A preservation delight :(

http://i.pbase.com/v3/28/209028/1/44585333.P1010002.JPG

I actually got a photo of this bridge in 1999. Sadly it has apparently since disappeared (stolen for metal money????).

These photos were apparently taken in 2003 and 2006, so the bridge went AWOL between these years.

http://k41.pbase.com/u37/boyyniguez/upload/23834446.PICT1170.JPG

http://i.pbase.com/g6/28/209028/2/71938448.jcAIa9P0.jpg

Shall we use 3ft6 or metre gauge?
I know, lets just use both :lol:

http://k53.pbase.com/u37/boyyniguez/upload/23834434.PICT1141.JPG

Thanks you for more of your interesting shots.

Seems that those twin towers (appartments in the distance) appear in nearly all peoples shots at Tayuman :)


Is that President Gloria in the Caloocan shot :lol:

Brad

^^ Good Morning.... ubo! ubo! ubo! Nice Station at Tayuman.. And also the tracks were cleaned... I cant' imagine how nice our Southrail is gonna be next year....

i saw earlier this morning that some parts of the island where the rails going to the port were already been asphalted.I dont know when this happened, some vendors are now occupying the area..

^^ No need to worry.. The portline may be built elevated.. Can only occupies the size of a big pier say 2meters in diameter..

^^ 100% percent the bottom line surfaced. I think this is the true minds of the Filipinos, very much negative with this PNR. I have a lot of friends and sometimes I talked with them the about the railway projects, but none of them remarked, I mean at least any word lamenting the fact that they also travel by bus and still complaining that it takes too long to get there. They have this sort of very little trust that the PNR could get back again with faster and more realiable trains...

my friends and also my classmates told me like that, they say its mabaho, dirty, ugly, many squatters, many holduppers, awful smell, etc etc.very negative tsk tsk. They told me why PNR u choose to be ur thesis and y u r riding it.. i said to them because this needs attention , people like us must learn our history and not by just forgetting it..i also said that it is much cheaper than any other transpo, if u think about the time (no traffic only stop at stations) and the price of the train fee,OMG!! everything will going to change..

Shall we use 3ft6 or metre gauge?
I know, lets just use both :lol:

http://k53.pbase.com/u37/boyyniguez/upload/23834434.PICT1141.JPG

^^ It doesn't matter if we use the metre gauge like those being used in Thailand, Malaysia, and Vietnam.. Actually the DMU's there afterall can run at 120km/h specially if the line is well maintained like the double track Rawang to Ipoh of KTM.. But personally, I like this 3'6" cape gauge. It's awesome to me cause it really doesn't look too narrow but can still loaded with those on the standard gauges. One thing advantage of this is that as of this moment, the Philippines is yet to learn to fabricate his own coaches and locomotives compared to Malaysia and Thailand and even Vietnam. These countries have produced already numerous and luxurious cars in their own operation. In the Philippines, most of our cars are imported and secon handed mainly from our famous donor, JAPAN... Another big advantage of this is that, Japan is continously improving it's rolling stocks and recently released this Hybrid Train. I don't know much about this Hybrid Train and all I need to concern is that where do they throw their old cars after they phase it out... Honestly, I been in Japan a couple of times and rode some numerous lines. I noticed that some JR lines are still using old rolling stocks and I wonder if they will replaced it with the new one, maybe they can donate it to outher countries with railways of the same gauge they are using...

There is a very big story when it comes to the history of the MRR/PNR there.

I got a book in Manila called

"The Colonial Iron Horse 1875-1935" Arturo G Corpuz
Published by the University of the Philippines Press.

I can really recommend this as a great source of railway history during this period. It not only gives the main railway history, it looks at changes in population and peoples attitudes during this period.
A fantastic piece of history.

Brad

i also got a book of that only a xerox copy from my friend who get it from UP diliman

my friends and also my classmates told me like that, they say its mabaho, dirty, ugly, many squatters, many holduppers, awful smell, etc etc.very negative tsk tsk. They told me why PNR u choose to be ur thesis and y u r riding it.. i said to them because this needs attention , people like us must learn our history and not by just forgetting it..i also said that it is much cheaper than any other transpo, if u think about the time (no traffic only stop at stations) and the price of the train fee,OMG!! everything will going to change..

^^ Your right, people here are not practical... Just imagine to ride on the LRT now is very expensive with respect to the services they are getting... If only we could unite and help this government in their relocation, maybe even long before we're already enjoying the services of PNR... Just like here in Legazpi, instead of thinking a better solution for traffic jams in the city, they proposed to acquire the whole strech of 6km PNR RoW to convert into wide avenues... OMGoodness, they are supposed to resolve their own problem not to give another problems to which now we thingk can resolve to all of our riding problems...

I believe later on Nathan, more people will patronize this. I can say that only one year from now, they will start enjoying the services of the new PNR. I bet you, even just removing squatters are already an achievement to some other people who understands.. Thank you Nathan and Brad for being one of them with me also...:lol: and other specialists of this thread..

Platforms here are a complete mixture.
However in Sydney a few years ago we reintroduced at one station a platform idea that was got rid of many, many years ago.
That is the single line with a platform each side.

Why?

It is the station at Olympic Park. Normally it is very quiet, but during the 2000 Olympics, sporting/music events and the Easter Show, huge numbers of crowds are moved to and from there.
Being able to open the doors on both sides causes trains to be emptied/loaded in half the time and the train is fast on its way.

Strangely enough, we are also looking at another old way to solve the slow running and overcrowded nature of our railway system.
Since the 60s we have used double deck trains in Sydney. Gradually they replaced all the single decks.
Strangely enough they now talk about reintroducing single decks as they load and offload passengers much faster and as a result get going again and a lot less time.

Ironically our change from double deck to single deck buses (finally completed in the 80s) may also prove to have been an error. While plenty of bendy buses are coming into service to cope with the extra loads, double decks are again occasionally discussed.

Funny old world
Brad


^^ With regards to train, how do you prefer our Southrail Trail would look like.. For me, I like also the double deck train specifically for Tourism purposes. Can we also build a double deck platform to load and unload passengers in a matter of seconds?

Wow the lifting of the Pandacan bridge will be a big job. I wonder if they will use the current old bridge or just totally replace it?
We noticed on the recent trip that the bridge had equipment underneath for opening it up to tall boats going by. I wonder when it last did that?
After they lift it, it probably wont be as good a photo location sadly. Still fixing it up is more important :)

Brad

^^ I guess a new bridge, but this time with higher elevation. The old bridge cannot be used anymore since a lot of its section are not realiable to use....

Which is probably the down side for the aerial LRT/MRT systems over conventional ground based rail.
These metro systems in Manila are being pushed to their limit. They all stop at all stations and as such express services are very hard to do.
If a third track for express services stopping at selected stations was introduced it would take an incredible burden off the rest of the system.
But how can you do that? Its not as easy as clearing some land to the side for another track, while I don't think you could sling another few metres of trackbed on the side of the existing overhead line without more poles underneath.
You can only have so many sets running on the system at any time as well. Although admitedly they could introduce more at the moment and introduce a 2 minute headway. Still that wont make it any easier for expresses.

Brad


That's right, I think our LRT has pushed their limits... Maybe the original and only plan is an all station train... LRT1 has only extra track in Baclaran, Central Station and at the Caloocan... LRT2 has extra track in Cubao while MRT3 has one each on North, Shaw and Pasay Stations.

i also got a book of that only a xerox copy from my friend who get it from UP diliman

^^ That's was really an awesome book... Can we pirate it and make a copies of 1 for each one of us here.... he he he!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

my friends and also my classmates told me like that, they say its mabaho, dirty, ugly, many squatters, many holduppers, awful smell, etc etc.very negative tsk tsk. They told me why PNR u choose to be ur thesis and y u r riding it.. i said to them because this needs attention , people like us must learn our history and not by just forgetting it..i also said that it is much cheaper than any other transpo, if u think about the time (no traffic only stop at stations) and the price of the train fee,OMG!! everything will going to change..

^^ Actually, mas mabaho and isang bagay kung itoy pababayaan. I think with the political will that this current government is showing, I bet they will not do things anymore to make a comeback of squatters... The squatters are finally out and have been resolved and it's about time to appreciate the PNR...

Hi comrade @WoS, here is a rough sketch:

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7527/z1ka9.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8937/z1lg6.jpg

this is one major advantage of a rail station, it can transport u to city center to another city center, unlike airports which is from city edge to another city edge,hahaha:lol: :lol: and look at the maharlika highway,hah! very far..

^^ Actually this NorthRail SouthRail Projects belong to the MEGASTRUCTURE...

NorthRail Phase 1 A - $500m
NorthRail Phase 1 B - $650m
Linkage Phase 1 - $50m
Linkage Phase 2 - $80m
Southrail Phase 1 & 2 - $1000m

TOTAL $ 2.28B

I estimate that the Government will infuse at least $10 to complete the rehabilitation of the whole tracks + several billion dollars more for new lines..

^^ Actually, mas mabaho and isang bagay kung itoy pababayaan. I think with the political will that this current government is showing, I bet they will not do things anymore to make a comeback of squatters... The squatters are finally out and have been resolved and it's about time to appreciate the PNR...

i hope this projects that we dream in reality must not be stopped, im thinking about the investigation of the hello garci, the war in sulu, the war with npa, the broadband deal, and many more... i hope our Madam president will last until june 2010.. i hope and i wish that she could finish all the projects she said in her sona last yr and this yr.. about the airports , rails and other infrastructure that she said. the naia 3 should also be open b4 she leaves her post, para nmn may maiwan xang Legacy like Marcos

this is one major advantage of a rail station, it can transport u to city center to another city center, unlike airports which is from city edge to another city edge,hahaha:lol: :lol: and look at the maharlika highway,hah! very far..

^^ Sayang, wala tayong accurate views ng Lucena, Malolos at Naga.. Because I will show you guys the where abouts of the depots... Major depots..

i hope this projects that we dream in reality must not be stopped, im thinking about the investigation of the hello garci, the war in sulu, the war with npa, the broadband deal, and many more... i hope our Madam president will last until june 2010.. i hope and i wish that she could finish all the projects she said in her sona last yr and this yr.. about the airports , rails and other infrastructure that she said. the naia 3 should also be open b4 she leaves her post, para nmn may maiwan xang Legacy like Marcos

^^ Actually PGMA will remain till 2010 and all of the projects will be completed... This government had found already the formula towards our goal. Try watching PTV 4 and other business chaneel.. Beware to watch at our private channels, they are very much negative and very against the government's achievement... We will have a better chance of progress if Noli Boy will come out after PGMA..

^^ Filipinos are envading the Skyscrapercity and the whoel world.. Don't you notice the figures and statistics and no. of quality posts here.. mostly made by Filipinos.. Out database is roughly the size of the whole ASIA thread...OMGoodness...:lol: :lol:

^^ Good Morning.... ubo! ubo! ubo! Nice Station at Tayuman.. And also the tracks were cleaned... I cant' imagine how nice our Southrail is gonna be next year....

currently they are demolishing that warehouse in tayuman the former tayuman station in that picture...

the rail police building there was just an outpost, the frontal picture from the tayuman st is this. its a schl i think... there is a signage that "center of excellence"..
^^ ^^
http://file.uploadr.com/103df-embed

currently they are demolishing that warehouse in tayuman the former tayuman station in that picture...

the rail police building there was just an outpost, the frontal picture from the tayuman st is this. its a schl i think... there is a signage that "center of excellence"..
^^ ^^
http://file.uploadr.com/103df-embed

^^ Is this building still part of PNR lots or private lots awarded by PNR.. I suppose they should not have an access along the tracks... The tracks specifically built for access cars only for railways. If they do so, I wish that they could fenced it....

That's right, I think our LRT has pushed their limits... Maybe the original and only plan is an all station train... LRT1 has only extra track in Baclaran, Central Station and at the Caloocan... LRT2 has extra track in Cubao while MRT3 has one each on North, Shaw and Pasay Stations.

^^ LRT 2 also has 3 tracks between Katipunan and Anonas Stations. In the future, I think they will be using an express train from Masinag or Santolan to Cubao, thats why there is an extra platform in Cubao Station. The entire line is fully automated, switching of the tracks can be done remotely from the LRT facility in Santolan and certain trains can be stopped at these 3 tracked lengths when an express train is passing by. I guess these extra tracks and platform is for that express. I picture they will also introduce 3 track lengths in the Masinag extension project to accomodate this and you can catch an express train from Masinag (after the extension project of course) non stop to Cubao in about 10 minutes of less from closing of the train doors in Masinag to opening of the doors on Cubao. The trains also have destination signs in the front to show if its an express train or not. :banana:

^^ LRT 2 also has 3 tracks between Katipunan and Anonas Stations. In the future, I think they will be using an express train from Masinag or Santolan to Cubao, thats why there is an extra platform in Cubao Station. The entire line is fully automated, switching of the tracks can be done remotely from the LRT facility in Santolan and certain trains can be stopped at these 3 tracked lengths when an express train is passing by. I guess these extra tracks and platform is for that express. I picture they will also introduce 3 track lengths in the Masinag extension project to accomodate this and you can catch an express train from Masinag (after the extension project of course) non stop to Cubao in about 10 minutes of less from closing of the train doors in Masinag to opening of the doors on Cubao. The trains also have destination signs in the front to show if its an express train or not. :banana:

Yup, tha't right, there's a probablity that case will be realized. An express train is a must so that the trip will wake it fast.

^^ This map guide is the Tokyo Station Platform

http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/estation/img/map_e/m_tokyo_e.gif

^^ even with a map, it's easy to get lost here! ehehehehe :lol:

^^ That's a three dimensional map... I was once there and you need to familiarize the station by looking first at the schedule and platform.. You will truly get lost if you don't do this....:lol:

this is one major advantage of a rail station, it can transport u to city center to another city center, unlike airports which is from city edge to another city edge,hahaha:lol: :lol: and look at the maharlika highway,hah! very far..

Does it mean the PNR station in Lucena will be elevated like the one in Malolos?

If so, WOW!!!:okay:

^^ Sayang, wala tayong accurate views ng Lucena, Malolos at Naga.. Because I will show you guys the where abouts of the depots... Major depots..

Show us! Show us!:rant:

I read somewhere in this forum that there is a planned Mauban Line... is this Mauban a town in Quezon province? How about a line parallel to the Marikina-Infanta road... then the planned Container terminal in Real-Infanta (Pacific side) could come true...

If they could rehab S.rail up to Calauag, Quezon there is a port in Lopez they could improve and use on the Pacific side...

^^ This map guide is the Tokyo Station Platform

http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/estation/img/map_e/m_tokyo_e.gif

The Shinkansen Line is not even a part of this map?... OMG!

The Shinkansen Line is not even a part of this map?... OMG!


^^ The shinkansen platforms are number 19-24... Darker blue at the top!!!

^^ Tokyo stationcan be better understand by this site... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Station with the drawing....

I read somewhere in this forum that there is a planned Mauban Line... is this Mauban a town in Quezon province? How about a line parallel to the Marikina-Infanta road... then the planned Container terminal in Real-Infanta (Pacific side) could come true...

If they could rehab S.rail up to Calauag, Quezon there is a port in Lopez they could improve and use on the Pacific side...

Actually this is old news already but the plans are still there...

PGMA welcomes Sino consortium on LABART project
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2006 | TRANSPORTATION


STA. CRUZ, Laguna—President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo welcomed today members of the Chinese consortium who will undertake the development of the $2.5-billion Laguna-Rizal Ecological Transport System (LABART).

The President had an opportunity to meet anew the Chinese consortium members during the 64th birth anniversary celebration of Laguna Governor Teresita "Ningning" Lazaro at the Laguna Provincial Cultural Center in this capital town

Su Min and Ji Chen, government liaison officers of China’s Ministry of Finance, and Lin Jian Xin of the Xiamen Municipal government extended their gratitude to the President during the rites.

"It is my pleasure to meet you again. Hope we will have a bountiful relationship for our transport system project," she told the Chinese investors in return.

The members of the Chinese consortium expressed elation on meeting the Chief Executive and for giving them the opportunity to undertake the so-called LABART project.

Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno and Presidential Adviser for Region IV-A Ed Manda also graced the occasion.

The American and Chinese consortiums and the provincial government of Laguna signed a Memorandum of Undertaking for the Laguna-Rizal Ecological Transport System (LABART) in Xiamen, China during the President’s visit to the People’s Republic of China last month.

The LABART project has three main components, namely, the construction of a circumferential road along Laguna Lake, the railway from Mauban, Quezon going to the Food Terminal Inc. (FTI) in Taguig City and the water supply and water treatment facilities of Laguna Lake.

The project has a total cost of $2.5 billion.

Panay Railways, Inc chairman Ofelia Bulaong, representative of the Philippine government in the consortium, said that they would implement development of Phase 1 of the LABART project next year.

"There would be no problem on the right of way because it encompasses the Laguna Lake. It will open up the eastern seaboard from Mauban, Quezon to FTI then will directly connect to the Pasig River," Bulaong said.

^^ I think LABART Project will utilize 2 tracks for freight and passenger operations. Im not sure if they will share with PNR but assuming that they will have there own, the line from FTI in which it was chosen to be their terminal also to Calamba will have 4 tracks.. From there two tracks again up to Mauban passing the Sta. Cruz old alignment...

my friends and also my classmates told me like that, they say its mabaho, dirty, ugly, many squatters, many holduppers, awful smell, etc etc.very negative tsk tsk. They told me why PNR u choose to be ur thesis and y u r riding it.. i said to them because this needs attention , people like us must learn our history and not by just forgetting it..i also said that it is much cheaper than any other transpo, if u think about the time (no traffic only stop at stations) and the price of the train fee,OMG!! everything will going to change..

^^ Gusto kasi ng mga tao shinkansen agad ang train dito... Magsisimula ulit tayo.. We have to learn more before we arrive at high speed operation.. Remember, if we cannot operate freight lines, then the line would not be productive. Even if you introduced a high speed train and not getting revenues anymore, useless. We have to start again to ordnary but quiete modern train systems...

home! Wait.. I was out for a day and a half then we are already on page 47?! great.. Backread! :lol:

^^ And take note, we are waiting for your pics of Binan... the discussions of your pics might send this thread to part IV!!!

^^ I think LABART Project will utilize 2 tracks for freight and passenger operations. Im not sure if they will share with PNR but assuming that they will have there own, the line from FTI in which it was chosen to be their terminal also to Calamba will have 4 tracks.. From there two tracks again up to Mauban passing the Sta. Cruz old alignment...

OK so was the Chinese consortium for LABART the same investors for N-S rail? I dont think Mauban has a seaport at this time, so does the mentioned cost of LABART include developing/constructing a seaport?

Perhaps this is the reason why Southrail spur to Sta. Cruz, Laguna became a priority against the Ph.1A section...

^^ Actually If I were to design the platform of Binan, I would rather use the 4 track 2 side platform. Just imagine the LRT station having another 2 extra tracks at the center. Binan is a big town and theres a lot of passenger expected.

yep. That's the way to do it. As far as i know and see, the station only has one side platform and at least 2-3 muddy tracks. Hopefully, they not just build/rehabilate the station but build some sort of jeepney/tryke station because there is a university nearby..

OK so was the Chinese consortium for LABART the same investors for N-S rail? I dont think Mauban has a seaport at this time, so does the mentioned cost of LABART include developing/constructing a seaport?

Perhaps this is the reason why Southrail spur to Sta. Cruz, Laguna became a priority against the Ph.1A section...

I'm not familiar with this LABART project.. Are they going to built a rail line that will surround the Laguna De Bay?

I'm not familiar with this LABART project.. Are they going to built a rail line that will surround the Laguna De Bay?

^^ I guess From FTI to Alabang to Calamba to Los Banos... will share ROW with PNR but not the tracks.. After Los Banos, I not sure if they wil still follow the old PNR line to Sta. Cruz or traverse through coastal areas of the lake together with the super highway towards Sta. Cruz and a new railway line to Mauban (Eastern Seaboard)..

yep. That's the way to do it. As far as i know and see, the station only has one side platform and at least 2-3 muddy tracks. Hopefully, they not just build/rehabilate the station but build some sort of jeepney/tryke station because there is a university nearby..

^^ One thing that keeps me focus on this rehabilitation is the way they will design the station to be accessible by all kinds of transportation... In Japan, every station has a bus slot, so you don't have to walk from the station. Another is that the station must have parking area (paid) at least just incase you want to leave your car...

OK so was the Chinese consortium for LABART the same investors for N-S rail? I dont think Mauban has a seaport at this time, so does the mentioned cost of LABART include developing/constructing a seaport?

Perhaps this is the reason why Southrail spur to Sta. Cruz, Laguna became a priority against the Ph.1A section...

^^ Probably your right, because their design must yield to high revenues coming from freigt mostly.. But Ph.1A section is a mandatory, so would always expect that this is the top priority... I suspect that PNR had nothing to do with the railways to Mauban and Batangas. I mean just like Northrail, they will award this to private consortium... Maybe we can expect that even if southrail ph 1A is already underway, don't be surprised that their would also same activities will happen to Sta. Cruz and Batangas lines...

^^ One thing also that keeps my eyes on this project is the investment of COSCO. If Cosco will be set up in two locations which I previously mentioned (Subic and Sanley Point), there must some kind of a way that this locations must be connected. If they do so, PNR must build a line from Sangley Point traversing into the suburbs of Cavite going eastward by Sucat Bicutan area all the way to the FTI... In this way the two are interconnected already.. Talking about the Mauban Eastboard Opening and the Pacific Side, again this is very paramount importance to their operation... They can use this as transhipment points of all container vans going to Amerca and South America.. Ships need not to negotiate a very long journey from Subic and Sangley just to get at the Pacific Side.

^^ One thing that keeps me focus on this rehabilitation is the way they will design the station to be accessible by all kinds of transportation... In Japan, every station has a bus slot, so you don't have to walk from the station. Another is that the station must have parking area (paid) at least just incase you want to leave your car...

Yes, wheel of steel every station in Japan has a bus stop and most of the stations have commercial and business shops as well. So I see not only the Northrail and Southrail satisfying good transportation but bringing new economic life in different areas.

Yes, wheel of steel every station in Japan has a bus stop and most of the stations have commercial and business shops as well. So I see not only the Northrail and Southrail satisfying good transportation but bringing new economic life in different areas.

^^ Welcome back pushstars.... hmmm... Nice Name!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: We'll anyway I really like the idea of setting up new central terminals in the areas that the railway station will be built. For example, in our town here in Albay, the construction of SouthRail will resolve the problem here of setting up a terminal for jeepneys, fx and bus... Im very possitive that it will be the new center of commerce once this have been done. Just like you've said, it is not just a station but simply the new buisiness center with ammenities of fastfood, supermarket and other small businesses.. In Japan, you don't need to go out to the station because all you're important need are already there, commonly if elevated, underneath the station. That's why, the contractor was very much keen on acquiring a bigger site for future expansions of these stations. Actually in Bicol Region, there is a plan to set up a first MRT using the PNR railroad. Meaning maybe PNR or some private companies will setup a commuter service from Legazpi to Naga. It will intend to provide a better and lasting mass transport to Bicol and also spur the economic activities...

^^ With regards to train, how do you prefer our Southrail Trail would look like.. For me, I like also the double deck train specifically for Tourism purposes. Can we also build a double deck platform to load and unload passengers in a matter of seconds?

Morning WoS,
While not a fan of the DMU and can see these as the more obvious choice for use between Manila and Calamba possibly Lucena, as well as between Legazpi and Naga.
For travel beyond I think two types of loco hauled service should be provided.
1) A standard class for high quality coaches for regular travel on the longer journeys.
2) A even higher quality aimed at the tourist and marketed accordingly.

Both should have a good onboard dining service where one could go and savour some wonderful adobo or other Philippine delecacies. Perhaps a tourist one may wish to cater for tastes of people from the main tourist homes.
The second type may be be more than what the new owners may wish to do, so perhaps a tourist service like this is an opportunity for a private company with running rights.

I can't recall any operations around the world that use double deck carriages on 3ft6. However this is not to say there isn't.
There would be extra height and width consideration for such things, meaning many overhead bridges and all stations would need modifying, as would any thing else that encroaches on the new clearance gauge. This could prove also to be very expensive.
Still, given we are looking at single decks again, perhaps double decks aren't the best idea.
Double decks would mostly be used in metro operations and in reality a 8 car single decks loadings would be comparable as you have easy standing room all the way through, where in double decks standers seem to stay mostly in the vestibule area.
It would again come down to speed. If a single deck can unload faster and be on its way, that means you can get another train in to the station much sooner. This meaning you would end up being able to offload more people at a station than the one double deck.

Double platforms (platform both sides) may be a serious thing to consider at stations that regularly have high crush loadings and an intense service.

Brad

Morning WoS,
While not a fan of the DMU and can see these as the more obvious choice for use between Manila and Calamba possibly Lucena, as well as between Legazpi and Naga.
For travel beyond I think two types of loco hauled service should be provided.
1) A standard class for high quality coaches for regular travel on the longer journeys.
2) A even higher quality aimed at the tourist and marketed accordingly.

Both should have a good onboard dining service where one could go and savour some wonderful adobo or other Philippine delecacies. Perhaps a tourist one may wish to cater for tastes of people from the main tourist homes.
The second type may be be more than what the new owners may wish to do, so perhaps a tourist service like this is an opportunity for a private company with running rights.

I can't recall any operations around the world that use double deck carriages on 3ft6. However this is not to say there isn't.
There would be extra height and width consideration for such things, meaning many overhead bridges and all stations would need modifying, as would any thing else that encroaches on the new clearance gauge. This could prove also to be very expensive.
Still, given we are looking at single decks again, perhaps double decks aren't the best idea.
Double decks would mostly be used in metro operations and in reality a 8 car single decks loadings would be comparable as you have easy standing room all the way through, where in double decks standers seem to stay mostly in the vestibule area.
It would again come down to speed. If a single deck can unload faster and be on its way, that means you can get another train in to the station much sooner. This meaning you would end up being able to offload more people at a station than the one double deck.

Double platforms (platform both sides) may be a serious thing to consider at stations that regularly have high crush loadings and an intense service.

Brad

Brad,

Goodmorning, yup... I thruoghly agree with your proposal. It reminds me of the Old Penafrancia, Bicol Express and the Mayon Limited.. If I can still remember they have this dining and sleeping coaches. It's really acttracting because this one cannot be seen on buses.

Yup!!! I've seen one in Vietnam. Double deck loco hauled Metre Gauge Car...

http://www.vr.com.vn/pictues/Toa2tang2.jpg

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Dian/anh/xengoi2tangDH.jpg

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Gialam/anh/TXAngoimem2tang.jpg

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http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Haiphong/Trang10-toxe2tangA2T-noithat.jpg

Techinical Specs:
Railway Gauge Meter 1000mm
Length of carbody 21005 mm
Length between the centre of couplers 21676 mm
Width of carbody over outside panels 2900 mm
Roof height of car from top of rail (tare) 4100 mm
Number of seats 108
Tare 40 tonnes
Load 10 tonnes

^^ BTW, this is the areal photo of Iriga City Station in Camarines Sur...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1290/1338394133_abb969c959_o.jpg

^^ No need to worry.. The portline may be built elevated.. Can only occupies the size of a big pier say 2meters in diameter..


Has the asphalt been laid on top of the tracks, or were the tracks removed first?
Suppose a day with a jackhammer will solve the problem if the rails are still there.

Brad

^^ It doesn't matter if we use the metre gauge like those being used in Thailand, Malaysia, and Vietnam.....

This was meant to be a joke but the photo dosen't seem to be appearing :(

http://k53.pbase.com/u37/boyyniguez/upload/23834434.PICT1141.JPG

^^ That's right, I think our LRT has pushed their limits... Maybe the original and only plan is an all station train... LRT1 has only extra track in Baclaran, Central Station and at the Caloocan... LRT2 has extra track in Cubao while MRT3 has one each on North, Shaw and Pasay Stations.[QUOTE]

Not sure how easy it would be but their easiest way of increasing loading may well be the extending of platforms and running longer trains.
When these things were designed they were likely designed for expected loadings at the time, not in a few years time :(


[QUOTE=wheel of steel;15206643]^^ That's was really an awesome book... Can we pirate it and make a copies of 1 for each one of us here.... he he he!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

It is very hard to find now, so pirated ones may be the best way to go.
It would take quite a few copies to do the whole book.
Not sure how much Xerox copies cost there but the book isn't that expensive if you are able to locate one. Mine was purchased by a friend while he got his own, I think it was a shop on UN Boulevard at Ermita.


Brad

Has the asphalt been laid on top of the tracks, or were the tracks removed first?
Suppose a day with a jackhammer will solve the problem if the rails are still there.

Brad

:lol: :lol: I hope they did not cover all the tracks with asphalt. I think even if the they covered it anyway, the trains can still able to pass anyway because of its heavy load. I remember when I was a child along the rail, we put at thick flat Iron Bar, then suddenly we got an instant knife after the train passed by.. Incredible, how did that happen without derailing the train... tssk.. tssk!!!:nuts:

i hope this projects that we dream in reality must not be stopped, im thinking about the investigation of the hello garci, the war in sulu, the war with npa, the broadband deal, and many more... i hope our Madam president will last until june 2010.. i hope and i wish that she could finish all the projects she said in her sona last yr and this yr.. about the airports , rails and other infrastructure that she said. the naia 3 should also be open b4 she leaves her post, para nmn may maiwan xang Legacy like Marcos

People must make sure these projects aren't dropped by whoever the new administration is.
It is disgusting that presidential egos can get in the way of what is right for their people.

Brad

[QUOTE=wheel of steel;15206643]^^ That's right, I think our LRT has pushed their limits... Maybe the original and only plan is an all station train... LRT1 has only extra track in Baclaran, Central Station and at the Caloocan... LRT2 has extra track in Cubao while MRT3 has one each on North, Shaw and Pasay Stations.[QUOTE]

Not sure how easy it would be but their easiest way of increasing loading may well be the extending of platforms and running longer trains.
When these things were designed they were likely designed for expected loadings at the time, not in a few years time :(




It is very hard to find now, so pirated ones may be the best way to go.
It would take quite a few copies to do the whole book.
Not sure how much Xerox copies cost there but the book isn't that expensive if you are able to locate one. Mine was purchased by a friend while he got his own, I think it was a shop on UN Boulevard at Ermita.


Brad


^^ The good but not so excellent b/w photocopy here powdered costs only P0.75, so for every 100cps (50pages back to back) would only cost around P75...

I think we gonna be needing a colored one which is coslier.. I prefer just to buy brand new one. :okay:

^^ And take note, we are waiting for your pics of Binan... the discussions of your pics might send this thread to part IV!!!

^^ Yup!!! that's right, so we always have better chance of discussion with the photos sent.. Keep in touch el... we will wait for your pics...

We will have a better chance of progress if Noli Boy will come out after PGMA..

On the news the other day was the large push to try to discredit Noli Boy. Other politicians realise his popularity is screaming up and are so worried they feel that lies are the only way to go.

Sad politics.

Brad

^^ Just got back to the platform.. I think the bes way for the Malolos platform is on the figure. Malolos City is a big city of Bulacan and I think it is the best candidate for an Airport Express Stop from DMIA to Fort to NAIA vice versa....

Here in the figure, the express train has a better chance of stop and not disturbing the commuter train. Commuter Trains remains on the outer platforms as long as the Express Train does'nt leave the inner platform. We also have a bigger chance to increase the frequency of Express Stop to this station since it can allow simulataenous parking of 2 Express Train and 2 Commuter Trains...

What do you think guys?

Figure
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1069/1339372254_9a49afe191_o.jpg

^^ Ow... I forgot the crossovers to be placed before the y at the left and afte the y at the right...:nuts:

currently they are demolishing that warehouse in tayuman the former tayuman station in that picture...


Nathan,
By this do you mean they are actually demolising the Tayuman station building and offices above???

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/7moimage004.jpg

Brad

On the news the other day was the large push to try to discredit Noli Boy. Other politicians realise his popularity is screaming up and are so worried they feel that lies are the only way to go.

Sad politics.

Brad

^^ It's really sad to hear from this issued, but on my case I have a good chance of wacthing good news at PTV4.. The private channels here are not so bad but they are always negative to the government... Really disgusting, sometimes there news was all about rape, rally, interviews to the squatters but perhaps they know what is right to us. Becuase it is a business...

Nathan,
By this do you mean they are actually demolising the Tayuman station building and offices above???

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/7moimage004.jpg

Brad

^^ Is this the actual Tayuman Station.. OMGoodness I taught it was a private garage before.. tssk.. tssk... too bad it has gone this worst... I hope they can still preserve it.

^^ One thing also that keeps my eyes on this project is the investment of COSCO. If Cosco will be set up in two locations which I previously mentioned (Subic and Sanley Point), there must some kind of a way that this locations must be connected. If they do so, PNR must build a line from Sangley Point traversing into the suburbs of Cavite going eastward by Sucat Bicutan area all the way to the FTI... In this way the two are interconnected already.. Talking about the Mauban Eastboard Opening and the Pacific Side, again this is very paramount importance to their operation... They can use this as transhipment points of all container vans going to Amerca and South America.. Ships need not to negotiate a very long journey from Subic and Sangley just to get at the Pacific Side.

Not sure how much time and cost they would save if a port on the Pacific coast (i.e. Mauban/Infanta) is fully operational...

My assumption is:
The travel time by rail (if operational), from Subic to Infanta would take around 2-1/2 hrs... In comparison, ship travel from Subic to Batanes/Pacific Ocean might take 1 day --- not to mention the operating cost (ship vs. train)... :)

^^ BTW, this is the areal photo of Iriga City Station in Camarines Sur...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1290/1338394133_abb969c959_o.jpg

@WoS... do you think Iriga City will also have an elevated station like Malolos?

Are station designs based on feasibility by the contractor? How did they come up with the concept for the Malolos station?

@WoS... do you think Iriga City will also have an elevated station like Malolos?

Are station designs based on feasibility by the contractor? How did they come up with the concept for the Malolos station?

^^ Im not sure if is an elevated but I think they must because that major road up there is the Maharlika Highway. Tha'ts a 4 lane highway at the city center... Whenever I pass there, wow.. damn!!! A lot of vehicular traffic you will see... I prefer to be it elevated...

^^ This is how they will do the viaduct. I have here a figure of viaducts style of construction. The first enbankment A is the commonly implemented viaduct especially for railways, highways like Subic-Clark Tarlac and other approaches for bridges.. Advantages is that no need for estra infrastructure cost since only the landscaping of the soil is required. The very main disadvantage of this is that it consumes a lot of space. Were got only at most 30m of Righ of way, so if were planning a 6 tracks parallel, to prutrude that below would eat up enourmous space more than 30m... Sever flooding put this enbankment at risk as have been proven already in some notable calamities happened. There are suggestions that the viaduct we area thinking are of the retaining wall type like the enbankment B figure below. Expected to be costly since it envolves the concreting of the retaining walll. Advantage is that it does not consume much space.. Highly recommended inside the cities where access roads on sides are required. I prefer that Malolos Station Design was very similar to the enabankment B while some section with wide space and no risk of flooding can be used by enbankment A.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1038/1338688845_236222da8f_o.jpg

Not sure how much time and cost they would save if a port on the Pacific coast (i.e. Mauban/Infanta) is fully operational...

My assumption is:
The travel time by rail (if operational), from Subic to Infanta would take around 2-1/2 hrs... In comparison, ship travel from Subic to Batanes/Pacific Ocean might take 1 day --- not to mention the operating cost (ship vs. train)... :)

^^ Pwede... Very much possible, Infanta is just only I think 100km east of Clark. So if they will build a dedicated portline exclusively for freight trains activities only, maybe well they can achieve an even much lower time to rail the container vans to Subic.. Yup!, good assumption....

^^ I have a very nice proposal here that after the completion of Southrail, the local government of every town along the whole Southrail line that has stops must coordinate to the PNR before they finally set up their own central terminal. I believe that PNR is different anymore and that the patronage of the riding public will shoot up to its high level. So we expect that most of the passengers will take up this train especially when they will introduce commuter lines in major sections. I proposed that buses and jeepnes must serves as shuttle to the PNR passengers for local destinations.. Every stations must be assigned to have Jeepney and Bus slot 2 at a time. Maybe with this scheme, passengers can greatly save much time. Everything will be synchronized...

^^ I think LABART Project will utilize 2 tracks for freight and passenger operations. Im not sure if they will share with PNR but assuming that they will have there own, the line from FTI in which it was chosen to be their terminal also to Calamba will have 4 tracks.. From there two tracks again up to Mauban passing the Sta. Cruz old alignment...


There is a big about this on the Sta Cruz website somewhere.
Still even their websites info was done some years ago and no update given on the progress of this.

Brad

home! Wait.. I was out for a day and a half then we are already on page 47?! great.. Backread! :lol:


Your telling me. I was away from the computer for 20 hours and have returned to:

4 pages of this thread

23 posts on the PhilippineRailways Yahoogroup

12 emails related to the Philippine Railway Historical Society

There is a lot of interest around nowdays.

Brad

^^ I have a very nice proposal here that after the completion of Southrail, the local government of every town along the whole Southrail line that has stops must coordinate to the PNR before they finally set up their own central terminal. I believe that PNR is different anymore and that the patronage of the riding public will shoot up to its high level. So we expect that most of the passengers will take up this train especially when they will introduce commuter lines in major sections. I proposed that buses and jeepnes must serves as shuttle to the PNR passengers for local destinations.. Every stations must be assigned to have Jeepney and Bus slot 2 at a time. Maybe with this scheme, passengers can greatly save much time. Everything will be synchronized...

I would propose Lucena to have a central station & depot (upgrade the existing facilities), and then 2 to 3 satellite or local stations/cargo (one or two on the east side --- near a mall/residential/school area; and one one the west side --- an agricultural area)... these satellite/local stations could be a project of the local government when the new train system is fully operational.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/241/z1df5.jpg

^^ Pwede... Very much possible, Infanta is just only I think 100km east of Clark. So if they will build a dedicated portline exclusively for freight trains activities only, maybe well they can achieve an even much lower time to rail the container vans to Subic.. Yup!, good assumption....

But I think they would save more in time and money if they will use the Legaspi port to ship out freight... :)
*Subic/Clark to Legaspi (6 hrs by train, then ship to North/South America, Australia on the Pacific side)...

home! Wait.. I was out for a day and a half then we are already on page 47?! great.. Backread! :lol:


Your telling me. I was away from the computer for 20 hours and have returned to:

4 pages of this thread

23 posts on the PhilippineRailways Yahoogroup

12 emails related to the Philippine Railway Historical Society

There is a lot of interest in Philippine railways around the world nowdays.

Brad

^^ I guess From FTI to Alabang to Calamba to Los Banos... will share ROW with PNR but not the tracks.. After Los Banos, I not sure if they wil still follow the old PNR line to Sta. Cruz or traverse through coastal areas of the lake together with the super highway towards Sta. Cruz and a new railway line to Mauban (Eastern Seaboard)..

While nothing has been officially confirmed, the current thinking is that the line will follow part of the original formation but will then need to divert in parts.

As mentioned, the balance of the line to Mauban is all new.

I believe, from the Sta Cruz government, that some sections have been awarded to people.

Brad

^^ The Sta. Cruz-Mauban line might need some tunnels built due to the Sierra Madre range that forms the border between the provinces of Laguna and Quezon...

^^ Probably your right, because their design must yield to high revenues coming from freigt mostly.. But Ph.1A section is a mandatory, so would always expect that this is the top priority... I suspect that PNR had nothing to do with the railways to Mauban and Batangas. I mean just like Northrail, they will award this to private consortium... Maybe we can expect that even if southrail ph 1A is already underway, don't be surprised that their would also same activities will happen to Sta. Cruz and Batangas lines...

Once again we can only guess at operator of all these lines.
As it was explained to me from PNR, the Southrail line will not actually belong to them, they will purely be the contracted operator along the line for the investor. Southrail, in affect, is not unlike Northrail, except Northrail is operating its own stuff.
You would expect that the Southrail investers may also invest in the Batangas line and again use PNR as the haulage operator.
The Sta Cruz etc line is a bit different again, but it would be strange if they didn't contract PNR to do the haulage.
A whole seperate line back to Manila would be very expensive if done by a private company and not worth it when you have a perfectly good line alongside.
They could pay access costs to use Southrail and buy all their own stock, but it would be far more viable to just used PNRs stock and leave the train operating to them, assuming a decent service is provided.


One thing that keeps me focus on this rehabilitation is the way they will design the station to be accessible by all kinds of transportation... In Japan, every station has a bus slot, so you don't have to walk from the station. Another is that the station must have parking area (paid) at least just incase you want to leave your car...

I agree, all Philippine stations should have a bus station to serve plaes away from the railway line, while park and go is also a great idea.
Road transport can never be done away with, but it should not duplicate the rail service. The bus slots for outer areas will mean both the buses and trains help each other get patronage.
What really needs to get looked at is ticketing that allows changing between transport. By example, say you wish to go to Batangas and you were going by train to Calamba then a bus.
Instead of a ticket on both, you would get one ticket covering the entire run.
Perhaps a ticket similar to what we call a 'DayRover' where you are able to travel on all tranport within an area for a 24 hour period.

Brad

Brad,



Techinical Specs:
Railway Gauge Meter 1000mm
Length of carbody 21005 mm
Length between the centre of couplers 21676 mm
Width of carbody over outside panels 2900 mm
Roof height of car from top of rail (tare) 4100 mm
Number of seats 108
Tare 40 tonnes
Load 10 tonnes

Hiya WoS,
Forgot about these Vietnam cars. They really are attractive cars.

I would love to find out the dimensions of Philippine rollingstock and how it compares to these double deck ones.

Brad

:lol: :lol: I hope they did not cover all the tracks with asphalt. I think even if the they covered it anyway, the trains can still able to pass anyway because of its heavy load. I remember when I was a child along the rail, we put at thick flat Iron Bar, then suddenly we got an instant knife after the train passed by.. Incredible, how did that happen without derailing the train... tssk.. tssk!!!:nuts:


ITs quite amazing.
We used to put coins on the track for the trains to crush. Used to be a source of souvenier.
Hmmmm should have put a 1peso coin under one there for a souvenier.
It does take a bit to derail them, but when they come off they do it in a big way.

Brad

Hiya WoS,
Forgot about these Vietnam cars. They really are attractive cars.

I would love to find out the dimensions of Philippine rollingstock and how it compares to these double deck ones.

Brad


^^ Ah!!! good, I would also love to see our double deck trains not too much wide so that it campensate to the gauge. I mean as along as it doesnt fall into the curves banks... ha ha ha!!! I hope we can also built a carraiage on our own... Infact our local buses here are already nicely looling, yes we can design a more better cars...

There is a big about this on the Sta Cruz website somewhere.
Still even their websites info was done some years ago and no update given on the progress of this.

Brad

Was the site all about berger philippines. They are the one who conducted the feasibility of study for Batangas Passenger and Container Railway...

^^ The good but not so excellent b/w photocopy here powdered costs only P0.75, so for every 100cps (50pages back to back) would only cost around P75...

I think we gonna be needing a colored one which is coslier.. I prefer just to buy brand new one. :okay:

The book is all B&W so the coloured ones are not really needed.

Wow, here if we want 50 pages photocopied back to back, the cheapest cost you could hope for would be 740p.


Agghhh
Brad

I would propose Lucena to have a central station & depot (upgrade the existing facilities), and then 2 to 3 satellite or local stations/cargo (one or two on the east side --- near a mall/residential/school area; and one one the west side --- an agricultural area)... these satellite/local stations could be a project of the local government when the new train system is fully operational.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/241/z1df5.jpg

^^ Yup!!! I bet you, the PNR should have a separate pick up station somewhere in Dalahican (at least some sort of a single track railway running on the streets). Nice idea because it will further perk up business in this huge city... Nobody knows exactly Lucena might be the center of trades other than Batangas...

But I think they would save more in time and money if they will use the Legaspi port to ship out freight... :)
*Subic/Clark to Legaspi (6 hrs by train, then ship to North/South America, Australia on the Pacific side)...

^^ Yes, Another great possiblity, why? Legazpi has already a port and actually this port is the closest point on the Southrail Line and Legazpi lies in the Pacific Ocean. It has already a port and only the construction of approximately 2 kms. of portline.. Another nice suggestion, hindi ko nahalata yun ha... pwede rin pala...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1069/1339372254_9a49afe191_o.jpg

Yep, this would ultimately be the best design if they wish to go the full way with four platforms, especially if all station stoppers to Malolos are expected to continue north and not turn back.

Brad

^^ It's really sad to hear from this issued, but on my case I have a good chance of wacthing good news at PTV4.. The private channels here are not so bad but they are always negative to the government... Really disgusting, sometimes there news was all about rape, rally, interviews to the squatters but perhaps they know what is right to us. Becuase it is a business...

This is why I really dislike journalists (despite I am pretty much one myself) they are quite often so biased towards their own adjenda and will happily lead people to believing what they like.

Brad

While nothing has been officially confirmed, the current thinking is that the line will follow part of the original formation but will then need to divert in parts.

As mentioned, the balance of the line to Mauban is all new.

I believe, from the Sta Cruz government, that some sections have been awarded to people.

Brad

^^ I think that is confirmed. They have already awarded the lots, the core lots to the people. Yeah, I have read some speeches of Noli Boy and he mentioned that some lots have been awarded already.

In connection with this, the propsed Mauban railroad Line would have to options, either to run it on coastal or construct an rail and road enbankment combined on the shorelines of the Laguna Lake.. Precisely that's what Ive learned for the past year... I guess something latest information must be posted here so we can further elaborate what's the real score...

This is why I really dislike journalists (despite I am pretty much one myself) they are quite often so biased towards their own adjenda and will happily lead people to believing what they like.

Brad

^^ Just like me.. Arg!!! I really hate this people from our private channel. Sometimes they're just making it for money... Damn!!! Damn!!! Can they just do it....

^^ Is this the actual Tayuman Station.. OMGoodness I taught it was a private garage before.. tssk.. tssk... too bad it has gone this worst... I hope they can still preserve it.

hehehehehehe private garage. I love it :lol:

From to sound of Nathan's post they may already be demolishing it :(
While this would be bad, its interesting that they are making some haste on it compared to the rest of the area. I wonder if they have plans for another station there?

Brad

^^ The Sta. Cruz-Mauban line might need some tunnels built due to the Sierra Madre range that forms the border between the provinces of Laguna and Quezon...

^^ Korek.. Just exactly what they will do the the Matnog Line.. Infact I did some map survey and I noticed that in the section of Southrail Line near the Ragay, the alignment of the tracks are really curve in shape.. In order to make a 120km/h run, they must realign it and use a tunnel instead... In Japan, curvatures like this is not anymore acceptable as they become more and more high tech in making tunnels....

^^ Im not sure if is an elevated but I think they must because that major road up there is the Maharlika Highway. Tha'ts a 4 lane highway at the city center... Whenever I pass there, wow.. damn!!! A lot of vehicular traffic you will see... I prefer to be it elevated...

While the Northrail elevated sections are required for more extensive flooding problems, I am wondering if they may not best be served by underpass or overpass type bridges for highways like this.Either by lowering the road or the railways and providing the apropriate drainage.
It would have to be easier, cheaper and more attractive then extended elevations through towns.
Of course a highway like this could have coloured light signals and large heavy booms as the cheapest option. These could be set of 2-3 minutes notice and deliver a crushing effect to those who ignore :lol:

Brad

^^ I have a very nice proposal here that after the completion of Southrail, the local government of every town along the whole Southrail line that has stops must coordinate to the PNR before they finally set up their own central terminal. I believe that PNR is different anymore and that the patronage of the riding public will shoot up to its high level. So we expect that most of the passengers will take up this train especially when they will introduce commuter lines in major sections. I proposed that buses and jeepnes must serves as shuttle to the PNR passengers for local destinations.. Every stations must be assigned to have Jeepney and Bus slot 2 at a time. Maybe with this scheme, passengers can greatly save much time. Everything will be synchronized...


Absolutely. All great ideas that will move the population around far quicker and make public transport far more attractive.
Now the question is, how do we make the government listen to this stuff?

Brad

While the Northrail elevated sections are required for more extensive flooding problems, I am wondering if they may not best be served by underpass or overpass type bridges for highways like this.Either by lowering the road or the railways and providing the apropriate drainage.
It would have to be easier, cheaper and more attractive then extended elevations through towns.
Of course a highway like this could have coloured light signals and large heavy booms as the cheapest option. These could be set of 2-3 minutes notice and deliver a crushing effect to those who ignore :lol:

Brad

:lol: :lol: :lol: The crushing boom on the way.... Before we use this in Manila sponsored by one of the best seeling gin in the Philippines... Ginebra San Miguel at every major crossing of PNR. Is this reliabbbblllleeeee!!! Arg... Im drunk...:D

Absolutely. All great ideas that will move the population around far quicker and make public transport far more attractive.
Now the question is, how do we make the government listen to this stuff?

Brad

^^ Change the Government to Marshall Law..:lol: :lol: :lol: Perhaps even when the proposal is not yet underway, the will have prepared it already.. hehehehehe

^^ The Sta. Cruz-Mauban line might need some tunnels built due to the Sierra Madre range that forms the border between the provinces of Laguna and Quezon...
I was wondering about this. It certainly is area not friendly towards easy rail construction.
Perhaps tunnels will be utilized. Makes the line a lot more expensive, but if the traffic is enough to warrant it, then why not.
Look forward to seeing trains out that way.

Brad

^^ Ah!!! good, I would also love to see our double deck trains not too much wide so that it campensate to the gauge. I mean as along as it doesnt fall into the curves banks... ha ha ha!!! I hope we can also built a carraiage on our own... Infact our local buses here are already nicely looling, yes we can design a more better cars...

I reckon you guys could build them there. Why not, you have people that can build almost amything else.
Even the asawa constantly amazes me by how great she is at building things.
A culture of having to do things yourself to save moneyhas made you far more clever than many of us with these sorts of things.

Brad

^^ I think PNR will privitaze the operation of the trains. Nice, I hope they get the best company for it.

I really like to know more about LABART.. I hope I could find it again the article about beger feasibility of study. They mentioned it that at least for 1 day 10 container trains will rail the container vans from port and vice versa.. I kind of interesting...

I reckon you guys could build them there. Why not, you have people that can build almost amything else.
Even the asawa constantly amazes me by how great she is at building things.
A culture of having to do things yourself to save moneyhas made you far more clever than many of us with these sorts of things.

Brad

Brad,

When you came here last Febrary, did you experience riding on a bus? Because you will see how we build our own bus. I hope the trains also. Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam all are building their own because of their healthy railway revenue. I hope we could correct it by the time the Southrail will be operational.

WoS

I was wondering about this. It certainly is area not friendly towards easy rail construction.
Perhaps tunnels will be utilized. Makes the line a lot more expensive, but if the traffic is enough to warrant it, then why not.
Look forward to seeing trains out that way.

Brad

^^ Most to expect is the frehgt traffic from Mauban to Sta. Cruz and from Sta. Cruz to FTI, passenger and freight train.. I hope that this will be the most viable reason for creating this railway....

Was the site all about berger philippines. They are the one who conducted the feasibility of study for Batangas Passenger and Container Railway...


From memory it was mostly part of a listing of projects to be completed in the area.
Not sure where it was, it was on the Sta Cruz website and under a section, something like, 'Future Projects'.Wasn't full of much detail sadly.

Brad

^^ Korek.. Just exactly what they will do the the Matnog Line.. Infact I did some map survey and I noticed that in the section of Southrail Line near the Ragay, the alignment of the tracks are really curve in shape.. In order to make a 120km/h run, they must realign it and use a tunnel instead... In Japan, curvatures like this is not anymore acceptable as they become more and more high tech in making tunnels....

Can anyone confirm if there are any tunnels on the current south line beyond Alabang to Legazpi?

Cheers
Brad
** Going out for a while, got to drop the asawa at a friends house. They are preparing for a her wedding tomorrow. Should be a huge Philo party afterwards :)

Can anyone confirm if there are any tunnels on the current south line beyond Alabang to Legazpi?

Cheers
Brad
** Going out for a while, got to drop the asawa at a friends house. They are preparing for a her wedding tomorrow. Should be a huge Philo party afterwards :)

^^ Ok... Take care... hmmm Just don't forget me to bring foods and stuffss... souvenir... hehehehehe.....

^^ Courtesy of GoogleEarth.. This is the map of Sta. Cruz and Mauban section of the planned Mauban Railway...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1339/1339235111_a0b52ee397_o.jpg

From memory it was mostly part of a listing of projects to be completed in the area.
Not sure where it was, it was on the Sta Cruz website and under a section, something like, 'Future Projects'.Wasn't full of much detail sadly.

Brad

Ok... I will check it for today the Sta. Cruz laguna website... NoW!!!

Govt to build railway around Laguna Lake
THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES A ROAD NETWORK,
WILL COST $2.4B THROUGH B.O.T. SCHEME

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

The government announced Thursday its plan to construct a road and railway system around the 220-kilometer Laguna Lake through a $2.4-billion build-operate-transfer (BOT) project.

To be called the Laguna Bay-Rizal Ecological Transport System (Labart), the project will be undertaken by a consortium of foreign and local private and state corporations.

The project was announced Thursday by Laguna Gov. Teresita Lazaro and Panay Railways chair Ofelia Bulaong.

The main objective of the project is to provide adequate accessibility to the towns and cities surrounding Laguna Lake to Metro Manila’s principal road arteries and railway systems to transform all the provinces in the Cavite, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal, Quezon and Aurora area into progressive industrial centers.

Bulaong said the project, although unsolicited, has been cleared by the National Economic and Development Authority.

Bulaong did not give specific details on the project because they are still finalizing the terms with the other groups that will undertake Labart along with Panay Railways Corp.

It entails the construction of an integrated road and railway system from Metro Manila to all towns and cities along the shoreline of Laguna de Bay in direct linkage with the proposed LRT-1 Coastal Road extension to Cavite and Philippine National Railway at FTI, Taguig.

The first option that the proponents are now looking at is the “shoreline embankment and causeway road” composed of approximately 150 kms of shoreline embankment road, 30 kms of causeway structure, 25 kms of land-based on-grade road and railway.

Bridges and series of box culverts will cross the route lines, accommodating water vessels’ passage and flow of water from land to prevent flooding.

The second option is the “Laguna de Bay on stilt carriageway for road and railway” that would involve the construction of structures above the lake’s waterline to minimize conflict with agencies and groups protecting the Laguna Lake, and issues on land reclamation, squatters and right of way.

The proponents listed 15 main components for the Labart:

the C-5/FTI to Lower Bicutan
Taguig-Calamba segment
Calamba to Bay segment
Bay to Caliraya segment
South Bay segment
Jala-Jala mountain segment
Jala-Jala to Pililia segment
Pililia to Mangahan segment
Mangahan to Lower Bicutan C6
Talim Island Spur Line
Caliraya to Mauban segment
PNR railway rehabilitation
a proposed railway
Rizal container port and Mauban international port.


The derivative components will be side projects on pollution control, water supply, flood control and land development.

The project will strategically provide a direct fast transport system to Makati and Pasig, the country’s premier financial centers, and the expanding Global City in Taguig.

The Ninoy Aquino International Airport will also just be minutes away through the C5 road.

^^ This is probably the LABART Project they are talking to. The Super Highway will be a four lane highway represented by thick blue line while the railway was represented by a thick red line. The highway will be constructed at the shoreline through enbankments totalled 150 kms. plus 30 kms of causeway.. The railway will be from FTI to Sta. Cruz reviving the old rail line plus 25 km new railway line to Mauban.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1289/1340228706_6a3e80477c_o.jpg

The report about LABART doesn't have any date at all and I believe I read it already one and a half years ago. Is there any latest news on this?: ohno: :ohno:

The report about LABART doesn't have any date at all and I believe I read it already one and a half years ago. Is there any latest news on this?: ohno: :ohno:

^^ We will be waiting for this development, any progress in the economy will definitely push this or may have altered a little bit...

^^ The LABART Project will be implemented in phases. Im not sure if they 18mo. time has already expired. But I think they have already planned it and their first priority was the railway portion. If this could be the case, the construction will be simultaneous as that of the Southrail Phase 1a..

^^ ONE ^^

^^ I think PNR will privitaze the operation of the trains. Nice, I hope they get the best company for it.
...

I am not sure how they could go about this given the unusual situation that they are simply a contract operator the for the lines investor.
All they would have to offer is the rollingstock.
Interestingly, what happens if they fail to keep thir end of the contract? Will the Southrail investers advertise for another operator to bring in their own rollingstock?
Then what, would PNR be limited to the linkage section only that the Koreans have invested in.
So many questions.

^^ TWO ^^

THE NEW THREAD FOR NORTHRAIL
AND SOUTHRAIL PROJECTS

WELCOME

Northrail - Southrail III (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=511474)

Northrail - Southrail II (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=98073)

Northrail - Southrail I (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=293158)

^^ Guys, it's time for new thread... GOODBYE!!! and Gongratulations!!!:banana: :banana: :banana:

Wow I got the 1000th this time.
Celebratory Tanduay for me :lol:

Brad

Wow I got the 1000th this time.
Celebratory Tanduay for me :lol:

Brad

:banana: :banana: :banana: ^^ ^^ YEAH!!! YEAH!!! WOOWWHOOOWWWW!!! ^^ ^^ :banana: :banana: :banana:

Thread III lasted from Aug. 15th - Sept. 7th... any records broken???

^^ Courtesy of GoogleEarth.. This is the map of Sta. Cruz and Mauban section of the planned Mauban Railway...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1339/1339235111_a0b52ee397_o.jpg

Looks like it could use part of the old Pagsanjan line as well.
The huge piers look good enough to carry a bridge and railway into the township again. The school on the ROW may be a hassle thou.

Brad

Thread III lasted from Aug. 15th - Sept. 7th... any records broken???

^^ I think we broke the record. None so far I have discovered this fast thread... hmmm....:banana:

Looks like it could use part of the old Pagsanjan line as well.
The huge piers look good enough to carry a bridge and railway into the township again. The school on the ROW may be a hassle thou.

Brad

^^ We'll this line is not the exact location but can also help us find the line.. Wow, how can they possible put a railway their. Infact, that part is a mountain. Sierra Madre Mountains... Tunnelll probably?

Thread III lasted from Aug. 15th - Sept. 7th... any records broken???


Wow less than a month. We are talking around 330 posts a week. Thats around 45 or so posts a day :lol:
At this rate our threads will catch up to the huge Legazpi thread within a year.

Brad

^^ I don't know guys, it was so fast .... Really fast, I tried to review it and wow , excellent pages that we have made.... More power to you guys and again let's have fun.... :banana: :banana: :banana:

Only 50 posts a day to break the past record :lol:

sto. domingo, capas, tarlac crossing
http://k53.pbase.com/o4/28/209028/1/65150064.orxfy8xY.P1010027.jpg

Looks like it could use part of the old Pagsanjan line as well.
The huge piers look good enough to carry a bridge and railway into the township again. The school on the ROW may be a hassle thou.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1339/1339235111_a0b52ee397_o.jpg

Brad

^^ We'll this line is not the exact location but can also help us find the line.. Wow, how can they possible put a railway their. Infact, that part is a mountain. Sierra Madre Mountains... Tunne

The report about LABART doesn't have any date at all and I believe I read it already one and a half years ago. Is there any latest news on this?: ohno: :ohno:

Perhaps there were no keen investors for the LABART project...

I hope they'd rather build a type like Lake Pontchartrain causeway (could be a causeway for vehicles or rail transport):
http://serc.carleton.edu/images/research_education/katrina/map_of_delta.v2.gif

A section of the vehicle causeway
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/images/wsci_01_img0058.jpg

Only 50 posts a day to break the past record :lol:

sto. domingo, capas, tarlac crossing
http://k53.pbase.com/o4/28/209028/1/65150064.orxfy8xY.P1010027.jpg

^^ Oh I see, I guess this is the old stuff line.. I mean the line that separate from the mainline.. Is this going to the Cabanatuan... Not much houses... Wow!! How did you do this guys, tracing back the old line actually, it's a lot work and money considering that you've really had to spend time. But anyway thanks for this photos, we can use this in the PRHS... NICE!!!

Perhaps there were no keen investors for the LABART project...

I hope they'd rather build a type like Lake Pontchartrain causeway (could be a causeway for vehicles or rail transport):
http://serc.carleton.edu/images/research_education/katrina/map_of_delta.v2.gif

A section of the vehicle causeway
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/images/wsci_01_img0058.jpg

^^ Nice Viaduct, I hope the same causeway as this should be built along the shoreline.. This is the best way to protect the lake. In fact we have one in cebu.. The South Coastal Causeway, Ill check it...

http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/images/wsci_01_img0058.jpg

^^ Tsskkk... Tsskkk... Very massive viaduct they have done... This must be considered as extreme engineering in their times...

http://k41.pbase.com/o4/28/209028/1/65150086.TLDzEu7E.P1010084.jpg

^^ We'll this line is not the exact location but can also help us find the line.. Wow, how can they possible put a railway their. Infact, that part is a mountain. Sierra Madre Mountains... Tunne

While in Pagsanjan this year we missed my friends house and started driving up these steep mountains.
Perhaps the Philippines may get a rack railway many years after the failed Baguio line :lol:
Its not impossible. If it is true that there could be ten freight trains a day then that would be the viability we are looking for.

Brad

http://k53.pbase.com/v3/28/209028/1/44585344.P1010045.JPG

http://k53.pbase.com/u12/boyyniguez/upload/42405830.P1010151.JPG

http://i.pbase.com/u12/boyyniguez/upload/42405831.P1010153.JPG

Enabling the Google earth icon for railroads, it showed the possible line to Sta. Cruz, Laguna (black lines) --- although this could be unreliable...
The red line I created was the possible spur rail line to Mauban, Quezon... the area vaguely encircled just above Mauban is the Quezon Power Ltd. (coal power plant) with an existing port. The area around this power plant could be developed to have industrial zones and warehouses, and an international container port could be built next to it.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2959/z2uk7.jpg

i got a question , y the platform of lrt /mrt platform here are 2 platform? y not all island platform?.. like in other countries..

[QUOTE=Lucentino;15230378]Enabling the Google earth icon for railroads, it showed the possible line to Sta. Cruz, Laguna (black lines) --- although this could be unreliable...
The red line I created was the possible spur rail line to Mauban, Quezon... the area vaguely encircled just above Mauban is the Quezon Power Ltd. (coal power plant) with an existing port. The area around this power plant could be developed to have industrial zones and warehouses, and an international container port could be built next to it.

^^ This could be more proabably accurate. I could imagine now not the trail are so many mountains. They will carefully study the line. Anyways this could not be a problem anymore since we have the latest and most power satellite geographical analyzer.

^^ Oh I see, I guess this is the old stuff line.. I mean the line that separate from the mainline.. Is this going to the Cabanatuan... Not much houses... Wow!! How did you do this guys, tracing back the old line actually, it's a lot work and money considering that you've really had to spend time. But anyway thanks for this photos, we can use this in the PRHS... NICE!!!

Sadly these are not my photos but I have to email the owner for permission to have copies for the society.
I only followed some of the north line, mstly Angleles to Moncada, back in 1999. I had my stepfather with me and he isnt a railfan and just wanted to get to Baguio.

Brad

i got a question , y the platform of lrt /mrt platform here are 2 platform? y not all island platform?.. like in other countries..

^^ probably the very main reason is that the LRT, MRT here has no express train service. The design was an all train station... Meaning that extra tracks is not anymore require since nothing will be diverted. Extra tracks design would also another eat funds since they are all constructed elevated.

Proposed Laguna Causeway (from my mind :))

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4299/z3tb5.jpg

Sadly these are not my photos but I have to email the owner for permission to have copies for the society.
I only followed some of the north line, mstly Angleles to Moncada, back in 1999. I had my stepfather with me and he isnt a railfan and just wanted to get to Baguio.

Brad

^^ Wow! It coulds steel be a lot of work. Maybe even PNR officials that time has no desire to come with you to help.. Ahh, I guess we really need this foreign investor to do this and finally get it back and operation of Northrail..

http://k41.pbase.com/o4/28/209028/1/65150086.TLDzEu7E.P1010084.jpg

^^ The enbankment of the railroad is still visible and shaped. I think the residents there, they know the condition of the land they are staying. I hope that the government can still repossed it.... It's worthy to bring this back again...

to wheel of steel,
i got a question , what is the current pnr row including the station? y in iriga is 60m?.. is that the actual lot of pnr? how come some of the engineers are telling it is only 30 m?

^^ We'll this line is not the exact location but can also help us find the line.. Wow, how can they possible put a railway their. Infact, that part is a mountain. Sierra Madre Mountains... Tunne

Impossible.. The area is mountainous(is there a word for it? :lol: )! If they are going to build a tunnel then this calls for EXTREME ENGINEERING :D

yey! Thread number IV! :)

sto. domingo, capas, tarlac crossing
http://k53.pbase.com/o4/28/209028/1/65150064.orxfy8xY.P1010027.jpg

If only the residents here would know this signange is worth preserving in a museum, then this might be gone in seconds --- for sale/bidding somewhere... :lol:

Proposed Laguna Causeway (from my mind :))

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4299/z3tb5.jpg

Nice Rendering... The LABART is so wide the size of the whole Calabarzon..

Impossible.. The area is mountainous(is there a word for it? :lol: )! If they are going to build a tunnel then this calls for EXTREME ENGINEERING :D

yey! Thread number IV! :)

I don't know if this project pushed through, but I think they are to dig a pipeline tunnel through Sierra Madre from Umiray River, Gen. Nakar, Quezon province (near the border with Bulacan & Aurora) to serve the water needs of the ever growing population of Metro Manila...

to alcogoodwin,

yep they asphalted the island.. some parts are asphalted and some have rails,
yep the rails are still there, they asphalted it, they didnt remove the rails. i think its a project of atienza, i dont think the vendors have a money to asphalt that island in recto.. its near KP tower, i didnt get the chance to take a photo becoz there are many people.Im afraid of snatchers..

to wheel of steel,
i got a question , what is the current pnr row including the station? y in iriga is 60m?.. is that the actual lot of pnr? how come some of the engineers are telling it is only 30 m?

^^ In Metro Manila, I guess... But in the provinces, yes, and also check it out the PNR Specifications, they have their the ROW for stations at the Mainline South...

to alcogoodwin and wOS

quote to wOs:
The good but not so excellent b/w photocopy here powdered costs only P0.75, so for every 100cps (50pages back to back) would only cost around P75...

I think we gonna be needing a colored one which is coslier.. I prefer just to buy brand new one.

mine is only 50cents each..haha, beside the school, haha

Bad weather stops GMA from inspecting damaged Umiray tunnel
Dec. 11, 2004
source (http://www.news.ops.gov.ph/archives2004/dec11.htm#Bad%20weather)

Bad weather forced President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo this morning to cancel her unscheduled inspection of the damaged Umiray-Angat Tunnel and other areas in Quezon province badly affected by the recent typhoons.

In a press briefing in Malacanang, the President said that she was about to fly by helicopter to General Nakar to inspect the damaged portion of the Umiray-Angat Tunnel but she was prevented from flying to the area because of poor visibility.

"I wanted to go, but we cannot. It is not accessible by helicopter. The weather condition would not allow it because it is still raining," the President said.

The President, however, said she would try making the trip again to personally look into the extent of the damage to the tunnel that diverts water from the Umiray River in Quezon to the Angat Reservoir in Bulacan, the major source of Metro Manila’s water supply.

It would have been the fourth visit of the President to areas in Quezon province devastated by a succession of typhoons.

On December 2, braving strong winds and heavy downpour brought by typhoon Yoyong, the President traveled by land to Real, the worst hit in Quezon province, to check for herself the damage wrought by typhoon Winnie and the landslide that ensued.

Two days later, on December 4, when the weather permitted, the President again flew by helicopter to General Nakar where she distributed P1 million checks to the mayors of the three towns—Real, General Nakar and Infanta—as the initial assistance from the national government for relief and rescue operations.

Three days ago, the President again flew to Lucena City to comfort the four survivors recovered by rescuers from the rubble of the collapsed Repador Building in Real, Quezon, who were airlifted to the Quezon Memorial Hospital in the city shortly after their recovery.

The President talked to the survivors—grandmother Maria Tamares, her granddaughter three-year-old Estela Marie Sor, and teenagers Ian Carl Bungad and Modesto Manuguid—and told them that the government would shoulder all their medical expenses. She also gave them some financial assistance.

During her visit to the hospital, the President described the recovery of the victims after having been buried for 10 days as nothing but a miracle.

^^ah.. As far as I know, that project pushed through and this is part of that San Roque(Don't know if this is the name of it) Multipurpose Dam Project. :D

^^ In Metro Manila, I guess... But in the provinces, yes, and also check it out the PNR Specifications, they have their the ROW for stations at the Mainline South...

is the line in alabang- fti is categorized to Mainline south or its just a commuter line..

^^ah.. As far as I know, that project pushed through and this is part of that San Roque(Don't know if this is the name of it) Multipurpose Dam Project. :D

san roque is the dam in pangasinan province, i think the water in angat is coming from pantabangan and casecnan in nueva ecija...

flow of water ??
Pantabangan-casecnan-angat-la mesa

to alcogoodwin and wOS

quote to wOs:
The good but not so excellent b/w photocopy here powdered costs only P0.75, so for every 100cps (50pages back to back) would only cost around P75...

I think we gonna be needing a colored one which is coslier.. I prefer just to buy brand new one.

mine is only 50cents each..haha, beside the school, haha

^^ In Asturias... my former xerox center during my college years...

to alcogoodwin,

in regards to the thread in part III

quote alcogoodwin:

Nathan,
By this do you mean they are actually demolising the Tayuman station building and offices above???

yep that one. They are demolishing some parts of the building and the offices ...
that pic was much cleaner, today if u go here the whole yard is full of garbage and squatters, many shit of goats..hahaha

is the line in alabang- fti is categorized to Mainline south or its just a commuter line..

^^ It is the Mainline South, with a commuter service and a long distance train to Bicol. It is the continous line from Tutuban...

san roque is the dam in pangasinan province, i think the water in angat is coming from pantabangan and casecnan in nueva ecija...

flow of water ??
Pantabangan-casecnan-angat-la mesa

Eing.. Thanks for clarifications.. :lol:

Anyway, Lucentino already posted the article about it. :d

to alcogoodwin,

in regards to the thread in part III

quote alcogoodwin:

Nathan,
By this do you mean they are actually demolising the Tayuman station building and offices above???

yep that one some of the offices ...

^^ Oh, shocks! I think we better get photos of it now before its too late.. hu hu hu!!!:nuts:

^^ It's really illegal to have openings along the rail. "The offices must have their main gate not on the front of the railroad. PNR Railway should be closed and only in streets crossing that should be left open.

^^ Oh, shocks! I think we better get photos of it now before its too late.. hu hu hu!!!:nuts:

Maybe they have mistaken Tayuman station as a slum... :lol:

Maybe they have mistaken Tayuman station as a slum... :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh my goodness... this one really make me laugh...:lol: :lol: :lol: harder.......:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

^^ Nabigla ung mga demolishers.. Theyve probably taught that building was part of....:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

they are literally "railroading" the demolition...:nuts:

in regards to the previous part III thread

quote to WOS

Is this the actual Tayuman Station.. OMGoodness I taught it was a private garage before.. tssk.. tssk... too bad it has gone this worst... I hope they can still preserve it.

yeah, that one becomes the main station when the station built by tpi was not yet being use..

The station we see today at the back of the Tututban mall was just recently being used.. it just started last march 2007... it is the first time the station has been occupied and been use... since the handover of the PNR old tutuban station to TPI up to last March, the Tayuman shed becomes the drop station and waiting areas for those people who will ride the train. Today if u will ride a train u will go to Mayhaligue st where the new station is located, actually it is not new because it was built since 1997, but not used for many years.. because of anomalies in the deal.

one personel of PNR told me that if he was to choose whos president she admire, she said "the late Ferdinand Macoy" I ask Y?... "because he's the one who only cares for us," she said... I admire also Marcos for the projects he has done to the country...

One of his projects are:
dams in the country like Magat Dam (former biggest dam in S.E. asia)
bridges like San Juanico bridge which links leyte and samar and Appari-Laog bridge which links region 1 and 2 (one of the first suspension bridge in south east asia"
CCP complex
expansion of PNR
power plants
the South superhighway and the formerr north diversion road and many more highways..flyovers and underpass...and many more in other parts of the country.

i admire him because eventhough he corrupts and greed for power at least he has legacy to be left many infrastructure projects for the people..

one personel of PNR told me that if he was to choose whos president she admire, she said "the late Ferdinand Macoy" I ask Y?... "because he's the one who only cares for us?," she said... I admire also Marcos for the projects he has done to the country...

One of his projects are:
dams in the country like Magat Dam (former biggest dam in S.E. asia)
bridges like San Juanico bridge which links leyte and samar and Appari-Laog bridge which links region 1 and 2 (one of the first suspension bridge in south east asia"
CCP complex
expansion of PNR
power plants
the South superhighway and the formerr north diversion road and many more highways..flyovers and underpass...and many more in other parts of the country.

i admire him because eventhough he corrupts and greed for power at least he has legacy to be left many infrastructure projects for the people..

^^ I thaught Marcos cares for the PNR Service in his very very very long stay... He could have been president till today... We really need a president that will have desire to put all our mass transportation in good shape. Of course if it is in good shape, every employee will get a good salary and more bonuses... We have to look for someone who cares for all...

^^ I thaught Marcos cares for the PNR Service in his very very very long stay... He could have been president till today... We really need a president that will have desire to put all our mass transportation in good shape. Of course if it is in good shape, every employee will get a good salary and more bonuses... We have to look for someone who cares for all...

the old woman said that that time their salary was always on time, and the government has full support on the PNR, when EDSA 1 came thats the start of the downfall, she said

help..does anyone here knows about the legal laws, existing codes pertaining to our railway system in the country,PNR,LRT,etc?..

help..does anyone here knows about the legal laws, existing codes pertaining to our railway system in the country,PNR,LRT,etc?..

^^ Yes! I think we have the laws governing the regulations and penalties with regards to the railway operation.

^^ Yes! I think we have the laws governing the regulations and penalties with regards to the railway operation.

wat are those?tnx... 4 thesis kc..hehe
i only have this
R.A. 4136
R.A. 6366
PD NO. 741
HOUSE BILL 5051 "NATIONAL RAILWAYS ACT"

THEN THIS PENDING SENATE BILLS
14th Congress
Senate Bill No. 352 BY JINGGOY

13TH CONGRESS
SENATE BILL NO. 63 BY LOI ESTRADA

MERON P BA?

wat are those?tnx... 4 thesis kc..hehe
i only have this
R.A. 4136
R.A. 6366
PD NO. 741
HOUSE BILL 5051 "NATIONAL RAILWAYS ACT"

THEN THIS PENDING SENATE BILLS
14th Congress
Senate Bill No. 352 BY JINGGOY

13TH CONGRESS
SENATE BILL NO. 63 BY LOI ESTRADA

MERON P BA?

I have one check this http://www.chanrobles.com/legal3pnr.html and meron marami pa pati na yung creation of Northrail and Southrail...

^^ The enbankment of the railroad is still visible and shaped. I think the residents there, they know the condition of the land they are staying. I hope that the government can still repossed it.... It's worthy to bring this back again...

Its interesting that its only since 1999 that all the track and bridges have disappeared. They otherwise lasted for over 20 years.
Some of the rail appear to be there, including the ones I put up with the kids sitting on them (not sure if they are working for you).
The formation is still mostly in very good condition. A bit of building on it, but otherwise usually used as a pathway.

http://i.pbase.com/o4/28/209028/1/65150553.672O32wo.P1010091.jpg

If only the residents here would know this signange is worth preserving in a museum, then this might be gone in seconds --- for sale/bidding somewhere... :lol:

We are desperate to follow some of these lines and try to locate items like this for preservation.
As Northrail progresses this sort of stuff will be destroyed, like the historic concrete sign at Blumentritt.

Brad

to alcogoodwin,

yep they asphalted the island.. some parts are asphalted and some have rails,
yep the rails are still there, they asphalted it, they didnt remove the rails. i think its a project of atienza, i dont think the vendors have a money to asphalt that island in recto.. its near KP tower, i didnt get the chance to take a photo becoz there are many people.Im afraid of snatchers..

Thats great news. As long as the rails are still there PNR can bring down a jackhammer or two :lol:

to alcogoodwin,

in regards to the thread in part III

quote alcogoodwin:

Nathan,
By this do you mean they are actually demolising the Tayuman station building and offices above???

yep that one. They are demolishing some parts of the building and the offices ...
that pic was much cleaner, today if u go here the whole yard is full of garbage and squatters, many shit of goats..hahaha

Hi Nathan,
Gee thats sad. Not the most attractive station but I have spent a lot of time there in the past.
Had had a long to to the station mistress there in February. She had worked for PNR for many, many years.
I took quite a few shots of the ticket office, waiting area and building.
Hope they don't touch the loco depot behind.

VALE: Tayuman :(

Brad

Thats great news. As long as the rails are still there PNR can bring down a jackhammer or two :lol:

^^ It would be for good already that they asphalted it... I think their plans it to enable the vehicle to pass on this rail like the normal crossing. But still the service of freight will proceed and it would act as if it is a tranvia on the street.

^^ It is the Mainline South, with a commuter service and a long distance train to Bicol. It is the continous line from Tutuban...

Like WoS says it all Mainline South.
Until the rebuild PNR officially regarded commuter area as the Calamba and Carmona lines. Though in reality only Alabang had a normal commuter service, although that to was thin.

Brad

Hi Nathan,
Gee thats sad. Not the most attractive station but I have spent a lot of time there in the past.
Had had a long to to the station mistress there in February. She had worked for PNR for many, many years.
I took quite a few shots of the ticket office, waiting area and building.
Hope they don't touch the loco depot behind.

VALE: Tayuman :(

Brad

^^ My goodness, how can we show to the world now that it had really existed long time ago. All was left was a digital photo of the station... I hope we may be wrong about that cause they are also plans to rebuild that exactly what was on the original design. But I don't we wrong... They will definitely removed that.. Things here are moving so fast...

Like WoS says it all Mainline South.
Until the rebuild PNR officially regarded commuter area as the Calamba and Carmona lines. Though in reality only Alabang had a normal commuter service, although that to was thin.

Brad

^^ I think if all lines will be rebuilt by PNR then, I think more commuter lines will be opened.. I hope the Canlubang and the more popularly known Carmona will be given an attention.. How nice the name CARMONAaahhhh.... :bash: ouch!!!

^^ I think if all lines will be rebuilt by PNR then, I think more commuter lines will be opened.. I hope the Canlubang and the more popularly known Carmona will be given an attention.. How nice the name CARMONAaahhhh.... :bash: ouch!!!

^^ Complete rehabilitation of these lines can bring a lot of progress to these areas.. Traffic will be totally reduced and incidence of bus parking will also be lessened and maximum usage of time will always implemented.

^^ I thaught Marcos cares for the PNR Service in his very very very long stay... He could have been president till today... We really need a president that will have desire to put all our mass transportation in good shape. Of course if it is in good shape, every employee will get a good salary and more bonuses... We have to look for someone who cares for all...

Only thing I can see that President Marcos did for PNR was the Carmona line.
I'm not sure how many services ran on it when it first opened, but certainly it was a dismal one each way since at least 1999.

However I know very little of this period and he may well have done a lot more. I would be interested in learning about what else he did.
Not sure if I mentioned it, but his 'Presidential Carriage' still exists and is a high priority on our list of things to save.

One thing everyone says about President Marcos however was how much safer it was for people back then. They say that due to his strong rule there was a lot less crime.

Brad

Hi Nathan,
Gee thats sad. Not the most attractive station but I have spent a lot of time there in the past.
Had had a long to to the station mistress there in February. She had worked for PNR for many, many years.
I took quite a few shots of the ticket office, waiting area and building.
Hope they don't touch the loco depot behind.

VALE: Tayuman :(

Brad

^^ Im sure the loco will never be touch nor removed. For me it is the elite of all squatters... ngek!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

the old woman said that that time their salary was always on time, and the government has full support on the PNR, when EDSA 1 came thats the start of the downfall, she said

Yeah payment certainly is a problem today. They sometimes go weeks without their pay.
A station woman I talked to said that even though their pay is unreliable they still remain loyal to PNR. That sort of loyalty should be rewarded, you wouldn't find it here.

Brad

Only thing I can see that President Marcos did for PNR was the Carmona line.
I'm not sure how many services ran on it when it first opened, but certainly it was a dismal one each way since at least 1999.

However I know very little of this period and he may well have done a lot more. I would be interested in learning about what else he did.
Not sure if I mentioned it, but his 'Presidential Carriage' still exists and is a high priority on our list of things to save.

One thing everyone says about President Marcos however was how much safer it was for people back then. They say that due to his strong rule there was a lot less crime.

Brad

^^ That's the most important thing I like to him most... "Nobody can touch me!!!" The project is always assured and you don't have to wait till it commence... Only this time that.... oh my my.... :lol: :lol:

Yeah payment certainly is a problem today. They sometimes go weeks without their pay.
A station woman I talked to said that even though their pay is unreliable they still remain loyal to PNR. That sort of loyalty should be rewarded, you wouldn't find it here.

Brad

^^ I think the woman will belong to the employees to be retained. I don't know much of other trade, maybe some mechanics mostly young some supervisors and experienced technicians and engineers...

Yeah payment certainly is a problem today. They sometimes go weeks without their pay.
A station woman I talked to said that even though their pay is unreliable they still remain loyal to PNR. That sort of loyalty should be rewarded, you wouldn't find it here.

Brad

^^ Actually they knew it, that trains are the most realiable land transportation. Infact they are hurt so much with the situation they are today than before... Before every time you ride on the train, at least no fear since no squatters yet but now, although it will be gone soon, still very risky...

^^ My goodness, how can we show to the world now that it had really existed long time ago. All was left was a digital photo of the station... I hope we may be wrong about that cause they are also plans to rebuild that exactly what was on the original design. But I don't we wrong... They will definitely removed that.. Things here are moving so fast...

They are going at a rapid rate and not leaving much behind.
Not sure what become of Espana station as the demo typhoon went through but I always thought it was a perfect station to clean up and renovate as an example of an original PNR station. Probably done heaps of damage to it now.

Brad

^^ Im sure the loco will never be touch nor removed. For me it is the elite of all squatters... ngek!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I sorta have a dream of the historical society making use and fixing up this lovely old loco depot.
Would make a perfect home for such a project, at least in the early days.

Brad

Ako naman nanaginip, ok na raw ang PNR operation sa Pinas. Wala nang squatter sa side ng tracks. Yung tipong puro puno ang makikita at wala nang polusyon. Well panaginip nga...

^^ I think the woman will belong to the employees to be retained. I don't know much of other trade, maybe some mechanics mostly young some supervisors and experienced technicians and engineers...

I hope she does, she was a very nice person.
Actually the PNR has quite a few of the nicest and most helpful people. But then thats the normal Filipino way.
Only problems I have had has been with a few managers, but normally they finally come around when they realise you are just there to enjoy the trains and not cause them problems.

Brad

They are going at a rapid rate and not leaving much behind.
Not sure what become of Espana station as the demo typhoon went through but I always thought it was a perfect station to clean up and renovate as an example of an original PNR station. Probably done heaps of damage to it now.

Brad

in my project i will propose to connect the espana station with the future lrt 4 station along espana, watcha think? although the site is so small, 30m x 150 m

Ako naman nanaginip, ok na raw ang PNR operation sa Pinas. Wala nang squatter sa side ng tracks. Yung tipong puro puno ang makikita at wala nang polusyon. Well panaginip nga...

^^ Naku, youre one the guys were looking for... Very positive ang perception, nice...Welcome to the thread.. Hope you enjoy with us.. Thank you....

in my project i will propose to connect the espana station with the future lrt 4 station along espana, watcha think?

^^ That's a lot of worthy Nathan... As of now, we don't have any station that's really not far from each other.. I hope it's only a matter of walk before you can transfer to Southrail from LRT4. Nice idea and we support you for that project...

They are going at a rapid rate and not leaving much behind.
Not sure what become of Espana station as the demo typhoon went through but I always thought it was a perfect station to clean up and renovate as an example of an original PNR station. Probably done heaps of damage to it now.

Brad

At least some of the station will be repaired to its original appearance... And every thing will be modern like TV monitoring and digital screen for train schedules and unfied tickets for trains and buses...stuff like that....

^^ Ill be off for now guys, c you 2m... Tommorrow I like to talk and emphasize the design of Nathan to interconnect Southrail and LRT4... That would be the topic for 2m... Goodnight guys, hapi viewing to all.....:cheers:

^^ Ill be off for now guys, c you 2m... Tommorrow I like to talk and emphasize the design of Nathan to interconnect Southrail and LRT4... That would be the topic for 2m... Goodnight guys, hapi viewing to all.....:cheers:

im also thinking about the area of blumentritt station interconnecting with LRT 1 but the site of PNR is very small, only 25 meters x +/- 200 meters...row..tsk tsk.. bounded by antipolo and the other new antipolo streets..hmmm...

im also thinking about buendia station, what if the train stops at buendia, the train is much longer than the station, then dela rosa st. will be temporary be close till the train leaves the station?? is it much better if the train station in buendia be elevated? because the station there today is very small...

i also thinking about alabang to have a double platform..watcha think?... to avoid the jamp pack of passengers loading and unloading..

then i realize also that the sta mesa station is not accessible by other public transport...u will walk down the ramon magsaysay flyover b4 u can reach the station.. very creepy..(actually very far from Pureza Lrt 2 station about 300m +/- distance more or less..... or you could take old sta mesa road and turn right to teresa st. then walk...damn.. can i move the station up to teresa st??..no choice

pandacan is near beata st. accessible to transpo.. no problem..

thats all...

Ako naman nanaginip, ok na raw ang PNR operation sa Pinas. Wala nang squatter sa side ng tracks. Yung tipong puro puno ang makikita at wala nang polusyon. Well panaginip nga...

un din ang gusto ko.. they really need to plant trees beside the tracks to at least have a positive environmental impact.. another thing is that it'll at least keep children away from playing near the tracks, if they think fences are expensive why not just use trees..:)

un din ang gusto ko.. they really need to plant trees beside the tracks to at least have a positive environmental impact.. another thing is that it'll at least keep children away from playing near the tracks, if they think fences are expensive why not just use trees..:)

Landscaping is better. tpos put some MMda metro aides to maintain the area.. haha like they did at q. ave and roxas blvd. landscaping on the island.. anywei, they also should put fences, either cyclone wires or other to avoid another squatter infestation or trespassers and people who will suicide. I also propose that the whole line will be lighted as well as it will serve as a street light to the area. like the one in EDSA and MRT and have some cctv cameras and monitor the whole area..

Put some trees but chose the trees that will be put there, buffer trees that produce big leaf is much better.. so that the sweepers in the area will not have a very difficult task if the leaves are very small and many.

Trees should also be maintain and trim frequently in order to have a decent landscape, remember what happen when the typhoon Millenio struck MAnila and NCR, many trees have been uprooted because the trees are full of leaves, the winds is strong and can not penetrate the trees thats why they were blown away. and also to avoid tree falling along the whole line..Maintenance is a must

this is a former station in Paris where it was converted into a museum.. Preservation of old buildings is a must in our country

interior of the station
http://file.uploadr.com/10478-embed

another decor at the walls
http://file.uploadr.com/10479-embed

a miniature model
http://file.uploadr.com/1047a-embed

this is i want to happen in our future satelite cities like bonifacio global city and many more in the future.. big streets with full of trees..and have a subway and symmetrical lin up of buildings
http://file.uploadr.com/1047c-embed

^^ The possible interconnection of Espanya Station to LRT 4 Espanya Station will pave the way for the country to have the first interconnected stations. This is a must to public transport and any designs for this should be considered a lot of attention.

^^ This is my own plan for the planned LRT4 and PNR Espanya Stations Interconnection. As expected, Espanya Station of PNR will have an at grade platforms with 4 tracks to provide an accessiblity on all kinds of trains, be it commuter, rapid or express trains. On the other hand, the LRT4 also willhave an elevated platforms running parallel to Espanya St. There were also bridges to be made so that all of the passengers will have an easy access to both Upstreams and Downstreams trains. The PNR has 2 while LRT4 has one. In order to fasten the time it takes for the passengers to make a transfer, a suggests to implement a common ticketing scheme with common platform, meaning that as long as your inside the yellow colored portion of the station in the figure you can take any trains you like. The gate of LRT4 will also be the gate of PNR. This scheme is very common to our neighboring countries especially Japan and Taiwan. This is advantageous since the passenger need only to buy 1 ticket and he can now have an access to both PNR and LRT. In this way, passenger can save much time and energy...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1230/1343492471_7101dc7b03_o.jpg

there is also a possibility of that kind of link if the PNR blumentriit station will be move slightly towards the lrt1 blumentritt station... ok ba?hehe and clear also the squartter infestation in the area
link tlga..

Wos, i think its much better if the lrt station design will be like lrt 2... the upper floor will be the two platforms and the lower floor will be way to the other side, it also where the control area is located, the ticketing buffer, as well as some stores and ticket booths.. watcha think?

and also there is also a possiblity that it will be needing elevators for disabled persons, as part of the Accessibility Law

un din ang gusto ko.. they really need to plant trees beside the tracks to at least have a positive environmental impact.. another thing is that it'll at least keep children away from playing near the tracks, if they think fences are expensive why not just use trees..:)

^^ I think we have a possitive impact on this project trees.. I hope they will give emphasis on this... May Northrail can keep up with this proposal...

in my project i will propose to connect the espana station with the future lrt 4 station along espana, watcha think? although the site is so small, 30m x 150 m

^^ 150m long platform can already fit 6cars plus 1 loco... This is probably the very reason why the 30m must be repossed so that the station would have an access to Antipolo St. and the opposite St... Im sure they will do this since it is a very good access for both passengers and vehicles...

there is also a possibility of that kind of link if the PNR blumentriit station will be move slightly towards the lrt1 blumentritt station... ok ba?hehe and clear also the squartter infestation in the area
link tlga..

Wos, i think its much better if the lrt station design will be like lrt 2... the upper floor will be the two platforms and the lower floor will be way to the other side, it also where the control area is located, the ticketing buffer, as well as some stores and ticket booths.. watcha think?

and also there is also a possiblity that it will be needing elevators for disabled persons, as part of the Accessibility Law

^^ Oo nga pala nuh? That one in Bluementrit, we'll absolutely itataga ko ang ulo ko sa bato pag hindi nangyari yun...:lol: :lol: :lol: Definitely they will interconnect it.. You right baby, tama! If ever theres a place in this railway project that would a reality connection, that would be this place.. Anyway LRT4 is yet to start, sa Blumentrit gawa na LRT statin so ang Southrail Blumentrit Station na lang.... :okay:

Wos, i think its much better if the lrt station design will be like lrt 2... the upper floor will be the two platforms and the lower floor will be way to the other side, it also where the control area is located, the ticketing buffer, as well as some stores and ticket booths.. watcha think?

and also there is also a possiblity that it will be needing elevators for disabled persons, as part of the Accessibility Law

^^ Yup, that is exactly the plan, LRT2 system is the model for for more LRT Projects.. It must not only accessible to fitted but also for the diabled. Stores and ticket bending are all sure to be put inside.. But also one more addition, they must introduce an express service..

is there a chance to connect the LRT 2 pureza and PNR Sta mesa ? or 0% chance..hahaha.. almost 300 meter distance

the Magallanes Station of the Mrt3 and EDSA station of the PNR?... 0% also because of the Magallanes Interchange and the Skyway.. unless the MRT3 will be a subway, thats the chance of possibility of linking the 2 railway system.

im also thinking about the area of blumentritt station interconnecting with LRT 1 but the site of PNR is very small, only 25 meters x +/- 200 meters...row..tsk tsk.. bounded by antipolo and the other new antipolo streets..hmmm...

im also thinking about buendia station, what if the train stops at buendia, the train is much longer than the station, then dela rosa st. will be temporary be close till the train leaves the station?? is it much better if the train station in buendia be elevated? because the station there today is very small...

i also thinking about alabang to have a double platform..watcha think?... to avoid the jamp pack of passengers loading and unloading..

then i realize also that the sta mesa station is not accessible by other public transport...u will walk down the ramon magsaysay flyover b4 u can reach the station.. very creepy..(actually very far from Pureza Lrt 2 station about 300m +/- distance more or less..... or you could take old sta mesa road and turn right to teresa st. then walk...damn.. can i move the station up to teresa st??..no choice

pandacan is near beata st. accessible to transpo.. no problem..

thats all...

^^ Yup, that area should have 30m right of way, but any way 25m can still fit the 4 tracks maximum tracks...

Wos is it possible like this?
http://file.uploadr.com/10480-embed
i add some structures

is there a chance to connect the LRT 2 pureza and PNR Sta mesa ? or 0% chance..hahaha.. almost 300 meter distance

the Magallanes Station of the Mrt3 and EDSA station of the PNR?... 0% also because of the Magallanes Interchange and the Skyway.. unless the MRT3 will be a subway, thats the chance of possibility of linking the 2 railway system.

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Meron pa rin except that we will consume much much energy to transfer.. Imagine how far was that from LRT Pureza...Tssskkkk!!! Saltong Salto... hmmmm... But But But.. there's a future expansion possible for LRT2... I think LRT2 trains are designed for 2trains configuration... Meaning it can operated simultaeanous 2 trains attached with each other. If this happens, the LRT2 Pureza station together with all other LRT2 stations should extend their station flatforms towards Southrail direction by another 100meter... In the case, it becomes closer... haaay.... 300m - 200m, naku ang layo pa rin..:ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Wos is it possible like this?
http://file.uploadr.com/10480-embed
i add some structures

^^ hmmm.... pwede... I think so... can be? why? first of all PNR Stations Office itself has no more space if really this 4 tracks be realized. So they will tend to further look more space adjacent... This is good for mass climbing, I mean at peak hours this could be great help...

^^ In this figure I assume that PNR Blumentrit Station, would look like this.. Maximum usage of the 30meter ROW..

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1080/1344590438_ac4be3c3ea_o.jpg

^^ Nathan, how things going there at the Blumentrit portion, is there any demolishing development out there currently?

^^ Nathan, how things going there at the Blumentrit portion, is there any demolishing development out there currently?

not yet, only at espana-laong laan area... espana-sta mesa still have many squatters

not yet, only at espana-laong laan area... espana-sta mesa still have many squatters

^^ At least they are moving out there.. With regards to how fast they are doing it? I hope they can start the Espanya to Sta. Mesa and Laon Laan all the way to Tayuman...

in regards to yesterdays conversation about bus stops along PNR train stations,
i think there is a less chance of a bus stop at Sta. Mesa Station and at Alabang and also at Pandacan..

in regards to yesterdays conversation about bus stops along PNR train stations,
i think there is a less chance of a bus stop at Sta. Mesa Station and at Alabang and also at Pandacan..

^^ Organized Bus stops at the station would be a sort of just a pickup with limited time... along the Antipolo St. maybe 2 bus at a time..

not yet, only at espana-laong laan area... espana-sta mesa still have many squatters

^^ I think those houses from Espanya to Sta. Mesa and from Laon Laan to Tayuman are not so sturdy as compared to Antipolo Elites.... Madali lang itong giabain... i hope that they can fully clear that line before theend of September...

in regards to yesterdays conversation about bus stops along PNR train stations,
i think there is a less chance of a bus stop at Sta. Mesa Station and at Alabang and also at Pandacan..

^^ I think at least 1 bus slot one at a time only per station can suffice already suffice the needs of the passengers... I mean the only thing the passenger wants is comfort..

^^ I think those houses from Espanya to Sta. Mesa and from Laon Laan to Tayuman are not so sturdy as compared to Antipolo Elites.... Madali lang itong giabain... i hope that they can fully clear that line before theend of September...

ehem, although the ones in antipolo and algeciras are made of concrete, it is much more clean compare to the slums in blumentritt and near tondo, very kadiri..haha.. i have already passed that area many times na, but i still not get used to it, i hate when they burn wood for cooking and also i hate people who dont clean their surrounding, they dont have the slogan "TAPAT KO LINIS KO" OR LETS SAY "BAWAL MAGKALAT D2 MULTA 500":lol: :lol: :lol: ^^

ehem, although the ones in antipolo and algeciras are made of concrete, it is much more clean compare to the slums in blumentritt and near tondo, very kadiri..haha.. i have already passed that area many times na, but i still not get used to it, i hate when they burn wood for cooking and also i hate people who dont clean their surrounding, they dont have the slogan "TAPAT KO LINIS KO" OR LETS SAY "BAWAL MAGKALAT D2 MULTA 500":lol: :lol: :lol: ^^

^^ Sa palagay ko this concrete structures are still subject for demolition. The vice president himself confirms it that they are very much serious in the zero accident plan for PNR and besides they are gonna be needing it so badly... Saan natin ilalagay yung mga extra tracks.. 15 m ROW is sufficient only for 2 tracks..

^^ Actually this concrete slums are earning so much from businesses lik boarding and renting. Tingnan natin, baka cila lang matira dyan since from Sta. Mesa to Espanya Station, dapat clear and both sides of the streets likewise from Laon Laan to Tayuman.. Sila lang ang matitira and they have no right to remain..

in my project i will propose to connect the espana station with the future lrt 4 station along espana, watcha think? although the site is so small, 30m x 150 m

^^ The normal car length of the train varies between 20m to 22m for standard gauges and metre gauge... Although in the other countries, frequently reached 26m but for us 20m would be nominal.. So if you design a station can able to accomodate 6 DMU cars, then 6 x 20m + 10m allowance = 130 meters. You need to design a station with flatforms at least 130 meters long.... However you need to locate first the stations with limited, express and commuter stop.. If the Espanya station is intended for commuter stop only, you would normally design an short flatform but if theres a limited stop say Bicol Express, you wuold normally designed it as longer one depending how much car you will use..

^^ The normal car length of the train varies between 20m to 22m for standard gauges and metre gauge... Although in the other countries, frequently reached 26m but for us 20m would be nominal.. So if you design a station can able to accomodate 6 DMU cars, then 6 x 20m + 10m allowance = 130 meters. You need to design a station with flatforms at least 130 meters long....

how about the Buendia station WOS.. it is only 90 mts..

i will post some commuter station in France... this is the Lourdes Station , my mom went there..haha, i will share to our fellow forumsmen..
i know its out of the topic in our northrail southrail diiscussion but the design of the station can be applied here in our country..

some pics from france...

underpass can be applied in our stations to get to the other platform
http://file.uploadr.com/1048d-embed

ticket counter
http://file.uploadr.com/1048e-embed

inside the station
http://file.uploadr.com/1048f-embed

my mom
http://file.uploadr.com/10491-embed

the platforms
http://file.uploadr.com/10492-embed

my mom again.. is that a double deck train?
http://file.uploadr.com/10494-embed

one of the train cars
http://file.uploadr.com/10495-embed

inside the curve shed
http://file.uploadr.com/10497-embed

how about the Buendia station WOS.. it is only 90 mts..

^^ The plan for the new Buendia Station is to move southward and adjusted so that it can have more rooms to expand... Buendia will be a big station since all passeneger going makati would probably have their drop here. I expect Buendia should have a commuter and express stop...

i will post some commuter station in France... this is the Lourdes Station , my mom went there..haha, i will share to our fellow forumsmen..
i know its out of the topic in our northrail southrail diiscussion but the design of the station can be applied here in our country..

some pics from france...

underpass can be applied in our stations to get to the other platform


ticket counter


inside the station

^^ No need to worry Nathan, whatever it is it is always accepted here...

i will post some commuter station in France... this is the Lourdes Station , my mom went there..haha, i will share to our fellow forumsmen..
i know its out of the topic in our northrail southrail diiscussion but the design of the station can be applied here in our country..

some pics from france...

underpass can be applied in our stations to get to the other platform


ticket counter


inside the station

^^ I would like to know more about other nations railway stations since I was only limited to Japan Station designs... Normally kasi, Japanese Stations has the most practical approach to railway stations. Napaka simple ng mga stations nila and the way they're building it...

France will be a exiciting topic here.....:banana:

waaaa!!! gone for only 24 hours and we are already on Thread IV... need to do a lot of back reading. Anyway I'm going home again to Batangas, another chance for me to see whats new in the Taguig portion of the N-S link. :D

waaaa!!! gone for only 24 hours and we are already on Thread IV... need to do a lot of back reading. Anyway I'm going home again to Batangas, another chance for me to see whats new in the Taguig portion of the N-S link. :D

^^ Yes, were going to have a chance to view the FTI and Bicutan, Albang. Can you take a shots of it Chito right in your cellfone? I hope can get a clear shop.. I advice you to take the rightmost lane of the expressway on your way back home.. so you could get an unobstructed shot. :banana:

waaaa!!! gone for only 24 hours and we are already on Thread IV... need to do a lot of back reading. Anyway I'm going home again to Batangas, another chance for me to see whats new in the Taguig portion of the N-S link. :D

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Lagi ka ksing mag loggin. Sayang you've miss a lot of super nice discussion here. Pati yung perspective ng Malolos super station, namis mo rin ata... :lol: :lol: :lol: ... O cge, kasi mamimis ka rin namin... yung video at photos!!:nuts:

^^ I think this is exactly how the PNR stations would look like.. That flatform is an island platform.. See, its very simple only and not much costly... Remember guys were limited only to $50 fund for NS Linkage 1..

http://file.uploadr.com/10492-embed

^^ The advantage of this type of flatform roof design is that it can easily designed and manufactured...

http://file.uploadr.com/1048d-embed

^^ She is your Mom, I guess... Wow!!! Love na Love ka talaga ni mama u, imagine she went to paris just to give u a nice additional knowledge to train stations...:lol: :lol: :lol: Thanks a lot, Mom, from SSC fans....

http://file.uploadr.com/10491-embed

That large white roof over there is very interesting. I hope this could be the designed for Calamba and Alabang cause there might be a lot of tracks to be built there...

In the absence of over pass, we can use the level crossing like the top...

help help...

wat is much better??

this is the macro site
http://file.uploadr.com/104a8-embed

this is the current station approximately 90m x 30m
http://file.uploadr.com/104a5-embed

proposed site 1 south of the current station just after de la rosa st.
http://file.uploadr.com/104a6-embed

proposed site 2 north of current station before malugay street
http://file.uploadr.com/104a7-embed

which is much better??....

in my project i will propose to connect the espana station with the future lrt 4 station along espana, watcha think? although the site is so small, 30m x 150 m

The more interchanges between transport modes the better for both the PNR, the LRT and the general public.

Brad

At least some of the station will be repaired to its original appearance... And every thing will be modern like TV monitoring and digital screen for train schedules and unfied tickets for trains and buses...stuff like that....

WoS,
That is great news. When you look past the lack of care and maintenence, there are many lovely designs in those buildings. Espana was certainly one of these and a caring for this during the modernisation would be great.

That's a lot of worthy Nathan... As of now, we don't have any station that's really not far from each other.. I hope it's only a matter of walk before you can transfer to Southrail from LRT4. Nice idea and we support you for that project...

What would be wonderful is to draw up a plan of ideas and proposals and seek audience from the powers that be in order to convey these ideas.

Brad

help help...

wat is much better??

this is the macro site
http://file.uploadr.com/104a8-embed

this is the current station approximately 90m x 30m
http://file.uploadr.com/104a5-embed

proposed site 1 south of the current station just after de la rosa st.
http://file.uploadr.com/104a6-embed

proposed site 2 north of current station before malugay street
http://file.uploadr.com/104a7-embed

which is much better??....

^^ I think either of the proposed 1 and 2 is better as long as it can freely move without hazzle. Anyway we can sacrifice the de la rosa st. This is only a minor street...

^^ I think we have a lot of station with a very short stations. I think if PNR did not have bad experience with this before using 4 trains, then we can expect that we can emprove it more when it operates..

im also thinking about the area of blumentritt station interconnecting with LRT 1

im also thinking about buendia station, what if the train stops at buendia, the train is much longer than the station, then dela rosa st. will be temporary be close till the train leaves the station??

i also thinking about alabang to have a double platform..watcha think?... to avoid the jamp pack of passengers loading and unloading..

then i realize also that the sta mesa station is not accessible by other public transport...u will walk down the ramon magsaysay flyover b4 u can reach the station.. very creepy..(actually very far from Pureza Lrt 2 station about 300m +/- distance more or less..... or you could take old sta mesa road and turn right to teresa st. then walk...damn.. can i move the station up to teresa st??..no choice

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Hi Nathan,
I have often wondered why Blumentritt and the LRT station were never linked. When the squatters have been removed there would be more than enough room to achieve this somehow.

Buendia: Is there a crossing at both ends of this station? I remember one on the Manila side but can't recal the other.
If the train blocks the crossing it would only be for a minute at a time, a passing freight train could possibly delay it longer.
Besides, delaying the traffic will nly make transport usage more attractive :lol:
I don't feel a need for elevation here is needed.

Alabang: When they double track it will be two platforms anyway.

Sta Mesa: Possibly a very good idea and one that should be conveyed to the government before it has progressed to far.

Regards
Brad

un din ang gusto ko.. they really need to plant trees beside the tracks to at least have a positive environmental impact.. another thing is that it'll at least keep children away from playing near the tracks, if they think fences are expensive why not just use trees..:)

I fully agree that landscaping sould be undertaken. It could be a great way to raise the image of the railways. Of course this should only be limited to metro areas.
I don't see how trees could be used to keep kids off tracks though, they could walk between them.

Brad

Hi Nathan,
I have often wondered why Blumentritt and the LRT station were never linked. When the squatters have been removed there would be more than enough room to achieve this somehow.

Buendia: Is there a crossing at both ends of this station? I remember one on the Manila side but can't recal the other.
If the train blocks the crossing it would only be for a minute at a time, a passing freight train could possibly delay it longer.
Besides, delaying the traffic will nly make transport usage more attractive :lol:
I don't feel a need for elevation here is needed.

Alabang: When they double track it will be two platforms anyway.

Sta Mesa: Possibly a very good idea and one that should be conveyed to the government before it has progressed to far.

Regards
Brad

^^ In Japan, Ive seen mostly flatforms within 2 major roads. Most of the trains are 8cars... and exactly these 8 cars fit into the flatform. So every time there is a train the 2 crossing will be closed regardless of the time it takes for the train to pick up passengers.. Japan government really have a high priority to railways over the rest of the transport modes there.

^^ The possible interconnection of Espanya Station to LRT 4 Espanya Station will pave the way for the country to have the first interconnected stations. This is a must to public transport and any designs for this should be considered a lot of attention.


The problem is they also need a type of cross mode ticketing system to make this sort of idea a complete success.
It would make the changing of modes more attractive and help ease endless ticket queues, something that has been plaguing MTR/LRT systems in recent times.

Brad

there is also a possibility of that kind of link if the PNR blumentriit station will be move slightly towards the lrt1 blumentritt station... ok ba?hehe and clear also the squartter infestation in the area
link tlga..

Wos, i think its much better if the lrt station design will be like lrt 2... the upper floor will be the two platforms and the lower floor will be way to the other side, it also where the control area is located, the ticketing buffer, as well as some stores and ticket booths.. watcha think?

and also there is also a possiblity that it will be needing elevators for disabled persons, as part of the Accessibility Law

Perhaps a travelator is the answer should Blumentritt remain where it is?
It is also suitable for wheelchair access.

Brad

how many tracks and station can fit in a 60m row? i plan alabang to be 60m x 170m facing montillano st. is that ok? or it needs additional space?

how many tracks and station can fit in a 60m row? i plan alabang to be 60m x 170m facing montillano st. is that ok? or it needs additional space?

^^ At least 300m to provide enough parking for vehicles and other stuffs...

^^ This is my own idea about the flatform formation of Alabang PNR Station. I have spare tracks so that the commuter train up to Alabang could be park for or a while awaiting for the go signal... The station must also have parking spaces for vehicles, at least for a few and have an optional station office either elevated or at grade...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1137/1345541396_dd4ccc038f_o.jpg

how will u put a parking if the site is like this??btw WOS which way there in the illustration is going to manila?
this pic below is the actual map?is there a space for parking?

ALABANG STATION
http://file.uploadr.com/104af-embed

i cant follow the threads anymore.. they are moving too fast... haha..

i cant follow the threads anymore.. they are moving too fast... haha..

It's gone MAGLEV! :nuts:

^^ In Japan, Ive seen mostly flatforms within 2 major roads. Most of the trains are 8cars... and exactly these 8 cars fit into the flatform. So every time there is a train the 2 crossing will be closed regardless of the time it takes for the train to pick up passengers.. Japan government really have a high priority to railways over the rest of the transport modes there.

This is great to see.
Although I have not yet been there, I am told the Chinese are incredibly pro-rail themselves. They are forever doing new works, extentions, amplifications etc.
I wish we were the same down here. :(

Cheers
Brad
** Still a bit cloudy after last nights Filipino wedding party. It was a big one and they have asked me to go back today (which I obviously accepted). Got to go to work at 10pm, so this will be a long, hard day :cheers: :lol:

^^ This is my own idea about the flatform formation of Alabang PNR Station. I have spare tracks so that the commuter train up to Alabang could be park for or a while awaiting for the go signal... The station must also have parking spaces for vehicles, at least for a few and have an optional station office either elevated or at grade...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1137/1345541396_dd4ccc038f_o.jpg

Actually an awesome concept mate.
If Alabang is to remain the terminating point for the more intnse operations then those two dead end sidings would be well used to stable two sets overnight for early return services the next morning.
This would allow for early all stations services and allow intercity (Calamba) and long distance stuff the ability of express running through to Tutuban without needing to serve these intermediate stations.

Brad