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jafiti

August 6th, 2009, 11:07 AM

It is terribly sad, actually on both accounts, Cory and the scrapping.
These wheels are incredibly expensive and at a time when every peso counts with the rebuilding of the railways, this is just a terrible sight.
Strangely enough, you would never see this from railway operators that appear to be more cash rich. I mean, what happens when NR-01 needs new wheels or a whole bogie, do we sideline her because we need money for a new bogie? Just like the one we cut up a year ago?

I know I may attract trouble from the society for saying this, but it is this sort of thing that needs to be seriously questioned.
Even the RIHSPI could make real use of these items, not to mention the carriages, many parts of which would still be suitable for the Naga rebuilds.
Its OK to preserve, but you need a large inventory to back it up.
For this reason I am very disappointed.

Yeah I experienced this.
Despite my having a card, only once did I get easy access without one of the board having to be with me.
I eventually did, but this was mostly due to the same debate one would have had without it.
Have to say that it does come in handy when exchanging money to pesos at SM. They accepted the RIHSPI card willingly, which saved a long trip home.
At Calamba they questioned me as to who I was at the depot. Telling me I was an Aussie seemed to sit well with them and they didn't even wish to see it. :) Perhaps they had relatives here....

Best wishes
Brad

RIHSPI ID does not guarantee free access to all PNR compounds. All trips should be properly coordinated with PNR management and members should carry the appropriate ID.

The ID is also for people who does not know yet the society or for easy introduction/identification of a member. And if no longer a member or resigned, ID should be surrendered to the society for appropriate disposal.

As for the scrapping at Tayuman, most of the historic items were already marked with "H" by RIHSPI. The pictures show carriages which were not marked with "H". If other societies like the Philippine Railway Historical Society (which is a different society) for example wishes to restore other items, they should do their own representations with PNR.

Jaime F. Tiongson
President - RIHSPI

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 11:25 AM

^^Thanks Sir Jafiti for clearing it up for us. :D

wheel of steel

August 6th, 2009, 11:37 AM

^^Question po.. panu mo ba masasabi na ang isang rail ay 50kg/m? Ibig sabihin ba nyan yung isang metro ng riles ay 50kg ang bigat? Panu mo sya malalaman ang rating nya kung naka lagay na sya sa daan? Malalaman ba yon sa tingin lang? O kailangan may pang sukat pa? Salamat po Ginoong WoS.. :tongue:

Madali lang, ang height ng 37kg/m rail ay almost 11-12cm while that of the 50kg/m is around 15-16cm. Makapal ang ibabaw ng 50kg/m. Sa unang tingin mas mataba ang hitsura ng 50kg sa 37kg/m. Pero malaking deperensya sa capacidad nilang magdala ng load. Sa 50kg rail, kaya nya ang bigat na 18-20 Tons/Axle Load, sa 37kg 10-12Tons/Axle Load lang. Yung mga bagong modelo ng Narrow Gauge GE Diesel Locomotive ay halos pumapatak ng hanggang 110 Tons. Yung sa Indonesia, 88Tons yung bago nilang locomotive. Sa Malaysia yung Blue Tiger ay halos mahigit 100 Tons.

Kung may 6 na axle ang locomotive, sa 90 Tons na bigat, 15Tons Axle Load ang bigat nya. Sa Blue Whale 900 Series natin, mga 50 Tons ang bigat, may roon syang 6 na axle so, 50Tons/6 Axle = 8.25 Ton/Axle. Kaya ng 37kg/m na riles. Subalit sa 89Tons na locomotive sa Indonesia na may 6 Axle din, 88Tons/6 Axle = 14.66 Tons/Axle. Kaya sa 50kg/m track pero sa 37kg/m hindi.

jafiti

August 6th, 2009, 11:39 AM

^^Thanks Sir Jafiti for clearing it up for us. :D

No problem. We are inviting people here to send to us/post here photos of items scattered along the Main Line South and North that you think should be included in the preservation list.

wheel of steel

August 6th, 2009, 11:40 AM

@riles

impossible ata na magkaron ng mabilis na PNR... teka muna gaano ba kabilis ito? kung kasing bilis ng bullet train hindi talaga pwede ito dahil parang maraming buhay ang kukunin pagnagkataon...

anyways, napadaalan ulet ako sa espana after so long... nakita ko na yung isang parte e inaayos.. i mean yung isang way ay inaayos.. yung kabila ay hindi..

Madali lang, Grade Separation ang solution dyan, tulad sa Malaysia. Exclusively para sa mga train personnel at pasahero lang ang mga right of way nila. Pagdating sa mga Crossings, Unperpass at viaduct ang kanilang design. Walang masasagasaan at diretso lang ang biyahe ng tren. Walang pagaalinlangan. Ganyan ang programa sa Southrail. :cheers:

wheel of steel

August 6th, 2009, 11:41 AM

No problem. We are inviting people here to send to us/post here photos of items scattered along the Main Line South and North that you think should be included in the preservation list.

Hi! Sir Jaime, kumusta po. Sana dito pa ako sa Pinas by September. Pending kasi application ko sa abroad. Hope we see each other. Anytime, I will be called.

bustero

August 6th, 2009, 11:43 AM

I see there is already a lot of excitement regarding the announcement for the new (or refurbishment) of southern lines and "bullet " trains. Unfortunately the opinion that it may not require bidding for southrail is not a wise one. There is a lot of suspicion already on the part of the general public with regards this admininstrations rail projects. Unilateral actions like this bereft of transparency only feed into that atmosphere of clouded credibility. Actually if you read the fine print of what the DOJ opinion is, there is a lot of caveats including opinions and concurences from other agencies like the Gov't procurement policy board, the monetary board and even the DBM. While I would like to see more projects I hope they reconsider their position and have the process publicly vetted so as to produce a quicker overall execution time as it will be bereft of graft and corruption charges based on procedural lapses.

jafiti

August 6th, 2009, 11:46 AM

Hi! Sir Jaime, kumusta po. Sana dito pa ako sa Pinas by September. Pending kasi application ko sa abroad. Hope we see each other. Anytime, I will be called.

Magkita na lang tayo dito sa Metro Manila kung luluwas ka before September. Kung nandito ka pa, sabay tayo sumakay ng Bicol train.

wheel of steel

August 6th, 2009, 11:50 AM

Magkita na lang tayo dito sa Metro Manila kung luluwas ka before September. Kung nandito ka pa, sabay tayo sumakay ng Bicol train.

No, problem Sir. When I go out to Manila, konti lang talaga ang free time ko as I have to return back the same day. Hopefully, sa follow up ng Visa Ko.:cheers:

shranethomas

August 6th, 2009, 11:59 AM

ewB1AcX_OsY

So masmabigat pala itong trains na ito compared sa whales
natin.

Anyway wish you a good trip wherever you will go.
Well Internet based naman itong usapan
kaya parang di ka mawawala.:).....:wave:

shranethomas

August 6th, 2009, 12:02 PM

RIHSPI ID does not guarantee free access to all PNR compounds. All trips should be properly coordinated with PNR management and members should carry the appropriate ID.

The ID is also for people who does not know yet the society or for easy introduction/identification of a member. And if no longer a member or resigned, ID should be surrendered to the society for appropriate disposal.

As for the scrapping at Tayuman, most of the historic items were already marked with "H" by RIHSPI. The pictures show carriages which were not marked with "H". If other societies like the Philippine Railway Historical Society (which is a different society) for example wishes to restore other items, they should do their own representations with PNR.

Jaime F. Tiongson
President - RIHSPI

Salamat at hindi nadamay ang mga minarkahan ng Society. Di po ako makasalubong sa mga triplets bukas. I'll just wait for the updates.

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 03:16 PM

No problem. We are inviting people here to send to us/post here photos of items scattered along the Main Line South and North that you think should be included in the preservation list.

Yung mga naka markang H sa Tutuban wala na tayong problema. Ang ina-alala ko yung mga Signal Boxes inside the triangulo area. Baka magulat na lang tayo na giniba na rin yan gaya ng ginawa sa Blumentritt. Na yung brick wall na lang ang naka tayo at tambak na ng basura ang loob. :ohno:

Napansin ko dito sa Solis may itinayo na sila na concrete base ng bagong signal box. Malamang gigibain nila yung lumang signal box doon... :ohno:

Jrommel

August 6th, 2009, 03:24 PM

bullet trains are not advisable in the philippines,we're just a small country..
i think high-speed trains will do...:)

Sky Harbor

August 6th, 2009, 03:32 PM

^^ Taiwan and South Korea are but a fraction of the Philippines' size but they have bullet trains. Size and train speed in this case are not correlated.

ayhan456

August 6th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Madali lang, ang height ng 37kg/m rail ay almost 11-12cm while that of the 50kg/m is around 15-16cm. Makapal ang ibabaw ng 50kg/m. Sa unang tingin mas mataba ang hitsura ng 50kg sa 37kg/m. Pero malaking deperensya sa capacidad nilang magdala ng load. Sa 50kg rail, kaya nya ang bigat na 18-20 Tons/Axle Load, sa 37kg 10-12Tons/Axle Load lang. Yung mga bagong modelo ng Narrow Gauge GE Diesel Locomotive ay halos pumapatak ng hanggang 110 Tons. Yung sa Indonesia, 88Tons yung bago nilang locomotive. Sa Malaysia yung Blue Tiger ay halos mahigit 100 Tons.

Kung may 6 na axle ang locomotive, sa 90 Tons na bigat, 15Tons Axle Load ang bigat nya. Sa Blue Whale 900 Series natin, mga 50 Tons ang bigat, may roon syang 6 na axle so, 50Tons/6 Axle = 8.25 Ton/Axle. Kaya ng 37kg/m na riles. Subalit sa 89Tons na locomotive sa Indonesia na may 6 Axle din, 88Tons/6 Axle = 14.66 Tons/Axle. Kaya sa 50kg/m track pero sa 37kg/m hindi.

w0w,angas,hahaha...:lol:^^:applause:

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Salamat at hindi nadamay ang mga minarkahan ng Society. Di po ako makasalubong sa mga triplets bukas. I'll just wait for the updates.

Di daw darating ang triplets bukas. False labor lang pala yung nangyari. Sa Aug 19 daw ang due date sabi ng OB. :lol:

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 03:47 PM

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 03:51 PM

No, problem Sir. When I go out to Manila, konti lang talaga ang free time ko as I have to return back the same day. Hopefully, sa follow up ng Visa Ko.:cheers:

Sir WoS!!!!!! Iiwanan nyo na kami!!! Huhuhuhuhuhuhhuu.... Wag ka na munang umalis!! Hintayin mo na munang matapos ang NorthRail at SouthRail project!! Kung puwede pang humirit.. Hintayin mo na rin matapos ang MRT7... :banana::lol:

ayhan456

August 6th, 2009, 03:52 PM

mga sir,pede mag tanong?nag hi-hire po ba ang PNR ng mga bagong empleyado like tiga linis ng DMU at tiga pito bluewhale.kung meron man pede paki balitaan ako,kc my nakita ako nung martes nag round trip ako sa tutuban sakay ng DMU03 mga 4:45 pa balik na ako ng sta,mesa sakay ng bluewhale[inde ko na tandaan ung plate no.]iba na ung mga nag pipito.kung dati mga my eded na ngaun halos mga binata na ang mga nag pipito.:cheers::)

ayhan456

August 6th, 2009, 03:55 PM

Ahhh.... ang daming numbers nyan... allergic ako sa math!!! :runaway:

dumugo nga ung ilong ko nung mabasa ko ung mga type ni sir WOS...:lol:

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 03:57 PM

TheNicoVillanueva

August 6th, 2009, 04:02 PM

i'm getting the feeling that mauuna matapos ung southrail kesa sa northrail. less yata ung obstacles sa south no?? tama ba?

dancethingy

August 6th, 2009, 04:14 PM

happosai

August 6th, 2009, 04:17 PM

^^Tapusin muna nila ang linkage project...

ADDDDA

August 6th, 2009, 04:36 PM

shranethomas

August 6th, 2009, 05:03 PM

Di daw darating ang triplets bukas. False labor lang pala yung nangyari. Sa Aug 19 daw ang due date sabi ng OB. :lol:

:lol::lol:

shranethomas

August 6th, 2009, 05:18 PM

ako din...pano ba mag apply ng driver ng PNR? gusto ko mag drive ng tren eh.

sino sa inyo ang naglalaro ng Railroad Tycoon 3? :banana:

Meron Ako dito Railroads, ganda ng graphics.:banana: Meron din akong RRTycoon 3 laro tayo ng Online hehehe, ubusin ko pera mo! hahaha:lol::lol::eat:

ADDDDA

August 6th, 2009, 05:49 PM

Meron Ako dito Railroads, ganda ng graphics.:banana: Meron din akong RRTycoon 3 laro tayo ng Online hehehe, ubusin ko pera mo! hahaha:lol::lol::eat:

waa! baka magaling ka na dun, newbie pa lang ako...kaka-aliw eh..:banana:

alcogoodwin

August 6th, 2009, 10:43 PM

What happened to her? Why there are no rails?

I am not entirely sure of the outcome of the investigation, but the driver was going way to fast at this curve which had a speed restriction placed on it.

The two rails are there, they are just pushed together as can be seen. That second rail is not a giude rail.

Regards
Brad

alcogoodwin

August 6th, 2009, 10:47 PM

Holy Crap! What happened? If am not mistaken this was the DMU version of the tilt train.

It was the diesel version.
Not DMU in the true sense, as it had locomotives at both ends with standard carriages in between.
Though I suppose you could argue that the ROTEM cars are the same.

Brad

alcogoodwin

August 6th, 2009, 10:49 PM

is it possible for anyone to build their own railway on their town?
maybe even for the sake of just having a one?

With local government permission I can't see why not.
If you lived in Pagsanjan I am sure you could get permission to rebuild the line there. Of course, it may help to win Lotto a few times to pay for it :lol:

alcogoodwin

August 6th, 2009, 11:13 PM

As for the scrapping at Tayuman, most of the historic items were already marked with "H" by RIHSPI. The pictures show carriages which were not marked with "H". If other societies like the Philippine Railway Historical Society (which is a different society) for example wishes to restore other items, they should do their own representations with PNR.

Jaime F. Tiongson
President - RIHSPI

While that is not relevant to what I said (mostly a way of having a dig at a society that is trying to support you), it does raise a question regarding the 'H' placement on 7A type carriages.
With this latest list of scrappings and the 30 NR/7A type that are to be refurbished, coupled with at least one private proposal to restore two of them, how many do we have left for preservation?

For clarity of 'Philippine Railway Historical Society' intent to SSC members.
We are, as before as the ANZ, basically a support group. We have a slowly growing (but it is growing) membership and our primary goal is to raise money to donate to railway preservation groups in the Philippines.

Yesterday I officially stood down as president of the ANZ Chapter of the RIHSPI, which was little more than a formality, as the PRHS will be doing exactly the same thing.
The only change is that we can now donate to any railway preservation project in the Philippines that is an official project, this includes Mr Tiongson's RIHSPI.
I have made a number of approaches to the RIHSPI about their interest in continued financial support, but to date only the Vice-President has replied.

So why bother with the name change?

There seemed to be significant confusion over our use of the RIHSPI name.
PNR especially seemed to continually link our group, which was autonomous, the the Philippine based one. Due to cultural differences, this caused a bit of trouble for the Manila group.
At a board meeting here it was voted to enforce the idea that we were seperate by utilizing a new name. We would still support Philippine preservation as before, but we would technically call them grants so as to appear a different society.

At the current time we are investigating a number of proposals, but to date we have no plans to preserve our own rollingstock. As this would be difficult from Australia, I am unsure where the idea has risen from.
This is not to say we wont in the future.

First and foremost, my love of Philippine railways means that I will do whatever it takes to help the preservation of it along, preservation of items the 'CORRECT' way.
The PRHS will ALWAYS support ANY railway society in the Philippines and look forward to one day being allowed to support the RIHSPI financially, historically and technically again, when we learn to put preservation ahead of grudges.

The PNR will be hearing from us in coming weeks.

Best wishes
Brad Peadon
President: Philippine Railway Historical Society

alcogoodwin

August 6th, 2009, 11:58 PM

Can anyone confirm if the recent scrappings also included the derelict old CMC/CTC carriages sitting at Tayuman, CMC-380 included?
These were all listed as 'awaiting repair' in June, but there is serious little chance for them to be used again, other than in preservation.

Brad

IndioBravo

August 7th, 2009, 12:04 AM

How far is CWC from the train station?

Jrommel

August 7th, 2009, 02:49 AM

^^ Taiwan and South Korea are but a fraction of the Philippines' size but they have bullet trains. Size and train speed in this case are not correlated.

does bullet trains in Taiwan and South Korea also traverse rail bridges like PNR's DMUs?
are bullet trains in Taiwan and South Korea all land based?

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 02:54 AM

does bullet trains in Taiwan and South Korea also traverse rail bridges like PNR's DMUs?
are bullet trains in Taiwan and South Korea all land based?

Im no expert, but would have to assume they use modern concrete bridges. They would have to cross something along the way.
Fast trains are usually land based yes, but can be elevated or sunk when needed.

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 02:55 AM

Meron Ako dito Railroads, ganda ng graphics.:banana: Meron din akong RRTycoon 3 laro tayo ng Online hehehe, ubusin ko pera mo! hahaha:lol::lol::eat:

Uy pre asan yun CD ng simulation? palaro ako.

Regarding RR TYCOON, paano maglaro nyan? Do I need to install or sa mga internet cafe meron ba ganyan game?

---

Happy Happs, oo nga daw false labor yun pagdating ng triplets... Paano ang leave mo for today? Punta ka ng Caloocan yard na lang :lol:

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 03:28 AM

Newly Painted Blue Whale at Naga City, Camarines Sur

PNR OPERATION AREA:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5175/pnr26.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2958/pnr25.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8199/pnr24.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9176/pnr22.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4206/pnr21.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1475/pnr20.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4903/pnr19.jpg

^^ Photos from bobbymay74 of Naga City and Camarines Norte and Camarines Sur Thread

Ang blue whale kaya na nasa picture ay si Blue Whale 918
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SxXU5qLSk60/SbcY8QSkJxI/AAAAAAAAALM/4OO6ABXmXsU/s1600/Naga_A_918Front_Paul_Hornby.jpg
^^ Photo credit to Mr. Paul Hornby

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 03:33 AM

Ang blue whale kaya na nasa picture ay si Blue Whale 918
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SxXU5qLSk60/SbcY8QSkJxI/AAAAAAAAALM/4OO6ABXmXsU/s1600/Naga_A_918Front_Paul_Hornby.jpg
^^ Photo credit to Mr. Paul Hornby

Good ol Paul is getting some great stuff down there.
The Naga guys are really doing a fantastic job on that locomotive. It certainly is going the full way, not just a bodgy paint job.
I suppose she will recieve the new logos, so I wonder how they will handle the whiskers given it would match together.

Very good.

wheel of steel

August 7th, 2009, 04:27 AM

Ahhh.... ang daming numbers nyan... allergic ako sa math!!! :runaway:

Thats a good idea. Stay away from these numbers..

wheel of steel

August 7th, 2009, 04:28 AM

^^Tapusin muna nila ang linkage project...

Can't accept it. I cant afford to wait until 2012.

wheel of steel

August 7th, 2009, 04:33 AM

Sir WoS!!!!!! Iiwanan nyo na kami!!! Huhuhuhuhuhuhhuu.... Wag ka na munang umalis!! Hintayin mo na munang matapos ang NorthRail at SouthRail project!! Kung puwede pang humirit.. Hintayin mo na rin matapos ang MRT7... :banana::lol:

Sakit ng ulo ko nga eh! Yung isip ko minsan umaandar, kahit saan ako magpunta, isip ko sa riles pa rin... :lol::lol::lol:

Kagabi I've had a time thinking of what GM Andal said 2-3 hours ang Naga City from Manila once the Southrail is done. Since walang detail ang project, nagisip-isip ako kung saan posibleng bibilis ang tren gamit ang standard gauge o narrow gauge, at kung saan papadaanin, kung sa dati o sa bago base sa statement ni Andal. Sa statement na parallel line, dalawa ang aking naging assessment.

wheel of steel

August 7th, 2009, 04:36 AM

i'm getting the feeling that mauuna matapos ung southrail kesa sa northrail. less yata ung obstacles sa south no?? tama ba?

The last statement made by PNR, the project Southrail seems under modification. I have 2 analysis for that which later I might post.

wheel of steel

August 7th, 2009, 04:37 AM

^^Ang balita ko naghahanap sila ng pitopito at requirements nila ay yung naka barong na may biyak sa likod.. :lol:
Kung may magandang opening sa PNR, mag aapply din ako. Kailangan ko na yata ng career change. Nababato na ako sa trabaho ko ngayon. Walang growth.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Kung meron man, sa Chinese Sub-Contractor. Kunin nila DMCI, sureball mas mabilis yan matapos.

AmbutLang

August 7th, 2009, 04:40 AM

ako din...pano ba mag apply ng driver ng PNR? gusto ko mag drive ng tren eh.

sino sa inyo ang naglalaro ng Railroad Tycoon 3? :banana:

Dito sa NYC Transit mag civil service test lang para motorman/train operator. Ang qualification sa test ay high school graduate lang. Kasi ang test is reading comprehension at visual. No color blind.

Some of PNR jobs are civil service test

jpdm

August 7th, 2009, 04:46 AM

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9048/pnr18.jpg
Originally Posted by bobbymay74

The GI sheets near the rehab engines seems to show the Naga guys are not just mere "painting" the trains but actually have done body repairs...

...I think they are doing great...

...makinis at pulido pagkagawa...

...Bravo PNR!!:cheers:

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 04:59 AM

^^Kasama ba dyan ang pag overhaul ng mga makina?

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 05:11 AM

The demolition team are here in Tondo and they are demolishing the remaining illegal settlers. Photos to be posted later....

riles28

August 7th, 2009, 05:29 AM

Buti naman at aalisin na yan mga yan kaya sana magtuloy tuloy na para tuluyan ng mawala ang mga IS at umusad na ang paggawa ng mga riles.

Katuwa naman yung refurbished locomotive talagang pulido ang pagkakagawa at talagang mukhang bagong anyo na pag nagbalik nasa byahe kasama ang mag bagong refurbished car, Sa tingin ko doon sa litrato ay aayusin rin yung driver cabin.

Ecija

August 7th, 2009, 05:46 AM

Ang ganda naman ng color combination white and blue. Dapat pala sa inaugural run ng blue whale meron ding apat na "Honor Guard" na nakatayo sa bubong ng tren hanggang Bicol.:lol:

riles28

August 7th, 2009, 06:07 AM

Nakita ko sa youtube ang paggawa ng bullet train sa Japan bago ito patakbuhin noong unang taon nito sa serbisyo, taong 1964 talagang pinag aralan ang mga diseyo ng riles at mga iba pang pasilidas upang masiguro ang kaligtasan kaya sana ganyan rito sa atin seryosohin rin naman ang pagsasaayos ng riles upang masiguro ang kaligtasan ng publiko lalo na ang parte ng riles sa bicol upang matupad ang sinasabi ng PNR na mabilis na byahe mula Maynila hanggang Bicol.

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 07:17 AM

Ang ganda naman ng color combination white and blue. Dapat pala sa inaugural run ng blue whale meron ding apat na "Honor Guard" na nakatayo sa bubong ng tren hanggang Bicol.:lol:

Yun mga Bicolano ang mag-honor guard:
1. Mr. Bicol
2. Ayhan456
3. Igor09
4. Marvi (kaso nasa abroad kaya si Absinthe_888 na lang since madalas siya dati sa Ragay)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wag kayo gagalaw ha habang naandar ang tren ng 120KPH. Dadaigin ninyo yun honor guards ni Tita Cory :lol: :lol: :lol:

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 07:22 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070058.jpg
^^Tutuban bound tracks inside the triangulo area

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070059.jpg
^^Solis Signal Box

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070062.jpg
^^Wavey rails. Temporary track for PNR maintenance crew and demolition team

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070063.jpg
^^Steel ties found in the old tracks.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070064.jpg
^^Abad Santos area. Ballast now in placed and awaiting for new tracks to be laid.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070065.jpg
^^New rails has been laid but no clips has been installed yet.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070066.jpg
^^No clips

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070067.jpg
^^A rail that leads to hell... :lol:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070068.jpg
^^Brand new rail?

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 07:23 AM

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9048/pnr18.jpg
Originally Posted by bobbymay74

The GI sheets near the rehab engines seems to show the Naga guys are not just mere "painting" the trains but actually have done body repairs...:

Yes, as per earlier posting.
Will look great when done. Hopefully used good paint to.

Brad

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 07:23 AM

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 07:27 AM

Yes, as per earlier posting.
Will look great when done. Hopefully used good paint to.

Brad

Hey Uncle Brad,

Check your yahoo mail...

I send you some interesting pictures... :D

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 07:35 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070069.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070071.jpg
^^The rails has been lifted and tampered once again. Looks like the rails are now positioned the right way.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070073.jpg

jpdm

August 7th, 2009, 07:38 AM

Nice updates sir!:cheers:

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 07:42 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070074.jpg
^^Sneaky little devil you!! :lol:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070075.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070076.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070077.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070078.jpg
^^^^Introducing... Blue Whale 919 hauling the demolition team

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070079.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070081.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070083.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070087.jpg

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 07:46 AM

^^ happy happs, sa last picture, bakit yun mga tuta hindi nila kinuha :lol:

jpdm

August 7th, 2009, 07:47 AM

^^^^

The police train car should be equipped with M-60 and flame throwers for added punch...to facilitate the demolition:nuts:

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 07:47 AM

Hey Uncle Brad,

Check your yahoo mail...

I send you some interesting pictures... :D

Maraming salamat, I shall do that.

Thanks for sharing these shots. The endless developments around the triangle are amazing. Its like a whole different place.

Brad

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 07:51 AM

^^^^

The police train car should be equipped with M-60 and flame throwers for added punch...to facilitate the demolition:nuts:

Oh yes please.

Wonder if one of our Photoshop wizards could do that for the website.
Give PNR some ideas :lol:

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 07:54 AM

PEEK A BOO!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070074.jpg

Lovely shots as always and one of my beloved 900s.
If only we could save all of them :)

Was this taken today (Friday) and is it heading back towards Tayuman?

Thanks
Brad

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 07:55 AM

^^ happy happs, sa last picture, bakit yun mga tuta hindi nila kinuha :lol:

Baka kasi sabihin magkanda tuta sila sa tren... :lol::lol:

^^^^

The police train car should be equipped with M-60 and flame throwers for added punch...to facilitate the demolition:nuts:

Mababait pa nga ang demolition crew eh di pa giniba bahay nila. At di lahat ng gamit kinuha. Baka may 2nd and 3rd round pa yan. Kulang na kasi space sa "cart" nila para paglagyan ng mga gamit.

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 08:33 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070076.jpg

This explains where that huge pile of furnature they burn in Tayuman Yard comes from :lol:

I love these high shots that you take, they look just like a model railway.
When we get to launching the PRHS Modellers Group, these photos will give the best modelling ideas as they are taken from the view of the public at exhibitions.

Brad

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 08:41 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070063.jpg
^^Steel ties found in the old tracks.

I wonder what era these date from?
Are they rare enough to make them important and worth saving an example or two?

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 08:49 AM

^^Thats the first time I saw a steel ties. I didn't know PNR is capable of using such ties.

Ecija

August 7th, 2009, 08:56 AM

Thanks sa updates, unti-unti ng naaayos ang Triangulo area.:)

Ang tanong: Sino hihiga sa kabaong?? :lol::lol:

Siguro pwede na yung mga IS na matitigas ang ulo.:lol:

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 09:00 AM

Thanks sa updates, unti-unti ng naaayos ang Triangulo area.:)

Siguro pwede na yung mga IS na matitigas ang ulo.:lol:

Kukuha na lang ako ng mga wooden ties at ipapako ko na lang sila doon.. :tongue:

ayhan456

August 7th, 2009, 09:16 AM

Sakit ng ulo ko nga eh! Yung isip ko minsan umaandar, kahit saan ako magpunta, isip ko sa riles pa rin... :lol::lol::lol:

Kagabi I've had a time thinking of what GM Andal said 2-3 hours ang Naga City from Manila once the Southrail is done. Since walang detail ang project, nagisip-isip ako kung saan posibleng bibilis ang tren gamit ang standard gauge o narrow gauge, at kung saan papadaanin, kung sa dati o sa bago base sa statement ni Andal. Sa statement na parallel line, dalawa ang aking naging assessment.

baka ung sinasabi ni [GM]Andal na 2-3 hours na biyahe pa puntang bicol ehh baka sa himpapawid padaanin ung PNR.:lol::lol::lol:^^

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 09:18 AM

^^Philippine National Airways... :lol:

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 09:19 AM

baka ung sinasabi ni [GM]Andal na 2-3 hours na biyahe pa puntang bicol ehh baka sa himpapawid padaanin ung PNR.:lol::lol::lol:^^

Mabagal kung ganoon kasi less than 1hr lang ang flight Manila to Legaspi

ayhan456

August 7th, 2009, 09:26 AM

Ang ganda naman ng color combination white and blue. Dapat pala sa inaugural run ng blue whale meron ding apat na "Honor Guard" na nakatayo sa bubong ng tren hanggang Bicol.:lol:

anu un,parang sinabi mona din na wala taung orininality nyan.:lol:^^

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 09:27 AM

Was this taken today (Friday) and is it heading back towards Tayuman?

Thanks
Brad

Yup.. It was just taken earlier today. It is heading to Caloocan and it just started its demolition duty...

groundzero

August 7th, 2009, 09:30 AM

Kanina mga 2pm, may nakita akong 8-12(?) wheeler truck along Mindanao Avenue heading North Avenue na puro bogies and parts ng train (mukhang scrap)...
hindi ko nga lang nakuhanan ng picture kasi ang bilis ng takbo namin... :lol:

kalbongdad

August 7th, 2009, 09:39 AM

^^ happy happs, sa last picture, bakit yun mga tuta hindi nila kinuha :lol:

kasi mga dog food yun....aso na pagkain sa tagalog...ulam yun :lol: joke lang...

ayhan456

August 7th, 2009, 09:42 AM

Yun mga Bicolano ang mag-honor guard:
1. Mr. Bicol
2. Ayhan456
3. Igor09
4. Marvi (kaso nasa abroad kaya si Absinthe_888 na lang since madalas siya dati sa Ragay)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wag kayo gagalaw ha habang naandar ang tren ng 120KPH. Dadaigin ninyo yun honor guards ni Tita Cory :lol: :lol: :lol:

wahahaha...pang 2nd honor guard ako:lol:...ang hirap naman nung pinapagawa nyu sa amin sir DC,walang upuan,walang ihian,walang inuman ng tubig at higit sa lahat walang galawan.kung gus2 nyu sir DC palit tau ng puwesto kayo maging honor guard.:lol:^^

shranethomas

August 7th, 2009, 09:46 AM

I wonder what era these date from?
Are they rare enough to make them important and worth saving an example or two?
I believe they are very rare a museum piece, its old as the railroad to Dagupan.

shranethomas

August 7th, 2009, 09:48 AM

wahahaha...pang 2nd honor guard ako:lol:...ang hirap naman nung pinapagawa nyu sa amin sir DC,walang upuan,walang ihian,walang inuman ng tubig at higit sa lahat walang galawan.kung gus2 nyu sir DC palit tau ng puwesto kayo maging honor guard.:lol:^^

Sige, tapos ako na lang ang mag volunteer sa Loob ng Kabaong.:lol::lol::lol::fiddle:

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 10:28 AM

I believe they are very rare a museum piece, its old as the railroad to Dagupan.

JC, if your listening, perhaps you could notify the RIHSPI.
May need to be quick :(

Brad

Ecija

August 7th, 2009, 11:02 AM

wahahaha...pang 2nd honor guard ako:lol:...ang hirap naman nung pinapagawa nyu sa amin sir DC,walang upuan,walang ihian,walang inuman ng tubig at higit sa lahat walang galawan.kung gus2 nyu sir DC palit tau ng puwesto kayo maging honor guard.:lol:^^

OT: Ayaw niyo? Ang pinaka-matikas daw na honor guard eh may libreng dinner date dun sa magandang koreana.:lol:

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 11:30 AM

OT: Ayaw niyo? Ang pinaka-matikas daw na honor guard eh may libreng dinner date dun sa magandang koreana.:lol:

Ako ang judge. May close door meeting muna kami ni korean journalist before ang awarding. Sa DE LUXE sleeper coach ang meeting namin:lol:.

Ecija

August 7th, 2009, 11:42 AM

^^Mr. DC baka mag-coup yung apat na honor guard kapag ganun.:guns1::guns1::guns1::guns1:

:lol:

happosai

August 7th, 2009, 12:05 PM

OT: Bukas naka-PUP-PE Uniform ako. Baka makita mo ako. Ikaw na bumati sa akin. Hehehe... :)
^^sige papupuntahin ko sa Sta. Mesa station yung mga kakilala kong mahahalay na bading at ipapahanap kita para kurutin ka sa singet. :lol::nuts:

Ako ang judge. May close door meeting muna kami ni korean journalist before ang awarding. Sa DE LUXE sleeper coach ang meeting namin:lol:.

^^sorry ka na lang DC. Loyal daw sya sa korean products. Kaya eto kami ngayon sa cockpit ng DMU-03 with closed curtain. Ang hirap pala dito sa chair ng operator lalu na kung may naka kandong sayo. :lol:

The horny toad

August 7th, 2009, 12:27 PM

jpdm

August 7th, 2009, 12:31 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070074.jpg

I hope MMDA will help in beautifying the ROW....

This will make the train ride more exciting and relaxing...:cheers:

jpdm

August 7th, 2009, 12:33 PM

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 12:36 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070059.jpg
^^Solis Signal Box

Thanks for the great photo there.
Where is Solis box in relation to the Tondo angle as such?
This box should be preserved, as it is a true classic English signal box and has seen so much passing of Philippine history...over so many years...
Dont let it be demolished like a great tree, that has seen the death of ages, only to slaughtered by a chainsaw in minutes, like Blumentritt.
Save Solis box now, while you can...
It is worth it if you love the origins of the railways in the Philippines.

Signalbox Photo: Happosai

I agree Colonel, it is a lovely looking structure and its so exciting to see these all still last, yet so depressing to see the fate of Blumentritt after all these years.

Looking at it, it looks like it would be the north fork. Was the south fork box on the east or west side when you saw it?
This triangle and its boxes has so much potential as a heritage centre like Thrillmere. Would take an offensive amount of pera to achieve though.

Cheers
Brad

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 12:37 PM

I hope MMDA will help in beautifying the ROW....

This will make the train ride more exciting and relaxing...:cheers:

And photography more pretty :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

alcogoodwin

August 7th, 2009, 12:49 PM

daily commuter

August 7th, 2009, 01:04 PM

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happosai

August 7th, 2009, 01:06 PM

OT Question.

What is access like to 'Manila Memorial Park' if one wished to visit the grave site of President Gloria?
Dothey allow public access for people to visit their president - or is permission gainable?

Thanks
Brad

^^first of all, GMA is not yet dead. :lol: and the Manila Memorial Park is open to the public. My grandfather and grandmothers are burried there also. :D

firebar10

August 7th, 2009, 01:48 PM

shranethomas

August 7th, 2009, 02:01 PM

jafiti

August 7th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Yung mga naka markang H sa Tutuban wala na tayong problema. Ang ina-alala ko yung mga Signal Boxes inside the triangulo area. Baka magulat na lang tayo na giniba na rin yan gaya ng ginawa sa Blumentritt. Na yung brick wall na lang ang naka tayo at tambak na ng basura ang loob. :ohno:

Napansin ko dito sa Solis may itinayo na sila na concrete base ng bagong signal box. Malamang gigibain nila yung lumang signal box doon... :ohno:

Hi Happosai,

The Abad Santos box was already listed in our heritage list including the interlocking mechanisms and levers. This signal box was surveyed already including others last January 2009 and detailed architectural plans already prepared. The signal box will be preserved either on-site or off-site depending on the plans of PNR (i.e. extension of Skyway).

As for the Solis Box, we will survey this (if we have the volunteers) and assess if it has still 80% of the original structure and components. The 80% is the requirement of the National Historical Institute for a building to be declared a "historic landmark".

The Solis box was covered with informal settlers when we conducted the survey of the triangulo area last January 2009.

It is so easy to say that we should restore or preserve this or that on this forum but actually preserving/restoring something needs a lot of work and not just typing comments and posting pictures.

Posting pictures/comments publicly based on my experience also hurt the preservation/restoration process because collectors might use the information to get whatever is out there for their own personal collection.

jafiti

August 7th, 2009, 03:08 PM

The PNR/MRR with its more than a hundred years of history is literally teeming with assets(stations, rail operation support facilities, rolling stocks, etc.) that are worthy of preservation. These can give a glimpse on the history of rail service in the Philippines outside of photographs. Maybe the National Historical Institute can be invited to appraise PNR properties that have great historical significance and earmark them for preservation. Its a good way to educate the people that the PNR is not about old dilapidated coaches and informal settlers, but a vehicle of national progress and a witness to history.

Hi Firebar,

RIHSPI and NHI visited Paco Railroad Station last Thursday and jointly inspected the station. This is the second to the last step before NHI declares it a historic landmark or site.

We were also informed that NHI already visited Legaspi Railroad Station. A local university there is requesting that NHI declare the station historic too.

There is a symposium at UP Diliman re new Heritage Bill sponsored by Senator Angara this month. RIHSPI will attend the said forum and will actively participate so that the new heritage bill will have the much desired teeth for NHI and National Museum.

olineil

August 7th, 2009, 03:12 PM

OT: Ayaw niyo? Ang pinaka-matikas daw na honor guard eh may libreng dinner date dun sa magandang koreana.:lol:

--- bat gusto nyong makipag-date as Koreana? May buhok ang kili-kili ng mga yan, sing haba ng buhok sa kili-kili ng lalaki. Hehehe. :)

firebar10

August 7th, 2009, 03:23 PM

sir jafiti,

It really wonderful to know that there are guys like you who are really exerting the effort to present the PNR in its glory, past, present, future.

I congratulate you sir for your work, I would love to be part of it too since I'm also a railfan like you guys, but I'm abroad right now, still the progress you post here really gives me hope that finally PNR is rising again.

Thanks sir

igor09

August 7th, 2009, 03:27 PM

--- bat gusto nyong makipag-date as Koreana? May buhok ang kili-kili ng mga yan, sing haba ng buhok sa kili-kili ng lalaki. Hehehe. :)

Kung ganon kailangan ko pala magdala ng pang-ahit....:nuts::nuts::lol:

Ecija

August 7th, 2009, 03:29 PM

Kung ganon kailangan ko pala magdala ng pang-ahit....:nuts::nuts::lol:

OT: Ang tiyaga mo sir, aahitan mo pa talaga ha.:lol::lol::lol:

igor09

August 7th, 2009, 03:32 PM

OT: Ang tiyaga mo sir, aahitan mo pa talaga ha.:lol::lol::lol:

OT: Idadamay ko na lahat sir hindi lang ung sa kilikili...:nuts::nuts:

r93k401

August 7th, 2009, 03:58 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8070074.jpg
I hope MMDA will help in beautifying the ROW....

This will make the train ride more exciting and relaxing...:cheers:

tama ka dyan para maayos na yang poso negro at imburnal na nakatiwangwang along the riles. nakakadiri naman..:ohno::ohno:

ADDDDA

August 7th, 2009, 04:21 PM

^^ para saan po ba ang Box Box na pinag uusapan niyo mga brothers?

batang_riles30

August 7th, 2009, 04:21 PM

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 01:32 AM

GOOD MORNING!!

Tanong lang po? Pano po ba mag-round trip sa DMU? :)

susubukan ko po kasing sumakay kay white shark mamayang hapon :lol:

:banana::banana::banana:

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 01:51 AM

Photos from the net (Trains.com)

PNR coaches
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/DSC00057.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/DSC00056.jpg

Scrapped whales
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/DSC00059.jpg

^^
Sirs, anu-ano pong class ng coach ung nasa taas? tapos may 7A-??? di ko po mabasa eh. . .

Kawawang mga whales naman yan :ohno::ohno:

Sir Brad, you know that website right? I found these photos there.

:ohno::ohno: poor whales

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 01:58 AM

Hi Happosai,
Posting pictures/comments publicly based on my experience also hurt the preservation/restoration process because collectors might use the information to get whatever is out there for their own personal collection.

^^Even if I didn't post them here, those items still has a threat of being stolen. Stolen by scavengers, squatters, and even baranggay officials with interest in selling them to the junk shop. If PNR value those items. They should secure them and take them to Tayuman yard instead of letting them rot in the sidewalk along with other materials.

jafiti

August 8th, 2009, 03:58 AM

^^Even if I didn't post them here, those items still has a threat of being stolen. Stolen by scavengers, squatters, and even baranggay officials with interest in selling them to the junk shop. If PNR value those items. They should secure them and take them to Tayuman yard instead of letting them rot in the sidewalk along with other materials.

Of course they are in danger from being sold for scrap by the informal settlers for their daily subsistence. But the worst kind of people are those antique dealers who will try to encourage the informal settlers to get all these items for a few bucks and sell outside the Philippines. Posting on the Internet will make their operations very easy.

Do you know how much a GE builder' plate cost? Do you know that some of the PNR Blue Whale builder's plates were illegally acquired by antique dealers are now outside the Philippines? The builder's plates are now part of the collection of some people who call themselves Philippine heritage preservationists. The antique dealers are the worst enemy of any museum.

RIHSPI has a standing MOA with PNR to save heritage equipment for future museum use. We need the help of everybody achieve this goal. We have more than 1,000 kms to cover.

The first thing people here should do if a heritage item was discovered is to notify the foreman or the construction supervisor that what they have uncovered are heritage items and must be secured. The second step is to notify the Barangay Officials of the discovery. Notify PNR or RIHSPI so that an investigation will be conducted and these items will be transferred to a secure PNR compound if it qualifies as a heritage item/museum piece.

One can also contact the National Museum if they have discovered a burial site or an old settlement area.

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 04:26 AM

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 05:05 AM

report from our naga friend...:D

Hi Daily commuter and all PNR thread group,
thanks for your time to drop by. I visited PNR Central station yesterday. I talked to the head of the operation Naga- Lucena, his name is Engr Jiminez. He told me that there are 33 UNITS are exisiting in Naga Central Station. The following information are:

1. They have a number of colors that they will used. They called it PNR BLUE, WHITE, GOLD and maybe 2 more colors will be added( Model 7A-2000). They purchased the train engines in the 90's under GE (General Electric ) . - i will post pictures of the engine in this coming week.

2. Locomotive numbers here in Bicol - DEL 922 AND DEL 918 ( DEL 916 is in lucena )

3. Passenger Coach - 5 coaches with the model 7A-2009 / 4 coaches with the model 7A-2016.

4. Flat Bed trailer - none

5. Cargo Wagon- Box Car

6. A/C - There was A/C before, but presently using non A/C coaches

7. body numbers - 33 units all in all.

**2 Units Train Engine will be operational this september, which is assured by Engr. Jiminez.

Please let me know today, if you have any other concern. This coming week i will be too busy .

note: edited the font size and color...:)

:cheers:

The horny toad

August 8th, 2009, 05:15 AM

The Abad Santos box was already listed in our heritage list including the interlocking mechanisms and levers. This signal box was surveyed already including others last January 2009 and detailed architectural plans already prepared. The signal box will be preserved either on-site or off-site depending on the plans of PNR (i.e. extension of Skyway).

As for the Solis Box, we will survey this (if we have the volunteers) and assess if it has still 80% of the original structure and components. The 80% is the requirement of the National Historical Institute for a building to be declared a "historic landmark".

The Solis box was covered with informal settlers when we conducted the survey of the triangulo area last January 2009.

It is so easy to say that we should restore or preserve this or that on this forum but actually preserving/restoring something needs a lot of work and not just typing comments and posting pictures.

Posting pictures/comments publicly based on my experience also hurt the preservation/restoration process because collectors might use the information to get whatever is out there for their own personal collection.[/QUOTE]

The Solis box certainly appears from the outside to be largely original, including the cast iron roof supports, something the older style boxes had here in NSW also.
We wonder how many other signal boxes are left here and there around Manila,as there did not seem to any public awareness of the Blumentritt box until it was too late.
This one had a similar superstructure to the large box at Caloocan station, which even though still standing, does not seem to receive any photographic coverage as yet except by one dedicated preservationist here who knows how to look out for such things.
People should say that various items should be saved, especially in forums like this, as it creates knowledge and interest in what the items are, their value, and a desire to see such actions carried out.
If the value of Blumentritt box was previously known, then it was possible it could still be there today rather than just a brick base.
Meycauayan is another classic case, the last photographic evidence shows that it is the last complete original Manila Railroad station with its upper story intact besides Tutuban, yet none of the "preservationists" seem to be able to travel the 14 kilometres from Caloocan north to go and actually see what remains.
Sadly the vast amount of historical items left at stations, and boxes, after closure, vanished a long time ago from those sites.
If collectors have gathered such things in the past then it has saved them from the destruction by squatters who see no such need for relics.
Certainly until recent years here in Australia stations were often bulldozed, torn apart, or even burnt with all the relevant material inside as the government departments had no interest, and if it was not for collectors then a whole lot more would have vanished forever than is the case today.
Its good to see that the tide of preservation is turning today.
Like the railway departments here in Australia, it was the PNR who were the official vandals themselves not so long ago..read below the fate of Damortis station...

NQUIRER NORTHERN LUZON
Requiem for the grand Damortis station

By Yolanda Sotelo-Fuertes
Inquirer
Last updated 11:16pm (Mla time) 08/07/2007

ROSARIO, La Union – This used to be full of people, 24 hours a day,” Baltazar Valdez, 72, recalls as he looks around the ruins of the Philippine National Railways station in Barangay Damortis in Rosario, La Union.

In his mind, Valdez tries to reconstruct the “grand station” of his childhood.

“This used to be the freight room, next was the office and [there] was the waiting room for first class passengers. That area was for other passengers while this area was for buses and car service,” he says.

“There used to be four railroad tracks. Trains came and went, and there was not a single hour that the station was empty of people arriving or leaving.”

As one walks around the ruins that offer a view of the Lingayen Gulf, with Valdez describing the old railway station in all its grandeur, the grand Damortis station of old returns to life.

The building stands proud with its tall roof and glass windows fortressed by thick steel bars. Trains chug along the tracks and the familiar whistle pierces the air as coaches arrive or depart. Passengers lug their suitcases or bayong (native bags) while vendors offer water, boiled bananas, corn and rice cakes to weary travelers.

“It was a playground for me,” Valdez says. “But it was also a place of work for me and plenty of residents.”

The Damortis railroad station, established in 1935, could be wider than the PNR’s Tutuban station, Valdez says.

His parents told him that in 1940, when he was 5 years old, the Manila Railways Co. (MRC) bought about 10 hectares of land around the station, “including my parents’ land.”

Additional land was needed as the Manila-Dagupan Railway, which started servicing passengers in 1892, was extended to cover San Fernando.

When the station expanded, the Valdez family moved to another property in the village, but returned in 1966 as they reclaimed ownership of the land through a court ruling.

It turned out that the PNR (the MRC was renamed PNR in 1964) merely paid his father the expenses to transfer the house to another property, but not the cost of the 3,000-square meter lot itself, Valdez says.

War memories

World War II evokes more memories for Valdez about the station.

The Japanese Imperial Army turned the station into its headquarters and used the trains to transport its war materiel, belongings and food.

“We would sneak inside the station, snatching some rice and other food stuff. did not hurt us,” Valdez says.

In August 1945, Gen. Douglas MacArthur landed at the Lingayen Gulf with his warships to liberate Northern Luzon from the Japanese.

“From the towering trees in the station, we watched the massive dog fight between war planes of the Americans and the Japanese … the Japanese planes fell one [after the other] into the gulf,” Valdez says.

“The Damortis station was a casualty of war. The tracks and the structures were damaged when the Americans bombed the area, but it was still usable,” Valdez says.

After the Japanese left for the mountains of Benguet, it was the Americans’ turn to take control of the station, using the building as their headquarters and the fields near it as an airstrip.

[B]Rebuilding PNR

When the war ended, the PNR rebuilt the tracks and the railroad system resumed business.

Valdez and his friends sold bocayo (coconut candy), balut (boiled duck eggs) and newspapers at the station.

“I was also a shoeshine boy, servicing passengers waiting for their train. We also worked as ‘baggage boys’ and carried bags for a fee … we earned much more than the minimum wage earners at that time,” he says.

As porters, the youngsters would board the trains to Dagupan City in Pangasinan or to San Fernando in La Union. They would usually service the “first class passengers” in the air-conditioned coaches.

American tourists would alight at Damortis and be ferried to Baguio City by chauffeur-driven cars waiting for them at the station.

“In those times, most highways were unpaved and dusty. The trains were the most convenient and fastest mode of transportation,” he says.

He says the Damortis station had the first air-conditioned waiting area, long before buildings were installed with such convenience.

Heyday

Valdez left his hometown in 1958 to work in Manila. He returned in 1963 when the railroad system was at its heyday but with buses slowly taking passengers away from the trains.

Valdez’s niece-in-law, Emilia, 53, arrived in this town in 1978 from Bicol. In the late 1980s, the railroad operations grounded to a halt, she says.

Then silence fell over the once busy station.

Settlers started arriving, filling up the empty areas around the station. Some of them got permission from PNR officials to stay there, says Valdez, a former village chief of Damortis.

But things fell apart in the early 2000 when the PNR decided to sell whatever can be removed from the station’s structures—roof, steel bars, wood.

Even the tracks and wooden sleepers (where tracks lay) were not spared.

“All for a measly P45,000,” Valdez says.

He offered P500,000 to the PNR but this was rejected. “Something was amiss,” he says.

Demolition

Rosario Mayor Bellarmin Flores led officials and residents in filing a petition in court to stop the sale and demolition of the structures.

“We considered it a historical landmark in the province. But we were told that it was not listed as such by the [country’s] historical commission,” Flores says.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/regions/view_article.php?article_id=81204

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 05:26 AM

Agree.

Sure properties/ assets/equipments should be preserved for reused (side by side with modern equipments):)

Signalboxes like these are highly sought after here by railfan and other community groups for their club activities.
In return for a peppercorn (small) rent they agree to restore and keep them in good order.
Perhaps a similar scheme could be adopted there to both earn PNR money, take heritage off their hands (but keep it in the hands of government and not private people with their own agendas) and still see them restored at no cost to PNR?

It would be great to see these boxes returned to positive use.

Regards
Brad

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 05:28 AM

^^first of all, GMA is not yet dead. :lol: and the Manila Memorial Park is open to the public. My grandfather and grandmothers are burried there also. :D

LOL.

I can't believe I typed that :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I was planning ahead my friend, planning ahead........ :)

Obviously it is President Cory I wish to go visit and pay my respects to.
Thanks for the response. I didn't think it would be publically accessable, so I am happily surprised.

Brad

Marvi

August 8th, 2009, 05:33 AM

Finally back at the Philippines.

FTI to Bicutan. Tracks are not tampered well. Some portion are not stable. Pasay Road up to Tutuban Station are the good example one.

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 05:37 AM

The PNR/MRR with its more than a hundred years of history is literally teeming with assets(stations, rail operation support facilities, rolling stocks, etc.) that are worthy of preservation. These can give a glimpse on the history of rail service in the Philippines outside of photographs. Maybe the National Historical Institute can be invited to appraise PNR properties that have great historical significance and earmark them for preservation. Its a good way to educate the people that the PNR is not about old dilapidated coaches and informal settlers, but a vehicle of national progress and a witness to history.

Firebar,
Have you any iodea of a direct email address for the NHI?
The PRHS has a good and growing collection of Philippine Railway items preserved that will one day need a home there.
As most of it is paper based with no other society interested in long term preservation of such, I am hoping an agreement can be struck with this archive. However contacting them is proving difficult at best.

Salamat
Brad

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 05:41 AM

Agree. PNR is not just any modern and young company its older than all people living now. It has lots of stories never told waiting to be discovered. :)

Hiya mate,
This is so true.
The best sources of information are those who once worked on the railway.
Genuine societies here usually locate and approach this older generation and collect their stories. These stories are far more than the dry research stuff we all get, it is more a collection of hardships, joys and fun times experienced on the railways.
This is where you get all the regular and irregular hapennings over the many years the railway has operated, and a greater understanding of the whole picture.

Brad

julzandrew

August 8th, 2009, 05:44 AM

can somebody post a timetable of all PNR projects?

para may idea ako what to expect in the future

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 05:56 AM

Jaime raises some very important points here which should be commented on.

Hi Happosai,

The Abad Santos box was already listed in our heritage list including the interlocking mechanisms and levers. This signal box was surveyed already including others last January 2009 and detailed architectural plans already prepared. The signal box will be preserved either on-site or off-site depending on the plans of PNR (i.e. extension of Skyway).
As for the Solis Box, we will survey this (if we have the volunteers) and assess if it has still 80% of the original structure and components. The 80% is the requirement of the National Historical Institute for a building to be declared a "historic landmark".

Unless this breaches the RIHSPI 'Secrecy Act' I am wondering if you can tell me if achieving the 80% means it must be left in its place, or just that it still but exist, wherever it may be?
If the other two important, regardless of NHI findings, are found to be under the 80%, can they still be removed before demolision?
Also, assuming over the years wear and tear have made most things need replacing with the same design of thing, does this come out of the 80% and how could you tell?

The Solis box was covered with informal settlers when we conducted the survey of the triangulo area last January 2009.

It is so easy to say that we should restore or preserve this or that on this forum but actually preserving/restoring something needs a lot of work and not just typing comments and posting pictures.

Sadly Jaime is right, but its a worldwide thing and throwing this sort of comment around rarely helps motivate.
Many museums globally now find they have to often raise money and get work done externally, as the railways themselves usually do now.
While this leaves the problem of extra money, it is sadly more easy to come by than volunteer help, a problem that, from the outset, I have said would be the case there.
Money for the RIHSPI shouldn't be a problem, the president keeps ignoring our offers to help so there must be a bit in the acount. While my brothers in law were ready to help, at PRHS cost, to help do a lot of the work.

Posting pictures/comments publicly based on my experience also hurt the preservation/restoration process because collectors might use the information to get whatever is out there for their own personal collection.

Yes but how much railway preservation experience have you had?
It could be argued that more of the little that is left and viewable in peoples photos, would be just as attractive to the hundreds of people going by daily in trains as the handful of railfans here on SSC.

Plus my experience (30+ years of railway and railway heritage) has shown, time and time again, that advertising these items as needing work is the BEST way to attract railfans help and dollars.
The best money raising ventures have ALWAYS been those that set their sights on, and heavily advertise, the item in question.

But what do I know, I am just one of those Aussies and we are just problematic :lol:

Again, as I have done in earlier posts, I do ask people to overlook the running of the society there and help them for the benefit of the nation.
Every hour of work you put in to restoring something you are doing for the nation and yourself, not for the people running the project.
Every Filipino deserves that.

Regards
Brad

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 06:00 AM

Scrapped whales
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/DSC00059.jpg

Sir Brad, you know that website right? I found these photos there.

:ohno::ohno: poor whales

I know of the site, but have never visited it.
Thank you for sharing.

The second and third of those locos should be 920 and 5010 I think.

Thanks again.

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 06:03 AM

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 06:18 AM

Of course they are in danger from being sold for scrap by the informal settlers for their daily subsistence. But the worst kind of people are those antique dealers who will try to encourage the informal settlers to get all these items for a few bucks and sell outside the Philippines. Posting on the Internet will make their operations very easy.

But what is left inside?
A large frame in at least one.
Would like to see antique dealers try to lift that out.
Apart from that, how many of the little signalling items are left? Books, bells, original clocks etc?

Do you know how much a GE builder' plate cost? Do you know that some of the PNR Blue Whale builder's plates were illegally acquired by antique dealers are now outside the Philippines? The builder's plates are now part of the collection of some people who call themselves Philippine heritage preservationists. The antique dealers are the worst enemy of any museum.

Nowdays, depending on rarity, quite a bit.
PNR current diesels may fetch around $200-250 American, where as the asntique ones that 'antique dealers' sometimes deal in, steam and long extinct diesels, would likely fetch up in the few thousands.
I am not aware of any steam, but I guarantee heaps would still exist, especially with ex-servicemen.
I have noted early diesel ones in the USA and would have to imagine the UK.
I got two myself off people scrapping locomotives. Wish I could have saved more, but those guys were just planning to cut it up and melt it down and laughed at me when I tried to save them.
People just don't seem to realise what is important and not important, they just leave paper items on the floor for people to walk on, or discard stuff that isn't locomotive related. Its an absolute tragedy.

Our belief her is that all these items should go to a proper society, like the NHI or a major museum, once the owner departs. This is already the case with everything in our archive and I ask fellow foriegners who manage to acquire these things through dealers to please make room for that in your will as well.
Please email the PRHS for more details. We will be happy to update anyone as we find worthy homes for these things on the passing of their owners.

RIHSPI has a standing MOA with PNR to save heritage equipment for future museum use. We need the help of everybody achieve this goal. We have more than 1,000 kms to cover. [/QUOTE]

Does that include financial help?
Why is it ignored when offered?

The first thing people here should do if a heritage item was discovered is to notify the foreman or the construction supervisor that what they have uncovered are heritage items and must be secured. The second step is to notify the Barangay Officials of the discovery. Notify PNR or RIHSPI so that an investigation will be conducted and these items will be transferred to a secure PNR compound if it qualifies as a heritage item/museum piece.

Can the RIHSPI be notified in the first instance, given that is easier for people, with the RIHSPI then notifying the people outlined in the first instance?
Hopefully other reports will be acted upon in the future so no more examples of reported items lost will occur.

One can also contact the National Museum if they have discovered a burial site or an old settlement area.

Contact details?
By that I mean a direct email address and not one of those reply things on webpages that never get checked.

Thanks Jaime, I look forward to your answers.

Regards
Brad Peadon
Philippine Railway Historical Society

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 06:19 AM

DAMN YOU ILLEGAL SETTLERS!! :bash::bash:

^^
sorry 'bout the word . . ..

hehehehehehe

That word is nothing, check out the last week on the LRT/MRT thread.
Very heated :lol:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 06:26 AM

report from our naga friend...:D

Originally Posted by bobbymay74

1. They have a number of colors that they will used. They called it PNR BLUE, WHITE, GOLD and maybe 2 more colors will be added( Model 7A-2000). They purchased the train engines in the 90's under GE (General Electric ) . - i will post pictures of the engine in this coming week.

2. Locomotive numbers here in Bicol - DEL 922 AND DEL 918 ( DEL 916 is in lucena )

3. Passenger Coach - 5 coaches with the model 7A-2009 / 4 coaches with the model 7A-2016.

:cheers:

Sems to be a bit of a confusion here.

There are two models, but they are 7A and NR.
Of these, the 7A has three distinct types, from two classes in Japan, but this is not to say all are there though.
The NR has two distinct types, from the one class in Japan.

The four numeral digits just signify the carriage number as given by PNR, at least on the 7A, as the NR had yet to recieve them when they became trapped.

I have a complete listing of numbers which I wish to put in the upcoming magazine.

The PRHS has a continuing project of research on the 7A and NR class.
The policy of our society is not to harbour research secrets and as such these will be shared when we have at least made significant progress on a carriage book, or in the magazine.

Brad

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 06:47 AM

Hi Kermit,

Sold for P45,000? Thats appauling that it could be let go for such an insignificant amount :ohno:

The Solis box certainly appears from the outside to be largely original, including the cast iron roof supports, something the older style boxes had here in NSW also.
We wonder how many other signal boxes are left here and there around Manila,as there did not seem to any public awareness of the Blumentritt box until it was too late.

Didn't come to my attension until a ride past it.
A PNR guy drew a mud mapo for me showing Tayuman, Caloocan and the three Tondo triangle ones, bt made no mention of this either.
I wonder if it achieved the 80% ruling?

This one had a similar superstructure to the large box at Caloocan station, which even though still standing, does not seem to receive any photographic coverage as yet except by one dedicated preservationist here who knows how to look out for such things.

Good on them, the world needs dedicated preservationalists. :lol:
Seriously though, seeing this Caloocan one filled me with much sadness and drew on the desire to help save it. This is what photos do, probably not as much as a personal visit, but they still bring on that railfan need to save things.
Its a railfan thing, that need to see everything kept. Most foreign railfans seem to despize change and will go to any length to help.
Perhaps its a stupid futile trait given the ultimate reward you recieve for it.
Bit still we do it.

People should say that various items should be saved, especially in forums like this, as it creates knowledge and interest in what the items are, their value, and a desire to see such actions carried out.
If the value of Blumentritt box was previously known, then it was possible it could still be there today rather than just a brick base.

This is pretty much what I also said above, or below, depending on how long ago you typed this. So many posts even 'dedicated preservationalists' seem to get confused.
Secrecy is not the way to get followers and donations, it is to draw attention to things that desperately need to be saved. You show what needs to be done and you do what it takes, you even take anything that is offered to you.
Nothing, not even pride, should stand in the way. If you have to beg at parties then you do it, if you have to beg out in public, you do it. WE HAVE ALREADY DONE BOTH FOR PHILIPPINE PRESERVATION!

The Philippines is far to important to leave any opportunity by the wayside, you do what it takes to see it saved for future Filpino generations.

If collectors have gathered such things in the past then it has saved them from the destruction by squatters who see no such need for relics.

This is true.
However they must be able to see the need to hand it back at the time of their passing, or even earlier if they so desire.

Certainly until recent years here in Australia stations were often bulldozed, torn apart, or even burnt with all the relevant material inside as the government departments had no interest, and if it was not for collectors then a whole lot more would have vanished forever than is the case today.
Its good to see that the tide of preservation is turning today.

Thanks be to dedicated preservationalists.

Like the railway departments here in Australia, it was the PNR who were the official vandals themselves not so long ago..read below the fate of Damortis station...

Yes a big shame :ohno:
Hope that comment dosen't get identified as the reason the trianglo heritage park dosen't occur :)

See you at tonights karaoke and adobo party mate.

Brad

riles28

August 8th, 2009, 07:35 AM

riles28

August 8th, 2009, 07:41 AM

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/rodriguez428/JRDMU.jpg

Long distance DMU From Japan Pwede na rin siguro ito for Southrail.

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 07:42 AM

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/rodriguez428/DMU-1.jpg

Ito High speed DMU sa Venezuela by IAFE Railways Company, Kung magagawa na ang Southrail ay pwede na ang ganitong train basta upgraded ang linya, actually tumatakbo ito sa venezuela in a rehabilitated rail.

That is a very nice livery.
Simple and easy, but quite striking on this design.
Imagine photographing this with Mt Mayon behind.

Brad

riles28

August 8th, 2009, 07:53 AM

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/rodriguez428/pnr919.jpg

PNR Bicol service between 1997 - 1999. Photo was taken before Tayuman crossing Manila.

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 07:54 AM

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/rodriguez428/pnr919.jpg

PNR Bicol service between 1997 - 1999. Photo was taken before Tayuman crossing Manila.

It was taken in Feb 1999 and by me.
Subsequently flogged from my website.....

Brad

Actually I don't think it was a Bicol service, from memory I think it was standing in for the last remaining DMU service on the Espana shuttle, hence the locos both ends, something else that is very unusual.

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 07:59 AM

It was taken in Feb 1999 and by me.
Subsequently flogged from my website.....

Brad

^^
Sir Brad, is it really a Bicol Service? Why is it that it has only 2 coaches and another "Red Whale" :lol::lol:

Are those coaches 7E class?

:banana:

riles28

August 8th, 2009, 08:05 AM

^^
Sir Brad, is it really a Bicol Service? Why is it that it has only 2 coaches and another "Red Whale" :lol::lol:

Are those coaches 7E class?

:banana:

Yes it's a really bicol service kaya lang maikli ay ni reverse lang nila ang coaches doon sa may triangulo kasi ganito ang ginagawa ng PNR once na dumating na ang tren dito sa Manila galing bicol para pag alis sa hapon ay magkadikit na sila muli ng Power Car.

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:11 AM

^^
Sir Brad, is it really a Bicol Service? Why is it that it has only 2 coaches and another "Red Whale" :lol::lol:

Are those coaches 7E class?

:banana:

I think they are either 7C or the earlier 7A type being used.
The 7E had much smaller looking windows and I think a bit higher.

I have been trying to locate my notes from that trip to get numbers. Thus far no luck..

Brad

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:14 AM

~~ CALOOCAN SIGNALBOX ~~

Another heritage survivor awaiting saving!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/3799438355_b59cde8a93.jpg

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:17 AM

7A - 7C

While I still await confirmation, I am of the feeling the early 7A may have become the 7C, perhaps around, or before the arrival of the current 7A.

Even PNR don't seem to be able to get this right on their fleet records and occasionally mix things around.

I am currently going through fleet records from the 1980s, and hope to seesome tonight from the 60s.
May be able to shed some light on some of this.

Brad

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 08:21 AM

Happosai,
My friend, please don't let it bother you.
Of course it is at far more threat from scavengers and squatters.
You have done nothing but brought attension of a signalbox to a few fans of Philippine railways.
Nothing is achieved except hurt and mistrust by trying to enforce secrecy. The Philippine railways has a large following, but sadly it is scattered across the world and attention must be draw to it for people to follow.

I thank you Happosai - you are a true friend to Philippine railways.

^^For me posting of those photos promote awareness to people about the historical value of those PNR assets. Not all people who browse the net are thieves. People like us who valued those assets are also browsing the net and needs to be informed about the things that needs preservation.

How can people support your cause if you're hiding things from them? :ohno:

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 08:22 AM

^^ sir happs puso mo...:D
post ka naman ng pictures jan oh...:D

jpdm

August 8th, 2009, 08:23 AM

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 08:30 AM

~~ CALOOCAN SIGNALBOX ~~

Another heritage survivor awaiting saving!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/3799438355_b59cde8a93.jpg

^^I dont thing that box will pass the 80% rulling. :lol:

I don't quite get that rule. If a site or a place is less than 80% then NHI will just ignore it, and let it rot or even be destroyed or demolish?

Like for example those signal boxes that was used and abused by the squatters. If they did not pass the 80% rule, does that mean we should just ignore them? Those things needed much more attention than the ones that passes the 80% rule.

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 08:31 AM

^^ sir happs puso mo...:D
post ka naman ng pictures jan oh...:D

^^Di na ako magpopost.. baka masita nanaman ako.. :ohno::ohno:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:31 AM

How can people support your cause if you're hiding things from them? :ohno:

Thank goodness, I thought I was the only one who thought this.

Railway preservation and historical work is about making people aware, making people understand what is likely to be lost, making people get involved and working together.

Happosai's photos do a lot to make this all happen.
Without Happosai's photos many of us would not be aware of what could be lost before long.

I AM VERY GRATEFUL for the effort you go to mate. It is not the safest hobby and you go out of your way to get these photos for us.
You are a true example of the goodness that runs in Filipinos and I am proud to be your friend.

I think I speak for most of the group and researchers worldwide when I say Maraming salamat po Happosai.
Please don't give up due to one negative comment.

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:36 AM

^^Di na ako magpopost.. baka masita nanaman ako.. :ohno::ohno:

^^
Sir happy happs, bakit po? ano problem?

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 08:36 AM

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:41 AM

me either... what about Damortis station?? no roof, windows; foundation na lang natira, for sure di na 80% yun...:lol:

naku wag... kelangan ka namin at ang mga photos mo...:D:lol::banana:

^^
Oo nga!! kailangan ka namin sir happs! isa ka sa mga pinakamasipag na nagpopost ng mga update photos! :):) :cheers1:

Go sir happs! pabayaan mo na un!

:banana:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:41 AM

^^I dont thing that box will pass the 80% rulling. :lol:

I don't quite get that rule. If a site or a place is less than 80% then NHI will just ignore it, and let it rot or even be destroyed or demolish?

Like for example those signal boxes that was used and abused by the squatters. If they did not pass the 80% rule, does that mean we should just ignore them? Those things needed much more attention than the ones that passes the 80% rule.

I fully agree.

It is a strange rule and thankfully not one we observe.
From what I understand, ABB-1 has had some major alterations over its life. It may even now be that old dormatory car in Tayuman (hopefully it can be 100% proven one day).

Despite the fact that, if it is proven to be ABB-1, that so many famous people used it, means nothing. It isn't historically important due to more than 20% of it not being original.

As for old signalboxes.

Say we have the first in the Philippines,. Over the years rotten wooden beams was replaced with metal ones, the rotten wooden panels were replaced with aluminium, the signalbox had all the changes that come with electricity use and other modernisation features.

Already we are over 20% in change.
So do we tear it down, despite being the first?

These signalboxes are not only a rarity in the Philippines and, given there is only 4 left now, they are also becoming more valuable on a worldwide scale.
The three on the triangle are a great example of this technology being utilized in multiple boxes for one huge junction.
I wish we had heaps of similar examples left, but we don't.

80% pfffffffffffffffffffffftt :lol:

shranethomas

August 8th, 2009, 08:42 AM

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/rodriguez428/JRDMU.jpg

Long distance DMU From Japan Pwede na rin siguro ito for Southrail.

Sana mangyari nga ito sa atin, except the snow:lol: Love this trains, imagine PNR logo on the front.

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 08:43 AM

naku wag... kelangan ka namin at ang mga photos mo...:D:lol::banana:

I've decided to stop posting pictures here at SSC. May PeX pa naman eh... :tongue:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:43 AM

me either... what about Damortis station?? no roof, windows; foundation na lang natira, for sure di na 80% yun...:lol:

pi, I love your avatar. Simple, but a very moving tribute.

I am wondering about Paco.
With the loss of one wing and all the platform area, there can't be 80% left.

But still VERY historically important.

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 08:47 AM

I've decided to stop posting pictures here at SSC. May PeX pa naman eh... :tongue:

Happosai, I beg you to reconsider.

The complainant was one person. Don't let him damage the hobby and this group for everyone.

Come on everyone - please show your appreciation to Happosai.

He is as entitled to enjoy this hobby as much as everyone and I know that we all have enjoyed his photos immensely. The forum will never be the same.

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:49 AM

Happosai, I beg you to reconsider.

The complainant was one person. Don't let him damage the hobby and this group for everyone.

Come on everyone - please show your appreciation to Happosai.

He is as entitled to enjoy this hobby as much as everyone and I know that we all have enjoyed his photos immensely. The forum will never be the same.

^^
Sir Brad is right!

We should cheer up sir HAPPY happs! :)

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 08:50 AM

pi, I love your avatar. Simple, but a very moving tribute.

I am wondering about Paco.
With the loss of one wing and all the platform area, there can't be 80% left.

But still VERY historically important.

thanks sir...
_____________

well at least we have RIHSPI and other preservation groups that are willing to spend money and time saving these important buildings...:okay:

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 08:51 AM

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:52 AM

Sir Happy Happs,

As I have said earlier, we need you here! Even Im a newbie here, and I always appreciate your photo updates! Even before I became a member here. So please! We beg you to continue your hobby and continue posting photos!

Isa ka sa pinakamasipag na nag-popost ng mga photo updates! That's for sure and I truly appreciate your hardworks. Not only me but all people here in the SSC.

truly yours,
Nhico

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:53 AM

someone should get a close up picture of that Korean chick to cheer up our happy happs...:D

^^
Koreans with an armpit full of hair! :lol::lol: :nuts::nuts:

:banana::banana:

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 08:55 AM

^^
Koreans with an armpit full of hair! :lol::lol: :nuts::nuts:

:banana::banana:

sige ka... ma-ban ka jan sa sinasabi mo...:D
koreans are charming... parang mga pilipina...:):banana:

:cheers:

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 08:56 AM

someone should get a close up picture of that Korean chick to cheer up our happy happs...:D

ok.. ok.. you all win.. I'll still post photos here.. But first let me have that korean chick's photos... :tongue:

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 08:57 AM

^^
Koreans with an armpit full of hair! :lol::lol: :nuts::nuts:

:banana::banana:

Aahitan ko sya... aahitan ko syaaaa... :banana:

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:57 AM

sige ka... ma-ban ka jan sa sinasabi mo...:D
koreans are charming... parang mga pilipina...:):banana:

:cheers:

^^
ALAH!! JOKE LANG PO!! PEACE TAYO!! :lol::lol:
:runaway:

:banana::banana:

igor09

August 8th, 2009, 08:57 AM

I've decided to stop posting pictures here at SSC. May PeX pa naman eh... :tongue:

Napagalitan..:tongue::tongue: Joke lang... wahahaha...
Ito katapat nyan sir happs...:cheers2::cheers2::cheers2:

batang_riles30

August 8th, 2009, 08:59 AM

ok.. ok.. you all win.. I'll still post photos here.. But first let me have that korean chick's photos... :tongue:

^^
e2 na sir happy happs!!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/sexy_hairy_korean_girl.jpg

:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

:banana:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 09:06 AM

^^
Sir Brad is right!

We should cheer up sir HAPPY happs! :)

Three cheers for Happosai!

Hip Hip Hooray

Hip Hip Hooray

Hip Hip Hooray

Seriously mate, you are a good and kind person.
No request has ever been to much and I really appreciate all that you do, as do the rest of us.

Please, you get people in this hobby all the time that try to dictate/control or put you down - never let them. They have done it to me a few times over my many years but, while it hurts, you have to just keep going and enjoy the hobby with those who care about you as a friend.

Doing this makes those people win and only hurts yourself and your friends. I have learn't this the hard way to.
I actually had tears the other day while watching them lead a very special lady to her resting place. She was so special to millions of Filipinos, because she is the person with the iron determination to destroy a dictatorship.
No Filipino, thanks to this incredible lady, shall ever need to live under a dictatorship again.

We care about you mate - just remember that many of us do.

Take care - I will have a Tanduay for you tonight.

Brad

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 09:07 AM

^^
e2 na sir happy happs!!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/sexy_hairy_korean_girl.jpg

:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

:banana:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki015.gif yaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 09:08 AM

ok.. ok.. you all win.. I'll still post photos here.. But first let me have that korean chick's photos... :tongue:

We are all behind you mate.

Looking forward to said Korean photo now :lol::lol::lol:

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Three cheers for Happosai!

Hip Hip Hooray

Hip Hip Hooray

Hip Hip Hooray

Seriously mate, you are a good and kind person.
No request has ever been to much and I really appreciate all that you do, as do the rest of us.

Please, you get people in this hobby all the time that try to dictate/control or put you down - never let them. They have done it to me a few times over my many years but, while it hurts, you have to just keep going and enjoy the hobby with those who care about you as a friend.

Doing this makes those people win and only hurts yourself and your friends. I have learn't this the hard way to.
I actually had tears the other day while watching them lead a very special lady to her resting place. She was so special to millions of Filipinos, because she is the person with the iron determination to destroy a dictatorship.
No Filipino, thanks to this incredible lady, shall ever need to live under a dictatorship again.

We care about you mate - just remember that many of us do.

Take care - I will have a Tanduay for you tonight.

Brad

Thanks Uncle Brad... :D

How is the newsletter going?

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 09:12 AM

We are all behind you mate.

Looking forward to said Korean photo now :lol::lol::lol:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/DMU_Inauguration/P7140044.jpg
^^Ahem... :banana:

pi_malejana

August 8th, 2009, 09:12 AM

We are all behind you mate.

Looking forward to said Korean photo now :lol::lol::lol:

i think MC has one...
this is the only pic i got... ASIANA air FA's...:D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/3418068640_809610429a_o.jpg

by Hi_Ha

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 09:13 AM

^^
e2 na sir happy happs!!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/sexy_hairy_korean_girl.jpg

:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

:banana:

Oh dear :-) Where are the cutters, better make them strong ones.

:runaway::runaway::runaway::runaway::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::badnews:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 09:14 AM

Thanks Uncle Brad... :D

How is the newsletter going?

Probably about 20% done so far - which means it isn't classifiable as a heritage item :nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

Will be busy all this week.

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 09:22 AM

Probably about 20% done so far - which means it isn't classifiable as a heritage item :nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

Will be busy all this week.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/DMU_Inauguration/P7140037.jpg

^^A reward for Uncle Brad... :banana:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 09:26 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/DMU_Inauguration/P7140037.jpg

^^A reward for Uncle Brad... :banana:

She is certainly very maganda.

If I am really good, can you reward me with her phone number as well :lol:

happosai

August 8th, 2009, 09:36 AM

She is certainly very maganda.

If I am really good, can you reward me with her phone number as well :lol:

If I got her number and the asawa sees it.. Lagot ako.. :lol:

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 09:42 AM

If I got her number and the asawa sees it.. Lagot ako.. :lol:

That me friend I can understand.

It was one of those Lonely Planet tourist guides I had that said

"You will never experience true fear until you experience a Filipina in a rage".

That was over 20 years ago I read that and I still remember it.'
At first I laughed - now I understand. :lol::lol:

shranethomas

August 8th, 2009, 10:14 AM

If I got her number and the asawa sees it.. Lagot ako.. :lol:

Sa aken na lang hehehe

alcogoodwin

August 8th, 2009, 12:12 PM

jafiti

August 8th, 2009, 01:01 PM

Jaime raises some very important points here which should be commented on.

Unless this breaches the RIHSPI 'Secrecy Act' I am wondering if you can tell me if achieving the 80% means it must be left in its place, or just that it still but exist, wherever it may be?
If the other two important, regardless of NHI findings, are found to be under the 80%, can they still be removed before demolision?
Also, assuming over the years wear and tear have made most things need replacing with the same design of thing, does this come out of the 80% and how could you tell?

Sadly Jaime is right, but its a worldwide thing and throwing this sort of comment around rarely helps motivate.
Many museums globally now find they have to often raise money and get work done externally, as the railways themselves usually do now.
While this leaves the problem of extra money, it is sadly more easy to come by than volunteer help, a problem that, from the outset, I have said would be the case there.
Money for the RIHSPI shouldn't be a problem, the president keeps ignoring our offers to help so there must be a bit in the acount. While my brothers in law were ready to help, at PRHS cost, to help do a lot of the work.

Yes but how much railway preservation experience have you had?
It could be argued that more of the little that is left and viewable in peoples photos, would be just as attractive to the hundreds of people going by daily in trains as the handful of railfans here on SSC.

Plus my experience (30+ years of railway and railway heritage) has shown, time and time again, that advertising these items as needing work is the BEST way to attract railfans help and dollars.
The best money raising ventures have ALWAYS been those that set their sights on, and heavily advertise, the item in question.

But what do I know, I am just one of those Aussies and we are just problematic :lol:

Again, as I have done in earlier posts, I do ask people to overlook the running of the society there and help them for the benefit of the nation.
Every hour of work you put in to restoring something you are doing for the nation and yourself, not for the people running the project.
Every Filipino deserves that.

Regards
Brad

The 80% rule of NHI is for a structure to be declared a "historic landmark". If it is below 80%, it can still be declared a "historic site" preferably with the restored building on it. Movable objects like a rollingstock or a car is another story. The comment I posted earlier was intended for the Solis Signal Box and I hope this clarifies and answered a lot of postings here and hopefully blood pressure reduced to normal level.

As for the repeated postings here that we are ignoring help, this is simply not true. We have repeatedly posted here and on RIHSPI website that PNR needs help in restoring/preserving items and also requests for volunteers/sponsors. We do not recall any communication stating otherwise. If there is such a communication, please feel free to post it here and we will make the necessary rectification.

Ecija

August 8th, 2009, 01:48 PM

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/rodriguez428/JRDMU.jpg

Long distance DMU From Japan Pwede na rin siguro ito for Southrail.

Tamang-tama yan sa Southrail, mas gusto ang design na yan simple lang, kesa sa mga bullet train look-alike.:)

ADDDDA

August 8th, 2009, 01:50 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/DMU_Inauguration/P7140037.jpg

^^A reward for Uncle Brad... :banana:

What's the name of the Korean Girl...??

She looks like my college intructor....she's pede na rin...:lol::banana:

jafiti

August 8th, 2009, 01:54 PM

The horny toad

August 8th, 2009, 02:37 PM

I saw this morning a documentary in RCTI (Indonesian channel)TV, though I dont understand what they are saying, they showed the transformation of an abandoned, dilapidated and squatter-infested grand train station in Jakarta.

They featured the before and after look of the station and the rehab was superb...with nice rail tracks and revived train service.

Reminds me of Tutuban station. But, Im positive, if PNR can finished its rehab of Tutuban and naga station, it can rival its Indonesian counterpart.:)

That station was Tanjong Priok, the largest and most impressive of Jakarta's stations.
Kota has more platforms but no overall roof.
Historic and large stations around Jakarta, though not of that size, are still at Manggarai, Jatinagara, Pasar Senen and Bogor.
Actually the local preservation society there has been at the forefront of getting that station restored, as well as bringing back the train from Kota to T. Priok.
http://www.dave-philips.fotopic.net/p17187313.html
A few photos of this station and others can be found here, this is pre restoration.
http://www.dave-philips.fotopic.net/c605659_13.html

The horny toad

August 8th, 2009, 02:46 PM

Here's a few nice one's for you gentlemen to enjoy from Indonesia lah!
"Sanni" one of the carriage attendents on a Jakarta to Bandung express.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3623/3397562171_a5cf7bdc28.jpg

jpdm

August 8th, 2009, 02:52 PM

That station was Tanjong Priok, the largest and most impressive of Jakarta's stations.
Kota has more platforms but no overall roof.
Historic and large stations around Jakarta, though not of that size, are still at Manggarai, Jatinagara, Pasar Senen and Bogor.
Actually the local preservation society there has been at the forefront of getting that station restored, as well as bringing back the train from Kota to T. Priok.
http://www.dave-philips.fotopic.net/p17187313.html
A few photos of this station and others can be found here, this is pre restoration.
http://www.dave-philips.fotopic.net/c605659_13.html

Thanks sir! This is the train station showed in RCTI!:)

The horny toad

August 8th, 2009, 02:54 PM

I've decided to stop posting pictures here at SSC. May PeX pa naman eh... :tongue:
Noooo...dont do that, I like your signal box pictures very much!
And I promise I wont steal one, or bits thereoff next time I am hopping around the Philippines lah!
Here's a picture of a nice signal box from Australia, and real semaphores as well.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3621/3396373451_73f112174b.jpg
Its safe to show you this as the box was demolished and the station taken away on the back of a truck a few years after this photo lah!
Merinda North Queensland....
Qld has around 20,000km of track..only 2 working boxes left, and maybe 3 or 4 shells left standing..
Thanks for the pictures, dont give up!
:cheers:

jafiti

August 8th, 2009, 03:02 PM

[QUOTE = Meycauayan is another classic case, the last photographic evidence shows that it is the last complete original Manila Railroad station with its upper story intact besides Tutuban, yet none of the "preservationists" seem to be able to travel the 14 kilometres from Caloocan north to go and actually see what remains. [/QUOTE]

Hi Mr. Horny Toad of Australia,

The railroad stations up north are under the watch list of ICOMOS Philippines/Heritage Conservation Society since 2006. Please refrain from making sweeping statements.

http://www.icomosphilippines.com/2006/04/las-estaciones-ferrocarril-manila.html

http://www.heritage.org.ph/

As for the south, NHI recently visited Legaspi Station with the help of Aquinas University of Legazpi. The university requested that the Legaspi Station be declared historic by NHI.

For Metro Manila, RIHSPI is spearheading the declaration of Paco Railroad Station as historic. One more step to go.

The horny toad

August 8th, 2009, 03:04 PM

Thanks sir! This is the train station showed in RCTI!:)
Actually Indonesia has plenty of working history left today.
The vast majority of stations have survived along with plenty of historic infrastructure.
Photography is very easy and the crews and station staff have no problem with cameras or wandering around yards.
Heres a few from my last trip in Java, a few months back now..
All are taken in Solo, which has 4 stations for a town of 600,000 people, and plenty of trains, both passenger and freight.
And 3 old signal cabins as well!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2431/3572218345_cd06694ed3.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3378/3566429704_227c3759e5.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3621/3594648978_8225f11625.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/3593839803_cebdcfa132.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3594646458_359b47ef41.jpg

ayhan456

August 8th, 2009, 03:15 PM

tanong kolang kung clear na ba talaga na my biyahe na by september ang mga Bicol train`s...:cheer:

ayhan456

August 8th, 2009, 03:19 PM

OT: Ayaw niyo? Ang pinaka-matikas daw na honor guard eh may libreng dinner date dun sa magandang koreana.:lol:

ayaw ko ng koreana,gus2 ko ung mga katulad nila iwa motto at katrina halili pede pa siguro...^^:lol:

The horny toad

August 8th, 2009, 03:22 PM

Hi Mr. Horny Toad of Australia,

The railroad stations up north are under the watch list of ICOMOS Philippines/Heritage Conservation Society since 2006. Please refrain from making sweeping statements.

I realize that ICOMOS is watching said station, however all these pictures were taken in 2006 or possibly earlier.
San Fernando has allready been listed as a historic monument, however I am unaware if any other buildings have been treated the same.
Certainly Tarlac, and the first Dagupan station, which is a mere shell, should be considered.
Finding a practical use for the preservation of Dagupan would be very difficult in its present circumstances.
For example Calasiao has now being demolished, and there is other photographs of various stations in the path of the north line project that have been seriously degraded since the ICOMOS report in 2006.
Since that study was done there does not appear to be a public update of the state of the remaining buildings, especially those along said rebuilding of the north line.
Thats why Meycauayan is of such interest as the only other example of this nature has allready gone, that at Bayambang which ICOMOS has allready listed as demolished.
This is why I am hoping someone will go and have a look, failing that I will do it myself on my next trip shortly.
http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/blogger/7196/2445/1600/Meycauayan.jpg
This is the ICOMOS photo of Meycauayan

Ecija

August 8th, 2009, 03:35 PM

OT:

^^

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/sexy_hairy_korean_girl.jpg

@ayhan456, wala akong makitang dahilan para sabihin mo na ayaw mo ng koreana.

:lol::lol::lol:

igor09

August 8th, 2009, 04:10 PM

^^ayhan456 patusin mo na... bibihirang pagkakataon yan....:lol::lol::lol:

riles28

August 8th, 2009, 04:40 PM

jafiti

August 8th, 2009, 04:47 PM

Am currently at a karaoke party going through documents from 'The Horny Toads' (aka The Colonel) collection.
It is beginning to look like we may have made a discovery on the RIHSPI claim on the dormatory car possibly being ABB-1.
Going to look further into this between singing :-)

Regards
Dedicated Preservationalist :-)

If you are true to your word and as advised to Happosai, show your discovery here.

As for the so called claim, there is no public claim from RIHSPI that the dormitory car is the ABB-1.

happosai

August 9th, 2009, 01:55 AM

Sir. happosai may problema ba? mukhang galit ka ata pls. mag post ka pa rin ng mga picture dito ikaw pa naman po ang nagpapa init sa thread na ito kung wala kana ay di na kami mabibigyan ng information kung ano na ang nangyayari sa Solis area at ikaw pa naman ang expert sa pagkuha ng litrato paano na yan kung idi - deliver na ang iba pang refurbished coaches from caloocan ay di mo na ilalagay dito ang litrato. pls i beg you.

^^Di naman ako galit.. :tongue: Kung magsalita ka naman parang mamamatay na ko.. :lol:l:lol: Wala pa naman akong plano na sundan si Tita Cory sa langit. :lol::lol:

Kung dito pa rin kami nakatira masusubaybayan ko pa ang pag dating ng mga refurbished coaches. Baka kasi lumipat kami sa bahay namin sa Molave. Medyo malayo na yun sa riles.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/PNR_Updates/P8080088.jpg
^^Dito ako nagagalit!!! Ni raid na nga ng PNR Police. Kinuha pa mga gamit nila.. Pero di pa rin umaalis!! Panu ba naman, may backer sa baranggay! http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki014.gifhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki014.gifhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki014.gifhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki014.gifhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki014.gifhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/nakayome/icons/illustrations_tuzki014.gif

mrlow28

August 9th, 2009, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Bobbymay74

Blue whale 918?
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/pnr19.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/pnr22.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/nico_cabalhin/pnr18.jpg

^^^^
:banana::banana:
woohoo!! patuloy na gumaganda ang PNR! haha! Panu yan? white whale na sila?? haha ano po ba yung livery nya? Blue or white?

:cheers::cheers:

Thanks po mr. bobbymay74 for these wonderful shots! :cheers1:

AAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYUUUSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sana po maging ganito insura nya.

http://photos-p.friendster.com/photos/61/29/111139216/1_246700751l.jpg
i mean the livery.
credits:photo by sir shrane thomas

alcogoodwin

August 9th, 2009, 03:42 AM

The 80% rule of NHI is for a structure to be declared a "historic landmark". If it is below 80%, it can still be declared a "historic site" preferably with the restored building on it. Movable objects like a rollingstock or a car is another story. The comment I posted earlier was intended for the Solis Signal Box and I hope this clarifies and answered a lot of postings here and hopefully blood pressure reduced to normal level.

Thanks for clarifying.
If classified a historic landmark does that mean the structure must remain in situ?

Well it answers one or two of the questions, but that was more than I had even hoped for - or expected. Thank you.
However the topic of photography being anti-preservation was not touched.

As for the repeated postings here that we are ignoring help, this is simply not true. We have repeatedly posted here and on RIHSPI website that PNR needs help in restoring/preserving items and also requests for volunteers/sponsors. We do not recall any communication stating otherwise. If there is such a communication, please feel free to post it here and we will make the necessary rectification.

If there was communication to the PRHS from you about he questions of your still wanting financial help, then it would not have been ignored would it?
How can one post a non-existent response?

Brad

alcogoodwin

August 9th, 2009, 03:45 AM

It is not secrecy, it is called prudence.

Or perhaps stupidity.
If you are not wishing to draw support from outside to restore these things by bringing them to the attention of others.
Why is the Philippines the only country where it is a problem? Other societies, Indonesia included, derive great support from making these things known.

alcogoodwin

August 9th, 2009, 03:48 AM

Here's a picture of a nice signal box from Australia, and real semaphores as well.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3621/3396373451_73f112174b.jpg
Its safe to show you this as the box was demolished and the station taken away on the back of a truck a few years after this photo lah!
Merinda North Queensland....
Qld has around 20,000km of track..only 2 working boxes left, and maybe 3 or 4 shells left standing..
Thanks for the pictures, dont give up!
:cheers:

A ahhhh so lovely and typically Queensland.
What a shame we didn't have the internet early enough to warn of her pending fate :ohno:

alcogoodwin

August 9th, 2009, 03:52 AM

If you are true to your word and as advised to Happosai, show your discovery here.

As for the so called claim, there is no public claim from RIHSPI that the dormitory car is the ABB-1.

So you deny your statement
"The RIHSPI is now of the belief it is ABB-1 and its up to others to prove otherwise".

And why the hostility Sir Jaime, it actually proves the RIHSPI correct.

So stop treating everyone like the enemy - when they are trying to help.

jafiti

August 9th, 2009, 04:04 AM

So you deny your statement
"The RIHSPI is now of the belief it is ABB-1 and its up to others to prove otherwise".

And why the hostility Sir Jaime, it actually proves the RIHSPI correct.

So stop treating everyone like the enemy - when they are trying to help.

We haven't made public such a comment and this was thru a private letter to you. The reason for it still being private is that some claim it isn't the one. Since you already made public such a claim, please feel free to post it here. So that everybody will be part of the discussion. Practice what you preach Mr. Brad Peadon.

The problem is you do not know the difference between public statements and a private one.

As for the offer of help, we haven't received a formal letter about the plans of your group. I already discussed this with Mr. Bill Sullivan and he agrees and will tell your group to prepare such a formal letter. In fact we received the opposite when it was discovered here in this forum that you are Mr. Railengineer.

I do not want to post all of these things publicly but for the past month RIHSPI has been receiving innuendos from you and it is my duty to post the side of RIHSPI.

I have already presented the side of RIHSPI and will lay to rest the matter.

alcogoodwin

August 9th, 2009, 04:19 AM

We haven't made public such a comment and this was thru a private letter to you. While you already made it public such a claim, Please feel free to post it here. So that everybody will be part of the discuss. Practice what you preach Mr. Brad Peadon.

Yes, Ok. Obviously posting a TXT message is not possible.
If it was, then you would have ignored it like all other questions you can't answer.

The problem is you do not know the difference between public statements or a private one.

When you start saying its the RIHSPI's view that this is the case, surely that is then considered fact.
Or don't you take responsibility for the RIHSPI?

As for the offer of help, we haven't received a formal letter, In fact we received the opposite when it was discovered here in this forum the you are Mr. Railengineer.

Actually it was just RailEngineer.
And why was this done?
Because of you endless griping about my supporting Philippine Railways and the link made between my name at the RIHSPI.
I tried to solve the problem for you by using a different name, until I was told it was against the rules and it was promptly ended.
So if you must get into slanging matches, do make sure that it isn't over something done to protect the society you are 'supposed' to protect.

I was wrong to do this - I fully admit this.
I should never have let your ruling affect what I am as a person. Neither should anyone else who is a railfan there.

What is the opposite of a 'formal letter'? An informal letter? I don't believe we sent that either.

So let me get this right. You want us to send YOU a letter asking for YOUR permission to send YOU grants?

I don't think you will find that it works that way Mr Jaime Tiongson.

With all good intent I have sent texts and emails saying that the funding is available if needed. If you have enough money to ignore offers that is fine, we have found at least one group who does want help.

Thank you