Yes, that's unfortunate, because they often have deadlines to meet, and the truth gets left behind in the rush. One needs to keep a discerning attitude when reading the news.

Some years ago I was involved in a group who were trying to get light rail (MRT/LRT) reinstated to Sydney streets.
We would have occasional marches etc and the journalists would be there. They were often rude and arrogant, but the worst thing was then they print stuff that wasn't even said and didn't bare much resemblence to the fact.
I'm often concerned about everything I read in the newspaper. If they can get something as simple as railways wrong, how much of what we are fed about the country, the war etc is actually true?
If I was to listen only to what the newspapers say I would have been to scared to come to my second home, the Philippines.

Brad

## CARMONA LINE SEPT 07 ##

The following shots were taken by Jaime during an inspection of the Carmona line by the PRHS.

Brad

http://bp3.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/RvEVQivu23I/AAAAAAAAATA/u1XQdBqZ3Yo/s1600/IMG_1290.JPG

PNR's tropical Jungle

http://bp1.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/RvETqCvu21I/AAAAAAAAASw/60lR3SL1YG4/s1600/IMG_1289.JPG

SAN PEDRO - SHOWING JUNCTION FOR CARMONA

Southrail to Bicol is to the left where the usual maganda Pinay's are walking, while the branchline to Carmona (actually dosen't reach Carmona proper) is on the right.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/Ru_Hip-qTjI/AAAAAAAAAR4/ssrXpDDbJyM/s1600/IMG_1331.JPG

The actual junction points for the Carmona branchline.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/Ru_AaJ-qTeI/AAAAAAAAARQ/A-sECFC98ss/s1600/IMG_1336.JPG

^ I think there's something wrong with the photolinks, I don't see the photos :)

^ I think there's something wrong with the photolinks, I don't see the photos :)


They are working fine here mate.
I have noticed this occasionally happens on SSC. No idea why, but they seem to come good.

Brad

napanood ko na.. maanomalya nga..

here.. panoorin nyo po..

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/11853/Reporter's-Notebook-Northrail

:uh:


^^ Ay sus!!!! Maniwala kayo dyan sa report... Walang kwenta po ang mga report na yan.... :) :) :) Syempre galit lahat ng media kay PGMA so expect the worst.. ha ha ha!!!! Kalokohan po yung mga anomalya na yan... Ano kayo... hilo!!! The video coverage of GMA7 was old.. They use the old one so as to emphasize nothing has been done!!!

^^ Ay sus!!!! Maniwala kayo dyan sa report... Walang kwenta po ang mga report na yan.... :) :) :) Syempre galit lahat ng media kay PGMA so expect the worst.. ha ha ha!!!! Kalokohan po yung mga anomalya na yan... Ano kayo... hilo!!! The video coverage of GMA7 was old.. They use the old one so as to emphasize nothing has been done!!!

Perhaps they can show even older footage, say the 70s, and see how well PNR is doing with all that freight and passenger traffic :lol:

Brad

"Better journalists keep their mouths shut and appear stupid than open their mouths and confirm it" :lol:


nice one brad. I've seen a few journalists who made themselves stupid. Heck, they even forget their reports in front of the camera! Talk about credibility :nuts:


Yes, that's unfortunate, because they often have deadlines to meet, and the truth gets left behind in the rush. One needs to keep a discerning attitude when reading the news.


Here is my opinion on this. The truth will never get behind unless it is intentionally left behind. :)

^^ Ay sus!!!! Maniwala kayo dyan sa report... Walang kwenta po ang mga report na yan.... :) :) :) Syempre galit lahat ng media kay PGMA so expect the worst.. ha ha ha!!!! Kalokohan po yung mga anomalya na yan... Ano kayo... hilo!!! The video coverage of GMA7 was old.. They use the old one so as to emphasize nothing has been done!!!

Distortion of the truth? What else is new with these people? Basta Negative, Patok! They even hardly touch the Positive news. Yung positive news eh yung nababalik yung wallet ng nakaiwan! dyosmiyo! Yes it is positive but still self-serving! They will report it because the one who got the wallet will go to their station. :bash:

Probably and Possibly the good thing with PGMA and as Mon Tulfo said in his inquirer column, PGMA is callous with the mediamen/mediawomen's reports. :D

Brad: I also can't see the pics.. :(

Yes, that's unfortunate, because they often have deadlines to meet, and the truth gets left behind in the rush. One needs to keep a discerning attitude when reading the news.

I believe it's not the case of rush here. It's about how they play up or downplay an issue. It's how the media, the gatekeepers of information angles it. It's sensationalism. What's controversial sells.

Now that the ZTE broadband deal of the government is under media fire, it is to be expected that other government dealings would be under media scrutiny too. Of course we need the media for good governance. Mass communication and journalism students know that the press is referred to as the "fourth estate" which means it is a vital compliment for the check and balance of a democratic society.

But too much democracy or the misuse of it can be bad. I've always believed that the truth can set as free. However as regards mass media in this society that we have, things just get muddled more and more instead of arriving at a crystal clear truth. I often end up lost or confused with the often conflicting, hodge podge of messages the media offers.

In a magazine interview, Lee Kuan Yew once said that leaders in a Chinese or Malay society need some form of stature in order to lead effectively. By caricaturizing our leaders, I think the media has diminished their efficacy and made them inutile. The kind of democracy we have just isn't fit for our society.

yup.. i noticed the videos.. and not enough sources, intervies etc.. they make their own facts, the only thing credible is sen. biazon..:ohno:

..speaking of juornalism.. i found this... (warning: OT:lol: )

_GWtsx35xeE

nice one brad. I've seen a few journalists who made themselves stupid. Heck, they even forget their reports in front of the camera! Talk about credibility :nuts:




Forgot in front of the camera :lol:
How embarrasing would that be for a supposed professional.

Brad

Brad: I also can't see the pics.. :(

This is unusual.
Can anyone on the thread see the Carmona pics above?
They still show here in the thread on my computer so its a bit of a mystery :(
I suppose you could right click the X and get the URL out of the properties.

The mysteries of computers. There is something they should have covered on 'The X Files' :lol:

Brad

This is unusual.
Can anyone on the thread see the Carmona pics above?
They still show here in the thread on my computer so its a bit of a mystery :(
I suppose you could right click the X and get the URL out of the properties.

The mysteries of computers. There is something they should have covered on 'The X Files' :lol:

Brad

from BRAD:

http://file.uploadr.com/108e2-embed

http://file.uploadr.com/108e3-embed


wow nice pics,nice update brad....

^^ Ay sus!!!! Maniwala kayo dyan sa report... Walang kwenta po ang mga report na yan.... :) :) :) Syempre galit lahat ng media kay PGMA so expect the worst.. ha ha ha!!!! Kalokohan po yung mga anomalya na yan... Ano kayo... hilo!!! The video coverage of GMA7 was old.. They use the old one so as to emphasize nothing has been done!!!

hey guys, look at some parts of the video of that GMAtv, most of the videos are pertaining to the commuter line and not at the Northrail..haha,

look at this video, it is not only PNR who has many obstructing structures along the railroad in the wholeworld. This is a video Bangkok Train
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=I0FUIBP6

You've done a nice piece of research! :) It seems that in spite of this, Thais will not flagellate themselves, nor whine and gripe to no end. They have better infrastructure now, despite corruption.

the video was comparable to the PNR.. but i think theirs is worse dont you?:lol: do we have flea/food markets on the track itself? i hope not.. i've never seen pulling out your products and awnings to give way to the train..:lol:

i like their train though.. looks a lot like LRT..

yup.. i noticed the videos.. and not enough sources, intervies etc.. they make their own facts, the only thing credible is sen. biazon..:ohno:

..speaking of juornalism.. i found this... (warning: OT:lol: )

_GWtsx35xeE

For the second time, this made my day. :hahaha:
This is my last time, I'll comment about these journalist. I just want to share what I got the other day.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/406/78hb0006ck6.jpg

What the heck? Even Webster dictionary does not acknowledge the word "holdupper". konyo? :lol:

Back to the topic: I was watching the NBN-ZTE hearing yesterday. I'm thinking how this issue will affect PGMA's other project particularly the Northrail and Southrail. Are there others who watched it?

kaelthas18: wow.. I was.. speechless.. The good thing is *from what I know* PNR does not have a problem like that. Railway that transforms into a Wet Market. Amazing!

look at this video, it is not only PNR who has many obstructing structures along the railroad in the wholeworld. This is a video Bangkok Train
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=I0FUIBP6

Have seen photos of this sort of thing in Indonesia and Vietnam as well. The building of structures awfully close to tracks is quite common unfortunately.

Brad

the video was comparable to the PNR.. but i think theirs is worse dont you?:lol: do we have flea/food markets on the track itself? i hope not..



Back in 2004 (didn't look this time) but markets existed on the trackage immediately south of the crossing at Alabang station.
Seemed they were of a construction that could easily be packed up in a hurry. Not unlike the adult video ones in Quiapo that disappear on pushbikes within 20 seconds :lol:

Brad

Northrail Old Stations

Angeles-closed
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/Angeles.jpg

Caloocan-demolished
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/Calloocan.jpg

Southrail Old Stations

Blumentritt-Open
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/2007_02_09_Bluementritt_Station_Bra.jpg

España-Open
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/2007_02_09_Espana_Station_Brad_Pead.jpg

Laong Laan-Open
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/2007_02_09_Laon_Laan_Station_Brad_P.jpg

Pandacan-Open
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/2007_02_09_Pandacan_Station_Brad_Pe.jpg

Paco (current)-Open
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/Paco.jpg

Paco (original)-Closed
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/Paco_Station_B.jpg

Calamba
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/Peafrancia_Calamba.jpg

Tayuman Tower
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/TayumanTower.jpg

Tayuman Wagonshed
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/TayumanWagonshed.jpg

Not sure if this YouTube has been mentioned before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHmhUniyuQ

Perhaps PNR can attract customers by getting lovely ladies like this to stand at level crossings.
Hmmmm of course it may distract road users who may have an accident. :lol:

http://www.geocities.com/philippinerailwayhistorical/2007_07_27_Anna_BOTsign_A_Brad_Peadon_USE.JPG

Northrail Old Stations



Kumusta GearX,
My pics are famous.

Sadly I can take credit for the shots of:

Paco (Original)
Calamba
Tayuman Wagonshed (though I do have many similar)

The rest are all mine, including good ol Caloocan before it was destroyed.

Regards
Brad
** Is that you in the picture? Your very maganda :) Unusual to find woman with a train interest, the asawa certainly hates them. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZOqb3molM

Good ol Lake Paco is becoming world famous :lol:

By coincidence the last carriage, CMC-380 is the one I rode in February. Twas the last carriage then to.

Brad

the video was comparable to the PNR.. but i think theirs is worse dont you?:lol: do we have flea/food markets on the track itself? i hope not.. i've never seen pulling out your products and awnings to give way to the train..:lol:

i like their train though.. looks a lot like LRT..

the PNR also have 1 like that, after Bicutan Station along the level crossing at Gen. Santos Ave, in Parañaque.. there are many vendors there, there is also a wet market, and "many sabungeros" or cock fighting along the rail tracks.. , also after alabang station, it is also crowded...and very muddy tracks..cos theres no drainage

Kumusta GearX,
My pics are famous.

Sadly I can take credit for the shots of:

Paco (Original)
Calamba
Tayuman Wagonshed (though I do have many similar)

The rest are all mine, including good ol Caloocan before it was destroyed.

Regards
Brad
** Is that you in the picture? Your very maganda :) Unusual to find woman with a train interest, the asawa certainly hates them. :lol:

not really a trainaholic-type...but was just curious of your site and made some posts of pics from your site...^^ ..dami kasi nagtatanong "Where's the pic?" so I thought they were looking for those pics from your site. ...yup, that's me.^^ Thanks for the compliment...:banana:

hi people (at this time hi guys seems inappropriate! :D)

is there any substantial construction going on for the Northrail? from what i understand from the said news, the construction is somewhat halted? I'm a bit troubled with the news by GMA7 but of course sometimes their news is sensationalized and they focus more on the ratings rather than the facts. An update (video or picture) about the Northrail would surely wipe out the notion that the project is "reported" to be delayed!

thanks!

people,

I did some digging! and found this! but of course this is just a report. It would be really nice if we can have pictures! *wish* :lol:

Northrail project gets back on track; new head appointed

http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view_article.php?article_id=88707

By Riza T. Olchondra
Inquirer
Last updated 01:21am (Mla time) 09/15/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) on Friday said the north rail extension project will get back on track with a new officer appointed to replace the late Transport Undersecretary Jose Cortes Jr. as chair of the Northrail Corp.

DOTC said Malacañang has appointed former Bases Conversion and Development Authority chairperson Arsenio M. Bartolome III as president, CEO and chair of Northrail.

Bartolome said that when the rail project is finished, it would link Metro Manila with the rest of Luzon by extending the existing route of the Philippine National Railways, boosting trade and tourism.

Only last July, Cortes, the late head of the Northrail Corp., briefed President Macapagal-Arroyo on plans to resume full blast the construction of an 80.2-kilometer railway between Manila and Bulacan in January 2008.

On Aug. 4, Cortes succumbed to a heart attack.

With a new head onboard, the DOTC said it would keep to its timetable, which means construction is still set from February 2007 to February 2010 for Section 1. Section 2 is scheduled for completion a year later.

The 80.2-kilometer railway line will extend from the old Tutuban Philippine National Railways (PNR) station in Manila to Malolos in Bulacan.

The $1.126-billion Northrail project’s first section spans Caloocan City, Valenzuela City and five towns of Bulacan, including Meycauayan, Marilao, Bocaue, Guiguinto and Malolos.

here's a map of all PNR routes

sources:some friends from the PNR..=)
http://file.uploadr.com/10948-embed

this is a map that shows the whole PNR main and branch lines and also the proposed lines. This is very interesting to study especially for PNR fans, and railway lovers, and historians and also for a student like me..

thanks to all PNR staffs ,station heads, ticket collectors and dispatchers,engineers,officials,security guards and rail police, they are very kind.

Keep up the good work! This is probably the most informative and most positive thread in these forums.

when are we going to see some layind down of tracks?

That's a Luzon rail map.

^^ kaelthas18 very nice find indeed ty for posting it

We can see how developed it was before, I look forward to the day when we have the PNR operates something like this again!

Nakakatuwa naman yung picture. Mas marami nga lang yung closed kesa sa existing at proposed. Dapat ang title niya eh: Existing, Proposed and Closed Lines of PNR.

musta naman pala ang papunta sa pampanga, start naba ang demolize nila!

musta naman pala ang papunta sa pampanga, start naba ang demolize nila!

sana nmn umpisahan na nla ung North rail na yan , kupad pagong eh..

here's a map of all PNR routes


this is a map that shows the whole PNR main and branch lines and also the proposed lines. This is very interesting to study especially for PNR fans, and railway lovers, and historians and also for a student like me..

thanks to all PNR staffs ,station heads, ticket collectors and dispatchers,engineers,officials,security guards and rail police, they are very kind.


Nathan,
Was there a date on the map saying when it was made?
Brad

Can anyone tell me what is at Daet to warrant a proposed line?
The map Nathan put up is interesting. It appears to be an old map that has been updated.
It is young enough to show the MLN as being all closed, but while it shows most long closed lines it dosen't show a number of them (inc the balance of the Antipolo extention).
Is the line to Daet actually a thought in their current planning, or was this a proposed line from earlier in the 1900s?
While the map appears to show closed lines and most of the plan rebuild ones, it must omit planned ones that were never built and have now been forgotten by those who aren't interested in rail history. This alone would suggest there is someting in this Daet line being mentioned.

Cheers
Brad
** Back after a few days of work and an extended party :)

PILIPINAS UMASENSO KA !
:dance:

By Roderick T. dela Cruz
Original report at The Manila Standard
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business4_sept20_2007

The Luzon Urban Beltway, one of the five super regions created by President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, has identified 20 more infrastructure projects that will be implemented in Luzon until 2010.

Edgardo Pamintuan, chairman of the Subic-Clark Alliance for Development Council and the Luzon Urban Beltway, said this brought to 44 the number of infrastructure projects that the LUB would implement in Central Luzon, Metro Manila, Calabarzon, and the provinces of Mindoro and Marinduque.

These projects were among those mentioned by President Arroyo in her State-of-the-Nation Address in July.

“All in all, there are 44 projects now under LUB. We have 14 roads and bridges, 8 railways, 5 seaports and RoRo [roll-on roll-off] ports, 4 power and electrification projects, 3 water projects, 2 airports, 2 hospitals, 1 irrigation project, 1 flood control project, and 1 housing project,” Pamintuan said.

He said they include six major road projects: Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2 (Bicutan-Alabang, Muntinlupa), North Luzon East Expressway (Bulacan, NCR and Nueva Ecija), North Luzon Expressway Phase 2 (C-5 to McArthur Highway), South Luzon Expressway Extension (Alabang-Calamba), Tarlac-La Union Toll Expressway Phase 1 (Tarlac-La Union), and Tarlac-Nueva Ecija-Aurora-Dingalan Road (Tarlac-Nueva Ecija-Aurora).

Four rail projects have also been identified, namely Light Rail Transit Line-1-Ninoy Aquino International Airport Connector (Baclaran LRT1-NAIA), LRT Line-2 Phase-2 (Santolan LRT-2-Masinag, Antipolo), Mainline South Railway Project Phase 1A (Laguna, Quezon), and Metro Rail Transit-3 capacity expansion (Edsa).

The additional projects also include two port projects—Batangas Port in Batangas and Port of Real in Quezon.

Several water, irrigation and energy projects will be implemented, including the Laiban Dam project in Rizal province, Barangay Electrification Program, National Electrification Administration Subsidy Program for electric cooperatives on rural electrification, Bataan liquefied natural gas terminal, Bataan-Manila pipeline project, Biñan-Sucat 239 KV Transmission Line Project, Small Irrigation Project, and Kamanava Flood Control Project (Kalookan-Malabon-Navotas-Valenzula).

Other projects were the Women’s Medical Center and upgrading of the National Kidney Transplant Institute and other government hospitals, and low-cost housing program for resettled families.

“The projects that are to be implemented or being implemented nationwide will be supervised by the LUB together with other super regions concerned that have territorial jurisdiction over them,” Pamintuan said.

“The LUB is tasked to orchestrate and fast-track the delivery of these projects at a very least cost to the government and in full transparency,” he said. “This means synergizing all the elements necessary and getting together all the players and stakeholders to be, if necessary, single-minded in the agreed overall goal of achieving more developments.”

PILIPINAS UMASENSO KA !
:dance:

Reminded me of the concert at Mall Of Asia.

^^ ^^ ^^ :banana: :banana: :banana: Hello Guys!!! GOOD MORNING!!!! arRGGG..:bash: . Im still having some problems with my internet shop but anyway, il be logging from time to time... hmmm... looks like we've had a great week ends... hmmmm nice news about the PNR maps.... :banana:

Can anyone tell me what is at Daet to warrant a proposed line?
The map Nathan put up is interesting. It appears to be an old map that has been updated.
It is young enough to show the MLN as being all closed, but while it shows most long closed lines it dosen't show a number of them (inc the balance of the Antipolo extention).
Is the line to Daet actually a thought in their current planning, or was this a proposed line from earlier in the 1900s?
While the map appears to show closed lines and most of the plan rebuild ones, it must omit planned ones that were never built and have now been forgotten by those who aren't interested in rail history. This alone would suggest there is someting in this Daet line being mentioned.

Cheers
Brad
** Back after a few days of work and an extended party :)

^^ ^^ I really don't much about the proposed DAET LINE. Maybe it was planned back in times during the construction of railways here in Sipocot. The sees that a line could probably be more viable if a spur line would be constructed to Daet. Il check it on the PNR to verify this... It really seems that constructions during that time are a lot more easier to implement.. :lol:

^^ ^^ ^^ :banana: :banana: :banana: Hello Guys!!! GOOD MORNING!!!! arRGGG..:bash: . Im still having some problems with my internet shop but anyway, il be logging from time to time... hmmm... looks like we've had a great week ends... hmmmm nice news about the PNR maps.... :banana:

Weare missing you here mate.

Brad

By Roderick T. dela Cruz
Original report at The Manila Standard
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business4_sept20_2007

The Luzon Urban Beltway, one of the five super regions created by President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, has identified 20 more infrastructure projects that will be implemented in Luzon until 2010.

Edgardo Pamintuan, chairman of the Subic-Clark Alliance for Development Council and the Luzon Urban Beltway, said this brought to 44 the number of infrastructure projects that the LUB would implement in Central Luzon, Metro Manila, Calabarzon, and the provinces of Mindoro and Marinduque.

These projects were among those mentioned by President Arroyo in her State-of-the-Nation Address in July.

“All in all, there are 44 projects now under LUB. We have 14 roads and bridges, 8 railways, 5 seaports and RoRo [roll-on roll-off] ports, 4 power and electrification projects, 3 water projects, 2 airports, 2 hospitals, 1 irrigation project, 1 flood control project, and 1 housing project,” Pamintuan said.

He said they include six major road projects: Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2 (Bicutan-Alabang, Muntinlupa), North Luzon East Expressway (Bulacan, NCR and Nueva Ecija), North Luzon Expressway Phase 2 (C-5 to McArthur Highway), South Luzon Expressway Extension (Alabang-Calamba), Tarlac-La Union Toll Expressway Phase 1 (Tarlac-La Union), and Tarlac-Nueva Ecija-Aurora-Dingalan Road (Tarlac-Nueva Ecija-Aurora).

Four rail projects have also been identified, namely Light Rail Transit Line-1-Ninoy Aquino International Airport Connector (Baclaran LRT1-NAIA), LRT Line-2 Phase-2 (Santolan LRT-2-Masinag, Antipolo), Mainline South Railway Project Phase 1A (Laguna, Quezon), and Metro Rail Transit-3 capacity expansion (Edsa).

The additional projects also include two port projects—Batangas Port in Batangas and Port of Real in Quezon.

Several water, irrigation and energy projects will be implemented, including the Laiban Dam project in Rizal province, Barangay Electrification Program, National Electrification Administration Subsidy Program for electric cooperatives on rural electrification, Bataan liquefied natural gas terminal, Bataan-Manila pipeline project, Biñan-Sucat 239 KV Transmission Line Project, Small Irrigation Project, and Kamanava Flood Control Project (Kalookan-Malabon-Navotas-Valenzula).

Other projects were the Women’s Medical Center and upgrading of the National Kidney Transplant Institute and other government hospitals, and low-cost housing program for resettled families.

“The projects that are to be implemented or being implemented nationwide will be supervised by the LUB together with other super regions concerned that have territorial jurisdiction over them,” Pamintuan said.

“The LUB is tasked to orchestrate and fast-track the delivery of these projects at a very least cost to the government and in full transparency,” he said. “This means synergizing all the elements necessary and getting together all the players and stakeholders to be, if necessary, single-minded in the agreed overall goal of achieving more developments.”

^^ Yup!!!Thats it... the lined up project of the Philippines... Im happy that they've included and really prioritized the Calamba to Lucena... Hopefully, passengers from Bicol can dropped at Lucena and take a train to access different locations in Manila..... while progress is currently undertaken at the Lucena to Naga to Legazpi and eventually to Matnog...:lol:

^^ If we can dig and dig further, we can end up a complete history of the once no. 1 transportation in our country...and of course with the initiation of ourr...... no other than Aussie Guy.. kuya Brad!!!! Hey I miss you too guys.... :lol: It's just that Im not really comfortable making replies in other shopss. he he he he he!!!! :lol:

Weare missing you here mate.

Brad

^^ Me too!!!! Sorry for not being here, it's just that I have currently have a busy time together with my brother who recently opened a small karenderia...ha ha ha!!! And a small stuff that currently bugs my internet connection...:lol: :lol: :lol: When you get here, youre welcome all.!!!:nuts:

^^ If we can dig and dig further, we can end up a complete history of the once no. 1 transportation in our country...and of course with the initiation of ourr...... no other than Aussie Guy.. kuya Brad!!!! Hey I miss you too guys.... :lol: It's just that Im not really comfortable making replies in other shopss. he he he he he!!!! :lol:

I would love to compile a huge listing of dates (in order) and what thing in Philippine railway history happened on each of these dates. It would certainly be of great use in any museum we are able to get started.

In regards to replying in shops.

I found people loved to watch me when I was replying to emails.
In Roxas City this young guy kept sitting next to me reading my email. I asked him to go away and he just kept laughing (he likely didn't understand). I left and went to another place when the owner wouldn't do anything.

Another time I was at Evers Commonwealth in QC and doing my email at the front of a shop. Two girls came up to the window and was trying to read my email. I looked at them and started making kissing faces to them through window. They got embarrased and ran away :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Prhaps I should have done that to the guy in Roxas City :lol:

Brad

here's a map of all PNR routes

this is a map that shows the whole PNR main and branch lines and also the proposed lines. This is very interesting to study especially for PNR fans, and railway lovers, and historians and also for a student like me..

thanks to all PNR staffs ,station heads, ticket collectors and dispatchers,engineers,officials,security guards and rail police, they are very kind.

^^ Thanks Nathan for this wonderful stuff.... I think PNR redrawn this very recently for those who want's to know more about PNR... Guys, this is so important that we used this plan to analyze what exactly made Northrail 1 more expensive.. Atually Northrail Line would have to be designed together with the proposed Cagayan Valley Railways.. Both the two will use the line fro m Tutuban to Balagtas I guess.. they splits into two... Of course Northrail1 will assume of all railway developments and clearing operation costs, (since they are the first) and they will surely be much vigilant that squatter will no longer get back... Very recently they decided to widen the tracks up to Malolos.. I guess they are anticipating already future expansion....

^^ Me too!!!! Sorry for not being here, it's just that I have currently have a busy time together with my brother who recently opened a small karenderia...ha ha ha!!! And a small stuff that currently bugs my internet connection...:lol: :lol: :lol: When you get here, youre welcome all.!!!:nuts:

OK I am going to show my ignorance here :lol: but what is a karenderia?
Hope you sort out the internet connection bug. Computers are so frustrating sometimes.
We are still aiming to be there in 2009.
My friend from here will be in Manila again next month the lucky buggar. He will be attending to more railway stuff while there.

Brad

I would love to compile a huge listing of dates (in order) and what thing in Philippine railway history happened on each of these dates. It would certainly be of great use in any museum we are able to get started.

In regards to replying in shops.

I found people loved to watch me when I was replying to emails.
In Roxas City this young guy kept sitting next to me reading my email. I asked him to go away and he just kept laughing (he likely didn't understand). I left and went to another place when the owner wouldn't do anything.

Another time I was at Evers Commonwealth in QC and doing my email at the front of a shop. Two girls came up to the window and was trying to read my email. I looked at them and started making kissing faces to them through window. They got embarrased and ran away :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Prhaps I should have done that to the guy in Roxas City :lol:

Brad

^^ Really!!!! Just like me...more and more babes are watching :) :) :) Im proud to say that youre' not alone!!!! ha ha ha!!! It's very noisy here right now cause these internet where I am in right now has games services, theres a lot of children here..while mine is o nly internet so I would expected that not much noise generated...:bash: :bash: :bash:

OK I am going to show my ignorance here :lol: but what is a karenderia?
Hope you sort out the internet connection bug. Computers are so frustrating sometimes.
We are still aiming to be there in 2009.
My friend from here will be in Manila again next month the lucky buggar. He will be attending to more railway stuff while there.

Brad

:banana: Youre very welcome here Brad, Nathan, Bustero, kalbong dad, and every one who made this forum wonderful... hmmm... Actually a karenderia is a smalll food houze.. My brother once work abroad and finaly goes home and set up this small investment here....

My town is very near to Pioduran.. The coastal town of albay, and from there, there is a small boat for hire going to Masbate.. :banana:

I would love to compile a huge listing of dates (in order) and what thing in Philippine railway history happened on each of these dates. It would certainly be of great use in any museum we are able to get started.

In regards to replying in shops.

I found people loved to watch me when I was replying to emails.
In Roxas City this young guy kept sitting next to me reading my email. I asked him to go away and he just kept laughing (he likely didn't understand). I left and went to another place when the owner wouldn't do anything.

Another time I was at Evers Commonwealth in QC and doing my email at the front of a shop. Two girls came up to the window and was trying to read my email. I looked at them and started making kissing faces to them through window. They got embarrased and ran away :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Prhaps I should have done that to the guy in Roxas City :lol:

Brad


^^ Ahhh!!! Guys if you have curren news about this thread, you can also put it in the railway page of this website together with other railway projects in the world...

We will show to them that Philippines is a nice place to invest nos and is catching and not behind from other countries...:banana:

OK I am going to show my ignorance here :lol: but what is a karenderia?
Hope you sort out the internet connection bug. Computers are so frustrating sometimes.
We are still aiming to be there in 2009.
My friend from here will be in Manila again next month the lucky buggar. He will be attending to more railway stuff while there.

Brad

^^ I hope we could met your friend together with Nathan and other friends here... Maybe we can have faster and reliable information if we will work as one....

musta naman pala ang papunta sa pampanga, start naba ang demolize nila!

^^ Ongoing is the demolition activities... Please don't believe in news that Northrail was stoppedd.. Northrail Project continously making developments... Sooner I will post here latest development to Northrail1 and demolition and clearing activities for Northrail2...:banana:

PILIPINAS UMASENSO KA !
:dance:

^^ hnnn....!!!! Here I am... rock you like a hurricane.....

Highway way to helll..... ahhhhhhh!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Rocks!!!! Rock!!!!

ha ha ha!!! Reminds me The Scorpions and ACDC concerts!!!! :lol:

^^ Thanks Sir/Mam Sinjin for great infos from other threads... hopefully you can also posts infos related to railway projects....Thanks a lot!!!!^^

:banana: Youre very welcome here Brad, Nathan, Bustero, kalbong dad, and every one who made this forum wonderful... hmmm... Actually a karenderia is a smalll food houze.. My brother once work abroad and finaly goes home and set up this small investment here....

My town is very near to Pioduran.. The coastal town of albay, and from there, there is a small boat for hire going to Masbate.. :banana:

Will have to look Pioduran up on a map. The boat we got across last time arrived at Pilar.
Will love to come to your food house. My wife says that Bicol is famous as the best cooking in the Philippines. I would have to agree after trying the best adobo I have ever tasted while waiting to catch the Manila bus out of Legazpi. I don't know how they made it, but it had black beans in it and was the most awesome of all the adobos I have tried.
Would love that recipe.

Brad

the video was comparable to the PNR.. but i think theirs is worse dont you?:lol: do we have flea/food markets on the track itself? i hope not.. i've never seen pulling out your products and awnings to give way to the train..:lol:

i like their train though.. looks a lot like LRT..

^^ ^^ ^^ This is how the Philippines will be different from them, because we are now removing squatters in the likelihood of Malaysia KTM, where a railways is only a place for trains....not for every one else!!!! :banana:

^^ These countries will also find it hard to removed slums in their railroads ROW .. I'll bet you...This is why m already proud of the success of relocation activities here in our country!!!! :banana:

^^ ^^ ^^ This is how the Philippines will be different from them, because we are now removing squatters in the likelihood of Malaysia KTM, where a railways is only a place for trains....not for every one else!!!! :banana:

^^ These countries will also find it hard to removed slums in their railroads ROW .. I'll bet you...This is why m already proud of the success of relocation activities here in our country!!!! :banana:

yeah/... even though some squatters think they own the land, they still remained obedient..:lol: at least PGMA is doing her best.. it's like Marcos where no one can "touch" HIM..:lol: i want them to change their loco's though.. it's like a leprosy hit the trains with all those rust..:lol:

Will have to look Pioduran up on a map. The boat we got across last time arrived at Pilar.
Will love to come to your food house. My wife says that Bicol is famous as the best cooking in the Philippines. I would have to agree after trying the best adobo I have ever tasted while waiting to catch the Manila bus out of Legazpi. I don't know how they made it, but it had black beans in it and was the most awesome of all the adobos I have tried.
Would love that recipe.

Brad

^^ Yup, Pio Duran is the coastal town of Albay, and next to that is Donsol already but in Sorsogon Province, Pilar is also next... In Pioduran there is no regular boat going there but in Pilar, there is.. Donsol, betterly known as the whale shark capital of the world!!!! :)

By Bus from Manila, you can dropped at Ligao City and take a 1hour jeepney ride to Pioduran and from Pioduran, you can hire a small boat... But I really recommend the one in Pilar...

ha ha ha!!! We have mastery in Bicol Express, chopped pork sauted in a very spicy recipes!!!! ha ha ha!!! Delicious... Bicol Express too,reminds me of a great long distance train.... :banana:

yeah/... even though some squatters think they own the land, they still remained obedient..:lol: at least PGMA is doing her best.. it's like Marcos where no one can "touch" HIM..:lol: i want them to change their loco's though.. it's like a leprosy hit the trains with all those rust..:lol:

^^ Yup!!! youre right!!! PGMA is not only doing her best but she really dead serious about reuniting every Filipinos.. and it already pays the prize..:) :) :) An improving economy and regained foreign confidence in our country!!! Thanks to the Lord, hes bring a new life again to us...

i want them to change their loco's though.. it's like a leprosy hit the trains with all those rust..:lol:

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: They will definitely change every moving thing here in Northrail and Southrail project!!!! For as long as our old locos are still viable, it can still be repaired and operated for s short runs of freight service.....

^^ Got to go now for a while guys!!! See you!!! :banana:

^^ Ahhh!!! Guys if you have curren news about this thread, you can also put it in the railway page of this website together with other railway projects in the world...

We will show to them that Philippines is a nice place to invest nos and is catching and not behind from other countries...:banana:

WoS,
Where is the railways part of the website?

Brad

i want them to change their loco's though.. it's like a leprosy hit the trains with all those rust..:lol:

It would be far more economical to just do some rust work.
Some of those locos are as yound as 1992 and the remaining fleet is much younger than many things we use here in daily service. Considering also that the short distance they run compared to here, scrapping them would be a horrendous waste of funds. Even a major rebuild would be more viable.

Brad

^^ Got to go now for a while guys!!! See you!!! :banana:

Come back soon mate :)


^^ ha ha ha!!! We have mastery in Bicol Express, chopped pork sauted in a very spicy recipes!!!! ha ha ha!!! Delicious... Bicol Express too,reminds me of a great long distance train....

One of my Pinay friends out here once told me it was called 'Bicol Express' because for me it will be express between when I eat and when my Aussie tummy will be putting it out again :lol:
I said the Manila water alone does that to me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brad

this are pics and vids of the rail tracks from Muntinlupa Station going north bound to Alabang Station
Photos of my classmate: Jeremy Balagat who is doing also a project on his thesis about housing.
:) :)

^^ ^^
http://file.uploadr.com/109cf-embed
ooohhhlalala..girl in the rails..hehehe

http://file.uploadr.com/109d0-embed
What the heck!, where's the track? oww, its under the sea...hahaha

http://file.uploadr.com/109d1-embed
Canal or Lake??

http://file.uploadr.com/109d2-embed
Lake Alabang

http://file.uploadr.com/109d3-embed
manong "sled driver"
or a gondola driver.hahaha. like the one in venice

here is the video..some parts are flooded
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Also for those pips who look for updates
check out my video updates of last august and september of PNR
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Philippine+National+Railways&search=Search

http://file.uploadr.com/109d3-embed
manong "sled driver"



Should that not be 'Manong Canoe' operator?

:lol:

Brad

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^^ ^^
http://file.uploadr.com/109cf-embed
ooohhhlalala..girl in the rails..hehehe

Ahhhh maganda.
Nice to see so many beautiful pinays featuring in railway shots here lately :)
It makes railway photos so much better.

Brad

[QUOTE=kaelthas18;15529410]this are pics and vids of the rail tracks from Muntinlupa Station going north bound to Alabang Station
Photos of my classmate: Jeremy Balagat who is doing also a project on his thesis about housing.
:) :)

^^ ^^

^^ Wow!!! ha ha ha!!! Ang tindi ng riles.. I like the Muntinlupa section, despite all of the facts the railway remains intact... I expect that crossties that will be installed would be more sturdy than this.. I guess, with the replacement of the rails from 32kg/m to 50kg/m, that would totally void the use of current one....

^^ It seems that we could have no problem relocating these people into the relocation site since most of their houses are only made by woods.. Concrete are a lot of difficult to be demolished...But anyway, I heard the news that the government is planning to construct relocation site inside the triangular shape crossing near Tayuman.. I suspect that this site was intended for those squatters near to it in the vicinity of Tayuman, Blumentrit and portions of Caloocan.

It would be far more economical to just do some rust work.
Some of those locos are as yound as 1992 and the remaining fleet is much younger than many things we use here in daily service. Considering also that the short distance they run compared to here, scrapping them would be a horrendous waste of funds. Even a major rebuild would be more viable.

Brad

^^ definitely, we can see viability in just repairing and improving our current rollings stocks plus additional brand new trains for commuter and express train service...:banana:

^^ @ Nathan, remember your video postage near PUP... What are those backhoes and payloader doing there.. Are they starting already the Southrail Construction at Sta. Mesa... Nice!!! if they do so... :banana:

Check out this video again guys.. It seems that all of the steel bars are being unloaded from the trucks. Maybe on the beggining portion of the video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKf1HHQRxhs


Compare the video uploaded by this channel. They said that all the steel bars have been there for 3years and some of them are rusting... Wrong journalism again guys... They are destroying the projects really intended to help the massess.... tssk!!! tsskk!!!! I believe people understands what is good for us....

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/11853/Reporter's-Notebook-Northrail

^^ @ Nathan, remember your video postage near PUP... What are those backhoes and payloader doing there.. Are they starting already the Southrail Construction at Sta. Mesa... Nice!!! if they do so... :banana:



^^ they're digging for water pipes., maynilad. :)

^^ From what I know, those fences in the Malolos and some part of the Northrail Phase 1 have been erected since Feb. 2007. To be exact, this was the date the gov't gave a go signal to start the project... In fairness, Northrail and Southrail is really the showcase of the Filipino railways... Its is very much different to the linkage project in which only the regrade and repair of railways and railways structures including stations.... Northrail is completely brand new envisioned to cater not only the current loads but for the future, their infrastructure preparation was large enough to handle future extensions and expansion....

^^ they're digging for water pipes., maynilad. :)

^^ Ok! Thanks Richard, this was already mentioned during my research why the construction of Southrail was temporarily delayed... They want the Maynilad to come first since all of their mainline pipes as big as 1m in diameter will cut accross the PNR ROW... I guess, very nice agreement. Anyway it will not take any longer and while waiting for other relocates to transfer.. 4 more months of waiting is really nothing for as long as they could already start by Jan. 2008 together with Northrail and Southrail1a. I think the gov. is really doing well not make more traffic in this area....

My friend in NHA gave me details where the Southrail begins, he said upon completion of Maynilad works, definitely they will start in Sta. Mesa up to FTI in Alabang for starters...

^^ they're digging for water pipes., maynilad. :)

^^ Im still very much intrigue with the vacant lot beside your school... I am not sure where the PNR Park and Ride Building will be built but it is only around that Sta. Mesa Area...

^^ something is being built there as of the moment.,

http://i20.tinypic.com/kbf5f8.jpg

most probably not part of PNR.

^^ ^^

^^ Wow!!! ha ha ha!!! Ang tindi ng riles.. I like the Muntinlupa section, despite all of the facts the railway remains intact... I expect that crossties that will be installed would be more sturdy than this.. I guess, with the replacement of the rails from 32kg/m to 50kg/m, that would totally void the use of current one....

I think these are actually concrete ties (I think ties are what we call sleepers) and they dont come much more sturdy than that nowdays.

Other types would be the age old timber sleepers and the far more rare, but still often seen, metal ones.
They just need to buried in a good pile of ballast :)

Brad

^^ It seems that we could have no problem relocating these people into the relocation site since most of their houses are only made by woods.. Concrete are a lot of difficult to be demolished...But anyway, I heard the news that the government is planning to construct relocation site inside the triangular shape crossing near Tayuman.. I suspect that this site was intended for those squatters near to it in the vicinity of Tayuman, Blumentrit and portions of Caloocan.

This is an interesting idea.
As it is already heavily built across I wonder if they will demolish it all and build some multi story apartments there. Imagine multi story apartments, small store, with nearby station serving south and north, fully landscaped with even a kids playground.
This triangle could become an oasis for residents if done properly and look really nice to.

Brad

have u seen all these videos???
and also read the other interesting threads with pics on the right portion of it
http://lagunarailways.blogspot.com/2007/09/northrail-gma-tv-news.html

have u seen all these videos???
and also read the other interesting threads with pics on the right portion of it
http://lagunarailways.blogspot.com/2007/09/northrail-gma-tv-news.html

This is a great website this Laguna Railways one.
The owner is a major part of the PRHS as well.

Brad

[FONT="Century Gothic"][SIZE="5"]have u seen all these videos???


The amount of clearance shown in the third video is awesome.
One section, wich appears to be as you come off the Pandacan bridge, is massive. The illegal places have just been decimated. Hard to believe this is the same place I was earlier in the year.

Brad

^^ something is being built there as of the moment.,

http://i20.tinypic.com/kbf5f8.jpg

most probably not part of PNR.

^^ Ahhh!!! I guess you're standing right exactly from your school campus.. Nice development.... Well hopefully, it is related to PNR preparation activities.... Actually they will use some space for their construction of mudular reinforced slabs and the bridge foundation... If there were no construction signboards in that vacant lot, probably related also to the MWSS pipe rechanneling....

I think these are actually concrete ties (I think ties are what we call sleepers) and they dont come much more sturdy than that nowdays.

Other types would be the age old timber sleepers and the far more rare, but still often seen, metal ones.
They just need to buried in a good pile of ballast :)

Brad


^^ Actually Ive seen many wooden sleeper being used by JR in some lines... I guess wooden ties is not much noisier than concrete one...

This is an interesting idea.
As it is already heavily built across I wonder if they will demolish it all and build some multi story apartments there. Imagine multi story apartments, small store, with nearby station serving south and north, fully landscaped with even a kids playground.
This triangle could become an oasis for residents if done properly and look really nice to.

Brad

^^ Its kind of really interesting because as of this moment very little developments are happening in the slums near triangular shape... In the google earth, we can clearly see that there is a well defined vacant lot inside the trianglular shaped lot..Probably this is what they call as the NHA relocation site.. But this was taken last 2006. I suspect that this is it, the relocation site for those houses near the triagulo....

Wow!!! This is really a true in-city resellement, but this time it is more decent...:banana: :banana:

ive seen some pictures of kuala lumpur rails and metros ,very nice, i envy them, i wish we have also like that in the philiippines, good facilities and good connecting stations with other lines, unlike here..

here's a pic from wikipedia, hehe vietnam railways in Hanoi, narrow gauge, look at the easement.. i think its only 4 meters or 3 meters...haha..but what difference them with ours is they dont have canals..haha
http://file.uploadr.com/10a5f-embed

ive seen some pictures of kuala lumpur rails and metros ,very nice, i envy them, i wish we have also like that in the philiippines, good facilities and good connecting stations with other lines, unlike here..

here's a pic from wikipedia, hehe vietnam railways in Hanoi, narrow gauge, look at the easement.. i think its only 4 meters or 3 meters...haha..but what difference them with ours is they dont have canals..haha
http://file.uploadr.com/10a5f-embed


^^ Oo nga noh!!! Theirs is 1 meter gauge while ours is 1.067 meter gauge... But atually trains in Vietnam normally runs at 80-100 kph...

^^ Nathan, do you have latest developments out there... from Laong Laan to Espanya... Did they completely setback 5meters... If they do so..., ok na rin.... As long as the railroad is cleared alreay.. How about from Espanya to Sta. Mesa... How many meters did they offset.. I hope what happened in Sta. Mesa will also follows on this section....

^^ to Nathan, ung clearing procedure ba sa Laong Laan to Espanya ay ganun rin sa Espanya to Sta. Mesa?

^^ Oo nga noh!!! Theirs is 1 meter gauge while ours is 1.067 meter gauge... But atually trains in Vietnam normally runs at 80-100 kph...

^^ I can't accept to see our railroad still be like this... Squatter are long known to be mud...no dicipline... useless and dirty.... Tha'ts why 15m ROW is not enough because the slums will throw dirts on the railroad even if you put a concrete fence.... tssskkkk tssskkkkk!!!

^^ Nathan, do you have latest developments out there... from Laong Laan to Espanya... Did they completely setback 5meters... If they do so..., ok na rin.... As long as the railroad is cleared alreay.. How about from Espanya to Sta. Mesa... How many meters did they offset.. I hope what happened in Sta. Mesa will also follows on this section....

yup, actually tpos na demolition, wla na mga ngddemolished e

^^ Nathan, do you have latest developments out there... from Laong Laan to Espanya... Did they completely setback 5meters... If they do so..., ok na rin.... As long as the railroad is cleared alreay.. How about from Espanya to Sta. Mesa... How many meters did they offset.. I hope what happened in Sta. Mesa will also follows on this section....

barbaara kc p demolished nila e, tpos bungi bungi pa..

^^ I can't accept to see our railroad still be like this... Squatter are long known to be mud...no dicipline... useless and dirty.... Tha'ts why 15m ROW is not enough because the slums will throw dirts on the railroad even if you put a concrete fence.... tssskkkk tssskkkkk!!!

if u pass by after bicutan station going to alabang , the whole stretch of the ROW precast fence most of them are destroyed. those squatters out there , they destroy that to serve as their entry to their houses at the back, which means the rails are their roads..

anyway , have u seen the videos of GMAtv "the number 1 very intrigue and awful station in the Philippines"...in the argument of Noli boy and the squatters at sta mesa..haha.. Squatters always reason out that they are POOR... I always pass by along the overpasses of España and the sidewalks, there are lot of beggars, they are fit and healthy, but they don't like to work, they want alms...they are lazy, and pabigat sa lipunan.. THe government should change the attitude of the poor, if only the government doesnt steal money

In manila everywhere u can seee sqquatter people, most of them are Voters of Disgusting politicians!!

barbaara kc p demolished nila e, tpos bungi bungi pa..

^^ Pero the section of Laong laan are finaly ok. the section of Espanya to Sta. Mesa, ok na rin ba?

if u pass by after bicutan station going to alabang , the whole stretch of the ROW precast fence most of them are destroyed. those squatters out there , they destroy that to serve as their entry to their houses at the back, which means the rails are their roads..

anyway , have u seen the videos of GMAtv "the number 1 very intrigue and awful station in the Philippines"...in the argument of Noli boy and the squatters at sta mesa..haha.. Squatters always reason out that they are POOR... I always pass by along the overpasses of España and the sidewalks, there are lot of beggars, they are fit and healthy, but they don't like to work, they want alms...they are lazy, and pabigat sa lipunan.. THe government should change the attitude of the poor, if only the government doesnt steal money

In manila everywhere u can seee sqquatter people, most of them are Voters of Disgusting politicians!!

^^ Yup, very disgusting,,, tao kasi mismo gumagawa ng kalokohan, pag tinuwid mo sila, ikaw pa ang mali... :lol: :lol: :lol: Ay pordios por santo,!!!! Nakisawsaw pa ang media at simbahan.... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

if u pass by after bicutan station going to alabang , the whole stretch of the ROW precast fence most of them are destroyed. those squatters out there , they destroy that to serve as their entry to their houses at the back, which means the rails are their roads..

anyway , have u seen the videos of GMAtv "the number 1 very intrigue and awful station in the Philippines"...in the argument of Noli boy and the squatters at sta mesa..haha.. Squatters always reason out that they are POOR... I always pass by along the overpasses of España and the sidewalks, there are lot of beggars, they are fit and healthy, but they don't like to work, they want alms...they are lazy, and pabigat sa lipunan.. THe government should change the attitude of the poor, if only the government doesnt steal money

In manila everywhere u can seee sqquatter people, most of them are Voters of Disgusting politicians!!

^^ Lahat ng media natin Nathan, except of course NBN and other gov't medias... The have no concern!!! to the welfare of everyone......

^^ Actually Ive seen many wooden sleeper being used by JR in some lines... I guess wooden ties is not much noisier than concrete one...

The benefit of concrete ties is usually said to be longetivity of life and more environmentaly friendly.
For both reasons I suspect they will be all thats used.

Brad

here's a pic from wikipedia, hehe vietnam railways in Hanoi, narrow gauge, look at the easement.. i think its only 4 meters or 3 meters...haha..but what difference them with ours is they dont have canals..haha
http://file.uploadr.com/10a5f-embed

That red board must be awfully close to being foul of gauge :)

The track is certainly in gread condition. I wonder how quick and how often the trains pass through here. Well maintained despite the very little room either side.

Brad

^^ I can't accept to see our railroad still be like this... Squatter are long known to be mud...no dicipline... useless and dirty.... !!!

hehehehehe
Hope Noli didn't use this discription while he was visiting them :lol:

Brad

Howdee,
As a few of you know we have 'The Filipino Channel' on TV here in Sydney. Every day I watch your 'Mornings @ ANC' news program.
There is rarely any mention of the railway developments there, despite the importance of all the various projects.
So imagine my surprise when that maganda Gretchan (spell?) mentions that after the break they will show a piece about the extremes gone to to move some railway history.
I wait for the next ten minutes to see that it is about the moving of the signalbox 'here in SYDNEY'.
I was first surprised the this bit of railway info from Sydney made the news there, but then a little bit disappointed that they had gone to such effort here while Philippine rail history is undergoing the biggest changes since it was built and while its history is being raped and pillaged.

If anyone wants to take the time and join me in emails about the lack of concern please send emails to:

mornings@abs-cbn.com

Cheers
Brad

^^ wow!!! the demolished areas look like Ground Zero! Kudos to VP Noli!!! for his strong Political Will!!!Idol!!! :banana:

yup that is the kind of media that we have here.....they cater more to the gossipy...kind...of news.....

Some of China's comments sound more like threats, especially the bit about Filipinos in China!
Just watched that senator (?) woman there in the Phils accusing the Chinese of being 'the inventors of corruption'. That was never going to be a popular comment.

Brad

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Scandals straining RP-China relations

By Francis Earl A. Cueto, Angelo S. Samonte And Darwin G.Amojelar Reporters

THE Chinese government is “unhappy” with the string of agreement suspensions by President Gloria Arroyo’s administration, warning that future loans for the Philippines from Beijing could be adversely affected.

On Saturday the government suspended the Cyber-Education Project and the national broadband deal, which was earlier halted by a restraining order by the Supreme Court. Then on Monday, the Department of Agriculture announced the suspension of two agreements with China for the lease of 1.4 million hectares of land in the Philippines.

As this developed, two of the country’s largest telecom companies said they are interested in taking over the broadband project, a deal worth $330 million given to the Chinese firm ZTE Corp.

An official from the Department of Foreign Affairs told The Manila Times that a Chinese diplomat told him relations between China and the Philippines are strained because of recent developments. The DFA official asked not to be named and declined to name his Chinese source.

“These series of problems that the Chinese government is having—from the product recall, to the ZTE and even those back with the railways project, and now this—is just too much for the Chinese government,” the Chinese diplomat told the DFA official.

“We are quite unhappy with these developments as our intentions of helping are noble [and] this is what we get in return,” the Chinese official said.

The Chinese official also hinted that Filipinos working in China may be affected. “You have quite a number of Filipinos in China. I hope these problems be resolved soon, otherwise [the] situations affect everything,” he told the DFA official.

Meanwhile, Malacañang is trying to salvage relations with China.

The Palace conducted internal investigations but were unable to affirm reports of any anomaly in the broadband and cyber-education projects, President Arroyo said in a statement Tuesday.

Despite the suspension, Mrs. Arroyo said her administration proceeded with the preliminary process regarding the project, “because we need to keep our good relations with China, even as we consulted with their highest authorities about a possible deferment.”

“We announced the deferment as soon as they indicated that they will try to understand our predicament,” she added.

Palace officials said that although the internal inquiry found no evidence of corruption, Malacañang’s position is to wait for the Supreme Court decision before moving ahead.

Cabinet Secretary Ricardo Saludo said, “We want to let the Court decide to thresh out legal issues. Despite the findings, we also want to give Congress an opportunity to do their own investigation.”

The President also announced Tuesday that she created a special panel that will oversee projects under China’s official development assistance.

The China Projects Oversight Panel will be headed by Trade Secretary Peter Favila as the overall coordinator of the Philippine-China framework agreement. Budget Secretary Rolando Andaya will be the chairman of the government procurement policy board.

Presidential Management Staff chief Cerge Remonde, on the other hand, will chair the pro-performance group. The government will invite a Church leader and a representative of the union of local authorities as members.

Remonde said the panel will review all China funded projects in the Philippines to ensure openness in the bidding and procurement process. “We have learned a lot from this controversy. The idea is to avoid another ZTE scandal.” But he clarified that other unaffected Chinese projects will push ahead.

However, the President admitted that the government suffered a setback with the suspension because it created a gap in the aspects of her administration’s 10-point economic development agenda.

The statement said that because of the scandal, the government might not realize its anticipated savings of P3 billion annually. That will put pressure on social services funding and will limit government communications between poor municipalities and public schools.

For this reason, the President said she has instructed Transportation and Communication Secretary Leandro Mendoza to talk to local private telecom companies so that the government could still save money despite the suspensions.

In a related development, two of the country’s largest telecom companies expressed capability and interest in taking over the broadband project.

Jones Campos, spokesman for Globe Telecoms, said his company may take a look at the broadband project. “Definitely, we are interested in the project. We are looking into that infrastructure business,” he added.

Globe has at least 6,000 cell sites across the country. Currently, the company plans to spend about $190 million for its broadband project expansion nationwide.

Likewise, Ramon Isberto, spokesman for Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co., said his company will first look at the requirements of the project to meet its capabilities. “We may have a meeting [with government officials] to see how to address the requirements,” he said.

PLDT earlier said it will be spending about $62 million to finance the construction of a cable landing station and submarine cable network in La Union in Northern Luzon, aimed at serving the rising demand for broadband bandwidth.

This project is expected to meet the forecasted explosive growth in the bandwidth requirements of the country for new and revolutionary broad*band applications, Isberto said.

No sooner do I post about the lack of rail stuff, a little appears.

A question has been raised (The Senate NBN Deal Probe) as to why they accept the Northrail deal before even evaluating it.
I think the guy asking was the same one whinging on about it in one of the videos shown in this thread.

Was all very brief :(

Brad

^^ HELLO!!! Guys everybody, good morning!!!! hmm... kind of a good dvelopments up there at ground zero!!! Hope we could have a latest pictures of the ROW there... and also if someone wants to take a photo of Malolos Developments....:banana: :banana:

That red board must be awfully close to being foul of gauge :)

The track is certainly in gread condition. I wonder how quick and how often the trains pass through here. Well maintained despite the very little room either side.

Brad


^^ Even if the rail was so closed, people along the railroad are still very much disciplined ... Look at the sides, very neat and clean... In the Philippines, it can never work like this, people are so democratic... The very much influence of the big one... Probably the main cause of this China Projects investigation.... tssk!!!! tssskkkk!!! This big one is making a little war so that they can sell their weapons because this is the only way to sustain their economy... bad.. really realy bad....

^^ Even if the rail was so closed, people along the railroad are still very much disciplined ... Look at the sides, very neat and clean... In the Philippines, it can never work like this, people are so democratic... The very much influence of the big one... Probably the main cause of this China Projects investigation.... tssk!!!! tssskkkk!!! This big one is making a little war so that they can sell their weapons because this is the only way to sustain their economy... bad.. really realy bad....


I can't imagine what would need to be done to change things and make people a little bit more diciplined.
There was a bit about Singapore and how they changed things around and turned it into one of the most cleanest and liveable cities in the world. Strict rules with VERY harsh penalities seemed to be their answer.
Here in Australia we could also learn by the Singapore model. Cleaniness and a lot less crime (or so I am told) are both something that need to be achieved here as well.
It would certainly take a brave president there to make the huge decisions required to bring change there. :(

Brad

I can't imagine what would need to be done to change things and make people a little bit more diciplined.
There was a bit about Singapore and how they changed things around and turned it into one of the most cleanest and liveable cities in the world. Strict rules with VERY harsh penalities seemed to be their answer.
Here in Australia we could also learn by the Singapore model. Cleaniness and a lot less crime (or so I am told) are both something that need to be achieved here as well.
It would certainly take a brave president there to make the huge decisions required to bring change there. :(

Brad

^^ In a religious country like ous, nobody would ever believe the Filipinos rights now despite of being hospible... I think government is doing already their best to unite us. But others takes advantage. Since Filipinos are very much like to watch TV, the media takes advantage of this by making them more vigilant to whatever they report and sure they can get a lot of symphathy from the viewers. This is exactly what is happening now, they are destroying the image of the government to make a bunch of reports for sale... Interviewing only one high ranking opposition in just a couple of minutes would cost a lot.. tssskkkk!!!! tsssskkkkk!!!! How do we call it again, Brad.... this _______________ journalism!!!! I certainly agree with you....

Here I am again!!! live na live!!!1^^ ^^ ^^

^^ Guys, good journalism is already here in SSC... Although some of the reports here comes from media, at least we thank them very much.... But some are very negative... Being negative in all aspects doesn't help us a lot.... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

^^ with the developments going on now, the latest line that has been cleared of shanties are from Laong Laan to Espanya to Sta. Mesa Bridge (preliminary clearing of only 7.5m or 5m from each outer rail). From Sta. Mesa Bridge to FTI Taguig... (varies from 25m to 35m ROW)

The NHA said this late September, they are already finishing the relocation site and they expect massive relocation from the areas of Taguig to Alabang Muntinlupa...:

^^ In a religious country like ous, nobody would ever believe the Filipinos rights now despite of being hospible... I think government is doing already their best to unite us. But others takes advantage. Since Filipinos are very much like to watch TV,

hehehheheehe my asawa leads the TV charge.
She refuses to talk to anyone between 18.00 and 20.30 while her Philo shows are on TFC :-)
She even ignores me when I talk to her. She will sort of answer on the commercials, but usually not much more than to tll me to wait until 20.30 :lol:

So yes, I could see where they would believe much that is said on TV. Thankfully for me the asawa dosen't like the news channel, she absolutely hates it. All the Pinays rely on me for the latest news from there :lol:

Brad

hello to all, does anyone here know if the new train stations have complete designs already , they were interested in having companies make them in exchange for some space, I wonder how doable this is!

hehehheheehe my asawa leads the TV charge.
She refuses to talk to anyone between 18.00 and 20.30 while her Philo shows are on TFC :-)
She even ignores me when I talk to her. She will sort of answer on the commercials, but usually not much more than to tll me to wait until 20.30 :lol:

So yes, I could see where they would believe much that is said on TV. Thankfully for me the asawa dosen't like the news channel, she absolutely hates it. All the Pinays rely on me for the latest news from there :lol:

Brad

^^ GOOD MOVE, the asawa favors us!!!! ha ha ha....:) we'll anyway Im glad that were all not affected by any wrong accusations in the TV's and other ignorance journalism.... :cheers:

hello to all, does anyone here know if the new train stations have complete designs already , they were interested in having companies make them in exchange for some space, I wonder how doable this is!

^^ Me too, im having a super excitement when it comes to stations.... Only we have a clear and basic understanding about the Northrail's Malolos Elevated Station... Regarding the stations of Southrail...none so far.... :banana:

hello to all, does anyone here know if the new train stations have complete designs already , they were interested in having companies make them in exchange for some space, I wonder how doable this is!

^^ Im sure that SM group are eying the LRT I Extensions Stations... I guess this could be a very big boost to the ridership since potential passengers can be found usually in malls... The same thing they will be doing in this project....Nice!!!

^^ In the case of Southrail Projects, the stations are expected to be simple in design since budget is too contrained and limited.. The bottom line is that the tracks and bed are new and there is a good signal and communication infrastructure, with as well as massive crossing booms...:lol: :lol: :lol: for undisciplined pedestrians.... he he he....

^^ GOOD MOVE, the asawa favors us!!!! ha ha ha....:) we'll anyway Im glad that were all not affected by any wrong accusations in the TV's and other ignorance journalism.... :cheers:

Yep, at least we all see it for what it is.
Always pays to look further into a journalists claims.

Cheers
Brad
** I will be off the computer for three days :( At least I will be at the Philippine Fiesta on Sunday to make up for it.

^^ GOOD DAY GUYS!!! Any new update at the PNR Taguig to Alabang Section... I heard from the news that they are currently undertaking now the massive relocation there... Any news from our friends???? :bow:

Good morning ladies! It's been awhile since I last visited this thread. I was monitoring the investigations regarding the NBN fiasco. I was a bit worried about Sen. Santiago's (To be honest with you guys, She is one of my favorite senator.. :D) comments about the Chinese. Hopefully, it won't hurt the Northrail-Southrail project. I came across a blog site of *I guess* Brad's group. Very very informative! I learn a lot from it. :D

Good morning ladies! It's been awhile since I last visited this thread. I was monitoring the investigations regarding the NBN fiasco. I was a bit worried about Sen. Santiago's (To be honest with you guys, She is one of my favorite senator.. :D) comments about the Chinese. Hopefully, it won't hurt the Northrail-Southrail project. I came across a blog site of *I guess* Brad's group. Very very informative! I learn a lot from it. :D

^^ Goodafternoon too, ladies... Yup!!! Theres no need to worry, anyway the Senadora did apologize already... :banana:

Good morning ladies! It's been awhile since I last visited this thread. I was monitoring the investigations regarding the NBN fiasco. I was a bit worried about Sen. Santiago's (To be honest with you guys, She is one of my favorite senator.. :D) comments about the Chinese. Hopefully, it won't hurt the Northrail-Southrail project. I came across a blog site of *I guess* Brad's group. Very very informative! I learn a lot from it. :D

^^ I guess, NSLink would not be affected anymore as if the people had already enough with this fiasco.... See the economy is healthy and the peso seems to be stronger in times of political instalbility... Amazing!!!

Good morning ladies! It's been awhile since I last visited this thread. I was monitoring the investigations regarding the NBN fiasco. I was a bit worried about Sen. Santiago's (To be honest with you guys, She is one of my favorite senator.. :D) comments about the Chinese. Hopefully, it won't hurt the Northrail-Southrail project. I came across a blog site of *I guess* Brad's group. Very very informative! I learn a lot from it. :D

^^ Eldasik, saan na po ba ang demolition activities along south expressway? Did they reach the Alabang section already or just moving from FTI to Bicutan all the way to Alabang..

You mean South Superhighway? Last sunday pumunta ako ng the fort, eh siguro halos kalahati ng time ng trip ko natulog ako hehe.. pero nagising naman ako before dumating ng toll gate. I noticed na me mga nademolished na dun sa me ilalim ng Skyway(?). Basta yung before ka dumating ng Manila Tollgate. Kaso nga lang bungi bungi.. me mga bahay na andun pa, meron din wala na..

You mean South Superhighway? Last sunday pumunta ako ng the fort, eh siguro halos kalahati ng time ng trip ko natulog ako hehe.. pero nagising naman ako before dumating ng toll gate. I noticed na me mga nademolished na dun sa me ilalim ng Skyway(?). Basta yung before ka dumating ng Manila Tollgate. Kaso nga lang bungi bungi.. me mga bahay na andun pa, meron din wala na..


^^ That's nice, that's is how good our approach to demolishing activities.. We can see that the squatters are not actually forcebly taken out.. Kusa po silang umaalis...

I was just watching Discovery HD channel and they had an episode of HD Traveler that features Thailand. They showed the railways of Thailand and a couple of the stations. There was a very beautiful station in Hua Hin which featured traditional Thai architecture. In one car there was a first class restaurant that offered Thai food while it rode past tropical scenery. It made me want to travel Thailand.

I hope PNR and Northrail will aim to match the quality of the Thai railways.

I was just watching Discovery HD channel and they had an episode of HD Traveler that features Thailand. They showed the railways of Thailand and a couple of the stations. There was a very beautiful station in Hua Hin which featured traditional Thai architecture. In one car there was a first class restaurant that offered Thai food while it rode past tropical scenery. It made me want to travel Thailand.

I hope PNR and Northrail will aim to match the quality of the Thai railways.


^^ I always believe that the Philippines can even surpass the quality of travel here with a lot better services than before.. With the relocation of of hundreds of thousands of families, it shows that the Philippines is indeed very much serious in rebuildings it old railway lines... Actually its a total brand new construction... Old rail lines were realigned and everything is new from railroad to railway structures including stations and other facilities.... The Philippines will definitely aim the best railway service it can afford. Another good reason is that all of the proponents wants to clear off the line from any mess before they can start the actual construction, a move and an initiative that has never been done before in our railway history.. This will assure the patronage of Filipino Riders because they will always see our railways at par with other improve countries....

^^ From one of the nicest Philippine Railway website: ^^

www.lagunarailways.blogspot.com

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^^ In this photos, we can actually see that the line from Magallanes all the way to FTI was cleared already from the squatters and its so nice... Very nice and very clean in that area now... I've got only one word to say.... ITS A BUNCH OF SUCCESS....

^^ Nicest thing about narrow gauge 1067mm railroad is that it can also achieved a normal speed of 170km/h.. This is the new Iperial Train of Japan... It runs on narrow gauge railways similar to us.... Amazing, this train really runs fast... Check it out!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHBhKi9gQl0&mode=related&search=

i see why is this thread running out of space so fast, wheel of steel, cant you compile all of you replies in comment in one single post? How fast the thread running out of space just doesnt make the construction any faster. Lesser thread make it easier for amateur like me to view the previous page and give us chance to understand it better.

i see why is this thread running out of space so fast, wheel of steel, cant you compile all of you replies in comment in one single post? How fast the thread running out of space just doesnt make the construction any faster. Lesser thread make it easier for amateur like me to view the previous page and give us chance to understand it better.

^^ Sure, my friend!!! :)

http://file.uploadr.com/10b7a-embed
.....:cheers:

^^ Hello Nathan, nice job again,... he he he!!! Im happy whenever I see Vice with Muntinlupa Mayor... kind of a relocation update talks... ha ha ha... Philippines move ahead.. I hope this is already the start of the relocation of hundreds more families in the Muntinlupa... Nice Nathan, great photos.... :bow:

^^ An update of the relocation activities being conducted for the Muntinlupa Railway section of the Linkage Project....

Courtesy of the news.balita.ph....

Saturday, September 22 2007 @ 12:32 PM BST

22 - VP Noli oversees smooth transfer of families in Muntinlupa relocation site

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"Ganyan sila (Muntinlupa relocatees) ka-excited, binabantayan nila ang trabaho sa site. Imagine mo nga naman katabi natin dito ang mga high-end subdivisions," said Vice-President and Chairman of the Housing and Urban Development Coordinating Council (HUDCC) Noli ‘Kabayan’ De Castro after his inspection Friday of the in-city 50-hectare relocation site in the New Bilibid Prison for some 7,000 families in the Muntinlupa segment of the rail linkage project.

"I would like to commend Muntinlupa City Mayor Aldrin San Pedro and Congressman (Lone District of Muntinlupa) Rozanno Rufino ‘Raffy’ Biazon for their cooperation and commitment to address the priority requirements in the site, particularly schools for elementary pupils and high school students," he also said.

The National Government, through the National Housing Authority (NHA) will put up the elementary school building while the city government will finance the construction of the high school building.

Cong. Biazon, on the other hand, committed to facilitate the release of funds for the deployment of additional teachers in Muntinlupa to address the high teacher-to-student ratio there.

"Natutuwa ako at mismong si Mayor San Pedro ang nangako na mamamahala sa supply at pamamahagi ng patubig sa relocation site… isang bagay na palagi na lang issue sa bawat relocation community," said de Castro.

During the inspection, the Vice-President also met with various people’s organizations in the site including the Homeless People’s Federation, the Muntinlupa Alliance of Urban Poor in Danger Areas, the Federation of Urban Poor in Danger Areas, PEROKARIL and the Coalition of New Bilibid Prison who expressed satisfaction on the development of the relocation site.

Priority for relocation in the New Bilibid Prison will be given to on-site informal settlers estimated at around 350 families.

The relocation is expected to start middle of October 2007.

As of date, the government completed the relocation of some 36,620 families living along the rail right-of-way of PNR’s north and southrail lines.

“With the full support of the Muntinlupa local government, we will be able to do what has been an impossible dream until now*to clear the way for a modern commuter train service within Metro Manila and to the south and to put the 'riles' dwellers in better homes that they can actually own,” De Castro said. (PNA)

^^ GOOD MORNING!!! ^^


Relocation of ‘home along the riles’ to start this month

From Manila Times
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...70807met2.html

President Arroyo announced on Monday that the government would start relocating families living on railroad tracks in Muntinlupa this month as part of the Northrail-Southrail Linkage Project.

The President and Vice-President Noli de Castro, the chairman of the Housing and Urban Development Coordinating Council, visited Muntinlupa on Monday.

Mayor Aldrin San Pedro quoted the President as saying the families will be transferred to the 55-hectare low-cost housing project inside the New Bilibid Prisons.

While the transfer is a national government project, San Pedro assured the families that he will provide trucks to help them transfer their belongings to their new home.

De Castro earlier urged contractors to speed up the building of the NBP housing project after noting the slow pace of work.

The contractors hired for the housing project are HG3 Construction, R2 Builders, Lenvoisa Construction and Linear Construction Inc.

Rep. Ruffy Biazon of Mun*tinlupa City earlier said that the families should not be transferred unless the relocation site is 100-percent ready.

The linkage project, an activity of the Philippines and South Korea, aims to modernize the railway system from Caloocan City to Calamba, Laguna.

Phase 1 of the project involves the 32-km stretch from Caloocan to Alabang, Muntinlupa.

The project will upgrade the PNR facilities, including railroad tracks, stations and flag stops, and repair of bridges in Pandacan and Alabang. The cost of Phase 1 is pegged at $50.42 million.

Phase 2, from the stretch from Alabang to Calamba, Laguna, will double railroad tracks. Existing stations will be rehabilitated and new stations constructed.

^^ This is how things are going in the Linkage Railway Relocation Program of the Cities of Paranague, Taguig and Muntinlupa Railway Sections. The Paranaque section is highlighted by the yellow thick line and mostly belongs to Brgy. San Martin de Porres (about 3 kms of 20m to 30m ROW) will be relocated to San Pedro Relocation Site. Taguig section which highlighted by the blue thick line (about 5kms of 30m or more ROW) will be transfered to Trece Martirez Relocation Site in the Province of Cavite. The Muntinlupa Section on the other hand which is the biggest section of Linkage Project Relocation Program will displace more than 10000 families and will be transfered to New Bilibid Prison Relocation Site.. Muntinlupa section is about 10kms of 30m or more ROW and enough to complete the 1st phase of the Linkage Project which is only up to Alabang... Muntinlupa relocation will exceed Alabang Station and will mark the start of the 2nd phase of the Linkage Relocation Project... All of these relocation will be conducted starting this month up to December...

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Good Afternoon Ladies! Here is a photo of another railway crossing here in San Pablo. It is near the public cemetery.

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I went to Alabang yesterday.. I'm wondering where does the Cabuyao Railway extension goes to? and also that San Pedro extension/spur line/whatever.. :D

Good Afternoon Ladies! Here is a photo of another railway crossing here in San Pablo. It is near the public cemetery.

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I went to Alabang yesterday.. I'm wondering where does the Cabuyao Railway extension goes to? and also that San Pedro extension/spur line/whatever.. :D


^^ Nice Ed.. ha ha ha... hmm it all appears that San Pan Pablo isn't really a mess... Like here in Albay, but in Legazpi damn, the squatters were all allowed to built concrete houses... Many thanks el sa photos, more power to you and your work. If the Southrail begins constructions, we will have so many stories to share... Relax ka lang, marami tayong updates next week.... :banana:

^^ Magandang hapon mga babae!!! :lol: :lol: Here's the situation of the Laon Laan to Espanya Sections were the affected families only moved out 5m from the outside rail of the railroad... We have no confirmation yet whether the theres already an agreement between them and the government.. But all I can say is that most of the line from Caloocan to Calamba except this section would have at least 20m and more ROW. Maybe for starters, they have agreed to be like this since most of the establishments are concrete and very hard to move out. Some of them have a business there...

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[QUOTE=wheel of steel;15636953]^^ Magandang hapon mga babae!!! :lol: :lol: Here's the situation of the Laon Laan to Espanya Sections were the affected families only moved out 5m from the outside rail of the railroad... We have no confirmation yet whether the theres already an agreement between them and the government.. But all I can say is that most of the line from Caloocan to Calamba except this section would have at least 20m and more ROW. Maybe for starters, they have agreed to be like this since most of the establishments are concrete and very hard to move out. Some of them have a business there... In this way they could have much time to move out...

The vice president said during his visit at Paranaque Section of the railway last July that they are planning to expand the railways into 4 tracks. No confirmation yet as of this moment to where it could be laid off. It's very obvious that they are targeting 30m ROW. 15m easement is not enough for a double track since it would be needing at least 30m to lay those 4 tracks safely...

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^^ I think this is pretty pretty much better.... ummm!!! :lol: :lol:

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Hi guys, been away for too long :) ... how is it going?

Good morning ladies! It's been awhile since I last visited this thread. I was monitoring the investigations regarding the NBN fiasco. I was a bit worried about Sen. Santiago's (To be honest with you guys, She is one of my favorite senator.. :D) comments about the Chinese. Hopefully, it won't hurt the Northrail-Southrail project. I came across a blog site of *I guess* Brad's group. Very very informative! I learn a lot from it. :D

If it was a blog site it is probably the one done by a friend and fellow PRHS board member.

Brad

^^ Goodafternoon too, ladies... Yup!!! Theres no need to worry, anyway the Senadora did apologize already... :banana:


hehehehehehehe
I watched all this on ANC :)

Did they accept the apology? I can't understand these forced apologies ever being accepted. She must have mean't it to say it in the first place and if there was no outcry I bet she would not have taken it back.
Got to admit though, she has a lot of guts and is a tough Pinay to come out and say it.

Brad
** Went to the 2007 Philippine Fiesta in Sydney yesterday. Tonnes of great Philo food and entertainment. As well as thousands of Pinays :)

Hi guys, been away for too long :) ... how is it going?

All fine here mate.
Been a few days since I was hear to and am enjoying all the latest chat.

BRad

All fine here mate.
Been a few days since I was hear to and am enjoying all the latest chat.

BRad

^^ ^^ GOOD DAY TO ALL ^^ ^^

Any update guys!!! :cheers:

All fine here mate.
Been a few days since I was hear to and am enjoying all the latest chat.

BRad

I find it very hard to catch up with the discussions here...

Have they started the Southrail yet?

I find it very hard to catch up with the discussions here...

Have they started the Southrail yet?

^^ Relocation program of the squatters was already part of the Southrail Construction and infact the most important recipe for the success of this railway project... Remember, the contractors are very much eager to come up with the whole clearing of the line and they will only start the actual construction if the whole line was cleared. That's the bottom line here why we all find it hard to rebuilt our railways simply because if we can't clear the squatters, there would be no proponents that would willing to invest in the first place... And also this is the very main reason of the failure of PNR to come up with a healthy revenue. Passengers always complain about those squatters always and mostly are disregarded permanently.

I think the better way of approach here is to accept whatever accomplishment have been done so far. Weve seen it all already that major portions of Southrail was cleared and some only awaits the completion of their respective transfer places.

The government is very much serious about this and I see that they are doing it in a humane way. Let us give them a chance to finish their relocation activities and to finally start the actual construction of this railway. Let us not loose our hope because we've already seen sings of progress, at least bit by bit.

WoS: Thanks.. Sa totoo lang, I'm excited and can't wait for the construction to start. :D

Brad: I think so.. Anyway, the link of it is already mentioned here, Laguna Railways Blog. I already add it in my bookmarks.. :)

WoS: Thanks.. Sa totoo lang, I'm excited and can't wait for the construction to start. :D

Brad: I think so.. Anyway, the link of it is already mentioned here, Laguna Railways Blog. I already add it in my bookmarks.. :)


^^ :banana: :banana: Wow!!! Me too, eversince I join this forum, I really had a desire for railways.... Patience lang muna tayo ha... Developments will shoot up once this mess have been removed..:cheers:

WoS: Thanks.. Sa totoo lang, I'm excited and can't wait for the construction to start. :D

Brad: I think so.. Anyway, the link of it is already mentioned here, Laguna Railways Blog. I already add it in my bookmarks.. :)


Yep thats our mate Jaime. He is an encyclopedia of Philippine history and knows so many people.
We found him by chance on the internet and he is a major part of our desire for the railway historical society. I have yet to meet him, but the other guys have.
He has done extensive mapping of the Philippine railways on Google, all of which can be seen on that site.
The site is so good that I pretty much removed most of the historical content from mine and now concentrate on the current and more recent stuff.

Brad

Brad

^^ :banana: :banana: Wow!!! Me too, eversince I join this forum, I really had a desire for railways.... Patience lang muna tayo ha... Developments will shoot up once this mess have been removed..:cheers:

Im really looking forward mostly to returning and seeing the changes. The pictures here are wonderful, but I think I shall be getting a big surprise when I finally get there.
It will be a whole new PNR to the one I had grown to love.
Just hope we have time to save some of the old one.

Brad

nde pa ba ito start?...i believe they have already started in some areas...the north south connectivity is supposed to be finished by june next year...that is about 8 mos to go..

nde pa ba ito start?...i believe they have already started in some areas...the north south connectivity is supposed to be finished by june next year...that is about 8 mos to go..

^^ The contractor did not agree to construct it portion by portion but instead wait to clear first the whole length of Caloocan to Alabang Segment..

Ahh... good news, a while ago a friend of mine from Cabuyao informed me that some of the houses their starts to move already... Likewise in the Paranaque Section just near the FTI Station... Another major relocation would be conducted this Middle October along the whole length of Muntinlupa portion of the railway including the Alabang Station. So we would be expecting massive relocation activities this month thereafter. Demolition in this areas will take about 1 month to finish.

With regards to Blumentrit-Tayuman and Blumentrit-Caloocan Station, a few developments are already happening but surely they are scheduled this November...

^^ The contractor did not agree to construct it portion by portion but instead wait to clear first the whole length of Caloocan to Alabang Segment.. .


Yeah this would make more sense, it ensures the shortest amount of disruption to rail services (such as they are) on the section.
If the tracks weren't in such bad condition they could theoretically run the current services on one line with crossovers, while the other line is rebuilt and then swapped over.
But with the whole formation in such a bad way it is just easier to close the lot.

Brad

a derailment happened yesterday (OCt. 1 2007)

Yeah this would make more sense, it ensures the shortest amount of disruption to rail services (such as they are) on the section.
If the tracks weren't in such bad condition they could theoretically run the current services on one line with crossovers, while the other line is rebuilt and then swapped over.
But with the whole formation in such a bad way it is just easier to close the lot.

Brad

the tracks need a total overhaul... and revamp.. even also the tracks that wer laid and replaced a decade ago should be replaced,

see my youtube account, i got videos 0f railway replacing in britain... from discovery channel.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kaelthas18

see my youtube account, i got videos 0f railway replacing in britain... from discovery channel.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kaelthas18



^^ Oh, nice video.. Ver impormative and educational. Many thanks for the videos Nathan. Is there any update of whats going around in the Blumentrit to Caloocan and Blumentrit to Tayuman Section of the Linkage project?

yup that is the way things are done now....better and faster...

the tracks need a total overhaul... and revamp.. even also the tracks that wer laid and replaced a decade ago should be replaced,

I think they'll be replacing the whole length of tracks when the projects goes green...

I'm not seeing any developments in our vicinity, Bicutan. Do you have any news to share?

for railway fans, these is a video of track building and replacing watch this...
form discovery channel.. shhhh..quiet lng ha..hehehe
i know this is out of topic, but it is a trend in the whole world in replacing tracks... madmi kau ma22nan d2, and sna gnto ang wish ko na ma-happen sa country natin, kahit diesel lng ok na, basta better facilities and rolling stock, and also the railway system , hope u like these videos

Great West coast Railway, London-Glasgow Scotland..
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss5Qaewcs8
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPxA0e0XcQQ
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsdzQEIuBw
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvDdh7Hfwhw
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOoVJ8SF5o
Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VlCXIj7BBE

i hope north rail will be like this ,even if it is a DMU,

I think they'll be replacing the whole length of tracks when the projects goes green...

ya i hope so, and hope there will be no more lagari and bakal Boys..
hey i just realize bumagal na ata ang thread dito, well anyway, no new updates pa now, dmi kc mga conflicts sa mga projects ng gov't.. hay .. Christmas is coming, sna matapos na mga projects, they shud start na, time is ticking...:bash: :bash: :bash: :ohno: :ohno:

Hi Nathan,

Thank you to you, Brad, @wheel_of_steel and everyone else for posting updates on Northrail - we are indeed all very excited that trains will soon run again north of Manila.

I am quite hopeful that in a few years, I will simply disembark at DMIA, take the train to Tarlac and be picked up at the station a few kilometers away from our house, without the hassle of having someone to pick me up deep into Manila's traffic -- like I would use the Heathrow Express and Gatwick Express to whiz me from central London to these airports in minutes.

I used to ride the train from Tarlac to Pangasinan in the early 1980s whenever my family visits my grandparents and I did get to be very excited about riding the trains, and about seeing lolo and lola.

And I still am excited about trains. In fact I commute daily between Twickenham station to London Waterloo plus a short tube ride to the City (parang Makati CBD or Wall Street ng London). Twickenham is located in what we call Zone 5 (out of 6), and about 25 kilometers away from the City, but my trip only takes 20 minutes on an express train!

And everyday, I never fail to be fascinated by the trains. London Waterloo is equally impressive - it has 19 platforms for local trains to Southwest England plus 5 more for the Eurostar - and it is truly amazing to use this station ten times a week.

I hope Filipinos will also be able to experience the efficiency and comfort of the railways. Having seen pictures of Malolos and Guiguinto stations, I share everyone's dream for a truly world class railway system for our country.

By the way, your videos are very interesting. The West Coast Main Line is used by Virgin Trains' Pendolino tilting trains which can reach speeds up to 125 mph / 200 kph.

In fact, next week, I am taking the Pendolino from London Euston station to Liverpool where will stay for a couple of days - 200 miles / 320 kilometers for just 2 hours 30 minutes. It's not as fast as the Eurostar or the French TGV, but it's still very fast, I think. It's not cheap though, my round-trip ticket costs GBP205 (about PHP19,000; it's for peak travel; off peak I think is only about GBP60) and that's just standard class, not first class - but of course it gets to the company credit card, not my own!

Again, maraming salamat and please keep the updates coming - they simply make my day! :cheers:


for railway fans, these is a video of track building and replacing watch this...
form discovery channel.. shhhh..quiet lng ha..hehehe
i know this is out of topic, but it is a trend in the whole world in replacing tracks... madmi kau ma22nan d2, and sna gnto ang wish ko na ma-happen sa country natin, kahit diesel lng ok na, basta better facilities and rolling stock, and also the railway system , hope u like these videos

Great West coast Railway, London-Glasgow Scotland..
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss5Qaewcs8
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPxA0e0XcQQ
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsdzQEIuBw
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvDdh7Hfwhw
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOoVJ8SF5o
Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VlCXIj7BBE

i hope north rail will be like this ,even if it is a DMU,

tnx ponso, nywei i also got a vids of the making of Underground Tube Jubilee line...haha, ewan ko kung pwde pa ipost,hahaha,tska ung vids of concept railway stations in saudi and works of santiago calatrava

I think they'll be replacing the whole length of tracks when the projects goes green...

^^ Bicutan developments have already begun in a slow process due to unfinished relocation sites.. Eventually they will all be evacuated in time for the massive relocation activities to be conducted by mid of October, as promised by the NHA. Further developments also noted along Southrail1A, where preparations for constructions are already on mainstreams such as the land acquisition and the approval of the squatters to be relocated. Construction can be easily facilitated even if there still squatters in the area since a lot of these houses are at a distance from the rails compared to Linkage ROW. Then relocation can be proceeded and expected to end before Southrail1A finishes.

Hi Nathan,

Thank you to you, Brad, @wheel_of_steel and everyone else for posting updates on Northrail - we are indeed all very excited that trains will soon run again north of Manila.

I am quite hopeful that in a few years, I will simply disembark at DMIA, take the train to Tarlac and be picked up at the station a few kilometers away from our house, without the hassle of having someone to pick me up deep into Manila's traffic -- like I would use the Heathrow Express and Gatwick Express to whiz me from central London to these airports in minutes.

I used to ride the train from Tarlac to Pangasinan in the early 1980s whenever my family visits my grandparents and I did get to be very excited about riding the trains, and about seeing lolo and lola.

And I still am excited about trains. In fact I commute daily between Twickenham station to London Waterloo plus a short tube ride to the City (parang Makati CBD or Wall Street ng London). Twickenham is located in what we call Zone 5 (out of 6), and about 25 kilometers away from the City, but my trip only takes 20 minutes on an express train!

And everyday, I never fail to be fascinated by the trains. London Waterloo is equally impressive - it has 19 platforms for local trains to Southwest England plus 5 more for the Eurostar - and it is truly amazing to use this station ten times a week.

I hope Filipinos will also be able to experience the efficiency and comfort of the railways. Having seen pictures of Malolos and Guiguinto stations, I share everyone's dream for a truly world class railway system for our country.

By the way, your videos are very interesting. The West Coast Main Line is used by Virgin Trains' Pendolino tilting trains which can reach speeds up to 125 mph / 200 kph.

In fact, next week, I am taking the Pendolino from London Euston station to Liverpool where will stay for a couple of days - 200 miles / 320 kilometers for just 2 hours 30 minutes. It's not as fast as the Eurostar or the French TGV, but it's still very fast, I think. It's not cheap though, my round-trip ticket costs GBP205 (about PHP19,000; it's for peak travel; off peak I think is only about GBP60) and that's just standard class, not first class - but of course it gets to the company credit card, not my own!

Again, maraming salamat and please keep the updates coming - they simply make my day! :cheers:

^^ I think the fastest tilting train I know suitable for narrow gauge operation was the QR Tilting Train of Queensland, Australia where trains runs at max. speed of 160kph to 170kph. The trains was built by Hitachi Corp. Japan also operates lines with max speed of 150kph... Notable ones are the Super Hitachi, Fresh Hitachi, Super Hakucho Limited Express and a lot more commuter lines. In Taiwan also, their fastest one was Taroko Express with max speed of 140kph.

^^ Possible outcome of the Linkage Project from Caloocan and Tutuban to Calamba, a 4 track railroad with 30m ROW and 7.5m safety buffer both sides of the outside tracks... The design came up based on how will this line will anticipate and eventually handle more trains in the near future...

Configuration:
From wall, 7.5m to the first track and 4m between tracks. Same on the other side and the center would have a 5m distance between the 2 inner tracks...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1438/1481355027_d8fb1b0949_o.jpg

^^ HEY GUYS!!! This is for us, I got this from BCDA website, and of course without permission... :lol: :lol: :lol: Jokes!!! But due to my excitement I've posted it here...

Taken from no other than North Rail Authority. http://www.bcda.gov.ph/jobs-northrail.asp

:banana: :banana: NORTH LUZON RAILWAYS CORPORATION :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: JOB VACANCIES:banana: :banana:


1 ARCHITECT/PLANNER
(Stations and Depot)
Bachelor’s Degree in Architecture
Must be a licensed Architect
With at least 2 years relevant work experience
With at least 4 hours relevant training

2 CIVIL WORKS ENGINEER
(Civil and Track Works)
Bachelor’s Degree in Civil Engineering
Must be a licensed Civil Engineer
With at least 2 years relevant work experience in railway projects
With at least 4 hours relevant training
Familiarization with AUTOCAD software an advantage

3 ROLLING STOCK ENGINEER
(Rolling Stock, Signaling and Communications)
Bachelor’s Degree in Mechanical Engineering
Must be a licensed Mechanical Engineer
With at least 2 years relevant work experience in railway projects
With at least 4 hours relevant training

4 STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
(Civil and Track Works)
Bachelor’s Degree in Civil Engineering
Must be a licensed Civil Engineer
With at least 2 years relevant work experience
With at least 4 hours relevant training
Experience in railway projects an advantage
Familiarization with design softwares (i.e. STAAD – latest version) an advantage s

5 STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
(Stations and Depot)
Bachelor’s Degree in Civil Engineering
Must be a licensed Civil Engineer
With at least 2 years relevant work experience
With at least 4 hours relevant training

6 TRACK WORKS ENGINEER
Bachelor’s Degree in Civil Engineering
Must be a licensed Civil Engineer
With at least 2 years relevant work experience in railway projects, specifically track works
With at least 4 hours relevant training
Familiarization with the installation and maintenance of railway tracks an advantage



Applicants MUST submit the following at the HRMD Division, NorthRail Head Office, 2nd Floor, Bonifacio Technology Center, 31st Street, Crescent Park West, Bonifacio Global City, Taguig, Metro Manila on or before 12 October 2007:

Curriculum Vitae (with picture)
Photocopy of PRC license
Photocopy of diploma, transcript of records, and other supporting documents.

http://file.uploadr.com/10d6a-embed

http://file.uploadr.com/10d6a-embed

Ok, good!!!! pwede na sa mga intersections.... Ang galing, sa Autocad ba ito ginawa?:banana:

Ok, good!!!! pwede na sa mga intersections.... Ang galing, sa Autocad ba ito ginawa?:banana:

um nag sketch ako, tpos scan ko. tpos photoshop, wla pa kc ako maicip knna e, kaya ngsketch muna me..

^^ Nathan, u can try one of those position. I hope after your graduation, you can still have at least small time railroad construction experience. Then, once you get in, tulungan mo ako makapasok din... he he he...sapul!!!! :lol: :lol:

^^ um nag sketch ako, tpos scan ko. tpos photoshop, wla pa kc ako maicip knna e, kaya ngsketch muna me..

^^ Ako rin gumagawa me ng mini renderings ng mga possible railway stations. Hindi pa tapos kasi nahirapan me sa mga measurements ng actual rolling stocks.. Hope I could finished it already. :cheers:

^^ Reposted for our New Forumers and Viewers!!! ^^

Courtesy of Sir kalbongdad

THE MODERN DMU NORTHRAIL TRAINS...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/1308896314_47de36eafb_o.jpg


INSIDE THE SUPER TRAIN...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1308891436_b1024ce34d_o.jpg


CONSTRUCTION AT MALOLOS HIGHWAY SIDE

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1114/1308758844_fcaff26291_o.jpg


PILE FOOTING ERECTION IN ACTION!!! AT MALOLOS ELEVATED STATION

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1201/1308753538_28e8772504_o.jpg


MALABON TRUE 30 METER ENBANKMENT

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/1308748968_f1de7ef97c_o.jpg


MALOLOS SUPER NORTHRAIL TERMINAL

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1234/1307859875_7a9f6b9339_b.jpg

^ wow! sana maitayo na yan.

^ wow! sana maitayo na yan.

^^ Sana nga... :banana:

^^ Reposted for our New Forumers and Viewers!!! ^^

Courtesy of Sir kalbongdad

THE MODERN DMU NORTHRAIL TRAINS...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/1308896314_47de36eafb_o.jpg


INSIDE THE SUPER TRAIN...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1308891436_b1024ce34d_o.jpg


CONSTRUCTION AT MALOLOS HIGHWAY SIDE

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1114/1308758844_fcaff26291_o.jpg


PILE FOOTING ERECTION IN ACTION!!! AT MALOLOS ELEVATED STATION

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1201/1308753538_28e8772504_o.jpg


MALABON TRUE 30 METER ENBANKMENT

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/1308748968_f1de7ef97c_o.jpg


MALOLOS SUPER NORTHRAIL TERMINAL

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1234/1307859875_7a9f6b9339_b.jpg

are the trains and the interior for real?! if it is, then it is really more modern than all of the existing rail systems here in the philippines

are the trains and the interior for real?! if it is, then it is really more modern than all of the existing rail systems here in the philippines

^^ Yup, modern but not so high speed since our railway lines once completed will only allow 160kph max.. Our train will cruise only at speeds of 130kph.. Yes the trains are real.. We'll anyway we still have so many railway education so for the starters, its the best for us....

^^ I have taken this from our Indonesia Railway Thread... This is so nice because our future railway would be the same or if not, I think better than Indonesia.. But Im very possitive, if we could catch up with Indonesia, I bet we have already a reliable railway system like them.... :banana: :banana:

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/24/157/rel1.jpg


Ganito po magiging kataba ang ating railway... The same gauge, and exactly the same pati layout.

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/24/157/rel2.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/24/157/rel3.jpg

^^ I bet you guys, the Indonesia Railways is emulating Japan Railway System. Halos pareho ang approach nila sa railway system... Sa atin kasi, LRT lang ang pinariority while in Indonesia, puro heavy railways resulting in a much developed railway system.. Ang linis ng terminal... tsskkkkk!!!

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/22/157/rel4.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/22/157/rel1.jpg

^^ I bet you guys, the Indonesia Railways is emulating Japan Railway System. Halos pareho ang approach nila sa railway system... Sa atin kasi, LRT lang ang pinariority while in Indonesia, puro heavy railways resulting in a much developed railway system.. Ang linis ng terminal... tsskkkkk!!!

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/22/157/rel4.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/11/22/157/rel1.jpg

Hi Nathan,

Thank you to you, Brad, @wheel_of_steel and everyone else for posting updates on Northrail - we are indeed all very excited that trains will soon run again north of Manila.

Hi ponso,
Great to hear from you.
I have long had a interest in the railways there in the UK, but mostly in the earlier diesel days.
Look forward to chatting with you.

Brad

^^ I think the fastest tilting train I know suitable for narrow gauge operation was the QR Tilting Train of Queensland, Australia where trains runs at max. speed of 160kph to 170kph. The trains was built by Hitachi Corp..

Actually built by EDI Rail in their Maryborough plant. Formerly the famous Walkers plant.

Brad

are the trains and the interior for real?! if it is, then it is really more modern than all of the existing rail systems here in the philippines


The photos are real, but the trains are artists impressions.
The impressions don't show a DMU, however thats what they are supposed to be getting.
The longatudinal seating was the catalyst for the biggest arguement in PhilippineRailway Yahoogroup history :(

Brad

The photos are real, but the trains are artists impressions.
The impressions don't show a DMU, however thats what they are supposed to be getting.
The longatudinal seating was the catalyst for the biggest arguement in PhilippineRailway Yahoogroup history :(

Brad


^^ The arrangement of the seatings was the extension of an LRT Service to Bulacan. Just like in Japan specifically along the Joban Line.. Mito is a city part of the line and is about 125km north or Tokyo but still being serve by a commuter train with a longitudinal seating arrangement. I think this is also adviable in places wherein there is really a substantial passenger potential. Northrail once operational is targeting as much as 40000 passenges per hour.

^^ In Malaysia however, the KTMb from Kuala Lumpur to Rawang to Ipoh has a conventional seating arrangement. I guess not much passengers are taking this train. In the case of Indonesia, where trains run as far as 100km from the major cities of Jakarta, Bandung and Surabaya where train seating configuration remains longitudinal despite of the distance.

I think as far as the Manila to Clark route is concerned, most of the train really would have a longitudinal seating arrangement with exceptions to limited and express trains where passengers totally needs confort..

^^ From trapik.com

"Home Along The Riles" Residents Stage a Rally
By Online Staff
Posted : 8/15/2007

Squatters living along the railway tracks are against their relocation to relocation sites due to the impending Northrail and Southrail projects.

Muntinlupa Mayor Aldrin San Pedro together with Senator Rodolfo Biazon and Representative Ruffy Biazon inspected the relocation site at the New Bilibid reservation area and found out that there is no access road and no electricity which will make it hard for the relocated families to send their children to school, live in their new homes or earn a decent living.

San Pedro is asking the government to complete the facilities before relocating the families.

However, affected families in Caloocan City are far more lucky than their counterparts in Muntinlupa. The local government and the Urban Poor Affairs Office will be able to give them a relocation site in Bagumbong that is accessible to schools, hospitals, markets, terminals and main roads.

Meantime "riles" residents in Sampaloc, Manila are not complaining about the Northrail and Southrail projects but are complaining why they have to be relocated to sites that are far from where they work. The residents who have been living in the area for more than 30 years are saying that they are willing to pay for the allotment of the lot where they reside. There also residents complaining that their houses are built five meters away from the outer railway tracks but still are included in the demolition. ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good day guys!

Nice to see updates for the Northrail... and the NS Link... How about the Southrail? I have a bad feeling the Dec 2009 plan for S-rail PH1 wont be met on schedule... pessimistically speaking :lol:

Good day guys!

Nice to see updates for the Northrail... and the NS Link... How about the Southrail? I have a bad feeling the Dec 2009 plan for S-rail PH1 wont be met on schedule... pessimistically speaking :lol:

^^ Well ayos lang, kahit Calamba lang, pwede na. Avoiding massive traffic jams along the South Superhighway is a lot of big help already. Sana sa hanggang Lucena, para ung galing Bicol, sakay na lang dyan sraight ahead to Tutuban...

Good day guys!

Nice to see updates for the Northrail... and the NS Link... How about the Southrail? I have a bad feeling the Dec 2009 plan for S-rail PH1 wont be met on schedule... pessimistically speaking :lol:

^^ Dont loose hope, removing only those squatters is like crossing a river with only one rope. Pero success di ba with all those portion have cleared already, so success din syempre pag nasimulan na ang Southrail1a. Iskwater lang kasi ang nakakadelay, wala nang iba pa. Imagine, tayo nga nadidiscourage, si PGMA pa kaya na nangako na tatapusin nya ito within 2 years. So lets support and and pray for it. Even if theres no update, post pa rin tayo lagi dito sa thread. :)

Good day guys!

Nice to see updates for the Northrail... and the NS Link... How about the Southrail? I have a bad feeling the Dec 2009 plan for S-rail PH1 wont be met on schedule... pessimistically speaking :lol:

^^ Wag natin pabayaan ang ating thread inactive. I would raher thank Nathan very much because of his contributions here. I am kind of insecured here cause I havent posted yet a big contribution here actually taken by me. So I just keep on doing what is good for our thread. Kahit konting posts and goog news lang, ok na. Baka kasi mapabayaan natin, sabihin ng iba specially our foreign friends here na wala talagang tayong care and interest sa railway rehabilitation. tssskkkk... tsssskkkk.... Government is spending a lot of money for this project and we always have to appreciate it whatever moves they are doing.

Howdee,
Believe San Mig Crp are building some towers of condos very near to Pasay Road station.
Am told that the commercial floors go up to the 7th, with the 8th onwards being available for condos.
With a little care in purchasing one could really have a nice PNR view huh. Would like to get one but a little to expensive for me sadly :-( Shame, would have been great for a PNR webcam to.

Brad

Howdee,
Believe San Mig Crp are building some towers of condos very near to Pasay Road station.
Am told that the commercial floors go up to the 7th, with the 8th onwards being available for condos.
With a little care in purchasing one could really have a nice PNR view huh. Would like to get one but a little to expensive for me sadly :-( Shame, would have been great for a PNR webcam to.

Brad

^^ Wow! Nice idea mate, youre the guy we're looking for.:banana: Hope you can find a cheaper one with a nice view. So you could always the Bicol Express smashing...

^^ I really had a good feeling that Linkage Project would give substantial boost to PNR's revenue.. Remember, this time no more squatters. Having a lot of squatters before lost bunch of sentiments from riding public. This is our chance to improve our railway system.. Infact, I already imagine the railway being so clean and free from obstruction with modern and very fast express and commuter trains running at most 100 to 120kph.

^^ Good News, the Philippine National Railways website is working now. But the contents are a little not updated. Check this out at www.pnr.gov.ph :banana:

Howdee,
Believe San Mig Crp are building some towers of condos very near to Pasay Road station.
Am told that the commercial floors go up to the 7th, with the 8th onwards being available for condos.
With a little care in purchasing one could really have a nice PNR view huh. Would like to get one but a little to expensive for me sadly :-( Shame, would have been great for a PNR webcam to.

Brad

Well I guess the "Pabahay Sa Riles" would be a cheaper alternative :lol:. I wonder if these structures would bother train operations in the future if left out.


^^ Dont loose hope, removing only those squatters is like crossing a river with only one rope. Pero success di ba with all those portion have cleared already, so success din syempre pag nasimulan na ang Southrail1a. Iskwater lang kasi ang nakakadelay, wala nang iba pa. Imagine, tayo nga nadidiscourage, si PGMA pa kaya na nangako na tatapusin nya ito within 2 years. So lets support and and pray for it. Even if theres no update, post pa rin tayo lagi dito sa thread. :)

I want to be as optimistic as possible about this Southrail project, but looking into the past 3 administrations (1992-Present), they have nothing to show in terms of large infrastructure project accomplishments for Quezon province and Bicol... Shame:ohno:

Well I guess the "Pabahay Sa Riles" would be a cheaper alternative :lol:. I wonder if these structures would bother train operations in the future if left out.

I want to be as optimistic as possible about this Southrail project, but looking into the past 3 administrations (1992-Present), they have nothing to show in terms of large infrastructure project accomplishments for Quezon province and Bicol... Shame:ohno:

^^ I am positive that this "Pabahay Sa Rilest" would be again catasthropic event if left unresolved. Ramos administration have already implemented it before but was never a success since families residing in this Pabahay sa Riles abused their rights over what the government is supposedly agreed between them. I think effort of the government to clear first the squatters together with this existing pabahay sa riles before any actual constructions begin shows how the government is carefully following an super effective and humane but costly relocation that will solve our long squatter pandemic issue..

The proponent and the contractor is always right. Clear the line first before any implementation be done because this is also for us and for the success of the operation of our newly soon rebuilted railways system.

I want to be as optimistic as possible about this Southrail project, but looking into the past 3 administrations (1992-Present), they have nothing to show in terms of large infrastructure project accomplishments for Quezon province and Bicol... Shame:ohno:

Actually, only this administration has a clear and step by step railway program in our country for the last 22 years since democracy was back. It is just a matter of funding why this project was long been delayed. If we could only get what amount we want, then there would be no problem at all. Thanks coz we have this proponent already to start the project. Only the clearing of the line is required to fully start the construction....

^^ Palamig muna tayo guys... :cheers: ^^

From Indonesia Railways Picture.. Narrow Gauge Railroad same to us...

hmmm!!!! Ala Manila ang style...but but but...Malinis ang kanilang riles.....

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/c/CC20182.jpg.94353.jpg


Eto!!! Ala Japan ang style... Masikip ang crossing but malinis din.. very likely to a Japanese Railway Crossings...

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/c/CC20194.jpg.76237.jpg


Another imulation of a JR Railway Scene.. An EMU passing on the same crossing before. Some of the Indonesia Railways are fully electrified and mostly double tracked...

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/6/6188.jpg.55702.jpg


Owwsss!!! This is a clear 8m ROW, again... hmm... but but but without squatters on the sides that is why its clean... :)

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/b/BD_sta_east.jpg.62131.jpg


Nice Bridge!!!! he he he....

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/c/Cikubang_Bridge.jpg.73228.jpg


Eto ang hindi alam ng mga squatters dyan sa may Sampaloc... Hindi lang pala double track ang kailangan... ha ha ha.... Para sa mainline, dapat kasi maluwag ang Right of Way... So the reason why the PNR is acquiring their lot is this!!!......

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/c/CC20165.jpg.40969.jpg

You know why the trains are crowded? Because they know the trains will take them somewhere without fear of being attack by a squatter.

^^ This is the Malolos Railway Station in 1898.

http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/pop/malol71g.jpg


This is the Malolos Railway Station now prior to the visit of PGMA last Aug. 29, 2007.

http://www.news.ops.gov.ph/photos-jul2007/ph5-072807.jpg

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE!!!


Hi Guys!!! Went home to Batangas last weekend and on my way there i took a shot of the Taguig Section of the NS linkage project. I apologize for the quality, ibang camphone kasi ang gamit ko dito.

http://www.youtube.com/v/d14_JeRivVw

Bugni, bungi na yung mga bahay sa gilid ng SLEX, na demolish na kasi ung ba sa kanila. Ung iba naman naghihintay na ma demolish. :D

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE!!!


Hi Guys!!! Went home to Batangas last weekend and on my way there i took a shot of the Taguig Section of the NS linkage project. I apologize for the quality, ibang camphone kasi ang gamit ko dito.

http://www.youtube.com/v/d14_JeRivVw

Bugni, bungi na yung mga bahay sa gilid ng SLEX, na demolish na kasi ung ba sa kanila. Ung iba naman naghihintay na ma demolish. :D


ha ha ha ha!!! Nice Chits... he he he... nagbunga rin yung paghihintay ko.. :lol:

aray! nahilo ako sa kakatingin ng bridge! :dizzy:

Nice Shot!!!! Many thanks.... :banana: Medyo napalaki lang yung screen but anyway if we adjust the resolution and make it small, sure the images will be visible...

aray! nahilo ako sa kakatingin ng bridge! :dizzy:


ha ha ha!!! mag imodium tayo kontra pang hihilo... uhhhhhhh :)

^^ Theres actually 5 major bridges along Northrail Section 1 while there is 1 major bridge in Linkage Phase 1 more specifically the Pandacan Bridge. Pano natin masasabi na over priced nga ang Northrail 1 compared to Linkage 1? ... tssskkkk..... tssskk.... Building 1 railway bridge alone would enormously cost a lot of investment... Not including the construction of railway depot.. This is only a fact.:lol:

^^ Indonesia Railways recently built one major railway depot near Jakarta. I suspect the Northrail Depot near Valenzuela would look like this..

Nice Depot from Jakarta, Indonesia taken from Skyscrapercity Indonesia Forums...

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6225/img0521fd4.jpg


Looks like a Korean, Japanese or Taiwan Railways.

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/4715/krlpage5zm3.jpg

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/4715/krlpage5zm3.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9563/krlpage6nf7.jpg

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6153/krlpage4zd3.jpg


Inside the Indonesian Commuter Train

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8255/krlpage1jy1.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9563/krlpage6nf7.jpg

^^ Sorry guys, for posting Indonesian Railway here. Im just giving you a perspective of what our railways system would look like once its done. Indonesia and the Philippines together with Japan, Taiwan, Queensland and New Zealand have same railway gauge they use to call it as "Cape Gauge".

Close this MANILA, Philippines--THE DEPARTMENT of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) is embarking on a project to interconnect the North and South rail lines by 2010.

In line with this target, Transport Secretary Leandro R. Mendoza has directed Philippine National Railways (PNR) general manager Jose Ma. Sarsola II and North Luzon Railway Corporation (NLRC) president Arsenio M. Bartolome, to conduct a study for the seamless operation and inter-operability of the North and South rail lines.

Mendoza said in a statement over the weekend that the establishment of seamless operation and inter-operability of the North and South rail systems will provide a fast, convenient and reliable transportation service, connecting the northern provinces of Luzon to the southern regions.

He expressed hope that the rail connection would spur trade in North and South Luzon, and provide more job opportunities, increase the income of producers, and stimulate social development opportunities in areas traversed by the rail systems.

He instructed PNR and NLRC to make sure that, once Phase 1 of the Northrail and Southrail projects are completed, seamless operation of the rail line will take place.

The Northrail-Southrail Linkage Phase 1 will traverse the cities of Caloocan and Muntinlupa, passing through the cities of Manila, Makati and Taguig. For Phase 2, the rail line will run from Alabang to the province of Calamba, Laguna.

^^ Good News, the Philippine National Railways website is working now. But the contents are a little not updated. Check this out at www.pnr.gov.ph :banana:


Yeah was started again last year after spending a fair bit of time advertising some timber company (strange but true).
Since last year there hasn't been one addition, although they haven't stolen any of my shots for this one.
Wish they would update, or at the very least reply.

Brad

You know why the trains are crowded? Because they know the trains will take them somewhere without fear of being attack by a squatter.

Were squatter attacks in Manila really a common train occurance?
Beside rock throwing (common even here in Sydney) and hurling of water, rubbish and poopies, I haven't actually heard many stories of physical attacks?

Anyone?

Brad

so.. will south rail will have the same rail gauge as north rail? I mean the same type of rails?

amp, wla kmi telephone and dsl bcoz the mgnanakaw of telephone wire just busted off the whole area here in binondo,:bash: :bash: :bash:

so.. will south rail will have the same rail gauge as north rail? I mean the same type of rails?

^^ Absolutely the same gauge. 50kg/m same as the one in LRT but the distance between rails will be 1067mm compared to 1445mm to LRT..:banana:

so.. will south rail will have the same rail gauge as north rail? I mean the same type of rails?


^^ Pau, look for the Posted Indonesian Railway Photos, exaclty our railroad would look like this. The actual rail will be bigger and more sturdy...:)

amp, wla kmi telephone and dsl bcoz the mgnanakaw of telephone wire just busted off the whole area here in binondo,:bash: :bash: :bash:

^^ ha ha ha!!! Konting tiis na lang Nathan, sandali lang yan... :banana:

^^ Close this MANILA, Philippines--THE DEPARTMENT of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) is embarking on a project to interconnect the North and South rail lines by 2010.

In line with this target, Transport Secretary Leandro R. Mendoza has directed Philippine National Railways (PNR) general manager Jose Ma. Sarsola II and North Luzon Railway Corporation (NLRC) president Arsenio M. Bartolome, to conduct a study for the seamless operation and inter-operability of the North and South rail lines.

Mendoza said in a statement over the weekend that the establishment of seamless operation and inter-operability of the North and South rail systems will provide a fast, convenient and reliable transportation service, connecting the northern provinces of Luzon to the southern regions.

He expressed hope that the rail connection would spur trade in North and South Luzon, and provide more job opportunities, increase the income of producers, and stimulate social development opportunities in areas traversed by the rail systems.

He instructed PNR and NLRC to make sure that, once Phase 1 of the Northrail and Southrail projects are completed, seamless operation of the rail line will take place.

The Northrail-Southrail Linkage Phase 1 will traverse the cities of Caloocan and Muntinlupa, passing through the cities of Manila, Makati and Taguig. For Phase 2, the rail line will run from Alabang to the province of Calamba, Laguna.

^^ Wow! Nice info.. This will definitely pave the way for my ambition to reach Clark from Bicol without transferring to other means of transportation... :banana: :banana:

^^ Good night guys... See you tommorrow!!!:) :) :)

^^ psssttttt!!!

^^

^^ Wow! Nice info.. This will definitely pave the way for my ambition to reach Clark from Bicol without transferring to other means of transportation... :banana: :banana:

To biggest question is owner of trackage/equipment and the interchangability.
Its all OK for the government to start asking for easy travel between the operators, but in reality it may be a little harder to achieve. From talks I had with them, I don't think the PNR will be to open to the idea of Northrail on their trackage.
This all assumes that the safeworking/electrical systems are compatable anyway.

Brad

^^ psssttttt!!!

Sounds like a Jeepney with a leaking tyre :lol:

To biggest question is owner of trackage/equipment and the interchangability.
Its all OK for the government to start asking for easy travel between the operators, but in reality it may be a little harder to achieve. From talks I had with them, I don't think the PNR will be to open to the idea of Northrail on their trackage.
This all assumes that the safeworking/electrical systems are compatable anyway.

Brad

^^ Definitely a correct analysis. In Thailand, seamless ride in SRT is achieve since only one company owns their railway system. Malaysia too and Indonesia. In the case of the Philippines, we have two different operators will come. I think the best way for this is an agreement between the two in which only trains that will serve the seamless ride will put in place. I mean, PNR will be renting the line of the Northrail. Failure to provide seamless train ride will be uncomfortable to all passengers. Remember, Clark International Airport and Subic Freeport by the time the Northrail becomes operational will be the center of all RPs logistic needs be it commercial and industrial.

Sounds like a Jeepney with a leaking tyre :lol:

^^ ha ha ha... and maybe also a sound of a very old PNR Train.. he he he...:)

To biggest question is owner of trackage/equipment and the interchangability.
Its all OK for the government to start asking for easy travel between the operators, but in reality it may be a little harder to achieve. From talks I had with them, I don't think the PNR will be to open to the idea of Northrail on their trackage.
This all assumes that the safeworking/electrical systems are compatable anyway.

Brad

^^ So in other words, Eureka... I already found the answer, Northrail Ph1 in which orginally from Caloocan only will now be from Tutuban to Clark. Likewise the Southrail starts also from Caloocan and Tutubanto Bicol and Sorsogon. What matter is that if PNR doesnt want to be open to Northrail Corp. to any line sharing, then I see a 4 track railroad from Caloocan to Tutuban. This is the most important reason why our government is doing its best to repossed and free all of its Right of Way from any obstruction to maximize its usage..

how are you guys doing? :)
if PNR will start from tutuban. how will they maximize connection of PNR to LRT Line 2 (Megatren) in Recto? Do you think the government will try to connect these two?

Will they also try to extend PNR upto the Port Area since it's just a few kilometers away from Tutuban?

Hi folks. Good job on this, one of the most informative threads in these forums.

As I am a mass transit enthusiast, I'm always pleased to hear about these new workings on the rails. But I have a newbie question (I spent the past several hours catching up to all the posts on this thread and whoo! You guys are great.).

So as I understand it, heavy rail in the Luzon right now is the sole property of PNR. Northrail is heavy rail, done in cooperation with a Chinese company (the legality of this partnership is still in question) and is a wholly separate and semi-private entity from PNR? Southrail on the other hand is what we are calling PNR's southern Luzon operations?

So trackage from Tutuban going south belongs to PNR, while trackage from Tutuban going north belongs to Northrail? Who is leasing time from who and for which portions then? Or is Northrail operating under license from PNR, so PNR owns the ROW, but Northrail is operating the line?

Is this something similar to what we have going on in the California rail system where trackage belongs to Union Pacific (for freight) and Amtrak and CalTrain both lease time on the tracks? Like in the US east coast rail system, where at least on the Northeast Corridor line from Boston through New York to Washington DC, Amtrak owns the tracks, and all the smaller regional rail companies lease time from Amtrak?

Hi folks. Good job on this, one of the most informative threads in these forums.

As I am a mass transit enthusiast, I'm always pleased to hear about these new workings on the rails. But I have a newbie question (I spent the past several hours catching up to all the posts on this thread and whoo! You guys are great.).

So as I understand it, heavy rail in the Luzon right now is the sole property of PNR. Northrail is heavy rail, done in cooperation with a Chinese company (the legality of this partnership is still in question) and is a wholly separate and semi-private entity from PNR? Southrail on the other hand is what we are calling PNR's southern Luzon operations?

So trackage from Tutuban going south belongs to PNR, while trackage from Tutuban going north belongs to Northrail? Who is leasing time from who and for which portions then? Or is Northrail operating under license from PNR, so PNR owns the ROW, but Northrail is operating the line?

Is this something similar to what we have going on in the California rail system where trackage belongs to Union Pacific (for freight) and Amtrak and CalTrain both lease time on the tracks? Like in the US east coast rail system, where at least on the Northeast Corridor line from Boston through New York to Washington DC, Amtrak owns the tracks, and all the smaller regional rail companies lease time from Amtrak?


^^ Yup, Northrail is the first private investor of PNR and their line once operational will only be exclusive for their use only. Originally planned was Northrail will originate only from Caloocan. They also see more revenues if they will extend their operations up to Tutuban in Manila. Finally, Northrail will be from Tutuban Central Station to Clark and Northwards while Southrail will take their original route which is from Caloocan Station Southwards.

It's not a BOT project so as far as i know it's PNR which will own and operate this unless they bid this out the management which I've not heard off. This goes for South rail as well. It's a "gov't to gov't" transaction that's why there was no bidding for the line right! The debt will basically be GOP and will show up in National Accounts.

Pilipinas, Game Ka Na Ba? :D

Well, I'm back.. kinda.. hehe I made a scouting(sort of) and I was able to somewhat tour some places in Calamba. I'm figuring out where in Calamba is its station and how will I get there.

Anyway, here is some of the railway crossings in Calamba.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4163/calambarailwaycrossingqp4.jpg

The Real Crossing is near the Majestic city hall of Calamba. The contractors won't any have problems in taking down the buildings around the rail line since there are only few of them. On the other hand, the Parian crossing is somewhat teeming with buildings/structure. The picture of it looks pretty good but it is not. :D

Pilipinas, Game Ka Na Ba? :D

Well, I'm back.. kinda.. hehe I made a scouting(sort of) and I was able to somewhat tour some places in Calamba. I'm figuring out where in Calamba is its station and how will I get there.

Anyway, here is some of the railway crossings in Calamba.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4163/calambarailwaycrossingqp4.jpg

The Real Crossing is near the Majestic city hall of Calamba. The contractors won't any have problems in taking down the buildings around the rail line since there are only few of them. On the other hand, the Parian crossing is somewhat teeming with buildings/structure. The picture of it looks pretty good but it is not. :D

^^ Wow!! Nice update el, thanks a lot... hmmm Nice Job! So its not that too bad the squatters out there in Calamba. Hopefully they could demolish it easily. Well anyway, at least we have a current update of whats going out there in Calamba.. Many thanks el_dasik... Hope I could update you always about the relocation. Im waiting for the latest update of relocation from my friend. Hopefully he could give that info this mid October.. Keep on working guys...:) :) :banana:

San ba yung relocation site? hehe senya na tagal ko din nawala sa sirkulasyon :D

San ba yung relocation site? hehe senya na tagal ko din nawala sa sirkulasyon :D

^^ Mag vitamins ka para maganda circulasyon... he he he!!! Ok, for Sta. Mesa, Paco, Pandacan, San Adres in Manila, Makati ang Canlubang all are relocated to Southville, Canlubang, Laguna. For those relocates in Taguig, Paranaque and Sampaloc, they are relocated in Southville, Trece Martirez, Cavite. For Muntinlupa relocates, the newly built mass housing inside the government property near New Bilibid Prison in Muntinlupa. For Binan, San Pedro, Carmona, Santa Rosa are all in Trece Martirez in Cavite.. For Los Banos, Alaminos, San Pablo thru Lucena, local government thru NHA has already provided in city relocation sites for their respectives relocates...

For the Batangas Line, I think only Malvar and Lipa have so far cleared the line because the NHA has given lots 10m along the side of the PNR ROW. They receive the CELA last April, 2007

About the Naga City relocation, the NHA has already conducted the census and ready for implementation. The PNR also might be looking for another alignment because the former depot is too small to hande the Southrail Operation.

^^ For the Caloocan Relocates, they will relocated to Novaliches, Q.C. For the Tayuman, Tondo and Sta. Cruz, undertaking to transfer them to Rodriguez, Rizal or Trece Martirez, Cavite. In between Lucena and Naga City, the numbers are too small too provide a big relocation site so their local government with coordinationo to NHA will provide the lots.

About the Sta. Cruz line, I think its up to the LABART consortium. This company is planning to develop this railway..

From Naga to Legazpi, no move yet as far as NHA is concerned. From Cotmun, Daraga to Matnog, Sorsogon, I think PNR has already bought the land some years ago as plan of MTDP, and no more relocation will take place.

I'm still unclear about the owning and operating of these lines. So Northrail and Southrail are both PNR. It's just that PNR is contracting with a state agency in China for the construction of the lines north of Manila? Is the Chinese company also contracted to operate?


Also for the relocation, are they being relocated to just empty land or is the relocation site full of low-cost government housing?

I'm still unclear about the owning and operating of these lines. So Northrail and Southrail are both PNR. It's just that PNR is contracting with a state agency in China for the construction of the lines north of Manila? Is the Chinese company also contracted to operate?


Also for the relocation, are they being relocated to just empty land or is the relocation site full of low-cost government housing?

^^ Northrail owned by the BCDA thru the North Luzon Railway Authority and uses the PNR North alignment. This is an executive agreement by the Philippines and China and the contractor was CNMEG. The PNR however has no juridisction over the operation of North Rail. The PNR on the other hand wants to rehabilitate its Southern Main Line with a loan granted by Korea and China. Priorities on the list are the rehabilitation of the line from Caloocan to Bicol and Sorsogon and the commuter and container line to Batangas City. Once completed, PNR will privatize all of its completed projects.

The Philippine Government thru PNR cannot anymore guarantee that the new rehabilitated PNR will effectively generate revenue still with the presence of squatters. The proponents of this project promises to fully developed the PNR but with the condition of the total clearing of the line. This means a full absence of slums along it full length of the line. Another big reason why the PNR hasn't been able to come up with a better revenue for the past 30 years because of the weak patronage from the riding public.

There's no other big purpose why they are seriously clearing the whole line to come up with a 30m ROW but to provide us with the best service the PNR can afford.

WoS: ok. thanks sa info.. Sayang sana pala nakaluwas ako kahapon para makapagiscout ng progress sa tren.. at siyempre.. makita yung A380 :D

^^ Definitely a correct analysis. In Thailand, seamless ride in SRT is achieve since only one company owns their railway system. Malaysia too and Indonesia. In the case of the Philippines, we have two different operators will come. I think the best way for this is an agreement between the two in which only trains that will serve the seamless ride will put in place. I mean, PNR will be renting the line of the Northrail. Failure to provide seamless train ride will be uncomfortable to all passengers. Remember, Clark International Airport and Subic Freeport by the time the Northrail becomes operational will be the center of all RPs logistic needs be it commercial and industrial.

The initial problem is the lack of real communication between the two operations. Advanced technology really renders many systems incompatible with each other, unlike the good old days of steam when anything could go anywhere that clearances and track weight allowed.
Through Clark-Calamba services and will we see them? Nope I don't think so, at least not in the early days. Still reliable cross platform connections would go a long way.

Brad

^^ So in other words, Eureka... I already found the answer, Northrail Ph1 in which orginally from Caloocan only will now be from Tutuban to Clark. Likewise the Southrail starts also from Caloocan and Tutubanto Bicol and Sorsogon. What matter is that if PNR doesnt want to be open to Northrail Corp. to any line sharing, then I see a 4 track railroad from Caloocan to Tutuban. This is the most important reason why our government is doing its best to repossed and free all of its Right of Way from any obstruction to maximize its usage..

Interesting, I am curious to see how they will go about access into PNR's Tutuban yard and station.
To have their own lines seperate to PNR lands would mean even more house removal and we know how popular that would be. Perhaps there is some track access agreement afterall.
Some arrangement would likely be put in place where Northrail cannot pickup at Caloocan for Tutuban so as not to take PNR profits on their section.

Brad

It's not a BOT project so as far as i know it's PNR which will own and operate this unless they bid this out the management which I've not heard off. .

No this isn't correct.
Northrail is not owned and operatoed by PNR.
PNR 'may' retain the land ownership (although I have had no proof of this being the case), but they can't excercise any running right on it during the contract period. Otherwise they would not be so angry about the whole thing.

Brad

Pilipinas, Game Ka Na Ba? :D

Well, I'm back.. kinda.. hehe I made a scouting(sort of) and I was able to somewhat tour some places in Calamba. I'm figuring out where in Calamba is its station and how will I get there.

D


Mate,
As you drive through Calmba and take a right hand turn (for us it was to go out to Pagsanjan Falls) you cross the railway line right near the junction of the former one to Batangas.
Walk back towards Manila.
It is a bit overgrown at first, then you come to a section with concret roadway and rather tidy.
Keep walking another few minutes and you will notice a point lever ahead and then the points it controls.
You will be approaching the station.
About a hundred metres back from the crossing where you started was the physical connection to the Batangas line and former main south. However there is little sign of that nowdays.

Brad
** Who just found out the asawa's mum had a mild heart attack today. Waiting for more news.

wala paba sa pampanga area ang demolise nila bro!