweet time to act.... penang govt is hooking up alternatives like privately funded road projects and lot more redevelopment by giving open-tenders and all.. very productive i would say.... if we wait for federal govt with favouritism toward klang valley and BN fort & stronghold like JB iskandar, we can go to zaman batu liao.... i'm much less worrid now... i trust the current penang govt.... penang is the top for FDI... penang is the first for state housing board in the country.. the batu kawan scheme... lot more....

i think soon we can expect to see a transit or monorail in penang..... coz under the new govt.... things are moving fast.... now plans for roads are becoming close to reality... next or concurrently would be monorail.... things in penang are somewhat brighter now... pg state govt is not stupid to wait for the dumb federal govt to take their own sweet time to act.... penang govt is hooking up alternatives like privately funded road projects and lot more redevelopment by giving open-tenders and all.. very productive i would say.... if we wait for federal govt with favouritism toward klang valley and BN fort & stronghold like JB iskandar, we can go to zaman batu liao.... i'm much less worrid now... i trust the current penang govt.... penang is the top for FDI... penang is the first for state housing board in the country.. the batu kawan scheme... lot more....

true, even last time Penang state and federal government under BN, all are merely sweet empty promisses, no more trust to BN anymore:cheers:

true, even last time Penang state and federal government under BN, all are merely sweet empty promisses, no more trust to BN anymore:cheers:

1st of all, the RM1.2b of monorail has been channeled to 2nd PG bridge. The 2nd Penang bridge cost "escalated" up from RM3b to RM4.5b, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly, I heard that Penang is NOT suitable to build MRT nor LRT nor (even) Monorail. The population and human passengers rate are not up to minimum requirement, which non of the private investors wanted to build on their own money, unless being financially backed by gov, be it state or federal.

If I am doing my personal survey, I would think the same exactly.
1. how many passengers of Rapid PG in daily? you can see many buses are having few passengers during off peak, some even no passenger.
2. how many people will take, said LRT, in Penang? If many people decided to drive/ride in Penang. you can see that car or motorbike can park everywhere easily, for free. If it is being summoned, many do not pay it.

Since it is having relatively cheap in parking, who still want to take public transport? A very good example, I think, would be many factory executives decided to drive to factory from Butterworth to Penang, although there are FREE buses for them.

1st of all, the RM1.2b of monorail has been channeled to 2nd PG bridge. The 2nd Penang bridge cost "escalated" up from RM3b to RM4.5b, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly, I heard that Penang is NOT suitable to build MRT nor LRT nor (even) Monorail. The population and human passengers rate are not up to minimum requirement, which non of the private investors wanted to build on their own money, unless being financially backed by gov, be it state or federal.

If I am doing my personal survey, I would think the same exactly.
1. how many passengers of Rapid PG in daily? you can see many buses are having few passengers during off peak, some even no passenger.
2. how many people will take, said LRT, in Penang? If many people decided to drive/ride in Penang. you can see that car or motorbike can park everywhere easily, for free. If it is being summoned, many do not pay it.

Since it is having relatively cheap in parking, who still want to take public transport? A very good example, I think, would be many factory executives decided to drive to factory from Butterworth to Penang, although there are FREE buses for them.

that's true! the public's perception of public transport is also an obstacle, besides money. Many of those already used to driving their own vehicle will continue to drive. Unless the public transport is really efficient and the people are "forced" out of their private vehicles (through congestion charges or something), ridership will be low.

i disagree however that the population of Penang is too low. Tiny cities like Rennes and Bilbao have metro systems. Then again, Penang is not as rich as they are

1st of all, the RM1.2b of monorail has been channeled to 2nd PG bridge. The 2nd Penang bridge cost "escalated" up from RM3b to RM4.5b, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly, I heard that Penang is NOT suitable to build MRT nor LRT nor (even) Monorail. The population and human passengers rate are not up to minimum requirement, which non of the private investors wanted to build on their own money, unless being financially backed by gov, be it state or federal.

If I am doing my personal survey, I would think the same exactly.
1. how many passengers of Rapid PG in daily? you can see many buses are having few passengers during off peak, some even no passenger.
2. how many people will take, said LRT, in Penang? If many people decided to drive/ride in Penang. you can see that car or motorbike can park everywhere easily, for free. If it is being summoned, many do not pay it.

Since it is having relatively cheap in parking, who still want to take public transport? A very good example, I think, would be many factory executives decided to drive to factory from Butterworth to Penang, although there are FREE buses for them.

if Penang build LRT / MRT, surely most ppl will take now, as more congested now. And most importantly, a bus cant commit a prompt schedule for passenger, but LRT/MRT would be much faster and prompt.

Somemore a lot of tourist come to Penang would take it too for VERY SURE.

an interesting question is: would Melaka population bigger than Penang? but why they been granted fund and liscense to build LRT and comming soon tram and skybus....?

(of course, Penangites would not demand a low quality monorail like the one built at Melaka):cheers:

BN is trying to cheat Penangites and trying to marginalise Penang for VERY VERY SURE

if Penang build LRT / MRT, surely most ppl will take now, as more congested now. And most importantly, a bus cant commit a prompt schedule for passenger, but LRT/MRT would be much faster and prompt.

Somemore a lot of tourist come to Penang would take it too for VERY SURE.

an interesting question is: would Melaka population bigger than Penang? but why they been granted fund and liscense to build LRT and comming soon tram and skybus....?

(of course, Penangites would not demand a low quality monorail like the one built at Melaka):cheers:

BN is trying to cheat Penangites and trying to marginalise Penang for VERY VERY SURE

Lol..datuk ali also chunning out the same song as LGE ler... no fed fund build out of what sort of deal with private co..

In mlk as well as png u hear the same aerorail n trans song..song bout png 3rd bridge tunnel and selat melaka bridge..mlk give main2 monorail.song give land 2 mtrans 4 "test track monorail"

If transit system are commercially viable (except 4 hk n sg where gov invest madly with $$$ n careful planning) all city over the world will have a great transit system lah.

1st of all, the RM1.2b of monorail has been channeled to 2nd PG bridge. The 2nd Penang bridge cost "escalated" up from RM3b to RM4.5b, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly, I heard that Penang is NOT suitable to build MRT nor LRT nor (even) Monorail. The population and human passengers rate are not up to minimum requirement, which non of the private investors wanted to build on their own money, unless being financially backed by gov, be it state or federal.

If I am doing my personal survey, I would think the same exactly.
1. how many passengers of Rapid PG in daily? you can see many buses are having few passengers during off peak, some even no passenger.
2. how many people will take, said LRT, in Penang? If many people decided to drive/ride in Penang. you can see that car or motorbike can park everywhere easily, for free. If it is being summoned, many do not pay it.

Since it is having relatively cheap in parking, who still want to take public transport? A very good example, I think, would be many factory executives decided to drive to factory from Butterworth to Penang, although there are FREE buses for them.

It's easier to build the second bridge as there is pressing need for it and the cost of land acquisition was very minimal.

I disagree with the fund for the monorail/LRT being channeled to supplement extra cost of Penang Bridge. Financing package is different i'm sure they can work it out. And doesn't matter how much is the initial cost, in Malaysia, it will surely balloon anyway. This is before the days of open tender implemented.

Despite all the hypes, the fed played revenge to the people of Penang by pulling out the project. There is a need to, to build rail-based public transport in Penang. The population on the island is more than enough to justify the needs of monorail/LRT.

I'm a Penangite i might be bias, but i do really think JB and Penang need LRT systems.

As for the empty buses, the stigma and perception we can't change overnight. Public buses are for the lower income group and the pendatangs (Indon, Bangla, Viet) that's how public think. If i were on a hurry to catch my flight at PEN, i wouldn't dare to take bus because the traffic is not guaranteed especially on weekdays around Bayan Lepas. With LRT, it's 90% certain i will arrive within guaranteed time.

I do believe before the implementation of MRT, there are many things can be improved by Rapid Penang. What took them so long to put Touch N Go reader on the buses???

Lol..datuk ali also chunning out the same song as LGE ler... no fed fund build out of what sort of deal with private co..

In mlk as well as png u hear the same aerorail n trans song..song bout png 3rd bridge tunnel and selat melaka bridge..mlk give main2 monorail.song give land 2 mtrans 4 "test track monorail"

If transit system are commercially viable (except 4 hk n sg where gov invest madly with $$$ n careful planning) all city over the world will have a great transit system lah.

if melaka have careful planning, it wont have the lousy monorail:cheers:


the allocation for heritage is double for melaka (yet directly to the state government) yet georgetown heritage area is double the size of melaka heritage (and the fund is channel to an appointed company instead of state government)

thats how melaka wasted fund by try an error due to enormous fund allocated (monorail, eye of malaysia etc..):cheers:

if melaka have careful planning, it wont have the lousy monorail:cheers:


the allocation for heritage is double for melaka (yet directly to the state government) yet georgetown heritage area is double the size of melaka heritage (and the fund is channel to an appointed company instead of state government)

thats how melaka wasted fund by try an error due to enormous fund allocated (monorail, eye of malaysia etc..):cheers:

Call this a political drama. Tired of them (APCO) already.

Lol..datuk ali also chunning out the same song as LGE ler... no fed fund build out of what sort of deal with private co..

In mlk as well as png u hear the same aerorail n trans song..song bout png 3rd bridge tunnel and selat melaka bridge..mlk give main2 monorail.song give land 2 mtrans 4 "test track monorail"

If transit system are commercially viable (except 4 hk n sg where gov invest madly with $$$ n careful planning) all city over the world will have a great transit system lah.

I have observed how HK and SG MRT companies can make profit, while many others suffered profit which need gov to subsidized.
1. HK and SG MRT companies have properties and lands nearby MRT to develop. The properties (for shop lots, offices) are their cash cow for self sustaining. These ideas, which I think our KL new MRT are trying to learn from? If not, why wanted to have taken some "strategic" existing properties and to rebuild?
2. HK and SG are controlling their private vehicles and traffic laws very strictly. Private vehicles (included motorcycle) are only allowed to park at designated parking lot. The vehicles are required to pay "not-so-cheap" parking fee, monthly rental fee (in HDB of Singapore as example), and expensive summon. Can you see people simply park their bikes or car easily in these 2 cities? (remembering that these 2 gov are top 10 efficient in the world)
3. Strategic location to have MRT station, as usual.
4. Their petro price not so cheap.

People always choose for option:
a. if MRT/LRT fare is reasonable?
b. Can I drive/ride cheaper (in total cost, included parking) than taking LRT?

I can tell you, it is always faster to drive/ride than taking LRT/MRT. Be it in HK or SG or any other cities (except few like Bangkok). But, it is the cost of self drive/riding and owning a vehicle is not worth than taking public transport in SG or HK. If one day, HK and SG gov let their citizen to ride and park their bikes, everywhere with cheap or free like Malaysia. How do you think these MRT companies will profit? They may want their gov to think twice !

Penang is supposedly to be built as two line monorail service now abandoned. On the matter, heard rumours of revival please confirm if it's true.

Considering the population and cost/benefit, monorail is the best option for Penang.

Back to Klang Valley, there is much need to be done on improving the MRT implementation, it is not yet optimal.not KL-style monorail though. If Penang goes for monorail then they need trains of at least 6-8 carriages length with room for expansion.

My preference is still light rail - rapid tram at street level outside of the city, then underground in the city. This also allows more flexibility in terms of connections with Sebarang Prai, which also needs improved public transport but not necessarily monorail.

And we do not want Penang to make the same mistake as KL with having too many different rail technologies. One flexible technology will help keep costs low.

The newest tram designs do not have to have overhead wires as they can use continuous induction power or have flywheels to take up energy through induction at major stops.

Cheers, m

not KL-style monorail though. If Penang goes for monorail then they need trains of at least 6-8 carriages length with room for expansion.

My preference is still light rail - rapid tram at street level outside of the city, then underground in the city. This also allows more flexibility in terms of connections with Sebarang Prai, which also needs improved public transport but not necessarily monorail.

And we do not want Penang to make the same mistake as KL with having too many different rail technologies. One flexible technology will help keep costs low.

The newest tram designs do not have to have overhead wires as they can use continuous induction power or have flywheels to take up energy through induction at major stops.

Cheers, m

I agree with you allurban. Just back from Penang after years not been there. The UNESCO status had really gave the city a much needed push in terms of conservation and I can see it has potential to polish some of its forgotten buildings into a gem! In fact, given the right actions, it could even trump Singapore in conservation efforts which had torn down many of its crucial heritage buildings.

The monorail is going to be pins and needles to the eye among the atmospherical streetscape. Imagine two ugly lines of concrete slabs hovering above pre-war and colonial buildings.. Please, don't create another Masjid Jamek..

Because George Town is so walkable, trams are the best mode of transport and could easily transport thousands in an hour. It is a low-density zone, you don't need heavy rail. Plus, trams are cheap, fast, user-friendly and at a human scale. All George Town needs now is more plants for shading to encourage pedestrian-based movements.

A probable model is Amsterdam where trams serve almost every corner of the inner city and a metro system to serve the coastal suburban corridor from Tg Bungah down to Bayan Lepas as well as the Air Itam valley. Problem solved.

Another option is to tram it all the way with the outer areas running on off-road tram line whenever possible. Stations can be sparser along highway corridors, just like the bus!

Also, I would like to see Weld Quay being made a terminus for most lines rather than Komtar, which should be made a major interchange. This is to encourage the use of ferry services (part of public transport) than to crowd the bridge with trams (and also longer journeys to and from Butterworth). Shuttle ferries should be modernised, have their frequencies increased and made available free or at a discounted price to all tram ticket holders continuing journey on either side of the state.

Another argument is to make Weld Quay a complementary part of Penang Sentral. Who says a "Sentral" should only be confined to a "central" complex? Both Butterworth and Weld Quay should jointly hold the name Penang Sentral and the ferry services should be made the vital link between them. That said, said, a Penang islander can effectively purchase a ticket and "board" the train at Weld Quay by arriving only at "Penang Sentral" station. The ferry journey is nothing more than a transfer service within a station.

The only issue I see with trams, apart from traffic management during construction is the mechanic garages along Beach Street who would want to retain their business which could maintain the historical economic fabric of the old town. Tram lines along this stretch would definitely be affected with heavy volumes of vehicles crossing the street. Also affected are the street vendors who would also not quite appreciate the new addition on the street if they have to push their carts across tram lines every day. That's just my own speculation.

Sorry to detract, but could someone tell me which is the best forum to post about tram/monorail systems on Penang?

Sure enough but see the big picture guys anything planned for penang must include both sides.What the hack a tunnel linking the island to the mainlland for trains will be the ultimate goal to take the traffic away from the island.

not KL-style monorail though. If Penang goes for monorail then they need trains of at least 6-8 carriages length with room for expansion.

My preference is still light rail - rapid tram at street level outside of the city, then underground in the city. This also allows more flexibility in terms of connections with Sebarang Prai, which also needs improved public transport but not necessarily monorail.

And we do not want Penang to make the same mistake as KL with having too many different rail technologies. One flexible technology will help keep costs low.

The newest tram designs do not have to have overhead wires as they can use continuous induction power or have flywheels to take up energy through induction at major stops.

Cheers, m

What about BRT?

It should be cheaper and faster to build and operate.right

What about BRT?

It should be cheaper and faster to build and operate.right

yes good idea also...seem penang island very congested nowadays with private vehicles.....

for me METRAIL that is more smaller than MONORAIL is a good choice actually....

because penang island road is very narrow and not wide enough especially in the city centre in Georgetown area....
the beams can easily placed not like LRT or MRT....

Tram for me is a good solution also but GOV right now more focus on GREATER KL public transportation which in my opinion is very a good start since Klang VAlley is the most populated area compared to penang or JB.:)

What about BRT?

It should be cheaper and faster to build and operate.right

Even so do you think that people will change straight away from using car to bus because it is BRT... I think opting for modern tram will somehow push people to leave their car and choose it if they don't want to get stuck in traffic jams since it looks 'classy' and 'up to the standard' as you know malaysian have this mentality of not taking bus because it is for ..........

What about BRT?

It should be cheaper and faster to build and operate.rightyeah, in the short term BRT is cheaper and faster to build, but the operating costs & maintenance will be very high over the long term.

Buses also last half as long as trams, carry fewer people, and therefore need more drivers.

Tram can also go above ground or underground - if you want to do the same with a bus it is costly (and underground has fumes).

And of course the tram generates no pollution on-street, while the buses create lots of pollution on street.

Cheers, m

Another push for LRT

A state assemblyman has suggested that the Penang Government offer a Request For Proposal (RFP) to the private sector to develop a Light Rail Transit (LRT) system, as it can ease traffic congestion on the island.

Sim Tze Tzin (PKR—Pantai Jerejak) said if the state could call for an RFP for an estimated RM8bil worth of infrastructure projects including the 6.5km tunnel job (from Gurney Drive to Butterworth), the 4.2km Gurney Drive—Lebuhraya Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu bypass, and 4.6km Lebuhraya Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu—Bandar Baru Air Itam bypass, the state could also consider calling an RFP for a LRT project.

“There could be two LRT lines — from the Penang International Airport to Komtar to Tanjung Tokong spanning 26km and a second line — 6km-long from Komtar to Air Itam. A 32km MRT (mass rapid transit) project is estimated to cost RM8bil but it will cost less for the LRT,” he said when debating the Supply Bill 2012 at the state assembly sitting yesterday .

Sim also said that the state government should lead by example by implementing a minimum wage when hiring new officers as Pakatan Rakyat had proposed that a minimum wage be set at RM1,100.

Interjecting, Datuk Arif Shah Omar Shah (BN—Seberang Jaya) suggested that a fund be set up by the state government to carry physical restoration on rundown high-rise living units.

Sim replied that it was idealistic and might be impractical as some unit owners might have incurred debts because they had yet to settle their maintenance fees.

Also, the stipulated sum for the fund would be too high for the state government to afford, he claimed.

Arif Shah also agreed with Sim that some road repair works in Penang were done in a shoddy manner and that the relevant departments should have ensured that the proper specifications were followed.

Sim had earlier said there was a “tidak apa” (lackadaisical) attitude prevalent here, while giving examples of lack of maintenance resulting in broken drains, potholes on the road, dead grass, clogged drains and an elevator in Komtar which was not repaired for three months.

I think it should be Air Itam all the way to butterworth !Penang is not all about the islandlah.The idea is to disperse and giving the people the option.

yes good idea also...seem penang island very congested nowadays with private vehicles.....

for me METRAIL that is more smaller than MONORAIL is a good choice actually....

because penang island road is very narrow and not wide enough especially in the city centre in Georgetown area....
the beams can easily placed not like LRT or MRT....

Tram for me is a good solution also but GOV right now more focus on GREATER KL public transportation which in my opinion is very a good start since Klang VAlley is the most populated area compared to penang or JB.:)

It is incorrect to think that government should just focus on the development of public transit systems in KL and the Klang valley. If this country is better managed, there would be ample funds for separate transit systems to be built concurrently in all the major cities and towns in this country. You should remember that tax dollars not only come from KL, but from other parts of Malaysia as well. Only 3rd world countries concentrate on the development of their capital cities. Malaysians have to change their mentalities and push for cleaner governments to help them improve their lives.

It is incorrect to think that government should just focus on the development of public transit systems in KL and the Klang valley. If this country is better managed, there would be ample funds for separate transit systems to be built concurrently in all the major cities and towns in this country. You should remember that tax dollars not only come from KL, but from other parts of Malaysia as well. Only 3rd world countries concentrate on the development of their capital cities. Malaysians have to change their mentalities and push for cleaner governments to help them improve their lives.

1 major problem is, the liscensing for transportation are under federal government in which it is hardly approved for non BN state even though the state government have sufficient funding

PENANG NEED MONORAIL......

PENANG NEED MONORAIL......

more like PENANG NEED PEOPLE'S MINDSET TO CHANGE

with all the people preferring to drive, any type of metro system will fail. Especially trams since they'll take away lots of space on the clogged streets.

more like PENANG NEED PEOPLE'S MINDSET TO CHANGE

with all the people preferring to drive, any type of metro system will fail. Especially trams since they'll take away lots of space on the clogged streets.

Somehow, I think LRT "as it sounds" classier and people "might be tempted" to leave their cars.

Somehow, I think LRT "as it sounds" classier and people "might be tempted" to leave their cars.

LRT is a more efficient transportation system since it can handle high volume of passengers and is grade separated.

Trams will cause more trouble in Penang, especially under the current circumstances.

Still, the people have to change their mindset to take public transport in the first place. Or force them to do so. Charge RM 10 for a parking space or implement RM 50 congestion charges.:lol:

yeah, in the short term BRT is cheaper and faster to build, but the operating costs & maintenance will be very high over the long term.

Buses also last half as long as trams, carry fewer people, and therefore need more drivers.

Tram can also go above ground or underground - if you want to do the same with a bus it is costly (and underground has fumes).

And of course the tram generates no pollution on-street, while the buses create lots of pollution on street.

Cheers, m

I was thinking brt 1st.built up demand..once the line is "busy" upgrade it to tram then.

I was thinking brt 1st.built up demand..once the line is "busy" upgrade it to tram then.

Problem is, BRT might not fit on Penang island. Due to its road width which are often narrower than those of Klang Valley.

A system such as VAL (rubber tyre medium capacity rapid transit system) or even the Bombardier ART (Kelana Jaya line) may work. Of course, a monorail with larger capacity (as in Tokyo) can work and even better as construction cost can be lower.

I was thinking brt 1st.built up demand..once the line is "busy" upgrade it to tram then.if the intention is to build a much larger scale mode in 20-30 years then BRT is a good stop-gap solution.

In other words, if the population density & corridor density of Penang (as well as public transport demand) are projected to reach LRT/MRT capacity in 30 years, then start with BRT, build up demand, and then build the LRT/MRT in about 20 years.

That is what they are doing in Jakarta. First TransJakarta from Kota to Blok M (Koridor 1), then in 15 years build MRT (they are rushing to build the MRT in my opinion).

But ... if the projected population density, corridor density and public transport demand are not expected to reach LRT capacity then it is better to build a tram system now, and allow the tram system to absorb future growth in demand.

That keeps costs low because you only have to build one system, use one technology, and it has the flexibilty and the capacity to keep going for 10-20-40 years.

That's the kind of efficiency that the Penang Government should be aiming for.

Cheers, m

more like PENANG NEED PEOPLE'S MINDSET TO CHANGE

with all the people preferring to drive, any type of metro system will fail. Especially trams since they'll take away lots of space on the clogged streets.

I truely agree, bro.
Penang LRT or MRT or BRT or Tram or Monorail or any kind of transport system will not succeed, if gov (penang and federal) has no determination to force its people to take public transport.

I think Penang government has made a good survey for me through their implementation of BEST bus service to factories.

After 6 months of free service. Fact:
1. The service is free, and can save about RM123.2 toll (RM5.6*22days) and RM150 petrol averagely = total saving of RM273.2/mth (excluded tires and other maintenance saving)
2. About 400-500 passengers only, daily.
3. Penang bridge 3rd lane expansion has getting meaningless in reducing traffic jam as always having traffic jam.

Analysis:
1. It shown that most of the drivers (departs from factory) return to Prai around 5pm - 7pm (which is also BEST operation period).
2. It shown that thousands of drivers return on time but opt to drive than ride free bus.
3. It shown that thousands of drivers are earning quite decent income, which RM273.2/mth saving is totally NOTHING.

Hey, it is still not mentioning about car's loan installment and others. Also, not mentioning about motorbike rider safety (take bus is safer).

Free bus people also don't want lah...until RM3.2/litre petro (market price), RM2/hr parking at all areas included factory zone and housing zone, clamp tyre included motorbike. Then, people will take public transport (being forced to) just like HK or Singapore or Tokyo.

I truely agree, bro.
Penang LRT or MRT or BRT or Tram or Monorail or any kind of transport system will not succeed, if gov (penang and federal) has no determination to force its people to take public transport.

I think Penang government has made a good survey for me through their implementation of BEST bus service to factories.

After 6 months of free service. Fact:
1. The service is free, and can save about RM123.2 toll (RM5.6*22days) and RM150 petrol averagely = total saving of RM273.2/mth (excluded tires and other maintenance saving)
2. About 400-500 passengers only, daily.
3. Penang bridge 3rd lane expansion has getting meaningless in reducing traffic jam as always having traffic jam.

Analysis:
1. It shown that most of the drivers (departs from factory) return to Prai around 5pm - 7pm (which is also BEST operation period).
2. It shown that thousands of drivers return on time but opt to drive than ride free bus.
3. It shown that thousands of drivers are earning quite decent income, which RM273.2/mth saving is totally NOTHING.

Hey, it is still not mentioning about car's loan installment and others. Also, not mentioning about motorbike rider safety (take bus is safer).

Free bus people also don't want lah...until RM3.2/litre petro (market price), RM2/hr parking at all areas included factory zone and housing zone, clamp tyre included motorbike. Then, people will take public transport (being forced to) just like HK or Singapore or Tokyo.

if this is the result,better develop MRT in the Klang Valley and KL....since LRT already there and can intergrate with other lines as well....

We need a role model city in Malaysia first before implement rail network on other city..

KUALA LUMPUR and KLANG VALLEY aka GREATER KL first priority first....:)

I dont think Gov have much money to invest on MRT or LRT outside KL...
our country is so small and population density outside KL is very at average only....

So,i think now Greater KL need rail network....
i want KL be like Singapore city with all sort of MRT lines and efficient rides.

i want KL be like Singapore city with all sort of MRT lines and efficient rides.

Totally unimpressed by the uncivilised way people in KL LRT get into the trains. Until people in KL learn how to queue properly to get on public transport, they'll remain perceived as backward compared to people of other Asian metropolises.

^^

hmmm, you mean other metros excluding singapore because of their "kiasu" mindset.

that's the main difference between 1st world and 3rd world countries... it's all in the peoples' attitude, education, tolerance, etc.

so even if they were to put in scores of 100-storeys right in the heart of kl... it's not going to change a thing about the mentality of the city dwellers there. :)

And thats the bottom line!

i always notice that rapidpenang busses is always not fully used after peka hours ...
at night empty busses plying all major roads especially GT area....

not so demanding here to built any LRT...
maybe BRT is the best solution.....
but must have greater frequency and express route to move people in fast way....

i always notice that rapidpenang busses is always not fully used after peka hours ...
at night empty busses plying all major roads especially GT area....

not so demanding here to built any LRT...
maybe BRT is the best solution.....
but must have greater frequency and express route to move people in fast way....empty/relatively empty buses are common in most public transport services at night-time.

Similarly, our roads are mostly empty during nighttime.

We build roads and public transport to meet the needs of peak hour users. The rest of the time, services are rarely used but we do not tear up the roads. So we have to keep the buses running.

The best way to change things is to encourage people to hang out in the evening and feel safe to use public transport to get there.

Cheers, m

empty/relatively empty buses are common in most public transport services at night-time.

Similarly, our roads are mostly empty during nighttime.

We build roads and public transport to meet the needs of peak hour users. The rest of the time, services are rarely used but we do not tear up the roads. So we have to keep the buses running.

The best way to change things is to encourage people to hang out in the evening and feel safe to use public transport to get there.

Cheers, m

If at night all empty no use to bulit monorail just to cope during peak hours here....Better to BRT service instead....

cannot sustain in the long run and everything will declared bankcrupt........

Trams and BRT causes more problems than solutions! Can't believe people still want that :ohno:

Trams and BRT causes more problems than solutions! Can't believe people still want that :ohno:monorail costs lots of money and also creates problems.

No option is perfect. That's why the plan has to be holistic and complete.

Cheers, m

monorail costs lots of money and also creates problems.

No option is perfect. That's why the plan has to be holistic and complete.

Cheers, m

I am not so sure if any of you have noticed that even FREE BUS is NOT really WELCOMED. So, I am wondering why there are ideas of building BRT, TRAM or LRT. Anyone can convince me?

I am not so sure if any of you have noticed that even FREE BUS is NOT really WELCOMED. So, I am wondering why there are ideas of building BRT, TRAM or LRT. Anyone can convince me?

BRT can be operated by the rapidpenang company since they have this aircond busses already......very cheap and what we need right now is bus lanes only and if possible limited stop and greater frequencies.....

I usually take public transport but normally i prefer LRT and BRT service....
since everybody is very conscious about time management,its better we have punctual and fast public transport....:)

Since my apartment in KL is just next to an LRT station,i am regular passenger of it...

I seldom drive to KL city centre....
Thats why i welcome MRT system in KL and MRT 2 and 3 plus the extension LRT on both Ampang and Kelana Jaya Lines.....

monorail costs lots of money and also creates problems.

No option is perfect. That's why the plan has to be holistic and complete.

Cheers, m

I do realise that no option is perfect. the best option always have the downside of being the most expensive.

like what i've said earlier, if few people wants to take the public transport, all systems will fail. the worst being BRT and trams as they'll make the congested roads even more congested.

I am not so sure if any of you have noticed that even FREE BUS is NOT really WELCOMED. So, I am wondering why there are ideas of building BRT, TRAM or LRT. Anyone can convince me?if public transport users are poor/destitute then they would ride free buses.

Obviously, the public transport user is not poor/destitute, values his/her time, and will not use a service unless it is comfortable & marketed properly & convenient.

Cheers, m

I do realise that no option is perfect. the best option always have the downside of being the most expensive.

like what i've said earlier, if few people wants to take the public transport, all systems will fail. the worst being BRT and trams as they'll make the congested roads even more congested.a failed MRT or LRT or monorail system will bankrupt the country.

A failed BRT system or tram system cannot be that much worse than what we have today. And such a system can be removed or redesigned if it fails.

Look at Jakarta, they still have the pillars from the Jakarta monorail project as a blight on the landscape. What about the KL Monorail project or Plaza Rakyat.

A screwed up BRT is still a road, isn't it? Remove the barriers (which would probably be cheap plastic bollards to start), change the lines and voila, back to congestion hell :)

By the way...it should also be noted that M'sia is pretty good for try & fail & try something else. Consider how many projects have had to be fixed up later on or ripped out or changed because someone failed to factor in something important at the beginning.

Cheers, m

a failed MRT or LRT or monorail system will bankrupt the country.

A failed BRT system or tram system cannot be that much worse than what we have today. And such a system can be removed or redesigned if it fails.

Look at Jakarta, they still have the pillars from the Jakarta monorail project as a blight on the landscape. What about the KL Monorail project or Plaza Rakyat.

A screwed up BRT is still a road, isn't it? Remove the barriers (which would probably be cheap plastic bollards to start), change the lines and voila, back to congestion hell :)

By the way...it should also be noted that M'sia is pretty good for try & fail & try something else. Consider how many projects have had to be fixed up later on or ripped out or changed because someone failed to factor in something important at the beginning.

Cheers, m

like i've iterated many times, if no one wants to take the public transport everything fails!

i think the possibility of BRT or trams failing is much higher than a proper and more efficient metro system.

One can't take the model of trams or BRT of other countries and put it in Penang. People there relies on public transport, they don't mind walking, there are fewer cars on the roads, and their roads are wide enough to accommodate trams or BRT. Back in Penang, oh, not even one of the mentioned points can be used to describe Penang.

Tahniah! :cheers:

why Nazrey said taniah? is Narey pro BN?...anyhow is Narey a Malaysian in the 1st place?:cheers:

Put ERP lah..

If 1 think uncle lee had tought us..only dangling carrot will not work..u gotta use rotan their backside also.

Ask the people why the public transport is not practical for them?

Why they want to be a driver themselves, where they can be the boss and have the driver doing the driving for them.

What are the advantages of taking public transport over private transport?

How to stop illegal parking

How to increasing the cost of parking


What has stopped me from taking public transport.
1) Timing - one might be waiting on the bus stop for a very long hour.
2) Speed - No special lane for the buses, driving and taking the buses still fall under the same traffic jam.
3) Operation hour of the bus - If I miss the regular operation hour, I will have to wait very long hour for the next bus or take a taxi.
4) Cleanliness of the public transport is very important. Must include the bus stop.

Ask the people why the public transport is not practical for them?

Why they want to be a driver themselves, where they can be the boss and have the driver doing the driving for them.

What are the advantages of taking public transport over private transport?

How to stop illegal parking

How to increasing the cost of parking


What has stopped me from taking public transport.
1) Timing - one might be waiting on the bus stop for a very long hour.
2) Speed - No special lane for the buses, driving and taking the buses still fall under the same traffic jam.
3) Operation hour of the bus - If I miss the regular operation hour, I will have to wait very long hour for the next bus or take a taxi.
4) Cleanliness of the public transport is very important. Must include the bus stop.

I hope there is a mini van service similar like in Thailand or Indonesia...
no need bus service at all....just hope on any of the van and you can actually save alot of money...:)

I am not so sure if any of you have noticed that even FREE BUS is NOT really WELCOMED. So, I am wondering why there are ideas of building BRT, TRAM or LRT. Anyone can convince me?

TRAM

The thing is that only certain cities eg. Zurich, Melbourne and Frankfurt have no problem. If we learn from those cities. I'm sure we will do fine and hassle free. If Malacca is now under planning why not have it here if:

1) Increase parking rates - You'll be shocked but certain parking places such as in Fitzroy, Melbourne charges AUD$3.00. If you think this is pathetic joke think again that is RM10 for a whole day but that comes at a cost. You only can park like say 2 hours. Meaning after 2 hours you're parking valid expires. Even in neighbourhood they still charge you.

2) Improve road system - Just this week I went to Penang and guess what. Took 45 minutes to go to city centre. I admitted it that it's hell and imagine I working or living there this is what I get but Penang needs to improve it's road system. Timers are there at almost every traffic lights so that's good. In the event of having trams, vehicles are required to have a hook turn similar in Melbourne. Special traffic lights for trams are also required. It can be done if Penang's driving attitude change.

BRT

Cities that practices BRT such as Bangkok, Jakarta and Bogota are welcomed. The longest BRT system in the world is Jakarta. But do not make it proud as it still causes problems i.e faulty doors, overcrowding buses and the worse case scenario: illegal traffic onto the BRT route as a shortcut. At present only Kuala Lumpur is in plan for BRT but like tram can it survive?

1) Special bus lanes - Obviously you'll need a special lane for buses. As stated above motorist will tend to go onto the lane and will create additional chaos. Hence they can go the opposite way of the traffic meaning if the bus route is from Queensbay to George Town hence they can do a George Town to Queensbay route.

2) Barricade along the route - During TransJakarta concession since 2004, the there has being at least 8 deaths that is at least roughly 1 death per year. Setting up concrete barriers around 2.2m in height can solve the problem. Alsp, an optional is to have a special emergency lane onto the buslane should any accident occurs where ambulance can enter the busway.

LRT

Do we have to talk about it again? Places of course in Kuala Lumpur here, Singapore as well as Vancouver have LRT. Formally, Kelana Jaya LRT was once the longest in the world that is until Vancouver's Skytrain overtook in 2002. Vancouver currently has 68.7 km and 47 stations (do we have to say it just because KL has 48). Both LRT's here are expanding the system so how would Penang sustain.

1) Implement zone ticketing - Actually that goes to KL. Here Penang can suit opting for zone based fares instead of distance to station system. In Singapore for going to Somerset from Orchard requires S$2.00. Ironically to get your S$1.00 back you have to go to the GTM (General Ticketing Machine) or ticket counter to receive your dollar back. In Vancouver, the system is split into 3 zones. Unlike our LRT theirs have no turnstile that is until 2013.

2) Going underground - Today, Penang is choke full of development and can no longer sustain elevated LRT. In certain places like on the island can go underground together with the planned underwater traffic channel planned to the mainland. Going to Kepala Batas, Nibong Tebal and Kulim can be travelled above ground. This idea of upgrading monorail to LRT or MRT has been a debate for years. But who knows that in 2006 when Najib then DPM announced the Kota Damansara - Cheras LRT Line and 5 years later extending the line and upgrading the Sg Buloh - Kajang Line to MRT. If here can why not in Penang.:)

Heavy capacity monorail or light metro is the way to go for Penang.

Heavy capacity monorail or light metro is the way to go for Penang.methinks high-capacity rapid tram with underground tunneling in Georgetown & Butterworth as well as a cross-straits tunnel is the way to go for Penang.

Cheers, m

Georgetown need tram system to harmonize with the atmosphere of narrow street and colonial feel pre-war houses.

I agree!

Trams and BRT causes more problems than solutions! Can't believe people still want that :ohno:

You cant have BRT and trams in Penang. The streets are narrow enough. Trams are generally slow and inefficient and travelling time on Melbourne trams for example are horrendous

You cant have BRT and trams in Penang. The streets are narrow enough. Trams are generally slow and inefficient and travelling time on Melbourne trams for example are horrendous

With jaywalking being the national extreme sport, you can bet the operator probably would be spending a lot of hours scraping reckless peds and mat rempits ran over by the tram, off the road.

You can visit Brickfields any time of the day, and you can see how these people never bother to use the zebra crossings yet always crying foul when they got hit by buses and/or other vehicles.

For the cheapest, Prasarana can bring used two-car Kelana Jaya line or KL Monorail current fleet to Penang to start urban rail system in Penang..the cost was only to build the infrastructure...

For to KL Monorail and KJ line, they will use four-car trainset..2 cents :cheers:

For the cheapest, Prasarana can bring used two-car Kelana Jaya line or KL Monorail current fleet to Penang to start urban rail system in Penang..the cost was only to build the infrastructure...

For to KL Monorail and KJ line, they will use four-car trainset..2 cents :cheers:

Very unlikely.

In the case of Kelana Jaya line 2 carriage long trains, they need it when the extension to USJ becomes operational.

While for the KL Monorail 2 car train, those trains would be stored as "spare".

methinks high-capacity rapid tram with underground tunneling in Georgetown & Butterworth as well as a cross-straits tunnel is the way to go for Penang.

Cheers, m

Is it similar to this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd_Metrotram

Is it similar to this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd_Metrotramyah, Old school train design works best for Penang, doesn't it?

Alternatively, how about the Porto Metro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto_Metro)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Metro_do_Porto_Flexity_Outlook_Eurotram_Trindade.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Oporto_-_Jardim_Do_Morro_-_20110425_133656.jpg/800px-Oporto_-_Jardim_Do_Morro_-_20110425_133656.jpg

Of course there are other good examples of flexible metrotrams.

Cheers, m

yah, Old school train design works best for Penang, doesn't it?

Alternatively, how about the Porto Metro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto_Metro)

Of course there are other good examples of flexible metrotrams.

Cheers, m

i was thinking of something like hk doubledeck tram.

i was thinking of something like hk doubledeck tram.
I second you;)
but if long tram/LRT is favor, those in Rabat and Tel Aviv are sleeker and sexier.

I don't think double deck tram is practical, there might be issues such as height clearance etc.

I don't think double deck tram is practical, there might be issues such as height clearance etc.

rapid penang is planning on double decker buses.so i'm not sure whether there's issue with height clearance.

I second you;)
but if long tram/LRT is favor, those in Rabat and Tel Aviv are sleeker and sexier.

long tram will be out if i'm the planner as the road is narrow to have such long vehicle. that's why in hk island they use doubledeck tram as their road also narrow.

long tram will be out if i'm the planner as the road is narrow to have such long vehicle. that's why in hk island they use doubledeck tram as their road also narrow.double deck tram is possible for the narrow roads of old George Town - the surface "Heritage" tram. George Town used to have double deck trams & buses in the past.

The rapid tram system can use a different type of tram since it is performing a different service ... just as HK has the island tram, Light Rail in the New Territories, and the Peak Tram.

Street level outside George Town, underground in George Town, under the Straits to S. Prai, and through Butterworth, then up to the surface outside of Butterworth.

Cheers, m

Penang is quite similar to HK. So, we can adopt what has been successfully workale methods in Penang.

1. High petro rate - easily HKD 11 or 12/litre. The profit goes to subsidy public transportation. -> do you afford to drive/ride with this tariff?
2. High parking fee - easily HKD 10 per hour is not rarely been found. Some private car park charged higher. -> you may want to park at road side.
3. Ok, illegal parking -> HK police and municipal officers are efficient. You may get summoned within half an hour. Some areas, your vehicles will be towed away. If you don't pay summon, see you in court.

There are many areas in HK that are actually not having metro system. So, many are rely on bus and taxi services. Waiting for 10mins in HK for a bus is also common. And, HK doesn't apply bus lane.

If Penang were to choose Taipei system,sorry, not much people will take public transport system. In taipei:
a. Petro is about RM3.2/litre, so many opt to take motorbike. -> ok, follow method one 1 of HK.
b. motorbikes can park elsewhere easily free or cheap -> not ok, never follow method 2.
c. motorbike is quite rampant to drive on pedestrian walkway or park on yellow line/pedestrian walkway -> not ok, never follow method 3.

In Penang, method 1 to 3 never follows, how to ask (force) people to take public transport?

Did any one notice that the people from Penang can not walk. 2 block down the street also must take a car or motorbike. Not likely that the people from Penang can walk to and from public transport stations

^^ I don't really know the geographic/traffic movement/roads in Penang but building a separate at-grade tramway mix-used with buses can somehow narrow the road and force people to opt for public transport. Prohibit/banned private car from entering the CBD/office area by providing ample parking lots outside/outskirt of cbd. If i am not mistaken Hong Kong do have buses lane, it is just not as many as Seoul or other big cities.:dunno:

if this is the result,better develop MRT in the Klang Valley and KL....since LRT already there and can intergrate with other lines as well....

We need a role model city in Malaysia first before implement rail network on other city..

KUALA LUMPUR and KLANG VALLEY aka GREATER KL first priority first....:)

what a cock thinking by a retard....

Penang Monorail?? Is this another day-dreaming-thread?. Come one, no one is interested to see Penang with monorail. Step-son case in the making. Period ~

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eh eh eh noob nih.. tampor kang!

Penang Monorail?? Is this another day-dreaming-thread?. Come one, no one is interested to see Penang with monorail. Step-son case in the making. Period ~

How many years from now since this thread is created?You want me to tell you?