If you were the mayor of your city (with a huge budget offcourse!), what changes would you bring to your city?

1) City planning (Zoning)
2) Transport
3) Safety
4) Recreation
...Add any other categories

In Cape Town
1)- Because the current CBD has no room for expansion, I'd create a new
financial CBD in Goodwood- central node on/near 3 national roads. No
height restrictions would apply here.
- The current centre would become more of the cultural centre with more
museums, plazas, arenas & grand boulevards
-The coast along Koeberg & Milnerton would be opened up with a beach
Road running up the coast connecting with Blouberg. The lowrise
residential areas up to Dolphin Beach be cleared for high rise
developments- along the lines of Strand Beach Road.
- Densify the whole city. Clear Delft, large parts of Khayelitsha & squatter
areas especially those along the highways; replace with green belts.
Build commie-style blocks, with parks, recreation & business areas across
the metropole, in order to spread development. (This is very successful
in the new U-City redevelopments across Korea)

http://photoimg.enjoyjapan.naver.com/view/enjoybbs/viewphoto/pvillage/36000/20060521114820626954329600.jpg

2) Build an underground to open up the city that covers the whole metropole.
Remove the passover at Roggebaai. Modernize all stations. Tram system in
the historic centre. A clean & efficient bus system that would naturally kill
the mini-taxi industry. Build a skyrail/monorail along the new Beach Road
strecting up the north Table bay coast, and one along the Atlantic Coast
from Mouille Point to Campsbay.
A coastal road linking Muizenberg with Strand.

3) Build sattelite police stations in neighbourhoods across the city. More
visible policing & patrol. Rotate station staff to combat corruption. Install
more CCTV Regulate the sex industry with a red light district. Instate
"mounties" to patrol the recreation spots across the peninsula. Allow alcohol
to be sold by every supermarket & chain store at any time; this will kill
the shebeen trade.

5) More parks with open air gyms; Pedestrianised streets in the city.
Fountains, fountains, fountains; treelined boulevards. Beach Promende
along the Milnerton coast with water parks. Yacht harbour & marinas along
this coast as well. A Jetty with fairground at Seapoint. Several around the
coast. Redevelop Macassar Beach into a Holiday & Casino Resort. A Lost
Island Resort on Robben Island (ala Atlantis in Caribbean)
Upgrade the Good Hope Centre into an iconic Concert Hall.

Biker, nice topic but this kind of topics are meant for the shebeen section.

Shebeen threads tend to disappear after awhile (still just one page in Shebeen, eventhough lots had been discussed there, and lost). Besides, this section is about urban discussion, right, or not?

^^ If so then it would be better if we discuss it under our on section. I know we tend to ignore the Shebeen section but we also need to have proper control and run things accordingly. If we allow this kind of threads here, we gonna have to allow everything to comes to a person's mind to be posted in this sectrion.

^^ i personally think this is suited to here as it is about urban development. The Shebeen is for off topic issues (sport, culture, crime/politics, topical issues).

Great thread idea i must say

This doesn't look like an off-topic issue. I understand Pule's concern though.

Very interesting topic.. could get quite detailed I think.

^^ i personally think this is suited to here as it is about urban development. The Shebeen is for off topic issues (sport, culture, crime/politics, topical issues).

Great thread idea i must say

I once created a thread which was addressing almost thye same thing but mine was triggered by the inefficiency of the Durban Metro and I asked everybody to outlined what they don't like about their City for example, the well known filthy state of Durbs CBD and it was moved.

May be its just me and my understanding.

Guys I think the reason threads are "disappearing" is because by default an option is activated that only shows threads from the past <insert time space here>. To search for older threads there should be a drop-down menu near the bottom left of the screen. Just set the time limit to "Unlimited" or something along those lines.

Just a few ideas/things:

1. Rethink Robben Island: making it more attractive and accessible
2. Wingfield Sports Precinct: Link century city, ysterplaat airport and the wingfield military base to create a major residential, business and culture park amongst a major sports precinct.
3. Underground rail to the airport and key Cape Town locations.
4. Reconnect: the city with the harbour by removing the highways and creating piers. Create a mini Valencia Sailing vibe around the yacht club. Cruise terminals galore with some linked to the third and fourth expansion of the CTICC
5. Declare a national state of emergency in our high crime townships. Includes air patrols, army tanks, visible policing and help from Interpol. It is essentially a war zone
6. Limit any further shack towns from developing. Im not a fan of handing out free housing so another solution would need to be found.
7. Develop resorts around the Gordons Bay, Muizenberg, Strand area
8. Major wind, solar, hydro power projects.
9. Potential new CBD's around the new film studios and a creating a major industrial node around the West Coast areas e.g. oil etc
10. Relax the height limit to 250m in the CBD for 5 years and then reduce to 200m.
11. Giant factories to create employment by relaxing the min wage.
12. GREEN all of Cape Town to match greener areas such as Rondebosch, Newlands etc.
13. extend the CBD to culemborg and reconnect entire Culemborg area with the harbour by removing some of the light industries in Paarden Island to other areas. Including an urban park stretching from Hartleyvale Hockey stadium to the city along the Culemborg route.
14. A R12 billion Cape Town Central station upgrade by Calatrava although I would prefer Coop Himmelbau or Gehry to design it. The development should include two towers and make maximum use of natural light
15. Cultural Centre at Athlone towers..e.g. Tate
16. Upgrade existing Olympic standard facilties and build new Olympic standard facilities with the a low capacity, with a temporary expansion possible.

Hehe, it would have no function and would never work, but turning Robben island into one pile of extremely tall skyscrapers with bridges linking it to the CBD and Blouberg. I can dream :P

Briker and Mo Rush,

I really like your ideas. On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think each of your ideas would be realised between now and, let's say, 2020?

If I were the mayor in Cape Town, I would dissolve the multi-party government and form a collective leadership structure based on an exco that would include all the main parties: DA, ANC, ID. This would end the political stalemate that has plagued governance in the Western Cape for the last 10 years. I would go the same for provincial government although it seems the ANC is doing something about that with Lynne Browne as premier. But I would send Helen Zille packing as she cannot do two jobs: be the mayor while also being opposition leader also. Moreover I think the executive leadership of the city should better reflect the demographics in the city as the current DA-led city leadership is dominated by whites in the posts of mayor, executive mayor, and speaker posts. I would appoint a brown person to lead the city as mayor of the city as a way of bridging the divides in the city that the DA-led coalition and previously the ANC and before that the NP failed to do after they took power. The political mess is the biggest thing holding up development in Cape Town.

Why does race ALWAYS have to come into play? People complain about it yet continually make it an issue. I think Helen is the best thing that has happened to this city in a long time.

Why does race ALWAYS have to come into play? People complain about it yet continually make it an issue. I think Helen is the best thing that has happened to this city in a long time.

I'm not disputing that fact. She has done far better than her ANC predecessor. But her party still is largely white and represents the rich and priviledged. Because of this and the demographics in SA the DA cannot go above 10% of the vote. It also makes the city look like a white enclave to the rest of the country and is neither realistic to expect this to continue for long nor is it sustainable in the long run. It would be sad if the rest of SA were to shun and make the Cape into a polecat or pariah. That would be bad as far as investment is concerned and from an economic standpoint. I would preferably like to see someone like Patricia de Lille in charge of either Cape Town or the Western Cape. I applaud her efforts to try and bridge the divide that has for too long blighted the Cape, which is a beautiful part of SA. So I see no future in Helen Zille nor in the DA and would be more than happy to see the ID come to power in the Western Cape in next year's general election.

Maybe people will start waking up to the fact that a DA-led country won't necessarily be such a bad thing when they see just how well the Cape is doing for itself under their leadership.

Go DA! ID is not reliable, it switches its stances whenever it benefits it. Flip floppin! One day it will say its against height restrictions, the next day it will say its for it if it gets something out of it. That's why ID councillors had the highest rate of floor crossing... I don't want want to vote for a party for its values and then they change them after tsk tsk tsk. Yesterday they were with ANC today they are with the DA. What will they do tomorrow? Zuma? lol

Btw I heard that, although most of the DA's leadership is white (although that is changing), ever since the 2004 elections non-whites surpassed the whites as the majority support of the DA, even though they might still be the largest racial group. I also heard non-white membership growth is surpassing the growth of white membership. But as Lydon said, WHY DOES RACE MATTER? The DA has done a great job in Cape Town and not becuase its mayor is white. Thats stupid! Its becuase the DA is competent.

Btw I heard that, although most of the DA's leadership is white (although that is changing), ever since the 2004 elections non-whites surpassed the whites as the majority support of the DA, even though they might still be the largest racial group. I also heard non-white membership growth is surpassing the growth of white membership. But as Lydon said, WHY DOES RACE MATTER? The DA has done a great job in Cape Town and not becuase its mayor is white. Thats stupid! Its becuase the DA is competent.

The DA won the SRC elections yesterday for the first time in NEVER.

Btw I heard that, although most of the DA's leadership is white (although that is changing), ever since the 2004 elections non-whites surpassed the whites as the majority support of the DA, even though they might still be the largest racial group. I also heard non-white membership growth is surpassing the growth of white membership. But as Lydon said, WHY DOES RACE MATTER? The DA has done a great job in Cape Town and not becuase its mayor is white. Thats stupid! Its becuase the DA is competent.

Even if the DA has more brown members than white it is still a white party with mostly white faces at the top. The DA caters to former NP members who defected when the NP was swallowed up by the ANC

Go DA! ID is not reliable, it switches its stances whenever it benefits it. Flip floppin! One day it will say its against height restrictions, the next day it will say its for it if it gets something out of it. That's why ID councillors had the highest rate of floor crossing... I don't want want to vote for a party for its values and then they change them after tsk tsk tsk. Yesterday they were with ANC today they are with the DA. What will they do tomorrow? Zuma? lol

Unlike the DA, Patricia and her party are patriotic to the country. The ID doesn't shoot down the country everytime they disagree with ANC policy like the DA does with it's whingeing about everything that is wrong and failing in SA. Unlike the DA, the ID is constructive in it's criticism of the way things are done in SA. What I don't like about Helen Zille is she is so negative and gloomy about SA and it's future. A perfect example is when Zille said we were going in a recession during the blackouts earlier this year. Her shoot-from-the-hip comments only fueled negative sentiments about SA and frightened foreign investors. That is not what a credible opposition does in a country like SA. What is needed is not bashing SA. What is needed is problem solving solutions that are constructive and in the country's best interest. I think Patricia de Lille is right on the ball and the ID offers the best hope of becoming a formidable opposition to the ANC as Patricia has struggle credentials (when she led the PAC during apartheid) and can take them on without being dismissed as a racist like the DA.

The DA won the SRC elections yesterday for the first time in NEVER.

So what. UCT is not demographically representative of the city as most Capetonians cannot near afford to enroll.

So what. UCT is not demographically representative of the city as most Capetonians cannot near afford to enroll.

Its quite a breakthrough. Don't think people thought it was possible. With ANC and SASCO members running after people shoving ballots in our faces I thought It would be same old same old.

On the Helen Zille issue, Im not getting into a debate about that. I accept your views.

Even if the DA has more brown members than white it is still a white party with mostly white faces at the top. The DA caters to former NP members who defected when the NP was swallowed up by the ANC

As usual, you're making race an issue where its not. What exactly is your problem?

So what. UCT is not demographically representative of the city as most Capetonians cannot near afford to enroll.

So what? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out...regardless of the fact of who it represents, they have won it for the first time, meaning more people are agreeing with their views.

As usual, you're making race an issue where its not. What exactly is your problem?

I'm only stating a fact. Remember it was the DA and NNP which begged the ANC to allow the disgraceful floor crossing when they could not work together in the Western Cape. We have a short memory don't we about these things. The ANC did had the sense recently to scrap floor crossing but that was after Zuma toppled Mbeki.

I'm only stating a fact. Remember it was the DA and NNP which begged the ANC to allow the disgraceful floor crossing when they could not work together in the Western Cape. We have a short memory don't we about these things. The ANC did had the sense recently to scrap floor crossing but that was after Zuma toppled Mbeki.

Wtf does that have to do with the fact that you're constantly drumming the fact that the DA has a large number of white members? This wouldn't matter to anyone other than someone who has an issue with race.

Wtf does that have to do with the fact that you're constantly drumming the fact that the DA has a large number of white members? This wouldn't matter to anyone other than someone who has an issue with race.

No but apartheid did happen in this country and the reality is that the DA is a party that protects the interests of those who benefited from that policy despite what Helen Zille or Tony Leon have to say. The DA was never part of the process of national liberation in this country and would never be viewed by the broader society as a credible representative of the interests of the poor and working classes who were oppressed.

No but apartheid did happen in this country and the reality is that the DA is a party that protects the interests of those who benefited from that policy despite what Helen Zille or Tony Leon have to say. The DA was never part of the process of national liberation in this country and would never be viewed by the broader society as a credible representative of the interests of the poor and working classes who were oppressed.

They were never part of the process of national liberation because they were never allowed to be.

You may perceive them to be protecting the interests of those who benefited from Apartheid, but if that includes running the place like it should be run then by all means they can go ahead.

You guys are screwing up this thread big time. Screw who the damn mayor is, and give your own proposals. There are many political threads all over the place. Keep it out of here, PLEASE!

Yes, bring the discussion elsewhere. It isn't supposed to be in this thread.

LOL :D

Id remove height restriction from Centurion as a start

The DA won the SRC elections yesterday for the first time in NEVER.

Interestingly the 2 candidates with the most votes were both independent.

Interestingly the 2 candidates with the most votes were both independent.

Case in point.

On topic plz ;)

sorry. I would make a canal across the cape flats from one ocean to the pther... just for kicks (plus ferries are cool).

Well I can only speak for Cape Town ......

1. Pedestrianise Adderley Street from Rhodes Place up-to and including the train station.

2. Introduce a tram system between Rhodes Place (cathedral Junction), down Adderley Street to the train station (with a major hub where you can transfer from the train onto the tram) onto The CTICC (Convention Square) and all the way to the Waterfront (with an underground station at the V&A shopping centre). .... CT train station will be sunk and turned into an underground station - very muck like Auckland's Britomart train station. The area above that will be turned into a huge park which will encompass The Castle.

3. Green the entire Parade Square (can't remember what it is called - the square in front of the City Hall) and build an iconic library there (along the lines of Frank Gehry's Bilbao Guggenheim but even more cutting edge - very futuristic)

4. Remove all hawkers from the sidewalks and build 2 sophisticated stalls per block - no more corrugated iron/African style kiosks ..... Cape Town is an International city and should be just that) .... refer to the pictures posted below. I would also create a huge indoor market for the rest of the hawkers along the lines of the markets in Melbourne ....

5. Greenmarket Square will no longer consist of mis-matched stalls ... uniformity is key (refer to picture posted below) and the market will only operate on sunday (which will bring life to the city on sundays). As for the rest of the week, I will install a glass cafe in the centre of the square and fill it with the creme-de-la-creme of cafe society .. the place to be seen. No more tacky hairdressers etc. All the shops must be high end boutiques - GET THEM OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTRES and into THE CITY (Greenmarket Square - THE place for high street shopping ... just as famous as Bond Street in London or Rodeo Drive in LA).

6. BAN faux Georgian/Tuscan/Neo Classical architecture forever ! The 21st Century doesn't need to recreate history :)

7. DEMOLISH that motorway on the foreshore and sink it below ground. I will create a huge boulevard there lined with cafes and restaurants, tourist kiosks etc. and open it up to be a part of the port. Included will be a a stunning cruise liner terminal where the ship arrives straight in the heart of the city .... ALSO, include a ferry terminal with links to Robben Island, Blouberg Strand, Big Bay, Mouille Point, Sea Point, Camps Bay and Hout Bay (refer to pic below)

8. I would also put a stop to the creation of big shopping centres (lifeless, artificial environments that kill the soul) ... small regional centres will be allowed but if shops want to expand, grow etc. they need to look for viable options in the city centre - first and foremost. If it isn't available, it can be developed. No excuse !!

9. More public art, as much as possible ... on every bare wall, on every prominent corner etc. It will be compulsory that every new development/upgrade/refurbishment must include some form of public art or else the consent will be declined.

10. An International competition will be launched for a huge casino/entertainment complex at Culembourg .... an opportunity for starchitects to make their mark. Very much like Crown Casino in Melbourne.

11. Turn the little side streets into lanes (refer to the pics posted below)

Oh my word, I have so many ideas, I can go on forever and ever :lol: .... photographs best describe what I am trying to achieve ... enjoy the tour.


As mentioned above:

STALL FOR HAWKERS: (limited to 2 per city block) ...

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/93467834.jpg



GREENMARKET SQUARE:

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/73551514.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/86313731.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/100243468.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/100243796.jpg



FERRY TERMINAL & OCEAN LINER TERMINAL:

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/73429780.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/76685835.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/75517637.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/76408191.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92275704.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92308447.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92375005.jpg



LANES:

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/75663399.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92051319.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92051449.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92051518.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/enigma35/image/92667574.jpg

Please do go on forever, if it was up to me I would approve all of your ideas. Except maybe for points 6 and 8. Regarding point 6, what do you have against the mentioned architecture?

Well I can only speak for Cape Town ......

1. Pedestrianise Adderley Street from Rhodes Place up-to and including the train station.

2. Introduce a tram system between Rhodes Place (cathedral Junction), down Adderley Street to the train station (with a major hub where you can transfer from the train onto the tram) onto The CTICC (Convention Square) and all the way to the Waterfront (with an underground station at the V&A shopping centre). .... CT train station will be sunk and turned into an underground station - very muck like Auckland's Britomart train station. The area above that will be turned into a huge park which will encompass The Castle.

3. Green the entire Parade Square (can't remember what it is called - the square in front of the City Hall) and build an iconic library there (along the lines of Frank Gehry's Bilbao Guggenheim but even more cutting edge - very futuristic)

4. Remove all hawkers from the sidewalks and build 2 sophisticated stalls per block - no more corrugated iron/African style kiosks ..... Cape Town is an International city and should be just that) .... refer to the pictures posted below. I would also create a huge indoor market for the rest of the hawkers along the lines of the markets in Melbourne ....

5. Greenmarket Square will no longer consist of mis-matched stalls ... uniformity is key (refer to picture posted below) and the market will only operate on sunday (which will bring life to the city on sundays). As for the rest of the week, I will install a glass cafe in the centre of the square and fill it with the creme-de-la-creme of cafe society .. the place to be seen. No more tacky hairdressers etc. All the shops must be high end boutiques - GET THEM OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTRES and into THE CITY (Greenmarket Square - THE place for high street shopping ... just as famous as Bond Street in London or Rodeo Drive in LA).

6. BAN Georgian/Tuscan/Neo Classical architecture forever !

7. DEMOLISH that motorway on the foreshore and sink it below ground. I will create a huge boulevard there lined with cafes and restaurants, tourist kiosks etc. and open it up to be a part of the port. Included will be a a stunning cruise liner terminal where the ship arrives straight in the heart of the city .... ALSO, include a ferry terminal with links to Robben Island, Blouberg Strand, Big Bay, Mouille Point, Sea Point, Camps Bay and Hout Bay (refer to pic below)

8. I would also put a stop to the creation of big shopping centres (lifeless, artificial environments that kill the soul) ... small regional centres will be allowed but if shops want to expand, grow etc. they need to look for viable options in the city centre - first and foremost. If it isn't available, it can be developed. No excuse !!

9. More public art, as much as possible ... on every bare wall, on every prominent corner etc. It will be compulsory that every new development/upgrade/refurbishment must include some form of public art or else the consent will be declined.

10. An International competition will be launched for a huge casino/entertainment complex at Culembourg .... an opportunity for starchitects to make their mark. Very much like Crown Casino in Melbourne.

11. Turn the little side streets into lanes (refer to the pics posted below)

Oh my word, I have so many ideas, I can go on forever and ever :lol: .... photographs best describe what I am trying to achieve ... enjoy the tour.




1. Tram proposed back in 2002 and plan exists. Underground station proposal being worked on see www.dhk.co.za

10. ALready happened and failed.

Also cruise terminal plans proposed earlier this year and the removal of the highway is also being put forward by Cape Town Partnership.

Please continue.

Please do go on forever, if it was up to me I would approve all of your ideas. Except maybe for points 6 and 8. Regarding point 6, what do you have against the mentioned architecture?

Thank you ;)

I have nothing against the original styles - they are fantastic. But to still build them in the 21st Century is taking it too far. It gives me the impression that the architect is too lazy to actually come up with something creative :) It looks cheap, tacky and out of place. Save it for the theme parks.

As for shopping centres, Cape Town has more than it actually needs. The city centre could do with more high end stores and a bigger variety . Small regional centres are good and very convenient but South African cities need to embrace high street shopping again ... variety is the spice of life and shopping with the sun on your face and the buzz of the city makes it far more exciting than an artificial environment.

I go into the city centre everyday if I can and visit a shopping centre probably once a month - if that (in fact, I only go to a shopping centre so that I can enjoy the train ride there :)). I can find every shop in the city centre that you would find in a shopping centre - probably more shops than you would find at a shopping centre. I find it far more stimulating, exciting and vibrant. Tourists also prefer to experience the city centre which is unique ... shopping centres are the same all over the world and can't offer that local flavour/history - the city centre can.

1. Tram proposed back in 2002 and plan exists. Underground station proposal being worked on see www.dhk.co.za

10. ALready happened and failed.

Also cruise terminal plans proposed earlier this year and the removal of the highway is also being put forward by Cape Town Partnership.

Please continue.

1. It will be fantastic if they actually implement the plan
10. We all know why it failed ... corruption and dumb-ass politicians - my plan would be for something iconic and not the traditional kitsch that is so prevalent for these kind of developments.
As for the Cruise terminal, underground train station and motorway .... fannytastic, I hope that it happens and I will cross fingers that it does. Definitely the best option for CT to follow.

In Jozi...

1. Make sure that Metro Police put crime and grime as their number 1 prority and have their memebers scattered thoughout the CBD.
2. I will make sure I get funding to build more taxi holing so as to remove them from the streets.
3. Build taxi stops around the city.
4. Upgrade the old park station and create tourist attarcting resturants etc.
5. Tram.
6.Tram.
7.Tram.
8.Tram...

Ok here I go, with regards to Johannesburg:

1. A name, shame and fire approach to any council employee who does not work in the interest of the people of Johannesburg – includes corruption, incompetence etc.
2. Increase the number of Metro Cops patrolling the streets, parks and public areas on foot and in cars – Crime and grime the number one priority for them. Those found to be corrupt, a name and shame approach with long term prison sentences.
3. Litter: Large fines for those litter and vandalism of public and private property. Litter and cleanliness to be a major priority of the City
4. No more issuing of new building permits outside transport routes (i.e.: Gautrain and BRT. Massive, and I mean MASSIVE tax incentives for building/renovating in the CBD.
5. Increase the role out of the BRT to many other areas.
6. Regulate the Taxi industry properly – proper permits, large fines for breaking traffic laws and proper taxi ranks (like in Rosebank). Any taxi that is found parking illegally (like in empty plots) to be towed away. A limited number of permits to be issued and the highest bidders win them. Similar to that found in New York City and how they control the Taxi industry.
7. The role out of a massive tourism advertising campaign abroad, and the increase of tourism offices/walk in centres in tourist and high populated areas.
8. The role out of a city-wide broadband service that will compete with the likes of Telkom.
9. A Mono-rail: Starting in Rosebank then along Jan Smuts with a stops in Hyde Park, Randburg CBD on towards Fourways with stops in Northgate/the Dome area and ending off at Monte Casino (or something along those lines).
10. Park Station redevelopment.
11. Melville redevelopment.


I think that’s about it for now, will try and think of others.

PS: if i was mayor, I would hire you guys as my advisors. You guys no your stuff! The passion like Pule has for the city, is hard to come across.

Regarding point 8, make that a wifi-connection anywhere in town.

Citywide wifi has been proven not to work in most cases. Almost all of said networks have failed in the US due to lack of demand.

However, the citywide fibre network is currently being rolled out if I'm not mistaken. Durban already has one, Cape Town's should be complete by next year and Pretoria also has a partial fibre network.

with regard to a monorail. Iv always felt that for some reason mono rails are less successful than most other options. Im not sure why but they seem to struggle to attract travellers.(Im talking form personal observations not fact here

^^ many folks have told me the same here mate, but i just think they look so cool. They really make a city look 'modern'. I think if we had one here, it would be successful, i for one would def. take it if i lived in say hyde park and wanted to shop in rosebank.

Monorail would be great but Rea Vaya will surver the purpose

What about this in the CBD, connection Ghandi Square and Newtown via Pritchard Street.

Courtesy of Tounsi

http://www.citadismag.transport.alstom.com/planisphere/tunis1.jpg

http://www.citadismag.transport.alstom.com/planisphere/tunis5.jpg

http://www.citadismag.transport.alstom.com/planisphere/tunis6.jpg

I think monorail will be best connecting Sandton to fourway via Rivonia. That will definately reduce traffic.

I would love a tram in the CBD. Maybe not something so big tho, cuz it can then cause congestion. Rather something small that fits the size of our CBD's and easy to use for short-distances and hop on and off quickly. BUT I guess we first we should resolve our problem: a proper bus system, before looking at anything else for now.

Pule, nice shots, but what city is that mate?

With regards to a tram: I spoke to a gautrain/transport advisor a year or so back about a tram and he said that it will be very very unlikely that we will see a tram anywhere in johannesburg in the near and far future. This was due to the fact that trams are very unflexible compared to busses. They cant be moved very easily if trends change in an area compared to the flexability of busses. This really makes sense to me why one wont be placed anytime soon and why trams where replaced by busses years ago.

My major issue with the type of trams like the above is those damn wires. I find them very messy for a city and they always remind me of some eastern european communist city - hey but thats just me, the guy calling despritly for a monorail.

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k359/Lufcus123/800px-SydneyMonorail1_gobeirne.jpg
^^ in Sydney - look how clean and cool they look (minus the advert)

My major issue with the type of trams like the above is those damn wires. I find them very messy for a city and they always remind me of some eastern european communist city

Lol completely agree

I think I read somewhere (but I might be wrong) that sydney wants to take their mono rail down

Well I can only speak for Cape Town ......


2. Introduce a tram system between Rhodes Place (cathedral Junction), down Adderley Street to the train station (with a major hub where you can transfer from the train onto the tram) onto The CTICC (Convention Square) and all the way to the Waterfront (with an underground station at the V&A shopping centre). .... CT train station will be sunk and turned into an underground station - very muck like Auckland's Britomart train station. The area above that will be turned into a huge park which will encompass The Castle.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/Cape%20Town%202010%20Transport/2.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/Cape%20Town%202010%20Transport/3-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/Cape%20Town%202010%20Transport/4-2.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/Cape%20Town%202010%20Transport/5-3.jpg

Pule, nice shots, but what city is that mate?

With regards to a tram: I spoke to a gautrain/transport advisor a year or so back about a tram and he said that it will be very very unlikely that we will see a tram anywhere in johannesburg in the near and far future. This was due to the fact that trams are very unflexible compared to busses. They cant be moved very easily if trends change in an area compared to the flexability of busses. This really makes sense to me why one wont be placed anytime soon and why trams where replaced by busses years ago.

My major issue with the type of trams like the above is those damn wires. I find them very messy for a city and they always remind me of some eastern european communist city - hey but thats just me, the guy calling despritly for a monorail.

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k359/Lufcus123/800px-SydneyMonorail1_gobeirne.jpg
^^ in Sydney - look how clean and cool they look (minus the advert)

What you saying makes sense bro, especially in regards to change of trends. By the way those are from Tunis in Tunisia.

I saw those monorails in sydney, very modern. We rode on one, it was amazing:)

If I was a Mayor at this stage, I would make sure that JMPD is present at every exit of Alexandra to stop the shitty taxis from coming to Sandton. They so disgusting.