Take into account the year the stadiums were built.

So before a dozen people vote for the Athens stadium because its the most modern..just have a little think.


ROME 1960
http://olympics.ballparks.com/1960Rome/aerial.jpg
Then
http://www.nycerome.com/rome-hotels-images/areas-of-rome-images/prati-area-pictures/olympic-stadium.jpg
Now

TOKYO 1964
http://www.allonsius-sport.be/fotos/eugene/stadiontokyo.jpg
Then
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/asia/japan/kanto/tokyo_olympic.jpg
Now

MEXICO 1968
http://www.olympic.org/upload/games/1968S_city.gif
Then
http://www.ee.liverpool.k12.ny.us/EE/staff/team_5/Cappelli_DC/Mexico/UniverMex/olympic.jpeg
Now

MUNICH 1972
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper441/stills/3t87878u.jpg
Then
http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/~hauler/home/Olympiastadion_low.jpg
Now

MONTREAL 1976
http://www.olympic.org/upload/games/1976S_city.gif
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pic/gal1976s_l_17.jpg
Then
http://home.348north.com/archives/montreal_olympic_stadium_may4_2002_DG-thumb.jpg
Now

MOSCOW 1980
http://olympics.ballparks.com/1980Moscow/aerial.jpg
Then
http://www.wsoccer.com/stadium/russia/spartak_moscow/spartak_moscow1.jpg
Now?

LOS ANGELES 1984
http://olympics.ballparks.com/1984LosAngeles/interior.jpg
Then
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/california/los_angeles_memorial.jpg
Now

SEOUL 1988
http://www.olympic.org/upload/games/1988S_city.gif
Then
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/asia/south_korea/seoul/seoul_olympic.jpg
Now

BARCELONA 1992
http://www.soccerstadiums.homestead.com/files/olympic_stadium2.JPG
Then
http://nebriaga.com/travel/spain/barcelona/images/pano_MontjuicOlympicStadium.jpg
Now

ATLANTA 1996
http://www.panoramicvisions.com/images/panoramics5.jpg
Then
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/stadiums/braves.jpg
Now?

SYDNEY 2000
http://www.edwinoei.luna.nl/sydney/sydney_olympic3_110700.jpg
Then
http://www.hartill.net/Sydney/Images/IMG_0149.jpg
Now

ATHENS 2004
http://media.santabanta.com/gal/sports/olympic2004/12.jpg
Then
http://www.route79.com/assets/images/030804-4.jpg
Now

Vote either on what they were back then...or what they are on like now...or both.

Same country voting is allowed, but I would prefer it if you didnt vote for your country.



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Athens 2004 Legacy – What Happened?
Posted 12:57 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

Almost one year from the start of the Athens 2004 Summer Olympic Games the legacy of the Games has not yet materialized.

The Guardian reports that rubble and garbage has taken over the entrance of the central Athens Panathenian Stadium where the 1896 Games were held.

Gypsies have reportedly camped outside the taekwondo arena and the Peace and Friendship stadium, venue for volleyball. The Schinias rowing course is covered in algae and reeds overgrow the banks.

The main Olympic Stadium has been closed for most of the past year, but has opened to the public recently because of the anniversary.

The floor of the swimming pool is covered in moss and the velodrome is empty.

The government admits it failed to draft a post Olympic plan because of efforts to get the Games ready at the last minute.

According to the Guardian no venues will be sold and they will be leased to private investors to recoup part of the cost of the Games.

Part of the equestrian centre will become a golf course and first class hotel, the canoe-kayak wild watercourse will become a water fun park and the sailing centre will be a luxury marina. Other sites will house restaurants, cafes and bars.

Culture Minister Fani Petralia told a newspaper this week, “the years lost before the Games affected planning. We built very expensive venues wherever there were free spaces exclusively for a use of just 15 days”.

But security is a positive aspect of the Games. A record $1.24 billion was used to ensure the security of the Games. Greece now sells its experience to major sports events like the 2006 soccer World Cup in Germany, the Beijing 2008 Summer Games and next year’s Asian Games in Qatar.

Of the older stadiums Montreal is the best, but over all the Athens stadium is the best designed.

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/olympic/images/81fv8038.jpghttp://www.daniilidis.gr/main/olympic/images/53907.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3695/p8290078copy1tf.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6596/athens2020043bo.jpg
http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/1413/colympics20048sg.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5314/ceremonie0bc.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4391/openingceremonyathens2004firer.jpg

well i asume that your vote didnt go for athens mo rush...

I really like the Seoul and LA ones, but they're all great. Sydney's looks better now, I like Tokyo's before though.

I voted Moscow. I especially like how it looks now. A really, really great looking stadium.

When making this thread I was so sure I was going to vote for LA 84.

But I had totally forgotten about Munich.

I voted Munich

1. athens olympic stadium
2. sydney olympic stadium
3. munich

nm

Montreal's stadium is by FAR the best!

@ Mo Rush: The Main Athens Olympic stadium is actually used quite heavily. AEK FC play football in that stadium and it hosts many other sporting events. So I dont see what use that article has.

....why play soccer in a stadium with a track....

munich:)

1960?...Why not include all the Olympic stadiums?

Munchen!!! Blows all the others (bar maybe Montreal) out the water.

Athens 2004 Legacy – What Happened?
Posted 12:57 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

Almost one year from the start of the Athens 2004 Summer Olympic Games the legacy of the Games has not yet materialized.

The Guardian reports that rubble and garbage has taken over the entrance of the central Athens Panathenian Stadium where the 1896 Games were held.

Gypsies have reportedly camped outside the taekwondo arena and the Peace and Friendship stadium, venue for volleyball. The Schinias rowing course is covered in algae and reeds overgrow the banks.

The main Olympic Stadium has been closed for most of the past year, but has opened to the public recently because of the anniversary.

The floor of the swimming pool is covered in moss and the velodrome is empty.

The government admits it failed to draft a post Olympic plan because of efforts to get the Games ready at the last minute.

According to the Guardian no venues will be sold and they will be leased to private investors to recoup part of the cost of the Games.

Part of the equestrian centre will become a golf course and first class hotel, the canoe-kayak wild watercourse will become a water fun park and the sailing centre will be a luxury marina. Other sites will house restaurants, cafes and bars.

Culture Minister Fani Petralia told a newspaper this week, “the years lost before the Games affected planning. We built very expensive venues wherever there were free spaces exclusively for a use of just 15 days”.

But security is a positive aspect of the Games. A record $1.24 billion was used to ensure the security of the Games. Greece now sells its experience to major sports events like the 2006 soccer World Cup in Germany, the Beijing 2008 Summer Games and next year’s Asian Games in Qatar.

MoRush, im sick of your propoganda and to be honest, i feel its quite embarasing for you to change your tune after the Great Athens vs Sydney thread.

You were rooting for sydney all along and now you voted Athens.
whats up with you? have youu seen the light? :lol:

Persoanlly, i dont see how people can vote against Athens (unless they vote munich). after all its an architecture forum.

1)Athens
2)Munich
3)LA Collosseum
4)Sydney
5)Soul

Worst:

Atlanta Turner Feild

to be totally honest, sydney was generic, there was noting to it. it wasnt unique. Munich looks wonderful. Athens is unique and elegant. tokyo is plain. LA looks really cool at full capacity.

Architecturally, it's Athens, closely followed by Munich with Montreal third IMO.

But like I said...take into account the year they were built.

And not all vote athens straight away because its the most modern.

Architecturally, it's Athens, closely followed by Munich with Montreal third IMO.


agree :cheers:

But like I said...take into account the year they were built.

And not all vote athens straight away because its the most modern.

incase you dont know, athens roof is one of the biggest engeniring achievments of the 21st century.

Do you know what it took to move that gigantic roof into place? the roof wasnt constructed on site, it was constructed next to the stadium, but the roof needed to be moved into place.

It's gotta be Munich. I mean the thing was built more than 30 years ago and it still looks out of this world. As a matter of fact, if it was built today it would still be groundbreaking.

incase you dont know, athens roof is one of the biggest engeniring achievments of the 21st century.

And for how long have we been living in the 21st century now? :D

I don't know why people like Montreal. It's a butt ugly stadium, the only redeeming factor is the tower which wasn't even done when MTL hosted the games.

[COLOR=Purple][SIZE=4]Tank into account the year the stadiums were built.


[B]MONTREAL 1976
http://musicm.mcgill.ca/netads/http/img/stadium.jpg
Then
http://home.348north.com/archives/montreal_olympic_stadium_may4_2002_DG-thumb.jpg
Now

[
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Actually Montreal was like this in 1976!
http://www.olympic.org/upload/games/1976S_city.gif
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pic/gal1976s_l_17.jpg

Yeah I saw whats his face say they didnt have the tower in 1976....Ah well.

Looked pretty rubbish during the olympics.

Actually,Montreal 1976 looks great inside!....Highly modern for that time....Looks better without roof!

what happened to it,


Kampflamm, i have come to the conclusion your anti-athens, if you have a problem, pm me with it and well sort it out.

your comment was uncalled for and unnessesary.

what happened to it,


Kampflamm, i have come to the conclusion your anti-athens, if you have a problem, pm me with it and well sort it out.

your comment was uncalled for and unnessesary.

:weird: It's 2005, come on putting the roof in place like that was nice but creating a glass tent, now that's something amazing.

Anyway, the entire Olympic park in Munich is pretty cool

http://www.reiseagentur.de/Travelogs/MUC/City/jpeg/0140.jpg

http://www.foto-reisen.info/fotos/Deutschland/Muenchen/800x600/IMG_0305.jpg

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/29/648329/1024_3761366564633634.jpg

the comment about the century,

:weird: It's 2005, come on putting the roof in place like that was nice but creating a glass tent, now that's something amazing.


i never once said munich wasnt amazing, infact Athens and Munich were named the two most engeneering marvels in Olympic History.

No doubt Munich is special, it looks extremely modern even for todays standards

The roof in Munich was incredible!.....Most amazing design in Olympic history and still stands the test of time!

in that case y didnt u vote for munich?

oh i know because you hate the Athens games is that correct? dont think i havnt remebered the Athens vs Sydney olympic thread....

Wow Montreal's Stadium's design is pretty advance for that year of 1976.. Im impressed... It looks even better than Sydney's and Atlanta's

thats coz atlantas is a baseball feild and sydneys is generic ;)

(Start the bashing of me...or rather continue) :lol:

Athens is so far up your arse,its poking out of your head...Why does everything you even mention HAVE to involve Athens???
Where the hell did I even mention Athens??
Get a grip of yourself mate!
All I said was that the Munich Stadium was an amazing Stadium and you then turn this into fucking Athens vs Sydney again....

no i didnt, im just a good judge of character.....

btw u still didnt answer my question, you say munich is marvelous and the best design to date but u vote sydney.....why? :?

its obvious why you made the comments.... :runaway:

There was a point in creating the poll where I thought not to include athens.

Because I know how much the stadium is raved about...I knew it was going to win.

Because I know how much the stadium is raved about...I knew it was going to win.

Don't forget all the Greeks who'd never vote for another stadium ;)

(Relax everyone, I'm not anti-Greek)

then what was the point of creating a poll? is it a crime to have a good stadium?

Don't forget all the Greeks who'd never vote for another stadium ;)

(Relax everyone, I'm not anti-Greek)

well the topic is meant to reflect the best olympic stadium, which in all honesty is athens im afraid. i dont care if its just a bowl, the roof makes it gorgeous stylish elegant and classy. what made you vote for munich?

btw u still didnt answer my question, you say munich is marvelous and the best design to date but u vote sydney.....why? :?

its obvious why you made the comments.... :runaway:

Sydney is by far the most modern,newest and technological advanced Stadium in that list.Simple as that.
Munich has nowhere near the corporate suites,eateries,restuarants,toilets etc etc that Sydney has without even mentioning the retractable seating.Thats expected considering Munich was built in 1971 and Sydney was built in 1999.

That said,Munich is a masterpiece of its time and will be remembered for that.

saying sydney is the most technologically advanced and modern in the list is stupid. sure from 1960 - 2000 but Athens shits all over sydney interms of technology. Better sound, better Screens.

dont forget, this is an architecture forum. realistically, were vote on architecture. in this case athens wins hands down.

well the topic is meant to reflect the best olympic stadium, which in all honesty is athens im afraid. i dont care if its just a bowl, the roof makes it gorgeous stylish elegant and classy. what made you vote for munich?

The fact that the roof was way ahead of its time and that it's still pretty cool looking (same can't be said of other Olympic stadiums that were built 20-40 years ago).

saying sydney is the most technologically advanced and modern in the list is stupid. sure from 1960 - 2000 but Athens shits all over sydney interms of technology. Better sound, better Screens.

dont forget, this is an architecture forum. realistically, were vote on architecture. in this case athens wins hands down.

FFS..Why bother!.... :bash:

no idea. Munich has a great roof some with Athens....does it make it a bad stadium because the roof is the best bit...no it dosent. thats y i voted Athens and Munich as best.

Munich, its just classy to me.

and i loved the Athens stadium, but not to throw more on the fire but what will the Athens Stadium look like in 30 years time.

Munich, its just classy to me.

and i loved the Athens stadium, but not to throw more on the fire but what will the Athens Stadium look like in 30 years time.

It'll probably look like what Montreal is now, innovative and unique but not spectacular like Munich is.

Well isn't that interesting... 10 of the accounts which voted for Athens were created between August 9th - 11th.

Well isn't that interesting... 10 of the accounts which voted for Athens were created between August 9th - 11th.

if this is true... then should athens olympic stadium be disqualified from stadium battles 2005??

I voted Sydney

Athens has NINE votes from users who have no posts to their name.


The mod of this forum has been pm'd by me, and I have asked him to remove the votes.

There seems to be a greek underground organisation that always votes for their own stadia or arenas, no matter what. :lol: :lol:
But seriously, if there are people who have 10 accounts only to be able to vote more often...this would be really poor...Bad loosers?! I don't know if this works however.
But I'm with eddy!

Btw. given eddys guess Munich was number 1! My favourite choice too. Classy and unique design and still up to date, even if constructed in the 70s, because until last year Bayern Munich played their home matches in that stadium. So it had to be kept up to date.

that reminds me the days before the olympics... whole greece was so happy about the olympics and so excited to watch the opening ceremonie and then.... katastroph!!!! kenderis and thanu shamed greece with their doping affair...

if there are really 9 votes wich arnt fair, please remove them... quite a shame...

:ohno: :down:

There seems to be a greek underground organisation that always votes for their own stadia or arenas, no matter what. :lol: :lol:
But seriously, if there are people who have 10 accounts only to be able to vote more often...this would be really poor...Bad loosers?! I don't know if this works

They should install a "Ignore all greeks" button on this forum, it seems like they all get up in "the red area" everytime there is a person who don't think the Athens Stadium is the eight wonder of the world. And it is just to much and is becoming :spam1: in this on the other hand great forum.

a pretty roof over an average stadium, doesnt suddenly make it great. yeh it looks quite nice, but its hardly specacular an a whole package. do this in 3 yrs time and beijing will win it. ppl only remember what was closest.

Well isn't that interesting... 10 of the accounts which voted for Athens were created between August 9th - 11th.

Why doesnt that surprise me?

Sydney is by far the most modern,newest and technological advanced Stadium in that list.Simple as that.
I agree that it's miles ahead of every other stadium on this list when it comes to technology but I do believe that in SOCOG's endevour to have the biggest ever stadium for an Olympic games, it miss the chance to build something amazing. The fact that Telstra looks better now than when it held the games is testament to that fact.

They should install a "Ignore all greeks" button on this forum, it seems like they all get up in "the red area" everytime there is a person who don't think the Athens Stadium is the eight wonder of the world. And it is just to much and is becoming :spam1: in this on the other hand great forum.

why are all your posts bashing greeks?

I agree that it's miles ahead of every other stadium on this list when it comes to technology but I do believe that in SOCOG's endevour to have the biggest ever stadium for an Olympic games, it miss the chance to build something amazing. The fact that Telstra looks better now than when it held the games is testament to that fact.

It was built that way for two reasons..Maximising revenue during the Olympics and a legacy afterwards.110,000 gave Sydney 30,000 extra seats to sell.Work the figures-Opening Ceremony Tickets averaged $1000.Times that by the Closing,around 14 sessions of athletics and a Football Final...Massive extra revenue for SOCOG and a big reason why Sydney sold nearlly twice Athens ticket sales and more than double the $$$ in sales.

It was always designed to cut back to 80,000.Thats why it looks more rounded off now than during the Olympics.80,000 is much more sustainable for a city like Sydney.110,000 with poor sighlines and a silly athletics track is not what wouldve been regarded as smart thinking.It was exactly what Sydney needed.

It looks better now because thats the way it was intended to be. in the long run,not just for two weeks.

I see the mod has removed the votes.

and i bet the mod failed to check the other nominees,

am i correct?

Well, why don't you check the other votes and send a mail to remove them if they aren't correct. That's your task.

Montreal does it for me - awesome sense of size and stunningly graceful - the best of a very good bunch :)


Athens is superb aswell, btw - stop giving the greeks such a hard time!

I don't get why Athens and Munich are winning.

I've expressed my views on Athans in another thread. And Munich, to me, looks like the same dreary bowl design you found in the prior three olympics, with a roof of household clingfilm, strapped over.
And I think it's aged terrible. It looks like the stadium and roof is full of mold, at certain angles, and the colour of the seats, oh dear Lord.

I can appreciate, that the roof, was innovative for its time, but I really don't see, what else is so great about the stadium.

Look at the firs four stadiums, including Munich. And then look at Montreal's stadium; there's a huge leap in design, even from the bowl with clingfilm that is Olympiastadion in Munich, to the futureristic looking, for 1976, that is the Montreal Olympic Stadium. Even though I'm not fond of the Montrel one.

nah its ok, i got better things to do than to go around picing on new users....

I don't get why Athens and Munich are winning.

I've expressed my views on Athans in another thread. And Munich, to me, looks like the same dreary bowl design you found in the prior three olympics, with a roof of household clingfilm, strapped over.
And I think it's aged terrible. It looks like the stadium and roof is full of mold, at certain angles, and the colour of the seats, oh dear Lord.

I can appreciate, that the roof, was innovative for its time, but I really don't see, what else is so great about the stadium.

Look at the firs four stadiums, including Munich. And then look at Montreal's stadium; there's a huge leap in design, even from the bowl with clingfilm that is Olympiastadion in Munich, to the futureristic looking, for 1976, that is the Montreal Olympic Stadium. Even though I'm not fond of the Montrel one.

obviously you hav bad taste in architecture

Because I don't like a bowls, with makeshift roofs tossed over? Hmm, fair enough, I got bad taste.

I like the roofs. I don't like them when they'er implemented into these stadiums.

[MONTREAL 1976
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pic/gal1976s_l_17.jpg
Then


.

This above pic is from the IOC.Note how they have "blurred" out the crane above the stadium!

The real pic is here
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/1081916.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEE715AC3EA0AAA1ACF4DD8D53123F15E6


Also,I notice you don't have a "then" pic during the Sydney Olympics.

Here is one
http://www.serbia-info.com/g3/images/openingceremonysydneyolympics1509.jpg

Because I don't like a bowls, with makeshift roofs tossed over? Hmm, fair enough, I got bad taste.

I like the roofs. I don't like them when they'er implemented into these stadiums.

u must because 90% of the worlds architects would disagree with you.

I don't get why Athens and Munich are winning.

I've expressed my views on Athans in another thread. And Munich, to me, looks like the same dreary bowl design you found in the prior three olympics, with a roof of household clingfilm, strapped over.
And I think it's aged terrible. It looks like the stadium and roof is full of mold, at certain angles, and the colour of the seats, oh dear Lord.

I can appreciate, that the roof, was innovative for its time, but I really don't see, what else is so great about the stadium.

Look at the firs four stadiums, including Munich. And then look at Montreal's stadium; there's a huge leap in design, even from the bowl with clingfilm that is Olympiastadion in Munich, to the futureristic looking, for 1976, that is the Montreal Olympic Stadium. Even though I'm not fond of the Montrel one.

I said before that Montreal was before its time and is probably unfairly treated.Notice it was the first to include a corporate box level and does even look modern enough by todays standards.The ugly tent like roof today just looks wrong and depressing.

u must because 90% of the worlds architects would disagree with you.

I'd say the majority, are usually the ones having bad taste.

Britney Spears is liked by the majority. Is she great art, when it comes to music?

Hollywood blockbusters are liked by the majority, are they great art, when it comes to movies?

;)

u must because 90% of the worlds architects would disagree with you.
source??

I'd say the majority, are usually the ones having bad taste.

Britney Spears is liked by the majority. Is she great art, when it comes to music?

Hollywood blockbusters are liked by the majority, are they great art, when it comes to movies?

;)

i dont no how old you are but obviously not very mature. it dosnet take a brain surgeon to know that this world is based upon opinion as opposed to facts

source??

lmao, your grasping at straws now...

i dont no how old you are but obviously not very mature. it dosnet take a brain surgeon to know that this world is based upon opinion as opposed to facts

And "it doesn't take a brain surgeon", to know, that my comment was made in humorous manor.

And on the maturity part, I'm not the one starting to take personal throws here. Implying other people's intelligence might be below par.

it dosnet take a brain surgeon to know that this world is based upon opinion as opposed to facts
Then don't attack everyone else's opinion. Not everyone shares your views that everything in Athens was built by the gods. We all have different tastes so just leave it at that.

i havnt attacked opinion, iv simply promoted the truth and the broader opinion of the Community

lmao, your grasping at straws now...
No.....You are pulling rubbish stats from who knows where....

The dull Athens concrete bowl is not exactly a stadium designers dream for the modern stadia.

i havnt attacked opinion, iv simply promoted the truth and the broader opinion of the Community

Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here, mate?

First you say, that the the world, is based on opinion, and not facts.

Then you state that you only promote "the truth"?

I voted Montreal, but I didnt know the tower thing wasnt there during the Olympics.

No.....You are pulling rubbish stats from who knows where....

The dull Athens concrete bowl is not exactly a stadium designers dream for the modern stadia.

no it isnt, its an architectural masterpeice,

your an ignorant fool for not acknowleging the roof as part of the stadium

no it isnt, its an architectural masterpeice,

your an ignorant fool for not acknowleging the roof as part of the stadium

Its a pretty roof on a very substandard stadium by modern standards.Simple as that.

If Athens is this incredible modern venue,then show me.Lets see the corporate facilities.Show me the bars and restaurants.Show us the many dining rooms and lounge areas.Show us the eateries and the food outlets.Show us the box suites and function rooms.Give us stats on how much leg room each spectator has got.Show me stats on how many toilets and what the male/female proportion is(Believe it or not,a MAJOR priority of todays stadium designs standards)
Throwing rope around a group of seats,adding a cushion or two does not make a presidential suite.

Lets see the guts of the Athens Olympic Stadium.Prove me wrong.

I was ust about to ask for interior shots....because I think we've seen enough opening ceremony pics to last us a life time.

Its a pretty roof on a very substandard stadium by modern standards.Simple as that.

If Athens is this incredible modern venue,then show me.Lets see the corporate facilities.Show me the bars and restaurants.Show us the many dining rooms and lounge areas.Show us the eateries and the food outlets.Show us the box suites and function rooms.Give us stats on how much leg room each spectator has got.Show me stats on how many toilets and what the male/female proportion is(Believe it or not,a MAJOR priority of todays stadium designs standards)
Throwing rope around a group of seats,adding a cushion or two does not make a presidential suite.

Lets see the guts of the Athens Olympic Stadium.Prove me wrong.

please check the site. its an architecture forum. i believe that there is a stadiums forum for the technical stuff. but since u asked ill get you some stats.

If you understood architecture,then you realise that the stadium itself and the interior has EVERYTHING to do with architecture and not just about a roof that looks good.That said,your beloved Calatrava is not a stadium architect and if Im not mistaken,has probably never designed a stadium in his whole career.Try firms like Arup,HOK and LOBB for true professionals in stadia design.

And finally,this is not just an architecture forum.

Calatrava is an archiect, no mtter what he designs it would be wonderful. Your Ignorant, theres nothing more to say.

I havnt seen anything special about Sydneys interior

giorgos I just got done reading this topic and do you have any idea how f@cking annoying you act?

I have nothing against you personally but why do you constantly label everybody anti-Greek and just act plain rude to people? Why can't people have differing opinions? Not everybody is the same.... Read through the topic, you go nuts on people. Sure some people are assholes at times, but just ignore them.... half the topic is nonsense and constant Athens talk.... And this trend is in most topics I have seen now. There is no need for it. You accomplish the exact opposite of what you are trying to do anyway.


And whoever (if it is true) is creating accounts just to boost votes in some uselss poll that is just for fun is a LOSER.

i hav no idea how annoying i act,

Hey does anybody have a rendering of the original Athens design? The one with the apparently really cool glass roof. I've never seen it before.

both the Munich stadium and the Montreal stadium look absoluetly stunning...

its amazing that german architects (?) were able to come up with that sophisticated design back in 1972... so cool.. :)

The olympic stadium in Munich is the most iconic of the group, in my opinion.
And gets my vote.

SEE YA!!!

Hey does anybody have a rendering of the original Athens design? The one with the apparently really cool glass roof. I've never seen it before.

Maybe it's this?

http://www.panstadia.com/vol9/93cov-sml.jpg

Agreed, girogos take it easy, you're dominating the thread kai mas kaneis rezili.

I am finding it really hard to decide between Munich and Athens. That's why I haven't voted and probably won't vote. Athens is simply breathtaking and awesome whilst Munich is probably the most innovative stadium ever created and they both compliment their surroundings perfectly, exactly what a stadium is supposed to do (green seats and all)

And as far as corporate boxes and lounges go, they do very little for me personally, especially considering that less that 10% of the spectators can access them - those elitist privelages don't really define a modern facility for me. Montreal Olympic Park is a concrete abomination as far as I am concerned, and I would look more at home in Moscow in the sixties. Sydney is probaly the most unremarkable stadium of them all - very little character. It's a shame that SOCOG opted for functionality than an iconic stadium for their city. I mean, they could have put elements of the Opera house or even the Harbour bridge in the design. So many wasted potentialities.

I also like Barcelona and Mexico - very cultural, very iconic.

this was the first draft made by calatrava. it was cancelled because there were problems with the statics....
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL85/949935/2682391/34156441.jpg

Sorry lex i didnt mean to make a rezil out of anyone,

i agree thou, Sydney has little character, thats what i couldnt put into words for some reason.

And as far as corporate boxes and lounges go, they do very little for me personally, especially considering that less that 10% of the spectators can access them - those elitist privelages don't really define a modern facility for me.Disagree...corporate suites and function rooms and other mod cons help keep the venue financially viable which is very important in modern stadia. Unfortunately bums on seats just doesn't generate enough revenue these days.

Sydney is probaly the most unremarkable stadium of them all - very little character. It's a shame that SOCOG opted for functionality than an iconic stadium for their city. I mean, they could have put elements of the Opera house or even the Harbour bridge in the design. So many wasted potentialities.Agree...in Olympics configuration but post games it's a wonderful stadium. In going for the glory of having the biggest stadium ever for an OG they missed the chance to build something amazing.

this was the first draft made by calatrava. it was cancelled because there were problems with the statics....WOW...the original roof looked amazing and much better than the current one. It's a shame they couldn't build it.

And for how long have we been living in the 21st century now? :D
.

55 and a bit months :)

Ok, first of all I am not saying who I voted for, that's irrelevant. All stadiums up for vote here have their good and bad points, no matter what they are, where they are, when they were built or what they have become.

To say one is better than another is pointless simply becuase I doubt very much that the stadiums you didn't vote for you have ever actually seen anywhere other than television or through online pictures. Until you have experienced a stadium in person, what gives anyone the right to say that "this is better than that?" Can I, living in Adelaide, Australia, say that AAMI Stadium is better than SBC Park in San Francisco when I have never been to San Francisco? Or, having never even been outside Australia say that Highbury is better than Anfield? Honestly, no, I can only comment on their looks. I can't say their architecture is better or worse nor can I comment on the atmosphere or comfort levels. It's pure speculation.

The insults flying around here about which stadium is better are somewhat pointless IMO. We each have our own views but to continually insult others for their opinions is narrow minded and not accepting that others can have different views to our own.

Now that I have that off my chest, I want to show you a picture. It's of the main stadium of the Athens Olympics in 2004, but it is before it's roof was added, which, yes I agree, was a damn good piece of engineering. But a roof being added to a 22 year old stadium does not make it the best olympic stadium ever, no matter how good the roof is. And in saying that, nor did having an extra 30,000 seats make Sydney's the best, or having the history of the LA Memorial Coliseum make it the best. I am just trying to demonstrate that essentially, all that was done was an old, boring looking 2 tiered athletics stadium was dressed up with a hat, though a damn fine one.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1183/stadiumspyroslouis0014kx.jpg

Maybe its not the best olympic stadium ever. There are some much better stadiums.But it is one of the 2 most beautifull in my opinion.

dANIEL2004, with it's roof I can't disagree with you about it being beautiful.

Have u ever go at the Athens stadium and enter,stay under this roof??Its a strange feeling...the roof is H U G E and u cannot understand the size from this fotos...but it seems to be as light as paper...Its a great mechanic achievment and gives to the stadium a monumental character,u have to see it live to understand how big is.

There is a few good one's muinich, sydney, athens but the rest look like trife. LA?

2 months later.

Bring this baby back.

Good thread we had going here.

my vote goes tio MUNICH

WHAT AREALLY NICE ROOF,,, THE BEST ONE..
second. Athens

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/12897/munich-002.jpg
http://nodens.physics.ox.ac.uk/~oi/Album/Munich/olymphall.jpg
:eek:

Today´s Olimpic Stadium, México ´68 (Also called, "estadio olimpico universitario", "la cazuela").

http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/412CU.jpg


Foto By: Carlos Oscar Ruiz

http://www.fisica.unam.mx/liquids/photos/imag/unam/estadio.jpg

And in the inauguration day:

http://www.mexicomaxico.org/CU/images/EstadioCU52a1.jpg

I voted Moscow - I dont believe any of the other stadia can facilitate a parade by a Soviet motor rifle division.

1972-Munich
http://www.stanford.edu/~ngao/Pics/Europe/Munich/images/OlympicStadium_JPG.jpg

http://nodens.physics.ox.ac.uk/~oi/Album/Munich/olymphall.jpg

1976-Montreal
http://img28.exs.cx/img28/8324/69montrealest3zj17cz.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2283/279115308d9e6f4363b7tb.jpg

1980-Moscow
http://www.jamesmiller.com/Olympic_Stadium_500.jpg

1984-Los Angeles
http://www.coubertin.com/images/users/379871.jpg

1988-Seoul
http://www.qsl.net/ve9wgs/rkstadium.jpg

1992-Barcelona
http://olympics.ballparks.com/1992Barcelona/front.jpg

1996-Atlanta
http://www.inglett-stubbs.com/images/328320olympic2.jpg

2000-Sydney
http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/110900allsportolympicstadium.jpg

http://gc.stud.tue.nl/oz/photos/nsw/0454_Sydney_Olympic_Stadium.sized.jpg

2004-Greece
http://www.bayer.cl/noticias/images_temas/019/atenas1.jpg

http://anarcoconservador.no.sapo.pt/0011_Est%E1dio%20Ol%EDmpico.jpg


2007-Rio( Pan :P)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/marcio4ever/estadio_a.gif

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/9799/fotoestadioolimpico0az.png

2008-Beijing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/Proposal11x1.jpg

2012-London
http://www.lda.gov.uk/upload/img/stadium_external.jpg

I like the fact that they are all so different from each other.

30 years later and Montreal's looks by far the best.

^i agree

What about this Stadium?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/marcio4ever/estadio_a.gif

^ Olympic stadium of Rio de Janeiro from PanAmerciano 2007.

Comparisons? Observations? Openning and Closing ceremony artistry?

Beijing's a very terrible...
Athens >> my favorit

where's peking? oh beijing........they all great :D

Athens for all of the above.

And please stop trying to get an argument started Landos. This is a subject we have gone over many a time.

I will go with Sydney for many reasons.Sydney Telstra Stadium is a modern entertainment center with cinemas suites shopping centres and so on.It is a brand new modern looking structure.On the other hand,the Athens one is an old fashioned (build in 1980) stadium without any other facilities which just has a modern roof (which i don't know how reliable it is when it's raining).As far as Beijing is concerned i haven't seen it yet.When it is be ready i ll be able to judge it.

Awww, come on Giorgos! This place needs a wake-up call. The broth doesn't taste good unless you stir it up every once in awhile!

I want to hear once again about the Sydney torch that got stuck! :)

What about closing ceremonies, .B.? Were you impressed with Sydney's efforts? If so, what in particular?

Meh............I couldn't be bothered getting in on this. We all know how it is going to end up.

How can you make this comparison when the Beijing Games haven't even started yet, and the stadium is still under construction....

Hey crappy topic.Just ignore this spammer-flamer.Let's get out of here.

If Beijing's opening ceremony is anything like a North Korean Army marching exhibition, with ICBM launchers, tanks, grinning commie leaders, I'll be there.

I'm beginning to miss the cold war and all the sabre rattling.

Beijinggggggggggggggggggg

Let's not start this shyte again . . . It's been done to death and always ends with disagreements and insults.

This thread is just another excuse for Landos to call people who don't agree with him "Anti - Greek".

Comparisons? Observations? Openning and Closing ceremony artistry?
welcome back. this is soooo last year...
mod please close this thread yesterday already.

So we're looking at comparing:

Peking
http://www.ethlife.ethz.ch/images/stadionpeking-l.jpg

Athens
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22632/24691/334269/0/OAKA+-+From+Tourkovounia+-+3+-+OAKA.jpg

Sydney
http://www.ryu.titech.ac.jp/~ysep/student/ysep2003/present/sydney/images/64c-big.jpg

Well, to be honest with you, none of those stadiums are mind bogglingly brilliant, but if I had to choose, I'd say the Athens olympic stadium is the best, just looks more original and unique then the others.

:cheers:

the interior of the athens olympics stadium look more unique than the sydney olympic stadium. the athens olympic stadium is a masterpiece as the sydney olympic stadium is more modern.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/oaka3.jpg
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/nina/images/stadium.jpg
http://www.qbtpl.net/sk/olympic_closing_ceremony_msnbc.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2598/athens2004ceremonie24mu.jpg

Such a silly question
Of Course
BEIJINGGGG !

as the years go by the olympic stadiums get better and better. but for me i would say athe not because im greek. just because they turned their rundown stadium into one of the modern wonders of the world.

Well, to be honest with you, none of those stadiums are mind bogglingly brilliant, but if I had to choose, I'd say the Athens olympic stadium is the best, just looks more original and unique then the others.

Maybe from the putside, but that really means jack all. A stadium is about, it exists because of whats inside, and whats inside Athens is just bad.

Maybe from the putside, but that really means jack all. A stadium is about, it exists because of whats inside, and whats inside Athens is just bad.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2598/athens2004ceremonie24mu.jpg
Treat your eyes....

']http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2598/athens2004ceremonie24mu.jpg
Treat your eyes....

I'm sorry but I cant say it looks that impressive.

I'm sorry but I cant say it looks that impressive.
No need to be sorry mate. You have your opinion. :)
I have mine and I think thats the best pic I have ever seen from isnide a stadium. Glorious.


http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140033.jpg

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140034.jpg

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140035.jpg

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140103.jpg

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140086.jpg

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140098.jpg

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140007.jpg

athen's stadium is just and old stadium, nothing special, but with a new and spectacular roof (anyway i don't like calatrava, as most of spanish architects..)
my favourite is beijing, a great stadium from great architects, herzog & de meuron

My goodness Mo Rush! The fireworks haven't even started yet and you're already complaining! I just want to start some intelligent debate and a little give and take. You don't have to participate if you're afraid of intellectual reparte. :)

Those pics of Athens stadium were AWESOME, Giogios! I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Calatrava designed remind me of that alien spaceship in the scifi classic, "Alien". Really take your breath away. :)

My goodness Mo Rush! The fireworks haven't even started yet and you're already complaining! I just want to start some intelligent debate and a little give and take. You don't have to participate if you're afraid of intellectual reparte. :)
we've been through this topic before.im not trying to start anything but we all certainly know where these things end up with u and its really very predictable..intellectual reparte? oh please...you ask for peoples opinions on the stadium and when they give their opinion you get angry and accues them of hating all the greeks around the world...however enjoy it

my opinion as before its a beautiful stadium at night, plonking a new roof on it makes it nothing special, stadium australia is awesome not very aesthetically pleasing, bejing is in a league of its own,the herzog de meuron design is DEF unique but its really down to personal opinion on whether you like the birdsnest or not...it seems to be making good progress...

Why dont we have a poll ??

i think i may have to agree with many on this thread that athens is all in all an old stadium but with a great roof on top however the close up exterior shots dissapoint me , never been a fan of lots of big white steel pipes. anyway i digress, i must say that the opening ceremony of athens was superb, one that is going to take alot to beat (i say this whilst forgetting those floats with the living statues on them), beijing stadium in my humble opinio may be one of the most wonderful things built in recent history, its simply stunning and is already exciting me with its under construction pictures, only time will tell regarding its ceremonies but with a corking creative team things look hopeful, sydney: great olympic park, best we have seen so far however the stadium is huge and functional but lacks that extra something.

to conclude: beijing stadium for me

Athens and Beijing for the design...these are both designed from worlwide known architects and have a special I D that makes these stadiums unique..Sydney stadium its too ordinary for me and sure the Australians had the capability to do something better..And concernig the small economical size of Greece as a country, this stadium is of a great great level and a bravo belongs to all Greeks who choose this design and not a usual and cheaper one..Even much more richer countries are too conservative to construct such an expensive stadium design. But Greece did :-)

Oh my god, not this again.......................

Not a fan of the Beijing design from day one. The lastest pictures on the construction board are doing nothing but confirming that. I understand that its exterior has never been tried before and that its cool to see something different looking built. I'll just say it; Its ugly. I'm sure its gonna be nice and modern, which is great but a bird's nest simply isn't a pretty thing in nature. I'll say that its a good thing the design had to be cut back some. The lighting had better be pretty spectacular. I think its a miss the same way the new AZ Cardinals stadium is on the exterior: Unique and cool, but...........No.

Chack this as well about athens olympic

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=341009

I think the contributions to this string have been largely mature and insightful thus far. Ok, a couple of petulant kiddies but that's to be expected. I'm looking forward to Beijing as well. I think their stadium-at least as judged by the concept drawings-is going to be really unique and an earthshaking departure from our western concepts of aesthetic design.

China is noted historically for big things-the Great Wall, the Forbidden City, the Chang Emperors tomb. Their stadium looks big and imposing in the sketches I've seen. Contrast that with the open, airy and white/blue architecture of the Athens stadium and you see the dichotomy between east and west.

Greece and China are two nations with a long history of civilization, but evolving along quite different lines of thinking. The architeture accents the differences in philosophy. Going from Athens, 2004 to Beijing, 2008 is going to be an incredible challenge to our perceptions! It's going to be great for the Olympic movement, IMO!

my opinion as before its a beautiful stadium at night, plonking a new roof on it makes it nothing special,

Visually, it does.
I dont see what you cant understand about it. The roof is part of the stadium now. Its a freestanding structure but part of the stadium as much as you hate to agree with it. And a stunning roof it is indeed, that makes it special in that the stadium is simply beautiful.

So Girgorgksdidsas, sorry cant type your name, let me get this straight, athens already had this huge stadium, but it had no roof, now they had the same amount of time to build a new one, but they decided to keep this one, put some make up on it & throw on a roof, why did it take them sooooooooooooooo long to do this?

So Girgorgksdidsas, sorry cant type your name,

That's a racist statement and has been reported. :)

That's a racist statement and has been reported. :)
I'm not racist, thats ludacris! I just asked him a question, & here in SA we dont have keyboards that allow us to type in those characters! & by the smiley do you mean you were joking? or are you happy that its been reported? I'm confused again. :gaah:

So Girgorgksdidsas, sorry cant type your name, let me get this straight, athens already had this huge stadium, but it had no roof, now they had the same amount of time to build a new one, but they decided to keep this one, put some make up on it & throw on a roof, why did it take them sooooooooooooooo long to do this?
1) The roof was constructed in UNDER 12 months, not long at all.

2) There were many decisions that needed to be made for the design as well as several POLITICAL issues within the Athens Organising Commitee.

3) In the end, the stadium and the ENTIRE Athens 2004 Olympics came out brilliantly. The stadium is a piece of art nowdays and you could only hope SA Build such architecturally pleasing structures for 2010. ;)

Dreams...

and btw, Im reporting you too.
You personally insulted both me and my race. Im sorry but are you really this dumb to not be able to spell Giorgos?

^^okay what ever, I never say that the stadium looked ugly & I never mean to insult your race, I got nothing against greeks, I actually supported Greece in Euro 04, but hey you got issues, thats not my problem. & SA will build stadiums that will capture the worlds eyes, you are being racist to think not. But I wont be a dicknut & suck my thumb while crying to go report you. So grow up & get real.

All I did was ask why it took Athens so long to build the stadium if they only have to errect a roof? If that got you all hot & botherd, its a shame, so you see you actualy the dumb one. Anyway Mo was right about Landos:

you ask for peoples opinions on the stadium and when they give their opinion you get angry and accues them of hating all the greeks around the world...however enjoy it

Go report me see if I care, I did nothing wrong. the name thing was meant as a joke, I see many people around dont have a humorous side. Its a great shame. If you want racisim come to SA about 15 years ago, then you will see whats racisim! you just mad at me because I am from SA & you live in Aus & we beat you in the greatest ODI ever! its cool I know alot of Aussies that got that grudge against us, go sing Waltsing Matilda that should calm down the nerves :D

It did take so long to do this:

The roof hangs in a giant arc of 80 m high. Each arc consists of two 3,5 m diameter tubes with a span of 304 m and support the new state-of-the-art roof. Movement of arc and roof construction weighing 8500 ton is done simultaneously using Enerpac PLC-controlled hydraulic systems with four 150 ton pull cylinders with 2 m stroke. These double-acting cylinders are attached to shoes in a sliding and guiding system pulling the arc with roof assembly step-by-step into the final position.

It took so long to build a stadium with to giant panasonic screens which can rotatehttp://photo.hankooki.com/gisaphoto/20040815/perfectsoul200408151631550.jpg

a giant hole in the middle of the stadium for this http://www.ctv.ca/mini/athens2004/static/photo_gallery/day1/image3.jpg

and to build a system which makes it possible to flood the stadium with 2.1 million litres of water... for thishttp://www.ireney.com/images/blog/olympics1.gif

this:
http://www.calatrava.info/images/buildings/olympics/complex3.jpg http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek04/tw0827/0827olym_agora.jpg

and this:
http://www.calatrava.info/images/buildings/olympics/velodrome2.jpg
http://www.calatrava.info/images/buildings/olympics/complex1.jpghttp://www.calatrava.info/images/buildings/olympics/velodrome3.jpg
http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140070.jpg
http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140090.jpg http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140076.jpg
http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140084.jpg http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140094.jpg http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140066.jpg http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2055/pb140045.jpg
http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek04/tw0827/0827olym_nationswall_b.jpg http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek04/tw0827/0827olym_velodrome_b.jpg
http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek04/tw0827/0827olym_stadium_b.jpghttp://www.cnr.edu/CNR-olympics/agora%20&%20velo.jpg

all in one this

http://daniilidis.gr/main/olympic/images/53907.jpg

http://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/national_stadium/images/stadium1.jpg

Hey Durbskfjkhj (i can't spell your name because i am not Zulu) what impressive structures have Africans built in your isolated village?I have only seen some boring mini skyscrapers which remind me buildings made by LEGO.So how can you judge some post modern pieces of art?In comparison to what?To huts?

Haha!I am very humorous!

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and btw, Im reporting you too.
You personally insulted both me and my race. Im sorry but are you really this dumb to not be able to spell Giorgos?

Greeks are a separate race now?

Anyway, this thread is worthless. Landos wants to compare the "Openning [sic] and Closing ceremony artistry" when we're still over 2 years away from the Beijing Olympics. And the Athens v Sydney issue has been debated to death. I don't see how anyone could add any new points to this discussion.

come on guys dont be so touchy...!!! Being sarcastic does not makes you a racist!!!!!....

Hey Durbskfjkhj (i can't spell your name because i am not Zulu) what impressive structures have Africans built in your isolated village?I have only seen some boring mini skyscrapers which remind me buildings made by LEGO.So how can you judge some post modern pieces of art?In comparison to what?To huts?

Haha!I am very humorous!
U see you can be dumb & funny at the same time!
.B. where are you from ? Kuvukiland?

here's a link to the Durban gallery, plenty of mud huts here, take alook, we now manage to build double storey ones.
Durban Gallery (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=232314)

I don't think i have to see anything in a village i have never heard of before.I don't care about the jungle u see.

^^What happen scared you might see something you like?

I have already seen it.Typical cheap third world construction that you can find them even in Turkmenistan

Err, as far as the event and opening/closing ceremonies go, I'm all for Athens. Altogether more memorable for me, although neither was paticularly memorable.

When it comes to stadiums, I have to pick Telstra. Telstra is by no means a beautiful stadium, and it even comes across a bit bland. But I still do not like the horror that is Calatrava's turned arc, on top of a grey Eastern European-type bowl.

Have no idea about Beijing yet.

^^Dont say bad things about Calatrava, they will start calling you a racist!

I have already seen it.Typical cheap third world construction that you can find them even in Turkmenistan
Good for you.

u racist people hahaha its all happening all over again...

^^& I had to get involved in it:ohno:

All I did was ask why it took Athens so long to build the stadium if they only have to errect a roof? If that got you all hot & botherd, its a shame, so you see you actualy the dumb one. Anyway Mo was right about Landos:
:D

Erect a roof? Only erect a roof? The roof is gigantic firstly, secondly, OAKA Was pretty much gutted to its skeleton and new facilities where built.

And SA building eye catching stadiums? Hmm, not from what I have seen here. They look blander that bland itself.

And yes, I was offended when you called me Girgorgksdidsas. Why? I guess you were implying Greeks have odd names?

Hmm, its all cool. I know who this facility belongs too.
http://daniilidis.gr/main/olympic/images/53907.jpg

Show me a better looking Olympic complex and Ill admit it.

It was an ethnic slur, it was intended as an ethnic slur and it has been reported as such. I'll leave it up to the moderating team to act on it accordingly.

As for Kampflamm, if you don't want to participate in this thread fine. Don't. Please refrain from your comments as to whether it's worthy of discussion, if you're not interested in participating. Others think it is.

What I found impressive about the Athens stadium was how it was built...how the massive roof was rolled over into place. I personally found that to be incredible.

As for Calatrava...same design over and over again. It is boring, over the top, and meant to shock or get a reaction, instead of being meaningful.

Sydney - Great looking main stadium, not bad venues for other events, nice city, good opening and closing ceremonies.

Athens - stadium is boring, except for the roof (but the roof isn't attractive), many of the other venues are very nice, but the whole construction process was rushed, nice city, and a very good opening ceremony (I didn't see the closing ceremony)

Beijing/Peking - who knows? stadium plans are pretty amazing, construction going well as far as we can determine, the city? I dunno, I've never been but I know I'd never want to, and I can see the games being controversial in light of recent human rights attrocities and the fact the government as pretty evil, I bet they don't even let the BBC, Eurosport, etc film there

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Show me a better looking Olympic complex and Ill admit it.

Not long to go ;)

http://www.lda.gov.uk/upload/img/olympic_park.jpg

Not long to go ;)

http://www.lda.gov.uk/upload/img/olympic_park.jpg
The complex dosnt look at all better than Oaka with its classy landscaping.
Sorry.

If Beijing's opening ceremony is anything like a North Korean Army marching exhibition, with ICBM launchers, tanks, I'll be there.

sounds fun:)

Does anybody else find it ironic that the next Olympics will be the "green games" in one of the most poluted cities on earth in a country that is singlegandedly damaging the earth across the entire Western Pacific region with its horrible practices?

Firstly, China is responsible for less than 15% of world pollution. Secondly, that's in glaring contrast to somewhere like the USA, which is closer to 30%. Give that China's population is more than 15% of the world's population at present, that isn't all that bad, given that it's net environmental damage is actually less per capita than many economies that don't get anywhere near as bad a rap as China does.

I'm also intruiged by what "horrible practises" you are talking about, kinda on two levels. Firstly, that energy consumption changes are synonymous with economic growth these days. Any of the current neo-classical growth models include an energy consumption parameter as a more imporant area than investment and even consumption. Give that China's economy is growing at nearly 10% per year at the minute, these emissions are almost forgivable, let alone understandable. Secondly, that much of the developed world, with specific reference to Australia and USA on this one, are involved in much worse practises, yet take very little of the flack. Basically, this is tipified by the fact that China was willing to work towards it's Kyoto targets, unlike Australia or the USA, until it [China] was forgiven their requirements, like India, under the guise of further economic development.

If you want to talk Western Pacific, maybe you should focus on Japan, which, with a much smaller population (127.5 million compared to China's 1.3 billion (in other words, about 10% of the population of China)), generates about 5% of world pollution. I'm sure you can do the maths, but in case not, that means that, per capita, the Japenese produce about 3 times as much pollution as the Chinese. Furthermore, if you take into account the relative population densities within China, you'll find that there are huge numbers, although more sparsly populated, in the south and med-west of the country, unlike Japan's population, which is concentrated entirely within the Western Pacific. In other words, only about 5/7 of China's pollution is generated within damage causing proximity of the Western Pacific.

China is not the big bad monster you're making it out to be. Where on earth do you get your information?

I'm sorry that this is my first post, but no, I don't find it ironic at all.

It's amazing how China has sole access to the world's greatest contraceptive device and yet still accounts for 15% of the world's population. Staggering.

Not necessarily. Given that something like only 72% of the Earth's surface is inhabitable, and of that 72%, China accounts for nearly 10%, the population is almost in line. It's actually India that's less understandable. 1.1 billion people is about 13% of population, yet it only covers 3% of inhabitable surface area.

Plus, there are a lot of technicalities in China's effective contraception device.

Firstly, China is responsible for less than 15% of world pollution.


Pollutiuon yes.

But no other country completely floods giant valleys to create insustainable hydro schemes that eliminate fresh water reserves. And in the process making literally millions of their people homeless and unemployed by flooding there towns permanently under 10-20m of water and taking away their access to their livelihood: agriculture.

This is being repeated dozens of times over throughout China, and has far more imminent, direct, and lasting effects that the as yet just a 'cocept' of global warming.

']The complex dosnt look at all better than Oaka with its classy landscaping.
Sorry.


xalara patrioti. To OAKA htane san erhmos. Otan fisouse aeras, htane gemato me skwni. Den eixe katholo prasinada, klp. Mi les hli8ia pragmata.

vic, first you need to have something to back you up, you can't just make up a story out of nothing. just like you previously blame china for all the pollution.

even if what you said was true, would you mind of telling me which big country that doesn't have dydro scheme.

hydropower is a clean source of energy(electricity). could you explain how a hydro schemes would have a "direct and lasting and imminent" affect of global warming. :)

But no other country completely floods giant valleys to create insustainable hydro schemes that eliminate fresh water reserves. And in the process making literally millions of their people homeless and unemployed by flooding there towns permanently under 10-20m of water and taking away their access to their livelihood: agriculture.

South Africa, The Lake Chad Surround, involving Central African Republic, Chad, Nigeria, Niger and Cameroon. In fact, failed and failing hydroelectric plants are dotted all over Africa. It's the same basic phenomenon there as well, only it doesn't get the same rap as China. Of course, the other thing is that, unlike China, the hydro-electric dams in Africa have been built from Western specifications, by Western construction firms, from Western aid relief money.

Secondly, ironic you should mention agriculture, when the expansion of certain greenhouse gases in the air (which, for the record, exists independently of global warming) also causes vast declines in agricultural yield. Further more, this also has certain effects in many other areas. Nordhaus work should see you well.

I'm not defending China, per se. I'm just saying that it is unfairly given a bad rap for its environmental record when many other areas of the world have been or are involved in activities that are at least as damaging, if not more damaging.

Finally, maybe you should look to Brazil for true environmental atrocities? Given it's relatively low greenhouse emissions, when adjusted from land usage and deforestation, it becomes the second largest source of environmental degradation in the world.

And Landos has struck again.... :no:


One sure fire way to start a flame war is to bring up Olympics in here. :lol:

Who's doing the flaming in here, Christos? Sure isn't me or Giorgos. We're discussing stadiums and taking the high road. If you're going to castigate someone instead of discussing the topic, why don't you aim your shots at those who are doing the flaming? As I always advise other Greeks, you don't win any new friends by going after your kinsmen. You know?

wow, the ignorance of youth. Come on guys I know we know better than some of this crap being posted here.

just found this forum, its a great resource and i look forward to contributing. I think judgment on Beijing has to be reserved, but it would be nice to see how the stadium's construction is progressing. Does anyone have pics ? Only seen a couple of renders on here.

']The complex dosnt look at all better than Oaka with its classy landscaping.
Sorry.

Obviously we cannot compare the two properly because London's hasnt even finished the design phase, but the OAKA landscaping was a tad dissapointing in that it looked rushed and hadnt settled in by the Olympics or the months afterwards - if anything it shows the need to prepare early like Sydneys whose olympic park though rather dull had plenty of time to mature ready for all the coverage during the games.

Back to this thread i think Beijing is likely to blow the other two out the water in its wacky attention-seeking 'iconic' design which to be honest the olympic games are all about for the host city.

Obviously we cannot compare the two properly because London's hasnt even finished the design phase, but the OAKA landscaping was a tad dissapointing in that it looked rushed and hadnt settled in by the Olympics or the months afterwards - if anything it shows the need to prepare early like Sydneys whose olympic park though rather dull had plenty of time to mature ready for all the coverage during the games.

Back to this thread i think Beijing is likely to blow the other two out the water in its wacky attention-seeking 'iconic' design which to be honest the olympic games are all about for the host city.

How did it look rushed?
I think Sydney Olympic Park is an awful choice for Oaka to mentor:

How can you say that this:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/458/syd1as.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
looks better than this:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8359/oakaworks360td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Look at the care that has been taken with the Athens Complex design.


Comeon, look at the quality of the design in the Athens Complex. I still havent seen a better looking complex at all.

the only problem with the oaka was truly that the planting and the greenery had not much time to develop... the truth is that in 3-5 years the oaka will look so much better from the air...

Oaka wasnt planned with mauch greenery at all anyway,

Calatrava wanted it to have the earth colour and not green grass.

Giorgos, those photos prove nothing.

For starters they are obviously taken by different lenses from different altitudes with different colour perception settings.

Then there is the fact that athens was taken not long after the games, so it was all made up. Whereas Sydney shot was taken years later, meaning that some of the "white elephant" venues have been modified making them appear different. Take the baseball stadium at Sydney, it was a great venue but with the folding of the ABL it became irrelevant, so it was modifed for NRL use and for use by the Sydney show.

And Sydney's grass cannot be maintained very well due to water restrictions.

The fact is its like comparing a snapshot of one supermodel in a pro-photo shoot all dressed up with make-up and the perfect light settings to another model been snapped by an amatuer on her way to buy milk from the market in her sunday morning slacks.

No comparison can be made.

1. beijing.
2. athens.
3. sydney.

Who's doing the flaming in here, Christos? Sure isn't me or Giorgos. We're discussing stadiums and taking the high road. If you're going to castigate someone instead of discussing the topic, why don't you aim your shots at those who are doing the flaming? As I always advise other Greeks, you don't win any new friends by going after your kinsmen. You know?



Give me a break.


And don't play the innocent one. You know exactly what you wanted achieve here, you have already done it numerous times in the past. Do I have to go back and find the old threads? How many times must the same thing be brought up over and over with the most useless debates, which only make you guys look like complexed, insecure, loud, rabid nationlists where nobody is allowed to have their own opinion, otherwise they must feel the "rath" of a couple of proud "πατριώτες" because somebody dares to say something bad about the Olympic stadium....

kinsmen. :|

Get off the nationlistic trip already.... It's the same gargabe, defensive arrogant Greeks, against defensive arrogant Australians, both Olympic complexes can go to hell already.

But have fun with your 3,000th time discussing this.

:applause:

As I said earlier, this topic has been discussed to death and makes no sense considering that we don't even know what Beijing's venues will look like in real life.

Christos, do you ever do anything besides go after other Hellenes? I don't recall you ever posting something substantive in any of my threads, just criticise me for starting the thread in the first place. If you don't like the topic, don't post anything. It's as simple as that. But don't shoot the messenger. Apparently the topic is interesting to some folks, since we've already gone through 4 pages in a few days-with minimal fuss, until you started in questioning my motives. If anyone is engaging in flaming-it's YOU.

I assume this is that last of your "offerings" I'll have to suffer through in this thread?

Christos, do you ever do anything besides go after other Hellenes?

No. Just you. Do you see anybody else opening these topics just to fight?


I don't recall you ever posting something substantive in any of my threads, just criticise me for starting the thread in the first place.

Do you find it merely coincidental that all of the topics you have started have ended up locked? I'm sure this one will have the same fate.

In the beginning, and long before you even came to this site, we had these arguments. We went over them and over them. I have posted all the substantial things I can post. You know what I learned in the end? Nobody cares. Because the people who post in these kind if topics, go round and round, and insult countries in such a baseless and vicious way, are infact complete idiots and are not worth the time. I remember very well the way some carried on and took cheap shots at Athens 2004, and I went blue in the face going at it with them on these forums. At this point, it's way beyond beating a dead horse. In the beginning it was all about false information. Now, it's a matter of opinions. One you can argue, the other is pesonal. If somebody doesn't like the damn stadium it's their choice.



I assume this is that last of your "offerings" I'll have to suffer through in this thread?

No, this was the last one. I am done here, so as I said, have fun. See you in the same exact topic about 2-3 months from now I guess.

Arxisa pali oi malakes na trogwntai. Eiste kseftiles

Giorgos, those photos prove nothing.

For starters they are obviously taken by different lenses from different altitudes with different colour perception settings.

Then there is the fact that athens was taken not long after the games, so it was all made up. Whereas Sydney shot was taken years later, meaning that some of the "white elephant" venues have been modified making them appear different. Take the baseball stadium at Sydney, it was a great venue but with the folding of the ABL it became irrelevant, so it was modifed for NRL use and for use by the Sydney show.

And Sydney's grass cannot be maintained very well due to water restrictions.

The fact is its like comparing a snapshot of one supermodel in a pro-photo shoot all dressed up with make-up and the perfect light settings to another model been snapped by an amatuer on her way to buy milk from the market in her sunday morning slacks.

No comparison can be made.

Nonsense.

Ok then, Heres one from google earth of Oaka UNDER CONSTRUCTION:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9717/oaka6zy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Now you cant complain at all.

You can still see that the landscaping is far more attarctive and the complex has many features like the Agora and fountains etc.

As much as you dont want to admit it, you have to admit...the sydney landscaping is poor in that it has no significant elements what so ever - and never did.

No matter of which is the best stadium, the aesthetically unificated with white elements (archs etc) enviroment of OAKA in Athens is by far the best (and sure the most expensive- I dont know if this is so good for the economy of a small country like Greece, but it is clear that Greeks wanted to do something very special for the come back of the games, while australians prefered a safer solution). The main elements are the water and the earth. Some pictures to proove it
From this old OAKA
http://www.blighvollernield.com.au/BVN/internet/site.nsf/files/OAKAMasterplan/$file/S_OAKA.jpg

To this masterpiece of the city of Athens, rebuilt for the Olympic games 2004 by Santiago Calatrava..

http://photos.expansys.us/photos/i/f/f104995023.jpg

http://k43.pbase.com/u12/nikgr/upload/37010745.Olympics06.JPG

http://www.****.gr/photo_critiques/images/amandil_OAKA_ATHENS_2004_sunset.jpg

http://www.****.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/11148/OAKA_by_night_small%7E0.jpg

http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/bonanos/OAKA/P8030009.JPG

http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/bonanos/OAKA/P8030010.JPG

http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/bonanos/OAKA/P8030008.JPG

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2004-08/13804969.jpg

http://www.edunns.net/journal/slideshow/images/stadium1.jpg

BRILLIANT!
Here is the stadium during the closing ceremony:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7536/1877lm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4466/1882fo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Fantastic.

I don't believe you're arguing over landscaping or layout.

Early last century, planners would put nice geometric patterns into their streets because they looked nice on a map, or from an aircraft. That's about all the benefits you get.

Personally, I'm more of a fan of having sporting precincts built around large pockets of parkland (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=melbourne&ll=-37.822353,144.980843&spn=0.010865,0.02459&t=k&om=1) so to have little need for landscaping jobs that sometimes are just too artificial. In the case for both Sydney and Athens, they're also quite segregated from everything else - meaning that it'll look quite dead unless there is some massive event that will use more than one stadium at a time.

But Sydney does quite well considering that Homebush Bay used to be a swamp.

The layout of Athens allows it too look busy even with more minor events like a game of basket ball in the Indoor Hall.

For my, I prefer more artificial landscaping, but thats just me.

Im not a fan of the sporting precincts wrapped in parklands but it dosnt look too bad at all.

Well, now that the whiners have left us we can go back to discussing issues!

Arxisa pali oi malakes na trogwntai. Eiste kseftiles

Someone must not have liked what they saw when they looked in the mirror this morning. :weirdo:

on the whole the athens olympic park looks amazing, more attractive than Sydney, & the layouts were perfect, anyones got that DVD of tiesto's from the opening ceremony?
I heard its quite cool.

oooh crap

de ja vu!

^^I come in peace

Same old topic......same old people.....same old result!

yeh thats wat they told me the first time I saw this thread, then I though nah, it cant be, but then it was the same old shit :)

Same old topic......same old people.....same old result!

what's the result?

what's the result?
C'mon just read the thread, you should figure it out by then

almost everyone here has its own opionion, not sure which one.
the one in london still under construction, maybe it's little bit too fast to come to the conclusion :booze:

on the whole the athens olympic park looks amazing, more attractive than Sydney, & the layouts were perfect, anyones got that DVD of tiesto's from the opening ceremony?
I heard its quite cool.
Tiesto Playing during the opening was superb and totally underrated.

Lets just say he was brilliant.

And yes, Athens Olympic Park was very beautifully layed out and beats every Olympic park ever including the proposed ones so far:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2911/complex25vl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Brilliant.

This is Athens calling!Here you are!


http://www.hoc.gr/info/periodika/6o/images/PICTURE008.jpg http://www.linkopingsfaktklubb.se/erfarenhet/bilder_aten05/PICT2074.JPG http://www.cnr.edu/CNR-olympics/fountain%202.JPG
http://arhitektura.designdestiny.net/full/_proj/olympic_stadium_athens/aosc_athens_new1.jpg http://www.aussieangels.org/img/1/5388,300,300,80.jpg http://corporate.gettyimages.com/athens2004/GalleryContent/pre-eventImagery/2864532.jpg
http://www.uksport.gov.uk/images/uploaded/51136489_main.jpg http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/29/athens_3009_wideweb__430x198.jpg http://www.csmonitor.com/blogland/oly2004/images/0825_olympic_stadium.jpg http://www.virtualtraveller.org/Olympics/closingblue.jpg http://www.cord.edu/faculty/andersod/100505Olympic.jpg
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/andersod/100505Olympic2.jpg

Same old topic......same old people.....same old result!
welcome back..u getting de ja vu just like i am? same old bowl same new roof.

Same old schtick. You guys ever come up with new material?

Athens was AWESOME. Accept it and you shall be free!

Ceremonies from Olympic and Paralympic games in Spyros Louis stadium:

http://www.fibreglassgrating.co.uk/images/installations/olympic_5lg.jpg http://www.julianscott.com/Projects/Olympics/Countdown/OlympicsCrowd.jpg http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/081404-10.jpg
http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/14/images/2004081401331901.jpg http://www.georgecostacos.com/06-Shop/Athens2004ToubisCardSM6o.JPG http://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/other_sport_paralympic_highlights/img/1.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095471530.jpg
http://www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Media/Special_Features/wallpapers/photos/opening_ceremony_1024_768.jpg
http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095471105.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095471172.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095471271.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095470647.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095470684.jpg http://www.virtualtraveller.org/Olympics/opening1.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095470799.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095470722.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095470835.jpg
http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095471001.jpg http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/uploads/post-69-1095470870.jpg http://www.mit.edu/~tzeranis/p06bs.jpg
http://www.dataton.com/stories/images/Olympics.jpg http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/14/a7_gallery__550x415.jpg http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/14/a12_gallery__550x356.jpg
http://gallery.allindiansite.com/olympics_2004/15.jpg http://www.vivianvrusselltravel.com/images/Oly_close.jpg http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper649/stills/89kx7pcj.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/14/xinsrc_41080114074604563995.jpg http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2004/0408/olyopener81404.jpg http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/14/xinsrc_400801140746134210343.jpg http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/14/xinsrc_390801140746723148082.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/14/xinsrc_40080114074658575424.jpg http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/04/olympics/oc/images/o-18.jpg

Same old pics

The "Olympics" argument has been done to death. What matters now is the legacy left behind and Telstra Stadium is a much better venue post Olympics after the temporary end stands were removed.

TS during the WC qualifier - Aus v Uruguay...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/Hornet/theanthemsm.jpg

- Capacity 83k with talk of expansion to over 85k
- Retractable seating to accommodate ALL sports
- World class corporate facilities
- Excellent spectator sight lines and amenities

The roof was designed in such a way that a running track can be added to accommodate a retractable roof in future.

welcome back..u getting de ja vu just like i am? same old bowl same new roof.
hmm, and much can be said about the South African stadiums for WC 2010? :dunno:

Actually, alot can be said....but not much good at all.

The "Olympics" argument has been done to death. What matters now is the legacy left behind and Telstra Stadium is a much better venue post Olympics after the temporary end stands were removed.

TS during the WC qualifier - Aus v Uruguay...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/Hornet/theanthemsm.jpg

- Capacity 83k with talk of expansion to over 85k
- Retractable seating to accommodate ALL sports
- World class corporate facilities
- Excellent spectator sight lines and amenities

The roof was designed in such a way that a running track can be added to accommodate a retractable roof in future.

Situated in the superb Sydney Olympic Park,surrounded by Bicentennial Park,Millenium Parklands and the Parramatta River.
http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/3482/homebush3de.jpg

stadium Beijing, closing ceremony Athens, openning ceremony Sydney for sure...

Same old schtick. You guys ever come up with new material?

Athens was AWESOME. Accept it and you shall be free!
Just what are you guys trying to prove anyway? fine Athens was AMAZING! we know that now, you guys brainwashed us so much already!

When the world saw Sydney, they thought nobody could be better, but then came athens & blew Sydney away, wats stopping Beijing from doing the same to athens? You guys are just scared that Beijing will knock the socks of your'll, just shut up & be happy that your'll had a successful Olympics because the ones to come are & will be better! Remember you not the only ones that watched the opening & closing ceremonies we all did.

']hmm, and much can be said about the South African stadiums for WC 2010? :dunno:

Actually, alot can be said....but not much good at all.
Bro I am not even going to waste my time with this one, just wait & see.

World Cup 2010 already dwarfing World Cup 2006 in terms of revenue
Wednesday, 12 April 2006
FIFA president Sepp Blatter said today that deals for the 2010 World Cup to be held in South Africa are already 25% bigger than the deals done for the World Cup to take place in Germany this summer.

"The market trusts Africa," Blatter said. "The contracts we have already signed for 2010, they are higher than the contracts for 2006 in Germany - about 25 percent."

Agreements with five strategic partners for 2010 are already valued at more than 1 billion Swiss francs (about $770 million) which dwarfs the 850 million francs done for 2006 with 15 companies.

FIFA won't go into too much detail because partnership deals are concluded on terms of confidentiality. A new, sixth tier sponsor for the 2007-2014 period is also expected.

"They don't know who is going to play in Africa, because the qualification is not made, but they trust Africa" Sepp Blatter went on.

this is great news for South Africa and is sure to spur on Danny Jordaan to make sure he doesn't mess it all up. Egg on face would be an understatement if he can't get this to work.
Source (http://www.worldcup2010southafrica.com)

Just what are you guys trying to prove anyway? fine Athens was AMAZING! we know that now, you guys brainwashed us so much already!

When the world saw Sydney, they thought nobody could be better, but then came athens & blew Sydney away, wats stopping Beijing from doing the same to athens? You guys are just scared that Beijing will knock the socks of your'll, just shut up & be happy that your'll had a successful Olympics because the ones to come are & will be better! Remember you not the only ones that watched the opening & closing ceremonies we all did.
Durbs, I think that Beijing will blow Athens out of the water just as Athens blew sydney and sydney blew Atlanta.

The reason is Mo Rush is in total denial about the entire Athens 2004 games and thats what Landos is refering too.

Im over the moon about Athens 2004, but it gets annoying when you have people like Mo RUsh going out of there way to bash Athens especially since it was unprovoked.

']Durbs, I think that Beijing will blow Athens out of the water just as Athens blew sydney and sydney blew Atlanta.

The reason is Mo Rush is in total denial about the entire Athens 2004 games and thats what Landos is refering too.

Im over the moon about Athens 2004, but it gets annoying when you have people like Mo RUsh going out of there way to bash Athens especially since it was unprovoked.

I fully understand what you trying to say, If I were living in Greece/Athens I would also be exstatic to see my city pull of such an amazing event, & until its beaten by another country, will also try to do my best to advertise what we have achieved but the point Mo is trying to drive home here, is that your'll did have previous threads of such nature which didnt make out for happy reading where by alot fighting took place & so on which he saw starting up in this one, maybe if we keep it clean all that crap wont happen but there is no garunteeing that.

oh & another reason why Mo might be bitter with you is becuase Athens stole Cape Towns lime light when they won the bid for 2004, I promise you everyone thought Cape Town had it in the bag, but then when the decision was made, all in SA were totally shocked. So that could be a reason.

OAKA had fully renovated for the Olympics. Is here anyone so silly to believe that the International Olympic Comitee would allow to take place the olympics in a stadium which would have not included the most modern needed facilities inside??????????? Dont be arrogant, the shape of OAKA is simple but it has exactly what Telstra had for the games and what Beijing stadium will have for the Olympics. Plus, the most expensive roof in history...

OAKA had fully renovated for the Olympics. Is here anyone so silly to believe that the International Olympic Comitee would allow to take place the olympics in a stadium which would have not included the most modern needed facilities inside??????????? Dont be arrogant, the shape of OAKA is simple but it has exactly what Telstra had for the games and what Beijing stadium will have for the Olympics. Plus, the most expensive roof in history...
oK relax now, take a deep breath, go take a dump, that may help to releave the stress.

oK relax now, take a deep breath, go take a dump, that may help to releave the stress.
Instead of being overwhelemed by such an accurate comment that you have to result to total crap, why dont you either reply with a feasable argument or not reply at all?

Ill extract the facts of that post for you:

IOC wouldnt allow the stadium to be as bad as you people make it to be
Dont be Arrogant
The Shape of OAKAs interior is Simple
It has the equal facilities of Sydney if not better
Was crowned with the most expensive roof ever built

Now please dont post if you have nothing constructive to say.


IM sorry Mo feels raw about being beaten by Athens, but atleast you can say they where beaten by a better city. :cheers:

']IOC wouldnt allow the stadium to be as bad as you people make it to be
I don't think anyone is saying it's bad . . . just basic. Apart from the roof, it got new seats and a paint job but that's all you really need in an athletics venue.

']It has the equal facilities of Sydney if not better
Telstra Stadium is miles ahead of OAKA when it comes to facilities whether corporate or spectator but you would expect that from a modern day stadium.

Navy, I didnt 'write' that, I extracted it from Daniels post ;)
Personally, I think Sydney would have better facilites, but not miles ahead.

Like daniel said, do you really think IOC would accept such an outdated stadium the way some people are making it out to be? No way in hell.

Well the Sydney Superdome is the 2nd most profitable venue in the world after Madison Square Garden.

http://utvinternet.com/newsroom/ind...sp?id=9854&pt=e

Next month it could be named best in the world after being shortlisted as International Venue of the Year in the Pollstar Concert Industry Awards.

Among those it is competing against are the Sydney SuperDome, Auditorio Nacional in Mexico, Coliseo de Puerto Rico in Jan Juan and, nearer home, Wembley Arena and Manchester Evening News Arena - all contenders in the International Large Venue category.

SuperDome is world's No 2 money maker
SMH. Jan 30

Australian singer Delta Goodrem, rock band Motley Crue and the divine Miss M, Bette Midler, are all responsible for helping the Sydney SuperDome being named the second highest grossing arena in the world.

US music magazine Billboard acknowledged the success of the Sydney SuperDome for its $50.2 million gross ticket revenue throughout 2005.

The concert venue came second to Madison Square Garden's enormous ticket revenue of $100.4 million.

In a year of A-list music name dropping, the arena showcased the talents of many international acts including The Eagles, rockers Green Day, Rod Stewart and Seattle band the Foo Fighters.

Crowds also queued to catch a glimpse of their favourite performer at the 18th annual Australian Record Industry Association Awards held on October 23 last year.

The SuperDome just edged out California's Arrowhead Pond Arena in Anaheim which grossed $48 million.

This is not the first time Sydney's premier indoor arena has been noticed.

In July 2005, Venues Today, another industry based magazine that tracks box office revenue, placed the SuperDome in the top spot at the end of June last year.

Sydney SuperDome CEO David Humphreys said he was honoured the venue had taken out second place in Billboard.

"It is great to be recognised on the global stage by industry colleagues," he said.

"This is a direct result of staff that go that extra bit further for clients and patrons. They are very proud of this achievement."

The SuperDome has also been nominated for the International Large Venue of the Year.

This will be the second time after being nominated in 2002.

The Pollstar Concert Industry Awards will be held at The Theatre at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas on February 15.

I have been to Sydney Superdome many times and it is so versatile venue. It caters to so many markets such as a major dance party, concerts, theatre, performance arts, conventions and sporting.

Yep, the Superdome is very famous IMO.
I hear about it alot from Adelaide just as much as Madison.

Sydney also had a better swimming facility than Athens.

']Instead of being overwhelemed by such an accurate comment that you have to result to total crap, why dont you either reply with a feasable argument ...............................

What the guy was hyperventelating, it was quite obvious, like he spilled his guts in that one post.

What the guy was hyperventelating, it was quite obvious, like he spilled his guts in that one post.
And you replied to him because...?

^^to clam him down.........duh?

look if you read my previous post before that one, you will see what I mean, I got nothing against anyboady or any stadium, you guys gotto take it easy, this is just a Forum, not the UN.

^^to clam him down.........duh?

look if you read my previous post before that one, you will see what I mean, I got nothing against anyboady or any stadium, you guys gotto take it easy, this is just a Forum, not the UN.
i didnt say u had anything against it. but mo does

^^Okay we cool now?

More Sydney!
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2633/00003585220431je.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/286/img01552pm.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9493/kw7b3t3yjo5cggawallpaper0100xc.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3448/pana1pb.jpg

Yes we are.

Great pics Ex :okay:

I fully expect Beijing will blow everybody else out of the water with their venues. And that's the way it should be, every Olympics better than the last one. Also, the Chinese have a lot of racial pride with their long history. They want to show the world what they are capable of. People motivated like that usually accomplish great things.

But, I still maintain that-for a small nation-Greece blew everyone out of the water with the Athens games. Nobody expected anything, yet they delivered and delivered BIG. Frankly, I was totally awestruck with how well things came off and given all the concern for security post 9/11. Both the openning and closing ceremonies were very tastefully done, IMO. Only thing missing was a shrimp riding a bicycle.

But, I still maintain that-for a small nation-Greece blew everyone out of the water with the Athens games. Nobody expected anything, yet they delivered and delivered BIG. Frankly, I was totally awestruck with how well things came off and given all the concern for security post 9/11. Both the openning and closing ceremonies were very tastefully done, IMO. Only thing missing was a shrimp riding a bicycle.

Yes, you have given us your opinion time and time again and its yours and we accept that.

If your looking for a flame war, dont bother.
You cant tailor everyones opinions to your tastes.
Some people like Athens, some people prefered Sydney, some think Beijing will blow everyone else out of the water. I believe the latter.

Now let this thread die. Its un productive and we are seeing pics we have seen 100 times over.

I can't stand Australians or Australia and was willing their Olympics to fail but I think if we were all honest and we could put national preferences aside for one moment then every single one of us would have to admit the Sydney Games were superior to the Athens Games in pretty much every way. Sadly.

I can't stand Australians or Australia and was willing their Olympics to fail but I think if we were all honest and we could put national preferences aside for one moment then every single one of us would have to admit the Sydney Games were superior to the Athens Games in pretty much every way. Sadly.
No, thats your opinion.

I found them superior in only a few ways.
I found Athens was better overall.

I can't stand Australians or Australia...

That's not generalist or unreasonable at all

lol...
He made up for it for praising Sydney 2000 ;)

A big feature of Telstra is the abilty to play on an oval shaped field one day and rectangular shaped field the next.In less than 8 hours,the shape of the ground can be quickly changed between oval/rectangular with the use of retractable seating.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1576/tigers1rg.png

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8928/stelstra20stadium20026ae.jpg

^^impressive

looks great!
I cant figue out how retractable seating works. Does it increase/decrease capacity by a bit?

According to the Telstra Stadium website,the capacity in Rugby/Football mode is 83,600 and in AFL/Cricket mode 81,500.
http://www.telstrastadium.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=1.117
The drop in capacity is due to the retracted seating creating restricted viewing areas.

http://courses.arch.hku.hk/precedent/2000/sydneystadium/web/mode_ruby.jpg

http://courses.arch.hku.hk/precedent/2000/sydneystadium/web/mode_afl.jpg

oh I see now. I figured there would be some seats out of viewing rage.
Basic but very Clever.

']oh I see now. I figured there would be some seats out of viewing rage.
Basic but very Clever.

Yes it is the best of its type in the world no doubt. But it still suffers from the horrible "oval" shape (more like a cigar, with bad dimensions) in oval mode and oval ends in rectangle mode.

But still, it is a great feature. What lets TS down is its shocking stand layout, those ends are pathetic.