^^Thank you for sharing the pics & video @Jaime!... I hope you guys had a great time in our province... more pics & vids please!

I hope you were able to take a pic of the railway near the Philippine Flour Mill and Hondagua port... BTW that one pic shows a nice parkway --- it will surely catch the interest of the modelers here...:lol:

That bridge looks very much the same as the one in Lucena City (crossing Iyam River), exept that the one on your video was a bit longer in span... riding on those skates/sleds/trolleys, one "wrong" mistake and surely one will learn about the law of gravity... :crazy2::hahaha:

Well, there you go Brad... those skates/sleds/trolleys will surely satisfy your palate...:)

The issue on terrorist threats popped up only when spearhead was harping hardly on it as if that kind of risk is only imminent in Davao when it`s true to every city in the Philippines.

I hope you were able to take a pic of the railway near the Philippine Flour Mill and Hondagua port... BTW that one pic shows a nice parkway --- it will surely catch the interest of the modelers here...:lol:


Well, there you go Brad... those skates/sleds/trolleys will surely satisfy your palate...:)

Hiya Lucentino,
Perhaps you can answer the question I keep putting to Jaime (Jafiti) since you are a local.
Is the port right next to the railway line, or some distance away with a branch line, and is there much in the way of sidings serving (well, that served anyway) it?

Yep, love my sleds. Have often joked with my mate Bill about replicating one out here, or perhaps just smuggling one back into the country :-)
I wonder if we could design one for standard gauge use here :lol: I imagine for the heavy loads they take it would need more cross way bracing.

Regards
Brad

Copy of Philippine Fleetlist.pdf:

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/Philippine_Fleetlist.pdf

This be my listing.
The 2500 class section may be a little out of date now as I have heard some locomotives had been scrapped at Caloocan during 2007, after my visit in March.
It is likely these were the ones listed as 'Beyond Economical Repair' however I am hoping someone will be able to go there at some stage and make a listing of all that still exists.
Anyone feel like a Caloocan visit? I have two railway friends in the Philippines but both, while near Manila, are very busy. Something I can fully relate to sometimes :lol:

Brad

It's sad when filipinos itself shoot at our own foot.I may not be from Davao or have been there (Hopefully someday),but I know it is a very safe city.It would not be voted the safest city in the Philippines for consecutive years if it wasn't true.Quality of life per se,It's one of the best in the country.If I had enough money to survive in our country,Davao is one of the city that I'll consider living in.I don't believe those silly travel advisories that First world countries issue on our country anyway.

Well, there you go Brad... those skates/sleds/trolleys will surely satisfy your palate...:)

A belated thought.
If anyone comes across one of these motorised sleds and has a camera on them I would certainly enjoy seeing some close up shots of the motorized sections.
I'm curious as to how they manage to transfer the power from the engine to the small wheels usually used. Or are the wheels somewhat different on these.
I am told they can get up a reasonable rate of speed.

Brad

I don't believe those silly travel advisories that First world countries issue on our country anyway.

They are a tad strange.
These advisories are sometimes issued here by the Aussie government and really scare people into an opinion on the Philippines (and elsewhere) that is actually far removed from actual fact.
You tell some Aussie you are going to the Philippines and their jaw drops open. They then usually come out with some enquiry along the lines of "Wow thats a very unsafe place to be - all the terrorists and bombings".

It is very sad that this is the impression that is given by the media and through government advisories. It is even sadder than people who are travel ignorant just choose to believe what they are told.

Oh well, it dosen't stop us Aussies, who love the Philippines and know the truth, enjoying it :)

Cheers
Brad

^^ thanks alcogoodwin. those who are so paranoid about terrorism, the so called terror disciples, were the ones feeding the ideals of terrorists. sometimes, those who are so paranoid with terrorism ended getting killed in other ways unthinkable. which bring me to the phrase, "kung oras mo na, oras mo na talaga." i am not saying we have to act like war journalists and brave the imminent danger in the battlefield. we just have to live normally to beat terrorism and think that terrorists operate in random, as random as getting hit by a wayward bus. who's afraid of the street terrorists called "jeepneys" anyway?

about the mayor's warning to the NPA, wala namang dapat palakihin dyan. pareho lang yan kung sakaling mag sabi ang mayor ng newyork about sa project ngayon sa ground zero, "terrorists stay away from this project". simple, warning lang kasi naka experience na eh. pero di ibig sabihin imminent danger talaga at walang ginagawa ang both governments to prevent it.

back to topic, davao LRT (the citywide) IMO is more realistic than any other railway projects because it is an undertaking by the local government of davao. once the city council and marubeni put everything in place, the ball starts rolling. let's just leave all the feasibility studies to the concerned parties, all we have to do is hope for the best. afterall kahit sabihin pa nating hindi feasible tapos sasabihin nang marubeni sa mukha natin, "sino ba kayo para sabihing hindi feasible i nag propose na nga kami to build it at our own expense, ano kami hilo?" :)

dinabaw hindi sa Visayas yun manila bay yung Super Ferry Attack.hehehe

akala ko ba financial lang ang problema dito bakit may lumabas na isa pang issue

well it got out of hand when some people here made this a "security issue" back to topic .

Ang terrorist attack ay hindi lang naman sa Mindanao di ba? meron tayon tinatawag na

Rizal Day Bombing happen in Philippines
Madrid bombing sa Spain
London Bombing sa UK
and worst eh 9/11 attack sa USA

Mga bansang nakaranas ng terror attack o may terror threat o may nag attemt
Indonesia
Malaysia
Palestine
Israel
Afghanistan(War zone)
Irag(War zone)
China(Olympic terror attack)
Germany(munich massacare)
Spain
Lebanon
Japan
Egypt
Russia
USA
UK
Turkey
Iran
Pakistan
India
KSA
Philippines
at marami pang iba

bakit ko inilist out to? to show to some of our friends na ang terror attack ay hindi lang sa mindanao kung hindi sa buong mundo beside bakit ba may terrorist di ba dahil sa USA
Guys OT na ito.

Sabihin natin may threat dito pero kung mag-hihigpit ng security at mag-iingat di ba maiiwasan natin ito like for example ang mga nang-yari sa Iloilo International airport diba sinalakay pero ano operational na ngayon ganun din yun Subic,Clarck Tarlac Expressway.Besides MILF or other muslim group ay matutuwa dahil hindi pala pinababayaan ng Imperial Manila ang mindanao or atleast may mga taga-mindanao ang nag-initiative for the development of this island.Bka maiwasan pa ang kaguluhan di ba?

^^ case closed.

now back to topic...

imagine this as ulas station... ewan ko lang kung hindi magtayo ng NCCC mall si pareng penghok dito hehehe.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Taiwan_HighSpeedRail_TaiChung_Station_Night.JPG/800px-Taiwan_HighSpeedRail_TaiChung_Station_Night.JPG


ok lang din kung hindi light rail kung ganito naman ang loob...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/THSR_train_17.jpg/800px-THSR_train_17.jpg

^^ naxju airport terminal & aeroplano naman yan hehe

maganda lang kaunti nito ang station ok na, para hindi naman magastos .

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/78/120f70e7ds8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nope, sa taiwan LRT station yan.

kung ganyan ang station, sa kalabaw na lang ako sasakay hahaha

^^
Hahahaha!

Anyway, dapat malaki yung station to accommodate poultry and livestock! :lol:

Hiya Lucentino,
Perhaps you can answer the question I keep putting to Jaime (Jafiti) since you are a local.
Is the port right next to the railway line, or some distance away with a branch line, and is there much in the way of sidings serving (well, that served anyway) it?

Yep, love my sleds. Have often joked with my mate Bill about replicating one out here, or perhaps just smuggling one back into the country :-)
I wonder if we could design one for standard gauge use here :lol: I imagine for the heavy loads they take it would need more cross way bracing.

Regards
Brad

Hi Brad,

Your first question: Yes the port is being served by the railway line. They have a triangle and the station sits on one corner. Will post pictures tonight!

Sleds where really fast especially going back to Plaridel which is downhill all the way.

Jaime

Hi Brad,

Your first question: Yes the port is being served by the railway line. They have a triangle and the station sits on one corner. Will post pictures tonight!

Sleds where really fast especially going back to Plaridel which is downhill all the way.

Jaime

^^ Nice Photos Jaime. Thank you very much. It seems that the tracks were still ok. Needs only to clear the sides.

Many thanks....:banana::banana::banana:

Hi Friends,

Found time to upload Hondagua images. Please visit:

http://blog.rihspi.org/2008/03/hondagua.html

Jaime

More pictures here.

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2008/03/hondagua-visit.html

Jaime

saw some hanjin workers shoveling away the dirt in between the rails in the sta. mesa area. :) hope its a sign of progress with the sta mesa station. :)

To all the critics of the rail projects in the Philippines, read this and take note on how the Philippine government and its private constructors do the job, even with a bidding.
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DPWH project delays cost P5.7B


By Jocelyn Uy
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:09:00 01/03/2008


MANILA, Philippines -- Too much business left unfinished at the Department of Public Works and Highways is bleeding the national coffers dry, according to the Commission on Audit.

In its 2006 audit report on the DPWH, the COA said that the agency’s project costs were bloated by P5.708 billion because of delays in the implementation of and payment for road projects and failure to stick to the schedule in the procurement process.

Among the contracts that the COA identified as having overstretched the department’s budget are the Suyo-Cervantes road project in Ilocos Sur and Benguet provinces; the Aurora Monte Alegre Junction Road and Monte Alegre Junction-Molave Road project in Zamboanga del Sur; the Metro Manila Control Project-West of Manggahan Floodway; the Agno River Flood Control project in Pangasinan, and the replacement of five bridges in Bulacan.

According to the COA, the government would have saved some P3.6 billion if the 21 projects under the DPWH’s “construction in progress” accounts had been awarded on time to contractors.

It noted that the contract package for the road rehabilitation project in Ilocos Sur and Benguet were advertised on Dec. 24, 2003. However, the bidding took place only on April 12, 2005, and the awarding on Jan. 23, 2006.

Meanwhile, the contract package for the Zamboanga del Sur projects under the Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic Development (KFAED) was advertised on July 27, 1999. The bidding was held three years after on Sept. 24, 2002, and the awarding on March 27, 2003.

Project cost up by 63%

The two-year delay in the implementation of the Metro Manila Flood Control Project-West of Manggahan Floodway has increased the project cost by 63 percent -- from P3.1 billion to P5.1 billion.

The mega-dike, which measures 9.8 km from Bicutan in Taguig City to Taytay in Rizal province, is designed to mitigate flood damage from Laguna lake. It was supposed to have been finished in six and a half years from the time it was started in 1998.

The DPWH said squatters were the major cause of the delay in the construction of the mega-dike.

The COA report also noted that the department had paid out a total of P62.08 million more to various contractors for 48 projects because of late payment of billings and claims.

The 48 projects fall under the department’s Preventive Maintenance, First National Roads Improvement and Management Project, Structural Overlay Component of Sixth Road and the KFAED programs.

“Considering that the government is now facing a budget deficit/shortage, the amount could have been spent for other priority government projects,” the COA report said.

Slow mobilization of loans

The DPWH also incurred commitment fees for the same projects worth P17.376 million because of the slow mobilization of loan proceeds.

Commitment fees are paid to a bank in exchange for the bank’s agreement to grant a loan at a later date.

The government also incurred more unnecessary expenditures when the contractor for the Agno River Flood Control Project claimed a price adjustment of P16.9 million because of the delay in the procurement process.

“Evaluation of documents showed that the bidding date was on Dec. 13, 2001, and the date of notice to proceed was on Nov. 18, 2003 -- a total of 715 calendar days which is beyond the permissible days,” said the report.

The COA warned that this could cause funding problems in the future once the period of the loan is closed for this particular project.

In still another case, the contract for Package 4 of the Bongabon-Baler Road Improvement Project traversing the provinces of Aurora and Nueva Ecija indicated “contingencies and day-works items,” incurring charges of some P12 million for the government.

Idle time for equipment

The COA noted that no breakdown of the sum was supplied for it to determine what specific items in the contract carried contingencies.

A total of P14 million in claims for idle time of equipment, manpower and maintenance of three infrastructure projects -- the replacement of five bridges in Bulacan, the Aurora Monte Alegre Junction-Molave Road phase of the Zamboanga del Sur project and the construction of the Agno River Flood Control dike -- was also charged to the government, the report said.

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Hai, a terrible waste of taxpayers' money, these projects are the ones that should be investigated by Senate.

the blumentritt station has already been de-ghettoed completely.. i will post pics promise... :)

^^
Blumentritt cleaned up!Super!:banana::banana::banana:

wow! Thanks Jaime.

Ganda pala sa Hondagua. Scenic! Kung madevelop yan, pwede maging tourist spot.. :D

wow! Thanks Jaime.

Ganda pala sa Hondagua. Scenic! Kung madevelop yan, pwede maging tourist spot.. :D

Hi el... wow! It's been such a wonderful day today. A lot of good news, especially the cleaned up Blumentritt Station. Wow!!! I really love this place man. It's the first time to see PNR tracks absolutely free from any squatters. The chance of reconnection between LRT and PNR Station is already coming in...:banana:

wow! Thanks Jaime.

Ganda pala sa Hondagua. Scenic! Kung madevelop yan, pwede maging tourist spot.. :D

^^ Any updates from Buendia, Pasay and Vito Cruz Station cconstruction? Last week i had a chance to talk to my friend who is working in an office just beside the tracks there in Makati. He said the workers keeps on clearing and widening the tracks in the whole section of Makati. Did they already started the clearing and in what way they are doing that? I mean are they planting trees and making landscapes for the spaces the PNR is not using? :):):)

the blumentritt station has already been de-ghettoed completely.. i will post pics promise... :)

^^ Wow!!! Thank you man... Can you post it na... dali!!!! coz were so excited na ..... :cheers::cheers::cheers:

^^ Any updates from Buendia, Pasay and Vito Cruz Station cconstruction? Last week i had a chance to talk to my friend who is working in an office just beside the tracks there in Makati. He said the workers keeps on clearing and widening the tracks in the whole section of Makati. Did they already started the clearing and in what way they are doing that? I mean are they planting trees and making landscapes for the spaces the PNR is not using? :):):)

Base on my recons the past weeks, they are clearing the tracks (from Pasay road up to San Andres).. Yesterday, I had a chance to jog dun sa me buendia area. I noticed na parang aayusin na nila yung isang (track) bridge dun sa tapat ng cash and carry. Napansin ko na yung katabi niyang bridge eh made of concrete pero yung aayusin eh made of steel and wood (so gagawin na siyang concrete).

Base on my recons the past weeks, they are clearing the tracks (from Pasay road up to San Andres).. Yesterday, I had a chance to jog dun sa me buendia area. I noticed na parang aayusin na nila yung isang (track) bridge dun sa tapat ng cash and carry. Napansin ko na yung katabi niyang bridge eh made of concrete pero yung aayusin eh made of steel and wood (so gagawin na siyang concrete).

^^ Bah!!! Tha't extremely ok... Alam ko yun sa may cash and carry, medyo lubog ng kaunti ang bridge doon... We'll nice naman if they will replace it na. How about the sides? nag start na ba ang landscaping? I want to see the right of way na mukhang garden and dating... eh he he...

Blumentritt Station... Those were the days...:)

http://lonelytraveler.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/imgp1327.jpg

^^ What kind of clearing are they doing anyway? The same thing with that of Jaime's Photo at Paco Station or some kind of a track renewal. It' really better if they can rip it all and relay the tracks. Even if they will reuse the old ones, fixing the foundation is far more confident...:)

They just clearing the tracks of unwanted weeds, rocks, etc. As of today, no track renewals.. I'm also waiting for this kasi me napapansin ako sa mga tracks na me mga kulang or loose na bolts dun sa me buendia area.

Hi Friends,

On the way back from Alabang yesterday, we observed that the demolition of informal settlers along PNR row near the C5 exit already started.

Jaime

Hi Friends,

On the way back from Alabang yesterday, we observed that the demolition of informal settlers along PNR row near the C5 exit already started.

Jaime

That's the good news indeed. The last time I've there, actually there's a lot more squatters present. If I'm not mistaken that was the San Martin De Porres area of Paranaque. Then if all goes well, in a matter of days the 11km super straight tracks from Paco Curve to Bicutan will be totally cleared already from slums.

But Im very possitive that there's so much development happened already at the Inner Bicutan. That was from Bicutan to Sucat. Any updates would be highly appreciated.

All in all, the relocations in following areas are about to be completed in a matter of days.

1. Tayuman to Blumentritt (2km)... Many says almost completely cleared.
2. Laon-Laan to Espanya (2km)... Only 15m were cleared. Those retained are the elite squatters they call.
3. Sta. Mesa to San Martin de Porres to Bicutan (18km)... Nearing Completion..
4. Bicutan to Sucat (5km)... Very positive developments currently happening.
5. Sucat to Alabang (5km)... Relocation soon

thanks guys for the great updates! like you im one of the people who really like to see these two projects come to fruition..

thanks guys for the great updates! like you im one of the people who really like to see these two projects come to fruition..



You're welcome stephen. :)

wow! Thanks Jaime.

Ganda pala sa Hondagua. Scenic! Kung madevelop yan, pwede maging tourist spot.. :D

yup maganda nga dun. if i'm not mistaken, sa hondagua ang pnr station kung san yung bicol bound at manila bound trains eh nagkikita at lululusot. medyo malaki kz yung station at mahaba yung side tracks (yun ba tawag dun, sorry guys :lol:)...i remember honduaga kz nung papunta na kami manila, yung train namin baliktad ang orientation, patalikod yung mga upuan...:lol:

went to taguig yesterday, saw that the informal settlers (what a politically correct statement :lol:) along the c5 exit section eh medyo cleared na, pati dun sa magallanes exit ng skyway, though meh mga iba pa andun. maybe this is what they call the elite squatters hehehe. it's really nice to see the tracks cleared of shanties.

going to candelaria last thursday, i noticed that the pnr crossing at san pablo city near the franklin baker company was already covered with asphalt. kung meh dumaan na tren dun, siguradong diskaril yun. ay pati pala samin dito sa lb laguna, yun sa meh station ng pnr, nag asphalt overlay na din sa riles.

^yep nalagyan na ng asphalt yun. For the meantime naman yun since wala pa naman development from Alabang to Legaspi tsaka wala na din nadaan na tren. Pero kung dun sa loob ng bayan, hindi naman inaspalto yung crossing dun sa rizal avenue. pati rin yung papuntang Calauan. :)

^yep nalagyan na ng asphalt yun. For the meantime naman yun since wala pa naman development from Alabang to Legaspi tsaka wala na din nadaan na tren. Pero kung dun sa loob ng bayan, hindi naman inaspalto yung crossing dun sa rizal avenue. pati rin yung papuntang Calauan. :)

^^ hi el... kumusta na dyan... meron na bang bubong sa buendia station. I hope meron na so they can proceed to other stations.

^yep nalagyan na ng asphalt yun. For the meantime naman yun since wala pa naman development from Alabang to Legaspi tsaka wala na din nadaan na tren. Pero kung dun sa loob ng bayan, hindi naman inaspalto yung crossing dun sa rizal avenue. pati rin yung papuntang Calauan. :)

pero ok na din, para hindi muna sagabal sa daloy ng trapik. hindi kaya ninanakaw na ng mga tao yung riles kz matagal nang alang byahe?

OT: buses that ply the sta cruz - manila v.v. route still stop at the tracks and let the conductors scan the tracks to see any approaching trains. baka meh biglang sumulpot hehe. mabuti na din.:)

For those of you who haven't seen the pictures of the 2004 Padre Burgos PNR derailment please visit link below:

http://www.pbase.com/isao/train


Jaime

Court hearings vs NorthRail project set


By Tetch Torres
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 15:46:00 03/26/2008


MANILA, Philippines -- A motion for reconsideration filed by the North Luzon Railways Corp. against a local court’s decision to hear a case that questioned the constitutionality of its contract with the Chinese government has been dismissed, paving the way for hearings on the issue.

“The motion for reconsideration filed by the defendant is denied for lack of merit,” said Judge Cesar Sta. Maria of Branch 145 of the Makati City regional trial court.

Sta. Maria set hearings on May 7 and 23 to allow petitioners, lawyers from the University of the Philippines, to present evidence in support of their request for an injunction on the $550 million North Luzon Railways project.

Controversy over the NorthRail project surfaced after a Senate investigation into another Chinese funded project, the national broadband network project, revealed that former Speaker Jose de Venecia had lobbied aggressively for the Caloocan-to-Malolos rail line.

De Venecia’s son, Jose “Joey” de Venecia III, had exposed alleged corruption in the $329 million NBN contract during the Senate inquiry, linking First Gentleman Jose Miguel Arroyo and allies of the Arroyo administration in the supposed scam.

The young De Venecia’s expose led to a falling out between President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and the older De Venecia that eventually resulted in his ouster as Speaker and president of the ruling Lakas-Christian Muslim Democrats.

I hate the Senate and JDV, kung saan nagsisimula na ang project, they will call for and investigation. They should have done this before.

^^ Its all in aide of Grand Standing and Sour Graping, nothing more, nothing less. Its so sad a few selfish individuals can easily delay or cancel much needed projects like these. :ohno:

^^ Its all in aide of Grand Standing and Sour Graping, nothing more, nothing less. Its so sad a few selfish individuals can easily delay or cancel much needed projects like these. :ohno:

^^ I saw the preliminary design of the alignment from Caloocan to Bigaa (Balagtas) of Northrail Phase 1. This project is really a showcase. The infrastructure is so massive specially at the section of Valenzuela Viaduct. The enbankment is so wide and the privacy and security of the rail line is very much contained and secured by 3 meter walls.

If there's a chance to regenerate the fax to AutoCAD, we'll we can view it very likely. I'll try to redraw it and show to you guys...

That's the good news indeed. The last time I've there, actually there's a lot more squatters present. If I'm not mistaken that was the San Martin De Porres area of Paranaque. Then if all goes well, in a matter of days the 11km super straight tracks from Paco Curve to Bicutan will be totally cleared already from slums.

But Im very possitive that there's so much development happened already at the Inner Bicutan. That was from Bicutan to Sucat. Any updates would be highly appreciated.

All in all, the relocations in following areas are about to be completed in a matter of days.

1. Tayuman to Blumentritt (2km)... Many says almost completely cleared.
2. Laon-Laan to Espanya (2km)... Only 15m were cleared. Those retained are the elite squatters they call.
3. Sta. Mesa to San Martin de Porres to Bicutan (18km)... Nearing Completion..
4. Bicutan to Sucat (5km)... Very positive developments currently happening.
5. Sucat to Alabang (5km)... Relocation soon

Do you know where will be the new location of the Sucal to Alabang tracks?

^^Thank you for sharing the pics & video @Jaime!... I hope you guys had a great time in our province... more pics & vids please!

Well, there you go Brad... those skates/sleds/trolleys will surely satisfy your palate...:)

We had a great time in Quezon.

In Quezon and I believe up to Bicol they call it "skate" (and not sled) which is the more appropriate and etymologically correct.

I do not know why some call it sled... Sled is a vehicle with runners for sliding instead of wheels for rolling. PNR uses "skate" in their reports.

^^
Blumentritt cleaned up!Super!:banana::banana::banana:

Glad to see they are finally getting through this area. Man that must have been a removal job.
Hope someone got to save that historic concrete 'Engine Stop' sign for preservation. It was way old and the only example I have seen.

Brad

Do you know where will be the new location of the Sucal to Alabang tracks?

I think you will find it is the squatters and not the tracks being relocated. The railway will remain exactly where it is, but hopefully not in the condition it is in.

Brad

Agggghhhh - Looked way better before :lol:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pm1225

I do not know why some call it sled... Sled is a vehicle with runners for sliding instead of wheels for rolling. PNR uses "skate" in their reports.

Jaime

Interesting.
So these are actually fashioned with railway type wheels. Presumably these have to be manufactured themselves?
Is it then a chain drive to the axles?

Brad

Jaime

Interesting.
So these are actually fashioned with railway type wheels. Presumably these have to be manufactured themselves?
Is it then a chain drive to the axles?

Brad

Some uses railway type wheels like this one:

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2007/11/pnr-inspection-car.html

and this one

http://bp1.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/R-jXkeFOjRI/AAAAAAAAAnc/COD0hM9_YxI/s1600-h/IMG_3468.JPG


They use automotive belts.

So definitely not a sled. Poor Santa...

Jaime

Philippines 2000

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2318/2271140639_a6afda8694_b.jpg

Agggghhhh - Looked way better before :lol:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pm1225

which loco are we looking at? :lol:

Some uses railway type wheels like this one:

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2007/11/pnr-inspection-car.html

and this one

http://bp1.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/R-jXkeFOjRI/AAAAAAAAAnc/COD0hM9_YxI/s1600-h/IMG_3468.JPG


They use automotive belts.

So definitely not a sled. Poor Santa...

Jaime


Some locals in Lucena call them "trolleys"... I think Brad used to quote it as sleds... as long as it pertains to that type of (unsafe) transport, no big deal to me... :)

Most of them have customized breaking system too...

Those wheels look like car's mag wheels to me... a Rota perhaps?

Jaime

Interesting.
So these are actually fashioned with railway type wheels. Presumably these have to be manufactured themselves?
Is it then a chain drive to the axles?

Brad

@Jaime is correct.. they use automotive belts and not chain on the drive unit... The former being more practical, cheap and quiet as compared to the latter... but I believe chain is more efficient than belts in terms of power transmission.

Visit Quezon Province, and have one customized for you to bring to Australia mate!... just be specific about the rail gauge you will use it in... :lol:


As @Jaime have said, there was a rail link to the Hondagua port... I just dont know if it was serviceable...

Some locals in Lucena call them "trolleys"... I think Brad used to quote it as sleds... as long as it pertains to that type of (unsafe) transport, no big deal to me... :)

Most of them have customized breaking system too...

Those wheels look like car's mag wheels to me... a Rota perhaps?

In Laguna, they call it trolley too. But these "trolley" are different compared to the one in quezon.

Please view link below for Laguna trolleys

http://bp2.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/RuvO85-qTaI/AAAAAAAAAQw/cCdLdQV5DNk/s1600-h/IMG_1323.JPG

As I have said no "sleds" here.

Jaime

^^Exactly!...

"Trolleys" are non-powered transport (pushed manually --- although some has now evolved to have engines), used often as a short distance transport for people (1-2 passengers) and hauling of goods... they are mostly designed for light loading only (the wheels are made from small bearings) --- trolleys are used mostly (in Lucena) as inter-barangay transport in the far flung areas of the city...

While, as PNR has called it, "Skates" are for long distance, heavy loading and powered vehicles...

"Sleds" to me sounded like the ones being pulled by the Goofies, and Plutos (not to mention bobsleds for the olympics!)... while "Sleigh" is for the Rudolphs...

IMHO:)

^^Exactly!...

"Sleds" to me sounded like the ones being pulled by the Goofies, and Plutos (not to mention bobsleds for the olympics!)... while "Sleigh" is for the Rudolphs...

IMHO:)

Yup! We call sleds here "paragos". Please visit link below for picture of Philippine sled.

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo560678.htm

Jaime

which loco are we looking at? :lol:

ICTSI #1
Used on ICTSI container service from Laguna to Manila port.

Brad

Some uses railway type wheels like this one:

http://lagunarailways.rihspi.org/2007/11/pnr-inspection-car.html

and this one

http://bp1.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/R-jXkeFOjRI/AAAAAAAAAnc/COD0hM9_YxI/s1600-h/IMG_3468.JPG


They use automotive belts.

So definitely not a sled. Poor Santa...

Jaime

Thanks mate.
That PNR one is a mean looking machine. How awesome would a trip from Manila to Legaspi be in that. Probably quite viable with a lot of fuel and good brakes incase washed out sections appear by surprise :-)

Ultimately I suspect names would all be localised. There certainly wouldn't be an official name because, well, they were never officially made, just a clever Filipino Invention (or adaption - we will never truly be sure on this though) of similar item around the world.
Regardless of what they are called, it will be sad to see this wonderful piece of Phil rail history disappear when modernisation comes through.

I think my mate Bill had a great idea in preserving these things for tourist runs along the port line if it never sees use again. Could possibly be the last genuine piece of pre-moderisation PNR that could be still experienced.

When we were organising the original group and talking about getting the Carmona line, I was all for the idea of preserving a shantytown atmosphere along part of the line as part of a full Filipino experience for prospecting tourist travellers. Certainly could be a good business enterprise for anyone wishing to go the length to arrange a whole lot of Philippine entertainment both on board and off the train.

Brad

^^Exactly!...

"Trolleys" are non-powered transport (pushed manually --- although some has now evolved to have engines), used often as a short distance transport for people (1-2 passengers) and hauling of goods... they are mostly designed for light loading only (the wheels are made from small bearings) --- trolleys are used mostly (in Lucena) as inter-barangay transport in the far flung areas of the city...

IMHO:)

Actually, the most common use of the word trolleys (in a transport context) is what both us Aussies and Filipinos call trams or even light rail. They are very much powered, usually by overhead lines.

Again it is all localised with people in different areas using different terms.

Oh how I would dearly love a history book on the rise and development of those things over there. It would have to be a near impossible research topic though.

Brad

In Laguna, they call it trolley too. But these "trolley" are different compared to the one in quezon.

Please view link below for Laguna trolleys

http://bp2.blogger.com/_hac0Jx4d5lY/RuvO85-qTaI/AAAAAAAAAQw/cCdLdQV5DNk/s1600-h/IMG_1323.JPG

As I have said no "sleds" here.

Jaime

Now theres a good shot.
Be a fair bit of profit lost there if a major derailment was to occur :-)

Brad

Field Trip: Buendia PNR Station under repair

http://homeschoolphilippines.blogspot.com/2008/03/field-trip-buendia-pnr-station-under.html

http://trained-dude.livejournal.com/22391.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Philippine_National_Railways.png

http://trained-dude.livejournal.com/22391.html

Been having a good look through this site.
I notice this guy refers to them as 'Speeders', a typical US term for this sort of thing.
Probably come up with a books worth of terms for this sort of thing.

Brad

Field Trip: Buendia PNR Station under repair

http://homeschoolphilippines.blogspot.com/2008/03/field-trip-buendia-pnr-station-under.html

The platform was so high, its mainly because the design was to raise the railroad tracks by a couple of centimeters from the current track elevation and also that they are planning to replace the track with the 50 kgs one for better train speed operation. The track replacement will result in an addition of at least 2 inches above the current one. Certainly it does warrant platform height like this..:cheers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Philippine_National_Railways.png

They are planning to rehabilitate all those lines. Northrail will be using the old PNR Line from Caloocan to La Union and built a new line connecting Subic and from Caloocan to Fort Bonifacion. On the otherhand PNR will try to rehabilitate and revive the old project of Cagayan Valley Railways...

OT: Just want to share what happend to me last friday.. Link (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19355290&postcount=616)

OT: Just want to share what happend to me last friday.. Link (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19355290&postcount=616)

Hi mate,
While I can't read the Tagalog it sounds, from what I can understand, that you had a problem with a stalker.
Hope your OK. Take care.

Brad

I am quite shocked by the ignorance of the non-Davaoenos in this thread.
Granted that we may be a terrorist target, but isn't Metro Manila too? New York? London? Tel Aviv? That is never a prerequisite for building social infrastructure - which I consider this to be notwithstanding my opposition to it being built. The prerequisite is a sufficient need - precisely the starting point which I think is not there yet.
For those non-Davaoenos in this thread, kindly browse over the crime rates per capita of the Philippine cities and be dismayed by how unruly say, Metro Manila, is.
Also, it pays dividends to go travel and see a place for yourself and juxtapose that with your presuppositions.

thats because some davaonians here are insisting us that we dont wanna see davao to have lrt! well thats rude in part of him (davaoeagle). and insisting us too that we are saying that davao is a dangerous place to live! thats another arrogant behavior of one forumer here (davaoeagle).

thats why u are affected and wrongfully thought about us being ignorant which is totally untrue, atleast on my part.

i was just saying btw (take note dinabaw), davao is close to communist infiltrated north/south cotabato, and just elaborating how near is their southwest neghbors that are infested w/ muslim rebels/terrorrists with a couple of hundred kilometers away (400km?), tawi-tawi & sulu. now im not saying that davao is a dangerous place to have lrt only because of its neighbors!

AND NOW, i was just pointing out that the lrt project MIGHT be scrutinized by the communist rebels if they ask ur mayor to PAY REVOLUTIONARY TAXES to blackmail it! IM NOT SAYING ITS GONNA HAPPEN! ITS JUST POSSIBLE AS WHAT THAT PERSON FROM THE VIDEO WARNED THE NPA REBELS TO STAY AWAY FROM LRT PROJECT!

davaoeagle, question first, why do u think that the person warned the communist rebels to stay away from the LRT project?
ngayon, pakisabi mo nga sa amin kung saan ko sinabi dito na U DONT HAVE TO BUILD LRT or where ever i said that davao is a dangerous place to have LRT? READ IT AGAIN.

But for the sake of ths argument whether davao is safe fro any terorrist attacks or no, the problem with you is ignoring the reality of the situation in davao and in the fact that even your mayor is aware of any possible terrorrist attacks there that's why in the video, if u only seen it, he aired his concern and warn the NPAs to stay away. It may not be the muslim terrorrist who might sabotage ur LRT project in which i believe they instead would be happy to see some progress goin on their city, but it was these arrogant communist rebels who might stage some terrorrist attack there to derail your project in the name of marxism for their decades-long armed struggle.

well? its not because davao has a very low crime rate, that DOESN'T MEAN IT IS FREE FROM TERRORRISTS like the communist rebels! and that also doesn't mean that davao is a dangerous city! again, im just saying that its possible the communist rebels MAY ASK UR MAYOR or whoever is responsible of ur LRT project to PAY REVOLUTIONARY TAXES from that LRT project to blackmail them.

hayup hirap makaintindi kayo ng tagalog!

so pls stop accusing me of something i am not! for i am truly looking forward to see that LRT project be materialized to more than a dream! fuck. ngayon kung ayaw nyo ng moral support FROM CANADA then shut up for i dont need to convince u people fromd davao! :bash: nagmamagandang loob na nga ang tao dito eh.... :ohno:

thats because some davaonians here are insisting


fuck. ngayon kung ayaw nyo ng moral support FROM CANADA then shut up for i dont need to convince u people fromd davao! :bash: nagmamagandang loob na nga ang tao dito eh.... :ohno:

^^ by the way, same kayo ng location ni Davaoeagle ;). He is also from Canada and a successful professional to boot...ur not the only one from Canada who's been posting in this thread dear :okay: ehehehehehehe :D A number of Davao forumers are not based in Davao as well - from Makati to OZ, NYC to as far as Germany. Ehehehehehe...so ur "im from Canada" attitude will never work here... :D

And Trivia 101. People from Davao are called Davaoeños or Dabawenyos. Not Davaonians. So funny :hilarious It's like saying, people from Manila are Manilenians, from Cebu, Cebuanians, and from the Philippines, Philipians :hilarious PEACE! Im not contradicting your points or something...just giving u some heads up so you wont sound funny next time... it's for your own good believe me...eheheheh...if ya know what i mean...:D

The issue on terrorist threats popped up only when spearhead was harping hardly on it as if that kind of risk is only imminent in Davao when it`s true to every city in the Philippines.

WTF! ur a LIAR.

First of all, its our coforumer who posted that video w/ the person there (mayor of davao?) giving a warning to all communist rebels to stay away from that poject.

LASTLY, it seems like its you who didn't understand a single scene and words from the video! Or were u ignoring the video? Dont like to see it?

SO STFU davaoeagle! :bash:

^^ by the way, same kayo ng location ni Davaoeagle ;). He is also from Canada and a successful professional to boot...ur not the only one from Canada who's been posting in this thread dear :okay: ehehehehehehe :D A number of Davao forumers are not based in Davao as well - from Makati to OZ, NYC to as far as Germany. Ehehehehehe...so ur "im from Canada" attitude will never work here... :D

And Trivia 101. People from Davao are called Davaoeños or Dabawenyos. Not Davaonians. So funny :hilarious It's like saying, people from Manila are Manilenians, from Cebu, Cebuanians, and from the Philippines, Philipians :hilarious PEACE! Im not contradicting your points or something...just giving u some heads up so you wont sound funny next time... it's for your own good believe me...eheheheh...if ya know what i mean...:D

ganun pala eh?!? FYI, i am not giving anyone here w/ "im from canada" (i was just prompted to say it cuz he seem to be rude at me just b/c i live in canada) attitude here because its no matter where we live outside or in the philippines, we should not be excluded from expressing opinions here, its not the way we judge it, but by the message. and i dont believe i gave u some wrong messages, though i delivered a bad joke and im sorry about that... yeah next time i will flood it with smiley jokes...

its our coforumer here (davaoeagle) who were continuosly misinterpreting me.

thanks for the correction there miss. here cheers for u :cheers:

i was just saying btw (take note dinabaw), davao is close to communist infiltrated north/south cotabato, and just elaborating how near is their southwest neghbors that are infested w/ muslim rebels/terrorrists with a couple of hundred kilometers away (400km?), tawi-tawi & sulu. now im not saying that davao is a dangerous place to have lrt only because of its neighbors!
:


di ko na pahahabain to , i am just correcting you as tj said "so you won't find your self in a "funny situation"

the least the reds will operate will be in Cotabato and ARMM area . why? you do your research :)

about the mayor's warning to the NPA, wala namang dapat palakihin dyan. pareho lang yan kung sakaling mag sabi ang mayor ng newyork about sa project ngayon sa ground zero, "terrorists stay away from this project". simple, warning lang kasi naka experience na eh. pero di ibig sabihin imminent danger talaga at walang ginagawa ang both governments to prevent it.



Well atleast we have one forumer here who have acknowledged what the mayor did say. Thanks.

Hindi nyo lang siguro naiintindihan kung gaano kalalim and ibig sabihin ni mayor. And its a big deal actually. Possible means of saying "Stay away": "hwag kayong mkielam, wag kayong maninikil..." As you know, big project means big deal for the NPAs. Because, it means BIG pay cut from the revolutionary taxes. Hold on im not inciting anyone in here, im just elaborating it more what the warning MAY really means, so people here will not ever say the word "paranoid about terrorrism" and such other negativity. Let's just be ralistic here for a moment.

Im not doin this just to make me look foolish here in ur thread nor tryin to paint some black on ur dreamed project. Make no mistake, im all for it. But i just like to clear out things here, that if this stupid communist rebels don't spare the LRT project, then im sure it will be atleast delayed. That's why i think the mayor and the businessmen there have to find some way to discourage the rebels for possible blackmailing them.

I REST MY CASE. Thank you. :cheers:

well it got out of hand when some people here made this a "security issue" back to topic .

The "security issue" maybe relevant to this topic since its your own mayor who first brought up the issue from that VIDEO. It wasn't me. I was just reacting to what he said.

Tsk magpo-post post kayo dyan ng video tapos kung may nagrereact na something about that security issue magagalit kayo.... unfair naman yan.... :ohno:


di ko na pahahabain to , i am just correcting you as tj said "so you won't find your self in a "funny situation"

the least the reds will operate will be in Cotabato and ARMM area . why? you do your research :)


Read this link:
http://scjphil.org/mindanao%20land%20of%20promise.htm

Pre, pagtatawanan nyo nalang ba ako sa mga maling terms ko, o paguusapan natin ang mga katotohanan dito? Tsk tsk tsk... :ohno:

Why would the reds operate around ARMM where the MILF/MNLF infested areas? Didn't they had the agreement before?

If there were terrorrist attacks against foreign firms by the NPA rebels around Davao or near it, the chances are they might not spare the LRT project. No wonder why your mayor is really concerned.

You guys here are old enough to know why there are attacks against business establishments around the philippines. I did say the reason why from my previous posts.

Check this link, baka matawa ka lang sa sinabi mo (marami pa dyan sa internet, so i suggest do help me in research as well). I mean no harm... Peace be with you dude. :cheers:

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2008/03/26/news/communist.rebels.burn.roller.html

http://www.minesandcommunities.org/Action/press1801.htm

ANG HIRAP SA INYO AKALA NYO KINAKALABAN KO KAYO EH.

^

I'm just gonna wait for our energetic moderators to slap this guy (SPEARHEAD) some punitive mesures for the swearing and the cursing he did in this thread. I think he badly needs to cleanse his mouth. :)

Here goes,


thats because some davaonians here are insisting us that we dont wanna see davao to have lrt! well thats rude in part of him (davaoeagle). and insisting us too that we are saying that davao is a dangerous place to live! thats another arrogant behavior of one forumer here (davaoeagle).

thats why u are affected and wrongfully thought about us being ignorant which is totally untrue, atleast on my part.

i was just saying btw (take note dinabaw), davao is close to communist infiltrated north/south cotabato, and just elaborating how near is their southwest neghbors that are infested w/ muslim rebels/terrorrists with a couple of hundred kilometers away (400km?), tawi-tawi & sulu. now im not saying that davao is a dangerous place to have lrt only because of its neighbors!

AND NOW, i was just pointing out that the lrt project MIGHT be scrutinized by the communist rebels if they ask ur mayor to PAY REVOLUTIONARY TAXES to blackmail it! IM NOT SAYING ITS GONNA HAPPEN! ITS JUST POSSIBLE AS WHAT THAT PERSON FROM THE VIDEO WARNED THE NPA REBELS TO STAY AWAY FROM LRT PROJECT!

davaoeagle, question first, why do u think that the person warned the communist rebels to stay away from the LRT project?
ngayon, pakisabi mo nga sa amin kung saan ko sinabi dito na U DONT HAVE TO BUILD LRT or where ever i said that davao is a dangerous place to have LRT? READ IT AGAIN.



well? its not because davao has a very low crime rate, that DOESN'T MEAN IT IS FREE FROM TERRORRISTS like the communist rebels! and that also doesn't mean that davao is a dangerous city! again, im just saying that its possible the communist rebels MAY ASK UR MAYOR or whoever is responsible of ur LRT project to PAY REVOLUTIONARY TAXES from that LRT project to blackmail them.

hayup hirap makaintindi kayo ng tagalog!

so pls stop accusing me of something i am not! for i am truly looking forward to see that LRT project be materialized to more than a dream! fuck. ngayon kung ayaw nyo ng moral support FROM CANADA then shut up for i dont need to convince u people fromd davao! :bash: nagmamagandang loob na nga ang tao dito eh.... :ohno:


Bravo!! :applause::applause::applause:

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Exactly Spearhead should not be disruptive, should cool down and should tame his posts.

But sometimes there's a reason why he became like that. Sometimes it's also apt to say that others should also cool down and tame their posts. And it's also apt to remind them of the rules.

After all this is SSC Forums and topics only become interesting if there's an exchange of different ideas be it a pro or a con. Problema kasi if you go against the "idea" of the majority of the locals then you are branded as anti-Davao even to the point of being called "stay away from Davao's business this is not your project, etc..etc.."

Isn't it boring if you post a topic and you want everyone to only post "wow! go! go! go!"... "kugi uswag Iloilo! or Davao! or Cebu!"... "abante Iloilo! Cebu! or Davao!"... or "wow! abante yah!" or "di na gid ta malupigan yah!" or "Hala bira!" or perhaps a dozen of these retarded di*ck bananas--> ":banana:"

Cities and even countries will only grow if there's an exchange of ideas and not propaganda.


...

Well atleast we have one forumer here who have acknowledged what the mayor did say. Thanks.

Hindi nyo lang siguro naiintindihan kung gaano kalalim and ibig sabihin ni mayor. And its a big deal actually. Possible means of saying "Stay away": "hwag kayong mkielam, wag kayong maninikil..." As you know, big project means big deal for the NPAs. Because, it means BIG pay cut from the revolutionary taxes. Hold on im not inciting anyone in here, im just elaborating it more what the warning MAY really means, so people here will not ever say the word "paranoid about terrorrism" and such other negativity. Let's just be ralistic here for a moment.

Im not doin this just to make me look foolish here in ur thread nor tryin to paint some black on ur dreamed project. Make no mistake, im all for it. But i just like to clear out things here, that if this stupid communist rebels don't spare the LRT project, then im sure it will be atleast delayed. That's why i think the mayor and the businessmen there have to find some way to discourage the rebels for possible blackmailing them.

I REST MY CASE. Thank you. :cheers:

we got your point. but you may also want to know that the davao mayor warns practically anything that is detrimental to peace and progress. he is very visible in the tri-media. he warns drug pushers, snatchers, bad taxi drivers, NPA, rebels, even gloria arroyo and the US government. believe me this guy's mouth is as sharp as his actions. but that doesn't mean drug pushers, snatchers, bad taxi drivers, NPAs, etc. are rampant here, in fact, lowest in the philippines ang crime rate dito at hindi siguro ma awardan ng most peaceful city in the philippines kung joke joke lang yan. now back to NPA or rebels... your concern of revolutionary taxes, blackmailing, or even terrorism that MAY hamper projects like this LRT, is valid not only to Davao City but to the whole world. kung kakapit ka sa paniniwalang yan, eh wala na sanang projects like international airport, big companies investing in the outskirts like HOLCIM, San Miguel, etc, world class mountain resorts, etc. na mangyayari dito sa Davao dahil ibablackmail din sila ng NPA. kung tutuusin mas madali silang target kasi nasa outskirts yung ibang investments compared to LRT na traversing CITY roads.

para hindi humaba, ang point ko is kung meron mang big problem na rason para hindi matuloy ang LRT project, it is not because of the rebels but the viability of the project. ano ba ang kayang gawin ng NPA, ABU SAYYAF and others sa Davao City LRT kung sakali na hindi nila kayang gawin sa EDSA MRT? hindi naman siguro nila kailangan magpadala ng batallion para pasabugin ang mga trains, tingnan mo nasampulan na nga ang EDSA. ngayon anong gagawin natin doon? manginginig na lang ang tuhod? hindi, diba life must go on. so build pa rin ang metro manila ng trains ignoring the rebels.

kaya balik ako sa sinabi ko, to beat terrorism and the likes, we just have to move on, and on, and on, and on instead of move back move back move back.

thanks for the correction there miss. here cheers for u :cheers:

You're welcome madam... :cheers:

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The "security issue" maybe relevant to this topic since its your own mayor who first brought up the issue from that VIDEO. It wasn't me. I was just reacting to what he said.

Tsk magpo-post post kayo dyan ng video tapos kung may nagrereact na something about that security issue magagalit kayo.... unfair naman yan.... :ohno:





Read this link:
"http://scjphil.org/mindanao%20land%20of%20promise.htm

Pre, pagtatawanan nyo nalang ba ako sa mga maling terms ko, o paguusapan natin ang mga katotohanan dito? Tsk tsk tsk... :ohno:

Why would the reds operate around ARMM where the MILF/MNLF infested areas? Didn't they had the agreement before?

If there were terrorrist attacks against foreign firms by the NPA rebels around Davao or near it, the chances are they might not spare the LRT project. No wonder why your mayor is really concerned.

You guys here are old enough to know why there are attacks against business establishments around the philippines. I did say the reason why from my previous posts.

Check this link, baka matawa ka lang sa sinabi mo (marami pa dyan sa internet, so i suggest do help me in research as well). I mean no harm... Peace be with you dude. :cheers:

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2008/03/26/news/communist.rebels.burn.roller.html

http://www.minesandcommunities.org/Action/press1801.htm

ANG HIRAP SA INYO AKALA NYO KINAKALABAN KO KAYO EH.

I think the problem w/ speahead posts he is not abreast to whats going on the Philppines particularly in Mindanao i have no qualms w/ other forumers.

take this statement of his :

"Why would the reds operate around ARMM where the MILF/MNLF infested areas? Didn't they had the agreement before?"

this kind of interpretation is the works of media who didn't even know where is Jolo or even Cotabato is , would you believe this statement ? We all know Reds make their living in extortion , would you think the bandits such the Pentagon or the Soliman group would share their bounties w/ them? this just a concoction of media (foreign /local).Thats why i said the reds will least operate in Cotabato .

this is how you correct perceptions that people (not only spearhead) read and misinterpret facts .This also how you correct foreign media their perception of the Philippines.The Phil. Government is also trying to correct this kind of perception about the Phils. to attract more investments and tourists.

I hope some people will not say we are against anti- davao if someone is opposing the LRT , i know you people will correct statements that are untrue ,

so better first understand what we are talking about.This LRT project is not a propoganda as other people think.

Exactly Spearhead should not be disruptive, should cool down and should tame his posts.

But sometimes there's a reason why he became like that. Sometimes it's also apt to say that others should also cool down and tame their posts. And it's also apt to remind them of the rules.

After all this is SSC Forums and topics only become interesting if there's an exchange of different ideas be it a pro or a con. Problema kasi if you go against the "idea" of the majority of the locals then you are branded as anti-Davao even to the point of being called "stay away from Davao's business this is not your project, etc..etc.."

Isn't it boring if you post a topic and you want everyone to only post "wow! go! go! go!"... "kugi uswag Iloilo! or Davao! or Cebu!"... "abante Iloilo! Cebu! or Davao!"... or "wow! abante yah!" or "di na gid ta malupigan yah!" or "Hala bira!" or perhaps a dozen of these retarded di*ck bananas--> ":banana:"

Cities and even countries will only grow if there's an exchange of ideas and not propaganda.


...


Your point of view is good and I don't have any disagreement of it as a matter of fact - but that is and would only be fitting in a community where everyone has reached a certain level of maturity where opinions are taken and thrown in objectively. SSC forum, sad to say is nowhere near the ideal level and you are privy to what transpired in this forum many moons ago.

It's easy for any forumer like you to dismiss our (Davaoeños) sentiments as simply being "onion skin" just like any John Doe has no qualms if a thief has made another victim out of his neighbor. Who cares when I am safe in my own abode, right? I must agree, what happens to his neighbor is nobody's business and that is exactly what is more fitting in the situation with us all in this forum who are merely promoting each of our respective city.

And with the current state of SSC, no one has the right to be here if all you have is a truck load of negativity. Leave any other forums alone if you have nothing but praises and sugar coatings. And that's the way it is in order to make for a peaceful forum be it in Davao or your own beloved city of Cebu.

Good news people, this project is a definite go. I already saw constructions goin on in the sta mesa area and the malabon area of the tracks.

^^ yep., looks like they're starting to construct the sta mesa station., :)

^^Guys, pics speaks louder than words ya know! :lol:

guys cool down na ha!medyo umiinit na.

regarding sa NPA

meron din ibang malalaking project na sinalakay ng mga NPA pero operational na ngayon like for example Ilo-ilo International Airport kahit yung subic-tarlac-clack expressway tinangkaring salakayin eh. the thing that i want to say is kahit pa salakayin pa yan tuloy parin ang construction.

^^Guys, pics speaks louder than words ya know! :lol:

Yeah!!! ha ha ha..... Really pictures are the best evidence.... :lol::lol::lol: Just like what barrera_marquez promised us that he will took some shots about the tracks at Malabon. And also leechat, he promised to take shots at new blumenttrit right of way clearing.... he he he.....:lol::lol::lol:

Fortunately im very glad with you guys posting with some very good news about the railway projects. WB and ADB will not stop not to see progress in the transportation and infrastructures because they want the Philippine to spend more on these to sustain the healthy economy the country has achieved last year...

I hope that they better speed up the clearing specially from Calamba to Lucena. Kahit clearing lang muna.... :banana:

OT: Just want to share what happend to me last friday.. Link (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19355290&postcount=616)


Hi el... kumusta... Im very sorry with what happened to you last friday. I hope you add more security in your life by avoiding those places. Basta ingat na lang lagi friend ha.... Nalulungkot ang mga forumers sa nangyari sayo.. I wish you be always ok..... :)

^^ My friend has sent me text last night and he saw bunches of some new rails embarked at Tayuman Yard when he took a PNR ride yesterday. It looks quite bigger than the one PNR is using. I hope I was not wrong with this that the new tracks of PNR has arrived already. It could be the 50kg/m tracks they will install at the whole length of Phase 1 Linkage Project.. :)

amazing news.. wala lang akong picture.. but both sides of the blumentritt station (rizal ave boundery) is completely de-ghettoed, you can even see de-ghettoed areas exceeding the horizon... kudos to the demolition team...

i just hope those families were properly relocated...

amazing news.. wala lang akong picture.. but both sides of the blumentritt station (rizal ave boundery) is completely de-ghettoed, you can even see de-ghettoed areas exceeding the horizon... kudos to the demolition team...

i just hope those families were properly relocated...

Thanks for the update leechat... anyway this is the action done by Vice President about the relocation of Sta. Cruz railway families from Feb. 8 to March 6. Wow!!! what a success.. Inalis rin ba nila yung malaking palengke sa likod ng Blumentritt Station? I hope they removed it too... Thanks...:):):)

amazing news.. wala lang akong picture.. but both sides of the blumentritt station (rizal ave boundery) is completely de-ghettoed, you can even see de-ghettoed areas exceeding the horizon... kudos to the demolition team...

i just hope those families were properly relocated...


leechat pareho tayo ng signature, invest in the philippines!!! :banana:

^^ Those were the days.. Picture of Sta. Mesa PNR Clearing last June 2007 prior to it's reconstruction yesterday as been posted by our fellow forumers...:):cheers:

http://portraithouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dsc00435.JPG

Good news people, this project is a definite go. I already saw constructions goin on in the sta mesa area and the malabon area of the tracks.

Hi Bosny.... did you see any earth works at Malabon tracks? I hope they are laying the new tracks.:)

^^ My friend has sent me text last night and he saw bunches of some new rails embarked at Tayuman Yard when he took a PNR ride yesterday. It looks quite bigger than the one PNR is using. I hope I was not wrong with this that the new tracks of PNR has arrived already. It could be the 50kg/m tracks they will install at the whole length of Phase 1 Linkage Project.. :)

Hi Wheels,
Yep, my friend Bill just returned from the Phils and has been updating me on some PNR stuff.
The Hanjin guys apparently told him that new rails had just arrived, so I am guessing this is what your friend told you about.

Brad

^^ Those were the days.. Picture of Sta. Mesa PNR Clearing last June 2007 prior to it's reconstruction yesterday as been posted by our fellow forumers...:):cheers:

http://portraithouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dsc00435.JPG



Amazing stuff, it looks like a bomb site.

I suppose it cannot be overestimated the amount of work that has been needed to remove the years of neglect and disinterest.
Can't wait to see it finished.

Brad

leechat pareho tayo ng signature, invest in the philippines!!! :banana:

^^ haha.. oo nga...

the wet market beside the blumentritt station was not demolished, maybe its not yet in their plans...

^^ haha.. oo nga...

the wet market beside the blumentritt station was not demolished, maybe its not yet in their plans...

We'll I hope they could demolished it soon. Maybe its an easy matter because it is also a government property. It so important to clear the area since Northrail Phase 3 would also be passing there. (From Caloocan to Blumentritt to Sta. Mesa then turn left to Shaw all the way to Pasig then turn right to For Boni.) The Phase 3 will complete the Journey to all BCDA Properties From Fort Bonifacio To Clark to Subic to San Fernando La Union.

It must be wide enough to fit all tracks the Northrail and PNR will be using... :)

In your estimate, how wide was it, 25m or 30m? Thanks...

Hi Wheels,
Yep, my friend Bill just returned from the Phils and has been updating me on some PNR stuff.
The Hanjin guys apparently told him that new rails had just arrived, so I am guessing this is what your friend told you about.

Brad

Hi mate... Wow!!! that's a good news indeed. Because for the past 8 month we were left here gessing what really the rails the're gonna be using. But now, at least our hopes gond wild again.. he he he... Honestly it's a waste of money and investment trying to reuse the existing rails with brand new DMUs.. Im very glad the Bill has informed us about this... So in a matter of few months, we will be seeing enlarge rails. That could probably the reason why the platform is so high. They might also be preparing for a raised tracks for better drainage system. Ballast installed by previous contractor last 10 years is non realiable anymore bacause of the presence of squatters.

I guess 30cm of ballast is enough for this.... :banana::banana::banana:

Amazing stuff, it looks like a bomb site.

I suppose it cannot be overestimated the amount of work that has been needed to remove the years of neglect and disinterest.
Can't wait to see it finished.

Brad


Yup... a bombsite indeed .... he he he... Very grateful move by the government. Im so excited seeing this PNR Station mixed up with Northrail in the next 2 years... :cheers:

Hi Wheels,
Yep, my friend Bill just returned from the Phils and has been updating me on some PNR stuff.
The Hanjin guys apparently told him that new rails had just arrived, so I am guessing this is what your friend told you about.

Brad


^^ This could be friend..... the 50kg/m rail....

I've got a comparison here between a 37kg/m rail which the PNR currently been using in some of their bridges and the 50kg/m rail to be installed. The left one was the 37kg/m rail coupled on the right to 50kg/m rail.

http://www.citycat.hdud.idv.tw/railfac/rail40.jpg

It seems they differ in height by some 2 inches...

Just a question.

After this is all done, can one ride from malolos to calamba without changing trains?

Hi mate,
While I can't read the Tagalog it sounds, from what I can understand, that you had a problem with a stalker.
Hope your OK. Take care.

Brad

Hi el... kumusta... Im very sorry with what happened to you last friday. I hope you add more security in your life by avoiding those places. Basta ingat na lang lagi friend ha.... Nalulungkot ang mga forumers sa nangyari sayo.. I wish you be always ok..... :)

Thanks guys. Anyway, We already avoiding that area (for the meantime). Better be safe than sorry. That guy (and his gang) must have thought that we are rich because we always go out of Greenbelt 5. Eh we are just passing by GB5 since it is the nearest way to Landmark. :lol:

Good news people, this project is a definite go. I already saw constructions goin on in the sta mesa area and the malabon area of the tracks.

Sta. Mesa and Malabon is part of the linkage project, right? not to be rude or something pero matagal na go ang linkage project. Pero we definitely want to see pictures! :D

^^ My friend has sent me text last night and he saw bunches of some new rails embarked at Tayuman Yard when he took a PNR ride yesterday. It looks quite bigger than the one PNR is using. I hope I was not wrong with this that the new tracks of PNR has arrived already. It could be the 50kg/m tracks they will install at the whole length of Phase 1 Linkage Project.. :)

Yesterday? Most likely, mano mano paglalagay nila niyan.. I haven't visited any church for the past few weeks. Pero definitely, I'll visit this weekend. The use of track laying machineries will definitely be added to my prayers. :lol:

^^ This could be friend..... the 50kg/m rail....

I've got a comparison here between a 37kg/m rail which the PNR currently been using in some of their bridges and the 50kg/m rail to be installed. The left one was the 37kg/m rail coupled on the right to 50kg/m rail.

http://www.citycat.hdud.idv.tw/railfac/rail40.jpg

It seems they differ in height by some 2 inches...

Ang kapal ng track! I hope it won't end up sa mga junkshops. :lol:

Just a question.

After this is all done, can one ride from malolos to calamba without changing trains?

Nop, at least one train change can happen probably at Caloocan Station. Direct train travel from Malolos to Caloocan is not possible since the line will be operated by two different operators (PNR and Northrail). Unless PNR will build it's Cagayan Valley Railway project then seamless travel could materialize.

Sta. Mesa and Malabon is part of the linkage project, right? not to be rude or something pero matagal na go ang linkage project. Pero we definitely want to see pictures! :D



Yesterday? Most likely, mano mano paglalagay nila niyan.. I haven't visited any church for the past few weeks. Pero definitely, I'll visit this weekend. The use of track laying machineries will definitely be added to my prayers. :lol:

Malabon is not part of linkage project. Is is being built by Chinese contractors and is part of the Northrail Phase 1 Section 1 Project. It is generally at grade railroad using the Old PNR right of way. PNR on the other hand will use the remaining spaces not occupied by railroad tracks for expansion to it's Northeastern routes specifically the Cagayan Valley Railways...

It's really hard to manualize the installation of 50kg tracks since it's so heavy. It's almost twice that of the current use. Machine is the best option at this moment.

Ang kapal ng track! I hope it won't end up sa mga junkshops. :lol:


Ang riles na gagamitin ay pareho sa MRT, at LRT except that the gauge will be maintained at 1067mm or Cape Guage.

Malabon is not part of linkage project. Is is being built by Chinese contractors and is part of the Northrail Phase 1 Section 1 Project. It is generally at grade railroad using the Old PNR right of way. PNR on the other hand will use the remaining spaces not occupied by railroad tracks for expansion to it's Northeastern routes specifically the Cagayan Valley Railways...

It's really hard to manualize the installation of 50kg tracks since it's so heavy. It's almost twice that of the current use. Machine is the best option at this moment.

ok. I thought Malabon is still part of the linkage project. We hope to see pictures of it and also of constructions in Bulacan(if they already started it). Dun naman sa tracks.. I'm a bit skeptical if they will use machineries we discussed in the previous pages. My best bet is they will use trucks (um, I forgot the name of that kind of truck that digs, whatever. :nuts:) and lots of "Matons". :lol:

ok. I thought Malabon is still part of the linkage project. We hope to see pictures of it and also of constructions in Bulacan(if they already started it). Dun naman sa tracks.. I'm a bit skeptical if they will use machineries we discussed in the previous pages. My best bet is they will use trucks (um, I forgot the name of that kind of truck that digs, whatever. :nuts:) and lots of "Matons". :lol:

^^ For those who say yes, they started the construction already but no photos to be seen and actually they always pass in those areas. We need to have some photos at least like the Blumentritt area. :)

I believe the land being used by northrail is owned by the PNR, so it is possible that we could travel from la union to bicol in one train.

That is, if they could agree on the track usage fees

Ika nga sa mga nangyayari sa Politics ngayon.. "We want evidence, not hearsay" :lol:

^^ For those who say yes, they started the construction already but no photos to be seen and actually they always pass in those areas. We need to have some photos at least like the Blumentritt area. :)

Okey, mayroon na akong bagong digital camera, maybe Saturday o Sunday makakuha na ako ng mga litrato doon. Para may evidence.

Okey, mayroon na akong bagong digital camera, maybe Saturday o Sunday makakuha na ako ng mga litrato doon. Para may evidence.

point, click and shoot away sir :D

I believe the land being used by northrail is owned by the PNR, so it is possible that we could travel from la union to bicol in one train.

That is, if they could agree on the track usage fees


While it is possible that it could be done, it is certainly not the plan.
It is true PNR own the land, but no authority to tell them what will be run.
To do as such there would have to be a lot of co-operation. PNR crews would either have to become versed in all NR rules and operational proceedures to operate through and vice versa.
Even crew changes at Caloocan would result in both operators being trained for usage of the foreign equipments usage. This would even assume that the vehicles are even compatible safeworking and clearance wise.

Going of the bad blood between PNR and NR last year I would only assume that, for the moment, such amazing co-operation has not been forthcoming as of now.

^^ Any updates at Buendia PNR station?

^^Passed by there at 230pm today Mar 4, the buendia station is under construction , since we were passing quickly I was not sure if they were demolishing or constructing though...


Nop, at least one train change can happen probably at Caloocan Station. Direct train travel from Malolos to Caloocan is not possible since the line will be operated by two different operators (PNR and Northrail). Unless PNR will build it's Cagayan Valley Railway project then seamless travel could materialize.

I see I thought it was connected even if it was run by two organizations. ty.

The buendia station has been under construction for almost a month now, the most nocitable change is that they raised the platforms.

Hi guys,
Recieved a large lot of piccies today taken during a cabride from Alabang to Tutuban late last year. Mostly all pre-demolition stuff.
They are all small files of varying quality. If you wish to see them send me your email offlist and I will forward them on to you.
One day I will get around to getting more of mine up for viewing :-)

Best wishes
Brad

Hi Friends,

I was able to make a quick survey of the on-going Hanjin rehab. Please view pictures in the link below

http://blog.rihspi.org/2008/04/rail-lifting-at-paco-station.html

A lot of heavy equipment and construction at Sta Mesa beside PUP. More report to follow.

Jaime

Thanks lots!!!

Sa Blumentitt, wala silang plano? Ganoon pa rin kasi ang nakikita ko roon. Parang walang pagbabago. Kailan ba aabot ang rehabilitation doon.

Watch out tomorrow, may pictures na ako from Malabon fresh na fresh. Bukas kukuhaan ko na ng litrato ang developments doon. Last month, may nangyayari na, lalo naman siguro ngayon.

Yeah!!! ha ha ha..... Really pictures are the best evidence.... :lol::lol::lol: Just like what barrera_marquez promised us that he will took some shots about the tracks at Malabon. And also leechat, he promised to take shots at new blumenttrit right of way clearing.... he he he.....:lol::lol::lol:

Fortunately im very glad with you guys posting with some very good news about the railway projects. WB and ADB will not stop not to see progress in the transportation and infrastructures because they want the Philippine to spend more on these to sustain the healthy economy the country has achieved last year...

I hope that they better speed up the clearing specially from Calamba to Lucena. Kahit clearing lang muna.... :banana:inaayos ang Blumentritt? Shocks I am really ecstatic! (while singing Allelujah). :lol: That place really needs rehabilitation

^^ My friend has sent me text last night and he saw bunches of some new rails embarked at Tayuman Yard when he took a PNR ride yesterday. It looks quite bigger than the one PNR is using. I hope I was not wrong with this that the new tracks of PNR has arrived already. It could be the 50kg/m tracks they will install at the whole length of Phase 1 Linkage Project.. :)wow, good news indeed. :okay:

Sa Blumentitt, wala silang plano? Ganoon pa rin kasi ang nakikita ko roon. Parang walang pagbabago. Kailan ba aabot ang rehabilitation doon...

inaayos ang Blumentritt? Shocks I am really ecstatic! (while singing Allelujah). :lol: That place really needs rehabilitation

^^ giniba na ang informal settlers, eto yung pictures that i took last week. later, since i am on duty at celadon manila, i will take pictures from the other side of Blumentritt LRT station.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9206/1005251sk8.jpg

so in the right of the photo is cavite st, and the tracks lead to Rizal ave. in Santa Cruz, Manila

^^ giniba na ang informal settlers, eto yung pictures that i took last week. later, since i am on duty at celadon manila, i will take pictures from the other side of Blumentritt LRT station.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9206/1005251sk8.jpg

so in the right of the photo is cavite st, and the tracks lead to Rizal ave. in Santa Cruz, Manila

aaah, finally, you have posted the picture. but at least, the construction can begin there. thanks for the picture.

Kung gusto ng gov't na wala nang maliligaw na squatters diyan, bakuran nila iyan.

^^ giniba na ang informal settlers, eto yung pictures that i took last week. later, since i am on duty at celadon manila, i will take pictures from the other side of Blumentritt LRT station.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9206/1005251sk8.jpg

so in the right of the photo is cavite st, and the tracks lead to Rizal ave. in Santa Cruz, Manila

Wow! Thats a phenomenal difference. Is this taken looking back towards Tayuman?
Just comparing this to a photo in a UK magazine a few years back showing all the shanties and the line covered in mud and water.
Many thanks for this shot. Its great to see them ripping through it.

Only sad thing is that the historic concrete 'ENGINE STOP' sign looks like it would have been confined to history. Gee I wish I had tried to save it while there :(

Thanks again - look forward to shot in other direction.

Brad

^^ giniba na ang informal settlers, eto yung pictures that i took last week. later, since i am on duty at celadon manila, i will take pictures from the other side of Blumentritt LRT station.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9206/1005251sk8.jpg

so in the right of the photo is cavite st, and the tracks lead to Rizal ave. in Santa Cruz, Manila


Oh my goodness.... oh shockss.... wow!!!! ha ha ha ha.... Thanks you leech... tsup tsup tsup!!! he he he....:banana::banana::banana: yahooooo!!!!!

Now, the photos before it was demolished was priceless.... :banana::banana::banana:

^^ Wanted, Author for the next thread.... :cheers::cheers::cheers:

^^ Wanted, Author for the next thread.... :cheers::cheers::cheers:

Ako na ang mago-author, ina-upload ko lang ang mga nakuha kong pictures. wait lang!

I was in Caloocan City, Malabon City and Valenzuela City this morning and just like what I said, I will provide you with fresh pictures.

Valenzuela City:

There are no developments from this area yet. Still grass lands are in sight.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2391310179_eb00e05dc9_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/2391261139_ce76002958_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2269/2392087268_c1c25167ed_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2391253695_5ff0cf78fe_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2243/2392074762_a51e79d83f_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2103/2391248327_0da4150569_o.jpg

Malabon City:

Still no developments since last month. The leveling has been finished but beyond that, there is nothing more undertaken.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2391307443_8ca09fb841_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2156/2391277693_aacaba8d78_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2391273597_4cce8a7949_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2392102182_a0b1ba89f7_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/2391267591_5de4093fe1_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2391265995_cd0c146d47_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2317/2391263629_d4c7daf552_o.jpg

Caloocan City:

Just like the former 2 cities, there are still no developments. The ballasts are there but it was already there since last year! I was given a chance to enter the Sangandaan Caloocan NorthRail site since it is prohibited for entrance.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/2391299565_b52913e7d1_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/2391298157_0ea1c9ec72_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2163/2392127104_f236792250_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2095/2392124324_c966f6b85d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2392122728_ca6487d9d6_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2391290043_a1de560d90_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2391286783_ea171cddf6_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2391283247_4af3f1b2a7_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/2392111976_d8fa261dc2_o.jpg

I was in Caloocan City, Malabon City and Valenzuela City this morning and just like what I said, I will provide you with fresh pictures.

Valenzuela City:

There are no developments from this area yet. Still grass lands are in sight.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2391310179_eb00e05dc9_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/2391261139_ce76002958_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2269/2392087268_c1c25167ed_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2391253695_5ff0cf78fe_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2243/2392074762_a51e79d83f_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2103/2391248327_0da4150569_o.jpg

Malabon City:

Still no developments since last month. The leveling has been finished but beyond that, there is nothing more undertaken.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2391307443_8ca09fb841_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2156/2391277693_aacaba8d78_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2391273597_4cce8a7949_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2392102182_a0b1ba89f7_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/2391267591_5de4093fe1_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2391265995_cd0c146d47_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2317/2391263629_d4c7daf552_o.jpg

Caloocan City:

Just like the former 2 cities, there are still no developments. The ballasts are there but it was already there since last year! I was given a chance to enter the Sangandaan Caloocan NorthRail site since it is prohibited for entrance.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/2391299565_b52913e7d1_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/2391298157_0ea1c9ec72_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2163/2392127104_f236792250_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2095/2392124324_c966f6b85d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2392122728_ca6487d9d6_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2391290043_a1de560d90_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2391286783_ea171cddf6_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2391283247_4af3f1b2a7_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/2392111976_d8fa261dc2_o.jpg

^nice pics pare! :D

Sana matapos ang project na ito!,,,
Going First World!..:banana::lol:

Post 995...

^^ giniba na ang informal settlers, eto yung pictures that i took last week. later, since i am on duty at celadon manila, i will take pictures from the other side of Blumentritt LRT station.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9206/1005251sk8.jpg

so in the right of the photo is cavite st, and the tracks lead to Rizal ave. in Santa Cruz, Manila

This is good news indeed. If I may add, I have also seen a marked improvement in the FTI side of the railway. A year ago, you cant see the railway if youre going to pass the service road going to FTI. Now, only a few shanties remain and there are trucks coming in almost every week to haul the dwellers away from that place to a relocation site. I hope this whole project becomes a success :cheers:

i was in legazpi the last couple of days and i saw the old remnants of the rail lines there.. i really hope that the southrail rehabilitation would reach legazpi in the next couple of years so that there would be another alternative to go to this province..

Thanks for the hard work and the photos!

New thread! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=603875) :colgate:



:lock:

Link to Thread 5 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=546411) in the Archives. :colgate:

as promised, the other view of blumentritt tracks taken from lrt-1 baclaran bound.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1820/1005261bi3.jpg

you may notice that the recent fully de-ghettoed area, has makulit informal settlers up for a comeback.. tsk tsk.. calling the local barangay officials!! :bash:

hai, askyon naman agad mga concerned officials, if you don't take action now, it will be another waste of taxpayers money if you remove them.

^^ actually last friday, that whole area is devoid of informal settlers... its just sunday (day photo was taken) and they are already back.. :(

Bakit kc after clearing the area dapat bakuran agad ng electrified fence

^^ kaya lang ang electrified fence nata-tap.. kaya matutuwa lalo sila...

Shoot to kill na lang sila!

Nice to see that the Blumentritt Area is cleared. pero may tanong ako, ang construction ba ng mga riles ay naglalakad at paisa-isa at hindi isang sabayan ang paglalagay ng riles. Kasi bakit may improvements sa Southrail pero ang Northrail, wala pa rin... thanks!

as promised, the other view of blumentritt tracks taken from lrt-1 baclaran bound.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1820/1005261bi3.jpg

you may notice that the recent fully de-ghettoed area, has makulit informal settlers up for a comeback.. tsk tsk.. calling the local barangay officials!! :bash:

Baclaran bound. Does this mean the PNR shot is looking towards Paco direction?

This shot is possibly the most starkest in contrast of any photo post demolition. The massive three storey walls of the shanties gave no idea of how open this area could be.
Imagine some good landscaping along here now, it would be a massive transformation.

Brad

The clearance is so big that they could put another rail beside those two, or upgrade the rails to standard grade.

Baclaran bound. Does this mean the PNR shot is looking towards Paco direction?

This shot is possibly the most starkest in contrast of any photo post demolition. The massive three storey walls of the shanties gave no idea of how open this area could be.
Imagine some good landscaping along here now, it would be a massive transformation.

Brad

hi brad,

sorry for the ambiguous point of reference, the previous photo i took was the paco bound pnr. i think this is the one which will cross laong laan and españa blvd. (below)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9206/1005251sk8.jpg

this photo below however, will be going straight to tutuban.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1820/1005261bi3.jpg

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_National_Railways_stations

Amazing,did not expect to see a clean Blumentritt in my lifetime.You see, I use to pass that area everyday going to work.I just thought it was hopeless to put order in that place.Can you believe, that it would take a train project to put some order in the streets of Manila. How can you not love & support trains.:):):)

Amazing,did not expect to see a clean Blumentritt in my lifetime.You see, I use to pass that area everyday going to work.I just thought it was hopeless to put order in that place.Can you believe, that it would take a train project to put some order in the streets of Manila. How can you not love & support trains.:):):)


True, same here before I used to pass in blumentritt. What a big transformation it has been. And theres this one instance that I almost got robbed there.

But sad to see in the picture that the Squatter people start to build again their shanties. Ang kukulit talaga.....:ohno:

Shoot to kill na lang sila!



Maybe much better if they surround the area with trip wires and land mines .....heheheheh (joke):lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, the authorities should do something about it or else just a day or so you see the area filled with shanties again......:ohno::ohno::ohno:

For the author of this thread please provide links to the old threads.

National intermodal plan in the drawing board
Portcalls
http://www.portcalls.com/html/news/news.html#c

THE Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is coming up with a National Transport Plan (NTP) to integrate all modes of transportation in the Philippines and ease the movement of freight and passengers nationwide.

“By 2010, we hope to come out with the NTP that will have a seamless link of all modes of transport for passengers and cargo as the current practice of individualism or ‘kanya-kanya’ in each mode of transport leads to inefficiency that tends to discourage possible tourists and investors to come to the Philippines,” Transport undersecretary Maria Elena Bautista said in a presentation at a forum hosted by the Maritime League of the Philippines.

“We plan… to have our mass transportation such as the LRT and MRT connected to airports and our sea ports connected to rails and truck holding stations for the efficient transfer of passengers and goods in the country,” Bautista, who heads the DOTC water sector, said.

The NTP involves the integration of 31 airports, 28 seaports and seven railway systems that will serve as the core of the integrated transport system.

Identified airports, seaports and railways are those under the super regions including the North Luzon Agri-Business Quadragle, the Metro Luzon Urban Beltway Region, Central Philippines Region, and the Mindanao Region.

The government has earmarked P380 billion to develop intermodal transportation in the country.

For the passage sector, the country’s main airports will be connected to the Light Rail Transit and the Metro Rail Transit. There will be common holding areas for land transportation such as jeeps and shuttle services in strategically located areas.

Earlier, the Philippine Interisland Shipping Association said the country’s intermodal transport does not require an ambitious ships-to-rail, cars-to-trucks transfer of cargoes but a cheaper sea-to-land and land-to-sea service option.

^^ Very good news for our infrastructure. Seamlessness is essential.

hi brad,

sorry for the ambiguous point of reference, the previous photo i took was the paco bound pnr. i think this is the one which will cross laong laan and españa blvd. (below)



Thanks mate.
Having a closer look it seems one can just identify Blumentritt in the distance of the first shot.
One of lifes regrets is not getting up on that LRT station for shots when the squatters were still there :(

Thanks
Brad

Maybe much better if they surround the area with trip wires and land mines .....heheheheh (joke):lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, the authorities should do something about it or else just a day or so you see the area filled with shanties again......:ohno::ohno::ohno:

Imagine how great it would look with grass, some trees and other landscraping. Perhaps even some park benches (although they may get stolen :ohno: )
It will just take regular policing and heavy penalties to deter these people from returning.

Brad

hmm.. so the intermodal plan would be finished by 2010? then the implementation would take another few years?

Imagine how great it would look with grass, some trees and other landscraping. Perhaps even some park benches (although they may get stolen :ohno: )
It will just take regular policing and heavy penalties to deter these people from returning.

Brad



Hi Brad,

That would be a good idea, imagine small parks & plazas on that area...:)


Off topic:
In your model train project now that the shanties has been removed beside the rail tracks will you replace it with trees and grass instead?

Imagine how great it would look with grass, some trees and other landscraping. Perhaps even some park benches (although they may get stolen :ohno: )
It will just take regular policing and heavy penalties to deter these people from returning.

Brad

yup....amen to that.....a small respite from hurried passengers...

nice pics barrere and leechtat. :)

I'm not suprised that there is no progress on the northrail.. haay..

I noticed that they also taken out the tracks in the area of buendia.. I hope I'll be able take pictures of it this coming weekend and probably visit Paco area. :D

hi everybody.. i saw blumentritt kanina.. its clear na.. kita na mga waiting sheds and the station building.. sana ma demolish din ung may green roof sa tabi nung station para ma-widen ung station..

Nathan, glad to see you back.

waaa... kainis d ako nakaabot ng delibs sa thesis namen. eto summer class..hayy

share ko lang ung hndi ko natapos

http://file.uploadr.com/14c75-embed
-sample na d tpos.. laong laan station..hehe

eto paco ko

http://file.uploadr.com/14c76-embed

d ko pa nalilipat sa viz eh..kaya blured pa sa cad..

waaa... kainis d ako nakaabot ng delibs sa thesis namen. eto summer class..hayy

share ko lang ung hndi ko natapos

http://file.uploadr.com/14c75-embed
-sample na d tpos.. laong laan station..hehe

eto paco ko

http://file.uploadr.com/14c76-embed

d ko pa nalilipat sa viz eh..kaya blured pa sa cad..

the roof structure reminds me of the LRT2 stations' roof structures :cheers:

Thanks for your pictures Leechtat. Like others on this thread, I have never figured to see Blumentritt cleared like that (despite the hardheaded ones who build right up even after everythign was cleared).

I wonder how it will be like one month from clearing. The only way they can really ensure that it stays clear is if they actually show work happening there so it's essential that the government and Northrail get their acts together.

...
Off topic:
In your model train project now that the shanties has been removed beside the rail tracks will you replace it with trees and grass instead?

trees and pavement is some areas with perimeter walls... for some areas just plain perimeter wall and gravel, with electrified fences <-- :lol:

edit: thanks @bagel. ssc is always welcome. now, i must agree with you as well.. the contractors must get to work on that area lest they see their recent demolition efforts come to waste... those informal settlers are fast.. i'll see if i can take a photo tom in this area again, just to see if more settlers rebuild just after a week.

For the author of this thread please provide links to the old threads.

Here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=760

Nasa archives siya. Piliin mo na lang ang gusto mo.

waaa... kainis d ako nakaabot ng delibs sa thesis namen. eto summer class..hayy

share ko lang ung hndi ko natapos

http://file.uploadr.com/14c75-embed
-sample na d tpos.. laong laan station..hehe

eto paco ko

http://file.uploadr.com/14c76-embed

d ko pa nalilipat sa viz eh..kaya blured pa sa cad..


^^ Hi Nathan, Long time no see... :banana::banana::banana: Were glad you be back...

Welcome back Golden Boy of this thread:cheers:

as promised, the other view of blumentritt tracks taken from lrt-1 baclaran bound.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1820/1005261bi3.jpg

you may notice that the recent fully de-ghettoed area, has makulit informal settlers up for a comeback.. tsk tsk.. calling the local barangay officials!! :bash:

Wow!!! Ang galing.... Nice!!!

The clearance is so big that they could put another rail beside those two, or upgrade the rails to standard grade.

^^ No furthered mentioned about upgrading to standard gauge.. but yes, the PNR will definitely announce they gonna be needing at least 30 meters for their four track alignment in the future... Probably the reason why they have to demolished everything along their path specially the Pabahay sa Riles between Laon Laan and Espanya Sts. in Manila...

waaa... kainis d ako nakaabot ng delibs sa thesis namen. eto summer class..hayy

share ko lang ung hndi ko natapos

http://file.uploadr.com/14c75-embed
-sample na d tpos.. laong laan station..hehe

eto paco ko

http://file.uploadr.com/14c76-embed

d ko pa nalilipat sa viz eh..kaya blured pa sa cad..

Paco station is so cute. I like this plan to be realized...

@kaelthas18

iyan talaga ang nasa plano? wow! it looks great even in the CAD!

wow! welcome back Nathan! Isang thread at kalahati ang namiss mo ah. :)

wow! welcome back Nathan! Isang thread at kalahati ang namiss mo ah. :)

^^ Hi el... he he he ... oo nga... ang TAGGGAAALLLLL nyang nawala... parang Northrail...:lol::lol::lol:

wow! welcome back Nathan! Isang thread at kalahati ang namiss mo ah. :)


^^ Kumusta sa Buendia? Did they completely rip all the tracks and replace it with the new one? How things are going up there? :cheers:

mura lang pamasahe mula tutuban-alabang na southrail, P16.

anyways, welcome back nathan!

^^ Kumusta sa Buendia? Did they completely rip all the tracks and replace it with the new one? How things are going up there? :cheers:

naalala mo ung pinicturan mo ung buendia dati wheel of steel??.. i noticed last sunday,until now di pa din tapos. na reconstruct na ung mga supporting columns. simple lang.. na raise na din ung platform, pero wla pang shed.. the shed will still be a flat slanted roof.. hndi sya curve..

@ barrera..
iyan talaga ang nasa plano? wow! it looks great even in the CAD!

um, sa thesis ko lang to, hndi sa actual.. imposible mangyari dito sa atin.. pero minaximize ko lahat ng pwedeng space..

^^ Kumusta sa Buendia? Did they completely rip all the tracks and replace it with the new one? How things are going up there? :cheers:

naalala mo ung pinicturan mo ung buendia dati wheel of steel??.. i noticed last sunday,until now di pa din tapos. na reconstruct na ung mga supporting columns. simple lang.. na raise na din ung platform, pero wla pang shed.. the shed will still be a flat slanted roof.. hndi sya curve..

Confirm ko lang sabi ni Nathan. Dumaan ulit ako kanina.. inaayos na nila yung roofing. Yep hindi nga siya curve, flat slanted lang. Parang katulad pa rin ng dati. Tagal nga matapos ito eh.. Regarding sa tracks, hindi ko pa maconfirm if they are already replacing it with the new one but they have already taken out the tracks on some areas(Kanina parang napansin ko na nilagyan na nila ng mga bato yung area na yun). Sa totoo lang, parang glimpse lang nakita ko. Regarding the bridge I was talking about on the last thread. They are replacing it na. I still to do a full recon on it so for now it is unofficial. :D

excuse me guys but someone could tell me why is the northrail is progressing slowly? please, thanks. I took the shots last week but I was dissapointed because I am expecting that the project went through. Bakit ganoon?

Wish ko lang makarating ako sa San Fernando City nang mabilis sakay ng Northrail at sa Cabanatuan City sakay ng Cagayan Valley Railways.

:badnews: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Nakita ko kanina kinakalat na nila sa riles ang mga bato-bato sa buong stretch ng Makati hangang sa may part ng bandang sta.mesa. :) Regarding sa station mukhang irerenovate lang nila ung mga lumang station base sa nakita ko kasi nagstart na sila, halimbawa sa vito cruz station ung mismong lumang station din nirernovate nila di nila giniba. So nakikita kita ko na pangit ang mga station.:ohno:

ask ko lang po sana kung lalagyan nila ng bakod yung gilid riles para hindi na magbalikan yung makukulit natin na kababayan?

Hi Brad,

Off topic:
In your model train project now that the shanties has been removed beside the rail tracks will you replace it with trees and grass instead?

:lol: Nope, certainly still plan to have the shanties.

It will actually be the terminus of a fictional line that ran from just north of Caloocan, is a wide sort of semi circle to Payatas, terminating next to a creek in that location.

While Northrail and Southrail look like happening, there has been no mention of Payatasrail :lol:

Brad

The only way they can really ensure that it stays clear is if they actually show work happening there so it's essential that the government and Northrail get their acts together.

Perhaps issue PNR train crew with 'Anti-Squatter Missile Launchers'?????

:lol:

ask ko lang po sana kung lalagyan nila ng bakod yung gilid riles para hindi na magbalikan yung makukulit natin na kababayan?

haha..what kind of bakod??

1. Interling wire (diamond na wire)- nanakawin at gugupitin lang
2. Barbed wire - nanakawin pa rin
3. Pre cast fence - babasagin lang, like the area along alabang-sucat rail area
4. Reinforced concrete with bubog and barbed wire - most applicable pero less scenery sa mga passengers ng train..

pustahan by 2015 babalik ulit mga squatters sa area na yan... ano??:bash:

^^ negativity...

Wish we have a before & after image of Blumentritt to appreciate the "today" photo.That street was a total anarchy.When I passed last December in there,I thought Manila was such a hopeless case.It was like Smokey Mountain with streets.

haha..what kind of bakod??

1. Interling wire (diamond na wire)- nanakawin at gugupitin lang
2. Barbed wire - nanakawin pa rin
3. Pre cast fence - babasagin lang, like the area along alabang-sucat rail area
4. Reinforced concrete with bubog and barbed wire - most applicable pero less scenery sa mga passengers ng train..

pustahan by 2015 babalik ulit mga squatters sa area na yan... ano??:bash:

yung barbed wire na may kuryente, matutusok sila kung magtatangka silang mag-tap pero makukuryente sila kapag tinangka nilang nakawin ang bakod.

naku hindi lang 2015 baka next year lang bumalik na ang mga iyan.

Nakita ko kanina kinakalat na nila sa riles ang mga bato-bato sa buong stretch ng Makati hangang sa may part ng bandang sta.mesa. :) Regarding sa station mukhang irerenovate lang nila ung mga lumang station base sa nakita ko kasi nagstart na sila, halimbawa sa vito cruz station ung mismong lumang station din nirernovate nila di nila giniba. So nakikita kita ko na pangit ang mga station.:ohno:

I did a full recon on the area of buendia. Hindi pa nila napapalitan yung mga tracks but (as nayki said) nilalagyan na nila ng mga bato yung tracks. It seems tumaas yung tracks. I'll post pics of it this coming weekend. :)

Nakita ko kanina kinakalat na nila sa riles ang mga bato-bato sa buong stretch ng Makati hangang sa may part ng bandang sta.mesa. :) Regarding sa station mukhang irerenovate lang nila ung mga lumang station base sa nakita ko kasi nagstart na sila, halimbawa sa vito cruz station ung mismong lumang station din nirernovate nila di nila giniba. So nakikita kita ko na pangit ang mga station.:ohno:

^^ Tama ang gobyerno, mali si Biazon at ang media. Renovate nga lang ang gagawin... Iba po ang Northrail. Northrail is all brand new.. While Linkage Project which the media considers as Southrail is nothing but repair and rehabilitation... The budget for Linkage Phase 1 is only $50m compared to Northrail Phase 1 $450m.... We're just being fooled by media and these senators...:ohno:

not the same vantage point though.. but here is a shot at it...

before

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/499026.jpg
image by pembo

after
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1820/1005261bi3.jpg

excuse me guys but someone could tell me why is the northrail is progressing slowly? please, thanks. I took the shots last week but I was dissapointed because I am expecting that the project went through. Bakit ganoon?

Wish ko lang makarating ako sa San Fernando City nang mabilis sakay ng Northrail at sa Cabanatuan City sakay ng Cagayan Valley Railways.

:badnews: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:


Youve said it before that only rails needed to make a railway at Malabon. From what i've seen in your photos, Caloocan to Malabon section is not yet started. Try to look for the Valenzuela viaduct. Surely we can see great activities there right now. Remember, we cannot lay railroad without completing the bridges first....

Could somebody not so busy take a shot of the Malolos Norhrail Station construction...

not the same vantage point though.. but here is a shot at it...

before

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/499026.jpg
image by pembo

after
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1820/1005261bi3.jpg


What a hell before photos :ohno::ohno::ohno: and what a great photos after... :banana::banana::banana:

I did a full recon on the area of buendia. Hindi pa nila napapalitan yung mga tracks but (as nayki said) nilalagyan na nila ng mga bato yung tracks. It seems tumaas yung tracks. I'll post pics of it this coming weekend. :)

Definitely it will raise the tracks by at least 30cm... A reliable source said that they will first align the old tracks and once aligned new rails will be installed. It will finally realign into perfection with a use of tampering machine as Koreans Built DMU will be needing some greater alignment accuracy of tracks for better and faster operation.

^ok.. They also replacing some of the the old concrete something(Sorry I forgot the name of it basta the one below the tracks. :D ) with new ones. I also noticed they are using "track" machineries a.k.a trollies. hehehe

Youve said it before that only rails needed to make a railway at Malabon. From what i've seen in your photos, Caloocan to Malabon section is not yet started. Try to look for the Valenzuela viaduct. Surely we can see great activities there right now. Remember, we cannot lay railroad without completing the bridges first....

Could somebody not so busy take a shot of the Malolos Norhrail Station construction...

not even valenzuela, wala pa ring nagaganap na spectacular doon.

^^ Tama ang gobyerno, mali si Biazon at ang media. Renovate nga lang ang gagawin... Iba po ang Northrail. Northrail is all brand new.. While Linkage Project which the media considers as Southrail is nothing but repair and rehabilitation... The budget for Linkage Phase 1 is only $50m compared to Northrail Phase 1 $450m.... We're just being fooled by media and these senators...:ohno:

Kung tutuusin, walang pakialam ang mga tao sa magiging design ng mga istasyon, basta may magandang riles na, pwede na, kaya lang kung ang tren na gagamitin natin ay kagaya nung nakita ninyong DMU sa last thread, malamang hindi bagay...

^ok.. They also replacing some of the the old concrete something(Sorry I forgot the name of it basta the one below the tracks. :D ) with new ones. I also noticed they are using "track" machineries a.k.a trollies. hehehe

Sleepers. I think the Americans call them ties.
It is interesting that they plan to raise the trackbeds by 30cm. I suppose in the Lake Paco area they may have done this as they did sick quite low down into the, well, lake.
The shots from Jaime showed a fastly improved looking track, but probably not much more so than what John Holland left behind the last time.
After this realignment I suspect they will then lay the new rails. Can't see them raising the embankment in between though as it would render all the current work as unneeded.

Has anyone at Hanjin outlined the plans for ongoing maintenence?

Regards
Brad
** Getting some Blumentritt shots together at the moment.

Ok just put a few more of my Blumentritt piccies up on the SIG site. (http://philippinerailwayhistoricalsociety.blogspot.com/)

^ok.. They also replacing some of the the old concrete something(Sorry I forgot the name of it basta the one below the tracks. :D ) with new ones. I also noticed they are using "track" machineries a.k.a trollies. hehehe

Actually the machineries we call for looks like the conventional train locomotive except that it has this jacks and vibrators to lift and suck those ballast above underneath the ties and provide efficient foundation for the tracks. With this machine the track can be aligned automaticall since this machine is equipped with computers. We can effectively create a curve so well a train can pass smoothly under high speed operation... :)

guys guys guys....be patient...it does not necessarily mean that since you do not see any movement or improvement on-site ay wala ng nangyayari...these are pre-fab parts.....malamang ginagawa na ang mga ito at assembly na lang ang aasikasuhin nila pagkatapos....that is how projects are run these days.....minamanufacture na lahat ang kailangan off-site saka na lang bubuuin on-site parang jig-saw puzzle....the hardest part has already been overcome....ang pagpapa-alis ng mga iskwater.....yun ang pinaka mahirap... the rest mechanized installation na yan....if you have seen how rail tracks are assembled on-site ang bilis...malulula ka....wala ng halos mga tao na gumagawa....ganun na ang technology ngayon......i bet...they are now focusing on geodetic works....yung mga alignments...elevation....and the likes.....so be patient.....magugulat na lang kayo...

Kung tutuusin, walang pakialam ang mga tao sa magiging design ng mga istasyon, basta may magandang riles na, pwede na, kaya lang kung ang tren na gagamitin natin ay kagaya nung nakita ninyong DMU sa last thread, malamang hindi bagay...


Dat's right but remember those trains can run only fast in a well maintained tracks. Our trains can still run as fast as 80kph in a new tracks being rehab by Hanjin except that it has so many parts to be replaced just to ensure the safety of the passengers.

Actually the machineries we call for looks like the conventional train locomotive except that it has this jacks and vibrators to lift and suck those ballast above underneath the ties and provide efficient foundation for the tracks. With this machine the track can be aligned automaticall since this machine is equipped with computers. We can effectively create a curve so well a train can pass smoothly under high speed operation... :)

yep I know that.. That's what I'm praying for the past sundays. Na sana gumamit sila ng ganyan machineries. It is a bit coincidence that we are discussing about trollies/sleds at the last thread and now, the construction workers are using those (possibly for transporting those ties/ballast) in the linkage project. :D

^^ Tama ang gobyerno, mali si Biazon at ang media. Renovate nga lang ang gagawin... Iba po ang Northrail. Northrail is all brand new.. While Linkage Project which the media considers as Southrail is nothing but repair and rehabilitation... The budget for Linkage Phase 1 is only $50m compared to Northrail Phase 1 $450m.... We're just being fooled by media and these senators...:ohno:

I don't mind if the stations are not beautiful as long as it is clean and functional. Besides, it is only repair and rehabilitation. ;)

If ever we are waiting for nothing.Northrail will gonna be a dead stick. :ohno::ohno: From what I see, the project is nothing but a hoax now. Caloocan station is exactly the same as that of Feb. 2007... If there is really a construction, at least we will be receiving post about northrail from this thread. I wish the President is doing something on her promise. :ohno:

guys guys guys....be patient...it does not necessarily mean that since you do not see any movement or improvement on-site ay wala ng nangyayari...these are pre-fab parts.....malamang ginagawa na ang mga ito at assembly na lang ang aasikasuhin nila pagkatapos....that is how projects are run these days.....minamanufacture na lahat ang kailangan off-site saka na lang bubuuin on-site parang jig-saw puzzle....the hardest part has already been overcome....ang pagpapa-alis ng mga iskwater.....yun ang pinaka mahirap... the rest mechanized installation na yan....if you have seen how rail tracks are assembled on-site ang bilis...malulula ka....wala ng halos mga tao na gumagawa....ganun na ang technology ngayon......i bet...they are now focusing on geodetic works....yung mga alignments...elevation....and the likes.....so be patient.....magugulat na lang kayo...

Censya na daddy. Wala tlagang activity.. Actually I don't have something to say when Barrera posted his photos at Caloocan and Malabon line. I can't comment I though the project has started when Bartolome was interviewd last November...

this is the Machine for track aligning.

http://whr.bangor.ac.uk/2005/oj-plasser0205.jpg

siguro ang strategy southrail muna tapos lumalakad yung construction hanggang umabot ng malolos city. parang yung drainage enhancement program ng NLEx na gumagalaw yung construction.

example, kung yung buendia tapos na, yung construction lilipat sa blumentritt, pag tapos na blumentritt, pupunta na sila sa Sangandaan. maybe that is the strategy, sana nga ganoon kasi may bato na yung sa malabon at handa na yung ballasts ng sangandaan at ang napansin ko pa sa Caloocan, hindi pa evicted ang mga squatters.

well....that will be a sad day for us....if natigil ang projects dahil lang sa chinese funded ito....at dahil sa ingay ni lozada......dapat itali sya sa tracks at pasagasaan sa tren....:ohno:

I did a full recon on the area of buendia. Hindi pa nila napapalitan yung mga tracks but (as nayki said) nilalagyan na nila ng mga bato yung tracks. It seems tumaas yung tracks. I'll post pics of it this coming weekend. :)

Yup dating track pa din nag gagamitin ata nila kasi kala2wang siya nung nakita ko.. pero tumaas nga ang tract kasi pinalitan na iyong mga trabesa na kahoy ng concrete...

saang tren? nahinto nga niya yung construction dahil sa ingay niya.

anyway I was in San Fernando, Pampanga this time and I was able to capture the pictures of the present situation of the Cagayan Valley Railways. Too bad, wala pa ring nangyayari hanggang ngayon.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2415454161_8e5b488660.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/2415456705_fb6a4c004b.jpg?v=0

http://file.uploadr.com/14e1f-embed post ko lang ulit.. haha

Yup dating track pa din nag gagamitin ata nila kasi kala2wang siya nung nakita ko.. pero tumaas nga ang tract kasi pinalitan na iyong mga trabesa na kahoy ng concrete...

AFAIK, they will replacing those with new tracks. Sabi nga kakadeliver nga lang daw eh pero inaayos muna yung mga paglalagyan nung bagong tracks. regarding sa mga trabesa, actually matagal na concrete mga yan though meron ibang naliligaw na kahoy. :D

Barrera: well what can you expect? eh masyadong pinuna ng mga magigiting nating mga senador eh. so malamang wala or wala pang mangyayari dyan. :(

^^ wag na kayong maniniwala sa project na yan... Northrail might be in totall mess now... a dead stick project...

I believe nothings gonna happen anymore.. I myself, an optimist before now I realize it's worthy to be pessimist unless any hard evidence be presented on this thread showing the construction had begun...:)

BCDA is a liar... Wala nang hahantungan ang project na yan..

Let's just concentrate on Linkage Project. Ipagdasal nyo na kahit Linkage Project na lang ang matapos. I bet you.. the Phase I might be completed in
2010, that is from Caloocan to Alabang... :ohno::ohno::ohno:

http://file.uploadr.com/14e1f-embed post ko lang ulit.. haha

I like it too much Nathan.. I love your rendering.. Continue u lang ha... I will also upload my own rendering at Buendia and Paco.... :banana::banana:

oo nga, sana noon pa ung linkage na inuna nila para naman nadagdagan ung mga rail systems natin dito sa manila at para madali makalakbay mga tao..

sna duon muna dinala ni gloria ung milyon milyon na zte na yan.!!
ang hirap kasi sa mga planners eh patalon talon mga projects.. katulad ng mrt or lrt man yan... sana unahin na nila muna lrt 4 bgo ing mrt 7 man or ung extension sa cvite... start first at the city center tpos palabas to outer regions..
mas madmi kaya ang commuters ng manila-qc-caloocan kesa sa manila-paranque-cavite..

may nalalaman pa ksi slang north rail station sa caloocan eh.. eh kung gnawa nlng nila na main station ung tutuban ng north rail and south rail eh di maganda pa... organize pa.. ang laki laki ng Tutuban yard eh, kaya naman mapagkasya un eh.. il post sometime my proposed tutuban terminal w/o the squatters and the bus station on its side anymore.. xmpre it is still on the current site at the back of the mall..

oo nga, sana noon pa ung linkage na inuna nila para naman nadagdagan ung mga rail systems natin dito sa manila at para madali makalakbay mga tao..

sna duon muna dinala ni gloria ung milyon milyon na zte na yan.!!
ang hirap kasi sa mga planners eh patalon talon mga projects.. katulad ng mrt or lrt man yan... sana unahin na nila muna lrt 4 bgo ing mrt 7 man or ung extension sa cvite... start first at the city center tpos palabas to outer regions..
mas madmi kaya ang commuters ng manila-qc-caloocan kesa sa manila-paranque-cavite..

tama! aba'y gaya ng sinabi ko sa NLEE thread, mala-impyerno ang biyahe sa Cabanatuan na 3 hours. wala pa nga tayong nakikitang development dito sa cagayan valley railways kung tutuusin dahil plano nilang unahin yung papuntang San Fernando.

@ barrera

dahil plano nilang unahin yung papuntang San Fernando.


eh si gma kc taga pampanga..hehe ,dba nga nuong panahon ni marcos, at imelda.. umunlad ang ilocos norte at tacloban leyte.??

tama! aba'y gaya ng sinabi ko sa NLEE thread, mala-impyerno ang biyahe sa Cabanatuan na 3 hours. wala pa nga tayong nakikitang development dito sa cagayan valley railways kung tutuusin dahil plano nilang unahin yung papuntang San Fernando.

Northrail and Cagayan Valley Railways is different from each other.

Northrail routes are being implemented by BCDA. It is a privately owned corporation who owns also SCTEx. The main purpose of Northrail is to provide seamless connection to all economic centers like Subic, Clark and San Fernando Pampanga.

Cagayan Valley Railways on the other hand, is being implemented by Philippine National Railways. PNR is the owner of the right of way also being partially rented and use by Northrail for its Caloocan to San Fernando Phase.

If Cagayan Valley relialized, from Tayuman Yard to Balagtas, Bulacan just before you reached Guiguinto, PNR and Northrail will be side by side with each other and exclusive. After Balagtas, Northrail turns left while Cagayan Valley Railways proceeds to the right to Cabanatuan and Tuguegarao. In other words we see more tracks along these routes..

tama! aba'y gaya ng sinabi ko sa NLEE thread, mala-impyerno ang biyahe sa Cabanatuan na 3 hours. wala pa nga tayong nakikitang development dito sa cagayan valley railways kung tutuusin dahil plano nilang unahin yung papuntang San Fernando.

The one that goes to San Fernando is Northrail (North Luzon Railways Corp. by BCDA) while the line that goes to Cabanatuan is a project of PNR. It's a different company.

may nalalaman pa ksi slang north rail station sa caloocan eh.. eh kung gnawa nlng nila na main station ung tutuban ng north rail and south rail eh di maganda pa... organize pa.. ang laki laki ng Tutuban yard eh, kaya naman mapagkasya un eh.. il post sometime my proposed tutuban terminal w/o the squatters and the bus station on its side anymore.. xmpre it is still on the current site at the back of the mall..

dat's true Nathan, they have extended the terminus from the original Caloocan Station to Tayuman. That' their latest update back in Bartolomes speech. Yun nga lang, where is the contruction of the Northrail?

The one that goes to San Fernando is Northrail (North Luzon Railways Corp. by BCDA) while the line that goes to Cabanatuan is a project of PNR. It's a different company.

when it comes to the government, it is a problem sa totoo lang. ningas kogon kaya.

may nalalaman pa ksi slang north rail station sa caloocan eh.. eh kung gnawa nlng nila na main station ung tutuban ng north rail and south rail eh di maganda pa... organize pa.. ang laki laki ng Tutuban yard eh, kaya naman mapagkasya un eh.. il post sometime my proposed tutuban terminal w/o the squatters and the bus station on its side anymore.. xmpre it is still on the current site at the back of the mall..

sige pwede as long as caloocan city will still keep its sangandaan station.

OT: private corporation pala BCDA? akala ko govt corporation ito..

WoS, Nathan, Barrera: Wag niyo na kaisipin yang Northrail and CVR, pagtuunan na lang muna natin ng pansin yan linkage project. Kung iisip-iisipin lang natin yung Northrail and CVR.. Takaw High blood lang yan. Mahal pa naman pa-ospital ngayon. :D

WoS, Nathan, Barrera: Wag niyo na kaisipin yang Northrail and CVR, pagtuunan na lang muna natin ng pansin yan linkage project. Kung iisip-iisipin lang natin yung Northrail and CVR.. Takaw High blood lang yan. Mahal pa naman pa-ospital ngayon. :D

thanks for concern, tama ka, mataba pa naman ako... :lol:

ang bcda nga pala government pa rin pero hindi tulad ng ibang government companies, ito ay may private shares at mapera ito. parang PNCC.

@ barrera

dahil plano nilang unahin yung papuntang San Fernando.


eh si gma kc taga pampanga..hehe ,dba nga nuong panahon ni marcos, at imelda.. umunlad ang ilocos norte at tacloban leyte.??

oo nga kababayan ko si PGMA pero hindi lang naman ako Kapampangan, hating Novo Ecijano rin ako kaya problema talaga ang papuntang Cabanatuan City. Sa San Fernando o sa Santa Rita Exit ka man magsimula, 3 hours pa rin.

I admit, mas maganda ang Pampanga ngayon... utang na loob namin kay PGMA ang pagiging lungsod ng San Fernando at kay President Macapagal ang pagiging lungsod ng Angeles. Kapag Kapampangan ang pangulo, parang laging may isang bayan sa Pampanga na nagiging lungsod... :lol:

oo nga, sana noon pa ung linkage na inuna nila para naman nadagdagan ung mga rail systems natin dito sa manila at para madali makalakbay mga tao..

sna duon muna dinala ni gloria ung milyon milyon na zte na yan.!!
ang hirap kasi sa mga planners eh patalon talon mga projects.. katulad ng mrt or lrt man yan... sana unahin na nila muna lrt 4 bgo ing mrt 7 man or ung extension sa cvite... start first at the city center tpos palabas to outer regions..
mas madmi kaya ang commuters ng manila-qc-caloocan kesa sa manila-paranque-cavite..

bakit hindi mo muna unahin ang gulo sa bahay mo :lol:

^^ I've seen some youtube videos today.. There were still squatters between Espanya and Sta. Mesa. This is the last squatters areas to be demolished along the Tayuman to Bicutan Section...

Any news about the Pandacan and Buendia Stations?

WoS, Nathan, Barrera: Wag niyo na kaisipin yang Northrail and CVR, pagtuunan na lang muna natin ng pansin yan linkage project. Kung iisip-iisipin lang natin yung Northrail and CVR.. Takaw High blood lang yan. Mahal pa naman pa-ospital ngayon. :D

Can we rename the Thread to Linkage Project...

Im a little bit disappointed over what is happening here in the last several months...

Still the government favors highways over railways. It's just like choosing between devils and slightly deviled... he he he..

siguro meh lobby from auto groups and petrol companies. hehe at pag highway siguro mas madami makukurakot

oo nga, sana noon pa ung linkage na inuna nila para naman nadagdagan ung mga rail systems natin dito sa manila at para madali makalakbay mga tao..

sna duon muna dinala ni gloria ung milyon milyon na zte na yan.!!
ang hirap kasi sa mga planners eh patalon talon mga projects.. katulad ng mrt or lrt man yan... sana unahin na nila muna lrt 4 bgo ing mrt 7 man or ung extension sa cvite... start first at the city center tpos palabas to outer regions..
mas madmi kaya ang commuters ng manila-qc-caloocan kesa sa manila-paranque-cavite..

Dapat unahin yung train from Clark to Manila kasi Clark is the alternative gateway to Manila. This will also spur growth in Bulacan & other northern province. Palagi na lang yung sa South ang nabibiyaan eh yung mga pasosyal dyan hindi naman sumasakay ng train, gusto nila expressway - di ba meron na nga silang South expressway. Dapat yung sa North ang unahin ng train dail talaga naman napag-iwanan na yung Bulacan na malaki ang economic potential.

^^ PNR lots in Paco eyed as site of new hospital

By Allison Lopez
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 05:32:00 04/18/2008

MANILA, Philippines – Two properties of the former Philippine National Railways in Paco, Manila, may become the site of the new city hospital.

Mayor Alfredo Lim directed city officials to check out the 21,943.83 square meters PNR Pandacan lot and the 3,721.71 sq m Santibanez property in Paco.

The city government runs the Ospital ng Maynila Medical Center, Ospital ng Tondo, Ospital ng Sampaloc and Gat Andres Bonifacio Memorial Medical Center. It has yet to open hospitals in District 6 (Pandacan, Sta. Ana and Sta. Mesa) and District 3 (Sta. Cruz and Binondo).

Four other properties forfeited by the PNR to Manila to settle huge tax liabilities are being considered for low-cost housing projects. These are the 2,904.9 sq m lot in San Lazaro; an 11,316.7 sq m lot in the Tayuman-Dagupan area in Tondo; an 18,716.10 sq m lot in Bacorba, Sta. Mesa; and the Cordillera property, also in Sta. Mesa.

^^ This will extremely beautify the PNR right of way surrounding in that areas... I'll show to you in the coming days where is these proposed hospital sites... :cheers:

Can we rename the Thread to Linkage Project...
..

I say we keep using the 'Northrail' name in these threads and never allow it to be forgotten.
Many doing a search for Northrail stuff will find this thread and see how many people are passionate about it all.

Like yourself, I do feel a little depressed by it all. So much money has already been spent, so much waste if it is not to proceed now. Why do these important projects always need to stall?

:ohno:

Brad

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^^ This will extremely beautify the PNR right of way surrounding in that areas... I'll show to you in the coming days where is these proposed hospital sites... :cheers:

Please do, I am extremely interested to see the exaact location they mean.

Brad

Dapat unahin yung train from Clark to Manila kasi Clark is the alternative gateway to Manila. This will also spur growth in Bulacan & other northern province. Palagi na lang yung sa South ang nabibiyaan eh yung mga pasosyal dyan hindi naman sumasakay ng train, gusto nila expressway - di ba meron na nga silang South expressway. Dapat yung sa North ang unahin ng train dail talaga naman napag-iwanan na yung Bulacan na malaki ang economic potential.

They have an expressway but do they have a decent one? Unlike Central and North, the South does have an expressway, a very neglected expressway.

That's because their Expressway was built decades ago. They were the first one to be blessed with an expressway while the Central and North only got theirs way too late already. Let them upgrade their expressway. As for the train, the Clark-Manila Northrail should be given priority.

I don't know if this is good news or not, kahit ako hindi makapaniwala. My mom told us (i mean kaming magkakapatid) that my dad was being asked to take over the northrail project. Take note that my dad is in the military on the engineering side. I can't tell you more info kasi yan lang sinabi sa amin ng mom ko but she added that it's because the chinese left the project (in her own words "kasi nagaalisan na yung mga chinese")

Please do, I am extremely interested to see the exaact location they mean.

Brad

I guess the whole area occupied by the the defunct shopping mall just beside the Old Paco Station....

I don't know if this is good news or not, kahit ako hindi makapaniwala. My mom told us (i mean kaming magkakapatid) that my dad was being asked to take over the northrail project. Take note that my dad is in the military on the engineering side. I can't tell you more info kasi yan lang sinabi sa amin ng mom ko but she added that it's because the chinese left the project (in her own words "kasi nagaalisan na yung mga chinese")


^^ Wow!!! this is extremely a good news... The most important thing is that the project must be continued.

if accurate that does not sound like good news !

Noli reports completion of RR tracks clearing
http://www.mb.com.ph/MAIN20080421122442.html

With the relocation of the last 10 informal settler families living along the railroad tracks in Sta. Cruz, Manila, Vice President and Housing and Urban Development Coordinating Council (HUDCC) Chairman Noli de Castro has turned over last Friday the cleared portion of the Sta. Cruz segment of the South Manila Commuter Rail to the Philippine National Railways (PNR).

De Castro announced the completion of the clearing operations in the Sta. Cruz segment after his inspection of the area, which has been completely cleared of all structures.

A total of 910 families have been relocated from their informal settler communities in seven barangays since the start of the operations in September, 2007. Of these families, 903 were transferred to their new homes in Marilao and San Jose del Monte in Bulacan and Trece Martires City in Cavite.

The remaining seven families received financial assistance to return to their hometowns under the "Balik-Probinsya" option.

"No family was left behind. Everyone was taken care of," De Castro said.

The Vice President said aside from providing them with shelter and security, the relocated families will also be given assistance through livelihood and employment programs in the resettlement sites.

"We have partnered with the Technical Education and Skills Development Authority (TESDA) and other government agencies to provide free work training, as well as employment and livelihood opportunities to the relocatees," he said.

He said the continued upgrading of basic facilities in the resettlement communities is being attended to, including the regular conduct of medical missions in these areas to address the health concerns of the relocatees.

"There are also various initiatives from non-government organizations (NGOs) and People’s Organizations such as the Gawad Kalinga, the Homeless People’s Federation, academic institutions, and foundations, to undertake community improvements and value formation programs," De Castro said.

He said the completion of clearing operations is a big step for the Northrail-Southrail linkage project, a flagship project of President Arroyo, which will restore and modernize the PNR lines from Central Luzon to Southern Luzon.

"We are clearing the way for an important project that will spur the development of Central and Southern Luzon, as well as providing decent and secure homes for the informal settlers," he said.

"So far, we have cleared the north and southrail right-of-way of 46,040 informal settlers --- 23,173 from the Northrail traversing Caloocan North all the way to Calumpit, Bulacan, and 22,867 from the Southrail, mainly from the Manila-Makati-Taguig segments, as well as from Cabuyao and Sta. Rosa in Laguna.

" We hope to complete the clearing of the Tondo and Caloocan-South segments by end of May. Currently, we are also undertaking social preparations for affected families in the Muntinlupa and Parañaque segments."

I don't know if this is good news or not, kahit ako hindi makapaniwala. My mom told us (i mean kaming magkakapatid) that my dad was being asked to take over the northrail project. Take note that my dad is in the military on the engineering side. I can't tell you more info kasi yan lang sinabi sa amin ng mom ko but she added that it's because the chinese left the project (in her own words "kasi nagaalisan na yung mga chinese")

if accurate that does not sound like good news !

Naku definitely not good news yan gaya ng sabi ni Bustero. Bakit naman kaya nag-alisan ang mga chinese?

Noli reports completion of RR tracks clearing
http://www.mb.com.ph/MAIN20080421122442.html

"So far, we have cleared the north and southrail right-of-way of 46,040 informal settlers --- 23,173 from the Northrail traversing Caloocan North all the way to Calumpit, Bulacan, and 22,867 from the Southrail, mainly from the Manila-Makati-Taguig segments, as well as from Cabuyao and Sta. Rosa in Laguna.



Wow, 46000 people is equal to one town. Ang lala talaga ng problema natin sa mga informal settlers.

na frustrate na sila siguro sa tagal na maalis siguro yung mga squatters. o kaya kz bka maimbestigahan na naman ala zte

mas malaki pa sa population ng Palayan City. Tinalo pa yung population ng isang lungsod.

Palayan City= 31,253

Informal settlers= 46,040

if accurate that does not sound like good news !

Yeah I have to agree.
The Chinese dumping the project would be far from good news.
Who would be the operator now? Who would be giving the balance of the finance to construct it?

This is also likely the last nail in the 'trains to Sorsogon (or even Legazpi)' coffin.
Who is going to come in and finance/construct that now.

Brad

I guess the whole area occupied by the the defunct shopping mall just beside the Old Paco Station....

This is interesting, I wonder if the hospital would make use of the remaining Paco station building?
This land was one of my 'dreamed' of areas for a railway museum.

Brad