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Le Clerk
September 4th, 2008, 04:57 PM
^^Explicatia lui a facut referire la "ocupatia" americana in Germania si aparentele resentimente pe care multi germani le-ar avea fata de prezenta americana pe teritoriul german. In orice caz, sondajul arata ca Hurezeanu greseste chiar atunci cand vine cu teorii despre Germania, pe care pretinde ca o cunoaste atat de bine.

nebunul
September 4th, 2008, 04:59 PM
Daca nemtii si francezii nu fac deal/concesii separat (closed doors) cu Rusia, atunci Putin nu va avea incotro. Insa eu cred ca putin le pasa nemtilor si francezilor de Americani (si viceversa) si de georgieni si ukrainieni si restu'
BTW "Urmatorul?" Eu vreau sa fie Transnistria ... ca apoi sa le fie clar (si fara alta alternativa) Moldovenilor si lui Voronin ca trebuie sa se alipeasca RO/UE
Hurezeanu o stie cel mai bine ... sau cine (sa) o stie mai bine ca Hurezeanu? Monica, dumnezeu sa o ierte?! :nuts:

Le Clerk
September 4th, 2008, 05:08 PM
Daca se intampla in Transnistria la fel ca in Gergia (BTW: ministrul moldovean al apararii tocmai a dat ordin (http://www.flux.md/articole/4460/) armatei sa nu raspunda la provocarile transnistrenilor sub nicio forma), rusii vor ocupa o si mai mare parte a Moldovei cu armata, lucru care va bloca de tot chiar si o dorinta puternica a Moldovenilor de unire. Razboiul trebuie evitat zic eu.

Le Clerk
September 4th, 2008, 05:17 PM
"The Soviet War Memoriale" din Berlin e cunoscut mai bine sub numele de "monumentul violatorului necunoscut".

Interesant...nu stiam lucrul asta. :cheers:

tomis3
September 4th, 2008, 05:17 PM
^^Explicatia lui a facut referire la "ocupatia" americana in Germania si aparentele resentimente pe care multi germani le-ar avea fata de prezenta americana pe teritoriul german. In orice caz, sondajul arata ca Hurezeanu greseste chiar atunci cand vine cu teorii despre Germania, pe care pretinde ca o cunoaste atat de bine.

Oare de asta s-au adunat vreo 100,000 de nemti sa-l asculte be Obama?

Nu pretind ca stiu ce simt nemtii si e posibil ca Hurezeanu sa aiba dreptate dar nu cred ca e o imagine completa...Sunt destui nemti care sunt recunoscatori Americii pt sprijinul acordat re-unificarii (Franta n-a fost care atat de entuziasmata de idee...cred). In fine...mai sunt si altele. Iar Russia si rusii inca mai au un loc sumbru in mintea colectiva a nemtilor..."The Soviet War Memoriale" din Berlin e cunoscut mai bine sub numele de "monumentul violatorului necunoscut".

nebunul
September 4th, 2008, 05:18 PM
^^ chiar ma miram cum de nu l-au darimnat deja ... ca e cam la 100m de Raistag (daca-mi amintesc bine); si e si urit ca draku' - monument comunist :bash:

edit: nu ma insel
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8671/abcnumq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Daca se intampla in Transnistria la fel ca in Gergia (BTW: ministrul moldovean al apararii tocmai a dat ordin (http://www.flux.md/articole/4460/) armatei sa nu raspunda la provocarile transnistrenilor sub nicio forma), rusii vor ocupa o si mai mare parte a Moldovei cu armata, lucru care va bloca de tot chiar si o dorinta puternica a Moldovenilor de unire. Razboiul trebuie evitat zic eu.

Nu vor avea motiv sa intre in Moldova ... daca ^^ nu se raspunde la provocare. razboiul trebuie, desigur, evitat. Dar daca Rusia il vrea neaparat e greu de evitat

tomis3
September 4th, 2008, 05:32 PM
N-ai vazut ce-a patit Estonia cand a hotarat sa mute satuia soldatului "liberator"?

Reactia lu' Schroeder:

Berlin - Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on Friday condemned the pulling down of a Russian war memorial in Estonia as an insult to the memory of those who fought fascism.

'The way Estonia is dealing with the memory of young Russian soldiers who lost their lives in the fight against fascism is in bad taste and irreverent,' he said.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1297380.php/German_ex-chancellor_condemns_Estonia_war_memorial_removal

Le Clerk
September 5th, 2008, 03:37 PM
[SIZE="4"]Un mall din Galati s-a prabusit dupa ce muncitorii au sapat prea mult la fundatie - VIDEO[/SIZE (http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?data=2008-09-05&id=12276)]

:wtf::wallbash:

pescarush
September 5th, 2008, 03:44 PM
incredibil!
ups!!! ar putea spune muncitorii. parca ar fi o jucarie:lol::ohno:

totusi, mie imi place titlul articolului cel mai mult:lol:

Le Clerk
September 5th, 2008, 03:52 PM
^^ Intr-adevar. Morala este ca daca sapau numai un pic mai putin la fundatie, cladirea (mall-ul :lol:) nu s-ar fi prabusit. :nuts:

pescarush
September 5th, 2008, 04:02 PM
acolo trebuiau executati niste pereti mulati din beton armat de jur imprejur, care sa sustina greutatea cladirii, astfel incat sa alcatuiasca o cava.
e de neimaginat cum de inginerii nu au gasit o solutie pentru aceasta constructie sau cum de dirigintele de santier nu a respectat planurile.
normal exista niste inspectori care fac controale la fazele determinante ale santierului si dau amenzi/suspendarea lucrarilor in caz de nerespectare a proiectului. spaga ar putea fi raspunsul la toate intrebarile din pacate. altfel nu se justifica.

nebunul
September 5th, 2008, 05:02 PM
Avramescu - btw in general, imi place tipu' http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/819446/Avramescu-si-in-PDL-exista-oligarhi/

tomis3
September 5th, 2008, 05:07 PM
are cineva iTunes?

nebunul
September 5th, 2008, 05:17 PM
^^ da; pai il download-ezi gratis oricum http://www.apple.com/itunes/

tomis3
September 5th, 2008, 05:39 PM
ok....cauta pe unul "Theodore Postol"...e un profesor de la MIT si are o discutie foarte interesanta despre "missile defense-ul" din Polonia si R. Ceha...Am inceput sa pricep de ce rusii sunt atat de speriati...Dureaza peste o ora dar merita.

LeClerk is Cosmin...take notice..

Le Clerk
September 5th, 2008, 05:47 PM
ok....cauta pe unul "Theodore Postol"...e un profesor de la MIT si are o discutie foarte interesanta despre "missle defense-ul" din Polonia si R. Ceha...Am inceput sa pricep de ce rusii sunt atat de speriati...Dureaza peste o ora dar merita.

Unde este link-ul? Poti sa il pui aici? M-ai facut curios :D

LeClerk is Cosmin...take notice..

:D I am God around here for a week or so...:dj:

tomis3
September 5th, 2008, 05:54 PM
Unde este link-ul? Poti sa il pui aici? M-ai facut curios :D



:D I am God around here for a week or so...:dj:

Nu stiu cum sa scot link-uri din iTunes...Donwlodeaza iTunes (daca n-ai...e gratis) si cauta acolo.

Prezentarea are multe grafice interesante deci merita vazuta nu doar auzita.

tomis3
September 5th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Links:

Video: http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/uc.princeton.edu.1566489310?i=1690920761

Audio: http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/uc.princeton.edu.1565670709?i=1464392079

Le Clerk
September 5th, 2008, 05:56 PM
OK, mersi. Acum descarc iTunes. :cheers:

nebunul
September 5th, 2008, 06:22 PM
din ziua ONLINe :nuts::lol:
http://www.ziua.net/news.php?data=2008-09-03&id=12148

Daca pierdem procesul cu Insula Serpilor ... ne putem gindi si la asa ceva ...
http://www.ziua.net/news.php?data=2008-08-14&id=11181

tomis3
September 5th, 2008, 06:39 PM
:old:

tomis3
September 5th, 2008, 06:50 PM
din ziua ONLINe :nuts::lol:
http://www.ziua.net/news.php?data=2008-09-03&id=12148

Daca pierdem procesul cu Insula Serpilor ... ne putem gindi si la asa ceva ...
http://www.ziua.net/news.php?data=2008-08-14&id=11181

Lista cu tarile vine dintr-un raport scris de Nicu Popescu pt "The European Council on Foreign Relations."

Klausenburg
September 5th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Inaugararea fantanii arteziene din Piata Avram Iancu, Cluj-Napoca

http://i36.tinypic.com/s2bi9t.jpg

Arata chiar foarte bine, chiar daca nu e asa de mare ca si la Craiova...pacat de concertul jalnic de azi...

Cristii
September 6th, 2008, 12:51 PM
In seara asta, in Piata Revolutiei are loc un concert, cu ocazia Zilei Verzi. Concerteaza Zdob si Zdub, Phoenix, Timpuri Noi si inca vreo 2 trupe.

Sursa: ATAC Online

http://www.atac-online.ro/03-09-2008/Zdob-si-Zdub-si-Phoenix-vor-canta-in-Piata-Revolutiei.html

Phoenix şi Zdob şi Zdub vor cânta pe 6 septembrie, de Ziua Verde, în Piaţa Revoluţiei din Bucureşti. Concerul va începe în jurul orei 18.30, şi va fi deschis de formaţia de urban gipsy music Mahala Rai Banda, vor cânta apoi cei de la Timpuri Noi, urmaţi de Artan şi Al Jawala, formaţie de origine germană. Piaţa Revoluţiei va suna apoi în acordurile trupelor Zdob şi Zdub şi Phoenix. La acest concert Phoenix vor fi prezenţi şi Moni Bordeianu, primul solist al formaţiei şi Dorel Vintilă, toboşar în formula de început Phoenix. Fiecare persoană ce doreşte să vină la concert este invitat să facă parte din mişcarea Ziua Verde şi să aducă un bec ars sau orice alt deşeu electric sau electronic. Acesta „bilet de intrare” la concert va fi depozitat într-unul din „Colţurile Verzi”, amplasate pentru eveniment în Piaţa Revoluţiei. (M.C.)

nebunul
September 6th, 2008, 02:05 PM
The only thing they should do to the commie building is a new paint job as shown in the photo of the east berlin buildings and interior refurbishment and it will look tens of times better. Can't the government with a 9.3 GDP growth rate come up some with some cash for this simple job? Lazy idiots....

Ai dreptate dar sint multe prioritati ... in Buc sint 500 de strazi fara canalizare ...http://www.ecomagazin.ro/apa-cu-fecale-in-panza-freatica-a-bucurestiului/
+
http://www.ecomagazin.ro/canalizarea-capitalei-spurca-dunarea/

nebunul
September 6th, 2008, 03:51 PM
http://www.ziare.com/Transfagaraseanul_a_devenit_depozit_de_gunoaie_-405418.html
Eu unu' m-am plictisit de lacrimile de crocodil ... Mai aplicati si legea bai mojicilor!!!! Faceti un experiment: finantati de la bugetele locale o echipa de agenti (cu drept de constatare/amendare a "contraventiilor":nuts:); ca oricum politia comunitara e risipa de bani ... Garantat se va autofinanta "investitia" la cite amenzi se vor da si la citi nesimtiti respira aerul patriei ... Nu e clar ca SINTEM o tara de talibani?! Si ca schimbarea mai trebuie si fortata (cu bani si investitii) ?!

Inca una!!!!:bash:
http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/819642/Puscasul-din-benzinarie-cercetat-in-libertate/
^^ Ce-i asa greu sa se interzica armele (de toate felurile) in RO!!?? De ce avem nevoie de arme de foc?! Inclusv vinatoarea interzisa - obicei preistoric practicat de niste lasi... I-as da' drumu' tenismenului-vinator prin codrii patriei si i-as trage 2 focuri de arma drept in mustata. Un ignorat care ar fi trebuit sa-si educe odrasla drogata inainte de a invita toti eunucii Europei la vinatoare ... http://www.cotidianul.ro/vinatoare_discreta_pe_domeniul_lui_tiriac_de_la_balc-37919.html
:gaah: Huhhhh m-am enervat ... oare cind o sa ne conduca niste ... oameni?! :ohno:

EduardSA
September 6th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Eu tot zic sa facem un partid nou fara tampitii fosti communisti...

tomis3
September 6th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Unde este link-ul? Poti sa il pui aici? M-ai facut curios :D



Ai vazut prezentarea?

High Mileager
September 6th, 2008, 09:39 PM
http://www.ziare.com/Transfagaraseanul_a_devenit_depozit_de_gunoaie_-405418.html
Eu unu' m-am plictisit de lacrimile de crocodil ... Mai aplicati si legea bai mojicilor!!!! Faceti un experiment: finantati de la bugetele locale o echipa de agenti (cu drept de constatare/amendare a "contraventiilor":nuts:); ca oricum politia comunitara e risipa de bani ... Garantat se va autofinanta "investitia" la cite amenzi se vor da si la citi nesimtiti respira aerul patriei ... Nu e clar ca SINTEM o tara de talibani?! Si ca schimbarea mai trebuie si fortata (cu bani si investitii) ?!

Inca una!!!!:bash:
http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/819642/Puscasul-din-benzinarie-cercetat-in-libertate/
^^ Ce-i asa greu sa se interzica armele (de toate felurile) in RO!!?? De ce avem nevoie de arme de foc?! Inclusv vinatoarea interzisa - obicei preistoric practicat de niste lasi... I-as da' drumu' tenismenului-vinator prin codrii patriei si i-as trage 2 focuri de arma drept in mustata. Un ignorat care ar fi trebuit sa-si educe odrasla drogata inainte de a invita toti eunucii Europei la vinatoare ... http://www.cotidianul.ro/vinatoare_discreta_pe_domeniul_lui_tiriac_de_la_balc-37919.html
:gaah: Huhhhh m-am enervat ... oare cind o sa ne conduca niste ... oameni?! :ohno:

E greu la noi cu civilizatia asta ..
Noroc cu iarna(cand se-nchide)..si tinerii PD-Listi
http://www.ziare.com/Monica_Iacob_Ridzi_i_a_scos_pe_tinerii_pedelisti_la_curatat_muntii-405487.html

Le Clerk
September 7th, 2008, 06:32 AM
Ai vazut prezentarea?

Inca nu am avut timp. :ohno: Imi voi spune comentariile aici imediat ce reusesc sa vad filmul. :cheers:

nebunul
September 7th, 2008, 11:36 AM
E greu la noi cu civilizatia asta ..
Noroc cu iarna(cand se-nchide)..si tinerii PD-Listi
http://www.ziare.com/Monica_Iacob_Ridzi_i_a_scos_pe_tinerii_pedelisti_la_curatat_muntii-405487.html

^^ :applause:
Si un sfat pentru Base': lasa-ti ma fata (pe) acasa si nu o mai baga in politica ca te face de ris si mai pierzi voturi ... ce dreak' chiar nu realizezi?!?! Pact cu Vadim ai facut, Mona aproape ca a fost pusa pe liste PD-L de un alt Ceausescu de Neamt (gospodar cum se zice - nu neg; da' si asta cu singe de dictator), pe Mitica mafiotu' aproape ca l-ati bagat in partid ... mai faceti 2-3 gafe si cred ca ramineti in opozitie la urmatoarele alegeri ... atentie, oamenii cu coloana vertebrala nu o sa va dea voturile pe ochi frumosi !!!!

^^ ... sigur ma aude :nuts: :lol::nocrook:

Cosmin
September 8th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Hey guys, I'm back (sadly). Lots of pictures comin' up in a day or so.;)

LeClerk is Cosmin...take notice..
Mersi, o sa ma uit zilele astea.:cheers:
:D I am God around here for a week or so...:dj:
:banned::lol:

Le Clerk
September 8th, 2008, 06:12 PM
^^:lol:

BTW: am deschis un thread incitant aici (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=704522). :D

nebunul
September 8th, 2008, 06:20 PM
Welcome back cosmin! Kum Fu?

Le Clerk, daca tot ai deschis thread-ul iti sugerez sa-ti pui la favorite linku' http://translate.google.com/translate_t#ro|ru|atentie%20la%20marele%20urs :lol:

nebunul
September 8th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Eu nu cred in negocieri cu Rusia acum. Nu cred ca sunt posibile pentru ca Rusia a fost si este inamicul natural al Romaniei in SE Europei si la Marea Neagra. De ce si cum ne-ar putea avantaja Rusia in aceasta disputa?? Tine cont mai ales si de scenariul in care, in urma unui conflict, Ucraina ar trebui sa piarda toata partea de S, Rusia marindu-si astfel coasta marii negre pana la granita cu Romania (Hotin si Bugeac) si putand astfel emite pretentii la platforma continentala aflata in litigiu! :ohno:

Dar si eu cred ca trebuie negociat dur, asa cum negociaza si ucrainienii.


Si Rusia are nevoie de parteneri in situatia asta delicata; si in plus ne-a invitat sa negociem pretul gazului direct cu ei (Gazprom). Asta nu inseamna ca ne vom schimba pozitia pro USA la 180 grade; ci vom ignora (indirect) nevoile NATO/UE ale Ucrainei si intentia lor de a fi independenti energetic de Moscova. Ce este asa greu sa "primim" si noi o bucata din South-Stream cum au facut Bulgarii, Ungurii si Austriecii ... Germania cu NStream etc etc

+ :cheers:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24077208&postcount=147


:) Romgaz şi Gazprom reiau discuţiile pentru depozitul Mărgineni )2 miliarde de metri cubi de gaz)
http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/819771/Romgaz-si-Gazprom-reiau-discutiile-pentru-depozitul-Margineni/

Le Clerk
September 8th, 2008, 06:57 PM
^^ S-ar putea sa ai dreptate. Putin are nevoie de sprijin in EE acum si orice partener castigat inseamna enorm. Si Base a invatat sa fie mai diplomatic in ultimul timp. Am ascultat un interviu cu ambasadorul Rusiei in Romania aseara si spunea ca a apreciat pozitia Romaniei, care nu s-a raliat la initiativa 'stupida' a polonezilor si balticilor, iar turul Marii Negre al lui Base a fost apreciat drept "constructiv" urmarind sa gaseasca solutii la conflict. In plus, a spus ca exportul de armament romanesc in Georgia a fost facut "legal" :eek:, desi politic ar fi fost mai bine sa nu se faca.

Base ar trebui sa mearga la Moscova pana la sfarsitul anului...va fi interesant...

Cosmin
September 8th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Welcome back cosmin! Kum Fu?
Merci!:D In esenta a fost o saptamana de normalitate. Acelasi oras fascinant pe care-l stiam, doar ca de data asta am reusit sa-mi fac mai bine programul si sa vad vizitezi si partile mai putin turistice.

High Mileager
September 8th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Guys, remember tomorrow is "the bid day"

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2008/PR07.08E.html

Cosmin
September 8th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Yes, but I imagine they'll just run some tests to make sure everything's ok, so we'll have a lot of time to wait till the sea of paranoids calms down.:(

High Mileager
September 8th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Welcome back, Cosmin!

Well, I thought they've been testing everything already..and that tom they'll just do the experiment itself.we'll see..
Hopefully everything goes well.

Le Clerk
September 9th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Yes, but I imagine they'll just run some tests to make sure everything's ok, so we'll have a lot of time to wait till the sea of paranoids calms down.:(

We need a democratic opinion on this madness. Babe must alsoo be asked about it, and then run the tests. WTF, we live in a democracy, and are EU members! :ohno:

Le Clerk
September 9th, 2008, 11:50 AM
Yes, but I imagine they'll just run some tests to make sure everything's ok, so we'll have a lot of time to wait till the sea of paranoids calms down.:(

^^

PC crede ca acceleratorul LHC ar putea crea gauri negre marunte si cere sistarea experimentului (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-4279915-crede-acceleratorul-lhc-putea-crea-gauri-negre-marunte-cere-sistarea-experimentului.htm) :nuts::lol:

nebunul
September 9th, 2008, 12:26 PM
http://uk.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=90338
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7603000/7603516.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7605000/7605748.stm

Cosmin
September 9th, 2008, 12:27 PM
PC - Partidul care a salvat lumea.:rofl:

joce23
September 9th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Te-apuca greata cand vezi ce gauri negre si mari au 90% din politicienii nostri, nu numai cei de la PC.

Apropos de PC, aveti mai jos cateva detalii despre Dan Voiculescu. Ca orisice politician roman care "se respecta", a te imbogati cat mai mult si rapid nu e suficient; trebuie sa ai si multe diplome si eventual sa fii profesor universitar daca se poate:

Falsul doctor Felix (http://www.ziua.ro/display.php?data=2008-09-08&id=242384) :puke:

* cand facem partidul ala de care s-a mai vorbit pe-aici? :nuts::lol:

Cosmin
September 9th, 2008, 12:39 PM
Nu stiu cand facem partidul, dar zic sa o puneti voi de un fan club Ziua.:lol:

Se pare ca PWU e destul de populara si in State printre cei care vor o diploma instant.:)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/10/eveningnews/main616664.shtml
http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?threadid=16194

nebunul
September 9th, 2008, 12:40 PM
^^ sa se ia de mina cu ... Oprescu :nuts:
... old news http://www.cotidianul.ro/editorial_reputatia_domnului_sorin_oprescu-38131.html

Cosmin
September 9th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Ceva dă ras...
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6783/c5b4faafdb9d0b22b150c03ly5.jpg

Si ceva pentru Fallen...:cheers:
O sa fie ciordeles la greu... si nu vad rostul internetului in parc. Daca te duci in parc nu te duci ca sa stai la computer...
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3192/dscf1205sa6.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4941/dscf1206hp7.jpg
Pozele sunt facute pe Promenade plantée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promenade_Plantée) din Paris. Apropo, e superb locul si ideea unui parculet suspendat pe locul unui fost viaduct de cale ferata e pe gustul meu.:D

Fallen
September 9th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Welcome back, Cosmin :cheers:

Le Clerk
September 9th, 2008, 01:20 PM
PC - Partidul care a salvat lumea.:rofl:

ZA top Romania fizisist:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2294/image2008099428033841mawg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Le Clerk
September 9th, 2008, 01:38 PM
de Olga Popescu HotNews.ro (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-international-4281848-victor-iuscenko-acuzat-cedeaza-insula-serpilor-schimbul-intrarii-nato.htm)
Marţi, 9 septembrie 2008, 14:31 Actualitate | Internaţional

Victor Iuscenko, acuzat ca cedeaza Insula Serpilor in schimbul intrarii in NATO



Tot mai multe publicatii din Ucraina il acuza pe presedintele Victor Iuscenko de cedarea deliberata, fara prea multa lupta, a Insulei Serpilor in favoarea Romaniei. In schimb, scriu publicatii precum Novii Region sau Versii, Ucraina ar urma sa primeasca din partea NATO invitatia oficiala de aderare la organizatia in care Romania este deja stat membru.

Diplomatii ucraineni, sub conducerea presedntelui Victor Iuscenko, au cedat, practic, Insula Serpilor, a declarat agentiei Novai Region politologul ucrainean Andrei Ermolaev.

„Conflictul cu Romania legat de Insula Serpilor trebuie sa-i invete ceva pe politicienii ucraineni. NATO, sub a carui umbrela vrem noi sa ne adapostim, ne ia noua din teritoriul care reprezinta un platou continental de foarte mare perspectiva. Asta nu inseamna altceva decat o revizuire nemilitara atat a acordurilor de la Yalta, cat si a principiilor de la Helsinki. Dupa parerea mea, NATO s-a discreditat total ca garant al securitatii”, a spus Ermolaev.

"Iar presedintele Viktor Iuscenko si MAE tac in astfel de situatii, pentru ca el a pierdut aceasta batalie diplomatica. Corpul lui diplomatic, care era la curent cu aceasta chestiune, nu a putut gasi gasi si folosi in mod adecvat argumentele, pierzand aceasta disputa. Astazi, din partea Ucrainei nimeni nu apara acest interes in controversa cu Romania”, a subliniat Ermolaev.

"Superintegratorul" va ceda Insula Serpilor?

La Haga este in plina derulare procesul care opune Romania si Ucriana in chestiunea Insulei Serpilor. El poate arata in ce masura a avut dreptate Parlamentul atunci cand a decis sa-i ia presedintelui mare parte din prerogative, scrie publicatia ucraineana Versii intr-un amplu comentariu legat de procesul de la Curtea internationala de justitie.

Potrivit autorului articolului, desi audierile sunt la inceput, exista deja numeroase indoieli ca decizia va fi una favorabila Ucrainei, daca de politica externa va continua sa se ocupe presedintele Iuscenko. Ca prim argument, scrie publicatia Versii, este faptul ca renuntarea la o parte din teritoriul tarii va fi, mai degraba, explicate prin “interese supreme de securitate”: cu alte cuvinte, in fata amenintarii “agresiuni ruse”, trebuie cu orice pret intrat sub umbrela NATO.

Mai mult, scriu ziaristii ucraineni, Iuscenko nu va intra in conflict cu Romania si cu regimul presedintelui Traian Basescu, pentru ca ei sunt apropiati din punct de vedere politic.


Inteleg ca ucrainienii se asteapta deja sa piarda procesul??

joce23
September 9th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Surpriza cu terenurile de pe langa Canalul Dunare-Marea Neagra (mina de aur!; credeam chiar ca statul va oferi Voestalpine o parte din ele). :nuts: Sunt tare curios sa vad ce va urma acolo ...


Horia Bud imbogateste Canalele Navigabile

SC Building Invest SRL va plati, lunar, chirie catre CN ACN SA nu mai putin de 41.109 euro, fara TVA

Asa cum va prezentam in urma cu aproape o luna, CN Administratia Canalelor Navigabile SA a inregistrat o premiera: inchirierea pe luna a celor doua terenuri cu preturi mai mari decat ar fi scos din vanzarea lor.
... http://www.ziuact.ro/display.php?data=2008-09-09&id=237229

RODINVEST
September 9th, 2008, 02:16 PM
Copertile THE ECONOMIST.

In fiecare saptamana astept cu nerababdare o noua coperta. Si asta de luna asta e magistrala. Merita cumparata revista doar pentru coperti si pt caricaturi.

Cosmin
September 9th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Asta, nu?:lol:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2695/currentcovereulargeta7.jpg

Le Clerk
September 9th, 2008, 02:53 PM
^^:lol: Good one. :lol:

tomis3
September 9th, 2008, 02:56 PM
de Olga Popescu HotNews.ro (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-international-4281848-victor-iuscenko-acuzat-cedeaza-insula-serpilor-schimbul-intrarii-nato.htm)
Marţi, 9 septembrie 2008, 14:31 Actualitate | Internaţional



Inteleg ca ucrainienii se asteapta deja sa piarda procesul??


This is what americans call "yellow journalism" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism)

RODINVEST
September 9th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Asta, nu?:lol:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2695/currentcovereulargeta7.jpg

Exact asta. Am ras cand am vazut-o de nu am mai putut.

nebunul
September 9th, 2008, 03:33 PM
hehe :lol: http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/133162/discriminarea-tiganilor-o-gluma-proasta

Fallen
September 9th, 2008, 03:57 PM
Foarte tare articolul. Niste oameni nebuni. Eu nu m-as deghiza in tigan sub nici o forma. :nuts:

RODINVEST
September 9th, 2008, 03:59 PM
Aia nu aveau aspectul tiganului clasic tatuat si murdar din cap pana in picioare

nebunul
September 9th, 2008, 04:08 PM
Aia nu aveau aspectul tiganului clasic tatuat si murdar din cap pana in picioare

corect ... mai degraba arata a actori, flower power etc etc

Ne uităm după priviri urîte, în timp ce aşteptăm bagajele. Nimeni. Doar zîmbete şi priviri admirative. “Eşti actriţă, sînteţi actori?”, se repede o italiancă. “Nu, nu, ţigani sîntem.” Femeia dă din cap şi priveşte în continuare cu admiraţie. O spanioloaică tînără îşi trage soţul de mînecă arătînd spre noi: “Uite ce frumos, uite ce frumos!”.

napoletancă vine în fugă din spate şi mă apucă de braţ. “Hait, uite că nu e chiar aşa roz treaba”, îmi spun. “Poţi să te opreşti un pic? Fetiţa mea te-a văzut de pe partea cealaltă şi vrea să se uite mai de aproape la tine!”, gîfîie napoletanca. Se aproapie şi fetiţa, se uită la fuste, se uită la salbă şi pleacă zîmbind mulţumită.

... daca erau sau/si se comportau tiganii nostrii ca astia eram European Capital of Culture in fiecare an :nuts::lol::cheers:

Le Clerk
September 9th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Stefanescu si Marinescu fata cu Apocalipsa: Aceasta gaura neagra va absorbi tot si nu va putea fi inchisa/ Este posibila chiar o explozie nucleara (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-4283934-stefanescu-marinescu-fata-apocalipsa-aceasta-gaura-neagra-absorbi-tot-nu-putea-inchisa-este-posibila-chiar-explozie-nucleara.htm)

:crazy2: :lol:

Cosmin
September 9th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Stefanescu sustine ca acest gen de experimente nu ar trebui derulate pe Terra. El a oferit si solutia. “Sa nu faca experimente pana cand nu au tehnologia de a ajunge pe Luna”, a mai declarat Codrin Stefanescu.
Dobitocul asta crede ca o gaura neagra care ar creste si ar consuma Luna nu ar fi un pericol pentru Terra?!:crazy:
Marinescu are alta viziune: o mare explozie atomica.
O explozie atomica ar fi un simplu bobarnac in comparatie cu ce ar face o gaura neagra.
El crede ca efectele experimentului sunt de mai lunaga durata. "Diplomatia Comisiei Europene a tinut la secret acest proiect si de-abia de cateva zile le-au facut publice. Frica mea este ca in urmatorii 4-5 ani se poate schimba clima din acuza acestui proiect", spune Stoian.
Mai sa fie, abia acum le-au zis muritorilor. Ce conspiratie.:ohno: Cat de rupt de realitate sa fi?!:bash:

Faza cu clima ma depaseste...
La final de protest, prin fata sediului Reprezentantei Comisiei Europene in Romania trece un cuplu de pensionari. Dupa ce afla despre ce e vorba, barbatul isi indeamna consoarta: “Hai draga sa ne vedem pisicile, daca tot vine sfarsitul lumii”.
Genial!:rofl:

nebunul
September 9th, 2008, 05:40 PM
:nocrook: http://www.ziare.com/100_de_romani_participa_la_reconstituirea_Big_Bangului-407369.html

tomis3
September 9th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Inca vreo 2-3 din astea, si Obama va pierde sigur alegerile:

ueKl7QF_PpA

Cosmin
September 9th, 2008, 06:32 PM
Is that the guy from Forgetting Sarah Marshall (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800039/)?!:nuts:

tomis3
September 9th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Is that the guy from Forgetting Sarah Marshall (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800039/)?!:nuts:

I don't know who the hell he is, but he was chosen to host the MTV music awards...anyway his humor sucks and democrats are, like always, shooting themselves in the foot.

I've heard that the Obama campaign has started calling media outlets and asking that they stop criticizing Palin...I was convinced that this nut job was the proverbial nail in the McCain campaign coffin. But the American press went for the gutter and voters did not like it..Now McCain leads Obama (in some polls by as much as 10%) and it's mostly because of Palin.

keanu
September 9th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Dobitocul asta crede ca o gaura neagra care ar creste si ar consuma Luna nu ar fi un pericol pentru Terra?!:crazy:

O explozie atomica ar fi un simplu bobarnac in comparatie cu ce ar face o gaura neagra.

Mai sa fie, abia acum le-au zis muritorilor. Ce conspiratie.:ohno: Cat de rupt de realitate sa fi?!:bash:

Faza cu clima ma depaseste...

Genial!:rofl:

Oamenii astia au numai gauri negre in cap si nici macar nu stiu ce sunt alea.
Au auzit si ei acum din presa cand disputele legate de siguranta s-au dezbatut de mult cand ei nici macar nu stiau ca exista acest experiment.

Evenimente gen experimentul CERN s-au intamplat si se intampla de sute de mii de ori in Natura, deci Pamantul n-ar mai fi trebuit sa existe pana acum. :lol:

tomis3
September 9th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Sarkozy had a hard time in Moscow according to Reuters:

Sarkozy threatened to leave stormy Russian talks


TBILISI (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy threatened to walk out of stormy talks with Russian officials before securing a deal with President Dmitry Medvedev on Monday on withdrawing troops from Georgia, a French official said.

The four-hour talks at a castle near Moscow yielded an agreement by Russia to completely withdraw its forces from Georgia's heartland in a month but it did not commit to scale back its military presence in two Georgian separatist regions.

Sarkozy, whose country holds the rotating six-month presidency of the European Union, hailed the deal as a victory for European diplomacy and said that if the agreement is implemented, much death and suffering will have been avoided.

But his and Medvedev's smiles at a joint news conference hid a more fraught atmosphere in their closed-door meeting, which was also attended by European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

"There were very tense moments," a senior official in Sarkozy's office told reporters after the deal was announced.

The agreement was a follow-up to a six-point peace plan Sarkozy brokered between Moscow and Tbilisi a month ago, but which the West says Russia had only implemented about half of.

The original deal said both sides should withdraw to the positions they held before a brief war last month in which Russia's forces overran Georgia's smaller army after Tbilisi tried to retake control of the rebel region of South Ossetia.

Moscow said a provision in the deal allowing it to conduct 'additional security measures' permitted the stationing of troops in a buffer zone around the regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia -- an interpretation Tbilisi, and the West, deny.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-35382420080909?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

High Mileager
September 9th, 2008, 09:43 PM
Inca vreo 2-3 din astea, si Obama va pierde sigur alegerile:

True..
The moment I've seen Palin I thought that the whole campaign just got lots harder for Obama. I'm pretty sure 60%(at least) of Hilary supporters "are gonna give it" to her..but the good thing about these elections is "having where to choose from" comparing to four years ago when it was "a big dilema " and the question was: Which was one is the least worst? Kerry or Bush?!

This time either side is cool..IMO.

tomis3
September 9th, 2008, 09:58 PM
True..
The moment I've seen Palin I thought that the whole campaign just got lots harder for Obama. I'm pretty sure 60%(at least) of Hilary supporters "are gonna give it" to her..but the good thing about these elections is "having where to choose from" comparing to four years ago when it was "a big dilema " and the question was: Which was one is the least worst? Kerry or Bush?!

This time either side is cool..IMO.

I had the opposite view..the moment McCain select Palin, I thought his campaign was finished....but then the press and democrats attacked her relentlessly for almost a week. This had two effects: first it made many people very curious about her (almost as many people watched her speech as did Obama's) and once they saw her it made many rally behind her because they thought he had been unfairly treated.

Even though I don't like most of her policies (actually I think she's a nut) I must admit I was impressed with the way she handled herself at the convention. Not only was she confident and poised, but she repeatedly kicked Obama in the balls (with a smile on her face). Most commentators here agree that her attacks have been very affective.

High Mileager
September 9th, 2008, 10:23 PM
Well..when it comes to policies I don't agree much with her either..

First of all she's pro gun..and that's something America should really sort out..Too many guns around! I think Romanian laws are so much better by not allowing everyone to buy a gun.But that's just an outsider opinion.. many Americans actually do like that.. as they feel so much safer carrying/having one.
She's antiabortion.. again not wise enough for this century..not only IMO ...but again, that will be on the liking of hispanic community (many true catholic believers etc) and many of them Big fans of Hillary in the previous round..but which currently are having hard time to cope with Obama style.
I believe despite her little imperfections she will still appeal big time to those Hillary supporters which wanted a women at the TOP and still do(and as McCain is kinda old..you never know)
IMO she's a smart move ..

tomis3
September 9th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Don't care much about her views on abortion or guns...What I'm most concerned about is that she doesn't think global warming is man-made.

Le Clerk
September 10th, 2008, 07:26 AM
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25156306&postcount=806

Si noi o sa cumparam d-astea? Tre sa fim tampiti! :gaah:

nebunul
September 10th, 2008, 10:05 AM
In - ce - pe vitamina CE RNnnnnnnnnnnn :cheers:
http://www.rte.ie/live/
.7 :banana: go .8 goooooo :cheers:

edit: see picture on www.google.com :cheers:

Fallen
September 10th, 2008, 11:28 AM
@RichKid, can you act like a normal person would, please?
I told you to check the albanian section of the forum for information regarding your visit, not to bash them. How can you want credibility and respect on this forum when you go on the albanian forum and say in your first posts that:
-Albania is a struggling poverty stricken crime ridden nation that struggling to cope with the realities of the 21st century
-Albania is very very poor, highly complex, very bad infrastructure, very low per capita rates, and poor performing statistical outcomes always ranking bottom or near bottom in International rankings
-Albania is by far the biggest lagger as well as the other Yugoslav countries
-Albania is very bad it is a country of immense issues that will take decades to overcome
-It will take Albania years to catch up with the EU, the Balkans is a struggling region that is failing to grab hold of the realities of the 21st Century

And you posted these in the Tourism thread... what's wring with you? GROW UP!!! Speaking of that... how old are you? 15-16?

I feel bad about the situation now, since it's my fault you got there. You'd better go and APOLOGIZE for your behaviour and let the albanian guys alone!!

Cosmin
September 10th, 2008, 11:41 AM
^^What has he done now?:eek: I better go check...

Btw, I told him too to go on the Albanian forum.

Fallen
September 10th, 2008, 11:51 AM
Lately I have tried to be friendly towards him, but this puts an end to my positive attitude.

Cosmin
September 10th, 2008, 11:55 AM
But why? You should be happy... the end of the world is coming, haven't you heard? What better time to take Richy out for a beer and become friends?:D

Fallen
September 10th, 2008, 11:57 AM
Last time i looked at the sky, all the 3 suns were up. So there's nothing to worry about, see? :D

Cosmin
September 10th, 2008, 12:02 PM
You should drink less man.:ohno:

RichKid_01
September 10th, 2008, 12:55 PM
@RichKid, can you act like a normal person would, please?
I told you to check the albanian section of the forum for information regarding your visit, not to bash them. How can you want credibility and respect on this forum when you go on the albanian forum and say in your first posts that:
-Albania is a struggling poverty stricken crime ridden nation that struggling to cope with the realities of the 21st century
-Albania is very very poor, highly complex, very bad infrastructure, very low per capita rates, and poor performing statistical outcomes always ranking bottom or near bottom in International rankings
-Albania is by far the biggest lagger as well as the other Yugoslav countries
-Albania is very bad it is a country of immense issues that will take decades to overcome
-It will take Albania years to catch up with the EU, the Balkans is a struggling region that is failing to grab hold of the realities of the 21st Century

And you posted these in the Tourism thread... what's wring with you? GROW UP!!! Speaking of that... how old are you? 15-16?

I feel bad about the situation now, since it's my fault you got there. You'd better go and APOLOGIZE for your behaviour and let the albanian guys alone!!

Im sorry I apologise its not your fault, I had a bad day with my parents im am so sorry, please forgive me. Thats what my dad said and btw I have read the EU reports on Alabania and the Balkans, but its still wasnt right what I did. Coming from a Country with a high per capita being part of a rich country sometimes doesnt make me appreciate certain things very well. Im sorry please I apologised I just want you to forgive me. No I like your positive atttitude fallen I like all of your positive comments everyone, I swear to god I wont do it again I promise

Fallen
September 10th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Apologize to them not to me...

RichKid_01
September 10th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Apologize to them not to me...

Please be happy!:) I feel bad about saying those things

Fallen
September 10th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Well, every action has it's consequences. Think about the possible consequences before deciding to post something.

RichKid_01
September 10th, 2008, 01:44 PM
Well, every action has it's consequences. Think about the possible consequences before deciding to post something.

Absolutely right, and I am ashamed for saying such bad stuff. I just want all of you wether Romanian Bulgarian or Albanian just to forgive me. Btw I sent you a private message I want you to read it, please. God I feel so bad

Le Clerk
September 10th, 2008, 01:48 PM
RichKid, stop apologizing so much. There's no need to do it so hysterically. You did smth bad, you apologized and that's it. The only thing you should learn is stop bashing at other people or countries, and please post consistently (as in paying attention to the topic of the thread). ;) :cheers:

Le Clerk
September 10th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Stefanescu si Marinescu fata cu Apocalipsa: Aceasta gaura neagra va absorbi tot si nu va putea fi inchisa/ Este posibila chiar o explozie nucleara (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-4283934-stefanescu-marinescu-fata-apocalipsa-aceasta-gaura-neagra-absorbi-tot-nu-putea-inchisa-este-posibila-chiar-explozie-nucleara.htm)

:crazy2: :lol:

Acum mi-a picat fisa ca daca totusi se va demonstra ca au dreptate :crazy:, nu vor mai avea timp sa zica: V-am spus noi! :lol:

tomis3
September 10th, 2008, 02:34 PM
i308sX3C3PA

Fallen
September 10th, 2008, 02:57 PM
That guy has got a "foot in your ass" problem :))

Cristii
September 10th, 2008, 03:00 PM
Printre sitcomurile mele preferate:cheers:

edit: Ce o sa vedem in seara asta la stiri:

http://www.220.ro/Piturca_prins_ca_triseaza_la_cazino-107902.html :ohno:

nebunul
September 10th, 2008, 06:00 PM
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3192/dscf1205sa6.jpg


Imaginile sunt neregizate: cu notebookul la malul lacului
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5135/buclacaz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.cotidianul.ro/parca_ar_fi_o_reclama_pentru_3g_dar_nu_e-57645.html

Cosmin
September 11th, 2008, 12:11 AM
Google Earth has new imagery (Oct. 2007) for Paris... maybe in a few months we'll get an update for Bucharest, who knows.

tomis3
September 11th, 2008, 04:55 AM
Un articol excelent:

Sourcw: www.nybooks.com (New York Review of Books)

By George Friedman

The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It has simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This has opened an opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that on August 8.

Let's begin simply by reviewing recent events. On the night of Thursday, August 7, forces of the Republic of Georgia moved across the border of South Ossetia, a secessionist region of Georgia that has functioned as an independent entity since the fall of the Soviet Union (see map).

http://www.nybooks.com/images/tables/2008092526img1.gif
They drove on to the capital, Tskhinvali, which is close to the border. Georgian forces got bogged down while trying to take the city. In spite of heavy fighting, they never fully secured it, nor the rest of South Ossetia.

On the morning of August 8, Russian forces entered South Ossetia, using armored and motorized infantry forces along with air power. South Ossetia was informally aligned with Russia, and Russia acted to prevent the region's absorption by Georgia. In view of the speed with which the Russians responded—within hours of the Georgian attack—they had been expecting it and were themselves at their jumping-off points. The counterattack was carefully planned and competently executed, and over the next forty-eight hours the Russians succeeded in defeating the main Georgian force and compelling a retreat. By Sunday, August 10, they had consolidated their position in South Ossetia.

On Monday, August 11, the Russians extended their offensive into Georgia proper, attacking on two axes. One was south from South Ossetia to the Georgian city of Gori. The other was from Abkhazia, another secessionist region of Georgia aligned with the Russians. (On August 26, Russia recognized South Ossetian and Abkhazian independence, turning the de facto situation of the last sixteen years into a de jure one.) This drive was designed to cut the road between the Georgian capital of Tbilisi and its Black Sea ports, Poti and Batumi. By this point, the Russians had bombed the Georgian military airfields at Marneuli and Vaziani and appeared to have disabled radars at the international airport in Tbilisi. These moves brought Russian forces to within forty miles of the Georgian capital, while making outside re-inforcement and resupply of Georgian forces extremely difficult should anyone wish to undertake it.

The Mystery Behind the Georgian Invasion

In this simple chronicle, there is something quite mysterious: Why did the Georgians choose to invade South Ossetia on August 7? There had been a great deal of shelling by the South Ossetians of Georgian villages for the previous three nights, but while possibly more intense than usual, such artillery exchanges were routine. The Georgians might not have fought well, but they committed fairly substantial forces that must have taken at the very least several days to deploy and supply. Georgia's move was deliberate.

The United States is Georgia's closest ally. It maintained about 130 military advisers in Georgia, along with civilian advisers, contractors involved in all aspects of the Georgian government, and people doing business there. (The United States conducted joint exercises with Georgian troops in July, with over a thousand US troops deployed. The Russians carried out parallel exercises in response. US troops withdrew. The Russian maneuver force remained in position and formed the core of the invading force.) It is inconceivable that the Americans were unaware of Georgia's mobilization and intentions. It is also inconceivable that the Americans were unaware that the Russians had deployed substantial forces on the South Ossetian border. US technical intelligence, from satellite imagery and signals intelligence to unmanned aerial vehicles, could not miss the fact that thousands of Russian troops were moving to forward positions. The Russians clearly knew that the Georgians were ready to move. How could the United States not be aware of the Russians? Indeed, given the deployments of Russian troops, how could intelligence analysts have missed the possibility that Russia had laid a trap, hoping for a Georgian invasion to justify its own counterattack?

It is difficult to imagine that the Georgians launched their attack against US wishes. The Georgians rely on the United States, and they were in no position to defy it. This leaves two possibilities. The first is a huge breakdown in intelligence, in which the United States either was unaware of the deployments of Russian forces or knew of them but—along with the Georgians—miscalculated Russia's intentions. The second is that the United States, along with other countries, has viewed Russia through the prism of the 1990s, when its military was in shambles and its government was paralyzed. The United States has not seen Russia make a decisive military move beyond its borders since the Afghan war of the 1970s and 1980s. The Russians had systematically avoided such moves for years. The United States had assumed that they would not risk the consequences of an invasion.

If that was the case, then it points to the central reality of this situation: the Russians had changed dramatically, along with the balance of power in the region. They welcomed the opportunity to drive home the new reality, which was that they could invade Georgia, and the United States and Europe could not meaningfully respond. They did not view the invasion as risky. Militarily, there was no force to counter them. Economically, Russia is an energy exporter doing quite well—indeed, the Europeans need Russian energy even more than the Russians need to sell it to them. Politically, as we shall see, the Americans need the Russians more than the Russians need the Americans. Moscow's calculus was that this was the moment to strike. The Russians had been building up to it for months, and they struck.

Western Encirclement of Russia

To understand Russian thinking, we need to look at two events. The first is the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. From the US and European points of view, the Orange Revolution repre-sented a triumph of democracy and Western influence. From the Russian point of view, as Moscow made clear, the Orange Revolution was a CIA-funded intrusion into the internal affairs of Ukraine, designed to draw Ukraine into NATO and add to the encirclement of Russia. US Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton had promised the Russians that NATO would not expand into the former Soviet empire.

That promise had already been broken in 1998 by NATO's expansion to Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic—and again in the 2004 expansion, which included not only the rest of the former Soviet satellites in what is now Central Europe, but also the three Baltic states, which had been components of the Soviet Union.

The Russians had tolerated all that, but the discussion of including Ukraine in NATO represented to them a fundamental threat to Russia's national security. It would, in their calculations, have rendered Russia indefensible and threatened to destabilize the Russian Federation itself. When the United States went so far as to suggest that Georgia be included as well, bringing NATO deeper into the Caucasus, the Russian conclusion—publicly stated—was that the United States in particular intended to encircle and break Russia.

The second and lesser event was the decision by Europe and the United States to back Kosovo's separation from Serbia. The Russians were friendly with Serbia, but the deeper issue for Russia was this: the principle accepted in Europe since World War II was that, to prevent conflict, national borders would not be changed. If that principle were violated in Kosovo, other border shifts—including demands by various regions for independence from Russia—might follow. The Russians publicly and privately asked that Kosovo not be given formal independence, but instead continue its informal autonomy, which was the same thing in practical terms. Russia's requests were ignored.

From the Ukrainian experience, the Russians became convinced that the United States was engaged in a plan of strategic encirclement and strangulation of Russia. From the Kosovo experience, they concluded that the United States and Europe were not prepared to consider Russian wishes even in fairly minor affairs. That was the breaking point. If Russian desires could not be accommodated even in a minor matter like this, then clearly Russia and the West were in conflict. For the Russians, as we said, the question was how to respond. Having declined to respond in Kosovo, they decided to respond where they had all the cards: in South Ossetia.

Moscow had two motives, the lesser of which was as a tit-for-tat over Kosovo. If Kosovo could be declared independent under Western sponsorship, then South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two breakaway regions of Georgia, could be declared independent under Russian sponsorship. Any objections from the United States and Europe would simply confirm their hypocrisy. This was important for internal Russian political reasons, but the second motive was far more important.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin once said that the fall of the Soviet Union was a geopolitical disaster. This didn't mean that he wanted to retain the Soviet state; rather, it meant that the disintegration of the Soviet Union had created a situation in which Russian national security was threatened by Western interests. As an example, consider that during the cold war, St. Petersburg was about 1,200 miles away from a NATO country. Today it is less than a hundred miles away from Estonia, a NATO member. The disintegration of the Soviet Union had left Russia surrounded by a group of countries that it sees as hostile to its interests in various degrees and heavily influenced by the United States, Europe, and, in some cases, China.

Resurrecting the Russian Sphere

Putin did not want to reestablish the Soviet Union, but he did want to re- establish the Russian sphere of influence in the former Soviet region. To accomplish that, he had to do two things. First, he had to reestablish the credibility of the Russian army as a fighting force, at least in its own region. Second, he had to establish that Western guarantees, including NATO membership, meant nothing in the face of Russian power. He did not want to confront NATO directly, but he did want to confront and defeat a power that was closely aligned with the United States, had US support, aid, and advisers, and was widely seen as being under American protection. Georgia was the perfect choice.

By invading Georgia as Russia did (competently if not brilliantly), Putin reestablished the credibility of the Russian army. (It was no surprise that its operations would render thousands of people homeless and cause civilian casualties.) But far more importantly, Putin's invasion revealed an open secret. While the United States is tied down in the Middle East, American guarantees have no value. This lesson is not for American consumption. It is something that, from the Russian point of view, the Ukrainians, the Balts, and the Central Asians need to digest. Indeed, it is a lesson Putin wants to transmit to Poland and the Czech Republic as well. In July, the Czech government signed an agreement with the United States to set up a ballistic missile defense installation in the Czech Republic, and in August, days after the conflict in Georgia began, the Polish government announced that it has agreed to allow the Americans to build an anti-missile base in Poland. The US–Polish agreement was hurriedly signed as a gesture of defiance to the Russians. The Russians responded with threats that Condoleezza Rice dismissed as "bizarre."

The Russians knew that the United States would denounce their attack. This actually plays into Russian hands. The more vocal senior US leaders are, the greater the contrast with their inaction, and the Russians wanted to drive home the idea that American guarantees are empty talk. The Russians also know something else that is of vital importance. For the United States, the Middle East is far more important than the Caucasus, and Iran is particularly important. The United States wants the Russians to participate in sanctions against Iran. Even more importantly, it does not want the Russians to sell weapons to Iran, particularly the highly effective S-300 air defense system. Georgia is a marginal issue to the United States; Iran is a central issue. The Russians are in a position to pose serious problems for the United States not only in Iran, but also with weapons sales to other countries, like Syria.

Therefore, the United States has a problem—either it must reorient its strategy away from the Middle East and toward the Caucasus, or it has to seriously limit its response to Georgia to avoid a Russian counter in Iran. Even if the United States had an appetite for war in Georgia at this time, it would have to calculate the Russian response in Iran—and possibly in Afghanistan (even though Moscow's interests there are currently aligned with those of Washington).

In other words, the Russians have backed the Americans into a corner. The Europeans, who for the most part lack expeditionary military forces and are dependent upon Russian energy exports, have even fewer options. If nothing else happens, the Russians will have demonstrated that though they are not a global power by any means, they have resumed their role as a significant regional power with lots of nuclear weapons and an economy that is less shabby now than in the past. Russia has also compelled every state on its periphery to reevaluate its position relative to Moscow. That is what the Russians wanted to demonstrate, and they have demonstrated it.

The war in Georgia, therefore, is Russia's public return to great power status. This is not something that just happened—it has been unfolding ever since Putin took power, and with growing intensity in the past five years. Part of it has to do with the increase in Russian power, but a great deal of it has to do with the fact that the Middle Eastern wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have left the United States off-balance and short on resources. This conflict created a window of opportunity. The Russian goal is to use that window to assert a new reality throughout the region while the Americans are tied down elsewhere and dependent on Russian cooperation. The war was far from a surprise; it has been building for months. But the geopolitical foundations of the war have been building since 1992. Russia has been an empire for centuries. The last fifteen years or so were not the new reality, but simply an aberration that would be rectified. And now it is being rectified. Whether the US and its allies can mount a coherent response has now become a central question of Western foreign policy.

—August 27, 2008

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21772

tomis3
September 11th, 2008, 06:20 AM
Geopolitics - Dr. George Friedman

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nebunul
September 11th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Decent article but some bullshit:

- NATO membership, meant nothing in the face of Russian power
No NATO country was attacked

- While the United States is tied down in the Middle East, American guarantees have no value
Georgia is not occupied by Russia

- Russia surrounded by a group of countries that it sees as hostile to its interests
Russia is the hostile side ...

- He did want to re- establish the Russian sphere of influence in the former Soviet region
Says who? Russia? WTF are they to decide for others?! Hehe ..they can NOT touch a NATO/EU country ;)

Americans (as the article confirms) knew about Russians getting ready to respond to Georgia's "attack" ... What IF USA drew Russia into this conflict so they can be kept busy while Iran is attacked?! :nuts:

Cosmin
September 11th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Remembering 9/11 (Reuters) (http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?collectionId=2264&galleryName=News#a=1)

Le Clerk
September 11th, 2008, 03:36 PM
de R.M. HotNews.ro
Joi, 11 septembrie 2008, 16:20 Ultima ora

Iasi: Oficialii straini care vor vizita orasul vor primi medalii de argint


Conducerea Consiliului Judetean Iasi va acorda medalii de argint tuturor oficialilor straini care vor vizita orasul, au anuntat, joi, reprezentantii institutiei publice, transmite NewsIn.

Potrivit sursei citate, medaliile vor fi inscriptionate pe una din fete cu stema orasului, iar pe verso "Pro Amicitia, Pro Fidelitate".

"Pana acum, ofeream cate un album cu orasul, o insigna si un CD de prezentare a orasului. Pe langa acestea, s-a propus sa se acorde si medaliile, ca simbol al parteneriatului intre Iasi si zonele de unde vor veni respectivele delegatii straine", a declarat purtatorul de cuvant al CJ Iasi, Sebastian Tataru.

Acesta a adaugat ca propunerea a venit din partea presedintelui CJ, Constantin Simirad.


Ce se intampla la Iasi de au oamenii idei de genul asta? S-a facut mustul? :drunk:

tomis3
September 11th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Decent article but some bullshit:

- NATO membership, meant nothing in the face of Russian power
No NATO country was attacked

For some NATO members, this is the case. How safe do you think Estonia feels right now. Of Russia were to make a move this weekend, do you think NATO and the EU (a new invertebrate species) would do anything about it?

- While the United States is tied down in the Middle East, American guarantees have no value
Georgia is not occupied by Russia

They did invade and could have easily taken the over the whole thing.

- Russia surrounded by a group of countries that it sees as hostile to its interests
Russia is the hostile side ...

Russia sees countries that do no not act the way Moscow wants as hostile. What's the issue?

- He did want to re- establish the Russian sphere of influence in the former Soviet region
Says who? Russia? WTF are they to decide for others?! Hehe ..they can NOT touch a NATO/EU country ;)

The Baltics and EE are very touchable. Why do you think Poland and the Czech Rep. agreed to host the "missile defense shield"? Because they came to the conclusion that NATO membership is not quite enough. This probably isn't discussed much in Europe but many in the US are now openly saying that NATO membership means nothing for this region. The accepted thinking now is that American should not have made promises it could not keep.

Americans (as the article confirms) knew about Russians getting ready to respond to Georgia's "attack" ... What IF USA drew Russia into this conflict so they can be kept busy while Iran is attacked?! :nuts:

You would need a much bigger conflict to keep Russia busy. Georgia is not Iraq or Afghanistan....far from it.

joce23
September 11th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Desi se stia ff bine ca Voestalpine vrea un teren in zona portului, in luna iunie terenul cel mai apetisant pentru ei a fost acordat (prin licitatie) SC Comvex SA. Ciudata treaba, nu vi se pare? Terenul ala putea fi oferit direct Voestalpine (daca tot e o investitieextrem de imp.), sau macar Voestalpine l-ar fi putut obtine, precum Comvex, la licitatia din Iunie. Acelasi lucru e valabil si pentru terenurile de pe langa canal de care am scris ieri ca au fost inchiriate (prin licitatie) de un/o tip/firma din Cta (Mr. Bud parca, care va plati 50mii de euro pe luna chirie, fara TVA). Incurcata mi se parea afacerea asta cu Voestalpine. De e bine [sa nu aibe terenuri chiar in buza orasului] sau e rau [sa se duca la altii!], vom afla cand vor lua decizia finala.


In prezent, Guvernul cauta solutii prin care sa ofere Voestalpine o alternativa la un teren din jurul Portului Constanta, cu o suprafata de 50 de hectare, solicitat de compania austriaca, a carui concesiune a fost cistigata prin licitatie de SC Comvex SA, in luna iunie a acestui an.

tomis3
September 11th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Summary

As countries the world over begin reassessing their relationships with a resurging Russia and a bogged-down United States, Germany in particular has some tough choices to make. While Germany has a place in the European Union and NATO, Stratfor sources have said that Russia has offered Germany a security agreement — and German Chancellor Angela Merkel knows how vulnerable her country is to Russia.

Analysis

As countries around the world rethink their positions and ties with the resurgent Russia and the bogged-down United States, one of the countries with the largest dilemma is Germany. Unlike many former Warsaw Pact or Soviet states that were forced to adjust dramatically and quickly to a Russia on the move, Germany’s geographic location, ties to Moscow and history as a leader and divider of Europe make it the next state to have to make a tough decision. Berlin will have to decide whether it wants to continue acting like an occupied state and relying on the NATO-Washington security guarantee, or act on its own and make its own security pacts with Moscow. In the past, Germany and Russia traditionally have cooperated when they were not at war with each other — something that makes geopolitical sense but terrifies the rest of Europe.

The world changed Aug. 8 as Russia proved its strength when it launched a military campaign in Georgia and the West did not come to Tbilisi’s aid. Moscow’s muscle-flexing in its former Soviet state forced many countries to reassess their positions immediately by either solidifying their ties to Russia — like Armenia and Belarus — or turning to Washington to guarantee its security — like Poland. Naturally, former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries were the first ones to react; not only are they closer to Russia, they also have the most to gain or lose in the short term.

But during the Cold War, one country — Germany — was divided between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. This put it in a very different position from most of Europe. During that time, a defeated Germany not only was split and occupied, but also was not allowed to field a meaningful independent foreign or military policy. Instead, all of its energies were harnessed into the European Union and NATO. During the decade following its reunification, Germany has slowly crawled its way back to being a normal state allowed to have an opinion.

Today’s Germany closely resembles pre-World War II Germany; it is economically and politically strong, unified and unoccupied, which means it can actually decide whether to align with Russia or the West instead of having the choice made for it, as it was in 1949. Moreover, the awakening Germany is one of three major powers left in Europe today (the other two being France and the United Kingdom), and it has been looking to reprise its role as Europe’s natural leader. It makes sense for Berlin to claim this title by dint of population, location and economic heft.

Of the major European powers, Germany is the one with the difficult decision to make between Russia and NATO. It is a member of the latter, and it makes sense to stick to its current alliances. But Germany never really made the decision to join NATO. Only half of Germany was part of the alliance during the Cold War (as decreed by the United States); after German reunification, East Germany joined NATO when Russia was weak and chaotic. Germany had no choice but to continue its Western alliances after the Cold War.

But with Russia regaining strength, Germany stands on the front lines of whatever Moscow has planned. Germany is vulnerable to Russia on many fronts. It has a very deep memory of what it feels like to have the Russians easily march across the northern European plain to German territory, which led to the Soviet occupation of half the country for four decades. Germany and Russia are also currently each other’s largest trading partners, and Russia provides more than 60 percent of Germany’s natural gas.

So Berlin is now reassessing its allegiances to Washington and NATO, which would keep the country locked into the policies it made as an occupied state. Or Germany could act like its own state and create its own security guarantee with Russia — something that would rip NATO apart. Berlin does not have to make a decision right now, but it does need to start mulling its options and the consequences.

Rumors are floating around Moscow that a discussion between the Kremlin and Berlin on such a topic is occurring — not that a deadline has been presented, just that a dialogue on the issue is under way. Of course, such a discussion would be tightly guarded until Berlin actually made a decision. On Aug. 15, as the war between Georgia and Russia wound down, German Chancellor Angela Merkel met with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev in Sochi, but the meeting was highly tense (as shown during their press conference).

Germany acted peculiar during the entire Georgian-Russian conflict. When the war began, Berlin issued a fluff statement on “needing to find a solution” between the two states; however, as the war escalated, Merkel fell silent on the issue. Many within the German government released statements in favor of either Russia or Georgia, but it is Merkel who calls the shots in the country — and she was waiting for her meeting with Medvedev before speaking. Merkel is an interesting leader to have in Germany at this stage because she is the first German chancellor born in East Germany. This leads her to be more critical and firm against the Russians, but nonetheless she understands how vulnerable her country is right now. Germany may be an economic powerhouse, but it is still militarily weak, so its security is in the forefront of its mind.

Stratfor sources in Moscow have said that Medvedev has offered Merkel a security pact for their two countries. This offer is completely unconfirmed, and the details are unknown. However, it would make sense for Russia to propose such a pact since Moscow knows that, of all the European countries, Germany is the one to pursue — not only because of the country’s vulnerabilities and strong economic ties with Russia but because the two have a history of cozying up to each other.

While such an alliance might sound like a stretch in today’s U.S.-dominated world, there are two things to consider. First, like Russia, Germany is wary of Washington’s strengthening presence in Europe. The United States already has the United Kingdom as its closest ally, France has returned to the NATO fold, and Washington is gaining the allegiance of many Central European states — all of which undercuts Germany’s dominance on the continent. This is not to say that Germany is ready to ditch NATO just yet, especially since Berlin has no military heft. However, Berlin must at least be considering how to balance the U.S. presence in Europe.

Second, most of the world thought it impossible for Germany and Russia to ally in the 1930s, but the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (the treaty of nonaggression between Germany and the Soviet Union) confirmed the two countries’ tradition of turning to each other when both are not at war or occupied. This was not the first Russo-German treaty, but actually the third, after the League of the Three Emperors in 1872 and the Treaty of Rapallo in 1922.

These two considerations together should cause concern in most of Europe. Since Germany and Russia are the two big powers on the block and want to keep any other power (like the United States) from their region, it would make sense for Berlin and Moscow to want to forge an agreement to divide up the neighborhood — such as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which had secret protocol dividing the independent countries of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania into either the Nazi or Soviet spheres of influence. Most of those countries have since sided with Washington, but if Germany and Russia make some sort of deal, it will be open season on American influence in Europe.

All of this is not to say that Berlin is about to flip on the West. It has time to mull its decision. The point is that Germany is not the solid rock of NATO and the European Union that the West assumes it is. Russia’s recent actions mean that history is catching up with the Germans and that a choice will eventually come. Everything depends on Berlin’s choice between maintaining its dependence on the United States or flipping the entire balance structure in Europe by striking a deal with Russia. Berlin has been itching to reassert itself as a real and unbound power on the continent once again. However, though it has new economic and political strength, Germany is in many ways more vulnerable than it has been in more than 60 years. Berlin’s choice will shape the future of Europe and possibly the world.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/germany_merkels_choice_and_future_europe

tomis3
September 11th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Germany and Russia: A Special Relationship

http://www.twq.com/07spring/docs/07spring_rahr.pdf

Le Clerk
September 11th, 2008, 10:45 PM
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/germany_merkels_choice_and_future_europe

Interesanta analiza. Exact asta ne-ar mai trebui acum in Europa. O alianta intre Germania si Rusia. :ohno:

tomis3
September 11th, 2008, 11:49 PM
Interesanta analiza. Exact asta ne-ar mai trebui acum in Europa. O alianta intre Germania si Rusia. :ohno:

Eu cred ca e inevitabila. Ramane de vazut cum vor integra Europa de Est in schema asta. Razboiul din Gerogia e un pas inapoi...sa vadem ce va urma.

M-a suprins foarte tare compartamenul lu' Basescu din ultima luna...el care pana acum latra la Rusia oricand putea, a ales ca mai mult sa taca in legatura Gerogia...De ce? Poate ca a primit ceva semnale de la Berlin sau/si Moscova ca ar fi mai bine sa li se alature...Atat Germania cat si Rusia ar avea multe de oferit (daca vor) Romaniei.

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Everybody!!! Boys, Girls, Ladies and Gentlemen. I have posted a thread for everyone on this Website to enjoy and laugh at, This is dedicated to everyone on this Forum.

Watch and enjoy

Romania needs something like this!!

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Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 10:39 AM
The 1st video in RichKid's thread is not funny...

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 10:39 AM
You can either post some of these on Nebuniile nebunului, our off-topic thread, or on DLM (they have a thread for funny stuff). Please try to understand that we try to keep off-topic under control on sub subforums, including the Romanian one. Thanks.

Cosmin, mare gresala ai facut. O sa umple Nebuniile... cu tot felul de aiureli. :ohno:

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Cosmin, mare gresala ai facut. O sa umple Nebuniile... cu tot felul de aiureli. :ohno:

Whats the problem?

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 10:42 AM
No problem, nu ma doare mouse-ul sa-i sterg posturile. Vreau sa vad si unde-i limita la el.:)

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:43 AM
No problem, nu ma doare mouse-ul sa-i sterg posturile. Vreau sa vad si unde-i limita la el.:)

Im sorry but can you say it in English? I dont understand. Thanks so much

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 10:43 AM
You posted them once. Locked does not mean deleted. The videos are still there, don't repost them here.

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 10:44 AM
Whats the problem?

We do not want you to keep flooding this thread with countless videos. We post fun stuff from time to time here, but it's generally related to Romania. This thread is mostly focused on various stuff which cannot be covered in other threads on the Romanian subforum, yet not particularly focused on funny stuff. So, please do not flood it with countless videos. Put a limit to what you post and again, follow the thread's topic whenever you post smth. Thanks. :cheers:

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 10:46 AM
Guys, do not forget to check the albanian subforum, to see some interesting questions from our friend here :nuts: (economy and industry news thread)

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:49 AM
We do not want you to keep flooding this thread with countless videos. We post fun stuff from time to time here, but it's generally related to Romania. This thread is mostly focused on various stuff which cannot be covered in other threads on the Romanian subforum, yet not particularly focused on funny stuff. So, please do not flood it with countless videos. Put a limit to what you post and again, follow the thread's topic whenever you post smth. Thanks. :cheers:

Oh come on! Im so sorry, Im just trying to make this fun, im Australian and its in our nature to be happy and enjoy things about life, I cant help it. Its jokes man! Why cant we have fun here, why cant it be about International stuff instead of Moldova this and Romania that. Im not being rude, I just want it to be full of fun and laughs. I was popular at school cause I did this at school I was the class clown and shit, I was popular because of my happy and positive nature. Its the way I am.

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Im sorry but can you say it in English? I dont understand. Thanks so much
It was for Le Clerk. I said I have no problem deleting your posts if you start flooding this thread and that I want to see where you'll stop.

Yes, we understand, and I'm all for "international stuff":nuts:, but that doesn't mean you must flood threads with YouTube vids. If something's really funny then you can post it here, but 15 posts in a row, that's too much. And besides, DLM is much more international than national sections are.

You can of course choose to ignore this and posts as you like, what you like, but you should know there'll be consequences if you turn into a spammer.

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Guys, do not forget to check the albanian subforum, to see some interesting questions from our friend here :nuts: (economy and industry news thread)

Aaaaa, cred ca nu pot sa ma tin pe scaun de ras. Asta nu e normal. Oricum, ti facut o treaba buna sa-l trimiteti sa-i enerveze si pe altii. :lol::cheers:

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:53 AM
It was for Le Clerk. I said I have no problem deleting your posts if you start flooding this thread and that I want to see where you'll stop.

Ive stopped

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:54 AM
Aaaaa, cred ca nu pot sa ma tin pe scaun de ras. Asta nu e normal. Oricum, ti facut o treaba buna sa-l trimiteti sa-i enerveze si pe altii. :lol::cheers:

Why are you saying shit about me? I get uneasy if people start talking in different languages and its mean stuff.

nebunul
September 12th, 2008, 10:55 AM
For some NATO members, this is the case. How safe do you think Estonia feels right now. Of Russia were to make a move this weekend, do you think NATO and the EU (a new invertebrate species) would do anything about it?

Firstly, you're joking right? Secondly, Estonia is very safe. Let's not underestimate NATO's capabilities and obligations ... and let's remember ...

The North Atlantic Treaty - Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .


They did invade and could have easily taken the over the whole thing.

COULD HAVE ... does not qualify as DID. So they did NOT ...


Russia sees countries that do no not act the way Moscow wants as hostile. What's the issue?

No issue really. Just find it pointless to mention Putin's paranoia. BTW "Every madman thinks everybody else is mad" :nuts:


The Baltics and EE are very touchable. Why do you think Poland and the Czech Rep. agreed to host the "missile defense shield"? Because they came to the conclusion that NATO membership is not quite enough. This probably isn't discussed much in Europe but many in the US are now openly saying that NATO membership means nothing for this region. The accepted thinking now is that American should not have made promises it could not keep.


"missile defense shield" has nothing to do with Russia. Unless Russia (or others) is planning to attack them/NATO. Russia can (will) NOT attack EU ... let's keep it real, shall we? :cheers:


You would need a much bigger conflict to keep Russia busy. Georgia is not Iraq or Afghanistan....far from it.

Just a guess but … time will tell ...
I am certain of the fact that USA allowed (suggested) Georgia to attack. The question is why?!

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 10:55 AM
I've heard that the bulgarians feel lonely lately...

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 10:57 AM
Why are you saying shit about me? I get uneasy if people start talking in different languages and its mean stuff.

I am not saying shit about you. I have just read some of your questions on the Albanian forum and thought they were funny. You have a great funny attitude! :okay:

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 10:58 AM
A bit twisted, especially towards some countries, but funny, yes.:lol:

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 10:58 AM
I've heard that the bulgarians feel lonely lately...

Why are you being mean, im getting upset, I said I was sorry ages ago and I explained to you in the private message about my situation, please be nice, god im being nice now I made a promise not to say bad stuff again and I have keeped my promise. Everybody here is upsetting me, its like your ganging up on me:(

I am not saying shit about you. I have just read some of your questions on the Albanian forum and thought they were funny. You have a great funny attitude! :okay:

Ok thats ok, im just upset cause I feel im not being respected anymore, I made was wrong on what I did, I really am sorry, I feel being mocked and stuff, I explained to Cosmin and Fallen my situation and stuff, I just want people to give me respect and forgive me for my mistake

A bit twisted, especially towards some countries, but funny, yes.:lol:

Im just curious I ask lots of questions, Im curious about how life is, im interested in life, countries and culture

This is how your post should look like; not 3 posts in a row. Use the power of the Edit button. It's the Large Hadron Collider of SSC; it can do some awesome stuff.:lol:

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Then choose your words and things you post accordingly to the forum you are in. THINK at how people would interpret your questions before posting them. Do not make consecutive posts. There is an edit button in each post, which you can use if you want to add something.

See what i mean? 3 consecutive posts, when you could've posted only one, with 3 replies in it: @LeClerk ...; @Cosmin...; @Fallen...

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 11:07 AM
Respect has nothing to do with your thread being locked or deleted or being advised to take it easy with all the flooding. And take a chance, if you do something stupid or against the rules, people WILL make fun of you (for a short while). It's life, and this forum is no different. Being mocked (although it's not really the case with you) is something you can learn from, as odd as it may seem.

And btw, you say shit about other countries (Albania, Bulgaria) and when we laugh at what you say you get upset? How do you think Albanians and Bulgarians feel? I'm all for being open and discussing problems, but there's a difference between that and plain old rudeness.

P.S.: yes, I know you apologized. That's not the point.

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:11 AM
Respect has nothing to do with your thread being locked or deleted or being advised to take it easy with all the flooding. And take a chance, if you do something stupid or against the rules, people WILL make fun of you (for a short while). It's life, and this forum is no different. Being mocked (although it's not really the case with you) is something you can learn from, as odd as it may seem.

And btw, you say shit about other countries (Albania, Bulgaria) and when we laugh at what you say you get upset? How do you think Albanians and Bulgarians feel? I'm all for being open and discussing problems, but there's a difference between that and plain old rudeness.

P.S.: yes, I know you apologized. That's not the point.

I havent done so in a while, oh my god! It was a mistake, and I told you why I did it, I cant help it sometimes.

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 11:13 AM
I was just restating some ideas, I didn't say you done it again.

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:16 AM
I havent done so in a while, oh my god! It was a mistake, and I told you why I did it, I cant help it sometimes.

I was popular at my private school in Sydney cause I was positive and happy, and yeah I made mistakes and the teachers would laugh it off and get on with it. I was part of the Honours Society in The Scots College. My last name is Carter, I used to be mocked for the NZ All Black Dan Carter.

Did you guys go to School in Romania? I understand that Australia has partner schools in Romania - Romanian Private Schools have some of the most extensive partnerships in Australia especially in Sydney and Perth where the most Romanian communities are, and mostly have wealthy parents who go to top private schools across Australia

I was just restating some ideas, I didn't say you done it again.

Please all of you be happy and FORGIVE what I did, oh my god im getting worried now.

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 11:19 AM
School, highschool and university in Romania for me. One more year of Uni.:banana: And then comes the master...:doh:

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:20 AM
School, highschool and university in Romania for me. One more year of Uni.:banana: And then comes the master...:doh:

Congratulations Gangsta! Hey when you finish come to Australia and I will make you a fucking awesome Graduation party, bring some of your friends on this Forum they're all welcome

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Did you guys go to School in Romania?

:nuts: Rich, this is one of the questions we are talking about. This question is so, I do not know how to call it, naive and pointless that makes everybody cry with laughing. I mean, how can you ask us whether we went to school??? :nuts:

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 11:23 AM
I think you interpreted the quetion wrong. He asked if we followed a school in Romania or abroad.
In my case i followed all of them in Bucharest. I'll probably apply for a master's degree abroad in Netherlands, UK or Germany.

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:25 AM
:nuts: Rich, this is one of the questions we are talking about. This question is so, I do not know how to call it, naive and pointless that makes everybody cry with laughing. I mean, how can you ask us whether we went to school??? :nuts:

God is this some authortirian forum I just asked a question, what is wrong with it and dont call it naive or pointless, im allowed to ask questions, I said I ask lots of questions I dont give a shit what they are, I get really angry when people are so rude and put me down

Theres a saying:

"No question is a dumb question"

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:26 AM
I think you interpreted the quetion wrong. He asked if we followed a school in Romania or abroad.
In my case i followed all of them in Bucharest. I'll probably apply for a master's degree abroad in Netherlands, UK or Germany.

What is your degree in? What are you going to do when you finish?

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 11:28 AM
God is this some authortirian forum I just asked a question, what is wrong with it and dont call it naive or pointless, im allowed to ask questions, I said I ask lots of questions I dont give a shit what they are, I get really angry when people are so rude and put me down

Theres a saying:

"No question is a dumb question"

OK, ok, calm down and don't get your tension up. ;)

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Rich, you pay for the plane tickets too?:naughty:

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 11:29 AM
@RichKid, don't take our posts as bashing you, cause we're not. We're trying to point the things with which you are wrong here. But you don't seem to understand the problems and you always find excuses for your actions. This is a bit amusing for us, especially since the excuses you find are a bit childish.

You wanted to amuse us those videos. The videos didn't do it, but you still achieved your goal. If you were the school's clown and you liked it, why do you get upset now when you make us laugh? We're not laughing in a bad way towards you, you're simply funny sometimes. :Cheers:


Edit: My degree is in Economical Informatics (i guess, better ask Cosmin, i think he knows better than me. We're at the same University at the same section Academy of Economic Studies -> Cybernetics section -> Economical informatics subsection).
About the future, i plan to become a programmer. Last year i worked a short period for a small programming company, but it wasn't exactly what i wanted. I'll give it another shot this autumn, different company though...

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:33 AM
@RichKid, don't take our posts as bashing you, cause we're not. We're trying to point the things with which you are wrong here. But you don't seem to understand the problems and you always find excuses for your actions. This is a bit amusing for us, especially since the excuses you find are a bit childish.

You wanted to amuse us those videos. The videos didn't do it, but you still achieved your goal. If you were the school's clown and you liked it, why do you get upset now when you make us laugh? We're not laughing in a bad way towards you, you're simply funny sometimes. :Cheers:

Ok fair enough I wont make excuses anymore, I understand now, I will change for the better and be in the way that I am on the same ball game as you

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:36 AM
@RichKid, don't take our posts as bashing you, cause we're not. We're trying to point the things with which you are wrong here. But you don't seem to understand the problems and you always find excuses for your actions. This is a bit amusing for us, especially since the excuses you find are a bit childish.

You wanted to amuse us those videos. The videos didn't do it, but you still achieved your goal. If you were the school's clown and you liked it, why do you get upset now when you make us laugh? We're not laughing in a bad way towards you, you're simply funny sometimes. :Cheers:


Edit: My degree is in Economical Informatics (i guess, better ask Cosmin, i think he knows better than me. We're at the same University at the same section Academy of Economic Studies -> Cybernetics section -> Economical informatics subsection).
About the future, i plan to become a programmer. Last year i worked a short period for a small programming company, but it wasn't exactly what i wanted. I'll give it another shot this autumn, different company though...

Thats cool, do you know how to hack and shit? I dont know much about computers, that degree sounds flash. What is your name by the way? My name is Alex Carter. Thats cool that you know Cosmin through the same university, do you guys do sports together and social clubs and stuff?

EduardSA
September 12th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Why are all of you ganging up on this ozzie? Geesh! He didn't do anything wrong! Btw I read his last two questions on the Albanian forum and I didn't sense anything wrong with them. He was actually wondering about the situation in Albania. Remember he's from Australia, so how do you expect him to know something Albania? If you guys posted those questions on the South African forum (which we do get), no one would have treated you like how you treat Rich_Kid. And he's right about this forum. You guys have to lighten up and be open-minded! After how Rich_Kid praised Romania and Romanians, it's sick to see Romanian forumers all of a sudden gang up on him.

Asta e exact comportamentu care le-am intalnit cand am trait in Bucuresti si oameni auzeau ca am crescut in Africa. Romania o sa se schimba, dar cu atitudinea care o aveti, Europa tot o sa va priveasca cum va priveste acu. Ce penibil!

Fallen
September 12th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Thats cool, do you know how to hack and shit? I dont know much about computers, that degree sounds flash. What is your name by the way? My name is Alex Carter. Thats cool that you know Cosmin through the same university, do you guys do sports together and social clubs and stuff?

Actually you may find it funny, but i don't know Cosmin in person. We met in this forum, and after a while i found out that we are at the same subsection in our Uni. Differeny groups though... since his name starts with B and mine with I, and the groups are in alphabetical order...

And my name... Dan Ionescu ( + Alex, but noone calls me Alex)

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:46 AM
Actually you may find it funny, but i don't know Cosmin in person. We met in this forum, and after a while i found out that we are at the same subsection in our Uni. Differeny groups though... since his name starts with B and mine with I, and the groups are in alphabetical order...

And my name... Dan Ionescu ( + Alex, but noone calls me Alex)

Cool. What are your hobbies? Thats pretty cool that you found out that you are at the same university, sweet brother. How did you find out?

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Why are all of you ganging up on this ozzie? Geesh! He didn't do anything wrong! Btw I read his last two questions on the Albanian forum and I didn't sense anything wrong with them. He was actually wondering about the situation in Albania. Remember he's from Australia, so how do you expect him to know something Albania? If you guys posted those questions on the South African forum (which we do get), no one would have treated you like how you treat Rich_Kid. And he's right about this forum. You guys have to lighten up and be open-minded! After how Rich_Kid praised Romania and Romanians, it's sick to see Romanian forumers all of a sudden gang up on him.

Asta e exact comportamentu care le-am intalnit cand am trait in Bucuresti si oameni auzeau ca am crescut in Africa. Romania o sa se schimba, dar cu atitudinea care o aveti, Europa tot o sa va priveasca cum va priveste acu. Ce penibil!

Wow! thats so cool, were you born in Africa? What are you doing in Africa? Do you have a job? Or are you a student?

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 11:51 AM
Asta e exact comportamentu care le-am intalnit cand am trait in Bucuresti si oameni auzeau ca am crescut in Africa. Romania o sa se schimba, dar cu atitudinea care o aveti, Europa tot o sa va priveasca cum va priveste acu. Ce penibil!
I don't quite get what you're trying to say to be honest.:) What exactly are you talking about?!:? I don't know everything about every country in Europe, let alone in the world, but when I want to learn more I have more diplomatic ways to ask questions if you know what I mean.:crazy:

Fallen and Rich, why don't you use PMs?

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 11:53 AM
Why are all of you ganging up on this ozzie? Geesh! He didn't do anything wrong! Btw I read his last two questions on the Albanian forum and I didn't sense anything wrong with them. He was actually wondering about the situation in Albania. Remember he's from Australia, so how do you expect him to know something Albania? If you guys posted those questions on the South African forum (which we do get), no one would have treated you like how you treat Rich_Kid. And he's right about this forum. You guys have to lighten up and be open-minded! After how Rich_Kid praised Romania and Romanians, it's sick to see Romanian forumers all of a sudden gang up on him.

Asta e exact comportamentu care le-am intalnit cand am trait in Bucuresti si oameni auzeau ca am crescut in Africa. Romania o sa se schimba, dar cu atitudinea care o aveti, Europa tot o sa va priveasca cum va priveste acu. Ce penibil!


Eduard, we are just trying to keep this forum clean (no offtopic stuff) and without flood posts. We did enjoy Rich's praise of Romania, but that is not a reason to allow him to spam this forum with pointless and countless posts. As for the questions about Albania, they were indeed naive to say the least. How can one bash Albania and then ask whether Albania can be compared to Spain or the Netherlands? :nuts: Anyway, we are ok with Rich, as long as he's not offtopic and spamming around.

Eu nu inteleg despre ce vorbesti cand spui ca avem o atitudine anume. Noi incercam sa tinem un forum organizat cat de cat si serios. Asta nu inseamna ca avem o atitudine improprie si in niciun caz ca ne comportam "neoccidental". Dimpotriva, cred ca rigoarea si inteligenta pe care am putut sa o stabilim pe acest forum, si datorita membrilor lui care sunt mai mult decat ok, ne ajuta sa fim bine priviti de ceilalti membrii ai SSC. Faptul ca vine cate o persoana care deraiaza discutia si thread-urile cu tot felul de posturi neserioase alunga alti membrii interesati sa mai citeasca thread-urile distruse de posturi fara sens.

BTW: cred ca nu am avut o atitudine fata de tine ca cea pe care ai spus ca ai intalnit-o in Romania, asta si pentru ca esti foarte diferit de cel despre care vorbim acum. ;)

EduardSA
September 12th, 2008, 11:58 AM
I don't quite get what you're trying to say to be honest.:) What exactly are you talking about?!:? I don't know everything about every country in Europe, let alone in the world, but when I want to learn more I have more diplomatic ways to ask questions if you know what I mean.:crazy:

Ya I know. But some people aren't good at writing diplomatic questions and just ask how they feel like and what's going through their head at the time. We have to be understanding and treat that person with the respect he or she deserves. And I think Rich_Kid deserves that respect especially on his forum. I understand you guys too from where you come from, cuz after a long time I understand Romanian mentality and how Romanians treat and view things. But sometimes people from outside don't understand it and think something else (usually the opposite). Stiu ca ati glumit cu el si nu ati avut intentii rele, dat pentru el a aparut ca rautate. Cand traiam in bucuresti, oameni faceau glume neaspa si mi-a luat mult pana am realizat cand ne-au intentii rele. Next time find a different of telling him and other people what to post on this forum. That's all.

Ya I'm from South Africa, but I have Romanian origins :) Check my location, I live in Cape Town.

RichKid_01
September 12th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Ya I know. But some people aren't good at writing diplomatic questions and just ask how they feel like and what's going through their head at the time. We have to be understanding and treat that person with the respect he or she deserves. And I think Rich_Kid deserves that respect especially on his forum. I understand you guys too from where you come from, cuz after a long time I understand Romanian mentality and how Romanians treat and view things. But sometimes people from outside don't understand it and think something else (usually the opposite).

Ya I'm from South Africa, but I have Romanian origins :) Check my location, I live in Cape Town.

Thats cool, I want to go to South Africa soon. Btw I sent you an private message

EduardSA
September 12th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Bru, I just heard terrible news, so I think my family is goin to return to Romania soon.

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 12:20 PM
I hope it is not that bad as it sounds. :(

EduardSA
September 12th, 2008, 12:23 PM
Well we just heard a corrupt rapist had his criminal case struck off he role becuase of a stupid technicality and he's now free, even though everyone knows he is guilty. Oh btw did I forget to say HE'LL BECOME OUR PRESIDENT? From an economic power, South Africa will become an economic rut!

joce23
September 12th, 2008, 12:25 PM
Dupa 19 ani de la revolutie, aceiasi expirati vor sa ne mai conduca inca 4 ani :puke:

Stolojan, premierul oficial al PDL (http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/820446/Stolojan-premierul-oficial-al-PDL/)

Le Clerk
September 12th, 2008, 03:32 PM
:laugh:


The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2776841/Female-karate-champion-defeats-mugger.html)

Female karate champion defeats mugger

A mugger in Italy got more than he bargained for when the woman he tried to rob turned out to be a national karate champion.

Four times Italian women's champion Lara Liotta, 29, was on a street in broad daylight in central Rome when the man, a Romanian immigrant of no fixed abode, approached her and asked her for a cigarette.

When she told him she did not smoke he allegedly lunged for her and grabbed her around the neck.

Miss Liotta, who works as prison officer, immediately put her black belt training to good use, delivering two swift jabs to the man's face which sent him crashing to the ground.

nebunul
September 12th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Stiam ca e berbec da’ nici chiar asa … :lol:
http://www.ziua.net/news.php?data=2008-09-12&id=12655

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3610/kljd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Acest mascarici - Ministru al Transporturilor - ar trebui sa stie ca Malaezia are ~1500km de autostrada ... sa mai amintesc ca au trenuri de mare viteza, monorail, circuit de F1 ... si, apropos bai berbecule:lol:, conexiune super intre centru si aeroport etc etc etc ?!
Ignoranta=prostie fara nici o exagerare. Daca nu stii taci si te informeaza ...

niste poze vechi http://www.tropicalisland.de/malaysia.html

Dupa 19 ani de la revolutie, aceiasi expirati vor sa ne mai conduca inca 4 ani :puke:

Stolojan, premierul oficial al PDL (http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/820446/Stolojan-premierul-oficial-al-PDL/)


... au inceput sa ma enerveze si pe mine PD-Leeeeiiiiiii ... si compromisurile pe care le-au facut in ultima vreme ...
http://www.cotidianul.ro/fostului_meu_presedinte_traian_basescu-57803.html

Cosmin
September 12th, 2008, 07:04 PM
^^Bine macar ca n-a zis de Taiwan sau ceva.:D Nea Orban are nevoie de o sesiune de balalaica cred.:lol:

nebunul
September 12th, 2008, 08:14 PM
^^

PC crede ca acceleratorul LHC ar putea crea gauri negre marunte si cere sistarea experimentului (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-4279915-crede-acceleratorul-lhc-putea-crea-gauri-negre-marunte-cere-sistarea-experimentului.htm) :nuts::lol:

On Tuesday, Romania's Conservative Party announced that it would protest before the European Commission mission to Bucharest starting at noon today, calling that the experiment be halted. The comments resulted in mockery by Romanian media, which compared the "tiny black holes" with the small size of the Conservative Party. :lol::cheers:http://www.photonics.com/content/news/2008/September/9/93181.aspx

nebunul
September 12th, 2008, 08:59 PM
ma intreb cat o sa dureze pana se vor strange gunoaie si aurolaci sub statia de tramvai:nuts: iar municipalitatea n o sa dea doi bani pe intretinere.
sper sa ma insel si lucrurile sa se schimbe in bine, totusi...
Baietii si ... fetele :uh::crazy: sint in zona oricum …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfuY3C_1sVw&feature=related

Iar au mai cistigat securistii o batalie …
http://www.ziare.com/Cum_au_scapat_preotii_sutana_curata_-409488.html

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 12:05 AM
I hope it is not that bad as it sounds. :(

What do you mean?

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 12:05 AM
Bru, I just heard terrible news, so I think my family is goin to return to Romania soon.

Why are they returning?

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Well we just heard a corrupt rapist had his criminal case struck off he role becuase of a stupid technicality and he's now free, even though everyone knows he is guilty. Oh btw did I forget to say HE'LL BECOME OUR PRESIDENT? From an economic power, South Africa will become an economic rut!

Why did you go to South Africa when they knew it had the worlds highest crime rates, third world poverty etc? Hey what I have been reading on the Peace Index that Romania is in 24th position out of 140 countries in some cases it has actually improved from 2's to 1's. Its an extremely safe country. When its compared in EU terms its behind the Netherlands.

http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings.php

Fallen
September 13th, 2008, 01:05 AM
South africa is not a third world country. No way. It's richer than Romania, with much better infrastructure. Inform yourself before you post.

joce23
September 13th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Dupa 19 ani de la revolutie, aceiasi expirati vor sa ne mai conduca inca 4 ani :puke:

Stolojan, premierul oficial al PDL (http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/820446/Stolojan-premierul-oficial-al-PDL/)

Asta-mi pare o idee mai buna, daca nu chiar cea mai buna, tinand cont de ce avem acum :

PNL vede Alianţa D.A. prin ochii lui Răzvan Ungureanu (http://cotidianul.ro/pnl_vede_alianta_d_a_prin_ochii_lui_razvan_ungureanu-57945.html)

* eu sunt mai degraba sictirit sa vad la infinit aceleasi fete de 20 de ani (indiferent de culoare politica). Nu mai spun ca marea majoritate-s incompetenti, fosti securisti/nomenclaturisti, prosti, expirati etc. PNL si PDL ar tb sa inteleaga ca singure nu pot guverna cum trebuie, iar posibilele aliante cu PSD, PRM sau PC nu sunt deloc gustate de votantii liberali adevarati.

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 01:51 AM
South africa is not a third world country. No way. It's richer than Romania, with much better infrastructure. Inform yourself before you post.

No I have informed myself dickhead, I know what it means, maybe you need to fucking inform youself before you start typing shit, obviously you havent read up properly, I would look before you start critising me:

Heres the proof:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3629657.stm

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/casestudies/files/africa/southafrica-gov.asp

I have been to South Africa and its very third world, very poor but the most developed in Africa, but still displays third world characterstics.

Im sorry but stop being like a fucking idiot and wake up to the facts.

Matter of fact South Africa is still poor much much poorer than the EU

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=72&pr.y=11&sy=2006&ey=2013&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=199&s=NGDPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

It would take more than 50 years for South Africa to catch up with the West (EU, US, Australia, NZ). Im tired of your rudeness, you need to grow up.

My dad worked in South Africa as part of the EU Australia Partnership and he said that its very third world, dad knows south african friends who said its getting worse and getting poorer its a struggling third world country.

The reality is that the EU is the capitalist West alongside the US - Two of the worlds major world powers with trillion dollar economies over 10 and being the worlds two richest regions, Australia is also part of the West and NZ also part of the West, while Africa is the non capitalist east together with asia being the non capitalist oriental and Latin America being an emerging capitalist anti west while Russia is the non capitalist east which is part of the BRIC - the anti non western non capitalist group. The Pacific is the LDC's almost non functioning countries with highly unstable economies. Also NATO is also the West it is the Western alliance which the majority are part of the West - The EU and others like Canada, US, Australia, NZ

joce23
September 13th, 2008, 02:06 AM
South africa is not a third world country. No way. It's richer than Romania, with much better infrastructure. Inform yourself before you post.

De unde o scoti iara? :ohno::)

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2006&ey=2013&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=968%2C199&s=NGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=&pr1.x=93&pr1.y=13

South-Afrika, 2008
GDP/capita (nominal), 2008: $6,116.2
GDP/capita (PPP): $10,233.9

Romania, 2008
GDP/capita (nominal): $8,744.730
GDP/capita (PPP): $12,285.07

* E unul nu pot intelege complexul pe care il au unii fata de alte tari, mai ales atunci cand un astfel de complex nu are nici o justificare. Sunt destule lucruri la care nu stam deloc rau, dar vad ca multora le place sa vada doar partea goala a paharului. Vesticii spre deosebire, stiu sa-si hraneasca mereu mentalitatea de invingatori privind doar partea plina a paharului (si au si ei bube, fii linistit; nu e exista loc perfect sub soare). Mai repede vad strainii calitatile si potentialul nostru decat o fac unii dintre noi:


"Trebuie schimbate optica, ideile. Cu tot felul de improvizatii, tara asta nu se poate dezvolta. Stim ca Romania are o multime de resurse naturale si umane, oameni puternici. Daca aceste resurse ar fi bine utilizate, tara asta s-ar putea dezvolta ca SUA, Japonia sau Coreea." (Jae Bong Li, Daewoo Mangalia)



Multi romani nu inteleg ca succesul e in mainile lor, si nu trebuie cautat in alta parte. Avem aproape tot ce ne trebuie pentru a deveni o poveste de succes. Mai trebuie sa lucram la educatie, in rest eu cred ca suntem pe val, avem potential si-s foarte optimist. In 5-10 ani Romania va avea o alta fata. Sunt atatea exemple de tari in istorie care au reusit sa progreseze ff rapid (Japonia e exemplul meu preferat !). Nu vad de ce Romania n-ar reusi acelasi lucru.

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 02:13 AM
:ohno::)

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2006&ey=2013&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=968%2C199&s=NGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=&pr1.x=93&pr1.y=13

South-Afrika
GDP/capita (nominal), 2008: $6,116.2
GDP/capita (PPP): $10,233.9

Romania
GDP/capita (nominal), 2008: $8,744.730
GDP/capita (PPP): $12,285.07

Thats right and let me tell you something by 2013 Romania's per capita will be ahead of Polands and the richest in the Balkans and Eastern Europe. Romania is an EU Country. The EU being the West

Here's the facts:

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=90&pr.y=16&sy=2006&ey=2013&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=968&s=NGDPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

Look at South Africa's one in 2013 there is a huge difference.

EduardSA
September 13th, 2008, 02:42 AM
No I have informed myself dickhead, I know what it means, maybe you need to fucking inform youself before you start typing shit, obviously you havent read up properly, I would look before you start critising me:

Heres the proof:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3629657.stm

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/casestudies/files/africa/southafrica-gov.asp

I have been to South Africa and its very third world, very poor but the most developed in Africa, but still displays third world characterstics.

Im sorry but stop being like a fucking idiot and wake up to the facts.

Matter of fact South Africa is still poor much much poorer than the EU

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=72&pr.y=11&sy=2006&ey=2013&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=199&s=NGDPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

It would take more than 50 years for South Africa to catch up with the West (EU, US, Australia, NZ). Im tired of your rudeness, you need to grow up.

My dad worked in South Africa as part of the EU Australia Partnership and he said that its very third world, dad knows south african friends who said its getting worse and getting poorer its a struggling third world country.

The reality is that the EU is the capitalist West alongside the US - Two of the worlds major world powers with trillion dollar economies over 10 and being the worlds two richest regions, Australia is also part of the West and NZ also part of the West, while Africa is the non capitalist east together with asia being the non capitalist oriental and Latin America being an emerging capitalist anti west while Russia is the non capitalist east which is part of the BRIC - the anti non western non capitalist group. The Pacific is the LDC's almost non functioning countries with highly unstable economies. Also NATO is also the West it is the Western alliance which the majority are part of the West - The EU and others like Canada, US, Australia, NZ

Bru it wasn't always high crime rates and corruption. Actually South Africa isn't as bad as people say. For example I've never been mugged or anything. I know in cape town, it concentrated in an area called the cape flats. And it's certainly not third world, it's the only developed country in Africa (leading the continent in the Financial Development Index by the WEF). Obviously EU is richer than SA, but it doesn't mean we live in shit-hole.

South Africa is renowned of having two economies: the first economy (or a developed economy comparable to economic superpowers) and the second economy (or the third world economy, which mainly relates to the shanty towns and informal traders). South Africa's economy is based on its first economy, but becuase a third world economy exists, SA is classified as a developing nation rather than a developed. Thus when you come here, it pretty much like goin to any other European country. It's only in the shanty towns where things change and your father is correct. Btw when my family came here, the economy was booming (still has a larger GDP than Romania btw, although that will change very soon) and the standard of living was many times better than Romania and it still is! Back than Romania was the pits compared to SA. South Africa actually still surpasses Romania in many areas, including infrastructure and development. We have high-rises, good quality highways which sprawl everywhere, amazing technologies, high speed trains (u/c), world-class stadiums and airports (largest in Africa btw), world class cities (cape town regularly appears as the top tourist destination and johannesburg as a business and financial center),world renowned universities (UCT, Wits, etc), high standard ICT system, you want me to keep on going? Let me put it this way: how many Romanian companies are in South Africa? None. In Romania, I know there are quite a few SA companies, such as SABMiller, and also a South African expat community cuz Romania wants South africa's managerial and financial skills.

So Rich_Kid please don't create an image about my country which is not correct. I don't where you've been in South africa but it seems you went to the wrong part. It's like someone goin to ferentari and judging the whole of romania by that neighborhood :ohno:. It's seems weird how South Africans, some who have million dollar houses and bentleys, are suffering. Its bollocks! Only becuase we have shanty towns and our governing party is now being overrun by idiots, doesn't mean we are a third world backward country. If it was true what you are saying, than I don't think 70 thousands britons would have immigrated here last year because life is better here than in Britain. And we are still able to maintain such a world-class developed economy, even though we are faced with many challenges, such as crime, aids, and skills gap.

Btw Fallen, the only reason why SA's GDP/capita is smaller than Romania's is becuase SA population is 50 million compared to 21 million. And also cuz the government keeps screwing up and missing golden opportunity. Our economy should have averaged 6% since 2000, but we also have incompetents :ohno:. I certainly believe that if the people in the government weren't morons and were picked on merit rather than struggle history, SA could have become very powerful economic wise. And romania would have had a tough time to catch up even today, cuz we hav the gold, diamonds, coal, good infrastructure, and well educated skilled force.

I'm sorry but only becuase my country is in africa doesn't mean it's a third world country overrun by dictators and civil war. It's such a negative and ignorant view that western countries have cuz they can't accept the fact that an african country is actually developed. It's like some countries saying all Romanians are gypsies and thiefs only because the western EU countries can't accept the fact that there's an Eastern European country that isn't Slavic and that it is succeeding and will probably surpass them in the many years to come. It just pisses me off to hear people with such narrow minded opinions!

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 02:45 AM
Bru it wasn't always high crime rates and corruption. Actually South Africa isn't as bad as people say. For example I've never been mugged or anything. I know in cape town, it concentrated in an area called the cape flats. And it's certainly not third world, it's the only developed country in Africa (leading the continent in the Financial Development Index by the WEF). Obviously EU is richer than SA, but it doesn't mean we live in shit-hole.

South Africa is renowned of having two economies: the first economy (or a developed economy comparable to economic superpowers) and the second economy (or the third world economy, which mainly relates to the shanty towns and informal traders). South Africa's economy is based on its first economy, but becuase a third world economy exists, SA is classified as a developing nation rather than a developed. Thus when you come here, it pretty much like goin to any other European country. It's only in the shanty towns where things change and your father is correct. Btw when my family came here, the economy was booming (still has a larger GDP than Romania btw, although that will change very soon) and the standard of living was many times better than Romania and it still is! Back than Romania was the pits compared to SA. South Africa actually still surpasses Romania in many areas, including infrastructure and development. We have high-rises, good quality highways which sprawl everywhere, amazing technologies, high speed trains (u/c), world-class stadiums and airports (largest in Africa btw), world class cities (cape town regularly appears as the top tourist destination and johannesburg as a business and financial center),world renowned universities (UCT, Wits, etc), high standard ICT system, you want me to keep on going?

So Rich_Kid please don't create an image about my country which is not correct. Only becuase we have shanty towns and our governing party is now being overrun by idiots, doesn't mean we are a third world backward country. If it was true what you are saying, than I don't think 70 thousands britons would have immigrated here last year because life is better here than in Britain. And we are still able to maintain such a world-class developed economy, even though we are faced with many challenges, such as crime, aids, and skills gap.

Btw Fallen, the only reason why SA's GDP/capita is smaller than Romania's is becuase SA population is 50 million compared to 21 million. And also cuz the government keeps screwing up and missing golden opportunity. Our economy should have averaged 6% since 2000, but we also have incompetents :ohno:. I certainly believe that if the people in the government weren't morons and were picked on merit rather than struggle history, SA could have become very powerful economic wise. And romania would have had a tough time to catch up even today, cuz we hav the gold, diamonds, coal, good infrastructure, and well educated skilled force.

Im sorry. I like it how South Africans say bru. Thats funny. I find South Africans to be polite and intelligent people, and yeah South Africa has got great potential it deserves it to. It would be good if the EU gave Visa Free Access to South Africa then the EU would have Visa Free Access to South Africa. I dont think the EU is fair not allowing it Visa Free Access, theres nothing wrong with SA that it would be a threat its more like the rest of Africa being a threat but SA no.

EduardSA
September 13th, 2008, 02:54 AM
Im sorry. I like it how South Africans say bru. Thats funny. I find South Africans to be polite and intelligent people, and yeah South Africa has got great potential it deserves it to. It would be good if the EU gave Visa Free Access to South Africa then the EU would have Visa Free Access to South Africa. I dont think the EU is fair not allowing it Visa Free Access, theres nothing wrong with SA that it would be a threat its more like the rest of Africa being a threat but SA no.

Well from now on I'll say mate =)P Actually SA does have some visa free access with some European countries, such as Britain and Switzerland. That i know from personal experience.

Btw you would be surprised to know many ozzies moved to South Africans. I met one and he said its cuz Australia is boring and isolated. While South Africans in Ozzieland say its great! I think its hilarious!

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 02:59 AM
Well from now I'll say mate :)P Actually SA does have some visa free access with some European countries, such as Britain and Switzerland. That i know from personal experience.

Thats good, South Africa should get the EU though but not just 2. South Africa will beat Australia hands down by the end of this decade or something. I find South Africa to be go go its good, I like it how they are direct, and dont mess around, I have respect for South Africans, you seem to be bright and know what your saying, I have respect for you on this forum. I heard they have shopping malls that have theme parks in them, that is cool, I wish Australia had something like that. So why are your parents going back to Romania? Are you going back to the EU as well?

EduardSA
September 13th, 2008, 03:16 AM
Ya I agree SA should get more visa free access, oh well. I don't mind, I like looking in my passport to see the visas where I've travelled at :) Ya we do have shopping malls with amusement parks, in cape town its called century city (a huge residential, commercial, and entertainment development). Btw I likewise hav respect for ozzies and new zealanders. Whenever we meet each other overseas, we always group together and call ourselves souffies (slang for southerners) lol. Well my family's not too sure about going back to Romania. This guy Jacob Zuma had his corruption trial acquitted today and he might become our president, and we were so frustrated that we said that we'll move back to Romania. But once we thought about it, some positive stuff might come out of it, like the ANC losing support in the next elections. So we're goin to stay here until further notice. Life in SA is too good to abandon just yet...

Btw this is the photo gallery of my city, check it out :) :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=481714&page=16
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=583555

EduardSA
September 13th, 2008, 03:19 AM
Woops lets get off this topic. This thread is about Romanian-related stuff and it should be only in Romanian. Anyway good discussion :)

RichKid_01
September 13th, 2008, 03:23 AM
Woops lets get off this topic. This thread is about Romanian-related stuff and it should be only in Romanian. Anyway good discussion :)

Heres a picture of an Australian Passport on which I hold

http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/passports/images/ePassport-cover-large.jpeg

Cosmin
September 13th, 2008, 11:01 AM
No I have informed myself dickhead, I know what it means, maybe you need to fucking inform youself before you start typing shit, obviously you havent read up properly, I would look before you start critising me:
[...]
Im sorry but stop being like a fucking idiot and wake up to the facts.
If you keep behaving like that I guarantee you a ban. For this, being not your first breach of SSC rules and not the first time you're rude, you'll get a 1 point infraction. If you continue like that I'll brig you for 3 days. Learn to respect other forumers!

Fallen, SA may have better infrastructure, especially in the cities, than us, but economically they're somewhat lower than Romania.

EduardSA
September 13th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Fallen, SA may have better infrastructure, especially in the cities, than us, but economically they're somewhat lower than Romania.

Well we have a larger GDP and a much more robust and developed economy than Romania at the moment, but per capita SA is lower than Romania since we have a larger population. But the Romanian economy is booming so fast, it will pass SA in terms of GDP too.

Just checked wikipedia and it seems South Africa is ranked 25th on the GDP (PPP) rankings with $467 95 billion compared to Romania, where it is ranked 41st with $264.0 billion. But romania has a GDP (PPP) per capita of $12,285.07 (ranked 64th), while South Africa has a per capita of $10 600 (ranked 76th). All SA needs to do is lower its population, oh wait we already have crime and Aids doing that. Woohoo, watch out romania! lol just joking.

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 01:10 PM
NU ma lasa sa descarc :nuts::bash: ... care aveti chef si timp daca este ceva interesant
http://www.ump-reabilitare.ro/Achizitie-publica-lucrari-de-refacere--reamenajare-si-refunctionalizare-la-Biblioteca-Nationala-a-Romaniei-16/pagina-0

pescarush
September 13th, 2008, 01:16 PM
am inceput eu sa descarc. sunt tare curios cum va arata biblioteca!:nuts:

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 01:19 PM
^^:cheers:
BTW cica asta-i varianta finala
http://www.romanialibera.ro/a116731/biblioteca-nationala-varianta-finala.html

Cosmin
September 13th, 2008, 01:27 PM
E ok si asa, numai sa o termine o data!

pescarush
September 13th, 2008, 01:54 PM
^^:cheers:
BTW cica asta-i varianta finala
http://www.romanialibera.ro/a116731/biblioteca-nationala-varianta-finala.html

yep, that s the one! it s the whole project in that link!:cheers:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5240/25415999kd8.jpg

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 02:08 PM
^^ so, quite a bit of glass cladding?! I mean, all white in the above drawing is glass?

pescarush
September 13th, 2008, 02:24 PM
yes, all is glass with brisse-soleils profiles.
what were u expecting from old fashionable architects like E.B. Popescu?!
at least hope the glass will be top quality with low reflection.

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 02:40 PM
^^ :lol: the glass will be top notch ... but they'll fuck up ZA frame :nuts::lol: ... I've seen it done before :nuts::bash:

Cosmin
September 13th, 2008, 04:28 PM
^^Sa speram ca nu o dau in bara. Speram la mai mult dupa atatia ani, dar cum am zis, macar sa o termine odata.:)

Btw, I have a dream...:D:nuts:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3362/hartabc5.png
Am reluat lucrul la harta ca am "lenevit" prea mult.:bash:

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 04:32 PM
^^ fuckin'ell when will it see it completed?! 2050?!:nuts: Nice work BTW :cheers: Dou you have "existing" layer so we can compare both?!

Cosmin
September 13th, 2008, 04:43 PM
I do. This is how it should look in October, after they open the M3 extension (finally, after 19 years:bash:).
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2143/hartaprezenttb9.png

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 04:56 PM
^^ Thank you! :cheers: Long way to go Bucharest ... but not imposible :)

Klausenburg
September 13th, 2008, 05:13 PM
I just missed the discussion about SA...Anyway, EduardSA, it is said that your mayor, Hellen Zille brought may improvents in Kaapstadt. Can you compare a little bit the improvements there with the ones in Bucharest? Why is she considered such a good mayor?

tomis3
September 13th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Btw Fallen, the only reason why SA's GDP/capita is smaller than Romania's is becuase SA population is 50 million compared to 21 million.



Try again...SA GDP/capital is smaller because it produces less per capita.

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 05:36 PM
In fairness to EduardSA and SA working class ... he'd say that they've got millions of lazy fuckers :lol: ... ~25% unemployment (official :nuts:)

Klausenburg
September 13th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Try again...SA GDP/capital is smaller because it produces less per capita.

Well, a white SA produces ~GDP/Capita as a western european. Just that most of the blacks are less educated then whites and cannot produce the same GDP/Capita...Anyway, this is changing...

tomis3
September 13th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Well, a white SA produces ~GDP/Capita as a western european. Just that most of the blacks are less educated then whites and cannot produce the same GDP/Capita...Anyway, this is changing...

I didn't know we were comparing just white SA...sorry.

Klausenburg
September 13th, 2008, 06:01 PM
I didn't know we were comparing just white SA...sorry.

Well SA had apartheid...and blacks were not allowed to be more then just a cheap unqualified workforce for whites. So, basically, the great corporations,
the infrastructure, the engineers, researchers, lawyers, doctors, etc are overwellmingly white, owned by whites, or built by whites...Is not like in Romania were everyoane has the same posibilities...

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 06:20 PM
:nuts: rafuieli si contre ... asta e mandatul lui Oprescu si prefectu' liberal. Good luck Bucuresti :nuts:
http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/820580/Baza-Spartac-din-IOR-aparata-de-prefect/

Cosmin
September 13th, 2008, 06:24 PM
^^Cretini.:ohno:

Palmierii din centrul Capitalei au început să dispară (http://www.realitatea.net/video_470166_palmierii-din-centrul-capitalei-au-inceput-sa-dispara_346751.html)
:rofl::bash:

nebunul
September 13th, 2008, 06:27 PM
^^ pai sa-i faca dosar penal nesimtitului ... ca doar au nr de inmatriculare si sint convins ca sint si camere in intersectie ... si sa-l dea si pe post sa-l vada toti prietenii si colegii ... :nuts:

Le Clerk
September 13th, 2008, 06:30 PM
^^Cretini.:ohno:

Palmierii din centrul Capitalei au început să dispară (http://www.realitatea.net/video_470166_palmierii-din-centrul-capitalei-au-inceput-sa-dispara_346751.html)
:rofl::bash:

Nu mai Cosmin, i-au strans niste oameni de bine sa-i puna la caldura ca doar a venit frigul. :ohno::bash:

Cosmin
September 13th, 2008, 06:30 PM
^^Right, how foolish of me. Sorry.:(

Klausenburg
September 13th, 2008, 06:32 PM
:rofl:LOL

tomis3
September 13th, 2008, 06:35 PM
Well SA had apartheid...and blacks were not allowed to be more then just a cheap unqualified workforce for whites. So, basically, the great corporations,
the infrastructure, the engineers, researchers, lawyers, doctors, etc are overwellmingly white, owned by whites, or built by whites...Is not like in Romania were everyoane has the same posibilities...

So what you are saying is that when you create an artificial environment in which all the productive assets of a country are owned by a tiny group, then that group is likely to have a pretty high gdp/capita....interesting.

pescarush
September 13th, 2008, 06:35 PM
Nu mai Cosmin, i-au strans niste oameni de bine sa-i puna la caldura ca doar a venit frigul. :ohno::bash:

eu as duce palmierul inapoi in tarile calde, ca in filmul 'Amelie' cand piticul se plimba peste tot in lume, si as face fotografii cu el fericit ca a ajuns acasa:lol:

Klausenburg
September 13th, 2008, 07:17 PM
http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/820479/Bivolii-din-Tara-Lapusului-pe-cale-de-disparitie/#

Ne modernizam, dar parca unele lucruri ar trebui sa ramana mereu la fel...Am rude acolo, de aceea mi-a atras atentia articolul...

EduardSA
September 14th, 2008, 12:31 AM
I didn't know we were comparing just white SA...sorry.

What? There isn't such a thing as a white SA anymore. There are millions of educated middle and upper class blacks. I have blacks friends who are richer than me, who paid $10000 pa for private school fees, and live in multi-million dollar houses. And, believe it or not, there are many whites who live in poverty and live in shanty towns. So white SA v black SA doesn't exist anymore and just signifies something that has come and gone.

The main reason why we have a smaller GDP per capita is becuase our population is smaller, just imagine what would happen if we halved our population. But tomis3 does have a point that there's a large segment of our population who don't produce anything, resulting in a huge gap between the middle class and lower class. This segment unsurprisingly supports the SA communist party and would rather live on state grants and protest than educate themselves and achieve something. It's these lower class uneducated communists which are slowing us down. It's very sad. Fortunately, the rest of the population works very hard and are very productive, which is why everyone wants to invest in South Africa and do business here. Also why other countries want South Africans to work in their countries (including Romania). I have a great advantage if I want to apply to work outside SA becuase of our reputation :cheers:

Klausenberg, create a thread relating to SA-Romania cuz this thread is supposed to romanian-related stuff in romana :) I'll then explain to the entire situation :)

nebunul
September 14th, 2008, 12:50 AM
The main reason why we have a smaller GDP per capita
^^^^^^
because there's a large segment of our population who don't produce anything, resulting in a huge gap between the middle class and lower class. This segment unsurprisingly supports the SA communist party and would rather live on state grants and protest than educate themselves and achieve something. It's these lower class uneducated communists which are slowing us down.


just imagine what would happen if we halved our population.
^^ :) to have a real effect, you would need to half it with those that do not "produce anything" :nuts: ... but then :nuts: this can be applied to any country :cheers:

RichKid_01
September 14th, 2008, 06:43 AM
Why does Windows have lots of viruses? Why is it awfully backwards? Why is Microsofts second language Romanian? Do you think a Romanian in the next 10 years could take the CEO job?

Le Clerk
September 14th, 2008, 08:28 AM
:lol: :doh: :rofl:
A ajuns virusu' si'n Banie :)

Ramane ca si in Iasi si in Cluj sa se planteze palmieri, in Iasi eventual in fata Palatului Culturii, iar in Cluj in fata statuii lui Avram Iancu (si apoi vopsiti in rosu, galben si albastru pentru "blend in"):naughty:

Ca sa vedeti ce primari limitati putem avea. Nu as zice ca sunt cu mult mai destepti decat maimutele, de vreme ce se imita unii pe altii atat de mult. BTW: Mazare se pare ca devine un model din ce in ce mai cautat. :lol:

Cosmin
September 14th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Pana nu vad palmieri in Intorsura Buzaului eu nu-s multumit!:lol:

skySK
September 14th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Nu cumva sa vedem palmieri si in Brasov...:nuts: Si imaginez deja Piata Sfatului si Republicii, la doi brazi cate un palmier...:lol:

RichKid_01
September 14th, 2008, 12:07 PM
Do you know anybody whose in the EU Army or NATO and works in Afghanistan? My dads going to AF soon. My brother who is in the Australian Army he's a senior Army Officers going to Afghanistan next year or so, im really nervous and quite worried about that, he's going to AF for 4 years!:ohno: What do you think of Afghanistan? Please answer my questions im keen to know.

Family
My family are not all Australians some are Americans, Italians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Dutch thats my extended family though my parents are Australian born, I can have an EU Passport like Italian or British.

Are you guys Dual Citizens at all?

Cosmin
September 14th, 2008, 12:44 PM
Nu cumva sa vedem palmieri si in Brasov...:nuts: Si imaginez deja Piata Sfatului si Republicii, la doi brazi cate un palmier...:lol:
Some palms near Biserica Neagra would look kickass!:rock: NOT!:bash:

nebunul
September 14th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Do you know anybody whose in the EU Army or NATO and works in Afghanistan? My dads going to AF soon. My brother who is in the Australian Army he's a senior Army Officers going to Afghanistan next year or so, im really nervous and quite worried about that, he's going to AF for 4 years!:ohno: What do you think of Afghanistan? Please answer my questions im keen to know.

Family
My family are not all Australians some are Americans, Italians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Dutch thats my extended family though my parents are Australian born, I can have an EU Passport like Italian or British.

Are you guys Dual Citizens at all?

Afghanistan in more dangerous than Iraq now ... I do not know much more than http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK288&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=afghanistan+war+wikipedia&spell=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

nebunul
September 14th, 2008, 02:47 PM
bucharest-unirii webcam http://www.tourist-informator.info/ro/webcam/?webcam=bucuresti

cineva din Brasov va rog sa-mi spuneti ca ma insel ... si nu vad roz
http://www.tourist-informator.info/ro/webcam/?webcam=brasov
edit: era de la camera ... huhhhhh m-am speriat :nuts:

Cosmin
September 14th, 2008, 06:19 PM
^^Credeai ca au vopsit cladirile in roz?!:crazy:

Well guys, I finally managed to find some time (and patience) and upload around 170 pictures from Paris out of over 600 that I took. You can find them here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=25322816#post25322816).:cheers:

nebunul
September 15th, 2008, 12:55 PM
^^ se vedea roz :ohno::bash:

http://www.zf.ro/proprietati/nu-sunt-impotriva-cladirilor-inalte-3182824
Gheorghe Patrascu, noul arhitect-sef al Capitalei, spune ca Bucurestiul trebuie sa se dezvolte si pe verticala, astfel de proiecte fiind benefice pentru Capitala daca sunt situate in zone periferice sau pe malul Dambovitei.

"Nu sunt impotriva cladirilor inalte, pentru ca orasul trebuie sa se dezvolte si pe verticala, insa nu in centrul istoric si in zonele in care reglementarile urbanistice nu prevad astfel de constructii. Spre exemplu, o cladire cu un regim scazut de inaltime, dar foarte lata, blocheaza mai mult traficul decat un imobil inalt, care are prevazute suficiente locuri de parcare. Un exemplu in acest sens este orasul Frankfurt, care are foarte multe cladiri inalte insa traficul nu a fost afectat", afirma Patrascu. El l-a inlocuit pe Adrian Bold, contestat pentru ca a sprijinit dezvoltarea unor cladiri inalte in zone considerate nepotrivite.

Patrascu considera ca interesul investitorilor imobiliari a condus la dezvoltarea urbana a orasului in ultimii ani, avand in vedere ca sunt putine orase in Europa care se pot lauda cu o atractivitate atat de ridicata in randul dezvoltatorilor de profil, insa ritmul haotic de constructie trebuie oprit.

"Presiunea imobiliara este un avantaj pentru dezvoltarea orasului, insa trebuie sa existe reglementari clare, astfel incat dezvoltatorul sa stie exact ce poate sa construiasca dupa ce cumpara terenul", explica Patrascu. El a ocupat anterior functia de director general al Directiei Generale de Dezvoltare Teritoriala din cadrul Ministerului Dezvoltarii, Lucrarilor Publice si Locuintelor si a fost numit de primarul Sorin Oprescu pentru sase luni in functia de arhitect-sef al Capitalei, printr-un transfer de la minister. Dupa aceasta perioada va fi organizat un concurs la care Patrascu nu s-a decis inca daca va participa.

Le Clerk
September 15th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Ar fi o ideea buna ca orasul sa se dezvolte pe verticala de-a lungul Dambovitei, insa ma indoiesc ca insfrastrutura de transport actuala permite lucrul asta. :ohno:

RichKid_01
September 15th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Ar fi o ideea buna ca orasul sa se dezvolte pe verticala de-a lungul Dambovitei, insa ma indoiesc ca insfrastrutura de transport actuala permite lucrul asta. :ohno:

What are you talking about? :)

Netspy01
September 15th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Ar fi o ideea buna ca orasul sa se dezvolte pe verticala de-a lungul Dambovitei, insa ma indoiesc ca insfrastrutura de transport actuala permite lucrul asta. :ohno:

It would be a good idea for Bucharest to STOP expanding.
It is the worst positioned European capital by FAR because:

-it's located in a plain which has a shitty climate (the summers are very hot and the winters cold)
-it's too close to the border

Bucharest in the summer is a NIGHTMARE
The hottest place in Europe
+
the largest density of people in Europe and pollution makes this city the most dangerous for you health.


+ the bulgarian garbage people are building a nuclear power plant right next to the CAPITAL city of Romania and the STUPID Romanian diplomats don't have any problem with it.

COTNARI
September 15th, 2008, 01:42 PM
It would be a good idea for Bucharest to STOP expanding.
It is the worst positioned European capital by FAR because:

-it's located in a plain which has a shitty climate (the summers are very hot and the winters cold)
-it's too close to the border

Bucharest in the summer is a NIGHTMARE
The hottest place in Europe
+
the largest density of people in Europe and pollution makes this city the most dangerous for you health.


+ the bulgarian garbage people are building a nuclear power plant right next to the CAPITAL city of Romania and the STUPID Romanian diplomats don't have any problem with it.

you clearly haven't spend a summer time in a big south europe city!

nebunul
September 15th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Ar fi o ideea buna ca orasul sa se dezvolte pe verticala de-a lungul Dambovitei, insa ma indoiesc ca insfrastrutura de transport actuala permite lucrul asta. :ohno:

... se refera cred la Regie/Cringasi ... si apoi la Vacaresti-> Popesti Leordeni -> Glina etc ...

Cosmin
September 15th, 2008, 01:46 PM
+ the bulgarian garbage people are building a nuclear power plant right next to the CAPITAL city of Romania and the STUPID Romanian diplomats don't have any problem with it.
Sorry?:crazy:

RODINVEST
September 15th, 2008, 02:02 PM
Baieti de azi America a belit-o. SI eu sunt mare pro american. De fac nu meaparat mare proamerican cat rusofob.

In caz ca nu ati inteles Lehman are 613 billion of debt, Are datorii cat 5 piburi ale romaniei. Chit ca are si active si alte chestii dar sar putea ca sa mai traga inca o banca sau doua dupa ea.

Le Clerk
September 15th, 2008, 02:08 PM
+ the bulgarian garbage people

You are fucked. :D

nebunul
September 15th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Baieti de azi America a belit-o. SI eu sunt mare pro american. De fac nu meaparat mare proamerican cat rusofob.

In caz ca nu ati inteles Lehman are 613 billion of debt, Are datorii cat 5 piburi ale romaniei. Chit ca are si active si alte chestii dar sar putea ca sa mai traga inca o banca sau doua dupa ea.

firma privata = cu zero ... stirile bune au venit saptamina trecuta
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7602992.stm

Le Clerk
September 15th, 2008, 02:56 PM
What are you talking about? :)

I am talking about the vertical development of the capital along the river Dambovita, a proposal which has been set forth by the new general architect of the city, and I was saying the idea is not bad, yet the infrastructure cannot cope with the traffic anymore.

RODINVEST
September 15th, 2008, 03:23 PM
firma privata = cu zero ... stirile bune au venit saptamina trecuta
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7602992.stm

Firma privata dar cu multe implicatii. Sar putea sa mai vedem un faliment mare.

nebunul
September 15th, 2008, 04:47 PM
http://www.max-boegl.de/boeglnet/web/show.jsp?nodeId=1656&lang=en
http://www.max-boegl.de/boeglnet/web/binary.jsp?nodeId=1000&binaryId=49473666&disposition=inline

Cosmin
September 15th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Mandatory viewing!:rant:
London at night from above (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=25311822#post25311822)
(cu dedicatie pentru nebunul:nuts:)

RichKid_01
September 16th, 2008, 03:40 AM
I am talking about the vertical development of the capital along the river Dambovita, a proposal which has been set forth by the new general architect of the city, and I was saying the idea is not bad, yet the infrastructure cannot cope with the traffic anymore.

I like yours and Cosmins reality in life, you balance the good and the bad, even though I take life always on the positive side and not negative, I enjoy the realistic thinking that you have it gets me interested in these topics:cheers:

nebunul
September 16th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Mandatory viewing!:rant:
London at night from above (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=25311822#post25311822)
(cu dedicatie pentru nebunul:nuts:)

:cheers: London amazes me every day :cheers:
BTW hello form Banksy's London :)
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2121/banksybb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Must see www.banksy.co.uk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy

nebunul
September 16th, 2008, 02:23 PM
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1640196&start=0&tstart=0

:lol: am vrut sa o postez la Projects and Constructions ...
M2JygC_exD0

skySK
September 17th, 2008, 12:41 AM
Brasov: Incendierea masinilor continua::ohno::bash:
Astfel, numai in ultima luna, 10 masini au fost distruse de flacari, in majoritate in cartierul Astra. Politistii au indicii ca este vorba despre unul sau mai multi piromani, intensificand cercetarile pentru prinderea acestora.
http://transilvaniaexpres.ro/index.php?mod=articol&id_articol=97204

CONTRADICTII. IN TIMP CE UNELE UNITATI DE INVATAMANT SUNT IN SANTIER, COLEGIUL NATIONAL "RADU NEGRU" DIN FAGARAS ARE STANDARDE DE LUX
In timp ce multe unitati de invatamant si-au primit elevii printre schele si muncitori, in judet exista si exceptii. Cel mai bine dotat liceu brasovean nu se afla, insa, in municipiul resedinta de judet, ci la... Fagaras. Este vorba de Colegiul National "Radu Negru", care pe 15 septembrie i-a intampinat pe elevi cu dotari de ultima ora. Reparatiile au fost facute cu bani de la Ministerul Educatiei, dar dotarile ultramoderne au fost realizate din surse proprii, sponsorizari si bani de la bugetul local al Fagarasului. Toate clasele Colegiului "Radu Negru" au fost prevazute cu mobilier nou, care permite mutarea rapida pentru cazul in care se doreste lucru pe grupe. Fiecare laborator, in colegiu existand peste 20 de astfel de locatii de diferite specialitati, este dotat cu "table inteligente", respectiv cu plasme pe care profesorii, ce dispun cu totii de conectare la internet pe calculatoarele de la catedra, pot sa faca prezentari multimedia. Dascalii pot sa si scrie pe aceste table, folosind stilouri speciale pentru placi electronice. In cele doua laboratoare de informatica troneaza calculatoare de ultima generatie, dar pe viitor in unitatea de invatamant vor exista patru astfel de clase speciale. In laboratorul de franceza s-a adoptat o formula de design cu totul originala, astfel incat elevii sa nu fie deranjati de prezenta calculatoarelor pe banci. Astfel, mobilierul a fost gandit ca sa incorporeze monitoarele, ecranele fiind vizibile prin mesele de studiu. Laboratoarele de limbi straine sunt dotate cu sisteme audio de mare acuratete, cu casti, care permit fiecarui elev sa studieze separat diferite teme, fara a-i deranja pe ceilalti. Conversatiile pot fi inregistrate, iar la finele lectiilor liceenii primesc DVD-uri cu ceea ce s-a discutat la ora, pentru a putea sa repete mai usor pronuntia acasa.
Colegiul dispune si de o sala speciala unde se pot rezolva texte grila, fiecare pupitru fiind prevazut cu un set de butoane pe care elevii apasa in functie de raspunsul pe care il selecteaza, iar profesorul inregistreaza pe calculatorul de la catedra rezultatul final.
http://transilvaniaexpres.ro/images/080916-203217.jpg
http://transilvaniaexpres.ro/index.php?mod=articol&id_articol=97128

RichKid_01
September 17th, 2008, 01:19 AM
Brasov: Incendierea masinilor continua::ohno::bash:


CONTRADICTII. IN TIMP CE UNELE UNITATI DE INVATAMANT SUNT IN SANTIER, COLEGIUL NATIONAL "RADU NEGRU" DIN FAGARAS ARE STANDARDE DE LUX

This is very modern education in Romania, its great progress. God when I went to NZ they never had anything like that and believe me I have lived there most of my life :ohno::ohno::ohno:, New Zealands educations system is backwards in my opinion it could never compete with the EU/US/UK

nebunul
September 17th, 2008, 02:48 PM
http://www.capital.ro/articol/ruta-bucuresti-constanta-parcursa-intr-o-singura-ora-112375.html

tomis3
September 17th, 2008, 03:33 PM
http://www.capital.ro/articol/ruta-bucuresti-constanta-parcursa-intr-o-singura-ora-112375.html

Bravo Capital....am zarit in colt un video intitulat "Top 5 cele mai mediatizate nunţi"....si mustaciosul ala din video e un pic maetit sau doar mi se pare?

nebunul
September 17th, 2008, 04:53 PM
Buna treaba :cheers: ... dar sa impui in ce zi si la ce ora e aberant ...

http://www.ziare.com/Bucurestenii__amendati_daca_nu_isi_spala_trotuarul_din_fata_casei-414548.html

tomis3
September 17th, 2008, 05:33 PM
The Zhirinovsky Scuffle..


qvw_pEzmA08

Cosmin
September 17th, 2008, 10:19 PM
Buna treaba :cheers: ... dar sa impui in ce zi si la ce ora e aberant ...

http://www.ziare.com/Bucurestenii__amendati_daca_nu_isi_spala_trotuarul_din_fata_casei-414548.html
Ba (Oprescule), da' nu mai bine incepe primaria (prin firmele de salubrizare) sa se ocupe serios de curatenia orasului? E cel mai simplu asa, cand esti incompetent, sa dai vina pe altii sau sa transferi atributiile tale asupra lor. Nu mai bine pune PMB osul si creierul la treaba ca sa avem mai putin praf in orasul asta (exista solutii, unele cu efect imediat, altele cu efect peste 5-10-20 de ani)?

Asta nu inseamna ca nu-s de acord ca oamenii trebuie sa tina curat in fata casei sau ca nu trebuie amendati atunci cand chiar sar calul si e cocina in fata casei/blocului lor, dar sa te preocupe asta mai mult decat felia ta (practic enorma) de curatat mi se pare cretinism.

In afara de vecina mea *curse word* care lasa cainele sa-ti faca zilnic nevoile pe trotuarul din fata casei (inclusiv pe cel din fata casei in care stau) e curat oricum. Si culmea, tot eu primesc avertismente de la politia comunitara ca s-au primit reclamatii ca e mizerie de la cainele meu pe trotuar, caine care saracul a stat toata viata in curte (deh... piticii lu' tata:bash:), dar asta-i alta poveste...

Ma gandesc la cei care stau pe Bdul Unirii, unde sunt zilnic zeci de masini parcate pe pamant (in noroi, cand ploua). Ei ce fac?

Faza cu ziua si ora nici n-o mai comentez.:puke:

skySK
September 18th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Buna treaba :cheers: ... dar sa impui in ce zi si la ce ora e aberant ...

http://www.ziare.com/Bucurestenii__amendati_daca_nu_isi_spala_trotuarul_din_fata_casei-414548.html

Dar trotuarul nu e cumva domeniu public? Si daca e de ce nu spala primaria?

nebunul
September 18th, 2008, 09:57 AM
Dar trotuarul nu e cumva domeniu public? Si daca e de ce nu spala primaria?

Eu sint anti-oprescu 101% (vorbe goale fara substanta; cind o sa vad un proiect facut de la A la Z atunci mai vorbim despre el) ... dar daca se impune mentinerea unui minim de curatenie (nu spalarea si parfumarea trotuarelor - asta-i aberatie :nuts:) cred ca ar fi un lucru bun ... lucruri care se intimpla deja in RO ... am vazut multe vinzatoare maturind in fata magazinelor, femeile de serviciu in fata scarii blocurilor etc etc . Da' sint unii care stau cu muntele de gunoi linga ei; si asta nu-i acceptabil IMO

Le Clerk
September 18th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Dar trotuarul nu e cumva domeniu public? Si daca e de ce nu spala primaria?

Bineinteles ca trotuarul este parte a domeniului public (adica este in proprietatea municipalitatii) si municipalitatea are obligatia de a-l administra. Genul acesta de obligatii este putin pe langa lege, dar probabil ca nimeni nu va ataca o astfel de dispozitie a primarului in instanta, asa cum de altfel o astfel de dispozitie nu va functiona in practica. Fiti siguri ca este data in scop populist/electoral si tocmai de aia nu se va pune in practica. Veti vedea.

PS: Mai ramane sa ne oblige sa ne si asfaltam trotuarul din fata casei/blocului.:bash:

Cosmin
September 18th, 2008, 10:07 AM
^^Becali ar fi bucuros daca ar trebui sa asfalteze. Oricum facuse o treaba buna dupa care a venit primaria si a stricat-o.:lol:

Asemenea dispozitii au mai fost date de cel putin doua ori, apropo.

Le Clerk
September 18th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Asemenea dispozitii au mai fost date de cel putin doua ori, apropo.

^^ Si din cate stiu, nu a functionat, nu-i asa? Imi aduca mainte ca a mai fost data o dispozitie in legatura cu curatarea drumului de zapada. Nu-mi aduc aminte sa fi auzit ca a fost sanctionat cineva sau ca s-au facut controale pentru verificarea modului in care a fost curatat trotuarul de locatari. LOL

Cosmin
September 18th, 2008, 10:12 AM
Exact! Nici eu n-am auzit ca s-ar fi dat sanctiuni. Si la faza cu zapada, tot asa, de vreo doua ori au zis ca tre' sa dam zapada din fata casei/blocului. Un mare fas.

Apropo de zapada, punem pariu ca si anul asta ii ia prin surprindere?:bash:

RichKid_01
September 18th, 2008, 11:38 AM
I lived in Cluj, Sibiu and sometimes in Bucharest if cause mum and dad went and had meetings there a lot. And when I went there in the 1990s it was a mess, messy, dark, there were shops selling nothing a lot of shit going on, it was bad. But when I went back to Romania - Cluj, Sibiu and Bucharest everything had changed so much it was remarkable, Cluj had development after development, those office park after one after the other, I saw houses being built everywhere. Sibiu had completely changed so much, they had modern cafe, bars, pubs etc it was clean the tiles were changed into a neat order it was maintained carefully. Bucharest had changed hugely but not as great as Sibiu or Cluj, but it was constantly changing before my eyes it was remarkable. Bucharest needs to be more spaced out it needs to have better infrastructure in some parts. I would rate Cluj and Sibiu far better than Bucharest, however that could change in the future not that Bucharest could be better than Cluj and Sibiu im just saying that Bucharest could be as good as Cluj and Sibiu, it will happen soon, its a matter of patience and hard work.

nebunul
September 18th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Interesting and pleasing remarks :cheers: When did you go/come back? I mean, If I'm not too inquisitive, when did you come first time and when did you return?
IMO Bucharest can not be compared with Cluj or Sibiu because of its size mainly. If we take North Bucharest alone is twice bigger than any of the two and at least as nice :cheers: And in smaller cities it is easier to see the actual changes - trust me on this one as I used to hate Bucharest and I also come from a small town (100k) that has also transformed a lot in the last 5 years ... in big cities it is harder to SEE the changes :cheers:
Just imagine that Bucharest has spent over 400 mil Euro for 1000 new Mercedes Citaro and 40 new Bombardier trains … not to mention other investments …

Le Clerk
September 18th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Bucharest is much more eclectic and difficult to understand than any other Romanian city. It has bad parts and good parts, and it's mainly for those who like metropols. IMO, Bucharest is the only cosmopolitan city and only metropolis in Romania. The difficulties for Bucharest to change rapidly lie in the destruction and transformation that communism caused. Yet, I would always choose Bucharest over any other Romanian city for its unmatchable cosmopolitan opportunities, at least as long as I am not over 60 years old. ;)

RichKid_01
September 18th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Interesting and pleasing remarks :cheers: When did you go/come back? I mean, If I'm not too inquisitive, when did you come first time and when did you return?
IMO Bucharest can not be compared with Cluj or Sibiu because of its size mainly. If we take North Bucharest alone is twice bigger than any of the two and at least as nice :cheers: And in smaller cities it is easier to see the actual changes - trust me on this one as I used to hate Bucharest and I also come from a small town (100k) that has also transformed a lot in the last 5 years ... in big cities it is harder to SEE the changes :cheers:
Just imagine that Bucharest has spent over 400 mil Euro for 1000 new Mercedes Citaro and 40 new Bombardier trains … not to mention other investments …

Thats fine I like anybodies questions I came to Cluj, Sibiu and Bucharest 6 months ago. I came the first time to Romania in 1999 I came there because my parents had work there, restructuring a Banking organisation that is now one of the most successful e.g. Banca Agricola. I returned to Australia in 2002 and then I lived in Romania again further and recently went back to Australia last year, I have lived in Australia and Romania most of my life. It is very good that Bucharest is investing and changing itself wow! 400 million Euros on those 1000 new Mercedes Citaro and 40 new Bombardier Trains and other investments that is fantastic. I am looking forward to seeing more housing developments being completed in the next 2-5 years its going to be very good. Boy when I went to Bucharest it was so bad, mostly everything about it was sad and terrible. Now look where it is its so good now, its changing for the better although there are still ways to go it is on the right track. Its fantastic!:banana:

Cosmin
September 18th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Banca Agricola is now Raiffeisen Bank. Interesting story.:cheers:

nebunul
September 18th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Hey Rich you can spot some of those Citaros :cheers:

Live http://82.76.75.160:59764/cgi-bin/guestimage.html
^^ Love this autumn light :cheers: ... oooooooooooo sa traiasca dom' doctor ... s-au pus floricelelele galbenelelele ... palmieri ceva?! :nuts::lol:

Cosmin
September 18th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Sper sa nu mai extinda treaba cu palmierii, ca deja e suficient.:puke:

nebunul
September 18th, 2008, 05:39 PM
http://www1.pmb.ro/pmb/primar/raport_in_strada_2008/PDF/bilant_%20infrastructura.pdf
http://www1.pmb.ro/pmb/primar/raport_in_strada_2008/PDF/bilant_cultura.pdf
http://www1.pmb.ro/pmb/primar/raport_in_strada_2008/PDF/bilant_spatii_verzi.pdf

video http://www.pmb.ro/ click primarul/istoric primari

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6886/amaey4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

luci203
September 18th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Real Estate da' Dambovitza

AiSWoVmGMnc

lol. :lol: