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Is this right? How fast does it need to be to be considered "high speed"?

Argh, I want to see this project finished already!

Usually speeds over 160km/h are considered high speed already...On our case, its just an express or rapid service. Once it is operational, a limited express train will ply between Tutuban and Legazpi. It has a limited stops only at certain major stations. The train will attain at max speeds of 120km/h at some straight section thus providing a much faster service than before. The goal is to win the long time passenger patronage for the tourist bus that only takes 9 hours to travel between Manila and Legazpi. The train must travel faster than bus by at least 2 hours in advance...

^^ PNR Then......

http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/moto888/pnr0022.jpg


PNR Now!!!

http://www.unlawyer.net/photos/ipap-photos/pasay_road_train_tracks.jpg

So sad to see the effects of mismanagement, neglect, over population, lack of discipline, corruption, etc, etc.
Just hoping this scene will not happen for the new railroad system...

Nathan,

Are you from Isabela? Meron ng plano ang PNR to extend it Northrail to Tuguegarao from Tarlac or Balagtas, Bulacan. Approved na rin ito sa Congress at may na reasearch ako sa internet about the Cagayan Valley Railway Extension Project... Try this http://www.jrtr.net/jrtr22/F38_Satre.html. It is better viewed with PDF..

WoS

^^ ^^ :banana:

mejo this is dream project because from Manila to Tuguegarao its around 400++ km..the way to Region 2 is much tougher and steeper like u r going to Baguio rather you are going to the west side which less mountains and no up down hill("i mean the west of N. Luzon ,the ILOCOS REGION")

think of all the money but i hope this project will be the next..
Isabela province is now the "rice and corn granary of Luzon" and all region 2 (since region 3 become industrialized and become more urban),
if this rail system be develop, major impact in agricultural as well as the country's economy, think what region 2 can offer to the rest of Luzon..the gov't will not import rice from vietnam and thailand anymore...:lol: :lol:

Advantages:
-ISABELA ,CAGAYAN, QUIRINO ,NUEVA ,VIZACAYA- all rice "palay" and corn producers (much better to have trains,bcoz today the maharlika hiway is always have potholes and the cement road cracks bcoz of heavy overloading truck trailers carrying rice and corn)
-ISABELA, CAGAYAN - Tobacco "cigars" Producers
-easy access to Banawe and Batad via N. Vizcaya- Tourism
-PALANAN, ISABELA - untamed sierra madre mountain ranges... -tourism again..
-CAGAYAN - Beach and old churches- tourism
-When u r going to commute (manila"cubao"-tuguegarao city)it is much cheaper and faster to have a train rather than bus...which take 12 hours of dizziness wingling and winding over the mountain ranges(zigzag) and sometimes if are unlucky ung bus may problema...

i hope they use standard gauge for future electrification ...haha..demanding ako

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9959/toledo65gq5.jpgIMG]http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9959/toledo65gq5.jpg[/IMG]

The very charming Toledo station.We could hopefully have some inspiration from this.

i wish it is toledo, cebu..hahaha

^^ WOWIE, Super Nice!!! I like this picture incase we redraw a certain station, at least I can draw a frontage of PNR GE5000. A nice view of the boggie..Thanks Sir Alcol...

Thanks mate, I only just managed to grab it. I was to busy chatting to some local friends there and just happened to see it pulling out the crane.
A very fast run and I just caughty it.

Brad

Hi Brad...

^^ Yes..someday we will be meeting with each other and the whole of SSC fans...

Hmm... Im also being intrigue by that issue of line separation going to Clark. A couple of days ago made me wonder why are they still looking for ROW when infact its already 30m. Try using Google Earth and you get the exact measurement. It pondered me a question that they are probably correcting the curves to get higher speeds...Would it be like that?

Morning,
Sorry for the delays in responding. Yesterday we were out doing all asawa things, then last night my friend Bill stopped by (just got mack from Santa Cruz) with presents consisting of Tanduay (actual run plus a few advertising signs for the karaoki room) and two large bottles of coconut vinegar, yum.

I can't remember where I saw the map now, but what they were showing was a massive diversion, more so than what would be needed to widen curves.
Bill suggested it could be to avoid many mud rivers that exist the original way. They may want something more reliable for Clark than the damage these rivers do when it rains.
But then this leaves us to wonder about the rest of the line to San Fernando.
He suggests they would likely keep this to the same alignment still anyway.
To me this would then defy the point. Nowdays we should be able to bridge these mud rivers in a way to avoid damage when it rains.
If the Clark line was to junction at Dau, as it did when built in 1903 to what was then Camp Stotsenburg) it would only be a 7km or so trip.
The extensive diversion as shown in the map would add incredibly to the cost. You would also have a harder time removing people from their properties that they are legally in :)
It would be wonderful to find a good map showing exactly what deviations from the original course they may or may not be taking. I wonder if turning up at their front door asking would reveal anything?

I suppose we will just watch with interest. :)

Brad

^^ Possible PNR routes to be rehabilitated.

1. Caloocan to San Fernando, La Union
2. Tarlac to San Jose
3. Caloocan to Legazpi
4. Calamba to Batangas
5. Calamba to Sta. Cruz

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Philippine_National_Railways.png

This is a great map, I have been looking for something like this one for ages.
If OK with you, I may add some of the other closed lines in a different colour, including the original one that went to Clark is now.
The map I originally saw showed it diverging from your map above about where it crosses the second light grey line. It then went on a large sweeping ark.
The more I think about it, despite the rest of the map being right, I think they may have just thrown this together to represent the Clark line with no thought actually given to reality.
Wish I knew where I saw it. I should have saved it straight away.

Brad

^^
5. SouthRail Phase 2 (Cotmon to Matnog)

After the Term of President...

1. NorthRail Extension to Loag
2. Cagayan Valley Railway Project - Starts from Caloocan, will share ROW with NorthRail to Balagtas then towards Cabanatuan, San Jose and Tuguerao.
3. Calamba - Batangas
5. Calamba - Sta. Cruz)


Pardon my ignorance :) but where is Cotmon to Matnog? Looks like I need to pull out the street directories again.

I worry about these projects that are to occur after President Gloria has gone. The usual presidential attitude is to dump ideas from the predecessor. It would be a disaster if that happens again.

Brad

sorry for this nuisance.. anyone interested for expanding the websites having this thread?:) why not go to this page..
http://www.flickr.com/groups/25936226@N00/discuss/72157601515458494/
i think many of you are aware of flickr.. this group is all about pnr, but sadly we only have 14 members..:(
i just thought of "recruiting":lol: new members that are really interested.. you can sign up by just using your yahoo id...
hope you guys will join...:)

I am curious as to know why we need yet another group?
We already have this forum, plus the PhilippineRailways Yahoogroup with nearly 200 members and continually growing. There was another Yahoogroup years ago but I think it died off, I can't even locate it now.
The danger of having to many groups, as we have found down here where three Aussie groups has turned to about 50, is that you can't join them all.
So instead of having one or two places of full information you have it scattered everywhere, so everyone loses out. :ohno:

Brad

I'm glad that this thread is moving quite fast. I hope that the situation in the PNR would be the same. :cheers: if you still have some resources such as the PDF file posted by @wheel of steel, please don't hesitate to post it here. Thanks. :)


If it moved as fast as this thread I could be expecting to catch a train to Sta Cruz while there in 2009. :lol:

Brad

Pardon my ignorance :) but where is Cotmon to Matnog? Looks like I need to pull out the street directories again.


Brad
Dosen't matter now, I just worked out where Cotmog to Matnog is.
Had another of those 'seniors moments' and I am not even a senior :lol:

Brad

^^ From PNR Website (www.pnr.gov.ph).

I wish they would keep this website updated.
It closed down a while back and then reappeared in this nicer style about a year or two ago. Yet much of it remains under construction (I suspect now it isnt) and nothing else has ever been added.
If anyone is tinking of using the feedback section, don't waste your time. Out of 10 emails I have sent, I have recieved about 0 replies :lol:

Brad

Matnog is in the province of Sorsogon... region 5... southern part of Luzon...

Matnog is in the province of Sorsogon... region 5... southern part of Luzon...

Thanks mate. Yeah I had a mental blank which was cleared when I read through the other posts.

Am working on the website again (probably the last time for a fortnight with much exhibition work every day for 12 days) and have a couple more shots to put up in a minute.

Brad

A line up of dodgy looking characters :lol: holding initial talks about the PRHS idea in Tayuman yard during February.
Sadly not in the shot are a couple of Pinoys also involved from the start.

I will leave you to guess which one is me :)

http://www.geocities.com/philippinerailwayhistorical/2007_02_09_PRHS_Founders_Tayuman_Brad_Peadon.jpg

She looks masungit.
I have seen that look on my asawa before and it usually means it is time to hide :lol:

http://www.geocities.com/philippinerailwayhistorical/2007_02_09_Tayuman_Maganda_Brad_Peadon.jpg

Pardon my ignorance :) but where is Cotmon to Matnog? Looks like I need to pull out the street directories again.

I worry about these projects that are to occur after President Gloria has gone. The usual presidential attitude is to dump ideas from the predecessor. It would be a disaster if that happens again.

Brad

^^ Good Day to all...

Sorry for the delay....Ah! Cotmon is a barangay that is in between Camalig and Guinobatan. Well, actually it's just about North of Guinobatan. It's just happened that the barangay it splits was located south of Daraga. Hmmm... Yesterday, I tried to look for it in Google Earth. I noticed that there is a white stip of at least 30m measured through the toolbar... Would it be the route to Sorsogon? A couple of years ago, I've learned that PNR has already prepared a plan for this extension. Maybe the've already acquire the ROW.

Im still trying find some infos

WoS...

A line up of dodgy looking characters :lol: holding initial talks about the PRHS idea in Tayuman yard during February.
Sadly not in the shot are a couple of Pinoys also involved from the start.

I will leave you to guess which one is me :)

http://www.geocities.com/philippinerailwayhistorical/2007_02_09_PRHS_Founders_Tayuman_Brad_Peadon.jpg

:lol: Puzzle...Puzzle...Puzzle.... ha ha ha!!! That one on the center of course..NGEK! ha ha ha.... Because ur more than a Filipino than asawa...ha ha ha..JOKE!!!

^^ My goodness... You guys look like INVESTORS! NICE picture!!! You're the guys the Philippines is looking for...ha ha ha!!!! :lol:

^^ ^^ :banana:

mejo this is dream project because from Manila to Tuguegarao its around 400++ km..the way to Region 2 is much tougher and steeper like u r going to Baguio rather you are going to the west side which less mountains and no up down hill("i mean the west of N. Luzon ,the ILOCOS REGION")

think of all the money but i hope this project will be the next..
Isabela province is now the "rice and corn granary of Luzon" and all region 2 (since region 3 become industrialized and become more urban),
if this rail system be develop, major impact in agricultural as well as the country's economy, think what region 2 can offer to the rest of Luzon..the gov't will not import rice from vietnam and thailand anymore...:lol: :lol:

Advantages:
-ISABELA ,CAGAYAN, QUIRINO ,NUEVA ,VIZACAYA- all rice "palay" and corn producers (much better to have trains,bcoz today the maharlika hiway is always have potholes and the cement road cracks bcoz of heavy overloading truck trailers carrying rice and corn)
-ISABELA, CAGAYAN - Tobacco "cigars" Producers
-easy access to Banawe and Batad via N. Vizcaya- Tourism
-PALANAN, ISABELA - untamed sierra madre mountain ranges... -tourism again..
-CAGAYAN - Beach and old churches- tourism
-When u r going to commute (manila"cubao"-tuguegarao city)it is much cheaper and faster to have a train rather than bus...which take 12 hours of dizziness wingling and winding over the mountain ranges(zigzag) and sometimes if are unlucky ung bus may problema...

^^ Hi Nathan...Marhay na aldaw saimo! (Good Day 2 U). I think the Cagayan Railway is aleady in the pipeline. Feasibility study shows that it is really feasible to build a railway in Cagayan.. I suspect that all of the advantages you've posted are correct as far as Im concerned as I have already read a news and articles back in 2000 about the Cagayan Valley Railway Project. I think it was already approved by NEDA. Just waiting for the proponent.

Revenue will come from cargos and freight services and ofcourse a very fast passenger train service. The line will be partly tunnelled and partly elevated. The rest at grade.....

@ Nathan.....

^^ Kung iaanalyze natin, nakakapanghinayang na hindi nagawa noong panahan ang Cagayan Railway. Sa palagay ko mas maunlad ang lugar na e2 kaysa sa Bicol noon. Kung nagawa sana e2, bka hindi na nagkalecheleche ang PNR. Natalo kasi sa bus service and PNR sa Dagupan Line... ganun din sa Bicol.... Sa Cagayan Valley, pwede silang kumita nang husto...

^^ My goodness... You guys look like INVESTORS! NICE picture!!! You're the guys the Philippines is looking for...ha ha ha!!!! :lol:

Investers :lol:
Only in Philippine history. All money invested will be for the benefit of the country and not for us.

Nope not the one in the middle. I am the one on the far right :)
The guy next to me is Bill who just got back from there, the other three are lucky enough to live in the Phils.

Brad

This sign is very ancient and very much worthy of preservation.
It is situated near Blumentritt station and is in the path of the shanty demo team.
THis old concrete sign is the only one I have seen and is likely from way back in the steam days. Sadly in a few weeks it to will be lost forever as I doubt the demolision guys will appreciate the significance.
It would be great to save it for the future museum.

http://www.geocities.com/philippinerailwayhistorical/2007_02_09_Bluementritt_SIGN_Brad_Peadon.jpg

Anyway guys I am about to head off for 12 days of continuous work. My visits to the forum will be only very occasional at this time, but I look forward to getting past it and chatting regularly again.
Take care everyone.

Brad

Investers :lol:
Only in Philippine history. All money invested will be for the benefit of the country and not for us.

Nope not the one in the middle. I am the one on the far right :)
The guy next to me is Bill who just got back from there, the other three are lucky enough to live in the Phils.

Brad

Brad...

^^ Wow!!! Nice to meet you MR. BRAD PEADON. Thank you so much for the love of our country. Hope we call always together with the rest of SSC move forward for the development of the railways in the Philippines.

WoS

So sad to see the effects of mismanagement, neglect, over population, lack of discipline, corruption, etc, etc.
Just hoping this scene will not happen for the new railroad system...

^^ I GUESS NOT ANYMORE!!!!

^^ Things are coming differently now. Filipino people are tired already dealing with this kind of situation. Perhaps most of us learned already and matured that anything couldn't be done at all without will and political will. Thanks to the initiators of these projects. Thanks to the growing patronage of the housing project of the government and their lifetime willingness to realize this project. We have already formulated a solution never have been done in other country in a humane way. And also thanks for all those thousands of families affected for their cooperative exodus without fight... This scene will be removed in a couple of days and will be just part of the history....

http://www.jrtr.net/jrtr16/f33_satre.html

Investers :lol:
Only in Philippine history. All money invested will be for the benefit of the country and not for us.

Nope not the one in the middle. I am the one on the far right :)
The guy next to me is Bill who just got back from there, the other three are lucky enough to live in the Phils.

Brad

hhhhmmmm... , the asawa must be a good cook. jjjoooowwwkkk:eat: :)

@ Nathan.....

^^ Kung iaanalyze natin, nakakapanghinayang na hindi nagawa noong panahan ang Cagayan Railway. Sa palagay ko mas maunlad ang lugar na e2 kaysa sa Bicol noon. Kung nagawa sana e2, bka hindi na nagkalecheleche ang PNR. Natalo kasi sa bus service and PNR sa Dagupan Line... ganun din sa Bicol.... Sa Cagayan Valley, pwede silang kumita nang husto...

yeah, actually PNR will get rich and rich..people in our region are rich, they just hide it on the outer side, farmers there have lands of their own unlike in visayas, where hacienderos rule.... in the 60's there were PNR buses bound to region 2.. sana train project nlng gnwa ng mga past presidents..."bullet train"hahaha 1 hr lng ur in tuguegarao na, wla ng mga magddorm na taga regions 3 and 2 sa sampaloc,manila.wahahaha uwian every day...

^^ Anyone who knows the actual path of Caloocan - Fort Bonifacio Run? I have some info that it will pass through from Caloocan to Del Monte Ave in Caloocan to Araneta Ave all the way to Shaw Bldv. Can somebody confirm it...

yeah, actually PNR will get rich and rich..people in our region are rich, they just hide it on the outer side, farmers there have lands of their own unlike in visayas, where haciendas rule.... in the 60's there were PNR buses bound to region 2.. sana train project nlng gnwa ng mga past presidents..."bullet train"hahaha 1 hr lng ur in tuguegarao na, wla ng mga magddorm na taga regions 3 and 2 sa sampaloc,manila.wahahaha uwian every day...

^^ That's true, parang JR mayron ring JR buses to serve the stations. I suspect, why did we retain the narrow guage is that there is a possiblity that we can acquire slightly used Japanese Trains. They use narrow gauge tracks and very much compatible to us. Japanese trains are so nice even the old ones kaya im very possitive about this....

IMG]http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7232/dsc00265xd3.jpg[/IMG]

...just corrected the post above. the script wasn't done properly..:)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7232/dsc00265xd3.jpg

Thanks Walrus 357.Another picture of tram system in Vienna Austria.As you can see it's pretty old but is still working well.And has always kept a uniform color for their trams.

Quezon City could benefit from trams,as it is well governed by the good Mayor Belmonte.It has large streets but still traffic is getting bad.

I wonder what plans has he got in terms of mass transport?










...just corrected the post above. the script wasn't done properly..:)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7232/dsc00265xd3.jpg

A line up of dodgy looking characters :lol: holding initial talks about the PRHS idea in Tayuman yard during February.
Sadly not in the shot are a couple of Pinoys also involved from the start.

I will leave you to guess which one is me :)

http://www.geocities.com/philippinerailwayhistorical/2007_02_09_PRHS_Founders_Tayuman_Brad_Peadon.jpg

Hey brad who's the guy on the most right? If ever you can reach him. pls relay to him my sincerest apologies for using his Sulu trip pictures for use in one of my product presentation.....:lol:

Whoa! you guys must have been really drugged up to go to those places!:lol: I hope you wouldnt get tired taking pictures around our country!:okay:

^^ The type of rail in the above picture is 37kg/m. Prior to the rehabilitation, this rails together with those rails currently in use in the main lines which is 32kg/m will be replaced by a 50kg/m to improve the capacity of the railroad...

^^ Good Day to all...

Sorry for the delay....Ah! Cotmon is a barangay that is in between Camalig and Guinobatan. Well, actually it's just about North of Guinobatan. It's just happened that the barangay it splits was located south of Daraga. Hmmm... Yesterday, I tried to look for it in Google Earth. I noticed that there is a white stip of at least 30m measured through the toolbar... Would it be the route to Sorsogon? A couple of years ago, I've learned that PNR has already prepared a plan for this extension. Maybe the've already acquire the ROW.

Im still trying find some infos

WoS...

google earth is not updated... look at sm san lazaro, not yet built.. anyway, the current google earth is still around year 2004 even though there's a marking that it is 2007 google earth pro..

Thanks Walrus 357.Another picture of tram system in Vienna Austria.As you can see it's pretty old but is still working well.And has always kept a uniform color for their trams.

Quezon City could benefit from trams,as it is well governed by the good Mayor Belmonte.It has large streets but still traffic is getting bad.

I wonder what plans has he got in terms of mass transport?

i agree with u,:banana:
here in Manila its impossible to put up trams because it always beeing flooded,and many people walking the streets (people don't use sidewalks bcos many vendors and slow moving people.hehe..peace)
i wish we could have trams like ones in europe and moscow.. i much prefer to commute than to ride cars..wahaha,much freedom and interesting, unlike in car, where u stuck in traffic for many hours..

google earth is not updated... look at sm san lazaro, not yet built.. anyway, the current google earth is still around year 2004 even though there's a marking that it is 2007 google earth pro..

^^ I may not be sure about this but I think there was already an ROW acquisition back in the late 1990s. I tried to confirm this in the Google Earth and I noticed that there was a strip of cleaned portion of the land in the vicinity of Cotmon. Before it splits up to Legazpi, there was also two very sharp curve going to Legazpi and the other going south to Sorsogon. I assume the latter was the line to Matnog....

In a cople of days, I will try to post it here the map...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8420/grpintoledo0769in9.jpg

These trains are so comfortable.You are already zooming past but you hardly feel any bumps and are so quiet.Wishful thingking,but are we going to have trains similar to this?(Pasensya na sa mga extra.)

mga pinay ba sila or saan ka dyan ..

Brad...

^^ Wow!!! Nice to meet you MR. BRAD PEADON. Thank you so much for the love of our country. Hope we call always together with the rest of SSC move forward for the development of the railways in the Philippines.

WoS

Hiya WoS,
Thought I would check by the group as work is dlayed two hours today.
I to hope we can all work foward the development of railways in the PHilippines. I honestly never thought I would see they day it would be rebuilt, but there is still a long way to go.

Best wishes
BRad

hhhhmmmm... , the asawa must be a good cook. jjjoooowwwkkk:eat: :)

Ahhhhmmmm yes she is.
How do you know the weight is not a medical problem?

Brad

Hey brad who's the guy on the most right? If ever you can reach him. pls relay to him my sincerest apologies for using his Sulu trip pictures for use in one of my product presentation.....:lol:

Whoa! you guys must have been really drugged up to go to those places!:lol: I hope you wouldnt get tired taking pictures around our country!:okay:

Perhaps a bit of Tanduay, but no need for other drugs to go to these places.
The people are great and my friends in PNR very helpful. The locals around this area seem to get a bum wrap, but they are just as nice as everyone else.
Not likely to get tired of taking photos there. Took over 2000 last time (half of this was around the islands) and am already planning what I want for the next trip.

Brad

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8420/grpintoledo0769in9.jpg

These trains are so comfortable.You are already zooming past but you hardly feel any bumps and are so quiet.Wishful thingking,but are we going to have trains similar to this?(Pasensya na sa mga extra.)

Ahhhhhh maganda :)

Is this your photo? I would love to use it in our Australasian Railway E-zine. While it covers mostly the Australia and Asia region, we do expand to areas like Spain at times and look for more people focused photos than just trains.

Brad

Yes of course,just don't forget to mention it was shot by a filipino for filipinos:) .

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9009/grpintoledo0770dt3.jpg

Don't mind the extra's

Yes of course,just don't forget to mention it was shot by a filipino for filipinos:) .

Thanks mate.
Do you want me to credit the photo to your real name or 'IndioBravo'??

Brad

IndioBravo will be fine Alcogoodwin.No worries ,my pleasure.

hi guys I was out of contact for the long weekend! just got back from my monthly trip home to Batangas yesterday. I did not have my cam phone with me to take some shots but i saw movement in the demolition of the Taguig section of the North-South Line. Houses are being torn down one by one. I saw a lone station (I think its FTI Taguig, correct me if I'm wrong) with no houses within 50 meters on either side. I think their fast tracking the tearing down of structures within the ROW. I'll be going back home next month, hopefully the entire Taguig Section will be cleared by that time. :)

^^ Thanks Chits... Youre the guy for today.... Thanks for the infos, at least we have already an update for the portion of the FTI. Censya na kayo guys, and2 pa kc me sa Bicol. Marami pa me asikaso d2 and hopefully makapunta ako dyan. I will do the camera sneaking at least sa Malolos City Northrail Project...:)

the houses along the railway in santa mesa...towards sampaloc has not been demolished yet....the area toward pup though has already been cleared...this should be given attention by the mayor of manila...not tearing down the baywalk area that serves some good purpose...

the houses along the railway in santa mesa...towards sampaloc has not been demolished yet....the area toward pup though has already been cleared...this should be given attention by the mayor of manila...not tearing down the baywalk area that serves some good purpose...

^^ From Sta. Mesa going trough Sampaloc are scheduled this August, maybe this will be the next in line. This portion is the elite of all squatters...

^^ From Sta. Mesa going trough Sampaloc are scheduled this August, maybe this will be the next in line. This portion is the elite of all squatters...

hopefully things will go as sked.....coz finishing this portion will be a confidence boost for us filipinos....that things gets done here...it will be a showcase of what we are trying to become.....once the interconnection is completed...the other projects will be a walk in the park...

^^ hahaha meron na rin palang class structures ang mga squatters, parang army me elite! meron din kaya silang special forces? yung mga nag -iisquat sa mga lugar na di mo alam na pwede kagaya ng ilalim ng tulay. :D

^^ hahaha meron na rin palang class structures ang mga squatters, parang army me elite! meron din kaya silang special forces? yung mga nag -iisquat sa mga lugar na di mo alam na pwede kagaya ng ilalim ng tulay. :D

talaga...ganon sila katindi......yung iba pa nagde demand pa na bigyan sila ng pabahay....nde na nga nagbabayad ng buwis.....tindi...lalo n ang mga professional squatters....ito ang highest level sa structure.... kainis :bash:

^^ also, take note that some others also have cars (Toyota Altis, Honda Civic)... :lol:

Nope not the one in the middle. I am the one on the far right :)
The guy next to me is Bill who just got back from there, the other three are lucky enough to live in the Phils.

Brad

So I guessed it right! You were that good looking guy! :lol:

^^ Actually, Ive never seen a city south of manila that has so many buildings other than Lucena.. But anyway this Southraill when done, would greatly help the thousands of commuters plying this route...2009 is the completion date....

I wish you were the right hand man of PGMA so you can get some "big" projects to go our way... :lol:

Keeping my fingers crossed that it will be completed by 2009... I have doubts especially with the "SLEX extension" experience...

Well, thanks for the complement --- tall buildings abound at the central business district since the space there is at a premium...
narrow roads + high rises = population saturation + heavy traffic

Lucena's progress... so near yet so far... talk about bitterness... :tongue3:

I wish you were the right hand man of PGMA so you can get some "big" projects to go our way... :lol:

Keeping my fingers crossed that it will be completed by 2009... I have doubts especially with the "SLEX extension" experience...

Well, thanks for the complement --- tall buildings abound at the central business district since the space there is at a premium...
narrow roads + high rises = population saturation + heavy traffic

Lucena's progress... so near yet so far... talk about bitterness... :tongue3:

^^ We'll if you've have doubts in this project so be it. Im just wondering why the PNR is really after this Phase 1A. If Lucena City is of little importance, then it is not worthy to extend the line and introduce a commuter service in this city rather than they just bypassed it or just until San Pablo City or Calamba. They have probably divided the Southrail 1 to a and b simple because of the accepted fact that the PNR cant finish the whole stretch of Southrail to Bicol during the last term of PGMA. I think the remaining term of the President will just be the initiation of the long distrance train service to Bicol and one of the starter is the Calamba-Lucena Line.

hi... just sharing my photo of the Long Island Railroad

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1314/751678669_0b810c2f08_o.jpg

i wonder if the PNR will ever have a fleet of these cars.. if they do.. i'll take the upper level, which i thinki s pretty safe from harm.. e.g. rocks, mud, manure., garbage?!:lol:

^^ Mahilig sila sa mga double deckers.:lol: It is also possible here in the Philippines. JR lines in Japan has many Double Decker trains that runs fast in a 1067mm railroad and simply pose no trouble. In Southeast Asia, I think Vietnam has one special double deck liner that runs in 1000mm railroad for long distance travel.

^^ We'll if you've have doubts in this project so be it. Im just wondering why the PNR is really after this Phase 1A. If Lucena City is of little importance, then it is not worthy to extend the line and introduce a commuter service in this city rather than they just bypassed it or just until San Pablo City or Calamba. They have probably divided the Southrail 1 to a and b simple because of the accepted fact that the PNR cant finish the whole stretch of Southrail to Bicol during the last term of PGMA. I think the remaining term of the President will just be the initiation of the long distrance train service to Bicol and one of the starter is the Calamba-Lucena Line.

Tol, its not about the importance of Lucena, Sn. Pablo, Legaspi or Naga...

Don't get me wrong, and I don't want to sound naive... I'm excited about Southrail, I just have a bad feeling on Ph.1A (Calamba-Lucena) being finished within PGMA's term... I believe there are a lot of factors that could derail this project --- (Peso-Dollar exchange, performance of RP economy, politics, backing out of investors, and other unforseen factors).

During Ramos' time as president, there was a lot of publicity about ground breaking of SLEX Calamba to Lucena... and yet it has been 10 yrs and not even a sack of gravel was laid on this more or less 90km stretch... Even the Quezon Coastal road (traversing Lucena-Sn. Juan Batangas, which broke ground late 2006) has been stalled due to "lack of funds"... but hey, look at NLEX rehab, SCTEX and other region III projects which are either completed or running smoothly...

I think Philippine presidents tend to prioritize their own bailiwicks... I feel Northrail will surely be completed by the end of PGMA's term...

Oh, how I wish President M.L. Quezon was still in power today...

^^ Mahilig sila sa mga double deckers.:lol: It is also possible here in the Philippines. JR lines in Japan has many Double Decker trains that runs fast in a 1067mm railroad and simply pose no trouble. In Southeast Asia, I think Vietnam has one special double deck liner that runs in 1000mm railroad for long distance travel.

I think I've seen Vietnam trains on "The Amazing Race"... i just don't know which episode it was... they have time schedules, and the train was cozy enough... even Indian railway was featured in that program...

^^ From Vietnam, Double Deck Cars.... These cars are made in Vietnman...

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Gialam/anh/TXAngoimem2tang.jpg

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Dian/anh/xengoi2tangDH.jpg

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Haiphong/Trang10-toxe2tangA2T.jpg

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Haiphong/Trang10-toxe2tangA2T-cautao.jpg

http://www.vr.com.vn/Cacdonvi/Congnghiep/Haiphong/Trang10-toxe2tangA2T-noithat.jpg

Vietnam Double Track Electrified Line
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df06132005d.jpg

Vietnam double decker from outsied....
http://dsvn1.dyndns.biz/gahaiphong/anhsanga.jpg

Vietnman Double Decker interior...
http://www.stage-door.org/photoalbum/2005/vietnam/set1/103-0318_IMG.jpg

^^ JR Japan Double Decker....

http://www.japaneserailwaysociety.com/jrs/month/y03/mar/215shin_kawasaki.jpg


http://www.railway-technical.com/Eole.gif

hey dis is my update...

PANDACAN STATION now
http://file.uploadr.com/fe81-embed

Caloocan Northrail now
http://file.uploadr.com/fe80-embed

August 21,2007

hey dis is my update...

PANDACAN STATION now
http://file.uploadr.com/fe81-embed

Caloocan Northrail now
http://file.uploadr.com/fe80-embed

August 21,2007

The Pandacan station looks clean now:banana: , the last time i drove that flyover there's shanties underneath it.

isn't it the station itself looks like a shanty? clearly we need a new standard of neatness. ^^

however, that's one step ahead. :banana:

a round of applause. ^^

omg its so empty now O.O
i never thought it would soon look like that

^^ From Sta. Mesa going trough Sampaloc are scheduled this August, maybe this will be the next in line. This portion is the elite of all squatters...

The elite of squatters :lol:
Who would have thought, social classes along 'Da Riles'.

They do seem to be doing it a random manner and rather patchy. Still at least its being done.
Great to get the update from FTI.

Brad

So I guessed it right! You were that good looking guy! :lol:

Nah, you must have the wrong one again :lol:

^^ We'll if you've have doubts in this project so be it. Im just wondering why the PNR is really after this Phase 1A. If Lucena City is of little importance, then it is not worthy to extend the line and introduce a commuter service in this city rather than they just bypassed it or just until San Pablo City or Calamba. They have probably divided the Southrail 1 to a and b simple because of the accepted fact that the PNR cant finish the whole stretch of Southrail to Bicol during the last term of PGMA. I think the remaining term of the President will just be the initiation of the long distrance train service to Bicol and one of the starter is the Calamba-Lucena Line.

The frequency of buses between Manila and Lucena would certainly suggest a commuter train between these locoations to be extremely viable. Or is it a case that most buses aren't full all the way through to Lucena?
A train that could cut the road time in half would be very damaging for the bus companies and would also become 'very' attractive to even the most determined user of private cars.
I feel the 'anti-train' people in power may well be in for a huge surprise over how great that old pungit PNR can really be.

Brad

The Pandacan station looks clean now:banana: , the last time i drove that flyover there's shanties underneath it.

The only change at Caloocan since Feb is all the grass. The recent rains have obviously done wonders for growth.

The change at Pandacan station is phenomenal.

Brad

Nah, you must have the wrong one again :lol:

Aha!:lol:

The frequency of buses between Manila and Lucena would certainly suggest a commuter train between these locoations to be extremely viable. Or is it a case that most buses aren't full all the way through to Lucena?
A train that could cut the road time in half would be very damaging for the bus companies and would also become 'very' attractive to even the most determined user of private cars.
I feel the 'anti-train' people in power may well be in for a huge surprise over how great that old pungit PNR can really be.

Brad

You are correct... that is why I have doubts on completion of Southrail upgrade in Dec. 2009 (we will be lucky enough if this would even reach Sn. Pablo) --- politics can really destroy the Southrail project --- considering some local officials in the provinces traversed by this project have interests/connections to the transport business...

With regards to the buses which ply the NCR(LRT/Alabang/Cubao)-Lucena-Calauag route, they surely earn good money. IMO there are about 8-10 bus companies serving this route, so they should have gone out of business long time ago if they weren't. The more flashy/cool the bus designs (especially the interior amenities) the more likely they would be patronized. Aside from buses, jeepneys ply a segment of the bus' route: Sn. Pablo-Calauan-Los Banos-Calamba, Sn. Pablo-Tiaong-Candelaria, Candelaria-Lucena, Lucena-Pagbilao-Atimonan, etc. There are also FX service from Sta. Rosa/Calamba-Lucena, etc...

If the squatters could affect/slow down the progress of the Linkage project, what more with the influential transport groups?

I just hope these transport groups would be resilient enough and be able to accept this big investment and development. They should know that competition within the transport sector is for the benefit of the riding public... :)

The Pandacan station looks clean now:banana: , the last time i drove that flyover there's shanties underneath it.

this is good news.....clear na pala sa squatters ang part na yan...so most probably the project will go as sked and hopefully finish also as sked...

Good news indeed! I always passed by that area going to school in Taft. Still a long way to go. I still see squatters in the South Superhighway in the entrance going to C5.

^^ good day to all....

I have some latest infos through phone from my good friend that Northrail construction has heavy concentrations on the areas where the viaducts and bridges are to be built. Most especially the Valenzuela and Malolos viaducts. And also some major bridges. Some of the notable works being done are the bored piling and piers erection. Although the landscaping continues in some portion especially the Bulacan area, the regrading and construction of stations will follow soon after all of those preliminary works have been done... Probly the reason why no sign of works yet to commence in some areas including the Caloocan Station..:)

You are correct... that is why I have doubts on completion of Southrail upgrade in Dec. 2009 (we will be lucky enough if this would even reach Sn. Pablo) --- politics can really destroy the Southrail project --- considering some local officials in the provinces traversed by this project have interests/connections to the transport business...

With regards to the buses which ply the NCR(LRT/Alabang/Cubao)-Lucena-Calauag route, they surely earn good money. IMO there are about 8-10 bus companies serving this route, so they should have gone out of business long time ago if they weren't.
If the squatters could affect/slow down the progress of the Linkage project, what more with the influential transport groups?

I just hope these transport groups would be resilient enough and be able to accept this big investment and development. They should know that competition within the transport sector is for the benefit of the riding public... :)

I have been surprised that there has not been more screaming by the bus companies. Unless I have been missing it, they have been less than noisy about it all.
Like any other private transport company, they don't want what is best for the public, just what is best for their bank account.
They should start a rethink on their operations. Lucena to Manila would be out of the question perhaps, but why not change to become feeder services for PNR? There are plenty of areas away from the line with people who would also like fast access to the capital.
Feeder services would achieve this and still give them good numbers.
Dare I even dream then that they could achieve a integrated bus/train ticketing system?

Brad

^^ good day to all....

I have some latest infos through phone from my good friend that Northrail construction has heavy concentrations on the areas where the viaducts and bridges are to be built. Most especially the Valenzuela and Malolos viaducts. And also some major bridges. Some of the notable works being done are the bored piling and piers erection. Although the landscaping continues in some portion especially the Bulacan area, the regrading and construction of stations will follow soon after all of those preliminary works have been done... Probly the reason why no sign of works yet to commence in some areas including the Caloocan Station..:)

Many thanks WoS, I love these updates.
Thanks also to your good Northrail contact.

Brad

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/2007_02_09_Tutuban_Ticket_Seller_Brad_Peadon.jpg

Thankfully they have since moved this poor chap inside out of the weather.

Brad

isn't it the station itself looks like a shanty? clearly we need a new standard of neatness. ^^
. ^^

Some stations like this one really need to be restored more than replaced.
The Pandacan station building looks run down (as you say, like a shanty), but it has lots of character and is a very usable piece of Philippine Railway history. Fully restored it would be far more attractive than those things that pass for modern 'design' nowdays.

Brad

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/2007_02_09_Tutuban_Ticket_Seller_Brad_Peadon.jpg

Thankfully they have since moved this poor chap inside out of the weather.

Brad

Nice... seems like that guy has just finished eating his meryenda!

I have been surprised that there has not been more screaming by the bus companies. Unless I have been missing it, they have been less than noisy about it all.
Like any other private transport company, they don't want what is best for the public, just what is best for their bank account.
They should start a rethink on their operations. Lucena to Manila would be out of the question perhaps, but why not change to become feeder services for PNR? There are plenty of areas away from the line with people who would also like fast access to the capital.
Feeder services would achieve this and still give them good numbers.
Dare I even dream then that they could achieve a integrated bus/train ticketing system?

Brad

They're keeping their silence about this --- its like the calm before a storm... or perhaps they already anticipate that this project wont be successful unless their boss in power steps down...

If PGMA can muster enough political will to "railroad" the Southrail Ph.1A project and complete it by 2009, then it will be the best legacy she will leave to Lucena and Quezon...

Nice... seems like that guy has just finished eating his meryenda!

mukhang wawa naman itong mama na ito....it reflects the kind of railway service that we have now...

They're keeping their silence about this --- its like the calm before a storm... or perhaps they already anticipate that this project wont be successful unless their boss in power steps down...

If PGMA can muster enough political will to "railroad" the Southrail Ph.1A project and complete it by 2009, then it will be the best legacy she will leave to Lucena and Quezon...

don't worry....matatapos yan....it would sure be nice to have the train run up to sorsogon....

Nice... seems like that guy has just finished eating his meryenda!

:lol: I hadn't noticed that below until you mentioned it.
Can we get him fined for littering?

Brad

:lol: I hadn't noticed that below until you mentioned it.
Can we get him fined for littering?

Brad

i don't think i have the conscience to do that....it looks like he has not eaten yet...:ohno:

^^ Perhaps I was wrong, maybe the one who took the picture was the one ate that snack...:lol:

don't worry....matatapos yan....it would sure be nice to have the train run up to sorsogon....

Maybe if Chiz Escudero would become president...

"Sleds" near the Lucena Station (notice the engine drive-belt under the driver's seat, to his left)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9840/z1un9.jpg

RR Crossing signage
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8198/z2cl7.jpg

Flickr: pakshet 101

^^ aaaarrrgggghh!!! :bash: there are still houses along the rails? when will they be demolished and relocated? or those houses are not covered by the north-south projects?

The relocation are still on - going the reason why it's delayed to the schedule because the land for relocation are not still ready so it's meaning that the demolition are stop for a mean time according to the PNR real estate officer that who guide the demolition but don't worry the project will start soon after the whole line clear from the squatters i think by 2008 the construction will begin so relax don't be anger.

^^ Im still positive that the Southrail Project would reach Legazpi by 2013 despite of all delays happening. :okay:

^^ Im still positive that the Southrail Project would reach Legazpi by 2013 despite of all delays happening. :okay:

Yes, no harm in being optimistic.

yan naman kasi ang "limit" ng tinatawag nating "progreso" hohoho

sleds great... nice invention of pinoys..

i saw portions yesterday of laong laan-espana/ espana -sta mesa where residents volunteered to demolish their houses, but only around 3 meters from the outer rails.. some are breaking the hollow blocks some have already setback their houses, but its still not enough.. the row should go up to algeciras st and on the other side the antipolo st. + sidewalk on both sides for pedestrian and fence...

http://file.uploadr.com/ff50-embed

pandacan station again... update lng..

^^ kahit gaano kaganda ang station kung sa ilalim rin lang ng tulay. pangit.

history na yan...anyways, mas maganda cguro yan nun nung wla pa ung flyover..

i don't think i have the conscience to do that....it looks like he has not eaten yet...:ohno:


He must have, the packet was empty.

Regards
Sherlock Holmes

"Sleds" near the Lucena Station (notice the engine drive-belt under the driver's seat, to his left)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9840/z1un9.jpg



Many thanks.
Its hard to tell, but it looks like they have larger type wheels on top of the railhead for the powered ones.
Looks funny seeing people travelling on one without someone pushing up behind :)

Brad

^^ Perhaps I was wrong, maybe the one who took the picture was the one ate that snack...:lol:


I didn't even know it was a snack, I thought they may have been a packet noodle type thing.

Brad
** Thats my defence in court anyway :lol:

sleds great... nice invention of pinoys..

Sadly they are not uniquely Pinoy, these things have also long been used in at least Cambodia.
I am guessing it would be incredibly hard to work our which country used them first with no records of such things kept :(

Brad

http://file.uploadr.com/ff50-embed

pandacan station again... update lng..

What a lovely old station building. Its interesting how the Philippines have managed to get such an enormous amount of differing designs over such short distances. So many of them don't seem to share a design with any other location.

Brad

Sadly they are not uniquely Pinoy, these things have also long been used in at least Cambodia.
I am guessing it would be incredibly hard to work our which country used them first with no records of such things kept :(

Brad

easy...the country that had the railroad first...is the definitely...the one who thought of the skates.....yup that is what they call them...i rode in one during my trips to quezon...

What a lovely old station building. Its interesting how the Philippines have managed to get such an enormous amount of differing designs over such short distances. So many of them don't seem to share a design with any other location.

Brad

i don't think that is worth preserving....the one in paco is worth preserving that one needs the wrecking ball.....

^^ Good Morning Railroaders:)

Im currently hearing an interview in the radio from NEDA authorities here in Bicol about the Presidents top priority projects in Bicol. There saying that Southrail to Bicol is their one of the top 3 projects to be prioritize during the term of PGMA. Alongside was the Alobo International Airport Project and Bicol Power Restoration Projects.....:okay:

i saw portions yesterday of laong laan-espana/ espana -sta mesa where residents volunteered to demolish their houses, but only around 3 meters from the outer rails.. some are breaking the hollow blocks some have already setback their houses, but its still not enough.. the row should go up to algeciras st and on the other side the antipolo st. + sidewalk on both sides for pedestrian and fence...

^^ Nice update NATHAN..... Thank you!!!:banana:

^^ Relax lang.... Madedemolish rin yan mga core properties...kuno... ha ha ha:lol: September 1, iiyak na yang mga professional iskwaters na yan at magsisi na sana nagvolunteer na lang cila... hu hu hu!!!::tiasd: Yan kasi, ang titigas ng mga ulo!!! Inaankin, di naman sa kanila....... Sa mga nagvolunteer at nasa relocation site na.... Saludo kami sa inyo!!!!:bow: and Congratulations and Feel at Home sa NEW HOME!!!:banana:

easy...the country that had the railroad first...is the definitely...the one who thought of the skates.....yup that is what they call them...i have ride in one of my trips to quezon...



i don't think that is worth preserving....the one in paco is worth preserving that one needs the wrecking ball.....

It's sad how the beautiful Paco station had been demolished only to preserve and beautify the ruins. Notice that what's left of the façade always gets a fresh coat of paint. It should not have been demolished in the first place.

The best preserved station for me would be the Tutuban Station which now stands as the entryway to the Tutuban Centermall I and II. BTW, is it true that parts of the station or the station itself was designed by Gustave Eiffel?

^^ yep., yun din nabasa ko., :)

Nandito na ba sa Pinas yung mga trains na gagamitin for this project?

Nandito na ba sa Pinas yung mga trains na gagamitin for this project?

^^ Cguro? We'll just confirm it in the coming days. Ang sabi before mag October, dadating na yung 3 locomotives from China na gagamitin sa constructions.

^^ Actually they will lay a temporary track to be use for transportation of materials especially the sand and gravels. I may not be sure about this but they have to build a temporary bridges also to do this. The old railroad was already completely removed and that the roadbed in Caloocan, Valenzuela and Malabon are already cleared and ready for temporary track installation.

It's sad how the beautiful Paco station had been demolished only to preserve and beautify the ruins. Notice that what's left of the façade always gets a fresh coat of paint. It should not have been demolished in the first place.

The best preserved station for me would be the Tutuban Station which now stands as the entryway to the Tutuban Centermall I and II. BTW, is it true that parts of the station or the station itself was designed by Gustave Eiffel?

the pic i think is not of paco...but pandacan.....coz paco station is a lot bigger and medyo neo-classical ata ang archi nun...ito parang barangay outpost...

on the tutuban station...yup that would not be impossible since si eiffel din ang nag design ng quiapo bridge....kaya maganda... few knows about it...i bet lim doesn't

^^ yep., yun din nabasa ko., :)

Nandito na ba sa Pinas yung mga trains na gagamitin for this project?

i don't think so...that would be too early for that...july next year pa ang operation....baka early next year 1Q pa yan...

^^ Actually they will lay a temporary track to be use for transportation of materials especially the sand and gravels. I may not be sure about this but they have to build a temporary bridges also to do this. The old railroad was already completely removed and that the roadbed in Caloocan, Valenzuela and Malabon are already cleared and ready for temporary track installation.

laying of tracks is fast nowadays i have seen how its done..sa discovery ata yun or national geographic channel...ang galing mabilis na....laying of the tracks is fast and easy...its the building of the foundation that is time consuming they try to make sure that the base is stable...lapit na ang july...september na nxt week....pasko..na...din new year..din valentine's day , din graduation, din summer, din class opening...sabay na ang opening ng north-south railway interconnection project....yehey....excited na excited na ako....makainom na nga lang...:cheers:

Thanks mate, I would be very interested.
Actually to date I think these sleds are something that have been overlooked in the preservation idea. They are just as much a part of rail history there.

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/2007_02_09_Lake_Paco_Brad_Peadon.jpg

hi brad, can i use this pic as a part of my image mapping in my project thesis in school?

the pic i think is not of paco...but pandacan.....coz paco station is a lot bigger and medyo neo-classical ata ang archi nun...ito parang barangay outpost...

on the tutuban station...yup that would not be impossible since si eiffel din ang nag design ng quiapo bridge....kaya maganda... few knows about it...i bet lim doesn't





i don't think so...that would be too early for that...july next year pa ang operation....baka early next year 1Q pa yan...



laying of tracks is fast nowadays i have seen how its done..sa discovery ata yun or national geographic channel...ang galing mabilis na....laying of the tracks is fast and easy...its the building of the foundation that is time consuming they try to make sure that the base is stable...lapit na ang july...september na nxt week....pasko..na...din new year..din valentine's day , din graduation, din summer, din class opening...sabay na ang opening ng north-south railway interconnection project....yehey....excited na excited na ako....makainom na nga lang...:cheers:

^^ Ha ha ha!!!! Inubos you na ata nireply lahat nga nagpost..he he he!:lol: O, tagay tayo!!! :cheers: Yan.... yan ang pinoy!!! He he he.... kailangan makaalis na agad tayo dito sa page 13 para bwenas sa page 14.. :nuts:

^^ :lol: What I mean is that they will use the trains to be use for construction. Scheduled to arrive this month. The trains that will use for the Linkage will arrive next year plus 4mo. testing, maybe full blast operation sa September, 2008. Malapit na yun at discounted na... The techique is that they will have simultaenous construction for all stations. I think they will spend 5-6 mo. per station. Modular lang kasi ang gagamitin. Ibig sabihin prefab ang gagamitin. Gagawin sa factory at pagkakabitkabitin sa site. MADALI!!!:banana:

hi brad, can i use this pic as a part of my image mapping in my project thesis in school?

^^ Hi Nathan, just imagine measuring at least 2ft from the Paco Lake water elevation and you get the permanent grade of Southrail. So expect a bumpy railroad crossing ride.. he he he.... JOKE!!!:nuts:

^^ :lol: What I mean is that they will use the trains to be use for construction. Scheduled to arrive this month. The trains that will use for the Linkage will arrive next year plus 4mo. testing, maybe full blast operation sa September, 2008. Malapit na yun at discounted na... The techique is that they will have simultaenous construction for all stations. I think they will spend 5-6 mo. per station. Modular lang kasi ang gagamitin. Ibig sabihin prefab ang gagamitin. Gagawin sa factory at pagkakabitkabitin sa site. MADALI!!!:banana:


ahh...ok....since its modular...sana maganda at medyo ultra modern...para nde naman magmukhang kawawa railways natin....at ma-excite ang mga passengers na sumakay...dahil sa ganda ng station....

^^ I think the most profitable lines and heavy traffic for freight service when our railroad is completed are the following...

1. Manila Port - FTI - Batangas Port vice versa
2. Manila Port - FTI - Clark to Subic vice versa
3. Subic - Clark - FTI - Batangas vice versa
4. Manila/Subic/Clark/Batangas - FTI - Mauban Port (Pacific Opening Side if realized) vice versa

ahh...ok....since its modular...sana maganda at medyo ultra modern...para nde naman magmukhang kawawa railways natin....at ma-excite ang mga passengers na sumakay...dahil sa ganda ng station....

^^ Naiimagine ko kac na parang magkahawig ang style ng pagconstruct ng ating railway sa Ipoh-Rawang Double Track sa Malaysia.... Madali at medyo may pagkaclass ang dating ng station. Ang even the station at the provinces are the same than that of the stations sa Manila...

is tutuban terminal really designed by gustave eiffel??.... hmmmmm i doubt it..

is tutuban terminal really designed by gustave eiffel??.... hmmmmm i doubt it..

^^ hmmm.... parang!!! Medyo colonial and dating ng Tutuban...

^^ Hmmm... Gud news, kasi The NorthRail will extend their operations from original Caloocan, they will move further South to Tutuban.... Ok to!!! Very nice news...

^^ @ Richard24....

Hi Richard,

Wala ba tayong update dyan sa may PUP? I hope sana magstart na demolish ang southrail going North from PUP. Thanks....

WoS

ei wheel of steel update to from last week..i went there.

area around teresa and anonas st and PUP

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe1-embed
from teresa st.

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe2-embed
pup entry point

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe3-embed
anonas st. on the other side...

Thanks for the update! Good to see demolition is on-going. Move these families away from danger!

From my friend who have an aunt living near here said that some of the people living here when it was not yet been demolished are drug pushers, snatchers, and Sputnik gang..

One time i was interviewing a station manager at Espana Station,i ask her, does holup and robbery prone here?

- she said yes, along at night, and most in Santa mesa area ... she said one time there were reports that holduppers will ride at snta mesa station then when they like u, they will sit by ur side and they will get wat they want, no choice for you, then when the train reach pandacan bridge, they will jump into the pasig river...

ei wheel of steel update to from last week..i went there.

area around teresa and anonas st and PUP

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe1-embed
from teresa st.

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe2-embed
pup entry point

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe3-embed
anonas st. on the other side...

^^ Ok! Thanks for the photos Nathan, and also thanks for your hi-tech cp.. Naks! ha ha ha! Ang galeng ng mga SSC boys....

From my friend who have an aunt living near here said that some of the people living here when it was not yet been demolished are drug pushers, snatchers, and Sputnik gang..

One time i was interviewing a station manager at Espana Station,i ask her, does holup and robbery prone here?

- she said yes, along at night, and most in Santa mesa area ... she said one time there were reports that holduppers will ride at snta mesa station then when they like u, they will sit by ur side and they will get wat they want, no choice for you, then when the train reach pandacan bridge, they will jump into the pasig river...

When you visit that area again, be careful... or your celphone might be snatched... :nuts:

Analysis - Philippines Pushes Ahead With Infrastructure Plans
(Analysis from Asia Today International, Australia's regional business magazine. Contact: asiatoday(at)asiatoday.com.au)

MANILA, Aug 20 Asia Pulse - The years 2008-2009 will be "banner years" for Philippine infrastructure. With the May Congressional elections over and the 2007 Budget passed (although late), construction of delayed roads, ports, airports and rail networks has resumed at a frenzied pace.

"The feedback we're receiving from implementing agencies is that they are all on schedule," says Ruben Reinoso Jr., Assistant Director- General at the Cabinet planning body, the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA). "2008 will be better than 2007," he adds, "because the momentum has started, and we'll have no repeat of the impasse (of the 2007 Budget being delayed in Congress)."

Optimism is high, despite a looming hiccup - tax collection for the first half of 2007 has fallen drastically short (the Chief Tax Collector has been fired as a result) and may derail allocation of funds for infrastructure. But Finance Secretary Margarito Teves indicated the Government will close the Budget shortfall by enhancing tax collection while it prepares to sell off assets it holds in moneymakers San Miguel Corporation and Manila Electric Company.

The Government has made clear that it intends to maintain the pace of infrastructure development to lure foreign investment. This was the theme when President Gloria Arroyo opened the new Congress on July 23. In a reiteration of her 2006 State-of-the-Nation address, she outlined her goals to make infrastructure development a pillar of growth. Her Government has allocated four to five per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) for infrastructure from 2007 onwards, double the amount of previous years. With another three years to the end of her term in 2010, Arroyo has been of late talking of her legacy in terms of tangible economic growth.

On schedule, therefore, according to NEDA officials, are key roads, railways and ports to link up different regions of the archipelago and serve economic growth areas Arroyo has identified. Definitely on the go is a 82-km tollway linking Subic Freeport to Clark Freeport. Reinoso expresses confidence that this project will start the moment the contract is awarded (before the end of 2007), and that it should be completed by March 2008. The Government is attaching great importance to this flagship project as the two freeports are primed to be Luzon Island's growth areas for foreign investors.

The Government is also emphasising two rail lines to link Manila to northern Luzon and southeast Luzon in the Bicol region. The North Rail and the South Rail are the subject of serious contention between rival Chinese and South Korean financiers. The Chinese have been awarded the first part of the North Rail, a 33-km stretch from Caloocan (north of Manila) to Malolos in Bulacan province.

And the Chinese are committed - but have not yet signed - a contract to build the second phase, from Malolos to Clark Freeport, 80 km north. But the Korean Economic Development Corp Fund (KEDCF), South Korea's aid agency, is already building a line to link the South Rail to the North Rail, between Caloocan and Alabang, south of Manila. KEDCF has started engineering studies to build the next link from Alabang to Calamba town, a distance of 60 km.

The Chinese have offered to build the next 500 km, from Calamba to Lucena and all the way to Lagaspi City in southeast Luzon, then to build a new line from Legaspi City to Sorsogon.

Recent infrastructure projects have been demand-driven by foreign investors, mainly the Chinese and Koreans, at concessionary terms. Chinese interest was strongly reflected in a surprise June 21 Executive Order by President Arroyo designating a Philippine navy reserve and naval base at Sangley Point, on the southern tip of Cavite, and at the mouth of Manila Bay, as an international logistics hub.

To the surprise of NEDA officials, who said they had not received any proposals for evaluation, the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) announced that it was eyeing Sangley Point as a cargo hub. COSCO wants to reclaim land to construct an airport, port and yards for shipbuilding and cargo handling at a cost of US$3 billion, says Francis Chua, who is Arroyo's special envoy tapping trade and investment from China. If it is not Sangley Point, Chua reiterates, it will be some other port in Luzon.

Chinese hunger for logistics infrastructure has gone over to airports as well. Teams of Chinese officials have inspected and expressed interest in re-developing Laoag airport in the north, which at the moment receives charter flights from Taiwan and Hong Kong. The Chinese have also expressed interest in Puerto Princessa airport, in Palawan's capital. The Koreans are not too far behind. They are already building an airport at Busuanga island, in north Palawan, where Korean tourism interests in hotels and golf courses are sprouting up.

Chinese officials have offered - and NEDA officials say they have accepted in principle - investments to build water supply infrastructure, in particular Liban Dam, and to repair a water conveyance aqueduct to bring potable water from Angat Dam to Metro Manila. Japanese aid, through the Japan Bank for International Co-operation (JBIC), has completed building of a new airport at Silay City, big enough to accommodate airbuses. A four km access road is being built, and officials say the airport will open at end of 2007.

Likewise, Clark Airport is expanding, with a new terminal. The boom in budget travel has forced the flag carrier, Philippine Airlines, and a new budget upstart, Cebu Pacific, to announce that both want to use Clark as their next hub. In shipbuilding, the Philippines received a major boost when Hanjin Heavy Industries and Construction Co Ltd. announced this year an additional US$684 million investment to US$1 billion previously committed to its shipyard at Subic. It has signed a 50-year lease for 230- hectares of land. Hanjin is building container vessels at Subic, and its investment will transform Subic into one of the four largest shipbuilding facilities in the world.

Operations at Subic's new container terminal were won in June 2007 by a local international operator, International Container Terminals and Services Inc (ICTSI). The terminal was funded by JBIC for US$215 million. ICTSI is also competing with Asian Terminals Inc to win Batangas Port Terminal 2.

Momentum in infrastructure development is also seen to have awakened the ill-starred Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3, which has been comatose for five years. Unable to open because the Government rescinded the contract over corruption claims, it remains a symbol of the Government's inability to clean up graft in massive projects.

In July, President Arroyo herself announced that the Government had recalled its termination notice to the Japanese contractor (in a dispute over costs) with the latter agreeing to complete the project by the end of 2007. The recall seems to reflect a sense of urgency on the part of the Government (and Arroyo in particular) to get infrastructure projects moving.

This explains the confidence of NEDA officials that it is all systems go for big projects. As Reinoso reiterated to ATI: "The years 2008-2009 will be banner years. We have opportunities now and up to 2009." But don't count on 2010, he cautions, because that will be the next Presidential election year - and all important infrastructure projects will come to a halt to accommodate the Filipino's penchant for politicking.

Analysis - Philippines Pushes Ahead With Infrastructure Plans
(Analysis from Asia Today International, Australia's regional business magazine. Contact: asiatoday(at)asiatoday.com.au)

MANILA, Aug 20 Asia Pulse - The years 2008-2009 will be "banner years" for Philippine infrastructure. With the May Congressional elections over and the 2007 Budget passed (although late), construction of delayed roads, ports, airports and rail networks has resumed at a frenzied pace.

"The feedback we're receiving from implementing agencies is that they are all on schedule," says Ruben Reinoso Jr., Assistant Director- General at the Cabinet planning body, the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA). "2008 will be better than 2007," he adds, "because the momentum has started, and we'll have no repeat of the impasse (of the 2007 Budget being delayed in Congress)."

Optimism is high, despite a looming hiccup - tax collection for the first half of 2007 has fallen drastically short (the Chief Tax Collector has been fired as a result) and may derail allocation of funds for infrastructure. But Finance Secretary Margarito Teves indicated the Government will close the Budget shortfall by enhancing tax collection while it prepares to sell off assets it holds in moneymakers San Miguel Corporation and Manila Electric Company.

The Government has made clear that it intends to maintain the pace of infrastructure development to lure foreign investment. This was the theme when President Gloria Arroyo opened the new Congress on July 23. In a reiteration of her 2006 State-of-the-Nation address, she outlined her goals to make infrastructure development a pillar of growth. Her Government has allocated four to five per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) for infrastructure from 2007 onwards, double the amount of previous years. With another three years to the end of her term in 2010, Arroyo has been of late talking of her legacy in terms of tangible economic growth.

On schedule, therefore, according to NEDA officials, are key roads, railways and ports to link up different regions of the archipelago and serve economic growth areas Arroyo has identified. Definitely on the go is a 82-km tollway linking Subic Freeport to Clark Freeport. Reinoso expresses confidence that this project will start the moment the contract is awarded (before the end of 2007), and that it should be completed by March 2008. The Government is attaching great importance to this flagship project as the two freeports are primed to be Luzon Island's growth areas for foreign investors.

The Government is also emphasising two rail lines to link Manila to northern Luzon and southeast Luzon in the Bicol region. The North Rail and the South Rail are the subject of serious contention between rival Chinese and South Korean financiers. The Chinese have been awarded the first part of the North Rail, a 33-km stretch from Caloocan (north of Manila) to Malolos in Bulacan province.

And the Chinese are committed - but have not yet signed - a contract to build the second phase, from Malolos to Clark Freeport, 80 km north. But the Korean Economic Development Corp Fund (KEDCF), South Korea's aid agency, is already building a line to link the South Rail to the North Rail, between Caloocan and Alabang, south of Manila. KEDCF has started engineering studies to build the next link from Alabang to Calamba town, a distance of 60 km.

The Chinese have offered to build the next 500 km, from Calamba to Lucena and all the way to Lagaspi City in southeast Luzon, then to build a new line from Legaspi City to Sorsogon.

Recent infrastructure projects have been demand-driven by foreign investors, mainly the Chinese and Koreans, at concessionary terms. Chinese interest was strongly reflected in a surprise June 21 Executive Order by President Arroyo designating a Philippine navy reserve and naval base at Sangley Point, on the southern tip of Cavite, and at the mouth of Manila Bay, as an international logistics hub.

To the surprise of NEDA officials, who said they had not received any proposals for evaluation, the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) announced that it was eyeing Sangley Point as a cargo hub. COSCO wants to reclaim land to construct an airport, port and yards for shipbuilding and cargo handling at a cost of US$3 billion, says Francis Chua, who is Arroyo's special envoy tapping trade and investment from China. If it is not Sangley Point, Chua reiterates, it will be some other port in Luzon.

Chinese hunger for logistics infrastructure has gone over to airports as well. Teams of Chinese officials have inspected and expressed interest in re-developing Laoag airport in the north, which at the moment receives charter flights from Taiwan and Hong Kong. The Chinese have also expressed interest in Puerto Princessa airport, in Palawan's capital. The Koreans are not too far behind. They are already building an airport at Busuanga island, in north Palawan, where Korean tourism interests in hotels and golf courses are sprouting up.

Chinese officials have offered - and NEDA officials say they have accepted in principle - investments to build water supply infrastructure, in particular Liban Dam, and to repair a water conveyance aqueduct to bring potable water from Angat Dam to Metro Manila. Japanese aid, through the Japan Bank for International Co-operation (JBIC), has completed building of a new airport at Silay City, big enough to accommodate airbuses. A four km access road is being built, and officials say the airport will open at end of 2007.

Likewise, Clark Airport is expanding, with a new terminal. The boom in budget travel has forced the flag carrier, Philippine Airlines, and a new budget upstart, Cebu Pacific, to announce that both want to use Clark as their next hub. In shipbuilding, the Philippines received a major boost when Hanjin Heavy Industries and Construction Co Ltd. announced this year an additional US$684 million investment to US$1 billion previously committed to its shipyard at Subic. It has signed a 50-year lease for 230- hectares of land. Hanjin is building container vessels at Subic, and its investment will transform Subic into one of the four largest shipbuilding facilities in the world.

Operations at Subic's new container terminal were won in June 2007 by a local international operator, International Container Terminals and Services Inc (ICTSI). The terminal was funded by JBIC for US$215 million. ICTSI is also competing with Asian Terminals Inc to win Batangas Port Terminal 2.

Momentum in infrastructure development is also seen to have awakened the ill-starred Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3, which has been comatose for five years. Unable to open because the Government rescinded the contract over corruption claims, it remains a symbol of the Government's inability to clean up graft in massive projects.

In July, President Arroyo herself announced that the Government had recalled its termination notice to the Japanese contractor (in a dispute over costs) with the latter agreeing to complete the project by the end of 2007. The recall seems to reflect a sense of urgency on the part of the Government (and Arroyo in particular) to get infrastructure projects moving.

This explains the confidence of NEDA officials that it is all systems go for big projects. As Reinoso reiterated to ATI: "The years 2008-2009 will be banner years. We have opportunities now and up to 2009." But don't count on 2010, he cautions, because that will be the next Presidential election year - and all important infrastructure projects will come to a halt to accommodate the Filipino's penchant for politicking.

^^ WOW! Nice Information.... Thank you Lucentino...

^^ BTW, pag nawala mga iskwater sure maghahabolan na ang mga investors. Remember nag back out Japanese dahil turned off cila sa government for not doing initiatives to removed railway shanties. But now, things are coming back clearly to government serious concern to this matter... Its very clear that the ROW is being cleared now and infact its complete already for NorthRail 1. So sure we will won the selection.... Relax tayo muna.. Sa susunod, tayo naman ang bida...

When you visit that area again, be careful... or your celphone might be snatched... :nuts:

yeah i knw, but i'm much smarter than them...haha.. they will make a move , i wll knw already.. i'm a cautious person,hahaha

bilis nmn ng thread dto, mmaya northrail southrail 4 na,wakokok!:nuts: :nuts: :lol: :lol:

^^ This is thread is so nice that sometimes I forgot to do my suppose to be important things.... He he he he....:lol: I just keep on logging to SSC and sometimes my SSC Hours is greater than my scheduled task and not only that were even obliged to take some photos, researches and interviews just to have some photos and infos to share to our beloved SSC fans... Ha ha ha.... :lol: What can we do, were simply happy here... That's alll....:banana: IM HAPPY!!!:)

^^ @ Richard24....

Hi Richard,

Wala ba tayong update dyan sa may PUP? I hope sana magstart na demolish ang southrail going North from PUP. Thanks....

WoS

ei wheel of steel update to from last week..i went there.

area around teresa and anonas st and PUP

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe1-embed
from teresa st.

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe2-embed
pup entry point

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe3-embed
anonas st. on the other side...


they're now clearing the debris.,

^^ Nice info Richard... Thank you so much... Konti tiis na lang, lalarga na ang Southrail....

I'm curious, what trains are they going to use? Will they be similar to the HK KCR or commuter rails found in Japan or Europe?

@Lucentino - inspiring article.. hopefully its not all talk.. 2008 is just around the corner..

I'm curious, what trains are they going to use? Will they be similar to the HK KCR or commuter rails found in Japan or Europe?

^^ It would be much much similar to JR commuter rails, except that it is a DMU. Diesel Multiple Units are commonly used in Thailand. Our DMU Trains would be much modern than those in Thailand since it is also designed to operate as EMU (Electric Multiple Units). DMU is more practical to us since we still have expensive electricity. Our railway system also is a heavy railways so expect that not only passenger trains that will use the line. There will also be a freight service in which a large percentage of its income will came from.

the pic i think is not of paco...but pandacan.....coz paco station is a lot bigger and medyo neo-classical ata ang archi nun...ito parang barangay outpost...

Yes, I know the pic is of Pandacan. Did I say that the picture is Paco? I don think so. And I did mention in my post clearly about Paco station being demolished before and now the ruins are being beautified, meaning I know what I'm saying.

^^ The Northrail and Southrail constructions will be done simultaneous to all stations thats probably the reason why the contractors want to finishes it all the relocation until the NHA completes the relocation of all squatters from Caloocan to Tutuban and from Tutuban to Alabang. The shotdown of PNR operation will enable them to move faster....

^^ The Pandacan Station is situated underneath the Pandacan-Sta. Mesa Viaduct while the Paco Station is situated near to the Old Paco Railway Station...

^^ I hope there would be no more political mentalities among Filipinos. The article recently posted here shows that in 2010, all of the projects might encounter a halt because there will be an election. I hope this election would not affect our ongoing big ticket projects....

anung twag sa english ung parang guard house sa every corner ng street crossing tpos binababa ung lever? tska ano tawag sa mga karatula ng station?

anung twag sa english ung parang guard house sa every corner ng street crossing tpos binababa ung lever? tska ano tawag sa mga karatula ng station?

^^ Ung sa lever, FLAGSTOP. Ung sa parang Guard House, nakalimutan ko kasi modern na ngaun mga crossings and there is no more of that. Fully automatic na kasi ang ilalagay.. Warning Sign...pwede rin sa karatula.....

@ Nathan....

^^ Does your research implies the protective means use by railways to avert trains from colliding with each others?

easy...the country that had the railroad first...is the definitely...the one who thought of the skates.....yup that is what they call them...i rode in one during my trips to quezon...



i don't think that is worth preserving....the one in paco is worth preserving that one needs the wrecking ball.....

These sleds were not around at the commencement of railway operations in the Philippines or Cambodia, so one could no more measure firsts on that basis than one could measure the first motorbike by the first country to have a tarred road.

Why is Panacan less worthy of preservation as a 'likely' unique piece of architecture? While many structures are not as magestic as the Paco one, magesty alone is not grounds for clasification of historical importance.
I think you are letting personal feelings interfere.

Brad

^^ Good Morning Railroaders:)

Im currently hearing an interview in the radio from NEDA authorities here in Bicol about the Presidents top priority projects in Bicol. There saying that Southrail to Bicol is their one of the top 3 projects to be prioritize during the term of PGMA. Alongside was the Alobo International Airport Project and Bicol Power Restoration Projects.....:okay:

Great stuff.
The President should try to get all funding and utilize every available worker to push it through in her term. The more done now the better, her successor isn't likely to close down a brand new railway.
:)

Brad

It's sad how the beautiful Paco station had been demolished only to preserve and beautify the ruins. Notice that what's left of the façade always gets a fresh coat of paint. It should not have been demolished in the first place.



Your right. It is funny that they have enough respect for it to keep painting the ruins but not enough to have kept it all.
Another historic tragedy happeing at the moment is steam locomotive #17 which was preserved at Tutuban but a few years ago was moved to Dagupan.
The local authorities did a huge speel about how important the loco is and how they plan to treat it with respect and look after it.
Recent shots show a loco sitting in the open with a disgusting rust laden appearance. I would hate to think what their idea of not looking after it would be.
Our planned Philippine Railway Historical Society wish conduct a study into the three surviving MRR steamers to see which would be the most feasible for restoring to service as a long term project.

Brad

^^ Actually they will lay a temporary track to be use for transportation of materials especially the sand and gravels. I may not be sure about this but they have to build a temporary bridges also to do this. The old railroad was already completely removed and that the roadbed in Caloocan, Valenzuela and Malabon are already cleared and ready for temporary track installation.

Now days it is more usual for the works trains to travel over the newly laid permanent track.
Machines lay sleepers and then place the rails on top. Train follows up behind with ballast train and spreader.
Then more machines come through and do the final preparation.
By rights there should be no need for any temporary track in the lines construction.
However this does not mean it won't happen, although not to cost effective they may use that method for some reason.

Brad

hi brad, can i use this pic as a part of my image mapping in my project thesis in school?


Sure thing mate, yes go for it.

Brad

^^ Hi Nathan, just imagine measuring at least 2ft from the Paco Lake water elevation and you get the permanent grade of Southrail. So expect a bumpy railroad crossing ride.. he he he.... JOKE!!!:nuts:

Perhaps this section could just rest on pontoons :lol:

ei wheel of steel update to from last week..i went there.

http://file.uploadr.com/ffe1-embed
from teresa st.

Looks like the steering wheel of a ship. Is this to negotiate Lake Paco :lol:


is tutuban terminal really designed by gustave eiffel??.... hmmmmm i doubt it..


Probably a stipuid question but who was Gustave Eiffel?

Regards
Brad

^^ This is thread is so nice that sometimes I forgot to do my suppose to be important things.... He he he he....:lol: I just keep on logging to SSC and sometimes my SSC Hours is greater than my scheduled task and not only that were even obliged to take some photos, researches and interviews just to have some photos and infos to share to our beloved SSC fans... Ha ha ha.... :lol: What can we do, were simply happy here... That's alll....:banana: IM HAPPY!!!:)

:lol:
WoS I know what your saying. I always look forward to getting home from work to check this forum. My emails/e-zine/website always take second place nowdays.
LOng live the Northrail-Southrail thread.

Brad

@ Nathan....

^^ Does your research implies the protective means use by railways to avert trains from colliding with each others?

This begs the question of safeworking for the new lines. Has anybody read what form this safeworking will take?

Brad

Looks like the steering wheel of a ship. Is this to negotiate Lake Paco :lol:



Probably a stipuid question but who was Gustave Eiffel?

Regards
Brad


Correct me if I'm wrong, but i think Gustave Eiffel was the one who designed or built the Eiffel Tower in Paris? :)

Hope this helps.

:cheers:
Larry

^^ yes., and he also designed the quezon bridge., and the san sebastian church., both in manila., :)

edit: oops., he didnt design the quezon bridge pala.., sorry., :)

wow ganun b tlaga tau ka astig nun? mga eiffel at burnham ang city planners! sayang talaga. :cheers:

Yes chocolato, Burnham was a prominent player in the crafting of Manila. I grew up in Chicago and whenever i go through roxas avenue, i always feel like im in lakeshore drive. Even the museums around luneta and intramuros reminds me of the museum campus in Chicago. Although the area around intramuros and luneta are very different from the museum campus, their purposes are the same; to educate and entertain a public that needs to be proud of its history and its people.

this thread is really nice. more trivia please? :D hehe!

Great stuff.
The President should try to get all funding and utilize every available worker to push it through in her term. The more done now the better, her successor isn't likely to close down a brand new railway.
:)

Brad

^^ Yup!!! That's right, if ever there is a consistency and assurance that the completion of those projects beyond the Pres. term, it should be done and initiated now.... And also I agree that whoever successor of the President, I will assume that he/she should be even more concern of the current and future railway projects.... We have a better chance of railway boom if Noli Boy will be the one..... :banana:

^^ BTW, our Linkage trains once operational will have an express and ordinary services. Ordinary trains are trains used to stop in most stations. The express trains has a limited stop on several stations so providing a speedy travel for those who are in a hurry. Let say an Ordinary Train leaving Calamba to Caloocan would have to stop at all stations to pick up passengers. The Express Train on the other hand that will leave Calamba would have a limited stops, say Alabang and Buendia only. In this way, passengers will enable to travel faster. With regards to passengers in a station bypassed that still wish to ride on Express Train can still manage to take the Express Train. Let say from San Pedro Station, the passenger will take the Ordinary Train to Alabang and wait there for the Express Train to arrive.

This service are not currently available in our LRT due to the fact that the LRT stations doesn't have sidings and bypass tracks thus disabling the oppurtunity of a faster train to overtake a slower train... So let us all be happy that the PNR is back......:banana:

wow ganun b tlaga tau ka astig nun? mga eiffel at burnham ang city planners! sayang talaga. :cheers:

^^ Sayang nga tlaga!!! So now we know the important historical events, kailangan natin ipreserve and mga yan. Because we can use it in our tourism promotions....:)

this thread is really nice. more trivia please? :D hehe!

^^ Yup!!! It's 100% nice, because galing sa puso ang mga reply dito... NYAKKK!!!!:lol:

Great stuff.
The President should try to get all funding and utilize every available worker to push it through in her term. The more done now the better, her successor isn't likely to close down a brand new railway.
:)

Brad

^^ And also the President will also be looking for a candidate that will support her desires to implement infrastructures like what she's doing now. And also infrastructure spending causes our GDP to rise. So the next President should be able to pour a large amount of projects in the budget especially in the railway sector to be able to support the growing economy...

bilis nmn ng thread dto, mmaya northrail southrail 4 na,wakokok!:nuts: :nuts: :lol: :lol:

Mabuti sana kung kasing bilis ng thread na ito yung development nung project na pinag-uusapan dito.

Mabuti sana kung kasing bilis ng thread na ito yung development nung project na pinag-uusapan dito.

^^ Ayun nga!!! Umpisa pa lang mabilis na.... mas lalo na kaya pag natapos na....:lol:

^^ Perhaps if all the squatters are gone, we can have it move faster. I picture the project as easy as 123. The payment of $14m by the government signifies already the pre fabrication of the modular section to be shipped here piece by piece. In other words, we don't have to worry about the further delays. The Koreans already assured that they can finished the job by June - September. There's only 1 bridge that matters in the Linkage 1, so everything would be just landscaping and enbankment.... :)

^^ Google picture of FTI area in Taguig. I think the portion enclosed by the yellow line will be the site of the Philippines largest and most modern railway station. Anyone who knows where would exactly the central station be constructed in the FTI area?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1123/1228675709_cefc5a199a_o.jpg

^^ I can't wait for PNR to release the renders for the stations!

^^ I can't wait for PNR to release the renders for the stations!

^^ ha ha ha... Youre not alone... How about those SSC's posting already back in April 5, 2004.. :lol: Ako nga rin, atat na atat na!... Minsan ako'y nagiicip at nagpapantasya.. :lol: But for sure, medyo simple lang ang station, as usual there will be 4 tracks (On the station only but onwards narrows down to 2 tracks), 2 tracks for mainline and 2 tracks for sidings (diversion). I been to some major constructions also but I really coud not arrive into "bongacious" station with a budget of $50M.... Hirap eh!!! :nuts:

^^ ha ha ha... Youre not alone... How about those SSC's posting already back in April 5, 2004.. :lol: Ako nga rin, atat na atat na!... Minsan ako'y nagiicip at nagpapantasya.. :lol: But for sure, medyo simple lang ang station, as usual there will be 4 tracks (On the station only but onwards narrows down to 2 tracks), 2 tracks for mainline and 2 tracks for sidings (diversion). I been to some major constructions also but I really coud not arrive into "bongacious" station with a budget of $50M.... Hirap eh!!! :nuts:

It would be fine if they were similar to the train stations in Malaysia and Thailand. But if they were like the Taiwan High Speed Train stations, I would be in heaven. :D

^^ ha ha ha!!! Is it because of the speed of the Taiwan HSR that gets you in heaven? :lol: I suspect the Linkage would have a similar stations to those in Thailand and Malaysia. However, The Northrail is by far will have an even modern and unique stations. This is gonna be the showcase of the Chinese in the ASEAN once it is completed... :banana:

easy...the country that had the railroad first...is the definitely...the one who thought of the skates.....yup that is what they call them...i rode in one during my trips to quezon...



Have been researching into this and have found that they also run in both Indonesia and Chile.
Would mke an interesting comparison.

Brad

^^ Possible alignment of the 3.7km Valenzuela Viaduct highlighted by the yellow thick line encompasing Mc Arthur Highway (red line), The Tullahan River (green line) and several depressed and road sections....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1329/1229140599_7217ca1a5e_o.jpg

^^ One more and were on to 17...

^^ One of my friend from NHA happen to pass by here in our shop. He said that they are already conducting a census of the railway squatters in the whole of Naga City. We'll again this is a very good news and gives a very good indication that the Southrail is already in its initial stage for the Bicol Run. Infact most of the local government here in Albay already had measures to reduce those houses being built along the PNR tracks. Instead, they build roads that runs parallel along the single track thus avoiding those people from building homes near the railroad. Here in Albay, I havent heard a news yet from NHA friends about the census to be conducted here. As far as I am concern, census being conducted in Naga City is already enough to justify the goal of the government to provide housing for the squatters and also paving way for the modernization of Southrail....

^^ Typical Railroad Crossing in Japan can also be designed in Southrail....

http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~ainuzuka/nichibei/groupc/E21JN.jpg

^^ :banana: :banana: World's First Hybrid Train:banana: :banana: ^^


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1192/1226063935_a81693a089_o.jpg

^^ :banana: :banana: World's First Hybrid Train:banana: :banana: ^^


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1192/1226063935_a81693a089_o.jpg

^^ See the masterpiece guys....hmmm!!! Our DMU could possibly as clean as this one.:cheers: It's a narrow guage similar to us... Some says this is one of the most notable innovations in railway history....

Sure thing mate, yes go for it.

Brad

tnx brad..:)

btw guys im curious about dmu? wat is that?... is that the same as the pnr locos today?.. the one with a diesel engine and has black smoke coming on top?... someone said to me that in the 70's there are trains that are used in the pnr commuter line that can move backwards and forwards, with two drivers cabin one at the back and on the front, like the one in lrt and mrt? is that true... smeone can clarify? tnx

^^ See the masterpiece guys....hmmm!!! Our DMU could possibly as clean as this one.:cheers: It's a narrow guage similar to us... Some says this is one of the most notable innovations in railway history....

nice trains, i love it.. i love high tech machines hehe, japanese are very modernistic and high tech savyy

^^ One of my friend from NHA happen to pass by here in our shop. He said that they are already conducting a census of the railway squatters in the whole of Naga City. We'll again this is a very good news and gives a very good indication that the Southrail is already in its initial stage for the Bicol Run. Infact most of the local government here in Albay already had measures to reduce those houses being built along the PNR tracks. Instead, they build roads that runs parallel along the single track thus avoiding those people from building homes near the railroad. Here in Albay, I havent heard a news yet from NHA friends about the census to be conducted here. As far as I am concern, census being conducted in Naga City is already enough to justify the goal of the government to provide housing for the squatters and also paving way for the modernization of Southrail....

im thinking of one day if these train projects will be finished i can easily visit mt. mayon, or other places in bicol, i love to travel, i want to see different sites there.. hehe, especially the feeling of travelling up to sorsogon..
Since i chose pnr as my thesis, i began to loved it, i have ride it for 10x already since june.harhar
even if ,lets say "its dirty" but the experience is something that i can cherish and keep in mind until i grow old.. =)

nice trains, i love it.. i love high tech machines hehe, japanese are very modernistic and high tech savyy

^^ ha ha ha!!!:lol: I've been there Nathan....in Japan. Very very very nice trains... Infact tama ung decision ng Philippine government to acquire second hand Jap Trains... Ok po ito? Promise...

Mabuti sana kung kasing bilis ng thread na ito yung development nung project na pinag-uusapan dito.

oo nga, anyway, all we have to do is to wait nlng for the project to be finish, and support other projects in the future that will bring good into our city and country.:cheers:

^^ ha ha ha!!!:lol: I've been there Nathan....in Japan. Very very very nice trains... Infact tama ung decision ng Philippine government to acquire second hand Jap Trains... Ok po ito? Promise...

waaa second hand nnman, hay.. lage nlng second hand galing hapon b?
bagsakan na tau ng 2nd hand galing japan ah

-cell phone
-public bus
-tv
-computer
-train

ano pb??

i wish i could go there sa japan and other countries pgngaka work nko, at makagraduate muna ako,hahaha..

i want to visit japan especially mga modern technologies and architecture nila doon..
tpos sa europe dn...and britain..ride all the trains, visit stations and meet girls hahaha
hahaha(only in dreams) pangarap eh!...=p

Yes chocolato, Burnham was a prominent player in the crafting of Manila. I grew up in Chicago and whenever i go through roxas avenue, i always feel like im in lakeshore drive. Even the museums around luneta and intramuros reminds me of the museum campus in Chicago. Although the area around intramuros and luneta are very different from the museum campus, their purposes are the same; to educate and entertain a public that needs to be proud of its history and its people.

balak dti ni daniel burnham na gayahin sa luneta area ang the mall ng washington dc.. symetrical at may center landmark nodes... parang white house - lincoln memorial- washington monument at capitol

sna natuloy nlng lahat ng plano ni daniel burnham on many parts in manila, maayos sna tyo ngaun. sbi ng prof ko dti dw maddami daw rotonda dito sa manila and other parts of the metro polis but since dumami mga sskyan pinalitan na ito ng mga flyover na pangit sa paningin...

http://file.uploadr.com/1002b-embed

^^ Google picture of FTI area in Taguig. I think the portion enclosed by the yellow line will be the site of the Philippines largest and most modern railway station. Anyone who knows where would exactly the central station be constructed in the FTI area?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1123/1228675709_cefc5a199a_o.jpg

Pnr compound to sa fti, taguig city

The best preserved station for me would be the Tutuban Station which now stands as the entryway to the Tutuban Centermall I and II. BTW, is it true that parts of the station or the station itself was designed by Gustave Eiffel?

ei brad, this is the one who first ask if the old tutuban station was designed by eiffel.. the one who designed the san sebastian church in manila and the eiffel tower in paris.., sbi nila sya din daw ngdesign ng quezon brindge going to quiapo from lawton.

^^ Yup!!! That's right, if ever there is a consistency and assurance that the completion of those projects beyond the Pres. term, it should be done and initiated now.... And also I agree that whoever successor of the President, I will assume that he/she should be even more concern of the current and future railway projects.... We have a better chance of railway boom if Noli Boy will be the one..... :banana:

Yes.
I was just reading an article about Noli de Castro and he seems to be one of those very rare politicians there who put country first.
Its sad that a campain has been launched to smear him, but at the same time it is great that it appears to be backfiring with it causing his popularity to soar.
Lets all hope that his popularity grows, he continue to avoid the political bollocks and gets the chance to continue the advancement of the Philippines.

Brad

^^ Google picture of FTI area in Taguig. I think the portion enclosed by the yellow line will be the site of the Philippines largest and most modern railway station. Anyone who knows where would exactly the central station be constructed in the FTI area?


Hi WoS,
I am wonderig why they are creating their largest station at FTI? You would think this would be reserved for Tutuban.
Does this mean they will be centreing all operations at FTI and running services from there? That would not bode to well for the line into Tayuman and Tutuban.

I suspect the area is that where some street directories show a railway going off into, what they call, a PNR compound.

Can you give any more information regarding their planned usage of this station?

Salamat
Brad

^^ Typical Railroad Crossing in Japan can also be designed in Southrail....

http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~ainuzuka/nichibei/groupc/E21JN.jpg

Those booms are amazingly thin, certainly not as scary as our huge metal roof crushers :lol:
I notice in the Phils most motorists are not to fearful of a boom hitting the top of their cars. Perhaps it is time for huge heavy ones in an effort to force driver re-educatation.

Brad

btw guys im curious about dmu? wat is that?... is that the same as the pnr locos today?.. the one with a diesel engine and has black smoke coming on top?... someone said to me that in the 70's there are trains that are used in the pnr commuter line that can move backwards and forwards, with two drivers cabin one at the back and on the front, like the one in lrt and mrt? is that true... smeone can clarify? tnx


Hi mate,
A DMU (diesel multiple unit) is basically self propelled carriages that can operate as one unit, or as many put together. The electric version is an EMU (lot to be confused with the large flightless bird)
http://www.uwm.edu/People/lnaunapp/emu.jpg
The PNR locomotives are actually the only powered source and haul carriages that cannot propel themselves.
However most Philippine rollingstock originally was self propelled and the CMC/CTC (see my website) were used as motor and trailor cars in the Philippines, this usage, for passenger carriage, seeming to end at the start of this decade. So they did get well beyond the 70s.
For remaining operational examples check out IC-888 at Caloocan and CMC-201 which is likely at Tayuman still. Both require traction motor repairs at the moment but are the last actual DMUs that could easily be got going.
IC-888 is believed to be the old PNR bullet train.
They can be likened, as you say, to the MRT/LRT in their operation. They are also more suited to metro haulage, being cheaper to run and faster to reverse. Locomotives like these are best suited to freight and track work type duties.
Black smoke can spew from any unmaintained diesel locomotive, even the newest ones can send up an impressive cloud. However newer diesels are usually far less likely to send up these wonderfully photographic, but environmentally unfriendly, plumbs.

I hope this helps.
Brad

im thinking of one day if these train projects will be finished i can easily visit mt. mayon, or other places in bicol, i love to travel, i want to see different sites there.. hehe, especially the feeling of travelling up to sorsogon..
Since i chose pnr as my thesis, i began to loved it, i have ride it for 10x already since june.harhar
even if ,lets say "its dirty" but the experience is something that i can cherish and keep in mind until i grow old.. =)

I could only wish that it would be done before my next trip to Legaspi. This is however looking more likely to be 2009 now, so I can't see it being ready by then. Wont do it in the bus again :lol:

Thanks for sharing how you got interested in the PNR, it would be very interesting to hear how others have also found their interest in it.
Yes, being able to travel it before it goes will be someting to remember forever. Its a huge change in Philippine history and many thousands of railfans around the world will likely live to regret not taking the opportunity to experience it how it was.
One railfan once told me that he dosen't wish to use it until its modernised. Sadly by then it will be an experience like railways everywhere, riding the PNR now is an adventure and exciting.

Brad

ei brad, this is the one who first ask if the old tutuban station was designed by eiffel.. the one who designed the san sebastian church in manila and the eiffel tower in paris.., sbi nila sya din daw ngdesign ng quezon brindge going to quiapo from lawton.

Thanks for that. Love Philippine history.
I thought he may have been behind the Eiffel tower given he shares the famous name.

Thanks
again
Brad

balak dti ni daniel burnham na gayahin sa luneta area ang the mall ng washington dc.. symetrical at may center landmark nodes... parang white house - lincoln memorial- washington monument at capitol

sna natuloy nlng lahat ng plano ni daniel burnham on many parts in manila, maayos sna tyo ngaun. sbi ng prof ko dti dw maddami daw rotonda dito sa manila and other parts of the metro polis but since dumami mga sskyan pinalitan na ito ng mga flyover na pangit sa paningin...

http://file.uploadr.com/1002b-embed

^^ Oh my goodness!!! This is so ok.. where did you get this... Look at this the Philippines was very much progressive before. See the structure of the city. Only rich countries before had this beautiful city planning and layout...

Hi mate,
A DMU (diesel multiple unit) is basically self propelled carriages that can operate as one unit, or as many put together. The electric version is an EMU (lot to be confused with the large flightless bird)
http://www.uwm.edu/People/lnaunapp/emu.jpg
The PNR locomotives are actually the only powered source and haul carriages that cannot propel themselves.
However most Philippine rollingstock originally was self propelled and the CMC/CTC (see my website) were used as motor and trailor cars in the Philippines, this usage, for passenger carriage, seeming to end at the start of this decade. So they did get well beyond the 70s.
For remaining operational examples check out IC-888 at Caloocan and CMC-201 which is likely at Tayuman still. Both require traction motor repairs at the moment but are the last actual DMUs that could easily be got going.
IC-888 is believed to be the old PNR bullet train.
They can be likened, as you say, to the MRT/LRT in their operation. They are also more suited to metro haulage, being cheaper to run and faster to reverse. Locomotives like these are best suited to freight and track work type duties.
Black smoke can spew from any unmaintained diesel locomotive, even the newest ones can send up an impressive cloud. However newer diesels are usually far less likely to send up these wonderfully photographic, but environmentally unfriendly, plumbs.

I hope this helps.
Brad


^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: GOOD MORNING MR. BULLIEEE:lol: :lol: :lol:

^^ He appears to be interested also in the project! :lol:

Yes.
I was just reading an article about Noli de Castro and he seems to be one of those very rare politicians there who put country first.
Its sad that a campain has been launched to smear him, but at the same time it is great that it appears to be backfiring with it causing his popularity to soar.
Lets all hope that his popularity grows, he continue to avoid the political bollocks and gets the chance to continue the advancement of the Philippines.

Brad

Brad,

^^ Yes! Im in also... We have to support him and of course the President. We have not to waste this oppurtunity. If we cannot directly help them, participating in this forum and the PHRS through giving ideas and suggestions is already a big boost to them. Who knows, somebody from their office is currently monitoring this forum, eventually everyone of them will be inspired to work hard. We must always be positive in order to make this whole impossibility into a big reality and a will to change the percepcions of many that railways is the most reliable land transportation for all the massess. And again in order to do it right, every one must protect the interest of all. Technology and help are coming from abroad so we must also love and protect the interest of our investors and tourist.

Lastly, thank you MR. PEADON! for making the PRHS and for your concern for the Filipino People. All I can say is that "YOU'RE EVEN MORE FILIPINO NOW THAN US AND BEFORE!"

WoS

^^ :banana: :banana: World's First Hybrid Train:banana: :banana: ^^


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1192/1226063935_a81693a089_o.jpg

^^ You will notice this train guys that it doesn't have anymore visible cable under the car. Many older cars have so many cables and that poses greaster risks of physical damage.

Those booms are amazingly thin, certainly not as scary as our huge metal roof crushers :lol:
I notice in the Phils most motorists are not to fearful of a boom hitting the top of their cars. Perhaps it is time for huge heavy ones in an effort to force driver re-educatation.

Brad

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, it's time to exterminate every vehicles that will be caugt between booms.

Brad,



Lastly, thank you MR. PEADON! for making the PRHS and for your concern for the Filipino People. All I can say is that "YOU'RE EVEN MORE FILIPINO NOW THAN US AND BEFORE!"

WoS

Its my pleasure, I love doing it and it all gives me a feeling of being able to give me something back to the country I love so much.
Heres hoping together we can work towards reserecting the railways of the Philippines, and its history, to its rightful place.

Brad

BTW: JUst call me Brad, Mr Peadon be way to formal and I like to think we are all friends here.

Its my pleasure, I love doing it and it all gives me a feeling of being able to give me something back to the country I love so much.
Heres hoping together we can work towards reserecting the railways of the Philippines, and its history, to its rightful place.

Brad

BTW: JUst call me Brad, Mr Peadon be way to formal and I like to think we are all friends here.

Ok Brad!!!

Ah! BTW, very good news to everyone, I've heard from local radio about Autralia hiring some 20000 Filipino workers for their construction boom... We'll that's awesome... I mean that's definitely really really awesome...

Ok Brad!!!

Ah! BTW, very good news to everyone, I've heard from local radio about Autralia hiring some 20000 Filipino workers for their construction boom... We'll that's awesome... I mean that's definitely really really awesome...

Yes, we are after heaps of people down here. Engineers, metal workers, nurses and other qualified proffesionals. I want to get some of my nieces here but none of them have the qualifications that are needed, although one will be a nurse in two years.
Better make more room at my karaoki and Tanduay nights to cope with all the new attendees :lol: :cheers:

Brad

^^ Gin + Tanduay Rhum + Pomelo Juice Perfect Combination!!!:lol:

Since we have been sharing some photos of passenger trains around the world I thought I would share this one I had developed recently.

Took this in Fiji last year.

http://au.geocities.com/locoshed_australasia/Rakiraki_PassengerTrain.jpg

Since we have been sharing some photos of passenger trains around the world I thought I would share this one I had developed recently.

Took this in Fiji last year.

http://au.geocities.com/locoshed_australasia/Rakiraki_PassengerTrain.jpg

^^ BRAVO!!! Ang galing, do they own the railtracks? Wow! superb ingenuity.. I think this is a private line.

^^ Possible Malolos Northrail Viaduct Alignment highlighted by the yellow thick line running in parrallel with the NLEX Access Road highlighted by the red thin line. The length of the viaduct is approximately 1.7km....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1137/1238339564_656e857b2f_o.jpg

last saturday my clasm8 told me that he passes the crossing in espana and see that portions of the houses along the rails in espana crossing and pnr espana are starting to demolish. Yey..

squatters along fti is still in the area. only near fti station that squatters are gone.. i hope bicutan station is the next..

RP, China sign $1.8-B loan
By Paolo Romero
Monday, August 27, 2007
PhilStar
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Headlines&p=49&type=2&sec=24&aid=20070826135

The Philippines and China have inked a $1.8-billion loan agreement to finance big-ticket projects in the country, including the controversial $330-million National Broadband Network (NBN), officials said yesterday.Trade Secretary Peter Favila said the signing took place without fanfare on the sidelines of the ASEAN Economic Ministers (AEM) meeting held at the Shangri-La Hotel in Makati City on Saturday.

Favila said the agreement was signed by Department of Finance (DOF) officials and representatives of the China Export and Import Bank.

He said he represented the Philippine government together with Finance Secretary Margarito Teves and Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza in the signing with Chinese Minister of Commerce Bo Xilai who attended the AEM.

Favila said the loan facility was higher than expected and during his bilateral meeting with Bo at the AEM, the Chinese official indicated that the Philippines could expect more if warranted.

“This loan facility is a clear manifestation of China’s commitment to help us. Now it is up to us if we want to be helped,” Favila told The STAR.

Favila stressed the main architect of the package was the DOF.

Favila was designated minister-in-charge or the government’s point man for business in China with Bo as his counterpart for ease in coordination.

He said the facility was also one of the outcomes of the economic cooperation pact earlier signed between the two countries.

Favila claimed the terms were “very concessional” but did not elaborate and referred the issue to DOF officials.

The agreement already includes funding for the $450-million CyberEducation program and the NBN project with ZTE Corp. of China, as well as for the Northrail and Southrail projects.

The Northrail and Southrail projects are proceeding smoothly while the NBN, which would link all government agencies and offices, is facing stiff opposition from rival proponents and some lawmakers.

“The minister said the facility is for projects the government would like to nominate and it would be discussed if they would be qualified,” Favila said.

Favila though admitted numerous government agencies and departments have been lobbying for their respective pet projects for funding by the loan agreement. “They’re (projects being pushed) so many,” he remarked.

Mendoza, the chief proponent of the ZTE contract, earlier said the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is just awaiting the results of the DOF negotiations with the China Eximbank for the deal to finally push through.

Mendoza claimed they were able to secure a favorable opinion from the Department of Justice (DOJ) in saying the memorandum of agreement signed between the DOTC and ZTE in Boao, China last April was a government-to-government deal, which means that no bidding is required for the NBN project.

The deal took a mysterious twist after DOTC Assistant Secretary Lorenzo Formoso admitted losing the originals of the signed documents. He claimed the documents were stolen from a hotel room of a Philippine diplomat shortly after the signing.

Officials said the DOTC managed to reconstitute the missing contract.

Favila admitted Mendoza’s presence at the signing practically meant the ZTE deal will finally be implemented.

Among those opposing the contract is the US-based Arescom, and Amsterdam Holding Inc. (AHI), a local firm owned by Jose de Venecia III, son of Speaker Jose de Venecia Jr.

The two firms contended the ZTE deal was onerous, violated the Built-Operate-Transfer (BOT) laws and unconstitutional because similar contracts should have gone through a public bidding.

The two firms also claimed they have submitted much lower bids.

AHI, however, asserted their proposal was superior since it does not require a loan, much less a sovereign guarantee, since it would be fully privately funded.

Iloilo Vice Gov. Rolex Suplico earlier filed a petition before the Supreme Court against the DOTC to stop the deal.

Favila said the controversy over the ZTE contract was briefly touched during his meeting with Bo who appeared unfazed over the opposition.

He said Bo expressed full support of the NBN project and pointed out ZTE and its rival Huawei, a partner of AHI for its own proposal for broadband project, are actually top caliber companies in China on good standing with experience in countries all over the world.

“I think he (Bo) understands that we have some domestic processes and he did not appear worried at all,” Favila said.

AHI counsel Marinelle O’Santos, for her part, claimed she was not aware of the signing but expressed alarm that such a move has been made.

“Up to now, nobody has seen a copy of the (ZTE contract). I think the Filipino taxpayers would want to know what kind of debt they are shouldering and going to pay for the next 20 to 25 years,” O’Santos said.

She debunked claims from Mendoza that anyone who would formally write to the DOTC would get a copy of the supply contract it signed with ZTE.

O’Santos claimed writing to Mendoza and Formoso for a copy of the deal but the request had been ignored.

squatters along fti is still in the area. only near fti station that squatters are gone.. i hope bicutan station is the next..

^^ Hello Nathan.... Thanks for the good news... I wonder where the PNR Compound in FTI area. Sa Bicutan Kc meron me nakita. Check this Out!!!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1028/1246473448_6a344ef0b1_o.jpg

RP, China sign $1.8-B loan
By Paolo Romero
Monday, August 27, 2007
PhilStar
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Headlines&p=49&type=2&sec=24&aid=20070826135

The Philippines and China have inked a $1.8-billion loan agreement to finance big-ticket projects in the country, including the controversial $330-million National Broadband Network (NBN), officials said yesterday.Trade Secretary Peter Favila said the signing took place without fanfare on the sidelines of the ASEAN Economic Ministers (AEM) meeting held at the Shangri-La Hotel in Makati City on Saturday.

Favila said the agreement was signed by Department of Finance (DOF) officials and representatives of the China Export and Import Bank.

He said he represented the Philippine government together with Finance Secretary Margarito Teves and Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza in the signing with Chinese Minister of Commerce Bo Xilai who attended the AEM.

Favila said the loan facility was higher than expected and during his bilateral meeting with Bo at the AEM, the Chinese official indicated that the Philippines could expect more if warranted.

“This loan facility is a clear manifestation of China’s commitment to help us. Now it is up to us if we want to be helped,” Favila told The STAR.

Favila stressed the main architect of the package was the DOF.

Favila was designated minister-in-charge or the government’s point man for business in China with Bo as his counterpart for ease in coordination.

He said the facility was also one of the outcomes of the economic cooperation pact earlier signed between the two countries.

Favila claimed the terms were “very concessional” but did not elaborate and referred the issue to DOF officials.

The agreement already includes funding for the $450-million CyberEducation program and the NBN project with ZTE Corp. of China, as well as for the Northrail and Southrail projects.

The Northrail and Southrail projects are proceeding smoothly while the NBN, which would link all government agencies and offices, is facing stiff opposition from rival proponents and some lawmakers.

“The minister said the facility is for projects the government would like to nominate and it would be discussed if they would be qualified,” Favila said.

Favila though admitted numerous government agencies and departments have been lobbying for their respective pet projects for funding by the loan agreement. “They’re (projects being pushed) so many,” he remarked.

Mendoza, the chief proponent of the ZTE contract, earlier said the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is just awaiting the results of the DOF negotiations with the China Eximbank for the deal to finally push through.

Mendoza claimed they were able to secure a favorable opinion from the Department of Justice (DOJ) in saying the memorandum of agreement signed between the DOTC and ZTE in Boao, China last April was a government-to-government deal, which means that no bidding is required for the NBN project.

The deal took a mysterious twist after DOTC Assistant Secretary Lorenzo Formoso admitted losing the originals of the signed documents. He claimed the documents were stolen from a hotel room of a Philippine diplomat shortly after the signing.

Officials said the DOTC managed to reconstitute the missing contract.

Favila admitted Mendoza’s presence at the signing practically meant the ZTE deal will finally be implemented.

Among those opposing the contract is the US-based Arescom, and Amsterdam Holding Inc. (AHI), a local firm owned by Jose de Venecia III, son of Speaker Jose de Venecia Jr.

The two firms contended the ZTE deal was onerous, violated the Built-Operate-Transfer (BOT) laws and unconstitutional because similar contracts should have gone through a public bidding.

The two firms also claimed they have submitted much lower bids.

AHI, however, asserted their proposal was superior since it does not require a loan, much less a sovereign guarantee, since it would be fully privately funded.

Iloilo Vice Gov. Rolex Suplico earlier filed a petition before the Supreme Court against the DOTC to stop the deal.

Favila said the controversy over the ZTE contract was briefly touched during his meeting with Bo who appeared unfazed over the opposition.

He said Bo expressed full support of the NBN project and pointed out ZTE and its rival Huawei, a partner of AHI for its own proposal for broadband project, are actually top caliber companies in China on good standing with experience in countries all over the world.

“I think he (Bo) understands that we have some domestic processes and he did not appear worried at all,” Favila said.

AHI counsel Marinelle O’Santos, for her part, claimed she was not aware of the signing but expressed alarm that such a move has been made.

“Up to now, nobody has seen a copy of the (ZTE contract). I think the Filipino taxpayers would want to know what kind of debt they are shouldering and going to pay for the next 20 to 25 years,” O’Santos said.

She debunked claims from Mendoza that anyone who would formally write to the DOTC would get a copy of the supply contract it signed with ZTE.

O’Santos claimed writing to Mendoza and Formoso for a copy of the deal but the request had been ignored.



^^ Thanks Mr. 3cr... I like this information very much....

Originally Posted by 3cr View Post

RP, China sign $1.8-B loan
By Paolo Romero
Monday, August 27, 2007
PhilStar
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?He...id=20070826135

The Philippines and China have inked a $1.8-billion loan agreement to finance big-ticket projects in the country, including the controversial $330-million National Broadband Network (NBN), officials said yesterday.Trade Secretary Peter Favila said the signing took place without fanfare on the sidelines of the ASEAN Economic Ministers (AEM) meeting held at the Shangri-La Hotel in Makati City on Saturday.

Favila said the agreement was signed by Department of Finance (DOF) officials and representatives of the China Export and Import Bank.

He said he represented the Philippine government together with Finance Secretary Margarito Teves and Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza in the signing with Chinese Minister of Commerce Bo Xilai who attended the AEM.

Favila said the loan facility was higher than expected and during his bilateral meeting with Bo at the AEM, the Chinese official indicated that the Philippines could expect more if warranted.

“This loan facility is a clear manifestation of China’s commitment to help us. Now it is up to us if we want to be helped,” Favila told The STAR.

Favila stressed the main architect of the package was the DOF.

Favila was designated minister-in-charge or the government’s point man for business in China with Bo as his counterpart for ease in coordination.

He said the facility was also one of the outcomes of the economic cooperation pact earlier signed between the two countries.

Favila claimed the terms were “very concessional” but did not elaborate and referred the issue to DOF officials.

The agreement already includes funding for the $450-million CyberEducation program and the NBN project with ZTE Corp. of China, as well as for the Northrail and Southrail projects.

The Northrail and Southrail projects are proceeding smoothly while the NBN, which would link all government agencies and offices, is facing stiff opposition from rival proponents and some lawmakers.

“The minister said the facility is for projects the government would like to nominate and it would be discussed if they would be qualified,” Favila said.

Favila though admitted numerous government agencies and departments have been lobbying for their respective pet projects for funding by the loan agreement. “They’re (projects being pushed) so many,” he remarked.

Mendoza, the chief proponent of the ZTE contract, earlier said the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is just awaiting the results of the DOF negotiations with the China Eximbank for the deal to finally push through.

Mendoza claimed they were able to secure a favorable opinion from the Department of Justice (DOJ) in saying the memorandum of agreement signed between the DOTC and ZTE in Boao, China last April was a government-to-government deal, which means that no bidding is required for the NBN project.

The deal took a mysterious twist after DOTC Assistant Secretary Lorenzo Formoso admitted losing the originals of the signed documents. He claimed the documents were stolen from a hotel room of a Philippine diplomat shortly after the signing.

Officials said the DOTC managed to reconstitute the missing contract.

Favila admitted Mendoza’s presence at the signing practically meant the ZTE deal will finally be implemented.

Among those opposing the contract is the US-based Arescom, and Amsterdam Holding Inc. (AHI), a local firm owned by Jose de Venecia III, son of Speaker Jose de Venecia Jr.

The two firms contended the ZTE deal was onerous, violated the Built-Operate-Transfer (BOT) laws and unconstitutional because similar contracts should have gone through a public bidding.

The two firms also claimed they have submitted much lower bids.

AHI, however, asserted their proposal was superior since it does not require a loan, much less a sovereign guarantee, since it would be fully privately funded.

Iloilo Vice Gov. Rolex Suplico earlier filed a petition before the Supreme Court against the DOTC to stop the deal.

Favila said the controversy over the ZTE contract was briefly touched during his meeting with Bo who appeared unfazed over the opposition.

He said Bo expressed full support of the NBN project and pointed out ZTE and its rival Huawei, a partner of AHI for its own proposal for broadband project, are actually top caliber companies in China on good standing with experience in countries all over the world.

“I think he (Bo) understands that we have some domestic processes and he did not appear worried at all,” Favila said.

AHI counsel Marinelle O’Santos, for her part, claimed she was not aware of the signing but expressed alarm that such a move has been made.

“Up to now, nobody has seen a copy of the (ZTE contract). I think the Filipino taxpayers would want to know what kind of debt they are shouldering and going to pay for the next 20 to 25 years,” O’Santos said.

She debunked claims from Mendoza that anyone who would formally write to the DOTC would get a copy of the supply contract it signed with ZTE.

O’Santos claimed writing to Mendoza and Formoso for a copy of the deal but the request had been ignored.

^^ Ooops Sorry I posted in the old thread. I'll post more on the new thread if I come across any article on the South/North rail project. :) :) :)

kailan ba matatapos yong kalookan to malolos portion

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/662/eurostarthanksmonkeyqu4.jpg

Quite a comfortable ride aside from the sort of "train turbulence" while inside the tunnel.4-5 hours London to Paris.Now,imagine this in Pinas,travelling would be so much enjoyable!Manila to Bicol in 4 hours.:banana:

hi.. great pics. eurostar..zooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm

^^ :banana: Another version of PGMA Inspection of Malolos Northrail Station :banana: ^^

http://www.bulacan.gov.ph/images/news/northrail.jpg

does smone know who designed the old paco station , the neo classic structure? and also whats the name of the builder behind the structure beside the paco station and the one responsible for ruining the paco station?.. some pnr oficial told me its San jose builders... any1 who can confirm it..damn those people, they just destroyed the building..

http://www.geocities.com/dapat_tapatt/dumbanddumber.html

read this articles, some related to historical preservation that is being ruined by our politicians.. http://www.geocities.com/dapat_tapatt/dumbanddumber.html
http://www.ivanhenares.com/2006/11/what-is-wrong-with-manila.html

good old lito atienza "now denr scretary" did this to manila

He allowed the demolition the YMCA designed by Architect William Parsons and replaced it with SM City Manila; ordered the demolition of the Art Deco Jai Alai Building designed by renowned architect Welton Beckett and replaced it with nothing, now a vacant lot; allowed the demolition of the San Lazaro Hippodrome, former home of the Manila Jockey Club, the first racing club in Asia, and replaced it with SM City San Lazaro; chopped trees in Manila's last lung, the Arroceros Forest Park, and replaced it with some DepEd building which could have been built elsewhere; built a park and ride facility on one of Manila's richest archaeological sites, the Mehan Gardens; nearly demolished the charming Paco Railroad Station leaving an empty shell, where another shopping mall is being built right beside it; allowed the demolition of the Avenue Theater designed by National Artist Juan Nakpil, one of the few structures in Avenida which survived WWII, so that it could be converted into a parking lot... indeed, Atienza's Patayin ang MayniLA program is on a roll!

Damn politicians! si atienza kc noon basta kumita at may pagkakakitaan pwde... sbi ng iba architect dw xa, pero mukhang business man nmn xa.. buhayin daw ang maynila, but wat hapen to intramuros, dmi squatters just in front of his office.

^^ bump! wow! six page move since last week! ang bilis ng thread na ito! Sana rin pala matuloy ung Batangas Spur Line para di ko na kailangang mag bus pag pauwi sa Batangas via Lipa! I'll Just take the MRT in Cubao then lipat ng train sa Magallanes all the way to Lipa *wish* Ehehehe!

read this articles, some related to historical preservation that is being ruined by our politicians.. http://www.geocities.com/dapat_tapatt/dumbanddumber.html
http://www.ivanhenares.com/2006/11/what-is-wrong-with-manila.html

good old lito atienza "now denr scretary" did this to manila

He allowed the demolition the YMCA designed by Architect William Parsons and replaced it with SM City Manila; ordered the demolition of the Art Deco Jai Alai Building designed by renowned architect Welton Beckett and replaced it with nothing, now a vacant lot; allowed the demolition of the San Lazaro Hippodrome, former home of the Manila Jockey Club, the first racing club in Asia, and replaced it with SM City San Lazaro; chopped trees in Manila's last lung, the Arroceros Forest Park, and replaced it with some DepEd building which could have been built elsewhere; built a park and ride facility on one of Manila's richest archaeological sites, the Mehan Gardens; nearly demolished the charming Paco Railroad Station leaving an empty shell, where another shopping mall is being built right beside it; allowed the demolition of the Avenue Theater designed by National Artist Juan Nakpil, one of the few structures in Avenida which survived WWII, so that it could be converted into a parking lot... indeed, Atienza's Patayin ang MayniLA program is on a roll!

Damn politicians! si atienza kc noon basta kumita at may pagkakakitaan pwde... sbi ng iba architect dw xa, pero mukhang business man nmn xa.. buhayin daw ang maynila, but wat hapen to intramuros, dmi squatters just in front of his office.

kala ko thread ito on manila....anyways....mehan now is better looking than it was before...and so is the arroceros park ...it is better off now ...i did not agree with the demolition though of the fronton...on the ymca...it was an ugly structure it needed to go....as to the paco station.....with the new design coming...i don't think there is a place for the old paco station...preserve na lang cguro ito at don ilagay ang manila library....it suits the design so that the existing library now in the mehan garden right in front of the lrt1 central station could be demolished to make way for a better looking central station that opens up directly to the mehan garden....

^^ bump! wow! six page move since last week! ang bilis ng thread na ito! Sana rin pala matuloy ung Batangas Spur Line para di ko na kailangang mag bus pag pauwi sa Batangas via Lipa! I'll Just take the MRT in Cubao then lipat ng train sa Magallanes all the way to Lipa *wish* Ehehehe!

^^ Chito, di mo na tlaga kailangan mg bus. I think the govt. really wants this to revive. This line is included in the approved plan for Calabarzon Medium Term Plan. The Chinese also have pledge support and interest to this line. Di lang sya nakasama sa priority list pero I think magsstart na rin eto once the Alabang - Calamba had been done. The trend is that after developing the Caloocan to Clark, their next is Subic and Fort Bonifacio then San Fernando. It's very obvious that these areas are the economic hubs of the Philippines and mostly freight business are concerned here. Just like Batangas, if there is Subic in the North, then there is Batangas in the South. They will prioritize this cargo hubs since a lot of thier revenues will came from freight hauling. Train services then will be offered to the best Private Operator..

^^ BRAVO!!! Ang galing, do they own the railtracks? Wow! superb ingenuity.. I think this is a private line.

These lines are owned by the 'Fiji Sugar Corporation' and are all operated during sugarcane season for the haulage of the cane.
The systems here are still quite extensive and operate out of four sugar mills located at Labasa, Lautoka, Ba and Rakiraki.
Sadly they are all major loss makers and are only being supported by aid from overseas. There has been many problems with the mills this year and the future does not look good.
Many years ago the rilways of Fiji were twice as large and a passenger train even ran. Today the only passenger train is a tourist service just north of Sigatoka.
Each year the railways further reduce with the FSC really wanting rid of them. Sadly as this happens the beautiful Fiji Islands become destroyed with hundereds of half derelict old cane haulage road trucks.
Sadly the powers that be there don't seem to be as enlightened as President Gloria.

Brad

Howdee,
As always I am sitting here watching the 'Mornings @ ANC' news on the Philippine Pay TV we have here in Sydney.
They just had a pice on Northrail and Southrail, including footage of a 5000 and carriages and an unidentified station.
Was mostly about the delays that have happened and how it is affecting the projects.
China however states they are still commited to the projects.

Brad
** At the Australian's based Philippine Newsdesk :lol:

i accidentaly browse and visited this site japanese site.. and they also have pnr stations pictures..

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/paco_moto_san.htm
http://homepage2.nifty.com./honsyuutetudou/index.htm
http://www.metrography.net/cgi-local/mmg-station/archives/2005_5_3_54.html
http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/paco_tamasann.htm

check this out wheel of steel and others

^^ :banana: Our First Glimpse of Chinese Made Locomotive :banana: ^^

From: KTM Thread of Malaysia Forum...

For the sake of Northrail and Southrail Fans..


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE023.JPG


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE015.JPG


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE012.JPG


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE013.JPG

Very Very Very Narrow Gauge!!! Metre Gauge... 1000mm
http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE001.JPG

is there any design?... i wish the future northrail will be like the colors of 3rd gen lrt 1..hehe, astig kc... tpos digital na ung nakasulat na destination sa harap

is there any design?... i wish the future northrail will be like the colors of 3rd gen lrt 1..hehe, astig kc... tpos digital na ung nakasulat na destination sa harap

^^ It could be that case!... Im very positive that the design of Northrail since it is a new alignment would tremendously complement to 50 years or more. Maybe digitalization of the train station warning signs and destination boards are sure part of their program...

^^ :banana: Our First Glimpse of Chinese Made Locomotive :banana: ^^

From: KTM Thread of Malaysia Forum...

For the sake of Northrail and Southrail Fans..


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE023.JPG


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE015.JPG


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE012.JPG


http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE013.JPG

Very Very Very Narrow Gauge!!! Metre Gauge... 1000mm
http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/408/IMAGE001.JPG
is this the model that malaysia is also using...and is this the model that will be used for the northrail and southrail.....not bad...
is there any design?... i wish the future northrail will be like the colors of 3rd gen lrt 1..hehe, astig kc... tpos digital na ung nakasulat na destination sa harap

iba ang sa lrt sa northrail...dahil...pang heavy duti ang sa north and south rail...coz it includes cargo....mas maganda talaga tingnan ang mga lightrails...dahil halos tao lang sakay...kunti lang cargo...

is this the model that malaysia is also using...and is this the model that will be used for the northrail and southrail.....not bad...


iba ang sa lrt sa northrail...dahil...pang heavy duti ang sa north and south rail...coz it includes cargo....mas maganda talaga tingnan ang mga lightrails...dahil halos tao lang sakay...kunti lang cargo...

^^ This loco if for use only in long distance train and long cargo haul. This loco has a power of 3000hp. Much powerful than our GE900. And also much faster at 120kph max. speed... I don't know for commuter lines. Maybe they will use the DMUs..

i accidentaly browse and visited this site japanese site.. and they also have pnr stations pictures northrail and the ones in southrail, parang nauna na ata cla MG take ng pics E..HAHA..

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/paco_moto_san.htm
http://homepage2.nifty.com./honsyuutetudou/index.htm
http://www.metrography.net/cgi-local/mmg-station/archives/2005_5_3_54.html
http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/paco_tamasann.htm

check this out wheel of steel and others

^^ The locomotive exteriors was probably designed by KTM because of the similarities to their orther locomotives especially the Blue Tiger. The interior, machines and other stuff are built by China...

is there any design?... i wish the future northrail will be like the colors of 3rd gen lrt 1..hehe, astig kc... tpos digital na ung nakasulat na destination sa harap

northrail...is the greenline....so definitely it will have something green in it...

senxa na if im not posting topics about Pnr Linkage.. anyway i just want to share this map..

rail networks of Metro Manila "from japan site"
http://file.uploadr.com/100b5-embed


I also saw this on Multiply, these are my fellow UST collegemates, they were 3rd yr architecture students who are doing a drawing plate of Paco Station.
http://file.uploadr.com/100b7-embed

http://file.uploadr.com/100b8-embed

^^ You tube presentation of what I really want the Southrail to Bicol to be like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDI5LTOiR1o&mode=related&search=

senxa na if im not posting topics about Pnr Linkage.. anyway i just want to share this map..

rail networks of Metro Manila "from japan site"
http://file.uploadr.com/100b5-embed


I also saw this on Multiply, these are my fellow UST collegemates, they were 3rd yr architecture students who are doing a drawing plate of Paco Station.
http://file.uploadr.com/100b7-embed

http://file.uploadr.com/100b8-embed

^^ Are all of this girls giving you inspiration? Wow! Nice, Nathan youre the guy for them...Nakkksssss, dyok lang!!!:nuts:

@ Nathan....

^^ Wow!!! Ang ganda pa rin ng Paco.. Sana gawin na lang PNR Museum ang Paco tapos on a distance, ung Paco Station.. Para may dating....

^^ Archi ka pala, i-render mo naman sa AutoCAD ang Paco Station.. Cge na naman oh.. Gamit u AutoCAD latest.

^^ There was a possiblity that Northrail which happens to be LRT5, be realized since it is the linkage or Phase 4 of Northrail going to Boni. Chances are it is a subway with no station between Fort and Caloocan.

http://file.uploadr.com/100b5-embed

^^ Saan kaya ang PNR Compound sa FTI?

^^ Saan kaya ang PNR Compound sa FTI?

ung sa previous google earth mo diba may hinighlight ka sa malapit sa fti complex, yun un..db nga i told u na, un kc ung nkasulat sa citi atlas ko e... scan ko mmaya..

ung sa previous google earth mo diba may hinighlight ka sa malapit sa fti complex, yun un..db nga i told u na, un kc ung nkasulat sa citi atlas ko e... scan ko mmaya..

^^ O cge Nathan, Thanks at itry ko kunyari gumawa ng Central Station rendering sa First Map Ko.. Kunyari lang..

^^ Are all of this girls giving you inspiration? Wow! Nice, Nathan youre the guy for them...Nakkksssss, dyok lang!!!:nuts:

oi hinda ah, nkita ko lng yan sa multiply, naghahanap kc ako ng history ng paco station.. c william e. parsons pla ngdesign nun.. nope mga 3rd yr yan, d ko cla kilala e,pulot ko lng yan pic..hahaha ,tpos share ko d2 sa forum..


cge pagtpos nko d2 sa thesis book.. amp,hirap book..

^^ Im calling the attention to Malolos SSC guys, if you want to post here you can have a picture of Malolos Station very near to your home. Kasi po malapit kayo dyan, maybe you can help us. It will be useful to have a latest update of whats happening there. Ok thank you guys, asahan namin if ever...

oi hinda ah, nkita ko lng yan sa multiply, naghahanap kc ako ng history ng paco station.. c parsons pla ngdesign.. nope mga 3rd yr yan, d ko cla kilala e,pulot ko lng yan pic..hahaha ,tpos share ko d2 sa forum..


cge pagtpos nko d2 sa thesis book.. amp,hirap book..

^^ Ah, Parsons International Consultant. My cousin previously worked in their project at Vancouver Elevated Railway. Nice naman, I don't know if the one they're building behind Paco is related to PNR Projects...

^^ With regards to Malolos Station, I have infos that theyre already erecting the piers. Can somebody confirm it. Thanks pala dun sa kumuha ng video sa Malolos Northrail Project you tube . Ang galing, clarado. Sana everywhile and then you can update us again. Its really a big help especially for those who has no knowledge about this project...:okay:

^^ Ah, Parsons International Consultant. My cousin previously worked in their project at Vancouver Elevated Railway. Nice naman, I don't know if the one they're building behind Paco is related to PNR Projects...

wat i mean is the old paco station was designed by Architect William E. Parsons during the 1910s.. he also designed some buildings in escolta, phil. general hospital, ymca which is now sm manila.. Tpos ung Philippine Normal University tska manila hotel, kumbaga asistant sya ni daniel burnham..