Dupnica, an example for Bulgaria

[radi6404]

Today I was in Dupnica because i went to a Rila mountain slope near there which I will show in the Rila mountain thread. Anyway I was blown away that all roads were fixed, all sidewalks were new, signalisation was great and abondoned, no sign was rusty, in Blagoevrad all signs are rusty. The Busstation was awesome, trafficlights were new and with noise signalisation, many small streets were also fixed and and and. Unfortunately I´ve only taken few pics but they speak for themself.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8514/1010272to6.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/759/1010271lz6.jpg
Great white tiles, not communist sidewalks. I walked 3 km in the town and didn´t steep on one single communist third world 6 angular plate.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7027/1010306ho2.jpg
If you turn right at the junction there, the next 2 km til the end of the town continues a great road with dark aspahlt, awesome sidewalks, and not faded out markings. IF you turn left you enter a very shiny bridge wtih very shiny railings and crashbarriers.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3420/1010304yb4.jpg
Just look at the amazing and clean sidewalk, only the rust railings could be replaced, but in Blagoevgrad and other Bulgarian towns everything is rusty and dirty and ugly.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1197/1010275jb3.jpg
yawm

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6471/1010305ek0.jpg
This is the main road going to the station and busstation which are 1 km away from there, on that pic it is in it´s worst condition in the whole town, if you go further to the Busstation it looks more impressive, that´s what I mean.

[radi6404]

Would anyone post a comment here already?

[Turnovec]

I would post couple of sentences only. Please take some time to move out of your hole and see some other than Blagoevgrad, Dupnica and Rila places in Bulgaria.

Take a look at the photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23313236&postcount=63) i posted couple a days ago from Veliko Tarnovo for example :okay: Dupnioca is no where near to an example for me ...

Много ти е ниска камбанарията там на село ради, че да генерализираш за цялата държава.

[JloKyM]

It looks good, but nothing special. I've seen better streets in almost every bulgarian city.

[radi6404]

Bollocks, bullshit, crap, Turnovec I have seen many towns in Bulgaria and most where shitholes just like Blagoevrad, you can´t tell me that there are many towns in Bulgaria with ALL mainroads in very good condition.

[radi6404]

It looks good, but nothing special. I've seen better streets in almost every bulgarian city.

:lol:

[JloKyM]

:lol:
For example Stara Zagora, stupid..EVERY single street in the center is reconstructed!!! Smooth, dark asphalt, fixed sidewalks and perfect public parks.

[Turnovec]

Bollocks, bullshit, crap, Turnovec I have seen many towns in Bulgaria and most where shitholes just like Blagoevrad, you can´t tell me that there are many towns in Bulgaria with ALL mainroads in very good condition.

How about those photos below ?

Bollocks, bullshit and crap is 99% of all your posts and new threads around SSC, nothing else... :clown:


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/VT22.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/VT13.jpg

[Turnovec]

^^ :lol::lol::lol:

[JloKyM]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/various/1010271lz6.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/various/1010304yb4.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/various/1010305ek0.jpg


Dupnica rulzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[wyqtor]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6471/1010305ek0.jpg


What's up with the uncut weeds in the right of the picture? :ohno:

Dupnica looks just like my hometown of ~10 000 inhabitants before the new mayor was inaugurated! Now they cut the grass and it doesn't look like a village in the middle of the savanna anymore!

[radi6404]

What's up with the uncut weeds in the right of the picture? :ohno:

Dupnica looks just like my hometown of ~10 000 inhabitants before the new mayor was inaugurated! Now they cut the grass and it doesn't look like a village in the middle of the savanna anymore!

Here in Bulgaria they don´t cut grass anywhere, I could psot Blagoevgrad pics with grass aynwhere in the whole town.

[radi6404]

Are you kidding, the roads you posted look shite, the Dupnica roads are way better.

JloKyM, in your towns I am sure I would find countless such things, do you know how it is in Blagoevgrad, and in any toher Bulgarian city ecept a few? The condition of the whole towninfrastructure matters, not a 20 m section so shut up man.

In Blagoevgrad nowhere on the road I can read the word Bus, in Dupnica at various places, that are things I like. All markings are fat, signs are awesome, that´s what matters.

[JloKyM]

Are you kidding, the roads you posted look shite, the Dupnica roads are way better.

Comment my pictures!! :lol:

[Turnovec]

Here in Bulgaria they don´t cut grass anywhere, I could psot Blagoevgrad pics with grass aynwhere in the whole town.



Yep, we believe you. The grass below is not cut at all!!! :yes:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/VT4-2.jpg



From your words, and generalizations Blagoevgrad seems to be worst than this :lol:

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/newsletter/images2007/2007-03_Robbo-RoadsideStopLagos.jpg

[radi6404]

Turnovec, aktually the grass isn´t cut at all there between asphalt and borderstones. that´s what Wiqter was talking about, not about the big meadows, I saw such in Dupnica aswell, next time I go there I will take pics.

JloKyM, you didn´t say that, but better average renovation than no renovation at all, or not?

[JloKyM]

JloKyM, in your towns I am sure I would find countless such things, do you know how it is in Blagoevgrad, and in any toher Bulgarian city ecept a few? The condition of the whole towninfrastructure matters, not a 20 m section so shut up man.


Sorry, I dont have my own towns.. The idea of my pictures was to show you that Dupnica is not unique and the quality of the renovation is not that high.

[radi6404]

Turnovec, aktually the grass isn´t cut at all there between asphalt and borderstones. that´s what Wiqter was talking about, not about the big meadows, I saw such in Dupnica aswell, next time I go there I will take pics.

JloKyM, you didn´t say that, but better average renovation than no renovation at all, or not, eh?

[radi6404]

I don´t talk about the people there, they might be crap but that´s not the topic here. The people on the street were friendly and tried to help to navigate me.

[JloKyM]

Turnovec, aktually the grass isn´t cut at all there between asphalt and borderstones. that´s what Wiqter was talking about, not about the big meadows, I saw such in Dupnica aswell, next time I go there I will take pics.

JloKyM, you didn´t say that, but better average renovation than no renovation at all, or not, eh?

Dupnica is everything else but not a criteria for comparison..Just 2 words - Galevi brothers..No thanks.:ohno::nuts:

[radi6404]

The poeple from where arne´t the topic here. The people on the street were firendly and helpfu.

[Turnovec]

^^ Най-важно е пАри за кръкАнье :lol::nuts::lol:

[radi6404]

All my pics are examples. Since this is not standard in Bulgaria,

[mdka]

Can somebody tell me where and whats the example that Dupnici is giving to BG,Radi?

[bgrs]

Dupnica isn't even on the Struma highway...how the hell could someone praise that god-forgotten province :D

[Stinger]

How can you compare the infrastructure of a small depopulated town with other cities? You don't have neither the traffic, nor the bigger number of people which lead to a rapid wearing of the infrastracture.

[radi6404]

Dupnica isn't even on the Struma highway...how the hell could someone praise that god-forgotten province :D

That´s the dumb kid mentallity all Bulgarians have. I praise it because the major managed to get money to improve the town infrastructure, and how a town looks is the most important thing. Not what dumb people talk about the town. Because good people can be found in any town, a nice townscenery not, only if the townscenery in the town is nice I can feel good there, if not I have depressions. But people like you would take everything and even praise it, you would never complain if a town hasn´t proper infrastructure. You are really that blinded and spread boolock that Blagoevgrad roads are ok altough they are anything than ok so it´s a waste of time to explain this to you. You care that the American University is there, but the American university isn´t all that prestigious and shiny. The qualification from there might be good, but if you think everything goes well and smooth there you are rediculous. In the ELI they use casette recorders to play the tapes, in Germany they use DVDs for that. The sidealks are dirty and dusty. The buildings are also dirty and dusty, some are dirty from inside. And I know you all adore the American university, it is a good university and the education is very good, but the campus is subaverage.

[bgrs]

So Dupnica is unique because the mayor somehow improved the infrastructure? Oh, I forgot...Sofia is unique as well because BB is the mayor :)

[Turnovec]

Bin Radin кмет in english is mayor, not major ...:bash::bash::bash:

and this below is an avarage street with bad infrastructure in Blagoevgrad. there are streets in teh town even worst than that, am i right Bin Radin ?

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/newsletter/images2007/2007-03_Robbo-RoadsideStopLagos.jpg

[JloKyM]

Turnovec, I caught you!!!!:lol:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/2007-03_Robbo-RoadsideStopLagos.jpg

[just4ivaylo]

Good job JloKyM. Did you realize that the man in that picture was too black to be Bulgarian, or even a gypsy? :D

[Turnovec]

Turnovec, I caught you!!!!:lol:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/2007-03_Robbo-RoadsideStopLagos.jpg

That is some visitor from one of the neighbouring countries , admiring the beautiful view :lol:

[JloKyM]

That is some visitor from one of the neighbouring countries , admiring the beautiful view :lol:

In the bottom of the picture we can see the amazing Struma highway as well. :lol:

[bulgrai]

The photo attached is from Lagos. This photo is from a third world country. ( Note for some ' people that may actually think that this photo really is from BG)

[just4ivaylo]

That was going to be my guess. Notice the oil trucks and the Maersk container.It's a shipping company that does its business by sea. :)

[JloKyM]

( Note for some ' people that may actually think that this photo really is from BG)

And these people are??:nuts:

[insertnickhere]

Dupnica has a perverse police dept.. try riding with tint through there. I avoid it like the plague.....

[radi6404]

since I havn´t done something bad I am not affraid of the police. I will go there take photos of the whole twon infrastructure. A bad thing ofcourse is that there is very high crime rate in Dupnica, I admit that´s not ok but we were talking only about the town infrastructure.

[just4ivaylo]

And these people are??:nuts:
People from Google that won't take the time to think through what we're saying.

[radi6404]

Stop spamming, I request all offtopic posts be deleted from this thread.

[insertnickhere]

since I havn´t done something bad I am not affraid of the police. I will go there take photos of the whole twon infrastructure. A bad thing ofcourse is that there is very high crime rate in Dupnica, I admit that´s not ok but we were talking only about the town infrastructure.

public services come with the town infrastructure

[Anto.]

Whats wrong with the hexagonal pavement tiles?

[radi6404]

It´s jsut uber ugly.

[Anto.]

I completely disagree. I think its just one of those little details which makes Bulgaria unique, but I get the feeling most people on here just want Bulgaria to look like the rest of Europe.

[radi6404]

I at least want Bulgaria to look like any developed western european country.

[Anto.]

ok fair enough, you live there. I want it to look how I remembered it before I left.

[MystN]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:

Dupnica! The new obsession of Radi! :nuts:

[radi6404]

Wiqter I will never speak with you again man, you talk bullshit that Dupnica looks like a village in the Savana with no reason atluogh you live in Romania where most roads suck and see here in Dupnica all roads fixed. You are too patriotic, I once said something bad for Romania in a thread and your compatriots imediatelly jumped to protect it, I don´t remember if you have posted somethign aswell there. I jsut talked with a British friend and semt him the Trainstation pic of Dupnica and he said it looks very clean. He even asked if the town is a tourist town. And you want tell me that looks like Savana. ROFL

[avtomat]

^^ I suggest we make a book with some of Radis posts called "The Best of Radi" :lol: Think it will be very sucessful :lol:

[svet01]

I was also in Dupnitsa recently. Fine, they did fix the station and 3 streets. The town is still crappy and mafia-run.

Go to places like VT, Varna, Plovdiv, Kazanlak, Silistra --- they're all doing well. I'm sure there're other towns in BG that are also; I just haven't been there. Only Sofia is lagging behind. I'm not denying that there're new things built there but Sofia is the capital. With an able mayor it could look like any nice city in Austria or Hungary. :ohno:

[[s2jc]hyp]

Hungary has 1 nice city which is considered the most beautiful in Europe by some which Sofia is far away from. The second Hungarian city Debrecen which I'm sure is smaller than Burgas and is nothing of great interest. Sofia is way ahead of it. Not to mention the 3rd and so on....

PS. that's what cracks me up about that little country with tiny cities is that richer than us... sorry for the OT

[bulgrai]

Hungary has only Budapest. Hungary's tourism is centered mainly in the capital because they don't have any other interesting cities or historical sites. So that's why I think 'svet01' made a bad comparison

[bgrs]

I don't agree. Szeged for example is quite a nice city even though it's not quite a tourist attraction. Anyway it looks much better than most BG cities.

[[s2jc]hyp]

never even hear of it. it might be a city of 20 000 ppl better than GO of the same caliber but not like Varna or Ruse for example

[svet01]

Hungary has only Budapest. Hungary's tourism is centered mainly in the capital because they don't have any other interesting cities or historical sites. So that's why I think 'svet01' made a bad comparison

hyp;23509334']Hungary has 1 nice city which is considered the most beautiful in Europe by some which Sofia is far away from. The second Hungarian city Debrecen which I'm sure is smaller than Burgas and is nothing of great interest. Sofia is way ahead of it. Not to mention the 3rd and so on....

PS. that's what cracks me up about that little country with tiny cities is that richer than us... sorry for the OT



This reminds me of a conversation about Americans I had with a guy in Sofia recently:

ME: hodi li ti se tam da uchish?
GUY: ne, zashtoto ne haresvam amerikantsite.
ME: zashto?
GUY: 'shtot sa tapi i mnoo se smjatat za veliki.
ME: kolko poznavash?
GUY: mi nikakvi

I guess I didn't say what I thought because he continued talking to me.

Back to the actual topic, Hungary is full of historical cities and towns, better preserved than our's, and a city being smaller doesn't mean it's less interesting. Just like Rome is not a worse city than Beijing, Debrecen is far far more beautiful than Burgas or many other cities here, for that matter.

Debrecen:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/DebrecenDowntown.jpg/800px-DebrecenDowntown.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Universitidebrecen11.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Debrecen-nagytemplom2.jpg/800px-Debrecen-nagytemplom2.jpg

etc etc etc.
Hubavo e da sme patrioti no ne i da govorim neverni neshta, imo.

[radi6404]

I was also in Dupnitsa recently. Fine, they did fix the station and 3 streets. The town is still crappy and mafia-run.

Go to places like VT, Varna, Plovdiv, Kazanlak, Silistra --- they're all doing well. I'm sure there're other towns in BG that are also; I just haven't been there. Only Sofia is lagging behind. I'm not denying that there're new things built there but Sofia is the capital. With an able mayor it could look like any nice city in Austria or Hungary. :ohno:

IN FUCKING BLAGOEVGRAD NOT ONE SIGLE STREET IS REPAIRED YOU FOOLS, SO DON´T TALK FUCKING BOLLOCKS, NOW YOU WILL SEE HOW ENTIRE BLAGOEVGRAD LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER A WAR.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8557/1010307qx8.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1010308we1.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1010309gs6.jpg
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JUST LOOK, THE WHOLE TOWN LOOKS LIIKE THAT, JUST LOOK HOW DUSTY THE STREETS ARE AND HOW FADE OUT THE MARKINGS AND THE FUCKING UGLY THIRD WORLD 6 ANGULAR TILES, SORRY FOR THE RUDE LANGUACE BUT I AM REALLY TIRED OF YOU ALWAYS NOT APPRECIATING THINGS DONE IN A TOWN BUT PRAISE TOWNS WHICH LOOK AFTER A WAR AND SAY THEY HAVE ONE UNIVERSITY, GREAT TOWN, HOW CAN YOU TALK SUCH BOLLOCKSß.

[svet01]

IN FUCKING BLAGOEVGRAD NOT ONE SIGLE STREET IS REPAIRED YOU FOOLS, SO DON´T TALK FUCKING BOLLOCKS, NOW YOU WILL SEE HOW ENTIRE BLAGOEVGRAD LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER A WAR.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8557/1010307qx8.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1010308we1.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1010309gs6.jpg
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JUST LOOK, THE WHOLE TOWN LOOKS LIIKE THAT, JUST LOOK HOW DUSTY THE STREETS ARE AND HOW FADE OUT THE MARKINGS AND THE FUCKING UGLY THIRD WORLD 6 ANGULAR TILES, SORRY FOR THE RUDE LANGUACE BUT I AM REALLY TIRED OF YOU ALWAYS NOT APPRECIATING THINGS DONE IN A TOWN BUT PRAISE TOWNS WHICH LOOK AFTER A WAR AND SAY THEY HAVE ONE UNIVERSITY, GREAT TOWN, HOW CAN YOU TALK SUCH BOLLOCKSß.

6 angular tiles look fine when they're not crooked and most sidewalks in sofia look worse than the one in your picture.

sidewalk and street in downtown sofia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Graf_Ignatiev_&_Evlogi_Georgiev_01_-_Sofia.jpg

[RawLee]

(...)
Debrecen:
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Thats an unfair comparison.
The "poor"(not in the strict meaning of the word) look of the cities come from the sharp contrast what Radi showed(asphalt-hole,sidewalk-grass,painting-surroundings) in the case of BG,while here,the cities have centre-outskirts division.

BTW,you had hexagonal tiles? We had square concrete blocks...

[radi6404]

the difference svet01 is that in sofia there are dozens of kilometers road + sidewalk which look better, here in Blagoevgrad are no kilometers of sidewalk which look better, that´s the problem which you doesn´t seem to realize.

[svet01]

Thats an unfair comparison.
The "poor"(not in the strict meaning of the word) look of the cities come from the sharp contrast what Radi showed(asphalt-hole,sidewalk-grass,painting-surroundings) in the case of BG,while here,the cities have centre-outskirts division.

BTW,you had hexagonal tiles? We had square concrete blocks...

We also have that center-outskirts contrast, but the overall level of maintenance here is worse, which doesn't mean we don't have beautiful cities. I was just making a point that Hungary has them too and that they seem to be in a better condition.

Yes, during communism we had three kinds of standard tiles - hexagonal, square flat, and square tiles divided into 8 smaller sqauers. Ironically they last longer than the new tiles.lol

[svet01]

the difference svet01 is that in sofia there are dozens of kilometers road + sidewalk which look better, here in Blagoevgrad are no kilometers of sidewalk which look better, that´s the problem which you doesn´t seem to realize.

the pedestrian area and todor alexandrov look great. also blago had prichkapov as the mayor and isn't the capital city. we're the capital and we've had a good mayor from '95 till boyko, and even he hasn't failed.

[radi6404]

there´s one boulevard stretch which is 300 m long which looks average. And Blagoevgrad is 3 times bigger than Dupnica, the entrance of Blagoevgrad of both sides are in such condition, that cars suspention breaks. Svet01, realize already that Blagoevgrad is a bad town. Prichkapov is an idiot who I would punch in the face if I would meet him.

[RawLee]

EDIT

[svet01]

Prichkapov is an idiot

We agree on that one.

[[s2jc]hyp]

I've been to Debrecen and it's nothing that interesting. Those are the only buildings which are worth seeing (on the pictures you posted). I think that's the only tram line which spans for about 10 stops so you can see how small that town really is. Oh, I forgot it's got 1 fountain which looks ok too that's about it. Anyway I'll cut the OT off.

[RawLee]

hyp;23528752']I've been to Debrecen and it's nothing that interesting. Those are the only buildings which are worth seeing (on the pictures you posted). I think that's the only tram line which spans for about 10 stops so you can see how small that town really is. Oh, I forgot it's got 1 fountain which looks ok too that's about it. Anyway I'll cut the OT off.

The town has 200000 inhabitants.

[bgrs]

never even hear of it. it might be a city of 20 000 ppl better than GO of the same caliber but not like Varna or Ruse for example

Actually it's almost as large as Ruse, anyway I don't think the size of the city matters so much.

[mdka]

The town has 200000 inhabitants.

So its equal to Bulgarias fourth city -Burgas,not smaller

[ВОДА]

May be the city has larger population in metro. Who knows?

For example Stara Zagora has 162, 416 inh. in the city but 213, 444 inh. in the metro area, which is the 5th largest metro in Bulgaria. ;)

[mdka]

^^SZ is exactly 140 k population,and a town of this size cant have a functional aglomaration,its to small

[bgrs]

I've always wondered how is "metro" in that case translated in Bulgarian :)

[mdka]

well "Вода" will see what voda will think of,anyway this aglomaration statistic by MRRB is a bulshit

[bgrs]

Well that definitely is not agglomeration since "agglomeration" usually means a continiously built-up area comprised of a city center, suburbs and sattelite towns that practically merged. I've seen that document and it has nothing to do with that definition, at least according to my observations about the reality in Bulgaria. Maybe we have our own Bulgarian standart of "metro" I am not quite aware of :)

Well probably it can be something like our "municipalities" but still it's not exactly the same. Besides Sofia/Plovdiv/Varna are comprised of a number of those.

[avtomat]

Radi not everything made during the comunism era is shitty. As to the tiles we have a subkind of the hexagonal tiles in Dimitrovgrad that are sort of a streched hexagon. My point is that those tiles are in perfect condition even though they have been layed before some 30-40 yerars as the new space age tiles litteraly fall apart because of temperature amplitudes during winter and sommer.

PS: If I were you I would stop cursing people like that.

[Turnovec]

^^ I suggest we make a book with some of Radis posts called "The Best of Radi" :lol: Think it will be very sucessful :lol:

^^ Brilliant Idea! :cheers:

[ВОДА]

For example Stara Zagora has 162, 416 inh. in the city but 213, 444 inh. in the metro area, which is the 5th largest metro in Bulgaria. ;)


Stara Zagora is the 5th largest aglomeration in BULGARIA

Here is the proof of my words:

2007 - over 213,000 in metro according to the Ministry of Regional Development and Public Works

Page 29

http://www.eufunds.bg/docs/OPRD_230307_bg_FINAL.pdf



http://city-of-stara-zagora.hit.bg/SZ-5-th-aglomeration.JPG

[bgrs]

So it's something like agglomeration range, "metro" is something completely different :)

[radi6404]

Back to Dupnica, please.

[ВОДА]

I agree with Radi.

Dupnitsa is a real example of a very good developing town if compare to the rest of the Bulgarian middle sized ones.

[radi6404]

I agree with Radi.

Dupnitsa is a real example of a very good developing town if compare to the rest of the Bulgarian middle sized ones.

Thanks my friend, sure it is. Other towns have to learn from Dupnica.

[ВОДА]

IMO, the good situation in Dupnitsa is a result of the strong local economy.

Everybody knows Actavis - the largest pharmaceutical factory in Bulgaria, Bobovdol Thermal Power Plant and Bobovdol Mines, etc. :)

Other plus is the good Mayor`s management and the good situation on the route of Struma Motorway which is to serve the traffic between Sofia and Athens.


I`ve been about to take a place in that discussion for a few times earlier but I`ve been waiting for the right moment indeed. ;)

[ВОДА]

П.П. Дори благоевградските мутри се отчитат в Дупница, така както тези от Дупница заедно с всички останали регионални силови босове в България се отчитат в София. ;)

[Turnovec]

This ain't Dupnica , but surely is an example :lol::lol::lol:

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont1.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont2.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont3.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont4.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont5.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont6.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont7.jpg

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/mont8.jpg

WAZZAAAAAAAAAA ... radi ?! :lol::lol::lol:

[ВОДА]

^^ No way! :evil: :down:

The asphalt is too pale!!! :naughty:

[radi6404]

the markings are almost faded out. And it is very dirty there, but it is way better than Blagoevgrad for example.

[BG_PATRIOT]

^^

Don't you ever get tired of blasting your home city??
I mean, I already knew that there are a lot of nihilistic Bulgarians, but to the extant that you are pushing it...it's getting ridiculous...:ohno:

[bgrs]

Let's make a "hexagonal tiles" photo thread!!!

[mike-t]

the markings are almost faded out. And it is very dirty there, but it is way better than Blagoevgrad for example.

Is Blagoevgrad worse than Kyustendil?

[Turnovec]

Is Blagoevgrad worse than Kyustendil?

If you listen to Radinho , it is worse than hell :lol::lol::lol:

[radi6404]

Havn´t been in Kiustendil, maybe it´s worse, maybe not.

[insertnickhere]

oh yes its worse if you follow that criteria

[mdka]

П.П. Дори благоевградските мутри се отчитат в Дупница, така както тези от Дупница заедно с всички останали регионални силови босове в България се отчитат в София. ;)
И кои пред кой се отчитат в София бе рлазбирач,пред Станишев ли?
и какво ще рече мутра,ще ми обясниш ли?аре стига си пушил тая трева,че ставаш от смешен по-смешен

[mdka]

Havn´t been in Kiustendil, maybe it´s worse, maybe not.

Хмм странно,Кюстендил е близо до Дупница,Ради,бил ли си някъде другаде, освен в Благоевград,Софиа ,Дупница и Рила планина ,в България?

[radi6404]

Da MDKA, bil sym na moreta, V burgas, v Bansko, v Razlog, v Sandanski, v Kulata, tova e.

[mdka]

^^мерси за отговора,е в Бургас ,примерно,как са пътищата и инфраструктурата,а в Сандански,по-добри ли са от улиците на Благоевград?

[ВОДА]

И кои пред кой се отчитат в София бе рлазбирач,пред Станишев ли?
и какво ще рече мутра,ще ми обясниш ли?аре стига си пушил тая трева,че ставаш от смешен по-смешен


Май ти ще трябва да спреш да миксираш паркизана, ексатзитата, амфетките и другите халюциногенни медикаменти. :lol:


Ето какво е МУТРА, нали питаш:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21489454&postcount=18

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21489567&postcount=19

Естествено, че всички групировки и силови босове в България се отчитат в София. Май само ти не го знаеш това. ;)

[mdka]

^^ААА,мутри били мъже на възраст между 35-45 години,с грозни гердани по вратовете и ядящи сладолед на плажа,Вода,кефиш ме баце,постовете ти са от смешни по-смешни,тези са толкова мутри,колкото хотел Родина е небостъргач,колкото София е 2 млн и колкото Стара Загора е 250 хил.,наистина тези факти може и да са верни,но само в измисления свят ,в който живееш.Пубертета е трудна възраст все пак,но стига с офтопика

[ВОДА]

^^ААА,мутри били мъже на възраст между 35-45 години,с грозни гердани по вратовете и ядящи сладолед на плажа...

Такова нещо не съм казал никъде... ;)

колкото хотел Родина е небостъргач,колкото София е 2 млн и колкото Стара Загора е 250 хил.,наистина тези факти може и да са верни...

Това е напълно вярна информация. :)


Пубертета е трудна възраст все пак,но стига с офтопика

Имай уважение към значително по-възрастните и определено доста по-образованите от теб. :ohno:

[insertnickhere]

Май ти ще трябва да спреш да миксираш паркизана, ексатзитата, амфетките и другите халюциногенни медикаменти. :lol:


Ето какво е МУТРА, нали питаш:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21489454&postcount=18

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21489567&postcount=19

Естествено, че всички групировки и силови босове в България се отчитат в София. Май само ти не го знаеш това. ;)

thats an old photo (4+ years), and if i reccal correctly this isnt bg and those people arent from there.

novinite forum? eh, tom david, do you know him............

[ВОДА]

thats an old photo (4+ years), and if i reccal correctly this isnt bg and those people arent from there.

novinite forum? eh, tom david, do you know him............

So, what? :)

[insertnickhere]

So, what? :)

so what to which part :) dont matter.

back to dupnica

[radi6404]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/305/1010591ba8.jpg

Black asphalt Dupnica road coming from direction sapareeva banq

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9384/1010592kj5.jpg

shiny roadinfrastructure

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9830/1010593gw8.jpg

shiny roadinfrastructure 2

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1496/1010595vm0.jpg

again very high quality roads, sign for persons with dissabilities.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4714/1010597xu4.jpg

Leaving Dupnica, the road to E-79, it is high quality except the last 500 m, which surely will be fixed very soon.

I was ashamed to take pics of the podestrian zone, since people would think, the guy is taking random photos and so on. We were for a cofee in Dupnica. But I will do it, the podestrian zone was the best podestrian zone I´ve seen of all except Sofia. Everything was very clean and the water railings at the bottom were very shiny. Not rusty or missing like in Blagoevgrad. The center was unbelievable and I was feeling like in a country of the European union finally. And I´ve finally seen skinny girls, very beautiful skinny girls, quite a few of them.

If I look at dupnica, there are almost no complains, most things are done as great as they could be. and not only the center, everthing is amazing there. The roads have new signs added, in Blagoevgrad there are only the old ones with 1 line on them. there are a lot of parkings for people with dissabilities, in Blagoevgrad there´s no parking place for people with dissabilities. all sidewalks are even and clean, in Blagoevgrad you could break your feet because of the uneven sidewalks with lots of tiles missing. It´s not perfect in Dupnica but the major will imrpove the things which are not done yet. For example there were roads blocked to rehabilitate and add new asphalt.
People there are usually pretty friendly and happy. When I earn money I might buy an apartment there and move away from the shithole.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2077/1010531sr8.jpg

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[radi6404]

Why does noone comment the pics? you are not used to see a town with fixed infrastrucure?

[radi6404]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/305/1010591ba8.jpg

This road is the road coming from Sapareeva banq and passing through other villages before entering Dupnica you fools, it is a villageroad which only goes to very small villages but it has the sandart of Austrian, German, Swiss or French nationalroads on that asphalt you can drive with 120 with no problem and no holes are coming. If you look Blagoevgrad´s roads to Rilci or Bodrost look like roads in Kosovo.

[Cyberflow]

The infrastructure is good, but the buildings suck. What people tried to tell you is that there are other places in Bg with good infrastructure and much better looking buildings and landscaping. Check on Tarnovo, Kazanlak, the smaller towns on the seaside, etc.

[radi6404]

The infrastructure is good, but the buildings suck. What people tried to tell you is that there are other places in Bg with good infrastructure and much better looking buildings and landscaping. Check on Tarnovo, Kazanlak, the smaller towns on the seaside, etc.

No, they didn´t really try to tell me that. I respect and am glad that there are places with even better infrastructure and buildings but they say Blagoevgrad is a better town when I talk about the town infrastructure. They talk about very different things and don´t realize it. At the center Dupnica also has nice buildings, some glass facades and so on.

[Zaro]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1496/1010595vm0.jpg

again very high quality roads, sign for persons with dissabilities.



Could somebody explain me in plain language what is the purpose of the disabled people sign at this very place?:lol::nuts:

[JuMPer]

3 shots from the outskirts, excuse the reflections please

new hospital coming up

http://www.picnote.com/img/173796253/thumb/151.jpg (http://www.picnote.com/view/173796253/151.jpg)

http://www.picnote.com/img/978308887/thumb/152.jpg (http://www.picnote.com/view/978308887/152.jpg)

http://www.picnote.com/img/1359798988/thumb/153.jpg (http://www.picnote.com/view/1359798988/153.jpg)

[RawLee]

(...)

What are those random "main road" signs on pic 2 and 4?

[Cyberflow]

Could somebody explain me in plain language what is the purpose of the disabled people sign at this very place?:lol::nuts:
It could mean that there are disabled ppl crossing, in usa there were many signs of that kind, blind person, ducks crossing, kids, disabled ppl...

[insertnickhere]

i see no road shoulder, no curbs, no cut grass, debris on road edge, uneven edges...

asphalt is dark when new. it pales out over time and it means nothing. still not sure what you are so excited about? normal bg road. halfway done

[Anto.]

I think dupnica should be called Stanke Dimitrov.

[Zaro]

It could mean that there are disabled ppl crossing, in usa there were many signs of that kind, blind person, ducks crossing, kids, disabled ppl...

I know what the sign means. My question was about its meaning at the very place. Where can you see them coming from? There are traffic lights, so a sign is not necessary.

[kudos]

an example for radi ;)

Окупацията на дупнишката република

capital.bg

Властта трябваше да извади целия си арсенал, за да противодейства на братя Галеви


Военна окупация, според Женевската конвенция, е временно заемане на територията на една държава от въоръжените сили на друга държава. Нещо такова се случи тази седмица в Дупница. Общо шест структури на държавния апарат (Върховната касационна прокуратура, Националната следствена служба, МВР, ДАНС, Агенция "Митници" и Националната агенция за приходите) навлязоха в Дупница и се изправиха срещу нейните патрони Пламен Галев и Ангел Христов, известни още като братя Галеви. В продължение на близо ден представители на различните институции извършваха проверки, свързани с Галеви, и обискираха офиси, автокъщи и апартаменти в София, Перник и Дупница.

Усилията и показността на истинската държава в тази операция, фактът, че срещу "оперативно интересните бизнесмени" беше изпратена нещо като армия, са само доказателство колко недосегаеми са станали. Как са се възползвали от слабостта на държавата и местната власт, слели са се с нея и са направили от Дупница държава в държавата. Доказателство за същото е и фактът, че след като бяха издирвани със спецсили в продължение на ден и половина, Пламен Галев и Ангел Христов никак не изглеждаха изплашени от демонстрацията на сила и просто се появиха в двора на националното следствие, като заявиха, че са дошли, за да разберат какво се случва.

24 на 30
Акцията срещу Галеви се планира още от края на лятото, разказват високопоставени източници на "Капитал" в магистратурата. Преди няколко седмици обаче станало ясно, че има теч на информация и операцията е била пред анулиране. Все пак акцията се състоя под личната координация на генералния комисар на МВР Павлин Димитров. Замисълът й е бил да се събере "максимален обем информация за дейността на Галеви". Макар че на хартия службите работят по двамата от години, до този момент събраната оперативна информация не даваше никаква насока за разследващите дори за основни неща - какви са контактите им, какви телефони използват и т.н.
Въпреки че е организирана на най-високо ниво, по време на операцията се проявяват характерните слабости на службите за сигурност и опазване на обществения ред - изтичане на информация, липса на техническа подготовка и неперфектна координация. Така например в ударната група, която трябва да нахлуе в имението на Галеви в дупнишкото село Ресилово, са предвидени 24-ма служители на ДАНС. Впоследствие оперативната информация показва, че личната охрана на "братята" е по-голяма и къщата се пази от 30 гардове.
И макар че е установено, че по време на операцията е изтичала информация, невъзможно било да се установят "къртици". Всяка служба обвинява останалите, че е "предала операцията", казват източници на "Капитал". В опит да се намалят щетите се взима решение акцията да започне час по-рано от предвиденото.

По-скоро да
Операцията е била по-скоро успешна, по оценки на участници в нея. Въпреки че Галеви са знаели предварително за предстоящите обиски, те явно са се стреснали от мащаба на действията срещу тях. Именно това ги е накарало да се скрият. Разследващи разказват, че "братята" дори са свалили охранителните камери от имението си в село Ресилово, за да не могат да бъдат иззети записи, показващи движението около къщата в часовете преди реализацията.
Галев и Христов остават в неизвестност повече от 24 часа, за да се появят по собствено желание в сградата на Националната следствена служба в четвъртък. Там те отрекоха твърдението на МВР, че са били призовани от директора на Областната дирекция на МВР - Кюстендил, за разпит, но не са се явили. По думите им те не се укривали, а напротив - имали са бизнес срещи "до късно", а вечерта са били "по заведенията" в Дупница. "Снощи се прибрах, намерих протокол за обиск, но нямаше призовка. Затова днес дойдохме в следствието да разпитаме - някой търси ли ни и за какво", коментира от своя страна Пламен Галев. Според Ангел Христов двамата нямат незаконен бизнес и няма от какво да се притесняват: "Приличам ли ви на човек, който държи нещо незаконно вкъщи", попита риторично той журналистите, чакащи го пред националното следствие.
"Показността на тази операция имаше цели, носеше съобщение - никой не може да си мисли, че е по-силен от държавата", коментира високопоставен източник на "Капитал" в специалните служби, пожелал анонимност поради естеството на темата. Тепърва обаче ще стане ясно дали гражданите на Дупница са разбрали посланието.
Вътрешният министър Михаил Миков също наблегна, че операцията е била целенасочена и не е била толкова срещу една или друга личност, а срещу конкретна престъпна дейност.
В крайна сметка на база събраните материали Софийската градска прокуратура вече образува досъдебно производство за пране на пари. От дома на приближения до Галеви Никола Клисарски-Коко разследващите изземват марихуана и прекурсори (субстанции) за произвеждането на наркотици. Открити са и десетина скъпи автомобила с пренабити номера.

Демокрация по дупнишки
Докато МВР, ДАНС и прокуратурата отчитаха резултати, нелегалните "братя" намериха яростен защитник - кмета на града Атанас Янев. Той каза, че с тази акция "някой иска да отклони вниманието от финансовата криза в момента". И още: "Аз съм роден в Дупница и съм вече на 59 години, бил съм 17 години директор на комбината, досега защо не извадиха документи, че Галеви имат незаконен бизнес и т.н.? Досега никой нищо не е открил за тях, нищо не е доказано. Това със сигурност е поредната пушилка."

Публична тайна е, че Галеви практически контролират местната власт в Дупница. Двамата са членове на Консултативния съвет към кмета на града Атанас Янев. Всички ключови решения минават през съгласуване с "братята": на тях се отчитат зам.-кметовете за свършената работа, участват в срещи с инвеститори, присъстват на пресконференциите в общината. Според дупничани Галеви дори използват кметския кабинет, за да провеждат срещите си. Според самия Янев двамата са ценни, защото имат много контакти и могат винаги да намерят нужния човек, който да "свърши работата".
Духът на разбирателство и конформизъм, в който кметът работи с Галеви, се пренася и в работата с общинския съвет в града. Привидно местният парламент е шарен - в състава му влизат иначе противници като БСП, СДС, Евророма, Герб, "Ред, законност и справедливост", "Атака" и др. Въпреки това бърз поглед върху произволно подбран протокол от негово заседание е достатъчен да видим, че решенията в съвета се взимат единодушно.
"Това е един модел на управление, който лично аз за себе си не мога да си обясня с нищо друго освен с един много голям интерес, и то от група частни лица към местната власт", коментира бившият кмет на града Първан Дангов, цитиран от Дарик радио. Той допълва: "В ОС - Дупница политическите партии нямат думата, а съветниците им защитават частни интереси."

Заместниците на държавата
В държава, където властта е слаба, Галеви са заели нейното място, като играят роля на наистина загрижени граждани. Така например те са се възползвали от неспособността на местната власт в Дупница да контролира концесионерите, които обслужват града. В него черни джипове, свързани с Галеви, контролират извозването на боклука и миенето на улиците. Близки до "братята" охранители следят за спазването на реда. Според полицейските статистика в града регистрираната конвенционална престъпност (грабежи, кражби, изнасилвания и т.н.) е сведена до минимум. Според дупничани заслугата за това не е на МВР, а на отрядите на Галеви.
"Братята" се грижат за градинки, реновират училища. Техен е и проектът за изграждане на училищен стол. Галеви с готовност протягат ръка на общината в трудни моменти. Например като попълват дефицита в местния бюджет, когато кметството е затруднение. Източници на "Капитал" разказват, че отношенията между "оперативно интересните" Галеви и общината са институционализирани до степен, че първите са готови веднага да дадат заем на общината, а по-късно той да бъде преоформен като облигационен.
Единственият до този момент опит идилията "Галевград" да бъде нарушена датира от 2005 г. Тогава бившият кмет на града Първан Дангов се разбунтува срещу Ангел Христов и Пламен Галев. Той свика специална сесия на общинския съвет, на която се прие декларация срещу рекета, организиран от двамата. От своя страна Галеви излязоха с обществен протест в своя защита. В крайна сметка в града дойде тогавашният вътрешен министър Румен Петков. След кратка инспекция той не видя виновни, снима се с тълпата и се прибра в София.

Висши покровители
За зла участ на вътрешния министър именно Галеви станаха причина Петков да подаде оставка тази пролет. В края на 2006 г. тримата се срещат в столично заведение. Посредник е бил Алексей Петров - тогава секретен сътрудник на контраразузнаването, а понастоящем съветник на председателя на ДАНС Петко Сертов. Информацията за тайното рандеву на Петков и "оперативно интересните" излезе наяве, след като бившият шеф на ГДБОП Ваньо Танов разказа за нея пред парламентарната вътрешна комисия. Тогава Танов разкри също, че лично бившият вече директор на Националната следствена служба Ангел Александров е споделил с Галеви плана на уж секретна операция срещу тях.
Акцията срещу Галеви вкара в обяснителен режим двамата "братя", които малко след като излязоха от прикритието си, бързо успяха да превземат новините с коментарите си за МВР, ДАНС, прокуратурата и всичко останало.
Сега на ход са разследващите органи, които трябва да анализират събраната информация и да я превърнат в годни за съда доказателства. Това е единственият начин държавната машина да се противопостави срещу обявилите автономия републики. Като дупнишката например.