yep, you're right. The station is situated between Paco and Vito Cruz. It won't replace Vito Cruz station and compared to Vito Cruz, it is much smaller and simpler. the location is quite strategic since there are a lot of vehicles (particularly jeepneys) passing by San Andres. :)

Interesting.
Great to see some extra stations to add to the passenger traffic. Hopeful of seeing another between Tayuman (if its rebuilt) and Blumentritt.

Is it OK to use the shot on my blogsite with credit to yourself?

Salamat
Brad

Interesting.
Great to see some extra stations to add to the passenger traffic. Hopeful of seeing another between Tayuman (if its rebuilt) and Blumentritt.

Is it OK to use the shot on my blogsite with credit to yourself?

Salamat
Brad

If I would only be an el_dasik, I would say it's ok for all of my photos be used on blogsite...he he he...:cheers:

^^ At least the stations were spaced by 1km each other specially in the Makati section of the line. I hope that in the near future, they would have also a 3rd tracks so that an express train can be allowed to pass. In a line that is too heavy passenger volumes, it is a must that we have an express service. Not all passengers unload and load at a certain station at a certain time.. We hope so...

By inspection we only have 3rd tracks at Sucat, Pasay, and Pandacan Stations.:banana:

^^ At least the stations were spaced by 1km each other specially in the Makati section of the line. I hope that in the near future, they would have also a 3rd tracks so that an express train can be allowed to pass. In a line that is too heavy passenger volumes, it is a must that we have an express service. Not all passengers unload and load at a certain station at a certain time.. We hope so...

By inspection we only have 3rd tracks at Sucat, Pasay, and Pandacan Stations.:banana:

Depending on train frequency during peak hour a third line from, say, Pandacan to Sucat would probably do the trick.
If a all stations was to leave every 20 minutes, you could have an express 1 minute in front of it. By the time it catches up it would have to virtually be at Pandacan. If the express was to stop at Pandacan it could pick up any from the all stations train then shoot off again, past the all stations to arrive in Alabang, not far behind the last all stations.
If this express was to be going to Lucena, it could then pick up the all stations passengers from that earlier train and rack off south.
Take some good timetabling, but would work fine. Similar arrangement on the return trip north.
Saves an extra track over the line at the Pandacan bridge, or clearance worries to the north of this location.

Brad

Just been playing around with the idea of a peak hour timetable, one way ex Tutuban.
All purely htpothetical based on a mixture of expresses and all stations, based on a third track from Padacan to Sucat and 3-4 platforms at Alabang, which itself may be hard to achieve.


3.00 All stations to Alabang
3.19 Bluementritt-Pandacan-Alabang all stations to Calamba
3.20 All stations to Carmona
3.39 Bluementritt-Pandacan-Alabang-Calamba all to Lucena
3.40 All stations to Alabang
3.59 Bluementritt-Pandacan-Alabang all stations to Calamba
4.00 All stations to Carmona
3.19 Bluementritt-Pandacan-Alabang-Calamba all to Lucena
3.20 All stations to Lucena
3.39 Bluementritt-Pandacan-Alabang all stations to Calamba
3.40 All stations to Carmona
3.19 Bluementritt-Pandacan-Alabang-Calamba all to Lucena
4.00 All stations to Lucena

etc
etc

One would really need to have the planned times between stations to come up with a possible timetable, but with a third track just from Pandacan to Sucat (along with well timetabled loops south of Alabang) the above should be easily achievable.
A mixture of express and all station trains to Lucena would certainly be important in peak times, on weekends all stations trains could stop at Alabang with every second going to Carmona. All Calamaba and Lucena trains could operate as expresses as per the above and at a 'slightly' reduced frequency.

It would be fun to get official times between stations and play around with making an official timetable.

Brad

Depending on train frequency during peak hour a third line from, say, Pandacan to Sucat would probably do the trick.
If a all stations was to leave every 20 minutes, you could have an express 1 minute in front of it. By the time it catches up it would have to virtually be at Pandacan. If the express was to stop at Pandacan it could pick up any from the all stations train then shoot off again, past the all stations to arrive in Alabang, not far behind the last all stations.
If this express was to be going to Lucena, it could then pick up the all stations passengers from that earlier train and rack off south.
Take some good timetabling, but would work fine. Similar arrangement on the return trip north.
Saves an extra track over the line at the Pandacan bridge, or clearance worries to the north of this location.

Brad

^^ Joban Line in Japan has this characteristics... Every 10 mins, there is one express train running at 130kph passes by and in every 15 mins an ordinary train that runs at 90kph is leaving each direction... I guess the most easiest way to compute their timetable is through a software that enables these trains to run with virtually limited no. of tracks only.. Most of the non-busy stations of Joban Line has only 3 tracks... 3 tracks are available for pick up and only 2 tracks for use in passing trains... The other tracks would make a slew move if it were to make a pass there.. The running line would always be a straight as possible to maintain the 130kph passing speed...

^^ This is really a big challenge specially if you are in a field of a computer design software industry.. Taking up this challenge would certainly give a big price... he he he....

Note: for stations that has a 3rd track, 2 express trains passing simultaneously while another 2 trains in each direction is currently picking up passengers in this station would certainly a very difficult situation to achieve. We could possible use a third running rail all the way to Lucena to accomodate this difficulties...:)

^^ This is really a big challenge specially if you are in a field of a computer design software industry.. Taking up this challenge would certainly give a big price... he he he....

Note: for stations that has a 3rd track, 2 express trains passing simultaneously while another 2 trains in each direction is currently picking up passengers in this station would certainly a very difficult situation to achieve. We could possible use a third running rail all the way to Lucena to accomodate this difficulties...:)

A bidirectional 3rd rail all the way to at least Calamba would be great, it could be utilised northbound in the morning and southbound in the afternoon.
Utilised either way on weekends, or just for freight services.
It would give amazing flexibility.
Beyond Calamba, where the Batangas line would diverge and passengers, while very frequent, are at a lesser rate, the double track with regular signalling would be fine. Only expresses here would be the Bicol line which in reality would probably only require a train every two hours if a long service of around 7-8 carriages.

Brad

A bidirectional 3rd rail all the way to at least Calamba would be great, it could be utilised northbound in the morning and southbound in the afternoon.
Utilised either way on weekends, or just for freight services.
It would give amazing flexibility.
Beyond Calamba, where the Batangas line would diverge and passengers, while very frequent, are at a lesser rate, the double track with regular signalling would be fine. Only expresses here would be the Bicol line which in reality would probably only require a train every two hours if a long service of around 7-8 carriages.

Brad

^^ If I can still remember, Noli De Castro which heads the relocation of the squatters has said that Southrail certainly needs spaces for at least 4 tracks. Though this wasn't sure now but with a least greater probability to happen from FTI to Southbound to Calamba and from Caloocan To Sta. Mesa. This portion of PNR lines is absolutely cleared of any highways and viaducts columns. But from Sta. Mesa to FTI, surely it is a lot more difficult since there is a lot of flyovers and viducst post presents in this portion..

A bidirectional 3rd rail all the way to at least Calamba would be great, it could be utilised northbound in the morning and southbound in the afternoon.
Utilised either way on weekends, or just for freight services.
It would give amazing flexibility.
Beyond Calamba, where the Batangas line would diverge and passengers, while very frequent, are at a lesser rate, the double track with regular signalling would be fine. Only expresses here would be the Bicol line which in reality would probably only require a train every two hours if a long service of around 7-8 carriages.

Brad

^^ I guess the bidirectional 3rd rail is the solution for this.... Just like what Thailand did for their metro railway formation... :cheers:

^^ If I can still remember, Noli De Castro which heads the relocation of the squatters has said that Southrail certainly needs spaces for at least 4 tracks. Though this wasn't sure now but with a least greater probability to happen from FTI to Southbound to Calamba and from Caloocan To Sta. Mesa. This portion of PNR lines is absolutely cleared of any highways and viaducts columns. But from Sta. Mesa to FTI, surely it is a lot more difficult since there is a lot of flyovers and viducst post presents in this portion..

This would certainly be advisable.
With population growth and fuel prices on the way up you would like to have the flexibility to lay more tracks later.
In reality, we have four tracks to many of our suburbs and don't have a fraction of the population.
Mr De Castro is obviously a visionary. We need more of him.

Brad

^^ I guess the bidirectional 3rd rail is the solution for this.... Just like what Thailand did for their metro railway formation... :cheers:

We make significant use of it here. It will certainly be a good stop gap measure until patronage proves as such that a fourth track is needed.
Then again, if this is proved within a year, the cost of the bidirectional signalling would have been somewhat of a waste :lol:

Brad

We make significant use of it here. It will certainly be a good stop gap measure until patronage proves as such that a fourth track is needed.
Then again, if this is proved within a year, the cost of the bidirectional signalling would have been somewhat of a waste :lol:

Brad


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

We'll I hope Jaime from Laguna Railways will have some additional photos and stuffs again. His photos are so clear the very much configured. Im sad that as of now I couldn't make any updates with you guys as I have promised before. I guess, my next update would be the time when I and my wife will apply a visa for a job... :) Maybe next month, we'll anyway wherever I am by then, I will still get in touch with you. always,

Interesting.
Great to see some extra stations to add to the passenger traffic. Hopeful of seeing another between Tayuman (if its rebuilt) and Blumentritt.

Is it OK to use the shot on my blogsite with credit to yourself?

Salamat
Brad

sure brad. walang problema. :)

Looking at express train service to Lucena: there probably is about 5 to 6 towns and 1 city in between Calamba and Lucena.

I dont know how many stations would be built along this segment as required, but having an express service (which could cover the distance in a little over an hour), would be of great help to the economy of Lucena and Quezon Province.

A 3 or 4 track set-up from Calamba all the way to Lucena would be a dream come true... I just dont know the PNR ROW in this section (especially around the area of Sn. Pablo, Laguna) and if it can support this set-up.

The Lucena Station (which is located in the vicinity of the Capitol), needs to be expanded, and an additional station would be necessary in the area close to the RR crossing at Dalahican Road. This is to ensure that passengers to Visayas can access the ro-ro port of Dalahican.

I don't know if Southrail Ph.1A is pushing through after all the "mess" and if it is appropriate to talk about it at this point, but with the rising cost of fuel, we might not need an expressway to Lucena City in the short term... just finish the Southrail project on time and we will be fine in the next couple of years!

Looking at express train service to Lucena: there probably is about 5 to 6 towns and 1 city in between Calamba and Lucena.

I dont know how many stations would be built along this segment as required, but having an express service (which could cover the distance in a little over an hour), would be of great help to the economy of Lucena and Quezon Province.

A 3 or 4 track set-up from Calamba all the way to Lucena would be a dream come true... I just dont know the PNR ROW in this section (especially around the area of Sn. Pablo, Laguna) and if it can support this set-up.

The Lucena Station (which is located in the vicinity of the Capitol), needs to be expanded, and an additional station would be necessary in the area close to the RR crossing at Dalahican Road. This is to ensure that passengers to Visayas can access the ro-ro port of Dalahican.

I don't know if Southrail Ph.1A is pushing through after all the "mess" and if it is appropriate to talk about it at this point, but with the rising cost of fuel, we might not need an expressway to Lucena City in the short term... just finish the Southrail project on time and we will be fine in the next couple of years!


^^ Yeah!!! Just finish the Southrail... Even if they will stop this, there's nothing more to think than railways... An expressway would not be feasible for a while or even if expressways will be built, like what was said by Lucentino, rising cost of fuel would hit extremeties and limits the travel of the passengers. Instead of commuting, the passengers might look for a hotel, bording house or lodging house just to save money.

There's no more stopping the Southrail. The Filipino people has no choice but to start this project as soon as possible....

^^ We'll sabi ko nga, even if they don't push the whole phase of Southrail for as long as they could reach the line up to Lucena, we'll it's fine to me already... Bicolanos would love this since it's much easier to transfer at Lucena than in Manila.. :)

Group calls for temporary suspension of NorthRail project (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/85241/Group-calls-for-temporary-suspension-of-NorthRail-project)

MANILA, Philippines - Pending the resolution of controversies surrounding the multimillion-dollar North Luzon Railways Corp. (NorthRail), nongovernmental group Freedom from Debt Coalition (FDC) on Monday pushed for its temporary suspension.

On the sidelines of a forum, FDC Vice-President Lidy Nacpil told BusinessWorld, "The very least and prudent thing [for the government] was to suspend it in view of the investigation in the Senate and the hanging questions."

Last week, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas signed a supplemental $90-million facility from London-based Barclays Bank Plc. to finance NorthRail’s phase 1, sections 1 and 2.

Ms. Nacpil said internal investigations conducted by the consumer and advocacy group showed two major issues against NorthRail: overpricing and displacement of settlers.

The FDC is also questioning the technical competence of the project’s contractor, China National Machinery and Equipment Corp.

Ms. Nacpil claimed the $503-million project was overpriced by around $70 million, but the group stopped short of detailing the overpriced amount.

NorthRail as well as its parent, Bases Conversion and Development Authority could not be reached for comment.

No irregularities

Meanwhile, Transportation Undersecretary Guiling A. Mamondiong said there are no irregularities in the supplemental funding.

"If its part of the financing allowing the project to proceed... there’s nothing wrong about it," he said in a telephone interview.

The 80-kilometer (km) railway system runs from Caloocan City, Metro Manila to Clark Field, Pampanga.

The project’s 32-km stretch from Caloocan to Malolos involves construction of train stations in Valenzuela, Marilao, Bocaue, Guiguinto and Malolos.

The remaining stretch will extend to the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Pampanga.

The FDC also claimed the $932.037-million South Luzon Railways project or SouthRail was also overpriced by about the same amount as NorthRail’s.

Again, the group did not disclose the details. The two-phase 558-km SouthRail stretches from Calamba, Laguna to Matnog, Sorsogon.

Ugh, they better not.

overpriced pero hindi naman pinakita kung paano naging overpriced? paano kaya nila nalamang overpriced?

translation: overpriced? but they didn't show why it became overpriced. How did they know that it is overpriced?

^^ That's the thing. They most likely don't. Someone should tell em that.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

We'll I hope Jaime from Laguna Railways will have some additional photos and stuffs again. His photos are so clear the very much configured. Im sad that as of now I couldn't make any updates with you guys as I have promised before. I guess, my next update would be the time when I and my wife will apply a visa for a job... :) Maybe next month, we'll anyway wherever I am by then, I will still get in touch with you. always,

My friends Bill, who appears in one of Jaime's shots, is still over there.
I think he was taking a camera this time so hopefully I can encourage him to share some when he returns.

VISA? Where are you off to? Hopefully down here to Australia. Always after additions to our karaoke nights.

Brad

Looking at express train service to Lucena: there probably is about 5 to 6 towns and 1 city in between Calamba and Lucena.

I dont know how many stations would be built along this segment as required, but having an express service (which could cover the distance in a little over an hour), would be of great help to the economy of Lucena and Quezon Province.

A 3 or 4 track set-up from Calamba all the way to Lucena would be a dream come true... I just dont know the PNR ROW in this section (especially around the area of Sn. Pablo, Laguna) and if it can support this set-up.

I suppose it is really a question of need whether or not four tracks would be viable there.
In reality you could have a train leave Lucena every four minutes (subject to signalling system-perhaps even more frequent) on the one track, not if it was 7-8 cars long you have a good 12+ buses worth in the one go.
One in another 10 minutes would replace another 12+ buses.
This would certainly be more than enough room to accommodate all current traffic in peak hour.
Four tracks to Alabang would certainly be a viable option if the rail replaced all bus services, perhaps even Calamba (if the Batangas and Sta Cruz lines are rebuilt), however even the massive bus traffics out of Lucena would probably not warrant it just yet.
However this again (yep there is a LOT of ifs sadly) this again depends on a massive amount of patronage out of Bicol, freight and passengers. Then if this was to eventuate (population growth would mean it has to one day) then extra tracks to Lucena would become viable.

It is also certainly nice to hope for, but given the cheaper way they are achieving the Linkage project I would not be holding my breath :-(

Brad

Group calls for temporary suspension of NorthRail project (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/85241/Group-calls-for-temporary-suspension-of-NorthRail-project)

MANILA, Philippines - Pending the resolution of controversies surrounding the multimillion-dollar North Luzon Railways Corp. (NorthRail), nongovernmental group Freedom from Debt Coalition (FDC) on Monday pushed for its temporary suspension.


GROAN!

Why oh why can't important projects be left alone??????

This is exactly what is going to kill off Southrail and any plans for branchlines to help feed the main route :ohno:

This would be a sad day if it was to happen.

let's find the email of FDC!

sure brad. walang problema. :)

Salamat mate, they are on there now.
Have credited them to your nickname here, just let me know if you want this changed to another name, or even your real one.

Best wishes
Brad

let's find the email of FDC!

Website: http://www.freedomfromdebtcoalition.org

Strangely enough when you click on the 'Contact Us' link you get:

"Nam ornare sapien non sapien
Nunc sapien odio, condimentum nec, consectetuer nec, porta sed, odio. Nunc tortor augue, tristique posuere, ultricies sed, ultrices at, dui. Nunc urna augue, interdum id, eleifend nec, ullamcorper eget, tellus. Pellentesque cursus, libero eget malesuada cursus, magna risus pharetra felis, vitae vestibulum massa urna id turpis. Pellentesque eros augue, luctus vitae, porttitor in, varius et, erat."

etc etc

With the exception of 'eget' it really dosen't look like Tagalog to me. Of course you guys are the experts and can advise.
Same comes up for:
*How you can help.
*How to join.
*Job opportunities.

So I can't see any easy way to contact them.

Brad

Website: http://www.freedomfromdebtcoalition.org

Strangely enough when you click on the 'Contact Us' link you get:

"Nam ornare sapien non sapien
Nunc sapien odio, condimentum nec, consectetuer nec, porta sed, odio. Nunc tortor augue, tristique posuere, ultricies sed, ultrices at, dui. Nunc urna augue, interdum id, eleifend nec, ullamcorper eget, tellus. Pellentesque cursus, libero eget malesuada cursus, magna risus pharetra felis, vitae vestibulum massa urna id turpis. Pellentesque eros augue, luctus vitae, porttitor in, varius et, erat."

etc etc

With the exception of 'eget' it really dosen't look like Tagalog to me. Of course you guys are the experts and can advise.
Same comes up for:
*How you can help.
*How to join.
*Job opportunities.

So I can't see any easy way to contact them.

Bradcertainly not Filipino. I think it is Latin

OK, at the bottom of their new site they have a link to an old one.

There are details there which may still be current.

Freedom from Debt Coalition
11 Matimpiin St., Central District
Quezon City, Philippines 1100
Telefax: (63 2) 924-6399
Email: mail@freedomfromdebtcoaliton.org

There are chapters for some of the other major islands like Panay, Cebu, Leyte and Mindanao.

Let us know if you get any response.

Brad

certainly not Filipino. I think it is Latin

Thanks mate, I thought I could recognise Tagalog when I saw it.
Was a bit worried I didn't know as much as I thought I did :lol:

Website: http://www.freedomfromdebtcoalition.org

Strangely enough when you click on the 'Contact Us' link you get:

"Nam ornare sapien non sapien
Nunc sapien odio, condimentum nec, consectetuer nec, porta sed, odio. Nunc tortor augue, tristique posuere, ultricies sed, ultrices at, dui. Nunc urna augue, interdum id, eleifend nec, ullamcorper eget, tellus. Pellentesque cursus, libero eget malesuada cursus, magna risus pharetra felis, vitae vestibulum massa urna id turpis. Pellentesque eros augue, luctus vitae, porttitor in, varius et, erat."

etc etc

With the exception of 'eget' it really dosen't look like Tagalog to me. Of course you guys are the experts and can advise.
Same comes up for:
*How you can help.
*How to join.
*Job opportunities.

So I can't see any easy way to contact them.

Brad

I see that their site is still a W.I.P. (Work in Progress). AFAIK, that phrase is being used as a temporary text in a webpage. Well, it shows how these people act.. Kulang-Kulang. :lol:

What's up with these people? They've been saying "overpriced, overpriced" but they can't show evidences that these projects are indeed overpriced?! Talk about Crab Mentality.:bash:

Looking at express train service to Lucena: there probably is about 5 to 6 towns and 1 city in between Calamba and Lucena.

I dont know how many stations would be built along this segment as required, but having an express service (which could cover the distance in a little over an hour), would be of great help to the economy of Lucena and Quezon Province.

A 3 or 4 track set-up from Calamba all the way to Lucena would be a dream come true... I just dont know the PNR ROW in this section (especially around the area of Sn. Pablo, Laguna) and if it can support this set-up.

The Lucena Station (which is located in the vicinity of the Capitol), needs to be expanded, and an additional station would be necessary in the area close to the RR crossing at Dalahican Road. This is to ensure that passengers to Visayas can access the ro-ro port of Dalahican.

I don't know if Southrail Ph.1A is pushing through after all the "mess" and if it is appropriate to talk about it at this point, but with the rising cost of fuel, we might not need an expressway to Lucena City in the short term... just finish the Southrail project on time and we will be fine in the next couple of years!

Though 3 or 4 track setup is really a dream, I don't think San Pablo can support this (but 3 track setup could be achieved). Mukhang maliit lang kasi ang ROW ng PNR sa amin eh. :)

haaaay.. If this project pushes through, I hope they will restore San Pablo Station to its former glory. I dream that with the help of our local government, they would transform that area into a transportation hub or something..

I see that their site is still a W.I.P. (Work in Progress). AFAIK, that phrase is being used as a temporary text in a webpage. Well, it shows how these people act.. Kulang-Kulang. :lol:

What's up with these people? They've been saying "overpriced, overpriced" but they can't show evidences that these projects are indeed overpriced?! Talk about Crab Mentality.:bash:

I suppose you could accuse any project of anything if you don't have proof to back it up.
I heard a rumour that the 'Mall of Asia' was overpriced and they built it out of matchsticks and wood glue. ENQUIRY ENQUIRY ENQUIRY!!!!!!!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

haaaay.. If this project pushes through, I hope they will restore San Pablo Station to its former glory. I dream that with the help of our local government, they would transform that area into a transportation hub or something..

This is what I hope for many stations.
While I don't think I have seen an 'all over' shot of the San Pablo station building yet, I know there are many classic designs (Lucena/Legaspi/Paco) that are very worthy of restoration and preservation.
It would be sad to rip down these fascinating looking structures in the name of modernity. They have much more class.
I would love to see some shots of the San Pablo station building itself.

Brad

I heard FDC will be the first one's to try the train when it starts to operate....just kiddin':lol::lol::lol::lol:

Group calls for temporary suspension of NorthRail project (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/85241/Group-calls-for-temporary-suspension-of-NorthRail-project)

MANILA, Philippines - Pending the resolution of controversies surrounding the multimillion-dollar North Luzon Railways Corp. (NorthRail), nongovernmental group Freedom from Debt Coalition (FDC) on Monday pushed for its temporary suspension.

On the sidelines of a forum, FDC Vice-President Lidy Nacpil told BusinessWorld, "The very least and prudent thing [for the government] was to suspend it in view of the investigation in the Senate and the hanging questions."

Last week, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas signed a supplemental $90-million facility from London-based Barclays Bank Plc. to finance NorthRail’s phase 1, sections 1 and 2.

Ms. Nacpil said internal investigations conducted by the consumer and advocacy group showed two major issues against NorthRail: overpricing and displacement of settlers.

The FDC is also questioning the technical competence of the project’s contractor, China National Machinery and Equipment Corp.

Ms. Nacpil claimed the $503-million project was overpriced by around $70 million, but the group stopped short of detailing the overpriced amount.

NorthRail as well as its parent, Bases Conversion and Development Authority could not be reached for comment.

No irregularities

Meanwhile, Transportation Undersecretary Guiling A. Mamondiong said there are no irregularities in the supplemental funding.

"If its part of the financing allowing the project to proceed... there’s nothing wrong about it," he said in a telephone interview.

The 80-kilometer (km) railway system runs from Caloocan City, Metro Manila to Clark Field, Pampanga.

The project’s 32-km stretch from Caloocan to Malolos involves construction of train stations in Valenzuela, Marilao, Bocaue, Guiguinto and Malolos.

The remaining stretch will extend to the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Pampanga.

The FDC also claimed the $932.037-million South Luzon Railways project or SouthRail was also overpriced by about the same amount as NorthRail’s.

Again, the group did not disclose the details. The two-phase 558-km SouthRail stretches from Calamba, Laguna to Matnog, Sorsogon.


^^ FDC are like Lozada whos playing politics now....:ohno::ohno:

My friends Bill, who appears in one of Jaime's shots, is still over there.
I think he was taking a camera this time so hopefully I can encourage him to share some when he returns.

VISA? Where are you off to? Hopefully down here to Australia. Always after additions to our karaoke nights.

Brad


^^ he he he... only three months visa to Japan and this time with my wife. I hope we could get there while in pregnancy. Chances we could go there after pregnancy would be hard for us.... Hopefully, Sydney soon... he he he....:cheers:

Though 3 or 4 track setup is really a dream, I don't think San Pablo can support this (but 3 track setup could be achieved). Mukhang maliit lang kasi ang ROW ng PNR sa amin eh. :)

haaaay.. If this project pushes through, I hope they will restore San Pablo Station to its former glory. I dream that with the help of our local government, they would transform that area into a transportation hub or something..


I don't think so.... Everything will be new from Calamba down South and what was left today would just be a history then. I wish it also to be retained it's original design.

My friends Bill, who appears in one of Jaime's shots, is still over there.
I think he was taking a camera this time so hopefully I can encourage him to share some when he returns.

VISA? Where are you off to? Hopefully down here to Australia. Always after additions to our karaoke nights.

Brad

Hi all,

There is a scheduled to trip this coming Saturday down south to document Hondagua. We will send details and report asap.

As for Paco, they are rushing the renovation in time for the 100th anniversary of the Manila Belt Line on March 25, 2008.

Cheers

Jaime

^^ he he he... only three months visa to Japan and this time with my wife. I hope we could get there while in pregnancy. Chances we could go there after pregnancy would be hard for us.... Hopefully, Sydney soon... he he he....:cheers:

ohayo gozaimas! genki deska? :lol:

I believe the PNR compound in Lucena is quite wide and that the old station can be preserved (just like what they have done to it the past few years after the storms).

I am not a big fan of old structures (such as the Lucena station) --- I hope they'd preserve it so as not to make it an eyesore --- preservation of old structures, just like cars, cost "some" money you know...

What I am looking forward to, in case this Southrail project Ph.1A really push through, is how the new station would look like... a modern and cozy station would not only benefit passengers, but will surely attaract people from remote areas of Lucena and nearby towns (most of you would know how it works :lol:)... something like the Malolos station design seems appealing.

A 4 track set-up from Calamba to Lucena would be nice... this could be a provision for bullet trains in the future... talk about big dreams! :)

I don't think so.... Everything will be new from Calamba down South and what was left today would just be a history then. I wish it also to be retained it's original design.

If that's the case then move it to another place. IMHO, The current location of the station is not a really an ideal place.. Parang hindi masyado puntahan ng tao. :D

Hi all,

There is a scheduled to trip this coming Saturday down south to document Hondagua. We will send details and report asap.

As for Paco, they are rushing the renovation in time for the 100th anniversary of the Manila Belt Line on March 25, 2008.

Cheers

Jaime

Hondagua???

ohayo gozaimas! genki deska? :lol:

I believe the PNR compound in Lucena is quite wide and that the old station can be preserved (just like what they have done to it the past few years after the storms).

I am not a big fan of old structures (such as the Lucena station) --- I hope they'd preserve it so as not to make it an eyesore --- preservation of old structures, just like cars, cost "some" money you know...

What I am looking forward to, in case this Southrail project Ph.1A really push through, is how the new station would look like... a modern and cozy station would not only benefit passengers, but will surely attaract people from remote areas of Lucena and nearby towns (most of you would know how it works :lol:)... something like the Malolos station design seems appealing.

A 4 track set-up from Calamba to Lucena would be nice... this could be a provision for bullet trains in the future... talk about big dreams! :)

"""O Genki Desu Ka... Arigato gozaimashta... O kono densha wa dami desu yo..."""


Korek, a provision for another railway (bullet train). No more buying and relocation by that time the Bullet Train will be built...

Hi all,

There is a scheduled to trip this coming Saturday down south to document Hondagua. We will send details and report asap.

As for Paco, they are rushing the renovation in time for the 100th anniversary of the Manila Belt Line on March 25, 2008.

Cheers

Jaime


Wow!!! Hi Jaime.. the best railway personnel at this moment. Thanks a lot for your photos and Im very sorry I'd actually use your other photographs but only to post here in this thread.. Thank you so much for your wonderful work of art and the blogsite... :):)

Hi all,

There is a scheduled to trip this coming Saturday down south to document Hondagua. We will send details and report asap.

As for Paco, they are rushing the renovation in time for the 100th anniversary of the Manila Belt Line on March 25, 2008.

Cheers

Jaime


^^ Opps , oh my this is historical... We'd better help each other for this one. Nice documentation indeed.. Wow!!! :cheers:

Still have much time for renovation. Those pictures are truly evidence that they'd completely cleaned up that area. No more mess...

Hondagua???


Hondagua, PNR Station Im sure....

Hi all,

There is a scheduled to trip this coming Saturday down south to document Hondagua. We will send details and report asap.

As for Paco, they are rushing the renovation in time for the 100th anniversary of the Manila Belt Line on March 25, 2008.

Cheers

Jaime

I wonder if they will still lift those tracks that they had just fixed along Paco Line. From what we see in the pictures it appears that all of the tracks works are being done manually only. Has there been any news about the machine that will be possibly for use in the rehabilitation?:)

Parang gusto ko pumunta ng Paco ah.. :D

eto email sa ken ng FDC...

Hi Patrick!

Thank you for taking some time off to email us about the NorthRail Modernization Project. I believe you are quoting our organization based on a Business World news item wherein we were reportedly calling for the suspension of the said project because it is "overpriced."

The truth of the matter, we are calling for the suspension of the payments of the said project together with other loan agreements challenged as fraudulent and tainted with anomaly not only because they were reportedly overpriced but more importantly, we are calling for their suspension if not their cancellation and/or repudiation based on their illegitimacy.

We in FDC together with other allied social movements define illegitimate deals as loans, debts and/or “obligations” that involve any or a combination of the following:

* Fraud and deception;
* Lack of compliance with democratic processes or legal requirements;
* Grossly disadvantageous terms and/or onerous and harmful conditions;
* Financing of failed projects, or projects with damaging effects on people, on the environment, or on the
economy;
* Purchasing overpriced, unnecessary goods or services;
* Support of policies that result in the violation of human rights;
* Debt accumulation due to unjust economic relations;
* Aggressive and unscrupulous pushing by lenders to promote their vested;
* interests at the expense of the borrowers or the people who will pay the debts; and,
* Transactions by illegitimate regimes.

We believe the majority of the public debts we are paying for are illegitimate.

For this reason, FDC is calling on our National Government to repudiate these unacceptable and burdensome debts which have incarcerated generations of Filipinos to a life of forced indebtedness. We are also demanding creditors and lending governments especially from the North to unconditionally cancel the debt of the Philippines and all south countries.

This recent, in the deliberation of the 2008 National Government Budget, Congress and Senate agreed with FDC to suspend interest payments to loan agreements challenged as tainted with fraud totaling P 5 billion. Unfortunately, kahit sa dami ng pagpapatunay na ebidensiya, Mrs. Arroyo vetoed the said provision consequently once again putting the burden of paying these illegitimate debts to the Filipino people.

This leads us back to the discussion on the NorthRail Project. We believe the project at the very least should be suspended pending investigation at kung kakayanin ay total cancellation. And what are the facts, figures that will back this demand? Here are the following:

1. The project was approved despite the lack of competitive bidding
2. There are fundamental legal infirmities in the Buyer Credit Loan Agreement (BCLA)
3. The project displaced thousands of urban poor families without proper and humane relocation
4. The interest loan of 3% a year of the said loan project is higher than the rate on other loan packages that our country could have availed.
5. The total cost of $ 503 million for a 32.2 kilometer length of rail line meant that the average cost of the project is nearly $ 1 million per kilometer! This is exclusive of the costs for clearing, relocation and resettlement of informal dwellers within the railroad area.

Attached is the study of the UP College of Law on the questionable legality of the said project violating our laws much more the Philippine Constitution. Dito pa lang, these are enough grounds to call for its suspension if not all-out cancellation. Walang duda na anomalyado, ilehitimo at palyado.

Ibang usapin pa ang "overpricing." I believe it was Mr. Rodolfo Lozada who said the project was overpriced. As far as I know, FDC is calling for its suspension because we believe it is riddled with so many controversial issues that in the final analysis the said project can be deemed illegitimate overpriced man o hindi.

So, there is no reason why the Arroyo Government will not suspend this project pending a thorough investigation of the matter. Kung walang dapat itago ay bakit patuloy na ikinukubli sa madla ang mga detalye ng mga kasunduan?

Last month, Mrs. Arroyo suspended payments to 11 ODA projects because different accountability groups labeled them as projects tainted with anomaly. If she can do it to those loans, what makes this one special? Is it because its a Chinese loan? Is it because this Government is more and more beholden now to the Chinese Government than to any foreign Government?

Dito na muna. Maraming salamat muli sa e-mail mo Patrrick. We can send more data, information in the future.

Have a beautiful holy week.



Emman M. Hizon
FDC Debt and Public Finance Campaigner



:)

^^ he he he... only three months visa to Japan and this time with my wife. I hope we could get there while in pregnancy. Chances we could go there after pregnancy would be hard for us.... Hopefully, Sydney soon... he he he....:cheers:

Mate, your always welcome down here.

Japan would be awesome, plenty of trains for you to photograph while there.

Brad

Hi all,



Quote:
Originally Posted by el_dasik_oo1 View Post
Hondagua???

Hondagua, PNR Station Im sure....

It is indeed a PNR station, it is also a track maintenence base and location of, what could be, the last observation car in the Philippines.
This location and car was on my blog about a month or so back.

Cheers
Brad

Hi all,

There is a scheduled to trip this coming Saturday down south to document Hondagua. We will send details and report asap.

As for Paco, they are rushing the renovation in time for the 100th anniversary of the Manila Belt Line on March 25, 2008.

Cheers

Jaime

Jaime,
I presume this is just the renovation of the Paco area?
Is this why they seem to be doing it on the cheap at the moment and will the rest be done right after the celebration?
Look forward to some Hondagua shots when you guys get back.
I have a tentative plan for the next trip that would see the brother-in-law drive us to Legaspi stopping at all major railway stops for photographic coverage. Would really like to have a full line survey prior to the rebuild.

Cheers
Brad

eto email sa ken ng FDC...

Hi Patrick!

Thank you for taking some time off to email us about the NorthRail Modernization Project. I believe you are quoting our organization based on a Business World news item wherein we were reportedly calling for the suspension of the said project because it is "overpriced."

Wow, thanks for sharing the reply.
I honestly doubted there would be one forthcoming.

Brad

^^ Opps , oh my this is historical... We'd better help each other for this one. Nice documentation indeed.. Wow!!! :cheers:

Still have much time for renovation. Those pictures are truly evidence that they'd completely cleaned up that area. No more mess...

Not that much time, I think its the 19th today giving them all of 6 more days to renovate.

As for you posting two after this. I also hope they plan to fix it better after these celebrations otherwise I fear it will be called the "Weak-Link Project" done to link Northrail and Southrail :(

Brad

So.. What do you think guys? I mean about FDC's reply to pj?

Questionable yung fifth reason ng FDC regarding their call for cancellation of Northrail..

So.. What do you think guys? I mean about FDC's reply to pj?

Questionable yung fifth reason ng FDC regarding their call for cancellation of Northrail..


They are lifting the tracks at Paco using two jacks. All of the rebuilt is being done manually. Most of the tracts near paco have a date on it, 1967.

Aside from the Hondagua station and observation car visit, the group will visit the old MRR port at Hondagua. The group was also invited to attend a philippine railways history presentation for the Congress sub committee on railways. Date yet to be announced.

Jaime

They are lifting the tracks at Paco using two jacks. All of the rebuilt is being done manually. Most of the tracts near paco have a date on it, 1967.

Aside from the Hondagua station and observation car visit, the group will visit the old MRR port at Hondagua. The group was also invited to attend a philippine railways history presentation for the Congress sub committee on railways. Date yet to be announced.

Jaime


Hi Jaime...

How are you. It's nice to know that they are lifting the tracks with those two jacks. Does it means that all those line will be done manually only. How about the replacement from 32kg/m rail to 50kg/m one, are they going to push this.

We'll at least they'd be able to sink those new ballast. Those old ones have been there already for a long time.

Best Wishes

Thom

eto email sa ken ng FDC...

Hi Patrick!

Thank you for taking some time off to email us about the NorthRail Modernization Project. I believe you are quoting our organization based on a Business World news item wherein we were reportedly calling for the suspension of the said project because it is "overpriced."

The truth of the matter, we are calling for the suspension of the payments of the said project together with other loan agreements challenged as fraudulent and tainted with anomaly not only because they were reportedly overpriced but more importantly, we are calling for their suspension if not their cancellation and/or repudiation based on their illegitimacy.

We in FDC together with other allied social movements define illegitimate deals as loans, debts and/or “obligations” that involve any or a combination of the following:

* Fraud and deception;
* Lack of compliance with democratic processes or legal requirements;
* Grossly disadvantageous terms and/or onerous and harmful conditions;
* Financing of failed projects, or projects with damaging effects on people, on the environment, or on the
economy;
* Purchasing overpriced, unnecessary goods or services;
* Support of policies that result in the violation of human rights;
* Debt accumulation due to unjust economic relations;
* Aggressive and unscrupulous pushing by lenders to promote their vested;
* interests at the expense of the borrowers or the people who will pay the debts; and,
* Transactions by illegitimate regimes.

We believe the majority of the public debts we are paying for are illegitimate.

For this reason, FDC is calling on our National Government to repudiate these unacceptable and burdensome debts which have incarcerated generations of Filipinos to a life of forced indebtedness. We are also demanding creditors and lending governments especially from the North to unconditionally cancel the debt of the Philippines and all south countries.

This recent, in the deliberation of the 2008 National Government Budget, Congress and Senate agreed with FDC to suspend interest payments to loan agreements challenged as tainted with fraud totaling P 5 billion. Unfortunately, kahit sa dami ng pagpapatunay na ebidensiya, Mrs. Arroyo vetoed the said provision consequently once again putting the burden of paying these illegitimate debts to the Filipino people.

This leads us back to the discussion on the NorthRail Project. We believe the project at the very least should be suspended pending investigation at kung kakayanin ay total cancellation. And what are the facts, figures that will back this demand? Here are the following:

1. The project was approved despite the lack of competitive bidding
2. There are fundamental legal infirmities in the Buyer Credit Loan Agreement (BCLA)
3. The project displaced thousands of urban poor families without proper and humane relocation
4. The interest loan of 3% a year of the said loan project is higher than the rate on other loan packages that our country could have availed.
5. The total cost of $ 503 million for a 32.2 kilometer length of rail line meant that the average cost of the project is nearly $ 1 million per kilometer! This is exclusive of the costs for clearing, relocation and resettlement of informal dwellers within the railroad area.

Attached is the study of the UP College of Law on the questionable legality of the said project violating our laws much more the Philippine Constitution. Dito pa lang, these are enough grounds to call for its suspension if not all-out cancellation. Walang duda na anomalyado, ilehitimo at palyado.

Ibang usapin pa ang "overpricing." I believe it was Mr. Rodolfo Lozada who said the project was overpriced. As far as I know, FDC is calling for its suspension because we believe it is riddled with so many controversial issues that in the final analysis the said project can be deemed illegitimate overpriced man o hindi.

So, there is no reason why the Arroyo Government will not suspend this project pending a thorough investigation of the matter. Kung walang dapat itago ay bakit patuloy na ikinukubli sa madla ang mga detalye ng mga kasunduan?

Last month, Mrs. Arroyo suspended payments to 11 ODA projects because different accountability groups labeled them as projects tainted with anomaly. If she can do it to those loans, what makes this one special? Is it because its a Chinese loan? Is it because this Government is more and more beholden now to the Chinese Government than to any foreign Government?

Dito na muna. Maraming salamat muli sa e-mail mo Patrrick. We can send more data, information in the future.

Have a beautiful holy week.



Emman M. Hizon
FDC Debt and Public Finance Campaigner




:)

^^ Thanks for this letter but definitely this won't help thousands of passengers. Those who conducted the study were not engineers, they're lawyers. :ohno::ohno::ohno:

So.. What do you think guys? I mean about FDC's reply to pj?

Questionable yung fifth reason ng FDC regarding their call for cancellation of Northrail..

^^ You're definitely right about it el..

Parang gusto ko pumunta ng Paco ah.. :D


^^ He he he, ako nga rin eh. Kaya you ilebre me pamasahe, P1800 lang from Bicol just to get there...:lol::lol::lol:

Mate, your always welcome down here.

Japan would be awesome, plenty of trains for you to photograph while there.

Brad


^^ I hope so, Australia is a peaceful and loving nation for me. If we can get a visa, I could post here a lot of pictures of narrow gauge railways in Japan. It makes sense because still a lot of us specially who is new to this thread doesn't have any idea of how fast trains operating in narrow gauge railways. What they have is the idea that trains can only runs fast in standard railway gauge.

^^ actually they also sent me the copy of the UP study about the northrail project, didn't have time to read it but to those who want to see it can PM me anytime, it's more than 18 pages one of which containing a table comparing costs of different railway projects we had, e.g. LRT, MRT, etc.. they also said something about the chinese contractor etc..

anyway, should we reply to them??

Meron kabang soft copy na pwedi mong maupload?

^^PDF file po eh..:D

^upload mo kahit PDF file. So we could breakdown whatever they said. :D

They are lifting the tracks at Paco using two jacks. All of the rebuilt is being done manually. Most of the tracts near paco have a date on it, 1967.

Aside from the Hondagua station and observation car visit, the group will visit the old MRR port at Hondagua. The group was also invited to attend a philippine railways history presentation for the Congress sub committee on railways. Date yet to be announced.

Jaime


Hi Jaime..

Just curious but where is this Hondagua Station? Thanks. :D

Hi Jaime..

Just curious but where is this Hondagua Station? Thanks. :D

^^ Just before you reach Lucena Station...:)

^^ actually they also sent me the copy of the UP study about the northrail project, didn't have time to read it but to those who want to see it can PM me anytime, it's more than 18 pages one of which containing a table comparing costs of different railway projects we had, e.g. LRT, MRT, etc.. they also said something about the chinese contractor etc..

anyway, should we reply to them??


Thanks pi... Wow!!! wonderful photos of your bus logos... Nice!!! I've seen it all at flickr pi.

We'll, I don't think of replying them. They are forever against the project. Heavy railways is so different from LRT.

All I can say that they better find a way to minotor the project instead of looking ways to stop it. The people want's to finish this project although they may want to know the truth. The project when done will speak louder than any parties opposing this project....:):):)

Aside from the Hondagua station and observation car visit, the group will visit the old MRR port at Hondagua. The group was also invited to attend a philippine railways history presentation for the Congress sub committee on railways. Date yet to be announced.

Jaime

Was this served by a branchline? If so, about how long was it?
Station may well be waterside for all I know :)

Brad

Hi Jaime..

Just curious but where is this Hondagua Station? Thanks. :D

Hondagua Station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_National_Railways_stations) is in Brgy. Hondagua, Lopez town, Quezon Province...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Ph_locator_quezon_lopez.png


Note:
The Philippine Flour Mill (a big flour mill) is just a stone's throw away from the Southrail line.

^^ I hope so, Australia is a peaceful and loving nation for me. If we can get a visa, I could post here a lot of pictures of narrow gauge railways in Japan. It makes sense because still a lot of us specially who is new to this thread doesn't have any idea of how fast trains operating in narrow gauge railways. What they have is the idea that trains can only runs fast in standard railway gauge.

Is the Ayers Rock accessible by railway?... Hope somebody would invite us down under for a round of Tanduay and karaoke! :lol:

^^ actually they also sent me the copy of the UP study about the northrail project, didn't have time to read it but to those who want to see it can PM me anytime, it's more than 18 pages one of which containing a table comparing costs of different railway projects we had, e.g. LRT, MRT, etc.. they also said something about the chinese contractor etc..

anyway, should we reply to them??

FDC who?

Hondagua is located in Lopez, Quezon. It could have been the gateway to the pacific... Unfortunately, like the rest of the railways it was abandoned.

* Fraud and deception;
* Lack of compliance with democratic processes or legal requirements;
* Grossly disadvantageous terms and/or onerous and harmful conditions;
* Financing of failed projects, or projects with damaging effects on people, on the environment, or on the
economy;
* Purchasing overpriced, unnecessary goods or services;
* Support of policies that result in the violation of human rights;
* Debt accumulation due to unjust economic relations;
* Aggressive and unscrupulous pushing by lenders to promote their vested;
* interests at the expense of the borrowers or the people who will pay the debts; and,
* Transactions by illegitimate regimes.

For this reason, FDC is calling on our National Government to repudiate these unacceptable and burdensome debts which have incarcerated generations of Filipinos to a life of forced indebtedness. We are also demanding creditors and lending governments especially from the North to unconditionally cancel the debt of the Philippines and all south countries.

This recent, in the deliberation of the 2008 National Government Budget, Congress and Senate agreed with FDC to suspend interest payments to loan agreements challenged as tainted with fraud totaling P 5 billion. Unfortunately, kahit sa dami ng pagpapatunay na ebidensiya, Mrs. Arroyo vetoed the said provision consequently once again putting the burden of paying these illegitimate debts to the Filipino people.

This leads us back to the discussion on the NorthRail Project. We believe the project at the very least should be suspended pending investigation at kung kakayanin ay total cancellation. And what are the facts, figures that will back this demand? Here are the following:

1. The project was approved despite the lack of competitive bidding
2. There are fundamental legal infirmities in the Buyer Credit Loan Agreement (BCLA)
3. The project displaced thousands of urban poor families without proper and humane relocation
4. The interest loan of 3% a year of the said loan project is higher than the rate on other loan packages that our country could have availed.
5. The total cost of $ 503 million for a 32.2 kilometer length of rail line meant that the average cost of the project is nearly $ 1 million per kilometer! This is exclusive of the costs for clearing, relocation and resettlement of informal dwellers within the railroad area.

Attached is the study of the UP College of Law on the questionable legality of the said project violating our laws much more the Philippine Constitution. Dito pa lang, these are enough grounds to call for its suspension if not all-out cancellation. Walang duda na anomalyado, ilehitimo at palyado.

So, there is no reason why the Arroyo Government will not suspend this project pending a thorough investigation of the matter. Kung walang dapat itago ay bakit patuloy na ikinukubli sa madla ang mga detalye ng mga kasunduan?Sabihin niyo nga sa akin kung ano ng email nito ng maitanong ko yung follow up questions.

Ok na sana eh kaya lang nilagay nila yung criteria nila kung bakit kailangang irepudiate ang isang foreign loan. Kaya lang, wala silang nilagay kung paano nila yung gagawin or paano nila malalaman kung ganun nga ang nangayayari. Basta na lang sinabi na "that's illegitimate and illegal because the evidence is oveewhelming." Eh nasan ba ang evidence. Yung study nga ng UP Law, if I'm not mistaken eh binalik ng SC. AT yung pagkadami-daming investigation ng Senate, ano ba ang lumabas? WALA. Ni kahit simpleng Senate Bill. WALA!

Ilalagay ko lang yung alam ko ah:

1. No bidding. San ba dapat gamitin ang bidding? Sabi ng gobyerno kapag gov't-to-gov't agreement wala nang bidding? Mali ba ito?

2. Without proper relocation?! What is proper, anyway? The mere fact that these people are living along the tracks is already improper, isn't it?

3. Interest loan of 3% is usu given by goverments that are not OECD or not developed country, is it not? Is China a developed country? Is there any country aside from China that is interested to give a loan in this?

4. Is it really 32.3km or twice the length since it is DOUBLE TRACK? AND all facilities are brand new. If it is overpriced, what then should be the price of this railway? Did they give any examples of the same project that costs less? In every accusations and news that I have seen, I have never ever heard nor seen any proof to this. They said that it is overpriced merely by stating that it is $1M per kilometer of track. I guess they forgot that railways also needs trains and not only tracks.

Kung tinatago yung detalye ng contract, bakit alam ng mga Senador at ng UP College of Law yung mga detalye sa NorthRail? And take note, sinumbmit pa nila sa SC. Ano yun, hula hula? If there is overwhelming evidence, then why did the SC returned the case submitted to them? In fact, they returned the case to the lawyers and scolded them to correct their mistakes like the confusions over the contractors etc.

Lastly, pending "thorough investigation"? My goodness!!! If I'm not mistaken, the Senate has already investigated this 3 times already and you do not consider that thorough? Not even a Senate bill has come out from this investigations? Is the Senate really an impotent institution now that even their most basic power of creating a bill is already difficult for them?

Kung sino may copy nung "study", please bigyan niyo ako.

Maundy Thursday update!

A group of workers were observed working today and rushing the rehab in time for the 100th anniversary this coming March 25, 2008.

Please view photo of the progress here:

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2008/03/work-on-maundy-thursday.html

Cheers,

Jaime

Maundy Thursday update!

A group of workers were observed working today and rushing the rehab in time for the 100th anniversary this coming March 25, 2008.

Please view photo of the progress here:

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2008/03/work-on-maundy-thursday.html

Cheers,

Jaime

WOW!!! Nice work Jaime... Thank you so much and GODBLESS!!! :banana: Awesome update....

Hi WOS,

It was a surprise to me. Today is a holiday and they are still doing the rehab.

Ahh... MRR, Hondagua... Beach... Trip report next week...

Jaime

Maundy Thursday update!

A group of workers were observed working today and rushing the rehab in time for the 100th anniversary this coming March 25, 2008.

Please view photo of the progress here:

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2008/03/work-on-maundy-thursday.html

Cheers,

Jaime

^^ Hi Jaime,

Best wishes for you guys up there Laguna Railways.

I hope they would still replace that 32kg/m rails with the 50kg/m rails. It seems that the rails are too small to handle the bigger, faster and more modern DMU trains and also I hope they would use the tampering machine to align the rails into accuracy.

Thomas

^^ Hi Jaime,

Best wishes for you guys up there Laguna Railways.

I hope they would still replace that 32kg/m rails with the 50kg/m rails. It seems that the rails are too small to handle the bigger, faster and more modern DMU trains and also I hope they would use the tampering machine to align the rails into accuracy.

Thomas

I hope so too.

Hi WOS,

It was a surprise to me. Today is a holiday and they are still doing the rehab.

Ahh... MRR, Hondagua... Beach... Trip report next week...

Jaime


^^ Yup, me also I was stunned. It's really better to assumed that we must even appreciate them so much because they have given their words headed by Project Manager in time for the 25th of March anniversary. I hope PGMA will lead the rights and I hope that the other line would also be completed.

Guys I love your website so much. If I'll have a time to go there at Manila, I wish we could see each other with el, marieantonette, barrera and other fans. And also I wish to take some photos and videos from any other part of the PNR project so we could have updates to be posted in this thread and also it is my pleasure that my pictures be posted in Laguna Railways... :)

About the Northrail Project, none so far have updated us. But I know that they are already about to start the track laying from Caloocan to Malabon. I hope someone also from this thread will updates us about it. :)

Hi WOS,

Send pictures or links to info@rihspi.org and we will post it. I hope you have some pictures of the current state of the "Bicol Express". If you are in town please send us a note so that we can meet you.

Jaime

^^ Ok Thanks, Maybe after this couple of busy days, I could send you photos of Polangui, Ligao and Guinobatan Stations and also for future PNR Linkage Project Photos. I have some before at Pasay and Buendia Stations. You could use it also or I can send it you again via the email.

Hi WOS,

Send pictures or links to info@rihspi.org and we will post it. I hope you have some pictures of the current state of the "Bicol Express". If you are in town please send us a note so that we can meet you.

Jaime

^^ If you're just nearby Makati, you can pass by Buendia, Vito Cruz and Pasay Stations. It seem that there have a lot of developments happened here already since October 2007. It's nice to see it in clear photos.

Take care and best wishes for you Jaima and the rest of Laguna Railways..:)

Thomas

Sabihin niyo nga sa akin kung ano ng email nito ng maitanong ko yung follow up questions.

Ok na sana eh kaya lang nilagay nila yung criteria nila kung bakit kailangang irepudiate ang isang foreign loan. Kaya lang, wala silang nilagay kung paano nila yung gagawin or paano nila malalaman kung ganun nga ang nangayayari. Basta na lang sinabi na "that's illegitimate and illegal because the evidence is oveewhelming." Eh nasan ba ang evidence. Yung study nga ng UP Law, if I'm not mistaken eh binalik ng SC. AT yung pagkadami-daming investigation ng Senate, ano ba ang lumabas? WALA. Ni kahit simpleng Senate Bill. WALA!

Ilalagay ko lang yung alam ko ah:

1. No bidding. San ba dapat gamitin ang bidding? Sabi ng gobyerno kapag gov't-to-gov't agreement wala nang bidding? Mali ba ito?

2. Without proper relocation?! What is proper, anyway? The mere fact that these people are living along the tracks is already improper, isn't it?

3. Interest loan of 3% is usu given by goverments that are not OECD or not developed country, is it not? Is China a developed country? Is there any country aside from China that is interested to give a loan in this?

4. Is it really 32.3km or twice the length since it is DOUBLE TRACK? AND all facilities are brand new. If it is overpriced, what then should be the price of this railway? Did they give any examples of the same project that costs less? In every accusations and news that I have seen, I have never ever heard nor seen any proof to this. They said that it is overpriced merely by stating that it is $1M per kilometer of track. I guess they forgot that railways also needs trains and not only tracks.

Kung tinatago yung detalye ng contract, bakit alam ng mga Senador at ng UP College of Law yung mga detalye sa NorthRail? And take note, sinumbmit pa nila sa SC. Ano yun, hula hula? If there is overwhelming evidence, then why did the SC returned the case submitted to them? In fact, they returned the case to the lawyers and scolded them to correct their mistakes like the confusions over the contractors etc.

Lastly, pending "thorough investigation"? My goodness!!! If I'm not mistaken, the Senate has already investigated this 3 times already and you do not consider that thorough? Not even a Senate bill has come out from this investigations? Is the Senate really an impotent institution now that even their most basic power of creating a bill is already difficult for them?

Kung sino may copy nung "study", please bigyan niyo ako.

emman@fdc.ph po yung email.. pakisabi na lang sa kanila na you're talking about their email kay patrick para malaman nila ung tinutukoy nyo po..:)

na saken din ung UP study, bigay ko po sayo thru email, pm me na lang..:)

Is the Ayers Rock accessible by railway?... Hope somebody would invite us down under for a round of Tanduay and karaoke! :lol:

Not really. One needs to catch a train to Alice Springs and then face an long drive to reach it.
Would be worth it though.

Brad

Hondagua is located in Lopez, Quezon. It could have been the gateway to the pacific... Unfortunately, like the rest of the railways it was abandoned.

And what of my earlier port question?
Was it rail served and are we talking much of a railway branch to serve it?

Brad

VBalAQAvDyw

^^ A Japanese construction firm is interested to finance the Light Railway Project of Davao City. Here's a clip of the news report by TV Patrol Davao courtesy of rajahsoliman.

Sabihin niyo nga sa akin kung ano ng email nito ng maitanong ko yung follow up questions.

Ok na sana eh kaya lang nilagay nila yung criteria nila kung bakit kailangang irepudiate ang isang foreign loan. Kaya lang, wala silang nilagay kung paano nila yung gagawin or paano nila malalaman kung ganun nga ang nangayayari. Basta na lang sinabi na "that's illegitimate and illegal because the evidence is oveewhelming." Eh nasan ba ang evidence. Yung study nga ng UP Law, if I'm not mistaken eh binalik ng SC. AT yung pagkadami-daming investigation ng Senate, ano ba ang lumabas? WALA. Ni kahit simpleng Senate Bill. WALA!

Ilalagay ko lang yung alam ko ah:

1. No bidding. San ba dapat gamitin ang bidding? Sabi ng gobyerno kapag gov't-to-gov't agreement wala nang bidding? Mali ba ito?

2. Without proper relocation?! What is proper, anyway? The mere fact that these people are living along the tracks is already improper, isn't it?

3. Interest loan of 3% is usu given by goverments that are not OECD or not developed country, is it not? Is China a developed country? Is there any country aside from China that is interested to give a loan in this?

4. Is it really 32.3km or twice the length since it is DOUBLE TRACK? AND all facilities are brand new. If it is overpriced, what then should be the price of this railway? Did they give any examples of the same project that costs less? In every accusations and news that I have seen, I have never ever heard nor seen any proof to this. They said that it is overpriced merely by stating that it is $1M per kilometer of track. I guess they forgot that railways also needs trains and not only tracks.

Kung tinatago yung detalye ng contract, bakit alam ng mga Senador at ng UP College of Law yung mga detalye sa NorthRail? And take note, sinumbmit pa nila sa SC. Ano yun, hula hula? If there is overwhelming evidence, then why did the SC returned the case submitted to them? In fact, they returned the case to the lawyers and scolded them to correct their mistakes like the confusions over the contractors etc.

Lastly, pending "thorough investigation"? My goodness!!! If I'm not mistaken, the Senate has already investigated this 3 times already and you do not consider that thorough? Not even a Senate bill has come out from this investigations? Is the Senate really an impotent institution now that even their most basic power of creating a bill is already difficult for them?

Kung sino may copy nung "study", please bigyan niyo ako.

I agree with your analyses Marie. It is really stupid when they came up with the $1 Million per Kilometer track cost without even considering that the total cost also includes the twin track, the trains, and the train stations including the ticketing booth. The price seems fair to me. And the senate can't come up with a sound position to support their objection. Objection without valid reason is simply trash, therefore, the Senate northrail complaint is as good as trash and the Senators objecting it belong to the garbage dumpster.

go XP!!! nakakapaginit talaga ng ulo to... :ohno::bash::nuts:

Is the LRT really feasible? Sometimes there's a problem with the feasibility studies that are being conducted by foreign firms.

There's no problem building it but problems would come later on (maintenance costs, return of investment, etc..etc..) if ridership is not yet high or is not maintained at a certain level.

The huge amount required in building it (perhaps close to a Billion per kilometer) would be better off spent on sidewalks, comprehensive drainage system/underground cables, new road networks, flyovers and bridges, etc..


...

Is the LRT really feasible? Sometimes there's a problem with the feasibility studies that are being conducted by foreign firms.

There's no problem building it but problems would come later on (maintenance costs, return of investment, etc..etc..) if ridership is not yet high or is not maintained at a certain level.

The huge amount required in building it (perhaps close to a Billion per kilometer) would be better off spent on sidewalks, comprehensive drainage system/underground cables, new road networks, flyovers and bridges, etc..


...

agree...i dunno about all the reports and etc pero sa akoa sab i dont think that line is feasible sa karon :( dami pa pwede pag tuonan ng pansin or projects na mas marami ang makikinabang kaysa dito na parang pang "show-off" lang..but thats just my opinion :D

^^

Okay lang cguro if we just consider the population.. Population of Davao is more than 2 million right? So of course it's really feasible, a single LRT line is not even enough for 2 million plus people.. But the question is how much of this two million plus will actually use the LRT.

The target clients of the LRT would surely be the workers and the students. In a given particular line where the proposed LRT will pass, how many workers and students will actually use it every hour of the day?

^^

Okay lang cguro if we just consider the population.. Population of Davao is more than 2 million right? So of course it's really feasible, a single LRT line is not even enough for 2 million plus people.. But the question is how much of this two million plus will actually use the LRT.

The target clients of the LRT would surely be the workers and the students. In a given particular line where the proposed LRT will pass, how many workers and students will actually use it every hour of the day?


1.4-1.5 million lang AFAIK..tapos ilan lang dyan ang gagamit ng LRT? pero parang oks naman kasi yung proposed na daanan ng line eh mahihit talaga ang mga route ng lahat ng tao sa south and sa north..but i dont think its that congested still para mag warrant ng pagpapatayo ng ganun kamahal na project

Is the LRT really feasible? Sometimes there's a problem with the feasibility studies that are being conducted by foreign firms.

There's no problem building it but problems would come later on (maintenance costs, return of investment, etc..etc..) if ridership is not yet high or is not maintained at a certain level.

The huge amount required in building it (perhaps close to a Billion per kilometer) would be better off spent on sidewalks, comprehensive drainage system/underground cables, new road networks, flyovers and bridges, etc..


...

;19155114']agree...i dunno about all the reports and etc pero sa akoa sab i dont think that line is feasible sa karon :( dami pa pwede pag tuonan ng pansin or projects na mas marami ang makikinabang kaysa dito na parang pang "show-off" lang..but thats just my opinion :D

^^

Okay lang cguro if we just consider the population.. Population of Davao is more than 2 million right? So of course it's really feasible, a single LRT line is not even enough for 2 million plus people.. But the question is how much of this two million plus will actually use the LRT.

The target clients of the LRT would surely be the workers and the students. In a given particular line where the proposed LRT will pass, how many workers and students will actually use it every hour of the day?

These studies have been conducted for over 10 years already. From DIDP to the local city council's own study years ago. The said City LRT project is a proactive project for the growing population and economy of Davao. For now, it may not have enough commuters to support it, but when will the local government start such project? In the future, when the cost to build it would increase, when the cost of the properties to be acquired would appreciate, and when population is already out of control? I salute Mayor Duterte for thinking proactively....Nobody may have noticed, but most of the LGUs only construct projects as reactions to certain urban problems. Flyovers for an already congested street, bridges for an out of control traffic, etc.

With regard to other concerns such as drainage, road widenings and networks, etc, these are effectively being addressed by Davao's local government. In fact, it is the only city in the region to have a comprehensive plan to address it. :okay:

^^

I could have never said it better Tj. I agree with you that indeed now is the opportune time to build this infrastructure in Davao. For one, the need has been identified thru the study conducted by no less than the intelligible proponents of this project. We have to remember that Marubeni is a well renowned Japan-based multinational company that has it's reputation at stake at this endevour. Short of saying they did their homework before they sought audience with the mayor which in return got the latter's nod of approval.

Timeliness? If we are still tied up to the usual "shoot from the hip", knee-jerk action like we do in our third world Philippines, then there's no way we can progress in the league of the other developing countries around that has now edged us out and left us eating dust because of this attitude. Again, we have to put the infra in place before the need comes to the nose level. Let's rather be forward thinking and proactive than being just reactive.

;19155212']1.4-1.5 million lang AFAIK..tapos ilan lang dyan ang gagamit ng LRT? pero parang oks naman kasi yung proposed na daanan ng line eh mahihit talaga ang mga route ng lahat ng tao sa south and sa north..but i dont think its that congested still para mag warrant ng pagpapatayo ng ganun kamahal na project


1.5M was the estimate pop of Davao City in 2004. It should have breached that level as of this time. This was reported a long time ago in the local papers.

I think BRT or Bus Rapid Transit system would be more ok for Davao city, imo.

I think it's at 1.7-1.8 million now. ;)

Sorry, I must agree with the others; you can always manipulate feasibility studies to suit the answer you want to see.
This will prove too expensive for our city. An organized bus system is a much more optimal way of addressing our commuting and traffic issues in the medium term (i.e. approximately 15 years down the road).

^^ why do some people love quick fix and medium term goals? Our country has already mastered that...and look where we are in terms of infrastructures and developments!

here it goes....

when the lrt will be done, the planned phaseout of the jeepneys will start. in the end only the jeepneys that are plying the routes inside the city proper will remain. meaning, the toril-agdao, bangkal-agdao, etc ., will cease to exist. ony the taxis will remain as public transpo together with the route jeeps and the lrt.

in the near future also, provincial buses will not enter the city anymore. stations will be set up in panabo and digos. buses will stop at these areas. connecting these stations will be the lrt.

face it. this will happen...

^^ that's right!

And face it....our local government is not a mediocre lgu. we are proactive and we veer away from the conformity of being reactive to problems! We think of solutions first before problems occur! We think forward...and that is DAVAO!

^^ why do some people love quick fix and medium term goals? Our country has already mastered that...and look where we are in terms of infrastructures and developments!

IMO di ganun ang case with the LRT..its just that its too expensive to build and the possible ridership may not be enough to sustain it

imagine if DIA was built with 10 aerobridges and a parallel runway..imbes na kung ano siya ngayon..sure it may meet the future needs but the need "now" doesnt warrant the construction

if they are really dead serious about this, how about fixing the major road networks first? make streets wider, then possible na ilagay na rin to consideration ang areas na pwedeng daanan ng LRT..pwede nang paghandaan "now" but to build now would probably be suicide

I think it's at 1.7-1.8 million now. ;)

you mean 200-300k ang nadagdag within 3 years? lol

;19158656']IMO di ganun ang case with the LRT..its just that its too expensive to build and the possible ridership may not be enough to sustain it

imagine if DIA was built with 10 aerobridges and a parallel runway..imbes na kung ano siya ngayon..sure it may meet the future needs but the need "now" doesnt warrant the construction

if they are really dead serious about this, how about fixing the major road networks first? make streets wider, then possible na ilagay na rin to consideration ang areas na pwedeng daanan ng LRT..pwede nang paghandaan "now" but to build now would probably be suicide



you mean 200-300k ang nadagdag within 3 years? lol

widen the streets? how? where? we cannot anymore widen our streets. unless you demolish building after building. and claim eminent domain. mas mahirap yun kesa building the lrt.

look what happend to the DIA when it was constructed. they claimed eminent domain to get the lands for the expansion. what happened? the project got very delayed because the government had to go to court to get these lands...it is so difficult.

some others think BRT would be nice. nako! congest our saturated streets with buses. jeeez...we will be like edsa. one big and long parking lot.

;19158656']
you mean 200-300k ang nadagdag within 3 years? lol

Yeah, 'yan ang population na nakalagay sa MoneySense magazine (Mar-Apr 2008 issue) that cited Davao City as one of the 20 best places to live in the country. :)

Just face it...Duterte wants LRT! Marubini Corporation will build it. PERIOD! No more! No less!

Sa mga ayaw ng LRT, eh wag kayong sumakay nito once it get built! period!

widen the streets? how? where? we cannot anymore widen our streets. unless you demolish building after building. and claim eminent domain. mas mahirap yun kesa building the lrt.

look what happend to the DIA when it was constructed. they claimed eminent domain to get the lands for the expansion. what happened? the project got very delayed because the government had to go to court to get these lands...it is so difficult.

some others think BRT would be nice. nako! congest our saturated streets with buses. jeeez...we will be like edsa. one big and long parking lot.

isa lang sa suggestions ko :) well, at least pwedeng paghandaan na nila ang mga lugar na tatamaan ng LRT now (fix whatever needs to be fixed, buy the lands they need to buy etc) so when the time comes, mas madali nang itayo yang LRT na yan :)

Yeah, 'yan ang population na nakalagay sa MoneySense magazine (Mar-Apr 2008 issue) that cited Davao City as one of the 20 best places to live in the country. :)

whaaa ganun na kadami? parang rabbit naman ang mga kababayan ko..anak ng anak :jk:

;19158879']
whaaa ganun na kadami? parang rabbit naman ang mga kababayan ko..anak ng anak :jk:

Havent u considered the migration of people from Cagayan de Oro, General Santos, Bukidon, and other nearby cities to Davao City?

;19158879']isa lang sa suggestions ko :) well, at least pwedeng paghandaan na nila ang mga lugar na tatamaan ng LRT now (fix whatever needs to be fixed, buy the lands they need to buy etc) so when the time comes, mas madali nang itayo yang LRT na yan :)


Have u seen the news po? the one reported on tv? have u watched it closely? if u havent realized, the report was an announcement of a japanese firm's interest to build the Davao City LRT. The things you have mentioned will follow through once this project kicks off...Were you thinking po na right there and then they will construct the LRT right away without acquiring the lands that need to be acquired or fix the things that need to be fixed? I guess these Japanese investors and Mayor Duterte are not that bobo naman.

;19158879']isa lang sa suggestions ko :) well, at least pwedeng paghandaan na nila ang mga lugar na tatamaan ng LRT now (fix whatever needs to be fixed, buy the lands they need to buy etc) so when the time comes, mas madali nang itayo yang LRT na yan :)


i agree....d talaga pwede atgrade and lrt sa downtown...sa taas talaga gagawin yun.

Havent u considered the migration of people from Cagayan de Oro, General Santos, Bukidon, and other nearby cities to Davao City?

kaya nga may ":jk:" eh..ano tingin mo sakin bobo?

Have u seen the news po? the one reported on tv? have u watched it closely? if u havent realized, the report was an announcement of a japanese firm's interest to build the Davao City LRT. The things you have mentioned will follow through once this project kicks off...Were you thinking po na right there and then they will construct the LRT right away without acquiring the lands that need to be acquired or fix the things that need to be fixed? I guess these Japanese investors and Mayor Duterte are not that bobo naman.

did they say they will build it "now"?

ok lang naman maging pro-active tayo pero wag lang "hyper" active :yes:

;19159264']
ok lang naman maging pro-active tayo pero wag lang "hyper" active :yes:

So what made the news and this project hyper active?

So what made the news and this project hyper active?


sheesh..magbasa ka nga ng mga posts dito

that was just in reaction to you saying na dapat pro active tayo..

;19159353']sheesh..magbasa ka nga ng mga posts dito

that was just in reaction to you saying na dapat pro active tayo..

and sheesh...basahin mo nga ulit ang mga posts din! if u were referring to my and davaoeagles posts, those were reactions to the prior posts. Did we hype the DAVAO LRT PROJECT? quote it, i dare u.

;19159353']sheesh..magbasa ka nga ng mga posts dito

that was just in reaction to you saying na dapat pro active tayo..

And also,maybe u misunderstood me when i said na maging proactive tayo...i was not saying na tayo as in ikaw and ako or mga forumers....i was referring to our local government's drive to be proactive here...sheesh!

And ur saying hyper? what's there to hype about? haller...nasa news yan! did i add some spice to it? where? quote it! ikaw ang magbasa before magreact!

VBalAQAvDyw

^^ A Japanese construction firm is interested to finance the Light Railway Project of Davao City. Here's a clip of the news report by TV Patrol Davao courtesy of rajahsoliman.

Is the LRT really feasible? Sometimes there's a problem with the feasibility studies that are being conducted by foreign firms.

There's no problem building it but problems would come later on (maintenance costs, return of investment, etc..etc..) if ridership is not yet high or is not maintained at a certain level.

The huge amount required in building it (perhaps close to a Billion per kilometer) would be better off spent on sidewalks, comprehensive drainage system/underground cables, new road networks, flyovers and bridges, etc..


...

;19155114']agree...i dunno about all the reports and etc pero sa akoa sab i dont think that line is feasible sa karon :( dami pa pwede pag tuonan ng pansin or projects na mas marami ang makikinabang kaysa dito na parang pang "show-off" lang..but thats just my opinion :D

^^

Okay lang cguro if we just consider the population.. Population of Davao is more than 2 million right? So of course it's really feasible, a single LRT line is not even enough for 2 million plus people.. But the question is how much of this two million plus will actually use the LRT.

The target clients of the LRT would surely be the workers and the students. In a given particular line where the proposed LRT will pass, how many workers and students will actually use it every hour of the day?

;19155212']1.4-1.5 million lang AFAIK..tapos ilan lang dyan ang gagamit ng LRT? pero parang oks naman kasi yung proposed na daanan ng line eh mahihit talaga ang mga route ng lahat ng tao sa south and sa north..but i dont think its that congested still para mag warrant ng pagpapatayo ng ganun kamahal na project

These studies have been conducted for over 10 years already. From DIDP to the local city council's own study years ago. The said City LRT project is a proactive project for the growing population and economy of Davao. For now, it may not have enough commuters to support it, but when will the local government start such project? In the future, when the cost to build it would increase, when the cost of the properties to be acquired would appreciate, and when population is already out of control? I salute Mayor Duterte for thinking proactively....Nobody may have noticed, but most of the LGUs only construct projects as reactions to certain urban problems. Flyovers for an already congested street, bridges for an out of control traffic, etc.

With regard to other concerns such as drainage, road widenings and networks, etc, these are effectively being addressed by Davao's local government. In fact, it is the only city in the region to have a comprehensive plan to address it. :okay:

^^

I could have never said it better Tj. I agree with you that indeed now is the opportune time to build this infrastructure in Davao. For one, the need has been identified thru the study conducted by no less than the intelligible proponents of this project. We have to remember that Marubeni is a well renowned Japan-based multinational company that has it's reputation at stake at this endevour. Short of saying they did their homework before they sought audience with the mayor which in return got the latter's nod of approval.

Timeliness? If we are still tied up to the usual "shoot from the hip", knee-jerk action like we do in our third world Philippines, then there's no way we can progress in the league of the other developing countries around that has now edged us out and left us eating dust because of this attitude. Again, we have to put the infra in place before the need comes to the nose level. Let's rather be forward thinking and proactive than being just reactive.

1.5M was the estimate pop of Davao City in 2004. It should have breached that level as of this time. This was reported a long time ago in the local papers.

I think BRT or Bus Rapid Transit system would be more ok for Davao city, imo.

I think it's at 1.7-1.8 million now. ;)

Sorry, I must agree with the others; you can always manipulate feasibility studies to suit the answer you want to see.
This will prove too expensive for our city. An organized bus system is a much more optimal way of addressing our commuting and traffic issues in the medium term (i.e. approximately 15 years down the road).

^^ why do some people love quick fix and medium term goals? Our country has already mastered that...and look where we are in terms of infrastructures and developments!

here it goes....

when the lrt will be done, the planned phaseout of the jeepneys will start. in the end only the jeepneys that are plying the routes inside the city proper will remain. meaning, the toril-agdao, bangkal-agdao, etc ., will cease to exist. ony the taxis will remain as public transpo together with the route jeeps and the lrt.

in the near future also, provincial buses will not enter the city anymore. stations will be set up in panabo and digos. buses will stop at these areas. connecting these stations will be the lrt.

face it. this will happen...

^^ that's right!

And face it....our local government is not a mediocre lgu. we are proactive and we veer away from the conformity of being reactive to problems! We think of solutions first before problems occur! We think forward...and that is DAVAO!

;19158656']IMO di ganun ang case with the LRT..its just that its too expensive to build and the possible ridership may not be enough to sustain it

imagine if DIA was built with 10 aerobridges and a parallel runway..imbes na kung ano siya ngayon..sure it may meet the future needs but the need "now" doesnt warrant the construction

if they are really dead serious about this, how about fixing the major road networks first? make streets wider, then possible na ilagay na rin to consideration ang areas na pwedeng daanan ng LRT..pwede nang paghandaan "now" but to build now would probably be suicide



you mean 200-300k ang nadagdag within 3 years? lol

widen the streets? how? where? we cannot anymore widen our streets. unless you demolish building after building. and claim eminent domain. mas mahirap yun kesa building the lrt.

look what happend to the DIA when it was constructed. they claimed eminent domain to get the lands for the expansion. what happened? the project got very delayed because the government had to go to court to get these lands...it is so difficult.

some others think BRT would be nice. nako! congest our saturated streets with buses. jeeez...we will be like edsa. one big and long parking lot.

Yeah, 'yan ang population na nakalagay sa MoneySense magazine (Mar-Apr 2008 issue) that cited Davao City as one of the 20 best places to live in the country. :)

;19158879']isa lang sa suggestions ko :) well, at least pwedeng paghandaan na nila ang mga lugar na tatamaan ng LRT now (fix whatever needs to be fixed, buy the lands they need to buy etc) so when the time comes, mas madali nang itayo yang LRT na yan :)



whaaa ganun na kadami? parang rabbit naman ang mga kababayan ko..anak ng anak :jk:

Havent u considered the migration of people from Cagayan de Oro, General Santos, Bukidon, and other nearby cities to Davao City?

Have u seen the news po? the one reported on tv? have u watched it closely? if u havent realized, the report was an announcement of a japanese firm's interest to build the Davao City LRT. The things you have mentioned will follow through once this project kicks off...Were you thinking po na right there and then they will construct the LRT right away without acquiring the lands that need to be acquired or fix the things that need to be fixed? I guess these Japanese investors and Mayor Duterte are not that bobo naman.

i agree....d talaga pwede atgrade and lrt sa downtown...sa taas talaga gagawin yun.

;19159264']kaya nga may ":jk:" eh..ano tingin mo sakin bobo?



did they say they will build it "now"?

ok lang naman maging pro-active tayo pero wag lang "hyper" active :yes:

;19159353']sheesh..magbasa ka nga ng mga posts dito

that was just in reaction to you saying na dapat pro active tayo..

So where can you see me hyping this project up? YOU READ BEFORE YOU REACT! There's a difference between being hyper and enthusiastic. If you are pessismistic towards this project, be it. After all, kayo naman ang anjan sa Davao. Mabuild or hindi, i will not benefit from it...but davao based dabawenyos would! It's sad to see Dabawenyos who are negative towards innovations and developments in our city. That's why I envy those in Visayas and Northern Mindanao who are proud to whatever plans their cities have. They are passionate about it unlike with SOME DABAWENYOS who tend to be so critical!

@ tj

is the project under BOT scheme? does it mean that the LGU will not spend single centavo on it?

and sheesh...basahin mo nga ulit ang mga posts din! if u were referring to my and davaoeagles posts, those were reactions to the prior posts. Did we hype the DAVAO LRT PROJECT? quote it, i dare u.

that was in reaction to you saying this

why do some people love quick fix and medium term goals? Our country has already mastered that...and look where we are in terms of infrastructures and developments!

di mo kasi ma gets na ang punto ng iba dito, sobrang mahal ng project na yan for the "now" hence i said ok lang maging proactive tayo but wag "hyper" active ..meaning lets just stick to reality..that for now the ridership may not be enough to warrant an LRT..maybe in a few years pwede na but not now



And also,maybe u misunderstood me when i said na maging proactive tayo...i was not saying na tayo as in ikaw and ako or mga forumers....i was referring to our local government's drive to be proactive here...sheesh!

And ur saying hype? what's there to hype about? haller...nasa news yan! did i add some spice to it? where? quote it! ikaw ang magbasa before magreact!

ikaw naman masyado mong nililiteral ang sinasabi ko..ang punto ko lang naman is yes its in the news but maging realistic tayo..i know you love davao and i appreciate that..but i just cant imagine the project being feasible for "now"

may sinabi ba silang timetable kung kailan sisimulan at matatapos ito? malay natin in 15 years pa nila simulan

teka kailan ko ba sinabing nag hhype ka? ang sabi ko lang naman eh wag hyper-active masyado ka ng apektado

@ tj

is the project under BOT scheme? does it mean that the LGU will not spend single centavo on it?

B.O.T.

So where can you see me hyping this project up? YOU READ BEFORE YOU REACT! There's a difference between being hyper and enthusiastic. If you are pessismistic towards this project, be it. After all, kayo naman ang anjan sa Davao. Mabuild or hindi, i will not benefit from it...but davao based dabawenyos would! It's sad to see Dabawenyos who are negative towards innovations and developments for our city. That's why I envy those in Visayas and Northern Mindanao who are proud to whatever plans their cities have. They are passionate about it unlike with SOME DABAWENYOS who tend to be so critical!

WHAT THE F&CK?!

masyado ka naman apektado sa sabi kong "hyper active"...in reaction lang yun sa earlier post mo na bakit masyado tayong reactive..na masyado tayong mahilig sa quick fix.

and you calling me "negative towards innovation"?! P*nyet@! thats just unfair..i love my city just as much as every GOY here..ang akin lang, im just voicing out my concern on the feasibility of this project considering the cost versus the actual need

;19159875'] im just voicing out my concern on the feasibility of this project considering the cost versus the actual need

Since it seems that u know more than I do.....could you enlighten me what BOT means? coz I know what it means, but maybe iba jan ang ibig sabihin ng BOT. Will Davao City spend for this project?

Init discussion dito.

Sabihin niyo nga sa akin kung ano ng email nito ng maitanong ko yung follow up questions.

Ok na sana eh kaya lang nilagay nila yung criteria nila kung bakit kailangang irepudiate ang isang foreign loan. Kaya lang, wala silang nilagay kung paano nila yung gagawin or paano nila malalaman kung ganun nga ang nangayayari. Basta na lang sinabi na "that's illegitimate and illegal because the evidence is oveewhelming." Eh nasan ba ang evidence. Yung study nga ng UP Law, if I'm not mistaken eh binalik ng SC. AT yung pagkadami-daming investigation ng Senate, ano ba ang lumabas? WALA. Ni kahit simpleng Senate Bill. WALA!

Ilalagay ko lang yung alam ko ah:

1. No bidding. San ba dapat gamitin ang bidding? Sabi ng gobyerno kapag gov't-to-gov't agreement wala nang bidding? Mali ba ito?

2. Without proper relocation?! What is proper, anyway? The mere fact that these people are living along the tracks is already improper, isn't it?

3. Interest loan of 3% is usu given by goverments that are not OECD or not developed country, is it not? Is China a developed country? Is there any country aside from China that is interested to give a loan in this?

4. Is it really 32.3km or twice the length since it is DOUBLE TRACK? AND all facilities are brand new. If it is overpriced, what then should be the price of this railway? Did they give any examples of the same project that costs less? In every accusations and news that I have seen, I have never ever heard nor seen any proof to this. They said that it is overpriced merely by stating that it is $1M per kilometer of track. I guess they forgot that railways also needs trains and not only tracks.

Kung tinatago yung detalye ng contract, bakit alam ng mga Senador at ng UP College of Law yung mga detalye sa NorthRail? And take note, sinumbmit pa nila sa SC. Ano yun, hula hula? If there is overwhelming evidence, then why did the SC returned the case submitted to them? In fact, they returned the case to the lawyers and scolded them to correct their mistakes like the confusions over the contractors etc.

Lastly, pending "thorough investigation"? My goodness!!! If I'm not mistaken, the Senate has already investigated this 3 times already and you do not consider that thorough? Not even a Senate bill has come out from this investigations? Is the Senate really an impotent institution now that even their most basic power of creating a bill is already difficult for them?

Kung sino may copy nung "study", please bigyan niyo ako.

Right you are!

;19159875']WHAT THE F&CK?!

masyado ka naman apektado sa sabi kong "hyper active"...in reaction lang yun sa earlier post mo na bakit masyado tayong reactive..na masyado tayong mahilig sa quick fix.

and you calling me "negative towards innovation"?! P*nyet@! thats just unfair..i love my city just as much as every GOY here..ang akin lang, im just voicing out my concern on the feasibility of this project considering the cost versus the actual need


bai way, this project is under BOT scheme di ba? so why are you so concerned about the cost. the proponent undertakes the construction including the financing, operation and the maintenance.


IMPLEMENTING RULES AND REGULATIONS OF R.A. NO. 6957, AS AMENDED BY R.A. NO. 7718, "AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE FINANCING, CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES", AS AMENDED BY R.A. NO. 7718
Build-operate-and-transfer (BOT) - A contractual arrangement whereby the project proponent undertakes the construction, including financing, of a given infrastructure facility, and the operation and maintenance thereof. The project proponent operates the facility over a fixed term during which it is allowed to charge facility users appropriate tolls, fees, rentals, and charges not exceeding those proposed in its bid or as negotiated and incorporated in the contract to enable the project proponent to recover its investment, and operating and maintenance expenses in the project. The project proponent transfers the facility to the government agency or local government unit concerned at the end of the fixed term that shall not exceed fifty (50) years. This shall include a supply-and-operate situation which is a contractual arrangement whereby the supplier of equipment and machinery for a given infrastructure facility, if the interest of the Government so requires, operates the facility providing in the process technology transfer and training to Filipino nationals.

We are a third world country Jech thus funds should be spent according to priority. Step-by-step ang mga projects kumbaga.. So unahin muna yung pinaka basic.

Anyway, this LRT is just a plan, so perhaps it's part of a grand masterplan of the city for the future, then it's ok.

But if they're really pressed at building it the soonest possible like next year then there will be problems.

As I've said a while ago, building the LRT is never a problem.. Problem would be after building it, will it really sustain if we build it right now or even next year?

How about trams or BRT as of the moment?

These studies have been conducted for over 10 years already. From DIDP to the local city council's own study years ago. The said City LRT project is a proactive project for the growing population and economy of Davao. For now, it may not have enough commuters to support it, but when will the local government start such project? In the future, when the cost to build it would increase, when the cost of the properties to be acquired would appreciate, and when population is already out of control? I salute Mayor Duterte for thinking proactively....Nobody may have noticed, but most of the LGUs only construct projects as reactions to certain urban problems. Flyovers for an already congested street, bridges for an out of control traffic, etc.

With regard to other concerns such as drainage, road widenings and networks, etc, these are effectively being addressed by Davao's local government. In fact, it is the only city in the region to have a comprehensive plan to address it. :okay:

Since it seems that u know more than I do.....could you enlighten me what BOT means? coz I know what it means, but maybe iba jan ang ibig sabihin ng BOT. Will Davao City spend for this project?

wag ka nang pilosopo

Ang sa akin is the idea itself of an LRT being built now..that its too expensive considering the possible volume ng sasakay. Sure posibleng walang isang sentimong gastusin ang city kasi BOT nga.but what im concerned about is the idea of building something that expensive na hindi naman ganun ka kailangan for now...kaya earlier sabi ko na if they are hell bent on building this, maybe they can start now by doing the necessary preparations para sa project na ito (appropriation of lands, fixing the roads etc)

look teej, masyado mo naman pinapalaki ang usapan, i was just reacting sa iyong attitude versus the people who have raised doubts sa project na ito na parang napaka kitid namin mag-isip

We are a third world country Jech thus funds should be spent according to priority. Step-by-step ang mga projects kumbaga.. So unahin muna yung pinaka basic.


So can anyone enlighten me what BOT is? Maybe iba ang pagkaintindi ko! Coz as far as i know nold, my local government will let the Japanese firm construct it.

bai way, this project is under BOT scheme di ba? so why are you so concerned about the cost. the proponent undertakes the construction including the financing, operation and the maintenance.

no no no bai jhunix :) its not the cost per se sa city that im concerned about but the "idea" of building something this extravagant now. siguro nga i should make such a big fuss about this since di naman ang city ang gagastos lols but im just airing out my concern na about the idea of an LRT in Davao in say 5 years.these questions come to my mind

1. how long bago mabawi ang investment
2. magkano naman kaya ang pamasahe?
3. etc.

:runaway::lurker::eek2: wah?!

weehh..

So can anyone enlighten me what BOT is? Maybe iba ang pagkaintindi ko! Coz as far as i know nold, my local government will let the Japanese firm construct it. Did you ever try to watch the TV Patrol News via youtube posted first before reacting?Yes, BOT means that a private firm constructs it then they will operate it for a certain no of years and then they'll transfer it to the government. Be careful with BOT's though because it doesn't mean that the government wouldn't not pay for it. Look at the case of MRT3, millions of dollars are spent to subsidize it which, IMO, defeats the purpose of a BOT. I guess to end the discussion here, we should just know the cost and benefit analysis to know which is which. Just my two cents. :D

bai way, this project is under BOT scheme di ba? so why are you so concerned about the cost. the proponent undertakes the construction including the financing, operation and the maintenance.

from what i understand about the BOT scheme, the government will still have to pay it. usually on a long term basis, say, in a 10-20 years spread depende sa agreement between the government and the contrctor/builder. that is, if i understand it right. hence, waway's concern about the project cost and it's return of investments do have basis.

that said, i'm sure the feasibility studies undertaken for the project have already figured this out so that the davao lrt appears to be a promising public/private enterprise.:)

from what i understand about the BOT scheme, the government will still have to pay it. usually on a long term basis, say, in a 10-20 years spread depende sa agreement between the government and the contrctor/builder. that is, if i understand it right. hence, waway's concern about the project cost and it's return of investments do have basis.

that said, i'm sure the feasibility studies undertaken for the project have already figured this out so that the davao lrt appears to be a promising public/private enterprise.:)hmm... interesting. Davao City is already in the 2 million pop mark, am I right?

Let's see what's inside the feasibility study because right know, we just keep on second guessing each other. ;)

from what i understand about the BOT scheme, the government will still have to pay it. usually on a long term basis, say, in a 10-20 years spread depende sa agreement between the government and the contrctor/builder. that is, if i understand it right. hence, waway's concern about the project cost and it's return of investments do have basis.

that said, i'm sure the feasibility studies undertaken for the project have already figured this out so that the davao lrt appears to be a promising public/private enterprise.:)


IMPLEMENTING RULES AND REGULATIONS OF R.A. NO. 6957, AS AMENDED BY R.A. NO. 7718, "AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE FINANCING, CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES", AS AMENDED BY R.A. NO. 7718
Build-operate-and-transfer (BOT) - A contractual arrangement whereby the project proponent undertakes the construction, including financing, of a given infrastructure facility, and the operation and maintenance thereof. The project proponent operates the facility over a fixed term during which it is allowed to charge facility users appropriate tolls, fees, rentals, and charges not exceeding those proposed in its bid or as negotiated and incorporated in the contract to enable the project proponent to recover its investment, and operating and maintenance expenses in the project. The project proponent transfers the facility to the government agency or local government unit concerned at the end of the fixed term that shall not exceed fifty (50) years. This shall include a supply-and-operate situation which is a contractual arrangement whereby the supplier of equipment and machinery for a given infrastructure facility, if the interest of the Government so requires, operates the facility providing in the process technology transfer and training to Filipino nationals.

IMPLEMENTING RULES AND REGULATIONS OF R.A. NO. 6957, AS AMENDED BY R.A. NO. 7718, "AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE FINANCING, CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES", AS AMENDED BY R.A. NO. 7718
Build-operate-and-transfer (BOT) - A contractual arrangement whereby the project proponent undertakes the construction, including financing, of a given infrastructure facility, and the operation and maintenance thereof. The project proponent operates the facility over a fixed term during which it is allowed to charge facility users appropriate tolls, fees, rentals, and charges not exceeding those proposed in its bid or as negotiated and incorporated in the contract to enable the project proponent to recover its investment, and operating and maintenance expenses in the project. The project proponent transfers the facility to the government agency or local government unit concerned at the end of the fixed term that shall not exceed fifty (50) years. This shall include a supply-and-operate situation which is a contractual arrangement whereby the supplier of equipment and machinery for a given infrastructure facility, if the interest of the Government so requires, operates the facility providing in the process technology transfer and training to Filipino nationals.Yes, this is right. BUT you forgot something there. The private firm also has the power to ask for subsidies from the government when they think they're losing from the project. This is the case with MRT3.

^^thanks for providing that!:)

Look at this article and you'll see that not all BOT are positive:

Govt sets buyout of MRT 3,
cites improving finances

By Darwin G. Amojelar, Reporter

WITH the Philippines well on its way to reining in its budget deficit, the government plans to take over the Metro Rail Transit Line 3 (MRT-3) this year, an official of the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) said.

“The office of the president has decided to implement the buyout as recommended by the DOF [Department of Finance],” Guiling Mamondiong, DOTC undersecretary for railways said.

In August 2005, the government issued Memorandum Order 181 to create an interagency committee headed by the DOF to draft a takeover strategy. The interagency committee is composed of representatives from the DOTC, the Department of Finance, the Department of Budget and Management, the National Economic and Development Authority, the Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) Center and the Presidential Legal Counsel.

Mamondiong said the government can proceed with the takeover given its improving finances.

The idea of buying out the rail transit operator was raised because the government can no longer afford to subsidize the train’s operations. The government is paying $3.3 million a month for equity payment and $1.67 million for maintenance costs to Japanese operator Tespi Corp., a subcontractor of Sumimoto Corp.

Public subsidy amounts to P48 a passenger. With a daily ridership ranging from 420,000 to 430,000 passengers, the government pays at least P20.46 million a day given the minimum fare of P10 a passenger.

An earlier study showed that the government stands to earn $1 billion in savings for the early buyout of MRT 3.

The MRT 3 was built under a BOT agreement, with the private proponent, a group led by the Fil-Estate Corp., to be paid in 25 years about $655 million.

The company recently said it plans to increase the passenger capacity of MRT-3, which runs from North Avenue in Quezon City to Taft Avenue in Pasay City. Robert John Sobrepena, Fil-Estate chairman, told reporters that the DOTC is set to bid out a contract for additional trains, allowing the rail service to raise its capacity from 350,000 passengers a day to 600,000.

Sobrepena said the rail service at present is struggling to handle 480,000 commuters a day. He said the plan calls for another 24 to 48 trains, all secondhand, refurbished units. If the bidding pushes through, delivery of these trains will be completed in a year.
--With Cheryl M. Arcibal

Yes, this is right. BUT you forgot something there. The private firm also has the power to ask for subsidies from the government when they think they're losing from the project. This is the case with MRT3.

that is why our mayor handed it over to the city council for them to study the contract of the proposed project...

from what i understand about the BOT scheme, the government will still have to pay it. usually on a long term basis, say, in a 10-20 years spread depende sa agreement between the government and the contrctor/builder. that is, if i understand it right. hence, waway's concern about the project cost and it's return of investments do have basis.

that said, i'm sure the feasibility studies undertaken for the project have already figured this out so that the davao lrt appears to be a promising public/private enterprise.:)

actually ang akala ko wala ni isang singkong duling na gagastusin ang city government dito lols

ang concern ko lang naman talaga is "is there an actual need for now?" since napakahaba nung proposed route..i would imagine pwede pa siguro kung say DAMOSA-Downtown-Matina Crossing ang line yan medyo heavy yan but still not like TAFT or EDSA

maybe in 15 years (soonest) but not in 5-10 years unless biglang dumoble ang population ng davao :yes:

that is why our mayor handed it over to the city council for them to study the contact of the proposed project...ok. I cannot comment on such project at the moment for no one has provided the forum with certain details esp about the feasibility study and the details in the contract. Most of the arguments here are theoretical which focuses on BOT. But as I've said, BOT has its upsides and downsides. So please be very careful when you're officials say BOT, for there are issues about that. BOT at the moment is still full of problems and MRT 3 is one great example of that.

;19160440']actually ang akala ko wala ni isang singkong duling na gagastusin ang city government dito lols

ang concern ko lang naman talaga is "is there an actual need for now?" since napakahaba nung proposed route..i would imagine pwede pa siguro kung say DAMOSA-Downtown-Matina Crossing ang line yan medyo heavy yan but still not like TAFT or EDSA

maybe in 15 years (soonest) but not in 5-10 years unless biglang dumoble ang population ng davao :yes:nagtataka lang ako, bakit hini inuna yung heavy rail? Kung heavy rail siguro mas makakatulong ng malaki kasi puwede isama yung cargo and the like. Aside from that, is traffic congestion really an urgent problem in Davao City right now?

Sorry but I believe that this project will be more feasible in Cebu City.

Mindanao Railways must be the priority at least for now as I see it.

^^

I'm more keen to believe that even here in Cebu it's not feasible yet. The Cebu LRT was first presented more than 10 years ago already. I heard that the government would like to build the Cavite line first, hehe..



OT:

@Marieantoinette

Could it be possible that one of the reasons why MRT-3 is losing is because of the size of the coaches? I'm not so much an expert on how it works but basically the bigger the vehicle is then the more power it requires for it to run and the more maintenance it requires. And the coaches at MRT3 are big, hehehe.. :dunno:

summer na summer ang discussion ah!

im leaning towards boyet's views, his reasons do have some basis, but anyway, siguro naman hindi lang davao ang makikinabang sa lrt na to kundi buong mindanao.

@Marieantoinette

Could it be possible that one of the reasons why MRT-3 is losing is because of the size of the coaches? I'm not so much an expert on how it works but basically the bigger the vehicle is then the more power it requires for it to run and the more maintenance it requires. :dunno:No, the problem is that the gov't doesn't want to raise fares. Imagine it only costs 12php-15php to ride the MRT. It is way too low. The gov't subsiizes the riders by Php48! Imagine, there are 500,000 riders of the MRT so 48 times half a million is Php24M DAILY plus yung maintenance and other fess na binabayaran ng gobyerno. Eh di dun pa lang, talo na gov't. The LRT1 and LRT 2 are actually managed by the gov't but it is profitable. And look, the gov't is set to buy the MRT 3, which is funny because it means that the objective of BOT is not met. Kung masusunod yung private firm, baka ang bayaran ng taong sumsakay sa MRT eh nasa 30php-50php which, is way too expensive.

summer na summer ang discussion ah!

im leaning towards boyet's views, his reasons do have some basis, but anyway, siguro naman hindi lang davao ang makikinabang sa lrt na to kundi buong mindanao.

Davao City LRT is the LRT project which Marubini Corporation from Japan is eyeing to construct in Davao City through a BOT scheme.

Davao LRT is a different project by DIDP (Davao Integrated Development Plan) within Davao Region which MCC Capital Projects Limited of UK has expressed its interest to support to.

Mindanao Railway is another project being pushed by Davao Congressman Nograles. Im not sure if there's an interested financer na!

^^

:wave: :wave:

nagtataka lang ako, bakit hini inuna yung heavy rail? Kung heavy rail siguro mas makakatulong ng malaki kasi puwede isama yung cargo and the like.

parang magandang idea yan :) pero di ko maimagine saan idadaan and sino ang gagamit :)

heavy rail siguro to connect davao with digos to the south and tagum to the north pwede pa but ewan ko rin since ive no idea on the volume of cargo and passengers sa area na yan :)

now it it were Davao-CDO or Davao-GenSan mas ok pa siguro at mas heavy ang volume but di rin ako sure

Aside from that, is traffic congestion really an urgent problem in Davao City right now?

some areas yes..pero pag rush hour lang talaga..yun nga ang concern ko eh, magtatayo sila ng LRT pero anong oras lang ba heavy ang ridership sa lugar na yan? 7-8AM and 5-7PM? siguro sa ganyang oras tayuan ang LRT pero sa ibang oras, di yan puno :yes:

karamihan ng trabaho and schools nasa downtown area..tapos outside nyan ay generally residential area

now as I see it, malamang ang pattern is heavy lang talaga ang morning and evening commute pero in between ay hindi, tapos halos lahat ng bababa is towards the urban core lang

^^i hope someone could post here the contents of those feasibility studies (were there 4 such studies made?) that include projected future demands so that perhaps, we can all have a clearer picture.

^^ ah, then mas ok siguro yung mindanao railway lalo na kung linked to other major mindanao cities. tingin ko mas dapat unahin yun.

;19160598']parang magandang idea yan :) pero di ko maimagine saan idadaan and sino ang gagamit :)

heavy rail siguro to connect davao with digos to the south and tagum to the north pwede pa but ewan ko rin since ive no idea on the volume of cargo and passengers sa area na yan :)

now it it were Davao-CDO or Davao-GenSan mas ok pa siguro at mas heavy ang volume but di rin ako sure



some areas yes..pero pag rush hour lang talaga..yun nga ang concern ko eh, magtatayo sila ng LRT pero anong oras lang ba heavy ang ridership sa lugar na yan? 7-8AM and 5-7PM? siguro sa ganyang oras tayuan ang LRT pero sa ibang oras, di yan puno :yes:

karamihan ng trabaho and schools nasa downtown area..tapos outside nyan ay generally residential area

now as I see it, malamang ang pattern is heavy lang talaga ang morning and evening commute pero in between ay hindi, tapos halos lahat ng bababa is towards the urban core langI see, I'm actually using MM as my own model (not that I'm anti-Mindanao or something ok). Dito pa nga lang kasi 13M and population kapag gabi at 15M or more kapag umaga which means na 3M or more million people ang kailangang i-transport from end to end. Kaya ang LRT feasible. Kung ang population ng Davao ay 2M, ilan dun ang nagcocommute at ilan din ang naglalabas pasok sa city? Kasi kung nasa thousands lang, malamang lamang hindi yan kikita. AT kailangan din nating alamin kung bakit congested diyan: dahil ba narrow ang road or talagang marami nang tao na kahit wide roads ay hindi kaya like MM?

^^ ah, then mas ok siguro yung mindanao railway lalo na kung linked to other major mindanao cities. tingin ko mas dapat unahin yun.

Pwede naman ding simulan ang Mindanao Railway project kahit may Davao LRT. after all, Davao LRT is a project of Davao City itself and not by the national government. Kelan pa ba kami tinulungan ng national government when it comes to infrastructures? Kahit Bankerohan Bridge nga, ang daming delays before nasimulan. And thnx to Marubini Corp for showing its interest to assist Davao City.

No, the problem is that the gov't doesn't want to raise fares. Imagine it only costs 12php-15php to ride the MRT. It is way too low. The gov't subsiizes the riders by Php48! Imagine, there are 500,000 riders of the MRT so 48 times half a million is Php24M DAILY plus yung maintenance and other fess na binabayaran ng gobyerno. Eh di dun pa lang, talo na gov't. The LRT1 and LRT 2 are actually managed by the gov't but it is profitable. And look, the gov't is set to buy the MRT 3, which is funny because it means that the objective of BOT is not met. Kung masusunod yung private firm, baka ang bayaran ng taong sumsakay sa MRT eh nasa 30php-50php which, is way too expensive.

actually, the government is in a double whammy situation here. it doesn't want to pass the buck to the public by means of subsidy. but in so doing, this subsidy affects the government's fiscal health.

but if the government stops subsidizing, there's maybe a risk that passenger volume will decrease or, at the very least, not grow as to offset increasing costs of maintenance in an alrady losing operation.

Sorry but I believe that this project will be more feasible in Cebu City.

Mindanao Railways must be the priority at least for now as I see it.

Eh di simulan na rin ang mga projects na yan. What's stopping them? Anyway, fyi, Davao City LRT is not a national government project but a project of Davao City itself through the assistance of a Japanese firm.

ok to give the non-davaoenos an idea ng itsura ng line

outside downtown ito ang immediate areas :)

South

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/waway625/googleearth2008-03-2122-13-11-96.jpg

North

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/waway625/googleearth2008-03-2122-13-03-96.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/waway625/googleearth2008-03-2122-12-44-46.jpg

now further south eto na ang mga area na yan

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/waway625/aporoadqf9.jpg

bale yun talagang dense urban area lang ng line is siguro nasa 4-5kms lang pa north and pa south (from the city center) ..outside nyan is same na sa pic na yan sa taas...mukha po bang busy?

actually, the government is in a double whammy situation here. it doesn't want to pass the buck to the public by means of subsidy. but in so doing, this subsidy affects the government's fiscal health.

but if the government stops subsidizing, there's maybe a risk that passenger volume will decrease or, at the very least, not grow as to offset increasing costs of maintenance.that's the point. that's why in the end, the government is buying it out because it is less costly. But the situation in MM is way way worse than in Davao. In MM, you have millions of people (about 3M or more plus its own pop) going in and out of the metro while in davao, you only have one city and several thousand commuters or let's say a million and more. but don't you think an organized bus system couldn't handle that? I'm not against this one, but if this would push through, don't you think the city would bleed if the private firm would ask for subsidies?

As I've said, if this was a heavy rail, then it would cater to longer distances and includes cargo which would increase trade in the city and nearby provinces and hopefully would also decrease prices of goods not only there in Mindanao but also here in Manila and elsewhere in the country.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/waway625/aporoadqf9.jpg

^^ hindi busy, actually yung jeep nga bakanteng bakante :lol:

^^it appears you have a point there @xp

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/waway625/aporoadqf9.jpg

^^ hindi busy, actually yung jeep nga bakanteng bakante :lol:

^^http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/tj_brewed/DAVAO/davaovisit/2164757869_fc71619acb.jpg

^^ http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/tj_brewed/DAVAO/davaovisit/378580194_30f2078c98.jpg

that's the point. that's why in the end, the government is buying it out because it is less costly. But the situation in MM is way way worse than in Davao. In MM, you have millions of people (about 3M or more plus its own pop) going in and out of the metro while in davao, you only have one city and several thousand commuters or let's say a million and more. but don't you think an organized bus system couldn't handle that? I'm not against this one, but if this would push through, don't you think the city would bleed if the private firm would ask for subsidies?
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yun nga eh, sabihin na nating 2 million nga ang population ng Davao (i still think its just a hair above 1.5million) ilan lang ba dyan ang sasakay sa LRT?

while im confident na sa morning and evening rush hour ay busy yan, in between, when lahat ng estudyante ay nasa school at lahat ng nagtatarabaho ay nasa opisina na, sino at ilan ang sasakay sa LRT?

;19161024']yun nga eh, sabihin na nating 2 million nga ang population ng Davao (i still think its just a hair above 1.5million) ilan lang ba dyan ang sasakay sa LRT?

while im confident na sa morning and evening rush hour ay busy yan, in between, when lahat ng estudyante ay nasa school at lahat ng nagtatarabaho ay nasa opisina na, sino at ilan ang sasakay sa LRT?yup, yun din ang concern ko.

bai way, magkano ba ang proposed budget ng davao lrt? and when is the proposed date of construction?

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ganito ba ang situation sa buong linya ng planned lrt sa davao city? or is this a small part of the central core lang?

^^ nope.. sa urban core lang yan

bai way, magkano ba ang proposed budget ng davao lrt? and when is the proposed date of construction?


i dunno :) sabi lang naman sa news ay nag visit ang marubeni corp sa mayor (may youtube link sa few pages back)

sa tingin ko ok din naman if at grade yung line outside the urban core tapos above grade na sa urban core...pero not now..maybe in 10 years :)

^^ thats Matina...not an urban core in Davao.

from the pics, ang nakakatraffic lang naman talaga are the jeeps, di sila humihinto sa designated jeepney stops, sa first pic naman, may pedestrian overpass pero sa baba pa rin tumatawid (same problem with cebu's jones avenue) tapos look at the opposite lane of the 2nd pic, ang luwag ()

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i dunno :) sabi lang naman sa news ay nag visit ang marubeni corp sa mayor (may youtube link sa few pages back)


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sabi sa article:

"The LRT system that will serve the coastal build-up area of Davao City as well as neighboring areas in Davao del Sur particularly the municipality of Sta. Cruz and Davao del Norte in Panabo City will costs around US$4.49 billion or P240 billion based on 1997 project cost estimate."

nanghina ata ako. and that's the cost in 1997. That's a decade ago. Ilang bilyon kaya ang itinaas niyan. Mas mahal pa siya sa Northrail. :ohno:

^^ thats Matina...not an urban core in Davao.

if you read a few pages back, ang sabi kong urban core would be Damosa-downtown-matina crossing area :) outside nyan eh di na gaano busy :yes:

BTW

this one is sa may G-Mall area

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sabi sa article:

"The LRT system that will serve the coastal build-up area of Davao City as well as neighboring areas in Davao del Sur particularly the municipality of Sta. Cruz and Davao del Norte in Panabo City will costs around US$4.49 billion or P240 billion based on 1997 project cost estimate."

nanghina ata ako. and that's the cost in 1997. That's a decade ago. Ilang bilyon kaya ang itinaas niyan. Mas mahal pa siya sa Northrail. :ohno:

the LRT being discussed recently is another project which would only be within Davao City. The article you have quoted is another project of DIDP, the LRT project within the region of the Davao.

the LRT being discussed recently is another project which would only be within Davao City. The article you have quoted is another project of DIDP, the LRT project within the region of the Davao.I see. So how much would this LRT cost?

;19161314']if you read a few pages back, ang sabi kong urban core would be Damosa-downtown-matina crossing area :) outside nyan eh di na gaano busy :yes:

ah...so that's the urban core for u...Coz i thought the urban core is just the downtown area. So nagchange na pala since I last left. My bad.

^^^^whoa! if the planned budget will push through, it would be hard for any operator to break-even, let alone operate on a profit. estimate ko lang yun ha! obcourse, i'm wishing the best for this davao lrt!

ah...so that's the urban core for u...Coz i thought the urban core is just the downtown area. So nagchange na pala since I last left. My bad.

yan ang sa discussion namin ni junax before, na ang urban area ng davao is beyond the downtown area kasi kung di ka naman talaga tiga davao and di mo alam alin ang downtown then parang downtown na rin tignan up to matina area :yes:

I see. So how much would this LRT cost?

The news in TV Patrol was just an announcement of that Japanese firms (Marubini) intention to build a railway project in Davao. No cost was mentioned and no time table has been set yet. And as per Duterte, he will submit the firm's proposal to the city council.

Kaya nga ang title ng thread is " Proposed Davao LRT".

;19161314']if you read a few pages back, ang sabi kong urban core would be Damosa-downtown-matina crossing area :) outside nyan eh di na gaano busy :yes:

when i was there 4 or 5 years ago, i considered matina as part of the core na, diba andun yung MTS? hindi naman kasi masayadong defined ang core sa davao, lots of vast space.

when i was there 4 or 5 years ago, i considered matina as part of the core na, diba andun yung MTS? hindi naman kasi masayadong defined ang core sa davao, lots of vast space.

kaya nga..if you dont look at the map na saan ang downtown, medyo hindi defined ang boundaries ng urban core

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sigurado sila dito? papayag yung mga may ari? this is insular village diba? nyaiks, please spare surigao street!

no no no, di ko alam ano yang yellow na line na yan (sa google earth lang yan) lols

syempre sa JP laurel pa rin siguro dadaan ang LRT

oh my sinabawang gulay, kinabahan naman ako sa yellow line :lol:

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^^ A Japanese construction firm is interested to finance the Light Railway Project of Davao City. Here's a clip of the news report by TV Patrol Davao courtesy of rajahsoliman.


I think if they gonna install some LRT system there, they should also develop its area w/ advance business, commercial, and residential fascitlities, while conducting some beautification around the affected zones. Im sure once na magawa ito, di naman siguro to pasasabugin ng mga terorista basta basta, basta maganda ang pagkakagawa at di sabihin ng mga NPA or ASG/MILF na kelangan itong pasabugin para mapalitan ng masmagagandang tanawin.

Sila rin naman ksi ang dahilan kung bakit merong mga demolition jobs dyaan done by the rebels.... joke...

Go Davao!

I think if they gonna install some LRT system there, they should also develop its area w/ advance business, commercial, and residential fascitlities, while conducting some beautification around the affected zones. Im sure once na magawa ito, di naman siguro to pasasabugin ng mga terorista basta basta, basta maganda ang pagkakagawa at di sabihin ng mga NPA or ASG/MILF na kelangan itong pasabugin para mapalitan ng masmagagandang tanawin.

Sila rin naman ksi ang dahilan kung bakit merong mga demolition jobs dyaan done by the rebels.... joke...

Go Davao!

Try visiting Davao City and see it for yourself :okay: But Im afraid you'll be dismayed when you arrive there. Because, the ASG/MILFs you're talking about can be found in Jolo Sulu miles and hours away from Davao Region and not within Davao City. To get a clearer picture, check the map... ;)

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Too many hands dipped into this subject when the very obvious stakeholders are solely the Davaoenos. Sad to say none of them have presented a rather objective assessment of the real situation in the city. For you out there who have no "real" business in Davao, learn to quiet your own emotional noise first before you air out what you make of the topic at hand.

@ Jech: ^^ :lol: My bestfriend who's actually from Davao (well he's really fr Digos but lives in Davao) would probably have the same answer as yours Jech. We've talked about a similar thing a couple of years ago and he answered me just like that. Which is true btw.:)

I think if they gonna install some LRT system there, they should also develop its area w/ advance business, commercial, and residential fascitlities, while conducting some beautification around the affected zones. Im sure once na magawa ito, di naman siguro to pasasabugin ng mga terorista basta basta, basta maganda ang pagkakagawa at di sabihin ng mga NPA or ASG/MILF na kelangan itong pasabugin para mapalitan ng masmagagandang tanawin.

Sila rin naman ksi ang dahilan kung bakit merong mga demolition jobs dyaan done by the rebels.... joke...

Go Davao!

Try harder to humor us Spearhead...it's not funny enough.

Northrail Phase 1 is virtually designed to avoid any possible intersection that's why it is quiet expensive. The design was to enable the airport express train to travel without running the risk of getting an accident in an ordinary street level crossing.

I saw the preliminary design and most of the line was to be made an elevated enbankment and viaduct.

So are they really building this?
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So are they really building this?
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Where did you get it? Para namang LRT ang Northrail diyan. Last year, nakita ko yung ginagawa sa Malolos City noong July pero parang wala naman silang planong gawin iyan. Puro paghuhukay pa lang ang nagagawa noon, ewan ko ngayon. Baka may developments na.

maybe bec some places have no VISION as our mayor have,10 years ago we came up a Waste Disposal Project , pinagtawanan yang proposal na yan dahil na pakalawak pa raw ng lupain ng Davao .now pinagtatawanan pa ba? now Metro Manila have a diff. situation nag lagay sila ng LRT when the situation was already BAD same as the waste disposal they are now facing.

lets put it this way putting LRT where ever in PI is a losing business but don't you think the growing cities needs this infrastructure? do gov't concern is about the welfare of the people ? IMO traffic decongestion is a concern of every city just like putting parks , open spaces , garbage etc.

Try visiting Davao City and see it for yourself :okay: But Im afraid you'll be dismayed when you arrive there. Because, the ASG/MILFs you're talking about can be found in Jolo Sulu miles and hours away from Davao Region and not within Davao City. To get a clearer picture, check the map... ;)

lol he lives in Ontario maybe he means Mindanao :lol:

simply lang natin yang BOT...

ex:

i'll buy a taxi from a car company well pinakinabangan ko , ngayon for how many years hindi ko mabayaran di sasabihin ko eh di kunin nyo uli yang unit

BOT = Borrow, Operate & reTurn :jk:....lol

Got it from the Philippine Railways thread in the Rail section of this forum. :)

Got it from the Philippine Railways thread in the Rail section of this forum. :)

Nop!, I've seen their Valenzuela and Malabon alignment thrue fax only. The plan was to elevate the railway enbankment by at least 3m from the ground in such and in some portions, it's just like an LRT supported by massive columns. Crossing will be made by the huge box culverts.

The enbankment width is 22 meters in width shaped in trapezoidal picture at cross section. This is up to Balagtas then after Balagtas the cross section of the enbankment will be reduced to 10 meters. Section from Caloocan to Balagtas is so wide that Northrail will only use 10 meters of it's right of way leaving a space of 10 meters. The other 10 meters as I've interpreted the plan was i think reserve for some future expansion like airport express railway.

The plan was also included San Fernando to Clark Section. The elevated track s were also wide but only up to Mabiga Over Pass and reduced to 10 meters as it approaches DMIA as elevated carriageway..

Nop!, I've seen their Valenzuela and Malabon alignment thrue fax only. The plan was to elevate the railway enbankment by at least 3m from the ground in such and in some portions, it's just like an LRT supported by massive columns. Crossing will be made by the huge box culverts.

The enbankment width is 22 meters in width shaped in trapezoidal picture at cross section. This is up to Balagtas then after Balagtas the cross section of the enbankment will be reduced to 10 meters. Section from Caloocan to Balagtas is so wide that Northrail will only use 10 meters of it's right of way leaving a space of 10 meters. The other 10 meters as I've interpreted the plan was i think reserve for some future expansion like airport express railway.

The plan was also included San Fernando to Clark Section. The elevated track s were also wide but only up to Mabiga Over Pass and reduced to 10 meters as it approaches DMIA as elevated carriageway..

Are there any plans on the Cagayan Valley Railways? I know they have, but we didn't heard specific plans about that segment. No offense pero kaya lang, nang tingnan ko iyong fleetlist sa PDF sa Philippine Railways SIG, mi-isang kilometro wala pang natatapos na ayusin. Tapos yung mga istasyon parang tinataasan lang, wala na bang iba pang improvements, I mean, are we going to see the old stations again after the railroad rehabilitation. Hope that Malolos railway station will be realized.

Nakakatawa yung date of completion, matatapos daw ng 2008. Pero wala nga akong masyadong makitang improvements. Hope na sana naman bilisan nila without sacrificing quality.

Anyway, sa City of San Fernando, Pampanga, may clean up day na gaganapin sa train station doon.

Copy of Philippine Fleetlist.pdf:

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/Philippine_Fleetlist.pdf

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BOT is that simple to understand...no rocket science yet others don't get it.

I was kinda expecting these kinds of reactions from trolls. Like I said before, nobody else loves our city but us Davaoenos.

Sorry but I believe that this project will be more feasible in Cebu City.

Mindanao Railways must be the priority at least for now as I see it.

^^

I'm more keen to believe that even here in Cebu it's not feasible yet. The Cebu LRT was first presented more than 10 years ago already. I heard that the government would like to build the Cavite line first, hehe..


^^ ah, then mas ok siguro yung mindanao railway lalo na kung linked to other major mindanao cities. tingin ko mas dapat unahin yun.


Nice inputs. Anyway, lemme just stress one fact though...

The proposed DAVAO CITY LRT is a local government project of Davao City with the assistance (if it would push through) of a Japanese firm through a BOT scheme.

Hence, we do not need a go signal from the national government. The national government can go ahead and start it's Cavite project or the Mindanao Railway Project.

Proyekto to ng local na pamahalaan ng DAVAO CITY just like SRP of Cebu and other local government initiated projects outthere. Thus, I think noone is in the position to say "to start this first or should prioritize that first" kasi plan and project to ng city namin. The realization of this proposal will not impede the projects of the national government kasi again, stress ko ulit, PROJECT TO NG CITY NAMIN AND WE WILL NOT ASK ANY ASSISTANCE FROM THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. The National Government has nothing to do with this project.

One is saying that this is more feasible in Cebu. Yes it is. Kaso, project to ng Davao City government, d naman pwedeng makialam ang Davao City Government sa project ng Cebu diba?

Mindanao Railway...that's good...kaso, hindi naman sakop ng budget, plan, and projects ng LOKAL NA GOBYERNO NG DAVAO CITY and buong MINDANAO. National government yun! :okay: Mindanao Railway should still be pushed through by the national government kasi walang kinalaman ang national government project na to sa Davao City initiated project na DAVAO CITY LRT. Yun nga lang, mas naunang nagkaroon ng investor ang DAVAO CITY LRT. So just wish us luck for this local government endeavor instead.

Lemme stress it again....THIS IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER PLANNED RAILWAY PROJECTS SUCH AS THE CAVITE LINE OR MINDANAO RAILWAY. This would be a PROJECT NI MAYOR DUTERTE AND THAT JAPANESE INVESTOR , MARUBENI CORPORATION.

Sabi ni Digong two years ago, he wanted a simple commuter rail system similar to Taiwan LRT.

Taiwan LRT:
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^^ hala...delikado nay maligsan ana dave :D But it's nice!

Now now goys..you might hate me for this but i dont think theres any trolling done here :)

i think its unfair to dismiss the suggestions of the non-davaoenos here if we say na since di sila tiga dito, wala silang say sa discussions, they were just airing their opinions on the possible problems na ma encounter should the city push through with the project

now for me, as much as id love to see this project built, hindi ko lang nakikita na kailangan na siya now..building this "now" would be tantamount to an investor building say a 10 aerobridge expansion of the DIA..sure we might need this a few years down, but not now..so while reasons like "we will need this in the future so gawin na lang natin now" sounds legit..what about "now"? if the airport would be expanded to more than 2x what it is, ano sa tining natin ang itsura ng DIA? same with the LRT..IMO, outside the DAMOSA-DOWNTOWN-MATINA CROSSING area, hindi pa po busy ang lugar..after the morning and evening rush hour, wala po talagang heavy traffic sa area..kumusta po ba ang passenger volume sa tingin natin say from toril to bangkal? if this is built say 5 years from now, ilan po ba sa tingin natin ang magbbyahe daily between bangkal and toril..or say lanang to lasang? karamihan ng mga byahe sa route na yan ay from the districts to downtown (say from sasa/lasang/toril/matina etc to the inner core like downtown, bajada and ma-a/ecoland) and even at that, it may not even be that busy lalo na pag di rush hour

hindi po makakatulong dito ang pagtawag sa mga may alanganin sa project by calling them

people who love quick fix and medium term goals?

at mas lalo pong di nakakatulong sa sitwasyon ang f*cked up statements gaya nito

It's sad to see Dabawenyos who are negative towards innovations and developments in our city. That's why I envy those in Visayas and Northern Mindanao who are proud to whatever plans their cities have. They are passionate about it unlike with SOME DABAWENYOS who tend to be so critical!

i for one think that this is a good project..but i dont just see this happening in the next 5-10 years..medyo premature pa..maybe if they are really serious about the project they can start now by preparing what needs to be prepared first (ie.appropriating lands that needs to be claimed while land prices are still cheap gaya ng mga lupa na pwedeng tamaan ng terminals, lines etc. or widening roads kasi nga pag magdadagdag ka ng linya ng LRT sa gitna, posibleng mababawasan na naman ang lanes ng roads)


yung kina eonyx and marieantoinette etc. were just discussions as to the possible dangers of the BOT agreement (natuto nga ako kasi akala ko sa BOT wala ni singkong duling na gagastusin ang city hindi pala)

as for the concerns they raised against the LRT, i think these are just realistic concerns

kung sa metro manila nag struggle ang MRT 3 na millions na ang population and talagang maraming bumibiyahe, paano na lang kaya sa atin when sa ilang stretch nito ay hindi po busy..darry, tignan mo nga ang area between bangkal ang matina crossing, then compare it to edsa, ni 1/10th ng ka busy ng edsa di po ito ma compare..now if we built one, parang di ba anghirap punuin? kung sa pamilya pa, mura tag bag-ong kasal, unya baby pa ang anak pero nipalit dayon ta ug 1 ka kotse para sa amahan, isa para sa inahan ug dayon isa ka van para "incaso mag family outing ta apil si junior ug 5 pa ka anak na wala pa man ma conceive"

you guys get my point? this is a good project..but we are just pointing out that it may not see the light of day in the near future as its just too premature now (if we are talking here of a metro manila like LRT/MRT line ha)

maybe the city can start by (gaya ng sabi ko earlier) preparing the areas that might get hit by the project or kung ano mang preparasyon ang maaring gawin..

i never said im against this project, all im airing out is that alanganin ako if it is needed now

im just saddened when you guys negate whatever points the others have raised and reply to them as if they are crabs na ayaw lang talaga magkaroon ng LRT ang dabaw or parang short sighted sila..what they aired are genuine concerns naman (ie discussing the dangers of BOT and concerns on possible low volume of ridership)

yun lang po..

^^ dang that was really cool at the first part of the video where the train stopped! the doors and the people didnt even move and they got out of it! wow..

wish davao will get this.

Sabi ni Digong two years ago, he wanted a simple commuter rail system similar to Taiwan LRT.

Taiwan LRT:
09RzJTmnwq8

Yup that's true. The commuter train has been a plan of Mayor Duterte for years now. And that's why he is that enthusiastic with this project now that Marubeni is offering financial assistance. NOT THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT!!!

Here's a a part of write up 4 years ago before Marubeni proposed (few weeks ago) to build this commuter train under a BOT scheme in DAVAO CITY. again, NOT A NATIONAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT!!!



Davao City mayor to plan 'simple commuter railway system'
cleanairnet.org

DAVAO CITY, PHILIPPINES: The city government is seriously looking at a "simple railway commuter system," which could be developed before the end of the decade.

Mayor Rodrigo Duterte said the Davao City was planning a commuter system patterned after small train-based systems in Taiwan's regional centers, which he said could even be cheaper than building a coastal road.

Mr. Duterte noted, however, that there were no estimates yet and that all the city government could do now was to start planning for such project.

"We're not thinking of sophisticated commuter railway systems and heavy infrastructure similar to those in Metro Manila but simple ones like what I saw in Taiwan during my last visit there," he said.

The mayor explained that the railway project, should it push through, would have lesser land to expropriate and thus, would have reduced court work for the government.

It would be recalled that the railway commuter system plan for Davao City was recommended by Japanese consultants to the Regional Development Council as early as 1997 through the Japan-assisted Davao Integrated Development Program. Based on that plan, the railway system should start development before the end of this decade.

Davao's current city administrator, Wendel Avisado, and planning chief, Mario Luis Jacinto, supervised the Japan-funded integrated development plan under regional council chairman Jesus Ayala, former adviser on Mindanao affairs for President Corazon C. Aquino in the late 1980s and a consistent supporter of Mr. Duterte.

Even transport consultants of the Growth with Equity in Mindanao program, a United States Agency for International Development-funded initiative, has endorsed a railway-based commuter system for Davao.

In a previous interview with BusinessWorld, consultants of the US-funded program said it would be good if the local government could look into that project now before the transport situation and squatting in the city's coastal areas get worse.

;19189575']as for the concerns they raised against the LRT, i think these are just realistic concerns


You're concern is valid. However, this has been a plan of our local government even before the turn of this millenium. Now that a company is offering financial assistance, what do you think Mayor Duterte would do? Also, the project has been studied by city planners, transport consultants, and other agencies for years already...Don't you think it's wiser to trust the studies of these experts than our own opinions as just mere forumers?




It would be recalled that the railway commuter system plan for Davao City was recommended by Japanese consultants to the Regional Development Council as early as 1997 through the Japan-assisted Davao Integrated Development Program. Based on that plan, the railway system should start development before the end of this decade.

Davao's current city administrator, Wendel Avisado, and planning chief, Mario Luis Jacinto, supervised the Japan-funded integrated development plan under regional council chairman Jesus Ayala, former adviser on Mindanao affairs for President Corazon C. Aquino in the late 1980s and a consistent supporter of Mr. Duterte.

Even transport consultants of the Growth with Equity in Mindanao program, a United States Agency for International Development-funded initiative, has endorsed a railway-based commuter system for Davao.

In a previous interview with BusinessWorld, consultants of the US-funded program said it would be good if the local government could look into that project now before the transport situation and squatting in the city's coastal areas get worse.

;19189575']hindi po makakatulong dito ang pagtawag sa mga may alanganin sa project by calling them

why do some people love quick fix and medium term goals?



And hindi rin nakakatulong ang pagtawag sa mga taong positive and supportive sa project na to as HYPERACTIVE!

It's sad to see Dabawenyos who are negative towards innovations and developments in our city. That's why I envy those in Visayas and Northern Mindanao who are proud to whatever plans their cities have. They are passionate about it unlike with SOME DABAWENYOS who tend to be so critical!

Do these statements hurt? If this is not you, then you shouldnt be fu*ked up! :D

And hindi rin nakakatulong ang pagtawag sa mga taong positive and supportive sa project na to as HYPERACTIVE!

hindi ko naman kayo tinawag na hyperactive..ilang beses ko bang sasabihin na that was just a reaction to the "proactive" na term..

its one thing to plan ahead..but its another to go overboard..

that statement was directed at the project na IMO is not being proactive (if built now) but was being hyperactive (obviously an attempt to look for a term that was beyond being proactive)

like i earlier said, IMO it would be comparable to building the DIA with 10 aerobridges and a parralel runway NOW than what it is today (na sakto lang sa current and near future needs ng Davao)


Do these statements hurt? If this is not you, then you shouldnt be fu*ked up!

cleary that was for me..walang ibang dabawenyong nag raise ng concern against the project sa usapan kundi ako

you can deny otherwise but you know ako ang tinutukoy mo dun

;19189966']
you can deny otherwise but you know ako ang tinutukoy mo dun

Well im not denying nor confirming it. As what they say, bato bato sa langit...ang tamaan, wag magalit. :okay:

^^ dang that was really cool at the first part of the video where the train stopped! the doors and the people didnt even move and they got out of it! wow..

wish davao will get this.

Thanks alot Diz...It's still in the planning stage though. The City Council of Davao will still have to scrutinize the proposal of the Japanese investor to see the pros and cons. Whatever the outcome would be, Im sure it's for the good of Davao. :okay:

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It is still in the planning stage and I believe the huge majority of Davaoenos welcome this development. Yes there are pros and cons in every project much like there are always those who are for it and against it. One thing though is that the proponents of this project have studied their plan and indeed it came out to be - that the Davao LRT is a viable undertaking.

It seems that the word proactive here has been given another breath when simply I used the word in the context of being non-reactive when it comes to setting up of a vital infra like the LRT system in Davao, when there is still more room to erect it's guideways and pillars as opposed to being panicky to build it when all the usable spaces have been either taken over by big edifices or being illegally occupied by who knows what. Also, that it is being proactive when you provide people with basic amenity when said amenity is there to thwart the looming traffic disaster.

Yes we value the opinions of those who have a certain degree of authority in the topic at hand but I can not say the same to the others who are plainly there as kibitzerz and sad to say they are the same people who have been consistently trolling the city of Davao. Others are just too clever to invoke affinity to the city in many different ways.

In conclusion, what is most important to us, the great majority of Davaoenos is we are so happy with the way our city is being ran by our mayor. We love it when he dishes out something that is beneficial to every Davaoeno. We love this project so much and I for one would want to be the first to ride the Davao LRT.

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It is still in the planning stage and I believe the huge majority of Davaoenos welcome this development. Yes there are pros and cons in every project much like there are always those who are for it and against it. One thing though is that the proponents of this project have studied their plan and indeed it came out to be - that the Davao LRT is a viable undertaking.
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I welcome this move too kuya Vic, what im just saying is that we might not see the project being built anytime soon.besides wala naman silang sinabing time na mag commence ang construction, ang hula ko, they might start with the preparations (ie appropriation of lands, among others i earlier mentioned) so when the time comes di na problemahin ang mga iyan and they can start with the project without much problems

I just reacted to TJ saying that we who are apprehensive of the LRT project are quick fix type of project and even called me (though he isnt denying nor confirming it daw) "negative towards innovation" and "critical"

im not, im just saying that the time may not be "now" since with my daily commute i dont see such high volume of commuters outside the morning and evening rush hour. when i look at the area between matina crossing and toril, i just cant imagine the volume of commuters needed who would fill the trains of the LRT...for now

it just saddens me that when i raised my apprehension tapos parang binabato sa akin na parang napaka negative ko dito sa project na ito, im not..i for one dream of good things for davao, perhaps my vision of reality seems cynical to some..maybe thats it..lbut what irks me is when someone questions my love for my city just because i dont see things the way others do

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I just reacted to TJ saying that we who are apprehensive of the LRT project are quick fix type of project and even called me (though he isnt denying nor confirming it daw) "negative towards innovation" and "critical"


^^Ah....so this is what you're babbling about. Allow me to repost those posts. And see what made me say that.

Sorry, I must agree with the others; you can always manipulate feasibility studies to suit the answer you want to see.
This will prove too expensive for our city. An organized bus system is a much more optimal way of addressing our commuting and traffic issues in the medium term (i.e. approximately 15 years down the road).

And then I reacted this way....

^^ why do some people love quick fix and medium term goals? Our country has already mastered that...and look where we are in terms of infrastructures and developments!

Was that for you waway? I was referring to the previous posts, unless if your IFSSTK :D But then again, it is indeed a fact that our country's into quick fix and medium term goals (and some people do support that). Isnt this evident? Or I may be living in a different Philippines. So were you hurt when I said that? Gee....

;19191770']it just saddens me that when i raised my apprehension tapos parang binabato sa akin na parang napaka negative ko dito sa project na ito, im not..

;19191770']
I just reacted to TJ saying that we who are apprehensive of the LRT project are quick fix type of project and even called me (though he isnt denying nor confirming it daw) "negative towards innovation" and "critical"



^^ Apprehension n. Fearful or uneasy anticipation of the future; dread.

Apprehension = apprehensive = Anxious or fearful = negative.

Alright...so that it wont bother you that much...despite of your apprehensions....your POSITIVE :D! Case closed!

;19191770']I welcome this move too kuya Vic, what im just saying is that we might not see the project being built anytime soon.besides wala naman silang sinabing time na mag commence ang construction, ang hula ko, they might start with the preparations (ie appropriation of lands, among others i earlier mentioned) so when the time comes di na problemahin ang mga iyan and they can start with the project without much problems

im not, im just saying that the time may not be "now" since with my daily commute i dont see such high volume of commuters outside the morning and evening rush hour. when i look at the area between matina crossing and toril, i just cant imagine the volume of commuters needed who would fill the trains of the LRT...for now

same sentiment here...

Just like what i've mentioned in my previous post several days ago, basing on my observation and opinyon ko lang din naman, it would take 8-10 years pa siguro or "maybe" a little less than that before we can be fully ready for an lrt, considering the volume of commuters we have in the metro davao area (includes Digos, Sta.Cruz, Panabo and Tagum) as @waway mentioned above.

Of course we will be more than glad if this project finally pushes through and starts construction the soonest time possible (and will be more than happy also if I'm proven wrong with my projection), as having it in our city would make us very proud as a Davaoeño. BUT the reality is there is not much demand yet for this type of transportation in the very near future.

Unless, if the metro's residents balloons to, say 3.5 million or more in 5 years and around a few hundred thousand more jobs (through call centers and the like) are generated in the same period of time, then an lrt system would be surely needed to meet the traveling needs of hundreds of thousands of commuters of the city by that time. :)

;19191770']I welcome this move too kuya Vic, what im just saying is that we might not see the project being built anytime soon.besides wala naman silang sinabing time na mag commence ang construction, ang hula ko, they might start with the preparations (ie appropriation of lands, among others i earlier mentioned) so when the time comes di na problemahin ang mga iyan and they can start with the project without much problems

I just reacted to TJ saying that we who are apprehensive of the LRT project are quick fix type of project and even called me (though he isnt denying nor confirming it daw) "negative towards innovation" and "critical"

im not, im just saying that the time may not be "now" since with my daily commute i dont see such high volume of commuters outside the morning and evening rush hour. when i look at the area between matina crossing and toril, i just cant imagine the volume of commuters needed who would fill the trains of the LRT...for now

it just saddens me that when i raised my apprehension tapos parang binabato sa akin na parang napaka negative ko dito sa project na ito, im not..i for one dream of good things for davao, perhaps my vision of reality seems cynical to some..maybe thats it..lbut what irks me is when someone questions my love for my city just because i dont see things the way others do

I understand where you're coming from Boyet but I would still insist that there is no other right time for this infra to see the light of day but now. We don't need to wait for the ridership to be up to the brim before we set sail with this one. In most progressive cities like where I am, they build skystrain even if we have a car-centric populace. Still the provincial government is adamant at carrying on with the project because they want to clear the streets of singly-occupied cars believing that this will redound to a greener environment. Plus, the city of Vancouver is gearing for the influx of new immigrants - numbering within the vicinity of hundreds of thousands every year. Davao is no different with Vancouver in it's position in the Philippines. It is a fast-growing city that is drawing a lot of retirees and immigrants both from overseas and outside the city, thus it's a must that modern infrastructures are in place before it's becomes more difficult to keep up with the demands of time.

We are lagging way far behind than most cities in Asia. If we are serious in promoting Davao to the world then we must at least modernize our facilities to be more competitive in global arena.

The problem is sobrang dami ng taxi, jeepneys and multi-cabs sa Davao. Napansin ko nong nasa Davao ako eh halos walang katao-tao ang marami sa mga PUJs (during non-rush hours) and ang haba ng pila ng mga taxi sa mga malls. ^^

I'm even wondering if the drivers are still earning when almost an hour of their time is spent just queuing in the taxi stand waiting for their turn to pick up a passenger.

Baka marami tuloy ang mawawalan ng trabaho if this project is fully realized. :ohno:

I hope not...

^^ Yup....That's sad :(. Anyway, here's a post by Xzibit in the previous page.

here it goes....

when the lrt will be done, the planned phaseout of the jeepneys will start. in the end only the jeepneys that are plying the routes inside the city proper will remain. meaning, the toril-agdao, bangkal-agdao, etc ., will cease to exist. ony the taxis will remain as public transpo together with the route jeeps and the lrt.

in the near future also, provincial buses will not enter the city anymore. stations will be set up in panabo and digos. buses will stop at these areas. connecting these stations will be the lrt.

face it. this will happen...

let me contribute some 0.0002 cents here hehe...

i can understand you goys (@waway, bongkskie, etc), why you are not as enthusiastic as TJ and others about the proposed davao LRT, the citywide one, CMIIW maybe because you are basing your analysis mainly on ridership at the time of the project conception. i have to agree with you about the low ridership issue especially if we just virtually put that LRT now and start rolling as if building one would only take a few minutes. then... no question, the LRT line is a big gamble plying toril, calinan and lasang routes if we eventually assume that the rocket of the project lies mainly on ridership income. but there are other considerations worth tackling why investors like marubeni, and to our amusement even with those "negativities" at hand, still shows interest in investing with the said project.

1st consideration, LRT is a catalyst for growth:
LRT has demonstrated its potential for stimulating and shaping adjacent real estate (commercial, residential, etc) development at its transit stops and stations. This process both builds in ridership and raises the tax base (by increasing land and property values). Once construction starts, businesses surrounding the stations will start mushrooming too because LRT trail is a permanent landmark unlike bus routes. Just in time for the actual operation, say 2-5 years after the ground breaking, ridership increases, not enormously but at least in a positive long term trend.

2nd consideration, gov't paving the way for the increase in ridership:
Jeepney and bus franchises along the LRT line will be issued no more after it expire just in time before the first LRT couch starts rolling. With only private cars, taxis and LRT lines competing, the company only need to show some good service to convince private car owners to take the trains instead and leave the taxis as "feeders". the bulk of the riders got no other option but to use the LRT or walk till kingdom come to reach their destinations.

3rd consideration, the BCG Growth Share Matrix (Question marks, Stars, Dogs and Cash Cows):
big corporations like marubeni got cash cows to milk for question mark or star project like the davao LRT. to make it simple to understand, if i have 2 brand new buses to start with in the 90s, i would never acquire a franchise for the davao-samal route. i would rather battle it out with the giants along the tagum-davao-digos road knowing that i could get at least 2 percent of the ridership. why not venture on davao-samal route for that 100 percent share? because i got no cash cow to milk in case the route is proven to be a drag. see, that is not the case for the bangayans now. same with the bachelor express, cash cow for the butuan-davao-cdo route, question mark for the tacurong-bukidnon route. look at the tacurong-bukidnon route now, obviously a dog if not a cash cow.

4th consideration, gov't subsidy or a buyout:
the gov't is not a business entity, its main thrust is to serve the people. its dream to build LRT's, freeway, flyovers, road networks, etc. is more of service rather than income. a good BOT contract can safeguard both parties. in case of a complete failure, the private corporation would only want what is legally stipulated in the contract, declare the project as a badass and venture in another project that usually starts with what else... question marks or stars in the BCG matrix. the gov't now got the infrastracture which it can not afford to build years ago at quarter the price or got the option to lease it to other big time investors. of course, the last consideration which the LRT EDSA is undergoing got no ridership issues, bumabaha pa nga eh. maybe they should try the word "mismanagement". walang sinasanto ang word na yan kahit sinong city pa ang magka LRT.


i'll end this with a quote from this site...
http://www.ggw.org/rrtc/WhyBuildLRT.html

i am not saying that rochester is comparable to davao, not even that close. but if we read the following phrase with the cities of the philippines in mind, we'll have an idea somehow...

So, what will it take to get started?: First of all, it will take vision. All the great cities of North America share two common traits: visionary leadership and rail transit. Small thinkers will always be satisfied with small ideas and small results. We need city and county and regional leaders who understand that we are all in this together. Rochester does not compete against Canandaigua or Chili. The Greater Rochester Metropolitan Region competes against regions like Buffalo and Syracuse, and most important, Cleveland, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, San Jose-Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, Austin, New Orleans, Indianapolis, and even Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver. We need regional thinkers who are able and willing to "think outside the box" as the technical people love to say. The Federal Government has money available for areas that want to and can demonstrate the feasibility for light rail transit. The competition is fierce, however, and slow-moving, backward-looking areas will never receive a dime. Some of our tax dollars will go to improve life in other cities and their regions. Studies by such highly-respected consulting firms as Wilbur Smith Associates, Stone & Webster, Coddry Carpenter, and Gannett Flemming have already shown the potential for LRT in Rochester. A new beginning will be to follow up on these good efforts and see what is best for our region.


still nasa mga analysts ng investors ang last say sa issue ng Davao LRT. mas gugustuhin ko pa na malugi ang investors o ang gov't sa project na ito kaysa mapunta lang sa bulsa ng mga ZTE masterminds. afterall, luging luging na tayo (pilipinas) sa simula pa lang, it's time to shoot the moon or else be satisfied with the trisekels of bankerohan.

^ agree it's service rather income , kung iisipin natin ang daming mga "dead" investments and white elephants ang ginawa ng gobyerno, even create investments para kumapal ang bulsa , and this lrt will benefit the people not just a few.

I understand where you're coming from Boyet but I would still insist
that there is no other right time for this infra to see the light of day but now. We don't need to wait for the ridership to be up to the brim before we set sail with this one. In most progressive cities like where I am, they build skystrain even if we have a car-centric populace. Still the provincial government is adamant at carrying on with the project because they want to clear the streets of singly-occupied cars believing that this will redound to a greener environment. Plus, the city of Vancouver is gearing for the influx of new immigrants - numbering within the vicinity of hundreds of thousands every year. Davao is no different with Vancouver in it's position in the Philippines. It is a fast-growing city that is drawing a lot of retirees and immigrants both from overseas and outside the city, thus it's a must that modern infrastructures are in place before it's becomes more difficult to keep up with the demands of time.

We are lagging way far behind than most cities in Asia. If we are serious in promoting Davao to the world then we must at least modernize our facilities to be more competitive in global arena.

I think this also 1 of the concern of the Mayor , kung successful ang LRT sa Davao surely mabawasan ang trykes and jeepneys which causes pollution .

Kaya siguro may duda dahil sa anticipated cost ng LRT , but what i heard from the mayor it will not cost that can hurt the local government and he is eyeing the ground level lrt just like the Taiwan lrt.

And repost ko lang din to for those who are not from Davao City and not that aware of this project...To those thinking that the national government would spend for this project or that Mindanao Railway should be the priority first.



The proposed DAVAO CITY LRT is a local government project of Davao City with the assistance (if it would push through) of a Japanese firm through a BOT scheme.

Hence, we do not need a go signal from the national government. The national government can go ahead and start it's Cavite project or the Mindanao Railway Project.

Proyekto to ng local na pamahalaan ng DAVAO CITY just like SRP of Cebu and other local government initiated projects outthere. Thus, I think noone is in the position to say "to start this first or should prioritize that first" kasi plan and project to ng city namin. The realization of this proposal will not impede the projects of the national government kasi again, stress ko ulit, PROJECT TO NG CITY NAMIN AND WE WILL NOT ASK ANY ASSISTANCE FROM THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. The National Government has nothing to do with this project.

One is saying that this is more feasible in Cebu. Yes it is. Kaso, project to ng Davao City government, d naman pwedeng makialam ang Davao City Government sa project ng Cebu diba?

Mindanao Railway...that's good...kaso, hindi naman sakop ng budget, plan, and projects ng LOKAL NA GOBYERNO NG DAVAO CITY and buong MINDANAO. National government yun! :okay: Mindanao Railway should still be pushed through by the national government kasi walang kinalaman ang national government project na to sa Davao City initiated project na DAVAO CITY LRT. Yun nga lang, mas naunang nagkaroon ng investor ang DAVAO CITY LRT. So just wish us luck for this local government endeavor instead.

Lemme stress it again....THIS IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER PLANNED RAILWAY PROJECTS SUCH AS THE CAVITE LINE OR MINDANAO RAILWAY. This would be a PROJECT NI MAYOR DUTERTE AND THAT JAPANESE INVESTOR , MARUBENI CORPORATION.

Magandang Hapon sa lahat,Im jc from Rizal(province in the easthern part ng Metro Manila. im reasing your post and this is my comment and reaction.

LRT1,LRT2 And MRT 3
The government build them hindi para kumita lang kung hindi:

- To decongest traffic
- to make convinience to the people and make them more productive
- to increase investment or development in the area near in this transportation hub
- to lessen pollution

ang MRT eventough hindi siya kumikita pero yung ginhawa at tulong niya para sa tao sobrang laki even in lrt1 and 2.

ok pag-hindi rush hour sobrang luwag niya at kung hindi ako nag-kakamali depende sa dami ng tao ang mga coaches na tumatakbo.kung rudh hour ba o hindi.

CONSTRUCTION
For me dapat ng simulan dahil it takes year bago mo ito magamit.

around two to three year preparation for legel requirment, bidding, studies, consultation, right of way etc.

while the construction will take around 3-5 years kaya probably aorung 2010-2012 kaya come to think ang ginhawa nito sa mga taga-davao di ba.

ENVIRONMENT

sa tingin ko malaki tulong nito to lessen the air pollution sa davao dahil less car or puv sa kalye.

DEVELOPMENT

Dito sa manila ang mga main development dito eh yung malapit sa mga LRT/MRT dahil isa iyon sa mga advantage nila for labor force and investor.Even mall connected na sa mga LRT/MRT

PEOPLE

Ginhawa rin sa tao for example my strike o may bagyo dahil tuloy pa rin ang operation nila. Safe din sa Criminal mas kampante ka sumakay dahil alam mo safe ka. ganun din sa travel time sa akin dito i work in ermita,manila and i live in taytay,rizal it takes 3 hours just to go to may work and another 3 hour pauwi but when i ride LRT 2 from santolan pasig to recto manila it only take 1 1/2 hours(LRT 45 mins.) hindi ko alam ang sitwayon dyan sa Davao but i want to say is less travel time.

OTHER OPION

But tama ang ilan sa inyo dapat hindi lang Davao city and sakop nito project na ito dapat hanngang karatig bayan kaya mas pabor ako sa DIDP proposal nabuong Davao region.

thanks po i hope nakuha ninyo yung ibig kung sabihin =)

But tama ang ilan sa inyo dapat hindi lang Davao city and sakop nito project na ito dapat hanngang karatig bayan kaya mas pabor ako sa DIDP proposal nabuong Davao region.


Thnx jcb! :okay:

However, lemme stress it out again po...yung DAVAO CITY LRT is a project of the local government of DAVAO CITY (thats why hindi sakop ang other cities within Davao Region or Mindanao). Tapos may separate project din ang Davao Region which is the DAVAO LRT which would include the cities within Davao. Both have separate financers and investors. Davao City LRT will be financed by Marubeni. a Japanese firm (if plans would go through) while Davao Region LRT will be financed by MCC Capital, a UK based investor.

The Mindanao Railway on the other hand is a project of the National Government. Although, it is being pushed by a Dabawenyo, Congressman Nograles, walang pakialam sa budget and planning ang lokal na gobyerno ng Davao City.

To sum it all up, tatlo ang upcoming railway projects sa Mindanao.

- DAVAO CITY LRT by the local government of DAVAO CITY with financial assistance (if it would push through) from Marubeni Corporation, a Japanese firm which is behind LRT2 aka Megatren in Metro Manila.

- DAVAO REGION LRT under DIDP or Davao Integrated Development Plan which would cover areas in Davao Region in partnership with MCC Capital from UK (if plans would also go through).

- Mindanao Railway Project by the National Government. No investors yet.

Davao LRT ba yun?ok atleat mas malaki ang magnet ng investment ganundin yung Davao railway for the benifit of the people in Mindanao. isa pa mas maraming tourist din ang pupunta di ba?

kung ako lang masusunod eh railway system from La-Union to Tawi-tawi eh

Davao LRT ba yun?ok atleat mas malaki ang magnet ng investment ganundin yung Davao railway for the benifit of the people in Mindanao. isa pa mas maraming tourist din ang pupunta di ba?

yup yup yup...Davao LRT yun. quite confusing coz two have similar names. For the benefit of this discussion, let's rename the DIDP project as DAVAO REGION LRT and Mayor Duterte/ Marubeni's project as DAVAO CITY LRT.

kung ako lang masusunod eh railway system from La-Union to Tawi-tawi eh

ehehehehe...yung byaheng Manila to Bicol ang dating? :okay: that should be the project of the national government. Kaso, walang masyadong pakialam ang national government sa Davao when it comes to assisting us financially especially for infra projects. Kaya eto, Davao City and Davao Region are embracing the help of private investors instead. Kc if we would depend on the assistance from the national government, goodluck na lang! ehehehehhe

......above all it must generate local job and attract further investments.... :okay: :runaway:

Magandang Hapon sa lahat,Im jc from Rizal(province in the easthern part ng Metro Manila. im reasing your post and this is my comment and reaction.

LRT1,LRT2 And MRT 3
The government build them hindi para kumita lang kung hindi:

- To decongest traffic
- to make convinience to the people and make them more productive
- to increase investment or development in the area near in this transportation hub
- to lessen pollution

ang MRT eventough hindi siya kumikita pero yung ginhawa at tulong niya para sa tao sobrang laki even in lrt1 and 2.

ok pag-hindi rush hour sobrang luwag niya at kung hindi ako nag-kakamali depende sa dami ng tao ang mga coaches na tumatakbo.kung rudh hour ba o hindi.

CONSTRUCTION
For me dapat ng simulan dahil it takes year bago mo ito magamit.

around two to three year preparation for legel requirment, bidding, studies, consultation, right of way etc.

while the construction will take around 3-5 years kaya probably aorung 2010-2012 kaya come to think ang ginhawa nito sa mga taga-davao di ba.

ENVIRONMENT

sa tingin ko malaki tulong nito to lessen the air pollution sa davao dahil less car or puv sa kalye.

DEVELOPMENT

Dito sa manila ang mga main development dito eh yung malapit sa mga LRT/MRT dahil isa iyon sa mga advantage nila for labor force and investor.Even mall connected na sa mga LRT/MRT

PEOPLE

Ginhawa rin sa tao for example my strike o may bagyo dahil tuloy pa rin ang operation nila. Safe din sa Criminal mas kampante ka sumakay dahil alam mo safe ka. ganun din sa travel time sa akin dito i work in ermita,manila and i live in taytay,rizal it takes 3 hours just to go to may work and another 3 hour pauwi but when i ride LRT 2 from santolan pasig to recto manila it only take 1 1/2 hours(LRT 45 mins.) hindi ko alam ang sitwayon dyan sa Davao but i want to say is less travel time.

OTHER OPION

But tama ang ilan sa inyo dapat hindi lang Davao city and sakop nito project na ito dapat hanngang karatig bayan kaya mas pabor ako sa DIDP proposal nabuong Davao region.

thanks po i hope nakuha ninyo yung ibig kung sabihin =)

ayan nakuha ang point ko generate jobs and investment.

Im quite dissapionted lang dito sa manila dahil cancel ang Southrail at pati Northrail gustong ipakansel i dont know why bakit lahat ata ng Project ng China binabatikos specially Madrigal hindi kaya pakawala ito ng USA sorry OT na.hehehhe

^^ maganda yung proposal mo from Luzon to Tawi-Tawi haha

sa akin lang maganda mag travel sa countryside by train than the siksikan buses mas romantic ang train hehehe, di ba dapat may train na tayo even Burma have trains :)

Magandang Hapon sa lahat,Im jc from Rizal(province in the easthern part ng Metro Manila. im reasing your post and this is my comment and reaction.

LRT1,LRT2 And MRT 3
The government build them hindi para kumita lang kung hindi:

- To decongest traffic
- to make convinience to the people and make them more productive
- to increase investment or development in the area near in this transportation hub
- to lessen pollution

ang MRT eventough hindi siya kumikita pero yung ginhawa at tulong niya para sa tao sobrang laki even in lrt1 and 2.

ok pag-hindi rush hour sobrang luwag niya at kung hindi ako nag-kakamali depende sa dami ng tao ang mga coaches na tumatakbo.kung rudh hour ba o hindi.

CONSTRUCTION
For me dapat ng simulan dahil it takes year bago mo ito magamit.

around two to three year preparation for legel requirment, bidding, studies, consultation, right of way etc.

while the construction will take around 3-5 years kaya probably aorung 2010-2012 kaya come to think ang ginhawa nito sa mga taga-davao di ba.

ENVIRONMENT

sa tingin ko malaki tulong nito to lessen the air pollution sa davao dahil less car or puv sa kalye.

DEVELOPMENT

Dito sa manila ang mga main development dito eh yung malapit sa mga LRT/MRT dahil isa iyon sa mga advantage nila for labor force and investor.Even mall connected na sa mga LRT/MRT

PEOPLE

Ginhawa rin sa tao for example my strike o may bagyo dahil tuloy pa rin ang operation nila. Safe din sa Criminal mas kampante ka sumakay dahil alam mo safe ka. ganun din sa travel time sa akin dito i work in ermita,manila and i live in taytay,rizal it takes 3 hours just to go to may work and another 3 hour pauwi but when i ride LRT 2 from santolan pasig to recto manila it only take 1 1/2 hours(LRT 45 mins.) hindi ko alam ang sitwayon dyan sa Davao but i want to say is less travel time.

OTHER OPION

But tama ang ilan sa inyo dapat hindi lang Davao city and sakop nito project na ito dapat hanngang karatig bayan kaya mas pabor ako sa DIDP proposal nabuong Davao region.

thanks po i hope nakuha ninyo yung ibig kung sabihin =)

tumpakenensis! @jcb

as i have said, LRT is a catalyst for growth. from the conception up to the ribbon cutting, sasabay ang business. malay mo sa tabi ng isang LRT station mag tatayo ng mall ang isa ring investor na hinding hindi nya gagawin kung walang LRT project.

if we start the project now, we may ride the first LRT couch by the year 2014. ibig bang sabihin nito same pa rin ang business along the LRT line? eh kahit nga sa isang kanto pag may magtinda ng balut, buong kalye magiging balut street after a week. even the final conception of an LRT is already a business come on not only for local investors but for foreign companies as well. wala pang construction nangyayari dyan ha.

Anyway, sa City of San Fernando, Pampanga, may clean up day na gaganapin sa train station doon.

Copy of Philippine Fleetlist.pdf:

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/Philippine_Fleetlist.pdf

When is the clean up day? please post.

Thanks

Jaime

TJ, one can disagree without being disagreeable.
There are, of course, plus points to the LRT: a massive investment in the city, collateral activities (multiplier effect) esp. around the stations, good for the environment; one could go on.
The obvious flipside is the massive cost which will, eventually, be borne by the Davao taxpayer when the BOT runs out. I'd rather that our funds be spent on social services, especially education - my one great advocacy of where public funds should be going.
Grandiose projects bring prestige, but it is not the only channel through which foresight can be channeled into.

http://www.nscb.gov.ph/ru11/products/statwatch/provincial_stats.htm

On another note, the link above will show you the census population of Davao City in 2000: 1.147m. This, of course, excludes the commuting population outside of the city.
Now, if you impute the current 2008 population using the annual growth rate of 1995-2000 (2.83%), we would have 1.434m people by the end of the year. Note that the growth rates have been falling steadily and that may be an overstated figure. The 2007 census results should be out anytime soon but it's safe to say that the city itself is at around 1.5m million, give or take a few thousands.

in some point may tama si ifsstk kaya mas agree ako sa Davao Region LRT dahil mas malaki ang sakop niya not only Davao City but also other municipality and the burden na icacarry ay hindi naman malaki tama di ba!

actually Dinabaw its my dream i know na its imposible. ako yung tao na mahilig mag-imagine i love architecture, enginnering, construction etc.

Yun nga from La-Union to Tawi-tawi na railway system connected by suspension bridge or underground tunnel sa mga island sa Visayas.hehehehe. like for example from southrail sa Sorsogon mag-tatayo ng-bridge papuntang Samar then Leyte then Cebu tapos Bohol papuntang sa Mindanoa tapos ganun din papunta sa Tawi-tawi tapos may bridge na icoconect papuntang Sabah,Malaysia.

Sa La-Union idederetsosa Batanes papuntang Taiwan then diretso sa China.
hehehehe
guys dream ko lang yun ah

tumpakenensis! @jcb

as i have said, LRT is a catalyst for growth. from the conception up to the ribbon cutting, sasabay ang business. malay mo sa tabi ng isang LRT station mag tatayo ng mall ang isa ring investor na hinding hindi nya gagawin kung walang LRT project.

if we start the project now, we may ride the first LRT couch by the year 2014. ibig bang sabihin nito same pa rin ang business along the LRT line? eh kahit nga sa isang kanto pag may magtinda ng balut, buong kalye magiging balut street after a week. even the final conception of an LRT is already a business come on not only for local investors but for foreign companies as well. wala pang construction nangyayari dyan ha.

Point taken :okay:

There are, of course, plus points to the LRT: a massive investment in the city, collateral activities (multiplier effect) esp. around the stations, good for the environment; one could go on.
The obvious flipside is the massive cost which will, eventually, be borne by the Davao taxpayer when the BOT runs out. I'd rather that our funds be spent on social services, especially education - my one great advocacy of where public funds should be going.
Grandiose projects bring prestige, but it is not the only channel through which foresight can be channeled into.

Sana lang huwag masyadong maging mahal ang pamasahe, say P14 for the first 2-3 stations. That P7 difference between the lrt and PUJ fare (granting it will still be at P7 by the time lrt has started operation) is already a big dent to a minimum wage earner's meager daily budget.

The solution to this is for the national government to consider increasing the daily minimum wage being earned by the region if ever the time for lrt comes to fruition because with all the developments being brought about by the realization of that transport system as what @junax has pointed out, the standard of living will surely change dramatically as well. Sana the minimum wage will be increased to almost if not at par with NCR's.

Try harder to humor us Spearhead...it's not funny enough.


did u watch the video? the man warned the communist rebels (NPA) to stay away... that's where i got my idea.... ofcourse my bad joke wasn't funny, so learn how to be a real davaonian, show ur sportmanship!

cheers man! :cheers:

Sabi ni Digong two years ago, he wanted a simple commuter rail system similar to Taiwan LRT.

Taiwan LRT:
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i hope the government of davao build a similar LRT system like that one.

btw, to all of u fromd davao, waway is right. its not because we dont live there that doesn't mean our opinions are not valid. take for example about what i said earlier that the rebels might really hit this project like what they did in metro manila years before. im not praying for that situation to happen, but im just concern about that project to think that davao is even much closer in sulu and from south/north cotabato where many communist rebels are operating.

make no mistake, im not against to any wonderful and beneficial infrastructure projects around the philippines. i myself like to see the whole mindanao to be developed sooner than later and to see the end of war there ASAP.

be sport people. peace! :cheers:

did u watch the video? the man warned the communist rebels (NPA) to stay away... that's where i got my idea.... ofcourse my bad joke wasn't funny, so learn how to be a real davaonian, show ur sportmanship!

cheers man! :cheers:

What's accepting your joke as nothing but funny with being a real davaoeno? You are in Canada right now and you should know how to be politically correct with what comes out of your mouth.

i hope the government of davao build a similar LRT system like that one.

btw, to all of u fromd davao, waway is right. its not because we dont live there that doesn't mean our opinions are not valid. take for example about what i said earlier that the rebels might really hit this project like what they did in metro manila years before. im not praying for that situation to happen, but im just concern about that project to think that davao is even much closer in sulu and from south/north cotabato where many communist rebels are operating.

make no mistake, im not against to any wonderful and beneficial infrastructure projects around the philippines. i myself like to see the whole mindanao to be developed sooner than later and to see the end of war there ASAP.

be sport people. peace! :cheers:

See this is the whole point, this project is now in the planning stage and just waiting for the final stamp from the city council. What's with the opinion that are mostly borne out of mere mumbo jumbo. Yes there is risk to every project but this project's proponents should know risk management. You fear about your "imaginary" terrorist attack? How unfounded. If we as Davaoenos had that fear governing us along then we shouldn't have pushed thru with the new international airport, the expanded international seaport and what not because the renegade muslim rebels are out to wreck them. How sad...how cowardly..how very UNDAVAOENO!

tumpakenensis! @jcb

as i have said, LRT is a catalyst for growth. from the conception up to the ribbon cutting, sasabay ang business. malay mo sa tabi ng isang LRT station mag tatayo ng mall ang isa ring investor na hinding hindi nya gagawin kung walang LRT project.

if we start the project now, we may ride the first LRT couch by the year 2014. ibig bang sabihin nito same pa rin ang business along the LRT line? eh kahit nga sa isang kanto pag may magtinda ng balut, buong kalye magiging balut street after a week. even the final conception of an LRT is already a business come on not only for local investors but for foreign companies as well. wala pang construction nangyayari dyan ha.

Agree bai Junax!
As a matter of fact, and this is what I have gathered, some of the big businesses along the currenly under contruction Canada Line of the Skytrain in Vancouver poured out money from their own coffers just to set up a station fronting their establishment. Of course they had it incorporated in the planning and initiation stage of the project. I'm referring to the River Rock Casino Resort along Sea Island Way in Richmond, BC. See the photo here:


http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n233/davaoeagle/train.jpg
Looking west from Oak Street Bridge at Relocated CPR Tracks, Elevated Guideway Bents and west end of the OMC

Canada Line (http://http://www.canadaline.ca/gallery.asp?galleryGroup=10&CurrPage=10)

See this is the whole point, this project is now in the planning stage and just waiting for the final stamp from the city council. What's with the opinion that are mostly borne out of mere mumbo jumbo. Yes there is risk to every project but this project's proponents should know risk management. You fear about your "imaginary" terrorist attack? How unfounded. If we as Davaoenos had that fear governing us along then we shouldn't have pushed thru with the new international airport, the expanded international seaport and what not because the renegade muslim rebels are out to wreck them. How sad...how cowardly..how very UNDAVAOENO!

First of all, im hoping your right.

But for the sake of ths argument whether davao is safe fro any terorrist attacks or no, the problem with you is ignoring the reality of the situation in davao and in the fact that even your mayor is aware of any possible terrorrist attacks there that's why in the video, if u only seen it, he aired his concern and warn the NPAs to stay away. It may not be the muslim terrorrist who might sabotage ur LRT project in which i believe they instead would be happy to see some progress goin on their city, but it was these arrogant communist rebels who might stage some terrorrist attack there to derail your project in the name of marxism for their decades-long armed struggle.

Why? Kung tinitira ng mga rebelde ang mga foreign investments there and their projects, ano pa kaya ang isang "big deal" LRT project ng Davao? The fact is, Davao is also quite infested by the rebels and are blackmailing anyone in there. So IF your mayor chose not to pay any Revolutionary Taxes to the rebels, in worst scenario these pests will first toss a couple of grenades to ur costruction site to first inflict some damages and possibly wound some bystanders or workers, as a sign of their first blackmail reality threat!

davaoeagle you are the one who is not being realistic here and have this "imaginary" safe-free place of davao. IF the previous bombing in davao were staged by the military then you have this legitimate "imaginary" safe-free davao.

Read this link:
http://www.doj.gov.ph/news_03-05b-03.html

Was my bad joke had some truth behind it?

Afterall your mayor was right, and im sure he's not taking any risks and will not give these pests any room to derail their ambitious LRT.

Cheers man. :cheers:

First of all, im hoping your right.

But for the sake of ths argument whether davao is safe fro any terorrist attacks or no, the problem with you is ignoring the reality of the situation in davao and in the fact that even your mayor is aware of any possible terrorrist attacks there that's why in the video, if u only seen it, he aired his concern and warn the NPAs to stay away. It may not be the muslim terrorrist who might sabotage ur LRT project in which i believe they instead would be happy to see some progress goin on their city, but it was these arrogant communist rebels who might stage some terrorrist attack there to derail your project in the name of marxism for their decades-long armed struggle.

Why? Kung tinitira ng mga rebelde ang mga foreign investments there and their projects, ano pa kaya ang isang "big deal" LRT project ng Davao? The fact is, Davao is also quite infested by the rebels and are blackmailing anyone in there. So IF your mayor chose not to pay any Revolutionary Taxes to the rebels, in worst scenario these pests will first toss a couple of grenades to ur costruction site to first inflict some damages and possibly wound some bystanders or workers, as a sign of their first blackmail reality threat!

davaoeagle you are the one who is not being realistic here and have this "imaginary" safe-free place of davao. IF the previous bombing in davao were staged by the military then you have this legitimate "imaginary" safe-free davao.

Read this link:
http://www.doj.gov.ph/news_03-05b-03.html

Was my bad joke had some truth behind it?

Afterall your mayor was right, and im sure he's not taking any risks and will not give these pests any room to derail their ambitious LRT.

Cheers man. :cheers:

For crying outloud spearhead why do you have to single out Davao with all this non-sense. Are you trying to say that we don't have to build modern infra because there's always that hovering fear over our head of a terrorist attack? And with the NPAs, I hope you have read your on line newspapers enough that this headache is not pestering only Davao but the whole of the country. What did you want the Filipinos to do, hide under their dining table and wait 'till their supposed imaginary fear takes off? Do we have to drop everything because what we might accomplice is just gonna go down the drain? Maybe that small town thinking is now a thing of the past with the Davaoenos.

If you looked closely at the video, the mayor was asking the NPAs to inch their way out farther from the city and he said it in jest. We know know how it is in Davao and how the mayor can shoo NPAs away with his sarcastic smile. The NPAs had history with him dating back 20 years ago when these communist rebels were wiped out from their turfs in the region. That is the same reason why I myself don't believe NPAs are a threat to our city. The mayor has the might to annihilate these outlaws at his own volition.

I just don't get why you keep on harping about bombings and terrorist incidents in Davao. Why? And you got the nerve to ask me if there was any truth to the joke that it ticked me off. Tell me what motive you have to remind us of those bombings. Are you just one of those green -eyed monsters around?

Now, since you don't have anything good to say, leave Davao alone.

i hope the government of davao build a similar LRT system like that one.

btw, to all of u fromd davao, waway is right. its not because we dont live there that doesn't mean our opinions are not valid. take for example about what i said earlier that the rebels might really hit this project like what they did in metro manila years before. im not praying for that situation to happen, but im just concern about that project to think that davao is even much closer in sulu and from south/north cotabato where many communist rebels are operating.

make no mistake, im not against to any wonderful and beneficial infrastructure projects around the philippines. i myself like to see the whole mindanao to be developed sooner than later and to see the end of war there ASAP.

be sport people. peace! :cheers:


btw i'd like to correct this statement , Sulu & Tawi-Tawi Archipelago is closer to some island of Visayas , remember the Palawan incident ?:)

^^ actually davao is as near as negros, cebu and bohol from basilan and jolo. at mas madali nilang ma access thru sea ang visayas via zamboanga/negros than davao city via gensan and davao gulf. pero the perception set up by the trimedia is parang davao city is jolo and whatever that explodes in jolo is felt by davao. kung iisipin lang sana nila na 400 kilometers ang layo ng basilan sa davao city pero kung i portray ng news parang ang lapit lang, i google earth nyo from makati tapos i ruler nyo ang 400 kilometer radius halos aabot na ng batanes sa north at palawan or leyte sa south yan, pero kung may patayan sa cordillera sasabihin ba sa news na LUZON? ganyan din sana sa davao kaya lang MINDANAO na kaagad ang tirada kahit sa jolo lang may gyera eh. and about the rebels, san ba sa pilipinas ang walang rebelde? kahit nga sa makati meron. shucks.

OT na pero that's some good point to ponder, now balik sa davao LRT hehe.

^^
What's the issue with Davao being close to tawi-tawi? For me, that is totally a non-issue to the discussion of having a LRT system in Davao. I think the author wants to point out something na hindi niya pwedeng sabihin ng diretsahan.

When is the clean up day? please post.

Thanks

Jaime

Maglilinis sila sa buong lungsod, mukha yatang priority nila yung train station. Nakita ko lang sa calendar of activities noong Maleldo 2008.

^^

as i have said a few pages ago....

when the lrt is a done deal na, the phase out of the jeepneys will start. in short kung wala nang mga jeeps, then the people will be riding the lrt na.

such is the price of development...

Maglilinis sila sa buong lungsod, mukha yatang priority nila yung train station. Nakita ko lang sa calendar of activities noong Maleldo 2008.

Thanks. We intend to go to San Fernando, Pampanga to help clean the station. I hope the cleaning will be done on a weekend.

As promised, we posted pictures of our field trip to Hondagua last Saturday. Please view part I of the report.

http://blog.rihspi.org/2008/03/plaridel-quezon-side-trip-part-i.html

http://blog.rihspi.org/2008/03/old-train-station-of-atimonan-quezon.html

We will complete the posting of the pictures as soon as possible.

Cheers,

Jaime

again: Cant wait for this project. i hope it go through smoothly.

Toril to Lasang may be enough IMO. So we can bypass the hedious Panacan traffic IMO again.:)

I am quite shocked by the ignorance of the non-Davaoenos in this thread.
Granted that we may be a terrorist target, but isn't Metro Manila too? New York? London? Tel Aviv? That is never a prerequisite for building social infrastructure - which I consider this to be notwithstanding my opposition to it being built. The prerequisite is a sufficient need - precisely the starting point which I think is not there yet.
For those non-Davaoenos in this thread, kindly browse over the crime rates per capita of the Philippine cities and be dismayed by how unruly say, Metro Manila, is.
Also, it pays dividends to go travel and see a place for yourself and juxtapose that with your presuppositions.

^^ i totally agree! the "attacks" that happened here is uncomparable from terrorist attacks in MM from LRT & the ill fated ship that was sunked somewhere in Visayan sea it took more than a year to declare it was a terrorists attack , a cover-up ? how about Glorietta , is this another cover-up?

dinabaw hindi sa Visayas yun manila bay yung Super Ferry Attack.hehehe

akala ko ba financial lang ang problema dito bakit may lumabas na isa pang issue