View Full Version : ARCHIVED: Riparian Plaza - v2
CULWULLA November 1st, 2003, 12:11 PM carried on from part 1.-
last page- pix by Duke
1st NOV
Photos taken today.
Second and third photos show sun screens over windows on left hand corner.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/1novriparian1.JPG
http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/1novriparian2.JPG
http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/1novriparian3.JPG
Dilaz89 November 1st, 2003, 02:24 PM tis' growing at a pretty good rate! icant wait to see it in a couple of months time!
CULWULLA November 2nd, 2003, 07:40 AM guys, ive just worked out by latest pix and my lan of riaprian that when the core rises again it will be just over 100m. so half way!
atm its 98m or level25.
finn November 2nd, 2003, 07:52 AM Hope you don't mind duke, I just merged the second and third images together to do the shot justice and give a complete picture! :)
http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/riparian.jpg
duke November 2nd, 2003, 07:55 AM Good work finn!
JayT November 2nd, 2003, 10:10 AM Any idea how high by christmas?
I'm wondering if I will be able to see it from my bedroom by then.
jt
Fabian November 2nd, 2003, 11:57 PM It's looking Marvellous!!!
Dilaz89 November 5th, 2003, 02:00 PM Originally posted by JayT
Any idea how high by christmas?
I'm wondering if I will be able to see it from my bedroom by then.
jt
how far do you live from brisbane?
JayT November 6th, 2003, 01:18 AM Originally posted by dilaz89
how far do you live from brisbane?
Bowen Hills - about 2km from the CBD.
jt
CULWULLA November 6th, 2003, 02:16 AM Originally posted by JayT
Any idea how high by christmas?
I'm wondering if I will be able to see it from my bedroom by then.
jt
the core is currently 98m/lev25, so maybe another 6 levels by xmas or lev31/120m??
and floor plates 3 levels below that.
airwave86 November 8th, 2003, 01:07 AM this is the view from my balcony as of a few days ago : as u can seee Felix is almost as tall as AMP ! and Riparian, well its definitely taller than the Storey Bridge now !
http://www.denki.com.au/denki1.jpg
Compare this photo with a photo from the same spot back in April this year.
http://www.denki.com.au/DSC00022.jpg
Rusty November 10th, 2003, 02:39 AM Its risen heaps in the last weeks and there is now a massive banner strung over the car park section advertising the official website.
maybe that means it will get updated alot more. Its also looking alot skinnier then I thought it would.
CULWULLA November 10th, 2003, 02:57 AM great pic airwave!
ive worked out the core is now 98m so you can double its height in that pic and that will show how tall. it will be dominating!
defec8R November 15th, 2003, 04:21 AM Taken today 15 Nov.
I'm pretty sure floor 25 is the one almost completed.
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip4.jpg
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip3.jpg
duke November 15th, 2003, 04:42 AM Fantastic photos. Gotta love that optical zoom!
For the record, what camera do you have?
defec8R November 15th, 2003, 04:50 AM Canon S50, a small but expensive 5 megapix. Only 3x optical zoom, but the large pixel count allows for a nicely zoomed image. Unfortunately you can't fit separate lenses to it, unlike the Canon A70 or G5.
RUM November 15th, 2003, 05:17 AM Hey defecater, That first photo is so clear. Great Work!
I'm still concened about how this tower will look at street level, considering that the first 11 floors are carparking.... Are they about half way through the office section? From memory, there were 30 floors of office???
I so hope, they have some sort of lighting which runs down the full length of the southern and northern corner... (where the indents are)
Orodreth November 15th, 2003, 09:38 AM Originally posted by RUM
Hey defecater, That first photo is so clear. Great Work!
I'm still concened about how this tower will look at street level, considering that the first 11 floors are carparking.... Are they about half way through the office section? From memory, there were 30 floors of office???
There are 25 floors of office accomodation.
That first pic is brilliant defec8R, as is the second one aswell! I wish I had ur digital camera!!
Dilaz89 November 15th, 2003, 02:45 PM Originally posted by airwave86
http://www.denki.com.au/DSC00022.jpg
shit wots that thing on cp1?
i am soo going to brisbane one day! :guns1:
duke November 16th, 2003, 12:01 AM Central Plaza has an inbuilt Building Maintenance Unit to allow for external maintenance such as window cleaning.
Normally buildings with a flat top have BMU's that can just be lowered over the side of the building but the design of the top of Central Plaza precludes this.
There was a thread a while ago about buildings with inbuilt BMU's but I think it has probably disappeared.
NCC1701D November 17th, 2003, 03:09 AM Taken today (17-11-03) from Cnr of Charlotte and George Street. If it doesn't work do the cut n paste thing....
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p8589d8602d8c89f020485fcf66ee6d55/fa8ac285.jpg
CULWULLA November 17th, 2003, 03:34 AM wow! thanks for update NCC1701D ! i cant beleive it will be virtually double its height in latest pix. Should look extremely tall especially with 249m antenna!!
NCC1701D November 17th, 2003, 03:42 AM Cul, how did you get the pic to work. Every time I try and download it to image station then post it on to the forum it comes up with "you are trying to access an image outside image station" what the f*ck that means.....
What am I doing wrong??
NCC1701D November 21st, 2003, 12:57 AM Taken today 21-11-03 (Different angle) and the good thing is it is only half way there.............
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p78f16788576fe3ec6edb20a2bd6fdc2e/fa827620.jpg
lozza November 24th, 2003, 03:26 AM Gday
i love the glass @!@!@!@ Looks really, really nice.
I hope they are going to render or at least paint the lower , concrete section of the tower. It detracts form the whole look of the building at the moment.
Does anyone know what they are planning to do with this lower section?
cheers
lozza :dooby:
duke November 24th, 2003, 04:11 AM It is staying exactly as it is. From close up you can see that it is polished reconstituted granite panels.
JayT November 26th, 2003, 02:08 AM The circular pillars between the carpark and the office sections have been painted or rendered white, or a very light colour and it looks great!!!
jt
hoffburger November 26th, 2003, 04:06 AM its taken this long for me to get a bit excited about riparian. lookin damn fine at the moment though
NCC1701D November 26th, 2003, 05:04 AM Originally posted by hoffburger
its taken this long for me to get a bit excited about riparian. lookin damn fine at the moment though
Out of all the construction going on in this fine city, this one for me takes the cake. This building is what got me on this forum.
GMAC November 26th, 2003, 12:24 PM I love the way this building changes the more they build. Noone was excited about it when it was just carpark levels, imagine when they start the residential levels, it will be completely different again.
Mr MacPhisto November 26th, 2003, 12:33 PM Originally posted by NCC1701D
Taken today 21-11-03 (Different angle) and the good thing is it is only half way there.............
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p78f16788576fe3ec6edb20a2bd6fdc2e/fa827620.jpg Thanks for that, great picture. Riparian's looking great.
JayT November 27th, 2003, 10:26 AM I noticed tonight driving down Lutwyche road that Riparians Cranes now rise up behind the Riverside Center. The View from the Northside has now changed forever!!!
jt
NCC1701D November 27th, 2003, 11:09 AM Originally posted by JayT
I noticed tonight driving down Lutwyche road that Riparians Cranes now rise up behind the Riverside Center. The View from the Northside has now changed forever!!!
jt
Even driving on Old Cleveland Rd at Camp Hill coming down towards Cooparoo, you can see Riparian poking its head out to be seen.
JayT November 27th, 2003, 11:30 AM Originally posted by NCC1701D
Even driving on Old Cleveland Rd at Camp Hill coming down towards Cooparoo, you can see Riparian poking its head out to be seen.
It looks awsome driving up Kingsford Smith Drive!!!
jt
GMAC November 27th, 2003, 01:22 PM Another floor and I should be able to see it coming down Musgrave Road and from all around Red Hill, Paddo and Toowong, the cranes all of a sudden look really noticable.
It'll look fantastic soon from Mt Coot-tha too.
You can really notice the shadow on Black Ink and CP2 in that last photo!
Orodreth November 29th, 2003, 03:14 AM View from Kangaroo POint, 29/11/03
http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian2911031.jpg
kaleb777 November 30th, 2003, 03:04 PM Imagestation sucks big donkey dicks!
CaptainJackSparrow December 2nd, 2003, 01:15 AM Checkout Riparian Plaza in VR here:
http://www.construct3d.com/riparian_plaza.htm
lozza December 3rd, 2003, 03:23 AM Yes ~~
" The Bear is certainly starting to poke its head out of the cave ! " :colgate: :rock:
You can see it making an impact on the skyline now !
cheers
lozza:dooby:
Muse December 6th, 2003, 12:35 AM Great construction pics everyone :okay:
Riparian is going to be a very sleek tall indeed and a generation on from the Seidler "Missing Teeth Series" of scrapers.
Its footprint is smaller than Riverside Centre's, isn't it? :?
CULWULLA December 6th, 2003, 03:56 AM Originally posted by Muse
Great construction pics everyone :okay:
Riparian is going to be a very sleek tall indeed and a generation on from the Seidler "Missing Teeth Series" of scrapers.
Its footprint is smaller than Riverside Centre's, isn't it? :?
im not sure. Ive got a floor plan of Riparian and is square with 42m sides. view from river its 51m wide. Riverside is dif shape-triangular and i think 45m sides. so dunno?
CaptainJackSparrow December 7th, 2003, 03:11 AM These 2 pictures are from almost the same angle, so you can see there is still so much to go:
http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT01.jpg
http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian2911031.jpg
Brizbane2 December 7th, 2003, 04:45 AM IMO Riparian is now officially "getting up there." Its now visible from the northern suburbs. One can see its core and upmost constructed level poking up through the skyline from as far away as Alderley (6km from CBD) and even at Mitchelton, and Everton Park (8km from CBD)
duke December 7th, 2003, 08:50 AM Photo taken today. Floors are at level 26 according to numbers on external lift.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/7decriparian1.JPG
NCC1701D December 8th, 2003, 05:57 AM Im going to try and take a shot as below every month or earlier to see how this Mutha is growing. I reckon this is the best angle to get a true indication of how high its going to be. I'll post a new pic soonish.... around the 15th December....
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p8589d8602d8c89f020485fcf66ee6d55/fa8ac285.jpg
CULWULLA December 8th, 2003, 07:40 AM Excellent pix guys! ive worked out by an elevation i have of riparian, the floor plate is approx 13 lvs above first plant room and is now 105m high. the core is approx 3 more levels, thus 112m high. almost 50% still to go.
Brizbane2 December 9th, 2003, 04:34 AM Using Orodreths photos of Riparian dated the 29-11-03, Ive done a little photoshop work to show how far this fella has to go.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cainmail/mypic1.jpg
RUM December 9th, 2003, 04:38 AM oh, I see now.
That does put things into perspective doesn't it!!
Nice Work.
Is it just me, or does it seem as if the top section with the curvy balconys etc... draws the attention away from the lower portions.
Rusty December 9th, 2003, 06:52 AM Damn that thing is huge, and thats pretty much to scale right?
Yeah, your eyes get immediately drawn to the top of the tower.
Aussie Bhoy December 9th, 2003, 02:19 PM Wow, good work Brizbane2, you are a whizz with Photoshop.
CULWULLA December 9th, 2003, 11:33 PM brilliant brissy2!
yeah, this one is going to be a big fella!
its virtually same height as rialto to tip of massive antenna!
At 249m or RL253m its same RL as Rialto also-RL253m.:D
A 200m high scraper to flat roof is impressive in any city even NYC!!
just for comparison purposes-
If Riparian was built in NYC, there are currently 6 bldgs uc which are higher to roof (only one higher to antenna). There are currently only 7 scrapers higher to Riparians antenna!! and 42 higher to its 200m roof.
heres Bank of NY at 199m-
http://www.imagenode.com/files/transfer/6/2001/03/130085.jpg
Riparians impressive antenna(100m in total length) starts 50m below roof) is even taller 241m Woolworths bldg!
http://www.urban75.org/photos/newyork/images/ny211.jpg
BrizzyChris December 10th, 2003, 01:42 AM Too bad it doesn't actually look as good as either of these beauties.
hoffburger December 10th, 2003, 04:26 AM great work brisbane2
CaptainJackSparrow December 10th, 2003, 10:34 AM I saw Riparian up close yesterday and it is looking fab, the office section is coming up very nicely, even if it looks an aweful lot like Riverside Centre, the carpark is yucky but guess it had to go somewhere, looking forward to the residentials which should be the best bit, all up, a well designed tower for Brisbane, kinda like a Mercedes, it doesn't look as good as a Ferrari like Q1 but it's still got a great finish and certain distinguished class to it. I hope Austcorp can top it though.
NCC1701D December 10th, 2003, 10:43 AM Here's a pic taken this afternoon of Riparian poking its head out for all the southside to see from Coorparoo. Hope you can make it out alright......
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid92/p4edcf1b7c2f56575834e0f6b97ff55bc/fa566155.jpg
defec8R December 13th, 2003, 04:57 AM Pano taken today (13/12/03) from the Story Bridge
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip6_small.jpg
Quacketh the duck: "they've started floor 28!"
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip5.jpg
CaptainJackSparrow December 13th, 2003, 05:09 AM Whoah, sensational photos defect8r!!! You should be like the official Queensland skyscraper photographer or something.
Riparian is looking good, best is yet to come:) Felix is hiding behind Waterfront Place, even the Macarthur tower sticks out a little. Can't wait to see this view in a few years time with the rest of the crop topped out.
defec8R December 13th, 2003, 06:02 AM Yeah it'll be an impressive view in about three years, what with Aurora (bottom right in the pano), and dare I say it -- Emerald?
Another shot taken today: http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip7.jpg
duke December 13th, 2003, 06:40 AM Excellent shots again. The quality puts mine to shame. Might have to look seriously at upgrading my camera in the new year!
Orodreth December 13th, 2003, 08:34 AM Woah AWESOME pics defec8R! Makes me feel embarrassed by the quality, or dudness of my pics! Well done
NCC1701D December 13th, 2003, 08:40 AM Duke, your shots are great. My shots are f*cked , so that makes mine look very very ordinary doesn't it......
That is a great pic Defec8r - keep up the good work.
Brizbane2 December 14th, 2003, 01:15 AM defec8r- As usual, your pics are absolutely fantastic.
You may have answered this question before, but what camera are you using. Im looking at getting a digital camera myself.
defec8R December 14th, 2003, 09:58 AM Originally posted by Brizbane2
defec8r- As usual, your pics are absolutely fantastic.
You may have answered this question before, but what camera are you using. Im looking at getting a digital camera myself.
Thanks. Mine is a Canon S50 (http://www.canon.com.au/products/cameras/digital_compact_cameras/powershots50.html). They can be had for about $1000.
For even better image quality I'd spend the extra for a Canon EOS-300D. Only disadvantage is, being an SLR camera you can't carry it around in your pocket.
For some good info about cameras go to www.dpreview.com
chrisaus December 14th, 2003, 05:40 PM is that crane right on the river's edge working on the base of riparian?
BrizzyChris December 15th, 2003, 04:37 AM Originally posted by chrisaus
is that crane right on the river's edge working on the base of riparian?
I was wondering that myself. I think it might be working on the boardwalk area.
duke December 15th, 2003, 05:08 AM Originally posted by chrisaus
is that crane right on the river's edge working on the base of riparian?
I think it might be there for the spiral carpark ramp.
Lord Mayor Tim December 15th, 2003, 07:50 AM This is one big arse building! From up close it doesn't look that fat...but from a distance coming into town from the northside it is looking huge!!!! The view from Charlotte St is amazing.
On another note, its going to be weird in BRisbane in a couple fo years. First riparian, then aurora and hopefully emerald and austcorp's towers will all be taller than CP1! Personally this will be weird. CP1 has been the tallest buiding in Brissie since as long as I can remember. And soon it could be 5th tallest. Wow...
RUM December 15th, 2003, 08:25 AM Originally posted by duke
I think it might be there for the spiral carpark ramp.
I think so too.
CaptainJackSparrow December 15th, 2003, 10:44 AM Was there any way to build the carpark below ground or was it too close to the river to allow this?
I ask because the carpark sux, and if they could have avoided it being above ground like that then they should have, of course, who knows.
Lord Mayor Tim December 15th, 2003, 12:31 PM Captian I do believe it was because the bulding is close to the river. I've read that in the paper or something some time ago. And yes it is the sucky part!!!
When is this one going to turn 'white' like the renders. try as I might, I can
't seem to see the white at the moment.
Ausilencer December 15th, 2003, 05:03 PM I also remember seeing something about the carpark being above ground due to the proximity to the river. However, I also recall something about the flood survey coming into it and some concern about future flooding, so it was designed so that any occupiable floor was above any possible flood mark (and that many stories of car park above ground level should certainly make sure of it) - of course that may have just been a rumour - I'd say the number one reason was the river.
oztraelian December 15th, 2003, 06:15 PM I personally think the above ground carpark is a good thing.
Firstly it's unusual, and even though there are precidents such as marina city I'm yet to see a ramp and foyer arranged quite like this.
Most importantly, riparian is the nations's tallest carpark and it gives the building an appreciable height gain of 45 metres!
NCC1701D December 16th, 2003, 12:01 AM Taken today 16 Dec 03
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p4d15dcb164b2c50a057379772f3b2bf7/fa4a5f95.jpg
duke December 16th, 2003, 01:17 AM By my calculation your last photo (posted on 8 Dec but date stamped 17 Nov) had level 25 as the top floor. Its now at level 28. Three floors in just under a month - seems pretty quick given the floorplate sizes.
Fountainhead December 18th, 2003, 01:03 PM hats off to harry....looking great!! i was getting worried about how the carpark might look, but it fits in well
Rusty December 18th, 2003, 01:08 PM Might be a stupid question, BUT... I'll ask anyway.
Riparian was supposed to be completed in a 'record' 100 weeks. From memory, it started in May of 2002 correct?
Do you think, with the speed its been moving lately, that they still may reach their target, and have it structurally complete by May 04?
Ausilencer December 22nd, 2003, 03:43 PM Yeah, does seem pretty quick doesn't it - although I guess that's why they call it a 'record' lol. But who knows, they have been moving pretty fast recently (well at least I think so) and I would think that they would actually get faster when they start on the residential floors.. so I would think it is still a possibility for them to achieve their 100 week target for structural completeness at this stage.
Fabian December 29th, 2003, 09:03 PM The cladding is looking great so far!!! but it's a shame the carpark is going to resemble a typical piece of concrete filth. They should improve it by cladding it like they have done so far with the office levels.
Otherwise, I'm pleased overall with it's progress for 2003.
Brizbane2 December 30th, 2003, 06:58 AM Originally posted by Fabian
The cladding is looking great so far!!! but it's a shame the carpark is going to resemble a typical piece of concrete filth. They should improve it by cladding it like they have done so far with the office levels.
IMO the carpark fenestration is fantastic, especially when you stand at street level.
What do you mean 'typical concrete filth'? You haven't even seen the concrete in person. This is very high class concrete finishing. Some of the best concrete Ive ever seen, sculpted, gleaming and with a beautiful aggregate mix.
Why clad it like the office levels? That reeks of Facadism. The architecture has to say that it is a carpark, not pass itself off as office space. Siedler was right to give the carpark this different system of articulation.
TOCC December 30th, 2003, 12:58 PM ahh hate to break it to you but its actually marble......polished marble from italy or some shit to be more precise... and i agree with fabian that it does resemble concrete...but filth fabian? you of all people have go to be kidding me!!
i had my doubts with this one, but shes looking splendid now!
Rusty December 30th, 2003, 02:19 PM the polished marble is the 2 story tall panel pieces stuck on the carpark.
The rest of the building is made of polished concrete or something if i remember correctly.
Dilaz89 December 30th, 2003, 02:29 PM i doubt if its REAL italian polished marble! Its more than likely polished granite like the office twr facade
Brizbane2 December 30th, 2003, 02:42 PM Perhaps there is marble at ground level - in the proximity of the foyer. But higher up, on the carpark levels - I strongly imagine it to be polished concrete. It would be a total waste of money, using marble where no can really tell if it is marble or not.
From the ground, polished concrete will still look like marble to the naked eye.
Fabian December 30th, 2003, 08:31 PM Originally posted by Brizbane2
IMO the carpark fenestration is fantastic, especially when you stand at street level.
What do you mean 'typical concrete filth'? You haven't even seen the concrete in person. This is very high class concrete finishing. Some of the best concrete Ive ever seen, sculpted, gleaming and with a beautiful aggregate mix.
Why clad it like the office levels? That reeks of Facadism. The architecture has to say that it is a carpark, not pass itself off as office space. Siedler was right to give the carpark this different system of articulation.
When I mean to clad "like the office levels" - It should be white, as simple as that. No where it was said to have the windows etc on those levels. I don't like the grey - it detracts from the good look the building has.
And "typical concrete filth" is when I refer to the concrete multicarparks that dot any city. Harry's carpark facade is good, but because of the concrete cladding, it is being passed off as "typical concrete filth."
Ausilencer January 1st, 2004, 05:03 PM I cannot remember reading anything about marble being used anywhere on Riparian. As B2 said it may be in the vicinity of the Foyer - ie. probably inside, maybe a bit outside. But as for the car park levels, I'm pretty sure it's polished concrete - fairly sure it's not marble. As for 'typical concrete filth' - I too have to disagree - I haven't seen a car park anywhere in the country that looks as good as Riparian's (Although perhaps the building on top of the car park is persuading me slightly) - let's be a bit realistic though - it is after all, just a car park - what did you expect?
Muse January 2nd, 2004, 12:02 AM LOL @ "typical concrete filth". Gee we can sound like a bunch of prudes playing cards in a nice doylie clad sitting room sometimes. Sip that lemonade!
So far the concrete laden car park levels are looking kinda snazzy. Hope it ages well though i.e. the sytle, no staining, deterioration etc..
duke January 2nd, 2004, 03:21 AM According to the Riparian Plaza website (hopelessly out of date at present!) the carpark facade panels are "reconstituted granite".
They are definitely polished - the term "reconstituted granite" may however just be a fancy name for polished concrete!
They are quite different to some of the older carparks with unsealed and unpainted poured concrete finishes.
Muse January 2nd, 2004, 07:13 AM It's more than likely a mixture of granite (obviously), concrete and other bits 'n pieces.
walexx January 2nd, 2004, 03:24 PM They might as well be made out of dirty toilet paper cause they look like shit to me.
Such a pity that a beautiful buiding like that could have that rubbish on the bottom.
I really hope its just the photos and that in real life they actually do look like what reconstituted granite is supposed to look like.
Muse January 2nd, 2004, 11:28 PM Well, it's all subjective, isn't it? I like, he doesn't likes, she likes, we like, they don't like....it can go on.
Most of Seidler & Assoc.'s works are laden with these aggregates.
Seidler's biography titled "Aggregates Through the Ages".
SydneyDude January 12th, 2004, 12:55 PM Made it to good old Brissy for my first time a few days ago! Its got a neat lil' skyline! But not for much longer, with the big three beasts which will beef up the skyline over the next few years, taking it into a whole new league.
Anyway i grabbed some shots of this big beast, and i must say, its lookin great. Its gona look schmick :guns1: and blooody huge.
BTW i was intrigued by Riverside. Standing underneath it and lookin up is a real experience- such a powerful scraper.
the pix: you know the drill- if u want a larger version right click the pic, copy the URL, Paste the URL in a fresh browser window and add .orig.jpg to the end
;)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p61c884908b6e9128328233292654bd7a/f9f96a95.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p8515f431f2d6f51baa0ea350f1c5e61d/f9f96a8c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p067c192e38c2977993796582bce31d4b/f9f96a80.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p3faef0c51ccd0e5e059fb6752e401a90/f9f96a76.jpg
defec8R January 12th, 2004, 07:03 PM Nice angles there. And you saved us QLD slackers some work :D
Blabbyboy January 14th, 2004, 02:12 AM Only a Sydneysider could appreciate this tower! It's farken laughable how bad it's going to look! And to think, in this day and age!
JayT January 14th, 2004, 02:43 AM Quote from Blabbyboy
Only a Sydneysider could appreciate this tower! It's farken laughable how bad it's going to look! And to think, in this day and age!
Only a Sydneysider could feel comfortable enough to offer true and honest praise for an interesting and dynamic piece of architecture that is outside of their city. This is the difference between Sydneysiders and Melburnians – Melbournians are uncomfortable saying nice things about other cities because they have an inferiority complex about their own which is why so many Melburnians end up writing the kind of negative criticism that is displayed above.
Anyone else notice this?
Anyway I love this building, if it looks like Riverside it will be OK. The only bit I am worried about is the gap above the car park. The round section looks a bit ordinary at the moment but this could change.
The southern half of the building looks very glassy and goes well with Waterfront Place and AMP especially when looked at sunset or sunrise.
Thanks for the Pictures SydneyDude.
http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT01.jpg
jt
hoffburger January 14th, 2004, 04:27 AM Originally posted by Blabbyboy
Only a Sydneysider could appreciate this tower! It's farken laughable how bad it's going to look! And to think, in this day and age!
its laughable how u can be such a tool in this day and age
SydneyDude January 14th, 2004, 11:16 AM Originally posted by Blabbyboy
Only a Sydneysider could appreciate this tower! It's farken laughable how bad it's going to look! And to think, in this day and age!
LOL at you!!
aussieinsoho January 14th, 2004, 07:07 PM Well I personally can't believe that anybody would find this building attractive. It's absolutely horrendous but most people on this forum won't say so because we get shot down for opinions......don't we?
Rusty January 15th, 2004, 12:24 AM ^^
absolutely horrendous? thats pretty harsh by any degree. I'm no skyscraper freak like JayT but even I can see that this building is not 'absolutely horrendous'.
Look at all those run down apartment flats in inner London. Now they are 'absolutely horrendous'.
Sheesh, if you don't like it thats fine, but people are gonna shoot you down cause your comments are just so unjustified. Its tall, its got glass, and its by the river; that does not equate to 'absolutely horrendous'
defec8R January 15th, 2004, 03:48 AM If we post enough pictures maybe the knockers will go away and vomit quietly....
From today 15/01/04
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip9.jpg
Comparison with a month ago:
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip7_9.jpg
duke January 15th, 2004, 04:11 AM Great shots as always. Particularly impressed that the sky colour is the same in both!
NCC1701D January 15th, 2004, 05:04 AM defec8R i am proud that you represent queensland/brisbane on this forum. You are a legend and keep up the great work.....
I love the tower, it is what got me interested in scrapers and this forum
hoffburger January 15th, 2004, 05:06 AM Originally posted by aussieinsoho
Well I personally can't believe that anybody would find this building attractive. It's absolutely horrendous but most people on this forum won't say so because we get shot down for opinions......don't we?
its not the opinion that gets shot down, its the way some people say it that gets people pissed
jacobsian January 15th, 2004, 05:26 AM Originally posted by aussieinsoho
Well I personally can't believe that anybody would find this building attractive. It's absolutely horrendous but most people on this forum won't say so because we get shot down for opinions......don't we?
I find the building attractive. No, I really really do.
Top pics defec8R, as usual. Thanks. You too Piccard ;)
NCC1701D January 15th, 2004, 05:42 AM Yob, what are you thanking me for? My f*cked photos that dont compare whatsoever to Defec8r??
If so........... thanx......:D
jacobsian January 15th, 2004, 06:02 AM Originally posted by NCC1701D
Yob, what are you thanking me for? My f*cked photos that dont compare whatsoever to Defec8r??
If so........... thanx......:D
I like your pics because you capture a different angle to the usual river shots, helps me get a feel for the street scape (i've never been to brisbane).
defec8R January 15th, 2004, 08:34 AM I like that angle from River Tce because there's always free parking right there. Just stop, click and go. To get closer, you can take the stairs down the cliff face and walk along the path beside the river.
GMAC January 15th, 2004, 09:57 AM Riparian Rocks, and I honestly think that people who dont like it may change their mind when they see it finished. I also think that no photo could do it true justice, you will notice that anyone who has seen it in person has been impressed and in many cases changed their original opinion.
The advantage this building has over most other buildings being built in Oz right now is that it has a backdrop and your not seeing the top of it pop out from all the smaller buildings around it. This building has presence.
Also, alot of people hate the carpark. I personally think it is fantastic, quite genius really as it is probably the only building in the immediate area with a flood free carpark, those of us living in Brisbane know that flood is a factor in our city and if I was going to spend God knows how much on a sky home I want both of my cars to be parked very safely.
I can see why some people dont like the cladding but from the street it draws your eyes up, go and stand around at the bottom and notice all the non-scraper-freaks who cant help them self look up.
Ausilencer January 17th, 2004, 04:11 PM Ok, there seems to have been some recent far-reaching opinions on Riparian.. so here comes my 2 cents.
Firstly, I would like to say - I wasn't a big fan of Riverside at first, I have since come around and think it is a fantastic building (yes I'm talking about Riverside..). Riverside is now Heratige listed and is officially classified as a 'Landmark'. I would certainly not be surprised if Riparian heads the same way.
aussieinsoho - what hoffburger said - everyone is entitled to their opinion, some people just have trouble conveying it without reverting to derogatory means and name calling.
Great pics everyone except me! (I now currently lack a camera of any sort...) :-)
GMAC - Well put and I agree with what you sat about people changing their mind about the building (hence what I said about Riverside).
Piccard - Riparian is the building that got me interested in scrapers and this forum too!
I didn't at first, but now I am tending to think that Riparian truly is a Landmark scraper for our city. If you don't like it, you don't have to - but if you ever come to see it I would like to think that you would change your opinion - but you don't have to.
(I'm sure there are people here that want me to change my opinion on Emerald - but it's gonna take a bit to bring me around - I still don't like it lol)
Anyway, keep those opinions rolling in - I enjoy all the different views on Riparian! (Other buildings interest me much less).
aussieinsoho January 20th, 2004, 01:47 PM I would love for my opinion of Riparian to be changed...and perhaps it will when I visit Brisbane in October. But......what I see now and with renderings it is very ugly. I don't beleive that u guys honestly think it is beautiful scraper. Riparian will stand out so much on the skyline that you have no choice but to 'embrace' it in all it's ugliness.
defec8R January 20th, 2004, 09:20 PM Originally posted by aussieinsoho
I would love for my opinion of Riparian to be changed...and perhaps it will when I visit Brisbane in October. But......what I see now and with renderings it is very ugly. I don't beleive that u guys honestly think it is beautiful scraper. Riparian will stand out so much on the skyline that you have no choice but to 'embrace' it in all it's ugliness.
like embracing this? (http://www.vulgartee.com/chimp.jpg)
I don't think anybody sees Riparian as beautiful - especially U/C - although we do see it through slightly rose-coloured glasses because Brisbane so badly needs its height.
But from the renderings, there's no way it's as ugly as you say... unless you already hate that style of building like many forumers have decided they do.
I think the segmented design has a different character to most towers that might take some getting used to... hard to explain but somehow it looks more like a "living thing." Wait until the top section (head) is built to see what I mean.
BTW I've noticed some of the pillars between the carpark and office section have been half painted white, which could be a sign that more of the building will be painted... not sure. I wouldn't mind if the whole thing was white.
hoffburger January 21st, 2004, 03:47 AM Originally posted by aussieinsoho
I would love for my opinion of Riparian to be changed...and perhaps it will when I visit Brisbane in October. But......what I see now and with renderings it is very ugly. I don't beleive that u guys honestly think it is beautiful scraper. Riparian will stand out so much on the skyline that you have no choice but to 'embrace' it in all it's ugliness.
if ur gunna say it is ugly, at least tell us the reasons behind your opinion
CULWULLA January 21st, 2004, 04:19 AM hey ive seen many skyscrapers over the years and Riparian is a beauty! For a 200m+ skyscraper is a very innovative design! I think it will suprise many people upon completion!
at 249m to spire- its only 70m shorter than Q1! 60m shorter than Syd Tower!
also give an idea of scale, the amp and comalco to the left are as high as Adelaides tallest-Santos!
http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT01.jpg
NCC1701D January 21st, 2004, 05:09 AM First pic is today: 21-Jan-04
Second pic was 16-Dec-03
Third pic was 17-Nov-03
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p18760c208acbf8c9f29c5c082e09d798/f9e099c8.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p4d15dcb164b2c50a057379772f3b2bf7/fa4a5f95.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p8589d8602d8c89f020485fcf66ee6d55/fa8ac285.jpg
JayT January 21st, 2004, 09:48 AM Nice Pics.
If you cross your eyes and make the top two pictures into one you can see it in 3D - sort of:)
jt
Brizbane2 January 21st, 2004, 11:59 AM I do think that it is a beautiful building. It doesn't have that cold corporate look about it like so many contemporary skyscrapers unfortunately have. The colours, textures, shapes, and scale all are suggestive of a warm, living presence.
I think that many interstaters set their minds against this building as soon as they saw the original image - the one posted by Culwulla above. Thats unfortunate. Riparian has turned out far better than that image suggests.
Its so hard to photopgraph this building, to really capture what its actually like.
Forget the view from over at Kangaroo point. This building dances when you experience it from street level in the city itself.
One of my favourite views is revealed each day as I walk to work down Creek St from Central Station. I don't have a digital camera though. Hint hint...;)
MajikShoe January 21st, 2004, 12:14 PM I know what you mean, I see that view each morning too, it will look great peeking out just behind the two CP's. Some mongrel stole my digi camera but when I get another one I'll get a shot or two :)
A-brain January 21st, 2004, 12:35 PM Well I find Riparian to be so-far so-so, I find the bottom 2/3 very generic 80's H****y design - which Brisbane does seem to have a lot of..
But the top 1/3 might be it's saving grace - with H****y's more recent 90's innovation - the interlocked wavy thing ala Cove in Sydney (I think).
Like most towers - have to wait till it's completed. But so far I'll take the tallest couple of buidings being built in my city over Riparian (but not saying I *wont* like it when I see it).
Is that putting it without any bias or harsh words?
jellyman January 21st, 2004, 10:18 PM and like most people here, I'll take the pride of my home town over the tallest buildings in another city any day.....
swifty78 January 22nd, 2004, 01:57 AM I reallt think it would look nicer if it had a bit of colour instead of being battleship grey though out. At least I could hope they put some good lighting on it so it can look unreal at night.
joelhickey89 January 22nd, 2004, 06:48 AM Just saw riparain and it has surpassed comalcos glass. Almost the fith tallest in brisbane!!!
NCC1701D January 28th, 2004, 05:18 AM Taken today 28 Jan 04.
I've been busted, check out the construction worker between the cladding waving to me.......
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/teeza/Wave_Riparian.jpg
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/teeza/Riparian.jpg
defec8R January 28th, 2004, 09:39 AM Great shots Kirk (or Picard, whichever). About time you got a real camera :cool:
Looks as though they're starting floor 31 of 53. (38 being the top office level)
NCC1701D January 28th, 2004, 12:45 PM Originally posted by defec8R
Great shots Kirk (or Picard, whichever). About time you got a real camera :cool:
Looks as though they're starting floor 31 of 53. (38 being the top office level)
The camera is still the same, I just found a better image host. Imagestation was crap............
oztraelian January 28th, 2004, 04:11 PM Nice pics - esp impressive zoom shot.
I'm currently in the market for a camera - what camera might I ask spawned these fotos?
zion January 28th, 2004, 07:42 PM I guess the reason why some people think the Riparian is ugly is because it looks 1960s-1970s very gray and dull, and using convention grid layout. Hence the build also lack interesting angles like (World Tower or Eureka).
It they used more a matt-metallic surface, it would look up-to-date, or even a glass surface like the Comalcos buildings.
However the top section breaks away from this grid. Though Riparian will be Brisbane tallest building, it will not be its last. As skyscraper fan, I hoping they would build some thing more exciting in the river front.
NCC1701D January 29th, 2004, 12:12 AM Originally posted by oztraelian
Nice pics - esp impressive zoom shot.
I'm currently in the market for a camera - what camera might I ask spawned these fotos?
All I've got is a Kodak CX6330 3.1mega pixel camera. If I remember correctly it cost me around $450. (probably even cheaper now). It aint one of the highest quality cameras but it does the job.....
Rusty January 29th, 2004, 12:37 AM I think this building is going to rock once its finished and covered in glass. Is it just me or does the glass look tinted blue? And why are some of the glass panels yellow in the last pic?
NCC1701D January 29th, 2004, 01:22 AM Originally posted by Rusty
I think this building is going to rock once its finished and covered in glass. Is it just me or does the glass look tinted blue? And why are some of the glass panels yellow in the last pic?
Its not yellow glass - its actually wooden boards. Not sure why they're there??
Once the top bit is done - this building will look totally different and really be impressive..........
duke January 29th, 2004, 01:40 AM Originally posted by Rusty
I think this building is going to rock once its finished and covered in glass. Is it just me or does the glass look tinted blue? And why are some of the glass panels yellow in the last pic?
They are actually temporary plywood panels in place of glass at the points where the crane is attached to the structure of the building.
hoffburger January 29th, 2004, 05:32 AM great pics guys, this beast is lookin lovely
nagelixin January 30th, 2004, 06:29 AM When will the lower floors be occupied in the Riparian?
kaleb777 January 31st, 2004, 01:29 AM This bitch is going to be very skinny from some angles.
What's the haps with the levels immediately above the parking levels? Is that going to be an open balcony or what?
I don't think the glass is blue. It's the sky reflecting isn't it?
Chrisso January 31st, 2004, 05:46 AM Photo's taken 31st January 2004 from Kangaroo Point
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/p6a538dc0c9152dfd88b8bcee6c39d935/f9c43fa8.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/p067e2ca200745ace3597ddb18264c8f5/f9c43fac.jpg
:cheers:
duke January 31st, 2004, 06:43 AM By my reckoning that is level 30 starting on the left hand side.
Fabian January 31st, 2004, 10:52 PM Fantastic images Chrisso and NCC1701D. It's looking impressive from the Brisbane River. I like how reflective the cladding is on this tower, which isn't normally seen on Harry's Towers. Dilaz89 should be happy when he sees this.;)
CHapmaN February 1st, 2004, 12:33 AM looks like the core is taller than comalco from both angles. That means it's well over the half way point! plus will the top residential part be easier to build because it's skinnier? :? if so this could be done quicker than I thought. :D
CULWULLA February 1st, 2004, 01:20 PM I worked out by my plans of Riparian thats its 18 levels above plant room above carpark and core another 3 or so above that, thus level32? anyway its 138m above grd, which slightly higher than the nearby AMP bldgs.
defec8R February 1st, 2004, 02:48 PM I work it out as:
office floors + 12 = total floors
So 31 is partly done in most recent photos. That's going by
this (http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip2.jpg) pic showing an 18 banner and 6 office levels. But I could be seeing it wrong :dizzy:
duke February 1st, 2004, 10:45 PM Looks like I was one out. I had it in my memory that the first office level is 13 - obviously it is 14 (confirmed by checking website). (Level 13 not being an office level is probably a good thing anyway!)
Brissy Phil February 2nd, 2004, 02:59 AM I am sure you guys must already know about this, but here is a link where you can do a very "smart" vr walk-through of Riparian suites.
Enjoy...
www.virtualrealms.com.au
CULWULLA February 2nd, 2004, 04:13 AM Originally posted by duke
Looks like I was one out. I had it in my memory that the first office level is 13 - obviously it is 14 (confirmed by checking website). (Level 13 not being an office level is probably a good thing anyway!)
thanks for that. so level31 is being constructed with 3 above in core, thus level34. Its still 138m as i mentioned, that part im positive with.
as you can see in the diagram it has really progressed last fe months.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126scraperstatusfeb1.jpg
Rusty February 2nd, 2004, 05:31 AM imagine this view when Riparian (and Aurora) are completed.
http://www.suttons.com.au/ferrari/dealers/images_qld/back.jpg
I think Riparian will change the way we look at Brisbane forever. Any Photoshop gurus want to impose them into this pic?
cranerider February 3rd, 2004, 12:28 PM Harry, as is with most architects ,suffers from paraskevidekatriaphobia.But what amazes me is how this fear of things 13 has worked its way into Riparian's design.The carpark levels end on the 12 floor and the office levels begin on the14th .
duke February 3rd, 2004, 01:03 PM According to the Riparian website, the carpark ends on level 11 and the office floors start on level 14.
The word you have used apparently refers specifically to a fear of Friday the 13th. The word triskaidekaphobia refers to a general fear of the number 13, and can encompass fear of Friday the 13th, so architects should probably be referred to more correctly as triskaidekaphobic!
cranerider February 3rd, 2004, 01:53 PM you are right duke . the 12th floor appears to be a double floor ie a higher ceiling level.What is this floor's purpose ? And maybe architects are friggatriskaidekaphobic ??
Muse February 3rd, 2004, 02:18 PM Gee cranerider, you sure have a way with words.
For those interested...
Paraskevidekatriaphobia = The fear of Friday the 13th and...
Frigga refers to various goddesses in mythology.
Triskaidekaphobia we've established is an unfounded fear of the number 13 therefore....
Friggariskaidekaphobia = the goddess of an unfounded fear of the number 13?
aussieinsoho February 3rd, 2004, 04:30 PM Culwulla......is Riparian the same height at Freshwater Place1?
CULWULLA February 3rd, 2004, 10:25 PM Originally posted by aussieinsoho
Culwulla......is Riparian the same height at Freshwater Place1?
Riparian's roof is exactly 200m!
FWP1 is 205m to plantroom and 197m to roof.
So Riparian is 3m higher to roof.Also Riparainas massive antenna reaches 249m.
Aurora Tower will be 207m to blades or 198m to roof.
:D
duke February 3rd, 2004, 11:12 PM Originally posted by cranerider
you are right duke . the 12th floor appears to be a double floor ie a higher ceiling level.What is this floor's purpose ? And maybe architects are friggatriskaidekaphobic ??
According to Riparian's website:
Located on Level 12, directly above the car park section, are the two major chiller sets and one low load chiller that exclusively service the office tower.
There is a much longer article on the website with technical details if you are interested.
Edit: Reading the full article indicates that level 13 does in fact exist and is a service level. Level 40 appears to also be a service level above the residents' recreation area on level 39.
JayT February 6th, 2004, 03:43 AM Riparians now on www.realestate.com.au
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4308/101294308ml1074753793.jpg
“Riparian Plaza; Seidler's vision in the heart of Brisbane
$2.1 - 2.2 million
71 EAGLE STREET BRISBANE
Riparian Plaza offers a unique lifestyle for the privileged few. The 50 exclusive residential apartments commencing on level 41 redefine luxury living. As a resident, you will reside in the heart of the city, at the best waterfront address in Brisbane, living the high life above all else.A dedicated 10m high, river-facing residential lobby with full height glass wall, exfoliated black granite paving and travertine core wall facing, will present an entry experience second to none. A concierge will be provided in addition to 24 hour security. Inside your exclusive Harry Seidler designed apartment, you will enjoy the open plan curvilinear living space and 2.7m nominal ceilings delivered through Seidler's ingenious design. The floor to ceiling glass doors coupled with the cantilevered balconies of frameless glass provide Riparian's residents with wide-screen pre-eminent views.
The interiors will feature fully woven Axminster wool carpets; recessed down lights and wall washed illumination; exclusive Seidler designed V-Line sanitary ware; ducted dual zone air conditioning; high quality gas and electric Miele kitchen appliances. The acoustic rating is in excess of the industry standard and exhaust systems are ducted out of the building through building risers.
Generous car parking allocations consisting of column free single bays, visitor parking ratios higher than 1:3, and high speed residential lifts with waiting intervals in excess of premium grade benchmarks will provide easy access to and from your home. Riparian also features innovative technology provisions including fibre optical communications infrastructure with energy efficiency integrated at every level into the design.
Your lifestyle will also be enhanced by a host of 5 star services consistent with the exclusive standard of the building. This includes are a 1100m2 recreational level on the 39th floor, featuring a half Olympic sized pool 147m above ground.
The very best of Brisbane's dining experiences will be at your doorstep. Entertainment and recreational amenity encircle you. A host of transport options are within easy walking distance, and the convenience of the CBD location means that you may never need to drive to the office again. Riparian Plaza offers a truly unique lifestyle to a select few who choose to call it home.
So choose your lifestyle
Know your neighbours
Live Riparian”
jt
duke February 6th, 2004, 04:04 AM As you have no doubt noticed, the construction gallery on Riparian's website has not been updated since June. I sent an email about this to the webmaster/site designer, Virtual Realms, last year without receiving any reply.
How about we start bombarding them with emails? Address is info@virtualrealms.com.au
brianhay February 6th, 2004, 06:21 AM Originally posted by duke
As you have no doubt noticed, the construction gallery on Riparian's website has not been updated since June. I sent an email about this to the webmaster/site designer, Virtual Realms, last year without receiving any reply.
How about we start bombarding them with emails? Address is info@virtualrealms.com.au
FYI I represent the company you plan on "bombarding with emails". Very inspired strategy ... not.
If there is an issue with the functioning of the website then I'd love to hear about it but we, the web developers, are not responsible for the quantity of content nor the frequency of updates. We do not take the photos that end up in the construction gallery. We simply take the content supplied to us, pretty it up and upload it.
Having said that, however, I can tell you that the property developer is aware of the website updates issue and is busy preparing content.
So please be patient.
I would imagine that the property developer's first priority is erecting the building. The website is probably way down the list. I am just assuming here. I do not know and I do not speak for them.
Regards,
Brian Hay.
Grollo February 6th, 2004, 06:37 AM Most buildings do not even have websites with construction photos and even when they do they tend not to update them regularly (except for Central Equity who always have monthly updates).
At least Riparian Plaza has a good website, look at Mirvac who are one of Australia's largest and best developers but their web site is awful. Yarras Edge, which is a 1.8 billion dollar development with over 2000 apartments, has a piss poor website with virtually no information, let alone recently updated construction pics! :-)
RUM February 6th, 2004, 06:58 AM Duke, now you have just pissed of the IT ..... people.
hahaha, that's funny. :guns1:
duke February 6th, 2004, 09:11 AM @brianhay
Thanks for letting us know the interrelationships between you and the developers.
I was annoyed on two fronts. Firstly because such a well designed, comprehensive and frequently updated website (and one which I had previously used as an example to other developers of how it should be done) suddenly became static. Secondly because when I contacted the webmaster I got no response at all.
Orodreth February 6th, 2004, 01:24 PM Early last year I emailed Bloomberg & the webmaster about the construction photos on the Riparian Plaza site being really poor, and I got a response the next day, and there were construction updates the next week.
Ive just given up now! Shame really, its a well designed website.
Chrisso February 7th, 2004, 03:43 AM Coming along nicely at the moment :guns1:
Some more pics taken today 7/2/04
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/pb4acc8ff30964a5338cae13fc679e0de/f9b24324.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/pe02ae33479a77b519f5917e49fa0e9bb/f9b24316.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/p95251deaca531256b130694d76489ee4/f9b24311.jpg
RUM February 9th, 2004, 08:34 AM Dear Joel Hickey,
If you want to post stuff on Riparian, do so here.
Thankyou.
CULWULLA February 9th, 2004, 10:17 AM Riparian plaza has just surpassed Adelaides tallest (SANTOS HOUSE) by 3m.
brisbanes tallest buildings atm-
CENTRAL PLAZA-174M
WATERFRONT PLACE-162M
111 GEORGE ST- 145m
RIVERSIDE-142M
RIPARIAN PLAZA-138M (FEB,2004)
AMP CENTRE-135M
COMALCO HOUSE-134M
FELIX TOWER-131M UC
others soon to join list-
AURORA-207M
BRISBANE SQUARE-153M
FESTIVAL TOWERS-135M
CASINO TOWERS-129M
JayT February 11th, 2004, 04:56 AM I’ve noticed that in the last month or so the top of Riparian has been lit up with bright lights. Does anyone know why? Are they working on it over night now? http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/3769/101333769dl1076364290.jpg
jt
CULWULLA February 11th, 2004, 06:24 AM some sites leave lights on for safety reasons.
walexx February 11th, 2004, 07:32 AM Omg JayT, was that photo taken from your balcony ??. It looks awesome, you must get a great view from there :).
I think I must just move in while I wait for my apartment at Aurora to be completed hehehehe.
As for the lights on the building, I think they should just cover the whole building with christmast tree lights and leave them on all year read. God that is one shocker of an ugly building.
jellyman February 11th, 2004, 08:14 AM I have noticed that from Albion the top of the crane looks close to the top of CP1. So soon the top of the crane will become Brisbane CBD's tallest point.
MajikShoe February 11th, 2004, 09:17 AM I think when the cranes are extended upwards they are taller than CP1, at least from the angle I was looking today :pepper: :cucumber: :carrot:
Orodreth February 11th, 2004, 09:42 AM Originally posted by walexx
Omg JayT, was that photo taken from your balcony ??. It looks awesome, you must get a great view from there :).
I think I must just move in while I wait for my apartment at Aurora to be completed hehehehe.
As for the lights on the building, I think they should just cover the whole building with christmast tree lights and leave them on all year read. God that is one shocker of an ugly building.
I'm sure Jayt would of got this from Realestate.com.au
You can get alot of pics from that site. They update regularly!
I still would love to have a view like that, would you ever get bored of it?
I always wonder if its like when people move near the beach, and they swim for the next couple of months, and then they never go to the beach coz its boring.
I don't think i would ever get bored with a view like that!
walexx February 11th, 2004, 10:10 AM Yeah I love views. My dream is to have an apartment with views of Sydney HAarbour. Im working on it, but its gonna take a while :).
When I chose my apartment at Aurora, I made sure it looked directtly towards the Storey Bridge, and down Queen Street to take maximum advantage of the views.
The pic from JayT post was awesome. I would love to just sit out on that balcony every night with a few drinks and just chill out to the view of the river.
Anway, the only nice thing about seeing Riparian Plaza will be when its lit up at night. I sooo dont like this building, but am still very interested in its progress.
Hopefully I will be proved wrong and it will indeed be a nice bit of concrete sculpture.
Ausilencer February 11th, 2004, 12:58 PM I had a walk down that end of town for the first time since Riparian was just a hole in ground (sorry.. no digi cam so no photos).
Anyway - WOW! Now I have only just realised how much the previously mentioned 'photos don't do Riparian justice' term is actually true. The facade - even for the Carpark actually looks really good close up! Now I'm even that little bit more interested in the building then I was before (if that's possible).
I also didn't realise how tall River City seems from behind...
Hopefully I'll be getting a digital camera in the next couple of months and will actually be able to take some photos.
JayT February 12th, 2004, 12:34 AM Originally posted by walexx
Omg JayT, was that photo taken from your balcony ??. It looks awesome, you must get a great view from there :).
I think I must just move in while I wait for my apartment at Aurora to be completed hehehehe.
As for the lights on the building, I think they should just cover the whole building with christmast tree lights and leave them on all year read. God that is one shocker of an ugly building.
No its from www.realestate.com.au
jt
NCC1701D February 12th, 2004, 07:38 AM Taken today Thursday 12th Feb 04. Not the best shot - but this f*ckin' light post decided to jump in front of me when I took the snap.....
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/teeza/000_0155.jpg
GMAC February 13th, 2004, 08:00 AM Once again NCC1701D, nice pic.
Can anyone tell me what the finish will be on the corner where the holes are?
Favco750 February 13th, 2004, 09:26 AM is the 750 the lowest crane down by the river. From the photo's the two going up with the tower look like 350's.
Hey Favelle, Liehberr 120, feet out the front window, boots and shirt off, sitting on 8 towers next to a university for hot chicks, Sound familiar???
I'm trying to figure this all out.
joelhickey89 February 14th, 2004, 01:47 AM are youshore riparian is 138m? looking form about 10ks away at the kangaroo point view, riparian looks a tiny bit above comalco and nearly looks level with it. How can it be 138m?
CHapmaN February 14th, 2004, 04:57 AM i'd say it's prolly more like 140m now. because when viewed from the south against the riverside center it only looks just shorter.
JayT February 14th, 2004, 11:34 AM Riparian is looking better and better, unfortunate for those who have commented that its an ugly piece of Seidler crap. Brisbane is getting a very nice tower!!!
I love the way it changes in the light. Has anyone noticed how Metalic and futuristic the facade is beginning to look. Some ways the sun shines on it makes it appear as if the facade is metal and glass. What happened to the Concrete?
Also in some ways the carpark section looks great when those blades are casting shadows.
The other evening I was walking along the 'riverwalk' in New Farm with the sun setting behind it and you would swear that the entire building was covered in glass. It was impossible to distinguish between the polished agrigate and the glass facade.
Can't wait to see the top.
jt
defec8R February 15th, 2004, 03:40 AM From Kangaroo Point 15/02/04
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip901.jpg
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/ripgrowth.jpg
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip902.jpg
^ green port-a-loo soon to be highest throne in the CBD ^
NCC1701D February 15th, 2004, 05:01 AM Originally posted by defec8R
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/ripgrowth.jpg
Defec8R that is great work - thanx for the comparisons.....
defec8R February 15th, 2004, 06:13 AM Originally posted by NCC1701D
Defec8R that is great work - thanx for the comparisons.....
No worries. I'd say another month and this thing will eclipse Riverside Centre and start dominating the skyline.
I think the core only has to rise three more levels to top of office section. Anyone know, does it get smaller after that?
duke February 15th, 2004, 07:23 AM Residential core is much smaller, rectangular rather than square and is parallel to the river.
Office levels have four lifts to the lower floors and six separate lifts to the upper floors. Residential areas have two more separate lifts.
You can see floorplans at www.riparianplaza.com.au. Click on Commercial or Residential then click on Floorplans.
CHapmaN February 15th, 2004, 07:55 AM a quick count (i just counted on the photo) says there about 35 completed floors now. leaving 18 to be built. 3 of which are office, the rest are resi. meaning at the current rate of growth the office section of the tower will prolly be topped out in a month and depending of how quick they chuck up the resi section this tower could be done by august-ish.
all above calculations are rough, don't rely on them ;)
Orodreth February 15th, 2004, 07:58 AM I've been beaten again. Ahwell this time I'm gonna post it anyway.
You can see a what looks like a little corebox to the right of Riparian, is the the carpark ramp?
Kangaroo Point view 15-02-04
http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/02/243801.jpg
duke February 15th, 2004, 08:05 AM By my count, the last completed floor is level 32 (the first office level is 14). So still six more office levels to go. Given that they have added five levels in the last two months (which included the Xmas/New Year break) I think it will take till mid April to finish the office levels.
CHapmaN February 15th, 2004, 08:26 AM yea, you're right, i counted properly this time, it's 32.
BTW i'm not expert enough to know, will the resi section be quicker or slower to build? it's thinner and smaller, but has a more complex shape, so i dont know. if i had to guess i'd say it'd prolly take just as long as the office section, 3 floors a month.
CULWULLA February 15th, 2004, 12:11 PM Originally posted by Orodreth
I've been beaten again. Ahwell this time I'm gonna post it anyway.
You can see a what looks like a little corebox to the right of Riparian, is the the carpark ramp?
Kangaroo Point view 15-02-04
http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/02/243801.jpg
wow, top pic orodreth!
its looks same height as 142m Riverside! this should look amazing over next few months. i love watching a city's NEW TALLEST being built! its a piece of history! changing guard if you will from CP. But it will be short lived as nearby hulk of Aurora is lurking and ready to top it next year sometime.but Riparian will probably always be tallest in brisbane to structural top (a shade under 250m)! which is impressive in any world city!
Chrisso February 15th, 2004, 11:50 PM Great pics defec8R, NCC1701D and Orodreth!!!
From what I can see from Highgate Hill, the top of the core box is only just under the height of AMP and slightly less than riverside centre. One more rise and should be at the same level as AMP.
duke February 16th, 2004, 12:50 AM Riparian's lateness costs it its first business tenant. Today's Financial Review.
The Singaporean developer of Brisbane's next premium office tower, the $250 million Riparian Plaza, has suffered the exit of law firm Blake Dawson Waldron. By Kathy Mac Dermott (Feb 16)
CULWULLA February 16th, 2004, 01:31 AM Originally posted by duke
Riparian's lateness costs it its first business tenant. Today's Financial Review.
The Singaporean developer of Brisbane's next premium office tower, the $250 million Riparian Plaza, has suffered the exit of law firm Blake Dawson Waldron. By Kathy Mac Dermott (Feb 16)
what ever happened to patience??lol
nagelixin February 16th, 2004, 01:32 AM BDW is a pack of snakes... they I'd say will be staying at Riverside for now.
finn February 16th, 2004, 02:42 AM Originally posted by nagelixin
BDW is a pack of snakes... they I'd say will be staying at Riverside for now.
According to the article they won't be able to, bexcause Riverside won't give BDW a hold-over on their lease, which explains why they have had to withdraw from their Riparian tenancy - the building is apparently running far behind schedule, with completion originally slated for the end of 2003!
Article below:
Running late, Riparian loses big fish
Feb 16
Kathy Mac Dermott
The Singaporean developer of Brisbane's next premium office tower, the $250 million Riparian Plaza, has suffered the exit of law firm Blake Dawson Waldron.
The loss of one of the city's biggest precommitments comes as the office, residential and retail development is running significantly behind schedule.
Blake had entered into a heads of agreement to occupy three levels in the riverfront complex on an 8-year term. The precommitment was one of two major deals snared by Riparian's developer, Bloomberg Inc, for the 30,000 square metre commercial component of its mixed-use tower.
The Brisbane managing partner of Blake, Peter Kennedy, confirmed yesterday that the firm had been planning to occupy levels 36, 37 and 38 in Riparian from July 1 this year.
An option had also been secured over half of the 35th floor.
However, timing became a critical issue as the lease over the majority of Blake's 5300 sq m of offices in the nearby Riverside tower is due to expire in December 2004.
The owner of Riverside, the General Property Trust, did not give Blake a hold-over on its space, which added to the pressure.
"What forced our decision was that Riverside had an offer on our space," Mr Kennedy said. Blake then entered into a 10-year lease term on its premises in Riverside.
Mr Kennedy said Blake had originally decided to relocate to Riparian after a year's analysis.
But the uncertainty about its delivery had forced the issue.
Attempts to contact Bloomberg director Scott Collins for comment last week were unsuccessful.
The other major precommitment in Riparian is law firm Clayton Utz, which in November 2001 announced it had pre-leased 5500 sq m.
At that time Bloomberg was committed to a late-2003 construction deadline for Riparian Plaza.
A Clayton Utz spokeswoman said there had been no change from their original precommitment.
duke February 16th, 2004, 11:03 PM The fact that BDW are not moving into Riparian even though their current lease does not expire until December 2004 indicates that Riparian will not be complete until 2005. Given the current rate of construction of around three floors per month I would have imagined that completion by December this year should have been possible. (21 floors at three per month = 7 months to top out = September)
Favco750 February 17th, 2004, 11:42 AM Hey Favelle, did I arse about the cranes?????
I spoke to a mate and he tells me the two cranes going up are 750's and the low set one is the 350. All the photos show the cranes from the ground or a distance and they look smaller. Last time I saw them up close was standing out the front of the pancake parlour looking down charlotte st, and after speaking with a fellow foot slewer today, he tells me I am wrong , wrong and wrong??????????????????:bash:
FAVELLE February 17th, 2004, 01:47 PM Hey Favco there is one mark 1 750 with 42 meters,one mark 2 750 with 48 meters on the tower and 1 350 on the carpark ramp so you are right,right,right,you never said who or where your working for at the moment??? cheers
duke February 18th, 2004, 01:58 AM Originally posted by duke
The fact that BDW are not moving into Riparian even though their current lease does not expire until December 2004 indicates that Riparian will not be complete until 2005. Given the current rate of construction of around three floors per month I would have imagined that completion by December this year should have been possible. (21 floors at three per month = 7 months to top out = September)
Any comments on this? Why will Riparian take so long to complete given the current rate of progress? I know that lower areas of World Tower in Sydney were occupied while construction was still underway at the top. Why couldn't this happen with Riparian - particularly given the clear separation between the commercial and residential portions?
duke February 19th, 2004, 11:11 PM Looks like I get to answer this myself!
Prime Site in the Courier Mail today has an article about Brisbane's premium office leasing market.
Riparian developer Bloomberg's director Scott Collins is reported as saying that the first commercial tenants are to move into Riparian in the second half of this year - ahead of final completion of the whole building which he forecasts will be by the end of the year.
Apparently, although BDW's current lease is not due to expire till December this year they had planned to move in July - which was not possible - and were forced to make a decision to re-sign at their current location out of fear that they may have nowhere to go if Riparian were to be further delayed. Decision was also helped by the fact that one of their competitors was interested in their current space.
duke February 20th, 2004, 04:10 AM The Riparian website has at long last been updated with photos for each month from July 2003 through to February 2004. (Edit: December and February photos not yet posted)
They have also released details of the three restaurant areas which will be available on the riverfront plaza.
Chrisso February 28th, 2004, 01:30 AM Core rise this morning - Riparian is now slightly taller than Riverside Centre, making it the 3rd tallest in Brisbane now, behind Waterfront Place and Central Plaza 1 :guns1:
Pics taken today 28/2/04 :cheers:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pbe8b7eab69be2b16439d91459d62afdf/f93e76ff.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pbf4a82fce8f3d17f3af06b1301545c16/f93e76f9.jpg
Mr MacPhisto February 28th, 2004, 04:28 AM Great Pics.
Thanks for the different angles.
Anybody got a recent pic from within the CBD?
oztraelian February 28th, 2004, 05:05 AM http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid105/pf1398ad13b48d5907f43d118105516a6/f980e795.jpg
Mr MacPhisto February 28th, 2004, 05:24 AM Cheers
Not quite the shot I had in mind but still, it answered the question.
duke February 28th, 2004, 06:40 AM Looks as though level 33 is now complete and level 34 started.
Danubis February 28th, 2004, 10:03 AM is amp building starting to lean in that picture?
Brizbane2 February 28th, 2004, 11:24 AM Originally posted by Danubis
is amp building starting to lean in that picture?
What are you smoking?:)
JayT February 28th, 2004, 11:41 AM From the Northside it looks as though the Riveside Center has a giant TV antennae on it.
jt
airwave86 February 29th, 2004, 04:46 AM from my balcony i'd say that Riparian is just a shade under or is equal in height to the RIverside Centre now ! thats 140m and growing.
Felix looks shorter than i imagined it.
NCC1701D February 29th, 2004, 05:37 AM Originally posted by Mr MacPhisto
Great Pics.
Thanks for the different angles.
Anybody got a recent pic from within the CBD?
I'll get one for you looking down Charlotte St either this Monday or Tuesday.
Mr MacPhisto February 29th, 2004, 11:41 AM Originally posted by NCC1701D
I'll get one for you looking down Charlotte St either this Monday or Tuesday. Great. That's by far the most impressive angle of the tower in the city.
It must be looking ominous from the George St/Charlotte corner now.
NCC1701D March 1st, 2004, 12:16 AM Taken today Monday 01 March 2004.
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/teeza/000_0174.jpg
hoffburger March 1st, 2004, 12:57 AM bloody hell, it certainly has some presense about it now
JayT March 1st, 2004, 10:11 AM I noticed today the carpark spiral is also taking shape, it looks like a mini tower is being built and is quite high now.
jt
duke March 2nd, 2004, 02:03 AM Viewed from Paddington yesterday afternoon the cranes are now noticeably taller than CP1 in their upright position.
Mr MacPhisto March 2nd, 2004, 12:01 PM Kudos to NCC1701D. Great pic. It sure has risen since the last time I looked down Charlotte St in early November.
As an aside, you used to get a pretty neat view of the Charlotte St skyscraper canyon from the Storey Bridge.
I guess Riparian has blocked most of that off now.
defec8R March 2nd, 2004, 04:06 PM A little bit left to go....:happy:
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/000_0174.jpg
duke March 2nd, 2004, 10:21 PM Great work defec8r - master of the camera and Photoshop (?).
Muse March 2nd, 2004, 10:38 PM Yeah, I was thinking the same thing re: photoshop? How 'im do dat? Especially getting the twist and angle so right.
Now that's a 'true' skyscraper!
Chrisso March 2nd, 2004, 11:39 PM Fantastic work defec8r!!!
Judging from that, there's only 1-2 core rises before they start on the apartment section of the building.
NCC1701D March 3rd, 2004, 12:26 AM I love it - Great work Defec8r........
zztopless March 3rd, 2004, 04:33 AM Wow, its really getting close isn't it. Will there be a slow down when they have to start on the apartment section?
RUM March 3rd, 2004, 04:36 AM Great Work.
Does this mean that the lift core is just before the residential section of the development. Presumably, the lift core will reduce in size now. The building will sit still for a while presumably.
nagelixin March 3rd, 2004, 06:30 AM That is an excellent image!:)
Well done.
defec8R March 3rd, 2004, 08:20 AM Originally posted by Muse
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing re: photoshop? How 'im do dat? Especially getting the twist and angle so right. I used Corel Photo-Paint (a full-featured demo copy ;)). Took a screenshot from Riparian's website and pasted the building onto a big version of NCC's photo (enlarged to 300% and with extra white space at the top). Had to twist, turn, stretch and shave a bit, and resize to fit. Adjust transparency, reduce image size down to 25% and voila!
NCC1701D March 3rd, 2004, 10:23 AM I can't wait to see the image below turn into real life. Riparian is going to look awesome from that view when completed. Even better, I'd say it would look twice as good from the river view.
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/000_0174.jpg
Mr MacPhisto March 3rd, 2004, 12:49 PM Great work defec8R. I think the residential section really makes the tower. From the CBD it will be awesome looking up and seeing the waveform of the back of the tower and even dare I say it, the shape of the balconies.
This is a unique building for Brisbane.
It will turn heads :)
TOCC March 3rd, 2004, 02:39 PM Q1 in Brisbane???
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid105/pdb55960ed4afbee76c4850311beda734/f9741edd.jpg
nahhhh
Now i could dig Eureka being in Brisbane!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid105/p3c7a0366eeed4e08a570ba5c7b6340ae/f9741edf.jpg
phh im bored and i cant sleep so dont knock me ;)
defec8R March 3rd, 2004, 07:10 PM ^nightmares are spawned by this stuff - check the scale of that palm tree :crazy:
kaleb777 March 10th, 2004, 10:09 PM That pic from Defec8R is amazing. I always knew Riparian would look slim from certain angles. Sadly I don't think it looks very good from the river.
duke March 12th, 2004, 07:28 AM Photo taken from the corner of Edward and Charlotte Streets today. Level 35 is the just completed level from this side.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay2/12mar04riparian1.JPG
duke March 13th, 2004, 12:57 AM The Courier Mail today reports that a young couple were fined $400 for parachuting off a crane in Eagle Street earlier this week. Report said crane was 136 metres. They were spotted on security video and charged partly on the basis of the video they took from a camera strapped to the guy's helmet!
Must have been Riparian.
defec8R March 14th, 2004, 07:10 AM Progress report:-
A bit slack in the past month. Only two-and-a-half floors completed :mad2:
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/ripgrowth.jpg
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip903.jpg
RUM March 14th, 2004, 07:43 AM great work. once again.
not only did they complete two and a half floors, but they also took down the banner on the carpark!
That last photo, if Wterfront Place wasn't in the photo, it would be as if you took the photo in black and white only. very very grey.
Rusty March 14th, 2004, 08:49 AM look at the density in that last pic!
Orfeo March 14th, 2004, 09:07 AM I'm starting to see a pattern here.....it is mostly overcast durring the middle of the month.
Orodreth March 14th, 2004, 09:16 AM Hey great shots!
Everytime I plan to go take pics, its overcast! I had overcast, rather it rain, or be sunny.
Orodreth March 19th, 2004, 11:42 PM Taken 20 March 2004
http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/03/253536.jpg
Muse March 19th, 2004, 11:53 PM I love this forum! I've hardly opened my eyes on a Saturday morn here in inner-city Sydney and already pics beaming in from Brissy of Riparian taken within the last couple of hours. :)
Hrmm, Rivercat or The Point zoom?
Orodreth March 20th, 2004, 01:37 AM Originally posted by Muse
Hrmm, Rivercat or The Point zoom?
It was taken right on the edge of Brisbane River, at Kangaroo Point. (Amongst the mud and mangroves!) No zooming was done! :)
staminous March 20th, 2004, 02:17 AM Great stuff Defec8r !!!
Know that when you go down to the river to take a pic of our ripes, ..a hundred of us guys sure do appreciate your effort!
I will often watch the Today Show weather at 7:30am, hoping to get a skycam glimpse of that endowed section of town. ( Sometimes shows it beautifully, sometimes doesn't - but always worth the wait), ...then i shoot off to work.
Defec8r, well done. Keep up your great work. Thank you for sharing the growth of this throbber to us all.
another aussie beefcake. (though, imo, pitty it's not entirely glass clad, and could somebody please force Seidler to retire.)
defec8R March 20th, 2004, 05:29 PM ^^ no worries ... but don't forget Orodreth and the other stars :)
CULWULLA March 21st, 2004, 02:10 AM the lastest pic by oredreth shows the floor plates at 22 floors office floors, and the core is another 3 floors which is height of office section? so 144m tall (looking at my elevation).
probably the core reconfig to resi shape,
duke March 21st, 2004, 02:51 AM Originally posted by duke
Residential core is much smaller, rectangular rather than square and is parallel to the river.
Office levels have four lifts to the lower floors and six separate lifts to the upper floors. Residential areas have two more separate lifts.
You can see floorplans at www.riparianplaza.com.au Click on Commercial or Residential then click on Floorplans.
From an earlier post. Should be very apparent when core reconfig happens.
NCC1701D March 24th, 2004, 05:33 AM Taken 24 March 04
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/teeza/100_0318.jpg
Chrisso March 24th, 2004, 05:58 AM Great picture NCC1701D!!! The core is clearly visable from all parts of the city.
Looks like they'll start reconfiguring the core soon to start on the apartment levels.
aussieinsoho March 24th, 2004, 12:50 PM is the cladding going topainted or something...I have to say that if not it is quite dissapointing...if it is going to stay that grey colour it will look unfinnished...
cranerider March 25th, 2004, 01:22 PM I've been out to watch first hand Riparian going up and up . This is now starting to make a huge statement on our skyline . I've also noticed progress with the promenade is going very slowly.There is something I'm a little confused with. There is a lot of rusted steel i.e reo bar hanging out of concrete to be keyed into other sections of concrete .Why is it then that when the promenade looks to be structurally 3/4 s complete the hot dip gal reo steel arrives on site ? Even though the work around the waterline is substantially done
defec8R March 27th, 2004, 05:31 AM 27/03/04 from north of the city
http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip801.jpg
I'm pretty certain the 36th floor is done and core is up to 40. So the core should be smaller now, though it's hard to tell exactly what's going on from the pic.
duke March 27th, 2004, 06:09 AM Looking down Charlotte Street today it was apparent that the core configuration has changed so the core has obviously reached at least the first residential level.
The residential core is more rectangular and runs parallel to the river so it will only look smaller from some angles. Should look about the same viewed from the river/Kangaroo Point.
NCC1701D April 3rd, 2004, 06:22 AM Taken today Sat 3th April 04.... thanx chez for pic
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/teeza/rip.jpg
duke April 3rd, 2004, 07:28 AM Level 37 appears to be complete so just one more office level to go!
Orodreth April 3rd, 2004, 07:41 AM [QUOTE=NCC1701D]Taken today Sat 7th April 04.... thanx chez for pic[QUOTE]
Hey great pic dude, but your a little ahead of urself, its only the 3rd April. The 7th is Wednesday. :)
Danubis April 3rd, 2004, 07:26 PM will the spire have a neon light running the length of it? like the top of CP1?
NCC1701D April 4th, 2004, 12:39 AM At Orodreth: LOL thanx, I don't know what I was thinking..... I've edited it..
CHapmaN April 4th, 2004, 01:24 AM ok, i'll work out a worst case scenario so as not to get hopes up.
at their current rate of 2 and half levels a month they'll start the resi section in a couple of weeks when they finish level 38. lets say it takes a couple of weeks to build that luxury floor with the swinmming pool and set up the bottom of the resi part then they move at 2 weeks a floor we're looking at a finish in the middle of september.
hopefully, they speed up and the resi section is quicker to build
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