Whew, grabe, ang taas ng araw, nakakasilaw, buti may dala akong shades... :D
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/thomasian/pgma.jpg

^^ Ha ha ha... GALENG!!! Ok, mukhang healthy and ating forum ngayon ha... Hmmm... Ok thank you, for those who just viewing this you can partipate, just register then you can post already.... :banana:

Whew, grabe, ang taas ng araw, nakakasilaw, buti may dala akong shades... :D
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/thomasian/pgma.jpg

:lol: In fairness ha... cute sya!!!

^^ Guys, what you see pala dyan sa taas are all pictures of the projects. The right pictures are mostly the pile boring works and the reinforcement fabrication. Sandali lang naman ito then the pouring the foundation. Sayang ala tayong mas clear na view, anyway wait na lang muna tayo baka may latest update sa mga SSC fans....

kala ko c bayani fernando ung nakatalikod...hahaha, lge kc nka safety helmet eh.harhar:lol: :lol:

infairness mgnda pagkaka render ng perspective, dinaan sa kulay, gnyan din kaya pag natayo na, harhar.. may 2 cconut tree kaya sa side? ..

good morning, i'm new to this thread. i'd just like to tell you guys that the sleds they use in ragay are called "skates"...i remember that we frequently used these motorized trolleys when going to ragay in the early 90s because we had a fishpond in ragay at that time. we would usually ride this at sipocot all the way to ragay, (bus route). i distinctly remember one time that the train we were riding got derialed in tagkawayan, quezon, i thought i was dead because the train coach we were riding was the one that got derailed, it leaned at a very steep angle. my father made very good friends with the peole at pnr, we would get the privilege to ride the locomotives themselves and sometimes the train will stop in los baños (where i live)...so we don't have to get off at calamba station. the best of these train trips was the sleeper de luxe, but i only got to ride this train once, ragay to manila.

regarding the motorized skates, these things were very fast, and they used motor engines similar to those used in motorized bancas...they had a system as who will get off the tracks when they meet, the general rule was who ever was the lighter trolley will be the one to get off. the king of the skates were those who carry rice sacks.

i'll try to find our pictures with these skates to show you guys what they look like.

also, i remember seeing a pickup truck in the rail tracks themselves, i'm not sure which station in quezon...

its nice to hear that the rail lines in the country will be rehabilitated and used once more.

also, i was in lipa city this morning, i saw the old rail tracks there and they were full of squatters, i hope that when the batangas port is fully operational, they might want to rehabilitate this line too, freight trains to the port of batangas to manila and the rest of the country.

sorry guys, my message was kinda long..

Whew, grabe, ang taas ng araw, nakakasilaw, buti may dala akong shades... :D
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/thomasian/pgma.jpg

Is the middle pic a rendering of the Central Station?

^^ There was a possiblity that Northrail which happens to be LRT5, be realized since it is the linkage or Phase 4 of Northrail going to Boni. Chances are it is a subway with no station between Fort and Caloocan.

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Strange, why do they refer to it as LRT5? It isn't actually an LRT system.
Then a MRT is actually a LRT, so they seem to use the lettering more as a name than what it physically it.

Enjoyed the maganda Pinays at Paco station :)

Brad

^^ Guys, what you see pala dyan sa taas are all pictures of the projects. The right pictures are mostly the pile boring works and the reinforcement fabrication. Sandali lang naman ito then the pouring the foundation. Sayang ala tayong mas clear na view, anyway wait na lang muna tayo baka may latest update sa mga SSC fans....

Its hard to tell, but one shot looks like a 2500 or 5000 on an old PNR passenger train.
I'll bet P1000 we wont see such a thing at Malalos :lol:

The President looks a little grumpy to. I have seen that look on the asawa's face and it isn't a sign that the rest of the day will be pleasant. :lol:

Brad

good morning, i'm new to this thread. i'd just like to tell you guys that the sleds they use in ragay are called "skates"...i remember that we frequently used these motorized trolleys when going to ragay in the early 90s because we had a fishpond in ragay at that time. we would usually ride this at sipocot all the way to ragay, (bus route). i distinctly remember one time that the train we were riding got derialed in tagkawayan, quezon, i thought i was dead because the train coach we were riding was the one that got derailed, it leaned at a very steep angle. my father made very good friends with the peole at pnr, we would get the privilege to ride the locomotives themselves and sometimes the train will stop in los baños (where i live)...so we don't have to get off at calamba station. the best of these train trips was the sleeper de luxe, but i only got to ride this train once, ragay to manila.

regarding the motorized skates, these things were very fast, and they used motor engines similar to those used in motorized bancas...they had a system as who will get off the tracks when they meet, the general rule was who ever was the lighter trolley will be the one to get off. the king of the skates were those who carry rice sacks.

i'll try to find our pictures with these skates to show you guys what they look like.

also, i remember seeing a pickup truck in the rail tracks themselves, i'm not sure which station in quezon...

its nice to hear that the rail lines in the country will be rehabilitated and used once more.

also, i was in lipa city this morning, i saw the old rail tracks there and they were full of squatters, i hope that when the batangas port is fully operational, they might want to rehabilitate this line too, freight trains to the port of batangas to manila and the rest of the country.

sorry guys, my message was kinda long..



Hi there and welcome to the thread.
No need to appologize for the length, the more info the better.
I for one like to read of personal experiences by people who have used the PNR over the years. Its stories like this that give you a real insight into how it used to be. Actually I never realised they used a pickup truck type conversion until now.
If you are able to find the photos please do place them up for us to see.

Again, welcome to the thread. I look forward to hearing more from you.

Best wishes
Brad

Is the middle pic a rendering of the Central Station?

^^ Not yet!!! The Central Station is soon to be constructed. The government has the masterplan and I just don't know where they were building it, at FTI or near the BICUTAN? The middle upper one is I think the Caloocan Station while down below I guess it is the Malolos Elevated Station. The others are the stations of Valenzuela, Meycayuan, Balagtas.....

Strange, why do they refer to it as LRT5? It isn't actually an LRT system.
Then a MRT is actually a LRT, so they seem to use the lettering more as a name than what it physically it.

Enjoyed the maganda Pinays at Paco station :)

Brad

Brad,

Hi Brad! Good morning Sir! Yes Its really kind of strange that they will call it as MRT5. I use to suspect that MRT5 and NorthRail Phase 3 are the same. Perhaps they will share the ROW but separate line and same guage. Or may I put on this, the same line with the same gauge but different service. Let say in this line, NorthRail Express Train will be allowed to pass on through Bonifacio while the local pickup will be taken by MRT5. I mean the local train service will be taken by the MRT5 which will be given let say 5min headway from Caloocan to Bonifacio and stations in between them while the Clark-Fort Express Train service (NorthRail) will be 30min headway. If that happens, well going to have our first narrow guage LRT system shared with an express heavy rail system... WOW!!! . What do you think guys? Maybe its possible since they will find a way to make this line profitable .

WoS

^^ Ah, I guess the DOTC has a way of calling a railway system in the Philippines. If the railway system is only concentrated only within Metro Manila, they will call it as part of LRT or MRT system while trains that comes from Metro Manila to nearby suburan areas vice versa perhaps they will call it as Commuter Trains or our Heavy Rail System (PNR). If it happened that the case of the NorthRail Phase 3, the line was extended from Caloocan to Fort Bonifacio intentionally without stop. But they will see line will not be profitable since NorthRail Trains will pass every 30mins only. In order to increase its profits and revenue, they will inject a commuter service in this line and construct small stations in between. And that is the MRT5 they're talking. A heavy rail combined with lrt service....

Any analysis and suggestions is highly appreciated....

From Philippine Star July 0, 2007

NorthRail coaches to run on biodesel

MALOLOS CITY - Train coaches that will ply the double-track, 32 kilometer NorthRail starting 2010 will be powered by biodiesel.

Jose Cortez, president of the North Luzon Railways Corp. (NorthRail), told The STAR that the first 28 diesel motor units that will serve the railway project will initially be powered by biodiesel.

Cortez, said the government's biofuel law augurs well for the NorthRail project, noting that thousand of hectares of land in Nueva Ecija are already planted with jathropa whose oil could be processed into biodiesel.

He said government agenceis have also expressed interest to convert his 4,000 hectare property in Surigao into a jathropa plantation.

Cortez said the NorthRail coaches can also run on electricity.

Conceived in the mid-90's, the NorthRail project will link the cities of Caloocan and Malolos in Bulacan, and eventually Angeles City in Pampanga, for a total of 75 kilometers, using the right of way of the Philippine National Railways.

Cortez said the project will boost local economies and provide mass transport to some 150,000 passengers daily in its initial operations and about 350,000 pasengers on its 11th year.

Two years ago, some 30,000 families in Caloocan and Malolos was relocated to in-town resetlement sites to give way to the project.

However work on the project has been slow, at present, only about seven percent of the 32-kilometer NorthRail has been completed.

President Arroyo has ordered NorthRail to fast-track the project before she steps down from office three years from now.

Cortez, hoever, said they are doing everything to speed up the project, but there are certain things beyond their control.

For instance, he said Chinese contractors have brought in steel that does not conform to Philippine standards.

He added that there were also problems with the NorthRail design as it took a Chinese institute tapped by the contractors too long to come up with it.

But Cortez and Dennis Jugueta, NorthRail vice president for engineering, said the contractors already have a preliminary design.

Cortez said the design came on installments, as certain segments of the NorthRail are too narrow for the double-track railway, which requires a width of at least 15 meters.

Meanwhile, Cortez said they have a self-mposed deadline to "have all the land that we need" by the end of October.

Jugueta said NorthRail has the money to compensate owners of lots to be affected by the railway project.

If negotiations fail, he said they might be forced to expropriate the land beside the old PNR right-of-way in favor of NorthRail.

Hi guys, been away for quite a while and I surely missed a lot!

I stumbled upon this NEDA report (in PDF) and I took out a page for your additional reference:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5893/nedareportmt2.jpg

Note: Southrail Phase IA is ongoing???

Current state of Southrail in selected areas:

Sn. Pablo crossing (Laguna)
Towards Lucena
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/281/zsnpablo1hu7.jpg

Towards Manila
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4659/zsnpablo2nj3.jpg

Candelaria crossing (Quezon)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/844/zcandelaria1jw3.jpg

Hi guys, been away for quite a while and I surely missed a lot!

I stumbled upon this NEDA report (in PDF) and I took out a page for your additional reference:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5893/nedareportmt2.jpg

Note: Southrail Phase IA is ongoing???


WOWIE!!! Nice info Lucentino. At least in this way we can see the status of railway projects... Sana ongoing na lahat. Hopefully I wish that the Sta. Cruz and Batangas Line be started already..

Current state of Southrail in selected areas:

Sn. Pablo crossing (Laguna)
Towards Lucena
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/281/zsnpablo1hu7.jpg

Towards Manila
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4659/zsnpablo2nj3.jpg

Candelaria crossing (Quezon)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/844/zcandelaria1jw3.jpg

^^ Just like here in Albay. Medyo extreme lang sa Legazpi. Talagang inkupa ang buong riles na akala nila dahil sa Reming di na makakabalik ang serbisyo ng tren dito. Well unfortunately, mali sila.

The plan of DOTC itself has changed several times so the extension of the north rail spur line to the Fort may have been swapped with the original line 5 which runs along similar alignment. If you check out the plans of 10 years ago the original line 5 was supposed to be like a circular line linking the cbds with manila in a circle. It was a Subway but now it may already be superseded with the North Rail extension. I just don't know how often the northrail service would be in the city as it should have a higher frequency with the commuter service.

^^ It's really painful to see that our railways has gone this worst. I mean the worst of the worst is about to come when the PNR will end their last commuter train service in Metro this year to pave for the rehabilitation of the line. Actually its not anymore rehab because I don't see any part of the PNR still to be repaired...Its completely a construction at an amazingly low price... Thanks to the proponents... This is simply what happens when two nations has a good relationship with each other...

Hi guys, been away for quite a while and I surely missed a lot!

I stumbled upon this NEDA report (in PDF) and I took out a page for your additional reference:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5893/nedareportmt2.jpg

Note: Southrail Phase IA is ongoing???

^^ :lol: You don't have to be stumbled. The SouthRail 1A is already on and about to start. Unlike in Metro Manila, the shanties along the Calamba Lucena are slightly farther than the rails so they can construct the project while removing the shanties. Believe me they can build that and still ontime.

...For instance, he said Chinese contractors have brought in steel that does not conform to Philippine standards.

He added that there were also problems with the NorthRail design as it took a Chinese institute tapped by the contractors too long to come up with it.

Ehem!

^^ Ah, I guess the DOTC has a way of calling a railway system in the Philippines. If the railway system is only concentrated only within Metro Manila, they will call it as part of LRT or MRT system while trains that comes from Metro Manila to nearby suburan areas vice versa perhaps they will call it as Commuter Trains or our Heavy Rail System (PNR). If it happened that the case of the NorthRail Phase 3, the line was extended from Caloocan to Fort Bonifacio intentionally without stop. But they will see line will not be profitable since NorthRail Trains will pass every 30mins only. In order to increase its profits and revenue, they will inject a commuter service in this line and construct small stations in between. And that is the MRT5 they're talking. A heavy rail combined with lrt service....

Any analysis and suggestions is highly appreciated....

What is really needed is a through service that does both the commuter run and on through to Malalos without all the need to change transport modes.
This may be harder to achieve if the metro service is to be all underground and utilizing diesel power. However is should not be impossible, we occasionally have smokey old ALCo locomotives in our underground doing trackwork and using exhaust scrubbers.
There is enough changing of transport modes there to go and make it worse.

Metro services could proceed to Malolos and return, passenger services for longer distances could start for Caloocan and be fed by the local metro. This metro service could then service all stations from Caloocan to Malolos where the long distance train would also make a stop.
This would then make services to everyhwere available.

I am still a little confused about the Central station concept. Is this just for PNR and why down near FTI? What does tis mean for the current Central station, will Tayuman/Tutuban be closed and redeveloped?

Thanks
Brad

Sana ongoing na lahat. Hopefully I wish that the Sta. Cruz and Batangas Line be started already..

I think we all do, we would feel the future of these projects was safer if that was the case.

Brad

^^ It's really painful to see that our railways has gone this worst. I mean the worst of the worst is about to come when the PNR will end their last commuter train service in Metro this year to pave for the rehabilitation of the line. Actually its not anymore rehab because I don't see any part of the PNR still to be repaired...Its completely a construction at an amazingly low price... Thanks to the proponents... This is simply what happens when two nations has a good relationship with each other...


Firstly a big thanks to Lucentino for the photos, these are always much appreciated.

While the complete close down is needed for the fast rebuild, it does bring to an end a long history of continuous MRR/PNR operation within the Philippines, even though it is just a brief thing.
Historically it is sad as we have to start again, but at least it isn't the end.

Brad

^^ GOOD DAY AGAIN TO ALL....

^^ I hope the fence of the Northrail and Southrail be like this... Economical and yet strong. The thieft will not get anything out of it... :lol: Check this out... This photo was taken from Subic Clark Tarlac Xway Thread....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1116/1088279549_bde1ca9703.jpg?v=0

^^ Im still very much confidence that building a wall to protect the trains will not be as hard as we expect. Certainly most of this materials are precast and will just be put in place after the foundation was secured. Good Stuff... I find it so economical to put prefabricated structures provided that there must be a super stable foundation that will hold this. I guess they can erect a wall 500m/day... :cheers:

DEMOLITION ALONG ESPANA UPTO LAONG LAAN IS ON GOING...yipeee.... sorry i dont have pics.. only 5 meters will be demolished, from the outer rail..

^^ That is great news! Although I thought that the ROW for this project is 15 meters right?

DEMOLITION ALONG ESPANA UPTO LAONG LAAN IS ON GOING...yipeee.... sorry i dont have pics.. only 5 meters will be demolished, from the outer rail..

^^ ha ha ha!!! The government is just relaxing about this matter, I doubt that theres going to have a 3rd and 4th rail and when these prof. squatters knew it, sure theyre going to leave and if they don't, the government will appropriate the land in favor of Southrail..he he he!!!:lol: They have no choice, as I told you guys it's better to leave now..:bash:

^^ That is great news! Although I thought that the ROW for this project is 15 meters right?

^^ :lol: Absolutely Chito this is not a great news!!! These squatters will all have to be remove and the Government will reclaim what belongs to them. The ROW is 30m at it is very clear that when this has been cleared, the Antipolo St. should be visible from the opposite stree.

any news about the approval of the mrt7 project?....the status report given....what date was it released?....baka months ago na yan...

^^ The're awaiting for the proponents of this MRT. The Swiss challenge did not succeed so they will look for another investor. Hopefully they could find so they could start the construction. Fortunately, the Northrail and Southrail Projects are already in full swing and this is so important because this will help decongest Metro Manila since the line goes to suburban.

^^ GOOD DAY AGAIN TO ALL....

^^ I hope the fence of the Northrail and Southrail be like this... Economical and yet strong. The thieft will not get anything out of it...


And best of all they can be photographed over. :lol:

Good morning as well from Australia. Just got up and am watching the news from over your way.

Brad

^^ ha ha ha!!! The government is just relaxing about this matter, I doubt that theres going to have a 3rd and 4th rail and when these prof. squatters knew it, sure theyre going to leave and if they don't, the government will appropriate the land in favor of Southrail..he he he!!!:lol: They have no choice, as I told you guys it's better to leave now..:bash:

Don't want to see the government relaxing any of their plans to remove these squatters. While 3-4 tracks may not be required initially, the planned growth with likely make it a requirement in the future and having the space initially will ensure this is an easy proposition when the time comes.
The extra tracks will certainly become a necessity should freight traffic from Batangas and Bicol become a serious concern in the future.
In Sydney, where freight and passenger services share many mainlines, you have the silly situation where freight is banned during the peak periods to ensure passenger trains aren't interupted. Freight is where the money is and should be allowed uninterupted 24 hour acces between Manila and elsewhere on Luzon.
This alone will warrant a need for at least a third track in the shorter term.

Regards
Brad
** Watchig Gloria give her economy speach on TV. Hmmm sugarcane has experienced a huge drp in production :(

DEMOLITION ALONG ESPANA UPTO LAONG LAAN IS ON GOING...yipeee.... sorry i dont have pics.. only 5 meters will be demolished, from the outer rail..

Wow they are ploughing on.
If they continue on it the direction you would imagine they should have reached the junction by the end of September, Tayuman (or Caloocan if they go that way first) certainly by the end of October.

Brad

i saw yesterday along sta mesa station that they are starting to clean up the rubble, cleaning the garbages from the past demolition and FLATENNING the lands that wer demolished..

sory, i got no pics, but u can also confirm it to other forum members that are near pup ..

btw, espana station will soon be 3/4 visible along espana blvd. ...

^^ ha ha ha!!! The government is just relaxing about this matter, I doubt that theres going to have a 3rd and 4th rail and when these prof. squatters knew it, sure theyre going to leave and if they don't, the government will appropriate the land in favor of Southrail..he he he!!!:lol: They have no choice, as I told you guys it's better to leave now..:bash:

the pnr told me that during the time of Marcos the portion of ROW along from laong laan to espana are projects of IMELDA marcos called "BLIS" and its a pabahay for the poor facing ALgeciras and Antipolo streets..

many squatters along laong laan upto tayuman and tayuman upto sangandaan...
"very big headache"... because the gov't will spend money where they will be relocate... damn LINA.. anyways, i walk yesterday along the rails of Tayuman st. upto the main terminal bldg, haha trip lng.. i noticed that the turntable is submerged in stagnant water.. like a lake.. and many areas of the PNR tayuman yard is full of squatters especially the areas of the former tayuman locomotive shed.. im sad that pnr didnt plan a proper drainage system in the yard.. and also im dissapointed that y squatters have enterd and occuied their site..

and also guys if u have noticed the Pabahay for the Poor by Ramos... the condominium type along the osmena highway?... damn, very bad idea ...

because garbage collection in that area is poor, then they throw their garbage,plastic,papers ate the back and they burn it... wat an awful smell for passengers who are riding the trains, i hope the city of manila will recognize that, and also the drainage system in that area, u shud see that guys..

the pnr told me that during the time of Marcos the portion of ROW along from laong laan to espana are projects of IMELDA marcos called "BLIS" and its a pabahay for the poor facing ALgeciras and Antipolo streets..

^^ Ok!!! Then they must put a sign board there indicating that these are government projects before so that other squatters will not follow their footsteps. But this will not be a problem since it is only concentrated in these areas. The left of Espanya going to Manila from Q.C. will all be cleared. This BLISS, I always see this whenever I pass to this section of Espanya was actually looks different from other shanties. The government will soon removed this...

Don't want to see the government relaxing any of their plans to remove these squatters. While 3-4 tracks may not be required initially, the planned growth with likely make it a requirement in the future and having the space initially will ensure this is an easy proposition when the time comes.
The extra tracks will certainly become a necessity should freight traffic from Batangas and Bicol become a serious concern in the future.
In Sydney, where freight and passenger services share many mainlines, you have the silly situation where freight is banned during the peak periods to ensure passenger trains aren't interupted. Freight is where the money is and should be allowed uninterupted 24 hour acces between Manila and elsewhere on Luzon.
This alone will warrant a need for at least a third track in the shorter term.

Regards
Brad
** Watchig Gloria give her economy speach on TV. Hmmm sugarcane has experienced a huge drp in production :(

are you in sydney?....nice city...i was there last july last year ...how's the weather there now?....i kinda miss the place...

i like the part along vito cruz station up to magallanes then some parts upto bicutan where the train is visible from south super highway.. Im riding a train that time, "tpos nakasabit lng ako sa may pintuan" and vehicles that pass the south super are watching the train, i feel very happy, wla lang, kc they look at the train as if they saw it on the first time.hahaha

and also guys if u have noticed the Pabahay for the Poor by Ramos... the condominium type along the osmena highway?... damn, very bad idea ...

because garbage collection in that area is poor, then they throw their garbage,plastic,papers ate the back and they burn it... wat an awful smell for passengers who are riding the trains, i hope the city of manila will recognize that, and also the drainage system in that area, u shud see that guys..

^^ Tha'ts to totally a heck of a big problem when the operation of SouthRail Starts. The PNR must also demoslished this. It's not really good to see this pabahay sa riles. It we really wants a railway, then we must build a railway not houses. But Im very positive that the PNR has already plans for it.

http://file.uploadr.com/101d5-embed

some one tell me wat this building is and wats the use of it? is it the interlockers cabin i have a plan of the old manila yard but i dnt knw wats this.. i phographed it yesterday.. jz curious.

Don't want to see the government relaxing any of their plans to remove these squatters. While 3-4 tracks may not be required initially, the planned growth with likely make it a requirement in the future and having the space initially will ensure this is an easy proposition when the time comes.
The extra tracks will certainly become a necessity should freight traffic from Batangas and Bicol become a serious concern in the future.
In Sydney, where freight and passenger services share many mainlines, you have the silly situation where freight is banned during the peak periods to ensure passenger trains aren't interupted. Freight is where the money is and should be allowed uninterupted 24 hour acces between Manila and elsewhere on Luzon.
This alone will warrant a need for at least a third track in the shorter term.

Regards
Brad
** Watchig Gloria give her economy speach on TV. Hmmm sugarcane has experienced a huge drp in production :(


Brad,

Hi and Hellow.. Nice idea.. I really like the Southrail to have a 3rd rail although the 4th rail may not be realistic at this moment. You're right, the bulk of the revenue will come from freight business so to make sure that the freight trains runs smoothly it must have it own track. Very good idea! And also the benifit of this is that passenger trains can be freely operate in their own tracks....

WoS

http://file.uploadr.com/101d5-embed

some one tell me wat this building is and wats the use of it? is it the interlockers cabin i have a plan of the old manila yard but i dnt knw wats this.. i phographed it yesterday.. jz curious.

^^ Im curious also Nathan. From where did you took these shot? It's awesome. Just like the Airport Terminal Tower. I think it is a yard tower, cabin for yard master that will ensure that the yard is properly operating.

^^ Tha'ts to totally a heck of a big problem when the operation of SouthRail Starts. The PNR must also demoslished this. It's not really good to see this pabahay sa riles. It we really wants a railway, then we must build a railway not houses. But Im very positive that the PNR has already plans for it.

the govt is stupid on those days, y r they building for the poor, and then a small strip of land.. how can a family of 5 or 7 will be living in a room of 4x3... how can they sleep there?..its like a piggery den..hehehe

^^ Im curious also Nathan. From where did you took these shot? It's awesome. Just like the Airport Terminal Tower. I think it is a yard tower, cabin for yard master that will ensure that the yard is properly operating.

along the tutuban yard. near the loco shed

^^ Ah! If its very near to Pasig river near PUP, maybe it is a pumping station of MWSS. PNR can't have this kind of building.

i realized also that the rehabilitation of the pnr needs a lot of ballast..hahaha, so that grass will not grow there at hindi maputik, kahapon i walk sa mismong tayuman yard, super putik, sa mga sleepers ako nglalakad, and mga old pa na mga yakal ang gmit na sleepers..hahaa,muntik pa ako madulas kahapon,nka uniform pa man din ako..

^^ Ah! If its very near to Pasig river near PUP, maybe it is a pumping station of MWSS. PNR can't have this kind of building.

no its in the tayuman yard, tayuman is very far from pasig river..this is definitely not a pumping station..

^^ Ah! Sori again, :lol: Ok if it is very near to Tutuban, Im sure that it is a Yard Master Tower. I suspect that this is a part of the Yard Project that was funded by the Japanese in the 1990's or 2000's. Im sure that there was a Yard Project.

^^ I have search it in the Internet that the Yard in Caloocan was supposedly designed to built at FTI. That's why it is really a question that has to be answered now, where the hell is this FTI compound?...he he he:lol: Hang on Guys.... the NEXT 10 YEARS IN THE PNR IS VERY PROMISING... I bet you...:nuts:

no its in the tayuman yard, tayuman is very far from pasig river..this is definitely not a pumping station..

^^ Locomotives that is still being use now by the PNR is still very usable... It only needs a total rehab then 100% energy back!!!:) I proposed that initial run of the proposed Hourly Legazpi-Naga Commuter train service would composed of PNR Locomotive and three existing cars (air-conditioned). What can you say guys? PWEDE DI BA? Anyway after say 5 years, they can replace it with newer ones...

Wow they are ploughing on.
If they continue on it the direction you would imagine they should have reached the junction by the end of September, Tayuman (or Caloocan if they go that way first) certainly by the end of October.

Brad

^^ Yes my friend, and that is true. It only happened that the relocation site is not yet complete but all the papers are already sealed. Meaning the squatters only have to wait for the site then they can proceed. But in the meantime, Im very satisfied already of what is happening there right now!!! I believe that the love for this project is also the love for the train revival going to Legazpi. Thanks!

^^ Im curious also Nathan. From where did you took these shot? It's awesome. Just like the Airport Terminal Tower. I think it is a yard tower, cabin for yard master that will ensure that the yard is properly operating.

It is a signal box for Tayuman/Tutuban.
WoS it is located just to the Tutuban side of the carriage shed.

Have to go pick up the asawa now, will answer all the other recent postings here this evening. Wow there has been a lot of posts in the last two hours :banana:

Brad

^^ :banana: I always assume that the growth in infrastructure like railway projects is directly proportional to the growth in economy, that's why I posted this...:banana:

RPT - Philippines Q2 GDP up 7.5 pct yr-on-yr, fastest rise in 20 years - UPDATE

Thu, Aug 30 2007, 03:21 GMT
http://www.afxnews.com

MANILA (Thomson Financial) - The Philippine economy expanded by 7.5 percent in the second quarter from a year earlier, the fastest growth in two decades, President Gloria Arroyo said Thursday.

The growth exceeded the consensus estimate of 6.9 percent, based on a poll by Thomson IFR.

"We are confident of achieving our full-year growth target of 6.1-6.7 percent," Arroyo told reporters at a briefing on the data.

The growth rate also beat forecasts by both government economic managers and the private sector.

Growth for the period was fuelled largely by the services sector which rose 8.4 percent on an annualised basis.

Industrial output grew 8.0 percent from the previous year.

Agriculture output, which makes up a fifth of the country's gross domestic product grew 3.9 percent, despite a dry spell.

Given the robust second quarter growth, Economic Planning Secretary Augusto Santos said there is a good chance of exceeding the government's 2007 full-year growth forecast.

"Hitting 7.0 percent is not impossible. We don't expect any slowdown in the second half, we may even exceed the target."

I'm so happy about the surprising GDP results! wheel of steel, like you I believe infrastructure and economic growth are connected (although it's not our own original idea :D). When PNR completes the railway rehabilitation in the next 3-4 years, the economy will surely feel the positive effects. Not only the railways, but major airport projects, ports, and road infrastructure will definitely have a major effect on our GDP growth. :cheers:

Like I said before, I have a feeling the Philippines will be the next country to have tremendous growth like Vietnam, China, and India. We definitely have the potential to achieve high, sustainable growth. Let's just hope that the government is competent and will reach for that kind of growth.

i walk yesterday along the rails of Tayuman st. upto the main terminal bldg, haha trip lng.. i noticed that the turntable is submerged in stagnant water..


Nathan,
Did you notice if the turntable bridge was still there amongst the water? I only had a quick look from a distance and it looked like it was just the pit under that green murkiness.
Did you see if the bridge (rails where loco sat for turning) was still there?


Thanks
Brad

because garbage collection in that area is poor, then they throw their garbage,plastic,papers ate the back and they burn it... wat an awful smell for passengers who are riding the trains, i hope the city of manila will recognize that, and also the drainage system in that area, u shud see that guys..

For a time PNR ws runing rubbish trains which basically consisted of some of those FL wagons running up and down the squatter areas for people to throw their junk on.
Not a bad concept if there was a Peso charge imposed for the service, but to my knowledge this was not the case.
The rubbish was obviously collected at Tayuman and burnt there, instead of coming up with a better idea for disposable. The result was an absolute mess when I visited this time, one that was awefully mabahu :(

Brad

are you in sydney?....nice city...i was there last july last year ...how's the weather there now?....i kinda miss the place...

Hi,
Yep, I live in Sydney.
Thanks for the compliments on the city. How long were you here for? Was it a holiday.
The last few days have been quite warm and sunny, bit of a change to the heavy rain of early last week.
You miss and I miss there :lol: Wish I was back in Manila.

Brad

Brad,

Hi and Hellow.. Nice idea.. I really like the Southrail to have a 3rd rail although the 4th rail may not be realistic at this moment. You're right, the bulk of the revenue will come from freight business so to make sure that the freight trains runs smoothly it must have it own track. Very good idea! And also the benifit of this is that passenger trains can be freely operate in their own tracks....

WoS

Seperate freight lines is something being pushed for here.
While we have long had dedicated goods lines in the inner metro area, the trip through the suburbs north, west and south have long been a problem.
If the amount of freight traffic on the south line does not warrant the third line initially, perhaps it could also be used for express services with platforms only at more important locations (Paco and Alabang for instance).

Regards
Brad

I'm so happy about the surprising GDP results! wheel of steel, like you I believe infrastructure and economic growth are connected (although it's not our own original idea :D). When PNR completes the railway rehabilitation in the next 3-4 years, the economy will surely feel the positive effects. Not only the railways, but major airport projects, ports, and road infrastructure will definitely have a major effect on our GDP growth. :cheers:

Like I said before, I have a feeling the Philippines will be the next country to have tremendous growth like Vietnam, China, and India. We definitely have the potential to achieve high, sustainable growth. Let's just hope that the government is competent and will reach for that kind of growth.


^^ We definitely the next.... Thats reason why they are fastracking these projects since this will support the economy. Unlike Vietnam, has excellent railways and most tourist and passengers take trains for comfort and pleasure at at cheap fare and fast service. The Philippines is yet to expect the effect of the growing economy so we better startup now... Investors are very much sensitive since their decision lies on how the country can provide infrastructures and services to foreigners.

^^ I have search it in the Internet that the Yard in Caloocan was supposedly designed to built at FTI. That's why it is really a question that has to be answered now, where the hell is this FTI compound?...:

The whole FTI/Central station thing has me a tad confused.

From what I understand the FTI comound was originally a Imelda project for some food distribution area. I was told in Feb what FTI actually stood for, the 'F' being food IIRC.
I believe the branch into there did exist, but how much use it got is open to much debate. If it was used, it would have only been in the earlier days of its existence.
Certainly there is no real trace of where it left the mainline. It does appear in a street directoy I purchased in 2004, despite it even being long gone then.

Brad

^^ India and China, both have excellent infrastructures that grows really at a faster pace. I hope that we further increase our infrastructure spending to 10% of our GDP if we can... Our current is only 2.5%, about 2.5% lagged from our ASEAN average... But the government already said that they will make it at 5% this year and onwards to support the growing economy...

The whole FTI/Central station thing has me a tad confused.

From what I understand the FTI comound was originally a Imelda project for some food distribution area. I was told in Feb what FTI actually stood for, the 'F' being food IIRC.
I believe the branch into there did exist, but how much use it got is open to much debate. If it was used, it would have only been in the earlier days of its existence.
Certainly there is no real trace of where it left the mainline. It does appear in a street directoy I purchased in 2004, despite it even being long gone then.

Brad

Actually, I spend a lot of time looking for any trace of tracks and sharp curves on the GOOGLE EARTH on this FTI but unfortunately, none I could find. They use to call this as PNR compound.

^^ Once again, I suspect that this is the PNR Compound supposedly being planned to convert into a Central Station.. I hope so that this was the thing..

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1123/1228675709_cefc5a199a_o.jpg

^^ Locomotives that is still being use now by the PNR is still very usable... It only needs a total rehab then 100% energy back!!!:) I proposed that initial run of the proposed Hourly Legazpi-Naga Commuter train service would composed of PNR Locomotive and three existing cars (air-conditioned). What can you say guys? PWEDE DI BA? Anyway after say 5 years, they can replace it with newer ones...

Initial use of this sort of service would be feasable as a cheaper (carriages would need amazingly extensive overhauls, but this would be cheaper than new stuff) way of commencing the service.
It is true the locomotives are still usable, they are not that old. Indeed the 5000 class are younger or nearly the same age than most locomotives in Australia. Indeed many of our mainline locomotives are older than 902, some by around 15 years.
All that is required is a full overhaul of the operational and near-operational fleet and perhaps a rebuild of the ones currently listed as 'Beyond Economical Repair'. This can be done at a fraction of the cost of a new locomotive and give you a locomotive that will be more than up to the task.

Still I think any finance for the line to Bicol will already include new rollingstock. Shuttles between Naga and Legazpi will not be possible till the line is rebuilt, so it should be all in one package.
Sadly, once the railway is shut for rebuild this year I suspect there will be a push to scrap the bulk of the current rollingstock for money. This would include the CMC, CTC, 7A, 7B, 7C and 7E types.
What the PNR needs to be asked by a local is 'What will happen to the locomotives'. I also suspect that many may just be scrapped for money. The short term financial benefit of such a move will mean nothing compared to the massive ultimate waste when they could be used by PNR for freight.

Brad

Actually, I spend a lot of time looking for any trace of tracks and sharp curves on the GOOGLE EARTH on this FTI but unfortunately, none I could find. They use to call this as PNR compound.

Yeah I think all of it has been pretty much covered over. It was just a very short branch and would have been built to late to have been able to have resulted in it affecting the layout of the land there.
When I find my street directory I can explain to you exactly where it ran. This may help the search a bit. From memory it terminated on the north side of that PNR Compound.
A lack of railway timepermitted by the asawa has resulted in me not being able to visit the location yet.

Brad

Brad

^^ Once again, I suspect that this is the PNR Compound supposedly being planned to convert into a Central Station.. I hope so that this was the thing..

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1123/1228675709_cefc5a199a_o.jpg

OK I have found my map.


Firstly FTI is 'Food Terminals Inc' and was Imelda's food distribution project. From all reports it was a good idea, but as always was dumped by subsequent administrations.

Now to describe where the line went.

Look to the far left of the yellow box, where it is narrow and almost touches the South Superhighway.
Heading north from this narrow area you can see a winding road from the highway which becomes DBP Avenue after the roundabout sen bellow the narrow area of the yellow box.
Keep going north a little and you can see a straigh road heading east from the Highway.
This is Rambutan and Veterans Roads (very close together) and marks exactly where the branch joined the mainline south.
Look very closely and you can see a sort of triangle formed between the junction of Rambutan Road and the East Service Road and the large, rusty iron roofed looking sheds around where your yellow box gets wider.
On the north side of this large building you can see Veterans Road swing in from the north. The railway was right next to this road in this location and would be covered by the top yellow line.
This building is also called 'PNR Compound' but I think this would have just been for the loading of PNR boxcars and not a major PNR servicing type facility.
The branch terminated under your yellow line, approximately where the building with the red roof and the back and blue at the front is seen on the other side of Veterans Road and about 1/3 of the way to where Veterans Road starts to turn north arain at the east end of your yellow box.

Hope this all makes sense :lol:
Probably be worth a visit to the line by a local.

Brad

http://www.habitat.org.ph/portal/message_detail.php?message_id=101&PHPSESSID=00cf75fc8c147bedb3ce9eaf76ca5241

http://www.gov.ph/news/default.asp?i=17614

Did you notice if the turntable bridge was still there amongst the water? I only had a quick look from a distance and it looked like it was just the pit under that green murkiness.
Did you see if the bridge (rails where loco sat for turning) was still there?


Thanks
Brad

no more rails, only pit with stagnant water..

http://www.habitat.org.ph/portal/message_detail.php?message_id=101&PHPSESSID=00cf75fc8c147bedb3ce9eaf76ca5241

http://www.gov.ph/news/default.asp?i=17614

^^ Thank you so much for the links...

hope this helps to you...

map of fti area , taguig city..

http://file.uploadr.com/101df-embed

by the way yesterday there was fire incident in fti market.

no more rails, only pit with stagnant water..

Thanks for that mate. I wondered if the rails were gone.
I suppose it was sold for scrap value like anything else not needed anymore.

Brad

Here be the above map with the line included.

http://www.geocities.com/alcogoodwin/FTI_Map.jpg

Its pretty difficult to keep up with this thread... so are we focusing more on the Linkage project at this point?

I hope the enthusiasm here wouldn't wane when the Southrail rehab is in full swing and the Linkage project is almost done...

Its pretty difficult to keep up with this thread... so are we focusing more on the Linkage project at this point?

I hope the enthusiasm here wouldn't wane when the Southrail rehab is in full swing and the Linkage project is almost done...

^^ Yeah!!! Youre right, we must have always the enthusiasm for all of this especially if there is already progress in the construction for the Southrail 1A, Linkage 1 and Linkages 2... Visible projects are also the Northrail construction at Malolos....

Its pretty difficult to keep up with this thread... so are we focusing more on the Linkage project at this point?

I hope the enthusiasm here wouldn't wane when the Southrail rehab is in full swing and the Linkage project is almost done...

I think we should carry on the enthusiasm after Southrail is completed and on to the Batangas and Sta Cruz lines are built.
Then we should not be resting there, we should continue to push for a better rail system and ensure the new work does not go to ruin. We should fight for other lines, more frequent services and perhaps even the historical society in its goal to cover all that has come before now.
The PhilippineRailways Yahoogroup has been going since back in the days when railways looked like they may become extinct, so I can't see why it and this forum cannot continue on long after the new lines are opened.

Long live the 'Northrail-Southrail' thread :banana:

Brad

Wow whats happened?
Just got up to watch the Philippine news and check this thread for the latest chat. But there is nothing here :(
At least they just showed an ad for 'Home Along Da Riles' and that fake wooden locomotive front passing by :lol:

Brad

I think we should carry on the enthusiasm after Southrail is completed and on to the Batangas and Sta Cruz lines are built.
Then we should not be resting there, we should continue to push for a better rail system and ensure the new work does not go to ruin. We should fight for other lines, more frequent services and perhaps even the historical society in its goal to cover all that has come before now.
Brad

It would be great to see an official rail transport promotion group registered and set up in the Philippines to push for this sort of stuff. This sort of thing would certainly carry a bit more weight if ran properly alongside the rail operators instead of butting heads with them.
There is a lot of interest and positivity amongst the people of this forum and the main PhilippineRailways Yahoogroup (everyone here are welcome to join the Yahoogroup and share your ideas with others).
Together I feel we could work towards a first class railway system serving the Philippines.

Brad

^^ :banana: I always assume that the growth in infrastructure like railway projects is directly proportional to the growth in economy, that's why I posted this...:banana:

RPT - Philippines Q2 GDP up 7.5 pct yr-on-yr, fastest rise in 20 years - UPDATE

Thu, Aug 30 2007, 03:21 GMT
http://www.afxnews.com

MANILA (Thomson Financial) - The Philippine economy expanded by 7.5 percent in the second quarter from a year earlier, the fastest growth in two decades, President Gloria Arroyo said Thursday.

The growth exceeded the consensus estimate of 6.9 percent, based on a poll by Thomson IFR.

"We are confident of achieving our full-year growth target of 6.1-6.7 percent," Arroyo told reporters at a briefing on the data.

The growth rate also beat forecasts by both government economic managers and the private sector.

Growth for the period was fuelled largely by the services sector which rose 8.4 percent on an annualised basis.

Industrial output grew 8.0 percent from the previous year.

Agriculture output, which makes up a fifth of the country's gross domestic product grew 3.9 percent, despite a dry spell.

Given the robust second quarter growth, Economic Planning Secretary Augusto Santos said there is a good chance of exceeding the government's 2007 full-year growth forecast.

"Hitting 7.0 percent is not impossible. We don't expect any slowdown in the second half, we may even exceed the target."

that is good news.... yun pala ang nakita ko sa tv this morning ....gma na nagtaray sa reporter....na nde maniwala sa 7.5 growth natin....we have been so used to the poor performance of the previous administration that when we hear...good things like this...nde tayo makapaniwala....well...the sacrifice that gma made on her popularity is now bearing fruit....it would only be fair ...that we give the credit to her and her economic managers...good work mrs. president...

I'm so happy about the surprising GDP results! wheel of steel, like you I believe infrastructure and economic growth are connected (although it's not our own original idea :D). When PNR completes the railway rehabilitation in the next 3-4 years, the economy will surely feel the positive effects. Not only the railways, but major airport projects, ports, and road infrastructure will definitely have a major effect on our GDP growth. :cheers:

Like I said before, I have a feeling the Philippines will be the next country to have tremendous growth like Vietnam, China, and India. We definitely have the potential to achieve high, sustainable growth. Let's just hope that the government is competent and will reach for that kind of growth.

can't believe you compared us with vietnam....they are decades behind us...althoug their economy is growing 7.5 lately...vs our 6.5 ave.....they are way behind us....

Hi,
Yep, I live in Sydney.
Thanks for the compliments on the city. How long were you here for? Was it a holiday.
The last few days have been quite warm and sunny, bit of a change to the heavy rain of early last week.
You miss and I miss there :lol: Wish I was back in Manila.

Brad

i was there only for a week...so i really...tried to squeeze everything...going to the opera house.....to the park and the gov't house near it...your parliament, the library and the catholic church near hyde park and the museums...good for me i was staying at the four seasons...so it was near everything...i even manage to cross the bridge on foot and back...the observatory...and your sort of baywalk..where there is an imax theater...can't remember the name...and better still...the weather was at 8-12 degree centigrade...so i got to taste of the sydney fog....a nice experience for me.....

i was there only for a week...so i really...tried to squeeze everything...going to the opera house.....to the park and the gov't house near it...your parliament, the library and the catholic church near hyde park and the museums...good for me i was staying at the four seasons...so it was near everything...i even manage to cross the bridge on foot and back...the observatory...and your sort of baywalk..where there is an imax theater...can't remember the name...and better still...the weather was at 8-12 degree centigrade...so i got to taste of the sydney fog....a nice experience for me.....


You probably saw more of Sydney in that week than us Sydneysiers see in many years :lol:

That Baywalk area you mention is Darling Harbour. I do a lot of work there at the many exhibitions.
I suppose it is a similar concept to the former Manila Baywalk, but the Manila one was far more entertaining. Darling Harbour may be attractive, but it is all very dry compared to the old Baywalk which will be greatly missed.

If your ever back here give me a yell. We will throw on a karaoki night :cheers:

Brad

can't believe you compared us with vietnam....they are decades behind us...althoug their economy is growing 7.5 lately...vs our 6.5 ave.....they are way behind us....

Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia were all behind us as well. But their sustained growth managed to put them past the Philippines.

I'm comparing the Philippines to the tremendous sustained growth of China and Vietnam, not the size of the economy itself. I'm comparing the amount of FDI they receive every year and the economic momentum that they have because of it. To say that you're in disbelief that I compared the Philippines to Vietnam is a little bit condescending. Even though the Philippines is enjoying a very high growth for the 1st half, let's not rest in our laurels and look down on "smaller economies", especially one that has been enjoying a high growth for quite a while. According to some analysts, Vietnam will pass us as early as 2025.

Now, like I said, I believe that the Philippines is the next country to achieve sustained high growth like China and Vietnam (note for those who can't read: I'm not saying Vietnam's economy is as big as our economy right now, nor am I saying our economy is as big as China's). Let's just be happy if that happens. Let's not be concerned with whether we're ahead of so and so country.

Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia were all behind us as well. But their sustained growth managed to put them past the Philippines.

I'm comparing the Philippines to the tremendous sustained growth of China and Vietnam, not the size of the economy itself. I'm comparing the amount of FDI they receive every year and the economic momentum that they have because of it. To say that you're in disbelief that I compared the Philippines to Vietnam is a little bit condescending. Even though the Philippines is enjoying a very high growth for the 1st half, let's not rest in our laurels and look down on "smaller economies", especially one that has been enjoying a high growth for quite a while. According to some analysts, Vietnam will pass us as early as 2025.

Now, like I said, I believe that the Philippines is the next country to achieve sustained high growth like China and Vietnam (note for those who can't read: I'm not saying Vietnam's economy is as big as our economy right now, nor am I saying our economy is as big as China's). Let's just be happy if that happens. Let's not be concerned with whether we're ahead of so and so country.


^^ Filipino kac mahilig magpahinga pag may kinita na. But this tym no more rest muna, I think up to 2030 the least. We have to look for a measures to sustain this growth...

I bet you, Vietnam really lag us now in terms of infrastructure...:lol: That's not a joke, it's reality. We have to be hurt by this news in order to learn. These nation is very silent. Just like M.Jordan, "Just Do It". You won't notice Vietnam but all of a sudden... BULAGA!!!..

^^ Ive posted this since infrastructure projects is directly proportional to the economic growth...

^^ Filipino kac mahilig magpahinga pag may kinita na. But this tym no more rest muna, I think up to 2030 the least. We have to look for a measures to sustain this growth...

I bet you, Vietnam really lag us now in terms of infrastructure...:lol: That's not a joke, it's reality. We have to be hurt by this news in order to learn.
^^ Ive posted this since infrastructure projects is directly proportional to the economic growth...

The Philippine news channel is full of news on the economy today. Things are looking very bright, which is really good news.
Poor Gloria got a bit hot headed when one reporter sort of indirectly accused them of lying :)
This is all very good news and yes other ideas for sustaining this growth must be investigated and carried out. Right now they are saying that cutting down on corruption and improving tax collection will really be a huge boost for this effort.
Corruption reduction would be a massive, MASSIVE job. Imagine how hard it would be to reduce police corruption alone and ensure fines are officially issued and money not just going into pockets via bribes. This sort of money alone could be used to rebuild the railways of the Philippines given the disregard for road rules.
Its a shame Philippine rules mean that Gloria must stand down at the end of this term. She is one Filipina with enough guts to carry it through.

Brad

The Philippine news channel is full of news on the economy today. Things are looking very bright, which is really good news.
Poor Gloria got a bit hot headed when one reporter sort of indirectly accused them of lying :)
This is all very good news and yes other ideas for sustaining this growth must be investigated and carried out. Right now they are saying that cutting down on corruption and improving tax collection will really be a huge boost for this effort.
Corruption reduction would be a massive, MASSIVE job. Imagine how hard it would be to reduce police corruption alone and ensure fines are officially issued and money not just going into pockets via bribes. This sort of money alone could be used to rebuild the railways of the Philippines given the disregard for road rules.
Its a shame Philippine rules mean that Gloria must stand down at the end of this term. She is one Filipina with enough guts to carry it through.

Brad


^^ That's true Brad, everything here is talking about our good economy forecast. We must really improved and sustained this rise although there might be some weak months but the most important thing is that the reforms are proven to be good for economy. The next thing the government will do is to tackle further reforms to further developed our economy. Reforms in infrastructure, let say for NorthRail and SouthRail Projects, where bulk of the budget was focused on. This will create so many jobs for the next 10 years let say. This will also the greatest oppurtunity to attract foreign direct investments. Railway projects are indeed one of the best solution for the growing economy....

Got some photos from flickr.com

Near Pandacan
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5232/z1mu8.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/285/z3ds3.jpg

Tutuban
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1356/z2xi7.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8150/z4ja1.jpg

Divisoria
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3191/z5lc1.jpg

Vito Cruz-Sn.Andres, Manila
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3913/z6tp7.jpg

Not really sure if the "Pabahay sa Riles" obstructs the ROW of PNR...

^^ I hope the fence of the Northrail and Southrail be like this... Economical and yet strong. The thieft will not get anything out of it... :lol: Check this out... This photo was taken from Subic Clark Tarlac Xway Thread....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1116/1088279549_bde1ca9703.jpg?v=0

I think this is the type of fencing is used along SLEX (as I saw it on the eastern side), from Bicutan, to the SLEX toll plaza, to Magallanes, Makati City.

It looks economical, durable and easy to maintain...

Hey! Sup guys? It's been awhile since I last posted in Rail Threads. :)

Wheel: Thanks for your help. :)

Got some photos from flickr.com


Divisoria
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3191/z5lc1.jpg


Not really sure if the "Pabahay sa Riles" obstructs the ROW of PNR...

Thanks for sharing the pics.
The port line looks to still be in reasonable condition assuming this is a more recent pic. This is certainly a line that also needs looking at for upgrading and double tracking for the freight increase.

Brad

Thanks for sharing the pics.
The port line looks to still be in reasonable condition assuming this is a more recent pic. This is certainly a line that also needs looking at for upgrading and double tracking for the freight increase.

Brad

^^ Yeah, excellent condition of the railway port line. That's the advantage having the railroad sandwitch with the road or running in the middle of the avenues. No squatters can stay within the side of the tracks...

^^ Definitely this line must also be rebuilt. This is the only way to connect port into the mainline. Mainline North and Mainline South are already fine after the clearing is completed. The PNR must also look for those old lines specially the spur lines. We have no option but to repossess this since these lines connects major cities like Batangas and Cabanatuan....

this is my photos along laong laan to espana... updates of demolition

http://file.uploadr.com/10241-embed

what can u say dude...

http://file.uploadr.com/10243-embed

demolition ...........whoooooooooohhhhhhhooooooooo

http://file.uploadr.com/10244-embed

o aus ba? >"< :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :lol: :lol: :lol:

o e2 pa, im not yet finished..

^^ Definitely this line must also be rebuilt. This is the only way to connect port into the mainline. Mainline North and Mainline South are already fine after the clearing is completed. The PNR must also look for those old lines specially the spur lines. We have no option but to repossess this since these lines connects major cities like Batangas and Cabanatuan....

It is funny that the two existing branches really don't get mention in any of the plans. The Carmona line only got mentioned in a rebuild map by the 'World Bank'.
The port line would have to be a priority project yet still nothing is said.
Watched a program on the proposed major works and developments at Manila port but even these plans didn't make mention of rail access.

Brad

this is my photos along laong laan to espana... updates of demolition



Great stuff Nathan.
Man there really isnt much room still between rail and buildings, It gives the remaining houses a great railway view though :lol:

I remember the location in the first shot. What a change.

Thanks again for sharing these all the time.

Brad

this is my photos along laong laan to espana... updates of demolition

http://file.uploadr.com/10241-embed

what can u say dude...

http://file.uploadr.com/10243-embed

demolition ...........whoooooooooohhhhhhhooooooooo

http://file.uploadr.com/10244-embed

o aus ba? >"< :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :lol: :lol: :lol:

o e2 pa, im not yet finished..

^^ ha ha ha!!! :lol: Ok na ok... Yan ang sinasabing update...!!! Ayos!!!

^^ Great photos by kaelthas.... Nice photos.... At least mayron ng changes... Sooner or later, magsisi na yang mga yan mga natira sa gilid... ha ha ha!!! Akala nila pabahay pa yan... Ngek!!!! Mga Bwisit!!! :lol: :banana:

continuation !! share ko to all...

**VIDEO UPDATES ** :cheers: :cheers: ^^ ^^


again this is going to espana from laong laan
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this is from laong laan
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this is along vito cruz going buendia..harhar..:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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^^ Ano cila, siniswerte.. Pareho lang silang nga squatter dyan... The same!!!! :lol:

^^ Nasa core properties daw cila?... You can see, they are totally eyesore... My first impression is that it is all the same than the shanties. BTW, I congratulate!!!! those squatters volunteered to transfer.. Ok kayo mga pre, salamat naway mamuhay kayo ng normal sa mga resettlement areas... At sa mga di nakakaintinde, better packed up and just leave for the mercy of all Filipino People...

Any idea how they got about the demolition of these places? Many a pretty well built and would not be an easy job.
I wonder if the demo guys find themselves any interesting souveniers during this work. Things no doubt get left behind.

Brad

Any idea how they got about the demolition of these places? Many a pretty well built and would not be an easy job.
I wonder if the demo guys find themselves any interesting souveniers during this work. Things no doubt get left behind.

Brad

theres always the bakal boys or scavenger of steels from reinfored concrete that were demolished

^^ Nice Video Nathan....:banana: :banana: :lol: :lol: Many Thanks.... The last video Nathan is the most beautiful video...

theres always the bakal boys or scavenger of steels from reinfored concrete that were demolished

^^ Ah the Bakal Boys, hmmm... that's their industry...:lol: to sell the scrap and convert it into bucks... hhmmmm Not Bad!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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this is along vito cruz going buendia..harhar..:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Loved the YouTubes to.
Train had quite a speded up on those old tracks in the Buendia one. Looks like he even managed to overtake that bus.

Yeaaahhhaaa PNR-1 Bus-0 :lol:

Regards
Brad
** Asawa has fallen asleep on the lounge while watching a Philo movie that looks to be about the lahar (spell?) areas after Mt Pinutubo erupted.

^^ @ Nathan, Please Please post this in the You Tube as Philippine National Railways, so that the whole world will be stumbled and be surprised that the our railroad here is nice.. Many Thanks!!!:banana:

theres always the bakal boys or scavenger of steels from reinfored concrete that were demolished

Suppose you will get that at the prices paid for steel.

Not sure if I have mentioned this before, but in Indonesia there was a lot of steam locomotives stored for preservation.
One day a railway guy found them all stripped of as metal as possible by thieves.
They were thus beyond restoration and, to everyone horror, just scrapped.

Sad. Thanksfully a similar fate has not been felt by the remaining three MRR locos.

Brad

^^ Ah!!! hmmm... It looks like the train is running faster now... About 50-60kph, not bad.... but excellent!!! My first time Ive seen PNR Trains running this speed in Metro Manila... Here in Albay, near crossing PNR, trains travels at 70kph...

^^ @ Nathan, Please Please post this in the You Tube as Philippine National Railways, so that the whole world will be stumbled and be surprised that the our railroad here is nice.. Many Thanks!!!:banana:


Yep, this makes them so much easier to find.
I have mentioned them on the PhilippineRailway chat so you should get bulk visitors in the next 24 hours.

Brad

^^ Ah!!! hmmm... It looks like the train is running faster now... About 50-60kph, not bad.... but excellent!!! My first time Ive seen PNR Trains running this speed in Metro Manila... Here in Albay, near crossing PNR, trains travels at 70kph...

I think Nathan was having trouble standing and videoing in the first one with the train speed and track condition around Laon Laan.
It takes a special talent to be able to do all that without falling off the train :lol:

Onya Nathan, you are a champion getting all this stuff. Thanks

Yep, this makes them so much easier to find.
I have mentioned them on the PhilippineRailway chat so you should get bulk visitors in the next 24 hours.

Brad

^^ Yap! dat's right, at least we have clear and nice view railroad... The world will really appreciate us of what were doing in our railroad system here.

Yep, this makes them so much easier to find.
I have mentioned them on the PhilippineRailway chat so you should get bulk visitors in the next 24 hours.

Brad

kk:cheers:... "cause tonight we dine in hell"...
by: king Leonidas of 300 hahaha

Didn't take long to get to 500 posts this time.
Probably have 'Northrail-Southrail Thread IV' by the middle of September :lol:

Brad

I think Nathan was having trouble standing and videoing in the first one with the train speed and track condition around Laon Laan.
It takes a special talent to be able to do all that without falling off the train :lol:

Onya Nathan, you are a champion getting all this stuff. Thanks

^^ Infact he's getting more tougher now!! hmm... great student!!!

^^ I think we can avoid the severe movement if we use the small video cam. In that way we can properly hold the camera and suspend it as if it only stays permanent...

^^ :lol: ha ha ha!!! Things are getting so much exciting now here in our very own Northrail Southrail Thread !! ehem.... Ok, perfect site for future Philippine Railway Fan club... ha ha ha!!! :lol:

^^ :banana: Only for tommorrow, we can reach at 35th thread... hmmm who knows? simply because the posts here comes form deep in our heart... :banana:

^^ @ Nathan, Please Please post this in the You Tube as Philippine National Railways, so that the whole world will be stumbled and be surprised that the our railroad here is nice.. Many Thanks!!!:banana:

i dont know.. pano ba? sa title?

^^ It's really time to show to world that we are really really dead serious about the Philippine Railway Modernization and Philippine Historical Society Preservation.. This thread alone is already a lot evidence that there are a lot of Filipinos, Australians, Chinese and other Nationalities involved here shows desire and enthusiams and sympathy to revive the ones they called Philippines Iron Silk....

i dont know.. pano ba? sa title?

^^ Philippine National Railways, ok na... Naiingit kasi ako sa neighbors natin, masyadong modern pati na ang sa Vietnam at Thailand and they have a lot of Youtube videos ... Sa atin, hu hu hu, meron din pero isa plus yung sa iyo.!!!! hmmm....

^^ Hindi na ciguro me maiingit, hmmm.... kasi mas magaling tayo sa kanila by 2010!!!!:lol: Sure dudes!!! Trust me on this......:banana:

bkit gnon? i change na the title, but when i type Philippine National Railways at the search engine of youtube, wla lumalabas...

Suppose you will get that at the prices paid for steel.

Not sure if I have mentioned this before, but in Indonesia there was a lot of steam locomotives stored for preservation.
One day a railway guy found them all stripped of as metal as possible by thieves.
They were thus beyond restoration and, to everyone horror, just scrapped.

Sad. Thanksfully a similar fate has not been felt by the remaining three MRR locos.

Brad

did u know brad y only a few are left in our steam engines?... becos mc arthur the great ordred the destruction of all during b4 the Japs invade us here in 1942.. i read it in the book, i will scan it when i find it again.

i recently had a dream a few nights ago. my dream was set 15 years into the future. my dream was like this, Tutuban Mall was demolished, in its place stand a new and world-class railway station, named Manila Central Railway Station. the design of this station is really modern, mostly made of glass and steel. around its vicinity are office buildings, residential buildings, event venues etc. similar to the KL Sentral.

all northbound and southbound trains, both HSL and commuter terminate here. on the basement level 2 is the station of Manila MRT Line 2(in my dream all LRT lines in Metro Manila are called MRT, mostly underground and LRTA changed its name to MRTAM or Mass Rail Transit Authority of Manila). its platforms are fitted with Platform Screen Doors.

on the basement level 1 is the platform level of the Airport Express Maglev. its platform are also fitted with PSDs.

on the ground level is the concourse level/public area. ticket vending machines for the MRT, commuter rail lines, airport maglev and HSLs are located here. one of the in-city check-in facility of DMIA is also located on this level, the other in-city check-in facility located in a dedicated airport maglev station in Makati.

on the second level are the platforms for the southbound trains. the southbound express high speed line uses brand new shinkansen trains. the southbound rapid regional line uses Siemens Desiro Trains. the southbound commuter line meanwhile uses brand new trains that is in use in KCR East Rail presently (the refurbished Metro Camell trains).

on the third level are the platforms for the northbound trains. the northbound express high speed line uses brand new Siemens Velaro Trains. the nouthbound rapid regional line uses Siemens Desiro trains. the northbound commuter line meanwhile uses brand new rolling stock that is being used presently in KCR West Rail.

leaving the station, there is an elevated viaduct. on the upper deck are all northbound lines while all southbound lines are on the lower deck. let me point out that the rapid regional lines share the same tracks with the commuter lines, the high speed lines have dedicated tracks.

after tayuman station, the southbound lines then take a right turn, crossing Avenida Rizal then continues along the old PNR southbound ROW. in Binan station, another commuter line starts from here going to tagaytay, it uses trains that are being used by southbound commuter line in my dream. the southbound commuter line will end at a new station in Calamba, at this point the high speed line and rapid regional line will continue up to Matnog. also the railway will be partly elevated and partly tunneled from Calamba up to Matnog, then another spur line will start at the Santo Tomas, Batangas station. It will terminate in Batangas City. i will also note that all stations here are elevated.

the northbound lines meanwhile will follow the old Manila-Dagupan railway ROW. at the malolos station, a rapid regional line will start from here and will terminate at Tuguegarao. it will use Siemens Desiro Trains too. The high speed line will also split from here going to tuguegarao. the northbound commuter line will at Clark, from this point the rapid regional line and the high speed line will continue up to Pagudpud. It will be partly elevated and partly tunneled. it will split again in Rosario, La Union to go to Baguio.

the commuter lines will follow the concept of the KCR. it will be operated by a company named Manila Commuter Railway Corporation. the commuter lines will be called MCR North Rail and MCR South Rail. the rail line that branches off at Binan station will be named MCR Tagaytay Rail.

the high speed lines and rapid regional lines will be operated by PNR.

to protect the railways from thieves, a steel fence with barbed wires and high voltage electricity will be erected.

in case of massive blackouts, generators generating 80 MW all will provide back-up power.

y u will demolish the historical building?? historical buildings hndi malalaos, but modern buildings after 15 yrs, lets see, laos na mga designs, bcos by that time mkakaisip na ang tao ng ibang types ng building construction

haha amazing dream ,sna mayaman pilpinas..=)

^^ :lol: ha ha ha!!! Things are getting so much exciting now here in our very own Northrail Southrail Thread !! ehem.... Ok, perfect site for future Philippine Railway Fan club... ha ha ha!!! :lol:

I have long toyed with the idea of a newsletter for people interested in the railways of the Philippines.
While our e-zine covers it a lot, I think a devoted newsletter would be a great idea. Especially if it included current day and historical items of interest.
One is planned when the PRHS is up and running. No doubt I will be charged with editorship :)

Brad

^^ :banana: Only for tommorrow, we can reach at 35th thread... hmmm who knows? simply because the posts here comes form deep in our heart... :banana:

To right.
You can feel the passion behind those who post here. I don't think I have been on a similar forum with this many posts.
The best thing about it is that people are friendly enough to accept it when things stray a little off topic. I love that in a chat group and run all mine the same way.
35th thread??? I say lets go for it :lol:

Brad

^^ It's really time to show to world that we are really really dead serious about the Philippine Railway Modernization and Philippine Historical Society Preservation.. This thread alone is already a lot evidence that there are a lot of Filipinos, Australians, Chinese and other Nationalities involved here shows desire and enthusiams and sympathy to revive the ones they called Philippines Iron Silk....

Perhaps the newsletter proposed for the PRHS can be used both as the society newsletter and as a way to convey support for the modernization of the railways. It is done elsewhere.
My greatest hope is that the PRHS will be taken very seriously by the government and the various railway operators.
Beyond Filipinos, Australians and Chinese, I can tell you that I am in contact with people from New Zealand, America and Europe who are also strongly behind this revival of Philippine railways. Excitment over these developments is truly a worldwide thing.

Brad

did u know brad y only a few are left in our steam engines?... becos mc arthur the great ordred the destruction of all during b4 the Japs invade us here in 1942.. i read it in the book, i will scan it when i find it again.


Please do scan it when you find it.
I suppose his reasoning was to prevent the Japanese using the steam locos in their efforts to win.
Sadly back in those days very little thought was given to preservaion of such historical items, afterall the steam loco did not seem to likely disappear back then.
Macarthur may have thought it was a sound decision, but it is a loss of important items that we can't ever replace.
Scary thing is that such a loss may soon happen in the diesel era if acton is not taken to save them soon.

Brad

y u will demolish the historical building?? historical buildings hndi malalaos, but modern buildings after 15 yrs, lets see, laos na mga designs, bcos by that time mkakaisip na ang tao ng ibang types ng building construction

haha amazing dream ,sna mayaman pilpinas..=)

Yeah.
While there was some interesting and futuristic ideas in your dream, I will be the first to chain myself to the bulldozer they try to destroy the original Tutuban station.
In my dreams I would like to see the shopping centre ripped out and the original station returned to its rightfully duties. From here eight platforms, all on the same level could serve the exact services you dream of.

Manila deserves a beautiful and grand station. It had one once, but now you go buy clothes and food there.

The problem with high voltage fences, while seeming a good idea, would turn into a disaster should a major derailment occur. If the carriages come into contact, or if emerency help is delayed until the fence is turned off, then the outcome could be very tragic indeed.

Brad

continuation !! share ko to all...

**VIDEO UPDATES ** :cheers: :cheers: ^^ ^^


again this is going to espana from laong laan
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this is from laong laan
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this is along vito cruz going buendia..harhar..:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
d_3wRCTy4Bc

Great videos, man!:) :) :) :) :)

i recently had a dream a few nights ago. my dream was set 15 years into the future. my dream was like this, Tutuban Mall was demolished, in its place stand a new and world-class railway station, named Manila Central Railway Station. the design of this station is really modern, mostly made of glass and steel. around its vicinity are office buildings, residential buildings, event venues etc. similar to the KL Sentral.

all northbound and southbound trains, both HSL and commuter terminate here. on the basement level 2 is the station of Manila MRT Line 2(in my dream all LRT lines in Metro Manila are called MRT, mostly underground and LRTA changed its name to MRTAM or Mass Rail Transit Authority of Manila). its platforms are fitted with Platform Screen Doors.

on the basement level 1 is the platform level of the Airport Express Maglev. its platform are also fitted with PSDs.

on the ground level is the concourse level/public area. ticket vending machines for the MRT, commuter rail lines, airport maglev and HSLs are located here. one of the in-city check-in facility of DMIA is also located on this level, the other in-city check-in facility located in a dedicated airport maglev station in Makati.

on the second level are the platforms for the southbound trains. the southbound express high speed line uses brand new shinkansen trains. the southbound rapid regional line uses Siemens Desiro Trains. the southbound commuter line meanwhile uses brand new trains that is in use in KCR East Rail presently (the refurbished Metro Camell trains).

on the third level are the platforms for the northbound trains. the northbound express high speed line uses brand new Siemens Velaro Trains. the nouthbound rapid regional line uses Siemens Desiro trains. the northbound commuter line meanwhile uses brand new rolling stock that is being used presently in KCR West Rail.

leaving the station, there is an elevated viaduct. on the upper deck are all northbound lines while all southbound lines are on the lower deck. let me point out that the rapid regional lines share the same tracks with the commuter lines, the high speed lines have dedicated tracks.

after tayuman station, the southbound lines then take a right turn, crossing Avenida Rizal then continues along the old PNR southbound ROW. in Binan station, another commuter line starts from here going to tagaytay, it uses trains that are being used by southbound commuter line in my dream. the southbound commuter line will end at a new station in Calamba, at this point the high speed line and rapid regional line will continue up to Matnog. also the railway will be partly elevated and partly tunneled from Calamba up to Matnog, then another spur line will start at the Santo Tomas, Batangas station. It will terminate in Batangas City. i will also note that all stations here are elevated.

the northbound lines meanwhile will follow the old Manila-Dagupan railway ROW. at the malolos station, a rapid regional line will start from here and will terminate at Tuguegarao. it will use Siemens Desiro Trains too. The high speed line will also split from here going to tuguegarao. the northbound commuter line will at Clark, from this point the rapid regional line and the high speed line will continue up to Pagudpud. It will be partly elevated and partly tunneled. it will split again in Rosario, La Union to go to Baguio.

the commuter lines will follow the concept of the KCR. it will be operated by a company named Manila Commuter Railway Corporation. the commuter lines will be called MCR North Rail and MCR South Rail. the rail line that branches off at Binan station will be named MCR Tagaytay Rail.

the high speed lines and rapid regional lines will be operated by PNR.

to protect the railways from thieves, a steel fence with barbed wires and high voltage electricity will be erected.

in case of massive blackouts, generators generating 80 MW all will provide back-up power.

So YOU were the guy I saw in MY dream!

Great videos, man!:) :) :) :) :)

tnx man, anyway more updates nx wk, i wil try to go to alabang again and see wats the progress, ithe problem is, i wil also update the words that i write on my thesis book, sigghhh...

Great videos, man!:) :) :) :) :)

Yep, thankfully he is our man on the scene in Manila. We are lucky to have him doing all this.
Actually just saw the one as you are arriving at Espana. So much accomplished.

Brad
** Still watching that movie about the people stuck in the lahar village after Pinutubo. What a terrible thing those people went through.
A VERY sad movie :( but despite not being able to understand it, it is a way to learn more about what it was like.
I wish that no Filipino would have to go through that ever again.

Yep, thankfully he is our man on the scene in Manila. We are lucky to have him doing all this.
Actually just saw the one as you are arriving at Espana. So much accomplished.

Brad
** Still watching that movie about the people stuck in the lahar village after Pinutubo. What a terrible thing those people went through.
A VERY sad movie :( but despite not being able to understand it, it is a way to learn more about what it was like.
I wish that no Filipino would have to go through that ever again.


^^ GOOD MORNING GUYS!!!! Am steel sleepy guys. Anyway about the videos, excellent already and I am satisfied with the developments along Espanya and Laon Laan though the Pabahay sa Riles still there. Anyway, as long as we can start the project soon the better.

tnx man, anyway more updates nx wk, i wil try to go to alabang again and see wats the progress, ithe problem is, i wil also update the words that i write on my thesis book, sigghhh...

^^ Tha't part of being tough Nathan...:lol: Because you will also end up with a very very well done thesis. Your contribution to this thread is also a big help for those who wants to know about the railway developments in our country. It is also a big boost to your self-confidence. Keep on going Nathan, sabi nga ni V.P. "mahaba pa ang riles at marami pa tayong dapat gawin"..

^^ GOOD MORNING GUYS!!!! Am steel sleepy guys. Anyway about the videos, excellent already and I am satisfied with the developments along Espanya and Laon Laan though the Pabahay sa Riles still there. Anyway, as long as we can start the project soon the better.

Morning from "Down Under' as well guys.
Finally dragged myelf out of bed after a very late night watching Philo movies. Nope can't understand them, but you can usually follow along and the second one had enough Taglish to keep me going :)
Got nothing railway to mention. Just thought I would check in with the group before heading up to the garage to work on the PNR model railway for the day and look for a location to put all the recently acquired Tanduay signage (thanks to a returning friend).

Best wishes
Brad

^^ Tha't part of being tough Nathan...:lol: Because you will also end up with a very very well done thesis. Your contribution to this thread is also a big help for those who wants to know about the railway developments in our country. It is also a big boost to your self-confidence. Keep on going Nathan, sabi nga ni V.P. "mahaba pa ang riles at marami pa tayong dapat gawin"..

I for one would love to see the results of his thesis when completed.

Over the years I have had many requests from stdents looking for information on the PNR for their thesis. Had a few people from Baguio contact me as well.
There is obviously wide spread interest.

On te subject of Baguio, there was a documentart on the Philo Channel two days ago about the Benguet Road. Original plans for a line to Baguio were that the tracks would be laid on the bed of this road.

Cheers
Brad

I for one would love to see the results of his thesis when completed.

Over the years I have had many requests from stdents looking for information on the PNR for their thesis. Had a few people from Baguio contact me as well.
There is obviously wide spread interest.

On te subject of Baguio, there was a documentart on the Philo Channel two days ago about the Benguet Road. Original plans for a line to Baguio were that the tracks would be laid on the bed of this road.

Cheers
Brad

^^ It would really mean that this Benguet Road is not winding considering that railroads should be straight as much as possible. Nice if they had originally planned for a Baguio Line. Revival of this plan would encourage so much investors, who knows probably if there is totally a big need to set up a railway there. I think it is very feasible since Baguio City is the largest city North of Manila, although this one considered as the Summer Capital of the Philippines.

^^ The design for this line should be invoved the tunnel concepts in order to get up. Baguio City is at 5000ft above sea level, so best engineering concept will be playing around. They would have maintain the grade, I think the minimum was 2.5%, so for that height of 5000ft, 2.5% of that is 200,000ft. So it would require at least 200,000fr or at least 60km length of railroad from sea level to maintain a comfortable ride....

i recently had a dream a few nights ago. my dream was set 15 years into the future. my dream was like this, Tutuban Mall was demolished, in its place stand a new and world-class railway station, named Manila Central Railway Station. the design of this station is really modern, mostly made of glass and steel. around its vicinity are office buildings, residential buildings, event venues etc. similar to the KL Sentral.

all northbound and southbound trains, both HSL and commuter terminate here. on the basement level 2 is the station of Manila MRT Line 2(in my dream all LRT lines in Metro Manila are called MRT, mostly underground and LRTA changed its name to MRTAM or Mass Rail Transit Authority of Manila). its platforms are fitted with Platform Screen Doors.

on the basement level 1 is the platform level of the Airport Express Maglev. its platform are also fitted with PSDs.

on the ground level is the concourse level/public area. ticket vending machines for the MRT, commuter rail lines, airport maglev and HSLs are located here. one of the in-city check-in facility of DMIA is also located on this level, the other in-city check-in facility located in a dedicated airport maglev station in Makati.

on the second level are the platforms for the southbound trains. the southbound express high speed line uses brand new shinkansen trains. the southbound rapid regional line uses Siemens Desiro Trains. the southbound commuter line meanwhile uses brand new trains that is in use in KCR East Rail presently (the refurbished Metro Camell trains).

on the third level are the platforms for the northbound trains. the northbound express high speed line uses brand new Siemens Velaro Trains. the nouthbound rapid regional line uses Siemens Desiro trains. the northbound commuter line meanwhile uses brand new rolling stock that is being used presently in KCR West Rail.

leaving the station, there is an elevated viaduct. on the upper deck are all northbound lines while all southbound lines are on the lower deck. let me point out that the rapid regional lines share the same tracks with the commuter lines, the high speed lines have dedicated tracks.

after tayuman station, the southbound lines then take a right turn, crossing Avenida Rizal then continues along the old PNR southbound ROW. in Binan station, another commuter line starts from here going to tagaytay, it uses trains that are being used by southbound commuter line in my dream. the southbound commuter line will end at a new station in Calamba, at this point the high speed line and rapid regional line will continue up to Matnog. also the railway will be partly elevated and partly tunneled from Calamba up to Matnog, then another spur line will start at the Santo Tomas, Batangas station. It will terminate in Batangas City. i will also note that all stations here are elevated.

the northbound lines meanwhile will follow the old Manila-Dagupan railway ROW. at the malolos station, a rapid regional line will start from here and will terminate at Tuguegarao. it will use Siemens Desiro Trains too. The high speed line will also split from here going to tuguegarao. the northbound commuter line will at Clark, from this point the rapid regional line and the high speed line will continue up to Pagudpud. It will be partly elevated and partly tunneled. it will split again in Rosario, La Union to go to Baguio.

the commuter lines will follow the concept of the KCR. it will be operated by a company named Manila Commuter Railway Corporation. the commuter lines will be called MCR North Rail and MCR South Rail. the rail line that branches off at Binan station will be named MCR Tagaytay Rail.

the high speed lines and rapid regional lines will be operated by PNR.

to protect the railways from thieves, a steel fence with barbed wires and high voltage electricity will be erected.

in case of massive blackouts, generators generating 80 MW all will provide back-up power.


^^ Thanks a lot.... Nice Vision.... If you could use a map and draw the lines, maybe we can have it redrawn and post it here...
^^

^^ The design for this line should be invoved the tunnel concepts in order to get up. Baguio City is at 5000ft above sea level, so best engineering concept will be playing around. They would have maintain the grade, I think the minimum was 2.5%, so for that height of 5000ft, 2.5% of that is 200,000ft. So it would require at least 200,000fr or at least 60km length of railroad from sea level to maintain a comfortable ride....

There were two proposals for a line to Baguio, with the second propsal actually started.
FWIU it was to use rack locos (these were obtained before the project was abandoned) on heavily graded ROW.
I have more info here in a book. I can look up more points on it during th week if your interested.

Brad

^^ It would really mean that this Benguet Road is not winding considering that railroads should be straight as much as possible. Nice if they had originally planned for a Baguio Line. Revival of this plan would encourage so much investors, who knows probably if there is totally a big need to set up a railway there. I think it is very feasible since Baguio City is the largest city North of Manila, although this one considered as the Summer Capital of the Philippines.

I think the proposal would have mean't a very slow and curved (heavily) railway up through the Banguet Road formation. It may well have been a isolated line of a narrower gauge.
For all intents and purposes the second proposal, the one that was started, would likely have also been pretty much an isolated operation.

Brad

I think the proposal would have mean't a very slow and curved (heavily) railway up through the Banguet Road formation. It may well have been a isolated line of a narrower gauge.
For all intents and purposes the second proposal, the one that was started, would likely have also been pretty much an isolated operation.

Brad

^^ Meaning that Manila to Baguio Train Travel can never be a continous trips... Isolated operation is already good.. Just like in Japan, short routes especially mountainous ares are provided with a tram like service. Also these trams use a much narrower tracks to conpensate for the curvatures...

^^ Meaning that Manila to Baguio Train Travel can never be a continous trips... Isolated operation is already good.. Just like in Japan, short routes especially mountainous ares are provided with a tram like service. Also these trams use a much narrower tracks to conpensate for the curvatures...

Yeah a continuous run without change would have been unlikely.
Still the rack railway section would have been interesting and possibly the only one ever in the Philippines. Can't remember what become of those locomotives.
I believe some of the old formation that was build in readines is still quite visible.

Brad

http://file.uploadr.com/100b5-embed

Just returning to this map.

Not sure why thgey have indicated a branch from Sta Mesa for ICTSI. The ICTSI branch was down near Calamba and I have never heard of a line from here.
Do they know something we don't? ;)

Brad

y u will demolish the historical building?? historical buildings hndi malalaos, but modern buildings after 15 yrs, lets see, laos na mga designs, bcos by that time mkakaisip na ang tao ng ibang types ng building construction

haha amazing dream ,sna mayaman pilpinas..=)

Yeah.
While there was some interesting and futuristic ideas in your dream, I will be the first to chain myself to the bulldozer they try to destroy the original Tutuban station.
In my dreams I would like to see the shopping centre ripped out and the original station returned to its rightfully duties. From here eight platforms, all on the same level could serve the exact services you dream of.

Manila deserves a beautiful and grand station. It had one once, but now you go buy clothes and food there.

The problem with high voltage fences, while seeming a good idea, would turn into a disaster should a major derailment occur. If the carriages come into contact, or if emerency help is delayed until the fence is turned off, then the outcome could be very tragic indeed.

Brad

why i want the original tutuban to be replace because in my dream the new tutuban station is multi-level and the design is world-class and very modern, but the architecture is very Filipino. the inside looks like the interior of a world-class airport. also it is the centerpiece of a new development that has 20-30+-story office buildings including the new PNR HQ, residential buildings, a 15 story hotel and a events venue.

why i want the original tutuban to be replace because in my dream the new tutuban station is multi-level and the design is world-class and very modern, but the architecture is very Filipino. the inside looks like the interior of a world-class airport. also it is the centerpiece of a new development that has 20-30+-story office buildings including the new PNR HQ, residential buildings, a 15 story hotel and a events venue.

not a bad dream, ehehehe pero thats imposible na mngyari sa area na yan.cguro not yet by now...believe me.and its not a perfect place for the hotel.. no tourism kc in the area,alam mo nmn mga tao d2 sa pinas db? mga mayaman ayaw pumunta sa lugar ng mahihirap.."most but not all nmn"..and it also means the hotel will go down.

wat do u mean by Filipino Architecture?... meron ba tyo nun tlaga... i mean, all our designs are coming from other countries dn nmn.. tingnan mo d2 sa Mnla, side by side ang construction of high rise buildings . tpos they put up glass and aluminum cladding... gaya gaya lng e..

Sbi nga ni archt. Go nung nging Building Utilities 3 prof ko xa,d magnda ang glass at claddings d2 sa atin kc it only absorbs heat rather than cool the place.. alam ko efficient sa lighting pero sa ventilation ka mamatay.

Metals,glass and cladding are best in colder places to absorb light and heat from the sun,kaya nga sa europe especially sa germany gnyan ang design kc malamig. D2 sa manila buildings put up glass kaya ang result mahal binabayaran nila sa kuryente bcos of airconditioning dhil mainit. Glass lets the heat and light penetrate ur room.
pero here sa tropical country, we need a building that suites for our place..correct me if im wrong..

tska bka mg-ooposed ang National Historical Institute pag dedemolish mo tutuban old station..its preferable kung igilid mo nlng ung mall, then convert the old station and change the mall into a world class station. Try to look for these terminals: Union station, Grand central station,ung station sa Frankfurt,St.pancras main station,Waterloo London, dba prineserve nla ang building then they just add some modern designs nlng, at least ngkaroon pa ng tourism bcos of the mixing of the old and the new., db mas maganda un, u didn't forget ur historical sense..

yan ang hirap sa atin we dont preserve our historical sites, anywey iba iba nmn pananaw ntin eh.. comment lng nmn to..

why i want the original tutuban to be replace because in my dream the new tutuban station is multi-level and the design is world-class and very modern, but the architecture is very Filipino. the inside looks like the interior of a world-class airport. also it is the centerpiece of a new development that has 20-30+-story office buildings including the new PNR HQ, residential buildings, a 15 story hotel and a events venue.


I think the inner moderinity could be achieved with the same eternal appearance. It is something done everywhere nowdays and while it isn't quite the same, from the outside the same magestic looking station exists.

Can you show my some examples of modern building design in the Philippines that is actually very Filipino? Photos on the net would be great.

If there was really a need for multi level platforms, keeping in mind you could likely fit around 10 platforms on one level, the second level could well by underground and out of view. These underground tracks could rise to meet the others without the obvious visual nighmare an above ground platform and railway approachs would cause.

Still if you could have 10 platforms on the ground level, you dream could work as follows.

Platform 1: PNR
Platform 2: PNR
Platform 3: Common User
Platform 4: Northrail
Platform 5: Northrail
Platform 6: The proposed circular metro rail system.
Platform 7: The proposed circular metro rail system.
Platform 8: An overpriced and inflexible Maglev.
Platform 9: An overpriced and inflexable Maglev.
Platform 10: Perhaps for parcels traffic, perhaps spare for PNR or NR, even better, perhaps for special trains by the PRHS :lol:

Ten platforms must be achievable in the area and keeping them to the single level will make swapping between modes far more attractive.

It was an interesting thought. Perhaps we could get 'Wheels' to do a computer designed drawing if he has a spare few days :)

Brad

wat do u mean by Filipino Architecture?... meron ba tyo nun tlaga... i mean, all our designs are coming from other countries dn nmn.. tingnan mo d2 sa Mnla, side by side ang construction of high rise buildings . tpos they put up glass and aluminum cladding... gaya gaya lng e..

yan ang hirap sa atin we dont preserve our historical sites, anywey iba iba nmn pananaw ntin eh.. comment lng nmn to..

Hi Nathan,
Sadly I couldn't read most of this but I think I have got the drift.

Filipino Architecture:

This is why I have asked for some examples on the net. Most of the modern buildings I have seen in the Philippines have not screamed 'Philippine Design' to me.
As an example of a major modern construction we could look at the 'Mall Of Asia'. A really modern, large, welcoming and open type building. It is obviously very functional and to the general public, perhaps even attractive.
But it is dry, boring and far from what I would call Filipino. It is a design that can be found anywhere in reality.
Same can be said for all the modern buildings there.

So what would be distinctly Filipino?
This is something that could really draw a huge amount of debate. Many old buildings over the years have likely been built to foreign type designs. This alone makes the idea of Filipino design very much harder.
However all these old buildings go together as part of Filipino culture and history. You start ripping them down and replacing them with generic and dry looking moderninity then you really loose the places identity.

In short you really probably can't build new buildings that are a distinctly Filipino design unless you build new building to the exact same design as older ones, something designers etc would probably GASP at nowdays, prefering to aim their ugly ideas of what is attractive towards you.

The original Tutuban station may well have been built with foreign designs and ideas, but it magnificent, a major part of Filipino history and known around the world with people interested in such things.
Loosing this history, means loosing identity.

Brad

This is what happens when you let todays architects go a bit crazy designing a change for an original old station.

Modern-Yes
Interesting-Some may think so
Scream Australian- AHHHMM NO.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/06/20/svSTATION_wideweb__470x305,0.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/45/300px-Southern_Cross_Station_entrance.jpg

http://www.airportdoors.com.au/southern-cross-station_vert.gif

Station looks like a massive pile of metal scrap that has began to melt.
Perhaps it is meant to represent the heat of Australia's outback? I think it more represents demolished shanties :lol:
http://contrapunct.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/grimshaw1.jpg


Here is also a news report about the recent sideaffect from the design, something that never happened at the old station.

NEW STATION MAKES PEOPLE SICK!

SOUTHERN Cross Station's wavy roof — the centrepiece of its $700 million redevelopment — is trapping fumes from diesel trains and causing a string of illnesses ranging from vomiting to runny eyes, say concerned staff.

The Southern Cross Station Authority and the Rail, Tram and Bus Union plan to conduct air testing at the station over the coming weeks to determine the extent of the problem.

Each weekday nearly 200 country and interstate services use the station (formerly called Spencer Street station), all of them powered by fume-spewing diesel locomotives.

The problem seems to be most severe at the southern end of the station, on the ticket barrier walkway, although all parts of the station are affected.

One Connex worker, who did not wish to be named, said workers had filed incident reports listing symptoms including irritated eyes, noses and throats, light-headedness, feeling "high", heartburn, headache, weakness, numb extremities, chest tightness, wheezing and vomiting.

Connex (suburban train) staff were forced to leave their positions at ticket barriers and ticket booths when the fumes were at their worst, she said.

"Most of the workers on V/Line (country train) staff, especially the platform staff and the ticket staff, are also affected by it. The diesel fumes go up halfway onto the roof, stay there for a while, then come down again. It is visible most of the time," she said. "It is not an issue of the workers' safety only but for the public as well, especially the regular commuters."

Another station worker said: "It really hangs around. You can really smell it, particularly on the ticket barriers in the upper level of the station … Before, when you didn't have the roof coverage, most of the stuff went up into the atmosphere."

He said he had seen one member of staff vomit as a result.

Union organiser Victor Moore said the station authority's testing was due to begin this week and the union would start its own testing soon.

"We've had reports of our members getting severe headaches and feeling queasy on the (ticket) barrier in particular," he said. "Sometimes it seems to be a lot worse than others."

The union believed fumes from diesel locomotives were to blame, but could not be certain until the tests were done, he said.

"We've had reports from station staff that passengers have been complaining as well," Mr Moore said.

Spokesmen for the station authority and the private consortium redeveloping the station, Civic Nexus, said the roof had been designed to naturally expel the fumes. Both said the roof would not reach its "optimum" ventilation effect until a glass wall was built alongside the station's western edge, near Wurundjeri Way. This would result in better "internal wind flows" designed to expel fumes through the roof.

A station authority spokesman said the wall, part of the 664 Collins Street development, was due to be built by September.

However, a Civic Nexus statement also said: "We are working with V/Line Passenger to identify measures to reduce the level of diesel fumes from locomotives within the station."

A Civic Nexus spokesman said there had never been plans to install fans in the roof to help remove fumes.

A spokeswoman for Transport Minister Peter Batchelor said the Government would leave all comments on the issue to the station authority.

^^ Wow! Nice Terminal.... hmmm... very very nice station. I would prefer the Tututan Central Station would lool like this... Yes! 10 platforms are sure to be designed...

^^ I assume that this is where the Tutuban Central Station will be built. Highlighted by the Thick Red Line, dimension is approximately 600m x 80m. On this site will rise one of the major train stations in Metro Manila.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1324/1299724441_ce848ccf30_o.jpg

Brad: Very modern.. Hopefully, the new stations will be a marriage of Modern Philippine Architecture and Past/Old/Traditional Philippine Architecture.. I like the architecture of the old Paco Station. It is old but it defines the what Philippine architecture is all about. If they could bring it to the modern times then it will be awesome. :)

Wheel: Damn, that is big! I think they should redevelop the areas surrounding the station particularly the Divisoria area. It will be quite awkward. You have a modern train station then on the surrounding areas is like.. oh well. :D

Brad: Very modern.. Hopefully, the new stations will be a marriage of Modern Philippine Architecture and Past/Old/Traditional Philippine Architecture.. I like the architecture of the old Paco Station. It is old but it defines the what Philippine architecture is all about. If they could bring it to the modern times then it will be awesome. :)

Wheel: Damn, that is big! I think they should redevelop the areas surrounding the station particularly the Divisoria area. It will be quite awkward. You have a modern train station then on the surrounding areas is like.. oh well. :D

^^ Actually El, this is small compared to our fellow neighbors. The PNR Motor Poll in Caloocan is quite bigger but still we need much bigger... The NorthRail Corp. had already chosen Valenzuela as their depot. The Tutuban Station will be reopened and will serve temporarily as the Central Terminal. The PNR eyes FTI as their new Central Terminal. It's quite big but it is yet to confirm although some lines like the one the Chinese which is LABART project proposed to make FTI as their terminal for freight and passenger train operation.

^^ We still have to wait although the final choice would be in the vicinity of Taguig which is not far from Fort Bonifacio.

That doesn't look like a terminal i would like to be in, with all those health problems of smoke getting trapped! yikes.. hope they fix that.

Hi Nathan,
Sadly I couldn't read most of this but I think I have got the drift.

Filipino Architecture:

This is why I have asked for some examples on the net. Most of the modern buildings I have seen in the Philippines have not screamed 'Philippine Design' to me.
As an example of a major modern construction we could look at the 'Mall Of Asia'. A really modern, large, welcoming and open type building. It is obviously very functional and to the general public, perhaps even attractive.
But it is dry, boring and far from what I would call Filipino. It is a design that can be found anywhere in reality.
Same can be said for all the modern buildings there.

So what would be distinctly Filipino?
This is something that could really draw a huge amount of debate. Many old buildings over the years have likely been built to foreign type designs. This alone makes the idea of Filipino design very much harder.
However all these old buildings go together as part of Filipino culture and history. You start ripping them down and replacing them with generic and dry looking moderninity then you really loose the places identity.

In short you really probably can't build new buildings that are a distinctly Filipino design unless you build new building to the exact same design as older ones, something designers etc would probably GASP at nowdays, prefering to aim their ugly ideas of what is attractive towards you.

The original Tutuban station may well have been built with foreign designs and ideas, but it magnificent, a major part of Filipino history and known around the world with people interested in such things.
Loosing this history, means loosing identity.

Brad

i think filipino architecture are the ones we inherit from the spanish buildings..
if we can mix the spanish and american colonial architecture and native building designs, we could come up a hybrid which could become filipino architecture..from our history...

i watched Bourne Ultimatum kanina, theres a scene there where they have a fight scene in London Waterloo, the old station was preserved and they added a modern shed with many stores and shops and platforms..

^^ I assume that this is where the Tutuban Central Station will be built. Highlighted by the Thick Red Line, dimension is approximately 600m x 80m. On this site will rise one of the major train stations in Metro Manila.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1324/1299724441_ce848ccf30_o.jpg

eia wheel of steel , I got a current plan of PNR tayuman yard... dis is their property... the tutuban mall is also their property but it is leased for 25 years by TCI and can be renewed.....by the way this pic is their current yard property

http://file.uploadr.com/102db-embed
hope this helps

^^ I assume that this is where the Tutuban Central Station will be built.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1324/1299724441_ce848ccf30_o.jpg


Hi WoS,
Yep I imagine whatever they do will be pretty much where those reasonably new, but slowly decaying, platforms are at the PNR HQ office.
It will be interesting see what becomes of the whole area.
The current locoshed would surely by unacceptable for running repairs and servicing. Its a lovely old building but I doubt it will be viable for working on the new railcars.
The long rollingstock shop may be more suited to the needs and could be kept. With the massive reduction in rollingstock there would certainly be much room there.

Hmmm this discussion has just given me a rather great historical society idea!

Anyway, the whole area is desperately in need of ripping up and relaying. When they close the system for the rebuild I do wonder if they will have some massive stock transfers from Tayuman to Caloocan and store (or scrap) everything there. It would be squeezy but likely quite possible.

Brad

Brad: Very modern.. Hopefully, the new stations will be a marriage of Modern Philippine Architecture and Past/Old/Traditional Philippine Architecture.. I like the architecture of the old Paco Station. It is old but it defines the what Philippine architecture is all about. If they could bring it to the modern times then it will be awesome. :)

Wheel: Damn, that is big! I think they should redevelop the areas surrounding the station particularly the Divisoria area. It will be quite awkward. You have a modern train station then on the surrounding areas is like.. oh well. :D


Hi,
I think a similar project that was done with Tutuban could be utilised at Paco. Keep the original look but incorporate a modern station and perhaps shopping outlet (not so big as to overpower the original front) behind it.
Such ideas could bring in lots of extra money to PNR in the form of shop rentals etc. Railway renting here is a huge concern and rakes in the $$$$$.

Hopefully a huge modern monolith in the area may be the catalyst for change within the area. It may draw far more money and development to the area surrounding it.
Many things can change with these sorts of developments.

Brad

^^ Actually El, this is small compared to our fellow neighbors. The PNR Motor Poll in Caloocan is quite bigger but still we need much bigger... The NorthRail Corp. had already chosen Valenzuela as their depot. The Tutuban Station will be reopened and will serve temporarily as the Central Terminal. The PNR eyes FTI as their new Central Terminal. It's quite big but it is yet to confirm although some lines like the one the Chinese which is LABART project proposed to make FTI as their terminal for freight and passenger train operation.

^^ We still have to wait although the final choice would be in the vicinity of Taguig which is not far from Fort Bonifacio.

I'm currently trying to find out more info on this proposed central station at FTI and will let you know if I am successful.
While it would certainly make a good location for a central freight terminal it does seem a rather unusual location for a central station, giving its being situated somewhere out from what the main area of Manila is.

As for freight, there does seem to be considerable room and may be a god spot for remarshalling traffic coming in from all lines and as a intermodel hub for rail/road transfers.
Space at the port itself is limited and this sort of operation there would probably not be to easy to achieve. Trains could operate on yo-yo type service between a freight centre and FTI and the port as space allows, likely through allocated time slots like is done here.

Brad

That doesn't look like a terminal i would like to be in, with all those health problems of smoke getting trapped! yikes.. hope they fix that.

Smoke? Pollution type smoke or from that horrid burning of rubbish?

I assume you mean the later and this is what I have based my reply on.

This rubbish collecting and burning at Tutuban/Tayuman would certainly have to stop in order to give people the impression that the government is trying to convey
However given this rubbish is all from the squatter areas and the squatter areas are being demolished, then you pretty much are cutting the problem off at the source.

As one last great act in her term as President, I would dearly love to see Gloria introduce the very harsh littering laws imposed by the government of Singapore.
I have never been to Singapore, but am often told it makes Sydney look like a rubbish dump as people are to scared to even spit out a piece of chewing gum for fear of what would happen.
Imagine what such laws would mean for Manila if they were strictly imposed. They wouldn't be popular at first but then people would see the massive difference it has made.

Brad

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http://file.uploadr.com/102db-embed
hope this helps

Interesting thanks, I didn't realise how much land there was actually PNR owned.
Certainly didn't realise all those squatters on the east side had taken so much of it. That really is an awesome amount of room if reclaimed.
Would likely be quite suitable for a major freight hub there to, although road access to FTI would be a lot better.
Not that I would like to see it happen, but in reality PNR could combine all functions of the Tayuman running shops at the heavy facility at Caloocan in this one area and remove the need for both.

Brad

Just in case I haven't made enough posting this morning already :lol:

Its been a while since I gave any report of an update.

While we are still very much in the developing and planning stage, we do hope to be fully registered soon. It was supposed to have already been completed, but when my friend was there they actually supplied him with the wrong forms.
There has been some other hiccups along the way, nothing has really be straight forward with administration things in the government there, and it is currently being worked on by another leading member of the group.
It is hoped to be pushed along soon as time is running rather short.

Possibly one of the bigger disappointments for me (especially since I first pushed the preservation idea years ago) is that Philippine law apparently says I can't be on the board of even a non-profit organization witout having a residents number.
Anyone know anything about resident numbers and whether you need to be a Philippine citizen to obtain one?
I wonder how the Chinese owners of big operations there get around it? Although I do have a sneaking suspicion exactly how. :ohno:

A preservation wishlist has pretty much been drawn up, much of it now reaching a critical point where we my loose it.
One major historical loss will occur within a month, that being an old concrete 'ENGINE STOP' sign at Blumentritt. If it isn't rescued within a month this little piece of history will be in a garbage dump somewhere.

As for a home for the museum. We are currently looking more at temporary locations for short term usage rather than a long term home.
For the project to be successful we need to save the stuff first before working out where to put it. No point having a empty museum building.

Other things are being discussed such as memberships and newsletters. Obviously there needs to be special memberships for local members who could not afford the yearly fees and to this end we are looking at an idea utilized by some museums in Australia (for more details on this feel free to send me a private message as nothing is set in stone yet).

I hope to rebuild and update the PRHS website in the next two weeks.

Anyway thats where we are at, though some of you would be interested.

Best wishes
Brad

ei brad is the solar powered car popolar there in australia? i read in the newspaper last nyt that 3 students invents the 1st solar powered racing car in our country..they will join the 3,000 km australian solar racing..hehehe

Hi WoS,
Yep I imagine whatever they do will be pretty much where those reasonably new, but slowly decaying, platforms are at the PNR HQ office.
It will be interesting see what becomes of the whole area.
The current locoshed would surely by unacceptable for running repairs and servicing. Its a lovely old building but I doubt it will be viable for working on the new railcars.
The long rollingstock shop may be more suited to the needs and could be kept. With the massive reduction in rollingstock there would certainly be much room there.

Hmmm this discussion has just given me a rather great historical society idea!

Anyway, the whole area is desperately in need of ripping up and relaying. When they close the system for the rebuild I do wonder if they will have some massive stock transfers from Tayuman to Caloocan and store (or scrap) everything there. It would be squeezy but likely quite possible.

Brad

u knw why the platform in new terminal is decaying? because that building was built during 1994-1996 and unoccupied for many years. One personnel told me that in 2003 only that they finally some move into the building. only the transportation and engineering depts. but all will eventually move na there in the following months, last week i went there and the elevator is running, the third floor is under cleaning condition.
they said that the company didnt move eventually after it was built, because they don't have the money to pay TCI. TCI is the company that rents the land of tutuban center mall. They built the new building.

The PNR spend millions for maintaining the facilities of the new building because the wooden ceiling have been eaten by termites because of unoccupied for many years... i wonder today if that will also happen to our white elephant NAIA 3

Interesting thanks, I didn't realise how much land there was actually PNR owned.
Certainly didn't realise all those squatters on the east side had taken so much of it. That really is an awesome amount of room if reclaimed.
Would likely be quite suitable for a major freight hub there to, although road access to FTI would be a lot better.
Not that I would like to see it happen, but in reality PNR could combine all functions of the Tayuman running shops at the heavy facility at Caloocan in this one area and remove the need for both.

Brad

Tutuban yard site can also become a hub for cargo, the tayuman st connects for r-10 along the north harbor and south harbor,this is much near rather than travel the cargos from the harbor to FTI, very long distance, expense pa sa diesel and added pollution to sLEX and c-5..

ei brad is the solar powered car popolar there in australia? i read in the newspaper last nyt that 3 students invents the 1st solar powered racing car in our country..they will join the 3,000 km australian solar racing..hehehe

Hi Nathan,
While a good idea, it isn't really that popular down here. Don't think it has actually been used in any sort of car production run, just as the odd experiment here and there.
It seem to be more popular for house applications, solar hot water etc.

Hope they do well in the race. THat would be great if they win.

Brad

u knw why the platform in new terminal is decaying? because that building was built during 1994-1996 and unoccupied for many years. One personnel told me that in 2003 only that they finally some move into the building. only the transportation and engineering depts. but all will eventually move na there in the following months, last week i went there and the elevator is running, the third floor is under cleaning condition.
they said that the company didnt move eventually after it was built, because they don't have the money to pay TCI. TCI is the company that rents the land of tutuban center mall. They built the new building.

The PNR spend millions for maintaining the facilities of the new building because the wooden ceiling have been eaten by termites because of unoccupied for many years... i wonder today if that will also happen to our white elephant NAIA 3

Yeah, a guy at Tutuban told us a similar story.
Amazing really.
I didn't know about the white ant problem. Didn't take the ants long to find the place huh.

Its sad to see so many things like this happening. When we were down at Tagaytay in 1999 we went up to a look out over the Taal Volcano.
There was this massive, half built, hotel there. You could go upstairs from memory and look out, but it was just a concrete frame with no roof and was falling to ruin.
ISTR, but am open to correction, that this was a Marcos project that was dumped after he was, well, dumped to.

Saw another massive half built building opposite the Quezon Memorial Circle. So much work had been done but it just stopped. Now all the wooden scaffolding if beginning to collapse and really is a safety hazard to passers by.

Brad

Tutuban yard site can also become a hub for cargo, the tayuman st connects for r-10 along the north harbor and south harbor,this is much near rather than travel the cargos from the harbor to FTI, very long distance, expense pa sa diesel and added pollution to sLEX and c-5..

I just recieved an email about long held plans to turn FTI into a major bus terminal for rural services (presumably mostly from the south) thus stopping them from proceeding further into Manila.
This would obviously ease congestion around EDSA etc.
Perhaps the idea of a huge central station at FTI is a replacement one with the expected lesser need for so many buses service the south?

As for cargo I suppose it depends where that cargo is coming from.
Im thinking of road haulage mostly serving those locations on Luzon without rail, rather than the port to FTI which should be all rail.
An idea being floated here and would work fine there, is to have a intermodel terminal out of the main city area, FTI is better than deep in the heart of Manila, but somewhere like Calamba (and similar location up north) would be better.

You then rail all containers from the port out to this freight hubs for distribution by trucks thus stopping the need for them in the heart of Manila at all.
Incoming stuff would be down the other way around.

This would actually be more financially viable for truck operators than to come to Tutuban as they don't have to get all the way to port. Operating a train load of containers in would be cheaper as the cost is spread.
Trucks from non-rail served areas would go to their nearest freight hub and rail it into the city, allowing the truck to return to the starting point hours faster.

The spare space at Tutuban/Tayuman would thus be best utilized as a hold over yard for trains awaiting access to the port.

Regards
Brad

guys i got...the latest update on the northrail...including pics shown to the president herself.....it will blow your mind if you see these......will post it later siguro if i have time...i just have some rush things to do in the office....cgurado ako....these are the info you are looking for.....bitin muna... :lol: :banana:

guys i got...the latest update on the northrail...including pics shown to the president herself.....it will blow your mind if you see these......will post it later siguro if i have time...i just have some rush things to do in the office....cgurado ako....these are the info you are looking for.....bitin muna... :lol: :banana:

^^ :lol: Cige na daddy, post you na dali!!!! Can't wait to see the update....:banana:

guys i got...the latest update on the northrail...including pics shown to the president herself.....it will blow your mind if you see these......will post it later siguro if i have time...i just have some rush things to do in the office....cgurado ako....these are the info you are looking for.....bitin muna... :lol: :banana:

Later?

If you have time????

Stop teasing us :lol:

I'll shout you a bottle of Tanduay.....

Brad

^^ :lol: Cige na daddy, post you na dali!!!! Can't wait to see the update....:banana:

Tagolog Lessons For Brad.

'Cige na daddy'

Means

'OK now daddy'

right? Am I close even :lol:

Brad

guys i got...the latest update on the northrail...including pics shown to the president herself.....it will blow your mind if you see these......will post it later siguro if i have time...i just have some rush things to do in the office....cgurado ako....these are the info you are looking for.....bitin muna... :lol: :banana:

^^ I have a very good feelings that these core properties (self-declared by the opposition squatters in Antipolo St., Manila) would be gone soon although there are papers showing that it was indeed Pabahay sa Riles (Housing at the Railtrack Sides). This PNR project will be needing at least 30 meters right-of-way to operate without much hazards to public. The older design of two tracks cannot somehow be still acceptable since not only passenger train that will be using the line and also the frequency of the trains will be tripled or may be more than before. Although the 4 tracks would be unrealistic at this moment, a 3 tracks formation would be a possiblity. Assuming that every tracks must be placed 5 meters apart from each other, 3 track formation already occupies 15 meters.

As far as I am concern, I am really against the desicion of this core properties to remain. This will not be benificial to riding public....

GOOD DAY TO ALLL.....:banana:

Later?

If you have time????

Stop teasing us :lol:

I'll shout you a bottle of Tanduay.....

Brad

Kuya Brad,

GOOD MORNING!!!

:lol: Im definitely excited. If only I could bring my Family there, THE SSC FANS will always have an update everyday.... Naakkkksssss!!!!!:lol:

WoS...

Tagolog Lessons For Brad.

'Cige na daddy'

Means

'OK now daddy'

right? Am I close even :lol:

Brad

Yes!... Tama (Right) or we can say.... Come on Daddy, Please!!!! :lol:

Lessons...
Kalbo (Bald) :lol:
Dad (Papa) :lol:

JOKES!!!!!

waaaa!!! nang bibitin pa! post mo na po please! :lol:

Kuya Brad,

GOOD MORNING!!!

:lol: Im definitely excited. If only I could bring my Family there, THE SSC FANS will always have an update everyday.... Naakkkksssss!!!!!:lol:

WoS...

Don't worry mate, I will bring the Tanduay there :lol:
Actually better for me to buy it there, about $2 in the Philippines and up to $38 to get it here :(

Brad

Yes!... Tama (Right) or we can say.... Come on Daddy, Please!!!! :lol:

Lessons...
Kalbo (Bald) :lol:
Dad (Papa) :lol:

JOKES!!!!!

Salamat for the new words :-) Always trying to learn new ones.

Brad
** Biggest RP news today is the army taking over the biggest NPA camp. Apparently down in Quezon.

guys i got...the latest update on the northrail...including pics shown to the president herself.....it will blow your mind if you see these......will post it later siguro if i have time...i just have some rush things to do in the office....cgurado ako....these are the info you are looking for.....bitin muna... :lol: :banana:

the pic should be the latest mamaya ung posted na pic ni gloria d2 ang ilagyay mo ha..

Just got a report from FTI!

While many shanties have gone, plenty still exist.
Aparently all trace of FTI station has been removed from the face of the earth. I wonder if trains still stop at the non-existant station?

Brad

nathan!

edit mo pala ung tags ng PNR posts mo sa you tube para maidagdag mo ung tags na "Philippine", "National" at "Railways" or isang buong tag na "Philippine National Railways"

guys i got...the latest update on the northrail...including pics shown to the president herself.....it will blow your mind if you see these......will post it later siguro if i have time...i just have some rush things to do in the office....cgurado ako....these are the info you are looking for.....bitin muna... :lol: :banana:

^^ :lol: I POST YOU NA NGAYON.....PLS!!!....:lol:

Just got a report from FTI!

While many shanties have gone, plenty still exist.
Aparently all trace of FTI station has been removed from the face of the earth. I wonder if trains still stop at the non-existant station?

Brad


^^ I think so...at least many passengers including those working at FTI company's are probable users of trains... They even like to ride now than before because there are no more squatters in some areas...

the pic should be the latest mamaya ung posted na pic ni gloria d2 ang ilagyay mo ha..

^^ I think it was the latest since the last time I post the Malolos PGMA inpection. I think this is not the official iterinary of the President but I think her secretary or any govt officials concerned with this project probably presenting the updates of the project... Let check it out later!!!:cheers:

I just recieved an email about long held plans to turn FTI into a major bus terminal for rural services (presumably mostly from the south) thus stopping them from proceeding further into Manila.
This would obviously ease congestion around EDSA etc.
Perhaps the idea of a huge central station at FTI is a replacement one with the expected lesser need for so many buses service the south?

As for cargo I suppose it depends where that cargo is coming from.
Im thinking of road haulage mostly serving those locations on Luzon without rail, rather than the port to FTI which should be all rail.
An idea being floated here and would work fine there, is to have a intermodel terminal out of the main city area, FTI is better than deep in the heart of Manila, but somewhere like Calamba (and similar location up north) would be better.

You then rail all containers from the port out to this freight hubs for distribution by trucks thus stopping the need for them in the heart of Manila at all.
Incoming stuff would be down the other way around.

This would actually be more financially viable for truck operators than to come to Tutuban as they don't have to get all the way to port. Operating a train load of containers in would be cheaper as the cost is spread.
Trucks from non-rail served areas would go to their nearest freight hub and rail it into the city, allowing the truck to return to the starting point hours faster.

The spare space at Tutuban/Tayuman would thus be best utilized as a hold over yard for trains awaiting access to the port.

Regards
Brad


^^ The original plan is that every container van that will be dropped to Manila port will be brought by rail to FTI and distribute it to the truckers... Unfortunately it didn't went click because apparently they find it that there were lots of traffic in that area and that the roads are quite small... As a result, ICTSC went on action and finds Canlubang as their distribution point and vice-versa... At Canluband, truckers need not to go to FTI just to pick up...

^^ There was a plan of MMDA to use our Railway System for bringing out the garbage from Metro Manila to the provinces. Although this was not yet confirmed but there is always a possibility. Originally, MMDA did propose to use PNR tracks from Manila to Quezon for their waste disposal sometime around 2001. In order to do this, the garbage will be spooled in a pickup center in Manila and put it in a closed car and shipped it through rail to their dumping site in Quezon Province. They are also proposing the use of 3rd rail to facilitate speedy transport of garbage. The estimates shows that it requires 100 cars of garbage to be shipped every day just to clear Metro Manila from gargage..

sige na nga post ko na nga....baka himatayin kayo sa kahihintay....http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1308758844

to follow the malolos train station....

^^ Dali na!!!! Hurry up!!!! :lol: :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1308896314/in/photostream/ this is the face of the northrail...train...

^^ ^^ he he he!!!! I will not be surprised if all of us are online at this very moment...:lol: Are we waiting for something... like a BIG BANG!!! :lol:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1308896314/in/photostream/ this is the face of the northrail...train...

^^ Where dad? Ah you might have probably forgot to post a picture.. Simple, if you see a photo anywhere from the internet, just right click it and then highlight the source and copy.... and go to the reply, click the pic link tab and paste the source of picture/photo you want to copy.... :nuts:

^^ Remember Guys, any post contributed here with maching videos and photos actually taken by himself will be highly appreciated....:nuts: :lol:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1308896314/in/photostream/ this is the face of the northrail...train...

^^ Nice Photos!!! Wow, the latest update... I hope this one also be used in SouthRail... Excellent!!! Thanks a lot... Is this a Chinese Made Train.. Nice if they got one DMU fueled with Jathropia. I wonder if they will change the liveries. Blue combination with white...hmmm...!!!! Not to bad!!! Pink however, :lol:

^^ Where dad? Ah you might have probably forgot to post a picture.. Simple, if you see a photo anywhere from the internet, just right click it and then highlight the source and copy.... and go to the reply, click the pic link tab and paste the source of picture/photo you want to copy.... :nuts:

that is what i did..i uploaded the pics to flickr and copy the url...and posted it here...na disconnect ata ako sa flickr...http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1308896314/ .i don't know what went wrong...anyway post ko ulit....pahiya tuloy ako...:nuts:

sir kalbongdad.. nakita ko sa flickr...!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad if you cannot see the pics...pls try..linking to my flickr account...

^^ Mga Tol!!! Ako na ang yayari nito... Ha ha ha... thank you so much Sir!!! for your very very great photo contribution... :okay:

Courtesy of Sir kalbongdad

THE NEW NORTHRAIL TRAINS...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/1308896314_47de36eafb_o.jpg


INSIDE THE SUPER TRAIN...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1308891436_b1024ce34d_o.jpg


CONSTRUCTION AT MALOLOS HIGHWAY SIDE

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1114/1308758844_fcaff26291_o.jpg


FILE ERECTION AT MALOLOS ELEVATED STATION

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1201/1308753538_28e8772504_o.jpg


MALABON TRUE 30 METER ENBANKMENT

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/1308748968_f1de7ef97c_o.jpg


MALOLOS SUPER NORTHRAIL TERMINAL

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1234/1307859875_7a9f6b9339_b.jpg

^^ Guys.... Hanep!!! I couldnt believe we have friends out there making our fantasy a reality... Nice!!!... The long Malolos Station Design wait has come to an end....

i hope all of you was able to see....it....kaya siguro ako mabagal...dami nyo siguro nakatutok sa flickr....anyway the info should be shared to all and sundry....so that all may know...that progress is being made on this project..http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1307859875/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalbongdad/1307859875/ o tagay....:banana:

btw.... i would just like to thank the people from bcda who...accomodated my request....thank you very much...mabuhay kayo...they are the source of these wnderful information

Courtesy of Sir kalbongdad

MALOLOS SUPER NORTHRAIL TERMINAL

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1234/1307859875_7a9f6b9339_b.jpg

I thought they'll had a more traditional design for the Malolos Station... considering Malolos as a historic place...

Anyway nice pics @kalbongdad!!!

^^ Yup!!! Thanks to BCDA and they would also at least from time to time browse our Thread.. We'll anyway excellent accomplishments....

^^ The old Malolos Station will be preserve and it is situated at the right portion of the new station... There were several more stations to be preserved and will have repairs to be conducted. This will serve as site for tourists.

^^ I guess the Malolos Station would have an over take tracks... From the perspective, we can really see that the viaduct is quite wide... So we expect that there will be 4 tracks to be laid, 2 for pickup and 2 for main line...

Thanks for the pictures! It satisfies my need for NR-SR news!

If Malolos station can be "flashy", does it mean that "major" stations (i.e. Clark, Calamba, Lucena, Naga, Legaspi) will have such "flashy" designs too?

I just hope the Malolos station design wont jeopardize the entire project cost!:lol:

As long as a station is effective, serves it purpose, and well within budget, I have no qualms about it... my wish is for gov't to finish the entire N-S rail project, and improvements can come later...

^^ Yup, Malolos is indeed one of a major stations... I just don't know if they will allow the passage of container trains, tanker and other freght cars or will it be separated from the line, I mean will have a separate track on the side of the station..

^^ This is what happens when you clear the line from Tutuban to Blumentrit to Espanya to Sta. Mesa all the way to Alabang. Nice looking di ba? Maluwag at maaliwalas...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/1308748968_f1de7ef97c_o.jpg

If Malolos station can be "flashy", does it mean that "major" stations (i.e. Clark, Calamba, Lucena, Naga, Legaspi) will have such "flashy" designs too?

I just hope the Malolos station design wont jeopardize the entire project cost!:lol:

As long as a station is effective, serves it purpose, and well within budget, I have no qualms about it... my wish is for gov't to finish the entire N-S rail project, and improvements can come later...

well...being new projects...i thinks...the stations will most probably be modern....the design though i think will vary...considering that the southrail...or orange line...is being done by the koreans...and the northrail..green line...is being done by the chinese....now we all know that the have achieved quiet a lot...as long as the embankment...is ok...the laying of the rails...is easy.....by the way for the info of everybody....section2...the malolos-clark section...is both at grade level and tunneled....the tunnel portion...is the exciting part...i hope the tunnel is substantially long...

can't see flickr photos :(

Speaking of BCDA, got some articles from their website... Don't know if this has been posted before...

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4149/z1em7.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9711/z2fn9.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4208/z3ww5.jpg

can't see flickr photos :(

^^ Go up and get dress. Remaining in the water will not help you see the picturess... ngek!!!:lol: Jokes... Browse the Thread 30, it's all there, we want your comments about the photos.. ok!!! Browse and relax...:cheers:

@ Lucentino...

^^ That's one is quite short but slightly detailed and informative. Thanks for the infos. A big help especially for those who want to take a first glimpse of N, S and Linkage Projects....

Hi,
I think a similar project that was done with Tutuban could be utilised at Paco. Keep the original look but incorporate a modern station and perhaps shopping outlet (not so big as to overpower the original front) behind it.
Such ideas could bring in lots of extra money to PNR in the form of shop rentals etc. Railway renting here is a huge concern and rakes in the $$$$$.

Hopefully a huge modern monolith in the area may be the catalyst for change within the area. It may draw far more money and development to the area surrounding it.
Many things can change with these sorts of developments.

Brad

Yep. I think that is the way to go.. The government should preserve the appearance of this structure(Paco station) since it is one of the few remaining structures that define Filipino Archi. Change is inevitable once the station is refurbished/rebuilt/whatever. I guess same goes with Tutuban. Hopefully, they would at least clean its surrounding areas. :D

I remember there was a shopping center near Paco Station and beside the "Home along da riles" apartment. I don't know if it is still there. Anyway, Did you already toured the stations from Alabang to Lucena/Bicol?

WoS: That is the northrail train?! Ang ganda! Beautiful :D I have mix feelings with the Malolos Station. Looks like a gymnasium to me. hehehe About the FTI proposal, It could be a good terminal for freight.. I don't know with Passenger terminal.. Paco could be a good central passenger terminal since it is near the boundary of Manila and Makati. :)

Yep. I think that is the way to go.. The government should preserve the appearance of this structure(Paco station) since it is one of the few remaining structures that define Filipino Archi. Change is inevitable once the station is refurbished/rebuilt/whatever. I guess same goes with Tutuban. Hopefully, they would at least clean its surrounding areas. :D

I remember there was a shopping center near Paco Station and beside the "Home along da riles" apartment. I don't know if it is still there. Anyway, Did you already toured the stations from Alabang to Lucena/Bicol?

WoS: That is the northrail train?! Ang ganda! Beautiful :D I have mix feelings with the Malolos Station. Looks like a gymnasium to me. hehehe

^^ Yup!!! If it looks like GYM for then it is supposed to be big.. That's right, Malolos Station is a big station where lots of passengers are expected to ride on a train.

I actually rode on a train to Bicol everytime I went to Manila. The only thing I didn't do before it was shut down was to travel daytime. I did not have an opportunity to see the stations. But for now, Lucena Station looks ok although it is an old fashion railroad station, the PNR will always have to look forward in preserving these stations. Or maybe they can retain outside but modernize the inside. The Southrail Project form Calamba to Sorsogon involves the construction of Modern Stations and relaying of new tracks with proper right's of way. The project involves also the removal of squatters along the right of way and providing them mass housing...

^^ Well actually it isn't a DMU, but it is a locomotive pulling a 4 car coaches. DMU appears to be a car but self-propelled and all of their boggies (axle) are driving. This is nice considering that most of the commuter trains in Europe, America and Australia are being pulled by electric loco, meaning economical. DMU also will be used on this line....

^^^ Yep. Retain the exterior then modernize the interior. Much like what the brits done with their stations (um, well most of it) :D

^^ This is what happens when you clear the line from Tutuban to Blumentrit to Espanya to Sta. Mesa all the way to Alabang. Nice looking di ba? Maluwag at maaliwalas...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/1308748968_f1de7ef97c_o.jpg

Ah! A picture speaks a thousand words!

:lol: Well anyway nice for our thread, looking forward to finishing our railway projects.... It moves faster, Nice!!!! Hope we can add more updates in the near future.. Thank for all investors currently watching this thread... Thanks for your support...

is the DMU considered high speed?

^^ DMU is Diesel Multiple Units is a locomotive itself. Unlike the one the PNR currently use the cars are being pulled by Locomotive. DMU's can run by itself. DMU can also be a high speed train provided that the line should be properly maintained and should be elevated in order to reduce risk from getting an accident. DMU's can run up to 200km/h...

according to wikipedia (again with me relying on that dang website) it goes up to 130kph.... but I saw Korean DMU trains that looked like High speed trains. Oh well. Guess I'll have to wait :)

according to wikipedia (again with me relying on that dang website) it goes up to 130kph.... but I saw Korean DMU trains that looked like High speed trains. Oh well. Guess I'll have to wait :)

^^ Yup!!! we have to wait! It's too exciting... First of all, Northrail is the First ever railway project of Chinese here in South East Asia. Chinese will do their best to finished it on time. Future Chinese Railway Projects for S.E. Asia lies on the Northrail Project Performance.

according to wikipedia (again with me relying on that dang website) it goes up to 130kph.... but I saw Korean DMU trains that looked like High speed trains. Oh well. Guess I'll have to wait :)

^^ The Queens Rail of Autralia operates the fastest narrow gauge trains in the world with a speed record of 170km/h on straight tracks on at grade gracks... Not bad!!! JR narrow gauge trains in Japan have max operating speed of 150km/h at atgrade tracks.. I hope that NorthRail trains would be able to operate at this bracket...

^^ I guess the Southrail counterpart would also have stations similar to these. Let say at Lucena and San Pablo... Bigger cities would have stations large enough to accomodate passengers in the future. The Calamba Station probably will have a multiplatform capable of accomodating trains at the same time.. As time pass by with an increasing railway patronage from passengers, the Southrail will have to think for a better way of travelling through train.. A Northrail-Southrail train direct will be benificial for those passengers going to DMIA from Bicol without dropping at Manila... That's worthy...

^^ I think so...at least many passengers including those working at FTI company's are probable users of trains... They even like to ride now than before because there are no more squatters in some areas...

Must be fun climbing in and out of the carriages :)

Wow went away for two hours to pick up the wife and posts have jumped two pages.

Brad

wheel of steel, do you still have the information with the Northrail and Southrail Phases and the timetables? I'm interested in hearing news about the NR-SR Linkage Project as well as Southrail.

Must be fun climbing in and out of the carriages :)

Wow went away for two hours to pick up the wife and posts have jumped two pages.

Brad

:lol: At least we could ride on a train without feeeaaarrrrrr!!! he he he!!! That's why many train riders will be affected once this was shutdown for rebuild. Anyway, it only take for a while... Actually if they relay now the new tracks, trains once again can travel while rebuilding the stations.... Maybe they have plans for it...

A Northrail-Southrail train direct will be benificial for those passengers going to DMIA from Bicol without dropping at Manila... That's worthy...

Isn't that what the Linkage Project will do? So when the Northrail and Southrail is completed, including the Linkage Project, people will be able to travel from Bicol to say...Clark without a hitch? Or are they different platforms?

wheel of steel, do you still have the information with the Northrail and Southrail Phases and the timetables? I'm interested in hearing news about the NR-SR Linkage Project as well as Southrail.

^^ I'll be gone for a while for a while to pick my asawa!!!:lol: Maybe alcogoodwin will help you... Later I'll repost it again those Northrail-Southrail Phase and project description.... baboooo!!!:cheers:

^^ There was a plan of MMDA to use our Railway System for bringing out the garbage from Metro Manila to the provinces. Although this was not yet confirmed but there is always a possibility. Originally, MMDA did propose to use PNR tracks from Manila to Quezon for their waste disposal sometime around 2001. In order to do this, the garbage will be spooled in a pickup center in Manila and put it in a closed car and shipped it through rail to their dumping site in Quezon Province. They are also proposing the use of 3rd rail to facilitate speedy transport of garbage. The estimates shows that it requires 100 cars of garbage to be shipped every day just to clear Metro Manila from gargage..

Now theres a great idea. We also have garbage trains that are sealed and run from Sydney to the south. The waste is being dumped in an old mine if I remember correctly.
Ours runs with around 30 carriages a couple of times a week. 100 carriages is an awesome amount of rubbish. Do they dump it underground or just on a massive pile?

[QUOTE=wheel of steel;15145315]^^ The original plan is that every container van that will be dropped to Manila port will be brought by rail to FTI and distribute it to the truckers... Unfortunately it didn't went click because apparently they find it that there were lots of traffic in that area and that the roads are quite small... As a result, ICTSC went on action and finds Canlubang as their distribution point and vice-versa... At Canluband, truckers need not to go to FTI just to pick up...[QUOTE]

Yeah I think a location more closer to the old ICTSI one would be evn better. A company could get by with half the amount of trucks as two return trips could be done in the time it now takes for one (dependant on where in southern Luzon its coming from).
The savings on time and equipment would be a big bonus for the trucking companies, depsite the fact trains are being used for part of the way now.

Brad

Isn't that what the Linkage Project will do? So when the Northrail and Southrail is completed, including the Linkage Project, people will be able to travel from Bicol to say...Clark without a hitch? Or are they different platforms?


^^ Will stop only to pick-up passengers in Manila but you don't need to bring your cargos out again just to transfer for Northrail Trains... It really matters di ba? That's why there must be a continous ride for comfort....

Wow went away for two hours to pick up the wife and posts have jumped two pages.

Brad

How is that APEC meeting affecting life in Sydney? I heard they have boxed-in the meeting area...


^^ Yup!!! we have to wait! It's too exciting... First of all, Northrail is the First ever railway project of Chinese here in South East Asia. Chinese will do their best to finished it on time. Future Chinese Railway Projects for S.E. Asia lies on the Northrail Project Performance.

Are they the same contractors which took part in the railway project to Tibet?

^^ I guess the Southrail counterpart would also have stations similar to these. Let say at Lucena and San Pablo... Bigger cities would have stations large enough to accomodate passengers in the future. The Calamba Station probably will have a multiplatform capable of accomodating trains at the same time.. As time pass by with an increasing railway patronage from passengers, the Southrail will have to think for a better way of travelling through train.. A Northrail-Southrail train direct will be benificial for those passengers going to DMIA from Bicol without dropping at Manila... That's worthy...

God.. I saw my hometown name again.. If things here are just simple and not politicized.. argh! :(

Courtesy of Sir kalbongdad

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Huge thanks Sir kalbongdad.
Interesting looking train. Not really a DMU in the true sense of the term. It actually seems to be made up of head end power with unpowered carriages like our XPT.

http://www.festtravel.co.uk/images/tourpics54/Oz-XPT.jpg

Isn't that what the Linkage Project will do? So when the Northrail and Southrail is completed, including the Linkage Project, people will be able to travel from Bicol to say...Clark without a hitch? Or are they different platforms?

IMO they will operate much like the Luzon provincial buses, where the South Metro buses does not have a franchise to operate North of the Metro and vise versa...

But I hope I'm wrong...

^^ The old Malolos Station will be preserve and it is situated at the right portion of the new station... There were several more stations to be preserved and will have repairs to be conducted. This will serve as site for tourists.

It is indeed great news that they are looking at preserving some of the historic stations. I honestly didn't think they would take that care.
Good on them.

As for the new Malolos station. Wow. You sure thats not an airport :lol:

Brad

God.. I saw my hometown name again.. If things here are just simple and not politicized.. argh! :(


Browse the earlier posts here (around Aug 28-29)... I posted pics of the Sn. Pablo crossing... Lots of houses to be demolished there...

^^message edit. Saw it. It is along Maharlika Highway. As of today, I haven't heard of any demolition here (that involves with Southrail).. But I'll check it out.. If only I could go to the station then it will be better.. :D

I went to San Pedro last saturday and was able to pass by the Biñan(?) Station.. Maputik! I'll try to take a pic of it this weekend..

^^ This is what happens when you clear the line from Tutuban to Blumentrit to Espanya to Sta. Mesa all the way to Alabang. Nice looking di ba? Maluwag at maaliwalas...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/1308748968_f1de7ef97c_o.jpg

Shhhhhhhhhhh, if the road lobby sees this they will demand it becomes a highway :lol:

well...being new projects...i thinks...the stations will most probably be modern....the design though i think will vary...considering that the southrail...or orange line...is being done by the koreans...and the northrail..green line...is being done by the chinese.


I think the Chinese are doing Southrail, at least thats what appeared in a recent article.
The Koreans aresupposed to be just doing the linkage project. Unless the Chinese have recently pulled the plug due to the Northrail hassles.

Brad

Speaking of BCDA, got some articles from their website... Don't know if this has been posted before...

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Its interesting that they refer to the trains they are getting as DMUs, but the artist impression clearly shows a head end powered train with rollingstock.

Brad

Yep. I think that is the way to go.. The government should preserve the appearance of this structure(Paco station) since it is one of the few remaining structures that define Filipino Archi.

WoS: That is the northrail train?! Ang ganda! Beautiful :D I have mix feelings with the Malolos Station. Looks like a gymnasium to me. hehehe About the FTI proposal, It could be a good terminal for freight.. I don't know with Passenger terminal.. Paco could be a good central passenger terminal since it is near the boundary of Manila and Makati. :)


Who do we have to pay to get an audience with the President???
Would be nice to be able to ask her all the big questions. They certainly never get answered on the www.gov.ph forums.

Gymnasium :lol: Your right, it does lool like one.
Does that mean your gymnasiums look like train stations though :)

Brad

^^ Well actually it isn't a DMU, but it is a locomotive pulling a 4 car coaches. DMU appears to be a car but self-propelled and all of their boggies (axle) are driving. This is nice considering that most of the commuter trains in Europe, America and Australia are being pulled by electric loco, meaning economical. DMU also will be used on this line....

Opps you have already mentioned the DMU thing. Sorry, I am just way behind in posts.
Actually in Australia the last regularly hauled passenger trains using an electric loco finished a couple of years ago.
Due to the privatisation of our railways it is far more expensive to use electric than diesel. The greenies don't mind either as electricity production is far more polluting than the diesel from the loco.
In the drawing you can't see the other end of the train. I woder if a second locomotive pushes from behind. I also wonder if the locomotives are flexable enough for freight haulage as well as the passenger work?

Look forward to photographing these new locos.

Brad

Brad: haha.. Well it looks modern alright.. :lol: but it does look like a gymnasium. I'm sorry guys. Just voicing out what I feel. They could have done a better design.. :D

according to wikipedia (again with me relying on that dang website) it goes up to 130kph.... but I saw Korean DMU trains that looked like High speed trains. Oh well. Guess I'll have to wait :)

We have had DMUs that operate over 160kph, for a while one was the fastest train in Australia.
There is also a strange one out here that is virtually a DMU for containers. The end power cars actually are a container wagon. However as the carriages in the middle are not powered it isn't strictly true.

Brad