how will u put a parking if the site is like this??btw WOS which way there in the illustration is going to manila?
this pic below is the actual map?is there a space for parking?

ALABANG STATION
http://file.uploadr.com/104af-embed

Manila in this illustration is directly upwards Nathan, ie towards Sucat.
This is such a busy location with limited room.
It was once said to me that park and drive services would not work in Manila, but would perhaps work further out. I am not totally sure why this is the case, I thought it would be a great idea. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact the short distances aren't viable and the time to drive longer ones in Manila make it worthwhile going in the other direction to their their destination.

Brad

Actually an awesome concept mate.
If Alabang is to remain the terminating point for the more intnse operations then those two dead end sidings would be well used to stable two sets overnight for early return services the next morning.
This would allow for early all stations services and allow intercity (Calamba) and long distance stuff the ability of express running through to Tutuban without needing to serve these intermediate stations.

Brad

^^ ^^ Hi Guys!!! Hello, got a cold last night, a severe one...:lol: :lol: ^^

Actually an awesome concept mate.
If Alabang is to remain the terminating point for the more intnse operations then those two dead end sidings would be well used to stable two sets overnight for early return services the next morning.
This would allow for early all stations services and allow intercity (Calamba) and long distance stuff the ability of express running through to Tutuban without needing to serve these intermediate stations.

Brad

Brad,

Thank you so much for the appreciation. Actually I don't know if the crossovers and turnouts are properly placed in order but at least in my design, my intention is that the trains must all have an access with all of the tracks specially when it needs to. My design also allows limited and express trains to stop and pass by. I have also an extra tracks for park trains waiting for a turn to pick up passengers at the opposite flatforms. In case of accidents, I have vacant slots and diversion techniques. Although this may not work properly but I hope we could design again the more appropriate for this station..

This is great to see.
Although I have not yet been there, I am told the Chinese are incredibly pro-rail themselves. They are forever doing new works, extentions, amplifications etc.
I wish we were the same down here. :(

Cheers
Brad
** Still a bit cloudy after last nights Filipino wedding party. It was a big one and they have asked me to go back today (which I obviously accepted). Got to go to work at 10pm, so this will be a long, hard day :cheers: :lol:


Brad,

It really great to see these trains specially when in very narrow ROW. In Japan, I always see narrow ROW and ask why trains can running efficiently.. The perfect answer for this is that aside of being high tech in most trade, the people there are well educated and desciplined to railways safety and protection.

Thom,

how will u put a parking if the site is like this??btw WOS which way there in the illustration is going to manila?
this pic below is the actual map?is there a space for parking?

ALABANG STATION
http://file.uploadr.com/104af-embed


Nathan,

That would be approxiamately 300m.. Yup, candidate for a good and nice station...

how will u put a parking if the site is like this??btw WOS which way there in the illustration is going to manila?
this pic below is the actual map?is there a space for parking?

ALABANG STATION
http://file.uploadr.com/104af-embed


Nathan,

That would be approxiamately 300m.. Yup, candidate for a good and nice station...

Thom

waaaa!!! gone for only 24 hours and we are already on Thread IV... need to do a lot of back reading. Anyway I'm going home again to Batangas, another chance for me to see whats new in the Taguig portion of the N-S link. :D


^^ Hello Chit's, do we have an update to the FTI railtracks as you've promised yesterday?....

^^ With regards to Northrail, I think the type of viaduct that they will use for the Clark Spur Line will utilize piers just like what the MRT and LRT's using. This is would be helpful since they will be crossing the entire width of Subic-Clark Expressway. This will be probably 2 tracks also... Subic line as of this moment has still no confirmation about the location of the starpoint from the Northrail Mainline.

Good day Railway people! :D

Bad news.. I wasn't able to get a picture of the Biñan station as promised. I didn't went to San Pedro yesterday. Instead went to Cavite. Sorry about that. :(

I tried taking a pic of the area around the San Pablo station but unfortunately the resulting photo showed only a bright white light(I used the camera of my phone. I forgot to change the settings to outdoor..)..

^^ ^^ Hi Guys!!! Hello, got a cold last night, a severe one...:lol: :lol: ^^

Sorry to hear this. A mate in Alabang also has a bad one.
Must be a bit of it going around.
Get better soon.
Brad

Brad,

Thank you so much for the appreciation. Actually I don't know if the crossovers and turnouts are properly placed in order but at least in my design, my intention is that the trains must all have an access with all of the tracks specially when it needs to. ..


Yeah, this is ultimately the best idea for flexibility, you never know what may come up to require use of strange platfroms to what is considered normal.
A failed train in the Manila bound platform may result in the train behind needing to use the Bicol side etc.

Brad

Nathan,

That would be approxiamately 300m.. Yup, candidate for a good and nice station...

Thom

It will be interesting to see how they approach it all.
I suppose the big question is whether or not Alabang will remain the main terminus for metro services or if it is taken a little further, perhaps even Carmona.
At the moment, the time taken to Alabang makes a longer metro journey unfeasable, but with the faster speeds perhaps San Pedro and Carmona are more likely for the main body of metro services.
Should this happen I suppose the importance of Alabang may be substancially diminished.
Ultimately it all comes down to whether or not they have done any research into times and possible patronage.
Exciting times ahead.

Brad

It will be interesting to see how they approach it all.
I suppose the big question is whether or not Alabang will remain the main terminus for metro services or if it is taken a little further, perhaps even Carmona.
At the moment, the time taken to Alabang makes a longer metro journey unfeasable, but with the faster speeds perhaps San Pedro and Carmona are more likely for the main body of metro services.
Should this happen I suppose the importance of Alabang may be substancially diminished.
Ultimately it all comes down to whether or not they have done any research into times and possible patronage.
Exciting times ahead.

Brad

il try to take photos and visit the tutuban - alabang area, sory last week i didnt have time, maybe this week i can get an update.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4336/frenchtrainthanksphilss8.jpg

Are the train tracks for our Northrail/Southrail trains support double deck trains?It might make train rides cheaper for our middle & lower class clients.
Thereby making sure the trains earn money,therefore make businessmen pay attention to doing business in our transport system,(specifically on trains).

il try to take photos and visit the tutuban - alabang area, sory last week i didnt have time, maybe this week i can get an update.

^^ That would be so much rewarding Nathan, keep going cause we really need these updates....

^^ I really like that plans of Northrail to use biodiesel as their oil for the train operations.. It will boost their operation since biodiesel is quite cheaper and can only be sourced locally... It comes from a plant Jathropa which is currently being promoted by the government to help our poor agricultural sector. Once Jathropa matures, we can get as much as 2.5 tons of oil per hectare of Jathropa. I don't know if how much oil does Northrail trains will consume for every kilometer, but using fuel locally produced will even more justified the operation of Northrail...

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4336/frenchtrainthanksphilss8.jpg

Are the train tracks for our Northrail/Southrail trains support double deck trains?It might make train rides cheaper for our middle & lower class clients.
Thereby making sure the trains earn money,therefore make businessmen pay attention to doing business in our transport system,(specifically on trains).

^^ I guess so, we are about to replace the old 32kg/m rail by 50kg/m which is also the same as the one being used above assuring that the our railways can also handle very heavy loads like double decker cars. Japan has a lot of double decker cars so we have also better chance of using it without much troubles...

It will be interesting to see how they approach it all.
I suppose the big question is whether or not Alabang will remain the main terminus for metro services or if it is taken a little further, perhaps even Carmona.
At the moment, the time taken to Alabang makes a longer metro journey unfeasable, but with the faster speeds perhaps San Pedro and Carmona are more likely for the main body of metro services.
Should this happen I suppose the importance of Alabang may be substancially diminished.
Ultimately it all comes down to whether or not they have done any research into times and possible patronage.
Exciting times ahead.

Brad


^^ I think for starters while phase 2 of linkage is underway, Alabang might be a termporary terminus. After the completion I guess, the revival of Carmona line would be so important and can extend their terminus beyond Alabang. I think Carmona and Calamba should be the best choice since they are all lies at the other edge... For an hourly commuter trip would be to Lucena terminus...

Good day Railway people! :D

Bad news.. I wasn't able to get a picture of the Biñan station as promised. I didn't went to San Pedro yesterday. Instead went to Cavite. Sorry about that. :(

I tried taking a pic of the area around the San Pablo station but unfortunately the resulting photo showed only a bright white light(I used the camera of my phone. I forgot to change the settings to outdoor..)..


^^ It's ok and when you have time again, can you make a shot to the Tayuman area where continous demolition of structures are underway. It's nice to see how they clean those areas....

il try to take photos and visit the tutuban - alabang area, sory last week i didnt have time, maybe this week i can get an update.

Hi Nathan,
Certainly always appreciated whenever you have the chance.
We understand that you get busy.

Best wishes
Brad

^^ I guess so, we are about to replace the old 32kg/m rail by 50kg/m which is also the same as the one being used above assuring that the our railways can also handle very heavy loads like double decker cars. Japan has a lot of double decker cars so we have also better chance of using it without much troubles...


Indiobravo,
I outlined the other problems, mostly loading gauge reasons, about a week ago. May be in 'Northrail-Southrail Thread III'.

Brad

^^ I think for starters while phase 2 of linkage is underway, Alabang might be a termporary terminus. After the completion I guess, the revival of Carmona line would be so important and can extend their terminus beyond Alabang. I think Carmona and Calamba should be the best choice since they are all lies at the other edge... For an hourly commuter trip would be to Lucena terminus...

I wonder, should the Carmona line even be up for rebuild, if it also will become double track?

Cheers
Brad

I wonder, should the Carmona line even be up for rebuild, if it also will become double track?

Cheers
Brad


Help me out guys, I'm lost here... 5 pages added in 2 days!

Well I guess the Carmona line should be given importance...

Carmona and the surrounding areas within Cavite province basically consist of residential and processing zones. Therefore a commuter and cargo line is very much feasible.

If it can be extended up to Dasmarinas then it would be great! Dasmarinas is home to a lot of economic zones and a bulk of subdivisions for people working in Manila/Makati/Alabang/Quezon City...

I wonder, should the Carmona line even be up for rebuild, if it also will become double track?

Cheers
Brad


Brad...

What do you think... I hope they will emphasize this beautiful name.. ever...:lol: :lol: But if it leads to the future development of Cavite, why not.. Remember Cavite had no railway line after the abandon of Naic Line... Any extension of Carmona line would definitely give an economic effect to the areas...

WoS...

Help me out guys, I'm lost here... 5 pages added in 2 days!

Well I guess the Carmona line should be given importance...

Carmona and the surrounding areas within Cavite province basically consist of residential and processing zones. Therefore a commuter and cargo line is very much feasible.

If it can be extended up to Dasmarinas then it would be great! Dasmarinas is home to a lot of economic zones and a bulk of subdivisions for people working in Manila/Makati/Alabang/Quezon City...

^^ Based on my study and analysis of the place near Carmona, there are lot of industrial zones out there.. Maybe the Marcos regime that time know it and planned for that area to be industrialized. But I don't think it just ended there. Even mass housing is starting to sprout.. Check it out at google earth...

^^ Im' positive that Carmona Rebuild will not take so long and priority will be given before PGMA steps down...

Indiobravo,
I outlined the other problems, mostly loading gauge reasons, about a week ago. May be in 'Northrail-Southrail Thread III'.

Brad

^^ Yup, maybe also for the laoding gauge. Brad, how do you see a 3.3 mter width rolling stocks in a cape gauge railroad?.. Isn't it nice or we just stick to 2.8 m to 3 m width? In Britain I think they have a narrow width rolling stocks... Is that how they follow the loading gauge?

Another Bad News people! The asawa and I went home last Saturday, as we are about to board the bus home I told her that i'd be borrowing her phone coz its a cam phone (mine's still in Japan on training/vacation!) for the shots of the Taguig area. Would you believe, it has the makings of a perfect shot due to the traffic in the SLEX the bus is running at around 10kph and the phone DIED!!! :bash: waaaaa battery empty! :cry: :cry: :cry:

I fell asleep on our manila bound trip the next day coz i was really tired! :bash:

I'm really sorry guys! but from what i saw, the FTI station is being demolished I can only see the foundations and the roofs gone. Also I've noticed an decrease in the number of home along the riles since my last trip home.

Will try to make "bawi" next time

Another Bad News people! The asawa and I went home last Saturday, as we are about to board the bus home I told her that i'd be borrowing her phone coz its a cam phone (mine's still in Japan on training/vacation!) for the shots of the Taguig area. Would you believe, it has the makings of a perfect shot due to the traffic in the SLEX the bus is running at around 10kph and the phone DIED!!! :bash: waaaaa battery empty! :cry: :cry: :cry:

I fell asleep on our manila bound trip the next day coz i was really tired! :bash:

I'm really sorry guys! but from what i saw, the FTI station is being demolished I can only see the foundations and the roofs gone. Also I've noticed an decrease in the number of home along the riles since my last trip home.

Will try to make "bawi" next time

^^ Ayaaannnnaaaa.... hmmmm.... Amoy na amoy ka na ang FTI.. update!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: dali!!! i post na please.....

^^ Based on my study and analysis of the place near Carmona, there are lot of industrial zones out there.. Maybe the Marcos regime that time know it and planned for that area to be industrialized. But I don't think it just ended there. Even mass housing is starting to sprout.. Check it out at google earth...

I believe these Cavite Economic zones were mostly established during Ramos administration (mid to late 90's... The bulk of the Eco-zones together with the residential areas are on the Eastern and Northern part of Cavite (Cavite City, Bacoor, Rosario, Imus, Dasmarinas, Carmona).

During Marcos' time, perhaps he conceptualized Naic to have a main container port (in lieu of the Manila North & South Harbor), thus the Naic PNR line... Naic can be considered belonging to the Western part of Cavite facing the South East Asia Sea (formerly South China Sea:lol:)... Naic could have been what Subic Freeport looks today. During Marcos era Subic was still a US military base.

^^ This is the Carmona Line highlighted by the red thick line from the Main Line South with yellow thick line...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/1352875585_fe71a3d6ba_o.jpg

I believe these Cavite Economic zones were mostly established during Ramos administration (mid to late 90's... The bulk of the Eco-zones together with the residential areas are on the Eastern and Northern part of Cavite (Cavite City, Bacoor, Rosario, Imus, Dasmarinas, Carmona).

During Marcos' time, perhaps he conceptualized Naic to have a main container port (in lieu of the Manila North & South Harbor), thus the Naic PNR line... Naic can be considered belonging to the Western part of Cavite facing the South East Asia Sea (formerly South China Sea:lol:)...


^^ My goodness, sayang yung Naic Line... Biruin nyo, 60 kms na ROW... It we could only take good care of it, then we could have a well established railroad system in Cavite, now!!!

^^ We'll it could be like that purpose of containerizing the Naic Port, certainly COSCO would also utilized that line.... tsskkk tssskkkk..... Can we still repossess it ... What do you think...

Another Bad News people! The asawa and I went home last Saturday, as we are about to board the bus home I told her that i'd be borrowing her phone coz its a cam phone (mine's still in Japan on training/vacation!) for the shots of the Taguig area. Would you believe, it has the makings of a perfect shot due to the traffic in the SLEX the bus is running at around 10kph and the phone DIED!!! :bash: waaaaa battery empty! :cry: :cry: :cry:

I fell asleep on our manila bound trip the next day coz i was really tired! :bash:

I'm really sorry guys! but from what i saw, the FTI station is being demolished I can only see the foundations and the roofs gone. Also I've noticed an decrease in the number of home along the riles since my last trip home.

Will try to make "bawi" next time

^^ tsskkkk tssskkkk.. it's too bad you failed... i mean the Cell Phone failed...:lol: :lol: :lol:

^^ The topic alone for that FTI station could move this thread by 10 pages... ngek!!!! ha ha ha... :lol: :lol: :lol: Anong meron sa FTI?

^^ We'll it could be like that purpose of containerizing the Naic Port, certainly COSCO would also utilized that line.... tsskkk tssskkkk..... Can we still repossess it ... What do you think...

Ask Hon. Sen. Manny Villar... his company owns a lot of subdivisions in Cavite :lol:...

Ask Hon. Sen. Manny Villar... his company owns a lot of subdivisions in Cavite :lol:...

^^ Naku!!! wag na..... tssskkkkk tsssskkkkk..... kaya pala nagkawawala mga ROW ay dahil sa.... hmmm mmmmm.... di kaya dati slum din sya?...Basta't may sipag at tyaga, Kaya natin to!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

^^ the current station (the one visible from SLEX) i believe will be gone soon! probably they are removing it because they will move the station to the FTI Complex area.

^^ This is the Carmona Line highlighted by the red thick line from the Main Line South with yellow thick line...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/1352875585_fe71a3d6ba_o.jpg

@WoS

The area around your red line is basically still part of Binan, Laguna. It is north of Southwoods, while Carmona is on the south of Southwoods :) ...

I can see that if they extend that Carmona line, it will end up in Gen. Mariano Alvarez town (Cavite) which sits next to Dasmarinas, Cavite.

Could you also show us the original Naic line?

^^ Naic line with almost 60km alignment from Paco Manila with blue thick line. Mainline South with yellow line and Carmona Spur Line with red line.....:banana: :banana: :banana:


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1215/1352923459_554196d0c8_o.jpg

Oh my!!! I forgot the COSCO thing.....

^^ Thanks@WoS!

Was the Naic line operational at some point in the past? Wow, this could have been a viable line since a lot of people reside in these areas at present. Not to mention the Eco-zone at Rosario...

Am I fast? This is the COSCO thing... How can we connect it since Cosco is a bunch of container business to the Main Line.....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1104/1352935369_cf3847e09f_o.jpg

^^ Thanks@WoS!

Was the Naic line operational at some point in the past? Wow, this could have been a viable line since a lot of people reside in these areas at present. Not to mention the Eco-zone at Rosario...

^^ Well definitely a super viable line after all.... tsskss...tssskkkk... Too bad really bad we could'nt make... It hope that there must a rehab... The original line was branched at Paco Station but was cut by the NAIA... The line thereafter can still be acquired depending on the status...

^^ Is COSCO Cavite City/Sangley already approved? I thought they were choosing between Sangley and Naic?

I hope they'd rather choose Naic as their site. The area around Cavite City/Sangley is quite crowded. If the blue line (to Naic) can no longer be rehabilitated, then the red line (from Carmona) can be developed and extended all the way to Naic...

^^ Is COSCO Cavite City/Sangley already approved? I thought they were choosing between Sangley and Naic?

I hope they'd rather choose Naic as their site. The area around Cavite City/Sangley is quite crowded. If the blue line (to Naic) can no longer be rehabilitated, then the red line (from Carmona) can be developed and extended all the way to Naic...

^^ I think the Torn between two lovers was Sangley and Subic... But If I were to choose, Im in for Naic.... Their plan was probably two spooling point, one for uploading and one for downloading... What do you think?

^^ Im sure COSCO will utilize railways.... Perhaps they are also parcipated in the other Chinese Projects here like LABART, that's why they were eying Mauban for eastern boad opening....

^^ the current station (the one visible from SLEX) i believe will be gone soon! probably they are removing it because they will move the station to the FTI Complex area.

^^ Ahem... Perhaps the government has announce already that they will set up an intermodal transport terminal at FTI.. Yup I think, they will permanently removed it..

^^ Is COSCO Cavite City/Sangley already approved? I thought they were choosing between Sangley and Naic?

I hope they'd rather choose Naic as their site. The area around Cavite City/Sangley is quite crowded. If the blue line (to Naic) can no longer be rehabilitated, then the red line (from Carmona) can be developed and extended all the way to Naic...


^^ I don't know much about the latest of the COSCO, but what I know is that they will divide their terminal here into to two... The other along Subic and Clark Expressway and Sangley... Very very possible that they will utilized railway as their primary land transport mode... The PNR is also preparing for possible future line depending on the investors location..

^^ I think the Torn between two lovers was Sangley and Subic... But If I were to choose, Im in for Naic.... Their plan was probably two spooling point, one for uploading and one for downloading... What do you think?

Naic, if ever chosen will be best for loading and unloading since it can serve Eco-zones within Cavite and parts of Laguna (Binan, Sta. Rosa) as shown on your maps... IMO the Carmona spur line could be extended more easily to Naic, compared to Paco-Cavite City spur line...

Naic, if ever chosen will be best for loading and unloading since it can serve Eco-zones within Cavite and parts of Laguna (Binan, Sta. Rosa) as shown on your maps... IMO the Carmona spur line could be extended more easily to Naic, compared to Paco-Cavite City spur line...


^^ Naic will definitely be a good choice. Aside from being near to Cavite industrial areas, it's also has a port and actually every ships passes here before proceeding to Manila. Therefore Naic can greatly enhanced the economic activity of the neighboring areas. I hope that Cavite Express way could be extended up to this point....

^^ I don't know much about the latest of the COSCO, but what I know is that they will divide their terminal here into to two... The other along Subic and Clark Expressway and Sangley... Very very possible that they will utilized railway as their primary land transport mode... The PNR is also preparing for possible future line depending on the investors location..

If COSCO will invest a port in Subic (South China Sea), then their other investment would probably be in the Pacific Ocean side (Infanta/Mauban).

In the future, when all railroads are completed (LABART & Batangas spur line), the Eco-Zones in Cavite, Laguna and Batangas would use the ports of Batangas (for South China sea) and Infanta/Mauban (for Pacific Ocean).

A lot of "if's" must be answered first before this could come true... :lol:

^^ Naic will definitely be a good choice. Aside from being near to Cavite industrial areas, it's also has a port and actually every ships passes here before proceeding to Manila. Therefore Naic can greatly enhanced the economic activity of the neighboring areas. I hope that Cavite Express way could be extended up to this point....

In terms of expressways, there are 2 plans within Cavite:
1. North-South Expressway (Bacoor to Dasmarinas/Silang, almost parallel to Aguinaldo hi-way)
2. East-West Expressway (Naic to Carmona/Binan, passing south of Governor's Drive)

If the Carmona spur rail line could be extended up to Dasmarinas/Gen. Trias, together with these expressways, then Cavite province could very well be a fully industrialized province!

Calling all investors... :)

If COSCO will invest a port in Subic (South China Sea), then their other investment would probably be in the Pacific Ocean side (Infanta/Mauban).

In the future, when all railroads are completed (LABART & Batangas spur line), the Eco-Zones in Cavite, Laguna and Batangas would use the ports of Batangas (for South China sea) and Infanta/Mauban (for Pacific Ocean).

A lot of "if's" must be answered first before this could come true... :lol:

^^ We have to answer it. That's why, the government now is initializing the first phase of the project..because of theres a need now and for the future.. Dapat nga hindi na talaga idibate and mga ganito. In some other countries, like in Malaysia, actually wala naman gumagamit masyado ng mga expressway at railways pero bakit gumawa cila.. I guess in order to protect their investors not to go away.... I guess the government has already masterplan for now and for the future..

In terms of expressways, there are 2 plans within Cavite:
1. North-South Expressway (Bacoor to Dasmarinas/Silang, almost parallel to Aguinaldo hi-way)
2. East-West Expressway (Naic to Carmona/Binan, passing south of Governor's Drive)

If the Carmona spur rail line could be extended up to Dasmarinas/Gen. Trias, together with these expressways, then Cavite province could very well be a fully industrialized province!

Calling all investors... :)

Yup, that's true... I guess the second one has already same proposal.. I think it was the extension of C6 from south expressway to Cavite...

Sana extend and Carmona... Nakikita ko benificial eto sa mga industrial centers especially those working in Cavite Zones...

If the Southrail to Legaspi could be finished on time (2012?), perhaps COSCO would rather invest a port here for Pacific Ocean operations... and maintain Subic for its South China Sea operations...

Considering the current projects, then let's say in year 2012, some manufacturing facilities in Carmona and Binan will export their products to the US or Japan:
Option A: using the Manila South Harbor (through South Luzon expressway)
Option B: using the newly developed Legazpi, Albay container port (through Southrail)

Which is much feasible? Is developing a container terminal at Legazpi be worth the cost?

^^ This is the Carmona Line highlighted by the red thick line from the Main Line South with yellow thick line...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/1352875585_fe71a3d6ba_o.jpg

LOL, I can see my house from there

Help me out guys, I'm lost here... 5 pages added in 2 days!

Well I guess the Carmona line should be given importance...

If it can be extended up to Dasmarinas then it would be great! Dasmarinas is home to a lot of economic zones and a bulk of subdivisions for people working in Manila/Makati/Alabang/Quezon City...


:lol: The pages add up quick.

How far is Carmona from Dasmarinas?
Brad

^^ Yup, maybe also for the laoding gauge. Brad, how do you see a 3.3 mter width rolling stocks in a cape gauge railroad?.. Isn't it nice or we just stick to 2.8 m to 3 m width? In Britain I think they have a narrow width rolling stocks... Is that how they follow the loading gauge?

Wheels,
I am almost certain the double deck could be used there if the large amount of clearance work was done. I have heard of examples of large American locomotives being utilized on 3ft6, so a double deck train would have to be feasable.
Of course it would be a cost with wider stock, moving bridges etc.
Britain has the most restrictive loading gauge. While Australia's is small compared to America, it is large compared to Britain.

Im' positive that Carmona Rebuild will not take so long and priority will be given before PGMA steps down...

From what I understand it is just a damaged bridge that has caused the line to close. Not many bridges on the line from the photos I have seen.

Brad

^^ tsskkkk tssskkkk.. it's too bad you failed... i mean the Cell Phone failed...:lol: :lol: :lol:

It must be a worldwide phenomenon that mobile phone batteries dies when you most want them.
Happens to me all the time. :lol:

Brad

:lol: The pages add up quick.

How far is Carmona from Dasmarinas?
Brad

Recycling WoS' picture...
The Industrial and residential towns of Cavite: Gen. Trias, Dasmarinas, Gen. Mariano Alvarez:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9375/zzeg0.jpg

If the Southrail to Legaspi could be finished on time (2012?), perhaps COSCO would rather invest a port here for Pacific Ocean operations... and maintain Subic for its South China Sea operations...

Considering the current projects, then let's say in year 2012, some manufacturing facilities in Carmona and Binan will export their products to the US or Japan:
Option A: using the Manila South Harbor (through South Luzon expressway)
Option B: using the newly developed Legazpi, Albay container port (through Southrail)

Which is much feasible? Is developing a container terminal at Legazpi be worth the cost?

^^ It it really warrants the use of low cost container hauling from Sangley to Legazpi than building a new line to Mauban, why not... I think that's is the main reason why they really moving south, priority rules...

LOL, I can see my house from there

^^ You probably have a big house....:lol: :lol: :lol: or very sharp eye!!!! :lol: What can you say about it, the Camona Railway extension....

^^ Well definitely a super viable line after all.... tsskss...tssskkkk... Too bad really bad we could'nt make... It hope that there must a rehab... The original line was branched at Paco Station but was cut by the NAIA... The line thereafter can still be acquired depending on the status...

This line would be great had it been kept till now. Still it woulld be great to reactivate it now.
Funnily enough I was on the road that was this line about 6 times on th recent trip and didn't even realise :-(
Apparently if you follow the old line closely you can still see remains of the trackage.

Brad

:lol: The pages add up quick.

How far is Carmona from Dasmarinas?
Brad

^^ I think 15km, more or less...

Recycling WoS' picture...
The Industrial and residential towns of Cavite: Gen. Trias, Dasmarinas, Gen. Mariano Alvarez:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9375/zzeg0.jpg

^^ Sorry guys, I overshoot the red carmona line.. It appears that it is a little bit longer...

Recycling WoS' picture...
The Industrial and residential towns of Cavite: Gen. Trias, Dasmarinas, Gen. Mariano Alvarez:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9375/zzeg0.jpg

Thats rather feasable isn't it. Not very far for them to go.

Brad

Wheels,
I am almost certain the double deck could be used there if the large amount of clearance work was done. I have heard of examples of large American locomotives being utilized on 3ft6, so a double deck train would have to be feasable.
Of course it would be a cost with wider stock, moving bridges etc.
Britain has the most restrictive loading gauge. While Australia's is small compared to America, it is large compared to Britain.



From what I understand it is just a damaged bridge that has caused the line to close. Not many bridges on the line from the photos I have seen.

Brad

Brad,

Many thanks for the answers. This is the reason why I really love Japanese rolling stocks be it new and second hands but more chances of being second hand.. The loading gauge are so nice that you can't really notice the railways appears to be narrow because all their trains are well designed though they are using cape gauge similar to us...

WoS...

Thats rather feasable isn't it. Not very far for them to go.

Brad


^^ Those towns encircled have a densed population and can be served by a railway system....

It must be a worldwide phenomenon that mobile phone batteries dies when you most want them.
Happens to me all the time. :lol:

Brad

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Off Topic: Oh by the way my current fone has a BL-5C battery that Nokia is recalling! They have yet to contact me after informing them though! I'm always on guard while charging it for it might blow up! ehehehe :lol:

^^ I guess so, we are about to replace the old 32kg/m rail by 50kg/m which is also the same as the one being used above assuring that the our railways can also handle very heavy loads like double decker cars. Japan has a lot of double decker cars so we have also better chance of using it without much troubles...

The question is, does the old bridges, like the Sta Mesa and Laong-Laan bridges have enough vertical clearance for that?

The question is, does the old bridges, like the Sta Mesa and Laong-Laan bridges have enough vertical clearance for that?

^^ Yup, those bridges has a min. height of 6m... It the line would be elevated by at lest .3, meters, trains can still pass...

Off Topic: Oh by the way my current fone has a BL-5C battery that Nokia is recalling! They have yet to contact me after informing them though! I'm always on guard while charging it for it might blow up! ehehehe :lol:

^^ Buy another one, rip it up the old battery and put a new one!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats rather feasable isn't it. Not very far for them to go.

Brad

Yup, Carmona spur line can easily be extended to Dasmarinas and Gen. Trias --- even up to Trece Martirez (where they relocated the displaced "informal settlers":lol:)... Carmona to Trece Martirez is more or less 25km.

Proposed extension (orange dotted line; could have another spur line in G.M. Alvarez south towards Tagaytay)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9186/zzqx0.jpg

But all of these will depend on the budget and if there are any investor keen on this project :)...

^^ Yup, those bridges has a min. height of 6m... It the line would be elevated by at lest .3, meters, trains can still pass...

For the Sta Mesa bridge, I noticed it has three main spans, the middle one is where the current tracks pass, while the two other has a palengke and

So that height would also allow double decker?

For the Sta Mesa bridge, I noticed it has three main spans, the middle one is where the current tracks pass, while the two other has a palengke and

So that height would also allow double decker?


^^ I think the height of the double decker trains has only a little difference with the normal car height so the new bridge I think would be designed with great allowances so enable container vans to pass and likes these double decker...

Yup, Carmona spur line can easily be extended to Dasmarinas and Gen. Trias --- even up to Trece Martirez (where they relocated the displaced "informal settlers":lol:)... Carmona to Trece Martirez is more or less 25km.

Proposed extension (orange dotted line; could have another spur line in G.M. Alvarez south towards Tagaytay)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9186/zzqx0.jpg

But all of these will depend on the budget and if there are any investor keen on this project :)...

^^ Nice revision.... kind of an architecth and engineer jobs.... :lol: :lol:

is the other side of sta mesa...already...free from iskwaters?.....yung isang side kasi....is already clear....any update on this?

For the Sta Mesa bridge, I noticed it has three main spans, the middle one is where the current tracks pass, while the two other has a palengke and

So that height would also allow double decker?

^^ The new Sta. Railway Bridge is only a simple design. Only one thing it differs to the old one is the elevation. I think they will elevate it to avoid disruption to water vessels using the river... A least for a couple of meters lift...

Good Afternoon Ladies! :banana:

I just got back to my Grandparent's house and I have some "pasalubongs" to you guys. I happen to pass by one of the railway crossings, which is near the Station, here in San Pablo. I got some pics of both sides of the crossing.

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3460/sanpablorailwayln0.jpg
The houses will be demolished as expected. There is a Meralco substation situated near the houses. I don't know what the PNR will do about it.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3207/sanpablorailway2al8.jpg
Since my childhood years, there have been houses/squatters living in this area. This is the infamous/Notorious side of the crossing. It is infamous and notorious because this is the side where railway accidents happened here in San Pablo. One of it happened a couple of years ago where a fast moving train plowed into a crossing jeepney killing almost all the passengers and driver of the said vehicle. That accident caused a 3 hour long traffic and of course media mileage. hehe. Allegedly, the said train was being used in a Movie shooting.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3686/sanpablorailway3jw6.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8483/sanpablorailway4ot4.jpg

This is the Banahaw compound(The american execs of a factory here in SP used this as their living quarters). It is just beside the area pictured above. I find this interesting because hopefully the PNR guys will buy this area and covert it to a transport/commercial area. It has been for sale for almost a decade now. I'll ask my dad how big this area is.. There are rumors before that SM is interested in buying this area and covert it to a shopping mall. I think it didn't pushed through because it is not large enough for a mall like SM.

^^ It's ok and when you have time again, can you make a shot to the Tayuman area where continous demolition of structures are underway. It's nice to see how they clean those areas....

Sorry WoS, but I don't go to Tayuman.. Well I have been to that area twice.. :D

^^ Not much squatters in these areas....

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3460/sanpablorailwayln0.jpg

Sorry WoS, but I don't go to Tayuman.. Well I have been to that area twice.. :D

^^ It's ok el.. Anyway many thanks for the photos... Im glad that not so much squatters in those areas of San Pablo. The contractor can easily move fast...

is the other side of sta mesa...already...free from iskwaters?.....yung isang side kasi....is already clear....any update on this?


^^ I think they have cleared both sides since 3 months ago. Perfect place to start rehab... Anyway, I think will be an alignment change...

WoS: no problem.. if the local government won't interfere with PNR's project, then the contractor will easily move fast. :D

Some tidbits (or if my memory serves right) about San Pablo Station, the station is single side, single island station.. This is just a small info hehe.. Btw, on my second pic, at the far end of it is the Station itself.

WoS: no problem.. if the local government won't interfere with PNR's project, then the contractor will easily move fast. :D

Some tidbits (or if my memory serves right) about San Pablo Station, the station is single side, single island station.. This is just a small info hehe.. Btw, on my second pic, at the far end of it is the Station itself.

^^ Ok.. that's a good news again.. At least they can work even more faster with the cooperation of every local government.

^^ ^^ ^^ Psst!!! Mga moderator, plleassssss...... post naman kayo dito oh.. cge na please sir/mam Sinjin!!!! :) :) :)

http://file.uploadr.com/1055d-embed
demolition crew on the rest

http://file.uploadr.com/1055e-embed
ha.. ha... ha.. espana cor algeciras

from thomasisan:
For the Sta Mesa bridge, I noticed it has three main spans, the middle one is where the current tracks pass, while the two other has a palengke and

So that height would also allow double decker?

^^ The new Sta. Railway Bridge is only a simple design. Only one thing it differs to the old one is the elevation. I think they will elevate it to avoid disruption to water vessels using the river... A least for a couple of meters lift...

no, ang ibig sabihin ni thomasian e ung ramon magsaysay flyover sa sta. mesa, ung ilalim b nun e mkakadaan ung double deck train o ssayad...

he also quoted about the Dimasalang bridge kung saan sa baba nun e PNR track, ask nya rin kung ssayad and double deck na train

from thomasisan:
For the Sta Mesa bridge, I noticed it has three main spans, the middle one is where the current tracks pass, while the two other has a palengke and

So that height would also allow double decker?



no, ang ibig sabihin ni thomasian e ung ramon magsaysay flyover sa sta. mesa, ung ilalim b nun e mkakadaan ung double deck train o ssayad...

he also quoted about the Dimasalang bridge kung saan sa baba nun e PNR track, ask nya rin kung ssayad and double deck na train

^^ The height of the cars is approximately 4.2 m at least from the very top rail. I think the average clearance of viaducts is 5m from the finish ground...

http://file.uploadr.com/1055d-embed
demolition crew on the rest

http://file.uploadr.com/1055e-embed
ha.. ha... ha.. espana cor algeciras

^^ This is the things to be removed. If all goes well the algecirasa st. and Antipolo St. Should be visible from each other... 5taon rin me nagtiyaga sa kadadaan sa lugar na yan... Sawang sawa na ako sa mga slums na yan...

start na rin ba ang demoletion sa pampanga goin to angeles ,clark balita naman dyan mga tol! thanksssss

^^ I think Northrail Phase 1A involves only the Caloocan-Malolos Section... while the Malolos-Clark is Ph.1B... at this time they are concentrating on Ph. 1A:)

Some earlier (Feb. 2007) info from NEDA:
Page1
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8775/z1pb6.jpg


Page2
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2717/z2gh6.jpg

start na rin ba ang demoletion sa pampanga goin to angeles ,clark balita naman dyan mga tol! thanksssss


^^ Matatapos na by December from Malolos to Clark.... Fullblast sa January 2008

^^ I think Northrail Phase 1A involves only the Caloocan-Malolos Section... while the Malolos-Clark is Ph.1B... at this time they are concentrating on Ph. 1A:)

Some earlier (Feb. 2007) info from NEDA:
Page1
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8775/z1pb6.jpg


Page2
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2717/z2gh6.jpg

wow Nice!!! data.. yup, the Northrail 1b will have different funding..

Speaking of funding, for the Southrail Ph. 1A (Calamba-Lucena), it was mentioned to have a budget of $314.8M for a 77.4km stretch.

This budget would translate to more than $4M per kilometer... or at a $46:Php1 exchange rate, it would be around Php187.1M/km!!! :yes:

sna yang SKYWAY na yan matapos na ni GLoria khit until the proposed alabang lng, ang tgal na yan eh, look at the tiwangwang columns, eyesore sa SLEX un.. kay Ramos era pa yan e..tsk tsk

some pics nmn ng calamba station pls.. malaki ba yan??
anyway matanong ko lng, ung mga PNR stations b after alabang up to bicol eh near the downtown poblacions of towns or malau din?. kc kung tlgang malapit xa sa mga bayan, dpt tlga yan na priority ni Pres. GMA,korekk??

sna they speed up the construction of the North rail phase 1 para phase 2 na kagad, bka mmaya matanda na ako, wla pa din..huhu.. i wnt to experience first all the trains here b4 i will go abroad to compare it..haha:banana: ]

tska, query ko lng, is there a chance na maging electric line at emu ang gmitin pag narrow gauge ang rails? or sa standard rails lng pwde ang de electric??..senxa na noob ako sa mga locos eh.haha

sna they speed up the construction of the North rail phase 1 para phase 2 na kagad, bka mmaya matanda na ako, wla pa din..huhu.. i wnt to experience first all the trains here b4 i will go abroad to compare it..haha:banana: ]

tska, query ko lng, is there a chance na maging electric line at emu ang gmitin pag narrow gauge ang rails? or sa standard rails lng pwde ang de electric??..senxa na noob ako sa mga locos eh.haha

^^ Hup!!! Too bad you're going out!!!:ohno; Being optimistic is no more going abroad... Naku, dadami lang problema mo pag nagwork u sa abroad... Magbusiness ka na lang... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

sna they speed up the construction of the North rail phase 1 para phase 2 na kagad, bka mmaya matanda na ako, wla pa din..huhu.. i wnt to experience first all the trains here b4 i will go abroad to compare it..haha:banana: ]

tska, query ko lng, is there a chance na maging electric line at emu ang gmitin pag narrow gauge ang rails? or sa standard rails lng pwde ang de electric??..senxa na noob ako sa mga locos eh.haha

Countries with Narrow Gauge Railways and their Max. Line Speed

^^ Japan (All EMU, DMU, Double Decker and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 150 km/h
^^ Malaysia (All EMU and Loco Hauled) 1000mm, 100km/h
^^ Taiwan (All EMU, DMU, and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 130km/h
^^ Indonesia (All EMU, DMU and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 100km/h
^^ Thailand (All EMU, DMU, and Loco Hauled) 1000mm, 130km/h
^^ Vietnam (All EMU, DMU, Double Decker and Loco Hauled) 1000mm, 90km/h
^^ South Africa, Cambodia, Spain, Laos, Myanmar, 1000mm
^^ Australia (QR) and New Zealand (EMU, DMU and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 160km/h

kaelthas18: Di bale sponsor ka daw ni WoS pagbalik mo dito sa pinas hehe. :p

^^ Hup!!! Too bad you're going out!!!:ohno; Being optimistic is no more going abroad... Naku, dadami lang problema mo pag nagwork u sa abroad... Magbusiness ka na lang... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

i will not work , il juz want to visit train stations and ride the trains abroad ..hehe

kaelthas18: Di bale sponsor ka daw ni WoS pagbalik mo dito sa pinas hehe. :p

matagal pa un, studying pa ako e.. haha pangarap lang

Countries with Narrow Gauge Railways and their Max. Line Speed

^^ Japan (All EMU, DMU, Double Decker and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 150 km/h
^^ Malaysia (All EMU and Loco Hauled) 1000mm, 100km/h
^^ Taiwan (All EMU, DMU, and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 130km/h
^^ Indonesia (All EMU, DMU and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 100km/h
^^ Thailand (All EMU, DMU, and Loco Hauled) 1000mm, 130km/h
^^ Vietnam (All EMU, DMU, Double Decker and Loco Hauled) 1000mm, 90km/h
^^ South Africa, Cambodia, Spain, Laos, Myanmar, 1000mm
^^ Australia (QR) and New Zealand (EMU, DMU and Loco Hauled) 1067mm, 160km/h

wow,ty ty , i thought only standard gauges can hold electric lines,,,haha. h0w about bullet trains?..standard gauges?tnx sa mga infos ha..

wow,ty ty , i thought only standard gauges can hold electric lines,,,haha. h0w about bullet trains?..standard gauges?tnx sa mga infos ha..

^^ I think our project Northrail and Southrail will have a max. line speed of 160km/h but trains will cruise at 90km/h for commuter and 120km/h for limited trains (Bicol Express)...

^^ yup, Bullet trains use standard gauges railways (1435mm) exclusively separated from JR narrow gauges to permit speeds in excess of 170km/h

^^ The use of standard gauges can be boosted if laid on well maintaned tracks without level crossings so as to permit trains to run on a higher speeds...But if it will only be laid on ground level with so many crossings, can be limited only into some speed limit such as those one in narrow gauges... It really doesnt make sense.. so we better use the narrow gauges... Anyway, it has proven ok and the most important is that railways bring efficient mass transporatation service...

wow,ty ty , i thought only standard gauges can hold electric lines,,,haha. h0w about bullet trains?..standard gauges?tnx sa mga infos ha..

^^ Check this one Nathan, Super Hakucho Train from JR.. This train is runs on narrow gauges similar to us with a speed of 140km/h... Try to witness how Japanese turns narrow gauges railroad into as efficient as the standard gauge..

SUPER HAKUCHO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_A_ijBmKxA)

SUPER HAKUCHO1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s144vAp_xn4&mode=related&search=)

SUPER HAKUCHO 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnn9rTxYuUI&mode=related&search=)

Update on Tutuban yard..



Tutuban Yard...and look at the turntable, the kids are swimming into it..eewwww..haha
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http://file.uploadr.com/105be-embed
the old cargo trains


http://file.uploadr.com/105bf-embed
approaching Tayuman loco shed


http://file.uploadr.com/105c0-embed
Old office


http://file.uploadr.com/105c1-embed
i think they just renovating it


http://file.uploadr.com/105c2-embed
renovation or demolition??hahaha:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

Kanina lng yan,9/11/07, I took the 3.30 pm trip to Alabang
My south bound trip is smooth but slow, it took me 2 hOUrs to arrive at alabang,
while the north bound is very fast, and bumpy, bcause most of the rails for north bound have defects and poor alignment.. it just took me 1hour and 20 min in the north bound, i arrive at tutuban at exactly 7:00pm na..wahahaha =(

MORE??? More updates coming right up...

Demolition ongoing
http://file.uploadr.com/105c3-embed

Bad news. Only 5-6 meters are only demolished along the houses of Antipolo and Algeciras Streets and not all. tsk tsk..
http://file.uploadr.com/105c4-embed


Laong Laan to Espana Station video **latest**
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before the Ramon Magsaysay blvd. Viaduct going to PUP
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look at the railings of the Paco-sta mesa bridge, all have been looted, and look at the Pasig Sewer Canal...este Rio de Pasig ...hahaha

sory to all , amateur video lng pagkakuha ko,haha..:lol:
contribution ko yan sa forums

this is again a latest from vito cruz to buendia..kanina lng..
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e2 na FTI update nyo...as usual ,der r stil many squatters in the area..
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still many portions need to be demolished
actually i didnt see any demolition crew knina..

sory to all , amateur video lng pagkakuha ko,haha..:lol:
contribution ko yan sa forums

this is again a latest from vito cruz to buendia..kanina lng..
CvJgyvjM1tM

You deserve an award for all these videos. Hope you are harnessed properly so the bumps don't throw you out of the carriage. That would be a disaster indeed for the railway project and for this forum. Thank you!

TRPb3O6htbE
still there are squatters in the area

1 thing i recognize about the squatters in PNR.. this is true,based on my experience

Squatters at:
Blumentritt-Laong Laan=poor area,many tatoo guys, very bad sanitation prone to diseases, very many children, "barong barong houses"
Laong-laan- España=the "elite of the squatters", concrete houses
Espana -Sta MEsa = hideouts of robbers, bad sanitation, houses are made of mixed concrete and "barong barong"
Sta Mesa-Pandacan=mostly concrete, residential, and mostly addicts, masusungit mga tao
Pandacan-Paco= People who don't clean their surroundings..:bash: :bash: mahilig mag burn ng plastic garbage, especially at the area of the Pabahay sa Mahihirap of Ramos
Paco-Edsa=satisfactory clean, but there are still "mga pasaway" people

heres the area i most truly hate!!!
FTI-Alabang
people here are very rude, throwing stones, many tambay,adults teach the children to throw stones at the train, many unfriendly people, and no discipline area .. especially at bicutan ..
they also break many precast fence in the whole stretch of the line


Squatter colonies that need to be demolish first and entirely obliterate and be vanished from Earth:
1.FTI-Bicutan-Sucat
2. Blumentritt
3. Sucat-Alabang
4. Tutuban Yard-Tayuman-Blumentritt
5. Laong Laan-Espana
6. Espana-sta mesa

^^ Check this one Nathan, Super Hakucho Train from JR.. This train is runs on narrow gauges similar to us with a speed of 140km/h... Try to witness how Japanese turns narrow gauges railroad into as efficient as the standard gauge..

SUPER HAKUCHO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_A_ijBmKxA)

SUPER HAKUCHO1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s144vAp_xn4&mode=related&search=)

SUPER HAKUCHO 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnn9rTxYuUI&mode=related&search=)

wow, japan railway has many level crossing.. wheeewwww... kakainggit, we should have also that kind of technology.

Thanks Nathan for the update and video your d' MAN!!!:banana:

http://file.uploadr.com/105e4-embed
look at the lights

http://file.uploadr.com/105e5-embed
very dark...hahaha

^^ Many thanks Nathan... Your Super Magaling!!!!! I like the videos and photos so much it could help us a lot in the update of our thread....

Update on Tutuban yard..



Tutuban Yard...and look at the turntable, the kids are swimming into it..eewwww..haha
2MlZcb67Ynk

Kanina lng yan,9/11/07, I took the 3.30 pm trip to Alabang
My south bound trip is smooth but slow, it took me 2 hOUrs to arrive at alabang,
while the north bound is very fast, and bumpy, bcause most of the rails for north bound have defects and poor alignment.. it just took me 1hour and 20 min in the north bound, i arrive at tutuban at exactly 7:00pm na..wahahaha =(

MORE??? More updates coming right up...

^^ I like this video. Even if there still a lot of squatters, as long as the PNR have settled the problem, I think it all goes well.. Hinihintay na lang tlaga ang relocation sites na matapos....

Update on Tutuban yard..

http://file.uploadr.com/105be-embed
the old cargo trains

http://file.uploadr.com/105bf-embed
approaching Tayuman loco shed

http://file.uploadr.com/105c0-embed
Old office

http://file.uploadr.com/105c1-embed
i think they just renovating it

http://file.uploadr.com/105c2-embed
renovation or demolition??hahaha:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

Kanina lng yan,9/11/07, I took the 3.30 pm trip to Alabang
My south bound trip is smooth but slow, it took me 2 hOUrs to arrive at alabang,
while the north bound is very fast, and bumpy, bcause most of the rails for north bound have defects and poor alignment.. it just took me 1hour and 20 min in the north bound, i arrive at tutuban at exactly 7:00pm na..wahahaha =(

MORE??? More updates coming right up...

^^ Nice so far photos. I think the preservation concepts is really working now... How that they can fully repaired it in tha same way it looks before. Actually we still have many more sites like this soon to be repaired...

[QUOTE=kaelthas18;15305876]Demolition ongoing
http://file.uploadr.com/105c3-embed

Bad news. Only 5-6 meters are only demolished along the houses of Antipolo and Algeciras Streets and not all. tsk tsk..
http://file.uploadr.com/105c4-embed

^^ Actually, these scheme will not work anymore. Lamenting the fact that the NHA have already conducted a dialogue that they repossed the whole Algeraas and Antipolo Side, they still remain there. The NHA will be firm and they will demolished it soon...

^^ It really bad that only 5 meters were taken.... The PUP section is the most appropriate for the partk n ride system to be introduced by the PNR... I salute to them for this program...

sory to all , amateur video lng pagkakuha ko,haha..:lol:
contribution ko yan sa forums

this is again a latest from vito cruz to buendia..kanina lng..
CvJgyvjM1tM

^^ Nice shot again Nathan. It appears that your improving well.. I hope that when you a have a prof. video cam, you could takes shots more from PNR... I hope by the time, were taken shots of the newly reconstructed PNR....:banana: :banana:

^^ Demolishing activities will be resumed once the relocation sites have been completed this September. The NHA has finally settled already for those ROW up to Alabang. They are now in the Phase2 and Southrail 1A.. I heard a news from a friend, that they will implement asap because they have already conducted gatherings and consultations among the peoples to be affected in Phase 2 and ?Southrail 1A..

^^ Konting tiis na lang po ay masisimulan na ang construction ng Linkage Project. Napakadali lang po nito kasi very simple lang ang approach ng paggawa gaya ng mga prefabricated stills and foundations sa mga station. Tracks laying will take only a matter of short time...

hey wOS tnx, anyway have u seen my video on Espana crossing where the man riding a bicycle was nearly stuck it the tracks, then the vehicles are starting to move,hehehe:lol: :lol:

^^ The NHA had a very good reason to demolish thoses houses along Algeras St. and Antipolo St.. Actually it's not only that elite houses that were demolished, how about those from Caloocan to Malolos to Clark... At lot of these houses had been constructed 30 years ago but they did not complaign to the prorgrams of the government... Fine, if they assume that there place is the once called Pabahay sa Riles Program, but the government needs it... I think these people are sucked!!!! I mean the suckers of all sucked..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

current updates yan , yesterday lang, anyway nxt month ulit...:nuts: :nuts:

hey wOS tnx, anyway have u seen my video on Espana crossing where the man riding a bicycle was nearly stuck it the tracks, then the vehicles are starting to move,hehehe:lol: :lol:

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Oo nga noh!!!! Yan kasi, dumadaan sa riles.... Why they don't use wheel of seel... Hha ha aha.... Kamuntik na kamo syang masagasaan ng taxi... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

current updates yan , yesterday lang, anyway nxt month ulit...:nuts: :nuts:

^^ Many thanks ulit ha..... Hayaan mo, one of us naman ang gagawa ng updates, more precisely all bout Northrails naman, specifically Malolos Viaduct!!!

Thanks for the updates @kaelthas18 (Nathan)... I hope you can do an update of these areas after a month so we can see the developments/changes.

^^ Konting tiis na lang po ay masisimulan na ang construction ng Linkage Project. Napakadali lang po nito kasi very simple lang ang approach ng paggawa gaya ng mga prefabricated stills and foundations sa mga station. Tracks laying will take only a matter of short time...

@WoS how about the bridges and/or viaducts for the Linkage project? do you think it will take time to construct? Do you think the timetables set for the Linkage section (Tayuman-Alabang) would be met on schedule?

Will they operate some sections as they get done? I hope by end of the year new tracks are laid in some areas and some stations constructed. And hopefully by mid-2008 a portion of the Linkage project would be operational (i.e. Paco to FTI section)...

Thanks for the updates @kaelthas18 (Nathan)... I hope you can do an update of these areas after a month so we can see the developments/changes.



@WoS how about the bridges and/or viaducts for the Linkage project? do you think it will take time to construct? Do you think the timetables set for the Linkage section (Tayuman-Alabang) would be met on schedule?

Will they operate some sections as they get done? I hope by end of the year new tracks are laid in some areas and some stations constructed. And hopefully by mid-2008 a portion of the Linkage project would be operational (i.e. Paco to FTI section)...

^^ The bridge, I estimate it the will finished in 6 mos. The design was also simple and pantay sya sa pandacan road bridge beside it...

Thanks for the updates @kaelthas18 (Nathan)... I hope you can do an update of these areas after a month so we can see the developments/changes.



@WoS how about the bridges and/or viaducts for the Linkage project? do you think it will take time to construct? Do you think the timetables set for the Linkage section (Tayuman-Alabang) would be met on schedule?

Will they operate some sections as they get done? I hope by end of the year new tracks are laid in some areas and some stations constructed. And hopefully by mid-2008 a portion of the Linkage project would be operational (i.e. Paco to FTI section)...

^^ They will build new stations I guess in the vicinity of Sucat and Alabang... Simple din ulit ang approach... The tracks will be new and 50kg/m steel for heavy loadings.

sorry if this has been mention before....but will the train crossings be upgraded with like a metal bar that comes down.? and w/ flashing lights and bells?

sorry if this has been mention before....but will the train crossings be upgraded with like a metal bar that comes down.? and w/ flashing lights and bells?

^^ Yup! And even better than you've mentioned...

Dito muna ako.. Sumasakit ulo ko sa kabilang forum site. Puro "Oust PGMA" at "Erap Guilty".. :bash:

kaelthas18: nice updates. Mukhang madami dami pa nga ata kelangan gawin at idemolish ang contractors dyan ah.. Araw araw ka nasakay sa tren? Camera phone ba gamit mo? lakas ng loob mo ah.. :D

to el_dasik_oo1

actually thesis ko kc mga linkage stations, kaya i always ride the train to see the updates on the site..

Um, yap cam phone,ntatakot din nmn ako minsan about snatchers pero madami nmn tao e, kahapon punung puno nga e, patago lng ako kumuha ng videos,
pero lakasan din ng loob yan e, wala ako matatapos na picture pag matatakot me, gusto ko nga din puntahan yan sa malolos e,kahit bawal,haha..kaya lng malayo tska busy na rin sa school.

^^ JR Narrow Gauge Double Decker Trains (1067mm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD7_2YsvYfs&mode=related&search=

gnda nmn ng mga coaches and rolling stocks of japan railways, puro EMU b cla?... im reading now a book of Juli Ross.. Railway Stations Planning Design and Management..haha:) :)

gnda nmn ng mga coaches and rolling stocks of japan railways, puro EMU b cla?... im reading now a book of Juli Ross.. Railway Stations Planning Design and Management..haha:) :)

^^ Yup!!! When it comes to rolling stocks, Japan is no. 1 including those furnitures inside. Infact their loading gauge is quiet small, but highly durable. What can we do, infact all of the heavy duty machines in the world came from them.... Hitachi, Nippon Shario, Misubishi, etc.. These companies do make locomatives and electric cars...

^^ When I get there in Manila, my first priority would be the Northrail especially Malolos Station. I really wanted to know and see exactly the width of the retaining wall both sides of the Malolos Viaduct so we can exactly configure the no. of tracks they will lay... If it is double the distance of the that in the LRT, then we can say that it is a four track... Let me check it...

Dito muna ako.. Sumasakit ulo ko sa kabilang forum site. Puro "Oust PGMA" at "Erap Guilty".. :bash:

kaelthas18: nice updates. Mukhang madami dami pa nga ata kelangan gawin at idemolish ang contractors dyan ah.. Araw araw ka nasakay sa tren? Camera phone ba gamit mo? lakas ng loob mo ah.. :D

Actually it doesn't take much too long before they come up to the exact ROW. It is the relocation site of the slums that hamperes the transfer of these squatters. Anyway, they have already signed the papers..

to el_dasik_oo1

actually thesis ko kc mga linkage stations, kaya i always ride the train to see the updates on the site..

Um, yap cam phone,ntatakot din nmn ako minsan about snatchers pero madami nmn tao e, kahapon punung puno nga e, patago lng ako kumuha ng videos,
pero lakasan din ng loob yan e, wala ako matatapos na picture pag matatakot me, gusto ko nga din puntahan yan sa malolos e,kahit bawal,haha..kaya lng malayo tska busy na rin sa school.

^^ Nathan, your cam phone is so nice... Just make sure that everything is safe on the area you will be going... Always take necessary precautions...

hmmm.... Your Sta. Mesa videos are so nice.. I like the way the NHA develop and demolished that area... Their proposal for that is the park and ride system.. I mean, you parked you vehicle and pays for it no matter how long and then ride on the train.. The PNR concept will approach comfort for the passengers. The service that LRT cannot be given.. Let check it later...

sorry if this has been mention before....but will the train crossings be upgraded with like a metal bar that comes down.? and w/ flashing lights and bells?

^^ Those in Bangkok Railroad Crossing tube is so nice. Check the crossing bar if it can also be applied in here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xRjCppuh6w

See how the tube coming down folded.. Nice because it can really extend for some extra length...

Mayor vows to help squatters affected by railway projects
http://www.tribune.net.ph/metro/20070913met4.html

At least 500,000 informal settlers who would be displaced from their homes to give way to Northrail-Southrail Project and other various government projects have found a host in Rodriguez Mayor Pedro Cuerpo.

Cuerpo promised he would help relocatees of Northrail-Southrail Project find a suitable place for their relocation.

In stressing his town’s humble offer, Cuerpo explained that poor people can be productive citizens in Rodriguez by joining livelihood program for agriculture.

“We have an ordinance that allows vacant lots to be used for agricultural purposes but cannot be claimed as theirs,” Cuerpo said.

Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo, chairman of the Housing Committee of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, who has been assisting poor families in eviction crises, welcomed the move.

Bishop Pabillo urged the government to help those who are desperately in need. “They are not consulted on demolition. They are offered limited choices in far-flung areas which result in relocatees moving back to Metro Manila,” he said.

Results of a survey done by Urban Poor Associates showed poor people in distant relocation sites would likely go back to Metro Manila due to the following problems: lack of electricity and potable water, livelihood and job projects, high cost of commodities and transportation, payments of units allotted on security and poor facilities.

Leaders of Manila area communities met with Cuerpo and Bishop Pabillo at the Arzobispado de Manila yesterday to find alternatives to the government’s policy of relocating poor people to remote sites.

Destined to be relocated in distant sites where life is extremely hard, members of Samahang Apektadong Pamilya sa Riles have taken initiatives to find alternative relocation sites such as Rodriguez.

They said they accepted relocation of a certain quality which would not cause poor families economic loss. For example, they object to being relocated to sites more than 40 kilometers outside the city where their jobs are.

Urban poor groups had sought a dialogue on their resettlement with the National Housing Authority, but their requests were either denied or “nothing fruitful” came of the talks.

Mayor vows to help squatters affected by railway projects
http://www.tribune.net.ph/metro/20070913met4.html

At least 500,000 informal settlers who would be displaced from their homes to give way to Northrail-Southrail Project and other various government projects have found a host in Rodriguez Mayor Pedro Cuerpo.

Cuerpo promised he would help relocatees of Northrail-Southrail Project find a suitable place for their relocation.

In stressing his town’s humble offer, Cuerpo explained that poor people can be productive citizens in Rodriguez by joining livelihood program for agriculture.

“We have an ordinance that allows vacant lots to be used for agricultural purposes but cannot be claimed as theirs,” Cuerpo said.

Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo, chairman of the Housing Committee of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, who has been assisting poor families in eviction crises, welcomed the move.

Bishop Pabillo urged the government to help those who are desperately in need. “They are not consulted on demolition. They are offered limited choices in far-flung areas which result in relocatees moving back to Metro Manila,” he said.

Results of a survey done by Urban Poor Associates showed poor people in distant relocation sites would likely go back to Metro Manila due to the following problems: lack of electricity and potable water, livelihood and job projects, high cost of commodities and transportation, payments of units allotted on security and poor facilities.

Leaders of Manila area communities met with Cuerpo and Bishop Pabillo at the Arzobispado de Manila yesterday to find alternatives to the government’s policy of relocating poor people to remote sites.

Destined to be relocated in distant sites where life is extremely hard, members of Samahang Apektadong Pamilya sa Riles have taken initiatives to find alternative relocation sites such as Rodriguez.

They said they accepted relocation of a certain quality which would not cause poor families economic loss. For example, they object to being relocated to sites more than 40 kilometers outside the city where their jobs are.

Urban poor groups had sought a dialogue on their resettlement with the National Housing Authority, but their requests were either denied or “nothing fruitful” came of the talks.

^^ Is that in Rodriguez, Rizal? I guess, yes if it is viable for the government? But if it will be costly, then I suggest that they better follow the recommendation of NHA...

^^ The Alabang ROW... You will notice that the station has a very much accessible station very near to Alabang Road

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1401/1374851615_8f16411c61_o.jpg

^^ that is 30 meter row.. by the way, the street there is Montillano streetwith a width of 15 meters.

^^ The Alabang ROW... You will notice that the station has a very much accessible station very near to Alabang Road

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1401/1374851615_8f16411c61_o.jpg

haha, matatamaan ung parking lot ng Lianna's hahaha , ung red ang bubong, naglakadlakad na ako jan e, parang blumentritt ang dating, dmi tao, dmi pa squatters.. downtown kc.

haha, matatamaan ung parking lot ng Lianna's hahaha , ung red ang bubong, naglakadlakad na ako jan e, parang blumentritt ang dating, dmi tao, dmi pa squatters.. downtown kc.

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: he he he he!!! Ang dami nga talaga matatamaan... Nice, yung video mo sa Sta. Mesa... Ang luwwwaaaggg ng rilesss. Yan ang type ko....

^^ that is 30 meter row.. by the way, the street there is Montillano streetwith a width of 15 meters.

^^ Definitely Nathan, they will get it the whole Montillano St. Remember, if LABART would be realized, that's an additional of at least 1 dedicated track to 3 to 4 tracks the PNR is planning to lay from Tutuban to Calamba... So Montillano St. would be the later victim....

^^ This is the Vicinity of Sta. Mesa PNR Station and ROW plus the compound of PUP Sta. Mesa. Visible also is the Terminal of Pasig Ferry Terminal and the Pasig River... Also the Pandacan Bridge.. I wonder why there is a large vacant space there.... I suspec this will be the site of a new shopping mall plus parking space of cars... or in short "PNR's Park en Ride Service..."

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1243/1375846998_6c8a28d22f_o.jpg

^^ Nathan, what are those back hoes showing there in the Sta. Mesa Video.. Was it the Southrail Projects related of the MWSS... Im interested to know so we can say that if it is part of PNR, then probably the start of the construction of PNR Pandacan Bridge....

^^ I think the new PNR's bridge would look like this...

http://www.b-t.com/images/400/parsnip.jpg

Double up the size of this picture would exactly portrays the new bridge...

There was a Pasign to Montalban PNR line? Are the tracks still existing there?

There was a Pasign to Montalban PNR line? Are the tracks still existing there?

^^ No more tracks I guess, but remains of bridges are still there.. Im not sure if the government already awarded that lots... But Im positive the PNR have plans for it for general acquisition.

^^ That old Sta. Mesa to Montalban Railroad is a vital for the realization of the so called LRT8 or East Rail.. I think this east railroad is a new rail line elevated but of narrow gauge.. This line will be connected to the Sta. Mesa Station...

Good Afternoon Ladies! :banana:

I just got back to my Grandparent's house and I have some "pasalubongs" to you guys. I happen to pass by one of the railway crossings, which is near the Station, here in San Pablo. I got some pics of both sides of the crossing. .

Howdee,
Salamat for the pasalubongs! Yep I know what that word means :)

Sorry I have been absent for three days. I have been busy working at the Sydney Gift Show. Have a few days off now (tomorrow is a karaoki night for my birthday :cheers: ) so hope to catch up with all my Philo correspondence.

Regards
Brad

wow,ty ty , i thought only standard gauges can hold electric lines,,,haha. h0w about bullet trains?..standard gauges?tnx sa mga infos ha..

Nathan,
In reality any gauge can utilize electricity, even the very narrow underground coal mining railways have used electircity power in the past, tough the ones that survive now mostly seem to be battery operated.
Even HO scale model railways can operate off overhead wiring :lol:

Brad

^^ Nice so far photos. I think the preservation concepts is really working now... How that they can fully repaired it in tha same way it looks before. Actually we still have many more sites like this soon to be repaired...


Wow thanks Nathan, this certainly confirms the demise of Tayuman station :(
Glad I took so many photos of it now. THey have really got stuck into it.

Cheer
Brad

** Currently quite busy with work. Suppose it all goes to help me get back to the Philippines and to get my model of the PNR built :)

http://file.uploadr.com/105e4-embed
look at the lights

http://file.uploadr.com/105e5-embed
very dark...hahaha

Certainly not standing room only :lol:

Brad

^^ I think the new PNR's bridge would look like this...

http://www.b-t.com/images/400/parsnip.jpg

Double up the size of this picture would exactly portrays the new bridge...

Oh how I wish it would look like this.
Sadly this is a design from way back when we used to actually design things to look good.
Any new bridge will likely look very much the same at the current open type.

Regards
Brad

^^ This is the Vicinity of Sta. Mesa PNR Station and ROW plus the compound of PUP Sta. Mesa. Visible also is the Terminal of Pasig Ferry Terminal and the Pasig River... Also the Pandacan Bridge.. I wonder why there is a large vacant space there.... I suspec this will be the site of a new shopping mall plus parking space of cars... or in short "PNR's Park en Ride Service..."

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1243/1375846998_6c8a28d22f_o.jpg

there's something being built there., although i'm not sure what it is., according to citiatlas(metroManila map) its petron.

and one thing., the one you marked as "pasig ferry terminal" is not the terminal., :) thats the coast guard.

There's a housing project being built there. I think it's an NDC lot,Let me confirm.

^^ pero if it was owned by NDC it would have been easier for PUP to aqcuire this land., since PUP owns lands in sta mesa formerly owned by NDC.,

if i'm not mistaken, PUP was trying to get this land, along with the other big factory lot beside it., pero nagkaproblema., umabot pa ata sa korte.

Quote to Wos

^^ This is the Vicinity of Sta. Mesa PNR Station and ROW plus the compound of PUP Sta. Mesa. Visible also is the Terminal of Pasig Ferry Terminal and the Pasig River... Also the Pandacan Bridge.. I wonder why there is a large vacant space there.... I suspec this will be the site of a new shopping mall plus parking space of cars... or in short "PNR's Park en Ride Service..."

that space is the former Petron Santa mesa terminal, i think its a depot in the early days, it is owned by petron , i saw my citiatlas today vacant lot and former squatter infestation colony... parang mga zerg... some1 here play starcraft? haha addict ako nun wen i was 1st yr highschl..

^^ Nathan, what are those back hoes showing there in the Sta. Mesa Video.. Was it the Southrail Projects related of the MWSS... Im interested to know so we can say that if it is part of PNR, then probably the start of the construction of PNR Pandacan Bridge....

i think that is part of the Pnr clearing, they are cleaning all the rubbles.. pinapatag nila..

^^ That old Sta. Mesa to Montalban Railroad is a vital for the realization of the so called LRT8 or East Rail.. I think this east railroad is a new rail line elevated but of narrow gauge.. This line will be connected to the Sta. Mesa Station...

that line in the early days was only up to Hulo in Mandaluyong City said 1 pnr official..

^^ I think the new PNR's bridge would look like this...

http://www.b-t.com/images/400/parsnip.jpg

Double up the size of this picture would exactly portrays the new bridge...


Now that I ave had some sleep I am taking another look at this photo.
Is it done on Photoshop? How is the thing holding up in the air like that :)

Cheers
Brad
** 7 hours to big Philo birthday/Tanduay party :cheers:

May tanong lang po ako, kasi d2 sa manila nagiba na ung mga bahay na dikit talaga sa railway, pero bakit hindi nasunod ung 15 meters ba un na dapat gigibain? Ano un gigibain din ba nila un in the future or hindi na? Kasi ung mga bahay na un talagang mga gawa sa concrete at hindi naman talaga literal na mahihirap ang nakatira.

hi,

sorry for this stupid question. I'm too lazy to find out previous thread about this topic.

Will all the rail lines electrified? Or the trains will run on diesel engine? Sorry again.

hi,

sorry for this stupid question. I'm too lazy to find out previous thread about this topic.

Will all the rail lines electrified? Or the trains will run on diesel engine? Sorry again.

Howdee,
No need to apologise mate. We are here to help :)
All diesel engined thankfully.
Northrail,at least, has announced that they will be using eco-diesel powered units. Hopefully the other projects will follow suit and thus do their little bit for the environment.

Cheers
Brad

Good Morning ladies! :)

Off-Topic: What the hell happened here?! SSC is not online for couple days. why? Someone hacked it?

On-Topic: Well, I was about to give you guys some updates/pics last thursday (but to some weird circumstances.. SSC is nowhere to be found.. hmm). Anyway, Last thursday I went to San Pedro to pick up some things and I was able (or sort of) to take a pic of Biñan station. Not only that, some of the railway crossing here in Laguna. I'll post my report/chronicle tomorrow. :D

Off-Topic: What the hell happened here?! SSC is not online for couple days. why? Someone hacked it?

On-Topic: Well, I was about to give you guys some updates/pics last thursday (but to some weird circumstances.. SSC is nowhere to be found.. hmm). Anyway, Last thursday I went to San Pedro to pick up some things and I was able (or sort of) to take a pic of Biñan station. Not only that, some of the railway crossing here in Laguna. I'll post my report/chronicle tomorrow. :D

Yeah I was having trouble getting on to SSC myself. I was having withdrawal symptoms without it :lol:
Luckily I had a crowd of Pinays over Saturday to keep me entertained. Took a stack of photos of them while we were celebrating my birthday.
I look forward to seeing the photos you got. Will be online most of tomorrow.

Best wishes
Brad

Good Morning ladies! :)



Ahhhh you noticed I shaved my legs this morning.
I am glad someone did :lol:

Regards
Hindi bakla

I'm very excited about this project. Hopefully Pinas will move forward with this rail project. I wanna see better movement of people by rail transport as i feel it's the most efficient mode of transportation for the masses

^^ You're living in Malaysia, right? What would you say about the rail system over there? Does it cover the entire peninsula?

I think PNR has to look at our neighbor's railways to become really successful.

is there a possibility na maging bridge type station ang station ng PNR sta mesA ?...Para its near to lrt2 pureza?... um, sa taas ang station then sa baba ng viaduct ang platform...atleast accessible for the people along ramon magsaysay and the people of near pup..

for exmple like this type of station..from Modern Station book by Brian Edwards
http://file.uploadr.com/10793-embed

the implications:
http://file.uploadr.com/10794-embed

^^ You're living in Malaysia, right? What would you say about the rail system over there? Does it cover the entire peninsula?

I think PNR has to look at our neighbor's railways to become really successful.

I suppose one could argue that since its their neighbours that will have some control of it that this knowledge will already be gained.
Unless plans have changed, and in regards to the Bicol line, they are only to be the haulage provider for the restroing authority.

Brad

Hi guys,
Some very good friends recently did an inspection of the Carmona line as part of our historical society plans. It all comes from the PhilippineRailways Yahoogroup.
1) The whole line is in good condition, although it is overgrown and consistes only of tracks directly on sleepers without fishplates.
2) The Japanese are apparently wanting to buy the area around Carmona station. This planned purchase is of great interest, does anyone know anything else about this.
3) While the line would be quite scenic, apparently most is surrounded by squatter huts. From a historical point of view, should this not be part of the rebuild, I would like to see some of these squatters encouraged to stay there as an important part of history.
4) As the branch approaches the main south line it actually parallels the mainline for a distance. This is all still intact and regularly used by sleds.

Interestingly there is no mention of the bridge that PNR has used as a reason to suspend operations. Hmmmmm makes you wonder.

Hope this is of interest.
Brad

Wheres be our mate WoS?

Hope he is OK. I think he mentioned having some sort of a cold before. I'm sure he is treating it properly (with a regular dosage of Tanduay).

Hope all is going well and he will be back with us soon.

Brad

hey brad, aka. alcogoodwin,

here are some pics from the Past..long long ago...haha
from the book PNR the first 100 years..

http://file.uploadr.com/10795-embed
where is this,is it in Naga or Legazpi?? if only i could go back in the past have some pics of those stations and locos..haha

http://file.uploadr.com/10797-embed
are these the one we still see today in use???from Japan??

http://file.uploadr.com/10798-embed
Commuter trains in the 70s..

http://file.uploadr.com/10799-embed
another part of the history

brad this is the one i said last month about some infos during world war 2

http://file.uploadr.com/1079a-embed
http://file.uploadr.com/1079b-embed

the pic^^ is from the american - filipino war

if there are no world war 2 maybe there are still found many steme engine locos.. and we will have a grand museum for trains

Hi,
Have heard that the railway system of the La Carlota sugar mill (Negros) is due to be ripped up within the month :ohno:
Seems to be less and less reason to go there in 2009.

Brad

hey brad, aka. alcogoodwin,

here are some pics from the Past..long long ago...haha
from the book PNR the first 100 years..


where is this,is it in Naga or Legazpi?? if only i could go back in the past have some pics of those stations and locos..haha


are these the one we still see today in use???from Japan??




Hi Nathan,
I have forwarded the photo of the station to the Philippine Railways Yahoogroup for some expert analasis and hope to have an anwer for you soon. It certainly dosen't look like Legazpi station and as I haven't seen Naga then that could be your answer.
If it is, then it answers a question I have had for some time, this being whether the 2500/5000 classes were used on passenger services down there. I wonder if this 2500 was on some sort of local shuttle or if it was a service back to Manila.

The carriages being delivered look like the current CMC/CTC class vehicles, the remains of which are still in use.

Brad

if there are no world war 2 maybe there are still found many steme engine locos.. and we will have a grand museum for trains

Nathan,
Yeah you are right. So all of the maganda big steamers were destroyed without any consideration whatsoever. Very sad.

Thanks for putting up all those interesting historical articles and photos. They are all very interesting.

Brad

Hi everyone,
I have started a new thread for the PRHS in the Philippine Heritage section of SSC.
This is partly in order to address concerns by Bustero that our beloved Northrail_Southrail thread becomes confusing with many different topics. It is also partly in order to move it to the more relevant heritage section.
So any updates on the project will now be found there.
Of course all general railway chat will still be here on our most enjoyed thread :lol:

Brad

^^ You're living in Malaysia, right? What would you say about the rail system over there? Does it cover the entire peninsula?

I think PNR has to look at our neighbor's railways to become really successful.

I'm no rail expert like alcogoodwin but i will give my best shot to your question.

Malaysia rail system is interconnected with rail systems of thailand and singapore with narrow gauge. Unlike Manila, Urban Mass Rapid Transport rail is not as extensive as we have it here. They have 3 lines of LRT. With one of it being completely driverless system. Manila has the first mover advantage because as we all know we have the first MRT system in Asean, even ahead of Singapore.

However our intercity rail connections is almost non-existent. In malaysia, intercity rails connect cities in peninsula. Double tracking and electrification for Kuala Lumpur-Ipoh (about 200km) is almost completed. Works are now underway to electrified and double tracked the entire stretch in Peninsula Malaysia, from Thai border to Johor Bahru (neighbouring Singapore). Commuter service serving suburban areas are using EMU while intercity train service use diesel engine. Same goes for cargo/container train service.

Being an archipelagic play the disadvantages for Pinas in connecting major cities. However i think Luzon itself is big enough to build integrated intercities rail system (be it single track or double track) to cover the whole island. From Cagayan Valley to Bicol region.

For PNR, i hope they will take lessons from neighbours. Rail is just not only for transporting people but also goods to ports and cities. In malaysia, goods from southern thailand are being routed to Penang Port because the availability of rail cargo service. The same thing can be done where goods from suburbs or MM can be transported to Subic or Manila ports. May not be faster, but of course cheaper rates.

^^ ^^ ^^ :) :) :) SORRY GUYS!!!! IM HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY INTERNET CONNECTIONS FOR THE LAST 4 DAYS... HAD TO PUT A LOT OF ATTENTION HERE. ILL BE BACK AGAIN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS ONLY... PROMISE!!! WITH UPDATES :) :) :) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

WoS: lol.. All caps pa talaga ah. :D

I'm just uploading the pics and will post the updates later. :)

I'm no rail expert like alcogoodwin but i will give my best shot to your question.

Malaysia rail system is interconnected with rail systems of thailand and singapore with narrow gauge. Unlike Manila, Urban Mass Rapid Transport rail is not as extensive as we have it here. They have 3 lines of LRT. With one of it being completely driverless system. Manila has the first mover advantage because as we all know we have the first MRT system in Asean, even ahead of Singapore.

However our intercity rail connections is almost non-existent. In malaysia, intercity rails connect cities in peninsula. Double tracking and electrification for Kuala Lumpur-Ipoh (about 200km) is almost completed. Works are now underway to electrified and double tracked the entire stretch in Peninsula Malaysia, from Thai border to Johor Bahru (neighbouring Singapore). Commuter service serving suburban areas are using EMU while intercity train service use diesel engine. Same goes for cargo/container train service.

Being an archipelagic play the disadvantages for Pinas in connecting major cities. However i think Luzon itself is big enough to build integrated intercities rail system (be it single track or double track) to cover the whole island. From Cagayan Valley to Bicol region.

For PNR, i hope they will take lessons from neighbours. Rail is just not only for transporting people but also goods to ports and cities. In malaysia, goods from southern thailand are being routed to Penang Port because the availability of rail cargo service. The same thing can be done where goods from suburbs or MM can be transported to Subic or Manila ports. May not be faster, but of course cheaper rates.

^^ The Philippines, if all goes well is planning to interconnect the whole major islands by tunnel like the Seikan Tunnel of Japan... It may take some time but if it warrants the construction for future generating revenues, so be it...

WoS: lol.. All caps pa talaga ah. :D

I'm just uploading the pics and will post the updates later. :)

^^ please!!! upload it now, cauze im using computers not mine.. he he he!!!! :) :) :) In other words, im paying... hu hu hu!!!!

Now that I ave had some sleep I am taking another look at this photo.
Is it done on Photoshop? How is the thing holding up in the air like that :)

Cheers
Brad
** 7 hours to big Philo birthday/Tanduay party :cheers:

Hi Brad!!!

Long time no see.... Cheers!!!!:cheers: :) :) :) Nop!!! this is not a photo edited picture.. This is how they do it before they finally put this on place.. The pier supports the whole load of the steel bridge, sufficiently but not for the loading traffic.. It need another column to complete this....

WoS

there's something being built there., although i'm not sure what it is., according to citiatlas(metroManila map) its petron.

and one thing., the one you marked as "pasig ferry terminal" is not the terminal., :) thats the coast guard.

^^ Thanks Richard! for the correction and updates!! and welcome back!!! I update mo kami ha, kasi parang meron me nakita sa video ni nathan na may clrearing na along your schooll... Ganda pala ng frontage ng PUP!!!

[QUOTE=kaelthas18;15396036]hey brad, aka. alcogoodwin,

here are some pics from the Past..long long ago...haha
from the book PNR the first 100 years..

http://file.uploadr.com/10795-embed
where is this,is it in Naga or Legazpi?? if only i could go back in the past have some pics of those stations and locos..haha

^^ Ahhh!!! Thanks for the photos Nathan, your so nice.!!! This is Del Gallego Town of Camarines Sur. They use to call this town a "Railroad Town" because during that old times, this town is only accessible by railroad. I like the photos, it really shows that were so way ahead of other neighbors when it comes to railways.

Here it is guys..

Good News: I was able to take a pic of the Biñan Station. Yipee!
Bad News: the *BS* tricycle parked his ride just I about to take the picture of the station. Eksena! :bash:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4531/bianstationll0.jpg

After picking up my gf's things at her apartment and a free lunch courtesy of my gf, I'm went back home. My plan is to take the Los Baños route instead of the usual Sto Tomas route. At first, i was planning to make a quick tour of Calamba and hoping to see its station and other railway stuff. However, I decided not to pursue it since I fear that the rail will fall hard anytime soon. It was a breezy and relaxing journey. I was in front of the jeepney and I have no one beside me except the driver, of course. I was able to take a pic of the several railway crossings along the way. so here it is..

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/885/lagunarailwaycrossingsnv3.jpg

I also had the pleasure of taking some non-railway pics.. Mt. Makiling, Mt. Banahaw and the UP Open University. :D

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/3568/lagunaphotosoc1.jpg

If given the opportunity, I might go to Sta. Cruz and probably locate the railway line (or most of it). When I was young, we usually went to Sta. Cruz to visit some of our relatives. There were still signs of the sta cruz line. Today, the said line is somewhat nowhere to be found.. :(

Here it is guys..

Good News: I was able to take a pic of the Biñan Station. Yipee!
Bad News: the *BS* tricycle parked his ride just I about to take the picture of the station. Eksena! :bash:

I also had the pleasure of taking some non-railway pics.. Mt. Makiling, Mt. Banahaw and the UP Open University. :D

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/3568/lagunaphotosoc1.jpg

^^ Oopsss !!! Ok to ha!!!! ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ Ang preskong tingnan... ganda!!!!

Yep it is! The only problem is that whenever I take that route, It usually take me an hour or two bago ako makadating sa amin. Pero sa Sto. Tomas route, mga 30 mins - 1 hour lang.. pero ok lang.. Di mo rin mararamdaman yung oras eh :D

Isip ko lang.. Magkakaroon kaya ng parang substation sa me Pansol/Los Baños area? Kasi malapit sa mga resorts eh.. Tsaka kalapit lang ng highway yung railway line dun..

[QUOTE=el_dasik_oo1;15398085]Here it is guys..

Good News: I was able to take a pic of the Biñan Station. Yipee!
Bad News: the *BS* tricycle parked his ride just I about to take the picture of the station. Eksena! :bash:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4531/bianstationll0.jpg

^^ :banana: Ok!!! hmmm hmmm.... halatang di man lang lumabas sa kotse.:) :) :) Nagmamadali kasi para kay G.F. eh.. Pero ok na rin!!! Kasi maganda ang mga nagagandahan nakasampay na mga damit sa istasyon... he he he!!! Many thanks, Mr. El Dasik!!!

Tanong ko lang ha!!! Shhhhhh!!! Ano ba kasi ang pinaggagawa mo sa apartment ni G.F.?

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Yep it is! The only problem is that whenever I take that route, It usually take me an hour or two bago ako makadating sa amin. Pero sa Sto. Tomas route, mga 30 mins - 1 hour lang.. pero ok lang.. Di mo rin mararamdaman yung oras eh :D

^^ In fairness, hindi masyadong marumi yung riless dyan sa Binan!!! Parang madali lang ang rehabilitation dito, I swear!!!

WoS: Off-Topic na yan. Minsan dun na kasi ako nabisita eh.. Tsaka sa San Pedro din siya nagwowork eh. Bawal din gumawa ng kung ano man, me mga bantay din eh. :D

WoS: Off-Topic na yan. Minsan dun na kasi ako nabisita eh.. Tsaka sa San Pedro din siya nagwowork eh :)


^^ :) Sorry!! El... Sorry guys, i need to log out again. I'll see if I can get back again later. Thanks a lot for all of you!!!! Malapit na me punta Manila, i will focus much on the Northrail 1 with videos and my own version renders of the station...

I'm no rail expert like alcogoodwin but i will give my best shot to your question.

Malaysia rail system is interconnected with rail systems of thailand and singapore with narrow gauge. Unlike Manila, Urban Mass Rapid Transport rail is not as extensive as we have it here. They have 3 lines of LRT. With one of it being completely driverless system. Manila has the first mover advantage because as we all know we have the first MRT system in Asean, even ahead of Singapore.

However our intercity rail connections is almost non-existent. In malaysia, intercity rails connect cities in peninsula. Double tracking and electrification for Kuala Lumpur-Ipoh (about 200km) is almost completed. Works are now underway to electrified and double tracked the entire stretch in Peninsula Malaysia, from Thai border to Johor Bahru (neighbouring Singapore). Commuter service serving suburban areas are using EMU while intercity train service use diesel engine. Same goes for cargo/container train service.

Being an archipelagic play the disadvantages for Pinas in connecting major cities. However i think Luzon itself is big enough to build integrated intercities rail system (be it single track or double track) to cover the whole island. From Cagayan Valley to Bicol region.

For PNR, i hope they will take lessons from neighbours. Rail is just not only for transporting people but also goods to ports and cities. In malaysia, goods from southern thailand are being routed to Penang Port because the availability of rail cargo service. The same thing can be done where goods from suburbs or MM can be transported to Subic or Manila ports. May not be faster, but of course cheaper rates.


Hi ssangyongs,
I know very little about the railways of Malaysia but am trying to learn what I can. I am hopeful of coming there in the next couple of years, possibly as part of a trip to the Philippines via Singapore.
Has Malaysia had many railway closures over the years? I have never seen an old map to compare old and new? Would you say Malaysia is also having some sort of a rethink on rail as a major mode of transport when compared to earlier years, or has it always been considered very important?
Many thanks for the description of things there.

Brad

^^ ^^ ^^ :) :) :) SORRY GUYS!!!! IM HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY INTERNET CONNECTIONS FOR THE LAST 4 DAYS... HAD TO PUT A LOT OF ATTENTION HERE. ILL BE BACK AGAIN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS ONLY... PROMISE!!! WITH UPDATES :) :) :) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


Howdee,
As long as your OK, I was wondering where you were.

Brad

Hi Brad!!!

Long time no see.... Cheers!!!!:cheers: :) :) :) Nop!!! this is not a photo edited picture.. This is how they do it before they finally put this on place.. The pier supports the whole load of the steel bridge, sufficiently but not for the loading traffic.. It need another column to complete this....

WoS

Wow, there must be some incredible stress on that joining point.
Haven't ever seen it done that way.

Brad

^^ Ahhh!!! Thanks for the photos Nathan, your so nice.!!! This is Del Gallego Town of Camarines Sur. They use to call this town a "Railroad Town" because during that old times, this town is only accessible by railroad. I like the photos, it really shows that were so way ahead of other neighbors when it comes to railways.


Is the station on the mainline south and does anyone know if it still exists?
Lovely building.
Brad

If given the opportunity, I might go to Sta. Cruz and probably locate the railway line (or most of it). When I was young, we usually went to Sta. Cruz to visit some of our relatives. There were still signs of the sta cruz line. Today, the said line is somewhat nowhere to be found.. :(


Howdee,
Many thanks for the photos, they are much appreciated. Great to get a bit of a look at Binan.

From what I am told there is still a fair bit remaining of the Sta Cruz line and much of the line is easily traceable.
The remains of the bridge at Pagsanjan is worth seeing. It must have been impressing with large steamers crossing it.

Brad

^^ :) Sorry!! El... Sorry guys, i need to log out again. I'll see if I can get back again later. Thanks a lot for all of you!!!! Malapit na me punta Manila, i will focus much on the Northrail 1 with videos and my own version renders of the station...

A few mates are planning a field trip of the Northrail in the future. Hopefully I can gain some permission to show them to you.
Looking forward to seeing what is happening there.

Brad

Brad: Yes some of it are still traceable.. The last time I was there, I still saw that hump of land (that used to have the tracks) at a ricefield inear Pila/Victoria. As far as I remembered, The former railway crossings, particularly the one in Sta. Cruz, are now buried in asphalt. I can't remember that Pagsanjan Bridge. I think I have seen it but did not pay attention on it. :)

Brad: Yes some of it are still traceable.. The last time I was there, I still saw that hump of land (that used to have the tracks) at a ricefield inear Pila/Victoria. As far as I remembered, The former railway crossings, particularly the one in Sta. Cruz, are now buried in asphalt. I can't remember that Pagsanjan Bridge. I think I have seen it but did not pay attention on it. :)

Im going from memory, but you turn right not far before you pass under that fancy entrance into town. As you travel down this side road there is a school on the right side with a lane to the left.
Turn into this land (the old ROW) and followit down to the river where you will see the piers from a once great bridge.
A friend recently followed the line. I will have to get some photos up on my website showing some of what he saw.
Yeah the crossings are pretty much covered in asphalt, but they are still easy to locate and the rails still exist immediately either side.
Twould be nice to have been able to catch the train to see the falls.

Brad

^^ok.. I think I remember it.. well slightly.. :D

You can easily recognized if it is a former railway crossing or not. the former crossing is now a big hump. The contractors did a poor job on hiding it. :nuts: :lol:

Hi ssangyongs,
I know very little about the railways of Malaysia but am trying to learn what I can. I am hopeful of coming there in the next couple of years, possibly as part of a trip to the Philippines via Singapore.
Has Malaysia had many railway closures over the years? I have never seen an old map to compare old and new? Would you say Malaysia is also having some sort of a rethink on rail as a major mode of transport when compared to earlier years, or has it always been considered very important?
Many thanks for the description of things there.

Brad
National rail services (Malayan Railway) have been maintained since the British first built the infrastructure years ago. Understandably, some sections have been closed (most of Singapore) and several stations abandoned. However, in recent years, where car ownership is higher, there has been less demand for the intercity services, with more demand for freight services.

As such, there is a scheme to double track most of the main line (Padang Besar to Johor Bahru). This will allow more trains to operate for both the commuter network and freight network while the intercity schedule can be maintained. In addition to double tracking, new routes are also being built such as the line to Pelabuhan Tanjong Pelepas (Port of Tanjong Pelepas) for freight services.

KTM commuter services have been long discussed for Johor but nothing concrete is set. Perak on the other hand, is set to set up a commuter network there to serve Penang with backing from the PM himself. Apart from commuter services, a new service the rapid train service will operate soon between KL Sentral and Ipoh stations. Similar to the commuter service, but a notch higher with larger distances. In a way, it is a fast intercity express. The service will call at the upgraded stations along the Rawang to Ipoh stretch.

The shift of rail transport, if any, is towards urbanisation of the network (upgrading services to meet needs and compete with other modes) and diversification of services.

^^ok.. I think I remember it.. well slightly.. :D

You can easily recognized if it is a former railway crossing or not. the former crossing is now a big hump. The contractors did a poor job on hiding it. :nuts: :lol:

For once a poor job is actually helpful for us :lol:

Brad

National rail services (Malayan Railway) have been maintained since the British first built the infrastructure years ago. Understandably, some sections have been closed (most of Singapore) and several stations abandoned. However, in recent years, where car ownership is higher, there has been less demand for the intercity services, with more demand for freight services.

As such, there is a scheme to double track most of the main line (Padang Besar to Johor Bahru). This will allow more trains to operate for both the commuter network and freight network while the intercity schedule can be maintained. In addition to double tracking, new routes are also being built such as the line to Pelabuhan Tanjong Pelepas (Port of Tanjong Pelepas) for freight services.

KTM commuter services have been long discussed for Johor but nothing concrete is set. Perak on the other hand, is set to set up a commuter network there to serve Penang with backing from the PM himself. Apart from commuter services, a new service the rapid train service will operate soon between KL Sentral and Ipoh stations. Similar to the commuter service, but a notch higher with larger distances. In a way, it is a fast intercity express. The service will call at the upgraded stations along the Rawang to Ipoh stretch.

The shift of rail transport, if any, is towards urbanisation of the network (upgrading services to meet needs and compete with other modes) and diversification of services.

Thank you for the update from Malaysia.
The system there looks very interesting, I look forward to visiting ASAP.

Brad

http://gladalvero.multiply.com/photos/album/8/patuloy_na_labanan_ang_pnr-mrp

^^ Hello Guys!!!! Arrggg!!!! :cheers:

Is the station on the mainline south and does anyone know if it still exists?
Lovely building.
Brad

^^ Hello!!! The last time i've been there was 2001 and I noticed the station was not anymore as good as it was on the picture posted here. I think in the photos, the left train is the Penafrancia Express while on the right being pulled by GE5000 was the commuter train service between Del Gallego and Naga City 5 trips per day in each direction....

WoS

Wow, there must be some incredible stress on that joining point.
Haven't ever seen it done that way.

Brad

^^ We have one posted here. A picture of a certain Pangasinan Bridge being built a couple of years ago. Steel bridge and the other end was temporarily left hanging....

Concrete Footings are so massive and they can really provide a very stable platforms for heavy loads... The same thing was happened also in the Guadalupe MRT Steel Bride by Mitsubishi... where they temporarily hang off one two of its end but supported at the center to make it balanced... for a while...

Howdee,
As long as your OK, I was wondering where you were.

Brad
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

^^^^ ^^ I will never leave Northrail and Southrail enthusiasm... ^^ ^^ ^^

http://gladalvero.multiply.com/photos/album/8/patuloy_na_labanan_ang_pnr-mrp

^^ To be honest, I don't like this website, it's too negative and cannot really help... Anyone who sees it will definitely loose hope. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Id rather thank you Brad, Sir Kalbongdad, Nathan for your photos and also all of the SSC , because your photos comes from the heart and gives inspiration to correct what went wrong..:)

^^ I think a friend of mine who recently passed by at the Malolos Construction site told me that there are already some developments happening around there compared to 2 months ago since the last time the President visited that place... Hope we could have an update.. Many footing trecnche have been digged and some are erected already.. All I am after is the distance between the retaining wall near the station so we can come up a conclusion to really what will be the no. tracks are they going to lay there...:)

^^ Hello!!! The last time i've been there was 2001 and I noticed the station was not anymore as good as it was on the picture posted here. I think in the photos, the left train is the Penafrancia Express while on the right being pulled by GE5000 was the commuter train service between Del Gallego and Naga City 5 trips per day in each direction....

WoS

Hi Wheels,
Thanks for this, I had no idea the commuter service there was so extensive.
The locomotive is an earlier 2500 class, possible 2516 or 2518.
We believe the Penafrancia train we believe to still be in existence as IC-888 (see my website).

Brad

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

^^^^ ^^ I will never leave Northrail and Southrail enthusiasm... ^^ ^^ ^^

Glad to hear it :banana:

^^ To be honest, I don't like this website, it's too negative and cannot really help... Anyone who sees it will definitely loose hope. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Id rather thank you Brad, Sir Kalbongdad, Nathan for your photos and also all of the SSC , because your photos comes from the heart and gives inspiration to correct what went wrong..:)


Hi Wheels,
While I can't understand the tagalog appearing in the photographs, I did wonder whether it was supposed to be aimed in support of the squatters.
Still they make a record for the future I suppose.

Best wishes
Brad

Hi Wheels,
Thanks for this, I had no idea the commuter service there was so extensive.
The locomotive is an earlier 2500 class, possible 2516 or 2518.
We believe the Penafrancia train we believe to still be in existence as IC-888 (see my website).

Brad

^^ Yup, when I was young and riding this train, we use to pass this Del Gallego Towns, about 60kms west of Naga. I always see this park train, 2500 class, its awesome, I almost forgot that It was indeed the first commuter service of PNR in Bicol. That's why southrail that time plays an intense important role in the economic activity of Del Gallego...

WoS

Hi Wheels,
While I can't understand the tagalog appearing in the photographs, I did wonder whether it was supposed to be aimed in support of the squatters.
Still they make a record for the future I suppose.

Best wishes
Brad

^^ It simply means "OPPOSE WHATEVER MOVES TO DEMOLISH SHANTIES ALONG PNR ROW"... That's a strong signal this website is against the development of all peope.... tssk tssk!!!!

^^ I have a news that demolishing teams, while waiting for the go go signal for the completion of the relocation sites are scheduled to do task for the relocation of houses affected by C5 extension.. Nice cause, for a while only so that houses can be prepared by the owners itself.... I hope the relocation sites are ready by now!!!

^^ Got to go for a while friends. Until this time I still need to fix my internet shop... See you tommorrow guys. I wish we could all have a fresh updates from our beloved project.. Il check if I can log on later... bye bye!!! Take good care for all my SSC Friends :banana: :banana: :banana:

^^ It simply means "OPPOSE WHATEVER MOVES TO DEMOLISH SHANTIES ALONG PNR ROW"... That's a strong signal this website is against the development of all peope.... tssk tssk!!!!

Ahhhh thanks for that.
Hmmmmm its amazing, from not understanding the lamguage, one can get the completely wrong impression.
I saved the photo of the notice by the vice president.

Brad

^^ Got to go for a while friends. Until this time I still need to fix my internet shop... See you tommorrow guys. I wish we could all have a fresh updates from our beloved project.. Il check if I can log on later... bye bye!!! Take good care for all my SSC Friends :banana: :banana: :banana:


No worries mate, it will be great to have you back on the thread regularly again.

I to must go. Another Philo birthday party tonight. This time the asawa of a Pinay friend.

Talk to you soon. Working the next two days, but will try to pop in between these.

Salamat
Brad

Kakapanood ko lamang ng Reporter's Notebook sa Channel 7 ngayong gabi at ako'y nabahala sa aking mga nasaksihan. Bagama't hindi ko napanood ang kabuuan ng segment ukol sa North Rail at South Rail, ang naunawaan ko ay may mga suliranin pala ukol dito na hindi nabanggit sa mga talakayan sa thread na ito.

Ipinakita sa footage ang pag-interbyu sa ilang mga Tsinong inhinyero na kung di ako nagkakamali ay nakabase sa isang compound sa Malolos. Lumalabas na bagama't nanatili lamang sila doon at wala talagang ginagawang konstruksyon pa ay patuloy silang pinapasweldo ng kanilang mga kumpanyang kinabibilangan. Ipinakita ng camera ang mga bakal na kinakalawang na dahil sa tatlong taon na ang mga ito'y naka-tenga at nakabilad sa mga elemento. Ipinakita rin ang mga datos ukol sa patuloy na tumataas na interes (sapagka't ang pondo para rito'y utang) bagama't walang nangyayaring pag-usad ang proyekto.

Nagsagawa rin ng pagsisiyasat ang Senado at ayon kay Senador Biazon ay lumalabas na lubhang "over-priced" ang proyektong ito dahil ikinumpara nila ang gugol sa isang nakakatulad na proyekto sa Australia. Mas mahal rin ang North Rail kaysa Southrail gayong mas maikli ng dalawang kilometro ang nauna.

Isa pang isyu na binanggit ay ang di pagdaan sa proseso ng bidding ang proyektong ito gayong ang kasunduan ay hindi naman bansa sa bansa kundi sa pagitan ng mga kumpanya.

Ipinakita rin ang nakalulunos na kalagayan ng mga kababayan nating nasa relokasyon.

Sana ay may makapagbigay-linaw ukol sa mga isyung nabanggit mula sa panig ng gobyerno o di kaya ay mga kumpanyang sangkot. Kung may makakapagpakita ng video ng Reporter's Notebook na ipinalabas kanina lamang ay lubos na makatutulong upang lalong maging maliwanag ang mga isyu ukol sa proyektong ito.

Kakapanood ko lamang ng Reporter's Notebook sa Channel 7 ngayong gabi at ako'y nabahala sa aking mga nasaksihan. Bagama't hindi ko napanood ang kabuuan ng segment ukol sa North Rail at South Rail, ang naunawaan ko ay may mga suliranin pala ukol dito na hindi nabanggit sa mga talakayan sa thread na ito.

Ipinakita sa footage ang pag-interview sa ilang mga Tsinong inhinyero na kung di ako nagkakamali ay nakabase sa isang compound sa Malolos. Lumalabas na bagama't nanatili lamang sila doon at wala talagang ginagawang konstruksyon pa ay patuloy silang pinapasweldo ng kanilang mga kumpanyang kinabibilangan. Ipinakita ng camera ang mga bakal na kinakalawang na dahil sa tatlong taon na ang mga ito'y naka-tenga at nakabilad sa mga elemento. Ipinakita rin ang mga datos ukol sa patuloy na tumataas na interes (sapagka't ang pondo para rito'y utang) bagama't walang nangyayaring pag-usad ang proyekto.

Nagsagawa rin ng pagsisiyasat ang Senado at ayon kay Senador Biazon ay lumalabas na lubhang "over-priced" ang proyektong ito dahil ikinumpara nila ang gugol sa isang nakakatulad na proyekto sa Australia. Mas mahal rin ang North Rail kaysa Southrail gayong mas maikli ng dalawang kilometro ang nauna.

Isa pang isyu na binanggit ay ang di pagdaan sa proseso ng bidding ang proyektong ito gayong ang kasunduan ay hindi naman bansa sa bansa kundi sa pagitan ng mga kumpanya.

Ipinakita rin ang nakalulunos na kalagayan ng mga kababayan nating nasa relokasyon.

Sana ay may makapagbigay-linaw ukol sa mga isyung nabanggit mula sa panig ng gobyerno o di kaya ay mga kumpanyang sangkot. Kung may makakapagpakita ng video ng Reporter's Notebook na ipinalabas kanina lamang ay lubos na makatutulong upang lalong maging maliwanag ang mga isyu ukol sa proyektong ito.

First off, bravo to your post. I rarely see a post in this forum in all Tagalog/Filipino, although you had to use some English words for comprehension's sake. It makes my re-learning of Tagalog that much easier. Thanks and keep it up!

Anyway, that is really dreadful news from what I understood of your post. From the impression I got from some posters, there is some movement going on in the construction of Northrail and the Link Project, with Southrail soon to follow in the beginning of 2008. But if what you say is true, then there might be something else going on if truly the railway parts are rusting in the weather and if the project isn't going anywhere at this point. Hopefully, someone can shed light on this matter.

I really hope this Northrail-Southrail project comes to fruition as it will be beneficial for the Filipino people. Enough with the constant delays, let's MOVE ON along with the constantly progressing world.

Kakapanood ko lamang ng Reporter's Notebook sa Channel 7 ngayong gabi at ako'y nabahala sa aking mga nasaksihan. Bagama't hindi ko napanood ang kabuuan ng segment ukol sa North Rail at South Rail, ang naunawaan ko ay may mga suliranin pala ukol dito na hindi nabanggit sa mga talakayan sa thread na ito.

Ipinakita sa footage ang pag-interview sa ilang mga Tsinong inhinyero na kung di ako nagkakamali ay nakabase sa isang compound sa Malolos. Lumalabas na bagama't nanatili lamang sila doon at wala talagang ginagawang konstruksyon pa ay patuloy silang pinapasweldo ng kanilang mga kumpanyang kinabibilangan. Ipinakita ng camera ang mga bakal na kinakalawang na dahil sa tatlong taon na ang mga ito'y naka-tenga at nakabilad sa mga elemento. Ipinakita rin ang mga datos ukol sa patuloy na tumataas na interes (sapagka't ang pondo para rito'y utang) bagama't walang nangyayaring pag-usad ang proyekto.

Nagsagawa rin ng pagsisiyasat ang Senado at ayon kay Senador Biazon ay lumalabas na lubhang "over-priced" ang proyektong ito dahil ikinumpara nila ang gugol sa isang nakakatulad na proyekto sa Australia. Mas mahal rin ang North Rail kaysa Southrail gayong mas maikli ng dalawang kilometro ang nauna.

Isa pang isyu na binanggit ay ang di pagdaan sa proseso ng bidding ang proyektong ito gayong ang kasunduan ay hindi naman bansa sa bansa kundi sa pagitan ng mga kumpanya.

Ipinakita rin ang nakalulunos na kalagayan ng mga kababayan nating nasa relokasyon.

Sana ay may makapagbigay-linaw ukol sa mga isyung nabanggit mula sa panig ng gobyerno o di kaya ay mga kumpanyang sangkot. Kung may makakapagpakita ng video ng Reporter's Notebook na ipinalabas kanina lamang ay lubos na makatutulong upang lalong maging maliwanag ang mga isyu ukol sa proyektong ito.

ui, aus to ah, "tenetentene tenene, ito po si icarus-rising naguulat para sa riles patrol" Pwdeng pwde sa TV patrol World...haha.

from icarus:
Mas mahal rin ang North Rail kaysa Southrail gayong mas maikli ng dalawang kilometro ang nauna.

-di ba rehab lng sa South rail kaya nga masmura e, ung north ang totally brand new

napanood ko na.. maanomalya nga..

here.. panoorin nyo po..

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/11853/Reporter's-Notebook-Northrail

:uh:

First off, bravo to your post. I rarely see a post in this forum in all Tagalog/Filipino, although you had to use some English words for comprehension's sake. It makes my re-learning of Tagalog that much easier. Thanks and keep it up!

Anyway, that is really dreadful news from what I understood of your post. From the impression I got from some posters, there is some movement going on in the construction of Northrail and the Link Project, with Southrail soon to follow in the beginning of 2008. But if what you say is true, then there might be something else going on if truly the railway parts are rusting in the weather and if the project isn't going anywhere at this point. Hopefully, someone can shed light on this matter.
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For those of us limited to the one language, could someone give a brief overview of what he said, especially in regards to what the dreadful parts are supposed to be?

Much thanks
Brad

For those of us limited to the one language, could someone give a brief overview of what he said, especially in regards to what the dreadful parts are supposed to be?

Much thanks
Brad

hi brad.. it's actually about the video which i posted.. well the video itself is in tagalog..:lol:
it's about the anomalies surrounding the project.. they calculated how the gov't spends money on a daily basis, something like that.. because they pay their workers even though the project hasn't even started yet.. sen. biazon on the other hand questions the budget and the price for the northrail proj. arguing that this stretch is 2 km less than the southrail, and questions the need for the higher budget/price..


*hey brad.. just try to understand what i said.. i admit i'm not a good english speaker/writer too..:lol: good day!!

hi brad.. it's actually about the video which i posted.. well the video itself is in tagalog..:lol:
it's about the anomalies surrounding the project.. they calculated how the gov't spends money on a daily basis, something like that.. because they pay their workers even though the project hasn't even started yet.. sen. biazon on the other hand questions the budget and the price for the northrail proj. arguing that this stretch is 2 km less than the southrail, and questions the need for the higher budget/price..


*hey brad.. just try to understand what i said.. i admit i'm not a good english speaker/writer too..:lol: good day!!


Mate, thanks for that. Your english is great, I wouldn't be worried about that.

I personally would have expected the Northrail section to be far higher than Southrail.
The extended elevated sections alone would trigger a far higher cost than the Southrail which will remain at land level, or hopefully about a metre above it.
After squatter removal (which both need) Southrail only needs to have rails lifts, ROW cleaned up and railways laid properly. It is a process thats a lot easir than the Northrail which has been closed for many years.
The paying of the workers despite the project not fully starting is an interesting one. I suspect that they already got the people and these delays have resulted in this. The cost of continually paying them may be considered worthwhile rather than having again to find apropriate staff when the delays are finished with.
Is the journalist refering to time before they started the project, or more recent times where they had actually already started (much work had already been done by my visit) and were waiting the outcome of the court cases?

Hopefully it is a bit of journalistic exageration, journalists (of which I am pretty much myself) are well known for this :lol:

I think we can breath easy that the Philippines will get this new Northrail, LInkage and hopefully Southrail projects. As long as some journalist dosen't stir up unwarranted panic :(

Thanks again for explaining. Found the video footage and it has some interesting location shots.

Brad

Hmmmmm, just listened to the whole lot and there is a huge difference in costings for both the lines.
$50 million Vs $503 million

That is rather a huge difference. If his reference to the Southrail project refers to Manila through to Calamba then I think the $50,000 is actually somewhat underpriced when you consider cost of moving the squatters, demolishing squatter residences, rebuilding every station, removing trackage, relaying trackage, new second track and associated formation work and the brand new rollingstock.
I think they may have to look into whether or not the quoted $50,000 for the linkage project is actually majorly underpriced. I can't see the new railcars or the stations costing less than this on their own.

He also quotes costs for a new railway to be built in Australia.
Does this include the costs of new rollingstocks like Northrail/Southrail? Our railway track companies are usually (not always) seperate to the operators who provide the rollingstock nowdays.
Certainly buying new locomotives for a line out here would be a very expensive proposition.

Brad

Howdee,
Part of the footage shows a deep extended cutting running alongside a road bridge.
Anyone know where this is?

Interesting to see such a deep cutting. I wonder if something os to be build over the line in this location?

Brad

My apologies to non-Tagalog speakers. Let me translate it in full for you...

Kakapanood ko lamang ng Reporter's Notebook sa Channel 7 ngayong gabi at ako'y nabahala sa aking mga nasaksihan. Bagama't hindi ko napanood ang kabuuan ng segment ukol sa North Rail at South Rail, ang naunawaan ko ay may mga suliranin pala ukol dito na hindi nabanggit sa mga talakayan sa
thread na ito.

I've just watched Reporter's Notebook on Channel 7 this evening and I felt uncomfortable about what I saw. Though I wasn't able to view the segment regarding North Rail and South rail in full, what I understood is that there are issues about it which weren't mentioned in this thread.

Ipinakita sa footage ang pag-interbyu sa ilang mga Tsinong inhinyero na kung di ako nagkakamali ay nakabase sa isang compound sa Malolos. Lumalabas na bagama't nanatili lamang sila doon at wala talagang ginagawang konstruksyon pa ay patuloy silang pinapasweldo ng kanilang mga kumpanyang kinabibilangan. Ipinakita ng camera ang mga bakal na kinakalawang na dahil sa tatlong taon na ang mga ito'y naka-tenga at nakabilad sa mga elemento. Ipinakita rin ang mga datos ukol sa patuloy na tumataas na interes (sapagka't ang pondo para rito'y utang) bagama't walang nangyayaring pag-usad ang proyekto.

The footages showed an interview with some Chinese engineers which if I'm not mistaken are based within a compound in Malolos. It appears that although they aren't doing any contruction work yet, the companies they work for are paying them their salaries. The camera focused on rusting metal rods which have been idle for three years now and exposed to the elements. Also shown were the data regarding the rising interest to pay (because the funding is from a loan) eventhough they haven't started work on the project yet.

Nagsagawa rin ng pagsisiyasat ang Senado at ayon kay Senador Biazon ay lumalabas na lubhang "over-priced" ang proyektong ito dahil ikinumpara nila ang gugol sa isang nakakatulad na proyekto sa Australia. Mas mahal rin ang North Rail kaysa Southrail gayong mas maikli ng dalawang kilometro ang nauna.

The Senate has also made an investigation and according to Senator Biazon, the project is highly overpriced because they have compared the cost to a similar venture in Australia. The North Rail costs more than the South Rail despite the fact that it is shorter by two kilometers.

Isa pang isyu na binanggit ay ang di pagdaan sa proseso ng bidding ang proyektong ito gayong ang kasunduan ay hindi naman bansa sa bansa kundi sa pagitan ng mga kumpanya.

Another issue that was pointed out was that this project did not go through a public bidding which should have been the case since it is an agreement between companies and not between states.

Ipinakita rin ang nakalulunos na kalagayan ng mga kababayan nating nasa relokasyon.

Also shown was the pitiful state of our countrymen in the relocation sites.

Sana ay may makapagbigay-linaw ukol sa mga isyung nabanggit mula sa panig ng gobyerno o di kaya ay mga kumpanyang sangkot. Kung may makakapagpakita ng video ng Reporter's Notebook na ipinalabas kanina lamang ay lubos na makatutulong upang lalong maging maliwanag ang mga isyu ukol sa proyektong ito.

I hope somebody from the government or the firms involved could shed light into these issues. It would be very helpful if someone could show the video of Reporter's Notebook aired earlier.

Tudla Productions' Photography Visit: The most telling photos come from the most telling realities
Posted by tudla on Sep 17, '07 10:53 PM for everyone
Start: Sep 17, '07 11:00p
End: Sep 21, '07
Location: University of the Philippines-Diliman College of Mass Communication Skywalk

Visit the UP College of Mass Communication Skywalk for the Pitik Mulat Photography Visit- Exhibit featuring the photos of student photographers from UP Diliman. The photos highlight the "tabing-riles" communities in Sampaloc, Manila, now threatened of a wipe out by the government, to give way to the "modernization" of the Philippine National Railways, through an anomalous contract with Chinese and Korean firms. This flagship infrastructure project of the Arroyo government involves the "largest planned displacement of people in the history of the Philippines, with more than 100, 000 families affected."

My apologies to non-Tagalog speakers. Let me translate it in full for you...

I've just watched Reporter's Notebook on Channel 7 this evening and I felt uncomfortable about what I saw. Though I wasn't able to view the segment regarding North Rail and South rain in full, what I understood is that there are issues about it which weren't mentioned in this thread.

The footages showed an interview with some Chinese engineers which if I'm not mistaken is based within a compound in Malolos. It appears that although they aren't doing any contruction work yet, the companies they work for are paying them their salaries. The camera focused on rusting metal rods which have been idle for three years now and exposed to the elements. Also shown were the data regarding the rising interest to pay (because the funding is from a loan) eventhough they haven't started work on the project yet.

The Senate has also made an investigation and according to Senator Biazon, the project is highly overpriced because they have compared the cost to a similar venture in Australia. The North Rail costs more than the South Rail despite the fact that it is shorter by two kilometers.

Another issue that was pointed out was that this project did not go through a public bidding which should have been the case since it is an agreement between companies and not between states.
Also shown was the pitiful state of our countrymen in the relocation sites.

I hope somebody from the government or the firms involved could shed light into these issues. It would be very helpful if someone could show the video of Reporter's Notebook aired earlier.

Salamat for translating that for me. It must have taken some time and I appreciate it.
So hard to find information on the railways of your wonderful country. I look forward to each and every report and discussion on here.
This report certainly does warrant some discussuions here. Regardless of what side of the story, it is certainly a shame that the contstruction materials have been left to deteriorate.

Best wishes
Brad

I just watched the video.. Here is the thing and its my opinion and observation, mediamen almost or always make these stories bigger than what it should be. They either add or remove a little bit of something so that their story will be credible and "appealing" to the people especially to the "masa".

Here is one question, Do the Australian project and Northrail Project identical? Do the Australian government have problems with railway squatters?

I just watched the video.. Here is the thing and its my opinion and observation, mediamen almost or always make these stories bigger than what it should be. They either add or remove a little bit of something so that their story will be credible and "appealing" to the people especially to the "masa".

You are totally correct. I often cringe when railway related reports appear on the news here as the journalist almost always makes ridiculous statements.
Most recently was when a coal train hit two railway workers and killed them. Do they ask railway people for their opinion? Nope, they ask this old woman from across the road who said the coal train was going so fast it took nearly a kilometre to stop.
The train was going at line speed, but have you ever tried to stop a fully loaded coal train of about 40+ coal hoppers. Its not like stopping a car.
Still the old womans story was better than the truth, so the journalist knows he will sell more papers.
Once again the olf journalist line comes in to play, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".
Journalists here are treated with similar suspicion to car sales people and politicians :lol:

Here is one question, Do the Australian project and Northrail Project identical? Do the Australian government have problems with railway squatters?

Nowhere near identical. I don't know what line he got his quotes (I'm guessing he chose not to go with the new Epping-Chatswood underground railway) from but the prices would not include new rollingstock, would not include removing squatters (we don't have many of them) and I have yet to see a recent line with as much elevated railway as proposed on Northrail.

Journalists really irritate me, if they don't know what they are talking about they should shut up. THis sort of thing just causes more friction and puts Southrail in jeopardy.

Another old saying:

"Better journalists keep their mouths shut and appear stupid than open their mouths and confirm it" :lol:

Regards
Brad

Tudla Productions' Photography Visit: The most telling photos come from the most telling realities
Posted by tudla on Sep 17, '07 10:53 PM for everyone
Start: Sep 17, '07 11:00p
End: Sep 21, '07
Location: University of the Philippines-Diliman College of Mass Communication Skywalk

Visit the UP College of Mass Communication Skywalk for the Pitik Mulat Photography Visit- Exhibit featuring the photos of student photographers from UP Diliman. The photos highlight the "tabing-riles" communities in Sampaloc, Manila, now threatened of a wipe out by the government, to give way to the "modernization" of the Philippine National Railways, through an anomalous contract with Chinese and Korean firms. This flagship infrastructure project of the Arroyo government involves the "largest planned displacement of people in the history of the Philippines, with more than 100, 000 families affected."


looks like there are anomalies in the projects of GMA like ZTE broadband deal and many more projects,tsk tsk,,darn MEDIA MEN even railways, oh no=( ! ! what the a heck of a job, just to have a news.. i hate journalist," those who are pasaway only ha"!!!,tsk tsk,

Journalists really irritate me, if they don't know what they are talking about they should shut up. THis sort of thing just causes more friction and puts Southrail in jeopardy.

Another old saying:

"Better journalists keep their mouths shut and appear stupid than open their mouths and confirm it" :lol:

Regards
Brad

Yes, that's unfortunate, because they often have deadlines to meet, and the truth gets left behind in the rush. One needs to keep a discerning attitude when reading the news.