Hi Friends,

I am starting a thread to visualize what Mumbai would be like to stay in the next 10 years.
You are free to provide your views on following areas or more as you think of:

1. Transportation (BEST Bus service, Trains, Metro, Monorail)

2. Malls and Hyper malls

3. Entertainment Zones (for Kids and adults)

4. Foreign Brands (KFC< MCDOnalds, papaJohns, Debenhems, Walmart,Tesco)

5. Parks/Gardens

6. Quality of Highways / Roads

:ohno::bash:

What with the bandra worli sealink, mumbai metro phase 1 and brts taking forever and shelving of the metro phase 3 (Colaba to Bandra) it looks like mumbai wont change much at least as far as the infrastructure is concerned, it is indeed a shame since places like Hong Kong, shanghai, kuala lumpur and Singapore change so much in just over 2-3 years, a whole metro line from one end of the town to the other (over 70 kms) is laid down in Hong Kong in just over 2 years, likewise a ring route linking all the metros is laid down in Singapore in just over 2 years and here we have a metro route in phase 1 that is taking forever, why even our delhi metro is far better, so I dont hold out much hope for mumbai, as a matter of fact as someone had mentioned Mumbai may soon loose out to more illustrious and fast moving cities in India such as Delhi, CHennai, Hyderabad, Pune, etc.

Only hope that those responsible for these mega projects understand this and take steps to rectify this before it is too late beacuse with the way the buildings are coming up in Mumbai, if infrastructure does not catch up, it would spell doom for the city.

PLEASE WAKE UP AND TAKE ACTION:ohno:
Hi Friends,

I am starting a thread to visualize what Mumbai would be like to stay in the next 10 years.
You are free to provide your views on following areas or more as you think of:

1. Transportation (BEST Bus service, Trains, Metro, Monorail)

2. Malls and Hyper malls

3. Entertainment Zones (for Kids and adults)

4. Foreign Brands (KFC< MCDOnalds, papaJohns, Debenhems, Walmart,Tesco)

5. Parks/Gardens

6. Quality of Highways / Roads

Hi Friends,

I am starting a thread to visualize what Mumbai would be like to stay in the next 10 years.
You are free to provide your views on following areas or more as you think of:

1. Transportation (BEST Bus service, Trains, Metro, Monorail)

2. Malls and Hyper malls

3. Entertainment Zones (for Kids and adults)

4. Foreign Brands (KFC< MCDOnalds, papaJohns, Debenhems, Walmart,Tesco)

5. Parks/Gardens

6. Quality of Highways / Roads

I think all the BEST Bus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport_in_Mumbai)service, Trains, Metro, Monorail will be full of A/C

Mumbai will be full of mall. I think there will be nothing call as small retail store. 25 retails shops will be demoilished and malls will be build. and in that also there will be compition like which developers is coming up with the biggest mall eg Dahisar MALL (http://www.exchange4projects.com/COMCOM/db-realty-to-develop-biggest-mall-at-dahisar)

entertainment zones - aaaaaaaaaaaaa... no idea but yes it will increase as compare to today.

India will be full of foreign brand only. no vada-pav only burger

Very few parks and gardens. which will be very difficult to find out.

Roads will be of definately of good quality. No holes on roads will be there during rainy seasons.

Mumbai is a megacity and deserves a lot , however my expectations remain modest for any Indian city given the progress I have been bought up with.

1.) A comprehensive drainage system , no more flooding due to excessive rain - If the dutch can do , so can we. Mumbai is not a village for hevans sake , this would be a first basic priority.

2.) No slums - While I understand that these are homes for many of the poor but it's ridiculous that there exists stuff like Slum Rehab Prog. which have done nothing , slums in central mumbai are a blot on India's commercial capital and people living in these are unsafe too.

3.) More green cover - If Delhi can improve it's green cover , it's hardly difficult for mumbai.

4.)Envt. friendly sky scrapers - Every building coming up is adding heat to it's surroundings , a majestic skyline with a envt. friendly structure , is ti too much to ask ?

1. Transportation buses will be modernised, there will be Airconditioned buses.

2. Not sure about trains though. Ofcourse Metro and Monorails would be Airconditioned.

3. Technology as compared to developed nations would be also available.
Like ticket vending machines at all stations, internet wi-fi available at malls and open parks.

4. Civic sense will not improve. People will still defecate in open places.
some people will still spit on the roads.

5. Hygiene standards will still be low. Road side food will be available (like Bhelpuri and Sevpuri, vada-pav), people will be selling stuff without wearing hand gloves.

6. ROads will improve tremendously, the Highways, mumbai, thane roads should not have much pot-holes.
But, but but....traffic rules will not be followed much..(such as today).
Drivers would still Honk without any reason (such as standing on the Red lights)

The reason people in India dont respect the sanctity of public places is largely because the economic divide between the rich and the poor. Until the poor and rural areas are drawn a share in Indias prosperity, they wont give a f*** about rich peoples playgrounds aka the city. Indias problems are deep rooted and until changes occur at the grass root level, nothing is going to change.

If the time scale is 20 years there will be huge changes.10, not so much...Infrastructure wise anyway.

I am a suburban resident, that too in the far outskirts of mumbai (in mira road)..

There is a vast divide betwen suburb and south mumbai (forget about rich and poor).

South mumbai gets municipal water (24/7), good roads, train frequency is far better, BEST transportation etc..

where as suburb has less facilities like BEST buses are less, trains (all know this, virar trains are so crowded), Toll (1000rs. permonth)...whereas the flyovers are being used by those in mumbai.

hmm...kucch socha padega...

lets stop being kids and behave as mature people. Concentrate on things that are happening now instead of making palaces of imagination.

I don't think Mumbai will improve in the next 10 years unless major infrastructural reforms are put in place:

More rail-based mass transit options. Our commuter rail service is pushed to the edge and cannot be improved upon unless the load is diverted from it. We need:
- a cohesive network of integrated light rail systems such as elevated transit and an effective tram-based system
- the completion of an effective metro rail network
- opening up the commuter rail system to competition, as seen in the Tokyo Rail system.
- an emphasis on mass transit and a greater investment in buses in an attempt to take away the 'poor man's' stigma attached to mass transit

There's a lot more than this, but I'm sleepy.

mumbai is dying. delhi and ahmedabad and a couple others are catching up and will have an advantage because of the infrastructure projects. and when GIFT happens, who knows what'll happen to mumbai...

mumbai is dying. delhi and ahmedabad and a couple others are catching up and will have an advantage because of the infrastructure projects. and when GIFT happens, who knows what'll happen to mumbai...

Catching up? Infrastructurally speaking, Delhi is aeons ahead...

Catching up? Infrastructurally speaking, Delhi is aeons ahead...

yes Maitreya Delhi is also ahead , because common wealth games are coming up. and so infrastructure is changing ckeck it (http://www.exchange4projects.com/MISC/rs-65000crore-makeover-for-delhi)

I heard that the F1 race is being hosted in outskirts of delhi, Vijay mallya has puchased some land (Faridabad or gaziabad or gurgaon)...

so does that mean these small cities will also get best of infrastructure.

The only way for mumbai to improve and get more grants is to host the 2020 Olympic games (Just kidding, i think by then atleast some progress would be made)

^^the formula one circuit is being built near greater noida by the JP group

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=b7fb0baa-1e7d-421f-bcce-4b807aad741d&&Headline=F1+race+track+to+come+up+in+Greater+Noida

Catching up? Infrastructurally speaking, Delhi is aeons ahead...

besides roads, what else? and parks for sure

I agree with Powai mumbai and Bombay boy.
Also one solution is there that people from mumbai should migrate from mumbai to some another place

besides roads, what else? and parks for sure

Erm, the metro?
Besides that and all the hue n cry about the capital,excluding NCR, mumbai is still the daddy.I incliude social indicators in this.
Acvtually I should reserve judgement as I aint been delhiside for years.
BTW why was there no gay pride parade in mumbai? Seemed odd, when delhi & bangalore got one.

the metro or the suburban rail system? i'd take the WR and CR for now, the delhi metro is not in the same league. maybe the metro will be better in 25-30 years. who knows how big bombay's own metro will be by then

delhi gets these central government sponsored infra boosts every 20 years or so. asiad, commonwealth, etc. the rush for infra may not be the same post-2010. unless the GoI bids delhi for the olympics of course

Wait a min i think im a bit lost..
Are u saying that the delhi metro system is not as good as bombays sub rail network?
Or the other way round?
Re reading the last few post i think i might be coming from the upside down angle...
So to clarify....Delhis ahead in ... parks , road.And the metro.
Oh & you can get a better Rajma there.
Probably...

Wait a min i think im a bit lost..
Are u saying that the delhi metro system is not as good as bombays sub rail network?
Or the other way round?
Re reading the last few post i think i might be coming from the upside down angle...
So to clarify....Delhis ahead in ... parks , road.And the metro.
Oh & you can get a better Rajma there.
Probably...

Mumbai suburban rail is ahead of the metro in functionality for now...after all its the lifeline of the city

I heard that the F1 race is being hosted in outskirts of delhi, Vijay mallya has puchased some land (Faridabad or gaziabad or gurgaon)...

so does that mean these small cities will also get best of infrastructure.

The only way for mumbai to improve and get more grants is to host the 2020 Olympic games (Just kidding, i think by then atleast some progress would be made)

Atleast a Commonwealth Games for starters.

That is how Delhi got its infrastructure.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5332/rajnp5.jpg

how about getting rid of this man for a start , God forbid if he became CM of Maharashtra in the next 10 years - then I hate to even imagine what might happen.

Sorry for going off topic though , any replies to this . Please post them in Chaibar.

All these politicians appeal to their base, but once they come to power, they realize that in order to stay there, they have to be broader. It's just that right before, only Shiv Sena had the monopoly on the marathi vote in bombay, but now this fellow is trying to fragment that monopoly.

Mumbai is nearly lacking everything except high-rise buildings. Delhi is about 10 years ahead of mumbai and shanghai is 20 years.

Mumbai is nearly lacking everything except high-rise buildings. Delhi is about 10 years ahead of mumbai and shanghai is 20 years.

I agree Delhi is much much more greener and cleaner...its hosting the Commonwealth games in 2010, so there is govt. support...

Mumbai really needs 4 roads connecting east-west and atleast 2 ring roads accross the city. (As said by Hafeez contractor)

Pardon my ignorance but what corridor with the Sea link cover.

Pardon my ignorance but what corridor with the Sea link cover.

i guess the sea link would cover west-west corridor..basically it assumes it will reduce the traffic congestion from bandra -- worli section...

i guess the sea link would cover west-west corridor..basically it assumes it will reduce the traffic congestion from bandra -- worli section...

yes and i think it is called as bandra-worli sea link. so the name only shows that it is for bandra worli people only

Having browsed thru all cities in this forum...i have come to the conclusion that Mumbai is by far the dirtest city so far....as compared to
Delhi, Noida, Gurgaon, Hyderabad, Bangalore, Cochin, Pune, Nagpur..

you can see these cities roads, lane markings, signals....there is no trace of garbage, people spitting pan or potholes...

I think Mumbai will have to work hard for keeping pace with these cities...

Only way Bombay will advance is simple one:

Carve Bombay out of Maharashtra & make it s UNION TERRITORY asap.

Center should fund Bombay directly without any true budget limitations & lots of tax breaks for infra. In other words, make Bombay entreprenuership friendly & business friendly city.

Delhi's development model MUST be applied to Bombay asap.

This way you'll actually see Bombay advancing. Bombay needs to be juggled out of Thakarays & his seniks thugs forever. These goons are opportunistic parasites deliberately ruiing the city for vote bank politics.

Only way Bombay will advance is simple one:

Carve Bombay out of Maharashtra & make it s UNION TERRITORY asap.

Center should fund Bombay directly without any true budget limitations & lots of tax breaks for infra. In other words, make Bombay entreprenuership friendly & business friendly city.

Delhi's development model MUST be applied to Bombay asap.

This way you'll actually see Bombay advancing. Bombay needs to be juggled out of Thakarays & his seniks thugs forever. These goons are opportunistic parasites deliberately ruiing the city for vote bank politics.

that's actually a good idea, i can't believe nobody has thought about this before. it makes so much sense to put india's largest, most important city under direct federal control. maharashtra doesn't desperately need mumbai anyway, it has nagpur and pune and at least one SEZ planned in every single district.

thats actually a good idea...making Mumbai a Union territory...

i am a mumbaite, born and brought up here...

sometimes i feel, should i move out of this city...

because of the sainks attitude, local language criterias, railway trains, bad hygiene standards, unpaved roads etc....

Any chance of that happening realistically , I'm sure Maharashtra state will have a lot of objection to any such move.

Any chance of that happening realistically , I'm sure Maharashtra state will have a lot of objection to any such move.

Screw objections mate. imprison everyone who stands against "Bombay the union territory". If they do, they are playing vote bank politics. Seniks or any other gov't, they're all incompetent illiterates thugs. They have no clue how a city of 17+ million works, survives, functions & runs day to day activity. A heavy monsoon & gov't literally takes a dump in its pants.

Bombays future should be in the hands of Tatas, Birlas, Premjis, Ambanis (:nuts: ah maybe not so much), Hafeez contractors & any IIT grad, civil engineers who are go getters & visionaries. For this to happen & them to have any power & will to get it done, Bombay as a UNION TERRITORY is a must where they directly deals with center to squeeze out every last fund available.

Now on to the Thakareys & Seniks. These goons are no less than D-companys & Bhais. only difference is they try to ruin Bombay from Dubai whereas beloved Seniks ruin it from Sena bhavan. One is already kicked out, the other needs to be kicked out ASAP.

Then vision Bombay-2018 or even 2020 will be a success in a true sense. Believe me, Bombay's grassroot problem is not environmentalist, its these "F"'ed up Gov't of Maharashtra & their thugs.

yes , yes they are thugs - all these sainiks etc are communal people who won't let mumbai grow in a planned manner but when they even smell the small matter of a UT creation and the cash cow of the state move away they will use all sorts of dirty tactics and mumbai has no where to run since it has Maharashtra on 3 sides and the sea on the other , so these thugs will always have a strangle hold . A more fool proof plan is needed to keep their politics away from the economic capital.

It's sometimes quite a pain why we are democratic - it'll be great to have all these parties banned.

Back to the topic now though and the future of mumbai in next 10 years largely rests on it's cessation from dirty politics and maintaining of communal harmony

Atleast a Commonwealth Games for starters.

That is how Delhi got its infrastructure.

actually its good the common wealth games will be in India., but getting better infrastructure only because of common games is too bad 4 our country.
That means we will improve only when we will get something in return.

Mumbai will only change when the goverance changes.

The PM stated this when he last visited Mumbai.

So making it a Union Territory is a good idea and one that would get immediate results but this is very politically sensitive.

The CM should concentrate on the State and give more power to the Mayor of Mumbai like London, New York, Beijing have done.

Mumbai needs better public transport, better roads, civic amenities & civic sense, recreation & parks, cleaner air, lower & middle income housing, swerage, drainage and water treatment, beautification. Its ground level development which will define MUmbai and not fancy skycrapers even if it makes a impressive skyline.

Hoping that Mumbai is not the same in 10yrs as it is now.

Civic sense is really poor in mumbai...

i am amazed to see smaller cities like vizag, nagpur, kolhapur, jaipur much cleaner ...
I understand that mumbai has a vast population but this is not an excuse for throwing rubbish on roads...

secondly, i believe mumbai was cleaner and maintained in the 1970's...
if you take a look at some of our old hindi movies you will see the road to National park in borivali, and churchgate etc...they are all clean and tidy...

what happend from 1980's--2000... an influx of automobiles, without any increase in road infrastructure....

im saying we hire a paid assasin to kill the thackerays and give india back to whom it belongs, indians.

well, the last i heard was that his own son is studying German language at the college....instead he should be opting for Marathi...

im saying we hire a paid assasin to kill the thackerays and give india back to whom it belongs, indians.

I second that. A lot of people and groups india jeopardize others freedoms just because they have the freedom of a democracy. This is the biggest crime and they should be given severe jail terms. Thats the only way to teach them a lesson.

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I second that. A lot of people and groups india jeopardize others freedoms just because they have the freedom of a democracy. This is the biggest crime and they should be given severe jail terms. Thats the only way to teach them a lesson.

our govt is so soft on these people and i dont understand why. if stores stand up against them and the police do their damn job then we wouldnt have a problem. The best thing to do would be to station law enforcement officials all over the retail shops. I am serious if thackerays die or something then the party dies. Break the main pillar and everything falls.

^^

Why blame the Govt for this? The fact that these guys are able to hold an entire city to ransom is because they have people support. You may argue they are a small group of people but people nonetheless which shows there are people who believe in that sort of crap. Some externalise those feelings and some don't so if you reckon the Govt is soft then the people are soft too expecting someone else to do the cleanup. Always been the case.

But I dont understand that just putting marathi boards will make any sense?
Instead of that he should make polite appel to the maharashtrians that they should speak only in Marathi. To keep marathi language alive maharashtrians should tajke care that they only speak in marathi.
I have seen many maharashtrians that they speak in englidh or in hindi.
whats the point in making marathi boards compulsory also forcing other castes people to speak in marathi???

Mumbai may be in Maharashtra, but it's a melting pot for all sorts of Indians. The lingua franca needs to be a language everyone understands. If most people are educated to learn Marathi, then go for Marathi being the main language. The easiest to do would be English, as it's quickly becoming the language of professional India. Hindi and Marathi both have stigma associated with them.

That being said, I support the development of Marathi as the lingua franca over English and Hindi. Reversing my first statement: Mumbai may be a melting pot for all Indians, but it's in Maharashtra. What would happen if Mumbai was Chennai? Would the Chennaiites adopt Hindi or English to supplant Tamil? Of course not, but people here defend Tamil Nadu's right to independant cultural development - double standards everywhere.

Civic sense is really poor in mumbai...

Probably because most of the migrants there don't see it as their home.

Anyways, in 10 years I see mumbai being the modern skyscraper city of India, and a world class business city if everything goes right.
I see it's infrastructure in line with delhi's and I just see it as a Shang Hai of India.
I seriously hope that construction on some of those skyscrapers start.
What are they waiting for?
If they can't get land, then why do they propose to build a skyscraper in the first place?
Good Luck to Mumbai!

Mumbai may be in Maharashtra, but it's a melting pot for all sorts of Indians. The lingua franca needs to be a language everyone understands. If most people are educated to learn Marathi, then go for Marathi being the main language. The easiest to do would be English, as it's quickly becoming the language of professional India. Hindi and Marathi both have stigma associated with them.

That being said, I support the development of Marathi as the lingua franca over English and Hindi. Reversing my first statement: Mumbai may be a melting pot for all Indians, but it's in Maharashtra. What would happen if Mumbai was Chennai? Would the Chennaiites adopt Hindi or English to supplant Tamil? Of course not, but people here defend Tamil Nadu's right to independant cultural development - double standards everywhere.



Probably because most of the migrants there don't see it as their home.

Get this thing straight. Development and culture do not mix. Development is on one side and so is culture. Development cannot happen if we just brag about our Culture and traditions. Each state in India has their individual culture. But if Maharashtra stresses for Marathi Culture, TamilNadu for Tamilian, Gujarat for Gujarati and Punjab for its Punjabi, then I guess we are better as a separate country then a state under one Nation- India.

I am sick of this Raj Thackeray guy who is rottening the public brains and brainwashing them against doing some stuff which is ridiculous. :wtf: is the importance or need of having Marathi signboards up. I think, we are living in a liberated country and not under any Hitler rule.

Get this thing straight. Development and culture do not mix. Development is on one side and so is culture. Development cannot happen if we just brag about our Culture and traditions. Each state in India has their individual culture. But if Maharashtra stresses for Marathi Culture, TamilNadu for Tamilian, Gujarat for Gujarati and Punjab for its Punjabi, then I guess we are better as a separate country then a state under one Nation- India.
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Sure, it's a nice concept. The reality couldn't be further from what happens. Everyone criticizes Mumbai for it's horrible inequality to workers since it propagates Marathi culture, while they support Tamil Nadu propagating their culture!

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i could imagine mumbai being the worlds leading financial centre next only to newyork and london

We lack global homegrown financial institutions.

i could imagine mumbai being the worlds leading financial centre next only to newyork and london

In 10 years:

New Mumbai Metro lines -supplementing the local trains in the north-south routes

New Mumbai Monorail lines- all over the city(, increasing connectivity

Sealinks sewn around Mumbai's edges - a sort of 'ring road' in the sea

Improved local train service - reduction of crush loads/new ac rakes/renovated stations/greater frequencies

Greater connectivity to Navi Mumbai - from not just South Mumbai but other parts of the city as well - Nhava-Sweri link built, rail capacity increased, possible metro link

Zoning and development of The Mills CBD in South Central Mumbai, (with some new long overdue supertalls)

Complete the contruction of Navi Mumbai International Airport to supplement CSIA, (with rail link)

Completion of Maha-Mumbai SEZ with full infrastructure - roads/power/water etc with metro and local train connectivity - (Secondary CBD possibly located here)

Thane and Navi Mumbai metros completed

BRIMSTOWAD perfected, rainwater harvesting implemented all over Mumbai - eliminating water shortages

24/7 power supply ensured in Mumbai as well as Thane and Navi Mumbai, as well as far off suburbs

Slum Development projects completed - No slums remaining with slum-dwellers provided adequate residential and commercial space for their activities
Slums redeveloped

Major transit centres and terminals renovated and modernized- a/c, glass+steel design, cooler skywalks adding to pedestrian connectivity

Concrete, Rain-proof roads as default, replacing tar roads

Greater capacity on link roads, WEH, EEH through double flyovers etc

Fuel-Cell/Hybrid/0 Emission buses for BEST and Suburban Municipal transport.

Greater Autonomy for the Municipal government with direct central funding access(Maharashtra will never allow Mumbai to become a UT)

Special Financial Zones with incentives designated within the city's CBDs to achieve IFC status


I would like to see the aforementioned in Mumbai after 10 years.

Did I miss anything?

For me , the Changes for the better would be.

1.) An exceptional transportation system consisting of modern buses , suburbun railway , metro as well as monorail.

2.) A skyline to kill for with no particular cluster standing out but a wide area littered with skyscrapers and the occasional supertall too.

3.) An ultra modern airport

Stuff that may get worse

1.) Slum growth - as they will remain center of political debate.

2. Declining civic sense as migrants flood in to the small collection of 7 islands we call Mumbai.

3.) Water and electricity supply to be more errant.

4.) Internal security

lets face it there is nothinhg right with any of our metro cities i literally mean anything everyone here is going on about skyline and clusters of buildings but there is more important stuff then that such as saintaion and sewage and so on which are far more important then skyline.

Things will only get worse for Mumbai in another 10 yrs and then another set of priorities will be needed which will take another 10 yrs to sort out.

Mumbai is struggling to sort the issues from the last 20yrs so forget about the next 10yrs eg. look how long it took for the BWSL to get built from its initial concept to its completion.

Whats the point of skycrapers everywhere (even a super tall) when basic services like water, electricity, sanitation are not given priority. It would be a disaster if you couldn't get running water at the proposed 100 floor tower on the 100th floor for example.

I would would like to see Mumbai governed better, give the Mayor more powers, bring together all the agencies, the govt and MMRDA into one decision making body. Give the utilities top priority and slum prevention and eradication.............its a start!

mumbai is slowly becoming the nest Kolkata of India while Delhi NCR is slowly pacing forwards.The main reason of economic downfall of Kolkata are now quite apparent in Mumbai dese days.eg.

1.Maratha fuss
2.rapidly increasing housing crisis
3.strikes and messy labour unions
4.political disturbance in the city's affairs and bureaucracy
5.poooooor infrastructure
6.unplanned growth

Though their are some things that can still save the city:-
1.Geographical location
2.Huge International interest in the city and its lifestyle
3.Bollywood
4.Work ethics and hard working people!
5.Low crime rates

The cities which have an upper hand on Mumbai are:-
1.Delhi NCR-homogeneous development and infrastructure coupled with Punjabi investment an UP's cheap skilled and unskilled labour and professionals.(And Land)

2.Ahmedabad-GIFT,infrastructure,huge investment,strong leadership and cool business environment.

3.Kolkata:-huge industrial base,location,connectivity,ample water and electricity supply,china town

4.Bangalore:- high growth rates,industrial and technological base,climate,cosmopliton city,location.

5.Hyderabad:-location,infrastructure,abundant labour,government policies,size,industrial base.

though atleast for a decade or two Mumbai can enjoy its status,.........and guys it is not about infrastructure.its about environment,as Shanghai is also loosing out to Guangzhou,Shenzhen and Beijing these days!

can sumbody tell me y is Bombay Boy so pissed of........


boss delhimetro will be fully functional by 2010,.....n u such a crap man saying dat Suburban railway is better than DM.....and few more comments.....pity instead of being jealous of Delhi u concentrate there


and yeah to get mumbai on track people like Bombay Boy and raj thackrey......THE MINDSET basically......



grow up Bombay Boy

^Why I you arguing about Bombayboy when he hasn't even posted in this thread for over a year?

boss i m talking abt the previous scraps....see wat he says....neways leave it....the main advantage of Mumbai is they have sea and international branding.....shud improve the road infratructure as the roads in mumbai are still nt in a great condition...

^^ The government is too busy pouring money into Delhi to invest in Bombay. No big deal, it's not like a quarter of all Indian industry, a chunk of India's GDP and the vast majority of capital transactions come from Bombay - oh wait.


boss delhimetro will be fully functional by 2010,.....n u such a crap man saying dat Suburban railway is better than DM.....and few more comments.....pity instead of being jealous of Delhi u concentrate there

In terms of efficiency and people transported, it is. It seems you don't really care for statistics though.

:popcorn:

oh boy.....mate u start worryin abt the stats .....delhi metro is the only six sigma metro in the world in terms of efficiency.... and yes its serving 21 lakh people already just with its first phase.....god knows where will the number go wen phase II opens which is massive....rite



and oh wait.....please check the latest stats u will get to know how much is Delhi NCR contributing to INDIA's GDP...


please do dat dude.....n yeah all the very best

:|

http://blog.taragana.com/n/customer-relations-staff-to-help-delhi-metro-commuters-28089/

"The Delhi Metro carries an average of 850,000 people daily on its operational network spanning 74.56 km. There are around 97 stations at present.

However, ridership figures are expected to grow to 200,000 when the second phase of network construction is completed by the Commonwealth Games scheduled to be held in October next year, thus increasing the metro network to 190 kms. The number of stations would also increase to 144."

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http://www.mesn.org/mumbai%20traffic%20stats.html#9

Public Transport In Mumbai
One Way Passenger Trips Originated Daily (lakhs)

Year 2006-07
Suburban Railways 63.89
BEST 41.18
Total 105.07

dude its on average which includes off days n all.....i m tryin to find out the news paper clippin ....average has been increased though with 3 lines opened....


and yeah delhi NCR contribution to state GDP is 25.2% dats gud enough reason for delhi to be paid much attention....

neways wen mumbai "WAS" given reference ova other cities in INDIA u were happy now dat the big daddy has appeared y r u so worried....awl d best

n yeah stats from blog.....dats a great great find Bombay BOy

n yeah stats from blog.....dats a great great find Bombay BOy

Better than stats a la Delhirocks, methinks.

I think we should all start making unsourced and unverified claims. Did you know that Toronto is responsible for 99.9% of everything in the world?

As for the "big daddy", I think we all know which city that is, has been, and will continue to be.

:cheers1:

In terms of actual GDP size and contribution to the all India GDP, Mumbai occupies the top position, followed by the national capital region Delhi, Kolkata and Chennai.

According to Indicus Analytics, the current price GDP for the fiscal year 2006-07 stood at Rs 2,00,483 crore for Mumbai region, including suburban Mumbai and Thane, and contributed

6.16 per cent to all-India GDP.

For Delhi, including its nine districts and adjoining Noida, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and Gurgaon, the total region GDP stood at Rs 1,60,739 crore and contributed 4.94 per cent to all-India GDP size.

source: financial express

Good. You've finally proven my point. Now, if you wouldn't mind making a more provocative statement so we can get you banned - we don't need your regionalist nonsense filling up this forum.

Mumbai --2009
http://www.indiadaily.org/images/mumbai_slums3.jpg

Population-20 million
Slum population--11 million
.............so Mumbai as a city is only 9million and as a cluster of dirty villages 11 million.

Mumbai --2019
http://voch.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/photo_lg_jakarta.jpg

Population--30million
Slum population--15million

...............so Mumbai is now as good as Jakarta.hurray.......!

off days? what is it, some kind of amusement park ride?

delhi's contribution to delhi state's gdp is 25%? that's...umm...interesting. who makes up the rest? travelling businessmen from bombay?

^ :lol:


.............so Mumbai as a city is only 9million and as a cluster of dirty villages 11 million.


You really don't want us to let you know where the people setting up the slums come from, do you? ;)

hahahaha.....jealous u r arent u.....boss come out of the well n see d world....boy....neways get well soon n take care

regionalist...wow see bombay boy started it all in this forum n others.....n regionalists are best known as mumbaikars...i think world knows dat isnt it......now u'll say dat u dont know bt it...uhhh wow


yash bro thanks for the stats...

Seriously, people from Lucknow of all places shouldn't complain about slums, considering that their state is probably the top contributor to Mumbai in terms of slum dwellers.

mahratha......slums ....they come from other states an d wen we talk abt wealth it comes from mumbaikars hahaha....little kid u r.....

aww, you're leaving? and we were having such a sparkling intellectual debate :(

oh yeah really......u know wat half of the slumbai's are marathis.....better known as fisherman's and dabbawallahs......yes other states do contribute but walllaahhh......i hope u r nt saying dat marathis demselfs are the richest breed on planet World...or do u

regionalist...wow see bombay boy started it all in this forum n others.....n regionalists are best known as mumbaikars...i think world knows dat isnt it......now u'll say dat u dont know bt it...uhhh wow

damn. and i thought we were good at confusing. maybe we are confused regionalists. or probably more likely we confuse regionalists. what say?

Yeah. Atleast we don't travel across half the country to make a living because our own state sucks balls.

oh yeah really......u know wat half of the slumbai's are marathis.....better known as fisherman's and dabbawallahs......yes other states do contribute but walllaahhh......i hope u r nt saying dat marathis demselfs are the richest breed on planet World...or do u

ohhh will agree with u this time BB.....humnn impressed

Yeah. Atleast we don't travel across half the country to make a living because our own state sucks balls.

so does Delhites brother....delhi has a better Per capita Income stat then Mumbai....do u need stats for that as well

n yeah if u agree with this den dont blame others for the filthy con dition mumbai is in

:lol:

:poke:

Sorry? Is Delhi a part of UP now? Or are you batting for the other team?

so does Delhites brother....delhi has a better Per capita Income stat then Mumbai....do u need stats for that as well

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030316/spectrum/mayawati.jpg

i m talkin in general.....and see regionalists mumbaikar at there best.....again spittin venom against UP...uhhh grow up kids...

oh lets put some piks of Raj Tharki as well....they both will make a gud couple...

n yeah i m with u in this....hate mayawati as much as neone can on this earth

Wrong. Mah. didn't elect Raj Thackeray. UP however, did elect Mayawati.

oh lets put some piks of Raj Tharki as well....they both will make a gud couple...

n yeah i m with u in this....hate mayawati as much as neone can on this earth

so does Delhites brother....delhi has a better Per capita Income stat then Mumbai....do u need stats for that as well

no it doesnt. but good try

oh but he's as dirty as mayawati...n he's a mumbaikar a marathi isnt he....

setting his own city on fire beating people blah blah blah.....dey seems like a family.....uhhhh....wow

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Report-Delhi-has-highest-per-capita-income-in-country/286903/

well yes brother ......a bad try from ur side...read dis if literacy level in mumbai is gud enough.........take care of ur self yaar u r gettin weaker u know where

Mumbai per capita income is 45,471 Rs...in 2008 as compared to delhi's 66,728 Rs....

Delhi rocks, but Delhirocks, you suck.

Get it?

Do you feel compelled to start a flamewar in every single thread?

Now kindly shove off and brag about Delhi in the Delhi thread.

well keep searchin for the stats u wont get it....realty and facts are gettin bitter for u people....get used to it now...

BPL (below poverty line) % in delhi is just 14.7% as compared to mumbais 47% ok
Literacy rate in MUMBAI is 77% as compared to delhi's literacy rate of 81.82%


to name few advantages

oh yeah wen left with nuthing u come out with this...u started this brother n bombay boy...read ur comments for ur active participation in flamin it

Delhirocks, please. Just BLOODY STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD.

Facts abt mumbai


Area : 468 Sq.Kms.
Population : 12,691,836
Season : Nov. and Feb.
STD Code : 022
Temp. : 20.0oC - 35.0oC
State : Maharashtra
Literacy : 77%
Rain Fall : 212cms




facts abt delhi

Area :1,483 sq .km
Capital :Delhi
Languages :Hindi, Punjab and Urdu
Population :13,782,976
Male :75,70,890
Female
:62,12,086
Literacy :81.82%





see the difference.....its from wiki and forbes

Listen you ****. I've lived in Delhi for enough years to consider it my own city as well.

So why don't you save your BS for another thread?

Maratha Man......back off......or get ripped off....neways me signin off from this forum...as i read ur comments and just came here to prove the real worth of u n ur city....


humnnn....all d best n get the stats right first before makin a fuss out here....




N Yes I Love Mumbai Too....its just the mentality of few i wanted to get right....i own a flat at NapeanSea Road , Mumbai opposite Priya darshini Park...Block F....so there's little bit mumbai in my life too...


but delhi is our heart and rocks

Excellent. Please. Go away. And don't come back.

.neways me signin off from this forum.

What an interesting convo
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3598/4lhnbr.gif


Delhi Rocks - You really are a keyboard warrior, aren't you? Quit this mindless debate of yours and find something better to do. Go research the number of corners in a circle or something.


BB, Mahratta, Marathaman - why do you guys have to enter this mud slinging contest? JUST DON'T RESPOND. He'll be shipped up to the destination he's so willing to go to.

all right ceasefire....well lifes and world around u is changin fast.....

Indians Unite u need to see who started dis all....understand

....Indians Unite not u dude...io respected ur views a lot... n i even have a second account with the name Indians Unite II....humnnn...neways its over ok

senior posters like Maratha and BB need not get involved in this rubbish and petty argument , I wonder sometimes why Sun and Sudheesh are so lenient when it comes to warning provocative members

I agree. Rather dumb of me.

senior posters like Maratha and BB need not get involved in this rubbish and petty argument , I wonder sometimes why Sun and Sudheesh are so lenient when it comes to warning provocative members

Khatam ho gaya kya;; Itna sanaata kyon hai bhai

BB, Mahratta, Marathaman - why do you guys have to enter this mud slinging contest? JUST DON'T RESPOND. He'll be shipped up to the destination he's so willing to go to.

the hate was amusing for a bit. didnt think he would fly so much off the handle. stopped responding some time back

mods, sorry for my role in the mess. wish i could help you in cleaning it up

should have known this convo was a waste

I say make Mumbai a union territory and be done with it.

Pune can be the financial capital of Mah., and Kolhapur the political capital :D

great idea....

the hate was amusing for a bit. didnt think he would fly so much off the handle. stopped responding some time back

Same here.

senior posters like Maratha and BB need not get involved in this rubbish and petty argument , I wonder sometimes why Sun and Sudheesh are so lenient when it comes to warning provocative members

I'm not a senior poster? :(

Anyway, it was fun while it lasted, I guess.

can sumbody tell me y is Bombay Boy so pissed of........


boss delhimetro will be fully functional by 2010,.....n u such a crap man saying dat Suburban railway is better than DM.....and few more comments.....pity instead of being jealous of Delhi u concentrate there


and yeah to get mumbai on track people like Bombay Boy and raj thackrey......THE MINDSET basically......



grow up Bombay Boy

Start giving respect to your women in Delhi before you start abusing Bombay Boy.

Start giving respect to your women in Delhi before you start abusing Bombay Boy.



boss so should mumbai people in last six months more rapes and moestation cases were recorded in mumbai than delhi.....right...so you people start respecting them more and then talk about delhiites

cheers

NEW DELHI - India has recorded a rise in the number of rape cases during the past five years with states like Madhya Pradesh and West Bengal accounting for a large number of them, parliament was informed Wednesday.


According to the data compiled by the National Crime Record Bureau (NCRB), a total of 20,737 rape cases were registered in 2007 against 19,384 in 2006, while the figure was 18,359 in 2005 and 18,233 in 2004 against 15,847 in 2003.

The data tabled in parliament pointed out that the maximum number of cases were registered in Madhya Pradesh and West Bengal.

Madhya Pradesh had 3,010 rape cases in 2007 against 2,900 in 2006. West Bengal accounted for 2,106 rape cases in 2007 against 1,731 in 2006.

While the number of such crimes was on the rise in almost all states, Delhi has witnessed a reverse trend in the past two years. A total of 658 cases were registered in 2005 while in 2006 the numbers stood at 623, coming down further to 498 in 2007.

Source: Indian Express


and Yeah , Number of Rapes recorded in Mumbai in the year 2007 is 287....2nd highest in the major city list....and this year the trend has reversed...so you guyz can stop boosting of the fact that mumbai is safe...it was but no more..

cheeeerrsssssss enoy the stats

and now dont blame me for me replyin with bitter facts...somebody new to it started this when things were settled

^Didn't you say you were leaving this forum. And we can blame you replying 'with bitter facts', you could just ignore that comment. And please never come into the Mumbai subforum again, unless you have something usefull to say.

+1

please never come into the Mumbai subforum again,

+2

or any forum for that matter

This guys doesn't seem to understand that most of us here are equally happy when ANY city in India improves.

He seems to take any criticism of Delhi personally, as if people from outside Delhi are somehow against that city.

Its pathetic really.

I have to admit that I've been laughing pretty darn hard for the past couple minutes, you li'l numskull. :)


P.S: Most Delhiites who's parents work for the GoI live in that appalling mess that they call 'block F - Hyderabad Estate'. Eeooow.

i worry for the state of the delhi education system. hopefully rockstars are an exception :ohno:

cleaning this thread seems to be a totally thankless job. i see pre-pubescent dribble all over :drool:

hahahahahahha.....do ....leave it ....you all seems to be bruised....y pissed of for a answer of your own question

do all the dots help you concentrate your energy into forming a sentence?

I think the entire thread needs to be deleted. It's nothing but a topic with lots of stupid posts.

humnn yeah you may take it this way....why... are you pissed off with this as well????...this got nuthing to do with Mumbai

Why isn't he gone yet?

do all the dots help you concentrate your energy into forming a sentence?

Ha ha ha

Just put him on ignore list and enjoy peace of mind.

Well this seems to have derailed a bit. So far, we have gone over most of the infrastructure developments we would like to see in Mumbai.

(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=41327942&postcount=54)

Apart from these highly noticeable changes, what else would one like to see in the next 10 years? Socio-economic change? Literacy/Education? Politics? Language?

I would love when the government forms a driving school system and have a drivers' ed program with written and a behind-the-wheel exam.

In the next 10 years, a lot is to be asked, but doing it is also a question. As we know the status of BWSL and it's new connecting link, I would probably think Mumbai will develop around 5% infrastructure wise. Hopefully the link road's constructions will be over by them and I am hoping it does not meet with the same fate as the Kandivali flyover. Yes, Mumbai will probably generate two top-order batsmen in the Indian cricket team, 4 all rounders in the IPL, 50 new celebrities, and a cool looking airport.

The airport area will look marvelous in the next 10 years. South Bombay will see a rise in the number of skyscrapers. But road conditions will still remain pathetic in the burbs. Traffic will worsen and will be a mess. Mumbai metro might have been struggling to get the second line completed.

Education wise: Mumbai will generate a lot of scholars and the colleges' cut-off list will probably be around 92%. Hopefully the education system changes because we are seeing a tremendous increase in population and if proper education system is not in place, where will the students go to study? Hopefully within the next 10 years, the state government abolishes the quota system so that the deserving can succeed. Politics is totally out of question. The thing that hasn't changed for the last 6 decades, how can we expect it to change in 10 years?

Hopefully within the next 10 years, the state government abolishes the quota system so that the deserving can succeed. Politics is totally out of question. The thing that hasn't changed for the last 6 decades, how can we expect it to change in 10 years?

^^ Fair evaluation. However you are contradicting yourself about the quote I posted here. As you said the politics has not changed in the last 6 decades and we should not expect it to change in the next 10 years, then how do we expect the state government to abolish the quota system? I hope I am wrong. I would love to see the quota system go.

Like China, India is also growing day by day by economy and technology wise.

Mumbai, the big city of India with great population has many problems.

Indian government is focusing to modernize the Mumbai city, but it requires much time to change over all infrastructure of this city.

I am agree with dreadathecontrols, he is right. 10 years are not enough time to change the Mumbai.

Mumbai is a great city and it is at par with the per capita income of our country .................but India is not just another country.............it needs world class infrastructure to accelerate its growth..............China's GDP per capita is only 2.5times of India but it has an infrastruture at par with US cities with per capita income 12.5times that of India.............when China had per capita income less than or rqual to India i.e. early 90s...........it infrastructure was going through a REAL boom ..given below are the pics of Shanghai in early 90s....

http://www.earthtopatrick.com/photos/shanghai_panorama.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/Proselight/SHAbund01.jpg

at that time the infrastructure of Shanghai was not only better than that of Mumbai but was also increasing at a rapid pace....much faster than Mumbai is increasing now...........

Then where is the problem...................who is the culprit........well the
culprits are the city planners and management..........the projects in Mumbai suffer from regular delays,license problems,heavy price escalation and corruption.......now whats new in all these problems.............India has suffered from them from 1947....................but they are the very BASIC and BITTER problems obstructing the growth of the city............we tend(or feel contended)to blame it on immigrants and non-marathis.......but thats is what the poor government body has used to hide its underbelly and make Mumbaikars fancy negatively so that they get diverted from the poor governance and politicians can comfortably suck up the city..............ans we are FOOL enough to think that.............these people are very clever and cunning...........we need to see thru them clearly and realize what is reallly gud for the city!

Believe me, the next 10 years will transform Mumbai beyond your imagination.

what i would like to see in bombay in 10 years:

1. a much better public transport system, qualitatively, not just quantitatively. this will include suburban rail, metro, monorail, brts, water transport, etc. also a total BAN on rickshaws. ideally any rail based station within a km of any place

2. better parks and gardens throughout the city, not just in some pockets

3. good pavements throughout the city, not just in some areas. anyone should be able to walk kms without stepping on the road. this of course means less encroachments

4. NO RENT CONTROL. ok maybe thats asking too much

5. better cultural spaces and more government support for the same. we need something of the quality of a madison square gardens to attract international and national acts

6. more quality non-cricket stadiums to encourage young sportspeople

7. better planning and thought on road alignments and road widths. get rid of all the changing widths on the road. 1 lane to 2 lanes to 3 lanes to 1 lane. ffs!!

8. more links with the mainland to get growth near alibaug, nhava, new bombay etc. a world class resort in alibaug. also completion of the western freeway

9. opening up of bombay port trust land to give the city a new waterfront and one that looks out into bombay's future, i.e. new bombay

10. high speed rail link with pune to strengthen the twin-city status

11. pedestrianisation of some south bombay streets to create high-end shopping and entertainment options

12. lot more cluster rebuilding of old districts of the city, while preserving historically and architecturally significant structures

13. a marina or two along the western coastline of the city

14. cleaning up of the mithi and beautification around the river to offer one more public space to the city

15. completion of BRIMSTOWAD and completion of the new dams for augmentation of water supply to the city

honestly i can see at least half of this happening. with a bit of luck and some vision we can see a whole lot more

Believe me, the next 10 years will transform Mumbai beyond your imagination.

i really hope you are right but i dont know i just dont see that happening if anything the problems might jest get worst thats what i think but lets hope i am wrong.

amen lets hope it happens would love to see all the cities in INDIA develop and compete with other world cities

i would like to add the redevelopment of Dharavi but that is turning into a pipe dream very fast. :-(

i would say 1 goal for next 10 yrs - reduce fraction of population living in slums from 50% to 10% or lesser.

^Even if we manage to redevelop Dharavi, the constant stream of poverty refugees from other parts of the country is not going to stop unless there is rural prosperity (which now seems increasingly remote).

India needs to move into manufacturing, and fast.

The one thing that I hope for Mumbai to happen in next 10 years is for some reverse migration. The city is collapsing under its own weight. The mainland cannot handle beyond 3/4 million whereas it is serving over 10 million people. The wholesale migration is Mumbai's biggest migraine and before somebody jumps the gun to shoot me down over the issue of regionalism, think rationally. This city has welcomed and served everybody from every corner of India but, there is a capacity beyond which a house cannot take anymore guests. Most of Mumbai's problems would be solved if it can somehow see some reverse migration to other cities. Having said this, I know its a hope too far fetched. The city is only going to keep swelling until one day it explodes.

reverse migration is far fetched as of now but an inevitablity of the long term future , say 20+ years , if the state govt. puts it's foot down on a "no more slums" policy then mumbai will become out of reach of the middle class people . Real estate today is amazingly high priced and congestion is way beyond handling capacity as you mentioned.

Besides , places like NCR , B'lore and hyd. have really opened up off late and will be able to handle much more than mumbai in the future as they have no land restrictions , they can grow in all 4 directions unlike mumbai.

Reverse migration will happen and it will be visible if not 10 then surely 20 years from now.

Believe me, the next 10 years will transform Mumbai beyond your imagination.

do you really really think by 2019 mumbai can really transform?:)

if you compare bombay in 1999 to now its changed drastically

how, can you explain? i know it has changed a lot in terms of crime and corruption and its a lot more safer well thats what i've heard anyways but has it changed in terms of infrastructure between 1999-2009? thanks.

^ Bombay's changed immensely since 1999. It's changed a lot since the last time I went, winter 2008. Go back, and you'll see.

Anyway, we ought to get rid of those bloody rickshaws. They're like ants. Perhaps electric rickshaws would be a good idea in designated areas, but they really can't be plying the highways like they are now.
Also, cabs ought to be regulated more

if you compare bombay in 1999 to now its changed drastically

^ Bombay's changed immensely since 1999.

Can you guys give some examples? I hope you guys are not talking about just skyscrapers. (Of course there are a lot of high rises came up in the past ten years.)

Can you guys give some examples? I hope you guys are not talking about just skyscrapers. (Of course there are a lot of high rises came up in the past ten years.)

Have you not been to the infra section of this forum or sommat?

^^^ would like to know the infrastructural changes mumbai has gone through in last 10 years and yeah we are talking about the drastic changes??


I go to mumbai every 7 or 8 months due to my office assignments however the only change i see in mumbai is more garbage on the road and those rikshaw wallah driving more recklesly . dont take me wrong guys but yeah that is what is not letting mumbai change for good, we need to do something.
curious to know.

thanks

^^^ would like to know the infrastructural changes mumbai has gone through in last 10 years and yeah we are talking about the drastic changes??
i go to mumbai every 7 or 8 months due to my office assignments however the only change i see in mumbai is more garbage on the road and those rikshaw wallah driving more recklesly . dont take me wrong guys but yeah that is what is not letting mumbai change for good, we need to do something.
curious to know.

thanks

I think I know who this is...the 'Delhi' and the 'rock' bit was a dead giveaway

Dunno yet. I'm still trying to figure out what you were trying to say, and how it relates to the next 10 years of Bombay's development.

Edit: Well, that was odd, eh

what do you want to say sir ?

^^ i really dont know why are you reacting or behaving like this, i am clueless

however what i really wanted to say is if civic sense is not restored no matter how good a infrastructure govt provides it will continue to look aweful.

i hope you understand what i really w ant to say sir.

yes, would also like to know the reason for your above stated reaction to my post.

oh no!! wait i just scrolled through the forum, dude dont worry i am not delhirocks

also i dont react to anybody's comment neither do i comment so chill yaar, i dont hide my identity.

Reverse migration will happen and it will be visible if not 10 then surely 20 years from now.

Not even a remotest chance. If anything India's urban population is set to grow to 55% of the country's total population in next 20 years. Not discounting the fact that India's own population would continue growing. Couple them together and you'll see Mumbai's population rising by nearly a million each year. The reverse migration will not happen unless there is a fullstop in the rise of the urban population over all. Something that is not happening for a long long time.

The other way is for Horizontal expansion of the city which is impossible now. The biggest mistake in the city planning was the 'Backbay Reclamation' project that resulted in the development of Nariman Point, Colaba and other prominent business areas. This brought the complete traffic towards South Mumbai thereby stifling the already choked infrastructure.

It would need nothing less than a divine intervention to salvage this city. It is decomposing with every passing day.

i am clueless

seems like it

whats all this yaar

http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/projects_mutp.htm

http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/projects_muip.htm

both of these MEGA projects are more than half done. these include lots of new rail tracks, stations, roads, highways, flyovers, etc

there are new rail lines and stations on the harbour line

the quality of the roads has improved considerably since the merani committee report a few years back

work on metro has started

bwsl first phase

major improvement in garbage collection (at least south bombay, not sure about suburbs)

total revamp of airport

marine drive makeover

new fleet of buses and trains

new taxis

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if someone lives in bombay he will know the difference. at the end of the day it still has the highest property rates in the country by far. that tells you that its still the most preferred place to live in for the average indian

its the best in india for:

1. public transport (no one is close)
2. uninterrupted electricity (again no other metro comes close, maybe cal from what ive heard)
3. piped water takes care of most of the city's requirement, we dont rely on tubewells, which are not present here
4. all utilities are underground
5. one of the safest cities in india, women can take cabs late at night. a friend of mine took one last night at 3 am
6. entertainment options, there has been a huge explosion in this area in the last 10 years
7. civic sense (except for garbage disposal :bash:)

not to forget the bombay pune expressway and a huge improvement in the pavements around the city

^^thanks dude.

if someone lives in bombay he will know the difference. at the end of the day it still has the highest property rates in the country by far. that tells you that its still the most preferred place to live in for the average indian

its the best in india for:

1. public transport (no one is close)
2. uninterrupted electricity (again no other metro comes close, maybe cal from what ive heard)
3. piped water takes care of most of the city's requirement, we dont rely on tubewells, which are not present here
4. all utilities are underground
5. one of the safest cities in india, women can take cabs late at night. a friend of mine took one last night at 3 am
6. entertainment options, there has been a huge explosion in this area in the last 10 years
7. civic sense (except for garbage disposal :bash:)

I must say this though - the suburbs face erratic electricity and piped water, which was not a problem 10 yrs back. I agree with all the rest even for the suburbs. My father sometimes say "Mumbai is developing too fast" :)
and i chide him saying that it is our generation and not yours that is bringing all the change :lol::lol:

If only the transport system can improve drastically in next 10 years and I wish above all else that mumbai becomes Slum free , they are a disgusting blot on the city and once I saw this foreigner pointing outside the window seat at the ocean of slums before the airport , that was really embarrassing.

Do whatever it takes , but get rid of those ugly shanties - it can't be done fast enough.

^^ +1.

Thanks BB. IMO Bombay will see a lot more changes in the next 10 years than it has ever seen. I can narrow it down to these four areas which are crucial for Bombay's development,

1. Complete all or most Metro lines and Monorail and introduce water transport/ferry service.
2. Finish Airport Development.
3. Complete all phases of BWSL and beyond.
4. Develop Dharavi and other slum areas and rehab half of them in the outskirts of Bombay.

The MH government needs to develop a small industrial zone outside of the city limits and rehab the existing small production units (especially from Dharavi) in that zone.

Not to mention there will be a few hundred more skyscrapers by then.

humnn are you sure?

A few points/thoughts as a non mumbaikar.


at the end of the day it still has the highest property rates in the country by far. that tells you that its still the most preferred place to live in for the average indian

The highest property rates are not because of Mumbai being the 'most preferred place to live for the average Indian'. It is because of scarcity of land as well as high density of population in the island city.

I have seen many mumbaikars feeling their city is the best/comfortable city to live in. But they do not realise that those from outside Mumbai do not feel so. It is the opinion of others which matters, not that of the locals when it comes to the attractiveness of a place/city.

What Zenith said is true, the impression one gets when he lands in Mumbai and the drive around the city is exactly like what he has said. The thing of concern is not only about the shanties/slums which are in pockets like Dharavi, but its presence every where. I think these days most cities beautify the space underneath the flyovers. But in Mumbai you can see plenty of shanties beneath the flyovers, in foot paths, be it in Andheri or near Oberoi Mall.

And the city appears in a dark/burnt hue, perhaps for the reason that most buildings do not have vibrant colours nor painted for so long, plus the grim and dust. The humid climate would be playing an important role, so you see dried moss in bare concrete.

I fully agree with some of Bombay boy's points like 'safe city', electricity, (water I am not that much sure), entertainment ok, (at least you can be in some boozing joint/night club till 1.30 AM). It is a matter of perception reagrding public transport. No doubt that the suburban trains ferries about 55 lakhs of people (or more?) a day with ease. But the 'quality' is not as desired by outsiders like me. It might be ok for a common man. Personally speaking I cannot stand the smell, the views around, the crowd etc of the commuter trains, not only in Mumbai, but those in Chennai too. Same with bus service too, I am told that the services are efficient, but the appearance, quality and feel of the buses need a lot to be improved.

Regarding perception of a city, I would like to share what I have seen/experienced with regards to people from my home town/state. If your professional career is in a city like Mumbai, then the inference would be that you were not smart enough to get a job in your place and now you have gone out in search of a livelihood. It doesn't have a glamour attached to it. It is the reverse if you have a career in Bangalore. In that case it infers that you were much smart in your career back home and hence you have been poached/ or temporarily you have moved out for a more comfortable and beautiful life. Anyway this may not be true for all (and limited to those in technology/R&D/IT/ITES sector), but that is the general perception back home.

humnn are you sure?

^^ Are you asking me? If so, what do you mean? Please clarify.

sudheesh, fair enough. everyone has their own views and perceptions. most people i know, especially foreigners who are more likely to be unbiased with regards to indian cities, prefer living in bombay as compared to other cities. the key here is living, not visiting. this is true for most of bombay, but is amplified to a great extent if someone lives in the island city

http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/projects_mutp.htm

http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/projects_muip.htm

both of these MEGA projects are more than half done. these include lots of new rail tracks, stations, roads, highways, flyovers, etc

there are new rail lines and stations on the harbour line

the quality of the roads has improved considerably since the merani committee report a few years back

work on metro has started

bwsl first phase

major improvement in garbage collection (at least south bombay, not sure about suburbs)

total revamp of airport

marine drive makeover

new fleet of buses and trains

new taxis

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if someone lives in bombay he will know the difference. at the end of the day it still has the highest property rates in the country by far. that tells you that its still the most preferred place to live in for the average indian

its the best in india for:

1. public transport (no one is close)
2. uninterrupted electricity (again no other metro comes close, maybe cal from what ive heard)
3. piped water takes care of most of the city's requirement, we dont rely on tubewells, which are not present here
4. all utilities are underground
5. one of the safest cities in india, women can take cabs late at night. a friend of mine took one last night at 3 am
6. entertainment options, there has been a huge explosion in this area in the last 10 years
7. civic sense (except for garbage disposal :bash:)

My Views:

1. Public Transport: BEST is good though bangalore is very close to it and delhi too with bluelines being phased out, new ccool low floor buses, metro, BRTS, Monorails (Slated to start soon), LRT ( work's on in suburubs), maximum number of radio cabs.

2.Uninterupted electricity: yes, very true and i love that about mumbai, again that comes at hefty price. Suburbs though i dont think gets a fair treatment, overall improvement is needed.

3:Piped Water: Thats Good, however is the case with many other cities in INDIA and pipeline system is century old with less or no revamp, saw news of dirty water being supplied through them and no water supply for many days recently.

4:All Utilities are underground: Cant comment much on it though, thats largely unheard in INDIA, however Mumbai should take care of the sewage as its still the worst sewage system in all 4 metro's.

5:Safest City: Sorry sir, i beg to differ you on this safest city in INDIA by far is Kolkatta, Mumbai has the second highest crime rate against women in india after Crime capital Delhi.there where too many rape cases recently in mumbai, it was like flood.Kolkatta been there its damn too safe along with Ahemdabad as girls roam around there even at 3 am like its evening time for them.For mumbai probably its the case of too many Biharis coming through with evil intentions.

6:Entertainment Option: sir, with all due respect its not unmatched in INDIA as you said. Bollywoods there agreed, thats very normal in delhi too we see shootings happening everywhere in delhi and its a trend for last 5 or 6 years now, RDB, Fanna, Sunday , CC2C, Love Aj Kal, Dus , chak de india Etc etc being shot here, Delhi boost the best nightclubs in india namely Elevate, Ghungroo, Hardrock cafe, ministry of sound etc etc to name few, Highest number of shopping malls in INDIA, Highest number of multiplexes in india.

so what i all mean to say is itss not the best in india as you said, its good no doubt Mumbai thought all INDIA what nightlife is but many cities have caught up or ae front leading

7: Civic Sense: Amazing ,the best till now cheers: , Totally Agreed, however again suburubs lets mumbai down, still its the best in Mumbai, i love mumbai for the lane driving thing.


zest is Mumbai's got everything , however authorities being corrupt dont provide us with the best they somehoww always sacrifice on quality, thats corruption which is common everywhere in india.

i hope Mumbai becomes a union territory and gets its own management.

would love to see delhi, mumbai bangalore giving damn western cities
*****.

INDIA rocks

everyone has their own views and perceptions. most people i know, especially foreigners who are more likely to be unbiased with regards to indian cities, prefer living in bombay as compared to other cities.

its funny, most of my expat friends prefer living in delhi! i guess it just comes down to personal preferences

This is my first post on this forum. I see a lot of doom and gloom on this thread.

From and Infrastructure POV

(a) Expand the Docks at Nhava Sheva. The port is the lifeline of the city and even the country. Its a revenue generator.

(c) Expand Mazgaon Docks. It is a huge job generator and will build the future ships of the Indian navy. The more compatible we make it, to build aircraft carriers etc the more employment and wealth will be generated.

(b) Proper sewage system.

(c) The trans harbour bridge will open up a lot of area for the expansion of the city.

(d) Removing retarded rent laws. omg if they would have removed this law the entire face of mumbai would be different. no rotted buildings where tenents pay Rs50 for a big house in south mumbai as the rents were forzen in 1964.


From a Non Infra point of View

(a) Fully convertible rupee. Those of you complaining about Delhi catching up (hmm Mumbai for the past 8 years had been growing faster than Delhi) will just not be able to do so. People are forgetting that this city has two stock exchanges the combined value of which outstrip the London stock exchange.

(b) Bombay high oil fields are not fully exploited. They need to be further exploited.

(c) A cap on unskilled immigration. Obviously the density in mumbai is too high.


the comparison with Delhi is baseless. Delhi does not have any stock exxchanges and is not a port. The only thing working for it is its ability to expand being a circular city.

Mumbai has two trump cards of the sea and stock exchange. Unless Delhi develops those (not the sea) Delhi can never compete with Mumbai. Yes they maybe greener and even have more civic sence. But the economic fundamentals of Mumbai are much sounder than any other city in India.

People for the argument of Union territory forget that Mumbai will cease to be the capital of Maharashtra leading to a lot of local job losses. Its not so easy saying may it a Union territory considering all the energy it gets from power stations in Maharashtra. Why should Maharashtra divert its power?

About the sainik issue and impeding development. People need to look up a communist party member by the name of Krishna Desai..... thats all I will say for the positive contribution of the sena for the city. Look it up.....

I dont see how the presence of a stock exchange improves a city.You mean to say those metros which dont have stock exchanges are worse off?Even from an economic point of view,a very miniscule percentage of indian( for that matter mumbai also) population owns stocks,so wealth of stock is hardly going to trickle down to the masses and lift them from proverty.I agree on your other points,expansion of port is very important.Also exploitation of the bombay high can also reap dividends,but that is more on a national level.
BTW i am not biased to either of the cities.I would be happy to see world class infrastructure in both of them( and also a couple of supertalls:) )

Its not just the Stock exchange that contributed to what the city is now today, but it surely has a hand in the city's status.

The most important reason why the city is the commercial capital is because the Maharashtra govt developed the industrial infrastructure right from the 50's which led to the industrialisation of the state and the city. Its due to these industries, that Mumbai has become a financial and commercial hub of the country.

Mumbai couldnt have become so big, if it wasnt for the all industries that have come up in Mah due to the govt strategies. i dont know if anyone has been to any of the MIDC's, but these industrial parks set up all over the state can be compared with international counterparts in terms of infrastructure.

The reason I mention a stock exchange cause they are directly linked to the economic strength of the city.

Strong Local city economy=more job =more money = people earning more.= increases the livabily of a place.

While people dont own stock, Multinationall corps do and what you are forgetting is that every tranastion involed a certain % tax. The city gets that tax. Plus its all about the future as well, if the rupee does float then what you will see is banks etc coming in droves to set up their buinesses near a stock exchange of note. Having a stock exchange is a huge strength.

The stock exchange brings financial high end jobs to the city. On top of which do your research. I read that there is a higher concentration of BPOs in Navi Mumbai than Gurgoan Faridabad etc)


I believe that Navi mumbai came second only to Gandhinagar and Chandigragh in terms of best planned cities in the India

Its not just the Stock exchange that contributed to what the city is now today, but it surely has a hand in the city's status.

The most important reason why the city is the commercial capital is because the Maharashtra govt developed the industrial infrastructure right from the 50's which led to the industrialisation of the state and the city. Its due to these industries, that Mumbai has become a financial and commercial hub of the country.

Mumbai couldnt have become so big, if it wasnt for the all industries that have come up in Mah due to the govt strategies. i dont know if anyone has been to any of the MIDC's, but these industrial parks set up all over the state can be compared with international counterparts in terms of infrastructure.


its nothing to do with government strategy. If they government wanted then it could have moved the capital to Pune or Nagpur. Thus bringing jobs etc associated with it.

what happened is that the rest of Maharashtra got electrified and transport links increased therefore it was cheaper to manufacture stuff in the interior of the state.

The rent of a manufacturing unit in mumbai is much more than say Nashik.

So its basic capitalism at work. the textiles already left mumbai to goto a cheaper place in the rest of Maharashtra.

Mumbai became a commercial capital thanks to two things.

(a) industry fled Kolkotta thanks to the communists, mostly to arrive in Mumbai

(b) The guj gov did not invest what was needed in Surat. Making mumbai the de facto port of the country.

Another thing in the favour of Mumbai is that it is very close and linked very well to the city of Pune which takes 2 hours at most times from my house in the estern suberbs. There may come a time when Mumbai and Pune merge into this mega city similar to say Tokyo and Osaka.

The nearest big city to Delhi of note is Kanpur/Lucknow (450 km) while Jaipur is (300km)

while Mumbai to pune is about 150 km with great transport. Mumbai to Nashik is about (170km)

When one of these trioka booms obviously a positive effect is felt in the remaining two. Pune has the space which Mumbai does not have to expand

the navi mumbai airport as well as the pune international airport will serve the region in general very well.

Rather that this isolated theory of how mumbau should become a union territory it will ebefit more if we manage to integrate mumbai into the Konkan and other cities nearby.

^Even if we manage to redevelop Dharavi, the constant stream of poverty refugees from other parts of the country is not going to stop unless there is rural prosperity (which now seems increasingly remote).

India needs to move into manufacturing, and fast.

Tier II and Tier III Cities need to be developed. That is one of the most effective ways of dealing with migration in India. In this manner, migration to larger (Tier I) cities can be kept in check. In tandem with step, rural developments must also occur to stem mass migration.

The future of India, however lies with the service industry and high-end manufacturing, as India's cost advantage in manufacturing will soon reach parity with the rest of the world as development goals are achieved.

Tier II and Tier III Cities need to be developed. That is one of the most effective ways of dealing with migration in India. In this manner, migration to larger (Tier I) cities can be kept in check. In tandem with step, rural developments must also occur to stem mass migration.

The future of India, however lies with the service industry and high-end manufacturing, as India's cost advantage in manufacturing will soon reach parity with the rest of the world as development goals are achieved.

to put it bluntly.The Bimaru belt states need to start growing at a good rate to provide eomplyment to its people.

Whats happening is some states are developing really fast while other grow at 4% when times are good.


The heavily disgree with future of India laying in service indutry and high end manufacturing.

These industries will not be mass employers for a population as large as India.

The division of labour needs to be ideally 20% agri 50% manufacturing and 30% industry.

India cannot progressed from develping to developed without an industrial boom which employs the masses.

If only the service industry develops then there will be a huge divide between even middle class and poor.

Cause you need a decent education to be employed in the service industry. The Indian populace does not have that at this moment and will take decades to accomplish.

For teir 1 cities, yes service is the way forward. For teir 2-3 its time to develop via manufacturing.

:cheers1:

In terms of actual GDP size and contribution to the all India GDP, Mumbai occupies the top position, followed by the national capital region Delhi, Kolkata and Chennai.

According to Indicus Analytics, the current price GDP for the fiscal year 2006-07 stood at Rs 2,00,483 crore for Mumbai region, including suburban Mumbai and Thane, and contributed

6.16 per cent to all-India GDP.

For Delhi, including its nine districts and adjoining Noida, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and Gurgaon, the total region GDP stood at Rs 1,60,739 crore and contributed 4.94 per cent to all-India GDP size.

source: financial express

Meaning that the GDP of Mumbai is only 43 billion dollars. Somewhere I saw it as 126 billion. Link:- http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/richest-cities-2005.html

Don't know which one is correct. :(

Meaning that the GDP of Mumbai is only 43 billion dollars. Somewhere I saw it as 126 billion. Link:- http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/richest-cities-2005.html

Don't know which one is correct. :(

thats purchase power parity.(126 figures)

ie takes the cost of living into account. Haircut in mumbai costs about $1 while in new york cost about $15


India's gdp is about 1165 billion today based on exchange rates

1165*6.16/100 is about 71.7 billion dollars today.

thats purchase power parity.(126 figures)

ie takes the cost of living into account. Haircut in mumbai costs about $1 while in new york cost about $15


India's gdp is about 1165 billion today based on exchange rates

1165*6.16/100 is about 71.7 billion dollars today.
$15 is rock bottom for haircuts in NY. People will dish out ridiculous amounts of money for stuff like that, but then I'm sure the same can be said for Mumbai. Ahh... the human psyche is an interesting thing

$15 is rock bottom for haircuts in NY. People will dish out ridiculous amounts of money for stuff like that, but then I'm sure the same can be said for Mumbai. Ahh... the human psyche is an interesting thing

just an example dude.

I have not been to NY i just made it up

^^ An average haircut can be anywhere between $10 ans $20 depending on location and rent. In Mumbai, the rate is between around Rs 50 and Rs 450, again depending on location and rent.

^^
Hakim Aalim charges about Rs.3000 for haircut :) But yes, it is one off-place. But I think the range is Rs.25 to Rs.700 which covers majority of the population.

Baal kaatne ka paisa hai ki puri body shave karne ka, shampoo special.

Baal kaatne ka paisa hai ki puri body shave karne ka, shampoo special.
haha.... i hope that's not a "special".

no its a special ending, pure badan ko shave karenge aur malish denge. 150 me milega. ;)

Hi,
According to me,In the Mumbai should have at least Malls and Hyper malls and Entertainment Zones.Because all the big cities should have these facilities.

Mumbai in 10 years... hmmm lets see.. There is one thing that I would like to see, although they may seem too radical

Make Mumbai the 2nd capital of India. This will disinfect the city of all Hindu nationalist goons that have taken it hostage. It will no longer be part of maharashtra and therefore thakarey and company's empire will crumble to dust. But MOST importantly Mumbai BADLY needs some city planning, like New Delhi. This move will perhaps be a step in that direction.

It's about time that this city is "pampered". It gives but is given nothing in return. Its simply breaks my heart. Nowhere in the world will such a city be treated with such apathy.

The management if the city should be in the hands of a select few individuals directly appointed by the President(to whom they will directly report). They will oversee the day-to-day functioning of the city, not some banana state government. They must be given whatever resources they need, directly authorized by the President's office. Migration to the city must be very strictly controlled. Purge all slums immediately (and yes with force if necessary) but not before teaching slum dwellers modern farming methods and relocate them to designated farmlands outside the city.

Seems quite un-democratic, but it needs to be in this case. If radical steps are not taken, this city will be in the ass-end of ugliness in 10 years, I gauran-damn-tee it.

Mumbai in 10 years... hmmm lets see.. There is one thing that I would like to see, although they may seem too radical

Make Mumbai the 2nd capital of India. This will disinfect the city of all Hindu nationalist goons that have taken it hostage. It will no longer be part of maharashtra and therefore thakarey and company's empire will crumble to dust. But MOST importantly Mumbai BADLY needs some city planning, like New Delhi. This move will perhaps be a step in that direction.

It's about time that this city is "pampered". It gives but is given nothing in return. Its simply breaks my heart. Nowhere in the world will such a city be treated with such apathy.

The management if the city should be in the hands of a select few individuals directly appointed by the President(to whom they will directly report). They will oversee the day-to-day functioning of the city, not some banana state government. They must be given whatever resources they need, directly authorized by the President's office. Migration to the city must be very strictly controlled. Purge all slums immediately (and yes with force if necessary) but not before teaching slum dwellers modern farming methods and relocate them to designated farmlands outside the city.

Seems quite un-democratic, but it needs to be in this case. If radical steps are not taken, this city will be in the ass-end of ugliness in 10 years, I gauran-damn-tee it.


thats too radical. Not going to happen.

For example you say teach them farming and move them to farmlands outside the city.

So what exactly do the farmers already in that region do? You want to seize land from them?

ie dump your problems on them?



I for one want the right to vote. Once the people at the centre realise that there is no political gain in mumbai their apathy will only increase.

thats too radical. Not going to happen.

For example you say teach them farming and move them to farmlands outside the city.

So what exactly do the farmers already in that region do? You want to seize land from them?

ie dump your problems on them?

Nobody said anything about stealing land from anybody. Lot of land in the state that is arable but not used.



Once the people at the centre realise that there is no political gain in mumbai their apathy will only increase.


My point exactly. Democracy is overrated. Does not work in third-world countries, where the average people are too dim-witted to exercise their choices and the intelligentsia is too apathetic to exercise theirs. The only way to bring in order is to crack the whip. I enjoy freedom, believe me I do, but I enjoy orderliness even more. There is much beauty in it.

The core problem is that the well-being of the politicians is not linked to the well-being of the country. This is the Achilles heel of democracy in places like India.

thats too radical. Not going to happen.

For example you say teach them farming and move them to farmlands outside the city.


Nobody said anything about stealing land from anybody. Lot of land in the state that is arable but not used.





My point exactly. Democracy is overrated. Does not work in third-world countries, where the average people are too dim-witted to exercise their choices and the intelligentsia is too apathetic to exercise theirs. The only way to bring in order is to crack the whip. I enjoy freedom, believe me I do, but I enjoy orderliness even more. There is much beauty in it.

The core problem is that the well-being of the politicians is not linked to the well-being of the country. This is the Achilles heel of democracy in places like India.


hmm I dont think that dictatorship in India will work.

Look at Pakistan off 60 years of independence about 40 have been under dictators. They have bangladesh and an even worse economy to show for that.

Just cause countries have a dictatorship does not guarantee that it will be a success or a whip.

So many examples of countries which are dictatorships which have failed. So no guarantee that dictatorship will be the solution.

Maybe what India needs is a partial democracy whereby we raise the age for those eligible to vote to about 40 and they need to atleast have education till the 10th standard.

IE so those with a better understanding vote.....

which would give us IMO a best of both worlds. But with so many ethnicities around in India a dictatorship will lead to potential break up.

With china we forget the han are a total majority. Not so the case in India.

Im pretty sure he just meant Decentralised Control of Bombay, declaration as a UT or something similar.

If thats a correct interpretation, its an idea I agree with completely.

If Bombay was declared as a UT and a government appointed "Mayor" figure was given a free reign to clean up the city, so much could be acheived, as long as sufficient decentralised control was given ie FSI, Public/Private Spending on Railways, Aviaton, Ports etc.

Of course, the chances of Maharashtra Government ever agreeing to "give up" Bombay are slim to nil.

And even if they did, it would probably end up having a locally elected government which would have the same problems of votebank politics as it does now.


PS: Ichi... I enjoyed the irony of your "Anti-Dictatorial" stance, especially when you advocate "Partial"... or more accurately "Restricted" Democracy :lol:

Im pretty sure he just meant Decentralised Control of Bombay, declaration as a UT or something similar.

If thats a correct interpretation, its an idea I agree with completely.

If Bombay was declared as a UT and a government appointed "Mayor" figure was given a free reign to clean up the city, so much could be acheived, as long as sufficient decentralised control was given ie FSI, Public/Private Spending on Railways, Aviaton, Ports etc.

Of course, the chances of Maharashtra Government ever agreeing to "give up" Bombay are slim to nil.

And even if they did, it would probably end up having a locally elected government which would have the same problems of votebank politics as it does now.


PS: Ichi... I enjoyed the irony of your "Anti-Dictatorial" stance, especially when you advocate "Partial"... or more accurately "Restricted" Democracy :lol:


the world is full of irony. :lol:

but the democracy of rome was based on similar lines. Plus my suggestion is not that restrictive.

We have free education and anybody who can pass the 10th exam will be eligible to vote.

Ie nothing should stop you from completing the 10th standard exam. I am all in favour for setting up night schools so people can attend them.

Im not having a go at you for being restrictive, on the contrary, Im openly of the opinion that the Country/States/Cities should be given what they need rather than necessarily what they want, especially when the electorate is not intellectually mature enough to see with foresight.

The term "Human Rights" is beautifully emotive, makes anyone who tries to deny them seem as though they are inhumane.

Personally, looking at the bigger picture, I cant see how anyone can agree with the current idiocy where the future of a nation that already has 1billion+ is being dictated by the short term, myopic sentiments of communities of peasant farmers, slum-dwellers and fishermen. What is humane about that?

Anyway, this is not the situation all over India, and if it isnt apparent already, over the next 5 years at the very least, the difference will become very obvious.

Maybe then, the rest of the country will actually reassess the way things are done and usher in a bit of a revolution.

I feel you need to get people educated to make them understand stuff

So... the next time a slum community fail to vacate land they have illegally occupied, or the next time a bunch of fishermen try to derail a multimillion dollar industrial port project, your solution is to send them to school? ;)

Obviously I get what you are saying and agree that a good education policy is an essential part of any longterm plan for the country... so fine, that sorts out what to do with the youth.

But, there are millions of uneducated adults in India and if the country is to develop anytime in the next 50yrs, then there is no time to go and educate them retrospectively.

Something needs to be done right now, so as cold and harsh as it sounds, these people cant be allowed to hold the country back any longer.

Im not having a go at you for being restrictive, on the contrary, Im openly of the opinion that the Country/States/Cities should be given what they need rather than necessarily what they want, especially when the electorate is not intellectually mature enough to see with foresight.

The term "Human Rights" is beautifully emotive, makes anyone who tries to deny them seem as though they are inhumane.

Personally, looking at the bigger picture, I cant see how anyone can agree with the current idiocy where the future of a nation that already has 1billion+ is being dictated by the short term, myopic sentiments of communities of peasant farmers, slum-dwellers and fishermen. What is humane about that?

Anyway, this is not the situation all over India, and if it isnt apparent already, over the next 5 years at the very least, the difference will become very obvious.

Maybe then, the rest of the country will actually reassess the way things are done and usher in a bit of a revolution.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

I also agree that the minimum educational limit for voting should be 12th standard or something. The problem is that where there is a law, there is a scam to circumvent it! The next thing you know the election officials will be paid off by ugly uneducated politicians to "discretely bypass" this rule and let the illiterate vote as well.

See, this is the problem with democracy in India. Voting is a VERY powerful tool, I will be the first to say that. It empowers the citizen, but it demands a higher intellectual standard which the average Indian does not have. It requires the individual to partake in a system that requires one to have knowledge as to what is in the best interest of the country and at the same time be at least somewhat aware of the people who will make that happen, and then go ahead and elect them to office. It also requires the individual to be ever vigilant of their rights and to constant check the performance of their elected reps. Should they fail to perform their duties, vote them out.

Can we expect this kind of maturity from common folk in India? I don't think so. This is not Scandinavia. This India for F@#$'s sake. Some of you ma hate me for this, but I am simply telling the truth here. If I have offended someone, I apologize. I speak my mind and am not afraid to do so.


Take democracy out of the picture and this is what you get:-

1) No wasting money on elections
2) MASSIVELY quick decisions. What the govt wants, the govt gets
3) Common direction for the greater good. If someone does not agree, (like stupid bored socialites), they get thrown in jail.
4) Uniformity in the functioning of all states. All state "governors" receive their (very specific) orders from above and they go ahead and implement them. They would have very strict deadlines. They are of course free to make valid suggestions and creatively experiment, if it is for the greater good.
5) Leaders are elected by a select clique of industrialists, political scientists, scientists and academicians, who share a patriotic view and have something in common:- Their high achievements in their respective professions.

Perhaps this country should be run by Narayan Murthi... :lol: I wonder what kind of an autocrat he will make :nuts:

democracy is the most moderate form of government. it will never be fantastically good, but it will also not be fantastically bad

india is too far down the road to change now. any other form of government is fantasy. what we need to work on is improving the basics of democracy - quality judicial system, less red-tape, distribution of power, etc

delete. double post

democracy is the most moderate form of government. it will never be fantastically good, but it will also not be fantastically bad

india is too far down the road to change now. any other form of government is fantasy. what we need to work on is improving the basics of democracy - quality judicial system, less red-tape, distribution of power, etc

Getting off-topic, will not continue with this.

these people cant be allowed to hold the country back any longer.

And next time they get falsely accused, arrested and beaten up by the police becuase some rich , corrupt industrialist or politicians plans for procuring gold for wedding season are being held up , you obviously will be there to defend them ? :)

The people have rights that have been ignored for , well forever..
They are not the oners holding the country back .Its the short sighted self agrandsmenst of the elite that is. :ohno:

these people cant be allowed to hold the country back any longer.

And next time they get falsely accused, arrested and beaten up by the police becuase some rich , corrupt industrialist or politicians plans for procuring gold for wedding season are being held up , you obviously will be there to defend them ? :)

The people have rights that have been ignored for , well forever..
They are not the oners holding the country back .Its the short sighted self agrandsmenst of the elite that is. :ohno:

Firstly, we all know most of these posts will be deleted anyway, but I'll respond for the timebeing.

The existence of a Rich, Corrupt, Greedy Elite doesnt mean that the poor are all Holy, Innocent and Good to the Core.

If anything, the point you make only further proves that only a very tiny minority of the population are capable and inclined to deliver progress. Lets just add to what I said earlier that the Corrupt and Greedy shouldnt be allowed to hold the nation back either.

I think its a very romantic misconception, very popular in the UK media especially that the problems with India are due to the Rich Minority.

the problem is not in believing that a core group of highly intelligent, moral people can take a country forward

the problem is in picking these people to run the country. who gets to pick them? what ideology is backed? what happens if these people dont turn out to be what you thought they would be? how does one replace them?

which brings us back full circle to education as a plausible solution to improving our taste in leadership.

Firstly, we all know most of these posts will be deleted anyway, but I'll respond for the timebeing.

The existence of a Rich, Corrupt, Greedy Elite doesnt mean that the poor are all Holy, Innocent and Good to the Core.

If anything, the point you make only further proves that only a very tiny minority of the population are capable and inclined to deliver progress. Lets just add to what I said earlier that the Corrupt and Greedy shouldnt be allowed to hold the nation back either.

I think its a very romantic misconception, very popular in the UK media especially that the problems with India are due to the Rich Minority.

Hmmm the UK media . How DID they get involved ?
Checking my posts , if thats what youve done, does not serve you well in debates with me, if you come to the conclusion that i merely gurgle out the UK press line. I know India well, take it as read.
The poor in India as elsewhere are neither evil or saintly .Your so right.
But like elsewhere they are victims of circumstancres they have little control over. And the powerful everywhere seek to imposs there own idea of progress on communities with little say in the matter.
So when folk , you in this case, take the easy way out and decide in your wisdom that the uneducated should be ignored or penalised then it erks.
If communites see there lives as being changed negativly in the name of overall progress, there needs should be heared.
That is what democracry is supposed to be about.
And if you realy think that Indias' ruling elite is anything else but currupt and self seeking then i guess you have been in a different country to me.
What was the only ever time that both sides of the lok sabha united in a vote ?
Get real.
As said by someone education IS the key.
Cheers D

Dont flatter yourself, I just noticed that the other day there was another typical "expose" of the "contrast between super rich and super poor" on the BBC site, this time Bangalore.

If you think I believe that the current bunch of Idiots running the country are of any use to anyone, then I find it hard to understand how you managed to see the point in even replying to my post.

The problem is cyclical, the Vote-bank politicians are never going to allow the Ignorant Masses to be educated, therefore ensuring that the next generation of Corrupt Politicians will be voted in by the next generation of Ignorant Masses.

If you say you know India, then surely you must realise the inherent flaw in believing that Education is ever going to be a practical answer to Indias problems.

In an Ideal World everybody would be educated and every politician would be noble and righteous, but both of these ideas are so far removed from the reality in India, that hoping for one or both to happen is a job for someone with far more optimism and far less practicality than me.

Using the Govt of Gujarat as contrast, nearly all of the ideas and plans that they have implemented over the past 8 years have come straight from the drawing boards of institutes such as CEPT (Centre for Environmental Planning and Technology) University in Ahmedabad.

Its a radical and risky way of doing things, but so far, the young bright minds, with an interest and an aptitude for Town Planning, Urban Design etc seem to have come up with a lot of schemes that have really improved the situation in the State.

Who knows how fast the country would grow if the rest of India was willing to take the same level of risk and trust the educated youth rather than cling onto the current system where India grows despite the Government, rather than being facilitated by it.

these people cant be allowed to hold the country back any longer.

And next time they get falsely accused, arrested and beaten up by the police becuase some rich , corrupt industrialist or politicians plans for procuring gold for wedding season are being held up , you obviously will be there to defend them ? :)

The people have rights that have been ignored for , well forever..
They are not the oners holding the country back .Its the short sighted self agrandsmenst of the elite that is. :ohno:

I cannot control myself.. Must post.... ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!! :bash:

Name one academic or scientist in India who is corrupt.

Industrialists, yes they are known to give politicians a hand-job or two on some occasions, but by and large, (barring some, like I said), they have been a decent lot.

Take politicians out of the equation and they have no further incentive to jerk them off for favors and such.

Who chooses them? Lets sey, hypothitically speaking that you were to stage a successful coup in New Delhi, who whould you choose for the "ruling council?"

I for one am VERY pro-poor. I DO NOT like the sight of poverty. It sickens me to the bone. Neither do I want to pamper it nor do I want to patronize it, but want to take it by the balls and throw it out of the window. As simple as that. Yes, when you demolish slums and the like, slum dwellers will feel hurt. But with the right policies, they WILL get better off when gainfully employed in agriculture. You cannot expect them to understand this.

The problem is how to stop migration of poor from the villages of the Indian interiors? Simple. Make agriculture lucrative. How, use TECHNOLOGY. Build irrigation projects on a huge scale, put the land back into the hands of the farmers, execute the landlors. Now you tell me, can ANY mo@#$#ing Indian politician do this? Do these senile low-lifes even have a spine? You need a different breed of men take the tough decisions who are the least bothered with politics.

When I talk of the "elite" I dont mean some uber-rich socialite sitting his/her 20 crore-something condo in cuff parade and whose idea of "productive" work is party-hopping. I am talking about the visionary, brilliant and patriotic people who can make a difference, like for example the guy who started the RTI campaign. By "elite" I mean the intellectual elite, with a MASSIVE moral conscience and a patriotic fervour guiding their every move in life.

What we practice here is NOT democracy. It is "Indiocracy", the most perverse form of politics known to man (or any sentient beings if there are any besides us in the universe).

Sorry for any grammatical errors, I tend to make them a lot when my mind is swirling with ideas so fast I don't have time to pen 'em all :)

Dont flatter yourself, :)
The problem is cyclical, the Vote-bank politicians are never going to allow the Ignorant Masses to be educated, therefore ensuring that the next generation of Corrupt Politicians will be voted in by the next generation of Ignorant Masses.

If you say you know India, then surely you must realise the inherent flaw in believing that Education is ever going to be a practical answer to Indias problems.

In an Ideal World everybody would be educated and every politician would be noble and righteous, but both of these ideas are so far removed from the reality in India, that hoping for one or both to happen is a job for someone with far more optimism and far less practicality than me.

Using the Govt of Gujarat as contrast, nearly all of the ideas and plans that they have implemented over the past 8 years have come straight from the drawing boards of institutes such as CEPT (Centre for Environmental Planning and Technology) University in Ahmedabad.

Its a radical and risky way of doing things, but so far, the young bright minds, with an interest and an aptitude for Town Planning, Urban Design etc seem to have come up with a lot of schemes that have really improved the situation in the State.

Who knows how fast the country would grow if the rest of India was willing to take the same level of risk and trust the educated youth rather than cling onto the current system where India grows despite the Government, rather than being facilitated by it.

Both the above are interesting replies.
I was only refering to polituicians and those in their sphere of influence.

I agree with most of it but lets stop and look a bit at history.

The 'developed' world was , at some point, much like India is now .
The similarities are more numerous than the differences.

Universal education enshrined by law was ther single most important thing that lifted us out of the shite.Taught us ignorant whities about germs apart from anything else, and gave a large and illiterate mass the chance to better thamselves.
Cant see any other way . For India or anywhere
And i'm happy to say they as India has brought that onto the statute books it will have a very positive effect. In time.
Cheers D

Both the above are interesting replies.
I was only refering to polituicians and those in their sphere of influence.

I agree with most of it but lets stop and look a bit at history.

The 'developed' world was , at some point, much like India is now .
The similarities are more numerous than the differences.

Universal education enshrined by law was ther single most important thing that lifted us out of the shite.Taught us ignorant whities about germs apart from anything else, and gave a large and illiterate mass the chance to better thamselves.
Cant see any other way . For India or anywhere
And i'm happy to say they as India has brought that onto the statute books it will have a very positive effect. In time.
Cheers D

I am not questioning the need for education at all :) Without education there is nothing. NOTHING!! Someone who is against education is reprehensible to me.

I am merely against democracy in India. It does not belong here and it must die a sudden death. It will not be missed and we will all be better off. It has FAILED us so royally that I cannot even express in words the rage that grips every inch of me when I see that dirty cockroach called the Indian politician spread his stink all over this land. The Maoist infestation in many districts of India and other such "Chimeras" are a direct result of colossal failures of a weak and rotten system. If someone does not believe this to be true, they are clearly living in la-la-land.

Again, sincere apologies for some controversial views, but that's the way I am :) The "do not fear controversial topics" gene in me comes from my mother hehe :)

Again, sincere apologies for some controversial views, but that's the way I am :) The "do not fear controversial topics" gene in me comes from my mother hehe :)


Errmm......you do realize that this "do not fear controversial topics" gene of yours could get you into serious shite incl. capital punishment in a non-democratic regime. It can only thrive and be nurtured in a democracy. No soapboxes available, no arguments and no freedom to pontificate in an authoritarian society mate. :lol:

I think he's looking for some sort of midpoint. I personally am for a democracy, but with the amount of uninformed voters and "stolen votes" in this country, the process doesn't work well. Someone mentioned earlier making more limits on voting requirements. I think maybe you should wait till 25 and have had at least full primary education. Once the population becomes more educated and less prone to corrupt acts in votebank etc then we can bring the requirements back down, although a voter should be well informed before casting vote no matter what. Then you should have high voter turnout against the shit that's happening and basically a velvet revolution ushering in a new government. If things go wrong, rebel against them. I'm studying the American Constitution right now so these type of ideas are circulating through my head. :)

Hi
Well,Thanks for giving such a nice information regarding Mumbai.You have create a good awareness among others regarding these topic.I like your article very much.I want to add my knowledge regarding future of Mumbai.You are truly knowledge giver and thanks once again for these information.

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I am not questioning the need for education at all :) Without education there is nothing. NOTHING!! Someone who is against education is reprehensible to me.

I am merely against democracy in India. It does not belong here and it must die a sudden death. It will not be missed and we will all be better off. It has FAILED us so royally that I cannot even express in words the rage that grips every inch of me when I see that dirty cockroach called the Indian politician spread his stink all over this land. The Maoist infestation in many districts of India and other such "Chimeras" are a direct result of colossal failures of a weak and rotten system. If someone does not believe this to be true, they are clearly living in la-la-land.

Again, sincere apologies for some controversial views, but that's the way I am :) The "do not fear controversial topics" gene in me comes from my mother hehe :)

understandably youre pissed off at the political class in India .
But without a democracy or at least a version of one, you get mass executions as in china.
As someone once said 'its the least worse system'.And who knows you might find yourself on the wrong side of the fence.
In the short term it slows progress but in the long term it should make India a vigourous society.
It funny though in China, its actually much freer than the gov there would like us to believe, in the sense that folk do protest in many ways.
But the consiquences of falling foul of the authorites can be dire.
There are thankfully very few political prisoners in India.
Its youre choice which systen you prefer.
And as B B said , who gets to determin those in power?
D

Errmm......you do realize that this "do not fear controversial topics" gene of yours could get you into serious shite incl. capital punishment in a non-democratic regime. It can only thrive and be nurtured in a democracy. No soapboxes available, no arguments and no freedom to pontificate in an authoritarian society mate. :lol:

Yes, agreed. That is the flip-side of a non-democratic regime. However, if the system DELIVERS, then people will shut up and enjoy the fruits of good governance. You rise up against the state if the state fails you, not otherwise. Agreed that you cannot satisfy everyone, but a well governed and well desciplined regime can satisfy most of the population. The dissenters in that case will be a fringe minority.

And as B B said , who gets to determin those in power?
D

Stage a coup, select the governing council and then leave them to their jobs.

Yes, agreed. That is the flip-side of a non-democratic regime. However, if the system DELIVERS, then people will shut up and enjoy the fruits of good governance. You rise up against the state if the state fails you, not otherwise. Agreed that you cannot satisfy everyone, but a well governed and well desciplined regime can satisfy most of the population. The dissenters in that case will be a fringe minority.

Good point 29A. Certainly all for "good governance". But take it to the next level. "Good" is a very personalised adjective. There have never been and may well never be Utopian societies. Aspirationally, they seem danged attractive, however, if everyone is satisfied - then whereforth shall spring the best of human endeavours? No evolution in science, arts or technology. Satisfaction with the environment kills that gene. All progress is made on the foundation of discontent with the current status - there needs to be that "keeda" to motivate ground breaking effort. Check out "A Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. You will enjoy it if you havent read it yet.

Speaking purely for myself, I would take free societies with all their imperfections over a soul numbing authoritarian rule / or even a benevolent dictatorship everytime. Free bred animals are tougher and stronger than carefully / thouroghbred specimens. Just my $0.02.

understandably youre pissed off at the political class in India .
But without a democracy or at least a version of one, you get mass executions as in china.
As someone once said 'its the least worse system'.And who knows you might find yourself on the wrong side of the fence.
In the short term it slows progress but in the long term it should make India a vigourous society.
It funny though in China, its actually much freer than the gov there would like us to believe, in the sense that folk do protest in many ways.
But the consiquences of falling foul of the authorites can be dire.
There are thankfully very few political prisoners in India.
Its youre choice which systen you prefer.
And as B B said , who gets to determin those in power?
D


In India, prisoners are not taken. People are killed or their houses stoned and relatives threatened if they talk against a big leader - is that your democracy? This is worse than being a political prisoner.

In India, prisoners are not taken. People are killed or their houses stoned and relatives threatened if they talk against a big leader - is that your democracy? This is worse than being a political prisoner.

yep it happens, alot..
But generally the indian people dont live in fear.its not burma.
and as for the staging a coup;who selects the ruling council?

and as for the staging a coup;who selects the ruling council?

:rofl:The existing babus!! Selection by committee :lol: Decisions thru inaction :lol: Would love to be a fly on that wall. I am sure there would be delays of 18-36months in their staging plans and then somebody will change the model and make it a PPP. What to do , we are like that only

You guys reckon Dharavi would still be around come 2020.

Sure- sadly at this pace, nothing seems to be moving anyway and its too big to go anywhere.

The Maximum City, But Minimum Life

Mumbai: Living life on the edge, scrambling for a toehold on trains, snaking one’s way through traffic snarls, fighting to find a roof over one’s head all combine to make Mumbai the city that never sleeps, and Mumbaikars the people who die younger than others in the rest of the country.
A study has found that the average Mumbaikar is likely to die at least seven years before other Indians and about 12 years before people living in the rest of Maharashtra.
Despite economic growth and availability of good health facilities in the city, which normally lead to an increase in life expectancy in societies across the world, Mumbaikars on an average live to the age of 56.8 years. Life expectancy is 52.6 years for men and 58.1 years for women. The average all-India life expectancy figure is currently 63.7 years for both males and females. This means the average Indian’s lifespan is at least seven years more than that of the average Mumbaikar.


Stress, long commute take heavy toll on Mumbaikars
Mumbai: Mental stress, lack of physical exercise and poor dietary habits are decreasing the average life expectancy of Mumbaikars. This year’s Human Development Report on Mumbai reveals that maximum number of deaths in the city are caused by heart attacks followed by tuberculosis, cancer, kidney failure and HIV/AIDS and that such numbers are increasing every year — in 2006, around 12,606 died in the city due to heart attacks against 2005 figure of 11,921. Around 9,490 deaths in the city in 2006 were due to TB against 8,836 TB deaths in 2005. In 2006, cancer and kidney failure led to 6,212 and 2,190 deaths respectively.

Times of India (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOINEW/navigator.asp?Daily=TOICH&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI)

Mumbai after 10 years - atleast better standard of living than now!!

yep it happens, alot..
But generally the indian people dont live in fear.its not burma.
and as for the staging a coup;who selects the ruling council?


The one that stages the coup selects them, of course. But first, all politicians (especially those of North India) would have to be publicly executed with extreme prejudice. Just to drive through a point.

The one that stages the coup selects them, of course. But first, all politicians (especially those of North India) would have to be publicly executed with extreme prejudice. Just to drive through a point.

im slowly being convinced...

:rofl:The existing babus!! Selection by committee :lol: Decisions thru inaction :lol: Would love to be a fly on that wall. I am sure there would be delays of 18-36months in their staging plans and then somebody will change the model and make it a PPP. What to do , we are like that only

Come on, no one else found picked up on this? That was damn funny, applause deserved!:cheers:

Come on, no one else found picked up on this? That was damn funny, applause deserved!:cheers:

indeed saw it but got
distracted :cheers:

Come on, no one else found picked up on this? That was damn funny, applause deserved!:cheers:

indeed saw it but got
distracted :cheers:


:tyty: ...*and there I was feeling all ignored and unloved!:lol:

* an ellipsis which means "nothing" - something I learned on this forum

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=300046&page=21

inappropriate but yeah i think its important to us indians

vote!!

An interesting article.. Nice read

http://www.constructionweekonline.in/article-5184-vertical_aspirations/1/print/

interesting read and that cananda is a city...

love how the article assumes that in 10 yrs, 70% of India will be urban....(today 70% of india's population is rural)

Here's a slightly long read - what do you guys think? This cud potentially spark off a debate on the haves vs the Acquiring. But a voluntary building code can have downstream implications that cud be avoided with a more prescribed code?

Source: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/glass-frontsfuture-shock/377149/

Glass fronts and future shock
Pallavi Aiyar / Copenhagen November 21, 2009, 0:31 IST
Architects and the structures they design pivotal in climate war


“People often ask me about the worst, least energy-efficient building in India,” says Jens Laustsen, a policy expert with the IEA (International Energy Agency). “They ask when this building was constructed. Was it in the 60s or the 70s?”

“My answer surprises them. The fact is that this building is yet to be built.”

The rapid economic growth that India has experienced in the 21st century has millions of its urban middle-class residents aspiring to a modernity that would place their cities on the global map. Architecture is inescapably part of this quest and the kind of glittering, glass and chrome structures that dot the new metroscapes are emblematic of it.

Lausten shudders when recalling a fancy, new building he saw on his last trip to India. “It was 45 degrees outside and the building had glass on all its facades. It needed one of the world’s largest air-conditioning systems to keep it cool.”

The significance of this observation only hits home when the dramatic but under-publicised link between buildings and potential climate catastrophe is clearly articulated.

Fighting climate change usually conjures up images of futuristic and expensive technological innovations. But in fact something as mundane as the placement of windows on homes can be an equally effective and far more affordable weapon in this battle.

According to the IEA, buildings consume close to 40 percent of world energy. The good news is that energy waste in buildings used for heating, cooling, ventilation and hot water can be cut by a massive 75 percent globally, using existing and largely affordable technologies.

Laustsen says improved energy efficiency alone can deliver 54 percent of the carbon dioxide reductions that the UN climate panel calls for – more than double what can be had from developing renewable energy sources. Eelco van Heel, CEO of the Rockwool Group, one of the world’s leading insulation companies, says if buildings in Europe were renovated to bring them up-to-date with modern energy standards, the region would save energy worth ¤270 billion and prevent the emission of 460 million tonnes of CO2 by 2030.

Laustsen says the savings in developing countries like China and India would be even greater. The improvement of a building’s efficiency at the planning stage is relatively simple and cheap, compared to improvements after a building has already been constructed, he explains.

Construction activity in developed countries is relatively low. In many developing countries, however, new construction accounts for a much larger share of buildings. Energy savings in these new buildings from a more efficient design will have a larger and faster impact on the economy.

The scale of energy efficiency in buildings is large enough to influence security policy, climate preservation and public health on a national and global scale says Lausten. More efficient buildings mean a lower energy need, allowing governments to reduce their dependence on imported fuels, while making climate policy targets easier to reach.

Consumers win as a result of cheaper electricity bills and increased indoor comfort, while businesses profit from this sunrise sector. The IEA estimates that while an energy-efficient building costs six to eight per cent more than a conventional one, the payback from efficiencies obtained can be realised in under 10 years. Since buildings are typically constructed to be used for many decades, the economic logic for increased efficiency is evident.

Sachin Sandhir, Managing Director of the Indian branch of RICS (Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors), agrees that low carbon buildings present a lucrative business opportunity. He says the green buildings sector in India has been growing 45 percent annually over the past five years. As a result, the total supply of green construction in the country has increased to 6.8 million sq ft as of September, nearly double the 3.8 million sq ft available in early 2007.

Sandhir lists a number of architects and real estate firms that are already turning green buildings into money spinners. These include DLF, Raheja Developers, 3C Company, the Shree Ram Urban Infrastructure Group, the Lodha Group, Vasavi Housing Infrastructure and SunTechnics.

These businesses have been helped by a new energy conservation building code (ECBC) adopted by the government in 2007 that targets large commercial buildings. But, although the commercial real estate sector in India has been a major contributor to the energy-efficient building segment, Sandhir says the residential sector lags. He blames a lack of awareness about the economic and social benefits of green buildings. Laustsen adds to this the inadequate availability of qualified architects, designers, engineers and compliant building materials.

India’s building code remains voluntary, even in the commercial sector, so that massive amounts of energy continue to be wasted every day in a country that is seriously energy-deficient. While nearly 400 million Indians still lack access to electricity, a fact often brought up in support of India’s stance in global climate negotiations, a recent Ministry of Power report points out that about 25 per cent of the total electricity utilised in government buildings in the country is wasted due to unproductive design, resulting in an annual energy related loss of Rs 1.5 billion.

The country has a moral right to economic development. But neither a moral right to or economic need for the kind of development that equates modernity with glass-fronted buildings.

Any supertall glass buildings coming up?

^^

Yeah. Check out india tower.

Overall on the Infrastructure end, things are going good...the metro, bus stations, train stations are being revamped, malls coming up, roads being extended, private taxi's available on request.

However, i see that the connection doesnot exist yet, we need a good consultant/visioner who can connect all these channels together, dont know if i am putting this correctly.

I mean the simple things like displaying sign boards on roads, garbage cans on corner of roads, waste management, clean drainage system, traffic rules and many other things..

Like, if a person from Versova wanna travel to the east coast, say Kalyan...

he would take a nice metro from versova to ghatkopar, and then..then what...get down and go where..where's the connection, he need to go down to the street level and take a cab/rickshaw to the nearest station, and then take the train...

so communication like this should be more defined, like a metro from versova to ghatkopar then an interchange on the metro to the Bus depot which takes you to a station, and then an interchange on the station that takes you to the kalyan station...something like that...

Overall on the Infrastructure end, things are going good...the metro, bus stations, train stations are being revamped, malls coming up, roads being extended, private taxi's available on request.

However, i see that the connection doesnot exist yet, we need a good consultant/visioner who can connect all these channels together, dont know if i am putting this correctly.

I mean the simple things like displaying sign boards on roads, garbage cans on corner of roads, waste management, clean drainage system, traffic rules and many other things..

Like, if a person from Versova wanna travel to the east coast, say Kalyan...

he would take a nice metro from versova to ghatkopar, and then..then what...get down and go where..where's the connection, he need to go down to the street level and take a cab/rickshaw to the nearest station, and then take the train...

so communication like this should be more defined, like a metro from versova to ghatkopar then an interchange on the metro to the Bus depot which takes you to a station, and then an interchange on the station that takes you to the kalyan station...something like that...

I guess there is a skywalk which will connect Ghatkoper Metro station to Suburban station. Its not much distance.

I guess there is a skywalk which will connect Ghatkoper Metro station to Suburban station. Its not much distance.

Yes. It is shaping up well in Andheri. There is no reason why it will not be there in Ghatkopar.

And the distance between metro and suburban station is very less. It is just like WR to CR in Dadar.

This is what I think Mumbai will have in next 10 Years

1) Metro - > Phase 1 first 2 lines would be ready. Line 3(Bandra-Colaba) may be U/C or nearing completion. There will be a Metro/Monorail form Ghatkoper to Mulund or Probably thane. Probably 1 more line at most on the eastern side may be U/C(Probality is less). Probably it may happen that more lines are needed per direction for some of the coridors(by seeing Crush Load on Line 1 and Line 2) so they may plan for going underground on those sections again. 1-2 lines of Metro in Navi Mumbai at max, that too I think Probability is not that High.
2) Monorail - First line will be running and probably 1 more line completed and 1-2 U/C
3) Suburban Rail - > All New Rakes. 6 lines on the central side and 8 lines on the western side dedicated for Suburban train. All stations connected with skywalks and some of the stations are improved. 2-3 new lines. 50 % of Subarban rails will have 12 coaches and the remaining will have 15-18 coaches. Double Decker coaches may also be arriving and changes in the infrastructure to accomodate Double Decker coaches will be commencing shortly.
4) Super talls -> Atleast 8-10 buildings >300 meters would be ready(few of them >100 floors) and another 10 U/C or nearing completion. Lot of buildings between 50-80 floors.
5) Sealink -> It will be there till Haji Ali. The further part will be U/C. Trans Harbour Link also U/C. Probably Bandra-Versova may also start construction
6) Roads -> All the Roads are already cemented long back so no issues on that side. JVLR and SCLR , Eastern Freeway are a huge success. But the cars have also increased exponentially. Lot of road widening projects, flyovers and underground roads may be happening.
7) Redevelopment -> BKC Developed completely. Some good Highrise corporate Buildings in Wadala and lots U/C. Bhendi Bazaar will be redeveloped completely and lot of Chawls/diplited buildings in Girgaum - Worli redeveloped and lots of highrises in that area. NP redevelopment will be in progress. Probably there would be a plan to expand redevelopment from NP to Fort,Churchgate and Marine lines areas . Lots of slum land in Mumbai City will be redeveloped but some more new slum areas will come up in the outskirts of MMR region(not within Mumbai city)
8) Dharavi Redevelopment -> This time politicians will take it seriously and plan for redeveloping it.
9) Airport -> T2 ready but CSIA is saturated and Navi Mumbai Airport nearing completion.
10) MMR -> It will expand on Alibaug side and also Pune side. Probably in the next decade by 2030 Pune and Mumbai will join as the Biggest Metropolitain area in the world. On western side Mumbai will expand towards Dahanu.. There will be lot more trains between Pune-Mumbai and Mumbai-Surat which can be termed as almost 1 Metro politain region and then the construction of Bullet train Pune-Mumbai-Surat-Ahmadabad will start.

10) MMR -> It will expand on Alibaug side and also Pune side. Probably in the next decade by 2030 Pune and Mumbai will join as the Biggest Metropolitain area in the world. On western side Mumbai will expand towards Dahanu..

What about Hong Kong , Shenzen , Guangzhou and Macau?

Overall on the Infrastructure end, things are going good...the metro, bus stations, train stations are being revamped, malls coming up, roads being extended, private taxi's available on request.

However, i see that the connection doesnot exist yet, we need a good consultant/visioner who can connect all these channels together, dont know if i am putting this correctly.

I mean the simple things like displaying sign boards on roads, garbage cans on corner of roads, waste management, clean drainage system, traffic rules and many other things..

Like, if a person from Versova wanna travel to the east coast, say Kalyan...

he would take a nice metro from versova to ghatkopar, and then..then what...get down and go where..where's the connection, he need to go down to the street level and take a cab/rickshaw to the nearest station, and then take the train...

so communication like this should be more defined, like a metro from versova to ghatkopar then an interchange on the metro to the Bus depot which takes you to a station, and then an interchange on the station that takes you to the kalyan station...something like that...

please

we are pathetic on infra construction.

it took us lets(or going to) see hmm 4 years to construct 11.4 km of metro rail.The design for that is a disaster waiting to happen as the stations are just too small and cramped for the type of load is expected to shed.

For all the years of stuff the BRTS has not taken off.

airport hemmed in by slums

no navi mumbai airport still.

Trans harbour link, nobody the fcuk knows.

delays in BWSL but atleast its finished.

Delays in allocation of Haji ali worli link.

Santacrz --chembur link road stuck in limbo

thane to Kurla 5 and 6 th line still not open after 10 plus years though enaring completion.

JNPT port slow to expand.

Sea ferry idea still no concrete steps.

Too many misses.


the fact is mumbai's private sector has galloped ahead.the city has strong economic fundamentals. but the infra has been woeful.

Eastern freeway the general flyover construction and monorail are the only ones somewhat on track.

and on the issue of connections.

last i looked at the map ghatkopar station is located less and 50m from Ghatkopar metro railway station.

or am i wrong?

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the + marks ghatkopar metro station.


to person from versova would take the metro to ghatkopar-walk to the station in 2 min and catch the fast train to kalyan

What about Hong Kong , Shenzen , Guangzhou and Macau?
Lets wait and watch :) Can you tell me what is the distance between the empty areas of those cities. Pune - Mumbai empty area gap is about 72 Kms and some mid size towns in between.

This thread is alive again? Anyway now it has to be Mumbai in the next 8 years.

10) [B] Probably in the next decade by 2030 Pune and Mumbai will join as the Biggest Metropolitain area in the world..

mmm, no. Like Hedonist said, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Macau and all the other cities in the Pearl River delta already make up around 80-90m. And so when the join up it will be around 120-140m.

mmm, no. Like Hedonist said, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Macau and all the other cities in the Pearl River delta already make up around 80-90m. And so when the join up it will be around 120-140m.

Will have to see the current Gaps between these cities. Do you have any Idea ?

Will have to see the current Gaps between these cities. Do you have any Idea ?

mumbai-pune is pretty near to become larger urban area,but based on their geographic locations i doubt that would be ever in reality. on the other hand i am positive towards mumbai- Ahmadabad belt by 2030-40...

mumbai-pune is pretty near to become larger urban area,but based on their geographic locations i doubt that would be ever in reality. on the other hand i am positive towards mumbai- Ahmadabad belt by 2030-40...

There is just Khandala Ghat in Between. and even as of today there is substantial population staing withing Ghats (Just travel by night and you will see lot of lights like small city) There are hotels & guest houses on Mountains that way it may become contineous but the density will be less on the ghats.
Ahmadabad is quiet far away to feel like 1 city But Surat seems somewhat realistic by 2050.

The seven islands that came to constitute Mumbai were home to communities of fishing colonies. For centuries, the islands came under the control of successive indigenous empires before being ceded to the Portuguese and subsequently to the British East India Company. During the mid-18th century, Mumbai was reshaped by the British with large-scale civil engineering projects, and emerged as a significant trading town. Economic and educational development characterised the city during the 19th century. It became a strong base for the Indian independence movement during the early 20th century. When India became independent in 1947, the city was incorporated into Bombay State. In 1960, following the Samyukta Maharashtra movement, a new state of Maharashtra was created with Bombay as capital. It was renamed Mumbai in 1995.

mumbai - next 10 years

not mumbai - last 500 years

I think there is development not only in Navi Mumbai but even the suburbs are developing.
You must have heard about A building near Borivli railway station that was sold at a whopping rate of Rs 1.5 lakh per sq ft for commercial purposes.

The government’s initiative towards Mumbai Trans Harbor Link (MTHL) will provide additional access from Mumbai to mainland at South Navi Mumbai.
I think this will not only give rise to additional traffic movement but also bring out the need for greater economic integration of Mumbai with mainland.

Worli, Lower-Parel and Sewri is developing in terms of Real estate demand.

Goregoan is already one of the popular suburbs with great demand for residential properties. With malls and multiplexes coming up in Goregoan. its been one of the best western suburbs.

All in all, Demand for Suburbs is also at its peak. Government and private builders are putting in equal effort to bring in various projects with all the modern amenities for the buyers. Mumbaikars are now moving towards all the corners of the city.

What about Hong Kong , Shenzen , Guangzhou and Macau?

There is intercity transport between these cities you mention but they are far away from becoming a one unit urban center of the world.

Mumbai needs a vision, it needs a Visionary to take this city forward.

There are some pain points, some eye sores that could be improved.
The auto rickshaws can be more regulated in certain areas, traffic lines marked on roads, Garbage waste management and hygiene on roadside vendors need to be improved. These things would make a considerable difference.

It needs resources and investments, now that Delhi CWG mess is over, the govt. should take some time on investing in Mumbai too.