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Naga Airport (Filipino: Paliparan ng Naga, Bikol: Palayogan nin Naga) (IATA: WNP, ICAO: RPUN) is an airport serving the general area of Naga City, located in the province of Camarines Sur in the Philippines. It is also shared with the neighboring municipality of Pili, where the airport is located. The airport is classified as a secondary airport, or a minor commercial airport by the Air Transportation Office, a body of the Department of Transportation and Communications that is responsible for the operations of not only this airport but also of all other airports in the Philippines except the major international airports.

Airlines

The following airlines serve Naga Airport:

* Air Philippines (Manila) [ends 31 August]
* Cebu Pacific (Manila)
* PAL Express (Manila) [begins 1 September]
* South East Asian Airlines (Daet, Malay) [seasonal]

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Kimber is that you? :colgate:

(No offense meant to anyone) :jk: :nocrook:

I heard rumors that farmers near the airport may sell land for its expansion esp, the runway.... Since it was too short to accommodate larger aircrafts, so the airport may upgrade....

question: kung ang MNL - manila, CRK - Clark, ano ibig sabiihn ng WNP? hehe:):)

Kimber is that you? :colgate:

(No offense meant to anyone) :jk: :nocrook:

:lol: Nope. Must be....

A fan
A stalker
A clone
All of the above

:colgate:

question: kung ang MNL - manila, CRK - Clark, ano ibig sabiihn ng WNP? hehe:):)

I don't know what the W means, but N is for Naga and P is for Pili. Both cities share the airport, in fact the airport itself is located in Pili.

I don't know what the W means, but N is for Naga and P is for Pili. Both cities share the airport, in fact the airport itself is located in Pili.

^^Kaya pala WNP ang airport code ng Naga Airport coz the airport codes NAG and/or NGA might already used by other cities in the world.^^

Sa Bicol talaga, kanya, kanya. Why don't they just make a big airport between Naga and Legaspi, instead of two.

Kaya pala WNP ang airport code ng Naga Airport coz the airport codes NAG and/or NGA might already used by other cities in the world.

NAG - Sonegaon Airport, Central India.
NGA - Young Airport, Southeastern Australia.

well the naga airport really needs to upgrade....would you believe that when i visited naga last may, the pilot actually announced that the runway is short so passengers are advised that the landing may be aborted....i don't know why they announce these things as if the passenger will be able to do something about it....well maybe they want the passengers to pray....:lol:

btw naga is a cool place.... the place is clean..... the a.venue hotel is i think the best in the bicol region....

well the naga airport really needs to upgrade....would you believe that when i visited naga last may, the pilot actually announced that the runway is short so passengers are advised that the landing may be aborted....i don't know why they announce these things as if the passenger will be able to do something about it....well maybe they want the passengers to pray....:lol:

btw naga is a cool place.... the place is clean..... the a.venue hotel is i think the best in the bicol region....

It should be upgraded into an international airport or they should build a new one in Libmanan.

^^ If WNP will become an international airport, what would that mean for the new LGP in Daraga? Both will obviously compete, unless Bikol will be divided into two areas served by two international airports, like this:

-WNP: Camarines Norte and Camarines Sur
-LGP: Albay, Catanduanes and Sorsogon

I'll leave Masbate ungrouped for now. :D

It will be better if Masbate and Catanduanes will build their own international airport. Then everybody will be happy.

^^ I doubt there will be enough demand to warrant such a massive expansion of airports in Masbate City or Virac, let alone build new ones.

Guess they haven't heard of the "hub and spoke" system in the Philippines. They should have just one hub per region and have all traffic be routed through it and onward to the spokes within the region instead of having all these provinces all competing for direct flights which for some aren't even warranted.

^^ We have hub-and-spoke; it just happens that people are sick of the domination of MNL and CEB, and to a lesser extent DVO and ZAM, on all the traffic. If ever, this means that LAO, BAG, TUG, ILO, TAC, GES and CGY should be hubs.

Nice to know, we have this thread here! :cheers:

Advantage..!! talaga na isang Presidential Son ang ating Rep. Dato Arroyo ..!!

Well ..!! You'll see how naman dba..isang hirit lang nyan kay mommy nya..!!

sana lang kahit wula na si ate GLO ..!! or even wala na sa Palace ang mom nya mapaunlad nya ang nasasakupan nyan distrito sa Bicol ..!!

Si Dato ba ang man behind this project .. ..!!? sabi lang nila eh?

Walang pictures?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/466473731_3e84b9fd4f_o_d.jpg

Naga Airport terminal building by kurz andreas PH (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kurzandreas/466473731/)

I really hope they do something about the runway. The moment Air Philippines loses their Boeing 737's which all are about 20 years old, and replaces them with newer jets, they won't be able to service WNP because of the short runway. This is the reason why Cebu Pacific uses their ATR's (the turbo-propeller airplanes), because they can land in short runways. Not their new jets: Airbus A320's or A319's, which require runways longer than what WNP has.

The following pictures were taken at the Departure Area:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/3077899480_68c93583fa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/3077066849_65e299d1e1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/3077066385_a3bf752a8f.jpg

The following pictures show the facade of the airport:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/3077121239_86915baff7.jpg

Finally! Some interior photos! Wished there were photos of the ticketing and check-in counters as well.

The following pictures show the facade of the airport:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg

Newly built? Decent looking.....

^^ I agree. I don't mean to demean my city's airport but the above-posted photos are much better than the one below.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/466473731_3e84b9fd4f_o_d.jpg

Naga Airport terminal building by kurz andreas PH (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kurzandreas/466473731/)

I really hope they do something about the runway. The moment Air Philippines loses their Boeing 737's which all are about 20 years old, and replaces them with newer jets, they won't be able to service WNP because of the short runway. This is the reason why Cebu Pacific uses their ATR's (the turbo-propeller airplanes), because they can land in short runways. Not their new jets: Airbus A320's or A319's, which require runways longer than what WNP has.

I agree. The runways are not long enough to accommodate planes of bigger bodies. Look at PAL. Ever since they upgraded their fleet to the giant planes, they left Naga and was replaced by their sister company Air Phil. Though everyone knows that the planes being used by Air Phil were the "pinaglumaan" of PAL, it's still nice to hear that PAL, one of the country's best though not the world's, is plying your city's airport. But still sad to hear that Air Phil, as I've seen on this thread, left the airport last Aug31 and was replaced by PAL Express. Too bad. I hope that whoever is governing the airport, be it the city government of Naga or the municipal government of Pili, add the upgrading of the WNP Airport to a first-class domestic airport in the country.

Sa Bicol talaga, kanya, kanya. Why don't they just make a big airport between Naga and Legaspi, instead of two.

Naga and Legazpi are 3-4 hours apart... it's better for them to have their own airports. But I don't mean "own international airports".

The following pictures were taken at the Departure Area:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/3077899480_68c93583fa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/3077066849_65e299d1e1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/3077066385_a3bf752a8f.jpg

I'm assuming that the seats are provided by the airlines for their respective passengers. :colgate:

^^
I think the problem with NAGA was the passengers volume and not the airport itself. In fairness, Naga airport is capable of handling a 319 jet but not the 320. Ever since Cebu Pacific pulled the passenger plug away from PAL, it suffered poor loads to the extent that the ATR carry more than the jet can accommodate. It cannot even fill half of its capacity. The plane smaller than the 319 but bigger than the Q400 happens to be the 737-200. It can fill up to 110 passengers or 40 more than the Q4 and 20 less than the 319.

So basically, what they did is flying the right plane for the right capacity. Pure business senses actually.

The following pictures show the facade of the airport:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg

I didn't know that Naga Airport has been renovated. It looks more decent than the old one, of course.

....If they build another airport in Libmanan which said to be a world Class International Airport..what will happen to Naga Airport ..!?

I am not sure whether this will push through, considering that an International Airport is going to be built in Legazpi. I am for the upgrading of Naga Airport. If it's not to become an international airport then so be it.

very true ..!? malabo talaga ung 2 international sa Bicol ...they're very close same destination din naman which is Bicol ...!?

just upgrade thiz airport's short runway ..!? look un Loakan Airport sa Baguio City di nila pinasara kahit na may ga2wing airport somewhere in La Union ..!?

just build a decent rail line from legazpi to camarines sur and building another international airport will be deemed unnecessary.

just upgrade thiz airport's short runway ..!? look un Loakan Airport sa Baguio City di nila pinasara kahit na may ga2wing airport somewhere in La Union ..!?

That airport has been closed not because of another airport in La Union, but because its runway is too short and because it's too foggy, hence, it's very dangerous plus the short runway which makes it more dangerous.

Camarines Sur is in the top ten biggest economy in the country and its major airport is in Legaspi. :nuts:

^^ It's understandable since Legazpi and Albay have been the top tourist destination in Bicol since time immemorial and Naga and CSur toppled the former just recently. Aside from those, the proposed international airport in Daraga has been in the pipework for more than a decade already.

^^ It's understandable since Legazpi and Albay have been the top tourist destination in Bicol since time immemorial and Naga and CSur toppled the former just recently. Aside from those, the proposed international airport in Daraga has been in the pipework for more than a decade already.

Ah talaga? Well in that case sana sa Naga City na ang main Airport sa Bicol. Upgrade Pili Airport na.lol Im tired of riding on ATR's. Sana Airbus na din. The B737's of Air Philippines are already old.

^^It would be better if the airport would be placed in between of the two cities.

I concur with you, Garzland and Johnjames. Like Laguindingan Airport, the Bicol airport should be in the middle of two high performing cities, i.e. Naga and Legaspi. Otherwise the thinking will be to each his own. Camarines Sur will build one in Libmanan, upgrade Pili and Albay will build one in Daraga. This is insane. :bash: :bash:

If the distance from Naga City to Bicol International Airport is somewhat similar to distance from Manila to DMIA, better they should build an expressway from Naga to Daraga with spur routes to the airport and Legazpi city, and a direct rail link to the airport, kagaya sa NLEx at NorthRail

By the way, Cebu Pacific has two flights/day na pala... not everyday tho

By the way, Cebu Pacific has two flights/day na pala... not everyday tho

^^Hmmm...didn't notice that when I booked flights for next month last week. Btw, I was very impressed with their website...very up-to-date. I was even able to pick out seats for the whole family. We'll see what happens when I check in with my e-ticket.:lol: Tried to "simulate" booking with Air Philippines just for ha-has...very Stone-Age in comparison.:)

mahaba na ba ang runway ng naga....the last time i travelled there the captain announced.... when we were about to land.....that due to the short length of the runway we may not be able to land on the first try....that made me pray to all the saints :lol: i just cannot understand why the captain have to announce that..:bash:....we did not know that detail so it did not bother us until the announcement.....he was soliciting prayers for a safe landing...i guess...:lol:

Nakakalbo nga pagka ganiyan ang situation. :lol: :lol:

^^Hmmm...didn't notice that when I booked flights for next month last week. Btw, I was very impressed with their website...very up-to-date. I was even able to pick out seats for the whole family. We'll see what happens when I check in with my e-ticket.:lol: Tried to "simulate" booking with Air Philippines just for ha-has...very Stone-Age in comparison.:)


Meron na. The first flight from Manila to Naga is at 6:20 am

The next one is at 12:50 Noon.

Btw, good thing you didnt have problems using your credit card. apparently many do.

^^Btw, how much is the ticket to Manila from Naga?

This is where the airport fire trucks are parked. (I think)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3411/3318725716_5763d01478.jpg

This is the airport building view from the tarmac. (The airport building is a 2-storey structure but the first floor is only seen from the facade--The tarmac is actually elevated, at level with the second floor)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3318724386_5b76b5c6fa.jpg

"Welcome to Naga Airport"
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3303/3318722940_038b731e87.jpg

^^Btw, how much is the ticket to Manila from Naga?

It depends on how early you book and on the demand. If you book early and the demand is low, it will be around 900-1100. If the demand is very high, e.g. Penafrancia season, it will go as high as 3000. On the average though, it's around 1,300. (That's for Cebu Pacific)

For Air Philippines, the lowest i paid for a plane ticket is 1,188. But the most expensive i ever paid is around 3,500. Average is around 1,500 i think.

The following pictures show the facade of the airport:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3077066129_bca22353b5.jpg

is this a new building?

It depends on how early you book and on the demand. If you book early and the demand is low, it will be around 900-1100. If the demand is very high, e.g. Penafrancia season, it will go as high as 3000. On the average though, it's around 1,300. (That's for Cebu Pacific)

For Air Philippines, the lowest i paid for a plane ticket is 1,188. But the most expensive i ever paid is around 3,500. Average is around 1,500 i think.


Cebu Pacific wanted 4500 for a last-minute booking last Mar 9. They seem to have a different price for MNL to WNP and WNP to MNL. Just a warning for balikbayans....international flights allow each passenger 2 suitcases weighing 50lbs each. Cebu Pacific charged me for excess baggage. Air Philippines never did....all I had to show was my ticket to JFK and passport as proof (not sure if it is still the case). Btw, WNP seriously needs to expand, especially if wakeboarding (and mail-order brides :lol:)continue to be popular.

I concur with you, Garzland and Johnjames. Like Laguindingan Airport, the Bicol airport should be in the middle of two high performing cities, i.e. Naga and Legaspi. Otherwise the thinking will be to each his own. Camarines Sur will build one in Libmanan, upgrade Pili and Albay will build one in Daraga. This is insane. :bash: :bash:

i strongly agree...Its just like wasting money in a project that they know can just be rolled into one..

http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p090320.htm&no=78

PIA Press Release
2009/03/20

http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p090320.htm&no=78

Tourism arrivals in Bicol reach 1.3-M in 2008; up by 45.5% from 2007
by EA de Leon

Legazpi City (20 March) -- Tourist arrivals in Bicol continue to grow over the years as it registered a growth rate of 45.59 per cent over the 2007 figures according to the Department of Tourism (DOT) regional office here.

Maria Ong Ravanilla, DOT Bicol regional director, said that a total of 1,306,792 tourists visited Bicol last year which is 409,292 over the 2007 figures.

She said that of the total number, 1,057,735 were domestic tourists while 249,237 were foreign nationals.

She added that total gross receipts generated by the tourism industry jumped to P781,995,280 million from P443,558,400 million in 2007 or an increment of 56.72 per cent. While the total job generated reached 499,336 or 181,462 over the other year.

Ravanilla said that the highest number of tourist arrivals last year was registered by the province of Camarines Sur with a total of 721,024 comprising of 523,580 domestic and 197,444 foreign or 55.167 per cent of the total tourist arrivals in Bicol. :banana::banana:

Foreign tourist arrivals to Camarines Sur also top the six provinces of Bicol hitting 79.21 per cent or a total of 249,237 foreign nationals that visited the region. She said this was because the province invested heavily on tourism facilities like the now world famous Camarines Sur Water Sports Complex (CSWC) inside the provincial capitol compound; the world class Gota Beach Resort in Caramoan town; and now the newly opened Lago del Rey, an 18-hectare man-made lake just beside the CSWC which is expected to attract more tourists to the province this year.

She disclosed that Albay was second in terms of tourist arrivals with 173,959; Masbate, third with 166,784; Camarines Norte, fourth with 105,051; Sorsogon is fifth with 83,541; and Catanduanes, sixth with 56,613. (PIA) [top]

http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p090320.htm&no=78

PIA Press Release
2009/03/20

http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p090320.htm&no=78

Tourism arrivals in Bicol reach 1.3-M in 2008; up by 45.5% from 2007
by EA de Leon

Legazpi City (20 March) -- Tourist arrivals in Bicol continue to grow over the years as it registered a growth rate of 45.59 per cent over the 2007 figures according to the Department of Tourism (DOT) regional office here.

Maria Ong Ravanilla, DOT Bicol regional director, said that a total of 1,306,792 tourists visited Bicol last year which is 409,292 over the 2007 figures.

She said that of the total number, 1,057,735 were domestic tourists while 249,237 were foreign nationals.

She added that total gross receipts generated by the tourism industry jumped to P781,995,280 million from P443,558,400 million in 2007 or an increment of 56.72 per cent. While the total job generated reached 499,336 or 181,462 over the other year.

Ravanilla said that the highest number of tourist arrivals last year was registered by the province of Camarines Sur with a total of 721,024 comprising of 523,580 domestic and 197,444 foreign or 55.167 per cent of the total tourist arrivals in Bicol. :banana::banana:

Foreign tourist arrivals to Camarines Sur also top the six provinces of Bicol hitting 79.21 per cent or a total of 249,237 foreign nationals that visited the region. She said this was because the province invested heavily on tourism facilities like the now world famous Camarines Sur Water Sports Complex (CSWC) inside the provincial capitol compound; the world class Gota Beach Resort in Caramoan town; and now the newly opened Lago del Rey, an 18-hectare man-made lake just beside the CSWC which is expected to attract more tourists to the province this year.

She disclosed that Albay was second in terms of tourist arrivals with 173,959; Masbate, third with 166,784; Camarines Norte, fourth with 105,051; Sorsogon is fifth with 83,541; and Catanduanes, sixth with 56,613. (PIA) [top]

yup we have to agree....dahil yan sa camsur....water sports dyan....na dinadayo....kahit ako when i was there nanibago ako sa progress nila....btw kainis lang yung bago nilang terminal walang aircon....ang init...at ang runway...maiksi...sasabihin ng piloto pa yun na baka mag miss at umikot ulit as if meron kang magagawa....yun ata ang purpose pakabahin ka para manalangin ka....ng safe landing....:lol:

^^ Ilang meters lang ba ang runway jan sa Naga? umabot ba ng 1 kilometer?

Is there a way to extend it? Or is it complicated?

The problem with WNP in my opinion is that the terminal building is just not big enough anymore to accommodate passengers for two airlines that schedule their flights mere minutes apart from each other. It wasn't this bad when there was only Air Philippines. Cebu Pacific's waiting area doesn't have enough seats for waiting passengers. Their check-in counter is a joke! It's a small area with one long line that interferes with the baggage x-ray machine and the line for Air Philippines. There are wakeboarders checking-in with their wakeboards hitting everyone who is unlucky enough to be in the way.....just chaotic! Caticlan airport is relatively small for the number of passengers and airlines it serves, but it seems that the airlines that use it do a much better job scheduling their flights. It looks like Caticlan extended their runway because landing there this time was not as scary as 6 years ago. There appears to be plenty of real estate around WNP if they like to extend the runway. Btw, check out the Puerto Princesa airport thread...what a great job they did with their new terminal.

Guys, news: May Zest Air na sa Naga, alternating days, meaning hindi daily. afternoon flights lang rin. No scheduled flight in the morning.

Is there a way to extend it? Or is it complicated?

IT's complicated. For starters, apparently there is a need to reorient the runway to make it less dangerous (Naga and Legaspi airports are two of the most dangerous airports in the Philippines, apparently).

mahaba na ba ang runway ng naga....the last time i travelled there the captain announced.... when we were about to land.....that due to the short length of the runway we may not be able to land on the first try....that made me pray to all the saints :lol: i just cannot understand why the captain have to announce that..:bash:....we did not know that detail so it did not bother us until the announcement.....he was soliciting prayers for a safe landing...i guess...:lol:

nakakatakot pala talaga sa Naga Airport pagka ganyan. :lol:
anyway, what airline is this?
air phils is the only airline flying to Naga using bigger aircrafts. 5J is using the smaller ones.

nakakatakot pala talaga sa Naga Airport pagka ganyan. :lol:
anyway, what airline is this?
air phils is the only airline flying to Naga using bigger aircrafts. 5J is using the smaller ones.

nde ko na sya matandaan kung pal or air phil....palagay ko pal...dahil jet ang sinakyan namin hindi di propeller...

Here are some photos of Naga Airport:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3521528742_4c1a635138_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3648/3521541150_f7a96604b7.jpg
The Terminal Building and Control Tower


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3521528102_5a704f77e9_o.jpg
The Control Tower


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3521550432_ee8089916a.jpg
The parking lot and advertisements on billboards.

Zest Air now has Manila-Naga, v-v afternoon flights.

^^Thanks for those pics, jef xavier! Wish it would be upgraded asap. with the influx of tourists, the city is really needing a bigger one.

IT's complicated. For starters, apparently there is a need to reorient the runway to make it less dangerous (Naga and Legaspi airports are two of the most dangerous airports in the Philippines, apparently).

Kindly elaborate why? Naga and Legazpi is two of the most dangerous? Why then has there not been a single mishap in this two airports specially legazpi. Although there was a close call a few months back... but it was not due to the airports design but the stupidity of the ATO chiefs son who was showing off to his girlfriend by driving across the runway to prove that he can use the premises as a shortcut not knowing that an airplane is already on its touchdown phase. The ATO chief was sacked the next day by the way.

Naga airport faces closure
Within 5 years, experts says


By Sandy Vargas

PILI, Camarines Sur — Despite the innovations attained by the City of Naga in public governance which are recognized worldwide, the city and Camarines Sur stand to lose its “unfriendly” airport in 5 years, an airport authority, who requested anonymity, said.

It is noted that the airport which is nestled on the foot of Mt. Isarog here that services the locally-profitable PAL 737 airplane of 140 passengers has a runway stretch of only 1,402 square meters, short of 428 of the standard 1,830 square meters.

The present landing space restricts the normal load of a PAL 737 causing added cargo to be diverted to Legazpi airport. The Naga passenger, in turn, has to wait for the delivery of his extra cargo from Legazpi City which is 99 kms away via the Maharlika highway.

Manila to Naga flights, the airport authority pointed out, require ace pilots who can apply a dexterous brake maneuver to spare the aircraft from plunging into the 40-meter deep quarrying site on the left of the airfield, or on the right towards the national highway, if not on the rice fields up front. Passengers notice the sudden jolt whenever PAL touches down the Naga airport.

“It needs real guts. The airport manager should be praying everytime a plane arrives”, he said.

He disclosed that in about 5 years when only airbuses with some 400-passenger capacity will eventually be used by airlines, the runway would no longer be feasible, hence its imminent closure.

It will be recalled that the last time the runway was expanded was during the time of former Tourism Secretary Eduardo Pilapil who appropriated P10M for the expanded length.

Erstwhile DOTC Secretary Pete Prado, Congressman Rolando Andaya, Sr. and Senator Raul Roco each gave their token share for the airport development. None came during the incumbency of legislators James Jacob and Cho Roco in spite of repeated appeals. Jacob, however, attempted to study a reorientation of the runway which would affect several hectares of productive rice farms on the eastern and southern side of the runway. Such plan was bitterly opposed by the affected farmers.

Airport Manager Ed Ramos, in a separate interview, said there is a need or the local politicos, especially lawmakers Rolando Andaya, Luis Villafuerte, Felix Alfelor and Noli Fuentebella should work together and to stand united in solving the airport’s problems to thwart its immenent closure.

Ramos claimed that the Air Transportation Office (ATO) program on the reorientation of runway to its perpendicular form for correct wind adjustment which is presently pending in Congress should do the job.

He said, “before the 3rd reading in Congress was held in abeyance, the government during the incumbency of Pres. Joseph Estrada was ready to increase payments of P100,000 per hectare to farm owners from the negotiated price of P50,000 for farms affected in the expansion.”

The needed upgrading and rehabilitation could transform the Naga facility into an alternate international, all weather airport to serve the expected growth of tourism, trade and industry in Camarines Sur and adjacent provinces.

He said a plan to build a new airport somewhere in San Fernando or Pamplona may be an expensive, if not inviable, proposition. “Re-orienting the present runway for its needed length and safe expanse will entail relatively lower budget, the extra amount to be expended for other basic facilities such as VIP rooms, comfort rooms, covered shed for well-wishers and other safety equipment,” he said.

Ramos, a seasoned airport manager and an AIM graduate, envied other places in the country with comparatively better airports such as Davao City were economic boom where alternate international or better standard airports were developed.

In the meantime, he said, the pre-departure area should be expanded and a VIP room provided. Construction of typhoon-damaged perimeter fence with parking space and toilets are likewise under implementation. “Work pace is determined by release of funds from the central office through Assistant Secretary Nilo C. Jatico, who takes care of all ATO problems.”

It was also learned that Pili town could generate additional income from business billboards that can be installed along the municipal road leading to the airport.
Seeking information from PAL Manager Efren Badong, who appeared to be initially annoyed when presented the conditions of stakeholders of the only airline using the airport, this reporter was told that PAL assists in improving the present needs of the Naga airport whenever possible.

Citing instances of tourism development, Badong said it is only at his airport that there is no tourism booth to showcase Naga City and Camarines Sur unlike all other airports in the country or abroad that even maintain comprehensive tourism promotion areas.

Ramos, meanwhile, expressed his appreciation to the Bicol Mail for bringing to the attention of its readers and the public the deteriorating conditions obtaining at the airport. He said he has sent a copy of this paper’s issue last week to ATO Undersecretary Jatico for his information and appropriate action.

Masbate sea, air transport paralyzed
By EDGAR J. TAMAYO
April 17, 2009, 5:20pm

Masbate City — City officials here have called on the Department of Transportation and Communications (DoTC) to allocate funds for the improvement of the provincial airport so that regular plane flights from Manila to Masbate and vice versa can be resumed.

Vice Mayor Alan B. Cos said that the sangguniang panglungsod (city council) passed early last year a resolution seeking funds for the airport project, but the city has not received a positive response from the DoTC.

Sources said that DoTC has released some P11 million to a congressman for the improvement of the airport, particularly asphalting of the runway and acquisition of safety landing facilities. “However, the improvement of the airstrip has suffered delays for unknown reason,” Cos said.

The delay prompted Zest Airlines, formerly Asian Spirit, to stop its flights to the province for one month now, thereby paralyzing air transport from Masbate to Manila, Legaspi, and Cebu. Cos said the airline executives reportedly aired fears of accidents that might cost lives and property if the airport is not improved.

Cos said that the recent flights to Masbate took place during the four-day annual celebration of the Rodeo Masbateño Festival early this month when Sea Air Transport made three flights to Masbate.

Montenegro Shipping Lines also plied the Masbate-Lucena route to ferry people who attended the festival.

He said that the sea transport from Masbate to Manila via Lucena City in Quezon has stopped for unknown reason.


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If only they knew (whoever they are) :ohno:

It's good to have an international airport but I think it's still premature and impractical. Legazpi has a decent airport of international standards already and putting up an international airport in daraga to replace the decent airport of legazpi is rather insulting to the camarinenses and masbatenyos; and a waste of money having said that the one in legazpi is still in good condition.

Reasoning out that the new airport in daraga would serve the whole region is not even good enough because of the absence of superior highways in the region.

IMO Reorienting the naga airport, rehabilitating the masbate airport and acquiring of new instruments to the present airports of Bicol is the most practical thing to do. as much as possible, no new airport. RDC can build one, when the infrastracture of Bicol is already in good and proper condition.

However, the thing (daraga airport) is already at hand and let's just support the project in any way we can. Let's just hope that these two airports would also receive the same priority that has been given by the RDC to the albay airport.

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Moving on to the regional center topic, I beg to disagree to some of the forumers. I agree with them when they said having albay as the regional center will benefit the most. But how about cam norte and Naga? We cannot just pass them the burden knowing that cam norte too is a part of bicol, and naga is the business center of Bicol having the most number of business establishments. We also cannot just leave them rotting just by sacrificing them in putting all the big projects in albay just to benefit most. If we will have an analogy it's like irresponsible parenting. It's like a parent neglecting two of there children in exchange of the benefit of the other 4. Bicol would not be called bicol without camarines province. We cannot just concentrate on the 4 provinces at the expense of 2.

So in IMO, it still better to have say 2/3 of the regional offices in albay and 1/3 in the north. Or they can always put an annex of each offices in the north so as to have a fair share. It is bicol and it would always be divided into two because of it's geography. We can always follow what the san miguel corp did with its plants in Bicol. It has a North and a South Bicol plant.

I believe that putting up two international airports in the midst of poverty and crisis is selfishness and concenrating on the majority at the expense of others is also selfishness. Let us not be blinded
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I hope I won't be misunderstood. I'm not bashing anyone. I'm just sharing my idea. BTW long time no post.:) Just dropping by hehe...

walang character ang naga terminal....wala pang aircon....when i went there last year dun ko naexperience na ang pilot meron message na maikli ang runway and brace for an aborted landing....kaya triple dasal mo na makuha nyang mag land one time lang..:lol:

Kindly elaborate why? Naga and Legazpi is two of the most dangerous? Why then has there not been a single mishap in this two airports specially legazpi. Although there was a close call a few months back... but it was not due to the airports design but the stupidity of the ATO chiefs son who was showing off to his girlfriend by driving across the runway to prove that he can use the premises as a shortcut not knowing that an airplane is already on its touchdown phase. The ATO chief was sacked the next day by the way.

Well, both are very near mountains=winds/updrafts. Naga City has a very short runway, and people say the runway needs reorienting.

With regard to Legazpi, it's very near to a volcano, which is the reason why the proposed Bicol International Airport was located in Daraga, at a place farther from Mayon (which is still really near to the volcano, by the way--political considerations may have factored in), and which is also the reason why Legazpi Airport was not simply upgraded to international standards.

I would like to post you the links explaining my statements, but i don't have them. I read them from somewhere, i just don't remember where. Anyway, Sind24's post may also help you with your question. :)

Mishaps, although can be used as an indicator of how dangerous airports are, can not be used as the single indicator. There are many other factors. Dangerous airports means that there are, well dangers, which of course can always be handled and avoided given the right precautions.

The fact that these two airports are recognized as dangerous may also have helped reduce mishaps, because controllers and pilots may have become more careful landing and taking off from these airports, knowing how dangerous they are.

Well, both are very near mountains=winds/updrafts. Naga City has a very short runway, and people say the runway needs reorienting.

With regard to Legazpi, it's very near to a volcano, which is the reason why the proposed Bicol International Airport was located in Daraga, at a place farther from Mayon (which is still really near to the volcano, by the way--political considerations may have factored in), and which is also the reason why Legazpi Airport was not simply upgraded to international standards.

I would like to post you the links explaining my statements, but i don't have them. I read them from somewhere, i just don't remember where. Anyway, Sind24's post may also help you with your question. :)

Mishaps, although can be used as an indicator of how dangerous airports are, can not be used as the single indicator. There are many other factors. Dangerous airports means that there are, well dangers, which of course can always be handled and avoided given the right precautions.

The fact that these two airports are recognized as dangerous may also have helped reduce mishaps, because controllers and pilots may have become more careful landing and taking off from these airports, knowing how dangerous they are.

Ok... yes in a way it is near a volcano but it doesn't mean it is in the immediate danger zone of the volcano. Mayon has a 6km radius permanent danger zone, 8km radius danger zone during eruption. Legazpi Urban area where airport is located is well beyond that danger zone. Prevailing winds in the city is east-west/ west-east effectively avoiding volcanic ash danger during eruption since the Legazpi city is in the SOUTHERN flank of Mayon. The runway is also relatively long at 2280 x 36m. Although admittedly wala syang ILS or modern landing assistance equipments and night time landing is also not possible. But this can be remedied easily with proper funding support from the government.

gawin na lang secondary airport....pag tapos na ang bia

^^ When BIA gets built, with ample allowance for future expansion, WNP wouldn't be needed as a secondary airport. The best case scenario would be to let the airport cater to GenAv operations. Or, use the land for some other commercial use apart from aviation.

^^ When BIA gets built, with ample allowance for future expansion, WNP wouldn't be needed as a secondary airport. The best case scenario would be to let the airport cater to GenAv operations. Or, use the land for some other commercial use apart from aviation.

Are you referring to WNP (Naga Airport) or to LGP (Legaspi Airport)? If you are referring to Naga Airport, can you explain why? I am a lay person when it comes to aviation, and i am not acquainted with the nuances of that field, but from my perspective, and from the perspective of many others, especially the frequent fliers, whether an international airport is built in Legaspi or not, a domestic airport in Naga should not be affected. What difference does it make? :)

In the status quo, even with LGP present, there is demand for Naga-Manila route, and in fact, the said demand is increasing. Can you explain why placing BIA will change that? I mean, can you explain to me why BIA will erase the need to keep Naga Airport running?

Because personally, i go home to Naga several times a year, and i go there by plane. I just don't have the time for an 8-hour trip, and neither do i have time to go to LGP (2-3hours from Naga) just to wait for another hour at the airport, and go through another hour in a plane to go to Manila.:)

^^ When BIA gets built, with ample allowance for future expansion, WNP wouldn't be needed as a secondary airport. The best case scenario would be to let the airport cater to GenAv operations. Or, use the land for some other commercial use apart from aviation.

bigay na lang sa military....jump off point nila....sa counter insurgency...

Are you referring to WNP (Naga Airport) or to LGP (Legaspi Airport)? If you are referring to Naga Airport, can you explain why? I am a lay person when it comes to aviation, and i am not acquainted with the nuances of that field, but from my perspective, and from the perspective of many others, especially the frequent fliers, whether an international airport is built in Legaspi or not, a domestic airport in Naga should not be affected. What difference does it make? :)

In the status quo, even with LGP present, there is demand for Naga-Manila route, and in fact, the said demand is increasing. Can you explain why placing BIA will change that? I mean, can you explain to me why BIA will erase the need to keep Naga Airport running?

Because personally, i go home to Naga several times a year, and i go there by plane. I just don't have the time for an 8-hour trip, and neither do i have time to go to LGP (2-3hours from Naga) just to wait for another hour at the airport, and go through another hour in a plane to go to Manila.:)

What I'm saying is that if/when BIA gets built, WNP and LGP airports might not be needed because you already will have a mega-airport that would accomodate current and future traffic from both airports. Making it, BIA, an aviation hub for the region instead of having it be city-specific. Granted that some people will have to travel greater times and distances to get to the airport, but with airports being built farther and farther away from city centers these days, it's now beginning to be the norm rather than the exception.

What I'm saying is that if/when BIA gets built, WNP and LGP airports might not be needed because you already will have a mega-airport that would accomodate current and future traffic from both airports. Making it, BIA, an aviation hub for the region instead of having it be city-specific. Granted that some people will have to travel greater times and distances to get to the airport, but with airports being built farther and farther away from city centers these days, it's now beginning to be the norm rather than the exception.

I understand what you mean. :) but that may be starting to become the norm only because other countries build good transport systems going to and from the airports. If, for example, with BIA, they also put in place hi-speed trains from naga to the said airport, i perfectly understand what you mean. but with how things are, i don't think WNP will be effectively replaced by the BIA. Besides, with Mayon, a secondary airport may still very well be needed.

I understand what you mean. :) but that may be starting to become the norm only because other countries build good transport systems going to and from the airports. If, for example, with BIA, they also put in place hi-speed trains from naga to the said airport, i perfectly understand what you mean. but with how things are, i don't think WNP will be effectively replaced by the BIA. Besides, with Mayon, a secondary airport may still very well be needed.

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Aside from the mere 2-lane road connecting naga and daraga, I highly doubt the decommissioning would happen, to think that most of the multinational manila-based corporations have their bicol offices in Naga and its peripheries. That would make business trips via BIA in daraga highly inconvenient and time-consuming.


On the other hand whatever happened to the bidding for the Pre-Feasibility Study and Master Plan for the proposed Libmanan Airport Development Project (http://www.dotc.gov.ph/BID13.pdf) :nuts: That could have been the reason for the lack of action with regards to the short runway in Pili. And in my opinion, this would more likely materialize than the airport upgrade in Pili in view of the upcoming bridge project connecting libamanan and naga, which just came out from nowhere and suddenly became a priority project of the president. The bridge project seem to give a clue of the airport project.

Here are some photos of Naga Airport:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3521528742_4c1a635138_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3648/3521541150_f7a96604b7.jpg
The Terminal Building and Control Tower


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3521528102_5a704f77e9_o.jpg
The Control Tower


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3521550432_ee8089916a.jpg
The parking lot and advertisements on billboards.

hey..no offense ha... pero in my opinion it looks like a high school building.. o kaya naman a 1st class municipal hall sa province.hehe..

hey..no offense ha... pero in my opinion it looks like a high school building.. o kaya naman a 1st class municipal hall sa province.hehe..

It's an airport in Naga eh, and its not even classified as a trunk. I am just thankful it's at least decent. :) After all what can we expect from Philippine Government buildings?

AirPhil still flies to Naga, one on a daily morning flight and every Fri & Sun for additional afternoon flight. WNP seems to be a profitable route for 2P. AM flights are almost fully booked.

para sa akin, 2-3 hours is not that of a big deal. sa palawan nga, u can get to subterranean river after 2 1/2 hour ride from the airport. but i guess, i do believe that naga needs an airport. pero i think it's best to put the int'l one in albay. heheh...

AirPhil still flies to Naga, one on a daily morning flight and every Fri & Sun for additional afternoon flight. WNP seems to be a profitable route for 2P. AM flights are almost fully booked.

I think so too. The afternoon flights though i think will only be until the first week of June. That's what the lady at their check-in office at the airport said.

Just wondering, it's obvious that WNP needs to expand... But who should we push to get things started?

^^ How about speaking to, or getting the attention of your local airport authorities and city/provincial government officials.

walang character ang naga terminal....wala pang aircon....when i went there last year dun ko naexperience na ang pilot meron message na maikli ang runway and brace for an aborted landing....kaya triple dasal mo na makuha nyang mag land one time lang..:lol:

You should have seen what Mactan Airport terminal look like when it started to operate. Maliit, no aircon, noisy, smelly kapag umandar ang eroplano dahil sa usok. Ang kobita nako, hold your breath ba :nuts::lol::lol:

^^ How about speaking to, or getting the attention of your local airport authorities and city/provincial government officials.

Actually doing Sir eh.Think Sir Naga_boy do the best effort for this issue as well as we, Naguenos Forumers.

:banana::banana::banana:

Just wondering, it's obvious that WNP needs to expand... But who should we push to get things started?

Politics is the answer to that. No doubt about it. WNP was supposed to be upgraded to international standards way back in 2002 and AFAIK, there had been a budget allocated for it already. But unfortunately, estrada got ousted and so does the expansion.

The current city mayor today is not in the same politcal alliance with the president and the congressman, while the politicians in albay are political allies of the president, so their international airport materializes while Naga's expansion doesn't.

Politics is the answer to that. No doubt about it. WNP was supposed to be upgraded to international standards way back in 2002 and AFAIK, there had been a budget allocated for it already. But unfortunately, estrada got ousted and so does the expansion.

The current city mayor today is not in the same politcal alliance with the president and the congressman, while the politicians in albay are political allies of the president, so their international airport materializes while Naga's expansion doesn't.

Iho! Eto na naman tayo. Ilang beses ba namin lilinawin na late 90's pa yan Plano pero its just now that is gathering steam. You guys guys just find whatever blame just to bad mouth albay oficials and albayanos for that matter. Stop the sour graping please its getting pathetic!

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I wasn't bad mouthing the officials of albay, I just mentioned that the conflict in political alliances between Naga and the current admin has been the reason why the WNP expansion stopped, and my goodness, I didn't even mention that the WNP expansion was earlier planned than the BIA in albay, so why clear things up that the BIA was planned in the 90's?

The reason why I said that the WNP expansion was planned way back in 2002, is to inform jef_xavier that there had been a planned expansion already before,that the problem had been addressed even before and that political alliances have been depriving the WNP expansion at the moment. I included the situation of the BIA, only as a supporting detail not as a badmouthing to your officials. And if there is someone whom I have been badmouthing in my previous post, it would be the president not your officials. Totoo naman, pati pork barrels deprived yung mga opposition politicians to recieve them, di ba?

so kahit ulit-ulitin mo mang linawin na late 90's pa yan Plano, I won't care because in the first place, it's not even related to the topic. You're the one injecting the clash between the two province in the topic not me. I just can't understand why some people read beyond what they can see.

Iho! Eto na naman tayo. Ilang beses ba namin lilinawin na late 90's pa yan Plano pero its just now that is gathering steam. You guys guys just find whatever blame just to bad mouth albay oficials and albayanos for that matter. Stop the sour graping please its getting pathetic!

Hi, I dont think he was bad-mouthing Albay. It's just true that the officials there are aligned with the current administration. where's the bad-mouthing there?

And yes, late 90's pa yung plan, but ngayon lang natuloy. Which is what's happening with the WNP. Napupush-back ang plans because different people with different affiliations and priorities take-over.

To say that it's only now that the proposed BIA has gathered steam because their officials there are aligned with the administration, and that WNP has been neglected because officials there are against the administration is not to say that officials there, meaning both in albay and camsur/naga are bad. It's a statement of a political truth that we just can't deny.

Just thinking about politics, maybe its worth pointing out that Cong. L. Villafuerte is a strong figure in the administration. I just don't understand why he doesn't pull the strings to get things done...

If the reason is that LRay, the governor is not in his side, well LRV in the past has always managed to side with the administration. Pero wala naman siyang nagawa para sa airport natin. Maybe his priorities are different lang... too bad.

Hi, I dont think he was bad-mouthing Albay. It's just true that the officials there are aligned with the current administration. where's the bad-mouthing there?

And yes, late 90's pa yung plan, but ngayon lang natuloy. Which is what's happening with the WNP. Napupush-back ang plans because different people with different affiliations and priorities take-over.

To say that it's only now that the proposed BIA has gathered steam because their officials there are aligned with the administration, and that WNP has been neglected because officials there are against the administration is not to say that officials there, meaning both in albay and camsur/naga are bad. It's a statement of a political truth that we just can't deny.

Thank you for saying this. Again, I just don't understand why some people tend to read beyond what they can see.

Just thinking about politics, maybe its worth pointing out that Cong. L. Villafuerte is a strong figure in the administration. I just don't understand why he doesn't pull the strings to get things done...

If the reason is that LRay, the governor is not in his side, well LRV in the past has always managed to side with the administration. Pero wala naman siyang nagawa para sa airport natin. Maybe his priorities are different lang... too bad.

I think it's not only due to his conflicts with his son but with Robredo as well.
WNP has been suffering these political conflicts. There is even a pending proposal to change its name to Pili Airport. Another is Dato's presence in the 1st district. Arroyo would more likely favor his son to have an airport project in libmanan than expanding WNP. Again the reason is politics, and there is no badmouthing to the albay officials.

Hehehe... You don't have to say it. I can read between the lines. My English teacher taught me well.

Kindly explain to me then why Drilon pulled off iloilo airport in which BIA is a far cry in terms of amount of moolah appropriated. He is also opposition if I'm not wrong. I remember one time when he begged the admin not to scrap the project just because he was under investigation and a staunch admin critic.

Admittedly yes I can see salceda knows how to twist arms to get things done. At least he is doing his job. Can you blame him? Now if Lrays father is pro admin, and Lray himself Is really motivated to get a simple airport expansion done, I don't see why he can't. If he can pull off cwc on his own why not an airport expansion? I guess extreme sports is his passion and that's where he got his extra drive to continue even without admin support. That looks to me like he is indulging himself(IMHO)...... Luckily it worked out or else he would have been grilled by the trapo's of camsur for building a huge fish pond.

Politics is the answer to that. No doubt about it. WNP was supposed to be upgraded to international standards way back in 2002 and AFAIK, there had been a budget allocated for it already. But unfortunately, estrada got ousted and so does the expansion.

The current city mayor today is not in the same politcal alliance with the president and the congressman, while the politicians in albay are political allies of the president, so their international airport materializes while Naga's expansion doesn't.

maaari nga.. ganun naman sa gov't tlga eh.. palakasan..

Kindly explain to me then why Drilon pulled off iloilo airport in which BIA is a far cry in terms of amount of moolah appropriated. He is also opposition if I'm not wrong. I remember one time when he begged the admin not to scrap the project just because he was under investigation and a staunch admin critic.


Actually, at the time the airport was being planned and constructed, Franklin Drilon was a staunch administration supporter. He defected to the opposition well after construction had already begun (2005, at the height of Hello Garci). In addition, it was in his best interests to defend the construction of ILO against allegations of financial irregularities, arguably since the airport is his biggest pet project yet.

I think so too. The afternoon flights though i think will only be until the first week of June. That's what the lady at their check-in office at the airport said.


Is that so? Sayang nman kaka-introduce plng nman ng PM flights this May lng. I think they are testing the PM flight kung profitable din like the AM flight.

Hehehe... You don't have to say it. I can read between the lines. My English teacher taught me well.

Kindly explain to me then why Drilon pulled off iloilo airport in which BIA is a far cry in terms of amount of moolah appropriated. He is also opposition if I'm not wrong. I remember one time when he begged the admin not to scrap the project just because he was under investigation and a staunch admin critic.


FYI, Drilon was with the administration before, and like all the other political prostitutes, he decided to be with the opposition. Skyharbor already answered your question. And may I also add that Iloilo is a known administration territory back then unlike in the case of naga and some parts of cam sur.


Admittedly yes I can see salceda knows how to twist arms to get things done. At least he is doing his job. Can you blame him?


I'm not talking about salceda's magic here and no one's blaming his magic. Albay politicians were merely used as supporting detail to the political situation in this country and your making a big deal out of it. Your making simple things complicated. It's the sick political alliances that is the problem here and defending a governor who's not even being blamed here is just nonsense. And don't ever try to cite some examples to contradict the obvious political sickness in this country. Almost all of the politicians are guilty of what I've said and by injecting and defending your governor in this topic will just not make sense at all.


Now if Lrays father is pro admin, and Lray himself Is really motivated to get a simple airport expansion done, I don't see why he can't. If he can pull off cwc on his own why not an airport expansion? I guess extreme sports is his passion and that's where he got his extra drive to continue even without admin support. That looks to me like he is indulging himself(IMHO)...... Luckily it worked out or else he would have been grilled by the trapo's of camsur for building a huge fish pond.

Just because Lray made the cwc succesful, you're now expecting that he could do the airport alone. If i were him I too wouldn't consider doing it alone. Why would a governor use the money of the province for an airport when there are the agencies such as the DOTC and others which are the ones responsible for the said project. The province doesn't own or control the airport (but the DOTC?/ATO?) in my own understanding, so why pour all the money of the province in the airport? The problem of WNP is its dangerous short runway, it's the problem of the agency controlling it, the province would just help not do its expansion alone.


There had been an expansion proposal already and it has been long hanging in the NEDA infra plans and also in the DOTC. and again, politics is the reason for that, it's the obivous truth. There's no doubt about it. Even the local politicians in the province such as the mayors of naga and pili are pushing for WNP's expansion but whichever is responsible for it just continues to ignore. The DOTC is now working on the prefeasibility plan for the libmanan airport, while the mere WNP expansion which could have saved the present government from spending another airport in the province still continues to be ignored. Now tell me who's not exerting an effort here. Or was it because of the people behind the DOTC? who do you think approves the projects of the DOTC? Is it the DOTC alone, I guess not? Don't get me wrong, I'm a pro-administration but it just so happens that these political alliances are depriving and affecting the development of some, if not most, places in the country.

FYI, Drilon was with the administration before, and like all the other political prostitutes, he decided to be with opposition. Skyharbor already answered your question. And may I also add that Iloilo is a known administration territory up until now unlike in the case of naga and some parts of cam sur.


I'll just clarify the local politics and perception of my hometown. Yes, it was pro-administration pre-Garci days...but soon afterwards Drilon switched sides, then not all of Iloilo is pro-administration. The vice-gov (Suplico) is a staunch opposition, the gov is luke-warm admin-oppo, the city mayor of Iloilo is admin, congressmen tend top have their interests of their own and a secretary of (in)justice who is a "tuta" of the president.

The "Hello Garci" scandal and the switching allegiance of Drilon was the key factor of the changing atmosphere of political administration of Iloilo.

In other words, my hometown is a mish-mash of admin-opposition and independents (walang pakialam sa national).

The airport was launched by Gloria which is a pet project of Drilon and was faced by admin-opposition guests during its launch in 2007...she didn't faced a "solid pro-admin" crowd upon launching.

This is just to clarify the perception that Iloilo is mostly or still is pro-administration. Sorry for the OT.

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No prob, I already edited it. Anyway I was thinking of the district reps at your place at that time. If I'm not mistaken, most of the representatives from iloilo belong to the lakas-cmd so I assumed that the province is still an admin territory up until present.

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No prob, I already edited it. Anyway I was thinking of the district reps at your place at that time. If I'm not mistaken, most of the representatives from iloilo belong to the lakas-cmd so I assumed that the province is still an admin territory up until present.

Umm, that's an assumption. Remember that these politicos have their own interests and 2010 seems that there would be no such thing as admin-opposition since its a different scenario unlike that of 2004.

And yes, most of them are under one party but there seems to be too much what's going on with the current status of the party.

Basta, puli-pulitika lang yan...isang mahabang telenovela. :lol:

Sorry again for the OT.

this thread keeps on dying after discussions--heated ones, on the issue of upgrading the airport.

I was just wondering, just what is the capacity of Naga Airport, and what airport technologies, facilities, etc. does it have?

Hi from Legazpi thread ,since i cant find the cam sur thread..
Dato arroyo proposed a secondary international airport in cam sur. bakit kaya? How true is this?22o po ba ito? sana nga dyan na lang sa camarines sur yung international airport ng legazpi. for many factors..but i guess they want to make legazpi the center of attraction
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/09252007/economy07.html

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No prob, I already edited it. Anyway I was thinking of the district reps at your place at that time. If I'm not mistaken, most of the representatives from iloilo belong to the lakas-cmd so I assumed that the province is still an admin territory up until present.

Good day beautiful Naga!! :)

A majority of them are ^^ .. I was thinking that the airport pushed through because Iloilo along with Cebu delivered the landslide votes for Gloria in the 2004 presidential elections. Maybe it's Gloria's way of payback time?

Re: Naga airport. I hope an airport of international standard will soon materialize in the Bicol region ASAP. But as i read through the pages of this thread, it's the location that's being assessed.

The proposed Libmanan International Airport is co-terminus with Gloria. It will die a natural death with the incoming new president.

just a question guys, how far is the nearest restaurant/ commercial center from the airport? Im just looking for a place to hang around cos im going to naga and back on the same day just for e very quick meeting (1hr) then back to manila and i was hoping if you guys can suggest a place close to the airport to hangout? like a starbucks of coffee place or something. any help would be much appreciated, thank you so much!

just a question guys, how far is the nearest restaurant/ commercial center from the airport? Im just looking for a place to hang around cos im going to naga and back on the same day just for e very quick meeting (1hr) then back to manila and i was hoping if you guys can suggest a place close to the airport to hangout? like a starbucks of coffee place or something. any help would be much appreciated, thank you so much!

Hey, if youre looking for Starbucks, Naga doesn't have that yet. Mocha Blends, Kopi Roti, Beanbag(local coffee shop) and Coffee Beanery are the nearest alternatives to that at Magsaysay Ave (it's sort of the lifestyle strip in Naga City. It's where Yellow Cab, Max's, etc. are located.) Or, you can go to SM Naga. With a private car, it would prolly be a 15-20 minute-drive from the Airport. But if you're settling with public transportation, the travel time would be around 30minutes--In that case, better go to SM Naga because that's just beside the public transport terminal.

The proposed Libmanan International Airport is co-terminus with Gloria. It will die a natural death with the incoming new president.

Sad but true.

Guys, i was reading from the Airlines, Airplanes, and Airports Thread, and they observed that starting September 1, PAL express would begin serving WNP, replacing AirPhils. What this means is that WNP may not see jetplanes anymore. lahat na ulit turboprops ang maglaland sa Naga Airport. :( Although okay na rin siguro kasi AirPhils uses B737-200's which are about 25-30 years old already.

I checked the flight schedules at Philippine Airlines website, and ganun nga yata ang mangyayari.

The good news is, PAL express accumulates Mabuhay Miles. I have issues with the sked tho. The Naga-Manila Flight is scheduled at 9am and travel time is about 50 minutes. Medyo alanganin.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/flights/timetable/mnlwnp_wnpmnl_timetable.jsp?to=MNL

just a question guys, how far is the nearest restaurant/ commercial center from the airport? Im just looking for a place to hang around cos im going to naga and back on the same day just for e very quick meeting (1hr) then back to manila and i was hoping if you guys can suggest a place close to the airport to hangout? like a starbucks of coffee place or something. any help would be much appreciated, thank you so much!

go to the Avenue....nice place to hang out.

post from Naga City and Camarines Sur Thread....

NAGA AIRPORT : LOCATED AT PILI, CAMARINES SUR


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NAGA AIRPORT : PILI, CAMARINES SUR

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hello @hakz I'm just wondering if how long does it take from the airport to CWC?:)

hello @hakz I'm just wondering if how long does it take from the airport to CWC?:)

Hey. Just around 10minutes if youre using a private car or a shuttle. It's quite near the airport.

yung naga terminal maliit ...dalawang planes lang puno na agad.....at wala pang aircon...maiksi ang runway so the pilot will tell the passengers the possibility of an aborted landing....kaya lahat ng pasahero lakas mag pray i experienced it at talagang it made me pray....:lol:

Hey. Just around 10minutes if youre using a private car or a shuttle. It's quite near the airport.

thanks @jef that sure is a short ride to CWC, most cities will take a while ...that would be an advantage for Naga's tourism.

yung naga terminal maliit ...dalawang planes lang puno na agad.....at wala pang aircon...maiksi ang runway so the pilot will tell the passengers the possibility of an aborted landing....kaya lahat ng pasahero lakas mag pray i experienced it at talagang it made me pray....:lol:

on the brighter side, its an adventure that won't be forgotten in a long time...:)

Why is it called Naga Airport but the location is in Pili, CamSur?

just like asking why manila airport when it is in pasay/paranaque.

go to the Avenue....nice place to hang out.

Avenue ba yun or A venue......naka check in ako sa isang hotel na ang pangalan ay A venue....meron siyang katapat na maliit na mall at malapit sya sa simbahan ng Penafrancia....

Hindi pa rin airconditioned ang predeparture area ng Naga airport? Pwede naman kahit window type airconditioner lang kc maliit lang naman ang predeparture area eh. Last year pumunta ako jan, early mornmig flight bound for Manila nga yon pero pinagpawisan na kami :omg:

Hindi pa rin airconditioned ang predeparture area ng Naga airport? Pwede naman kahit window type airconditioner lang kc maliit lang naman ang predeparture area eh. Last year pumunta ako jan, early mornmig flight bound for Manila nga yon pero pinagpawisan na kami :omg:

This is so true. Anyway, evidently, a lot needs to be done about the airport. It's just that political will is missing.

ah nakuu,kailangan po pala ng renovation? ang naga airport. tamad nnmn ang ating gobyerno..sino nmn kya ang mag fufunds nyan?

ah nakuu,kailangan po pala ng renovation? ang naga airport. tamad nnmn ang ating gobyerno..sino nmn kya ang mag fufunds nyan?


No need for renovation dahil mukhang bago pa naman ang 2 storey bldg ng airport terminal. Kaso lang, walang aircon ang check-in at predeparture areas. Maiksi na medyo malapad ang bldg. Lagyan na lang ng kahit window type aircons pls. :nuts::nuts::nuts:

I looked at the flight schedule of Zest Air, and it is footnoted in there that MNL-WNP flights will only be up until Oct. 11.... does this mean that Zest Air is pulling out of WNP?

BTW, i was pleasantly surprised when Oct. 5 this year, i found out that the departure area of WNP now has 4 airconditions and are being used! :D nice improvement. It means the Government is doing something about that airport.

^^tnx for the update jef.
Zest will have daily flights to WNP starting Nov. 16... :)

^^
Oh.. Good news!

Iyong pasahero ay nanlalamig sa aircondition. Iyong piloto ay pinagpapawis sa maikling runway.

Iyong pasahero ay nanlalamig sa aircondition. Iyong piloto ay pinagpapawis sa maikling runway.

LOL natawa ako pero true. OH! so that's the change. Daily na pala! That's great news! kasi minsan i have to go back to Naga bigla, eh if you buy airline tickets the day before, sobrang mahal na. Z2 usually still has cheap fares kahit ganun na.

BTW, i was pleasantly surprised when Oct. 5 this year, i found out that the departure area of WNP now has 4 airconditions and are being used! :D nice improvement. It means the Government is doing something about that airport.

Yey! At last. May AC na sila. :lol::banana:

^^tnx for the update jef.
Zest will have daily flights to WNP starting Nov. 16... :)

Ui. Good news. Sana pati PAL Express tsaka AirPhil after ng re-fleeting. :okay:

Iyong pasahero ay nanlalamig sa aircondition. Iyong piloto ay pinagpapawis sa maikling runway.

:rofl:

Natawa ako pero napaka-ironic. Hehehe. Sana lang kasi gawan ng paraan para kahit paano ma-extend ung runway ng WNP. Kulang lang sa political will pero kaya yan gawan ng paraan.

^^tnx for the update jef.
Zest will have daily flights to WNP starting Nov. 16... :)

Found a PDF file about it. :okay:

http://www.zestair.com.ph/downloads/flight_schedule.pdf

When are they going to extend the airport runway ?

^^ No news about it so most likely it's not going to be extended in the near future. Frustrating.

Ui. Good news. Sana pati PAL Express tsaka AirPhil after ng re-fleeting.

PAL express already flies twice daily to WNP, actually. :)

Nakakatuwa naman ito.

CebPac flies 3x daily
PALex flies 2x daily
ZestAir flies Once daily

madaming flights na rin ito.

BTW, when AirPhil stopped operations for refleeting, PAL express took over. After its refleeting, hindi na yata pwede magserve ang AirPhil sa WNP kasi parang A320 rin ang gagamitin nila. Hindi pwede yun sa short runways. Unless they acquire B737 (737-300,-400,-500) classics.

small frequent flights na lang pala ang kaya ng Naga airport. Parang sa Caticlan airport. Sayang naman :ohno: :wallbash: :down:

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the runway alignment of WNP prevents it (the airport) from expanding. That's why it was suggested that a new airport be built in Libmanan.

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the runway alignment of WNP prevents it (the airport) from expanding. That's why it was suggested that a new airport be built in Libmanan.

HMMM... OO nga, so that's why in one of the NEDA reports, one of the things that needs to be done to WNP is to reorient and at the same time extend its runway.

The flights in WNP is already equivalent to 3 A320s or a B747 daily. Good increase of traffic.

PAL express already flies twice daily to WNP, actually. :)

Nakakatuwa naman ito.

CebPac flies 3x daily
PALex flies 2x daily
ZestAir flies Once daily

madaming flights na rin ito.

BTW, when AirPhil stopped operations for refleeting, PAL express took over. After its refleeting, hindi na yata pwede magserve ang AirPhil sa WNP kasi parang A320 rin ang gagamitin nila. Hindi pwede yun sa short runways. Unless they acquire B737 (737-300,-400,-500) classics.

Uu nga. Tinignan ko sa PAL Express site (http://www.philippineairlines.com/flights/timetable/mnlwnp_wnpmnl_timetable.jsp?to=WNP), 2x daily nga pala ung flights.

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the runway alignment of WNP prevents it (the airport) from expanding. That's why it was suggested that a new airport be built in Libmanan.

I don't know this issue about the alignment of the runway. Can you elaborate?

mas okay na ung small planes for short-haul flights... and the advantage of it, mas madaming choices of flights pagpipilian... more choices, more fun! :)

^^ May point ka pero at least pahabain man lang ung runway kasi medyo delikado siya. And the mere fact na madami na ulit interesadong gumamit ng WNP, the more na kailangan iextend siya. Kumikita naman eh.

^^

and we don't want another caticlan incident to happen again. :ohno:

^^ Of course we don't want that. I feel sorry for Caticlan. :ohno::(

infairness maganda ang teminal building ng naga mas classy not the same as the the other contemporary airport building design throughout country yun nga lang as they say maliit saka walang aircon...but that can be fast resolved not a big issue...

^^ That's not even the original terminal. This is the original terminal (or at least the terminal before its refurbishing):

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Naga Airport terminal building by kurz andreas PH (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kurzandreas/466473731/)

with about 40 flights a week now (including afternoon flights), WNP surely deserves a bigger terminal building, a longer runway, and bigger aircraft :cheers:

this is a far cry from the 1x/ day flight schedule not so long ago. fly high naga!

the rice fields that look like giant green and gold patchwork surrounding the airport are always a sight to behold as the plane approaches WNP.

^^ WNP is in DIRE need of a better airport! It is currently one of the busiest major domestic airports in the country yet look at its facilities. :ohno:

MANILA, Philippines — Air Philippines will operate eight Bombardier turboprop aircraft leased from Philippine Airlines (PAL) effective October 27, 2009, it was learned Tuesday.

The turboprop fleet will fly to 19 towns and cities, operating out of two hubs—Manila and Cebu. The airline will follow a new business model focusing on delivering safe, affordable, and quality service a statement from Air Philippines said.

A new management team was appointed to implement the airline’s new business model. David Lim, Air Philippines’ new president, and Cesar Chiong, EVP and COO, were tasked to fast track the airline’s conversion to a low-cost business model using a leaner workforce.

The turboprop fleet consists of the state-of-the-art Canadian-built Bombardier Q-series that boasts of the latest in noise and vibration reduction technology. The 50-seater Q300 and 76-seater Q400 aircraft offer generous legroom and a very quiet cabin. “Q” stands for “quiet,” the statement said.

Air Philippines serves the following destinations out of its hub in Manila: Tuguegarao, San Jose (Mindoro Occidental), Naga, Virac, Busuanga, Catarman, Calbayog, Ormoc, and Surigao. From Cebu, Air Philippines flies to Kalibo, Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan De Oro, Gen. Santos, Zamboanga, and from Zamboanga to Davao.

Operations to Caticlan for Boracay traffic will resume as soon as runway improvements are completed. Additional cities in Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao are being evaluated for future operations.

All Air Philippines flights are code-shared with Philippine Airlines with the latter as the marketing carrier. Tickets issued by PAL will be accepted for carriage.

For more information and booking requirements, visit or call (02) 855-9000.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20091027-232507/8-new-Air-Philippines-planes-for-domestic-flights#

I don't know this issue about the alignment of the runway. Can you elaborate?

It has something to do with crosswinds, if I'm not mistaken.

^^ So the airport was constructed incorrectly then, right?

have heard the thing about crosswinds before. some connection with the airport's proximity to isarog daa. i don't know the precise scientific explanation, though.

so 2P (airphil) is back? if i remember it correctly, the PalEx planes were originally intended for 2P.

the aircraft used by 2P in WNP, though old, was still more convenient compared to the current Q400.

^^ So the airport was constructed incorrectly then, right?

At the time, no. But now, yes.

^^ Nyay. How standards change so abruptly. I just hope they do upgrade this airport and do whatever studiy has to be done so as to conform with the current standards.

so 2P (airphil) is back? if i remember it correctly, the PalEx planes were originally intended for 2P.

There was no PAL Express before. It was only created during AirPhil's re-fleeting program. So logically, it should be that 2P planes were intended for PalEx. But what's happened is that 2P will still be using their old turboprop planes, AFAIK. If that's what it is, I dunno why they had to re-fleet.

if you are purchasing PALEx tickets online, go to both airphil and PAL websites. usually lower rate ang airphil because more buyers tend to go to PAL site, i guess. faster booking for airphil, too.

it's just funny how WNP rates can go astronomical if it's beyond promo/ special fare rates. reaches 10k for a 30- (or even 25-) minute flight!

5J P1 fare (all domestic/ intl flights) ongoing for june 15 to sept 30,2010 flights. but sold like hotcakes.

got round trip tickets for tuguegarao, cebu, cgy, dvo and zam for only P257 each round trip, all-in. but after many, many attempts :nuts:

kaskas naubos si tikets for naga traslacion and fiesta dates! dai nakaabot.

zestair's 4x/wk flight to WNP turns DAILY starting mon, NOV 16, bringing WNP flights to a total of 6 per day:

3 for 5J ( 2 morning flights; 1 afternoon flight; no PM flight on Mondays)
2 PalEx (1 morning; 1 afternoon)
1 Z2 (1 noon)

www.philippineairlines.com
www.cebupacificair.com
www.zestair.com.ph

well naga is a growth area...sa dami ng tourist ngayon na nahikayat ni villafuerte dyan.....talagang dapat lang na magkaron sila ng bagong terminal...why don't the local gov't spend for it...wag na nilang iasa sa natl government total...capable naman sila....kaya nila yan galing ng gov nila kaya dyan...

well naga is a growth area...sa dami ng tourist ngayon na nahikayat ni villafuerte dyan.....talagang dapat lang na magkaron sila ng bagong terminal...why don't the local gov't spend for it...wag na nilang iasa sa natl government total...capable naman sila....kaya nila yan galing ng gov nila kaya dyan...

tumpak! sang-ayon ako sa yo. naga/ camsure deserves both a bigger terminal and a longer, wider runway. at kung hihintayin pa talaga ang gobyerno, wala tayong aabutan. local govt na lang ang mag construct!

there is a planned airstrip naman (c/o the prov'l govt) in caramoan, camsur.

zestair's 4x/wk flight to WNP turns DAILY starting mon, NOV 16, bringing WNP flights to a total of 6 per day:

3 for 5J ( 2 morning flights; 1 afternoon flight; no PM flight on Mondays)
2 PalEx (1 morning; 1 afternoon)
1 Z2 (1 noon)

PAL (www.philippineairlines.com)
CEB (www.cebupacificair.com)
Z2 (www.zestair.com.ph)

Good to hear! :okay:

well naga is a growth area...sa dami ng tourist ngayon na nahikayat ni villafuerte dyan.....talagang dapat lang na magkaron sila ng bagong terminal...why don't the local gov't spend for it...wag na nilang iasa sa natl government total...capable naman sila....kaya nila yan galing ng gov nila kaya dyan...

I agree. Naga and CamSur can do it. But which of the two will do it? The airport is named after the city but it is found in the provincial capital. It's been a long time since the argument to which the airport belongs to started. That will start the argument again. Unless otherwise the Supreme Court gives its verdict, there's no way of telling. :ohno:

I checked Z2's schedule matrix. Here's what I found in their site (http://zestair.com.ph/downloads/flight_schedule.pdf):

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Good to hear! :okay:



I agree. Naga and CamSur can do it. But which of the two will do it? The airport is named after the city but it is found in the provincial capital. It's been a long time since the argument to which the airport belongs to started. That will start the argument again. Unless otherwise the Supreme Court gives its verdict, there's no way of telling. :ohno:

palagay ko madaling ma settle yan....kung sino ang nag invest di sa kanya kita...

palagay ko madaling ma settle yan....kung sino ang nag invest di sa kanya kita...

Umm why not both? they can't act unilaterally. After, all both have big stakes in the upgrading of the airport.

It has something to do with crosswinds, if I'm not mistaken.

the crosswinds or it deals with the physical arrangement of the airport itself.

o siya basta may nagsabi na build it and they will come...

^^ I guess this can be settled after the elections. It's much better to do it that way. Baka nagsisimula na ngayon construction, tapos pag iba na umupo, ipatigil. Sayang ng nasimulan.

thanks for posting the Z2 sked, kev.

in my opinion, the name of WNP airport should not really be a problem. Naga man giraray. reference will always be the main city for practical purposes.

cebu is in mactan (not cebu city); dumaguete is in the next town (like pili!); bacolod is in silay; iloilo in cabatuan (not iloilo city); cagayan de oro soon in laguindingan. im sure even if LGP moves to daraga, reference will remain as LGP. bacolod, though, perhaps to please both sides, is called bacolod-silay but code remains as BCD (bacolod).

and this is certainly not unique to the phils. Tokyo's Narita airport, among others, is not in Tokyo main but in Chiba prefecture.

it's even favorable that location is outside the city so it's away from populated areas.

^^ You're welcome Ignatius.

I'm not after the location at all. It's the confusion to whom the airport belongs to. the province says it's theirs. The city says otherwise. But when it comes to maintenance, no one dare touch it. How ironic. If I were any of the two parties, I'd do whatever is needed to better the facility. If SC says it belongs to the other party, then ask them to pay me.

If that's not possible, then a BOT scheme is another option.

Sometimes the best among us can think differently. :ohno:

^^ The issue there is the political status of Naga. Because the airport is located in Pili, the airport "belongs" to Camarines Sur in the same way that CBO does not belong to Cotabato, but rather to Maguindanao. Now if Naga wasn't an independent component city, then it can say that the airport belongs to it as much as it belongs to Pili and the rest of Camarines Sur.

New to this forum. I found this when searching for airports around Naga City.
Can anyone tell me if there is airports that have flight schools in the area. I am a private pilot and would like to fly when I visit my family in May.
I have also ben searching for car rentals in Naga.

Thanks.:dunno:

^^ Post your query in the Naga City (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=998697) thread too, you might get some answers from the locals there. :colgate:

Oh, and welcome to SSC Philippines! :hi:

Hi Ajerzyguy! :wave:

There's the Aeronautical Academy of the Philippines (http://members.fortunecity.com/aeroacademy/htmls/aap_index.htm) in nearby Canaman. Regarding car rentals, I don't know of any that has a Website but definitely there are cars for rent in the city.

And as kiretoce said, you can visit the Naga City Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=998697) for information from other people from the city.:D

MNL-WNP 1st flight now at 5.45 AM

Effective Dec 15, 1st flight to Naga is at 5:45 am by PAL Express. CebuPac's 1st flight is at 6.35 am effective Dec 13.

Last flight to Naga, also by PalEx, is at 2.20pm. CebuPac's last flight to Naga is at 1.40pm.


from: www.philippineairlines.com; www.airphils.com; www.cebupacificair.com

^^ I re-checked Z2's site. Last time, they declared that by Nov16, 2009, MNL-WNP will be on a daily basis yet it's still on 4x a week. What could've happened?:dunno:

^^ I re-checked Z2's site. Last time, they declared that by Nov16, 2009, MNL-WNP will be on a daily basis yet it's still on 4x a week. What could've happened?:dunno:

no idea. but i've also noticed Z2's cebu routes (except CEBMNL, of course) have disappeared in the latest flight sked (Dec 9).

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/IMG_2047.jpg

saw this in Phil Star today...Air Phil flying to Pagadian soon

:cheers:

I checked Z2's schedule matrix. Here's what I found in their site (http://zestair.com.ph/downloads/flight_schedule.pdf):

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7917/zestairnaga.jpg

I re-checked Z2's updated flight schedule (http://zestair.com.ph/downloads/flight_schedule.pdf). It still shows that MNL-WNP is 4x a week and no further footnote is placed. I guess it's 4x/week until they announce flight changes again.

I re-checked Z2's updated flight schedule (http://zestair.com.ph/downloads/flight_schedule.pdf). It still shows that MNL-WNP is 4x a week and no further footnote is placed. I guess it's 4x/week until they announce flight changes again.

yes still 4x/wk flight sked for zestair. zest-o or no zest-o hehehe...:lol:
that means 39 flights/ wk for WNP, an average of 6-7 flights a day.

kevin, any update on the planned caramoan airstrip? is it true that there is an existing airstrip that just needs to be expanded/ improved?

^^ I don't have any further info about it Father. All I know is that the provincial govt is planning to put up an airstrip there. I guess there's no existing airstrip yet since the people to be affected in the area are asking to have the project shelved or, worse, denied.

From Z2's latest flight schedule, it looks like they are pulling out. There are no flights to Naga anymore.

Sana temporary.

^^ I also checked. I looked at the flight schedules and the domestic routes map. Naga is not shown anymore.:(

I really hope it's temporary. Or if Z2 is indeed pulling out, I hope another airline would immediately replace it. If not, either CEB or AirPhils increase their respective flight frequencies to WNP.

yup no more Z2 for both WNP and LGP. virac is retained; masbate (re-)opened. lifeless Z2 counter at the airport this morning. an airport worker mentioned that not too many were patronizing Z2, compared to PALEx and 5J.

was talking with ateneo de naga president fr joel tabora,sj and he asked when i last flew out of naga. he wanted to know if i had availed myself of the FREE WIFI SERVICE at the departure area.

yes there's wifi there now. good development after the place has been airconditioned.

password: ateneodenaga.

yes it's given free by the ateneo de naga university! primum regnum dei! para sa bikol nanggad! :cheers:

it's been on for about a month now.

it's a big help. helps passengers enjoy their waiting time. as the posters say: MAOGMANG PAGBYAHE!

^^ great help indeed! btw, ateneo network po ba yung gamit? so homepage ay ateneo de naga? it's a great way to advertise the school.

WNP airport needs an expansion and upgrade of the facilities! :cry:

^^ great help indeed! btw, ateneo network po ba yung gamit? so homepage ay ateneo de naga? it's a great way to advertise the school.

i think it's the ateneo network. not sure about other details since i wasn't able to try it. my laptop ran out of power that morning. but i noticed many were using the ateneo internet service.

WNP airport needs an expansion and upgrade of the facilities! :cry:

What's new. =(

im at the naga airport waiting for my flight back to manila. the wifi is great, and the aircon units are all working. the airport is really really crowded. sana may laptop desk na sila and sana maayos na rin ang cr. but overall, this is a big improvement. (I went home for the long weekend.)

^^ Don't forget to snap photos of the terminal, both of the interior and exterior! :okay:

indeed WNP airport is getting cramped. the shops and cafeterias on the ground floor lack space. during peak hours there is practically no breathing space.

either expand the terminal bldg or construct another building to house the shops and cafeterias.

^^ Although I think it's far fetched at the moment, I hope it does start immediately. Herak man ning airport ta.:lol:

hindi ba pag iniexpand runway ng Naga pwede na sya mag-accept ng jets?

^^ I doubt. If I'm not mistaken, the extension needs more than half of what it has today.

Villafuerte airport in Caramoan

THE ambitious airport project in Caramoan by Camarines Sur Governor, LRay Villafeurte is very commendable because it will create positive images to the community, further boosting international recognition as Boracay in Luzon.

Tourists from different nations will be more encouraged to come and experience the “nature’s adventure” featuring its 64 paradise islets, the hidden treasure of the town.

It will also create employment opportunities to the local folks and invite balikbayans to resettle or retire home, bringing the dollar pensions from long employment abroad.

Although still on the drawing board amidst resistance from farmers and humble landowners, the airport will make the town a first class community and, who knows, a future city along Lagonoy Gulf. The project’s downside is that that airport will rise in the heart of the town, altering the main arteries of the town that would raze down almost 90 percent of the agricultural land within that area, displacing a large number of farmers, not to mention the toxic air and other pollutants that come with a busy airport and airplanes. Caramoanons wish that the planned airport be relocated to a site that will not eat up the source of livelihood of the town’s farmers. There are two alternative locations: the old Lahuy airport (Pan-Am Gold Mining Company airstrip) in the Treasure Island, and the Balabagan area or Paniman, which is closest to Gota beach. With prudence and humility, we wish the provincial tourism program under the governor’s stewardship will not be oppressive to the town’s residents who have every right to keep their land safe, stable, and peaceful.


- RUDY LACERNA FERRAN laferran2003@yahoo.com LACA USA

source: http://www.bicolmail.com/issue/2010/feb25/xport.html
Letters to the Editor section

^^ They can always build an airport on the mainland and connect it to Caramoan by bridge. If they decide to build it on another island, then the provincial government should come up with a very good and convenient way to link all those islands, plus the mainland, together. Hydrofoils and catamarans, anyone?

^^ For me, it is faster and cheaper to build a road from sabang to caramoan than an airport. Napakalapit lang ng caramoan sa naga. They can utilize naga airport instead.

^^ They can always build an airport on the mainland and connect it to Caramoan by bridge. If they decide to build it on another island, then the provincial government should come up with a very good and convenient way to link all those islands, plus the mainland, together. Hydrofoils and catamarans, anyone?

Caramoan isn't really a group of islands. It's part of mainland CamSur and a few other islands that we know. I'd rather go for winztotoy's suggestion.

^^ For me, it is faster and cheaper to build a road from sabang to caramoan than an airport. Napakalapit lang ng caramoan sa naga. They can utilize naga airport instead.

Expand WNP and build an expressway from Naga to the Caramoan peninsula is better. It will also start the improvement of the road network in that area of CamSur. So far, only central CamSur, which is basically Metro Naga, and western CamSur (1st district) has good roads. Travel time from Naga to Caramoan can be cut from 4 hours or more to maybe two hours should an expressway be built.

http://www.ati.da.gov.ph/bicol/sites/default/files/image/Bicol%20Map2.jpg

By looking at the map above, one can easily say that the Naga-Legazpi route is farther than the Naga-Caramoan route, yet Legazpi is just a little more than an hour from Naga and Caramoan is, as said, four hours or more.

IMO, it's like hitting two birds with one stone. Road infrastructure in the Caramoan peninsula will be better and travel time will be much shorter. Also, with the funds being much cheaper, it can be used to expand or improve WNP's facilities.

Bundok ba yung nkaharang sa Naga to Caramoan kaya you need pa ferry from Guijalo Port to Caramoan

^^ Yes, that's Mount Isarog.:)

^^ aw... kaya pala walang road papunta dun sa map papuntang caramoan... I agree on improving the road connections mas ma-cut yung hours going to caramoan, imagine 4 hours! time consuming and magastos for tourist also not convinient dahil tiring... in trips pa naman nakapa critical ng maximizing of time...

I go for the expansion of the airport of WNP.

^^ Oo. Agree. Expansion of the airport and extension of the runway and upgrading of the facilities!:okay:

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Naga Airport (Filipino: Paliparan ng Naga, Bikol: Palayogan nin Naga) (IATA: WNP, ICAO: RPUN) is an airport serving the general area of Naga City, located in the province of Camarines Sur in the Philippines, as well as the city's metropolitan area. Although the airport is named after Naga, it is actually located in the provincial capital, Pili.

The airport is classified as a Class 1 principal (major domestic) airport by the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, a body of the Department of Transportation and Communications that is responsible for the operations of not only this airport but also of all other airports in the Philippines except the major international airports.

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with the onset of summer and the crowds trooping to cwc and caramoan, WNP terminal must be even more cramped.

flying in WNP mid-morning easter sunday. looking forward to the patches of green from above, hopefully with shades of gold here and there. the surrounding ricefields make a perfect coffeetable book cover. :)

Any updates :cheers:

^^ The update is that there are no updates. :nuts:











Corny pills! :bash:

^^:lol: still waiting :D

^^ Better get comfortable, it'll be a long one. :lol:

I don't know if this article has been posted already in here.

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My CebPac flight to MNL was delayed for two hours!

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She transferred from her Fokker plane to a helicopter:

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Oh, look! It's Air Force .001! :lol:

WE WILL COME TO NAGA SOON AND WILL REQUIRE A CAR TO RENT FOR 4 WEEKS FROM WNP (PILLI) AIRPORT

CAN ANY ONE HELP WITH THE NAMES OF HIRE COMPNY....THANKS

My CebPac flight to MNL was delayed for two hours!

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I'm surprised she is using it. I never seen this before. I wonder why she didnt' use that during the ASIAN meet in Cebu awhile back. I didn't even think that the Philippine goverment own a presidential aircraft. LOL

^^ The plane is only used for domestic trips, and I presume that at the time, the aircraft in question was being repaired. Internationally, the President always charters from PAL.

late afternoon and evening flights to naga from manila effective Sept 10,2010
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MNLWNP 2P263 4:10PM
MNLWNP 2P267 6:20PM

Direct Naga-Cebu flights will start this October :cheers:

begins 22 Oct on AiphilExpress
4 times/ wk MWFS
normal rate: PhP2,200.00 round trip, all-in

Come South, Cam Sur!
CamSur All You Can. :banana::cheers:

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Air Philippines slates inaugural Cebu-Naga-Cebu flight Oct. 21


PILI, Camarines Sur – Arrangements have been finalized and all kinks ironed out, Air Philippines will start its Cebu-Naga Cebu route flights starting Tuesday, October 21 [sic, actually Friday, Oct 22].

This was announced by Gov. LRay Villafuerte in a recent interview in the wake of the highly successful staging of the Summit Water CamSur Marathon 2010 that all but confirmed and highlighted the hefty share the province is contributing to national tourism development and the need to fortify travel access to the province.

CamSur is currently the most visited destination as the country’s leading tourism destination in terms of foreign and domestic arrivals largely resulting from its innovative tourism program founded on eco-tourism and extreme sports and is all the more expected to sustain its leadership in this field by the Department of Tourism (DoT).

Immediate feedback after the spectacular staging of the recent marathon indicate that participation in its sequel next year could very easily be double number of runners this year that came to twenty thousand runners.

Air Philippines has reportedly made the necessary test flights, albeit with no passengers, and confirmed it will launch its inaugural flight on October 21 leaving Cebu at 10:00 o’clock A.M., arriving at Naga Airport at 11:00 o’clock, then taking off for the return flight at 11:20 o’clock AM and back at Cebu by 12:20 o’clock PM.

Flights are initially scheduled four times a week (Monday,Wednesday, Friday and Saturday) and would eventually be expanded to a daily schedule when the need arises. CamSur to Cebu is roughly equidistance with CamSur to Manila and would thus be similarly accessible to international flight connections.

Many other airlines have been negotiating to expand operations to CamSur, even proposing airbus flights to accommodate more travelers, but the constraining factor has consistently been the quality and size of the sole local airport, which Gov. Villafuerte has given priority concern ever since he conceptualized the comprehensive tourism development blueprint of CamSur.

One complicating factor is the province of Albay being equally keen on being the site of the proposed Southern Luzon International Airport which could readily use up national funds for air travel modernization and facility build-up in this sector.

This entry of Air Philippines’ Cebu-Naga-Cebu connection underscore the gigantic leap of the volume of travel to Camarines Sur. When there were only three flight per week a few years back before tourism activities in the province spiraled, there would now be total of eight flights per day landing at and taking off from CamSur, Gov. Villafuerte pointed out. GBClaveria/MMEC

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repost from CamSur thread

CamSur remains in DOT priority list

PILI, Camarines Sur – Even as the national government is set on focusing tourism projects among the numerous Visayan islands based on a preconceived development blueprint, the province of CamSur will remain a major component of the Department of Tourism’s (DoT) tourism development program.

This was announced by DoT Secretary Alberto Lim during his visit to the province Sunday, Sept. 12.

In citing Governor LRay Villafuerte’s very successful tourism promotion initiatives, Lim underscored that the DoT cannot simply ignore the leading role of CamSur with its sports tourism and eco-tourism attractions as well as those of other Bicol provinces like Albay with its Mayon Volcano and Sorsogon with its butanding,

In just a few years after Governor Villafuerte launched his innovative tourism projects, CamSur’s local and global popularity has meteorically risen such that it is currently the most visited destination in the country, even eclipsing other long-established venues like Boracay, Cebu, Subic, Davao, Bohol and Palawan.

To demonstrate CamSur’s heightened popularity, when there used to be only three arrival and departure flights to and from the province each week, there are currently seven every day.

To further fortify CamSur’s inclusion into the Visayas cluster development thrust, Governor Villafuerte also announced that he is currently arranging Boracay-Naga-Boracay and Cebu-Naga-Cebu connections with the airlines.


Very well impressed by his first-hand view of CamSur’s tourism initiatives, Lim was further awed when he went to the town of Magarao to inaugurate the Gayon Bikol Wellness Center of the local hilots (bonesetters/physical therapists) whose clientele come from far and wide.

Governor Villafuerte has committed to help promote Magarao as the hilot capital of the Philippines if not of the world. - GBCLAVERIA

http://www.bikolreporter.webs.com/#moreheadlines

^^love to read news like that :okay:

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FINALLY SOME IMPROVEMENTS! But does this mean that in the short to medium term, there are no plans for lengthening/re-orienting + lengthening the runway? In other words, are we going to be stuck to the turbo props for sometime?

The good thing though is that flight cancellations or turn-arounds due to weather or heavy cloud cover will be less frequent.

FINALLY SOME IMPROVEMENTS! But does this mean that in the short to medium term, there are no plans for lengthening/re-orienting + lengthening the runway? In other words, are we going to be stuck to the turbo props for sometime?

The good thing though is that flight cancellations or turn-arounds due to weather or heavy cloud cover will be less frequent.
Nice pic on the q400!; an all-turboprop operation for Naga is not bad in the the light that there's more frequencies to choose from specially if one is on a business or official trip on the short hop from manila. By the way, the q400 already cruises close to that of a jet of its equivalent capacity and they have been proven to be cost efficient than the ATR's. Too bad, while the runway is already lighted and having the VOR/DME as a compliment; it is just constrained to handle even the A319's commercially.

^^WNP's runway is short but Air Philippines used to fly there using B737.. is it possible for A319's to fly there now? I think they added the runway length already to 1.4K.

^^WNP's runway is short but Air Philippines used to fly there using B737.. is it possible for A319's to fly there now? I think they added the runway length already to 1.4K.
Yes Airphils did fly their 737 classics and PAL with their 737-300's yet they have to hit their mark early on the runway otherwise they would abort. As far as I know, there were a lot of hit and miss in the approaches. Well, the bigger capacity A319's need at least 1800m to land and take-off comfortably(plus weight restrictions), that is in civil aviation context in safe commercial operations.Of course it can still land and take-off on Naga's present but half the load maybe and with less margin of error. That's where economics would tell you it is not viable.

Nice pic on the q400!; an all-turboprop operation for Naga is not bad in the the light that there's more frequencies to choose from specially if one is on a business or official trip on the short hop from manila. By the way, the q400 already cruises close to that of a jet of its equivalent capacity and they have been proven to be cost efficient than the ATR's. Too bad, while the runway is already lighted and having the VOR/DME as a compliment; it is just constrained to handle even the A319's commercially.

Yes, i do agree, but I also think that our fares could have lower baselines if they used a319's or a320's. If there are no weight restrictions. So we go back to the lengthening of the runway--or reorienting + lengthening it. haha

Yes, i do agree, but I also think that our fares could have lower baselines if they used a319's or a320's. If there are no weight restrictions. So we go back to the lengthening of the runway--or reorienting + lengthening it. haha
Worthy plans indeed but the new Bicol Airport(international standard) is in the works. That will decide the fate of Naga and Legazpi.

^^Naga won't be closed but Legazpi is. The latter's airport site will be turned into a commercial area.

Nice pic on the q400!; an all-turboprop operation for Naga is not bad in the the light that there's more frequencies to choose from specially if one is on a business or official trip on the short hop from manila. By the way, the q400 already cruises close to that of a jet of its equivalent capacity and they have been proven to be cost efficient than the ATR's. Too bad, while the runway is already lighted and having the VOR/DME as a compliment; it is just constrained to handle even the A319's commercially.

indeed not bad. with flights as arriving in WNP at 7AM, and leaving WNP as late as 5:30PM, short hops are made easy.

^^Naga won't be closed but Legazpi is. The latter's airport site will be turned into a commercial area.

with camsur leading among the bikol provinces in tourist arrivals (by a wide, wide margin at that) WNP airport even has all the reasons to stay and expand.

indeed not bad. with flights as arriving in WNP at 7AM, and leaving WNP as late as 5:30PM, short hops are made easy.



with camsur leading among the bikol provinces in tourist arrivals (by a wide, wide margin at that) WNP airport even has all the reasons to stay and expand.

well, in that case you can be content having Naga as a busy turbo-prop airport just like that of Caticlan, the jump-off to Boracay. Unfortunately it's location and alignment with surrounding terrain restricts its extension. If it was possible, that could have happened already as CAAP knows the airports whose traffic traffic would warrant an immediate expansion and extension just like that with Pagadian, Ozamiz and Dipolog, airports who are in the same category as Naga.

well, in that case you can be content having Naga as a busy turbo-prop airport just like that of Caticlan, the jump-off to Boracay. Unfortunately it's location and alignment with surrounding terrain restricts its extension. If it was possible, that could have happened already as CAAP knows the airports whose traffic traffic would warrant an immediate expansion and extension just like that with Pagadian, Ozamiz and Dipolog, airports who are in the same category as Naga.

afaik during pres erap's time there was already an approved proposal to build a bigger, wider runway, not extending the present runway but connecting to it in a perpendicular way.

negotiations with the owners of the land (rice fields) weren't successful, unfortunately.

so, yes, we will have to make do with the present setup for now. :)

afaik during pres erap's time there was already an approved proposal to build a bigger, wider runway, not extending the present runway but connecting to it in a perpendicular way. negotiations with the owners of the land (rice fields) weren't successful, unfortunately. so, yes, we will have to make do with the present setup for now. :) sorry to say but i doubt that proposal being official, and knowing erap and his questionable projects. Dotc would published that program but i haven't read one. Besides, perpendicular runways do not just come like an after thought because the topoghraphy doesnt change, not unless its part of a master plan. Nice to see lots of prop movements though! More interesting for planespotters!

Too bad, while the runway is already lighted and having the VOR/DME as a compliment; it is just constrained to handle even the A319's commercially.

What does it a VOR/DME do anyway? Please enlighten me.:)

with camsur leading among the bikol provinces in tourist arrivals (by a wide, wide margin at that) WNP airport even has all the reasons to stay and expand.

No-brainer Father. I just hope at some point they consider expanding Naga as WNP is in dire need of it not like the LGP which can already accommodate wide-bodied planes.

What does it a VOR/DME do anyway? Please enlighten me.:)



No-brainer Father. I just hope at some point they consider expanding Naga as WNP is in dire need of it not like the LGP which can already accommodate wide-bodied planes.

VOR-very high frequency omni directional range; its a navigational aid for pilots to fix their bearings.
DME-distance measuring equipment, so pilots know how far they are from the airport.

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^^ tour of WNP, hakz! :) a ticketing facility (for all airlines) recently opened in the building adjacent to the terminal bldg- what used to be occupied by the now-defunct Asian Spirit.

^^can anybody post an aerial view of naga airport?...

Caramoan isn't really a group of islands. It's part of mainland CamSur and a few other islands that we know. I'd rather go for winztotoy's suggestion.



Expand WNP and build an expressway from Naga to the Caramoan peninsula is better. It will also start the improvement of the road network in that area of CamSur. So far, only central CamSur, which is basically Metro Naga, and western CamSur (1st district) has good roads. Travel time from Naga to Caramoan can be cut from 4 hours or more to maybe two hours should an expressway be built.

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By looking at the map above, one can easily say that the Naga-Legazpi route is farther than the Naga-Caramoan route, yet Legazpi is just a little more than an hour from Naga and Caramoan is, as said, four hours or more.

IMO, it's like hitting two birds with one stone. Road infrastructure in the Caramoan peninsula will be better and travel time will be much shorter. Also, with the funds being much cheaper, it can be used to expand or improve WNP's facilities.

i-utilize nlng nila ang Virac airport tpos gawa ng tulay papunta caramoan o kaya roro port.

^^can anybody post an aerial view of naga airport?...

paging, hakz et alii, for an aerial pic of WNP...

daghang salamat sa pagbisita nimo dinhi, bai (i suppose, bai man ka kay "cebuboi" and imong ngan :-) gagmay ra ang among airport and it will come out really cute when compared to much, much bigger Mactan. :banana:

it's surrounded by ricefields so you always get a green welcome- unless there's typhoon or heavy rain.

come visit camsur/ naga soon. Airphil's CEB-WNP (naga) flies 4x/ week at noon from mactan. took this flight last week, accompanied by a well-received tasty, crackling, sinful CnT lechon gikan pa sa guadalupe.

^^wala pa rin akong makuhang aerial pics of Naga airport :D

^^ marhay kayan, hakz, maglayog na lang ano :-) fly to cebu so you can take the aerial pic at the same time.

great view of lake bato, CWC, the coconut groves and fields, fields, fields, too.

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