Velika Gorica

Grande Gorizia

Grand Guriza

I believe could be nice to have a discussion about the future of Gorizia and NovaGorica. As we all know, the cities are intertwined and their biggest hope for the future is to completely integrate.

The total population of a conurbation including Gorizia, Savogna, Nova Gorica, Sempeter-Vrtojba plus immediate sorroundings would be about 80,000 inhabitants. Thus making it the third city in Friuli Venezia Giulia (italian region) and third city of Slovenia (or am I wrong?).

The cities are tight close, but the infrastructures still don't overlap completely. There's much work to do, this could be a dream for an urban developer and architects, a bit like West and East Berlin.

Ok, just to give it a start, I attach a picture explaining the situation clearly:

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grzarea1em9.png

(edit: image doesnt seem to show up, go to link: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grzarea1em9.png)

The first thing to do is to completely delete border - connect all streets, roads and other ways, then would be a good thing to do is joined city bus, then also existing train routes could go into other city, concerts could be on border line etc...

Interesting hehe :)

Bus line Groizia - Nova Gorica has been running since 2004 and it costs 1€, other than that Nova Gorica bus fares are free.

Interesting hehe :)

Bus line Groizia - Nova Gorica has been running since 2004 and it costs 1€, other than that Nova Gorica bus fares are free.

Whole bus lines should be new and should be running in town(s) like in one single city!

Thus making it the third city of Slovenia

Guys from Celje will kill ya. :D

Guys from Celje will kill ya. :D

Why???

Because celje is at the moment third biggest city in slovenia... :)

Why???

Celje is currently the third biggest city in Slovenia (if we do not count Trst as a part of Slovenia).

Celje is currently the third biggest city in Slovenia (if we do not count Trst as a part of Slovenia).

If we would count Trst than we also can count Celovec andalso Beljak, but i don't know how many people live in Beljak!
And what then if Celje wouldn't be anymore on third place, I wouldn't mind that! But even if this happen Nova Gorica would still have same population as before...

U can't count any city outside of Slovenia as a part of Slovenia. We don't have any official collonies. I thought that was/is logical... :lol:

I understand your confusion.

What I meant is that - under a simply urban point of view - Gorizia, NG and Sempeter are already one city. And if we look at both FVG region and Slovenia, as far as I know this is the overall top10:

1) Ljubljana
2) Triest/Trieste/Trst
3) Maribor
4) Udin/Udine
5) "Greater GO"
6) Pordenon/Pordenone
7) Celje
8) Kranj
9) Koper/Capodistria
10) Novo Mesto

Anyway, please everybody avoid any nationalist attempt in this topic. I don't feel really italian, but neither I do feel slovenian. I'm just proud of my region (Küstenland/Litorale/Primorska) and I'm a strong European patriot. :)

ok, back to topic.

DinoBond is right, the first thing to do should be work on the road network. close to Transalpina/Woheiner/Bohinjska trainstation (former North Gorizia, now Nova Gorica) goes the border, and there you see one striking idiot thing: two parallel roads running by, divided by a wall. each of them quite narrow! and in the same square in front of train station, no more wall (so we look cool) but they placed flower stoney baskets, so you can't pass the border with car.

same thing goes with many other roads.
although, something is moving...

for example, the shorter way to connect Gorizia and NG town centres is no more the outskirts road coming from CasaRossa/RoznaDolina border point (which enters NG from south-east, under Panovec tunnel); but the again opened to traffic central road of S.Gabriele/Erjavceva. the ancient name of the road is "of the Graveyard" because it leaded to the big graveyard, located where now is NG townhall :lol:

it's a straight long road, along with Corso Italia/Verdi, the longest urban road in the conglomeration. I would love to see it renamed "Europe avenue" (viale Europa, Evropska ulica). :):):)

all border points have been opened to traffic apart one: Rafut/Pristava one, just behind Gorizia castle (ancient name Prestau). it's still a walk-only passage, and this annoyed me a lot because would be my shortest way to go to LJ...:ohno: (they planted those antitraffic columns right after opening up the border!)

by the way, this online map KICKS ASS.
http://www.nova-gorica.si/karta_mesta/index.html

:cheers:

U can't count any city outside of Slovenia as a part of Slovenia. We don't have any official collonies. I thought that was/is logical... :lol:

I also thought that a part of a country can not just be annexed to another, but the example of Trieste tells us otherwise. That's why I still count Trieste as a Slovenian, not an Italian city.

I also thought that a part of a country can not just be annexed to another, but the example of Trieste tells us otherwise. That's why I still count Trieste as a Slovenian, not an Italian city.
Triest once upon a time: biggest slovenian city, but still, with an italian majority.
and most important, build and ruled by austrian people.

so I guess whatever state would annex it, it would be something wrong.

we must be united now that we are all in EU!

Why would anyone count Trieste as part of Slovenia? :rofl: And it's not like Koper or Sežana can count as its suburbs. :lol:

I know what u meant with the 2 roads.. it looks stupid now, and that fence in the middle while you're on the way to the supposed monument of openness of borders is just a joke :D

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/S4010395.jpg

The square, however, has those flower pots there, because it's supposed to be a car-free zone, and i don't think cars will ever be allowed to cross the square. The centre circle is also raised quite high above ground level for the exact same reason.
The area has huge potential tho :cheers:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/S4010391.jpg

ah ok... well... it would be a nice roundabout though :D

Actually the biggest city that's attracted by Slovenia's gravity, is Zagreb. :lol:

Verso i didn't quite understand you. Could you clarify your point about Zagreb's (cultural) influence extremely attracting towards Slovenia?

iono if anyone got what he meant :lol:

Verso, you are posting (very) stupid comments!!!!

ah ok... well... it would be a nice roundabout though :D

That's what the hysterical people who live on Via S. Gabriele suggested after their street became busy with traffic again. Apparently living there now is hell on earth and even their clothes, drying outside, are gray from the traffic :hammer: Looks like they never saw a normal city road before. But now that parking has been limited to only one side, the road is great and wide enough. One thing tho - wish the Italian side would take down that boot on the border already, they don't seem to care much, that's untill some old lady going home from a casino hits it, like so many sidewalks here :lol:

yeah... I don't get these people living in that road. just because the road used to be deadend, doesn't mean it would be forever. it's a wide road, not a narrow historical one. so they should shut up.

have you ever gone to Italy by Kostanjevica hill? crazy huh? the path in the bush lol.

I wish they poured down a little stripe of asphalt, and put up some signs. it's a nice path, unknown to tourists. should be a pedwalk from "palazzo Attems" to the sanctuary.

have you ever gone to Italy by Kostanjevica hill? crazy huh? the path in the bush lol.

Oh I haven't been there yet actually, a friend and I once saw there was some run down "ancient" path there so we wanted to see where it went (this was some 9 years back tho) and a few meters down there were 2 Slovenian policemen with a dog in full alert for some illegal imigrants staring at us, so we backed off :D) I go up that hill quite frequently tho.. and i bet noone knows about that path on our side either, cause leterally like u said "path in the bush" :lol: There are however those small chapels all along the way, aren't there?

Verso i didn't quite understand you. Could you clarify your point about Zagreb's (cultural) influence extremely attracting towards Slovenia?It's close to Slovenia, I don't know where you got that culture.

Verso, you are posting (very) stupid comments!!!!Look who's talking. You could be friend with Radi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=116208). :lol: Great sig, btw. :doh:

Oh I haven't been there yet actually, a friend and I once saw there was some run down "ancient" path there so we wanted to see where it went (this was some 9 years back tho) and a few meters down there were 2 Slovenian policemen with a dog in full alert for some illegal imigrants staring at us, so we backed off :D) I go up that hill quite frequently tho.. and i bet noone knows about that path on our side either, cause leterally like u said "path in the bush" :lol: There are however those small chapels all along the way, aren't there?
you should try the way, now it's perfectly legal to trespass the "border"... you'll find it amusing to not find any sign of a real border at all. but the path is well marked in the bush by hundreds of years of pilgrimage!

there used to be a small chapel on the italian side, but now it's a private house i guess. from the italian side, it was the pilgrims road to the sanctuary.

what I love in our city is that you can go in 5 minutes walking from a busy street to some hill with cows too :lol:

by the way, there's an utopia which always fascinated me:
"Greater GO" as a new European federal capital?

I know it's very little. but look at maps: this area is the only in Europe where all 3 main cultures mix (germanic, slavic, lathin). the exact place would be around Tarvis and Kranjska Gora, but those are villages.

while Gorizia/Gorica is a unique city REALLY on a border, with both slavic and lathin populations AND austrian heritage (all ancient buildings, name of noble families, etc - been under Wien since 1501, before Salzburg!)

another pick would be Triest. sure bigger and more famous, but if I may say, where the hell do you put all Euro infrastructures? the city is narrow between Karst and sea, and still is NOT on a border...

Gorizia still has a flat good area to build a whole new "city", it's north of Montesanto, left of Solkan.

yes yes I know I'm just kidding, no way Europe would "move" in here, but just imagine! :nuts:

Gorizia still has a flat good area to build a whole new "city", it's north of Montesanto, left of Solkan.


Yeah, that area appears in my wet dreams too, as a CBD with highrises and skyscrapers, sort of La Defense :D

you should try the way, now it's perfectly legal to trespass the "border"... you'll find it amusing to not find any sign of a real border at all. but the path is well marked in the bush by hundreds of years of pilgrimage!

there used to be a small chapel on the italian side, but now it's a private house i guess. from the italian side, it was the pilgrims road to the sanctuary.

what I love in our city is that you can go in 5 minutes walking from a busy street to some hill with cows too :lol:

by the way, there's an utopia which always fascinated me:
"Greater GO" as a new European federal capital?

I know it's very little. but look at maps: this area is the only in Europe where all 3 main cultures mix (germanic, slavic, lathin). the exact place would be around Tarvis and Kranjska Gora, but those are villages.

while Gorizia/Gorica is a unique city REALLY on a border, with both slavic and lathin populations AND austrian heritage (all ancient buildings, name of noble families, etc - been under Wien since 1501, before Salzburg!)

another pick would be Triest. sure bigger and more famous, but if I may say, where the hell do you put all Euro infrastructures? the city is narrow between Karst and sea, and still is NOT on a border...

Gorizia still has a flat good area to build a whole new "city", it's north of Montesanto, left of Solkan.

yes yes I know I'm just kidding, no way Europe would "move" in here, but just imagine! :nuts:

wow cool idea:okay:, i'd also like the cities to merge more functionally, nice thread:okay:

It's close to Slovenia, I don't know where you got that culture.

Look who's talking. You could be friend with Radi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=116208). :lol: Great sig, btw. :doh:

Your words have no sence but that what I said has a point! You are talking about Zagreb here which has nothing to do with Slovenia, those Slovenians who live in Zagreb have moved down there but those Slovenians who live in Gorica, Trst or Celovec have been there from always because those cities used to be in Slovenia!!!

Don't push yourself too much, you might get a heart attack. :wave:

pardon

Triest and Görz never have been part of Slovenia. nothing against this idea, I really like Slovenia, but... that's just a lie unfortunately.

Slovenia, considering its current borders, is a modern entity. it finds roots mostly in the province of Krain, but also in southern Steiermark. of course now it includes about half of the province of Küstenland. but the difference is that this region has always had only two capital cities: Triest on local area, Wien on upper level. Slovenians were the main ethnic part, but still no more than 60% of total. the tradition and identity of Küstenland was: MIXTURE. you couldnt place Küstenland among the german, slavic or hungarian provinces of the Empire. it was one of the few completely mixed areas. friulians and italians mostly lived on the coastline and had majority in the cities. slovenians lived in the mountains and hillside. croatians in inner Istria. austrians were few and lived almost only in biggest cities. but most important, there was a high number of mixed-race people. because this was normal, there was not much ethnic fight.
when italians invaded the Empire and conquered Küstenland, they started being racist. this worstened ethnic relations of course. and then, it went worst and worst with second world war and the crazy border cutting towns and villages. massive immigration from southern Italy and from Serbia, in order to interrupt historical ties between slavic and lathin people of area.

therefore, this debate is unnecessary.
let's go back to topic please :)

We deserve to be ruled by the Habsburgs. Good ole' times...

Shouldn't the thread title be Großgörz?

my german is not very good.

I wanted to translate the formula used for places like London: "Greater London". which is right?

Greater Berlin = Großberlin/Groß-Berlin. I think Groß-Görz sounds best.

good news.

they will build a big roundabout by the border of CasaRossa/RoznaDolina (former name Rosental), on the italian side. right now, in order to reach Slovenia you must take a longer road passing around the vast parking area. it's impossible to reach Slovenia directly from via Alviano (and so center of city): the road coming out of border is one-way only in the last piece before crossroad.

:)

other funny thing: italians living in the northenmost part of the city and arriving by RA (raccordo autostradale, expressway link) from south, usually exit from that in Slovenia (Sempeter) and enter in Italy back after. this because they avoid Gorizia centre, which is usually busy with traffic. while on other side, many roads are 70 km/h.

^thank god about that roundabout.. that section is terrible, oneway here there, straight lane here right there :nuts:. Btw, dunno what the deal is with that stretch of road leading from Gorizia cementery towards Miren (Merna), there's the old (ex?) airport on one side and a couple of industrial buildings on the other, the road is straight, no curves and yet the speed limit is painful 50km/h.. seems like forever to go trough that and most of the time cops lurk on drivers there.. there should be at least 60 if not 70km/h limit..

^thank god about that roundabout.. that section is terrible, oneway here there, straight lane here right there :nuts:. Btw, dunno what the deal is with that stretch of road leading from Gorizia cementery towards Miren (Merna), there's the old (ex?) airport on one side and a couple of industrial buildings on the other, the road is straight, no curves and yet the speed limit is painful 50km/h.. seems like forever to go trough that and most of the time cops lurk on drivers there.. there should be at least 60 if not 70km/h limit..
I absolutely agree :bash:

have you heard about those houses built in Italy by Slovenian firm, and sold on slovenian market?

that's some interesting signal. I wonder if they have any problem living "abroad"... I mean bureaucracy and stuff.

There shouldn't be any problems.

the road is straight, no curves and yet the speed limit is painful 50km/h..

Aren't things like this quite common in Italy? I don't travel often to Italy but my friends told me about weird speed limits.

There shouldn't be any problems.



Aren't things like this quite common in Italy? I don't travel often to Italy but my friends told me about weird speed limits.
yes quite common.

higher speed limit requires better pavement of road, and so money.

but most important, in Italy houses come before roads. this means that if there is just one private house on the way, they will make a fuss about not increasing the speed limit. because then, the house people would complain about having their own life "endangered by crazy racers" :lol:

back to the Slovenians in Gorizia... I think they won't get italian citizenship. but still, they will live and possess a house in Italy. how does this work? who they will pay taxes to? garbage tax to Italy and job tax to Slovenia? :nuts:

Yes. They will pay a lot of Slovenian taxes like they would live in Slovenia, except for services which are provided by Italy.

They opened that shopping mall today in Nova Gorica, it looks very nice and i saw loads of Italians (and the cast of Slovenian Big Brother :lol:)

I was there today XD

yeah, pretty big one. and cooool sexy shop too !

hehehe

^lol i haven't dared to enter that yet :D

they are already planning on expanding it apparently, within the next 2 years, and build a lit fountain with a rose in the middle of the roundabout... we'll see

btw i read some comments on Gorizia oggi, they're funny :D Gorizia is really falling behind tho

^lol i haven't dared to enter that yet :D

:bash::bash:

I have read on local newspaper that NG mayor Brulc has held a press meeting in Gorizia, both to officially introduce QLandia in Italy, and to present the future development of NG.

I wonder if anyone has more details. from what I've read, huuuuge stuff! EDA center, Majske Poljane, bigger QLandia, Obi commercial centre, new roundabouts, other houses somewhere and another road bypass of NG???? they said north-south direction, but sounds stupid, you already have one? just finished, bypass of Solkan...

I think he meant this for the northern bypass (Kromberk Bypass) although it's like east. This is the only one proposed atm, to my knowledge.

http://www.nova-gorica.si/gids_mma.php/bW1hLm5zZi9PQy8wODAxMDkxMTE2NDlBLyRmaWxlL2RhdG8zX29wcG5fcm9ua2V0X29ibW9jamVfMDJhLmpwZw==/dato3_oppn_ronket_obmocje_02a.jpg

http://www.nova-gorica.si/gids_mma.php/bW1hLm5zZi9PQy8wODAxMDkxMTQxMDI5LyRmaWxlL2RhdG8zX29wcG5fdm9kb3ZvZG5hX29ibW9jamVfMDFhLmpwZw==/dato3_oppn_vodovodna_obmocje_01a.jpg

Majske poljane (right behind the old Transalpina station)

http://www.arhiforum.si/natecaji/zeleznica/ravnikar/z_jugovzhoda_600.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.si/natecaji/zeleznica/ravnikar/z_jugozahoda_600.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.si/natecaji/zeleznica/ravnikar/s_severovzhoda_600.jpg

detail of tower A
http://www.sadarvuga.com/common/picture.php?pid=1266


construction site
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/S4010234.jpg


Eda center

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/EDAcenter-1.jpg

construction site
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/S4010241.jpg

as for the houses, there is some exclusively rich neigbourhood planned omewhere east of Rožna dolina (Valdifiori:D) and on Bonetovšče-Fajdigovšče, on a hill overlooking NG

there will also be a lit fountain in the middle of Qlandia roundabout as an entrance to the city, the new city park and skate park near Qlandia
http://www.greenkeys.org/media/files/location_pp.jpg

http://www.greenkeys.org/media/files/presentation_plan.jpg

the new ER for the hospital in Šempeter

http://www.arhiforum.si/natecaji/bolnica/93533/rend_1_600.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.si/natecaji/bolnica/93533/rend_2_600.jpg

new neigbourhood under Kostanjevica hill
http://www.arhiforum.si/natecaji/streliska/98341/situac_sirse_600.gif

plus some other smaller appartment blocks, amongst them the recently completed ones near the future Majske poljane

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/Nova%20Gorica/S4010204.jpg


House Zvezda
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/DSC01017.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2182568911_11e3b96b1a.jpg?v=0

and the apartment building next to it
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/S4010229.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/LoKeY84/S4010230.jpg

Those colors on the last apartment block remind me of 70s wallpaper.

that makes 2 of us, but since i like retro.. :D

wow, I love these replies of yours :D
thanks for posting all those pics!

1) I still don't get the Kromberk Bypass... what traffic direction is meant to help? you know, the Solkan one was build to make it quicker to go from Isonzo/Soca/Sontig valley to Sempeter and Vipava valley, without passing thru city centre. and this?

2) ooooh first time I see visuals for Eda center. I must say, I'm a little disappointed. I like tall buildings, but this one doesn't look very cool as shape. anyway, we'll see.

3) Majske Poljane visuals look very exciting and futuristic. expecially those "twisted" blocks!

4) I hope you won't build too many houses in green areas, I think the most beautiful treasure of our city will always be the nature all around and getting inside the streets.

glad to be of assistance =)

1) well kromberk bypass would mainly be used for "rescuing" Kromberk from traffic, or to divide the cars that go/come from Solkan or Šempeter, to lessen the congestion. Plus it'll be used for the future industrial zone Kromberk.

2) I agree.. the 1st render for it was better, hope at least, there will be some more glass

3) anything would look better there as the current wasteland (u know, too close to the capitalist Italians during the cold war:D)

4) yeah i hope that too, but no need to worry too much, at least, about the green areas in Nova Gorica as we have a decree that allows a new building only if the investor provides, if possible, parking under ground and a substantial amount of green around the building, as weill be the case with Eda center as well

that makes 2 of us, but since i like retro.. :D

we all like retro :):cheers:

4) yeah i hope that too, but no need to worry too much, at least, about the green areas in Nova Gorica as we have a decree that allows a new building only if the investor provides, if possible, parking under ground and a substantial amount of green around the building, as weill be the case with Eda center as well
excellent!

on the italian side we have a very strict "Piano Regolatore" (urban development plan), maybe too strict. I understand and fully approve, defending every little tree or forest. but... we must also not build on grass fields???? because that's "special environment"?

lol

this is what prevents Montesanto northern piece to grow.

lol well we have such people here as well, but they don't make a big fuss about it...

Btw, went by piazza Vittoria the other day, about 1/4 is finished or so? What about Via Rastello? Do they plan on replacing that horrid asphalt? And about that "ascensore al castello di Gorizia", any news? :D

I hope you won't build too many houses in green areasyeah i hope that tooAre you sure you're "just a small town dude with a big city attitude"? :D Joke. :cheers:

Are you sure you're "just a small town dude with a big city attitude"? :D Joke. :cheers:

Well of course :)

I hope they won't build too many houses in the green areas. At least apartment blocks, if not skyscrapers. :lol:

Yeah, the NG green areas are so precious that only a Burj Dubai can do it. :lol: Joke #2. :D

piazza Grande (Travnik for slovenians and piazza Vittoria for fascists :D) is more than 1/4 finished! I would say about half! it will be opened by NYE I think.

via Rastello will soon be part of the plan of improvement of historic streets. they will place little stone blocks, very artistic, with lights from the ground to the facades of buildings.

same thing with close-by via delle Monache, and other centre streets such as via Mazzini (close to townhall) and most important, via Teatro (or via Garibaldi).

then they will improve also the look of piazza s.Antonio, in front of Hotel Entourage, and riva Castello (the road going up to castle).

that's it, if I am right.

temporary roundabouts of p.le Medaglie d'Oro (arrival of Erjavceva/S.Gabriele) and p.le Divisione Mantova (entry of city from Isonzo bridge) will be soon made "permanent".

then, someday, they'll place roundabouts between via Alviano (university of Trieste) and RoznaDolina border point; and in the wide crossroad in front of train station.

^Awesome news.. Rastello will become the main street of Gorizia's Chinatown in a couple of years anyway :D

btw: Majske poljane

tower A
http://www.sadarvuga.com/common/picture.php?pid=1266

tower C & tower B
http://www.kontrastblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/26.jpg

I think Gorizia's chinatown is more about via Carducci! the old "HerrenGasse" or "Gosposka ulica". now "kitajska ulica"? :D

oh is that the street from that "somethingdeutsch" palace forward? :D not good with Italian street names, even less with the old count names :D (i know there's a "gastronomia cinese" on the other side of the road from the palace) :D

there are many "somethingdeutsch" buildings in Gorizia... can't say if you're talking of the right one :D

anyway:

Partiranno entro dicembre del 2009 i lavori di adeguamento della Villesse-Gorizia. La promessa arriva dall'assessore regionale alla Viabilità e sub commissario per la terza corsia dell'A4, Riccardo Riccardi.
Primo atto del commissario Renzo Tondo sarà la convocazione, per il 21 ottobre a Gorizia, la conferenza di servizi per il raccordo che dovrà avviare gli espropri. L'intervento richiederà un finanziamento di oltre 172 milioni di euro e avrà una durata di 1.095 giorni.

Basically, it means that they finally approved the transformation of Villesse-Gorizia road into a motorway. Effective works will start by december 2009, and should end by december 2012.

^ Great, this route over Gorizia / Nova Gorica will be more competitive then.

o capito anche in italiano, ma x altri vabbe :D ma grazie a dio, xche era una disgrazia, poi sará anche meglio x fare shopping in Ikea (anno2050) :lol: =)

o capito anche in italiano, ma x altri vabbe :D ma grazie a dio, xche era una disgrazia, poi sará anche meglio x fare shopping in Ikea (anno2050) :lol: =)

IKEA bo 2009. odprta v Trstu, jo že gradijo. :yes:

noh lpo to hehe, čeprav po trstu in okolici se sploh ne maram vozit... js sm sicer slišu za villesse, da nj bi bla največja v regiji

IKEA bo 2009. odprta v Trstu, jo že gradijo. :yes:

sorry za off: kaj pa Celovec?

sorry za off: kaj pa Celovec?

Ja, v Celovcu naj bi se tega novembra odprla.
http://www.ikea-group.ikea.com/?ID=541&view=coming

hehe celovec je predaleč za primorce, sploh pa zdj, ko je zaprt vsak drugi meter ceste

Villesse is not even in the Triest district... they did same thing with airport. everything built in Gorizia district, but named after Triest. mah!

so these IKEA in Villesse and Trieste are the same thing or wha? Coz Villesse is miiiiles away from Trieste, it's closer to Gorizia actually.. so i'm really confused.

Triest = NO Ikea

Villesse = YES Ikea

they call the big things after the bigger city in the nearby area -.-"

The Provincia/Pokraijna of Gorizia is currently planning on a railway link between Villesse and Ljubljana, passing by Gorizia/NovaGorica.

This would mean to build up a line between Villesse and Gorizia, and then there are two options: serious investment on the NovaGorica-Sezana line OR building up a new line from NG to LJ straight eastwards (not going to Sezana or to Jesenice).

The project aims at transferring the trucks from the A4 to the railway, in order to lighten the incoming huge traffic on this link.

Keep in mind that the 3rd lane of the A4 will stop at Villesse, and not go until Triest. This because of the terrifying devastation of the nature, and its skyrocketing prices of construction. This means, 3 lanes per way from Venice to Villesse (completed within 2014), and then a choice for the driver to LJ:
- 2 lanes "classic" motorway going by Triest and Sezana
or
- 2 lanes "new" motorway going by Gorizia and Razdrto (slovenian side completed within 2009, italian side completed within 2012)

This means, everybody will pick the second option (much shorter) aside from people and trucks going to Triest or sorroundings.

^^ Do you know, if the A4 will really be widened "just" to Villesse, b/c some sources, like this one (http://www.quattroruote.it/news/articolo.cfm?codice=157281), claim that it will be widened all the way to Gorizia. Also, from Mestre to Gorizia it's 110 km, from Mestre to Villesse just 90 or so kms, and articles mention 110 km. Though I think to Villesse is more than enough, maybe even just to Palmanova (A23). But it's not true that the route over Gorizia / Nova Gorica will be much shorter; just a few kms.

trust me, there will be 3 lanes per way between Mestre and Villesse. instead, the Villesse-Gorizia will have just 2 lanes per way, but in the context of a real motorway, with emergency lane and 130 km/h speed limit.

Yeah, it would still be widened all the way to Gorizia, but in a way that to Villesse it would be added a driving lane, and to Gorizia an emergency lane. :)

ah yes, maybe I misunderstood your previous post.

^^ No, I misunderstood the article at first.

Majske poljane: Towers A, B, C (2nd pic in the back)

http://beta.finance-on.net/pics/cache_Un/Untitled-1.1225041731.jpg

http://www.kontrastblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/26.jpg

Starting this monday and ending before 20 december, italian authorities will finally demolish the border checkpoints (already demolished on the slovenian side). On 20 december, a joint celebration is planned to remember the first anniversary of slovenian membership in Schengen area.

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It has been presented in Venezia the project for an innovative "shopping mall" in the center of Gorizia. The structure will be quite vast (for such an urban environment) and will take place between via S.Chiara and via Dante. The middle road, via Boccaccio, will become pedonal area. This mall will be different because will promote almost only local or quality food, thus incorporating the existing historical market. The other half of the structure will be built ex novo on the current void market parking place between via S.Chiara and via Boccaccio. An aerial walkway will join the two areas. Cafeterias will be opened inside. Cars will park underground, and there might be an entry on via Brass, which runs on the old path of Corno/Koren brook.

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Local authorities of Friuli-Venezia-Giulia and western Slovenia will present before 1st december a request for financement to European Union. The ambitious project is to create a train link between NovaGorica, Gorizia, Ronchi airport, Trieste, Koper. Partly using existing railway, partly building new bits, the train won't be hi-speed (AV/AC) but will operate on a very frequent timetable. Further projects aim at building a new railway between NovaGorica and Ljubljana, in order to finally stop the embarassing isolation.
The price for the whole project is huge, but there are chances it might be accepted because it would be the first infrastructure built across EU borders which is meant for local transport and not high distances.

That is great news. This area shuold really be linked a bit better to the rest of the world.

great news, the track would be, of course, electrified, i hope... we need to get rid of at least some of old diesels... they're well beyond their time

Further projects aim at building a new railway between NovaGorica and Ljubljana, in order to finally stop the embarassing isolation.I doubt this will happen. It may be embarrassing, but you have to admit that this new railway would go from Ljubljana to pretty much "nowhere". Sorry to express myself like that, but Nova Gorica is a town of only 20,000 inhabitants. It wouldn't matter, if it was on a transit rail corridor, but it isn't. You can add the population of Gorizia and get some 70,000 people, which is already more (and of course all the population along the railway). But, even the towns combined aren't terribly big, and even will all the Schengen stuff, cross-border movements are still quite limited. It's like that even in Benelux, with their almost-50-year free borders. Countries are still important. I'd instead improve the existing line(s) and introduce faster trains. After all we're talking about railway, which can't compete with road.

thing is, everyone in my region doubts there will ever be the famous Corridor 5 (high-speed railway from Spain to Hungary).

there are projects of course, and this train should run from Venezia to Triest to Ljubljana...

but look, they did not even start the work on the french-italian border. a Trenitalia manager has said that trains between Venezia and Triest are classified "C priority". this means, they will build Corridor5 here, when they will have money.

and with the current financial chrisis, this is even postponed. some people started thinking it would be better to build smaller railways and modernizing old ones instead. at least that could be done in a few years, without dramatic ecological damage (such as linking Triest and Koper to the Corridor5).

many other strongly proposed the high-speed railway to pass by Gorizia/NovaGorica, because of much easier topography and shorter path. but of course this has been rejected by portual authorities of Triest and Koper (which could have been connected with short, quick, freight-only trains).

my opinion?
there won't be any NG-LJ railway, and no highspeed train between Venezia and Ljubljana. at least until 2030.

Oh, so you're for the V. Corridor to run through Gorizia/Nova Gorica, and not Trieste. This of course changes the perspective. But I don't know what will be in the end.

this is what i found on trieste.rvnet.eu (http://trieste.rvnet.eu/2008/11/14/metropolitana-leggera-entro-il-2017/)

Metropolitana leggera entro il 2017
14 Novembre 2008

Una metropolitana leggera che colleghi Trieste a Capodistria, Gorizia, Nova Gorica, Venezia, Ronchi, Lubiana. Sarà possibile a partire dal 2017.
Ieri tutte le istituzioni interessate hanno incominciato a valutare l’ipotesi di costruire questa ferrovia che potrebbe unire territori che fino ad oggi sono completamente assenti di infrastrutture. Comuni, Province, Regioni, Autorità poruali e Autorità aeroportuali si sono incontrati ieri.

L’opera potrebbe anche venir costruita con i finanziamenti dell’Unione europea se ricevesse l’ok da Bruxelles. Fondi europei e Banca europea per gli investimenti.

Lo spunto viene dal Sistema ferroviario metropolitano adottato dalla Regione Veneto dove treni ad elevata frequenza uniscono i diversi punti della regione. E’ stata l’amministrazione provinciale di Trieste ad aver avuto l’idea di riproporre la stessa cosa però questa volta con l’intenzione di unire città di regioni e nazioni diverse.

Entro marzo ci dovrebbe essere la conferma o meno se i finanziamenti ci saranno o meno. Il progetto esecutivo dovrebbe portar via altri due anni quindi i lavori.

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i'm too lazy to translate :D

^^ Google Translate:

"Delo bi se lahko tudi zgrajena s financiranjem EU, če se zdravilo daje v redu iz Bruslja."

:rofl:

roflol kko lahko prevede l'ok v zdravilo mi tut ni jasno :lol:

no v glavnem, če dobi potrditev v bruslju in financiranje itd, bi se lahko začelo gradit leta 2017... Včeri se mi ni dalo prevajat, dans pa itq delam pa je dolgcajt =)

Supernova and OBI are being built on Majske poljane, next to the three towers. Should finish in 2009.

29.750 m2 of com. space
7.400 m2 of cinema halls

It will incorporate some of the old station's landmarked buildings including the old train depots turned into a market and event space and the old water tower.

what is Supernova?

and offtopic, foreign movies in Slovenia are translated or just subtitled?

Supernova is a chain of shopping centres. Movies in Slovenia are subtitled except for some animated movies for children they are displayed usually as both synchronized and subtitled version. I am very happy that we have this because mostly a synchronized movie is totally ruined. No matter if it is a movie or a cartoon.

Supernova is a chain of shopping centres. Movies in Slovenia are subtitled except for some animated movies for children they are displayed usually as both synchronized and subtitled version. I am very happy that we have this because mostly a synchronized movie is totally ruined. No matter if it is a movie or a cartoon.

Good example are movies on german TV channels. Players lose their character :ohno:

like when i saw x-Files on some german channel and Scully had deeper voice than Mulder :lol:
But Italians have great synchronizing skills, voices usually completely match the originals, as do the emotions. The only problem is, that the movie still isn't what it was meant to be in the original. Plus, most of them don't know squat of English, because they almost never hear it.

French dubs are also great. But I support subtitles.

as of now, you don't have any kino in NovaGorica?

we do, in the centre, but it's hardly worth that name - kino :D

Gorizia Oggi (http://goriziaoggi.typepad.com/gorizia_oggi/2008/11/metropolitana-leggera-tra-gorizia-il-veneto-e-la-slovenia.html)

Metropolitana leggera tra Gorizia, il Veneto e la Slovenia

Una metropolitana tra Friuli Venezia Giulia, Veneto e Slovenia. Passerà anche per Gorizia la circolare metropolitana che potrebbe collegare l'area capodistriana ed i territori di Trieste e Gorizia ai tre poli aeroportuali di Ronchi dei Legionari, Venezia e Lubiana.

Sull'iniziativa verrà valutata l'assegnazione delle risorse finanziarie sui programmi di cooperazione transfrontaliera Italia-Slovenia 2007-2013. "Inizia dunque un percorso - sottolinea l'assessore regionale alla Viabilità ed ai trasporti, Riccardo Riccardi - sul quale registro...

con soddisfazione la disponibilità e la coesione di tante istituzioni, al di qua ed al di là del confine". A disposizione del progetto ci potrebbero essere 3,35 milioni di euro, di cui 400mila a carico della Regione. In particolare, il progetto - denominato ''Adria_A" - potrà essere finalizzato alla progettazione delle parti oggi mancanti alla metropolitana circolare Gorizia-NovaGorica-Sesana-Divaccia-Capodistria-Trieste-Monfalcone-Gorizia: si tratta della Trieste-Capodistria e della Gorizia-Nova Gorica, nonché dell'elettrificazione della Nova Gorica-Sesana.

^ Good luck. :P

wishing for a miracle would be more appropriate, i think =)

beware: it's not a new line. it's just a project to unify existing lines.

1) modernization of NovaGorica - Sezana line
2) improvements in the Koper-Triest area
2) new short track to Ronchi Airport (already close to line)
3) re-activation of Gorizia-NovaGorica line

and basically, that's all. a sort of railway circle, Gorizia-NG-Sezana-(Koper)-Triest-Monfalcone-airport-Gorizia.

yeh that's what the article says.. apart from that utopic NG-LJ line

tho where would that Nova Gorica - Gorizia line go?

it already exists!

"official" railway map
http://www.ilmondodeitreni.it/Gorizia%20-%20file/Gorizia7.JPG

taken from Google Maps
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5053/image2hu9.png

green line from Udin to Triest
blue line from Jesenice to Sežana
red line is the link between the two

:)

Why are/is Jesenice written in German? :D

Why are/is Jesenice written in German? :D
I don't have a clue.
It's an old map...

Why are/is Jesenice written in German? :D

And I think Ajdovščina in Italian (Aidussina)

Yeah, but if the map is Italian, that's normal. I'd also expect Nuova Gorizia though.

there is NO Nuova Gorizia ! ! :gunz: :lol:

Italians call it Nova Górica

Oh yeah I know, Nova Górica. :lol:

But there used to be "NUOVA GORIZIA" here (http://lupiros02.lu.funpic.de/s-2008-07n/s-2008-07-4572.JPG), I remember. :P

^that's cute =)

Apparently they just found out without a doubt that Giuseppe Verdi was actually from Gorizia and not from Piacenza or Parma as was previously thought :D

^that's cute =)

Apparently they just found out without a doubt that Giuseppe Verdi was actually from Gorizia and not from Piacenza or Parma as was previously thought :D
and maybe he escaped because residents complained for noises :bash::lol:

by the way, I have just read on local newspaper the reason for Podnanos-Razdrto delays...

apparently, a mess has been made about the contract for tunnels infrastructure. an italian society complained that the contract was given to them, and not to a slovenian society. so they presented an official complaint, and so works stopped.

the real problem though, is that the commission wants 45 days (FORTY-FIVE DAMN DAYS) to review papers and decide. these papers are in the hands of commission since years, so probably a week would have been enough to express a decision.

then, when works start again, it'll take 5 months to finish.
so yeah... june 2009.

grrrrr

Yeah, it's Vidoni and by now there were already 2 or 3 complaints... if they were on this forum they'd be banned by now :D

- and yes, Gorizia and noise complaints go well together lol. I read on a blog once taht there was a lady who wanted to shut up the garbage trucks picking up trash in the morning.

Btw there will be 7 cinema halls in the new Supernova on Majske poljane and a glass roof over the foyer, between the new part and the landmarked building

http://ads3.arctur.si/nova-gorica-gids/mma_bin_public.php?id=2008111309103122

Btw there will be 7 cinema halls in the new Supernova on Majske poljane ...

Which is kind of stupid. I mean, we need one cinema that would work, not 7 cinemas that they'll close after one year because they won't make any profit.

Noone builds just one cinema these days... And believe me, no matter how bad it goes they won't close.

They closed whole cinema complex in Celje.

i'm not surprised at all... Celje has way too much stuff while here until 2001 we didn't even have a Mercator Hypermarket, we got Spar just last year and OBI just now. Noone wanted to go to the movies here cause it was a disgrace.
All they should do is run some movies in Italian as well if possible.

Yes but Celje is the third biggest city in SLO. =D Well about Kolosej Celje, the complex (it was in mercator hipermarket) was too far away from the main line (Merkur-Planet Tuš-Interspar) and so it was empty, however Planet was always overcrowded. But I think that was always a bit pushing Celje to be more what it really was. These centre's are seriously stupidly built. They've made both (Planet and Kolosej) in Maribor and Celje, but they couldn't do one in NG and Domžale-Kamnik area. That is pure ignorance I think. In Kolosej LJ I think ther's 1/4 of the visitors that came from our (Domžale-Kamnik) area and making one in Domžale would get all those people there and get some more people, because not a lot of people have the time, money or something else to get to BTC (which is actually only accessible by car, otherwise it's better to go there on foot your quicker).

true... i see a lot of GO licence plates parked in BTC... It's just became sort of common here. "Should we go to see a movie?" "Sure, who'll drive to Ljubljana this time?" :D

Resno? A ni boljše it potem v Koper? Do Ljubljane je ja vsaj urca.

Po moje bi bilo najboljše iti v Trst.

Sam tam so men se zdi sinhronizirani filmi. Jaz vem, da me lažje pripraviš na to, da skočim v bazen poln strupenih kač, kot pa da grem gledat film v italjanščini. Nazadnje sem ga v Gardalandu, pa vem, da bom od zdaj naprej raje šel malo dlje do Europaparka, samo, da mi ''njih'' ni treba poslušati.

Ti hodiš v Gardaland gledat filme? A Europapark pa misliš v Nemčiji, severno od Basla? Šele to je daleč. :lol:

Resno? A ni boljše it potem v Koper? Do Ljubljane je ja vsaj urca.

Do Kopra je isto, v Ljubljani maš potem še vsaj kej za delat. Koper je proti Ljubljani mrtvo mesto.

Ne ampak ko se malo spočiješ greš tja, kjer so tiste ''filmske'' predstave. tisto, ko se voziš z monstertrucki. Pa tako naprej. =) Sem mislil, da je Koper bližje, ampak vidim, da je res podobno, kot do LJ. Je pa res, da je v Kopru verjetno malo manj možnosti.

Že v Ljubljani je malo filmske izbire v kinu v primerjavi s tujino, že npr. Grazom.

No sj pogledaš en film, pol greš lahko na bowling al pa v Kratochwill na eno temno :D

... v Kratochwill na eno temno :D

evo to je neki kar ... khm
This is something this town lacks. A microbrewery. How come they have one in Ajdovscina, but none in NG? Is there no market for beer? I doubt.
:cheers:

NG

Isn't Nova Gorica officially 'GO', like Gorizia? :D

Ne NG je Nova Gorica. To je tako, kot bi bilo Novo mesto 'ME'. Zdaj pa ugani kiro mesto je to, ko vidiš ME na tablici. Metlika=P

sam na vseh tablicah piše GO

A res? Si prepričan? No ne bom trdil, se opravičujem če sem v zmoti. =D Saj veste, motiti se, je človeško, trditi, da imaš kljubvsemu prav, pa še bolj.

Na vseh tablcah piše GO in to že iz časov stare Juge, oz. odkar smo dobili mesto in tablce :D

^^ Maš prav, v 1930-ih Nova Gorica še ni bla GO. :D:D

A res? Si prepričan?Ja doh. :lol:

V jugi je NG bla Nova Gradiška, tako da so mogli za Novo Gorico poiskat drugo kratico ... pa valda je blo tuki tud neki simbolike itd.

Local authorities of Friuli-Venezia-Giulia and western Slovenia will present before 1st december a request for financement to European Union. The ambitious project is to create a train link between NovaGorica, Gorizia, Ronchi airport, Trieste, Koper. Partly using existing railway, partly building new bits, the train won't be hi-speed (AV/AC) but will operate on a very frequent timetable. Further projects aim at building a new railway between NovaGorica and Ljubljana, in order to finally stop the embarassing isolation.
The price for the whole project is huge, but there are chances it might be accepted because it would be the first infrastructure built across EU borders which is meant for local transport and not high distances.

Il progetto di metropolitana leggera riceve l'ok dell'Ue

zgleda da bo reč šla naprej

res? to bi blo pa ful dobro. ves kaj vec od tega, kdo je pobudnik itd? pole bo manjkalo samo se zeleznico naprej od ajdovscine zgradit do logatca.:cheers:

No neki malega se premika v tej smeri... To je quotano iz Gorizia Oggi

Il progetto di metropolitana leggera riceve l'ok dell'Ue
Pieni voti per il progetto di metropolitana leggera transfrontaliera e per il collegamento ferroviario Gorizia-Nova Gorica. Il Comitato di Sorveglianza del Programma per la Cooperazione Italia-Slovenia 2007-2013 ha conferito il punteggio pieno ai due progetti proposti all'Ue dai Comuni di Gorizia, Nova Gorica e San Pietro-Vertoiba.
Le due iniziative sono così state ammesse alla seconda fase di progettazione, dando ulteriore speranza per un futuro finanziamento delle iniziative.

aveš, js ful obvladam italjansko pa latinsko pa portugalsko in špansko tko dam vse razumem

get the point ;)

sm mislu da noben drugi ne bere tega threada, tko da ... (http://translate.google.si/?hl=sl&tab=wT#) :tongue2:

Svetlobni železniški projekt prejme EU ok
Celotno znamk za lahka železnica projekta in čezmejno železniško povezavo Gorica, Nova Gorica. Nadzorni odbor za Program za sodelovanje Italija-Slovenija 2007-2013 računov za celoten rezultat za dva projekta, ki ga je predlagala EU Gorica, Nova Gorica in St Peter-Vertoiba.
V dveh pobud so bile sprejete kot drugo fazo, ki zagotavlja dodatno upanje za prihodnje financiranje pobud Skupnosti.

^ Jaz vedno prevajam v angleščino, ker je precej pomembnejša od slovenščine, torej bo tudi prevod precej kvalitetnejši.

Ha na to pa nisem pomislil.

OBI brez besed presekal gordijski vozel

Plaz ogorčenja zaradi slovenskih in italijanskih napisov na trgovini na Majskih poljanah
Slovenija - torek, 14.07.2009
Tekst: Jani Alič

Nova Gorica, Rožna Dolina - Potem, ko so v začetku junija na Majskih poljanah nedaleč od novogoriške železniške postaje odprli veleblagovnico avstrijske trgovinske verige OBI, je ta takoj na začetku povzročila val ogorčenja in vznemirjenja. In to zaradi dvojezičnih napisov znotraj in zunaj objekta.

http://www.dnevnik.si/uploads/image_cache/367f14c8e368e232e5e26aa47f312076.jpeg
Pri igralnicah in drugih objektih so številni napisi tudi v
italijanskem jeziku. In kot pravijo inšpektorji, čisto legalno. (Foto: Jani Alič)

Oglašali so se posamezniki, prav tako pa tudi civilna iniciativa za Primorsko. Njen predsednik Marjan Bevk je dejal, da je nedopustno in neustavno dopuščati napise v italijanskem jeziku, hkrati pa se v Benečiji odvija intenzivna raznarodovalna politika, in ko naša država še vedno ni sposobna rešiti vprašanja dvojnega državljanstva za naše rojake onstran meje.

Blagovnico so si zato ogledali tudi tržni inšpektorji. Kot je povedala inšpektorica Karmen Velikonja, niso ukrepali, ker zakonodaja nima pravne podlage za to. Gre za določila zakona o javni rabi slovenskega jezika v poslovanju s potrošniki in pri deklaraciji izdelkov v prodaji, ki po mnenju inšpektorjev v nakupovalnem centru niso kršena. Nad italijanskimi napisi je bil presenečen celo župan in poslanec Mirko Brulc, ki je center tudi odprl. "Me nič ne moti, če so tuji kupci na naši strani prijazno sprejeti in dobijo ponudbo v svojem jeziku. Vendar pa enako pričakujem tudi na drugi strani meje, kjer je dvojezično območje, a se to žal ne dogaja v vseh primerih," pravi župan.

Na italijanske napise v OBI-ju se je odzval tudi Svetovni slovenski kongres, kjer pravijo, da gre za goriško sramoto in provokacijo, kritizirali pa so tudi slovensko in novogoriško oblast, ki bi bila, tako v sporočilu, dolžna zaščititi slovenski jezikovni prostor. Gordijski vozel so medtem brez veliko govorjenja in pompa rešili lastniki trgovine. Odstranili so sporni napis, na vhodu in izhodu pa pustila dva manjša napisa v slovenskem jeziku. Še vedno pa se na Goriškem povsem legalno bohotijo italijanski napisi na zasebnih igralnicah in nekaterih drugih objektih. Večine to ne moti, saj so napisi namenjeni italijanskim obiskovalcem, ki predstavljajo največji del obiskovalcev. Ne nazadnje so tudi jedilni listi v več jezikih...

http://www.dnevnik.si/novice/slovenija/1042283118

Svoboda izražanja? :dunno: Mislim, da ta post res ne spada v thread o združeni Gorici. :lol:

Hja jbg, novica je novica :tongue2:

o tem so še na TVju poročal, nisem vedel ab se smejal al raj jokal :)

Kej ma za pisat v lahovščini k tuki sploh ni dvojezičnega območja, na drugi strani meje k pa je pa nič ne piše v slovenščini. Na bruhanje mi gre ta enostranska multikulturna družba, ki jo zagovarja kapital.

Sicer se mi zdi post o veliki gorici podoben ideji o veliki srbiji. Naroda, ki sta v zadnjih stotih letih zabredla v tri vojne se bosta težko povezovala še posebi če je en narod izrazito izgubljal ozemlje, kljub vojaškim zmagam. Lahko smo prijatelji, lahko trgujemo in podobno, ko pa pride do vprašanj kulture se pogosto dogaja da mi izgubljamo oni pa pridobivajo.

Sicer nočem unašati politike na forume, ki nimajo veze z njo a je nažalost umetnost(arhitektura) že po Platonu politična, saj je vsako dejanje politično.

A ko pa piše v angleščini (Casino namesto igralnica), je pa vredu? Biznis je biznis in edino logično, da so napisi v italianščini, če je tam veliko obiskovalcev izza meje.
Če ne bi bilo Italijanov lahko 3/4 igralnic zapre svoja vrata.

Naroda, ki sta v zadnjih stotih letih zabredla v tri vojne...

...nazadnje pred 64 leti...

A ko pa piše v angleščini (Casino namesto igralnica), je pa vredu? Biznis je biznis in edino logično, da so napisi v italianščini, če je tam veliko obiskovalcev izza meje.
Če ne bi bilo Italijanov lahko 3/4 igralnic zapre svoja vrata.

Ja, to je neko čudno nenapisano pravilo tle, ki ga tudi js ne razumem prav dobro. Vse kar je v zvezi z igralnicami je lahko v italijanskem jeziku in se tolerira in smatra kot ok in pravilno. Vse ostalo pa ne... Po eni strani sicer razumem, po drugi je pa kratko rečeno - smešno.

...nazadnje pred 64 leti...

Ti ne razumeš stanja. Tipično za Ljubljančana.

V Gorici in Trstu je še vedno polno ljudi mnenja, da je obstoječa meja samo začasna. Italija že 64 let vodi politiko zamire zaradi izgube istre. Istrane-ezule je načrtno naseljevala na zamejska področja kjer so bile večinsko slovenske vasi ter v Trst in Gorico.

Niti mesec nazaj je italjanska ministrica nrdila saluto romano - haill hitler alla italiano. Tolk o 64 letih.

Kar se tiče napisov na igralnicah - to niso navadna podjetja saj potrebujejo koncesijo sem pa proti iztopajočim napisom ki niso v slovenskem jeziku.

Mislim tudi da je potrebno ločiti turizem in nakupovalne centre.

Ja, to je neko čudno nenapisano pravilo tle, ki ga tudi js ne razumem prav dobro. Vse kar je v zvezi z igralnicami je lahko v italijanskem jeziku in se tolerira in smatra kot ok in pravilno. Vse ostalo pa ne... Po eni strani sicer razumem, po drugi je pa kratko rečeno - smešno.


Italjanščina mi je zelo lep jezik in ga razumem in govorim a to ne izniči dejstva da so italjani preko tega jezika pred drugo vojno na naše prednike izvajali etnocit. In ga v zamejstvu naskrito nadaljujejo s neizpolnjevanjem obvez do manjšine, medtem ko mi v Kopru mamo vse table in v Ljubljani celo poslanca italjanske skupnosti, k vleče samo plačo.

Najboljša rešitev bi bila da bi tudi italjani ob meji znali slovensko, tako bi mi lahko njih spraševali v slovenščini oni pa odgovarjali v italjanščini.

LAGOJA: Biznis je biznis - v italiji ni igralnic, so samo tri tako da ne se bat da bojo vse igralnice zaprli če ne bo več napisov. Tvoje razmišljanje je zelo omejeno ker ne poznaš specifike igralništva, kjer ni svobodnega trga saj gre za kontrolirano dejavnost.

Še dobro, da imamo novinca "Gorico", ki vse ve. :banana:

V Grindenwaldu v Švici imajo napise v japonščini, ker je pač veliko Japoncev. V Ljubljani imajo napise na avtobusih v angleščini, celo v Parizu so dojeli, da niso nič manj Francozi če kdo spregovori angleško.
Napisi so zaradi konkurence med našimi igralnicami in sam zase vem, da bi obesil napise in v svojem lokalu zahteval znanje komuniciranja zaposlenih v jeziku, ki ga govori večina gostov in me ne bi prav nič zanimalo ali je to italjanščina, nemščina ali swahili.
V čem smo Slovenci, če nas zmoti napis v tujem jeziku (poleg našega oz. celo za našim), boljši kot italianska ministrica, ki salutira po fašistično? Ideja je vendar ista. Vso to energijo bi lahko produktivno vložili v pomoč naši skupnosti onstran meje, ker tam poteka glavna fronta za ohranitev našega nacionalnega ozemlja.
Se pa strinjam, da Italjani za razliko od Nemcev niso nikoli priznali svojih fašističnih grehov, a za dosego tega spoznanja je potrebno le veliko realnega pričevanja (kot ga izvaja npr. Boris Pahor), občasnih političnih pritiskov, ne pa netenja medetnične nestrpnosti (kar ta cirkus okoli napisa zagotovo je), ker je učinek ravno nasproten.

ne samo da niso priznali grehov, še potuho imajo ker so se potem "spreobrnili" in prestopili na stran zmagovalcev (čeprav niso nič konkretnega naredili...)

je pa začel Ljubljanski klib InBox nove flajerje za to sezono pisat v slovenščini, angleščini, italjanščini in celo hrvaščini :ohno:

Japonščino imajo Švicarji v vsakem turističnem kraju, ne samo v Grindelwaldu, oz. povsod tam, kjer je veliko Japoncev. To, da Italijani nikoli niso priznali 'svojih' fašističnih grehov, je pa največja zabloda ever. Seveda so jih, in jih še danes večkrat priznajo! Sicer pa je thread o združeni Gorici najbolj neumno mesto, kjer bi se lahko o tem pogovarjali, pa še Italijan ga je odprl.

Japonščino imajo Švicarji v vsakem turističnem kraju, ne samo v Grindelwaldu, oz. povsod tam, kjer je veliko Japoncev. To, da Italijani nikoli niso priznali 'svojih' fašističnih grehov, je pa največja zabloda ever. Seveda so jih, in jih še danes večkrat priznajo! Sicer pa je thread o združeni Gorici najbolj neumno mesto, kjer bi se lahko o tem pogovarjali, pa še Italijan ga je odprl.

Grehe je priznala celotna italjanska levica, kar pa ne velja za desnico, PREDUSEM ZA OBMEJNI OPAS. Strinjam se da so na turističnih objektih dvojezični napisi pod pogojem da je tko tudi v italiji - več ne zahtevam in to ne moreš enačit z nacionalizmom.

V prihodnje ne bom več pisu o tem k mamo pač različna politična prepričanja in to ni mesto za te debate.

Fašizem v Italiji je prinesel veliko gorja ne samo Slovencem, ampak tudi Italijanom, tako da dvomim, da si jih veliko želi fašizem nazaj. Pričakovati od desnice opravičilo je pa tako, kot bi od Jelinčiča pričakoval, da se odreče Kvarnerju. Moraš upoštevati, da je bilo veliko Italijanov po 2. sv. v. pri nas ubitih, in praktično vsi izseljeni (razen na avtohtonih območjih), tako da jaz od njih ne pričakujem še opravičila. Pravzaprav smo si bot.

21. oktobra se odpre Ikea Villesse, slabih 20km iz Gorice.

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To je samo moje mnenje in upam, da ne bom zaradi tega dobil kazni. Če se ne strinjate s sporočilom, ga lahko zbrišete.
Še vedno verjamem, da je TRST NAŠ!

IMO.

Trst je Italijanski in s tem se je pač treba sprijaznit. Drugače pa, deklamiranje teh zadev je v teh časih že mimo. Karikirano je to tko, kot da bi raver kričal Punk's not dead.

Veliko lažje bi dobili Gorico kot Trst. Nam je bila celo namenjena potem je pa v zadnjem trenutku Stalin rekel ne. Tudi Celovec bi z lahkoto imeli že po 1.sv. vojni, če ne bi imeli tepcev v Ljubljani in preračunljivih Srbov v Beogradu, ki so vedeli, da če Slovenci dobijo prevelik del Koroške bo Jugoslavija dobila manj v Vojvodini in Kosovu. Trsz že zdavnaj ni več slovenski. Je le močno antislovenski.

Ni čudno, da je tako anti-slovenski, ko pa se kar naprej derete "Trst je naš!" in podobne zaostale parole, ki ne sodijo v 21. stoletje. Glede Koroške, pa je bil plebiscit izveden že leta 1920, so chill the fuck out already.

Joj obremenjenci.

slovensko in trzasko primorje in goriska (tako kot istra, reka in mesta v dalmaciji) so pac narodnostno mesana podrocja ze stoletja. je pa res da je bila vecina mescanov trsta in gorice v glavnem (beneskega) italijanskega porekla. slovenci so poseljevali okoliske vasi, nekaj jih seveda zivelo tudi v mestih. poleg tega so bili do prve svetovne vojne v gorici in trstu prisotni tudi nemci, navsezadnje je trst ustanovila habsburska monarhija za eno od svojih pristanisc.

Jutri odpira svoja vrata veletrgovina IKEA v Vilešu
Gre za prvo podružnico švedske multinacionalke v Furlaniji-Julijski krajini
Vojko Rotar, Vileš, 20. 10. 2009 ob 16:15

Švedska multinacionalka IKEA posluje v 37 državah sveta, kjer ima odprtih 301 trgovin. Jutri bo uradno odprla svoja vrata tudi prva veletrgovina v severovzhodni Italiji, natančneje v Vilešu (Villesse) pri Gorici.

Lokacijo so po besedah Valeria Di Bussola iz družbe IKEA, izbrali z namenom, da bi svoje izdelke ponudili tako italijanskim kot slovenskim in hrvaškim kupcem. "Za nas je ta trgovina pomembna ne le iz vidika lokalnega tržišča, temveč tudi zaradi prisotnosti dobaviteljev s katerimi je družba IKEA praktično pričela svoje poslovanje z Italijo," je izpostavil Di Bussola. Kot je pojasnil, IKEA nabavlja surovine na območju Furlanije Julijske krajine in pa tudi Slovenije, že od konca sedemdesetih let. Po njegovih besedah so v treh desetletjih dobro spoznali regijsko ekonomsko strukturo in potrebe tržišča.

V Italiji bo odslej 15 veletrgovin IKEA. Prva je bila odprta leta 1989 v bližini mesta Milano. Skupno italijanske trgovine švedskega trgovca zaposlujejo čez 6.000 delavcev, trgovine obišče preko 39 milijonov obiskovalcev. Italija v okviru svetovne IKEA-ine prodaje na petem mestu, kot nabavni trg pa zaseda tretje mesto na svetovni ravni. Prodajalna v Vilešu se bo razpostirala na približno 33 tisoč kvadratnih metrih, od teh jih bo 18 tisoč namenjenih razstavnim in prodajnim površinam na skupno dveh nadstropjih. Znotraj veletrgovine se nahajajo tudi restavracija s 520 sedišči, gostinski lokal in trgovina s švedsko hrano. Parkirišče pred impozantno zgradbo bo kupcem zagotovilo približno 1.800 parkirnih mest, trgovski center bo posloval vse dni v tednu.

Direktor veletrgovine v Vilešu Ulf Seeman, je pojasnil, da so za približno 240 delovnih mest prejeli čez 9 tisoč prošenj za delo. Opravili so več kot tisoč osebnih razgovorov, večina zaposlenih obvlada, poleg italijanskega, tako slovenski kot hrvaški jezik.

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IKEA planira odprtje veletrgovine tudi v Sloveniji. Kot so dejali na predstavitveni novinarski konferenci, potekajo intenzivna pogajanja glede potencialnih lokacij, tako z lastniki zemljišč kot z lokalnimi skupnostmi. Natančnejših podatkov v tem trenutku še ne morejo izdati. V zaključni fazi naj bi bila zasnova veletrgovine na Hrvaškem, v letu 2011 naj bi namreč v bližini Zagreba IKEA že odprli svojo trgovino.

Veletrgovino v Vilešu smo že obiskali, nekaj prizorov si lahko ogledate v slikovni galeriji in video posnetku.

http://primorska.info/novice/5623/jutri_odpira_svoja_vrata_veletrgovina_ikea_v_vilesu

sm jo vidu se pred odprtjem ko sm sou mimo po avtocesti. v glavnem, lokacija je preracunana do zadnje podrobnosti, vidi se jo z avtoceste-palmanova trst, kot tudi gorica-vilesse, in izhod villese je v neposredni blizini, pa vse okoli ni niti enega drevesa ali his, tako da prov strci ven :)

Ja, pa Celo dvojezične table majo. Ita/Slo, go figure...

ja pozitivno presenecenje :) ma, pac isto kot v novi gorici. ne vilesse ne nova gorica nista dvojezicni obmocji, pac tle je prijaznost do obiskovalcev. ali biznis.

ja pozitivno presenecenje :) ma, pac isto kot v novi gorici. ne vilesse ne nova gorica nista dvojezicni obmocji, pac tle je prijaznost do obiskovalcev. ali biznis.

Samo biznis, ki se manifestira v prijaznosti do kupcev. Je pa res blizu ... 10 - 15 minut. Super. Sej zgleda, da bojo cist tam ob tej Ikeji zgradili se ene par velikih trgovin. Upimo, da bo tudi zraslo tudi kej pametnega.

Ja, več al manj se bodo tja preselili trgovci z drugih (sedaj manj atraktivnih) lokacij. Največji najemnik pa naj bi bil Coop s hipermarketom.

Par plasé, isâl cualchidun ch'al feveli par furlan; s'o vais indevant cu l'inglês o scjampi vie... Gurice e ié furlane ospo!!!

i don't give a damn whose Gorica is...

Kaj je ta človek sploh napisal?

neke blodnje v katerem jeziku pisat pa da je furlanska itd... v glavnem tak borderline post za izbris

^ A ti razumeš furlansko, al to sam približno sklepaš (ker meni se tudi nekaj približno sanja, kaj je napisal)? Uglavnem, furlansko se tukaj ziher ne bomo pogovarjali, ker itak nihče ne šteka, italijansko pa tudi ne vem, kolk jih razume. Slovensko pa angleško, in to je to.

Sklepam, glede na to da je v zelo dalnjem sorodu z Italijanščino. V glavnem, kolkr si lah predstavljam, je napisal: ...torej naj se govori Angleško al pa odj* stran.

Nova Gorica rules :banana:

Sprejet je bil predlog za čezmejno regijo :banana:

???

dej kak link. kdo se bo pa komu priključil, vi italjanom al oni vam/nam

skupna regija naj bi bla predvsem zaradi lažjega konkuriranja pri pridobivanju evropskega denarja.. link lahko dam v italijanščini - pri nas nisem nič zasledil

http://gorizia.bora.la/2010/01/22/il-gect-e-cosa-fatta-approvata-nella-notte-larea-metropolitana-tra-gorizia-e-nova-gorica/

sicer pa gre to gledat bolj z urbanega vidika sm pozabu dodat - da bosta mesti skupno kandidirali na razpisih ipd

ja pa jade... kobo unija razpadla bodo pa te pokrajne odločale kdo dobi kolk ozemlja. ne se pustiti prehtro nascati, da ne bomo spet zgubili ozemlje, tako kot je bilo z Istro pred 50 leti... kao samo administrativne meje :ohno:

sicer pa italjansko ne znam nič tak da če bo večina ozemlja te regije padla na našo stran me sploh ne moti...

pa še moja bajta se vidi na slikah

Ko že omenjaš v eni od tem, velika verjetnost, da sem šel mimo tvoje hiše. :)

hmmm stalker :D

Stalker?

To je zasledovalec po angleško.

Ekola, pa mineva natanko 1 leto, odkar sem bil prvič v Novi Gorici. :) :cheers:

Kej kdo ve, kej se gradi u Gorici na kriziscu via duca d'aosta in via trento? Tam čjer je bla dosti časa samo gradbena jama.

Evo mene, noben me ni pogrešal pa se vseeno javim. :D Bil na terenu mesec dni, spal v Novi Gorici pa bi rad povedal par stvari. Prvič je Nova Gorica desetkrat bolj multikulturalna kot vsa ostala slovenska mesta skupaj, nisem mogel verjeti da je to v Sloveniji, res da je razlog bližina Italije blizu pa vseeno. Toliko različnih kultur kolikor sem videl samo v Qlandiji nisem videl še nikjer v Sloveniji. Velik plus za Novo Gorico. Drugo, občutek sem imel da ima NG več stolpnic kot Maribor, sploh ta ki se trenutno gradi je prava bomba. Kazinojev je milion, ne moreš da verjameš, kurbnhausi na vsakem koraku, edini minus je da smo Slovenci in da smo proti enem centru kazinojev ki bi iz Nove Gorice ustvaril Las Vegas. Edini minus bi dal pomanjkanje večpasovnic/bulevarjev v mestu, res da je mesto malo ampak ker meje praktično ni in je Gorica oddaljena 100m od stadiona in je dejansko povezana z Novo Gorico imaš občutek večjega mesta, čeprav so bulevarji res potrebni. Drugače bomba mesto glede na velikost, edino naglas me moti :D, se sploh ne bi upiral da se preselim tja. :ok

To je to, moral sem nekaj povedat o zapostavljenem in podcenjenem mestu. Zdaj pa bom naredil en update da vidim kaj sem vse zamudil v mescu dni.

Škoda, ker je zaradi svoje majhnosti zelo podhranjena glede zaposlitvenih priložnosti... Imam nekaj prijateljev iz Nove Gorice, ki so primorani delati v Ljubljani, ker v Novi Gorici preprosto (še?) ni nobene pametne službe.

kurbnhausi na vsakem koraku

Kje si pa ti to videl? :uh:

Vprašanje je kje nisem. Kurbnhausov je več kot pekarn. :D

Vprašanje je kje nisem. Kurbnhausov je več kot pekarn. :D

Zdaj ne vem, ali nisem bil pozoren, ali slabo opazujem... ni mi jasno, po čem to sklepaš? Zakaj naj bi bilo tam vse polno kuplerajev? Kako si ti to videl? Razsvetli me.

ahh to je ena taka urbana legenda o Gorici... :p

Tuki je ene par linkov za nepoucene:
http://www.margerita.si/
http://bora.la/2010/03/13/night-striptease-nova-gorica/

Bol proti dnu so opisani skor vsi tukejsnji placi:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-780.html

Sej verjetno se da dobit se precej vec informacij na spletu, samo nism kej dosti iskal.

:lol:

:nuts: :lol: Torej so te zadeve dobro zakamuflirane, da jih nisem opazil. Me zanima, če imamo kaj takega tudi v Brežicah in Krškem. :lol:

club Evropa je zdej plac, kjer se zbira predvsem mularija, tko da -1 =)
ta Golden Eye je pa enih 200 m od naše bajte haha

V Gorici na vrsti obnova korzov
Napovedi občinske uprave za leto 2011

četrtek, 30. decembra 2010 | 18:40 |

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Verdijev korzo v Gorici

Iztekajoče se leto je v Gorici minilo v znamenju slovesnih odprtij ulic in trgov zgodovinskega mestnega jedra, leto 2011 pa bo »leto korzov«. Tako je povedal goriški župan Ettore Romoli, ki je včeraj potegnil črto pod dosedanjim delom uprave na področju javnih del, sociale in čezmejnega sodelovanja ter predstavil načrte za naprej. Med glavnimi projekti, ki jih namerava občinska uprava uresničiti v novem letu, je obnova Verdijevega korza, ob tem pa naj bi opravili tudi prve korake za ovrednotenje Korza Italia. »Leto 2011 bo iz vidika javnih del ključno, saj bo zadnje, ki ga bo imela naša uprava v celoti na razpolago za uresničitev napovedanih projektov. Z obnovo zgodovinskega mestnega središča zaključujemo, v prihodnjem letu pa bodo na vrsti posodobitev podobe Drevoreda D’Annunzio - 10. januarja bomo uvedli izvajalca v posel -, izgradnja proge vzpenjače na grad in obnova predora Bombi, ki bo sicer dokončana leta 2012, obnova številnih cest in pločnikov, prekvalifikacija grajskega naselja ter odprtje gradbišča na Verdijevem korzu,« je povedal Romoli. Prvi sklop del na Verdijevem korzu, v okviru katerega bodo obnovili odsek od lekarne Orso Bianco do Ulice Petrarca, naj bi se začel maja, zaključen pa bi moral biti konec novembra. V teku prihodnjega leta bi moralo priti tudi do odobritve izvršnih načrtov za obnovo ostalih dveh delov Verdijevega korza, in sicer oširka pred ljudskim vrtom ter odseka med Ulico Petrarca in pokrito tržnico. »Načrtovanje bo zaključeno v prihodnjem letu, težko pa je napovedati, kdaj se bodo začela dela,« je povedal Romoli.


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Brezžična internetna povezava v goriškem mestnem središču

Predvidoma spomladi na Travniku, v Raštelu, pri županstvu ter v ulicah Mazzini, Monache in Garibaldi

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Travnik

Da bi bilo čim bolj v koraku s časom, se bo v kratkem tudi goriško mestno središče povezalo na svetovni splet. Predvidoma spomladi prihodnjega leta bo na Travniku, v Raštelu, v parku za mestno hišo ter v ulicah Mazzini, Monache in Garibaldi začela delovati javna brezžična internetna povezava, za katero se je v prejšnjih dneh z odobritvijo sklepa zavzel goriški občinski odbor. Wi-Fi omrežje, ki ga bo mogoče brezplačno uporabljati tako na prostem kot v zaprtih prostorih, bodo kasneje razširili tudi na Trg Cavour, na Trg Sv. Antona in na grajsko naselje, načrtujejo pa postopno povezavo celotnega zgodovinskega mestnega središča. Odgovorni pri uradu za informatiko občine Gorica, ki pobliže sledi projektu proste brezžične internetne povezave, je že zaupal realizacijo projekta podjetju Telecom Italia, ki je predstavilo občini najboljšo ponudbo. V vzpostavitev omrežja bodo vložili približno 15.000 evrov, okrog 12.000 evrov pa naj bi občino stalo vzdrževanje sistema. V pričakovanju na vzpostavitev povezave občinski uradi razmišljajo tudi o postopku in pravilih, na podlagi katerih bodo uporabnikom omogočili dostop do interneta preko javnega omrežja. Vsi, ki se bodo želeli povezati na svetovni splet preko osebnega prenosnega računalnika, mobilnega telefona, I-Pada in drugih naprav, bodo morali vnesti uporabniško ime in geslo, pred tem pa bodo morali posredovali številko mobilnega telefona. Storitev bo brezplačna, čas deskanja pa omejen.

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Je ulica 25. junija posvečena dnevu državnosti?

Odprli so popolnoma prenovljeno palačo Attems v Gorici

V soboto zvečer so odprli prenovljeno palačo Attems, eno najpomembnejših stavb v Gorici, ki je obenem sedež goriškega pokrajinskega muzeja. Popolnoma obnovljena palača je po novem tudi invalidom prijazna, med obnovo pa so odkrili tudi nove freske.

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Tudi zunanjost ene najpomembnejših stavb na Goriškem je popolnoma obnovljena

GORICA> Palača Attems Petzenstein, ki jo je sredi 18. stoletja zgradil arhitekt Nicolò Pacassi, je ena od najpomembnejših stavb v mestu oziroma na celotnem Goriškem in je od leta 1900 sedež goriškega Pokrajinskega muzeja, v katerem poleg lastne zbirke organizirajo številne odmevne razstave.

Impozantno palačo so doslej že nekajkrat temeljito obnavljali. Sredi osemdesetih let so poplave uničile pritličje, zaradi obnove pa so palačo sredi devetdesetih za nekaj let zaprli.

Prvi del obnove se je končal leta 2002, ko so jo znova odprli za javnost in v naslednjih letih tam odprli nekaj zelo odmevnih razstav, med drugim leta 2003 antologijsko razstavo Zorana Mušiča. Palačo so znova zaprli septembra 2009, ko so se lotili zadnjega dela temeljite obnove, vključno s fasado, ki je goriško pokrajino stala 2,63 milijona evrov. “Z obnovo celotne stavbe smo pridobili dodatne prostore za razstave in zbirke, prvič bomo imeli ustrezne depoje za umetniška dela, s čimer bomo laže skrbeli za pomembno kulturno dediščino. Ob obnovi smo odkrili tudi nove freske,” našteva Raffaella Sgubin iz Pokrajinskega muzeja.

Med večjimi pridobitvami je dvigalo, s čimer bo palača postala dostopnejša tudi invalidom, zagotovili so protipožarno zaščito, popolnoma so obnovili tudi fasado in streho.

“Zaradi pomembnosti palače smo imeli veliko odgovornost, še posebej, ker so vsa umetniška dela iz zbirke med obnovo hranili kar v palači,” pa je povedal odgovorni arhitekt Giulio Valentini. V prihodnosti bodo obnovili del fresk, ki so jih našli ob sedanji obnovi, urediti nameravajo tudi atrij in v njem postaviti lapidarij.

Popolnoma obnovljeno palačo so uradno odprli v soboto ob 18. uri, v nedeljo pa jo bodo med 10. in 18. javnosti predstavili tudi z vodenimi ogledi. Šele za tem bodo spet razstavili umetniško zbirko.

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Je ulica 25. junija posvečena dnevu državnosti?

Če misliš cesto 25. junija v NG, kjer je tudi Qlandija čist možno, ker niti ni še v celoti zgrajena. V prihodnosti naj bi pa postala nova vzhodna vpadnica oz. kromberška obvoznica.

(btw, tista zelena panda je pa na prav vseh slikah, ki zadevajo obe Gorici) :lol:

Tudi je vidna razlika; na Geopedii je možno videt še star ortofoto posnetek, na Google maps je pa že nov posnetek.

Danes je pa ravno 1 leto, kar sm nazadnje bil v NG. Upam da me bo še kdaj zaneslo sem. :)

:)

Evo, če koga zanima: dokumentarni film "Mesto na travniku" (http://tvslo.si/predvajaj/nova-gorica-mesto-na-travniku/ava2.6807960/), o gradnji Nove Gorice.

(za predvajalnik je treba izbrat windows media player , v novejših ne dela)

nova-gorizia will be forever in my hart:cheers:.....nice people, warm,clean city good casino:lol:........I went 5 times 4 time like turist, 1 time in prison:lol:please I ask somebody to put some pictures whith this lovley city

^ haha :lol:

the pics are all here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=559882) :)

Vzepnjača na Goriški grad

http://bora.la/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ascensore-gorizia-coord.png

http://bora.la/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ascensore-gorizia-coord-2.png

ne me basat ... :)
sej trajalo bo verjetno lih še ene deset let, preden bojo kej nardili, ma smešno je pa še zmiram.

Hehe, no saj so bli kar hitri. V bistvu so že začeli kopat traso za tire in včeraj ustavili vsa dela, ker so dobili neke (baje zelo stare) obrambne zidove za katere ni noben vedu da so tam. Tko da mogoče maš celo prav. :lol:

http://bora.la/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ascensore-castello-3-1.jpg

Zašto se tu nalazi talijanska, a ne slovenska zastava?

Nova Gorica je v Sloveniji, Gorica v Italiji

http://www.ung.si/~jezik/console/slike/polovicna_karta.jpg
vir: ung.si

In drugače Lokey se bo kaj gradilo omembe vrednega v bližni prihodnosti v NG...še kakšna visoka stolpnica?

Mnyah... ne vem koliko je v teh časih ravno smotrno kaj napovedovat. Supernova se gradi in tam zraven naj bi zrasli še dve stolpnici na Majskih poljanah. Samo je imelo do sedaj Primorje to čez, tako da bomo vidli.

http://www.proambient.si/image/large/663-majske-poljane.jpg
Vir: Proambient.si

http://nepremicnine.primorje.si/npr_bin.php?id=2009072709292418&src=sss
Vir: primorje.si