^^ hahahahaha...that's it...no more laughs...mess yeah big mess in delhi and we got benefitted from that...like some really nice infrastructure....I still don't understand your's obsession with delhi comparison...all the best...

And if ya still doubt it..see the budget Mumbai still get enough funds to make your dream a reality...but they don't

^^I did not see any wrong in what he said. Even though Delhi got some good infrastructure "India" and to some extent "Delhi" paid a lot more than what it would have cost. Being a financial capital Mumbai has been neglected (Partly mismanaged) and deserves a lot more for its stature as a financial capital of this country. Here I dont mean Delhi shouldnt get any coz its the capital and deserves its share but the problem is ignoring Mumbai. And YES i agree its time for center to turn some attention towards Mumbai.

^^I did not see any wrong in what he said. Even though Delhi got some good infrastructure "India" and to some extent "Delhi" paid a lot more than what it would have cost. Being a financial capital Mumbai has been neglected (Partly mismanaged) and deserves a lot more for its stature as a financial capital of this country. Here I dont mean Delhi shouldnt get any coz its the capital and deserves its share but the problem is ignoring Mumbai. And YES i agree its time for center to turn some attention towards Mumbai.

Sir, That's what I am saying..However MUMBAI has got sufficient FUNDS to get developed..from Central GOVT..they have not been NEGLECTED...!!!!!

the only problem with Mumbai is ..it's leader....they bloody eat up EVERYTHING directed towards Mumbai...read yesterday's newspaper....A land scam by Mumbai elites and POLITICIANS....which costed them ALOT....Mumbai Development Authority was involved in it....

Soo what's the role of Delhi or Central Govt in it....

If you try to develop anything in Mumbai....Either Shiv Sena or MNS strikes or Amar ji's party fight over the share etc etc...No Elite and Politician in mumbai is working together to make Mumbai a heaven...If Mumbai politics are playing so bad....how can you BLAME GoI for this..????

In Delhi, Shiela Dixit is special to us....She gets the projects approved and done by Hook or by Crook...She works for delhi....

Check the Budget Mumbai and Delhi gets almost same budget to improve their Infra....

It's no Delhi or Mumbai...it's just the way few people are taking Mumbai for granted...you may start delhi mumbai fight...however that remains the fact...


I see people here and all over Mumbai crying yaar delhi ko itna mil gaya....arre yaar think about developing your city instead of crying on somebody's else success....Dilli gaya bhaad mein yaar...

the only problem with Mumbai is ..it's leader....they bloody eat up EVERYTHING directed towards Mumbai...read yesterday's newspaper....A land scam by Mumbai elites and POLITICIANS....which costed them ALOT....Mumbai Development Authority was involved in it....

Soo what's the role of Delhi or Central Govt in it....

it was a land scam by the armed forces, which are based in dilli. it involved the top brass of the army and navy

Sir, That's what I am saying..However MUMBAI has got sufficient FUNDS to get developed..from Central GOVT..they have not been NEGLECTED...!!!!!


Check the Budget Mumbai and Delhi gets almost same budget to improve their Infra....

sir, thats not true...dun misguide on forum by writing ur minds without source!!!
delhi hs its own govt...the funds given by urban dev ministry are the approx. same to both cities...but arent the same frm other sources...that is centre's allocation to states...

i think u hv a congenital prob with mumbai..its evident frm ur posts..none of the mumbaikars hv ne prob with delhi's development....

sir, thats not true...dun misguide on forum by writing ur minds without source!!!
delhi hs its own govt...the funds given by urban dev ministry are the approx. same to both cities...but arent the same frm other sources...that is centre's allocation to states...

i think u hv a congenital prob with mumbai..its evident frm ur posts..none of the mumbaikars hv ne prob with delhi's development....

Dude, keep this bullshit with you...I have no issues with Mumbai.....stop ranting ......Are you sure you mumbaikar's don't have any issues with Delhi development...????? scroll back on this page a bit....

@ Bombay Boy....

Sir, With all due respect...read the articles again...Mumbai / Maha politicians are involved heavily in the scam along with the army people...!!!! I just though you might want to go through the scandal report once again....thanks...


and as always...I someone from Delhi says a reality about your city you start to shout...something may never change...so lets see...


You people just wont understand how your very own POLITICIANS are EATING up your city's future and present...and Instead of that you guys will just go on and blame Delhi and GoI for everything...all the best with that...

Top Maha & Mumbai politicians involved are
1. A Kundan:- Collector of MUMBAI and Joint Secretary (Planning)
2. PV DeshMukh:Ex-Deputy Secretary
3. Kanishka Pathak: Son of former BMC Commissioner J.Pathak
4. Seema Vyas: FDA Commissioner
5. Rajesh Kumar Das: VP, MAHARASHTRA State Road Development Corporation
6. Ranjit Sangitrao: Son of Transport Secretary
7. Devyani KHOBRAGADE: Daughter of Former BEST GM
8. JM Abhyankar
9. Onkar Tiwari: Son of State Info Commissioner.


yaar BB I atleast expect some sensible answer or reply from you....Don't you really think that its INSIDERS who are eating up everything ....This blame game will not take Mumbai anywhere yaar....Why is it always this ki tu Dilliwalla hai isliye tujhe Mumbai se issue hai....that's bullshit yaar...

its defence land that was usurped by defence personnel and then flats were also sold to other bureaucrats and ministers, both central and state. it would not have originated without the defence initiating it

there are loads of land scams in bombay (and i am sure in other cities) initiated by local politicians. but this was a poor example to pick

also after the cwg mentioning a small land scam in bombay as a pointer to the city being more corrupt than say delhi is laughable. ask most indians which is the most corrupt city in india and you will be pretty disappointed

Yeah Yeah....Corrupted city..I think it might just you who'll be more disappointed I believe...anyways we are happy with any tag especially when we are advancing day by day...in infra as well dude...may be other city should also try corruption if it can change their infra and face.....or may be ...blah blah blah

blah blah blah should sum it up...

Honestly, I think a big reason why Mumbai's infrastructure is so pathetic is because there are multiple agencies fighting over development.

For example:

Trans-Harbor Link- MSRDC/MMRDA
Railway- Western Railway/MMRDA/ MVRC
NMIA- CIDCO/MOEF/Aviation Ministry

A lot of funds get wasted in delays and corruption in Mumbai because of all these agencies!

Master of Disguise,

Re: your older post where you say it's not Dilli or Bombay issue; I agree.

The question I pose is this:

How did English speaking, English writing and the Internet blogging set like ourselves; the participatory types; develop a ghetto Hinglish mentality ?

I mean the historical advantage of English and modern comm. tech. like this thread may as well make us collectively savvier and collaboratively closer to the Global English world of New York, Singapore, Dubai, Toronto or good old London. And the urban city scapes thereof.

Why do we behave like slumdog, ghetto-$hit, a$$ - chewing mc-bc's. I like the moniker 'IndiansUnite' ... the need of the hr., let's start here.

Why? I fear we have gone to the dogs collectively; so any good has to come out of singular, individual endeavour. And ... hehe ... just you try; a million mc-bc's will jump down your throat immediately.

Mumbai skyscraper in the next 10 yrs.. (most probably 6yrs. as most of them are underconstruction)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4185/skyscraper.jpg


METRO TRAINS RUNNING (HOPEFULLY :D)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9181/metroyl.th.jpg

we will hopefully have a hovercrafts...

That's frankfurt

That's frankfurt

Its a model... of what mumbai might look like... Im not a time traveller you know... :)

Re: niknak's post above ...

The big boys sitting in Delhi are no dummies.

When Delhi runs out of patience with Bombay's perverted neta-goonda nexus, then? Or, it's 'filmy'.
Hyderabad, Goa, Assam, Kashmir and other's failed trying, it took some drastic surgical action, and quite some time; often a generation or more of healing for recovery. Hyderabad, Goa, Assam, Punjab... and others are coming around. Even Bangladesh has seen the diya of light.

Sorry, that's in-excusable. Poor mumbaiyyas, coming from the city of gold, can't put roots down anywhere, ever.

^^ What???

Nothing much has changed in Bombay. The condition of the roads are worsening. While they claim to make pothole free roads, they make the roads uneven. Patchworks don't work. We need big companies to undertake road development. Giving these jobs to small contractors is just a waste of public money. Concrete blocks are a failure yet they continue to use it. Small time contractors quote prices 20-30% less than what the actual cost would be, do shoddy work and get away with it. Reputed firms cannot compete with them on price. While we have big skyscrapers coming up throughout the city, the situation on the ground is horrible. There are no garbage bins on the roads. Where are people supposed to throw their waste?

I think most of the blame should go to the voters. BMC election is a popularity contest. The party to rile up the masses for inane reasons like migration and shivaji statues win the elections.

No court stay on Mumbai's road audit by Swiss company

MUMBAI: In a development that may help break the hold a group of contractors has over road works in the city, the Bombay high court on Tuesday refused to stay the quality audit of Rs 900-crore road projects by a Switzerland-based firm. It also observed that it might not be necessary to call for tenders to appoint an auditor.

A division bench of Justice Sharad Bobade and Justice R D Dhanuka said any stay on the work being carried out by Geneva-based SGS Consultancy at this stage "might frustrate the very intention of the civic body of simultaneous audit of road works, and would operate against public interest. It might result in (the) stoppage of road works".


The court's order paves the way for the BMC to issue a formal work order to SGS, which had started auditing road repairs in October 2011.

The state and the BMC's efforts to deal with contractors also got a boost. The high court considered the argument that if the work of quality audit was awarded through tenders to the lowest bidder, there was a possibility that the process might be jeopardized by the contractors, who could set up bidders to give reports in their favour.

"We are prima facie of the view that appointment of an auditor does not involve execution of a work or supply of materials and, therefore, it might not be necessary for the commissioner to invite tenders (for allotting work to a quality auditor)," said the judges. However, as their view was at odds with a 2006 HC order that ruled that audit work of city roads should be done only through a tender process, the judges referred the issue to a larger bench.

Senior advocates Iqbal Chagla and E Bharucha, appearing for SGS and the BMC, respectively, insisted that the corporation had the power to choose a world-class contractor to supervise and assess city roads.

"The road contractors quote prices that are 20-30% less, which is why reputable firms do not participate in the tender process," said advocate Chagla. "Though the BMC has been conducting audit of road works since 2005, the situation has not changed. This necessitated the appointment of a world-class quality auditor like SGS," added the advocate. SGS also submitted before the court a report of what it had found-contractors laying roads that were 50% thinner than the approved norms, shoddy materials and use of concrete mix that did not meet approval.

The petition filed by former NCP corporator Niyaz Vanu had challenged the BMC's decision to appoint SGS without calling for tenders.

Senior advocate S Aney, counsel for the petitioner, said SGS was to be paid over Rs 4 crore for the work, which could have been done by 16 other audit firms in the city at a lower cost.

SGS and BMC lawyers argued that the 2006 judgment did not apply in the case of handing over the audit work to a firm, as the nature of the task was supervisory, involved forming an opinion and could be given only to a firm that had the trust and confidence of the corporation.

They also contended that as per the BMC Act only those contracts which involved execution of a work or supply of materials should be through a tender process. The tender rule does not apply to appointments of a fiduciary nature such as that of an auditor, advocate or a chartered accountant.


The court agreed and referred the issue of whether it was necessary to call for tenders for appointing a quality auditor for roads to a larger bench. The petitioner's application for an interim stay on the audit work was also rejected by the court. The HC pointed out that Vanu had approached the court after a considerable delay - four months after SGS had started the work, where the whole tenure of the contract was only for eight months.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-22/mumbai/31086790_1_tender-process-audit-firms-road-works

Thats old news. Isn't it? We are yet to find out if BMC would still hire the local contractors who make poor quality roads.

Thats old news. Isn't it? We are yet to find out if BMC would still hire the local contractors who make poor quality roads.

Mumbai is Shiv Sena's life line. This is the only place they can make money. As long as they are in power we can forget about development.

Mumbai is Shiv Sena's life line. This is the only place they can make money. As long as they are in power we can forget about development.

I disagree

Mumbai is Shiv Sena's life line. This is the only place they can make money. As long as they are in power we can forget about development.

^^^^^^^^

Your post is contradictory, foot in the mouth type.

Progress is naturally, and specially in India ... fast-fast.
Politicians make money and patronage by foisting mega projects on their public. Ever hear of 'pork barrel politics' ? That's where politicos like their cut, the larger, the more wastefull the project, the better commissions :) .

In Bombay and India, demand outrips supply sooo much, there is so much pent up demand that no matter how far the netas drown out generations to come in public debt, the the average guy on the st. will get it from all sides. Voter gets what he voted for, so 3'rd class #%&*£##%%.

The mass hijack and sabotage of basic democracy in Bombay means 'goonda raj', average guy will suffer shoddy, often murderous infra. The average Bombay common man is better off in Dubai infra. wise.

I disagree

:old:

I disagree

How can you say that? Shiv Sena were in power for more than a decade. Mumbai should have been a World Class city, but do they have World class roads atleast? They should have mobilized all the resources to update Mumbai regardless of the difficulties because of its importance of Mumbai in India.

^^ What???

^^^^^^

What what, the 'Kendra' uses Bombay re: infra. institutions, banks, FDI channelling etc.;
Kendra will not let Bombay slip away like others. No Hyderabad, Punjab, Assam Goa style deterioration when the 'forces' had to be unleashed to normalise affairs. Know what I mean, bete ... read between the lines ;) .

How can you say that? Shiv Sena were in power for more than a decade. Mumbai should have been a World Class city, but do they have World class roads atleast? They should have mobilized all the resources to update Mumbai regardless of the difficulties because of its importance of Mumbai in India.


Remember when vilasrao was demolishing slums and Sonia asked to stop the demolition, as its their votebank. Trust me BJP+SS are much better compared to cong +NCP when its comes to development. remember 50+ flyovers between 1995 and 2000 were constructed by SS+BJP. They may not be as good as we expect, I certainly want them to control slums atleast in the tourist places.

How can you say that? Shiv Sena were in power for more than a decade. Mumbai should have been a World Class city, but do they have World class roads atleast? They should have mobilized all the resources to update Mumbai regardless of the difficulties because of its importance of Mumbai in India.


no city in India has world class roads and infrastructure....some planned cities like chandigarh come close..

Mumbai has too many problems like slums etc which can never be solved by any political party in next 2 decades at least...

Mumbai is getting better...it is India...not china...things take a lot of time..

Even MPE was done by Sena and Mumbai is ruled by too many people that is the major problem

no city in India has world class roads and infrastructure....some planned cities like chandigarh come close..

Mumbai has too many problems like slums etc which can never be solved by any political party in next 2 decades at least...

Mumbai is getting better...it is India...not china...things take a lot of time..

I know none of the Indian cities have world class roads, that is why I said at least Mumbai being the most important financial city should have them and they require them.

I am not saying Cong+NCP is better, I'm just saying BJP+SS are bad at cleaning up the city efficiently. One thing is certain, they are both bad at maintaining development, you can't just say "pick the better political party", with a mentality like that no wonder things aren't moving fast.

As I said, we tend to give credit where NO credit is due ;) .

Do we remember and celebrate the chief engg.'s, project managers and contractors of our projects?
And whick neta is directly responsible for any given one single particular public project. Accountable from start! These criminals only show up for ribbon cutting and photo op.'s.

Politics and development is often independent issues, some can sabotage things somewhat. The Mega funding and engg. game behind the scenes is not to be under estimated. Netas are in cahoots. And net as are dispensable.

I know none of the Indian cities have world class roads, that is why I said at least Mumbai being the most important financial city should have them and they require them.

I am not saying Cong+NCP is better, I'm just saying BJP+SS are bad at cleaning up the city efficiently. One thing is certain, they are both bad at maintaining development, you can't just say "pick the better political party", with a mentality like that no wonder things aren't moving fast.

I would suggest to visit Mumbai Cityscape thread, CG posted some pic of streets there.

I know none of the Indian cities have world class roads, that is why I said at least Mumbai being the most important financial city should have them and they require them.

I am not saying Cong+NCP is better, I'm just saying BJP+SS are bad at cleaning up the city efficiently. One thing is certain, they are both bad at maintaining development, you can't just say "pick the better political party", with a mentality like that no wonder things aren't moving fast.

The BMC does not have the money to do much.


Maybe all of you need to look at how much money is raised and how much it works out to per person. Regardless of political party we need extra funds. You can generate things out of thin air.



the NCP-Cong controll Mira Road Bhayandar, Sena-BJP Thane, just see the difference in the roads between the two. Thane is miles ahead.

I would suggest to visit Mumbai Cityscape thread, CG posted some pic of streets there.

Do you know what world-class roads look like? So yeah, I was talking about WORLD CLASS ROADS and they have lane markings and less of the imprints.

But I guess atleast they are getting better, what can we expect from our political parties? right?

The BMC does not have the money to do much.

Maybe all of you need to look at how much money is raised and how much it works out to per person. Regardless of political party we need extra funds. You can generate things out of thin air.

the NCP-Cong controll Mira Road Bhayandar, Sena-BJP Thane, just see the difference in the roads between the two. Thane is miles ahead.

But why are there so many articles about BMC not using a significant amount from their budget. I am sure it is because of their inefficiency in carrying forward all of the scheduled projects in time. I was not under the impression of looking at which political party make better roads but rather roads that look nice and clean.

Majority of the road problems can be solved by street sweeper trucks where the problem is the lack of water. First, Mumbai should get 24/7 water supply before buying the street sweeper trucks. And we need to appoint contractors who don't bribe the authorities to make cheap roads.

EDIT: I have to say the Bandra-Worli sea link road is amazing. If only they clean the roads every once in a while. Mumbai will look different.

just find out what the total bmc budget is and divide by people

do that for me,


thats all i am saying, by my reckoning it comes to 4.4 billion USD for a city of 14 million. Works out to $314 per person. The question people of mumbai need to be asking is what can i get for $314.


tehnically our army too has plenty in spare. But that does not mean we are all equipped.


When i comes to roads for eg building new infra is muddled between MMDRA and BMC.


BWSL was built by MSRTC. So there is an overlap of roles and definitions as well. Many agencies.


Now if it was upto me i would basically merge Mumbai metropolitan region into one big body and give all the infra needs to the municipal body.


the water for eg to mumbai is brought from places outside mumbai. So state government is also involved.



Dune i appreciate your enthusiasm. But till revenues pick up a lot for the BMC i cant see them doing too much.


You need to step back from all this preaching. People have debated over this for years. The sena has its core in Mumbai MMR. The NCP-Congress have their core in western rural maharashtra. While Nagpur/Viderbha is the BJP core.


Money always flows to the core. Mumbai saw the most rapid growth in infra when the sena ran mumbai as well as the state. Also coincided with a BJP government at centre.


BWSL first concrete steps took place in 1995-1999, Mumbai pune expressway began construction there and in total 52 flyovers were built during that period which remains a record. I do believe raj thakarey at that time was leading the charge on infra within the ranks of the sena.


So in a jist

Sena-BJP = good for urban infra when i power at state

NCP-Congress= better record in agriculture.

Yeah, yeah, it all makes sense and I share the same idea.

And I know people already know these problems. I was not trying to reiterate them.

It started when this guy posted an article regarding contractors for building roads. I was just saying, instead of paying the local contractors for the roads Mumbai gets, I'm sure you can pay the same money or a bit more to get quality roads by appointing well reputed companied domestic or international firms in joint venture so that the domestic firms get more knowledge. The Swiss Audit firm's review reflects this as they find out newly laid poor quality roads. What do you think about this? Is it not true the local contractors exploit the situation. What I wanted to know is why do Sena-BJP continue favoring the local contractors? Is it because of regulations, etc.

tendering process issues

for that india needs to open up its FDI divisions.


technically even BWSL you needed to have a state agency as a partner.




The solution for that lay at the centre and not in mumbai.



You need to make FDI in infra 100% and not with an indian partner.

Mumbai has ordered Chinese coaches for mumbai metro unlike Delhi or Bangalore which run on Bombardier coaches which are high on quality. Navi mumbai and bangalore has Volvo coaches but Mumbai orders Chinese buses off which 80% are under repair within 3 years. Amazing where this city is going.

Now this looks more like it.

BMC to put in more checks for contractors
Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/BMC-to-put-in-more-checks-for-contractors/articleshow/12511259.cms)

MUMBAI: Taking cognizance of the BMC chief accountant's (finance) internal note highlighting the nexus between corporators and civil works contractors, the civic body has decided to come up with a new set of vigilance measures in the next one month.

The municipal commissioner has given the nod to float fresh tenders to appoint a new set of contractors, against the wish of the present set of contractors. The fresh vigilance measures, accessed by TOI, will be incorporated in the work order which will be issued to civil contractors who will carry out ward-level petty civic work.

TOI has learnt that the assistant municipal commissioners (AMCs) and the deputy municipal commissioners (DMCs) of all zones will monitor the petty civil work.

"We cannot appoint individual agencies for small works. The contractors will have to carry out the petty work within the new vigilance framework. Essential services will be catered by petty civic contractors. This would include planned as well as unforeseen works," said Manisha Mhaiskar, additional municipal commissioner.

The additional municipal commissioner, in consultation with the chief vigilance officer, will come up with a "new regime of vigilance measures" in the next four weeks. "The new set of vigilance measures will address the issues highlighted in the note. The vigilance measures will be ready by the time the work order is issued," said Mhaiskar.

TOI has got access to some of the measures that are likely to be incorporated in the work order. Till date, in the name of emergency work, contractors would carry out all sorts of work at the ward level. To put an end to this, each department like hydraulics, storm water drain, roads etc will come up with a set of "identifiable works" which will act as a guideline for the contractors. "The contractors should stick to the list of identifiable works. Previously, they would end up doing all sorts of work. This way, the civic body will also save some money," said a senior BMC official.

The civic administration is also likely to press for bills to be submitted within 15 days of completion of work rather than filing it at the end of the fiscal year. Rather than depending on contractors for all works, the BMC will first insist on utilizing ward resources before handing over the work to the contractors. "We should utilize our resources before giving the work to the contractors. They just end up giving inflated bills," added the senior civic official.

THE ISSUE: The note mentioned that corporators abetted malpractices carried out by contractors for ward level civil works. Asked for a policy decision to discontinue issuing civil works contracts for minor works at the ward level for the next two years, citing that large scale corruption was taking place.

RECOMMENDATIONS:

Bills are to be submitted within 15 days of completion of work

Contractors will only carry out "identified works" drawn up by each department

AMC and DMC will monitor the work

Road work should not be handled by the civil work contractors

Looks like my complaint is actually being worked out by the BMC.

Remember when vilasrao was demolishing slums and Sonia asked to stop the demolition, as its their votebank. Trust me BJP+SS are much better compared to cong +NCP when its comes to development. remember 50+ flyovers between 1995 and 2000 were constructed by SS+BJP. They may not be as good as we expect, I certainly want them to control slums atleast in the tourist places.

Yes the Shiv Sena- BJP coalition did a good job during their term but all the credit should go to Nitin Gadkari (PWD minister at that point). But now Mumbai is Shiv Sena's life line. This is the only place they can pillage money and fund their party. All the state roads are in comparatively better conditions. It is only the roads under BMC that are in dire straits.

just find out what the total bmc budget is and divide by people

do that for me,


thats all i am saying, by my reckoning it comes to 4.4 billion USD for a city of 14 million. Works out to $314 per person. The question people of mumbai need to be asking is what can i get for $314.


tehnically our army too has plenty in spare. But that does not mean we are all equipped.


When i comes to roads for eg building new infra is muddled between MMDRA and BMC.


BWSL was built by MSRTC. So there is an overlap of roles and definitions as well. Many agencies.


Now if it was upto me i would basically merge Mumbai metropolitan region into one big body and give all the infra needs to the municipal body.


the water for eg to mumbai is brought from places outside mumbai. So state government is also involved.



Dune i appreciate your enthusiasm. But till revenues pick up a lot for the BMC i cant see them doing too much.


You need to step back from all this preaching. People have debated over this for years. The sena has its core in Mumbai MMR. The NCP-Congress have their core in western rural maharashtra. While Nagpur/Viderbha is the BJP core.


Money always flows to the core. Mumbai saw the most rapid growth in infra when the sena ran mumbai as well as the state. Also coincided with a BJP government at centre.


BWSL first concrete steps took place in 1995-1999, Mumbai pune expressway began construction there and in total 52 flyovers were built during that period which remains a record. I do believe raj thakarey at that time was leading the charge on infra within the ranks of the sena.


So in a jist

Sena-BJP = good for urban infra when i power at state

NCP-Congress= better record in agriculture.

Shiv Sena has looted the city over the past 10 years. List me the things they have accomplished in the past 10 years. Compare it with MMRDA, MSRDC etc.
Why do they still use concrete blocks even though it is a failed technology?

Not only roads, the pay and park contracts are a bigger scam. Motorist have to pay 3-4 times more money than the rates set by the BMC. It is rampant everywhere in SoBo, yet the BMC claims that they do not have any complains. Try parking your car at Crawford market. The prevailing rates at Rs.50 for one hour. The rate set by BMC is Rs.11. You can only imagine the amount of money they must be making on a daily basis.

And where are the garbage bins in the city? Oh yaa they are stolen...GET PLASTIC!!!!

The list can go on and on.

Shiv Sena has looted the city over the past 10 years.

O/T: The Sh*t (stirring) Sena now has a new face in the form of a new wannabe gunda, Aditya Thackeray. I can't get over how the "oh I'm so maharashtrian, it's all about our language, culture blah blah" Thackerays, gave their little offspring a full-on Bombay Scottish education wherein the latter chose German, as his second language? Whatever happened to the "amazing" marathi medium schools he could've got an ecucation in? He is a disgrace to the institution.

This is the kind of hypocricy on the part of the SS that shocks everyday, non-communal, peace-loving Bombayites.

Shiv Sena has looted the city over the past 10 years. List me the things they have accomplished in the past 10 years. Compare it with MMRDA, MSRDC etc.
Why do they still use concrete blocks even though it is a failed technology?

Not only roads, the pay and park contracts are a bigger scam. Motorist have to pay 3-4 times more money than the rates set by the BMC. It is rampant everywhere in SoBo, yet the BMC claims that they do not have any complains. Try parking your car at Crawford market. The prevailing rates at Rs.50 for one hour. The rate set by BMC is Rs.11. You can only imagine the amount of money they must be making on a daily basis.

And where are the garbage bins in the city? Oh yaa they are stolen...GET PLASTIC!!!!

The list can go on and on.



Parking is an issue in every city. Be happy there is no congestion charge like cities like London.


You cant blame the bmc is there is a basic crunch of parking spaces. Its a basic issue of demand and supply which cannot be solved.

If i was the BMC i would certainly introduce way more levels of congestion charge.


PS the sena have ruled the bmc for more than 16 years now....


As i said before its the role of the MMDRA to build infra and not the BMC.


MMDRA has state control..... and looking at the way Mumbai metro seems to be proceeding I am guessing the MMDRA have been worse than the BMC.
Thats despite having a good flow of money through BKC.


I would personally take the sena-bjp combine any day of the week than the "seculars" looking at the state of delays in major infra projects by the ruling combine of NCP-Congress. Forget Mumbai look at the state of Pune Metro where the NCP-Congress rule municipal and state. Its not even under construction. Its expected to start building in 2013. Thats like how many years of delays? Nearly 8 from what i know.


A wise man once told me, being a name tag "secular" does not get you results.....

Yes the Shiv Sena- BJP coalition did a good job during their term but all the credit should go to Nitin Gadkari (PWD minister at that point). But now Mumbai is Shiv Sena's life line. This is the only place they can pillage money and fund their party. All the state roads are in comparatively better conditions. It is only the roads under BMC that are in dire straits.

What dire conditions. Compare it with Pune and then you will know. Infact all of Mumbai's major/semi major roads are concrete. Just see the delay's in BWSL built by MSRTC (under NCP) or any project done by MMRDA. I am not siding SS or BJP but generally they are better than the UPA when it comes to infra.
Another eg, Bangaluru, Pune both had the metro proposed around same time and you know the status.

What dire conditions. Compare it with Pune and then you will know. Infact all of Mumbai's major/semi major roads are concrete. Just see the delay's in BWSL built by MSRTC (under NCP) or any project done by MMRDA. I am not siding SS or BJP but generally they are better than the UPA when it comes to infra.
Another eg, Bangaluru, Pune both had the metro proposed around same time and you know the status.

the BSWL was locked and blocked at every stage due to litigations and court hearings. The sea-link was made by a private firm contractor (HCC in this case). What needs to be looked into is the condition, aesthetics and finishing of the sea link. It is top notch. Proper lane marking and signs. Also look at the Eastern and Western highways. The Eastern expressway is a breeze. The Eastern freeway will finish is a couple of years. Monorail will also see the light of day very soon. Can you imagine BMC taking over these jobs. They can't even build proper roads.

Even Pune metro has so many litigations. Many people, including several in this forum think that BRTS should be giving a try before Metro. I feel Pune roads are much better than Mumbai.

Parking is an issue in every city. Be happy there is no congestion charge like cities like London.

I am not talking about the lack of parking. I am talking about turning a blind eye to all the corrupt Pay and park contractors.

You cant blame the bmc is there is a basic crunch of parking spaces. Its a basic issue of demand and supply which cannot be solved.

Yes I can blame BMC for the parking congestion. How many multi-level parkings do we have in the city? None...

If i was the BMC i would certainly introduce way more levels of congestion charge.


I don't have a problem with that. Let them increase the prices. Atleast the money will go to BMC instead of the contractor and the babu's.


PS the sena have ruled the bmc for more than 16 years now....

Out of which they ruled the state for 5 years. Once they were kicked out Mumbai has become their source of income.


As i said before its the role of the MMDRA to build infra and not the BMC.

MMDRA has state control..... and looking at the way Mumbai metro seems to be proceeding I am guessing the MMDRA have been worse than the BMC.
Thats despite having a good flow of money through BKC.

MMRDA does build infra around the city. The road that fall under them are in better conditions that the interior roads that fall under BMC. I fail to see how you can defence Shiv Sena's horrible governance in Mumbai. What have they done for you? Are you one of those people who vote them over migration issue?

I would personally take the sena-bjp combine any day of the week than the "seculars" looking at the state of delays in major infra projects by the ruling combine of NCP-Congress. Forget Mumbai look at the state of Pune Metro where the NCP-Congress rule municipal and state. Its not even under construction. Its expected to start building in 2013. Thats like how many years of delays? Nearly 8 from what i know.

Being secular has nothing to with development. Shiv Sena has failed Mumbai. The same Congress-NCP run MMRDA is working on Mumbai metro and mono-rail. Delays are due to litigations and court hearing. In a democratic society I have a right to question any move of the state. If you want a project without any delays we need to abolish our right to appeal. Do you want that?

A wise man once told me, being a name tag "secular" does not get you results.....

What does secularism have to do with development?

the BSWL was locked and blocked at every stage due to litigations and court hearings. The sea-link was made by a private firm contractor (HCC in this case). What needs to be looked into is the condition, aesthetics and finishing of the sea link. It is top notch. Proper lane marking and signs. Also look at the Eastern and Western highways. The Eastern expressway is a breeze. The Eastern freeway will finish is a couple of years. Monorail will also see the light of day very soon. Can you imagine BMC taking over these jobs. They can't even build proper roads.

Even Pune metro has so many litigations. Many people, including several in this forum think that BRTS should be giving a try before Metro. I feel Pune roads are much better than Mumbai.
They took 3-5 years even for a simple flyover in Pune(near university circle). Sea link will be top notch because of the funds. MMRDA has lots of funds including loans and Center/State help. And MMRDA is supposed to be the agency powered to take up these projects. And I still believe BMC with the kind of funds MMRDA had would have done a better job if they had power at state level. I am not saying they are the best and did a good job, but better compared to cong+NCP. Yes BMC could have not allowed slum settlement atleast near hangout places which they have failed miserably.

Coming to Pune metro delay is not due to legislation but fighting between cong and NCP who are unable to decide how to go about it. Legislation will always be there. And Chinchwad- Swargate line was supposed to be build first but again fight between PMC and PCMC. See the Pune metro thread from the start and you will know.

Mumbai metro - Check how MMRDA has been giving 1 deadline after other for Metro. DO you know first 3 lines should have been completed by now and not even 1 line is completed and it will take 2 more years. Phase 1 of Mumbai metro will not be even complete in this decade by when they were supposed to complete 3 phases. Monorail - again deadline for entire stretch given by MMRDA was 2010, now after 2 years only part line will open. Though I agree for Monorail they did a satisfactory job but metro is completely messed up.

They took 3-5 years even for a simple flyover in Pune

It took 4 years in Mumbai to build 52 flyovers

Mumbai: The city's skyline is set to change
Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Mumbai-The-citys-skyline-is-set-to-change/articleshow/12525682.cms)

Paying heed to developers' demands, the civic body has submitted a proposal to chief minister Prithviraj Chavan to relax norms for skyscrapers. Currently, buildings over 70m or those with 24 storeys require clearance from the state government-appointed highrise committee.

Under the new proposal, the civic body will approve buildings that are up to 120m tall or those with 34 floors through agencies like the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT). Plans for buildings that are 120m to 250m tall would be approved by consultants who have constructed three buildings of this height. For buildings over 250m, developers will have to get the plans approved by foreign consultants.

A high-ranking official in the chief minister's office said it will take some time before the proposal is approved. "The chief minister has sought clarifications from the civic body on some points. He wants to know the basic reason for stipulating a height of 120 m or for that matter 250m. He also wants to know where such buildings can come up and the impact they are likely to have on local infrastructure. Chavan does not like to approve a proposal if there is no rationale behind it," said the official.

The CM, who recently met head of the highrise committee Justice (retired high court judge) S S Parkar, has directed the state urban development department to frame guidelines clearly stipulating the powers of the highrise committee and the state-level environment assessment committee to approve projects. The guidelines are expected to be ready by May.

At present, experts on the highrise committee analyze the impact of towers on surroundings, the cone of influence in case of building collapses and the impact of factors such as the wind force and earthquakes on buildings.

The BMC is learnt to have framed the proposal after numerous meetings with builders affiliated to the Maharashtra Chamber of Housing Industry (MCHI).

The MCHI had earlier complained to Chavan that the government-appointed highrise committee had not cleared any proposal in six months though around 300 tower proposals were pending in Mumbai.

Though the highrise committee's role was limited to checking a structure's stability, it was considering infrastructure and development issues while approving proposals, the developers had argued while suggesting that the committee be disbanded.

In the wake of allegations of red tapism and graft against one of the private members, the state government reconstituted the committee in September 2010, leaving out private structural engineers entirely. It was revamped again in 2011 after a member, structural expert Sailesh Mahimtura, was arrested by the anti-corruption bureau for accepting a bribe from a builder.

State government officials said height checks would be in place till the BMC's fire department is better geared. Currently, the equipment with the fire department cannot reach buildings that are over 70m tall.

Though the new norms seek to reduce dependence on the committee, officials said some checks in the form of an independent body of engineers and architects were necessary as BMC's engineers were not competent enough at the moment.

So can somebody emphasize on the implications if the proposal is implemented.