Ever wanted to know something about Pakistan? Here's your chance...ask away. :)

Nobody has a question?

Why original police do not have excellent standard as traffic police?

the police around the cities have gotton better ..... a looot better

If Quaid descends on Pakistan for just one day, perhaps on the 14th August.

What would he be proud of us most as a nation and what least?

Hint: don't haste to answer as it requires a bit soul searching!!

Why original police do not have excellent standard as traffic police?

Because they're all corrupt. No checks and balances in place to get rid of these idiots.

I think a better model would be the Motorway police. They don't care who you are, they'll give you a ticket and impound your vehicle if they have to. Don't matter if your the PM's son...everyone is treated the same.

If Quaid descends on Pakistan for just one day, perhaps on the 14th August.

What would he be proud of us most as a nation and what least?

Hint: don't haste to answer as it requires a bit soul searching!!

I don't even know where he would begin, but all I know is this. If he ever did comeback people wouldn't say anything except hang their heads in shame. And that's exactly what all of us should be doing...hanging our heads in shame for what we've done, especially these b*stards like Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Fazlur Rehman and Zardari.

Other people in the world are still fighting for there own countries and we've had one for 61 years. We Pakistanis don't deserve Pakistan if you think about it.

But I know things will change...I feel it. It's coming...and when it does it's going to be big.

Has Pakistan been it's own enemy in allowing /not completely curbing elements which have tarnished it's reputation somewhat in the world arena , does the common man feel Pakistan deserved much better ?

If Quaid descends on Pakistan for just one day, perhaps on the 14th August.

What would he be proud of us most as a nation and what least?

Hint: don't haste to answer as it requires a bit soul searching!!

The only thing he would be proud of is the ability of our people to bounce back after something happens, though some resort to violence as retaliation to violence against them, most of them are ready to get back to work the next day.

Same goes for our business community.

The least thing he would have in mind is the weak political structure that we have in the country, the lost ability to act on our own and the fact that we lean over religion more then anything, even when we have no clear idea about the religion as everyone seems to have their own interpretation.

Has Pakistan been it's own enemy in allowing /not completely curbing elements which have tarnished it's reputation somewhat in the world arena , does the common man feel Pakistan deserved much better ?

While the politicians fought with each other, every growing year in Pakistan added to the illiteracy rate of the country.

If only our politicians had focused on education instead of corruption, the situation would never have been so bad, after all, an education citizen thinks twice before saying anything that may harm the reputation of its country.

If only our politicians had focused on education instead of corruption, the situation would never have been so bad, after all, an education citizen thinks twice before saying anything that may harm the reputation of its country.

Our politicans are class-D a** holes. They don't even know how to be good at corruption. If they only educated the country & improved the economy they would have much more money to fill their pockets with - idiots! :bash:

I don't even know where he would begin, but all I know is this. If he ever did comeback people wouldn't say anything except hang their heads in shame. And that's exactly what all of us should be doing...hanging our heads in shame for what we've done, especially these b*stards like Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Fazlur Rehman and Zardari.

Other people in the world are still fighting for there own countries and we've had one for 61 years. We Pakistanis don't deserve Pakistan if you think about it.

But I know things will change...I feel it. It's coming...and when it does it's going to be big.

Powerful words!


Excuse my pessimistic and downright defeatist rhetoric but I would have to beg to differ with that last part of your post. Jinnah uttered on his deathbed that every progressive Government of Pakistan will be worse then its predecessor and that is exactly what has taken place in front of our eyes for the past 61 years. It is especially disturbing to gauge the validity of Jinnah's words on the eve of the 61st year of our existence as an independent and sovereign nation.

Jinnah was aware of the misguided notions of statehood harbored by his contemporaries and how their illfounded ideas will wreck havoc on Pakistan. Keeping in view the past 6 decades of our sad and depressing history, I can attest to the validity of Jinnah's words.

Pakistan has been used as a means of progressing the personal interests of the pilfering, plundering filth that is the "elite" of Pakistan, since its very inception. We are stuck in a viscious self-destructive cycle which is being perpetuated by these very elite. Bringing education to the masses of Pakistan is not in the interest of these politico's.

Pakistan witnesses shortterm stability every few years when the establishment puts some checks and balances in place following which we experience healthy growth, only to be delivered to those same theiving, pilfering politico's! And such a fate is delivered to us by noneother than our very own electorate.

On a more personal note, the reentry of Benazir, Zardari, Nawaz and Shahbaz, to the Pakistani political scene shaked the very cores of my previously unfaultering belief in my country and my people. And sad to say that the ouster of Musharraf will comepletely demolish what little remains of the faith I have in my country.

:no:


*depressed*

Powerful words!


Excuse my pessimistic and downright defeatist rhetoric but I would have to beg to differ with that last part of your post. Jinnah uttered on his deathbed that every progressive Government of Pakistan will be worse then its predecessor and that is exactly what has taken place in front of our eyes for the past 61 years. It is especially disturbing to gauge the validity of Jinnah's words on the eve of the 61st year of our existence as an independent and sovereign nation.

Jinnah was aware of the misguided notions of statehood harbored by his contemporaries and how their illfounded ideas will wreck havoc on Pakistan. Keeping in view the past 6 decades of our sad and depressing history, I can attest to the validity of Jinnah's words.

Pakistan has been used as a means of progressing the personal interests of the pilfering, plundering filth that is the "elite" of Pakistan, since its very inception. We are stuck in a viscious self-destructive cycle which is being perpetuated by these very elite. Bringing education to the masses of Pakistan is not in the interest of these politico's.

Pakistan witnesses shortterm stability every few years when the establishment puts some checks and balances in place following which we experience healthy growth, only to be delivered to those same theiving, pilfering politico's! And such a fate is delivered to us by noneother than our very own electorate.

On a more personal note, the reentry of Benazir, Zardari, Nawaz and Shahbaz, to the Pakistani political scene shaked the very cores of my previously unfaultering belief in my country and my people. And sad to say that the ouster of Musharraf will comepletely demolish what little remains of the faith I have in my country.

:no:


*depressed*

He feel its you woman! If he feels it, he feels it! And it will happen!

:laugh:


But i haven't read any further then that sentence, i don't want to get depressed.

Powerful words!


Excuse my pessimistic and downright defeatist rhetoric but I would have to beg to differ with that last part of your post. Jinnah uttered on his deathbed that every progressive Government of Pakistan will be worse then its predecessor and that is exactly what has taken place in front of our eyes for the past 61 years. It is especially disturbing to gauge the validity of Jinnah's words on the eve of the 61st year of our existence as an independent and sovereign nation.

Jinnah was aware of the misguided notions of statehood harbored by his contemporaries and how their illfounded ideas will wreck havoc on Pakistan. Keeping in view the past 6 decades of our sad and depressing history, I can attest to the validity of Jinnah's words.

Pakistan has been used as a means of progressing the personal interests of the pilfering, plundering filth that is the "elite" of Pakistan, since its very inception. We are stuck in a viscious self-destructive cycle which is being perpetuated by these very elite. Bringing education to the masses of Pakistan is not in the interest of these politico's.

Pakistan witnesses shortterm stability every few years when the establishment puts some checks and balances in place following which we experience healthy growth, only to be delivered to those same theiving, pilfering politico's! And such a fate is delivered to us by noneother than our very own electorate.

On a more personal note, the reentry of Benazir, Zardari, Nawaz and Shahbaz, to the Pakistani political scene shaked the very cores of my previously unfaultering belief in my country and my people. And sad to say that the ouster of Musharraf will comepletely demolish what little remains of the faith I have in my country.

:no:


*depressed*

After reading the question raised by Pakia and reading the 1st sentence of your post. I was dreading the fact that now I'll have to read typical Pakistani Bullshit posts of "Oh we are so CRAP! We haven't done or achieved anything! We are the shitiest nation on Earth" etc etc!! But Man!!! The more I read your post, the more I agreed with you! Good post! Especially the part that I have highlighted in bold. :yes:

He'll be proud that this country has produced a man like Siamu. A man of such genius, intellect and insight. The best thing Pakistan can do is utilize him lest he goes to some other country and turn it into a superpower.

He'll be proud that this country has produced a man like Siamu. A man of such genius, intellect and insight. The best thing Pakistan can do is utilize him lest he goes to some other country and turn it into a superpower.

:rofl: :rofl:

The Quaid would be proud of the fact that we are not a theocracy for the most part. He'll see Pakistan as the moderate state he had invisioned (for the most part).

Has Pakistan been it's own enemy in allowing /not completely curbing elements which have tarnished it's reputation somewhat in the world arena , does the common man feel Pakistan deserved much better ?

We needed them before as a contingency against India in case of war. Now that China is a rising power, we don't need them so much. The religious elements within the ISI are finding it hard to let go of their old allies. They really should now.

The Quaid would be proud of the fact that we are not a theocracy for the most part. He'll see Pakistan as the moderate state he had invisioned (for the most part).


I see we've been smoking some branded shit! :sly:


The preamble to our ridiculious constitution states that any law that is against the teachings of Islam cannot be enacted by the legislature of Pakistan. Do you really think that is something Jinnah would be proud of? It is ludicrous! It is something Jinnah was bitterly against.

I'm not talking about our laws, I'm talking about the urban people of Pakistan who do not hold anything against minorities or object to minorities being in positions of power. On the other hand, most of these people would object to becoming a secular country. But that's just their naivety and lack of a global perspective. With increasing education, we should see the importance of religion diminish in our country.

Btw, I was at a supermarket yesterday and every single frozen food packet had the word "halal" printed on it. I smiled and wondered, "Do they even allow non-halal food in this country? I don't think so".

I'm not talking about our laws, I'm talking about the urban people of Pakistan who do not hold anything against minorities or object to minorities being in positions of power. On the other hand, most of these people would object to becoming a secular country. But that's just their naivety and lack of a global perspective. With increasing education, we should see the importance of religion diminish in our country.

Btw, I was at a supermarket yesterday and every single frozen food packet had the word "halal" printed on it. I smiled and wondered, "Do they even allow non-halal food in this country? I don't think so".


Dude, lets just agree to disagree.

And they write halal on everything because our jaahil awam thinks that any business with a foreign name sells haraam food. Such ludicrous lies are spread by the religious fanatics.

I'm not talking about our laws, I'm talking about the urban people of Pakistan who do not hold anything against minorities or object to minorities being in positions of power. On the other hand, most of these people would object to becoming a secular country. But that's just their naivety and lack of a global perspective. With increasing education, we should see the importance of religion diminish in our country.

Btw, I was at a supermarket yesterday and every single frozen food packet had the word "halal" printed on it. I smiled and wondered, "Do they even allow non-halal food in this country? I don't think so".

There was a nihari shop which used to sell nihari with dog meat in it, he was arrested.

Dude, lets just agree to disagree.

And they write halal on everything because our jaahil awam thinks that any business with a foreign name sells haraam food. Such ludicrous lies are spread by the religious fanatics.

We are not like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan...heck, most of our female population dosen't wear headscarves, so we're one of the more liberal Muslim countries. That is good, right? :)

There was a nihari shop which used to sell nihari with dog meat in it, he was arrested.

I think someone selling dog meat would get arrested in western countries too. Or maybe I'm wrong? I went to an Asian store in the US a couple times and I picked up a packet of pig snouts (just to check, not to buy!). They had live eels, turtles, and of course toads among many other things.

I went through the defense thread where 2 articles caught my attention - first being the induction of women pilots in the PAF and the other one was the induction of the first Pakistani Sikh in the Infantry Division of Pakistan .

Both of them show Pakistan is advancing and libralising and what we've seen here is more than what I could expect of other Islamic nations.

I would only wish it to become more Secular and a significant decline in religious fanaticism , I do hope that it's losing it's wings in Pak . Less religious extremisms will mean a more advanced Asian Nation to compete with the best of the West.







P.S. - I had no intention of sparking off Indo-pak debate i the military section and my ques. was not aimed at that , until that stupid fellow came over and degraded himself and "gandhiji".

^^ not only that there have been other minority citizens at very important positions like the chief justice of pakistan.


Religious fanaticism is a gift of the US-backed, Zia-based fighting against soviet union in Afghanistan. Before Zia, alcohol was commonly and openly sold and the dress code on TV was much more liberal.

During musharraf's era we did have some much needed reforms including empowering of women and freedom of speech. Unfortunately extremism, like all other evils in the society, are easy to get but hard to root out.

I went through the defense thread where 2 articles caught my attention - first being the induction of women pilots in the PAF and the other one was the induction of the first Pakistani Sikh in the Infantry Division of Pakistan .

Both of them show Pakistan is advancing and libralising and what we've seen here is more than what I could expect of other Islamic nations.

I would only wish it to become more Secular and a significant decline in religious fanaticism , I do hope that it's losing it's wings in Pak . Less religious extremisms will mean a more advanced Asian Nation to compete with the best of the West.







P.S. - I had no intention of sparking off Indo-pak debate i the military section and my ques. was not aimed at that , until that stupid fellow came over and degraded himself and "gandhiji".


DOnt worry, we know you are not trying to incite any anger or anything. Your participation is welcome here. Where are you from BTW>?

There was a nihari shop which used to sell nihari with dog meat in it, he was arrested.

thats just an urban legend. ive herd this story before.

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IBoth of them show Pakistan is advancing and libralising and what we've seen here is more than what I could expect of other Islamic nations.

Why? Because Islamic = backwards in your view point? :sly: It has been proven, time and again, by many studies conducted all over the world, that religion has nothing to do with it. It all has to with social class, which affects EVERYTHING and I mean.... EVERYTHING!

Sorry for going off topic peeps. On topic, one thing Jinnah would be ashamed off, would be Pakistanis calling their fellow Pakistanis: 'Jahil'.

P.S. - I had no intention of sparking off Indo-pak debate i the military section and my ques. was not aimed at that , until that stupid fellow came over and degraded himself and "gandhiji".

DOnt worry, we know you are not trying to incite any anger or anything. Your participation is welcome here. Where are you from BTW>?

Ooga, why are you being so nice to him? Especially when he's been so typically rude towards you?

It has been proven, time and again, by many studies conducted all over the world, that religion has nothing to do with it.

I strongly disagree. Quite contrary to what you're saying, all the countries at the top of the world living standards list have the lowest Church attendance figures in the world.

I strongly disagree. Quite contrary to what you're saying, all the countries at the top of the world living standards list have the lowest Church attendance figures in the world.

Bear with me, I'm typing with my left hand. You should have quoted all of my post. As I already gave the reason. Social class has a greater bearing, than anything else. It affects your chances of literacy (education), your thinking, your everthing. The examles of countries that you've given, are mostly made up of Middle & Upper Classes. Very few Lower Class.

What do you mean it depends on social class? We are talking about entire countries here. There is a reason less religious socities have higher education attainment figures ;)

One can spend time either studying science or one can spend time reading religious texts over and over again and tagging one self with the oxymoron of "religious scholar". Time is a resource, one has a limited amount of it, and in religious socities, the choice is made to make the little kids spend more time "studying" religion than studying science. Trust me, I've studied in NWFP. If a PAF school had such religious teachers, I can't imagine what civilian kids there are taught.

Anyway, India is not any less religious than Pakistan. Their religion (Hinduism) is just less anal about certain things (and more anal about others).

Why? Because Islamic = backwards in your view point? :sly: It has been proven, time and again, by many studies conducted all over the world, that religion has nothing to do with it. It all has to with social class, which affects EVERYTHING and I mean.... EVERYTHING!

Sorry for going off topic peeps. On topic, one thing Jinnah would be ashamed off, would be Pakistanis calling their fellow Pakistanis: 'Jahil'.

Please do yourself a favor and learn to interpret properly - here it is , only for you , a simplified version of what i said.

Having been to Islam dominated nations such as UAE and even Afghanistan:ohno: - as well developed as UAE is it still far from treats women at par with men , purdah being a classic case in point and also women don't occupy positions of high authority . Following me so far buddy............ ok

I was impressed to hear that Pakistan has a female air force squadron and a sikh in the army and hence I compared it to other Islamic nations and praised it ......... got it , and even in that you found a place to bring in religion.

now in between of all this where did you gather from me that ISLAM = BACKWARD , where did u get that bright chap.

I respect all religions , unlike many in the Western world I take pride in having Muslim friends and wishing them on ID.

Think before you write and don't try to incite others against me . It doesn't augur well for your personality.

Having been to Islam dominated nations such as UAE and even Afghanistan:ohno: - as well developed as UAE is it still far from treats women at par with men , purdah being a classic case in point and also women don't occupy positions of high authority.

The UAE is NOT a good example. It may be so called "developed" according to the textbook definition. But its society hasn't kept up! Their society hasn't developed. That's due to all the development being initiated by Oil and being single sided.

I was impressed to hear that Pakistan has a female air force squadron and a sikh in the army and hence I compared it to other Islamic nations and praised it ......... got it , and even in that you found a place to bring in religion.

now in between of all this where did you gather from me that ISLAM = BACKWARD , where did u get that bright chap.

Why did you compare Pakistan to other Islamic nations?

I respect all religions , unlike many in the Western world I take pride in having Muslim friends and wishing them on ID.

Why mention that you have Muslim friends?

Think before you write and don't try to incite others against me.

Maybe you should practice what you preach and do yourself a favor by learning to interpret properly.

It doesn't augur well for your personality.

Why shall I care about what assumptions you (a nobody on the internet) has about me?!

What do you mean it depends on social class?

I'll try and find all the pieces of writing that I came across.

The UAE is NOT a good example. It may be so called "developed" according to the textbook definition. But its society hasn't kept up! Their society hasn't developed. That's due to all the development being initiated by Oil and being single sided.



Why did you compare Pakistan to other Islamic nations?



Why mention that you have Muslim friends?



Maybe you should practice what you preach and do yourself a favor by learning to interpret properly.



Why shall I care about what assumptions you (a nobody on the internet) has about me?!
Cool down!

I really hate it when people actually claim turning away from religion will solve our problems! It won't! Islam is the answer and being an Islamic state you should be proud of it!

Those who wish not to turn to Islam within Pakistan should be treated fairly and those who are Muslims who don't want to practice Islam shouldn't be degraded either.

But all this crap about Islam being Pakistan's problem is a joke! Islam isn't the problem, it's today's Muslims which are the problem, who don't practice Islam at all, yet claim too and this goes to both liberals and conservatives alike.

How much does a liter of Petrol/Diesel cost in Pakistan?

In India, its going over the roof.
With the recent price hike of around INR 55 for Petrol and 45 for diesel, buying a car is cheaper than "running" it :(

How much does a liter of Petrol/Diesel cost in Pakistan?

In India, its going over the roof.
With the recent price hike of around INR 55 for Petrol and 45 for diesel, buying a car is cheaper than "running" it :(




:laugh:


Haan yaar, the situation is similar if not worse in Pakistan aswell! Perhaps someone in Pakistan can shed some light on the prices?

How much does a liter of Petrol/Diesel cost in Pakistan?

In India, its going over the roof.
With the recent price hike of around INR 55 for Petrol and 45 for diesel, buying a car is cheaper than "running" it :(

http://clip2net.com/clip/m7984/1217012918-clip-53kb.jpg

How much does a liter of Petrol/Diesel cost in Pakistan?

In India, its going over the roof.
With the recent price hike of around INR 55 for Petrol and 45 for diesel, buying a car is cheaper than "running" it :(

In dollar terms, Pakistan's gasoline price is slightly cheaper at the moment, but with higher inflation here, I think Indians are better off right now.

It's 86 Rs/ltr for supreme. The government is ending all subsidies by December, I think.

BTW, this thread should be in the Skybar or something. This is not the place for it.

How much does a liter of Petrol/Diesel cost in Pakistan?

In India, its going over the roof.
With the recent price hike of around INR 55 for Petrol and 45 for diesel, buying a car is cheaper than "running" it :(
THat sucks. How much is it now?

BTW, we in Pakistan has this cheap fuel CNG. That shields us from price hikes in gasoline. I always used to wonder how people in India affrod to drive around. I for one would not be able to afford driving a car on petrol all the time. I'd probably just go to the office and back.

^^ I take my gasoline car out about 4 times a week. And I go pretty far. Wonder how long before I run out of money for it.

Oh and Pakistan has the highest % of cars on CNG in the world.

2 questions

1. are there any major land reform movements contemplated in pakistan to take it away from a feudal structure to one where the farmers have more control over their destiny?

2. connected to the first, what steps can be taken to more broad-base the power sharing away from pakistan's elite (politicians, army) to form a more representative form of governance (or in other words more leaders from the masses a la mayawati or laloo prasad in india)?

1. are there any major land reform movements contemplated in pakistan to take it away from a feudal structure to one where the farmers have more control over their destiny?

Unfortunately this doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon. Both the PPP and PML-N, heck even the PML-Q are made up of feudals. They'll never let their "subjects" liberate themselves from the feudal's oppression.

2. connected to the first, what steps can be taken to more broad-base the power sharing away from pakistan's elite (politicians, army) to form a more representative form of governance (or in other words more leaders from the masses a la mayawati or laloo prasad in india)?

Force all political parties to hold elections, and if any party is suspected of rigging it's internal elections, then it should be barred from contesting.

In my view the stupid parliamentary system should be abolished in favor of US style democracy.

2 questions

1. are there any major land reform movements contemplated in pakistan to take it away from a feudal structure to one where the farmers have more control over their destiny?

2. connected to the first, what steps can be taken to more broad-base the power sharing away from pakistan's elite (politicians, army) to form a more representative form of governance (or in other words more leaders from the masses a la mayawati or laloo prasad in india)?
No siuch thing is contemplated coz the people in running the coutnry are feudals.

THat sucks. How much is it now?

BTW, we in Pakistan has this cheap fuel CNG. That shields us from price hikes in gasoline. I always used to wonder how people in India affrod to drive around. I for one would not be able to afford driving a car on petrol all the time. I'd probably just go to the office and back.

we also have CNG here..but only in few cities....
delhi ncr,, ahemadbad to name a few..
DTC(delhi transport commision) btw operates the largest fleet of cng buses in world..
we get cng @ 18.50 here..

Great idea for a thread .
Q1 ) how come this thread hasnt developed into a serious slanging match yet ?
Im impressed.
Maybe 'cos niether I or UP or other like minded verbal vagabonds have been on it . Wheres all the sparlke & vigour of a good old verbal fight.?
Q2)Now that Mr 10% is in and its buiseness as usual how long b4 the military have to intervene.? And therfore how long will Pakistan be unable to rule itself without military coups.?And therefor how long will it be b4 pakistan can be governed democraticaly.?
Q3) Does the fact that the military are the single biggest buisines owner in the country mean that it will never be able to embark upon 'liberal capitalism'?
Ta
D

THat sucks. How much is it now?

BTW, we in Pakistan has this cheap fuel CNG. That shields us from price hikes in gasoline. I always used to wonder how people in India affrod to drive around. I for one would not be able to afford driving a car on petrol all the time. I'd probably just go to the office and back.

We're a World Leader in the use of CNG now! :happy: I remember we were number 2 & 3 for quite some time, behind Brazil and/or Argentina.

Pakistan is a world leader in the use of compressed natural gas (CNG) for personal automobiles.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/gnfocus/pakistan/more_stories/10027363.html

Pakistan now has highest number of CNG-run vehicles

By Muhammad Yasir

KARACHI: Pakistan has become the country with the highest number of CNG-run vehicles in the world leaving Brazil and Argentine behind in the race as largest user of natural gas vehicles.

According to statistics compiled by CNG Owners Association of Pakistan, the number of CNG-run cars have exceeded to 1.6 million throughout the country. The number of CNG filling stations has also grown largely in the country. The number of operational CNG pumps has increased to 17, 000, while around 200 CNG pumps are being established and 4,000 investors have shown interest to set up fuel stations of this gas.

Brazil, the second largest user of natural gas, has 1.42 million CNG-run vehicles. The third largest user, Argentine, has 1.35 million consumers. Private owners run around 70 percent of CNG filling stations while 30 percent are run by Oil Marketing Companies (OMCs).

Malik Khuda Baksh, President CNG Owners Association said these figures will be informed to International CNG rating organisation (Natural Gas Vehicle International), which would rank Pakistan as number one country using CNG in vehicles after its own calculation. He said that country has shown an extra-ordinary growth of 5.5 million vehicles in the last seven months of the current year as the number of CNG-run vehicles stood at 10.5 million at the beginning of the year.

He claimed that gas fuel had saved about $2.2 million of country’s foreign exchange and this savings would be exceeded to $3 million at the end of current fiscal year. Gas fuel helps protect the environment from pollution as well.

“Now, there is a need to provide CNG to public buses or heavy vehicles and private sector is seeking government cooperation in this regard,” he added.

Mr Khuda Buksh said that the CNG station owners body has initiated to convert a diesel-run bus into CNG-run bus at the cost of almost 0.2 million. He urged government to form an exclusive loan facility to attract big investors in this sector and allow import of CNG-run vehicles and kits in the country, so that diesel consumption could decline and the country’s oil import bill could be minimised. Experts believed that gas reserves would not be sufficient to meet the country’s gas requirements. Pakistan’s gas demand and supply projections indicate a widening gap of approximately 500 MMCFD by the year 2010.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\09\07\story_7-9-2007_pg5_4

Mind you, the article is a bit old, from September 07, 2007. The figure must be even higher now! :banana:

Although CNG cars have terrible acceleration, it really, really annoys me if I am behind a CNG car at a red light cause I know it's going to crawl to a speed of 50 before I can somehow find a way to pass it.

Actually you can tune that, I had a CNG car and had it tuned accordingly. There are two ways, you can either go for speed or mileage, of course people go for mileage that's why you have snails on the road.

Actually no. IF you get it tuned how I get it tuned, you get AMAZING mileage and AMAZING performance. I kind of found the 'secret' to it and know just 1 guy who can do it right. You get the max of both. Normally though, you're right. What the mechanics do is increase the supply of gas to increase performance. So that kills the mileage.

Also, we're eating up our gas reserves. Not a good thing.

thanx for ur replies gents.

thanx for ur replies gents.

You're welcome! :)

You need to have read what General Ashfaq Kayani has said, in order to answer your questions.

Actually no. IF you get it tuned how I get it tuned, you get AMAZING mileage and AMAZING performance. I kind of found the 'secret' to it and know just 1 guy who can do it right. You get the max of both. Normally though, you're right. What the mechanics do is increase the supply of gas to increase performance. So that kills the mileage.

whats the secret?

Not telling.

Actually, firstly the usual -

1)Tuning of EVERYTHING

Plugs
Fuel injection/Carb
Air-intake
That thing that powers the plugs (some electric unit)

2)New air filter

3)Tablet setting
The mechs. call it 'tablets'. But the key is that only 1 mech I've seen up until now can really adjust them correctly. This thing is the KEY to everything - starting up, noise, acceleration and power, fuel economy

A lot of mechs. do it, but I know of only one who does it right.

4) Gas adjustment

My tank was giving me around 100-105 kms. After all this I'm now getting 135-140 kms. That's around 33% more out of the same fuel AND thrice the performance. My car was a piece of turd before it, now it runs like it's on a mission.

You're welcome! :)

He was being sarcastic. If you look, none of us answered his questions. I would, but they're political in nature, so it's best not to.

BTW, I had been noticing annoying little black cloths hanging below the rear bumpers of many cars in Karachi. I was wondering what they were for, and asked a friend. He said "People do it takey nazar na lagey".

I have never understood the concept of "nazar". Superstitious fools :doh:

BTW, I had been noticing annoying little black cloths hanging below the rear bumpers of many cars in Karachi. I was wondering what they were for, and asked a friend. He said "People do it takey nazar na lagey".

I have never understood the concept of "nazar". Superstitious fools :doh:
I guess you've never seen people hang a shoe. Notice it from now, every 3rd car will have it. They are supposed to be charms.

I was being sarcastic .if politics is out then i wont ask no worriz.
As for superstition?
I wish i could say that the developed west has abandoned it .Lourdes.Palin.The Pope.
Its embarrissing

He was being sarcastic. If you look, none of us answered his questions. I would, but they're political in nature, so it's best not to.

And you thought that I wasn't? :crazy:

one nill to you then bruv

BTW, I had been noticing annoying little black cloths hanging below the rear bumpers of many cars in Karachi. I was wondering what they were for, and asked a friend. He said "People do it takey nazar na lagey".

I have never understood the concept of "nazar". Superstitious fools :doh:

Oh yeah. God that is the stupidest thing/fad which has gripped Pakistanis nowadays. Even educated people who are relatively well off put these cloths on their brand new corollas and civics. It's totally idiotic.

I strongly disagree. Quite contrary to what you're saying, all the countries at the top of the world living standards list have the lowest Church attendance figures in the world.

You are ignorant and you have no clue about economy or your ignorance. Are you implying all the richest countries are Christian? Look at Qatar.

Moreover United States itself is richer than more secular countries, some of them in Western Europe, or atheist countries of the communist bloc.

I really hate it when people actually claim turning away from religion will solve our problems! It won't! Islam is the answer and being an Islamic state you should be proud of it!

Those who wish not to turn to Islam within Pakistan should be treated fairly and those who are Muslims who don't want to practice Islam shouldn't be degraded either.

But all this crap about Islam being Pakistan's problem is a joke! Islam isn't the problem, it's today's Muslims which are the problem, who don't practice Islam at all, yet claim too and this goes to both liberals and conservatives alike.

Good point. I'd wager too much anglicization of Pakistan, a loyal former British colony and American "ally" akin to a contemporary colony, has made the core of Pakistani society, and its elite think along the lines commonly espoused in Anglo societies and their media, academia, social workers, etc.

That has been the major problem for Pakistan, as Pakistan being a Muslim country is the exact antithesis if there be such a thing on earth of the Anglo lifestyle, models, values, and work ethics among other things.

My question

Do average Pakistanis see the future of Pakistan, 10 or 20 years from now, as bright? Does Pakistan seem capable of overtaking India to the ordinary Pakistanis? To match India in most spheres (economic, miltiary, political, entertainment, scientific etc)

You are ignorant and you have no clue about economy or your ignorance. Are you implying all the richest countries are Christian? Look at Qatar.

Moreover United States itself is richer than more secular countries, some of them in Western Europe, or atheist countries of the communist bloc.

Qatar and other middle eastern countries are rich only because they got lucky and are sitting on a natural resource that the Western world needs in abundance, as well the the developing world. They didn't achieve anything special, they'd be 10x poorer than Pakistan if they did not have this resource. Heck, they didn't even learn to drill that oil themselves, the Westerners had to come in and teach them to do it :lol:

As for the USA, it was a country founded by people fleeing religious persecution and it was the less religious areas of NY and California which laid the foundations of American greatness.

Those poeple who realy believe that the proper practice of a religion is the future for anywhere, not just pakistan, are not understanding history.
If we can learn anything it is that the seperation of church & state , and thus the slow rejection of religion by the populous, is the fundemantal core of progress.
Religion, what ever its name, is basicly superstition, african juju men , the virgin birth, sacred cows or the islamic tennants.Take your pick.Once a society moves in the direction of empiricism , pluralism & tolerance , it has the ability to further embrace change.
Witness the communist states, though 'atheist' , cannonised their state ideology to such an extent that it became ossified, as religion, and it was only when they embraced the democratic, pluralistic model that they began to change.
Whether one agrees with the US western dominated model of change may be debatable.
But those countries have embarked upon a program of rapid change,diching traditions with each generation and looking firmly towards the future.
( NB the gulf states are rich but it is, as we know not through there own efforts.Their economic progress has been phenominal but in the long term, unsustanble)

Qatar and other middle eastern countries are rich only because they got lucky and are sitting on a natural resource that the Western world needs in abundance, as well the the developing world. They didn't achieve anything special, they'd be 10x poorer than Pakistan if they did not have this resource. Heck, they didn't even learn to drill that oil themselves, the Westerners had to come in and teach them to do it :lol:

As for the USA, it was a country founded by people fleeing religious persecution and it was the less religious areas of NY and California which laid the foundations of American greatness.
Jews are some of the most religious people AND the most prosperous. Explain...

People who try to find a relation between religion and progress are pretty idiotic. There's a little law known as 'correlation does NOT imply causation'. I could also very easily say that the color of the skin relates to progress.

Whites
Yellow
Brown
Dark brown
Blacks

If you make this continuum, you'd see that the per capita GDP of these groups is also in this order. So I'm sure skin color has something to do with progress!!!

Having said that, religion in Pakistan is the biggest reason we're where we are. But that's a discussion I don't want to have. Not the fault of religion, but the people.

Jews are some of the most religious people AND the most prosperous. Explain...

No, they are not. Only American Jews are relatively rich, because their religion does not limit their participation in any kind of financial activities. Israel, however, is not a particularly rich country, nor is it's HDI higher than that of the Nordic countries. Also, other than being less religious, countries also need to be capitalist to get rich, so everyone needs to quit mentioning communist countries.

Anyway, as far as Pakistan is concerned, we have to eliminate extremist versions of Islam, which is not going to be an easy task.

No, they are not. Only American Jews are relatively rich, because their religion does not limit their participation in any kind of financial activities. Israel, however, is not a particularly rich country, nor is it's HDI higher than that of the Nordic countries. Also, other than being less religious, countries also need to be capitalist to get rich, so everyone needs to quit mentioning communist countries.

Anyway, as far as Pakistan is concerned, we have to eliminate extremist versions of Islam, which is not going to be an easy task.
You don't know much about Israel, do you?

Maan theres some funny stuff in this thread.
The racial breakdown of progress is to say the least , simplistic.
Jews, on the whole , are not very religious.The American jews are probably the most religious of the big jewish groups.They live in a relitivly religious society by western standards.
Isreal for all its faults , we all know them so and lets not go there it IS soo dull, is a democratic, pluralistic secular ,modern state.
It has many diverse political, social & religious groups.All of them exerting an influence on the society
It is held to ransom by extremist Zionist groups because it has a proportional represantational from of democracy.
Isrealies, although many do keep the traditions of judeaism, are not religious in the same way they neighbours are.Its not a rich place .But its not poor.Its kind of 'midling'.
(with the exeption of, bizzarly, Iran .There the religion is sponsored by the state but is acctually ignored by the people.Ive been to both places)
And that unfortunatly is one of the problems in the reigion .Not just the isrealy treatment of the palastinions.
Its the arab countries horror at having a modern country in their midst.

What bullshit is going on in this thread????? :ohno: :bash: Can we get back to the bloody topic?! :mad:

Hello,

My question is: Which industry of Pakistan is well worth researching on, in terms of project management?

I am currently thinking of writing a report on Project Management but don't know which industry to choose from. I have written some on Insurance and Telecom industry.

I was very much inclined at Railways or NADRA?? Could you please help?

Regards

J

Hello,

My question is: Which industry of Pakistan is well worth researching on, in terms of project management?

I am currently thinking of writing a report on Project Management but don't know which industry to choose from. I have written some on Insurance and Telecom industry.

I was very much inclined at Railways or NADRA?? Could you please help?

Regards

J

TELECOM Industry

Pakistan has done alot in Telecom sector.

you could go for NADRA, IT industry, or Telecom.

Railway is amongst the shittiest things around and there isnt even any management there....unless the pure lack of it suits your report. Same goes for PIA.

^^Steel mill also.....

maybe you could write a study on the ports and shipping sector.

karachi is one of the deepest ports in the region and offers good transshipment facilities due to its location and natural harbour.

Already Hutchison Ports is building a container terminal capable of handling ships with 18 meters draught. Presume that this port will also cater to the exports from China's Xinjian Province to the West.

We should also look into oil refinery and ship building.

But this is nothing new and we totally screwed up Gwadar in terms of poor planning.

^^How did we screw things up in Gwadar? Enlighten me my liege

^^How did we screw things up in Gwadar? Enlighten me my liege

How did we not? And why dont you do the enlightening! :laugh:

No seriously, how is it anything but a failure?

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^^How did we screw things up in Gwadar? Enlighten me my liege

Tell me how many ships have berthed in Gwadar since the port started its operations? And I'm not talking about those Bulkers that were discharging wheat for the World Food Program which anyway had to be lightened due to draught restriction.

Gwadar has no infrastructure. railway lines and warehouses should have been built first. And there should have facilitated some of the following:

Afghan imports should be via Gwadar not KHI
Exports from Xinjian province to Gwadar
Pak Fisheries exports from Gwadar not KHI
Ship Breaking, Building, steel recycling industries or some sort of heavy industry should have been set up
Oil, LPG, LNG refineries - may have also worked.

At the moment there is no incentive for laden ships to call Gwadar, what will they take back?

Tell me how many ships have berthed in Gwadar since the port started its operations? And I'm not talking about those Bulkers that were discharging wheat for the World Food Program which anyway had to be lightened due to draught restriction.

Gwadar has no infrastructure. railway lines and warehouses should have been built first. And there should have facilitated some of the following:

Afghan imports should be via Gwadar not KHI
Exports from Xinjian province to Gwadar
Pak Fisheries exports from Gwadar not KHI
Ship Breaking, Building, steel recycling industries or some sort of heavy industry should have been set up
Oil, LPG, LNG refineries - may have also worked.

At the moment there is no incentive for laden ships to call Gwadar, what will they take back?


bak875 Ji :

The problem being faced at the present by Gwadar is that it does not have much of a hinterland to serve.

The key to improve Gwadar’s prosperity lies in developing the “Hinterland” - in this case Balochistan.

Once the Balochistani Developments take place you will see Gwadar prospering and handling the Imports and Exports of Balochistan.

As far as the Central Asian Republics are concerned – and that was considered as a part of Balochistan’s Hinterland – one sees very heavy competition from the Iranian Port of Chah Bahar as I believe that Iranian Railways are developing Rail Links with Afghanistan and Turkmenistan so that the Central Asian Republics can have access to Chah Bahar and even Bandar Abbas.

Cheers:cheers:

The real problem being faced right now by Gwadar is that it is being neglected by the current leaders. Because it saw much of its development under Musharraf's rule, some politicians personally oppose its development. There is a lot of demand from the Chinese side, as Gwadar would be a shorter route than Chabahar geographically (by road, and by rail in the future), but given the current conditions and constant neglectment by the government, the latter of the ports seems more ideal for the Chinese demand.

]The Quaid would be proud of the fact that we are not a theocracy [/B]for the most part. He'll see Pakistan as the moderate state he had invisioned (for the most part).



He'd be even more proud that we've not become secular.

Stop instigating. :sly:

Tell me how many ships have berthed in Gwadar since the port started its operations? And I'm not talking about those Bulkers that were discharging wheat for the World Food Program which anyway had to be lightened due to draught restriction.

Gwadar has no infrastructure. railway lines and warehouses should have been
Infrastructure is not the problem - its the demand. When demand rises, the required infrastructure would follow. I'll agree that the current government is not giving Gwadar the attention it needs. A business would have to be really patriotic to use Gwadar because freight expenses from its use are more expensive than KPT. Also, there are hardly any industrial and/or commercial developments in the city of Gwadar. Businesses need to be offered more incentives in order to kick-start Gwadar's port operations. It'd be a good idea to build a few colleges there so people as well as some commercial industry would flock there (this strategy was used in Chabahar with the establishment of IUC which has affiliations with many foreign universities).