Politicians of other EU members want Bulgaria to be kicked out of EU

[radi6404]

Politicians of other EU members want Bulgaria to be kicked out of EU
That´s incredible, politicians of other nations want Bulgaria to be kicked out of the EU because veryone is corrupt here and only money matters. If Bulgaria manages to be kicked out of th EU they will be the first and the last ones who have reached that. That´s really incredible. And the people are too frightened to finally protest infront of the parlament and don´t care. So if the EU kicks Bulgaria out the people shouldn´t say anything, because they are too frightened to protest and destroy the parlament building and kill the corrupt politics. I got told from several people, that it´s a closed system of corruption and everyone is involved in it, that´s incredible. I´ve also benn told that people with god degree can´t get a job except they pay a high sum of money to a corrupted fucker and then work for him. If they don´t follow all of his instructions they loose their jobs. That´s incredible. When will the poeple finally wake up and do something against the closed corruption system. Guys like Turnovec do nothing but instead insult me because I am aware of the situation here and want people finally to wake up and change it.

This was before one hour and got closed, here are unfortunately only German links to articles that say indirectly that they dont´want Bulgaria in the EU

http://www.cducsu.eu/content/view/5162/4/

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/politik/2008/08/04/bulgarische-kriminelle/streichen-eu-millionen-ein.html

Today I talked with my German father on the phone and he told me that there was an discussion in the news that they want Bulgaria to be kicked out of EU. I think it is not possible to kick out EU members but if it was they probably would kick out us. i will search other sources and translate but pdon´t fucking close the thread because I am not talking nosesence.

[Ivanski]

Brussels sucks d*ck anyway

[radi6404]

If I find the youtube video where they said that I will post it.

[3tmk]

that's old news

I think it's just some politicians of some party who want to do so, but it is not a majority.
And even so, that doesn't mean anything. I don't think they are any more than other right wing politicians who want to kill the EU. They're probably the same.

[bgrs]

I read both articles and nothing like "kicking out of the EU" was ever mentioned. Not to mention that both articles are old and were discussed in the "Лафеджийница" thread. Radisson, I'm beginning to think that you either

1) don't understand Bulgarian quite well
2) don't understand German quite well
3) are trying too hard to troll :lol:

[radi6404]

that´s not a reason to close my theads. I am jsut saying what I´ve heard and not inventing the news to talk bad about Bulgaria.

[bgrs]

Of course that's not a good reason to close your threads. In fact I think that we have to keep an archive of all your posts, especially ones where you try to write in Bulgarian - they are priceless :lol:

[JloKyM]

3tmk, please delete the two threads. They're polluting our forum.

[ВМРО]

They will never kick us out of the EU because of the key geographic location.However freezing our membership is possible under the current flow of the circumstances.Blocking all the funds and making us a net contributor to the EU budget will be a much more effective measure because thus they won't let the Russian influence to increase and will keep the land connection between Greece and the rest of the EU.The main problem for Brussels is the corruption accompanying the absorption of the funds which includes politicians from highest rank.Furthermore if they really freeze all the funds, the pressure on the government will increase dramatically and Stanishev might be forced to leave his chair earlier than expected.Several weeks ago a deputy from EPP said in Burgas:"The EU can't change your government and that's why we stopped your money!".

[canis_bg]

^^ That´s right!
And radi, it´s not so easy to be kicked out of the union, as BMPO said! And an other criteria for example is that the economic of a member of the EU should have a 3% growth each year.....shoud they kick Germany out then?!?!?!!? (2.2% I think! - the largest exporteur of the WORLD).....So calm down.....and stay nice

[3tmk]

I don't want to delete this thread.
EU membership is an important part of Bulgarian politics, and it seems Radi has some big problems with bulgarian society and seems scared that soon enough the whole world will declare Bulgaria to be the world's dump and seal us off like mice or cockroaches.

If anything, I think this is a good thread for people to show Radi that it isn't as easy as he thinks to kick out a country from the EU.

[radi6404]

I don´t want Bulgaria to be kicked out but I want Bulgaria to change, but few people really care about Bulgaria.

[ВМРО]

I think that the 3% restriction don't concern the annual growth but the budget deficit.
Anyway, in our case the sanctions aren't result of poor performance.Perhaps we are the country with the strictest fiscal policy but the level of corruption and the total failure of the juridical system are beyond all bounds.

[JloKyM]

I don't want to delete this thread.
EU membership is an important part of Bulgarian politics, and it seems Radi has some big problems with bulgarian society and seems scared that soon enough the whole world will declare Bulgaria to be the world's dump and seal us off like mice or cockroaches.

If anything, I think this is a good thread for people to show Radi that it isn't as easy as he thinks to kick out a country from the EU.

Ok, but you could delete the other one :)

[bgrs]

The Bulgarian Sociopath Party deserves its own thread :)

[zzibit]

radius if you have such a big problem with BG why do you keep on coming back?
you are such a hypocrite

[bgrs]

I vote "No". Radi is funny :lol:

[Turnovec]

Please cast your votes here if you want Radi a.k.a. Osama Bin Radin a.k.a. Radinho to be kicked out of the Bulgarian forum.

I vote with YES :okay:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/redcard.jpg

[canis_bg]

^^It will be too boring ......

[zzibit]

^^It will be too boring ......

You prefer to be insulted left and right instead because his period comes on oh so often?

[zzibit]

HEll YES! OUT WITH THE PARASITE!!! :bash:

I think we should start a thread with a poll to get rid of radius.
If his insulting and degrading threads are allowed as if it's normal, then there should be no reason why a public vote for permanent ban from the BG section can't occur.

I have had way too much of this idiot's bullshit. :ohno:

[canis_bg]

You prefer to be insulted left and right instead because his period comes on oh so often?

It was a joke man. :D I don´t like the gye too, but it´s the same story with the gipsies - radi has also rights, despite of their minority

[Turnovec]

This guy constantly brakes the rules of these forums.

1. I open a Photo thread about Nessebar and he comes and floods it with 20 totally off topic posts about some psychodelic kinda music etc bullshits :nuts:

2. Anytime he wants to say somethign he opens a separate thread. He could have posted this not in a separate thread but in some other appropriate one. Let's allow him to open tomorrow a thread like "I have diarhia today, its so sick" or "There is a crack on the Struma Motorway km. 24 +200" :nuts:


etc.


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[radi6404]

You guys are parasites, why you not ban Milen Cvetkov, or beat him up, he talks bad about Bulgaria all the time in his shows? Go and beat him up now, will you? No, so come on and don´t whine because I am saying something negative things, but also positive things like the Dupnica thread.

[bgrs]

Hands off Milen Cvetkov, you freak!

4N9QEZzU9LA

[BG_PATRIOT]

^^

this made my day :D:D:D

[Dulgeroff]

^^:lol:

That's some funny sh*t! :lol:

[MystN]

LOL, Radi, was that you calling Cvetkov?

[3tmk]

If you dislike Radi so much, put him on the ignore list, but stop harassing him.
If I see him continuing to troll the forums, I will deal with him

[BG_PATRIOT]

^^

We don't dislike Radi...he is simply our village idiot :D

[mdka]

HEll YES! OUT WITH THE PARASITE!!! :bash:

I think we should start a thread with a poll to get rid of radius.
If his insulting and degrading threads are allowed as if it's normal, then there should be no reason why a public vote for permanent ban from the BG section can't occur.

I have had way too much of this idiot's bullshit. :ohno:

C'mon Radi's very interesting,whats your problem with him?Just dont read his posts

[mdka]

If you dislike Radi so much, put him on the ignore list, but stop harassing him.
If I see him continuing to troll the forums, I will deal with him
I doont think that Radi is doing something against the SSC rules,i didnt know that if someone doesnt likes the opinion of someone else ,the second one should be banned

[mdka]

:okay:I vote "No". Radi is funny :lol:
i also vote NO!

[Falcon83]

Germany 10 years ago was the country that wanted to restrict the deficit/gdp parameter to 3%....and of course years later they were the first to break it:lol:

[Le Clerk]

That's bollocks. Nobody can kick BUlgaria out of the EU. It's just some politicianist declarations to get more popularity among some groups of people who think they pay too much taxes which go to other members states. :bash:

BTW, Radi, I just came from Bulgaria (Sunny Beach and I saw only very nice looking Bulgarian girls over there:eek:). And I remembered you were into German girls.:nuts: Hmmm, I saw some German girls there who may interest you, but you should not annoy them, I tell you, they have a big and heavy hand ussually... :D

[radi6404]

Germany 10 years ago was the country that wanted to restrict the deficit/gdp parameter to 3%....and of course years later they were the first to break it:lol:

Ofcourse Germany isn´t always right and especially in the past they wanted very dumb things like the 3 percent thing. Also many other things, for example the very dumb military service that young people have to do. That´s crazy and extremly oldfashoioned and Germany only got openminded and more european because of the foreigners there, without them Germany would be a very bad place to live in with lots of very dumb people.

"BTW, Radi, I just came from Bulgaria (Sunny Beach and I saw only very nice looking Bulgarian girls over there). And I remembered you were into German girls. Hmmm, I saw some German girls there who may interest you, but you should not annoy them, I tell you, they have a big and heavy hand ussually... "

I know that there are very skinny and good lookiing German girls, they are topnotch, a skinny German in most cases looks better than a skinny Bulgarian girl because the skinny German will be narrower and with no hipbones and better shape. Normalweight Germans might look a little worse than normal weight Bulgarians but there are way more skinny Germans out of each ten than Bulgarians out of each ten. That was offtopic.

[Turnovec]

LOL, Radi, was that you calling Cvetkov?

^^ :yes: :lol::lol::lol:

^^

We don't dislike Radi...he is simply our village idiot :D

^^ 100%

[Wizzard]

To the topic, I think that everybody knows that is it NOT possible to kick out a country from EU. A country just may get out from EU if it wants. The only thing that EU can do is varios sanctions like happened to Austria some time ago...

Also, it would be very unconvenient to do something like this. Like Bulgaria needs EU, also EU needs Bulgaria. Because of work opportunities for Bulgarian people and for example travel opportunities for the rest of EU. The result will be better economic situation of Bulgaria :)

[Dulgeroff]

Ofcourse Germany isn´t always right and especially in the past they wanted very dumb things like the 3 percent thing. Also many other things, for example the very dumb military service that young people have to do. That´s crazy and extremly oldfashoioned and Germany only got openminded and more european because of the foreigners there, without them Germany would be a very bad place to live in with lots of very dumb people.

You should post this in the German forums. Zeeee Germans will appreciate it.:lol: Just like we appreciate your comments about Bulgarians. :)

[radi6404]

I just say the facts Dulgeroff, and I am sure some German will check this out sooner or later and the Germans know that they are now more openminded than ever before and have european thinking not German thinking and things look more like in other countries now. Germans dress better now, talk about more things and are way more openminded, an important reason for this is that they applied do the behaviour of foreigners, they are more openminded then Austrians, Austrians are very patriotic yet nationalistic and like only their own mountains, whine and so on and are not very openminded. But really many Bulgarians are just like that, everything has to be Bulgarian, everywhere they are Chalga must be played, everywhere they are Bulgairan food must be eaten, everywhere they are Bulgarian alkohol is drunk and that´s a thing I don´t like of many Bulgarians, also that they hate gypsies and other nationalites and think Bulgarian women are the best in the world, that´s ludicrous and I am a person who wants to tell that not everything Bulgarian is Gold, if Bulgairans wouldn´t think everything Bulgarian is best my atttude yould be different, too.

[Wizzard]

Austrians are very patriotic yet nationalistic and like only their own mounains, sea and so on

Where is Austrian sea? I would love to go there next year :banana:

[radi6404]

Hands off Milen Cvetkov, you freak!

4N9QEZzU9LA

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That was unbelievable

[[s2jc]hyp]

It doesn't matter if we vote for this ballless, brainless, dickless individual to attempt to stop his ridiculous picture-forum-pointless-thread-pollution rampage.
Anyway I vote yes.

[JuMPer]

fuckin retarded wanker

[insertnickhere]

I don't want to delete this thread.
EU membership is an important part of Bulgarian politics, and it seems Radi has some big problems with bulgarian society and seems scared that soon enough the whole world will declare Bulgaria to be the world's dump and seal us off like mice or cockroaches.

If anything, I think this is a good thread for people to show Radi that it isn't as easy as he thinks to kick out a country from the EU.

then why did you nuke my comment or did i forget to hit post after i typed it?

:cheers:

lots of people have problems with the EU and unfortunately they just wont kick us out and let us breathe.... eussr coming along.

[bgrs]

EUSSR desperately needs its own GULAG.

Maybe we should exchange some know-how with the Russians on that matter...

[radi6404]

fuckin retarded wanker

Stop the namecalling you fucking imbecile.

[bulgrai]

Well people you just should know that Radi is only 14 years old. He's just a kid, what do you expect.

[radi6404]

No, I ´m aktually 20 years old, as if a Bulgarian 14 years old cares about the situation in Bulgaria, so come on.

[bulgrai]

Hahaha, come on. Stop lying. I remember one of your posts , when you said that young people, including your school, the girls in your school and something like that . hahaha

[[s2jc]hyp]

hahahahahahahahaha

[radi6404]

Hahaha, come on. Stop lying. I remember one of your posts , when you said that young people, including your school, the girls in your school and something like that . hahaha

Bullshit, I might have been talking about how my school in Germany was but I have never talked about how my school is now. I have completed school a long time ago. If you want I can proove that I am 20 years old.

[mdka]

Hahaha, come on. Stop lying. I remember one of your posts , when you said that young people, including your school, the girls in your school and something like that . hahaha

i dont see nothing wrong,to be 20 years old and to go to school,the guy might have some problems -may he haves a hard time learning lessons and stayed 1-2 yeras in some grade,am i right radi?
have you stayed in a grade more than one year?

[bgrs]

:lol:

[Dulgeroff]

OMG, here is an article from (www.novinite.com). This really upsets me.

A Procedural Amendment in the European Parliament is Intended to Suspend Bulgaria's Membership in the European Union

15 August 2008, Friday

What began as a politically motivated measure to punish Bulgaria has turned into a new bill that threatens the country's membership status in the European Union.

An emergency meeting was held on Thursday evening (August 14), at the European Parliament’s office of the central committee on intra-union relations. Citing unnamed sources, it is said that deputy minister of internal affairs, Markus Van Stormingelstein has demanded a revision of Bulgaria's membership status.

When asked about the current corruption crisis looming over Bulgaria's socio-political landscape and the probable membership suspension, the seemingly unaware Commissioner Giovani Bertali stated that he had heard of no such thing. He did however say that there were ways in which a country’s membership status could be suspended and that technically Bulgaria was on the brink of such a reality. Nonetheless, Mr. Bertali was optimistic that Bulgaria's government could escape the critical condition by simply arresting high-ranking corrupt members of the political class in the country.

Commissioner Giovani Bertali did not want to elaborate on specifics, even though when asked if such members included the President of Bulgaria Georgi Parvanov, he simply noded his head as if to suggest an indirect "yes" just before walking into the Hall of Ortanz, otherwise informally known as the politburo of Brussels.

By: Desislava Strahotnava Matskava



:ohno:

[[s2jc]hyp]

"By: Desislava Strahotnava Matskava"
само последния ред не разбрах.
това да не е рубрика новини във вестник 3та възраст?

[Dulgeroff]

:lol:

[insertnickhere]

they are just mad we dont care about them

[Dulgeroff]

lol I made that article up. Of course nothing of the sort could happen. Anyway, it was a gift for Radi, but the guy didn't respond to it... wtf? :( anyways, there is no Desislava Strahotna(va) Matska(va)... :lol:

[just4ivaylo]

No, I ´m aktually 20 years old, as if a Bulgarian 14 years old cares about the situation in Bulgaria, so come on.

I'm 15 going on 16..does that count? :cheers:

[radi6404]

Today I saw skinny chicks in Blagoevgrad, I am really wondering, long legged skinny chicks with no hipbones. Great, also I´ve noticed that there are more skinny chicks out there in summer, probably tourists, too, but I know it´s temporary.

[mdka]

^^I know some skinny chicks,if you want i can do something to get a date with a nice,19-20 year old, skinny chick ,do you like this one for exapmle

http://images21.snimka.bg/004052424-big.jpg
i know her personal ,so i can do something if you are interested!

[radi6404]

Loks pretty, but the hair could be straight, I prefer it straight and i need a picture of the whole body with legs, legs are very important.

[mdka]

You dummy :lol:,her hair is original streight,that shape is made with "ma6a" and originally blond also,anyway here she is again with legs
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7996/sss2ol2.jpg
do you like her,if so i can do something about

[BG_PATRIOT]

^^
forget about her, she has way too much fat on her legs...

this is what Radi is seeking :D

http://www.heykool-aid.com/anorexic2pl.jpg

[radi6404]

You dummy :lol:,her hair is original streight,that shape is made with "ma6a" and originally blond also,anyway here she is again with legs
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7996/sss2ol2.jpg
do you like her,if so i can do something about

she looks fine, I need pics where she is standing to see if she has wide hipbones. Where is she from?

[mdka]

^^Enough pics of her for now ,tell me yes or no ?if you say yes i want her i can do something to provide you with a pic of which she is standing,any way she is from plovdiv,she 1,75 sm tall ,so i am afraid that it can turn up that she is taller than you,which will be a problem,for that i am very afraid,how tall are you radi?

[radi6404]

I am 1: 73 - 74, we´d be same height. That´s a bit bad. And I first need a pic where she is standing straight or tell me how her hips are, she may look way different standing straight, does she have small ro no hips or wider hips?

[mdka]

^^Well i dont know as far as i remeber she is keen on short men so that wont be such a problem for her ,my be only for you ,especially if she is on high shoes,that will make problem with kissing eventually,but not in sex ....so i dont see a very big problem,so yes or no?too do something to meet yoo two or not,do you like her?
BTW how many counts(girl) in bed have had radi so far with skinny girls ,are a specialist about skinny girls?

[radi6404]

don´t like high shoes, prefer short shoes, well, I will tell you tomorrow. And tell me how her hips are, that´s important, and it is questionable if she wil have interest in my, if she wants pics of me I can give.

[mdka]

^^ well post your pics here so i can provide a vision of you to her and i will answer you questions immidietely!

[radi6404]

Tomorrow, time to sleep now.

[mdka]

^^I hope you wont forget your promise!

[[s2jc]hyp]

radi, whoever ones you don't like, throw em right my way

[Turnovec]

^^
forget about her, she has way too much fat on her legs...

this is what Radi is seeking :D

http://www.heykool-aid.com/anorexic2pl.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[radi6404]

^^I hope you wont forget your promise!

what promise?

[mdka]

^^to post pictures of yourself!

[radi6404]

^^to post pictures of yourself!

I´ll send tem over pm.

[petet]

България НИКОГА няма да бъде изритана от ЕС,каквото и да правим,изритат ли ни означава,че отиваме при Русия,а Храста от това го е страх

[bgrs]

Да ходят при Русия бабичките, аз нямам никакво желание.

[mdka]

^^Не съм сигурен,че станишев и първанов са на твоето мнение...

[bulgrai]

I´ll send tem over pm.

You promised to show them here !!

[mdka]

I´ll send tem over pm.
Ok ,i am waiting,i cant wait to send them to the girl!!!

[Le Clerk]

Guys, it seems Romania was also suspended 200 m EUR from Sapard funds for poor management. So, yes, we are competing with you guys. Beware, we are going to be better than you at getting funds suspended! :horse:

[insertnickhere]

no waiiiiiii! i actually like being n1 in that. it gets people talking, it gets your noticed and it gets them thinking about you.

[Dulgeroff]

^^Don't worry, we're still #1.

[High Mileager]

I like how this Irish guy thinks and we(I'm a Romanian) should learn something from him ..


Sir,

Regarding Dr. Orlin Vushkov’s letter on Bulgaria and his bleak outlook of that country (’Young people: Do not go back to Bulgaria!’)

I have never seen, on any subject, someone getting it so wrong. Let me go through this paragraph by paragraph and inject some facts into the proceedings.

1. “Bulgaria is a small country with almost no potential for healthy economic growth”

The facts: Bulgaria is one of the fastest-growing economies in the European Union. Economic growth in 2006 of 6.2%, 2007 5.7% and this years growth is forecast at 5.7%. This growth is exceptional when compared to other EU economies, especially given the global economic climate.

2. “Foreign investors are staying away”

Reality: Bulgaria is a major destination of Foreign Direct Investment. This is not due only to cheaper labour costs, a highly educated work force and Bulgaria’s strategic and geographic location are also major factors. Companies such as Microsoft, GlaxoSmithKline, SAP, AIB, Monsanto and innumerable others are operating in Bulgaria. Also there is major investment from overseas in property and tourist numbers are booming.

3. “All EU countries impose restrictions on Bulgarians”

Fact: The UK and Republic of Ireland are the only countries with work bans on Bulgarian nationals. A stupid and unnecessary measure, but it exists all the same. To state that this applies to all EU countries is mere fantasy.

4. “It is more worthwhile to go to Africa than return to Bulgaria”

Africa is a continent, not a country. This is a very wide, sweeping statement and I am not sure if this is meant as an insult to Africans or Bulgarians or both. On the whole, Bulgaria is now in a position that the majority of African countries can only dream of.

Dr. Vushkov (MBA), to give his full title, seems to me a bitter and disappointed individual. I would respectfully suggest that unless he has an informed opinion to put across he would kindly keep his twisted opinions to himself.

5. “The EU failed in Bulgaria”

THe EU is only getting started in Bulgaria and the change and progress it will affect will be considerable. Many countries have joined the EU in worse positions than Bulgaria - look at Ireland when they joined in 1973 after two unsuccessful attempts. Terrorism , corruption and organised crime were rampant.

I am Irish and work a lot in Bulgaria. It is a terrific place to work and hard work and effort is rewarded. It is very similar to Ireland in the early 1990s when our boom started. Back then we also had our share of naysayers, but I have never encountered someone who vilifies their own country in such a manner. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

My advice to young people would be to go to Bulgaria, bring home your ideas and your skills and become part of the major economic boom that is currently underway. It will not be easy and effort and persistence is required. But do not simply sit on the sidelines and complain - get involved and play a part in your economy.

I would also seriously advise any young Bulgarians not to listen to the simplistic ideals of Dr. Vushkov. This person has obviously not done any research on the matter but feels he can preach on the subject, a poor course of action for such an educated individual.

Colin Hanley

Ireland


from:
http://euractiv.blogactiv.eu/2008/06/12/young-people-should-return-to-booming-bulgaria/

[petet]

I won't give a comment on this!

[Turnovec]

Thanks for the article High Mileager. Anyway , if you ask co-forumers like new bulgaria, dia, zzbit, BG_Patriot etc. if they would like to follow mr. Hanley's advice and return to booming Bulgaria i guess their answer would be negative ... 100%

[petet]

I want to ask all Bulgarians who works/living (dunno) abroad?Why?Do you planning to come in BG,when? etc

[zzibit]

the way things are going, yes I plan on returning to BG one day. most likely for my retirement, but things change all the time so u never know.

[BG_PATRIOT]

To tell you the truth...in the 2 last years, there is a trend going on with Montreal Bulgarians...quite a few of my parent's friends (40s to 60s) have returned back to Bulgaria...

Some have married and gone back, but most I would say did so by opening their own business in BG.

Like for instance, my parents knew this couple that had been living in Montreal for +20 years, last year they decided to sell their business (they owned 3-4 small food retailers in Montreal) and go back to live and start a new business in BG. Well that is what they did...last news I have heard from, was that the man had opened with his brother 2 stores somewhere close to Maria Luiza blvd...Anyways from what I understand, my parents are also interested in going back to BG, eventually around their 60s-70s...

I would also be interested in going back to BG, but it would definitively be in a later stage of my life, but like zzibit said you never know what life hold for you...

[mdka]

Thanks for the article High Mileager. Anyway , if you ask co-forumers like new bulgaria, dia, zzbit, BG_Patriot etc. if they would like to follow mr. Hanley's advice and return to booming Bulgaria i guess their answer would be negative ... 100%

Turnovec ,you sound like one of the 5000 who will go on a holiday for free,stop with such bullshit,who cares if emigrants will return or not,bulgaria should continiue forward step by step,80% of the people abroad will never return ,even if the standart is almost equal,but with such negative thinking things will never change,anyway you see that even the westen countries have economical problems which with get more and more serious,for example now many idiots who dont read the news are going to spain to work in the construction but recently they are comming back,guess why:lol::lol:
stiga s tezi babi6ki prostotii mladite izbqgaha,nikoi ne ostana v taq durjava i tn i tn ,kat sa izbqgali then si problem,ne trqbva horata tuk da se kompleksirat ot tozi fakt

[mdka]

To tell you the truth...in the 2 last years, there is a trend going on with Montreal Bulgarians...quite a few of my parent's friends (40s to 60s) have returned back to Bulgaria...

Some have married and gone back, but most I would say did so by opening their own business in BG.

Like for instance, my parents knew this couple that had been living in Montreal for +20 years, last year they decided to sell their business (they owned 3-4 small food retailers in Montreal) and go back to live and start a new business in BG. Well that is what they did...last news I have heard from, was that the man had opened with his brother 2 stores somewhere close to Maria Luiza blvd...Anyways from what I understand, my parents are also interested in going back to BG, eventually around their 60s-70s...

I would also be interested in going back to BG, but it would definitively be in a later stage of my life, but like zzibit said you never know what life hold for you...

Тези са постъпили доста глупаво ,поне според мен,едва ли ще успеят тук,свикнали са на доста по-добри условия за правене на бизнес.

[Dulgeroff]

I will be opening a hi-tech firm in Bulgaria. I have had some problems that I'm dealing with right now in regards to some administrative barriers, but I should have things up and running. BTW, I also live in China and Canada, but that doesn't change the fact that I can also live and work in my country of birth. I like the international lifestyle and if anything I plan to spend ~1/3 of my yearly time in BG. I am 27 years old. :)

PS: The way I see it, BG has every potential to become a niche oriented hi-tech development centre. It will take time, but it can be done! And yes, there must be thousands of other young Bulgarians who have grown up in the West yet nonetheless want to help make Bulgaria an innovative economy of the future. The long-term key for Bulgaria is to have an excellent TOP-NOTCH education system that young parents can trust/cherrish so that they have a solidified way to guarantee their children a future where they can compete in an ever hyper-competitive world... If Bulgaria focuses on education, then the country will be completely changed within 15 years. Afterall, today's 1st graders will be graduating from university in ~15 years, and if they have been trained according to the most stringent and innovative educational programs regarding mathematics, the sciences, business, international relations, while stimulated to have a patriotic value system that functions symbiotically with cosmopolitan perspectives then they will be able to take advatange of all the opportunites our country has to offer and indeed integrate it seemlessly into the global marketplace.

[insertnickhere]

Thanks for the article High Mileager. Anyway , if you ask co-forumers like new bulgaria, dia, zzbit, BG_Patriot etc. if they would like to follow mr. Hanley's advice and return to booming Bulgaria i guess their answer would be negative ... 100%

im sure they speak for EVERYONE? :ohno::bash:

[zzibit]

hey weren't u the one that lived in the states and came back?

[insertnickhere]

I will be opening a hi-tech firm in Bulgaria. I have had some problems that I'm dealing with right now in regards to some administrative barriers, but I should have things up and running. BTW, I also live in China and Canada, but that doesn't change the fact that I can also live and work in my country of birth. I like the international lifestyle and if anything I plan to spend ~1/3 of my yearly time in BG. I am 27 years old. :)

PS: The way I see it, BG has every potential to become a niche oriented hi-tech development centre. It will take time, but it can be done! And yes, there must be thousands of other young Bulgarians who have grown up in the West yet nonetheless want to help make Bulgaria an innovative economy of the future. The long-term key for Bulgaria is to have an excellent TOP-NOTCH education system that young parents can trust/cherrish so that they have a solidified way to guarantee their children a future where they can compete in an ever hyper-competitive world... If Bulgaria focuses on education, then the country will be completely changed within 15 years. Afterall, today's 1st graders will be graduating from university in ~15 years, and if they have been trained according to the most stringent and innovative educational programs regarding mathematics, the sciences, business, international relations, while stimulated to have a patriotic value system that functions symbiotically with cosmopolitan perspectives then they will be able to take advatange of all the opportunites our country has to offer and indeed integrate it seemlessly into the global marketplace.

education is a tricky thing. for one you need to ensure that your returns expectations will be met, as education is an investment. if you cannot earn enough, it is pointless. There, i said it and im sure it reflects a broad mindset. Few learn for the sake of it after all. And if we are realistic, unless you are paying someone for all those years of exams and even student loans, then the whole thing has been pointless.

This brings us to the social balance. You cannot have the entire population be on the same level. It is unnatural. Some people have the drive, others do not. You can only push forward so many. There needs to be a layer of society that is just happy with menial chores and do them the best they can. Though for this to be so the negativity surrounding it has to be overcome.

The education does not make the person. You are aware how often you get people whining about how XY makes H with his 5000 degrees while N makes HH with his 2000 degrees. People need to realize that your degrees aint worth shit if you are a douche, and there are many douches out there. As such success and rewards need to be measured based on personal capability and desire, rather than on simple academic standing. You could be the most educated person in the world, but unless you can somehow use this to the benefit of the society, you are worthless, you are in fact, ranked lower than the guy who takes your garage out (he is keeping you healthy...).

We are not in asia and we cannot expect to be some proverbial electronics mass. Let us be realistic here. We need industry. Real industry. The same that has been sold and destroyed for the past 30 years. If you somehow dream that you can get 7.5 million people with one of the lowest internet and computer usage in the continent into a technological niche of a paradise, then i say step off the crack and smell reality.

[mdka]

Here something interesting,well not very true but


Българи в Испания искат 1500 лв. заплата, за да се върнат
Емигрантите и работодателите попълват анкети до 25 септември т.г.

Една четвърт от българските имигранти в Испания биха се върнали в родината срещу месечна заплата от 1500 лв. Едва по-малко от 2% от сънародниците ни в кралството са готови да се приберат срещу 700 лв. месечно.

Това сочат междинните резултати от анкетите, които Министерството на труда и социалната политика пусна сред най-голямата българска общност в Европа, за да проучи нагласите на емигрантите да дойдат да работят в България.

Цели 58.06% от българите в Испания не работят по специалността си, показват още данните. 35.49% от попълнилите анкетата посочват, че работата им изисква по-ниска или много по-ниска квалификация от тази, която имат.

82.26% от нашите имигранти в Испания са на възраст от 25 до 44 години, 46.77% са с висше образование, 27.42% - със средно специално и 17.74% - със средно.

Паралелно с нагласите на емигрантите, социалното министерство проучва и мнението на работодателите в България – дали биха наели завърнали се от чужбина българи и при какви условия, както и дали биха се включили в трудова борса зад граница.
40% от попълнилите анкетата работодатели посочват, че търсят работници или специалисти. 20 на сто от общия брой анкетирани отговарят, че много трудно намират работници, а 40% - специалисти. Една пета от тях си обясняват този проблем с големия поток напуснали страната през последните години, 10% - с недостатъчното ниво на квалификация на трудоспособното население в нашата страна. Само 10% не изпитват трудности с намирането на работна ръка.

Анкетните карти за работещите в Испания българи и за работодателите могат да се попълват до 25 септември т.г. Окончателните резултати ще бъдат оповестени в началото на октомври. От тях ще зависи какви фирми ще бъдат поканени за участие в предстоящата трудова борса в кралството в началото на ноември т.г.

Преди края на годината такава трудова борса ще се проведе и в Гърция, където българската имигрантска общност също е много голяма.




http://www.karieri.bg/show/?storyid=544825

interesting comments

Баща ми живее в Испания от 6 години, специалист,с висше образование и категорично отказва да се върне тук и за 5 000 лв заплата. Според него нищо не може да компенсира мръсотията, простотията, беззаконието, дупките по пътищата, хаоса, корупцията, непрекъснато да му се искат пари под масата за дребни неща, които уж се полагат или тряба да се изпълнят по задължения. Той си идва за месец, но след 2 седмици вече не му се стои тук. Майка ми е в Гърция от 10 г. и колкото и да мрази гърците, като се сети какво я чака тук и ги заобичва. Медицинска сестра е. Противно на истерията ,че няма мед . сестри и има глад за тях, зимата прекара 2 месеца в България и не си намери работа, а обиколи всички центрове, болници, даже и за чистачка не намери


Ами идват си тези които не са успели да се реализират. Както и остават в БГ тези които са прекалено тъпи или мързеливи за да заминат.То май в БГ само такива останаха.



аз взимам 1500 евро за работа от 130ч месечно в Мадрид,и за 3000лв не бих се прибрал при простотиата и наглоста

[insertnickhere]

blah bla.. half are kids under 15.

[mdka]

^^
those who made the statistic for the 1500 lv,you mean:)

[Dulgeroff]

education is a tricky thing. for one you need to ensure that your returns expectations will be met, as education is an investment. if you cannot earn enough, it is pointless. There, i said it and im sure it reflects a broad mindset. Few learn for the sake of it after all. And if we are realistic, unless you are paying someone for all those years of exams and even student loans, then the whole thing has been pointless.

This brings us to the social balance. You cannot have the entire population be on the same level. It is unnatural. Some people have the drive, others do not. You can only push forward so many. There needs to be a layer of society that is just happy with menial chores and do them the best they can. Though for this to be so the negativity surrounding it has to be overcome.

The education does not make the person. You are aware how often you get people whining about how XY makes H with his 5000 degrees while N makes HH with his 2000 degrees. People need to realize that your degrees aint worth shit if you are a douche, and there are many douches out there. As such success and rewards need to be measured based on personal capability and desire, rather than on simple academic standing. You could be the most educated person in the world, but unless you can somehow use this to the benefit of the society, you are worthless, you are in fact, ranked lower than the guy who takes your garage out (he is keeping you healthy...).

We are not in asia and we cannot expect to be some proverbial electronics mass. Let us be realistic here. We need industry. Real industry. The same that has been sold and destroyed for the past 30 years. If you somehow dream that you can get 7.5 million people with one of the lowest internet and computer usage in the continent into a technological niche of a paradise, then i say step off the crack and smell reality.

No offence insertnickhere, but while I partially agree with some things you said, most of your last post sounded like gas coming out of your ass.

I'm also not sure what proverbial electronics mass you're talking about as I made no mention of such. Look up the definition of hi-tech and all that it encompasses if you want to give reasonably intelligent critiques of my perspectives. As for education, it is in fact the core of a society. Korea, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan are all good examples of this. Education was their relatively fast escape from 3rd world status to leaders in certain fields of science and technology. Look up the international per capita R&D expenditures, per capita patent recognitions etc and you'll see that these countries are indeed ahead of the game even though they are also relatively small and new players on the global block (Singapore and Taiwan). You can also look up their trade balances and per capita incomes. Compare that to 30 years ago and the picture becomes quite clear. No other countries have come such a long way in so little time.

After one familiarize him/herself with their development strategies of the past it becomes evidently clear what spearheaded their success stories. EDUCATION! YES EDUCATION from A-Z, from the age of three onward... Most of my last 8 years have been spent in these countries and I have seen first-hand what a good education does for a nation. Education is what allows a population to be productive, to be motivated, to be capable of developing products and services that have a high degree of added value. It's not only about learning math skills, but also about learning discipline and having various values/ideals instilled that will make you ashamed of not being a highly productive member of society.

Unfortunately your last paragraph makes me exceptionally disappointed in you. It's your kind of attitude that I can't stand. In any case, you can be a whiner who doesn't believe that Bulgaria can be niche leader in science and technology, while I am going to be a person who tries to help Bulgaria become that which I think it can be. I may be just one guy, but if there's enough of us out there we'll be able to overcome the crappy mass disease that your personality type brings out in a struggling country. We'll chat again in 30 years!

[radi6404]

Oh, I am sorry Dulgeroff but he is right in his last paragraph. Bulgaria is in fact a nation with one of the lowest computer usages in europe, Internet not however. It´s normal, that if some famalies have computer to have a good internet connection However now it comes. Most Bulgarians, at least 80% of those who have a computer have a shitty computer and they don´t upgrade it often or at all. While my friends have 4 year old computers with AMD Sempron processors with 1,8 GHz real clockspeed I have a dualcore processor from AMD with 2 X 3200 MHz coreclock which is more than 3 times faster. They still think upgrading the Ram from 512 MB to 1 GB will give a performance boost altough standart for today is 4 GB, lower standart but still ok is 2 GB of DDR2 memory, I don´t know a person here with DDR2 memory of my friends. Most of my friends have a standart configuration with Ati Radeon 9550 gpu, altough the standart gpu for todays computers is Ati Radeon 3870 or 4870/4850/ nVidia 8800 GT/9800GTX. I have a slow gpu 8600GTS overclocked and running at 820 MHz gpu clock and 1115 memory speed, even that gpu is 10 times faster than the 9550 graphics card.

Now you might think why am I telling all that.It´s because the other people want have a good computer, too, to play latest games and use latest music, photo and video applcation which take the advantage of multicpu rendering. But they don´t have good systems. And that´s not because they don´t have the money, they are simply not informed and they have apsolutely no clue how to get informed what is standart for today in computer technology. They think their systems and graphics cards are fast altough none of the games or applications will run fine on their old systems. Than they wonder why. Honestly I didn´t meet so many people in one country who don´t have a clue about today´s computer technology which is definatly a bad thing. If I ask them what´s a 3870 graphics card they will look at me with opened mouth. If I would ask hwo AMD´s latest processor amaly is called they would be wondering what I am talking about. In more developed countries this doesn´t happen that often. Altough it happens often enough in there.

[Dulgeroff]

^^Radi I wasn't talking about anything related to internet connectivity or general computer skills. I'm talking about something else that he said... Read again and please analyze this discussion in more detail. You are a smart guy and I'm sure you know what the deal is!

The countries I mentioned in my last post are the same national entities that today research, invent, develop and produce leading innovative computer technology (as well as many other techs in the bio-sciences, telecommunications, civil engineering, transportation etc) were just 30 years ago far less developed than Bulgaria is today. In fact they were less developed than Bulgaria was then as well. Their populace had even less practical skills than our populace and their financial reach was next to non existant. Nonetheless today Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore are at the global forefront both economically and technologically. Think about that before you simply emphasize inconsequential realities that are present in every developing country. What we lack today as a nation can be overcome not only with hard work, but with smart work. We need to channel our human ressources...

Remember, the first step to fixing something is believing that you can do it no matter how hard or even impossible it may seem. The second step is thinking about how to do it and either (a) using the lessons you learned from others who have succeeded before you and/or (b) inventing new ways of accomplishing even more by plotting a development path that is not focused on catching up to current leaders (the past and present), but on actually surpasing them (the future). The third step is asking yourself what your role as an individual will be in this plan. The fifth step is dedicating yourself to that role and doing the best that you can to achieve the goals set within it. The sixth step is leaving this world a better place then it was when you first arrived upon it.

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!

Note: The part about being a pessimist who enjoys whining and 'stealing candy from little children' is not included in any of those steps I listed. :)

[insertnickhere]

No offence insertnickhere, but while I partially agree with some things you said, most of your last post sounded like gas coming out of your ass.

I'm also not sure what proverbial electronics mass you're talking about as I made no mention of such. Look up the definition of hi-tech and all that it encompasses if you want to give reasonably intelligent critiques of my perspectives. As for education, it is in fact the core of a society. Korea, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan are all good examples of this. Education was their relatively fast escape from 3rd world status to leaders in certain fields of science and technology. Look up the international per capita R&D expenditures, per capita patent recognitions etc and you'll see that these countries are indeed ahead of the game even though they are also relatively small and new players on the global block (Singapore and Taiwan). You can also look up their trade balances and per capita incomes. Compare that to 30 years ago and the picture becomes quite clear. No other countries have come such a long way in so little time.

After one familiarize him/herself with their development strategies of the past it becomes evidently clear what spearheaded their success stories. EDUCATION! YES EDUCATION from A-Z, from the age of three onward... Most of my last 8 years have been spent in these countries and I have seen first-hand what a good education does for a nation. Education is what allows a population to be productive, to be motivated, to be capable of developing products and services that have a high degree of added value. It's not only about learning math skills, but also about learning discipline and having various values/ideals instilled that will make you ashamed of not being a highly productive member of society.

Unfortunately your last paragraph makes me exceptionally disappointed in you. It's your kind of attitude that I can't stand. In any case, you can be a whiner who doesn't believe that Bulgaria can be niche leader in science and technology, while I am going to be a person who tries to help Bulgaria become that which I think it can be. I may be just one guy, but if there's enough of us out there we'll be able to overcome the crappy mass disease that your personality type brings out in a struggling country. We'll chat again in 30 years!

I am aware i dont match your vision and vice versa and thats alright.

It is evident you are aiming at a high tech based workforce backed by education aimed in this direction. You continue to reinforce this and I will tell you right now, it is a pipe dream. Will not happen as it takes at least a generation for it to grow into the population. With a tech base as limited as ours is, you are still 50 years away so lets be more realistic about the type of industry that is actually viable in the country.

You are bringing up education and i am bringing up the use for it. Do you see a little miss between the two? If you dont then what is the sole reason for the degradation of our good (back in the day) system that exported some very capable folks abroad? Sure as f isnt the lack of milk in the stores. Its the pay, its the jobs. When you have a highly educated workforce that workforce will not tolerate/or

1. crap
2. lack of pay
3. perform at optimum.

They will in fact leave. You seem to be doing this in reverse though. Instead you need to first create the base and demand for such a workforce and then complain that such is missing. Because otherwise all you are doing is educating emigrants. Perhaps you missed this in my original post. This has been supported for a while now and it still is as valid as ever. We have educated people. We dont have jobs for them. And you want more of them? What are they going to do exactly? tech support? Awesome.

Yes it is case of the egg or the hen; which came first, but we have/had the workfoce and screwed it up. So why not address the reasons and correct them. All these mofos whining in spain or whereever picking veggies are irrelevant. What is relevant is keeping the remainder in by offering them a chance at a better life that what they can get outside. Until you do that, all the education in the world will not save you. Because when you reach a level of stimuli you will have outside brains coming in as well, like is the case elsewhere in the world.

All your stats from paragraph one are devoid of one thing; markets. Markets create demand. Where are our markets? Again, all the brains in the world won't do you good unless you have a way to use them. You just seem to assume that if you do one thing the rest will follow. Its doesnt work like that. If i am missing something, do explain.


I am a realist. And realist says that my education gets me 1000lv at some guvment job and doing something else gives me 3500. That is the point i am making as that is the flaw and that flaw, you dear, are clueless about.

A niche is a bad thing. It makes you dependent and fragile. Diversification allows you to capture the abilities of all your people, not just few. It also offers a safeguard against global trends. Because you are just lying to yourself if you think you can create a society based around a single thing, and still have an actual state that is well developed and offers a high standard to all its people. I love it when people dont bother to think over what ive typed. It allows me to write a volume.

I am sure you will still miss at least half of what is said, so dont worry. Ask and it shall be explained. At one point I shall spoonfeed it till it sets in.

[Dulgeroff]

I am aware i dont match your vision and vice versa and thats alright.

It is evident you are aiming at a high tech based workforce backed by education aimed in this direction. You continue to reinforce this and I will tell you right now, it is a pipe dream. Will not happen as it takes at least a generation for it to grow into the population. With a tech base as limited as ours is, you are still 50 years away so lets be more realistic about the type of industry that is actually viable in the country.

You are bringing up education and i am bringing up the use for it. Do you see a little miss between the two? If you dont then what is the sole reason for the degradation of our good (back in the day) system that exported some very capable folks abroad? Sure as f isnt the lack of milk in the stores. Its the pay, its the jobs. When you have a highly educated workforce that workforce will not tolerate/or

1. crap
2. lack of pay
3. perform at optimum.

They will in fact leave. You seem to be doing this in reverse though. Instead you need to first create the base and demand for such a workforce and then complain that such is missing. Because otherwise all you are doing is educating emigrants. Perhaps you missed this in my original post. This has been supported for a while now and it still is as valid as ever. We have educated people. We dont have jobs for them. And you want more of them? What are they going to do exactly? tech support? Awesome.

Yes it is case of the egg or the hen; which came first, but we have/had the workfoce and screwed it up. So why not address the reasons and correct them. All these mofos whining in spain or whereever picking veggies are irrelevant. What is relevant is keeping the remainder in by offering them a chance at a better life that what they can get outside. Until you do that, all the education in the world will not save you. Because when you reach a level of stimuli you will have outside brains coming in as well, like is the case elsewhere in the world.

All your stats from paragraph one are devoid of one thing; markets. Markets create demand. Where are our markets? Again, all the brains in the world won't do you good unless you have a way to use them. You just seem to assume that if you do one thing the rest will follow. Its doesnt work like that. If i am missing something, do explain.


I am a realist. And realist says that my education gets me 1000lv at some guvment job and doing something else gives me 3500. That is the point i am making as that is the flaw and that flaw, you dear, are clueless about.

A niche is a bad thing. It makes you dependent and fragile. Diversification allows you to capture the abilities of all your people, not just few. It also offers a safeguard against global trends. Because you are just lying to yourself if you think you can create a society based around a single thing, and still have an actual state that is well developed and offers a high standard to all its people. I love it when people dont bother to think over what ive typed. It allows me to write a volume.

I am sure you will still miss at least half of what is said, so dont worry. Ask and it shall be explained. At one point I shall spoonfeed it till it sets in.

Well first of all I am a Bulgarian who is highly educated and financially well off, yet I am now spending a good chunk of my time in Bulgaria getting my second overseas office going. So, I am in fact proof that what you say is untrue, because after all I am involved in international business and though I could work just about anywhere in the world, I am choosing to focus on Bulgaria and I am finding all the educated people that I need right here in our "tainted" homeland. Just like I found them in Shanghai... I also have a few other buddies who have come back to Bulgaria and are doing similar things... Many others are planning their return, not because they (we) think it's easy to be successful in Bulgaria, but because we love the nation and we want to help it escape its shitty past. We also have finely tuned international skills as we've grown up as chameleons having to adapt to various cultures around the world. We feel equally at home within Bulgaria and abroad. We have connections here and there and most importantly we have a vision for the future. At the moment we are not exceptionally visible as we're clouded by the pessimism that people such as yourself often express, but at the same time unlike you we're actually going to make this country a highly developed and competitive entity.

You also didn't respond to the EA country examples I gave. These countries had it far worse than Bulgaria, and yet their brains largely stayed within their national borders. Those that didn't, got educated and acquired work experience abroad. In many cases they then went back to their motherlands just like I have. I have a few Taiwanese friends who have done just that. They are also doing their thing in China as they consider this country their ancestral point of origin. While Taiwan used to be poorer than any Eastern European country just 30 years ago, it is now not only richer than "us" but also richer than many Western countries. Your computer is probably a product of countless Taiwanese patents as well as hi-tech firms that poured all their resources in related R&D activities over the last three decades.

In the not too distant past, the Asian tiger economies that I mentioned did not have an economic base with high wages nor a good education system. Their first priority in the early 70s was to lay the foundations of their future productive societies by having a solid educational framework. I don't know how much economic and/or practical business experience you have, but you are very confused about the need for a market within your country. NO! When you create an export-oriented economy with services and products that are of high added value, you don't need an internal market what-so-ever. In fact, it's better if you don't have much of one as to stimulate a positive trade balance. That's how the said countries did what they did. The export-oriented businesses were told by their governments to only sell their products abroad. As a new educated workforce was graduating, there was just enough developed HR to create the critical mass needed to get various companies rolling ahead. Since wages were still very low, their initial advantage was to utilize their brainpower whilst competing on price. As they penetrated foreign markets, their profits grew, their countries began sucking in hard currency. Wages grew a bit and the education system kept pouring more and more of the necessary brainpower to keep the niche oriented export economy afloat. Soon after they started to shift their products toward quality oriented customers. As they penetrated this foreign target market, even more hard currency flowed into their HR. Then they shifted toward being innovators. The rest is history...

The problem with Bulgaria is not that there wasn't a base, it's that the base was structured on the inefficient principles of the planned communist economy. People left because they knew that the state was bankrupt and indeed vandalized by the commie crooks at the top. The problem with the commie economy is not that it produced too many educated individuals, but that it didn't reward those individuals. A bus driver who was a member of the communist party made more money than my two parents who are top-notch structural engineers. A government employee who sat behind a desk all day long smoking cigarettes while not doing so much as lifting their pinkie all day long got paid more than my four grandparents who were all medical doctors. There was not an economy of competitive stimulus. You have it all wrong Nick, because our problem was not anything other than the fact that the commies could only stay in power long enough to steal just about everything there was to still by rewarding the oversized backward and lazy state bureaucracy. Indeed hard work did not equal high rewards. That's why as many intellectuals had a chance to escape they indeed escaped. However even if Bulgaria was twice as poor, yet market oriented, many of these people would have stayed because the efficiency of a transparent capitalist regulatory system would have allowed them to realize themselves similarly to how the educated workforce did in the formerly poor tiger economies of Asia. Also many people knew that the pseudo-democracy, which was taking shape in the early 90s, was going to be even worse for the country as a whole. In 1990 my parents stated that Bulgaria was going to turn into a lawless society, which they believed was even worse than the formal communist state. They were right... Now finally I'm seeing the beginnings of the proper stimulus/reward regulatory system. Sure things are still not pretty, but at least those that are highly educated and highly motivated can make something of themselves.

Anyway, the tiger economies of Asia developed their educational systems first and made sure that they instilled positive values within their future workforce. They also made sure that the mathematics and science based education would be more advanced than competing educational systems in the West. Their governments also stated they would help any company willing to re-invest its profits into R&D activities. They also reduced personal income and corporate taxes to a bare minimum... Sound familiar?

As the new generation of educated young adults were graduating from university it also became clear that many were starting their own science/technology-based corporations. These young adults were utilizing their progressive education as the psychological base upon which they could consider becoming successful entrepreneurs. At the same time they were also utilizing the administrative regulations that promised tax cuts and state aid should their companies develop export oriented high added value products/services. From 1970 to 1990, both Taiwan and Singapore went from being very poor third world countries with uneducated workforces to being leading hi-tech export oriented economies that had clearly entered the first world. That's 20 years, not 50 as you say.

Education is always first!

PS: All successful small countries are niche oriented economies. They are simply not large enough to do everything! Take for example the Swiss, or perhaps Luxembourg. Maybe you could evaluate Singapore. Or how about the SAR of HK. What about the SAR of Macau. The UAE? Taiwan? Please get the facts straight...

You are smart (yet currently clouded by the propaganda) so I hope one day your brain switches on the light bulb it was meant to utilize for the benefit of your fellow men and women...

[insertnickhere]

Well first of all I am a Bulgarian who is highly educated and financially well off, yet I am now spending a good chunk of my time in Bulgaria getting my second overseas office going. So, I am in fact proof that what you say is untrue, because after all I am involved in international business and though I could work just about anywhere in the world, I am choosing to focus on Bulgaria and I am finding all the educated people that I need right here in our "tainted" homeland. Just like I found them in Shanghai... I also have a few other buddies who have come back to Bulgaria and are doing similar things... Many others are planning their return, not because they (we) think it's easy to be successful in Bulgaria, but because we love the nation and we want to help it escape its shitty past. We also have finely tuned international skills as we've grown up as chameleons having to adapt to various cultures around the world. We feel equally at home within Bulgaria and abroad. We have connections here and there and most importantly we have a vision for the future. At the moment we are not exceptionally visible as we're clouded by the pessimism that people such as yourself often express, but at the same time unlike you we're actually going to make this country a highly developed and competitive entity.

You also didn't respond to the EA country examples I gave. These countries had it far worse than Bulgaria, and yet their brains largely stayed within their national borders. Those that didn't, got educated and acquired work experience abroad. In many cases they then went back to their motherlands just like I have. I have a few Taiwanese friends who have done just that. They are also doing their thing in China as they consider this country their ancestral point of origin. While Taiwan used to be poorer than any Eastern European country just 30 years ago, it is now not only richer than "us" but also richer than many Western countries. Your computer is probably a product of countless Taiwanese patents as well as hi-tech firms that poured all their resources in related R&D activities over the last three decades.

In the not too distant past, the Asian tiger economies that I mentioned did not have an economic base with high wages nor a good education system. Their first priority in the early 70s was to lay the foundations of their future productive societies by having a solid educational framework. I don't know how much economic and/or practical business experience you have, but you are very confused about the need for a market within your country. NO! When you create an export-oriented economy with services and products that are of high added value, you don't need an internal market what-so-ever. In fact, it's better if you don't have much of one as to stimulate a positive trade balance. That's how the said countries did what they did. The export-oriented businesses were told by their governments to only sell their products abroad. As a new educated workforce was graduating, there was just enough developed HR to create the critical mass needed to get various companies rolling ahead. Since wages were still very low, their initial advantage was to utilize their brainpower whilst competing on price. As they penetrated foreign markets, their profits grew, their countries began sucking in hard currency. Wages grew a bit and the education system kept pouring more and more of the necessary brainpower to keep the niche oriented export economy afloat. Soon after they started to shift their products toward quality oriented customers. As they penetrated this foreign target market, even more hard currency flowed into their HR. Then they shifted toward being innovators. The rest is history...

The problem with Bulgaria is not that there wasn't a base, it's that the base was structured on the inefficient principles of the planned communist economy. People left because they knew that the state was bankrupt and indeed vandalized by the commie crooks at the top. The problem with the commie economy is not that it produced too many educated individuals, but that it didn't reward those individuals. A bus driver who was a member of the communist party made more money than my two parents who are top-notch structural engineers. A government employee who sat behind a desk all day long smoking cigarettes while not doing so much as lifting their pinkie all day long got paid more than my four grandparents who were all medical doctors. There was not an economy of competitive stimulus. You have it all wrong Nick, because our problem was not anything other than the fact that the commies could only stay in power long enough to steal just about everything there was to still by rewarding the oversized backward and lazy state bureaucracy. Indeed hard work did not equal high rewards. That's why as many intellectuals had a chance to escape they indeed escaped. However even if Bulgaria was twice as poor, yet market oriented, many of these people would have stayed because the efficiency of a transparent capitalist regulatory system would have allowed them to realize themselves similarly to how the educated workforce did in the formerly poor tiger economies of Asia. Also many people knew that the pseudo-democracy, which was taking shape in the early 90s, was going to be even worse for the country as a whole. In 1990 my parents stated that Bulgaria was going to turn into a lawless society, which they believed was even worse than the formal communist state. They were right... Now finally I'm seeing the beginnings of the proper stimulus/reward regulatory system. Sure things are still not pretty, but at least those that are highly educated and highly motivated can make something of themselves.

Anyway, the tiger economies of Asia developed their educational systems first and made sure that they instilled positive values within their future workforce. They also made sure that the mathematics and science based education would be more advanced than competing educational systems in the West. Their governments also stated they would help any company willing to re-invest its profits into R&D activities. They also reduced personal income and corporate taxes to a bare minimum... Sound familiar?

As the new generation of educated young adults were graduating from university it also became clear that many were starting their own science/technology-based corporations. These young adults were utilizing their progressive education as the psychological base upon which they could consider becoming successful entrepreneurs. At the same time they were also utilizing the administrative regulations that promised tax cuts and state aid should their companies develop export oriented high added value products/services. From 1970 to 1990, both Taiwan and Singapore went from being very poor third world countries with uneducated workforces to being leading hi-tech export oriented economies that had clearly entered the first world. That's 20 years, not 50 as you say.

Education is always first!

PS: All successful small countries are niche oriented economies. They are simply not large enough to do everything! Take for example the Swiss, or perhaps Luxembourg. Maybe you could evaluate Singapore. Or how about the SAR of HK. What about the SAR of Macau. The UAE? Taiwan? Please get the facts straight...

You are smart (yet currently clouded by the propaganda) so I hope one day your brain switches on the light bulb it was meant to utilize for the benefit of your fellow men and women...

I am really not interested in your profile in the least. This isn’t about who is what and who has whatever, and i certainly won't date you so anything you have to say about yourself, please spare me. As much as I find the biography literary, I cannot help it but just scroll over. In another thread it will be excellent of a topic to meddle in, but not here, nor right now.

Now, let’s see what we have left…. I well responded to your EA countries, twice in a row. Not quite sure what more to say about them. I already said it was laughable (excuse my bluntness) to realistically pretend we can be like them in the next 15 years or any other reasonable timeframe. That is for many reasons, many of which are downplayed. While they were colonies of capitalism and were building foreign markets (many prepped up to piss the commies off mind you), we were under the control of an entirely different system. In essence they had a head start at least in terms of what they should be doing. When you speak of EA or even A in general, they have deeply rooted customs that transcend some temporary political system. They are communal populations with submissive layers. We are not. We are at best each man for himself type mentality. This is not something you can ignore, but capitalize on. As of right now, we have not done so.

However if you are to give me an example, look at Ireland, as they match us quite well, at least in their past. EA also began from nothing yes, however we did not. We began from an industrialized nation (heavy industry), some electronics and agrarian development. What do you want all these people to do all of a sudden? Go and buy a 5000$ computer and code the next version of windows? You need to realize that you cannot just oust your history as it is what defines you. You can build you high tech parks till all eternity, and I hope you do so do not get me wrong, but when you make blanket statements that you can have the whole country revolve around this, I just have to look around and wonder, are you being realistic? Obviously I say you are not. You need to realize that I am looking at things from the top, and when you really do that you notice some things. Things such as limits; limitations that you cannot overcome overnight, factors that you will need to deal with and issues that you cannot control. You cannot turn blue collar away just because you are not interested in their livelihood; doing so is nothing short of irresponsible. These people will not go away, neither will others like them. You cannot have a society in which there is one industry because that would suggest your society had no history or only had one history.

How to put it in clearer terms.. Do your thing while not ignoring those who do not fit your model. For a truly prosperous and advanced society you need everything. You need people of all walks performing what they are good at, not what you want them to do! We already tried that! We already tried an idealistic society based upon central order and what was deemed as needed at the time and it failed. Let people do their thing and facilitate it, do not shoot it down. So somebody wants to be a landscaper? Perfect. Hire him to keep your high tech lab’s lawns green and nice. And so forth. And on a larger scale, yes you need diversification. I am tired of stressing this out. Why? Because things change. Demand fluctuates and the more things you have successfully branched in the more resilient you are. This is a simple fact of economics. I have long said we do not do that, but instead we jump with all limbs into whatever is popular at the moment and later suffer when the populism dies out.

You mention we are not big enough to be good in everything; nobody is. However going by your logic, do you not agree that you can still have a diverse base of niche branches in various industries? That is what the swiss do, or do you think they all do the same bloody thing?!

Education needs a use. Without a use, it is worthless. 18th year of living proof.

Trust me, I am plenty utilizing my capacity. Do not worry about me.

[Dulgeroff]

I am really not interested in your profile in the least. This isn’t about who is what and who has whatever, and i certainly won't date you so anything you have to say about yourself, please spare me. As much as I find the biography literary, I cannot help it but just scroll over. In another thread it will be excellent of a topic to meddle in, but not here, nor right now.

Now, let’s see what we have left…. I well responded to your EA countries, twice in a row. Not quite sure what more to say about them. I already said it was laughable (excuse my bluntness) to realistically pretend we can be like them in the next 15 years or any other reasonable timeframe. That is for many reasons, many of which are downplayed. While they were colonies of capitalism and were building foreign markets (many prepped up to piss the commies off mind you), we were under the control of an entirely different system. In essence they had a head start at least in terms of what they should be doing. When you speak of EA or even A in general, they have deeply rooted customs that transcend some temporary political system. They are communal populations with submissive layers. We are not. We are at best each man for himself type mentality. This is not something you can ignore, but capitalize on. As of right now, we have not done so.

However if you are to give me an example, look at Ireland, as they match us quite well, at least in their past. EA also began from nothing yes, however we did not. We began from an industrialized nation (heavy industry), some electronics and agrarian development. What do you want all these people to do all of a sudden? Go and buy a 5000$ computer and code the next version of windows? You need to realize that you cannot just oust your history as it is what defines you. You can build you high tech parks till all eternity, and I hope you do so do not get me wrong, but when you make blanket statements that you can have the whole country revolve around this, I just have to look around and wonder, are you being realistic? Obviously I say you are not. You need to realize that I am looking at things from the top, and when you really do that you notice some things. Things such as limits; limitations that you cannot overcome overnight, factors that you will need to deal with and issues that you cannot control. You cannot turn blue collar away just because you are not interested in their livelihood; doing so is nothing short of irresponsible. These people will not go away, neither will others like them. You cannot have a society in which there is one industry because that would suggest your society had no history or only had one history.

How to put it in clearer terms.. Do your thing while not ignoring those who do not fit your model. For a truly prosperous and advanced society you need everything. You need people of all walks performing what they are good at, not what you want them to do! We already tried that! We already tried an idealistic society based upon central order and what was deemed as needed at the time and it failed. Let people do their thing and facilitate it, do not shoot it down. So somebody wants to be a landscaper? Perfect. Hire him to keep your high tech lab’s lawns green and nice. And so forth. And on a larger scale, yes you need diversification. I am tired of stressing this out. Why? Because things change. Demand fluctuates and the more things you have successfully branched in the more resilient you are. This is a simple fact of economics. I have long said we do not do that, but instead we jump with all limbs into whatever is popular at the moment and later suffer when the populism dies out.

You mention we are not big enough to be good in everything; nobody is. However going by your logic, do you not agree that you can still have a diverse base of niche branches in various industries? That is what the swiss do, or do you think they all do the same bloody thing?!

Education needs a use. Without a use, it is worthless. 18th year of living proof.

Trust me, I am plenty utilizing my capacity. Do not worry about me.

First of all, I haven't given you my biography nor anything other than general information. After all you and I are not friends you still don't know anything truly personal about me. The one thing that you refrain from understanding is that I am actually doingwhat I think will contribute to a better Bulgaria. And as you say, we're free to do as we like. I like being a productive member of Bulgarian society and I like seeing Bulgarians involved in something that is creative and indeed innovative. Second of all, your comments about EA societies show a lack of in-depth understanding. Contrary to what you stated, “they” are not communal populations in any way, form or manner. In fact I have found that the Chinese act very similarly to Bulgarians in general. You'd have to live there for a few years, speak their language and integrate into their societies to be able to talk about what their advantages may or may not be and indeed what their culture is or isn’t. Obviously your statements proved that your only knowledge of EA is generic and not based on a personal life experience within that region of the world.

They also did not have any particular capitalist system to capitalize on. In fact Bulgarians have far more historical experience with capitalism than do the countries I mentioned. The only exception to this are the ~40 years under communism. And if we take China into the mix, one can see how their Maoist communism, which was even more extreme than our own, did not neutralize their ability to restructure according to capitalist principles. Again education came first, then the other steps followed.

Also no one said anything about having one industry. You seem to think that being niche oriented means having just one industry as you imply in your post. Considering your lack of understanding I have to ask if you're still a high school student, because only someone who is learning the basics can make this mistake. Diversification and niche orientation are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps you should read up on what niche orientation means. Specifically, it encompasses multiple industries, wherein a niche is carved out in each and everyone.

I also didn't say anything about ignoring people. Again you don't seem to know how to respond to my posts so you instead decide to change the argument by putting words in my mouth. I am thus curious if you can quote any post of mine where I say to exclude people or also any post where I talk about having one single industry! Find where I've said these things before you decide to sound intelligent. Don't respond until you've specifically provided quotes of me saying either one of those things! Don't tell me about your subjective interpretations of my statements! Don't expand on definitions according to your lack of knowledge!

With regard to your comments about how Bulgaria should be focused on heavy industry, I can again basically state that you don't know much about economic development models and so-called relative advantages. Bulgaria is not very rich in natural resources, nor does it have a big population to support the labour intensive heavy industry that you mention. Anyway, small countries are generally not good candidates for such industries because their physical and demographic figures do not provide a relative advantage to the bigger countries/competitors. Thus what successful small countries with little natural resources usually can do is develop hi-tech niche oriented industries. Since you mention Ireland, why don't you tell me what Ireland's economy is all about? Would you like me to feed you the answer? Think hi-tech smart guy!

Do you know why hi-tech light industry works for small countries, including the one you blindly decided to mention without realizing you were trapping yourself? It's because light industry utilizes less menial labour that requires favourable demographics, and because it does not require equally intense stores of natural resources. What the hi-tech product and service oriented light industries require is an educated workforce... Also, just to make it clear regarding your crude statements about cultural influences on the progress of a nation, I have never seen a more obvious 'every man for himself attitude' than I do in both Bulgaria and greater China, which includes the HK SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan. It didn’t stop them from developing, and on the contrary it may have helped.

You seem to think that communal activities help market driven growth, while in fact the opposite is true. Now I clearly understand why you voted for the BSP. You seem to be stuck in a limbo, where on one hand you talk about the capitalist system as though you understand it, while on the other hand you claim that communally oriented societies succeed quicker in a capitalist system then those societies that value individuality. You have it backwards my dear little chavdarche! “Long live the communal society” says the young Nick as he proudly ties his red scarf.

As for me, you don't need to patronize my efforts within my own company. I will obviously do as I see fit, and as long as I am making a profit from what I do then I will likely continue to do it. So don't talk to me about how I have to regard blue-collar workers. Whatever is profitable should continue functioning in our country and whatever is not should be allowed to die! You can do your work at your local metal laying factory Nick cause obviously you belong there, while I'll focus on working with Bulgarians that are highly educated and very capable of producing new hi-tech products.

PS: One of the elite few Bulgarian companies that people in East Asia have heard of is Daisy Multimedia. They have some very innovative patents and are the only commercial electronics producer in EE. They also have a devoted clientele in EA and even NA. I even saw their products sold in Hong Kong, Shanghai and Tokyo of all places. They are an example of what educated Bulgarians can accomplish. Don't even get me started about the multiple IT R&D labs that have recently opened up in Bulgaria. BTW, good luck at your career at Kremikovtzi.

[insertnickhere]

First of all, I haven't given you my biography nor anything other than general information. After all you and I are not friends you still don't know anything truly personal about me. The one thing that you refrain from understanding is that I am actually doingwhat I think will contribute to a better Bulgaria. And as you say, we're free to do as we like. I like being a productive member of Bulgarian society and I like seeing Bulgarians involved in something that is creative and indeed innovative. Second of all, your comments about EA societies show a lack of in-depth understanding. Contrary to what you stated, “they” are not communal populations in any way, form or manner. In fact I have found that the Chinese act very similarly to Bulgarians in general. You'd have to live there for a few years, speak their language and integrate into their societies to be able to talk about what their advantages may or may not be and indeed what their culture is or isn’t. Obviously your statements proved that your only knowledge of EA is generic and not based on a personal life experience within that region of the world.

They also did not have any particular capitalist system to capitalize on. In fact Bulgarians have far more historical experience with capitalism than do the countries I mentioned. The only exception to this are the ~40 years under communism. And if we take China into the mix, one can see how their Maoist communism, which was even more extreme than our own, did not neutralize their ability to restructure according to capitalist principles. Again education came first, then the other steps followed.

Also no one said anything about having one industry. You seem to think that being niche oriented means having just one industry as you imply in your post. Considering your lack of understanding I have to ask if you're still a high school student, because only someone who is learning the basics can make this mistake. Diversification and niche orientation are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps you should read up on what niche orientation means. Specifically, it encompasses multiple industries, wherein a niche is carved out in each and everyone.

I also didn't say anything about ignoring people. Again you don't seem to know how to respond to my posts so you instead decide to change the argument by putting words in my mouth. I am thus curious if you can quote any post of mine where I say to exclude people or also any post where I talk about having one single industry! Find where I've said these things before you decide to sound intelligent. Don't respond until you've specifically provided quotes of me saying either one of those things! Don't tell me about your subjective interpretations of my statements! Don't expand on definitions according to your lack of knowledge!

With regard to your comments about how Bulgaria should be focused on heavy industry, I can again basically state that you don't know much about economic development models and so-called relative advantages. Bulgaria is not very rich in natural resources, nor does it have a big population to support the labour intensive heavy industry that you mention. Anyway, small countries are generally not good candidates for such industries because their physical and demographic figures do not provide a relative advantage to the bigger countries/competitors. Thus what successful small countries with little natural resources usually can do is develop hi-tech niche oriented industries. Since you mention Ireland, why don't you tell me what Ireland's economy is all about? Would you like me to feed you the answer? Think hi-tech smart guy!

Do you know why hi-tech light industry works for small countries, including the one you blindly decided to mention without realizing you were trapping yourself? It's because light industry utilizes less menial labour that requires favourable demographics, and because it does not require equally intense stores of natural resources. What the hi-tech product and service oriented light industries require is an educated workforce... Also, just to make it clear regarding your crude statements about cultural influences on the progress of a nation, I have never seen a more obvious 'every man for himself attitude' than I do in both Bulgaria and greater China, which includes the HK SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan. It didn’t stop them from developing, and on the contrary it may have helped.

You seem to think that communal activities help market driven growth, while in fact the opposite is true. Now I clearly understand why you voted for the BSP. You seem to be stuck in a limbo, where on one hand you talk about the capitalist system as though you understand it, while on the other hand you claim that communally oriented societies succeed quicker in a capitalist system then those societies that value individuality. You have it backwards my dear little chavdarche! “Long live the communal society” says the young Nick as he proudly ties his red scarf.

As for me, you don't need to patronize my efforts within my own company. I will obviously do as I see fit, and as long as I am making a profit from what I do then I will likely