This just reflects how all of the tensions between Malaysia and Indonesia originated.

While Malaysia kept promoting the politically motivated concept of "Malay race", Most Indonesians never accept such concept because it is not anthropoligically, ethnically, and sociologically correct. No such race called "Malay race", only "Austonesian" that exist.

This two different approaches of how the Malaysians and Indonesians see each others would create such tensions. Malaysians would feel that they share common heritage and culture with Indonesia within the concept of "Malay race", while Indonesians feel thet they share common heritage and culture with Malaysia only in the view of sharing "ethnic Malay" and "ethnic Dayak".

And so we could see some times ago how Malaysians minister said that "Raya sayang(e)" song belongs to "Malay archipelago" and Malaysia has the cultural share on it.

And so we could see how Minangkabau, Javanese, Bugis, Acehnese, and what ever austronesians they are as long as they adere Islam would be considered as "Malay" in Malaysia, and their culture would be deemed as "Malay cultural heritage" with Malaysia having a share on them.

The concept of "Malay" in Malaysia therefore ignored and undermined the cultural uniqueness and distinctions of each different ethnic groups.
Minangkabaus would never accept seeing their "Rendang" called "Malay dish"
Javanese would never accept seeing their "Reog" called "Malay dance"
Mollucans would never accept seeing their "Rasa Sayang(e)" called "Malay folk song"

As long as these differences be addressed clearly by both government, this similar "incident" would keep repeating by itself.

a historical fact saying peoples of malay archipelago (or whatever you want to label them) are originated from present-day Taiwan. and recent study suggest that peoples in this islands including malay peninsular came from present-day Vietnam.

when people living in such remote islands, there is a possibilities that they will 'lost contact' with their own people, and through out age, they evolve into a different ethnic.

so then Minangkabau, Jawa, Sunda, etc was born....

in Malaysia, it is not only 'Malay' who become officially Malay under the constituency. Jawa, Minangkabau, Bugis who migrate to the peninsular then intermarriage and becoming into ONE NATION, the MALAY.

then UMNO, the main political party in malaysia unite those 'malay' into one race.

does uniting peoples a bad thing?

http://www.jarodlim.com/wp-images/Sultan_Selangor.jpg

^^ Sultan Selangor. Baginda adalah keturunan BUGIS

http://www1.mstar.com.my/archives/2008/12/27/mstar_mutakhir/gambar_fail_tuanku.jpg

^^ Yang di-Pertuan Besar Negeri Sembilan adalah keturunan Minangkabau.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c1Ol5yeA870/SjCr68qnv9I/AAAAAAAAAa0/p6s32mq8UyU/s400/Sultan%2BPerak.jpg

^^ Sultan Perak adalah berketurunan dari Melayu Palembang. yang dikatakan berasal dari kerajaan Srivijaya.


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~royalty/pix/sultanmizan.jpg

^^ Sultan Terengganu, berasal dari kerajaan Melayu Pattani (present-day Thailand)

nah, orang2 di semenanjung adalah campuran rumpun2 kecil etnik2 di kepulauan Nusantara.

adalah SALAH jika mereka bersatu?

atau lebih baik berpecah belah seperti bangsa ARAB?

This just reflects how all of the tensions between Malaysia and Indonesia originated.

While Malaysia kept promoting the politically motivated concept of "Malay race", Most Indonesians never accept such concept because it is not anthropoligically, ethnically, and sociologically correct. No such race called "Malay race", only "Austonesian" that exist.

This two different approaches of how the Malaysians and Indonesians see each others would create such tensions. Malaysians would feel that they share common heritage and culture with Indonesia within the concept of "Malay race", while Indonesians feel thet they share common heritage and culture with Malaysia only in the view of sharing "ethnic Malay" and "ethnic Dayak".

And so we could see some times ago how Malaysians minister said that "Raya sayang(e)" song belongs to "Malay archipelago" and Malaysia has the cultural share on it.

And so we could see how Minangkabau, Javanese, Bugis, Acehnese, and what ever austronesians they are as long as they adere Islam would be considered as "Malay" in Malaysia, and their culture would be deemed as "Malay cultural heritage" with Malaysia having a share on them.

The concept of "Malay" in Malaysia therefore ignored and undermined the cultural uniqueness and distinctions of each different ethnic groups.
Minangkabaus would never accept seeing their "Rendang" called "Malay dish"
Javanese would never accept seeing their "Reog" called "Malay dance"
Mollucans would never accept seeing their "Rasa Sayang(e)" called "Malay folk song"

As long as these differences be addressed clearly by both government, this similar "incident" would keep repeating by itself.

in malaysia..all nusantara ethnic..esp, javanese, minang, bugis , acheh and so on was refer as a malay..we want to unite them into ONE group..similarity with Chinese and Indian ethnic in malaysia....although there has a lot of ethnic in Chinese and Indian community in Malaysia...but we just use single name to represent the ethnic...the chinese and the indian....minangkabau, Javanese, bugis or any nusantara ethnic in Malaysia...doesn't care if we refer the cultural of them as malay cultural..because we are unity into a single entity that is Malay...

adalah SALAH jika mereka bersatu?

atau lebih baik berpecah belah seperti bangsa ARAB?

Tidak salah kita bersatu. Yang jadi masalah adalah penggunaan kata 'Melayu'. Di Indonesia banyak sekali suku, (salah satunya Melayu). Dan di Indonesia kata Melayu hanya berarti suku Melayu itu sendiri dan tidak berlaku untuk yang lainnya. Di Indonesia sudah terjadi penyempitan arti kata Melayu, yang dulunya mengacu pada 'suku-suku yang mendiami Kepulauan Nusantara' menjadi 'orang Melayu'. Sedangkan di Malaysia, kata itu masih mmiliki arti yang lama.. Namanya juga bahasa, tidak statis, melainkan dinamis. Maknanya dapat meluas dan menyempit, kadang timbul kata-kata baru..

nah, orang2 di semenanjung adalah campuran rumpun2 kecil etnik2 di kepulauan Nusantara.

adalah SALAH jika mereka bersatu?

atau lebih baik berpecah belah seperti bangsa ARAB?

in malaysia..all nusantara ethnic..esp, javanese, minang, bugis , acheh and so on was refer as a malay..we want to unite them into ONE group..similarity with Chinese and Indian ethnic in malaysia....although there has a lot of ethnic in Chinese and Indian community in Malaysia...but we just use single name to represent the ethnic...the chinese and the indian....minangkabau, Javanese, bugis or any nusantara ethnic in Malaysia...doesn't care if we refer the cultural of them as malay cultural..because we are unity into a single entity that is Malay...

See... that's the problem :cheers:
In Indonesia they will care and protest if you refer their culture as Malay culture.

Why must we unite under the banner of one "Malay race" while excluding the Chinese and Indian as their own race? In Indonesia, we try to unite all of them regardless of their ethnic group while retaining their own unique culture. Even the chinese and other foreign descendants are recognised as "native/indigineous Indonesian" by the law as long as they never give up their citizenship:
Yang dimaksud dengan orang-orang Bangsa Indonesia Asli adalah Warga Negara Indonesia sejak kelahirannya dan tidak pernah menerima kewarganegaraan lain atas kehendak sendiri

Di Indonesia sudah terjadi penyempitan arti kata Melayu, yang dulunya mengacu pada 'suku-suku yang mendiami Kepulauan Nusantara' menjadi 'orang Melayu'.

Melayu juga berarti "Lari" kan ? :D hehehe...

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University Insists on Malaysian Ban

Officials of Diponegoro University stood firm on its decision not to admit Malaysian students, even though the Ministry of National Education urged the state-run school to lift the policy.

Agus Naryoso, spokesman for the Semarang university also known as Undip, said that the school had carefully considered all aspects of its decision before its announcement on Tuesday.

Undip rector Susilo Wibowo said that the policy was an expression of “nationalism,” referring to the strained relations between Malaysia and Indonesia, which most recently centered on Malaysia’s attempt to claim a traditional Indonesian dance.

“Never waver in a decision once it’s made. We know the consequences,” Agus said.

The university did say that there were other factors behind the policy. One of them was the belief that slots offered to Malaysians should now go to Indonesian students.

Agus said Undip was already aware of the ministry’s appeal, but he insisted that the university had looked into its decision several times before agreeing to pass it.

Malaysian students began to arrive at Undip 10 years ago, mostly to study medicine. Of the 200 slots reserved in the department for new enrollees, only four are allotted to international students, which go mostly to Malaysians.

An international student in the medicine department is expected to pay a total of close to Rp 200 million ($20,000) in fees throughout their stay at Undip. While Agus acknowledged the hefty sum being paid by the foreigners, he said that Indonesian students were smarter than their Malaysian counterparts and deserved the slots intended for the foreign students.

Undip’s literature and culture departments continue to admit students from India, Thailand, Turkey, the United States and Vietnam.

Arief Rachman, an education expert and professor at the State University of Jakarta, said that several factors can be attributed to the creation of policies.

“[But] it does not help an institution to take an action and decide on a policy based on emotions,” Rachman said.

Tidak salah kita bersatu. Yang jadi masalah adalah penggunaan kata 'Melayu'. Dan di Indonesia kata Melayu hanya berarti suku Melayu itu sendiri dan tidak berlaku untuk yang lainnya. Di Indonesia sudah terjadi penyempitan arti kata Melayu, yang dulunya mengacu pada 'suku-suku yang mendiami Kepulauan Nusantara' menjadi 'orang Melayu'. Sedangkan di Malaysia, kata itu masih mmiliki arti yang lama.. Namanya juga bahasa, tidak statis, melainkan dinamis. Maknanya dapat meluas dan menyempit, kadang timbul kata-kata baru..

See... that's the problem :cheers:
In Indonesia they will care and protest if you refer their culture as Malay culture.

izinkan saya menerangkan lebih lanjut senario di Malaysia:

Keturunan Minangkabau yang membentuk majoriti di Negeri Sembilan mengaku dirinya adalah MELAYU.

Keturunan Jawa yang ramai mendiami negeri Johor juga mengaku dirinya MELAYU.

Juga orang-orang Bugis di Selangor yang mengaku menjadi MELAYU.

the fact is, many of 'malaysian malay' even FORGET that they are from those ethnic (jawa, bugis etc.). they only know they are part of MALAY atau BUMIPUTERA.

ini adalah dasar kerajaan/pemerintah di malaysia yang menyatukan mereka under the banner MALAY. and they have no problem with that. no objection.

even UMNO means...'UNITED MALAY' National Organization.

kerna itu, tarian kuda kepang, tarian piring (minang), arsitektur minangkabau menjadi sebahagian dari KEBUDAYAAN MELAYU MALAYSIA.

bukannya 'Maling' dari Indonesia.

kerana, Wilayah Indonesia dan Malaysia adalah dibentuk oleh PENJAJAH Belanda dan Inggeris.

sebelum kedatangan penjajah, tidak wujud perkataan Malaysia or Indonesia.

kemudian selepas merdeka, dasar pemerintah lah yang menentukan sama ada etnik itu mahu dikenali dengan nama Melayu atau kekal dengan nama lama.

Why must we unite under the banner of one "Malay race" while excluding the Chinese and Indian as their own race? In Indonesia, we try to unite all of them regardless of their ethnic group while retaining their own unique culture. Even the chinese and other foreign descendants are recognised as "native/indigineous Indonesian" by the law as long as they never give up their citizenship:

tidak benar di situ.

Etnik cina juga berbeza: Hokkien, Kantonis, Hakka, Teow Chew etc.

di malaysia mereka mengaggap diri mereka Malaysia Chinese

Juga kaum India di Malaysia : Tamil, Telegu, Malayalam, Punjab, Ceylon, etc.

di malaysia mereka senang digelar Malaysian Indian

Juga Orang Sabah : Melanau, Kadazan, Bajau etc. Mereka menggelar diri mereka 'Bumiputera Sabah'.

ok, as you said, Indonesian unite those peoples 'while retaining their own unique culture'. jika itu keadaannya, mengapa jika etnik jawa di malaysia mahu menari tarian reog, kamu menggelar mereka 'maling'?

ok, as you said, Indonesian unite those peoples 'while retaining their own unique culture'. jika itu keadaannya, mengapa jika etnik jawa di malaysia mahu menari tarian reog, kamu menggelar mereka 'maling'?

Because they are called "Malay" dance!
If you want to retained the culture, it must be called Javanese dance, not Malay. I bet these conflict won;t happen if in the beggining the reog dance is called "Javanese dance" by the Malaysian Tourism board
As simple as that:nuts:

Because they are called "Malay" dance!


buktikan!

kemukakan buktinya.

adakah semua yang dilapor media indonesia itu, benar?

See... that's the problem :cheers:
In Indonesia they will care and protest if you refer their culture as Malay culture.

Why must we unite under the banner of one "Malay race" while excluding the Chinese and Indian as their own race? In Indonesia, we try to unite all of them regardless of their ethnic group while retaining their own unique culture. Even the chinese and other foreign descendants are recognised as "native/indigineous Indonesian" by the law as long as they never give up their citizenship:

itu adalah perbezaan antara malaysia dan indonesia...Malaysia pernah dijajah oleh British..dan penjajahan british telah memecahbelahkan penduduk Tanah melayu....ketika itu semua kaum nusantara di tanah melayu telah mengalami asimilasi dan mereka mengangap diri mereka sebagai orang melayu...kaum melayu ini telah dipisahkan dari arus pemodenan oleh british dengn menempatkan mereka di luar bandar...orang cina yang berhijrah ke Malaysia mentap di bandar dan orang india ditempatkan di estet..keadaan ini telah mewujudkn jurang kaum yg besar di tanah melayu ketika itu..dasar british ini dikenali sebagai dasar pecah dan perintah....

dasar ini memberi kesan kepada sosio budaya masyrakat ketika itu..kaum melayu yang banyak di luar bandar menubuhkan komuniti mereka sendiri seperti sekolah agama, kaum cina yng menetap di bandar ketika itu mendirikan sekolah cina dan berniaga...dan orang india di estet dan ladang menubuhkan sekolah tamil...

bayangkan selama beratus tahun sistem ini dilaksanakan penjajah british..dan penduduk tanah melayu telah di pecahbelahkan...indonesia tidak sama dengn malaysia..ketika penduduk indonesia yng hmpir 90 peratus ethnic nusantara dan islam dan hnye sebahagian kecil kaum cina....bangsa cina di indonesia mudah mengalami asimilasi dengn penduduk tempatan dan mewujudkan satu bangsa indonesia yang dominnan...kaum cina di indonesia mengunakan dialek bahasa tempatan, berbudaya seperti orng tempatan....

hal ini sangt sukar dilaksanakan di malaysia...dasar penjajah telah lama memecahbelahkan masyrakat tanah melayu ketika itu...kaum cina dan india sudah sebati dengn budaya mereka...jumlah mereka sangt ramai..hampir 40% penduduk malaysia ketika ini..bukan dari bangsa nusantara....

untuk menjaga kehormanian kaum di malaysia...pemerintah malaysia tidak boleh memaksa kaum minoriti mengikut kaum majoriti...pemerintah malaysia membenarkan budaya mereka berkembg..sebb itu anda boleh melihat..masyarakat cina dan india di malaysia..adalah antara yg paling kuat berpegang pada budaya dan adat mereka walaupun sudah beratus tahun nenek moyang mereka meningglkn tanah besar china dan india....

sebagi sebuah negara yng baru 52 tahun bersatu seelpas berkurun lamanya di jajah dan di pecahbelahkn oleh penjajah british...pendududk malaysia ketika ini sedang berusha untuk membentuk satu bangsa malaysia yang dominan...kami bermula dengn menyatupadukan seluruh ethnic nusantara di bawah satu bangsa..bangsa melayu...seluruh ethnic cina bergabung membentuk bangsa cina, dan seluruh etnik india di malaysia bergabung membentuk bangsa india....dan kini dengn munculnya pelbagi parti politi k pelbagai kaum di malaysia seperti PKR, DAP dan perubahan yng sedang berlaku dalam BN...penduduk malysia ketika ini sedang berusaha membentuk satu entiti nasional iaitu satu malaysia...bangsa malaysia yang bersatu

sebagai sebuah negara dimana kaum majoriti hanya lebih sedikit dari kaum minoriti cabaran kami sngt besar..dan sesungguhnya malaysia adlah antara negara pelbagai kaum paling aman di dunia.....

disebbkn ini jugalah malaysia sangt berbngga dengan kebudayaanya dimana..budaya melayu nusantara, budaya cina, budya india diangkat dan dipromosikan sebagai budaya malaysia...yang menonjolkn betapa kepelbagaian budaya dari tiga bngsa dominan di asia, bangsa nusantara, bangsa cina dan bangsa india..kesemunya berada di bumi malaysia..kami tidak dikenali kerana mempunyai budaya melayu nusntara sahaja..tetapi kami juga turut di kenali kerana mempunyai budaya cina dan india yng menonjol seiring dengn budaya melayu nusantara...

ini yng membezakan kita disebalik begitu banyak persamman antara malaysia dan indonesia :)

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Tourism Ministry Gets Apology Letter From Discovery TV Network

kita bangga telah merdeka dan bangga telah bebas dari penguasaan asing. tetapi, MINDA kita masih terjajah dan mudah dipermainkan oleh warga barat/asing.

mungkin ini disengajakan untuk memecah belahkan kedua-dua negara.

pihak barat telah berjaya merosakkan hubungan sesama bangsa arab. nah, sekarang sasaran mereka ialah org2 di nusantara ini yg rata-rata beragama Islam.

yeah, teruskan menjadi bahan permainan asing. dan kita akan saling benci membenci kerana gagal mempelajari budaya dan sejarah nenek moyang kita yang SATU.

I really don't like this comment... Selalu dihubungkan: Barat dan agama... Ini menurut saya juga salah satu komentar yang sifatnya justru merusak dan menyebarkan kebencian.

Sememangnya Barat telah berjaya dalam misi memecah belahkan duia Arab, Pakistan, Iran dan Iran.. dan sekarang mereka berusaha untuk memecah belahkan Nusantara... Mereka punyai berbagai cara untuk merekayasa segala galanya kerana misi mereka adalah untuk terus menguasai dunia... Waspadalah...

Apakah teman-teman ingin memunculkan kebencian terhadap pihak lain? Mencari musuh bersama dan kemudian melupakan masalah sendiri??

Melayu juga berarti "Lari" kan ? :D hehehe...

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University Insists on Malaysian Ban

Officials of Diponegoro University stood firm on its decision not to admit Malaysian students, even though the Ministry of National Education urged the state-run school to lift the policy.


So sad, this has gone too far.....even this educational institution has banned or not accepting Malaysian students.... :ohno:

^^ caused by some reasons..

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^^ thanks mod udah diapus threadnya di Gado2, emosi sesaat, haha.. :D

Menlu akan Berkunjung ke Timor Leste



Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Menteri Luar Negeri Hassan Wirajuda akan mengunjungi Timor Leste untuk menghadiri perayaan 10 tahun kemerdekaan negara itu sejak pernyataan kemerdekaan Timor Timur setelah jajak pendapat.

"Kehadiran Menlu adalah untuk memenuhi undangan dari Presiden Timor Leste. Perayaannya pada 30 Agustus 2009," kata Juru Bicara Departemen Luar Negeri Teuku Faizasyah di Jakarta, Jumat.

Menurut Faizasyah, kehadiran Menlu dalam perayaan itu adalah sebagai wujud itikad baik Indonesia untuk menciptakan hubungan yang baik antara kedua negara.

"Dengan semangat rekonsiliasi....untuk membangun hubungan persahabatan dan melihat ke masa depan yang lebih baik," ujarnya.

Saat ditanya tentang rencana pemutaran film "Balibo" dalam perayaan itu, Faizasyah mengatakan bahwa itu adalah hak pemerintah Timor Leste untuk menentukan pernak-pernik dari perayaan.

"Kita diundang, kita penuhi undangan, kita datang sebagai bentuk komitmen kita, kita tidak melihat pernak-pernik acara," katanya.

Namun, lanjut dia, terkait Balibo sudah ada fakta bersama yang dipaparkan oleh Pemerintah Indonesia dan diterima pula oleh Australia. Kasus itu sendiri telah ditutup.

Pada tahun lalu, Robert Connoly menyutradarai film "Balibo" yang mengisahkan mengenai peristiwa kematian sejumlah wartawan jaringan televisi Australia di Balibo, Timor Timur, 16 Oktober 1975.

Sebelumnya Pemerintah Indonesia telah menyampaikan harapan agar film tersebut juga menampung cara pandang Pemerintah Indonesia dan berimbang, sekalipun tidak mencampuri pembuatan film itu.

Faizasyah mengatakan, apabila film yang ditayangkan adalah film yang berasal dari buku atau apapun yang tidak bersumber fakta resmi yang telah diterima kedua pemerintah maka produk itu bersifat fiksi.

Timor Timur menyatakan kemerdekaannya setelah jajak pendapat pada era pemerintahan Presiden RI BJ Habibie.

"Kemerdekaan itu dimungkinkan karena ada perubahan situasi pada era Presiden RI Habibie dimana proses jajak pendapat dapat dilakukan karena Indonesia lebih terbuka pasca reformasi," kata Faizasyah. (*)



:cheers: :cheers:

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RI Minta Situs Pelecehan Indonesia Raya Dicabut



Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Juru bicara Departemen Luar Negeri Teuku Faizasyah mengatakan bahwa Pemerintah Indonesia telah meminta agar situs yang memuat lirik pelecehan lagu kebangsaan Indonesia Raya dicabut.

"Keterangan dari Depkominfo situs yang memuat lagu itu ditemukan berasal dari Amerika Serikat dan karena melanggar etis maka kita meminta agar situs itu ditutup, dan tentunya sudah ditutup," kata Faizasyah di Jakarta, Jumat.

Ia mengatakan bahwa Deplu dan Departemen Komunikasi dan Informasi (Depkominfo) terus berkoordinasi atas kasus pelecehan lagu kebangsaan itu.

"Tapi saya bukan ahli teknologi komunikasi. Apakah setelah diblokir dan dikeluarkan (pelecehan lagu itu) masih bisa muncul di situs lain. Saya belum bisa memastikan itu," ujar Faizasyah.

Lebih lanjut, ia mengatakan, agar publik tidak terpancing dan mencampuradukkan apa yang dilakukan oleh orang-orang iseng (individual) dengan pemerintahan karena hal itu dapat mengganggu hubungan dwipihak yang lebih luas.

Sebelumnya, dalam suatu forum di salah satu situs di internet yaitu Topix Forum World Malaysia, pada komentar tertanggal 28 Juli 2009 terdapat lirik lagu Indonesia Raya yang telah diplesetkan.

Menilik dari gaya bahasa yang digunakan, diduga orang-orang yang terlibat dalam forum itu adalah orang-orang dari Malaysia yang ingin menjelek-jelekkan Indonesia di dunia maya.

Dalam situs itu syair lagu Indonesia Raya berubah total dengan memasukan kata-kata yang tidak pantas. (*)


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akhirnya ada tindakan tegas pemerintah..........

Melayu juga berarti "Lari" kan ? :D hehehe...

Yes.. In Javanese :lol:

Malaysia dituduh ‘pencuri’ dan ‘kurang ajar’
Oleh Borhan Abu Samah

‘‘MALAYSIA itu memang pencuri dan kurang ajar,” begitulah kenyataan kasar yang berkumandang di stesen televisyen tempatan Indonesia dan diulang berkali-kali.

Kenyataan itu keluar daripada mulut seorang wakil rakyat Bali yang mengecam promosi pelancongan Malaysia di Discovery Channel yang memuatkan Tarian Pendet yang merupakan tarian penganut agama Hindu di Bali.

Mungkin perkataan pencuri dan kurang ajar itu adalah perkara biasa diucapkan oleh penduduk Indonesia khususnya di Bali, tetapi bagi rakyat Malaysia ia satu kata-kata yang sangat kesat.

Menteri Pelancongan Indonesia, Jerowacik pula menyatakan akan menyaman Malaysia kerana menggunakan Tarian Pendet di dalam promosi pelancongan.

Menurut Jerowacik, Indonesia merupakan negara yang kaya dengan kebudayaan, oleh sebab itulah Malaysia yang miskin kebudayaan sering mencuri daripada Indonesia.

Sesungguhnya kenyataan yang begitu kasar itu cukup mengejutkan penulis dan tidak seharusnya keluar daripada pemimpin mana-mana negara, apatah lagi membuat tuduhan terhadap negara tetangga.

Seingat penulis, tidak pernah pihak berkuasa atau pemimpin di Malaysia menggunakan kata-kata kesat sedemikian ketika mengulas sebarang masalah berkait dengan negara tetangga. Walaupun telah nyata kehadiran warganegara asing berkenaan menjadi punca meningkatnya kejadian jenayah rogol, bunuh, pecah rumah dan sebagainya.

Seperti biasa Malaysia walaupun dituduh sebagai pencuri, kurang ajar dan sombong, tetap merendah diri serta bertanggungjawab apabila Kuasa Usaha Sementara Kedutaan Besar Malaysia di Indonesia, Amran Mohammed Zin menyatakan permohonan maaf di atas kesilapan itu ketika dipanggil mengadap Jerowacik. Promo itu juga akan digantikan dengan yang baru, walaupun kerajaan tidak terlibat langsung dalam penerbitannya.

Jerowacik juga telah menghantar surat kepada Malaysia bagi mendapatkan penjelasan lanjut berhubung dengan kesilapan itu.

Tidak cukup itu di dalam program kuliah sempena Ramadan yang disiarkan oleh sebuah stesen tempatan, seorang ustaz juga terbawa-bawa dengan isu murahan tersebut apabila turut melabelkan Malaysia sebagai pencuri kerana kes yang sama.

Begitulah Indonesia, mereka akan membuat tuduhan melulu, tanpa usul periksa dan apabila mendapati tersilap, mereka mendiamkan diri dengan tidak berasa bersalah walaupun sekelumit.

Ternyata itu bukan promosi pelancongan oleh kerajaan Malaysia, tetapi merupakan sebuah program yang diterbitkan oleh pihak swasta iaitu penerbitan KRU yang merupakan milik Norman KRU dan kemudiannya dijual kepada Discovery Channel.

Norman sendiri telah memberi penjelasan program tersebut dihasilkan oleh syarikat penerbitannya tanpa melibatkan kerajaan Malaysia dan promo yang digunakan pula dihasilkan oleh Discovery Channel.

Norman memberitahu sebuah stesen tempatan Indonesia bahawa dia hanya menjual program kepada Discovery Channel dan tidak terlibat dalam menyediakan promo. Kesilapan adalah berpunca daripada penerbit yang tidak meneliti terlebih dahulu isi kandungan program termasuk promo yang dibuat.

Sebagai rakyat Malaysia penulis sendiri tidak pernah mengetahui tentang Tarian Pendet yang merupakan upacara penganut agama Hindu di Bali iaitu destinasi yang menjadi tumpuan rakyat Malaysia bercuti. Tarian itu kemudiannya diubah suai menjadi tarian menyambut tetamu.

Kini persoalannya di mana kerajaan Indonesia mahu kaitkan penglibatan kerajaan Malaysia dalam menyediakan program tersebut.

Pepatah Melayu ada mengingatkan ‘terlajak perahu boleh diundur, terlajak kata buruk padahnya’. Kini selepas tuduhan sedemikian pastinya tidak akan ada pihak Indonesia yang akan memohon maaf kepada Malaysia walaupun kenyataan mereka melukakan hati rakyat Malaysia.

Ini bukan pertama kali pemimpin Indonesia membuat tuduhan melulu. Sebelum ini mereka menuduh Malaysia mencuri kebudayaan Indonesia apabila turut mempersembahkan Tarian Barongsai.

Malaysia juga dituduh mencuri masakan rendang serta masakan Padang dan dijadikan sebahagian daripada makanan tradisional Malaysia. Bahkan Malaysia juga dituduh pencuri kerana mempromosi batik yang berasal dari Pulau Jawa dan alat muzik Angklong.

Penulis masih ingat ketika Menteri Pertahanan, Datuk Seri Dr. Ahmad Zahid Hamidi mengadakan lawatan ke Indonesia, beliau juga ditanya tentang perkara itu.

Jawapan Zahid mudah: “Apakah saudara semua sanggup menuduh, saudara mara anda di Malaysia sebagai pencuri?”

Penjelasan Zahid yang berketurunan Jawa dari Yogyakarta dan boleh berbahasa Jawa halus itu memang tepat sekali.

Budaya itu dibawa oleh kaum Jawa dan kaum dari Padang bersama-sama mereka ketika berhijrah ke Malaysia kerana ia telah menjadi sebahagian daripada kehidupan mereka dan merekalah yang mengamalkan kebudayaan tersebut.

Oleh itu kebudayaan Malaysia dan Indonesia hampir sama, tetapi sesuai dengan peredaran masa ia telah diubah mengikut selera semasa.

Kini rakyat Malaysia pastinya menunggu apakah ada permohonan maaf daripada Jerowacik yang membuat tuduhan melulu terhadap Malaysia, atau seperti biasa yang diamalkan iaitu budaya ‘lempar batu sembunyi tangan’.

Malaysia dituduh ‘pencuri’ dan ‘kurang ajar’
Oleh Borhan Abu Samah

‘‘MALAYSIA itu memang pencuri dan kurang ajar,” begitulah kenyataan kasar yang berkumandang di stesen televisyen tempatan Indonesia dan diulang berkali-kali.

Kenyataan itu keluar daripada mulut seorang wakil rakyat Bali yang mengecam promosi pelancongan Malaysia di Discovery Channel yang memuatkan Tarian Pendet yang merupakan tarian penganut agama Hindu di Bali.

Mungkin perkataan pencuri dan kurang ajar itu adalah perkara biasa diucapkan oleh penduduk Indonesia khususnya di Bali, tetapi bagi rakyat Malaysia ia satu kata-kata yang sangat kesat.

Menteri Pelancongan Indonesia, Jerowacik pula menyatakan akan menyaman Malaysia kerana menggunakan Tarian Pendet di dalam promosi pelancongan.

Menurut Jerowacik, Indonesia merupakan negara yang kaya dengan kebudayaan, oleh sebab itulah Malaysia yang miskin kebudayaan sering mencuri daripada Indonesia.

Sesungguhnya kenyataan yang begitu kasar itu cukup mengejutkan penulis dan tidak seharusnya keluar daripada pemimpin mana-mana negara, apatah lagi membuat tuduhan terhadap negara tetangga.

Seingat penulis, tidak pernah pihak berkuasa atau pemimpin di Malaysia menggunakan kata-kata kesat sedemikian ketika mengulas sebarang masalah berkait dengan negara tetangga. Walaupun telah nyata kehadiran warganegara asing berkenaan menjadi punca meningkatnya kejadian jenayah rogol, bunuh, pecah rumah dan sebagainya.

Seperti biasa Malaysia walaupun dituduh sebagai pencuri, kurang ajar dan sombong, tetap merendah diri serta bertanggungjawab apabila Kuasa Usaha Sementara Kedutaan Besar Malaysia di Indonesia, Amran Mohammed Zin menyatakan permohonan maaf di atas kesilapan itu ketika dipanggil mengadap Jerowacik. Promo itu juga akan digantikan dengan yang baru, walaupun kerajaan tidak terlibat langsung dalam penerbitannya.

Jerowacik juga telah menghantar surat kepada Malaysia bagi mendapatkan penjelasan lanjut berhubung dengan kesilapan itu.

Tidak cukup itu di dalam program kuliah sempena Ramadan yang disiarkan oleh sebuah stesen tempatan, seorang ustaz juga terbawa-bawa dengan isu murahan tersebut apabila turut melabelkan Malaysia sebagai pencuri kerana kes yang sama.

Begitulah Indonesia, mereka akan membuat tuduhan melulu, tanpa usul periksa dan apabila mendapati tersilap, mereka mendiamkan diri dengan tidak berasa bersalah walaupun sekelumit.

Ternyata itu bukan promosi pelancongan oleh kerajaan Malaysia, tetapi merupakan sebuah program yang diterbitkan oleh pihak swasta iaitu penerbitan KRU yang merupakan milik Norman KRU dan kemudiannya dijual kepada Discovery Channel.

Norman sendiri telah memberi penjelasan program tersebut dihasilkan oleh syarikat penerbitannya tanpa melibatkan kerajaan Malaysia dan promo yang digunakan pula dihasilkan oleh Discovery Channel.

Norman memberitahu sebuah stesen tempatan Indonesia bahawa dia hanya menjual program kepada Discovery Channel dan tidak terlibat dalam menyediakan promo. Kesilapan adalah berpunca daripada penerbit yang tidak meneliti terlebih dahulu isi kandungan program termasuk promo yang dibuat.

Sebagai rakyat Malaysia penulis sendiri tidak pernah mengetahui tentang Tarian Pendet yang merupakan upacara penganut agama Hindu di Bali iaitu destinasi yang menjadi tumpuan rakyat Malaysia bercuti. Tarian itu kemudiannya diubah suai menjadi tarian menyambut tetamu.

Kini persoalannya di mana kerajaan Indonesia mahu kaitkan penglibatan kerajaan Malaysia dalam menyediakan program tersebut.

Pepatah Melayu ada mengingatkan ‘terlajak perahu boleh diundur, terlajak kata buruk padahnya’. Kini selepas tuduhan sedemikian pastinya tidak akan ada pihak Indonesia yang akan memohon maaf kepada Malaysia walaupun kenyataan mereka melukakan hati rakyat Malaysia.

Ini bukan pertama kali pemimpin Indonesia membuat tuduhan melulu. Sebelum ini mereka menuduh Malaysia mencuri kebudayaan Indonesia apabila turut mempersembahkan Tarian Barongsai.

Malaysia juga dituduh mencuri masakan rendang serta masakan Padang dan dijadikan sebahagian daripada makanan tradisional Malaysia. Bahkan Malaysia juga dituduh pencuri kerana mempromosi batik yang berasal dari Pulau Jawa dan alat muzik Angklong.

Penulis masih ingat ketika Menteri Pertahanan, Datuk Seri Dr. Ahmad Zahid Hamidi mengadakan lawatan ke Indonesia, beliau juga ditanya tentang perkara itu.

Jawapan Zahid mudah: “Apakah saudara semua sanggup menuduh, saudara mara anda di Malaysia sebagai pencuri?”

Penjelasan Zahid yang berketurunan Jawa dari Yogyakarta dan boleh berbahasa Jawa halus itu memang tepat sekali.

Budaya itu dibawa oleh kaum Jawa dan kaum dari Padang bersama-sama mereka ketika berhijrah ke Malaysia kerana ia telah menjadi sebahagian daripada kehidupan mereka dan merekalah yang mengamalkan kebudayaan tersebut.

Oleh itu kebudayaan Malaysia dan Indonesia hampir sama, tetapi sesuai dengan peredaran masa ia telah diubah mengikut selera semasa.

Kini rakyat Malaysia pastinya menunggu apakah ada permohonan maaf daripada Jerowacik yang membuat tuduhan melulu terhadap Malaysia, atau seperti biasa yang diamalkan iaitu budaya ‘lempar batu sembunyi tangan’.

Mana ada Maling teriak Maling sendiri..... akui seja lah, kalau selalu klaim budaya negeri orang, Batik????? Reog Ponorogo??? Angklung??? mau pembenaran diri??? Kalau memang mau jadi tujuan wisata jangan kalim budaya irang, cari budaya negara sendiri.... sangat menjijikan sekali. Maaf

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then UMNO, the main political party in malaysia unite those 'malay' into one race.

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thats called racial seggregation my dear friend

hmm ive been butthurting since the beginning of this argumentation about indonesia-malaysia, please, dont try to divert the issue here, dont try to divert our attention to blame third party, our common enemy is the misconception, and dirty pollitical maneuver from BOTH sides

@all, tidak akan ada habisnya membicarakan keburukan... coba di ganti topik pembicaraan yang baik2 saja.. mungkin lebih membangun.. tentu kita tidak ingin forum ini jadi panas hanya karena terpancing emosi, seperti yg terjadi di forum2 lainnya.... sama sekali tidak bersikap dewasa dan terpelajar (umpatan dan cacian saling terlontar) sangat tidak beretika... PEACE.... :cheers:

@all, tidak akan ada habisnya membicarakan keburukan... coba di ganti topik pembicaraan yang baik2 saja.. mungkin lebih membangun.. tentu kita tidak ingin forum ini jadi panas hanya karena terpancing emosi, seperti yg terjadi di forum2 lainnya.... sama sekali tidak bersikap dewasa dan terpelajar (umpatan dan cacian saling terlontar) sangat tidak beretika... PEACE.... :cheers:

Suami istri bercerai mungkin disebabkan orang ketiga...

Dua sahabat jadi setru juga mungkin dari olah orang ketiga...

Istri yg baik mungkin tidak disukai ibu mertua...

Jadi segala galanya pasti ada kemungkinan...

Dua negara bersahabat pasti ada mereka yg tidak menyenanginya..

Semuanya pasti ada banyak kemungkinan...

Kenapa harus bermusuhan..

Carilah titik pertemuan...

Suami istri bercerai mungkin disebabkan orang ketiga...

Dua sahabat jadi setru juga mungkin dari olah orang ketiga...

Istri yg baik mungkin tidak disukai ibu mertua...

Jadi segala galanya pasti ada kemungkinan...

Dua negara bersahabat pasti ada mereka yg tidak menyenanginya..

Semuanya pasti ada banyak kemungkinan...

Kenapa harus bermusuhan..

Carilah titik pertemuan...


^^
SETUJU, mari saling mawas diri dan mewaspadai lingkungan sekitar, jangan sampai kita menjadi bangsa yg mudah di adu domba...

Buktikan kalau forum ini adalah forum yg lebih friendly... god bless you all... MERDEKA :banana: :banana: :banana:

Malaysia Mau Beli Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana Rp1,5 Triliun


BADUNG--MI: Malaysia kembali melakukan ulah. Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana (GWK), berupa patung Dewa Wisnu yang sedang mengendarai garuda kini ditawar dengan harga Rp1,5 triliun.

Itu diungkapkan Gubernur Bali, Made Mangku Pastika, saat melakukan simakrama (tatap muka) di Wantilan Pura Saka Jajar, Pura Lingga Bhuwana, Pusat Pemerintahan (Puspem), Mengwi, Badung, Sabtu (29/8). "Malaysia beberapa kali sudah melakukan penawaran kepada pengurus pembangunan GWK. Itu baru sayap dan kepalanya saja yang sudah jadi, bagaimana kalau nanti semuanya sudah jadi? Jangan sampai ini milik bangsa lain," jelasnya.

Patung GWK ini merupakan patung terbesar dunia dengan tinggi 75 meter dan lebar 60 meter dan akan mengalahkan patung Liberty. GWK ini merupakan mahakarya dari seniman Bali I Nyoman Nuarta yang berada di daerah Bali Selatan, tepatnya di Bukit Ungasan, Kabupaten Badung. "Jangan sampai karya besar seni ini jatuh ke bangsa lain. Ini harus milik masyarakat Bali. GWK itu merupakan karya besar setelah Borobudur. GWK akan menjadi karya terbesar setelah 1.000 tahun berdirinya Borobudur," ujarnya.

Nah, untuk itu, Pemerintah Provinsi (Pemprov) Bali akan mengeluarkan obligasi (surat utang) yang dapat dibeli oleh masyarakat Bali. Hal ini akan memberikan kontribusi kepada masyarakat Bali untuk lebih memiliki sekaligus mendapatkan bunga bagi yang memberikan obligasi tersebut.

Pemprov Bali juga berencana untuk menggelar pembukaan konferensi di GWK, seperti konser, pameran kesenian, dan festival skala nasional atau internasional, sehingga dapat memberikan pendanaan bagi pembangunan Bali ke depan. (OL/OL-04)

Sumber: Media Indonesia

^^ e cpd ..

a historical fact saying peoples of malay archipelago (or whatever you want to label them) are originated from present-day Taiwan. and recent study suggest that peoples in this islands including malay peninsular came from present-day Vietnam.

when people living in such remote islands, there is a possibilities that they will 'lost contact' with their own people, and through out age, they evolve into a different ethnic.

so then Minangkabau, Jawa, Sunda, etc was born....

in Malaysia, it is not only 'Malay' who become officially Malay under the constituency. Jawa, Minangkabau, Bugis who migrate to the peninsular then intermarriage and becoming into ONE NATION, the MALAY.

then UMNO, the main political party in malaysia unite those 'malay' into one race.

does uniting peoples a bad thing?

http://www.jarodlim.com/wp-images/Sultan_Selangor.jpg

^^ Sultan Selangor. Baginda adalah keturunan BUGIS

http://www1.mstar.com.my/archives/2008/12/27/mstar_mutakhir/gambar_fail_tuanku.jpg

^^ Yang di-Pertuan Besar Negeri Sembilan adalah keturunan Minangkabau.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c1Ol5yeA870/SjCr68qnv9I/AAAAAAAAAa0/p6s32mq8UyU/s400/Sultan%2BPerak.jpg

^^ Sultan Perak adalah berketurunan dari Melayu Palembang. yang dikatakan berasal dari kerajaan Srivijaya.


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~royalty/pix/sultanmizan.jpg

^^ Sultan Terengganu, berasal dari kerajaan Melayu Pattani (present-day Thailand)

nah, orang2 di semenanjung adalah campuran rumpun2 kecil etnik2 di kepulauan Nusantara.

adalah SALAH jika mereka bersatu?

atau lebih baik berpecah belah seperti bangsa ARAB?

thanx for Your info:)

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Lagu Kebangsaan Malaysia "Negaraku" diduga dari Indonesia.


Polemik klaim budaya Indonesia oleh Malaysia semakin memanas. Kini giliran perusahaan milik negara yang bergerak dalam usaha dokumentasi, Lokananta Solo membeberkan bukti bahwa lagu kebangsaan milik Negeri Jiran berjudul Negaraku mirip lagu Terang Bulan yang telah mereka produksi pada 1965.


Dugaan pen-jlipakan tersebut semakin diperkuat dengan adanya pita asli Terang Bulan yang masih dipegang pihak Lokananta -Perusahaan Rekaman tertua di Indonesia-.

”Intro dan aransemennya sangat mirip dengan lagu Terang Bulan. Tempo dan bar-nya hanya beda tipis. Sedangkan liriknya diubah sesuai kebutuhan negara Malaysia,” papar Kepala Perum Lokananta Solo, Ruktiningsih kepada wartawan, Jumat (28/8), di kantornya.

Dia menambahkan, dokumen yang tersimpan di Lokananta menunjukkan lagu tersebut telah direkam secara koor pada 1956 di Radio Republik Indonesia (RRI) Jakarta dan dinyanyikan oleh Ensemble Bandung. Selanjutnya, lantaran akan dipergunakan untuk bahan siaran bagi seluruh RRI di Indonesia maka lagu tersebut kemudian diperbanyak pada piringan hitam pada 16 Maret 1965.

”Sesuai dengan undang-undang hak cipta, karena Lokananta yang memproduksi lagu tersebut, maka lagu itu adalah karya cipta milik Indonesia. Sebenarnya kecurigaan ini sudah mengemuka sejak lama,” lanjut Ruktiningsih.
Menurut catatan yang ada pada arsip milik Lokananta, lagu Terang Bulan masuk kategori lagu hiburan dan populer kerakyatan dalam jenis keroncong berdurasi 11 menit 15 detik. Menurut Ruktiningsih, lagu Terang Bulan merupakan lagu-lagu daerah.

”Kami lihat dulu langkah selanjutnya. Apakah Lokananta akan melaporkannya ke pihak kedutaan besar atau pemerintah?” tandas dia.






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he he he sebenernya dah lama tuh beritanya:)

^^kalo yg ini cerai bukan karena pihak ketiga, tapi karena salah satu pihak melakukan pelecehan ato istilah gaulnya KDRT getoh :D

thanx for Your info:)

anther information, our prime minister now, Dato’ Sri Mohd. Najib bin Tun Haji Abdul Razak is a Bugis and now president of UMNO (I'm not one of the supporter of this party:lol:)

Dato’ Sri Mohd Najib Keturunan Bugis
Oleh : Ismail S. Wekke

14-Sep-2008, 17:13:29 WIB - [www.kabarindonesia.com]
KabarIndonesia - Berikut ini adalah gambaran tentang karir politik dan pendidikan Yang Amat Berhormat Dato’ Sri Dr. (HC) Mohd. Najib bin Tun Haji Abdul Razak.

Tiga hari sebelum Ramadhan tahun lalu, tepatnya 10 September 2007, Senat Universitas Hasanauddin, dalam pelaksanaan Dies Natalis ke-51, membrikan anugerah Doktor Honoris Causa kepada Dato’ Sri Mohd. Najib Tun Razak dalam bidang ekonomi politik.

Anugerah tersebut diberikan bukan karena kemasyhuran bapaknya yang merupakan Perdana Menteri Malaysia, melainkan telah dipandang dari integritas dan kemampuan yang dimilikinya.

Selain itu juga ada ikatan emosional yang memperat hubungan Dato’ Sri dengan masyarakat Bugis-Makassar, yaitu adanya silsilah keturunan Dato’ Sri dengan Raja Gowa XX.

Pun pada kunjungan pertamanya beberapa tahun lalu ke tanah Bugis, beliau sekaligus diberi anugerah kebudayaan sebagai warga kehormatan Gowa dengan gelar Dato’ Sri Mohammad Najib Tun Abdul Razak Imappadulung Dg Mattimung Karaeng Sanrobone Sultan Abd Jalil Raja Gowa XX.

Adapun anugerah Doktor Honoris Causa juga pernah diraihnya dari Multimedia University Malaysia pada Konvokesyen ketujuh. Mohd. Najib bergelar Dato’ Sri karena beliau memiliki hubungan darah Orang Kaya Indera Shahbandar Pahang. Gelar ini diberikan oleh Duli Yang Maha Mulia Raja Negeri Pahang.

Beliau dilahirkan di Kuala Lipis, Pahang pada 23 Juli 1953. Saat ini menjabat sebagai Timbalan Perdana Mentri (TPM---Timbalan berarti wakil, red) Malaysia yang kesembilan. Dia dilantik sebagai TPM sejak tanggal 7 Januari 2004. Dari istri kedua, Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor, beliau memiliki tiga putra dan dua putri.

Dato’ Sri merupakan anak tertua Allahyarham Tun Razak, Perdana Menteri Malaysia kedua. Ayahnya meninggal karena serangan jantung di London pada 14 Januari 1976.

Dato' Sri, yang ketika itu masih berusia 23 tahun, langsung terpilih menduduki jabatan Dewan Rakyat sebagai utusan Pekan, Pahang karena kekosongan yang ditinggalkan ayahandanya.
Dia mengisi kekosongan tersebut dengan kemenangan aklamasi tanpa melalui pemilihan umum.

Ketika itu, dia langsung menjadi anggota parlemen termuda. Sejak itulah dia mulai terjun di arena politik dengan mencatat banyak rekor dengan usia yang masih muda telah mengisi berbagai posisi yang strategis.

Pada tahun 1978, misalnya, dalam usia 25 tahun, dia dilantik menduduki jabatan Timbalan Menteri Tenaga, Telekom dan Pos. Pada pelantikan ini, rekor sebagai timbalan menteri termuda kembali dipegangnya.

Pada tahun 1982 sampai tahun 1986, Dato’ Sri menjabat sebagai Menteri Besar Pahang. Dalam umur 29 tahun, sekali lagi dia menjabat menteri besar yang termuda. Mentri besar merupakan jabatan eksekutif tertinggi di setiap negeri, semacam provinsi kalau di Indonesia.

Selangkapnya jabatan dalam kabinet yang pernah disandangnya adalah sebagai berikut:
1978 – 1980: Timbalan Menteri Tenaga, Telekom dan Pos
1980 – 1981: Timbalan Menteri Pendidikan
1981 – 1982: Timbalan Menteri Kewangan
1982 – 1986: Menteri Besar Pahang
1986 – 1988: Menteri Kebudayaan, Belia & Sukan
1988 – 1990: Menteri Belia dan Sukan
1990 – 1995: Menteri Pertahanan
1995 – 1999: Menteri Pendidikan
1999 – kini : Menteri Pertahanan

Dato’ Sri juga pernah dilantik untuk menduduki jabatan Lembaga Lembaga Kemajuan Peternakan (Majuternak). Dalam partai politik UMNO, saat ini menjabat sebagai Naib Presiden UMNO. Pertama kali dilantik sebagai Ketua Pemuda UMNO Bahagian Pekan dan ahli EXCO Pemuda UMNO tahun 1976.

Tahun 1981 terpilih sebagai anggota Majlis Tertinggi UMNO. Kemudian pada tahun 1982 memenangi kursi Naib Ketua Pemuda UMNO secara aklamasi setelah Mokhtar Hashim Datuk Mokhtar Hashim meninggalkan posisi tersebut.

Selanjutnya, tahun 1987, dia menjabat sebagai Pemangku Ketua Pergerakan Pemuda UMNO. Tahun 1988, ketika jabatan ketua dikosongkan oleh Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, maka dia menduduki Ketua Pergerakan Pemuda UMNO.

Karir di UMNO terus maju dengan menduduki jabatan Naib Presiden UMNO di tahun 1993 setelah ditinggalkan Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim yang terpilih sebagai Timbalan Presiden UMNO. Jabatan sebagai Naib Presiden UMNO terus dipertahankan sampai sekarang dalam beberapa kali pemilihan di tahun 1993 dan 1996. Pemilihan terakhir dilaksanakan pada tahun 2000.

Dalam bidang pendidikan, Dato' Sri menyelesaikan sekolah dasar di St John Institution, Kuala Lumpur. Kemudian untuk sekolah menengah diselesaikan di St John Institution, Kuala Lumpur dan Malven Boy's College, Worchestershire, Inggris. Sedangkan pendidikan S1-nya diraihnya di University of Nottingham, Inggris.
http://www.kabarindonesia.com/berita...20080914011512

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Lagu Kebangsaan Malaysia "Negaraku" diduga dari Indonesia.


Polemik klaim budaya Indonesia oleh Malaysia semakin memanas. Kini giliran perusahaan milik negara yang bergerak dalam usaha dokumentasi, Lokananta Solo membeberkan bukti bahwa lagu kebangsaan milik Negeri Jiran berjudul Negaraku mirip lagu Terang Bulan yang telah mereka produksi pada 1965.


Dugaan pen-jlipakan tersebut semakin diperkuat dengan adanya pita asli Terang Bulan yang masih dipegang pihak Lokananta -Perusahaan Rekaman tertua di Indonesia-.

”Intro dan aransemennya sangat mirip dengan lagu Terang Bulan. Tempo dan bar-nya hanya beda tipis. Sedangkan liriknya diubah sesuai kebutuhan negara Malaysia,” papar Kepala Perum Lokananta Solo, Ruktiningsih kepada wartawan, Jumat (28/8), di kantornya.

Dia menambahkan, dokumen yang tersimpan di Lokananta menunjukkan lagu tersebut telah direkam secara koor pada 1956 di Radio Republik Indonesia (RRI) Jakarta dan dinyanyikan oleh Ensemble Bandung. Selanjutnya, lantaran akan dipergunakan untuk bahan siaran bagi seluruh RRI di Indonesia maka lagu tersebut kemudian diperbanyak pada piringan hitam pada 16 Maret 1965.

”Sesuai dengan undang-undang hak cipta, karena Lokananta yang memproduksi lagu tersebut, maka lagu itu adalah karya cipta milik Indonesia. Sebenarnya kecurigaan ini sudah mengemuka sejak lama,” lanjut Ruktiningsih.
Menurut catatan yang ada pada arsip milik Lokananta, lagu Terang Bulan masuk kategori lagu hiburan dan populer kerakyatan dalam jenis keroncong berdurasi 11 menit 15 detik. Menurut Ruktiningsih, lagu Terang Bulan merupakan lagu-lagu daerah.

”Kami lihat dulu langkah selanjutnya. Apakah Lokananta akan melaporkannya ke pihak kedutaan besar atau pemerintah?” tandas dia.

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^^ Jangan terlalu asyik mencari kesalahan orang lain.....:ohno:

Terang Bulan
Dari Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu, ensiklopedia bebas.
Lompat ke: pandu arah, gelintar

Lagu Terang Bulan (ejaan asal/lama Trang Bulan) merupakan lagu yang diambil dari lagu kebesaran Negeri Perak dan dijadikan popular oleh Begawan Indonesian, yang dipentaskan di Singapura sekitar 1920-an dan 1930-an. Lagu ini merupakan lagu kegemaran ramai penduduk Perak ketika itu. Lagu ini pada asalnya merupakan rentak sebuah lagu yang telah dicipta oleh penggubah Perancis, Pierre Jean de Beranger (1780-1857). Lagu ini telah diperkenalkan oleh sebuah kumpulan pancaragam Perancis yang mengadakan persembahan di Pulau Mahé yang terletak dalam Kepulauan Seychelles. Ketika Sultan Idris dari Perak melawat England pada 1888, ia disedari bahawa Perak tidak mempunyai lagu kebangsaan. Pembantu peribadi sultan (Aide-de-camp), Raja Mansur ibni Sultan Abdullah, enggan mengaku bahawa Perak tidak mempunyai lagu kebangsaan dan dengan itu membunyikan lagu yang didengarinya dari Seychelles, melodi yang asalnya ditulis oleh Pierre Jean de Beranger. Selepas itu dia memberitahu Sultan mengenainya, dan Sultan memperkenankan lagu itu sebagai lagu kebangsaan Perak. Liriknya ditulis oleh Raja Ngah Manur bin Raja Abdullah.

Raja Muda Raja Abdullah telah menulis seni kata lagu "Allah Lanjutkan Usia Sultan" yang disesuaikan dengan irama lagu Pierre Jean de Beranger dan kemudian menjadikannya sebagai lagu rasmi Negeri Perak Darul Ridzuan. Irama lagu ini kemudiannya telah dipilih sebagai irama lagu kebangsaan negara Malaysia, Lagu Negaraku.

[sunting] Terang Bulan (lagu asal)

Terang bulan
Terang bulan di kali
Buaya timbul disangkalah mati
Jangan percaya mulutlah lelaki
Berani sumpah 'tapi takut mati
Jangan percaya mulutlah lelaki
Berani sumpah 'tapi takut mati

Waktu potong padi di tengah sawah
Sambil bernyanyi riuh rendah
Memotong padi semua orang
Sedari pagi sampai petang

Waktu potong padi di tengah sawah
Sambil bernyanyi riuh rendah
Bersenang hati sambil bersuka
Tolonglah kami bersama sama

Malaysia Mau Beli Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana Rp1,5 Triliun

29 Agustus 2009 12:12 WIB

ANTARA
BADUNG--MI: Malaysia kembali melakukan ulah. Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana (GWK), berupa patung Dewa Wisnu yang sedang mengendarai garuda kini ditawar dengan harga Rp1,5 triliun.

Itu diungkapkan Gubernur Bali, Made Mangku Pastika, saat melakukan simakrama (tatap muka) di Wantilan Pura Saka Jajar, Pura Lingga Bhuwana, Pusat Pemerintahan (Puspem), Mengwi, Badung, Sabtu (29/8). "Malaysia beberapa kali sudah melakukan penawaran kepada pengurus pembangunan GWK. Itu baru sayap dan kepalanya saja yang sudah jadi, bagaimana kalau nanti semuanya sudah jadi? Jangan sampai ini milik bangsa lain," jelasnya.

Patung GWK ini merupakan patung terbesar dunia dengan tinggi 75 meter dan lebar 60 meter dan akan mengalahkan patung Liberty. GWK ini merupakan mahakarya dari seniman Bali I Nyoman Nuarta yang berada di daerah Bali Selatan, tepatnya di Bukit Ungasan, Kabupaten Badung. "Jangan sampai karya besar seni ini jatuh ke bangsa lain. Ini harus milik masyarakat Bali. GWK itu merupakan karya besar setelah Borobudur. GWK akan menjadi karya terbesar setelah 1.000 tahun berdirinya Borobudur," ujarnya.

Nah, untuk itu, Pemerintah Provinsi (Pemprov) Bali akan mengeluarkan obligasi (surat utang) yang dapat dibeli oleh masyarakat Bali. Hal ini akan memberikan kontribusi kepada masyarakat Bali untuk lebih memiliki sekaligus mendapatkan bunga bagi yang memberikan obligasi tersebut.

^^ Jangan terlalu asyik mencari kesalahan orang lain.....:ohno:

Terang Bulan
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ehm..wikipedia ya..pake bhs malaysia ya..
kapan2 gw edit deh kalo ada waktu..

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Lagu Kebangsaan Malaysia "Negaraku" diduga dari Indonesia.


Polemik klaim budaya Indonesia oleh Malaysia semakin memanas. Kini giliran perusahaan milik negara yang bergerak dalam usaha dokumentasi, Lokananta Solo membeberkan bukti bahwa lagu kebangsaan milik Negeri Jiran berjudul Negaraku mirip lagu Terang Bulan yang telah mereka produksi pada 1965.


Dugaan pen-jlipakan tersebut semakin diperkuat dengan adanya pita asli Terang Bulan yang masih dipegang pihak Lokananta -Perusahaan Rekaman tertua di Indonesia-.

”Intro dan aransemennya sangat mirip dengan lagu Terang Bulan. Tempo dan bar-nya hanya beda tipis. Sedangkan liriknya diubah sesuai kebutuhan negara Malaysia,” papar Kepala Perum Lokananta Solo, Ruktiningsih kepada wartawan, Jumat (28/8), di kantornya.

Dia menambahkan, dokumen yang tersimpan di Lokananta menunjukkan lagu tersebut telah direkam secara koor pada 1956 di Radio Republik Indonesia (RRI) Jakarta dan dinyanyikan oleh Ensemble Bandung. Selanjutnya, lantaran akan dipergunakan untuk bahan siaran bagi seluruh RRI di Indonesia maka lagu tersebut kemudian diperbanyak pada piringan hitam pada 16 Maret 1965.

”Sesuai dengan undang-undang hak cipta, karena Lokananta yang memproduksi lagu tersebut, maka lagu itu adalah karya cipta milik Indonesia. Sebenarnya kecurigaan ini sudah mengemuka sejak lama,” lanjut Ruktiningsih.
Menurut catatan yang ada pada arsip milik Lokananta, lagu Terang Bulan masuk kategori lagu hiburan dan populer kerakyatan dalam jenis keroncong berdurasi 11 menit 15 detik. Menurut Ruktiningsih, lagu Terang Bulan merupakan lagu-lagu daerah.

”Kami lihat dulu langkah selanjutnya. Apakah Lokananta akan melaporkannya ke pihak kedutaan besar atau pemerintah?” tandas dia.

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Terang Bulan was made by a French, my dear. :lol:

Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terang_Bulan

you see, all these controversial came from people who simply twist the fact.

Terang Bulan was made by a French, my dear. :lol:

Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terang_Bulan

you see, all these controversial came from people who simply twist the fact.

Ehm..Wikipedia juga ya..oke deh ntar yg ini jg gw edit..its so editable :lol:

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ha ha ha....bagus nek....nyindirnya "Dalam Banget" deh....



...kalo kata group Rock "Serious"....Wikipedia juga bikinan manusia...



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Malaysia Mau Beli Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana Rp1,5 Triliun

29 Agustus 2009 12:12 WIB

ANTARA
BADUNG--MI: Malaysia kembali melakukan ulah. Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana (GWK), berupa patung Dewa Wisnu yang sedang mengendarai garuda kini ditawar dengan harga Rp1,5 triliun.

Itu diungkapkan Gubernur Bali, Made Mangku Pastika, saat melakukan simakrama (tatap muka) di Wantilan Pura Saka Jajar, Pura Lingga Bhuwana, Pusat Pemerintahan (Puspem), Mengwi, Badung, Sabtu (29/8). "Malaysia beberapa kali sudah melakukan penawaran kepada pengurus pembangunan GWK. Itu baru sayap dan kepalanya saja yang sudah jadi, bagaimana kalau nanti semuanya sudah jadi? Jangan sampai ini milik bangsa lain," jelasnya.

Patung GWK ini merupakan patung terbesar dunia dengan tinggi 75 meter dan lebar 60 meter dan akan mengalahkan patung Liberty. GWK ini merupakan mahakarya dari seniman Bali I Nyoman Nuarta yang berada di daerah Bali Selatan, tepatnya di Bukit Ungasan, Kabupaten Badung. "Jangan sampai karya besar seni ini jatuh ke bangsa lain. Ini harus milik masyarakat Bali. GWK itu merupakan karya besar setelah Borobudur. GWK akan menjadi karya terbesar setelah 1.000 tahun berdirinya Borobudur," ujarnya.

Nah, untuk itu, Pemerintah Provinsi (Pemprov) Bali akan mengeluarkan obligasi (surat utang) yang dapat dibeli oleh masyarakat Bali. Hal ini akan memberikan kontribusi kepada masyarakat Bali untuk lebih memiliki sekaligus mendapatkan bunga bagi yang memberikan obligasi tersebut.

gue heran deh kenapa pemerintah Malaysia mau beli GWK:nuts:

gue heran deh kenapa pemerintah Malaysia mau beli GWK:nuts:

^^ itu cuma satu FITNAH jahat.


ha ha ha....bagus nek....nyindirnya "Dalam Banget" deh....

...kalo kata group Rock "Serious"....Wikipedia juga bikinan manusia...


i know...no wonder many Malaysian culture in wiki get 'edited' by some....

but it is so interesting when u can't accept FACT. instead, accept FITNAH...

Malaysia Mau Beli Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana Rp1,5 Triliun

29 Agustus 2009 12:12 WIB

ANTARA
BADUNG--MI: Malaysia kembali melakukan ulah. Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana (GWK), berupa patung Dewa Wisnu yang sedang mengendarai garuda kini ditawar dengan harga Rp1,5 triliun.

Itu diungkapkan Gubernur Bali, Made Mangku Pastika, saat melakukan simakrama (tatap muka) di Wantilan Pura Saka Jajar, Pura Lingga Bhuwana, Pusat Pemerintahan (Puspem), Mengwi, Badung, Sabtu (29/8). "Malaysia beberapa kali sudah melakukan penawaran kepada pengurus pembangunan GWK. Itu baru sayap dan kepalanya saja yang sudah jadi, bagaimana kalau nanti semuanya sudah jadi? Jangan sampai ini milik bangsa lain," jelasnya.

Patung GWK ini merupakan patung terbesar dunia dengan tinggi 75 meter dan lebar 60 meter dan akan mengalahkan patung Liberty. GWK ini merupakan mahakarya dari seniman Bali I Nyoman Nuarta yang berada di daerah Bali Selatan, tepatnya di Bukit Ungasan, Kabupaten Badung. "Jangan sampai karya besar seni ini jatuh ke bangsa lain. Ini harus milik masyarakat Bali. GWK itu merupakan karya besar setelah Borobudur. GWK akan menjadi karya terbesar setelah 1.000 tahun berdirinya Borobudur," ujarnya.

Nah, untuk itu, Pemerintah Provinsi (Pemprov) Bali akan mengeluarkan obligasi (surat utang) yang dapat dibeli oleh masyarakat Bali. Hal ini akan memberikan kontribusi kepada masyarakat Bali untuk lebih memiliki sekaligus mendapatkan bunga bagi yang memberikan obligasi tersebut.

astaga..... bener-bener ya... miskin budaya bener si malaysia

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ha ha ha....bagus nek....nyindirnya "Dalam Banget" deh....



...kalo kata group Rock "Serious"....Wikipedia juga bikinan manusia...



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mau yg lebih telak lagi Mas Gan?
itu Wikipedia kan reference nya kan dari negaranya sendiri hahaha..jadi info yg ada di wiki tsb ya sebatas pengetahuan mereka..
bagi mereka is a FACT, bagi gw its a JOKE

Terdapat perbedaan antara Indonesia dan Malaysia.
Di Indonesia org jawa berbicara menggunakan bhs Jawa dan bhs Indonesia Bukan bhs Melayu. Pengertian bhs melayu/malay di Indonesia adlh bhs yg digunakan oleh suku melayu. Org jawa jelas berbeda dgn org melayu karna memiliki bahasa sendiri, budaya sndiri, adat istiadat sendiri,dll. Org melayu tdk akan paham bhs jawa sblum mempelajarinya terlebih dahulu. Jd krg tepat kalau menyebut org Jawa adlh org Melayu.....

Terang Bulan was made by a French, my dear. :lol:

Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terang_Bulan

you see, all these controversial came from people who simply twist the fact.


Mau dari Prancis atau dari Indonesia, sudah jelas kan anda sendiri mengakui klo Lagu Kebangsaan Malaysia adalah jiplakan.

Sangat memprihatinkan, ternyata memang bangsa anda sudah mentalnya dari dulu sangat miskin daya kreatifitas dan memang bangsa penjiplak....bahkan sekelas Lagu Kebangsaan....sangat2 memalukan.


Bagi yang simpati dengan Tari Pendet.....mari kita boikot produk EXCELKOMINDO karena dia milik Malaysia ......atau uang kita akan kesedot ke Malaysia dengan sia-sia.

from wikepedia:

"Negaraku" (English: My Country) is the national anthem of Malaysia. "Negaraku" was selected as a national anthem at the time of the Federation of Malaya's independence from Britain in 1957. The tune was originally used as the state anthem of Perak[1], which was adopted from a popular French melody composed by the lyricist Pierre-Jean de Béranger.

history:

At the time of independence, each of the eleven States of Malaya that made up the Federation had their own anthem, but there was no anthem for the Federation as a whole. Tunku Abdul Rahman, at the time the Chief Minister and Minister for Home Affairs, organized and presided over a committee for the purpose of choosing a suitable national anthem. On his suggestion, a worldwide competition was launched. 514 entries were received from all over the world including a special submission from recording artist Is'real Benton. None were deemed suitable.

Next the committee decided to invite selected composers of international repute to submit compositions for consideration. The composers chosen were Benjamin Britten, Sir William Walton who had recently composed the march for Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, the American opera composer Gian Carlo Menotti and Zubir Said, who later composed Majulah Singapura, the anthem of Singapore. They were all turned down too.

The Committee then turned to the Perak State Anthem. On August 5 1957 it was selected on account of the "traditional flavour" of its melody. New lyrics for the National Anthem were written jointly by the Panel of Judges— with the Tunku himself playing the leading role.

At the time this melody was, while still the State Anthem of Perak, Allah Lanjutkan Usia Sultan.

The song had been very popular on the island of Mahé in the Seychelles. where the Sultan of Perak had formerly been living in exile. He heard it at a public band concert on the island, a song to a popular French melody, originally composed by the lyricist Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857), who was born and died in Paris. When Sultan Idris Murshidul’adzam Shah who was the Ruler of the State of Perak from 1887 to 1916 represented the Malay Rulers of the Federated Malay States at the installation ceremony of King Eward VII in 1901, his protocol officer was asked what his state anthem was. Realizing that his state did not in fact possess an anthem, he, in order not to appear backward in front of his hosts, proceeded to hum the aforementioned tune. Thus was an anthem born.

The song was later introduced into an Indonesian Bangsawan (Opera), which was performing in Singapore around 1940. In no time at all, the melody became extremely popular and was given the name Terang Bulan.Aside from what are u talking about its dignity and prestige as the Perak State Anthem, the song became a Malayan "evergreen", playing at parties, in cabarets and sung by almost everybody in the 1920s and 1930s. (Today, of course, since independence, it is not played as a popular melody, and any such use is proscribed by statute.)

The anthem was given a new quick march beat in 1992, which proved unpopular. Some Malaysians have gone as far as to say that the altered tempo resembled circus music, and was the subject of much derision. In July, 2003 it was reported in the Malaysian press that the anthem would be rearranged for the second time after that and the title and lyric would be changed from Negaraku to Malaysiaku. There was a public outcry of dismay and the change of name was scrapped, but the anthem was re-arranged and returned to the pre-1992 pace by composer Wah Idris.

clearly now..terang bulan was inspired from the song and lyric produce by Pierre-Jean de Béranger a Frenchman. Malaysia never hide the history...we know our Negaraku song is based from the melody of Pierre-Jean de Béranger. France government no problem with this and they never said we have claim this song. why u guys need to argue this matter? this song is not belong to yours...please learn the history first....

sekiranya anda tidak memepercayai sumber dari wikepedia ini..sila berikan fakta dan bukti the originality of terang bulan song

when u said something about fact bring the evidence....

this is other reference..http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Negaraku.htm

this one u cannot edit..^^

from wikepedia:

"Negaraku" (English: My Country) is the national anthem of Malaysia. "Negaraku" was selected as a national anthem at the time of the Federation of Malaya's independence from Britain in 1957. The tune was originally used as the state anthem of Perak[1], which was adopted from a popular French melody composed by the lyricist Pierre-Jean de Béranger.

history:

At the time of independence, each of the eleven States of Malaya that made up the Federation had their own anthem, but there was no anthem for the Federation as a whole. Tunku Abdul Rahman, at the time the Chief Minister and Minister for Home Affairs, organized and presided over a committee for the purpose of choosing a suitable national anthem. On his suggestion, a worldwide competition was launched. 514 entries were received from all over the world including a special submission from recording artist Is'real Benton. None were deemed suitable.

Next the committee decided to invite selected composers of international repute to submit compositions for consideration. The composers chosen were Benjamin Britten, Sir William Walton who had recently composed the march for Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, the American opera composer Gian Carlo Menotti and Zubir Said, who later composed Majulah Singapura, the anthem of Singapore. They were all turned down too.

The Committee then turned to the Perak State Anthem. On August 5 1957 it was selected on account of the "traditional flavour" of its melody. New lyrics for the National Anthem were written jointly by the Panel of Judges— with the Tunku himself playing the leading role.

At the time this melody was, while still the State Anthem of Perak, Allah Lanjutkan Usia Sultan.

The song had been very popular on the island of Mahé in the Seychelles. where the Sultan of Perak had formerly been living in exile. He heard it at a public band concert on the island, a song to a popular French melody, originally composed by the lyricist Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857), who was born and died in Paris. When Sultan Idris Murshidul’adzam Shah who was the Ruler of the State of Perak from 1887 to 1916 represented the Malay Rulers of the Federated Malay States at the installation ceremony of King Eward VII in 1901, his protocol officer was asked what his state anthem was. Realizing that his state did not in fact possess an anthem, he, in order not to appear backward in front of his hosts, proceeded to hum the aforementioned tune. Thus was an anthem born.

The song was later introduced into an Indonesian Bangsawan (Opera), which was performing in Singapore around 1940. In no time at all, the melody became extremely popular and was given the name Terang Bulan.Aside from what are u talking about its dignity and prestige as the Perak State Anthem, the song became a Malayan "evergreen", playing at parties, in cabarets and sung by almost everybody in the 1920s and 1930s. (Today, of course, since independence, it is not played as a popular melody, and any such use is proscribed by statute.)

The anthem was given a new quick march beat in 1992, which proved unpopular. Some Malaysians have gone as far as to say that the altered tempo resembled circus music, and was the subject of much derision. In July, 2003 it was reported in the Malaysian press that the anthem would be rearranged for the second time after that and the title and lyric would be changed from Negaraku to Malaysiaku. There was a public outcry of dismay and the change of name was scrapped, but the anthem was re-arranged and returned to the pre-1992 pace by composer Wah Idris.

clearly now..terang bulan was inspired from the song and lyric produce by Pierre-Jean de Béranger a Frenchman. Malaysia never hide the history...we know our Negaraku song is based from the melody of Pierre-Jean de Béranger. France government no problem with this and they never said we have claim this song. why u guys need to argue this matter? this song is not belong to yours...please learn the history first....

sekiranya anda tidak memepercayai sumber dari wikepedia ini..sila berikan fakta dan bukti the originality of terang bulan song

when u said something about fact bring the evidence....

this is other reference..http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Negaraku.htm

this one u cannot edit..^^

Diharap teman-teman sekalian dapat mencari sumber yang boleh dipercayai terlebih dahulu sebelum mempercayai bulat-bulat dan menuding jari ke sesebuah negara. Jangan melihat pada koran atau media massa kalian yang lain sahaja. cari sumber diluar juga.

bangsa yang maju datangnya dari intelek yang maju dan punya budi pekerti. :) :) :)

^^hahaha..Wikipedia lagi wikipedia lagi..capek deh..
baca sekali lagi dong bagian bawah situs economicexpert itu..
THIS ARTICLE IS FROM WIKIPEDIA LICENCED..
aduh dasar klonengan, join date aug 2009

why not give ur evidence the originality of terang bulan..at least i give evidence but yous?..where is the evidence...? it up to u to believe wikipedia or not....

once again bring the evidence..anyone?

before u argue my fact please show ur fact first...until now im still waiting.....

before u argue my fact please show ur fact first...until now im still waiting.....


Nunggu ya mas?

before u argue my fact please show ur fact first...until now im still waiting.....

fake fact, that article is coming from wikipedia with bad reference..
no arguing anymore..
you trust your controlable media, and we deserve to trust our smart media..
thanks for waiting my evidence, but it will never be disclosed for free
:)

fake fact, that article is coming from wikipedia with bad reference..
no arguing anymore..
you trust your controlable media, and we deserve to trust our smart media..
thanks for waiting my evidence, but it will never be disclosed for free
:)

:ohno:

fake fact, that article is coming from wikipedia with bad reference..
no arguing anymore..
you trust your controlable media, and we deserve to trust our smart media..
thanks for waiting my evidence, but it will never be disclosed for free
:)


:okay:




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Bagaimana jika menyebut Malaysia Trully Indonesia....karna smua budaya yg ada di Malay ada semua di Indo. Budaya Melayu, Budaya Cina, Budaya India, Budaya Dayak ada semua di Indonesia. Wayang, Angklung, Bunga Rafflesia Arnoldi, Reog, Lagu Rasa Sayange, dll semua ada di Indonesia. Semua Budaya yg ada di Malaysia ada Semua Di Indonesia :lol:

Udahlah...Malaysia jadi bagian dr provinsi di Indonesia...mau gak?
Kan kalian ngefans sm Indonesia,,.,..smpe kebudayaan aja dicuri

Malaysia bilang Indonesia miskin...
so?Miskin juga gak membuat kalian rugi...
Tapi Indonesia bilang Malaysia miskin kebudayaan...
Dan ini jelas membuat Indonesia rugi...

I'm really tired of going to forums where ppl argue over this Malaysia V Indonesia thing...can we all just get along???

^^ hahaha, me too.

Nenek genit, Lanjutkan! G suka cara u nyindir mereka tentang Wikipedia.... :okay: :lol:

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0/08/2009 - 15:02
Waduh! Anak Muda Malaysia 'Buta Seks'

INILAH.COM, Kuala Lumpur - Meski pendidikan di Malaysia tergolong maju, namun tidak demikian dengan pendidikan seks. Separuh anak muda di Negeri Jiran itu bahkan tidak tahu apa saja organ reproduksi dan tidak tahu bagaimana bayi bisa dilahirkan!

Tak disangka, tapi itulah hasil survei Lembaga Penduduk dan Pembangunan Keluarga Negara (LPPKN) Malaysia. Mereka menemukan dua dari lima anak muda Malaysia tidak tahu bagaimana janin berkembang. Sebagian besar dari responden juga tidak tahu organ reproduksi lelaki dan perempuan.

Survei yang dilakukan terhadap 1.700 responden berusia 13 hingga 24 tahun itu pun menunjukkan bagaimana anak muda Malaysia 'buta' akan hal-hal mendasar soal seks dan kesehatan reproduksi. Anak muda yang disurvei berasal dari berbagai kalangan, mulai dari yang tinggal di kawasan kota hingga desa di seantero Malaysia.

"Inilah saat untuk menyikapi kurangnya pengetahuan dan kesadaran tentang seks," kata Direktur Jenderal LPPKN Datuk Aminah Abdul Rahman seperti diberitakan New Straits Times, Minggu (30/8)

Survei yang digelar LPPKN setiap 10 tahun ini juga menguji pengetahuan anak muda Malaysia tentang HIV/AIDS, penyakit seksual menular, dan alat kontrasepsi. Hasilnya, anak muda berusia 20 hingga 24 tahun justru minim pengetahuan seks jika dibandingkan dengan ABG berusia 15-19 tahun.

"Kita tidak bisa seperti seekor burung unta yang menyembunyikan kepalanya, menyangkal masalah itu sepanjang waktu," tandas Datuk Aminah.

Hal senada juga ditegaskan oleh Profesor Low Wah Yun dari Universiti Malaya. Menurut Low, sudah waktunya untuk bertindak cepat mengatasi kurangnya kesadaran anak muda Malaysia akan pengetahuan soal seks.

Pada tahun 2006, dalam suatu penelitian serupa terdapat 25 persen anak muda yang menyatakan seorang perempuan bisa hamil hanya dengan berbagi ranjang dengan seorang lelaki. Sementara itu, 13 persen responden mengaku tidak yakin bahwa seorang perempuan bisa hamil dengan tidur berdampingan dengan lelaki. Saat ditanya apakah perempuan bisa hamil saat pertama kali berhubungan seks, lebih dari 10 persen responden menyebut 'tidak' dan 3 persen menyatakan tidak tahu. Waduh!

banner hari ini gak banget huh . . ! ! :drool: :drool: :drool:

Udahlah...Malaysia jadi bagian dr provinsi di Indonesia...mau gak?
Kan kalian ngefans sm Indonesia,,.,..smpe kebudayaan aja dicuri

Malaysia bilang Indonesia miskin...
so?Miskin juga gak membuat kalian rugi...
Tapi Indonesia bilang Malaysia miskin kebudayaan...
Dan ini jelas membuat Indonesia rugi...

^^you know... yang jelas2 paling untung dari pertikaian apa saja ttg ID vs MY adalah MEDIA! :lol:

fake fact, that article is coming from wikipedia with bad reference..
no arguing anymore..
you trust your controlable media, and we deserve to trust our smart media..
thanks for waiting my evidence, but it will never be disclosed for free
:)

wikepedia is not fake..it is one of the best reference until now...they have qualification...u cannot edit the fact anytime u want without trust reference...
now why not u try to edit the article?...see if u can edit it and how long it will be there....

most of ur media never report the truth about tarian pendet issue..i think until now most of indonesian never know the truth behind the issue because ur media hide it...after discovery channel already apologize to indonesian government and malaysia government because the mistake make from them...ur media still play this issue...that is what u call smart media?..that is stupid media...no responsibility....ur media like to see malaysian fight indonesian..for them good relationship between malaysia and indonesia is not good for their marketing...and ur people is easy provoke by media...

why don't u find other sauce rather than believe only one side? ask ur self?...

^^you know... yang jelas2 paling untung dari pertikaian apa saja ttg ID vs MY adalah MEDIA! :lol:

ya...seems like they make a lot of money from this issue...^^

wikepedia is not fake..it is one of the best reference until now...they have qualification...u cannot edit the fact anytime u want without trust reference...
now why not u try to edit the article?...see if u can edit it and how long it will be there....

most of ur media never report the truth about tarian pendet issue..i think until now most of indonesian never know the truth behind the issue because ur media hide it...after discovery channel already apologize to indonesian government and malaysia government because the mistake make from them...ur media still play this issue...that is what u call smart media?..that is stupid media...no responsibility....ur media like to see malaysian fight indonesian..for them good relationship between malaysia and indonesia is not good for their marketing...and ur people is easy provoke by media...

why don't u find other sauce rather than believe only one side? ask ur self?...


yeah yeah....up to you wikiman..
now you sit, stay, fetch, roll over, shake...good..this Pedigr*e is free for you...
now catch this frisbee to your house (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=164)

kamu ingt orng jawa, bugis, minang, bengkahulu hanya ad di indonesia saja?

kamu fikir hanya orng jawa, minang, bugis, bengkahulu atau apa saja bangsa melayu yng ada di indonesia sahaja yg boleh mengmalkn budaya tersebut?

bukan lagi Bengkahulu ncik.. disini tak faham nama tu.. disini namanya Bengkulu..aduh main ganti nama aja ncik ni.. Ooo jadi dahulu masyarakat Bengkulu juga byk hijrah ke Malaysia ya..sampai-sampai mereka membawa bibit Bunga Raflesia segala.. terus dengan riang gembira ditanamnya pula disana..akhirnya-pun menjadi bahagian dari bunga khas Malaysia.. hemm boleh..boleh.. :lol: Well Raflesia disana ada yang bewarna seperti ini juga tak :D

Bunga Raflesia Arnoldi
Habitat utama: Hutan di Kabupaten Bengkulu Tengah, Kepahiang dan Bengkulu Utara

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2009/haseltiibengkulu.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/i/haseltiibengkulu.jpg/)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8462/hasseltii2.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/hasseltii2.jpg/)

August 28, 2009
Desi Anwar: Pendet Furor Shows We Are Culturally Challenged

Ikno you don’t hav a good culture as Indonesia, malay! but please, can you just stop stealing what Indonesia hav for once?” goes a Twitter message referring to the case of Malaysia’s ad on the Discovery Channel featuring the Balinese pendet dance.

“Pendet is Made in Bali, Indonesia okay?? Please Malaysia, Don’t STEAL again Indonesia Culture!!” goes another equally irate Twitter message.

The above examples are some of the more polite verbal thrusts in a deluge of attacks on Malaysia (also referred to as “Malingsia,” with “maling” meaning “thief”).

So much for peace and self-restraint during the fasting month. If any of those Twitterers were fasting in this holy month of Ramadan, the amount of unholy bad-mouthing and animosity would undoubtedly invalidate their fast!

Granted that most of these online messages are verbal nonsense coming from a bunch of unruly and most likely young mobile texters trying to outdo each other in online spitefulness. However, when a respected national university in Semarang, Central Java, decided to join the chorus of jingoism by no longer accepting Malaysian students in the name of the country’s pride, then there really is a thin line between nationalism and plain knee-jerk stupidity.

There are plenty of long-running issues and lots of deep-seated rancor between Indonesia and Malaysia, whether it’s about migrant workers, border issues, Manohara, stolen culture or some other sibling rivalry grievance, but some common human decencies should still be upheld. Name-calling and mudslinging might satisfy the ego but hardly elevate one’s standing or make us the better person.

On the contrary, it merely highlights our insecurity, ignorance and small-mindedness.

It is unfortunate that advances in technology have facilitated not only the rapid spread of information and the democratization of the media, but also the dissemination of pettiness, prejudices and stupidities with the speed of a viral infection. Suddenly everybody has an opinion on everything and every tiny slight is a national insult.

It’s great when this rallying cry can be put to positive use, such as in the incident in Canada where a boy was harassed by bullies for wearing pink on the first day at school. A couple of his male school friends who felt the need to do something about it went online to spread the word and very soon hundreds of schoolchildren went to school wearing pink.

Not only did it effectively put an end to the bullying but it showed the power that online activism can have and also, in this case, highlighted the fine sensibilities those young Canadians have.

They could have easily verbally abused the bullies or, most likely for people of their age, joined in the online harassment of the pink-wearing boy. Instead, they all embraced the cause and sported pink T-shirts to school. Their action inspired the whole country.

In the case of the pendet dance (to which everybody has suddenly become attached, pinning their identity on it as if their life and honor were at stake), instead of berating Malaysia for stealing our culture, we should thank our neighbor for reminding us to appreciate our cultural riches.

Rather than keeping Malaysian students out, we should be inviting them in droves to show them how batik clothes are made. Teach them how wayang puppets are played, and we should even teach them the pendet dance.

But we don’t. Because we ourselves don’t teach our children about our culture or show appreciation for it. I don’t know of any national school curriculum that teaches children about the myriad of different musical instruments this archipelago has, the different cultural dances, the folklore, the mythology, the variety of indigenous tribes, their local wisdom and the origins of our own language.

I have never seen schoolchildren take gamelan lessons, learn how to carve a leather puppet or be encouraged to appreciate the richness of their traditions and culture. I have read of a religion teacher who held a hot match against her pupil’s cheek to teach her how hot hell is, but I rarely hear of a teacher who inspires in her student a love for the gracefulness of the jaipong dance or the sound of angklung. Instead, we treat our culture and traditions as perfunctory symbols invoked on Independence Day or commodities to be dusted off, laid out and sold as souvenirs to entice tourists.

I’m sure most Indonesians still know very little about the pendet dance, let alone learning the moves. It is only when other people actually show an interest that we start making a song and dance out of it.

Desi Anwar is an anchor and writer . She can be reached at www.desianwar.com and www.dailyavocado.net .

bukan lagi Bengkahulu ncik.. disini tak faham nama tu.. disini namanya Bengkulu..aduh main ganti nama aja ncik ni.. Ooo jadi dahulu masyarakat Bengkulu juga byk hijrah ke Malaysia ya..sampai-sampai mereka membawa bibit Bunga Raflesia segala.. terus dengan riang gembira ditanamnya pula disana..akhirnya-pun menjadi bahagian dari bunga khas Malaysia.. hemm boleh..boleh.. :lol: Well Raflesia disana ada yang bewarna seperti ini juga tak :D

Memang ada. Di negeri Perak (di daerah Hulu Perak dekat dengan Thailand) dan di Sarawak, Borneo memang telah ada bunga Raflesia sejak sekian lama. Tak mungkin ia dibawa oleh orang2 Bengkulu:).
Boleh datang ke negeri saya melihat bunga ini :)

not interested to make any debate here...just inform what I know
salam ya...ncik Balaputradewa :)

^^you know... yang jelas2 paling untung dari pertikaian apa saja ttg ID vs MY adalah MEDIA! :lol:


Totally agree...:)

(Mungkin ini sebab media2 di Malaysia kurang laris jualannya :lol:

Malaysia Claimed Tari Pendet — A Big Misunderstanding?
source: kazasou.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/malaysia-claimed-tari-pendet-a-big-misunderstanding

We already know that the news that has been out there is that Malaysia is claiming Tari Pendet to be one of Malaysian heritage. However, we are not provided with much detail of who specifically is claiming one of Indonesian heritage as one of theirs or their specific comment that stated that they are claiming Tari Pendet to be one of theirs.

So, my curiosity led me to a search of how it actually happened. After searching in some popular online news that I think is credible, it turns out that it is just a big misundertanding. The thing is that the suspect that is stating that Tari Pendet belongs to Malaysia was never presented. All there was just a minute of tourism commercial from some institute that shows a clip of Tari Pendet in a part of that commercial.

It turned out that Indonesians suspected that Malaysia is being hostile by robbing what is not theirs. The truth is that the Malaysian government was never involved in this and being mature as they can be, they will clarify this situation as soon as possible. Okay, momentary setback here. So all the time we’ve been claiming that Malaysians is a Tari Pendet thief, is a doing of a private comercial institute who show their commercial with a clip of Tari Pendet on it?

Rather ridiculous isn’t it? There were no statement implying that tari pendet is being claimed by Malaysia. All there was is just a clip who then prejudicially interpreted as Malaysia stealing Indonesia heritage. I thought every country has the right to practice other country’s heritage and that is what Malaysia is doing. I think we have to rethink what the media is feeding us because honestly, Indonesian mass media has the tendency to stir up mass panic in order to get their ratings high.

yeah yeah....up to you wikiman..
now you sit, stay, fetch, roll over, shake...good..this Pedigr*e is free for you...
now catch this frisbee to your house (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=164)

look like u don't have any point anymore..:)

I suggest all Malaysian forumers to leave this thread and stop all the arguments... the hatred towards Malaysia here is insane... Despite how you give proper and intellectual explanations to this saga, it won't pierce thru' the hardest blind patriotism. It's their right to believe what they want to believe and it's our right to believe what's ours. Let's just move on with what we believe and safeguard them.

Despite all these drama caused by some "trusted" smart media, the world still relate these cultural heritage to Malaysia, whether or not some call us the cultural thief. The success in showcasing what's Malaysia's to the world will offset the ill-feelings you get from a neighbour's disgruntlement.

That said, I'm surprised this thread can last so long despite all the hatred and name-callings spewed out here. We should all stop feeding soap opera.

ok..salam kembali tuk ncik Silverian. Terkhusus untuk teman2 forumer Malaysia disini..Balaputradewa mengucapkan Selamat Hari Kemerdekaan Malaysia ya..semoga Malaysia tambah jaya dan gemilang.. :okay:

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Indonesian, Australian air forces to conduct joint exercise
Monday, August 31, 2009 01:04 WIB | National

Kupang, E Nusa Tenggara (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian and Australian air forces will conduct a week-long joint exercise code-named Elang Aus-Indo in Darwin starting on Monday (August 31), a spokesman said.

The joint exercise would involve the two air forces` jet fighters, spokesman for the El Tari air base in Kupang 1st Lt. Dedy said on Sunday.

The Indonesian air force would send at least 87 of its personnel and four F16 jet fighters and two Hercules planes to the activity, he said.

On Sunday, some of the planes landed at the El Tari air base as a home base during the joint exercise, he said.

"Admittedly, the joint exercise will take place in Darwin. But the El Tari air base will serve as a home base for the Indonesian Air Force personnel and fleet," he said.

Dedy said assistant for operations to the Air Force Chief of Staff Rear Marshal Pandji Utama would be the field commander of the Indonesian side in the joint exercise.

The joint exercise was part of the two air forces` routine agenda aimed at enhancing cooperation and preserving harmonious relations between the two neighboring states, he said.

In addition, it was also aimed at improving Indonesian airmen`s knowledge of their tasks to keep the Indonesian territory intact, and detect any threat to the country`s sovereignty, he said.

"As airmen, they must improve their capacity and skill to anticipate any threat to the country," he said.(*)

Malaysia Mau Beli Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana Rp1,5 Triliun


BADUNG--MI: Malaysia kembali melakukan ulah. Patung Garuda Wisnu Kencana (GWK), berupa patung Dewa Wisnu yang sedang mengendarai garuda kini ditawar dengan harga Rp1,5 triliun.

Itu diungkapkan Gubernur Bali, Made Mangku Pastika, saat melakukan simakrama (tatap muka) di Wantilan Pura Saka Jajar, Pura Lingga Bhuwana, Pusat Pemerintahan (Puspem), Mengwi, Badung, Sabtu (29/8). "Malaysia beberapa kali sudah melakukan penawaran kepada pengurus pembangunan GWK. Itu baru sayap dan kepalanya saja yang sudah jadi, bagaimana kalau nanti semuanya sudah jadi? Jangan sampai ini milik bangsa lain," jelasnya.

Patung GWK ini merupakan patung terbesar dunia dengan tinggi 75 meter dan lebar 60 meter dan akan mengalahkan patung Liberty. GWK ini merupakan mahakarya dari seniman Bali I Nyoman Nuarta yang berada di daerah Bali Selatan, tepatnya di Bukit Ungasan, Kabupaten Badung. "Jangan sampai karya besar seni ini jatuh ke bangsa lain. Ini harus milik masyarakat Bali. GWK itu merupakan karya besar setelah Borobudur. GWK akan menjadi karya terbesar setelah 1.000 tahun berdirinya Borobudur," ujarnya.

Nah, untuk itu, Pemerintah Provinsi (Pemprov) Bali akan mengeluarkan obligasi (surat utang) yang dapat dibeli oleh masyarakat Bali. Hal ini akan memberikan kontribusi kepada masyarakat Bali untuk lebih memiliki sekaligus mendapatkan bunga bagi yang memberikan obligasi tersebut.

Pemprov Bali juga berencana untuk menggelar pembukaan konferensi di GWK, seperti konser, pameran kesenian, dan festival skala nasional atau internasional, sehingga dapat memberikan pendanaan bagi pembangunan Bali ke depan. (OL/OL-04)

Sumber: Media Indonesia

berita ini kandungannya bisa bikin panas..provoke.

'malaysia' yang dimaksudkan itu merujuk kepada kerajaan malaysia kah?..ato sebuah perusahaan dari malaysia?..ato sebuah resot yang mahu bikin dekorasi ala bali?.
harus jelas.

juga tidak di jelaskan tujuan 'malaysia' mau beli patung itu.atau hanya sekadar barang hiasan?...

kalau takut sangat...jangan benarkan orang malaysia datang dan beli barang dari bali walaupun key chain. :)
dulu sy pernah berkunjung ke bali memang banyak kraftangan di jual disana dan mana-mana turis bisa membelinya.

look like u don't have any point anymore..:)

i've told you..no arguing wikiboy anymore...pointless..find another good reference..

here your frisbee...catch...
http://dreamdogsonline.com/images/dog_frisbee.jpg

good... :)

Indonesian, Australian air forces to conduct joint exercise
Monday, August 31, 2009 01:04 WIB | National

Kupang, E Nusa Tenggara (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian and Australian air forces will conduct a week-long joint exercise code-named Elang Aus-Indo in Darwin starting on Monday (August 31), a spokesman said.

The joint exercise would involve the two air forces` jet fighters, spokesman for the El Tari air base in Kupang 1st Lt. Dedy said on Sunday.

The Indonesian air force would send at least 87 of its personnel and four F16 jet fighters and two Hercules planes to the activity, he said.

On Sunday, some of the planes landed at the El Tari air base as a home base during the joint exercise, he said.

"Admittedly, the joint exercise will take place in Darwin. But the El Tari air base will serve as a home base for the Indonesian Air Force personnel and fleet," he said.

Dedy said assistant for operations to the Air Force Chief of Staff Rear Marshal Pandji Utama would be the field commander of the Indonesian side in the joint exercise.

The joint exercise was part of the two air forces` routine agenda aimed at enhancing cooperation and preserving harmonious relations between the two neighboring states, he said.

In addition, it was also aimed at improving Indonesian airmen`s knowledge of their tasks to keep the Indonesian territory intact, and detect any threat to the country`s sovereignty, he said.

"As airmen, they must improve their capacity and skill to anticipate any threat to the country," he said.(*)

Should be in Military Thread deh..
wrong space to post.

^^
also relevant in here lah... because talking about relations with neighbours. then again, it is also relevant to be posted in the foreign policy thread...

Well... base on Malaysia Reasoning: "Because the Javanese, Bugis, Chinese, Indians, etc immigrate to Malaysia, then Malaysia could advertise their traditional culture as Malaysian heritage"

Then I should also suggest United States advertise all of the world traditional culture, ranging from japanese Kabuki, Chinese Peking Opera, Indian Ramayana Dance, Hungarian folk dances, British Victorian Clothes, and everything else as "American Heritage" in their tourism advertisment because United States has immigrants virtually from all over the world under the justification: "Tak bolehkah mereka mengamalkan budaya mereka?"

Funny I could only see "Indian Indigineous", "Cowboy", and Western Contemporary culture being promoted in their advertisement without the traditional culture of their immigrants.

Even Taiwan only promote their Aboriginal people's culture and contemporary Chinese culture in their tourism advertisment without any single traditional chinese "Peking Opera" shown despite they are overwhelmingly chinese.

:ohno: You should differentiate the traditional culture from contemporary culture.

Well... base on Malaysia Reasoning: "Because the Javanese, Bugis, Chinese, Indians, etc immigrate to Malaysia, then Malaysia could advertise their traditional culture as Malaysian heritage"



Balinese ada ngga , nok ?

Klo orang jawa, bugis, or minang melayu berafiliasi ke Mas, gw masih percaya deh.

Tapi klo orang Malaysia menganggap ada yg keturunan Bali trus menganggap tari Pendet sebagai budayanya....ini yg namanya mengada-ngada konyol norak.




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Timor Leste readies for modest 10th anniversary
The Jakarta Post | Sun, 08/30/2009 11:47 AM | Current Issues

On Saturday, Dili’s main streets and spotless government office complexes overlooking the touristy Dili beach were awash with colorful flags and banners. Cars roamed the streets with small fluttering Timor Leste flags.

It was business as usual for most Dili residents as the young democracy prepared for celebrations of its 10th Independence Day anniversary on Sunday. Unlike in previous years, no street demonstrations were seen throughout the day.

Portuguese President Cavaco Silva and Portuguese Parliamentary Speaker Jaime Gama will be the only foreign dignitaries to attend the party, which will feature cultural shows from the country’s 13 districts. Among the most anticipated is a concert by Indonesian pop diva Krisdayanti, on Sunday.

Timor Leste President José Ramos Horta told a press conference that in fact some heads of state and government would have come if Timor Leste had had world class accomodation.

“Many heads of state and governments attended the 2002 celebrations thanks to a number of floating hotels with adequate facilities providing them with confortable places to stay. Now, the floating hotels have gone, they couldn’t make it,” he said.

This year, Timor Leste’s Independence Day celebrations have been enlivened with interntional conferences on human rights and development.

People in the streets said they saw nothing very special about the 10th anniversary of their country, which used to be Indonesia’s 27th province. They expressed hopes that the then President Xanana Gusmao, who ruled the country before Horta, had developed poor areas outside the capital.

Laurindo Fernandes, a resident of Manufahi district, said that in far-flung rural areas, basic commodities, especially foods, were barely affordable for most people.


A mother and daughter shop at Mercado traditional market. Timor Leste relies heavily on Indonesia for its basic commodities. JP/Pandaya

“Prices fluctuate because the market is fully controlled by traders with practically no government intervention,” Fernandes told The Jakarta Post.

“A 35-kilogram sack of rice, which has a normal price tag of US$12, can soar to $15 any time.”

According to the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Timor-Leste has seen no significant improvement since it became independent from Indonesia and that more than 40 percent of its 1.1 million population live below the official poverty line of 55 US cents a day. In 2008, Timor-Leste’s annual percapita income was $440.

Fernandes said development was concentrated mainly in Dili.

In most districts, public services were hard to come by, he said. Electricity, for example, is available only three days a week, usually from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m..

“The rest of the time, it’s a blackout,” he said. “During these times, housewives complain about rotting vegetables and their children not being able to study properly in the evenings.”

In Dili, residents enjoy uninterrupted electricity 24-hours-a-day.

Residents also complain of poor infrastructure, especially roads connecting the 13 districts with Dili.
Maria Mendez from the western town of Liquisa said citizens like her were yet to enjoy the fruits of independence.

“Prices are way too high for most people, while public services, such as health and education, are still poor. I hope the government pays better attention to the welfare of mothers and children,” she said.

— Yemris Fointuna

Look, everybody has the right to practice their original cultures. Indonesians have nothing against you for practising your ancestor's culture. But the main cause of this outrage is that THE LACK OF REFERENCING by the Malaysian govt.





As for reog, tari pendet and rasa sayange song, they are native to Indonesia, not Malaysia. Even though there are a considerable amount of people practising these cultures in Malaysia, the Malay government must give recognition that these cultures DO COME FROM INDONESIA. (or at least consult with the Indonesian culture ministry first).
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mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist.... these cultural references are therefore should be the properties of the etnic group that practise it. so as some javanese,bugis,minang and etc does live here in malaysia, so much so as yours this heritage does belong to them as well.

and we never said its is kebudayaan malaysia, we always said kebudayaan yang terdapat di malaysia.contohnyer tarian kuda kepang yand ditarikan oleh masyarakat jawa, yang banyak terdapat di johor

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist.... these cultural references are therefore should be the properties of the etnic group that practise it. so as some javanese,bugis,minang and etc does live here in malaysia, so much so as yours this heritage does belong to them as well.

and we never said its is kebudayaan malaysia, we always said kebudayaan yang terdapat di malaysia.contohnyer tarian kuda kepang yand ditarikan oleh masyarakat jawa, yang banyak terdapat di johor

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???


And mind you we are living in 2009 not in 70 years ago, you know what? I am sick with all your excuses,,, LICIK,,,,,

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist.... these cultural references are therefore should be the properties of the etnic group that practise it. so as some javanese,bugis,minang and etc does live here in malaysia, so much so as yours this heritage does belong to them as well.

and we never said its is kebudayaan malaysia, we always said kebudayaan yang terdapat di malaysia.contohnyer tarian kuda kepang yand ditarikan oleh masyarakat jawa, yang banyak terdapat di johor

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

I am not here to defend INdonesia but cant stop commenting on your strong statement. History should not be ignored. Stating that 70 years ago, there was no Indonesia is so strong and untrue.

Even in our history books of the Philippines, we were taught in elementary that the early settlers of the country came from Indonesia, and so with Chinese and Arab traders who came to the Philippines, and of course the Spaniards and Americans in the latter years.

In fact, in our cultural dances, we often refer the Moslem dances as reference to the people in Mindanao whose ancestors cannot be denied that they came from Malay-Indonesian race. We also have so many dances that originated from Spain and we always recognize these dances where they came from.

So, the main issue here is an acknowledgment or point of reference.

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist.... these cultural references are therefore should be the properties of the etnic group that practise it. so as some javanese,bugis,minang and etc does live here in malaysia, so much so as yours this heritage does belong to them as well.

and we never said its is kebudayaan malaysia, we always said kebudayaan yang terdapat di malaysia.contohnyer tarian kuda kepang yand ditarikan oleh masyarakat jawa, yang banyak terdapat di johor

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

http://th02.deviantart.net/images/300W/i/2003/3/1/b/A_nice_cup_of_shut_the_fuck_up.jpg

well based on common law, jong java, jong borneo, and many other jongs are declared that they are part of indonesia under sumpah pemuda, so STFU

you never said its malaysian but your god damned govt said so, and those in the ORIGINAL PLACE is also god damn pissed off as we can see the balinese are protesting the claim of pendet dance

so there is no need to add MALAYSIA after BATIK, or claimed THIS and THAT because you guys were not fucking exist HUNDREDS of YEARS ago

and yes, the founder of wikipedia said it himself that wikipedia is not A GOD DAMN PRIMARY SOURCE

period

PS: gw udah buka, fuh leganya~~

I am not here to defend INdonesia but cant stop commenting on your strong statement. History should not be ignored. Stating that 70 years ago, there was no Indonesia is so strong and untrue.

Even in our history books of the Philippines, we were taught in elementary that the early settlers of the country came from Indonesia, and so with Chinese and Arab traders who came to the Philippines, and of course the Spaniards and Americans in the latter years.

In fact, in our cultural dances, we often refer the Moslem dances as reference to the people in Mindanao whose ancestors cannot be denied that they came from Malay-Indonesian race. We also have so many dances that originated from Spain and we always recognize these dances where they came from.

So, the main issue here is an acknowledgment or point of reference.

honesty and trust is the key for harmony :cheers:

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist.... these cultural references are therefore should be the properties of the etnic group that practise it. so as some javanese,bugis,minang and etc does live here in malaysia, so much so as yours this heritage does belong to them as well.

and we never said its is kebudayaan malaysia, we always said kebudayaan yang terdapat di malaysia.contohnyer tarian kuda kepang yand ditarikan oleh masyarakat jawa, yang banyak terdapat di johor

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

Stupid Comment :ohno:
If it does'nt belong to Indonesia and whose owned culture????? Dutch/Australia/British/China :nuts:
It is clear that ethnic Java is Indonesian native, ethnic java origin from Java Island Indonesia, and javanese culture is Indonesian culture....

Kl org jawa blng malaysia budayanya kulakan trus dr Indonesia :lol:

Ooo jadi dahulu masyarakat Bengkulu juga byk hijrah ke Malaysia ya..sampai-sampai mereka membawa bibit Bunga Raflesia segala.. terus dengan riang gembira ditanamnya pula disana..akhirnya-pun menjadi bahagian dari bunga khas Malaysia..

Rafflesia ialah bunga hutan yang tumbuh liar di borneo. even namanya diberi Sir Stamford Raffles (pengasas singapura). siapa kata bunga ini ditanam oleh orang bangkulu? media Indonesia? :lol:

Balinese ada ngga , nok ?

Klo orang jawa, bugis, or minang melayu berafiliasi ke Mas, gw masih percaya deh.

Tapi klo orang Malaysia menganggap ada yg keturunan Bali trus menganggap tari Pendet sebagai budayanya....ini yg namanya mengada-ngada konyol norak.


Malaysia TIDAK PERNAH claim tarian pendet atau apa2 yang related to Bali. siapa ajar lue?

Balinese ada ngga , nok ?

Klo orang jawa, bugis, or minang melayu berafiliasi ke Mas, gw masih percaya deh.

Tapi klo orang Malaysia menganggap ada yg keturunan Bali trus menganggap tari Pendet sebagai budayanya....ini yg namanya mengada-ngada konyol norak.




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Tapi memang budaya kita banyak di praktekan di Malaysia bos....
Tapi ga pernah di patenkan....baik itu batik parang rusak, wayang jawa, ato pendet...bahkan di Dinas Kebudayaan mereka juga tidak ada...

Yah kayak komunitas china di indonesia yang memraktekkan barongsai gitu deh....

Rafflesia ialah bunga hutan yang tumbuh liar di borneo. even namanya diberi Sir Stamford Raffles (pengasas singapura). siapa kata bunga ini ditanam oleh orang bangkulu? media Indonesia? :lol:

Sir Stamford Raffles menemukan bunga bangkai di Bengkulu aslinya
pas dia lagi menjelajah hutan.... mungkin dibawa untuk dites / diteliti..
makanya dinamakan Rafflesia Arnoldi.. :)

dan emangnya ada klaim kalo Bunga Bangkai ini khas Malaysia?? CMIIW
never heard before..

oh ya bunga bangkai sama bunga Rafflesia Arnoldi sama ga?

Bunga Rafflesia arnoldi first time found in Bengkulu, Sumatra, Indonesia not Borneo...
So its origin from INDONESIA not malaysia :bash:

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist.... these cultural references are therefore should be the properties of the etnic group that practise it. so as some javanese,bugis,minang and etc does live here in malaysia, so much so as yours this heritage does belong to them as well.

and we never said its is kebudayaan malaysia, we always said kebudayaan yang terdapat di malaysia.contohnyer tarian kuda kepang yand ditarikan oleh masyarakat jawa, yang banyak terdapat di johor

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

Keep in mind that it is unethical to promote the traditional cultures that does not originated from the promoters territories.

90% of Taiwanese is Han Chinese, does that makes Taiwan eligible to promote Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad? No, instead they promote the culture of their aboriginal tribes and contemporary chinese culture which originated there.

75% of Singapore Population is also Han Chinese, do they promote the chinese traditional culture in their tourism ad? No, they promote the contemporary Singaporean culture unique to them instead. Even we could not see any promotion of Malay dan Tamil traditional culture which originated from Sumatra and Indian themselves.

2,3 millions Korean also live in China, does that makes Chinese eligible to use Korean 'Arirang' folk song in their tourism ad? I guess it would trigger diplomatic war and similar reactions from Koreans.

United States have had so many immigrants from all over the world more than any other countries have, does that makes them eligible to use their immigrants traditional culture in their tourism ad?

:bash:

So please promote your Orang Asli traditional cultures which originated from Malaya Peninsular instead of the immigrants traditional cultures. As i point previously, please make some distinctions between traditional and contemporary cultures.

Sir Stamford Raffles menemukan bunga bangkai di Bengkulu aslinya
pas dia lagi menjelajah hutan.... mungkin dibawa untuk dites / diteliti..
makanya dinamakan Rafflesia Arnoldi.. :)

dan emangnya ada klaim kalo Bunga Bangkai ini khas Malaysia?? CMIIW
never heard before..

oh ya bunga bangkai sama bunga Rafflesia Arnoldi sama ga?

Bunga Raflesia berbeda dengan Bunga Bangkai

Bunga Raflesia Arnoldi hanya tumbuh di hutan Sumatera bagian Selatan, khususnya Bengkulu. Satu tempat yang paling bagus dan mudah untuk menemukan bunga rafflesia arnoldi ini adalah di hutan sepanjang jalan Bengkulu-Curup setelah Kepahiang. Di Bengkulu sendiri, bunga Rafflesia telah dijadikan sebagai motif utama Batik Besurek (batik khas Bengkulu turun temurun) sejak lama.

Ciri utama yang membedakan rafflesia dengan bunga bangkai secara awam adalah bentuknya yang melebar (bukan tinggi) dan berwarna merah. Ketika mekar, bunga ini bisa mencapai diameter sekitar 1 meter dan tinggi 50 cm. Bunga rafflesia tidak memiliki akar, tangkai, maupun daun. Bunganya memiliki 5 mahkota. Di dasar bunga yang berbentuk gentong terdapat bunga sari atau putik, tergantung jenis kelamin bunga.

Bunga Raflesia ada banyak jenisnya, antara lain Raflesia Arnoldi, Raflessia azlanii, Rafflesia baletei, Rafflesia banahawensis, Rafflesia bengkuluensis, Rafflesia cantleyi, Rafflesia gadutensis, dsb. Nah kalo Jenis Raflesia Arnoldi seperti gambar dibawah ini hanya tumbuh dan berhabitat di Bengkulu, sedangkan yang tampil di Iklan Pariwisata Malaysia adalah Raflesia jenis Arnoldi ini. :bash:


Ini Bunga Raflesia Arnoldi

Sejarah Singkat Provinsi Bengkulu

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1188/raflesiada4.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=raflesiada4.jpg)


Ini Bunga Bangkai atau Bahasa Lokal Bengkulu disebut Bungei Kibut

Puspa Langka Bengkulu - Bungei (Bunga) Kibut
Selain Bunga Rafflesia Arnoldi

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6062/kepahiang9.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kepahiang9.jpg)
foto by Balaputradewa
Banyak ditemukan di sepanjang jalan Kepahiang - Curup

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6454/s3020617.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s3020617.jpg)
foto by Balaputradewa
Sebelum mekar..

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9122/bungabangkai.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bungabangkai.jpg)
foto by Rajorio Redjang
Sesudah mekar..

nah, bener kan... itu cuma ada di Bengkulu.. Oh My.. :nuts:

nah, bener kan... itu cuma ada di Bengkulu.. Oh My.. :nuts:

Rafflesia Arnoldi is the largest flower in the world, found in several area in Bengkulu forest. It named after the name of Bencoolen/ Bengkulu Lieutenant Governor of the British Administration; Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles, and a botanist Joseph Arnold; found the largest flower in Manna Forest, South Bengkulu on the Bukit Barisan mountain slope in 1818.

Rafflesia ialah bunga hutan yang tumbuh liar di borneo. even namanya diberi Sir Stamford Raffles (pengasas singapura). siapa kata bunga ini ditanam oleh orang bangkulu? media Indonesia? :lol:

Ingat..jauh sebelum Singapura jatuh ke Bristish..Bengkulu sudah 150 tahun berada dalam kolonial British bukan Dutch. Kemudian baru tahun 1824 sesuai dengan Traktat London, British menukar Bengkulu dengan Singapura. Sampai skrg di Bengkulu dapat dijumpai Istana Sir Thomas Stanford Rafles, Thomas Parr Monument, York Monument, Hamilton Monument, British Cemetery terbesar di Asia Tenggara dan Fort Marlborough - Benteng British terbesar ke-2 di Asia setelah Fort Madras, India. ^^

Keep in mind that it is unethical to promote the traditional cultures that does not originated from the promoters territories.

90% of Taiwanese is Han Chinese, does that makes Taiwan eligible to promote Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad? No, instead they promote the culture of their aboriginal tribes and contemporary chinese culture which originated there.

75% of Singapore Population is also Han Chinese, do they promote the chinese traditional culture in their tourism ad? No, they promote the contemporary Singaporean culture unique to them instead. Even we could not see any promotion of Malay dan Tamil traditional culture which originated from Sumatra and Indian themselves.

2,3 millions Korean also live in China, does that makes Chinese eligible to use Korean 'Arirang' folk song in their tourism ad? I guess it would trigger diplomatic war and similar reactions from Koreans.

United States have had so many immigrants from all over the world more than any other countries have, does that makes them eligible to use their immigrants traditional culture in their tourism ad?

:bash:

So please promote your Orang Asli traditional cultures which originated from Malaya Peninsular instead of the immigrants traditional cultures. As i point previously, please make some distinctions between traditional and contemporary cultures.

this is what i was going to tell him, thanks

to claimer : IN YOUR FACE BAHAHAHA

Stupid Comment :ohno:
If it does'nt belong to Indonesia and whose owned culture????? Dutch/Australia/British/China :nuts:
It is clear that ethnic Java is Indonesian native, ethnic java origin from Java Island Indonesia, and javanese culture is Indonesian culture....

Kl org jawa blng malaysia budayanya kulakan trus dr Indonesia :lol:

javanese culture is owned by the javanese races not indonesia (which was make up with a lot of other races). by saying javanese culture as an indonesian culture you are actually robing the javanese. why would a malay,bugis,minang wanna claim javanese culture as their owned? don't you have your own culture to be proud at??

Keep in mind that it is unethical to promote the traditional cultures that does not originated from the promoters territories.

90% of Taiwanese is Han Chinese, does that makes Taiwan eligible to promote Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad? No, instead they promote the culture of their aboriginal tribes and contemporary chinese culture which originated there.

75% of Singapore Population is also Han Chinese, do they promote the chinese traditional culture in their tourism ad? No, they promote the contemporary Singaporean culture unique to them instead. Even we could not see any promotion of Malay dan Tamil traditional culture which originated from Sumatra and Indian themselves.

2,3 millions Korean also live in China, does that makes Chinese eligible to use Korean 'Arirang' folk song in their tourism ad? I guess it would trigger diplomatic war and similar reactions from Koreans.

United States have had so many immigrants from all over the world more than any other countries have, does that makes them eligible to use their immigrants traditional culture in their tourism ad?

:bash:

So please promote your Orang Asli traditional cultures which originated from Malaya Peninsular instead of the immigrants traditional cultures. As i point previously, please make some distinctions between traditional and contemporary cultures.

have you ever look at the old old version of singapore $2 notes, at the back you could see the image of a dragon dances,an indian traditional dance,an a group of malay parading bunga manggar. does that not count as a promotion?

and unlike you, we never claim those culture as malaysian owned, we promoted it as the heritage of the communities that reside in malaysia.

just because a minang reside in malaysia, it means they are not allowed to practise the adat pepatih?
and worse our gov are not allowed to tell the world that some malaysia practise the adat pepatih?

javanese culture is owned by the javanese races not indonesia (which was make up with a lot of other races). by saying javanese culture as an indonesian culture you are actually robing the javanese. why would a malay,bugis,minang wanna claim javanese culture as their owned? don't you have your own culture to be proud at??

so, the chinese govt cannot claim kung fu from non Han Chinese people, and USA cant claim their own food because basically they are the english, and the english ancestors are germanic people, and germanic people originated from adam's off spring, seriously, you won a free internet, shithead

have you ever look at the old old version of singapore $2 notes, at the back you could see the image of a dragon dances,an indian traditional dance,an a group of malay parading bunga manggar. does that not count as a promotion?

and unlike you, we never claim those culture as malaysian owned, we promoted it as the heritage of the communities that reside in malaysia.

just because a minang reside in malaysia, it means they are not allowed to practise the adat pepatih?
and worse our gov are not allowed to tell the world that some malaysia practise the adat pepatih?

- they never claimed that the indian dance, and the dragon as theirs, they only use it as promotional, never add anything sounds the S of Singaporean

- fuck you

- yes they can, but dont add anything that sounds malaysian in front of them

in conclution either you are a noob troll, a moron or a meatlump

Bunga Rafflesia arnoldi first time found in Bengkulu, Sumatra, Indonesia not Borneo...
So its origin from INDONESIA not malaysia :bash:

by this logic, since the european first encounter tiger,elephant and rhino in india, so all tiger,elephant and rhino in this world ought to be indian???

and isn't it weird for someone to think that some chap from bengkahulu took a rotten smelling flower into his small sampan and planted it in the deep jungle of the peninsular and borneo

Sir Stamford Raffles menemukan bunga bangkai di Bengkulu aslinya
pas dia lagi menjelajah hutan.... mungkin dibawa untuk dites / diteliti..
makanya dinamakan Rafflesia Arnoldi.. :)

dan emangnya ada klaim kalo Bunga Bangkai ini khas Malaysia?? CMIIW
never heard before..

oh ya bunga bangkai sama bunga Rafflesia Arnoldi sama ga?

Gimana sih Nan,kan di video enigmatic malaysia selain ada tari pendet bali juga ada wayang dan bunga Raflesia juga.

just to share u some information..its up to u to believe it or not...:)

© Karl Lehmann,
Several species of Rafflesia grow in the jungles of Southeast Asia, all of them threatened or endangered. Rafflesia arnoldii is the largest; its blossom attains a diameter of nearly a meter and can weigh up to 11 kg. Not only is it the world's largest flower, it is one of the most bizarre and improbable organisms on the planet.

It produces no leaves, stems or roots but lives as a parasite on the Tetrastigma vine, which grows only in primary (undisturbed) rainforest. Only the flower or bud can be seen; the rest of the plant exists only as filaments within its unfortunate host. The blossom is pollinated by flies attracted by its scent, which resembles that of carrion.

The Rafflesia is rare and fairly hard to locate. It is especially difficult to see in bloom; the buds take many months to develop and the blossom lasts for just a few days. How many of these strange plants still survive is unknown, but the last of them can be expected to vanish as the remaining primary forests of Borneo and Sumatra are burned.



http://www.lostworldarts.com/asia/rafflesia_2.htm

this other source...there are currently 23 species of rafflesia in the world now

http://www.parasiticplants.siu.edu/Rafflesiaceae/RafflesiaGallery.html

based on SIUC / College of Science / Parasitic Plant Connection / Rafflesiaceae:

Rafflesia arnoldii live at Borneo, Sarawak, Malaysia,West Kalimantan, Indonesia and Benkulu, Sumatra, Indonesia

i think what do u mean the only rafflesia live in bengkulu is this one...Rafflesia bengkuluensis..it only has at sumatera island...

here rafflesia bengkuluensis
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6148/bengkuluensis1h.jpg

http://www.parasiticplants.siu.edu/Rafflesiaceae/Raff.beng.page.html

this is other references:
http://www.greenthumbarticles.com/article/Rafflesia-Arnoldii-Largest-flower-in-the-world-a2471.html

....Rafflesia Arnoldii. is a parasitic plant. Its minuscule seeds are taken up by a passing animal who is perhaps in pursuit of carrion to munch on. The seed is then transported to another plant, usually a vine of some sort, which will serve as home. The host plant will then provide all water and nutrients for the Rafflesia Arnoldii. The wonder of this plant is it has no visible root system nor any stems or foliage. The flower has five leathery petals in a rusty red color with a huge opening in the center from where the malodorous scent emanates and where the seeds are produced if properly pollinated.

As the flower only lasts three days to a week at most and are very few and far between it is indeed a rare sighting, probably worse to come by than Bigfoot and UFO’s. On the rare occasions this happens Rafflesia Arnoldii is found, in the rainforests of Borneo and Sumatra in the Malay Archipelago....

oh ternyata bunga rafflesia sma bunga bangkai beda ? baru tau ..

btw bunga raffles mengeluarkan bau jga gak ? ?

u can read this..some good information...there is diference actually between bunga bangkai and rafflesia...

http://prestylarasati.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/bunga-rafflesia-vs-bunga-bangkai/

by this logic, since the european first encounter tiger,elephant and rhino in india, so all tiger,elephant and rhino in this world ought to be indian???

and isn't it weird for someone to think that some chap from bengkahulu took a rotten smelling flower into his small sampan and planted it in the deep jungle of the peninsular and borneo

yes its wierd thats why your argument is invalid, and yes you never reply me because you know i am right

and yes this is your dad

http://pictureisunrelated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wtf-pics-no-pants-attack.jpg

just to share u some information..its up to u to believe it or not...:)

© Karl Lehmann,
Several species of Rafflesia grow in the jungles of Southeast Asia, all of them threatened or endangered. Rafflesia arnoldii is the largest; its blossom attains a diameter of nearly a meter and can weigh up to 11 kg. Not only is it the world's largest flower, it is one of the most bizarre and improbable organisms on the planet.

It produces no leaves, stems or roots but lives as a parasite on the Tetrastigma vine, which grows only in primary (undisturbed) rainforest. Only the flower or bud can be seen; the rest of the plant exists only as filaments within its unfortunate host. The blossom is pollinated by flies attracted by its scent, which resembles that of carrion.

The Rafflesia is rare and fairly hard to locate. It is especially difficult to see in bloom; the buds take many months to develop and the blossom lasts for just a few days. How many of these strange plants still survive is unknown, but the last of them can be expected to vanish as the remaining primary forests of Borneo and Sumatra are burned.



http://www.lostworldarts.com/asia/rafflesia_2.htm

this other source...there are currently 23 species of rafflesia in the world now

http://www.parasiticplants.siu.edu/Rafflesiaceae/RafflesiaGallery.html

based on SIUC / College of Science / Parasitic Plant Connection / Rafflesiaceae:

Rafflesia arnoldii live at Borneo, Sarawak, Malaysia,West Kalimantan, Indonesia and Benkulu, Sumatra, Indonesia

i think what do u mean the only rafflesia live in bengkulu is this one...Rafflesia bengkuluensis..it only has at sumatera island...

here rafflesia bengkuluensis
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6148/bengkuluensis1h.jpg

http://www.parasiticplants.siu.edu/Rafflesiaceae/Raff.beng.page.html

this is other references:
http://www.greenthumbarticles.com/article/Rafflesia-Arnoldii-Largest-flower-in-the-world-a2471.html

....Rafflesia Arnoldii. is a parasitic plant. Its minuscule seeds are taken up by a passing animal who is perhaps in pursuit of carrion to munch on. The seed is then transported to another plant, usually a vine of some sort, which will serve as home. The host plant will then provide all water and nutrients for the Rafflesia Arnoldii. The wonder of this plant is it has no visible root system nor any stems or foliage. The flower has five leathery petals in a rusty red color with a huge opening in the center from where the malodorous scent emanates and where the seeds are produced if properly pollinated.

As the flower only lasts three days to a week at most and are very few and far between it is indeed a rare sighting, probably worse to come by than Bigfoot and UFO’s. On the rare occasions this happens Rafflesia Arnoldii is found, in the rainforests of Borneo and Sumatra in the Malay Archipelago....

yep, rafflesia arnoldi emang tersebar di filipina juga ada

just because a minang reside in malaysia, it means they are not allowed to practise the adat pepatih?


Of course they could, just like any immigrants in United States could practice their own culture, but never do the United States government have their culture shown in the tourism ad, instead their government show cowboy and indian culture with contemporary american culture originated there.


and worse our gov are not allowed to tell the world that some malaysia practise the adat pepatih?
Its the tourism ad that matters, essentially tourism is all about uniqueness of culture that originated from the place being promoted. You can't promotes someting that aren't originated from those place, just like Taiwan can't use Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad because peking Opera does not originated from Taiwan but Beijing although a lot of Chinese Mainlanders immigrate to Taiwan in the 18-19th centuries

:bash:

Why malaysia using Rafflesia Arnoldi flower that origin from Bengkulu, Indonesia to promote Malaysia tourism, not other flower, such don't have any flower :lol:

Why malaysia using Rafflesia Arnoldi flower that origin from Bengkulu, Indonesia to promote Malaysia tourism, not other flower, such don't have any flower :lol:

rafflesia arnoldi is origin plant in bengkulu, sarawak and kalimantan...it was first time found at bengkulu by sir raffles stanford and after so many years researches realize that this flowers also can be found in borneo island in sarawak Malaysia and kalimantan indonesia.....

the only raffelesia can be found and origin in bengkulu is this one rafflesia bengkuluensis..this rafflesia cannot be found in part of the world except at sumatera island only.....

see this website, they list the species of rafflesia in the world and their habitat location...

http://www.parasiticplants.siu.edu/Rafflesiaceae/RafflesiaGallery.html

Rafflesia arnoldi itu juga ada di Taman Nasional Gunung Leuser, Aceh ... Taman Nasional Bukit Tigapuluh, Riau, Taman Nasional TessoNilo, Riau ... Dan hampir seluruh Taman nasional di Sumatra.

Yang entitas langka itu Bunga Bangkai (Padma Raksasa??) , nah kalau yang ini kayaknya memang cuman ada di SumBagSel (dan Kebun Raya Bogor :D).

Aku pribadi gak pernah nyebutnya Bunga bangkai,,, kedengaran gak enak aja. Kerenan Rafflesia arnoldi ,lah... Kurasa kita memang suka susah bedain Bunga bangkai yang kita maksud di sini adalah Rafflesia arnoldi ataukah Amorphophallus sp. . Gak ada gunanya juga berdebat soal BioLogi dan asal-usul tumbuhan.

Mangga bukan tumbuhan asli Mesir. Bibit mangga pertama malah dibawa oleh Presiden Soekarno ke Mesir dan diberikan kepada Presiden Gamal Abdul Nasser sebagai kenang-kenangan. Dan sekarang asyir (jus?) mangga, jadi minuman yang sangat-sangat-sangat populer di Mesir.

Ingat..jauh sebelum Singapura jatuh ke Bristish..Bengkulu sudah 150 tahun berada dalam kolonial British bukan Dutch. Kemudian baru tahun 1824 sesuai dengan Traktat London, British menukar Bengkulu dengan Singapura. Sampai skrg di Bengkulu dapat dijumpai Istana Sir Thomas Stanford Rafles, Thomas Parr Monument, York Monument, Hamilton Monument, British Cemetery terbesar di Asia Tenggara dan Fort Marlborough - Benteng British terbesar ke-2 di Asia setelah Fort Madras, India. ^^

Bengkulu dan Bangka termasuk 2 kawasan yang dibeli Belanda dari Inggris pada tahun 1800-an dulu.

Kalau LONDON TREATY mah itu urusan bagi2 "kue pie" kawasan jajahan di Selat Melaka ...

Ini kok jadi pada berantem soal Rafflesia Arnoldi/tumbuhan/hutan ya?

Yah.. inilah permasalahan manusia yang terkotak-kotak dalam batas-batas kebangsaan dan negara. Alam sendiri mana ada kotak-kotaknya.... Alam sih peduli amat dengan batas negara... gue mau numbuh di sini kek, di situ kek suka-suka gue lah, mana yang paling pas buat gue ajalah... gitu kira-kira istilahnya....

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist....

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

Daeng,you have to be more comprehensive in studying the history of other country.:lol:
Daeng,bila teragak-agak pasal history lain negara sila kau buat soalan kat cikgu kau lar.xyah banyak cakap pasal history Indonesia bila kau tak paham betul ngan pasal tu.

Okay you may say that 70 years a go there is no Indonesia as a sovereign nation.but yes,70 years ago there is Indonesia as the nation entity.
in the year 1928 which is more than 80 years ago!!! many elements in Indonesia,such as Jong Java,Jong Sumatera,Jong Celebes,Jong Ambon,even Chinese and Arabic youth united and declare the Sumpah Pemuda (youth oath) in October 1928 Which one of it verse reads: We are sons and daughters of Indonesia claimed one nation, the Indonesian nation.
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumpah_Pemuda


so you're wrong if you say 70 years a go, Indonesia does not exist.:bash:
we're already exist as a nation enthity my dear friend.sory to say but we are -Indonesia nation- has existed since we called the "East Indies", or even since the days of the Majapahit kingdom or perhaps even longer than that.
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majapahit

javanese culture is owned by the javanese races not indonesia (which was make up with a lot of other races). by saying javanese culture as an indonesian culture you are actually robing the javanese.

come on,puhh..liiisssss.......what a weird statement.:ohno:
Daeng,you can't say by admitting Javanese culture as the culture of Indonesia then Indonesia robing javanesse culture.very strange statement of you.
Javanese originated from the Java Island and last time I check the island of Java still reside in Indonesia territory.:lol:
or other simple example, if Australia government said that boomerang belong to Australia then does it mean Australia has robbed aboriginal culture????:nuts:

I'am javanese and I'm proud javanesse culture enriched Indonesian culture along with houndreds of another -Indonesia archiplelago originated- cultures. :cheers:

stop arguing about this natural creature. Its up to them la nak tumbuh kat mne Indo ke Malay. Kok lebih baik jika dibandingkan pencapaian kedua-dua negara tetangga ini dalam modern archiving supaya bisa jadi lebih maju. Malu aja sama bangsa asing.

Kalo gini ga kan pernah kelar2 masalahnya......
Aku sebagai orang jogja lebih mengikuti sikap Sultan IX..

Saat ditemui di sela-sela peresmian SDN Kalongan Maguwoharjo Depok, Rabu (5/12), Gubernur DIY Sri Sultan HB X mengaku belum tahu persis motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ yang sudah dipatenkan Malaysia tersebut. ”Saya belum pernah melihat motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ yang dipatenkan Malaysia itu. Apakah sama dengan motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Yogyakarta atau tidak. Jadi saya belum bisa berkomentar banyak. Namun yang jelas, batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Yogyakarta sudah dipatenkan di Indonesia,” tegasnya. Saat didesak apakah akan mengambil sikap kalau memang motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ dipatenkan Malaysia, Sultan mengaku akan lihat-lihat dulu. ”Kalau memang batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Malaysia itu dipatenkan hanya untuk di Malaysia sendiri ya tak masalah. Seperti halnya batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Yogyakarta yang sudah dipatenkan di Indonesia,” ujarnya. Namun demikian, lanjut Sultan, akan lain masalahnya kalau Malaysia mempatenkan motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ itu ke tingkat dunia. ”Kalau itu yang dilakukan, tentu masalahnya akan lain. Sepanjang paten itu hanya berlaku untuk Malaysia, ya tak masalah,” tandasnya.

Hal itu juga berlaku untuk budaya yang lain..(kalau menurutku lho)..dan sejauh ini Malaysia juga belum mematenkan budaya jawa secara internasional...kalo iya..Sultan pasti tau....Menteri Pertahanan Malaysia kan orang Jogja ...dan masih hormat dengan Sultan...buktinya waktu sang menteri mau berakhir masa jabatanya dia berkunjung ke Jogja menemui Sultan..

Budaya Jawa pasti adalah dari pulau jawa..dan pulau jawa adalah bagian dari negara Indonesia...seluruh dunia juga tau....jadi jangan di permasalahkan...akan menjadi debat kusir

Orang jawa melestarikan budayanya di negeri orang menurutku ga masalah...apa kita bisa melarang orang jawa yang tinggal di malaysia untuk maen wayang??? ga kan??

yang jadi masalah jika itu di klaim sebagai budaya dimana org itu tinggal...dalam kasus ini di Malaysia..

dan bukti bahwa mereka mengklaim budaya Jawa adalah dengan memantenkannya...dan soal paten...saat ini malaysia belum memantenkannya... so sapa yang bilang Malaysia mengklaim budaya jawa sebagai milik mereka?? Kita jangan asal menuduh kalau tidak ada bukti...

Cuma, banyak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia yang menggunakan budaya jawa untuk promosi...nah ini yang harus menjadi point penting....

Seharusnya Malaysia menegur mereka itu...selama ini cuma membiarkan...mungkin seperti cuci tangan.. kalo ga dipermasalahkan....malaysia untung....kalo dipermasalahkan Malaysia bisa cuci tangan.....dan menyalahkan pihak ketiga...

Ini yang harus dipermasalahkan oleh pemerintah kita.....

^^ TIdak ... tidak ada budaya Indonesia yang dipatenkan, kalaupun ada .. palingan cuman "corak" itupun yang spesifik dan entitas asli doank. Diklaim secara "resmi" juga tidak. Kata "klaim" itu istilah propaganda aja tuh dari media Indonesia, biar lebih kedengaran bombastis dan keren, soalnya kalau mencuri konon katanya terlalu kasar.

Soalnya takaran budaya Jawa/entitas Indonesia yang konon kata media di Indonesia di-"klaim" Malaysia, itu tidak terlihat dalam MAINSTREAM Malaysian Society (as I experienced here). Ini baru terlihat kalau kita bicara TOURISM INDUSTRY (which is clearly about money-money-&-money) .... Cuman terlihat di iklan2 juga, kalau lihat ON-THE-SITE mah biasa2 aja kalau yang saya lihat, gak dalam level heboh2 amat, malah kalau diplototin, perbedaannya ada kok dari yang biasa saya lihat di Indonesia (well gak semua.. tapi ada lah.._). Di Malaysia, banyak juga kok orang Jawa dari Indonesia (biasanya "cari makan"), merekanya biasa-biasa aja tuh. MUngkin, karena mereka melihat dari Malaysian perspectives juga, makanya emosinya gak mudah terbakar.

Nah, ini bedanya sama yang dilihat dari Indonesia ( HIGHLY-MEDIA-CONTROLLED PERSPECTIVE ). Lihat deh model2 berita2 di Indonesia yang jadi NATIONAL-INTEREST
1. PONARI, Bocah Rese'
2. Super-Gay serial-killer
3. Total-Drama-Queen Manohara
4. WHiners' private letters going NATIONAL ISSUE (namely PRITA MULYASARI)
5. The charming ANTASARI AZHAR and RANI JULIANI ..

Ahh,, I'm wondering ^^ Was that topic even headline-worthed ??? Believe me, it represents our media these days.... Putting aside BOMBING and PRESIDENTIAL/PARLIMENTARY ELECTION.

Kalau menurut saya, berhubung masalah ini munculnya dalam entitas yang terlihat pada TOURISM sector.. Seharusnya ini sih kerjaan orang2 ahli (budayawan, mungkin??) dan mungkin inter-government bodies/ministries. Sedihnya, masalah2 ginian jadi "ruang publik" (karena "blow-up" media)... publik "berpura-pura" mengerti, parahnya mengerti melalui perspektif media. Dan parahnya sebagian besar dari "publik" ini, baru merasa nasionalismenya terangsang di saat seperti ini. Istilah kerennya, "bangsa yang reaktif", mungkin? Tidak banyak yang benar2 mengerti mengenai masalah ini secara spesifik (saya juga, tidak ... tapi saya cuman berusaha melihat dari 2 perspektif berbeda) kebanyakan cuman ikut-ikutan. Dan herannya, Indonesia yang biasanya minder abiss dalam pergaulan internasional, tiba2 jadi CHAUVINISTIC dan penganut HOLLIER THAN THOU (jika dan hanya jika kalau "Internasional" yang dimaksud adalah "Malaysia").

Malaysia melihat masalah secara berbeda karena mungkin media nya juga , yang dikontrol habis-habisan sama pemerintahnya. Which is, sama tidak baiknya.

Mengenai mana yang benar, memang tidak ada yang lebih baik dari everyone of us should put on each other shoes.

Kalo gini ga kan pernah kelar2
Cuma, banyak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia yang menggunakan budaya jawa untuk promosi...nah ini yang harus menjadi point penting....

Seharusnya Malaysia menegur mereka itu...selama ini cuma membiarkan...mungkin seperti cuci tangan.. kalo ga dipermasalahkan....malaysia untung....kalo dipermasalahkan Malaysia bisa cuci tangan.....dan menyalahkan pihak ketiga...

Ini yang harus dipermasalahkan oleh pemerintah kita.....

you got the point.
ya,sememangnya itulah pasal yang membuat ramai orang Indonesia marah ngan Malaysia,Mas Danang.

Me as Indonesian do not mind if the original culture of Indonesian practiced in other countries.

I know there are bunchs of Javanese in Malaysia,Suriname or New Caledonia.Even in USA there are more than 100 of Javanese gamelan groups.
http://digitalmusics.dartmouth.edu/~gamelan/directoryusa.html
but it's okay for us.go ahead learn and practice our culture.
We are not disturbed when other countries practicing our culture.

What makes Indonesia disturbed is when other countries began to take advantage of Indonesian culture for their own sake.

Pendet dance to be performed at Malaysia's tourism event

www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/09/02/pendet-dance-be-performed-malaysia039s-tourism-event.html

Indonesian dancers will perform the controversial Balinese Pendet dance at one of the biggest tourism events in Malaysia later this week, an official said Wednesday.

"We will present an Indonesian cultural performance, that is, the Pendet dance at the Matta Fair 2009," Chrismiastutie, an official at the Indonesian Cultural and Tourism Ministry, told Antara news agency.

Malaysian Association of Tour and Travel Agents (Matta) Fair 2009 will run from Sept. 4 to Sept. 6.

The Pendet dance has drawn controversy following Malaysia's use of the dance in its tourism promotion ads. Indonesia has protested this use of the Pendet dance by Malaysia.

"We can use this forum [Matta Fair] to clarify [the ownership of] our Pendet dance," Chrismiastutie added.

In addition to Pendet, Indonesia will present other traditional dances, including Legong (also from Bali) and a Betawi dance.

Through tourism promotion in Malaysia, Chrismiastutie said that Indonesia should attract more tourists from Malaysia.

Last year, a total of 818,000 Malaysians visited Indonesia. As of July this year, 450,134 Malaysian tourists had visited Indonesia. This year, the number of Malaysian tourists visiting Indonesia is expected to reach 930,000.

you got the point.
ya,sememangnya itulah pasal yang membuat ramai orang Indonesia marah ngan Malaysia,Mas Danang.

Me as Indonesian do not mind if the original culture of Indonesian practiced in other countries.

I know there are bunchs of Javanese in Malaysia,Suriname or New Caledonia.Even in USA there are more than 100 of Javanese gamelan groups.
http://digitalmusics.dartmouth.edu/~gamelan/directoryusa.html
but it's okay for us.go ahead learn and practice our culture.
We are not disturbed when other countries practicing our culture.

What makes Indonesia disturbed is when other countries began to take advantage of Indonesian culture for their own sake.

^^
Riyadi Suparno , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 08/27/2009 12:52 PM | Headlines

We Indonesians are simply overreacting in our response to Malaysia's use of the Balinese Pendet dance in promotional TV spots. We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother. And such responses will not help us become a better nation.

First, it was a small protest from a group of Balinese people, the rightful owner of the dance, then unfortunately it grew into a nationwide condemnation of Malaysia.

Just read the comments posted at www.thejakartapost.com or many other Internet forums discussing the issue, and you will easily find many condemnations from Indonesians against Malaysia, some even urging the government to ganyang (invade) Malaysia, invoking memories of the time Indonesia was in confrontation with Malaysia.

Unwisely, the government responded in the same way, with the tourism minister summoning the Malaysian embassy's top official and sending a letter of protest to his counterpart in Kuala Lumpur.

But it did not stop there. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono joined the fray, calling on the Malaysian government to deal more carefully with "sensitive" cultural issues between the two countries.

Our responses have really gone too far. Just read this news from Antara: Diponegoro University (Undip), one of Indonesia's leading institutes of higher learning, has stopped admitting Malaysian students for the 2009-2010 academic year in an expression of "nationalism".

"We have done it as a concrete expression of our sense of nationalism," Undip rector Susilo Wibowo said Tuesday as quoted by Antara, after attending a ceremony to mark the induction of new students.

But we don't know the real reasons behind it. It could be because there were no Malaysian students applying to study at the university this academic year, which begins in July.

The point here is that we just overreacted to this issue, or worse, we tried to bully one of our closest neighbors.

Malaysia uses various Asian cultural expressions, especially Chinese and Indian, in its tourism campaign "Malaysia Truly Asia". China and India have never protested Malaysia's use of their cultural heritage in its tourism campaigns.

Why then are we so angry whenever Malaysia uses our cultural heritage, including the Pendet, batik and wayang in their tourism campaigns? In reality, though, Malaysia has never claimed the Pendet as their dance, batik as their craft or wayang as their performance.

These are Indonesian cultural expressions brought to Malaysia by the millions of Indonesians who moved there, mostly as migrant workers.

If it's an issue of rights, we don't have copyrights for most of our cultural products. Much, if not the majority of our cultural heritage, was created by our ancestors for the good of society and mankind.

For instance, many of our best classical Javanese gamelan compositions were written by anonymous composers. They were composed for the kings and the people, and the composers deliberately did not put their names there, much less copyrighted them.

Before Indonesia existed, anyone could play these compositions, even people from outside the Javanese kingdom. Now that Indonesia exists, does it mean nobody outside Indonesia can play and use them in their tourism campaigns, even if they have gamelan groups in their own countries?

Currently, hundreds of gamelan groups exist outside Indonesia. If they wish to promote their groups or if their country wishes to use these gamelan groups to promote tourism, they have every right to use gamelan images in their campaign.

Thus instead of getting angry or sending letter of protests or stopping admitting Malaysian students, we should be more positive and collaborate with the Malaysian government to promote our culture in that country.

When there are more Malaysians dancing the Pendet and playing the gamelan and to Indonesian pop songs, it will only mean more benefits, and not losses, to Indonesia. It will mean more commerce and tourism between the two countries.

Not only that, it would also strengthen cultural ties between the two nations.

Similarly, if Malaysia advertises more Indonesian cultural heritage, it would bring more benefits than losses to us.

Let says, Malaysia advertises the Pendet, and tourists go there because of the advertisement. There is a great chance these tourists will continue on to Bali to see the Pendet at its source. So it not only saves us precious advertising dollars - which we rarely ever spend anyway - but also brings in dollar from more tourist visits.

So let Malaysians dance our Pendet and play our wayang and advertise them. It will only do good things for us in Indonesia.

^^
Riyadi S-The Jakarta Post.
So let Malaysians dance our Pendet and play our wayang and advertise them. It will only do good things for us in Indonesia.

do good things dari hongkong :nuts:

I dont thing so.I dont think it will do good things to Indonesia.
If I were foreigner tourist and found Pendet dance or Wayang show in Malaysia then I would not visiting Indonesia.I prefer Malaysia as tourist destination than Indonesia.

If I could found anything in Malaysia so why I should visiting Indonesia?.Malaysia has better facilities and infrastructure even better Malaysia is free from bombing teror.so visiting Indonesia is waste of money .

See,kalau begitu untungnya dikita bagian mana ya bung?toh airport yang dipakai airport mereka.airline yang dipakai airline mereka.hotel-hotel mereka.makan di resto mereka.pajak masuk ke mereka.belanja turis juga masuk ke devisa mereka.toh si tourist juga gak peduli itu kesenian asalnya dari mana.yang penting mereka bisa menikmati semuanya di Malaysia.dan satu kesan yang pasti,Malaysia memang Indah dan "anything is there".

gak tahu deh apa jadinya kalau semua orang Indonesia kayak Riyadi Suparno.kelihatannya sih mencerahkan tapi coba deh renungkan kembali mumpung masih belum lama agustusan nih :ohno:

Riyadi mungkin lupa,kehebohan ini bukan hanya tiba-tiba muncul saat ini saja.
ini adalah sebuah akumulasi dari berbagai gangguan oleh Malaysia kepada negara kita.
-perebutan P Sipadan & Ligitan
-masalah penyiksaan TKI
-masalah patok perbatasan yang bergeser menjorok berkilo-kilo meter.
-masalah lagu rasa sayange,reog,batik dan angklung
-masalah pelanggaran perbatasan di Ambalat

dan kalau Riyadi bilang "We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother".oh please siapa yang membulli siapa?

kalau saya malah berfikir Malaysia itu seperti adik kita yang di masa lalu kita didik dan bantu dengan sabar dan saat ini adik kita menjadi kaya dan sukses.kita sih seneng2 aja punya adik yang sukses tapi makin kesini si adik makin "songong" kalau kata orang jakarta.

okay,what happen in UNDIP is too much for me but .but IMO we have the right to angry.

percaya deh kalau Malaysia anteng2 aja,kita juga asik2 aja kok.

do good things dari hongkong :nuts:

I dont thing so.I dont think it will do good things to Indonesia.
If I were foreigner tourist and found Pendet dance or Wayang show in Malaysia then I would not visiting Indonesia.I prefer Malaysia as tourist destination than Indonesia.

If I could found anything in Malaysia so why I should visiting Indonesia?.Malaysia has better facilities and infrastructure even better Malaysia is free from bombing teror.so visiting Indonesia is waste of money .

See,kalau begitu untungnya dikita bagian mana ya bung?toh airport yang dipakai airport mereka.airline yang dipakai airline mereka.hotel-hotel mereka.makan di resto mereka.pajak masuk ke mereka.belanja turis juga masuk ke devisa mereka.toh si tourist juga gak peduli itu kesenian asalnya dari mana.yang penting mereka bisa menikmati semuanya di Malaysia.dan satu kesan yang pasti,Malaysia memang Indah dan "anything is there".

gak tahu deh apa jadinya kalau semua orang Indonesia kayak Riyadi Suparno.kelihatannya sih mencerahkan tapi coba deh renungkan kembali mumpung masih belum lama agustusan nih :ohno:

Riyadi mungkin lupa,kehebohan ini bukan hanya tiba-tiba muncul saat ini saja.
ini adalah sebuah akumulasi dari berbagai gangguan oleh Malaysia kepada negara kita.
-perebutan P Sipadan & Ligitan
-masalah penyiksaan TKI
-masalah patok perbatasan yang bergeser menjorok berkilo-kilo meter.
-masalah lagu rasa sayange,reog,batik dan angklung
-masalah pelanggaran perbatasan di Ambalat

dan kalau Riyadi bilang "We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother".oh please siapa yang membulli siapa?

kalau saya malah berfikir Malaysia itu seperti adik kita yang di masa lalu kita didik dan bantu dengan sabar dan saat ini adik kita menjadi kaya dan sukses.kita sih seneng2 aja punya adik yang sukses tapi makin kesini si adik makin "songong" kalau kata orang jakarta.

okay,what happen in UNDIP is too much for me but .but IMO we have the right to angry.

percaya deh kalau Malaysia anteng2 aja,kita juga asik2 aja kok.

http://img.skitch.com/20090310-fue4arsbcqnqj5q9327sc2gd46.jpg

Good news for Malaysia:

Malaysia's First Submarine Is Now In Melaka Strait

KUALA LUMPUR -- The country's first submarine, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman (KD TAR), has arrived in the Strait of Melaka and is now heading towards Port Klang for the official welcoming ceremony Thursday.

Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin and Sultan of Selangor Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah as well as Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, Chief of Defence Forces Tan Sri Azizan Ariffin and the chiefs navy, air force and army will attend the event.

Royal Malaysian Navy public relations officer Lt-Comm Masliza Maaris, when contacted, said members of the public would be able to watch the ceremony live through the "Hello On Two" programme on TV2 from 7.50am.

The KD TAR is captained by Commander Zulhelmy Ithnain and has 35 crew.

Masliza said the Scorpene submarine would be at the Pulau Indah naval base until Friday before sailing to RMN's base in Lumut.

KD TAR is scheduled to set sail for Sepanggar Bay near Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, where it will be permanently housed on Sept 17.

The submarine would also be displayed at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition 2009 (Lima '09) on Dec 1-5, she said.

The KD TAR arrived home after a 55-day journey starting July 11 from Toulon, France, and made port of calls in Jeddah, Djibouti and Cochin.

Malaysia purchased two Scorpene-class submarines at the cost of RM3.4 billion in 2002. They were jointly built by DCNS of France and Navantia of Spain.

Both submarines are named after the country's first and second prime ministers.

The country's second submarine, KD Tun Razak, which will be commissioned in October 2009, is expected to sail home in January next year and arrives two months later.

Scorpene, a conventional combat submarine, is equipped with six torpedo tubes where guided missiles can be launched simultaneously.

The submarine, with a 20 nautical knot speed, also has anti-aircraft missiles and anti-submarine torpedoes.

(Bernama)

What makes Indonesia disturbed is when other countries began to take advantage of Indonesian culture for their own sake.

You to bro....and its makes indonesia disturbed is when they "sell" indonesian culture as a tourism object...just to get more tourist without know the philoshopy of our culture...just for make money and money....a f***ing capitalism...

^^ TIdak ... tidak ada budaya Indonesia yang dipatenkan, kalaupun ada .. palingan cuman "corak" itupun yang spesifik dan entitas asli doank. Diklaim secara "resmi" juga tidak. Kata "klaim" itu istilah propaganda aja tuh dari media Indonesia, biar lebih kedengaran bombastis dan keren, soalnya kalau mencuri konon katanya terlalu kasar.

Soalnya takaran budaya Jawa/entitas Indonesia yang konon kata media di Indonesia di-"klaim" Malaysia, itu tidak terlihat dalam MAINSTREAM Malaysian Society (as I experienced here). Ini baru terlihat kalau kita bicara TOURISM INDUSTRY (which is clearly about money-money-&-money) .... Cuman terlihat di iklan2 juga, kalau lihat ON-THE-SITE mah biasa2 aja kalau yang saya lihat, gak dalam level heboh2 amat, malah kalau diplototin, perbedaannya ada kok dari yang biasa saya lihat di Indonesia (well gak semua.. tapi ada lah.._). Di Malaysia, banyak juga kok orang Jawa dari Indonesia (biasanya "cari makan"), merekanya biasa-biasa aja tuh. MUngkin, karena mereka melihat dari Malaysian perspectives juga, makanya emosinya gak mudah terbakar.

Nah, ini bedanya sama yang dilihat dari Indonesia ( HIGHLY-MEDIA-CONTROLLED PERSPECTIVE ). Lihat deh model2 berita2 di Indonesia yang jadi NATIONAL-INTEREST
1. PONARI, Bocah Rese'
2. Super-Gay serial-killer
3. Total-Drama-Queen Manohara
4. WHiners' private letters going NATIONAL ISSUE (namely PRITA MULYASARI)
5. The charming ANTASARI AZHAR and RANI JULIANI ..

Ahh,, I'm wondering ^^ Was that topic even headline-worthed ??? Believe me, it represents our media these days.... Putting aside BOMBING and PRESIDENTIAL/PARLIMENTARY ELECTION.

Kalau menurut saya, berhubung masalah ini munculnya dalam entitas yang terlihat pada TOURISM sector.. Seharusnya ini sih kerjaan orang2 ahli (budayawan, mungkin??) dan mungkin inter-government bodies/ministries. Sedihnya, masalah2 ginian jadi "ruang publik" (karena "blow-up" media)... publik "berpura-pura" mengerti, parahnya mengerti melalui perspektif media. Dan parahnya sebagian besar dari "publik" ini, baru merasa nasionalismenya terangsang di saat seperti ini. Istilah kerennya, "bangsa yang reaktif", mungkin? Tidak banyak yang benar2 mengerti mengenai masalah ini secara spesifik (saya juga, tidak ... tapi saya cuman berusaha melihat dari 2 perspektif berbeda) kebanyakan cuman ikut-ikutan. Dan herannya, Indonesia yang biasanya minder abiss dalam pergaulan internasional, tiba2 jadi CHAUVINISTIC dan penganut HOLLIER THAN THOU (jika dan hanya jika kalau "Internasional" yang dimaksud adalah "Malaysia").

Malaysia melihat masalah secara berbeda karena mungkin media nya juga , yang dikontrol habis-habisan sama pemerintahnya. Which is, sama tidak baiknya.

Mengenai mana yang benar, memang tidak ada yang lebih baik dari everyone of us should put on each other shoes.


Yeah...i agree with you bro...

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

You to bro....and its makes indonesia disturbed is when they "sell" indonesian culture as a tourism object...just to get more tourist without know the philoshopy of our culture...just for make money and money....a f***ing capitalism...

Agreed 100% :applause:

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

di tv malaysia everyday ada visit indonesia... mari pergi jakartala, bandungla, jogjala, makassarla semuanya visit indonesia..... :)

You to bro....and its makes indonesia disturbed is when they "sell" indonesian culture as a tourism object...just to get more tourist without know the philoshopy of our culture...just for make money and money....a f***ing capitalism...

what do you mean with "they" Nang?
talking about philosophy,do you think Malaysian know the philosophy of kuda lumping,reog ponorogo,wayang kulit or angklung before they promoted it as their culture?
do you think they know the story of angklung or wayang kulit?and do you think they know the story of "bujang anom" before they showed the barongan dance/reog ponorogo as their culture?

I'ts all about take the chance and Malaysia know how to take it.

talking about get more tourist and make money,whats wrong with that?
do you think Indonesia is wrong when attract tourist with their own culture?

come on Nang,Singapore do it,Thailand do it,even Malaysia do it harder.They do anything to get more tourist.and when it comes to Indonesia its become a sin gitu?.yang bener aja lu Nang.

and whats wrong with making money and money?toh semua juga bagi kemaslahatan bangsa sendiri.is it wrong kalau anak bangsa kita sendiri mendapat keuntungan dari datangnya turis?

so misal ketika banyak turis datang ke negeri kita,membeli kerajinan hasil karya perajin kita dan perajin kita mendapat keuntungan lalu apakah semua itu salah?lalu kalau devisa negara dari bidang pariwisata kita meningkat apakah itu salah?

btw,saya lebih respek sama anak-anak muda yang mengambil langkah nyata di "Indonesian Archipelago Culture Initiatives" daripada sama orang2 yang sibuk mencaci bangsa sendiri.:bash:
mereka di IACI ga hanya bicara tapi mereka beraksi dengan menggali dan mendata sejumlah kekayaan budaya di seluruh kepulauan Indonesia.:applause:
http://budaya-indonesia.org/iaci/Halaman_Utama

Saya pribadi sangat apresiatif dengan langkah nyata tersebut. Selain
itu, saya menghimbau kepada rekan-rekan sekalian untuk membantu
perjuangan anak muda ini agar kisah Lagu rasa sayange,reog,wayang kulit dsb tidak terulang kembali.

Setidaknya ada 2 bantuan yang dapat kita berikan untuk perjuangan tersebut:

1. Mendukung upaya perlindungan budaya Indonesia secara hukum.
2. Mendukung proses pendataan kekayaan budaya Indonesia.
Jadi, jika temen-temen memiliki koleksi gambar, lagu atau
video tentang budaya Indonesia, mohon upload ke situs PERPUSTAKAAN
DIGITAL BUDAYA INDONESIA, dengan alamat http://budaya-indonesia. org/

just like any immigrants in United States could practice their own culture, but never do the United States government have their culture shown in the tourism ad, instead their government show cowboy and indian culture with contemporary american culture originated there.


Its the tourism ad that matters, essentially tourism is all about uniqueness of culture that originated from the place being promoted. You can't promotes someting that aren't originated from those place, just like Taiwan can't use Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad because peking Opera does not originated from Taiwan but Beijing although a lot of Chinese Mainlanders immigrate to Taiwan in the 18-19th centuries
:bash:

100% agree with hand15.:cheers1:

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

agree 100% yang visit jakarta juga disiarin nya kebanyakan di Tv2 lokal

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

harus diakui,depbudpar kita emang gak gape bikin iklan.apalagi soal branding,Indonesia mesti belajar banyak ke Malaysia soal ini.
Jero Wacik masih senang mengandalkan promosi dari pameran ke pameran.cara yang sangat primitif ditengah gencarnya marketing gila-gilaan negara2 tetangga kita.:ohno:

what do you mean with "they" Nang?
talking about philosophy,do you think Malaysian know the philosophy of kuda lumping,reog ponorogo,wayang kulit or angklung before they promoted it as their culture?
do you think they know the story of angklung or wayang kulit?and do you think they know the story of "bujang anom" before they showed the barongan dance/reog ponorogo as their culture?

I'ts all about take the chance and Malaysia know how to take it.

talking about get more tourist and make money,whats wrong with that?
do you think Indonesia is wrong when attract tourist with their own culture?

come on Nang,Singapore do it,Thailand do it,even Malaysia do it harder.They do anything to get more tourist.and when it comes to Indonesia its become a sin gitu?.yang bener aja lu Nang.

and whats wrong with making money and money?toh semua juga bagi kemaslahatan bangsa sendiri.is it wrong kalau anak bangsa kita sendiri mendapat keuntungan dari datangnya turis?

so misal ketika banyak turis datang ke negeri kita,membeli kerajinan hasil karya perajin kita dan perajin kita mendapat keuntungan lalu apakah semua itu salah?lalu kalau devisa negara dari bidang pariwisata kita meningkat apakah itu salah?

Setiap org punya pendapatnya masing2 lah...pendapatmu ga salah juga...tapi bagiku budaya adalah way of life...bukan barang dagangan yang di pajang di etalase mal untuk di datengin para turis....menjaga dan menghargai budaya bagiku bukan hanya dengan mempromosikannya...itu bole2 aja...tapi yang lebih tepatnya kalau kita mempraktekan budaya kita itu...tujuannya bukan untuk ditonton turis...tapi karena itu adalah bagian dari kehidupan kita sebagai bangsa indonesia....wayang dulu diciptakan bukan untuk tontonan para turis kan????mungkin pendapatku ini lebih ke budaya yang lebih dekat ke budaya ritual...

Thanks

harus diakui,depbudpar kita emang gak gape bikin iklan.apalagi soal branding,Indonesia mesti belajar banyak ke Malaysia soal ini.
Jero Wacik masih senang mengandalkan promosi dari pameran ke pameran.cara yang sangat primitif ditengah gencarnya marketing gila-gilaan negara2 tetangga kita.:ohno:

Setuju ga kalo Jero Wacik di ganti??? aku sih setuju2 ajah....hehehe...
Kalo soal promosi bukan seratus persen salah pemerintah lah.....lha duitnya aja ga ada....
Sebenarnya...udah saatnya kita jgn ngandelin pemerintah saja....
Harus dari kita sendiri yang gerak....kl di liat dari tetangga kita...selain dari pihak pemerintahnya...pihak swasta juga gencar melakukan promosi....nah pihak swasta kita gimana?? memble juga kan....

Ada usul nih...gimana kalo kita bikin promosi wisata secara indie??? band aja bisa indie..film aja bisa indie...masa ads ga bisa indie...

Kita bikin promosi wisata...kita upload do youtube...myspace...fb....dll...
Menurutku efektif lho..

Thanks

kalo ane sih promosi terus sama org sini, nanya terus liburan summer mo kemana? ke indo ga? dst2

Of course they could, just like any immigrants in United States could practice their own culture, but never do the United States government have their culture shown in the tourism ad, instead their government show cowboy and indian culture with contemporary american culture originated there.


Its the tourism ad that matters, essentially tourism is all about uniqueness of culture that originated from the place being promoted. You can't promotes someting that aren't originated from those place, just like Taiwan can't use Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad because peking Opera does not originated from Taiwan but Beijing although a lot of Chinese Mainlanders immigrate to Taiwan in the 18-19th centuries

:bash:

^^mmm..do u really know in depth about american culture? do u know where the cowboy culture from? And have u been there yourself? In america there are a big population of spanish speaking people especially at the south west part. And they still practice the culture and it is part of american cultures.. if u go to that part of america, u can see some of spanish speaking state use spanish culture and some from south america in their tourism ads. example like tango, flamenco etc..

Setuju ga kalo Jero Wacik di ganti??? aku sih setuju2 ajah....hehehe...
Kalo soal promosi bukan seratus persen salah pemerintah lah.....lha duitnya aja ga ada....
Sebenarnya...udah saatnya kita jgn ngandelin pemerintah saja....
Harus dari kita sendiri yang gerak....kl di liat dari tetangga kita...selain dari pihak pemerintahnya...pihak swasta juga gencar melakukan promosi....nah pihak swasta kita gimana?? memble juga kan....

Ada usul nih...gimana kalo kita bikin promosi wisata secara indie??? band aja bisa indie..film aja bisa indie...masa ads ga bisa indie...

Kita bikin promosi wisata...kita upload do youtube...myspace...fb....dll...
Menurutku efektif lho..

Thanks

iyah gue setuju juga Jero Wacik diganti sama yg lebih kapabel.:cheers1:
kayaknya member SSC Indonesia disini lebih bisa promosiiin tourism kita dibanding dia.:cheers:

tapi kayaknya susah deh dia kan petinggi PD.Terus dia juga masuk ke ring 1-nya EsBiWai.Bersama dengan Andi dan Hatta,Jero juga selalu nguntit kemana EsBiWai pergi apalagi pas masa2 pilpres kemaren.dimana ada SBY,disitu pasti ada Jero,Andi atau Hatta.

lah kita kok malah ngomongin urusan dalam negeri ya?:lol:
kalau oot sory deh mod. :master:

Dulu ada wacana pasang logo visit indonesia di jersey MU, koq ilang begitu saja ya...padahal bagus tuch sbg promosi.

Dulu ada wacana pasang logo visit indonesia di jersey MU, koq ilang begitu saja ya...padahal bagus tuch sbg promosi.

^^ salah satu faktor mungkin karena batalnya MU bermain di Indonesia, atau faktor klasik DANA :nuts:

iyah gue setuju juga Jero Wacik diganti sama yg lebih kapabel.:cheers1:
kayaknya member SSC Indonesia disini lebih bisa promosiiin tourism kita dibanding dia.:cheers:

tapi kayaknya susah deh dia kan petinggi PD.Terus dia juga masuk ke ring 1-nya EsBiWai.Bersama dengan Andi dan Hatta,Jero juga selalu nguntit kemana EsBiWai pergi apalagi pas masa2 pilpres kemaren.dimana ada SBY,disitu pasti ada Jero,Andi atau Hatta.

lah kita kok malah ngomongin urusan dalam negeri ya?:lol:
kalau oot sory deh mod. :master:

Yah Pak Jero kan bisa di geser ke pos laen....Menkokesra cocok tuuu....

^^ salah satu faktor mungkin karena batalnya MU bermain di Indonesia, atau faktor klasik DANA :nuts:

kayaknya masalah dana deh.denger Manu minta 496 M per taon.alamaaaak......:ohno:atau kita cari klub lain aja?chelsea atau liverpool misalnya?
loh kok malah ngomomongin bola ya?:lol:


btw,di poling ini kok gak ada Vietnam ya?padahal vietnam kan juga negara tetangga kita.sering melanggar batas dan mencuri ikan di Natuna.

^^mmm..do u really know in depth about american culture? do u know where the cowboy culture from? And have u been there yourself?

Cowboy has deep historic roots from Spanish culture, but the cowboy culture of American is different from the Spanish one as the culture developed further. Just like much of Japanese and Korean culture has historic roots from Chinese culture, but the culture of the Japanese and Korean are only unique to them and different from the Chinese counterpart. It is just the natural process of cultural blend

In Malaysian case, I can see no difference between "Reog" shown in Malaysian ad with "Reog" I see in East Java nor do I could see any difference in other aspect of culture from Indonesia that brought to Malaysia.They are just 100% copy of the original one.

Malaysian do have culture that originated and developed natively there, for example the Peranakan culture, although has heavy influence from Chinese culture, they are indeed originated from Malaysia and could not be find in any other part of China.

In america there are a big population of spanish speaking people especially at the south west part. And they still practice the culture and it is part of american cultures.. if u go to that part of america, u can see some of spanish speaking state use spanish culture and some from south america in their tourism ads. example like tango, flamenco etc.. The spanish culture in America is part of American contemporary culture, they practice them in their day to day life. As I said you must makes distinction between contemporary culture and traditional culture. I don't think the Javanese in Malaysia would habitually dance "Reog" in their everyday life :nuts:, the case is different with Tango which is practiced as part of their modern life.

kayaknya masalah dana deh.denger Manu minta 496 M per taon.alamaaaak......:ohno:atau kita cari klub lain aja?chelsea atau liverpool misalnya?
loh kok malah ngomomongin bola ya?:lol:


btw,di poling ini kok gak ada Vietnam ya?padahal vietnam kan juga negara tetangga kita.sering melanggar batas dan mencuri ikan di Natuna.

^^ CMIIW, perusahaan punya Sampoerna pasang iklan di baju Tottenham Hotspur, tapi engga bawa Indonesia.. kalo diperhatiin bajunya Hotspur ada tulisan M yang sama jenis hurufnya dengan huruf A di A-Mild..sayang M yang dimaksud kalo ga salah rumah judi Mansion...

http://www.albionroad.com/images/stories/uniforms/tottenham-hotspur-home-shirt.jpg

http://grafistv.com/site/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/obb_1/a-mild_20090112_1518326388.jpg
perhatiin jenis huruf A dan M-nya...

soal promosi, gw komentar dikit...
malaysia emang tanpa ba bi bu, langsung incer pasar luar negeri..
kalo emang bule-bule itu ga banyak yang dateng, dibikin event internasional

Mereka bikin Sirkuit F1, langsung pas diresmikan tahun 1999 jadi sirkuit paling modern waktu itu.. kita masih krisis moneter.. :ohno: F1 secara ga langsung bikin turis asing seakan2 'dipaksa' untuk dateng, Singapura ga mau kalah.. mereka bikin juga yang lebih dahsyat :nuts:

dan Petronas iklan dimana - mana, iklan Air Asia juga dimana - mana..

Indonesia? hmm.. mungkin masih mengharapkan ada yang mampir ke Bali pulang dari nonton F1.. :dunno:

Cowboy has deep historic roots from Spanish culture, but the cowboy culture of American is different from the Spanish one as the culture developed further.

^^This simple sentence sums up everything Malaysia has to say to Indonesia:

1) Yes, pls accept that culture does move and spread to even another continent through human migration, and that there are so many cultural variations that you cannot simply say it's solely yours. Let culture fluorish the way it should instead of restricting others beyond your borders from practicing them.
2) and based on your example, so the world relates "cowboy" to the States more than to the Spaniards. We don't see Spaniards crying to the world and swearing wars to America. Spain only has itself to blame that America is doing better in popularizing the cowboy culture. Please enlighten me on the Spaniards' cowboy culture, if you may - because it's not as popular as the one by American.

Other examples of similar cultural variations shared by "different countries":
1. Chinese New Year & Korean Seollal
2. Chinese Mid-Autumn Festival & Korean Chuseok
3. Taiwanese hotspring culture & Japanese hotspring culture
4. Filipino dances & Hawaiian dances
5. American Football & Rugby & Australian Footy
6. Karate-do & Taekwondo
7. Japanese sushi & Korean sushi
8. Sepak Takraw in Malaysia & Thailand
9. Mongolian wrestling & Manchu wrestling
10. Argentine Tango & Uruguay Tango & Ballroom Tango
11. Penang Peranakans & Malacca Peranakans & Singapore Peranakans


The spanish culture in America is part of American contemporary culture, they practice them in their day to day life. As I said you must makes distinction between contemporary culture and traditional culture. I don't think the Javanese in Malaysia would habitually dance "Reog" in their everyday life :nuts:, the case is different with Tango which is practiced as part of their modern life.

Do Javanese in modern Indonesia dance "Reog" or do "Wayang Kulit" in their everyday life then?

Do Javanese in modern Indonesia dance "Reog" or do "Wayang Kulit" in their everyday life then?

YES.....WE DO.....YOU COULD VISIT JOGJA IF YOU WANT TO SEE WAYANG KULIT...NOT IN THE TOURISM AREA OR RESORT LIKE IN MALAYSIA...
JUST IN MY VILLAGE...IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD....LIKE I SAID BEFORE...THIS IS PART OF OUR LIFE...NOT JUST TOURISM OBJECT

IF YOU WANT TO SEE REOG PONOROGO...I COULD GUIDE YOU VISIT PONOROGO IN EAST JAVA....AND YOU DON'T NEED GO TO RESORT OR TOURISM AREA TO SEE IT....

ARE YOU INTERESTING????????

YES.....WE DO.....YOU COULD VISIT JOGJA IF YOU WANT TO SEE WAYANG KULIT...NOT IN THE TOURISM AREA OR RESORT LIKE IN MALAYSIA...
JUST IN MY VILLAGE...IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD....LIKE I SAID BEFORE...THIS IS PART OF OUR LIFE...NOT JUST TOURISM OBJECT!!!!!!!

IF YOU WANT TO SEE REOG PONOROGO...I COULD GUIDE YOU VISIT PONOROGO IN EAST JAVA....AND YOU DON'T NEED GO TO RESORT OR TOURISM AREA TO SEE IT....

ARE YOU INTERESTING????????

Huaduh.... mas Danang.. your caps lock please....

soal promosi, gw komentar dikit...
malaysia emang tanpa ba bi bu, langsung incer pasar luar negeri..
kalo emang bule-bule itu ga banyak yang dateng, dibikin event internasional

Mereka bikin Sirkuit F1, langsung pas diresmikan tahun 1999 jadi sirkuit paling modern waktu itu.. kita masih krisis moneter.. :ohno: F1 secara ga langsung bikin turis asing seakan2 'dipaksa' untuk dateng, Singapura ga mau kalah.. mereka bikin juga yang lebih dahsyat :nuts:

dan Petronas iklan dimana - mana, iklan Air Asia juga dimana - mana..

Indonesia? hmm.. mungkin masih mengharapkan ada yang mampir ke Bali pulang dari nonton F1.. :dunno:

Good point mbak Nanda...makanya kita harus kreatif...
Kayak temen kita yang satu ini...
Ayo lengkapi.....1000 wonder of indonesia....

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=803042&page=5

^^ ...sayang M yang dimaksud kalo ga salah rumah judi Mansion...

http://www.albionroad.com/images/stories/uniforms/tottenham-hotspur-home-shirt.jpg



kenapa sayang?? Karena rumah judi Mansion? Ya biarin aja to... Toh nggak ada hubungannya dengan kita-kita kan..??

Huaduh.... mas Danang.. your caps lock please....

Kepencet bang...nanggung daripada pada ngetik lagi...yo wes...skalian aja...:lol:

kenapa sayang?? Karena rumah judi Mansion? Ya biarin aja to... Toh nggak ada hubungannya dengan kita-kita kan..??

maksudnya.... swasta juga sebenernya mampu kan pasang iklan di tim EPL... :cheers:
sayang yang masuk cuma rumah judi itu, gw yakin masih ada lagi yang bisa
masuk, kurang berani aja lagi... :nuts:

Do Javanese in modern Indonesia dance "Reog" or do "Wayang Kulit" in their everyday life then?

Hi lastresortes,

I'm East Javanese and East Java is motherland of Reog Dance.
If you're still curious please come to Ponorogo, East Java.
In Ponorogo almost each village has their own Reog groups.Also in schools, each elementary school through high school has their own Reog groups.They do the Reog dance since they was a toddler. :cheers:
The Reog dance is Ponorogonese soul.Yes,they practice it and you could find it in every village easily.

As well as the Wayang Kulit show,in my hometown Surabaya you can see the wayang kulit every weekends in local TV station TVRI Surabaya or JTV from late night untill dawn.
FYI Lastresortes,Wayang Kulit show is a common entertainment at the wedding party in Java.so we may say that YES,we Javanese still do Wayang Kulit show in daily live.

If my answer is not satisfied you,please come to the East Java and proved it by your self.We will be glad to welcome you.:hug:


*just contact me or mas Danang if you need a guide to Ponorogo though.;)

cuma info aja,untill september 2009 among our ASEAN neighbouring countries Malaysia is taking the first place for East Java tourist Visitors.:banana::banana:
http://www.beritajatim.com/detailnews.php/1/Ekonomi/2009-09-02/44086/Wisman_Malaysia_Dominasi_Kunjungan_di_Jatim

I think the same thing happened to West Java when Malaysian is flocked up into Bandung's distro and shops.:banana::banana:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/07/16/malaysians-flock-bandung-shop.html

ayo kawan,let's bring our neighbors come to Indonesia.

^^This simple sentence sums up everything Malaysia has to say to Indonesia:

1) Yes, pls accept that culture does move and spread to even another continent through human migration, and that there are so many cultural variations that you cannot simply say it's solely yours. Let culture fluorish the way it should instead of restricting others beyond your borders from practicing them.
2) and based on your example, so the world relates "cowboy" to the States more than to the Spaniards. We don't see Spaniards crying to the world and swearing wars to America. Spain only has itself to blame that America is doing better in popularizing the cowboy culture. Please enlighten me on the Spaniards' cowboy culture, if you may - because it's not as popular as the one by American.

Other examples of similar cultural variations shared by "different countries":
1. Chinese New Year & Korean Seollal
2. Chinese Mid-Autumn Festival & Korean Chuseok
3. Taiwanese hotspring culture & Japanese hotspring culture
4. Filipino dances & Hawaiian dances
5. American Football & Rugby & Australian Footy
6. Karate-do & Taekwondo
7. Japanese sushi & Korean sushi
8. Sepak Takraw in Malaysia & Thailand
9. Mongolian wrestling & Manchu wrestling
10. Argentine Tango & Uruguay Tango & Ballroom Tango
11. Penang Peranakans & Malacca Peranakans & Singapore Peranakans



Do Javanese in modern Indonesia dance "Reog" or do "Wayang Kulit" in their everyday life then?

karate rooted on kung fu while taekwondo rooted on taeguk

karate rooted on kung fu while taekwondo rooted on taeguk

That is indeed arguable even until today - some would argue that Taekwondo is originally Korean martial arts, while some say it actually adopts some techniques from Karate-do - you can see similarity in certain moves. When I was much younger, I couldn't tell the difference between Karate-do and Taekwondo based on their costumes.

Karate-do, on the other hand, doesn't deny that it adopts some forms of Chinese martial arts. But that doesn't make Karate-do any less Japanese. Both Karate-do and Taekwondo recruit more students around the world than the original Chinese martial arts - it's the power of "promotion", not the power of "who owns it" that make them flourish - just the way culture variations should prosper. Some Japanese martial arts weapons even originated from this part of the world, which is divided by the current national borders - the modern Indonesia and Malaysia.

^^did i talk to you?

^^seems like this ladyboy needs a brain extention. He needs a bit more brain to pump up her creativity so she can stop his 'copy&paste minded' tinywinylittle brain

sorry, i confuse to call 'him' or 'her' for this pinkypiggyladyboy
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or somebody must have stolen his head to put it on some tourism ads :lol:

Weeeh jgn gitu mas...ojo ngece....sante wae...ok mas...

Me and some indonesian forumers here are having some sensible discussions, I guess you can fuck off if you don't like the colours you see in my signature. And do you have a problem with homosexuals? Oh wow, your creativity is just limited to calling me names and shallow racism and close-mindedness. Try harder. Other forumers here must be ashamed that crooks like you even dare to speak about defending your culture.

If having a sensible and intellectual discussion here is too much for your peanut brain to handle, you can simply leave this forum and burn our flag in front of our embassy, if it helps you release your anger.

Be cool bro...don't used harsh word...lest discus like a civilized people...ok???
And why you not feedback my statement???

Be cool bro...don't used harsh word...lest discus like a civilized people...ok???
And why you not feedback my statement???

No worries, Danang. Let's continue our topic :)

In fact, I was trying to address that in our modern societies, there will certainly be some cultural practices that we don't do it "everyday", but which we do still cherish as part of our heritage. As much as I understand the Indonesians' point of view that the Javanese practise their culture every now and then, the Javanese descents in Malaysia should not be deprived of claiming attachment to their cultural heritage. They might not practise it as often as their Indonesian counterparts, but that doesn't make them less Javanese when it comes to blood ties. Imagine China were to stop all Chinese in overseas from practising their culture or calling any country that practise or promote the culture as thief, it would do more harm than good to the culture.

Rather than all the name-callings to Malaysia and hoo-hahs of claiming and patenting your culture, wouldn't it be better to take advantage of what Malaysia has already promoted by popularizing that culture in Indonesia? A recent example would be how Malacca and Penang actually ride on Singapore's efforts to publicise Peranakan culture - despite that Peranakan started in Malacca, Singapore says that Peranakan culture is uniquely Singapore. But there weren't much hoo-hahs from the Malaysia side, instead, both Penang and Malacca actually make use of what Singapore has promoted by telling the world that Penang and Malacca had preserved the authentic Peranakans culture and heritage better than Singapore. True enough, there are even many Singaporeans themselves who say, "why should I visit museums to learn more about Peranakan culture when I can visit Penang or Malacca to see it real".

I agree with you, while you can only see Reog and Wayang Kulit in some resorts/ museums in Malaysia, why not tell the world that you can see the authentic flavour of them in some parts of Indonesia, instead of creating unnecessary tensions with your neighbour.

Gw setuju dengan hasil Polling... BRUNEI DARUSSALAM:okay:

No worries, Danang. Let's continue our topic :)
In fact, I was trying to address that in our modern societies, there will certainly be some cultural practices that we don't do it "everyday", but which we do still cherish as part of our heritage. As much as I understand the Indonesians' point of view that the Javanese practise their culture every now and then, the Javanese descents in Malaysia should not be deprived of claiming attachment to their cultural heritage. They might not practise it as often as their Indonesian counterparts, but that doesn't make them less Javanese when it comes to blood ties. Imagine China were to stop all Chinese in overseas from practising their culture or calling any country that practise or promote the culture as thief, it would do more harm than good to the culture. .

Just I highlighted before, its about promotional tourism ad not about practising the culture.

When promoting the traditional culture of one place in tourism ad, you must be mindful about the ethics in promoting the culture. You simply can;t promote the culture that is not originated from you own place despite there are sizable population that have cultural heritage of those culture. Do Han Chinese in Taiwan or Singapore would promote Peking Chinese Opera in their tourism ad? They are all chinese, but well, certainly they would not dare to have the opera included in their tourism ad :ohno:

As I point out earlier, Chinese Peking Opera is categorized as traditional culture, just as Reog and Angklung are also traditional culture. Despite Overseas Chinese have share of cultural heritage of Chinese Peking Opera, Singapore can;t simply promote that in their tourism ad. The same goes to Malaysia, despite there are sizable Javanese sharing the cultural heritage of Reog and Sundanese sharing the cultural heritage of Angklung, the Malaysian government can't simply promote them in Malaysian tourism ad.

It would be different if it is about contemporary culture. For example, Noodle is part of Contemporary culture, eaten widely not only by the Chinese, but also by Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, and even Indonesian. Despite noodle is originated from China, Japanese can promote its Ramen in their tourism ad because it is part of their contemporary culture. The same thing also goes to Satay, do Indonesian having a fuss about Malaysian showing Satay in their ad? Nope.

And please also be mindful that the Malaysian government promote Reog and Angklung along other non-Malay culture as "Malay" cultural heritage. As you could read from the previous posts, Malaysian and Indonesian have different definition of "Malay", exarcebating the problem even further. This issues is similar to Chinese and Korean dispute about Goguryo Kingdom. Chinese Government labelled Goguryo as "Chinese Kingdom" based on their definition, and that invites outrage among Koreans that saw Goguryo as Korean Kingdom. The same thing also apply on Javanese and Sundanese from Indonesia who saw that Reog is Javanese cultural Heritage and Angklung is Sundanese cultural heritage. They would certainly be outraged seeing the Malaysian Government labelled them as "Malay"

Just I highlighted before, its about promotional tourism ad not about practising the culture.

When promoting the culture of one place in tourism ad, you must be mindful about the ethics in promoting the culture. You simply can;t promote the culture that is not originated from you own place despite there are sizable population have cultural heritage of those culture. Do Han Chinese in Taiwan or Singapore would promote Peking Chinese Opera in their tourism ad? They are all chinese, but well, certainly they would not dare to have the opera included in their tourism ad :ohno:

Not Bejing but definitely Cantonese opera is advertised in Singapore and Malaysia. Also Lion Dance, Indian Dances, Indian religious festival such as Thaipusam.
Taiwan's greatest tourism asset is the Imperial Emperors private collection taken from the Forbidden City in Beijing. They have a very good museum to display all the Chinese emperors private collection of treasures accumulated over many centuries. The Forbidden City palaces are empty and bare as the treasures are in Taipei

^^now go away!!
ur not welcome here..
die with ur POS as soon as possible

eh nek udah jangan emosi...
lo jangan bikin malu kita2 dong...
orang seperti elo lah yang bikin negara lain pikir bahwa negara kita adalah negara BODOH.

Just I highlighted before, its about promotional tourism ad not about practising the culture.

When promoting the traditional culture of one place in tourism ad, you must be mindful about the ethics in promoting the culture. You simply can;t promote the culture that is not originated from you own place despite there are sizable population that have cultural heritage of those culture. Do Han Chinese in Taiwan or Singapore would promote Peking Chinese Opera in their tourism ad? They are all chinese, but well, certainly they would not dare to have the opera included in their tourism ad :ohno:




I'm afraid I have to tell you, yes. Singapore does show Chinese Opera in some of their tourism ads. Not only that, it shows lion dances, dragon boating, and now they even consider putting the Chinese ghost festival in the ads. More so for Taiwan, where majority of Taiwanese are of Chinese descent. They dare, and they are proud about it to put it in their tourism ad, and nobody think there's anything wrong about promoting it as part of Taiwanese culture. If you don't believe me, check this out: http://www.mofa.gov.tw/public/Data/8723928153.jpg
note: it's from the Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. Do read the words in the ad as well.

On a side note, Chinese Opera has many variations, not just the Peking one. But to elaborate on that would take quite sometime, so I'll save it for now.

Not Bejing but definitely Cantonese opera is advertised in Singapore and Malaysia. Also Lion Dance, Indian Dances, Indian religious festival such as Thaipusam.
Taiwan's greatest tourism asset is the Imperial Emperors private collection taken from the Forbidden City in Beijing. They have a very good museum to display all the Chinese emperors private collection of treasures accumulated over many centuries. The Forbidden City palaces are empty and bare as the treasures are in Taipei

I doubt about Cantonese Opera....

As I should highlight, it is important to make distinction of Contemporary with Traditional culture. Lion Dance and Thaipusam is part of traditional as well as Contemporary overseas Chinese and Indian culture, they practise them regularly not because of tourism motive. While Reog and Angklung? Hm... I doubt it

Nenek Genit has been brigged for 10 days because of SSC violation rules - Insulting other members.

I hope the rest of members here, (Indonesian and Malaysian) can discussed the topic with civilised manner.

Cheers

^^ Cheers, David :)

I doubt about Cantonese Opera....

As I should highlight, it is important to make distinction of Contemporary with Traditional culture. Lion Dance and Thaipusam is part of traditional as well as Contemporary overseas Chinese and Indian culture, they practise them regularly not because of tourism motive. While Reog and Angklung? Hm... I doubt it

reog dance is known as tarian borongan in malaysia is part of the javanese culture in johor...the culture regularly practise among javanese people in johor especially in batu pahat and the rural area...for angklung, it is also regular use in malaysia. it is used in set to play music for entertainment. it is also used to accompany kuda kepang dance found in malaysian state johor. for your information malaysian schools also often have angklung orchestra in which each child plays an angklung of a different size, in a manner similar to a handbell choir.

angklung and reog/borongan dance is not just for symbol of tourist campaign but its true, there a lot of malaysian practice this culture as a part of their life...and no one can denied or change the fact that reog and angklung are origin from indonesia and malaysian government never claim that this culture is origin from malaysia..:)

Pasang surut hubungan negara serumpun unik
Oleh Zainul Arifin (Isnin, 07 September 2009)
http://www.bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Sunday/Rencana/20090905230600/Article

http://www.bharian.com.my/Sunday/Rencana/20090905230600/mainpix

KUALA LUMPUR Demonstrasi rakyat Indonesia di Jakarta mengecam Malaysia seakan sudah menjadi kebiasaan apabila setiap isu kecil dan remeh dijadikan sebab untuk mereka melepaskan kemarahan.

Malaysia, Indonesia perlu ikhlas ketepi sentimen jejas semangat setia kawan

SEORANG diplomat Malaysia di Indonesia pernah mengeluh kenapa rakyat Malaysia tidak ambil tahu mengenai perkara yang harus dilaluinya di Jakarta. Hampir setiap hari dia terpaksa melalui penunjuk perasaan yang berkumpul dengan sepanduk dan jeritan memarahi Malaysia.

Isunya pelbagai dan seakan-akan tiada apa yang kena mengenai Malaysia. Kalau tidak kisah kawasan yang sama-sama dituntut, seperti Sipadan, Ligitan dan Ambalat; ada protes konon rakyat Indonesia dianiaya, lagu mereka dicuri, dan kebelakangan ini pula dikatakan kita memberitahu dunia tarian mereka itu kita yang punya.

Maka bendera kita dibakar, laman web kita dicemar, dan telur tembelang dibaling ke kedutaan kita. Negara dan pemimpin kita dimaki hamun.

Kita dikenali sebagai lanun budaya, muka tidak malu mengaku hak orang hak kita.

Masih ada yang marahkan lagu kebangsaan kita, Negaraku. Kita tidak pernah menafikan melodinya diilhamkan oleh lagu Terang Bulan, dan jika sudah lebih 50 tahun diguna kenapa tiba-tiba banyak betul yang marah?

Saya amat bersimpati kepada diplomat berkenaan. Memang sedikit orang Malaysia yang tahu marah orang Indonesia yang berkumpul di luar kedutaan, kerana media kita jarang melaporkan perkara seperti itu.

Maka saya cadangkan beliau mengadu nasib kepada kementeriannya sendiri atau pun Kementerian Dalam Negeri, kerana pengamal media kerap diingati melalui teguran atau surat pekeliling supaya jangan melaporkan apa-apa yang negatif mengenai Indonesia, ataupun masalah hubungan Malaysia-Indonesia, kerana kita tidak mahu menjejas perhubungan dua hala.

Tetapi jelas tiada sebarang arahan wujud untuk media Indonesia, jika dilihat daripada laporan-laporan mereka.

Saya tidak tahu sudah berapa lama arahan kepada media kita supaya jangan buat Indonesia marah, tetapi setahu saya, sejak lebih dua dekad bekerja di surat khabar, arahan ini sudah wujud. Agaknya, sejak lepas tamat Konfrontasi pada 1960-an.

Apakah rakyat Malaysia tidak perlu tahu bagaimana negara dan mereka dilihat oleh jiran kita. Adakah mereka tidak perlu tahu Jalur Gemilang kita sengaja dijadikan abu? Perlukah hanya kita saja yang cuba menjaga hati orang lain?

Pasang surut hubungan negara serumpun unik
Oleh Zainul Arifin (Isnin, 07 September 2009)
http://www.bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Sunday/Rencana/20090905230600/Article


Maka saya cadangkan beliau mengadu nasib kepada kementeriannya sendiri atau pun Kementerian Dalam Negeri, kerana pengamal media kerap diingati melalui teguran atau surat pekeliling supaya jangan melaporkan apa-apa yang negatif mengenai Indonesia, ataupun masalah hubungan Malaysia-Indonesia, kerana kita tidak mahu menjejas perhubungan dua hala.

Tetapi jelas tiada sebarang arahan wujud untuk media Indonesia, jika dilihat daripada laporan-laporan mereka.

Saya tidak tahu sudah berapa lama arahan kepada media kita supaya jangan buat Indonesia marah, tetapi setahu saya, sejak lebih dua dekad bekerja di surat khabar, arahan ini sudah wujud. Agaknya, sejak lepas tamat Konfrontasi pada 1960-an.

Apakah rakyat Malaysia tidak perlu tahu bagaimana negara dan mereka dilihat oleh jiran kita. Adakah mereka tidak perlu tahu Jalur Gemilang kita sengaja dijadikan abu? Perlukah hanya kita saja yang cuba menjaga hati orang lain?

^^ Perbezaan media di Malaysia dan Indonesia..................

^^ Well, its not surprisingly new. Since the media here has more "freedom" and "rights"

The "freedom" which was not happening during Suharto era, thus the lack of confrotation between Indonesia and Malaysia during his era.

Sometimes, giving a media total "freedom" is really not a good idea. But in a positive way, its a good thing to court and review, the government action on their daily basis...

but if i may choose, I prefer a media during suharto era, where they report a quality instead of extravaganza news.

Cheers

Agree bro...

Istilahnya ya reformasi yg kebablasan............jadi aneh semuanya dibilang reformasi padahal banyak yg ngaco. Jaman dulu ada yg mengatur jadi lebih tertata

kalo ane sih promosi terus sama org sini, nanya terus liburan summer mo kemana? ke indo ga? dst2

Setuju bu.....makanya kompletin ini donk

100 wonder of indonesian heritage

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=803042&page=5

Thanks

Cowboy has deep historic roots from Spanish culture, but the cowboy culture of American is different from the Spanish one as the culture developed further. Just like much of Japanese and Korean culture has historic roots from Chinese culture, but the culture of the Japanese and Korean are only unique to them and different from the Chinese counterpart. It is just the natural process of cultural blend

In Malaysian case, I can see no difference between "Reog" shown in Malaysian ad with "Reog" I see in East Java nor do I could see any difference in other aspect of culture from Indonesia that brought to Malaysia.They are just 100% copy of the original one.

Malaysian do have culture that originated and developed natively there, for example the Peranakan culture, although has heavy influence from Chinese culture, they are indeed originated from Malaysia and could not be find in any other part of China.

The spanish culture in America is part of American contemporary culture, they practice them in their day to day life. As I said you must makes distinction between contemporary culture and traditional culture. I don't think the Javanese in Malaysia would habitually dance "Reog" in their everyday life :nuts:, the case is different with Tango which is practiced as part of their modern life.

"Tango which is practiced as part of their modern life".

mmmm..modern life? what do u mean by that? so u say that Tango is exception?. Tango is still a Tango and it is originally from Argentina and it is also part of American culture too, because in America they have big spanish speaking population same goes to Reog. There are a lot of javanese speaking in state of Johor.

this is an example tourism video from Albuquerque, New Mexico. I think this video feels more like spanish/latin than american.

<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ddxNjpc2I8g&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ddxNjpc2I8g&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

If Rafflesia Arnoldi could be found in the forest Malaysia and indonesia
This Papua Kangaroos, couldn't found there
This Kangaroos, Indonesian species endemic which can be found in National Park Wasur - Papua - Indonesia

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_miHkpyUn5No/Sa2Ah5hF9VI/AAAAAAAAA6c/wWlSbPLcZQw/s400/penangkaran-kangguru3.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bptmrp6Y_vc/SWvKnUohMeI/AAAAAAAABRs/sqLuv2JursI/s1600/Penangkaran%2BKangguru%2BTN%2BWasur.jpg

http://konservasipapua.blogspot.com/2009/01/foto-kangguru-di-taman-nasional-wasur.html
http://alamendah.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/kanguru-indonesia-di-papua/

Masih mending dari pada lo bisanya cuman ngatain tapi tdk melakukan apa2.
lo tuh yang GOBLOK....unless if you are one of them and no wonder if you said that.huh. :p
thanx bro, tp gw gak musuhan ama bangsa sendiri. gpp bola mo ngomong apa.
yg pasti pola pikir kita jngn sampe mau disetir ama mereka. kita punya cara pandang sendiri. look, mereka kesini utk memaksa kita..
from the one and only klonengan Nenek Genit

And this The snow mountain in Southeast Asia

Carstenz peak in Jayawijaya Mountain, Papua

http://welkis.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/02.jpg

http://www.kualakencana.com/images/mountpeak.jpg

http://www.lincolnhall.net/nss-folder/glaciers/IJ.1CarstenszSIce.20x.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3241/cartzendl0.jpg

http://www.themountainschool.com/Galleries/Carstensz/800x600/IMGP3717.JPG

Well, Malaysia is'nt Indonesia rival in Natural beauty and Cultural diversity

And this The only snow mountain in Southeast Asia

Carstenz peak in Jayawijaya Mountain, Papua

http://welkis.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/02.jpg

http://www.kualakencana.com/images/mountpeak.jpg

http://www.lincolnhall.net/nss-folder/glaciers/IJ.1CarstenszSIce.20x.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3241/cartzendl0.jpg

http://www.themountainschool.com/Galleries/Carstensz/800x600/IMGP3717.JPG

Well, Malaysia is'nt Indonesia rival in Natural beauty and Cultural diversity

no need to compete with indonesia in natural beauty or cultural diversity..each country has different attraction...and the mountain really beautiful indeed..:nuts:

Gw setuju dengan hasil Polling... BRUNEI DARUSSALAM:okay:

poling tak pernah bohong kecuali polingnya LSI :)..:)..:)......*canda boss
btw,malaysia no 2.hebat ya.tapi tahulah siapa2 yang ngevote.

poling tak pernah bohong kecuali polingnya LSI :)..:)..:)......*canda boss
btw,malaysia no 2.hebat ya.tapi tahulah siapa2 yang ngevote.

Udah ketauan ga nyontreng SBY...^^:lol: guyon lo dab...:lol:

Padahal ke brunei harus lewat malaysia, baik jalan darat, udara, laut, semuanya harus melintasi malaysia. Kenapa brunei di poll no.1??? padahal gak banyak yg terekspos dan gak banyak berita kaitan indonesia dg mereka.....tapi koq laris ya, gw aja milih brunei...

Padahal ke brunei harus lewat malaysia, baik jalan darat, udara, laut, semuanya harus melintasi malaysia. Kenapa brunei di poll no.1??? padahal gak banyak yg terekspos dan gak banyak berita kaitan indonesia dg mereka.....tapi koq laris ya, gw aja milih brunei...

Karena emang Brunei paling saik ma kita boss.paling anteng dah.gak songong,gak reselah pokoknya. kalau yg laen2 kan tahu ndiri laaah......
*maaf ya,yang laen gak boleh gondok lhoo :lol:.

Embassy ends pavement patrol

TOM ALLARD, JAKARTA

September 9, 2009


http://images.theage.com.au/2009/09/08/720532/Embassy-420x0.jpg
A guard conducts a search outside the embassy. Photo: Tom Allard

GUARDS employed by the Australian embassy in Jakarta have been searching the bags of pedestrians who use the public footpath outside the diplomatic mission in an extraordinary upgrade in security that left locals bemused and angered Indonesian officials.

Following a protest by Indonesia's foreign ministry late yesterday the embassy said it had ''discontinued the practice''.

Earlier yesterday a spokesman for Indonesia's department of foreign affairs, Teuku Faizasyah, said: ''It is not proper. That's a public area and should be controlled by the local government. The Australians should not be doing security outside the perimeter of the embassy.''

Mr Faizasyah said his department had sought a formal explanation from the embassy about the ''inappropriate'' security measures.

It was an assessment backed by several Jakartans interviewed by The Age.

''This is a public space,'' said Rahma, an aggrieved office worker who passes the embassy several times a day.

The only exception to the search policy was some Westerners and people carrying embassy identification.

According to Chrysnanda Dwi Laksana, a spokesman for the Jakarta police, the security measures were inappropriate.

''The search should only be applied to people who display suspicious behaviour,'' he said. ''I think it is overreaction, too much out of fear.''

The Australian embassy, on a busy thoroughfare in south Jakarta,was hit by a one-tonne truck bomb in 2004 that killed nine people and injured scores of others.

The attack was allegedly masterminded by fugitive terrorist Noordin Mohamad Top.

Noordin - who remains at large - is also believed to have orchestrated the July bombings of two luxury hotels in nearby Megakuningan.

Others involved in the suicide bombings of the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels are also understood to have been involved in the Australian embassy bombing, including Urwah, who was imprisoned for aiding the embassy bombing but returned to Noordin's terrorist cell after serving a 3½ -year sentence.

A new, ''bomb-proof'' embassy is to be built in Jakarta at a cost of $415 million. The complex, to house 14 federal government agencies and almost 400 staff, is due for completion in 2014.

Daeng,you have to be more comprehensive in studying the history of other country.:lol:
Daeng,bila teragak-agak pasal history lain negara sila kau buat soalan kat cikgu kau lar.xyah banyak cakap pasal history Indonesia bila kau tak paham betul ngan pasal tu.

Okay you may say that 70 years a go there is no Indonesia as a sovereign nation.but yes,70 years ago there is Indonesia as the nation entity.
in the year 1928 which is more than 80 years ago!!! many elements in Indonesia,such as Jong Java,Jong Sumatera,Jong Celebes,Jong Ambon,even Chinese and Arabic youth united and declare the Sumpah Pemuda (youth oath) in October 1928 Which one of it verse reads: We are sons and daughters of Indonesia claimed one nation, the Indonesian nation.
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumpah_Pemuda


so you're wrong if you say 70 years a go, Indonesia does not exist.:bash:
we're already exist as a nation enthity my dear friend.sory to say but we are -Indonesia nation- has existed since we called the "East Indies", or even since the days of the Majapahit kingdom or perhaps even longer than that.
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majapahit



come on,puhh..liiisssss.......what a weird statement.:ohno:
Daeng,you can't say by admitting Javanese culture as the culture of Indonesia then Indonesia robing javanesse culture.very strange statement of you.
Javanese originated from the Java Island and last time I check the island of Java still reside in Indonesia territory.:lol:
or other simple example, if Australia government said that boomerang belong to Australia then does it mean Australia has robbed aboriginal culture????:nuts:

I'am javanese and I'm proud javanesse culture enriched Indonesian culture along with houndreds of another -Indonesia archiplelago originated- cultures. :cheers:

errm, pulau jawa was also onces part of the neitherland empire, does that not mean that the javanese culture was onces owned by the dutch..

the question is who own the culture, is the lion dance is owned by the Chinese people or THE PEOPLE REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

or should we also include republic of china, and the various empire from 5000 b.c. to the list

If Rafflesia Arnoldi could be found in the forest Malaysia and indonesia
This Papua Kangaroos, couldn't found there
This Kangaroos, Indonesian species endemic which can be found in National Park Wasur - Papua - Indonesia

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_miHkpyUn5No/Sa2Ah5hF9VI/AAAAAAAAA6c/wWlSbPLcZQw/s400/penangkaran-kangguru3.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bptmrp6Y_vc/SWvKnUohMeI/AAAAAAAABRs/sqLuv2JursI/s1600/Penangkaran%2BKangguru%2BTN%2BWasur.jpg

http://konservasipapua.blogspot.com/2009/01/foto-kangguru-di-taman-nasional-wasur.html
http://alamendah.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/kanguru-indonesia-di-papua/

it can also be found in the neighboring country of papua new guiney.:)

judi only legal for non muslim dan jika muslim akan ditangkap...tapi pastinya ada muslim yang melakukanya..... di indonesia juga begitu bukan???? kamu kene faham dat almost 40% of malaysian adalah non muslim..... dan ternak babi hanya dibiayai oleh company2 berbangsa cina...tapi yeah goverment malaysia pastninya involved kerana mereka harus memastikan ianya dijalankan dengan betul tanpa menyingung perasaan org2 muslim!!!!.....i think di indonesia juga begitu......so plz get ur fact correct...

Judi di Indonesia gak dilegalkan, semua judi apapun bentuknya dilarang. Tapi banyak warga baik muslim/non muslim yg berjudi, sehingga sering terdengar penggerebegan oleh polisi. Bagi orang indonesia yg banyak duit dan gemar judi biasanya pergi keluar negri untuk memenuhi hobi-nya.

Kenapa sih dalam diskusi seperti ini selalu aja agama diikutsertakan???
Mau muslim kek, mau atheis kek, budha atau apa pun kepercayaan elo, there is no relationship with this discussion... Oke??

Tahu nggak, di Indonesia yang tercinta ini, judi dilarang tapi korupsi merajalela... So what is the point of this opinion?

Bagi gue, judi itu dosa kalau kalah, kalau menang nggak ada istilahnya dosa, yang ada semua minta duit hasilnya (alias bagi-bagi dong.... kalau nggak bagi-bagi, itu juga dosa...) :lol::lol:

Ikutin venantio aja, gak perlu bawa bawa agamalah
Prostitusi seperti halnya judi dilarang beredar di Indonesia. Tapi mereka tetap marak secara ilegal, makanya sering terjadi penggerebekan.
Tidak ada poin yg ditonjolkan dg dilarangnya judi dan prostitusi di indonesia cuma memberi info ke penanya yg mungkin dari negara tetangga.

then prostitution is legal in your so called majority muslim country..

i heard there is the biggest one...

think ur country real muslim?.

:lol::lol:

you will get a warning for your statement above.. :ohno:

mod?

capek....

walaupun sebagiaan besar pulau kalimantan masuk wilayah indonesia,coba perhatikan negara tetangga kita yang satu ini mereka seolah olah menyatakan bahwa bahwa seluruh kalimantan adalah milik mereka

http://www.abctours.com.my/


Stop creating unnecessary tensions - which part of the website actually says or implies that Kalimantan belongs to Malaysia? Point to me pls. It is merely a website to promote Borneo's tourism, especially of Sabah & Sarawak and some parts of Brunei Darussalam. Give the poor island a break!

I can't believe you launched your allegations without reading the website thoroughly - it's sheer hatred. Like-minded people who read your post would have been furious and lashed out without doing some simple thinking.

... and I even found this statement in the website, pls ask around if you don't understand what it means:

Approximately 16 million people live on the island of Borneo, which is shared by Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei Darussalam. The island's population is comparatively low for the region, owing largely to the fact that up until a few decades ago, Borneo was completely covered by dense rainforest with poor soil for agriculture.

Setuju bang....
Kita harus belajar mengeluarkan statement berdasarkan fakta gan...

^^ Danang, we should all be in bed by now! ;) I gotta go, having an early day tomorrow.

errm, pulau jawa was also onces part of the neitherland empire, does that not mean that the javanese culture was onces owned by the dutch..

the question is who own the culture, is the lion dance is owned by the Chinese people or THE PEOPLE REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

or should we also include republic of china, and the various empire from 5000 b.c. to the list

so every culture on the world is belong to first human on earth, right?

errm, pulau jawa was also onces part of the neitherland empire, does that not mean that the javanese culture was onces owned by the dutch..

the question is who own the culture, is the lion dance is owned by the Chinese people or THE PEOPLE REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

or should we also include republic of china, and the various empire from 5000 b.c. to the list

wah ni si otong kagak ade kapok2nya ye.naga-naganya doi ngajak brantem mulu neh.heran gw ma tangga kita nyang atu enih.

@mas danang,tu liat ndiri pan,mreke aje yg kagak ade capek2nye.senenge ngajak padu trus.ki piye mas?jadi ojo nyalahke wong Indonesia.lha wong deweke sing ngajak padhu terus.

Daeng,What I explain to you last time is the answer to your statement which doubting the existence of entities Indonesia 70 years ago.

and your doubts are indisputable because the entity of Indoensia as a united nation has existed more than 80 years ago.so talking about Indonesia enthity you're just wrong.

Javanese culture certainly is not owned by the Dutch more over the Dutch is colonizers.

The other way,Javanese and other ethnics in the Indonesian archipelago has declared voluntarily united in a single nation, Bangsa Indonesia.so, if speak about Javanese culture you will speak about Indonesia, if speak about Minang culture you will speak about Indonesia, if speak about Moluccas cultural you will speak about Indonesia since all these culture are originated from Indonesia and more important is because we're all one nation.

of course javanese culture could be practiced by anyone and anywhere but the core of the problem for this is malaysia seems to greedy to take advantage of those cultures brought from Indonesia to malaysia.

despite the fact that culture is not significantly practiced and unauthentic,malaysia made the javanese culture as if it's belonged to their country solely for tourism business profits without regard to ethics and neighborly relations manners.

Setuju bang....
Kita harus belajar mengeluarkan statement berdasarkan fakta gan...

http://upload.kapanlagi.com/images/thumb/20090910033431_borneo_4aa811577430a.jpg

wah iya ya mas danang,ternyata faktanya Borneo itu memang cuma ada sabah,sarawak sama brunei ya.baru tahu saya.

^^ People are not obligated to promote Indonesia you see. It's obvious these business people only focus on bringing their clients/ customers to Sabah, Sarawak and Brunei. Pls have some common sense. They are not telling lies - It can well be 4. The people and culture of Kalimantan. But if they do not bring their customers there, why should they put it there? Again, pls have some common sense and stop making a big fuss out of anything to everything.

walaupun sebagiaan besar pulau kalimantan masuk wilayah indonesia,coba perhatikan negara tetangga kita yang satu ini mereka seolah olah menyatakan bahwa bahwa seluruh kalimantan adalah milik mereka

http://www.abctours.com.my/

????? :ohno::ohno::ohno: ?????? wats wrong with u????

Australia probes journalist killings in East Timor
The Associated Press , Sydney, Australia | Thu, 09/10/2009 7:48 AM | World

Australia hopes it relations with Indonesia won't be damaged by its launch of a war crimes investigation into the 1975 killing of five Australian-based journalists during an attack by Indonesian forces in East Timor, the Australian foreign minister said Thursday.

The Australian Federal Police probe announced Wednesday comes two years after an Australian coroner investigating the deaths found they were deliberate and probably ordered by senior Indonesian officers.

The coroner's findings contradicted the Indonesian and Australian governments' official version of events: that the journalists were killed accidentally in a crossfire between Indonesian troops and East Timorese defenders.

Foreign Minister Stephen Smith said he told the Indonesian ambassador in Canberra on Wednesday that the decision to investigate was not made by his government but by independent police chiefs.

"There's no point beating about the bush; Indonesia is surprised by this decision," Smith told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio. "We don't regard these as issues that will disturb the fundamentals of the relationship."

The findings by New South Wales state deputy coroner Dorelle Pinch in 2007 strained Australia-Indonesia diplomatic ties because it named three former senior officers of Indonesia's special military forces who likely ordering the killings, and suggested they should face possible war crimes charges.

Indonesia's Foreign Ministry spokesman Teuku Faizasyah warned that the new investigation could obstruct bilateral relations.

"We are forward looking in our approach in our bilateral relations with Australia and we don't want to see this issue become another hurdle on how we approach the bilateral relations," Faizasyah told ABC radio in an interview broadcast Thursday.

The bodies of the five journalists - two Australians, two Britons and a New Zealander known as the "Balibo five" - were found burned in the East Timorese town of Balibo. Indonesian special forces and their East Timorese proxies attacked the town Oct. 16, 1975.

Pinch investigated the death of Brian Peters, 29, a British-born cameraman working for an Australian television network. Pinch - who heard evidence from witnesses and viewed secret intelligence documents during the six-week inquest - concluded Peters was killed by members of the Indonesian Special Forces to prevent him from revealing that the commandos participated in the Balibo attack.

Indonesia invaded East Timor after the small half island descended into civil war following the end of Portuguese colonial rule. Indonesia's invasion plans were secret at the time, and direct involvement of Indonesian troops in operations in East Timor was highly sensitive.

The coroner, required to make findings only on Peters, said it was impossible to separate the death of one of the journalists from the others and that her conclusions applied equally to all of them.

The other journalists were Malcolm Rennie, 28, from Britain, Australians Gregory Shackleton, 29, and Tony Stewart, 21, and 27-year-old New Zealander Gary Cunningham.

Pinch's investigation was referred to Australia's attorney general, who then turned the case over to the federal police in January 2008. The agency said it waited until Aug. 20 to launch an investigation and notified the journalists' families Tuesday.

If sufficient evidence of criminal acts is found, the police will ask the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions to consider charges.

The announcement of the police investigation comes one month after the release of the film "Balibo," which depicts the journalists being shot on the orders of Indonesian army officers. The film will be screened at the Toronto International Film Festival this weekend.

^^ People are not obligated to promote Indonesia you see. It's obvious these business people only focus on bringing their clients/ customers to Sabah, Sarawak and Brunei. Pls have some common sense. They are not telling lies - It can well be 4. The people and culture of Kalimantan. But if they do not bring their customers there, why should they put it there? Again, pls have some common sense and stop making a big fuss out of anything to everything.

If they aren't telling lies, then they should tell the truth that Borneo's culture and groups:

1. People of Brunei;
2. People of Sabah, Malaysia;
3. People of Sarawak, Malaysia;
4. People of Kalimantan, Indonesia

If they aren't telling lies, then they should tell the truth that Borneo's culture and groups:

1. People of Brunei;
2. People of Sabah, Malaysia;
3. People of Sarawak, Malaysia;
4. People of Kalimantan, Indonesia

Those are links, darling. Do you even know the purpose of having a link? If they don't intend to bring their customers to Kalimantan, what's the purpose of putting a link there? By the way, please scroll up that same page and read again:

Approximately 16 million people live on the island of Borneo, which is shared by Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei Darussalam. The island's population is comparatively low for the region, owing largely to the fact that up until a few decades ago, Borneo was completely covered by dense rainforest with poor soil for agriculture. This, combined with rugged terrain, unnavigable rivers and the fierce head-hunter reputation of its inhabitants, ensured that the island remained underdeveloped for many years, giving Borneo a legendary mystique as one of the most mysterious and exotic places on Earth.

I realise there are so many people who don't have even the slightest of common sense. They are constantly ready to pick a fight.

Malaysia and the stolen Indonesian culture
By MARIO RUSTAN

AT FIRST I thought it was a slow news day. When a news programme was broadcasting an item titled “Indonesian culture robbed by Malaysia”, I watched it in mute mode, admiring scenes of Chinese girls eating laksa and going shopping, in another Malaysia tourism video.

The next day, the stealing claim seemed justified. The stolen culture in question was the Pendet dance from Bali, which in no way would reach Malaysia through shared Malayan culture or through Javanese and Bugis migrants.

Until today, voices condemning Malaysia are still being aired, with professors and political scientists saying Malaysia has no indigenous culture and thus has some sort of inferiority complex, and thus is stealing Indonesian culture.

Furthermore, many learned Indonesians sneer at Malaysia’s tourism slogan, “Truly Asia”, saying that it’s nonsense and proves that Malaysia has no true identity.

This newspaper, however, pointed out that “Truly Asia” means that Malaysia is a one-stop destination for tourists wishing to see Southeast Asian, Chinese and Indian cultures.

Some Indonesian condemners may still be unaware of Malaysia’s multiple-ethnicities, while others may deliberately ignore it and feel more comfortable with the view that Malaysia is a Malay nation.

As for the Pendet case, it turns out the video was made by a private production house that just copied and pasted several fun tourism images, without any intention of malice.

I found proof about the “Truly Asia” slogan on my arrival at Kuala Lumpur: The taxi got lost and I couldn’t get through to my friend’s phone *– at sunrise on an empty suburban road. I tried to ask for directions from several strangers.

The first one were an elderly Chinese couple who didn’t speak English or Malay.

The second were a couple of Indian garbage men who spoke broken English. The Malay taxi driver preferred to talk in English as our Malay dialects were incomprehensible to each other.

Finally he got the address from a Malay youth. I found the house in time for breakfast, ready to feast on wonderful Malaysian food, such as laksa and nasi lemak, and drinks like teh tarik and susu bandung.

Many Indonesians in Malaysia must consume an unfunny old joke. In the courtyard before the Petronas Tower one night, my host said we should avoid the dark spots otherwise we could be robbed by “your countrymen”.

This newspaper had received some complaints from Malaysians that said the Indonesian media and people never talked about the violent crimes carried out by Indonesians in Malaysia.

We retaliated by pointing out that Noordin Mohammad Top is a Malaysian national, and some have even gone so far to suggest that he was planted by the Malaysian government to ruin the Indonesian tourism industry.

In fact, there is no culture war and no tourism war between Malaysia and Indonesia. Malaysia’s biggest rival in attracting tourists is Singapore, and thus Malaysia’s promos offer similar things that Singapore offers – vibrant nightlife, glorious food, Formula 1 racing and great shopping experiences.

Do our tourism promos cover those things? Malaysians count Singapore as their dreadful rival, and hardly think of Indonesia, which is on a different class.

Indonesia’s hatred for Malaysia has been around since the 1960s, probably earlier. Malaysia is the political opposite of Indonesia. It had good relations with its British coloniser, it is a federation, a parliamentary monarchy, and it is never interested in socialism.

After peace returned with the creation of the Asean bloc, both governments tried to convince the people that Indonesians and Malaysians were brothers of the same stock.

This effort held until the 21st century, when Malaysian economic progress left Indonesian behind, and more learned Indonesians are embracing Sukarno-style zero-sum nationalism.

The real story is still the same after 40 years – distract one’s woes by creating and hating a foreign enemy.

As often stressed by other writers, some cultural items that we have claimed were “robbed” by Malaysia are not exclusively Indonesian.

Batik is a common throughout Southeast Asia, and a top batik brand wrote in its coffee table book that batik had been influenced for centuries by Chinese, Indian, Arabic, European and Japanese designs.

Musical instruments like the angklung and gamelan are also common throughout South East Asia.

Wayang is hardly Indonesian – the hide puppets originated from mainland South East Asia, and there are similar storytelling arts in China, Japan and Europe. When Miss Indonesia dressed as Srikandi, she dressed as a Hindu – and Indian – character still revered religiously in India and Malaysia.

As for the disputed isles, I think it’s ridiculous if white collar men in Jakarta could get upset reading the news about Ambalat, and yet the next minute they are making backstabbing remarks about fellow Indonesians from outside Java.

Disputed territories are hardly unique – Japanese and Koreans fight over a rock and on the naming of the sea between their nation and Cambodia had an anti-Thai riot because of a temple located nearby the modern borderlines.

We claim Malaysia has an inferiority complex, and yet the problem is our own. Of course, Malaysia is guilty of ignorance and laziness in making its tourism commercials, but it’s pointless and confusing to dwell on one objectionable frame and continue to fuss about it.

We accuse Malaysia of disrespecting us because deep inside we feel that our supposed “brother” has left us behind with its decent standard of living, global brands (eg Air Asia, Maxis, Petronas and Michelle Yeoh) and good investment reputation.

Russians have had similar problems with former USSR states, and Chinese netizens have grudges with the Japanese and Americans.

In all three cases, past history is always offered for justification of hatred, as we’re closing in to 2010. But Malaysia is also having similar internal strife.

As its Chinese and Indian populations become more politically involved, harassment and foul plays also increase.

Malaysian politicians have become increasingly comical and ridiculous in acting as defenders of Muslims and Malays, and its political and religious freedoms are far below Indonesia.

Flying the Indonesian flag on your product and wallpaper, while condemning Malaysia on your Twitter and T-shirt, won’t solve anything.

Malaysia never thinks about those tourism commercials and they know that Noordin Mohammad Top is a Malaysian hiding in Indonesia because he couldn’t survive in Malaysia.

We can accept that the crime rate in Indonesia is high – so it makes sense that many Indonesians in Malaysia are involved in violent crimes.

If you want more tourists to visit Indonesia, stop sending the message that you dislike foreigners. If you want Pertamina to become a global brand like Petronas, and to have Formula One held in Indonesia, study and follow their steps. If you find an item on the Internet demeaning Indonesia, ignore it and move on with your own priorities.

Stop getting so angry about trivial things so easily when we have potential to do great things for ourselves. — Asia News Network/Jakarta Post

Indonesia’s hatred for Malaysia has been around since the 1960s, probably earlier. Malaysia is the political opposite of Indonesia. It had good relations with its British coloniser, it is a federation, a parliamentary monarchy, and it is never interested in socialism.
I dont think we ever cared about those four points.....
Batik is a common throughout Southeast Asia, and a top batik brand wrote in its coffee table book that batik had been influenced for centuries by Chinese, Indian, Arabic, European and Japanese designs.

Musical instruments like the angklung and gamelan are also common throughout South East Asia.

Wayang is hardly Indonesian – the hide puppets originated from mainland South East Asia, and there are similar storytelling arts in China, Japan and Europe
Painted textile/cloths, music instruments, puppets and storytelling are developed by all races over the whole world. Of course, our culture is influenced by other countries and cultures, because of international trade, thats why we have Bhudism, Hinduism, Islam and Protestantism and Catholism in our country. But everything which was born/has its origins/was developed in Indonesia is typicaly Indonesian. Angklung has its origins in Jawa-Barat, and nowhere else, also not in East-Java or North-Kalimantan. Gamelan which has its origins in Padang are developed by the Minangkabau, not by the Sundanese, Balinese, Malaysians or Thais....

I dont know who this mario is, but i think we dont need to take him seriously...

I dont know who this mario is, but i think we dont need to take him seriously...

Mario Rustan itu sama aja kayak Riyadi Suparno.orang sini sih tapi mereka kerja untuk asia news network/the jakarta post jadi harap maklum kalau tulisannya agak2 menyinggung perasaan orang sini.

Those are links, darling. Do you even know the purpose of having a link? If they don't intend to bring their customers to Kalimantan, what's the purpose of putting a link there? By the way, please scroll up that same page and read again:

Approximately 16 million people live on the island of Borneo, which is shared by Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei Darussalam. The island's population is comparatively low for the region, owing largely to the fact that up until a few decades ago, Borneo was completely covered by dense rainforest with poor soil for agriculture. This, combined with rugged terrain, unnavigable rivers and the fierce head-hunter reputation of its inhabitants, ensured that the island remained underdeveloped for many years, giving Borneo a legendary mystique as one of the most mysterious and exotic places on Earth.



If so, then it is enough and good...

^^ Yes...After this pliz read carefully b4 you want to make another issue.

this is what my freind want to say (from Malaysia forum)
we, java people in malaysia is not belongs to indonesia. yes we may come from the same roots. the same land. the same ancestor. even we share the same dialect and culture. but, is it sin for us to have it, practice it, or even tell the world that it's our tradition, from our ancestors that we still practice even until now?

yes, i admit that those people in indonesia has completely assimilate with negara bangsa indonesia. but, here.... we're not indonesian. our great grand father come here before the sumpah pemuda or the pledge that indonesian did. they don't rob these culture from the indonesia. they own it. it's the java people culture. belongs to them, belongs to us... i'm javanese myself. but i'm malaysian. and it's my rights to practice those culture and my people practice it... tell the people that we have this culture. and we don't have to tell the world that it's belong to indonesia. it's belongs to us. the java people, wether it's java in indonesia or java in malaysia.

i think the real people who really hurt now is not the indonesian, but us the java people in malaysia. it's like those indonesian deny that the java tradition, cultures, language not belongs to us too.

sorry...it's just my humble opinion.

And you should know that more than 1 million (and maybe much more than that) of Malaysian are Javanese which most of them are concentrated in Selangor and Johor state.

just want to share with you guys....

I dont think we ever cared about those four points.....

Painted textile/cloths, music instruments, puppets and storytelling are developed by all races over the whole world. Of course, our culture is influenced by other countries and cultures, because of international trade, thats why we have Bhudism, Hinduism, Islam and Protestantism and Catholism in our country. But everything which was born/has its origins/was developed in Indonesia is typicaly Indonesian. Angklung has its origins in Jawa-Barat, and nowhere else, also not in East-Java or North-Kalimantan. Gamelan which has its origins in Padang are developed by the Minangkabau, not by the Sundanese, Balinese, Malaysians or Thais....

I dont know who this mario is, but i think we dont need to take him seriously...

no, this Mr. Mario has got it right. You want to help your country? Then help by studying and engage in a healthy competition with the Malaysians. Yelling those disgusting words won't do anything but damage Indonesia's image as a hospitable country to the world.

We got other things to worry about than a stupid TV commercial. i.e eliminating poverty, putting corruptors in jail, increase quality of education, increase growth, infastructure, improve investment climate, stop sectarian violence, racism, terrorism, security, equitable growth, decentralisation, fundamentalism, etc and so much more......

we got a whole book of problems, and we as a nation decide to put our energy and spirit in this misleading issue? this is a joke....

IMO, this is merely a government's scheme to direct attention away from what REALLY MATTERS to triviAL STUPID things like cultural copyrights..

yes, the malay tari pendet commercial may represent a loss of potential revenue and growth, BUT we will be better off if we direct our attention to things that concern us more in the future.

At the end of the day, it is not the country that yells out with blind nationalism that wins, but the country that has the brain and the economic power...this is the law of the 21st century.

^^ Yes...After this pliz read carefully b4 you want to make another issue.

this is what my freind want to say (from Malaysia forum)


And you should know that more than 1 million (and maybe much more than that) of Malaysian are Javanese which most of them are concentrated in Selangor and Johor state.

just want to share with you guys....

just a matter of opinion dude, im also a a javanese, and i think im indonesian, just like a chinese descendant in US for example, wether they still be chinese or US citizen, is their matters, they can do their culture, but, please call it properly, no one ever said that barongsai is from indonesia when indonesian chinese practice it to celebrate something

no, this Mr. Mario has got it right. You want to help your country? Then help by studying and engage in a healthy competition with the Malaysians. Yelling those disgusting words won't do anything but damage Indonesia's image as a hospitable country to the world.

We got other things to worry about than a stupid TV commercial. i.e eliminating poverty, putting corruptors in jail, increase quality of education, increase growth, infastructure, improve investment climate, stop sectarian violence, racism, terrorism, security, equitable growth, decentralisation, fundamentalism, etc and so much more......

we got a whole book of problems, and we as a nation decide to put our energy and spirit in this misleading issue? this is a joke....

IMO, this is merely a government's scheme to direct attention away from what REALLY MATTERS to triviAL STUPID things like cultural copyrights..

yes, the malay tari pendet commercial may represent a loss of potential revenue and growth, BUT we will be better off if we direct our attention to things that concern us more in the future.

At the end of the day, it is not the country that yells out with blind nationalism that wins, but the country that has the brain and the economic power...this is the law of the 21st century.

yes, but its ours, no matter how small, and i agree that we have bigger problems, but we shouldnt turn a blind eye to this case, I can accept if those javanese there do reog for example, but it still from java island, from javanese, please dont call it malaysian *if you were*

yes, but its ours, no matter how small, and i agree that we have bigger problems, but we shouldnt turn a blind eye to this case, I can accept if those javanese there do reog for example, but it still from java island, from javanese, please dont call it malaysian *if you were*

for ur information we never mansion reog, rase sayang and what else indonesia origin cultural from malaysia...but yes, there is a lot of people practice this cultural in malaysia as their heritage cultural...

just a matter of opinion dude, im also a a javanese, and i think im indonesian, just like a chinese descendant in US for example, wether they still be chinese or US citizen, is their matters, they can do their culture, but, please call it properly, no one ever said that barongsai is from indonesia when indonesian chinese practice it to celebrate something

yes, it absolutely origin from Indonesia. We just practice it and may be show to the world the culture that we practice. And we never say it originally come from our country. i really do not know where the source u get that our country CLAIM ur dance, culture, song or anything :bash:. We never said that

again and again

Emha: Malaysia Salah Klaim

Kompa/Benny Dwi Koestanto
Kelompok Kiai Kanjeng pimpinan Emha Ainun Nadjib mengajak tiga biarawati dari Gereja Albertus Agung Jetis, Yogyakarta.
/Rabu, 9 September 2009 | 18:45 WIB
GRESIK, KOMPAS.com — Budayawan Emha Ainun Nadjib menyatakan, tindakan Pemerintah Malaysia yang mengakui beberapa budaya asli Indonesia menjadi miliknya itu dianggap salah klaim.

"Dan ironisnya Pemerintah Indonesia hingga kini belum memiliki kebijakan untuk menyelesaikannya," kata Cak Nun, sapaan akrab Emha Ainun Nadjib, saat dikonfirmasi seusai tampil di Alun-alun Gresik bersama grup musik Kiai Kanjeng, Rabu (9/9).

Cak Nun mencontohkan, orang asli Lamongan menjual soto di Hawaii, memang ketika diidentifikasi secara hukum sah apabila soto tersebut disebut soto hawaii, tetapi salah jika soto tersebut diklaim milik Hawaii.

Sama kasusnya dengan klaim yang dilakukan Malaysia, katanya, reog di Malaysia sah secara hukum apabila disebut reog malaysia.

"Tidak menjadi masalah ketika reog malaysia copyright atau hak ciptanya Malaysia. Salahnya, ketika reog tersebut diklaim milik Malaysia. Reognya itu tetap milik Ponorogo," kata Cak Nun.

Lebih lanjut, dijelaskannya, Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (SBY) dianggap Cak Nun tidak memiliki kemampuan menyelesaikan kasus ini. Terbukti, ketika Cak Nun bertandang ke kediaman SBY di Cikeas Kabupaten Bogor, Jawa Barat, beberapa waktu lalu, SBY belum memiliki kebijakan.

"Sudah saya cek ke Cikeas, Presiden menjawab, pihaknya belum mempunyai policy (kebijakan) sebab ini masalah hukum internasional," kata Cak Nun menirukan SBY.

Cak Nun menilai kasus ini lebih dari sekadar hukum internasional, tetapi masalah martabat bangsa Indonesia yang telah diinjak-injak. Disebutkan, beragam hubungan dengan luar negeri, mulai dari hubungan yuridis, hukum internasional, hubungan diplomatik, hubungan kebudayaan, dan lain-lain.

"Seorang lelaki menyatakan cintanya kepada seorang wanita saja ada puluhan cara, kenapa negara kita menghadapi kasus ini tidak punya cara?" katanya.

Menurut Cak Nun, setiap masalah harus merefleksikan kecerdasan untuk menentukan formula solusinya. Sayangnya, Cak Nun enggan ketika dimintai contoh konkret cara tersebut.

"Jika saya diberi wewenang untuk menyelesaikan kasus Malaysia, saya bakal ngomong kepada pemberi wewenang tersebut, bukan di forum ini," katanya.



^^ how can ur media is very stupid..... u really think we really like to CLAIM ur culture, this and that...how can.... and the worst, most people beleive on it :bash:

Blinkblink, stop posting PROVOCATIVE article. thats ur first and last warning

cheers

for ur information we never mansion reog, rase sayang and what else indonesia origin cultural from malaysia...but yes, there is a lot of people practice this cultural in malaysia as their heritage cultural...

yes, it absolutely origin from Indonesia. We just practice it and may be show to the world the culture that we practice. And we never say it originally come from our country. i really do not know where the source u get that our country CLAIM ur dance, culture, song or anything :bash:. We never said that

maybe in our eyes, using it for promotion is indirect claim

well in my eyes, this fucked up situation is G to G fault

well in my eyes, this fucked up situation is G to G fault

i agree with you bro...

Susilo against 'Sweeping Malaysian' campaign
2009/09/11

By Shuhada Elis and Alang Bendahara

KUALA LUMPUR: A day after the Malaysian government conveyed its concerns over the “Sweeping Malaysian” vigilante campaign in Indonesia, Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono yesterday described his citizens’ action as “excessive”.

Susilo said the campaign was against the law and would put ties between Indonesia and Malaysia at risk.

On Tuesday, Indonesian activists of Relawan Ganyang Malaysia had conducted a raid on a street in Central Jakarta, hunting for Malaysians. They did not find any.

The Jakarta Post quoted Susilo as saying that the Indonesian government had done its part by sending protest notes and taking diplomatic action.

“We are working, and the Eminent Persons Group (a group established to improve Indonesia-Malaysia ties) is working. Why does there have to be such excessive action?” he had said while opening a plenary cabinet meeting at the Presidential Office yesterday.

He also reminded the nation that about 1.8 million Indonesian citizens were currently working, living or studying in Malaysia, and that “sweeping” the streets for Malaysians could harm their presence.

“Let’s think about how to manage problems more wisely. On principal issues like territorial boundary, we have to be firm.

“On the Ambalat dispute, on things related to national sovereignty, we’re being firm.

“On other issues, I believe there is still a better way out — good solutions that don’t need to involve violent actions that are against the law, moreover during Ramadan,” the president said.

Although the Malaysian government has not issued any ban on travel to Indonesia following the campaign there, Malaysians are taking precautions by cancelling their holidays to the republic.

Tour agencies are reporting “thousands of ringgit” in losses.

The agencies have been recording cancellations over the past week.

QS Travel Services Sdn Bhd executive director Noraida Othman said her company had been receiving phone calls from clients day and night.

She also received messages asking whether it was safe to go there. Noraida said some 100 clients had cancelled their trips to Jakarta, Bandung and Bali, which had resulted in losses of up to RM30,000.

These three Indonesian cities are among top destinations for Malaysians. Travellers are opting not to take risks with their safety as threats against Malaysians in the republic have escalated over the past few weeks.

Yesterday, Jakarta Post reported nine rallies in the Indonesian capital.
One of them was held in front of the Malaysian embassy there, a foreign ministry official here said.

Noraida said those who had already paid for their trips had no other choice but to continue with their plans to holiday in the republic.

“About 30 people are going to different parts of Indonesia in the next few weeks but they need to be assured of their safety. Who can provide them this assurance?”

A Sinisini.com spokesman said Malaysians were afraid of the demonstrations held in Indonesia.

The company, which operates online, has noted a drastic number of cancellations, especially for tour packages to Jakarta.

“There have been more than 50 per cent cancellations as of today.
“People pay for holidays to unwind and enjoy themselves, not to worry about their safety.”

He said besides the influenza A (H1N1) pandemic, the current situation had added to the losses the tourism industry was suffering.

However, checks with local carriers AirAsia and Malaysia Airlines found there were no cancellations so far by passengers flying to Indonesia.

Meanwhile, the Foreign Ministry and the Malaysian embassy in Jakarta will continue to monitor the situation closely and issue regular reports.

An operations room has been set up to receive reports of any related incidents from members of the public, especially Malaysian citizens currently in Indonesia.

It can be contacted at 03-88892746 and 03-88874570 (Wisma Putra) or the Malaysian embassy in Jakarta (+6221-5224947 and +6221-5224971).

...both countries need each other...so no need to fight!!!!.... :) :)





Sweeping cetus masalah baru

JAKARTA 10 Sept. - Presiden Indonesia Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono mengingatkan rakyatnya bahawa tindakan kekerasan 'menyapu bersih' rakyat Malaysia di sini tidak akan menyelesaikan masalah, malah sebaliknya akan menimbulkan masalah baru.

Beliau berkata terdapat 1.8 juta rakyat Indonesia yang sedang mencari rezeki dan belajar di Malaysia, yang pasti akan berada dalam kebimbangan sekarang berikutan reaksi berlebihan segelintir rakyat Indonesia menimbulkan sengketa budaya dengan Malaysia.

"Saya menerima SMS daripada saudara-saudara kita yang bekerja di Malaysia antara lain bunyinya, 'Pak Presiden tolong masalah yang terjadi dengan Malaysia diselesaikan secara bijak dan arif'," katanya seperti dipetik sebuah laman web berita tempatan, hari ini.

Sementara itu, selepas mempengerusikan mesyuarat Kabinetnya di sini, seperti tersiar dalam laman webnya, Susilo berkata sweeping ke atas rakyat Malaysia adalah tindakan kekerasan dan bertentangan dengan undang-undang, apatah lagi ketika umat Islam, baik rakyat Malaysia mahupun rakyat Indonesia sedang menunaikan ibadah puasa.

Beliau mengulas tindakan segelintir rakyat Indonesia yang menggelar diri mereka Benteng Demokrasi Rakyat (Bendera) melakukan sweeping ke atas rakyat Malaysia di sini dengan keluar ke jalan membawa buluh runcing dan memeriksa tanda pengenalan orang ramai yang melalui Jalan Diponegoro di sini untuk mencari rakyat Malaysia.

Semalam, Malaysia menyuarakan kebimbangan terhadap keselamatan rakyatnya di Indonesia termasuk kira-kira 5,600 pelajar perubatan, kedoktoran dan pergigian di samping ribuan profesional yang bekerja di sini, yang terdedah kepada ancaman golongan itu yang menggunakan slogan 'Ganyang Malaysia' dan mengakui mempunyai ilmu kebal.

Pada masa yang sama, kerajaan Malaysia memberi jaminan akan memastikan keselamatan rakyat Indonesia yang berada di Malaysia dan menjamin rakyat Malaysia tidak akan bertindak balas terhadap tindakan keras yang dilakukan di sini seperti membakar bendera Malaysia dan membaling telur busuk ke kedutaan Malaysia.

Perlu diketahui bahawa banyak rakyat Indonesia sendiri yang dipantau melalui ulasan-ulasan online, turut mengutuk dan mengecam keras ancaman oleh kelompok Bendera itu, yang mereka anggap tidak berakal, cuba mengganggu hubungan dua hala dan didalangi golongan tertentu yang berkepentingan melihat dua negara serumpun berseteru.

Susilo menegaskan bahawa pemerintah Indonesia sudah mengambil langkah mengatasi masalah yang timbul seperti tuduhan Malaysia mencuri tarian Pendet yang berasal dari Bali dan mempromosi Pulau Jemur di Riau, melalui saluran diplomatik dan Kumpulan Tokoh Terkemuka (EPG) kedua-dua negara.

"Sebagai negara tetangga dekat dan sebagai bangsa satu rumpun, memang kerap ada masalah-masalah yang terjadi di antara kita dengan Malaysia, tetapi hubungan baik harus tetap terjaga," katanya dalam laman web presiden.

Susilo berkata, masalah lazimnya wujud dari semasa ke semasa, bahkan telah berlaku sejak sekian lama dalam sejarah bangsa serumpun kerana Indonesia dan Malaysia bukan saja dekat malah sentiasa berinteraksi berbanding dengan negara-negara di benua lain yang jarang bertemu dan berinteraksi sehingga tidak terjadi masalah.

"Justeru kalau kita dengan negara di Eropah Barat atau Amerika Latin atau selatan Afrika, tidak pernah ada masalah yang mengganggu kerana jarang bertemu, jarang berinteraksi. Tetapi bangsa Indonesia dengan Malaysia itu sudah terjadi sejak dahulu kala, bahkan sebelum kedua-dua negara ini menjadi negara yang merdeka dan berdaulat," katanya.

Punca ketegangan terbaru ini ialah tuduhan kononnya Malaysia mencuri tarian Pendet untuk promosi pelancongannya, yang kemudiannya terbukti tidak benar kerana klip video promosi itu dibuat oleh syarikat swasta berpejabat di Singapura yang tidak mempunyai sebarang kaitan dengan kerajaan Malaysia.

Semalam, beberapa cendekiawan tempatan menggesa media massa tempatan lebih berhati-hati dalam melemparkan tuduhan dan penulisan serta penyiaran hendaklah berdasarkan fakta yang sudah dipastikan tepat, betul dan benar.

Duta Besar Indonesia di Malaysia Da'i Bahtiar malah mengakui malu kerana semua tuduhan yang diapi-apikan oleh media massa yang telah membakar semangat segelintir rakyat untuk bertindak membenci Malaysia akhirnya terbukti salah dan tidak berasas. - BERNAMA

Anti-Malaysia Sweepings and razias are ridiculous and a complete overreaction. As useless as the razias of FPI. Its absolutely incorrect to intimidate foreign civillians, only because of their government or a dumb Discoverychannel advertisment.
It will harm our relationship even more, our image and it can create a counterreaction in Malaysia.

Demonstations against Malaysia are oke, but i dont like the burning of flags, its the symbol of a country, and you can hurt the feelings of the innocents in that country.

Anti-Malaysia Sweepings and razias are ridiculous and a complete overreaction. As useless as the razias of FPI. Its absolutely incorrect to intimidate foreign civillians, only because of their government or a dumb Discoverychannel advertisment.
It will harm our relationship even more, our image and it can create a counterreaction in Malaysia.

Demonstations against Malaysia are oke, but i dont like the burning of flags, its the symbol of a country, and you can hurt the feelings of the innocents in that country.

i agree bro...

Malaysia, Negeri Perantau Indonesia

Senin, 31 Agustus 2009

Kuala Lumpur (ANTARA News) - "Saya datang bukan untuk merebut kekuasaan. Saya datang sebagai orang perantauan Bugis yang sukses dan kini menjadi Perdana Menteri Malaysia," kata Najib Tun Razak di hadapan masyarakat Gowa, Sulawesi Selatan, tanah leluhurnya.

Tak lama setelah dilantik menjadi PM Malaysia keenam dan menghadiri acara World Ocean Confenrene (WOC) di Manado, PM Najib Tun Razak mengunjungi Gowa untuk menziarahi makam raja-raja Gowa. Najib sendiri adalah keturunan Sultan Gowa ke-19 atau cucu dari Sultan Hasanudin.

Leluhurnya meninggalkan Gowa untuk merantau ke Pahang, salah satu negara bagian di Malaysia, demi menghindari konflik perebutan kekuasaan. Perantauannya ke Semenanjung Malaysia ternyata berujung sukses, setelah ayahnya menjadi PM Malaysia kedua, sementara dia sendiri menjadi PM Malaysia keenam.

Hampir 80 persen keturunan Melayu di Malaysia adalah keturunan orang Indonesia. Ada keturunan Aceh, Padang, Sumatera Utara, Jambi, Palembang, Jawa, Madura, Bawean, dan Bugis.

Banyak sekali keturunan Indonesia hidup sukses di Malaysia. Di jajaran kabinet saat ini, Menteri Pertahanan Malaysia Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, berkakek orang Yogyakarta. Bahasa Jawanya pun masih medok.

Begitu juga dengan Rais Yatim, Menteri Penerangan dan Kebudayaan Malaysia, yang menghabiskan masa kecilnya di Sawahlunto, Sumatera Barat.

Kesuksesan perantauan Indonesia di Malaysia bukan hanya sampai tingkat menteri. Beberapa sultan di beberapa negara bagian juga keturunan Indonesia, contohnya Sultan di Johor Bahru dan Selangor adalah keturunan Bugis.

Bukan saja di kalangan pemerintahan dan sultan, keturunan Indonesia di Malaysia sukses membina hidup di Malaysia.

Bintang film legendaris Malaysia, P. Ramlee misalnya, adalah anak Aceh yang sukses di Malaysia. Penyanyi pria paling top saat ini, Mawi, juga masih keturunan orang Jawa.

Itulah sedikit contoh orang Indonesia yang sukses merantau di Malaysia. Warga Indonesia yang merantau ke Malaysia yang sukses, ada di semua lini dan sendi kehidupan.

Negara Sukses

Malaysia hari ini memperingati hari kemerdekaannya ke-52. Negara jiran dan serumpun dengan Indonesia ini telah menjadi negara sukses nan maju di kawasan ASEAN setelah Singapura.

Banyak ikon Malaysia yang menjadi kebanggaan dunia dan menjadi tujuan wisata terkemukan, contohnya gedung menara kembar Petronas, yang menjadi salah satu pencakar langit tertinggi di dunia.

Menara Kuala Lumpur juga menjadi salah satu menara paling tinggi di dunia, dilengkapi restoran berputar yang mewah dan cantik.

Perusahaan dan BUMN Malaysia juga punya kiprah yang besar dalam bisnis internasional. BUMN Migas Petronas, maskapai penerbangan MAS (Malaysian Airlines), perusahaan telekomunikasi Maxis, perbankan Maybank dan CIMB adalah beberapa dari korporasi bisnis Malaysia yang telah menjadi perusahaan "world class" (kelas dunia).

Malaysia juga memiliki infrastruktur ekonomi yang bagus. Jalan raya yang mulus mulai dari Johor Bahru (Selatan) hingga ke Perlis (Utara), dari Kuala Terengganu (Timur) sampai Kuala Lumpur (Barat).

Bukan itu saja, mereka juga mempunyai jaringan telekomunikasi maha luas, tetapi murah. Jaringan listriknya pun berkapasitas sangat besar sehingga menunjang kota Kuala Lumpur untuk terang benderang sepanjang malam, sepanjang hari, memasok listrik untuk dua jaringan LRT (light rapid train) dan satu monorel.

Daya listrik bagi warga Malaysia tidak mengenal klasifikasi 450 watt, 900 watt atau 1.200 watt. Pokoknya, tidak ada batasnya. Itu cukup untuk menunjukan kapasitas listrik yang tersedia masih sangat besar.

Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono pernah memuji infrastruktur ekonomi Malaysia. "Kita lihat jalan-jalan begitu mulus sejak dari Bandara hingga ke hotel," kata Yudhoyono kepada wartawan, ketika melawat ke negara jiran ini.

Karena ditunjang oleh infrastruktur ekonomi yang baik, maka sektor pariwisata Malaysia ikut mencicipi dampaknya. Kunjungan turis asing ke negeri yang terkenal dengan "Nasi lemak dan teh tarik" ini hingga lebih mencapai 20 juta turis mancanegara per tahun.

Malaysia dipercaya dan dipilih sebagai tempat berlangsung perlombaan F1 (Formula One). Arena balap mobil bergengsi di dunia. Kuala Lumpur juga menjadi kota pilihan perusahaan multinasional sebagai kantor pusatnya untuk kawasan ASEAN.

"Bukan itu saja, beberapa negara yang tidak mampu memiliki kedutaan di semua negara memilih kota Kuala Lumpur merangkap Jakarta Indonesia, dan bukan sebaliknya," kata Dubes RI Da`i Bahctiar.

Peran Indonesia

Malaysia sebagai sebuah negara sukses di ASEAN dan Asia, sebenarnya tidak terlepas dari peran serta Indonesia sebagai negara tetangga dan serumpun Melayu.

Kesuksesan Malaysia dibangun juga oleh orang-orang perantauan asal Indonesia yang turut menyulap negara yang bergantung kepada karet itu menjadi negara maju dengan topangan sektor jasanya yang cemerlang, seperti pariwisata, perbankan dan pendidikan.

Malaysia memiliki target tahun 2020 sebagai negara jasa dengan infrastruktur ekonomi sekelas negara-negara maju seperti Eropa dan Amerika.

Peran warga Indonesia sangat besar dalam pembangunan ekonomi dan sosial Malaysia sejak awal pembangunan ekonomi dan sosialnya hingga kini.

Presiden RI Soeharto peranh mengirim ribuan guru, dokter dan perawat ke Malaysia pada awal tahun 1970an. Banyak juga dosen-dosen Indonesia mengajar di Malaysia. Pada dekade 1970an, tenaga pendidik dan terampil banyak dikirim ke Malaysia.

Namun pertengahan dekade 1980an, situasi berbalik, justru tenaga buruh dan kasar yang semakin banyak dikirim ke Malaysia.

Para pekerja pembangunan menara kembar Petronas contohnya, mayoritas adalah TKI (Tenaga Kerja Indonesia). Demikian pula dengan pembangunan kawasan pemerintahan Putrajaya dan KLIA (Kuala Lumpur International Airport) yang terkenal megah itu.

Sebagian besar buruh perkebunan kelapa sawit di Malaysia juga adalah TKI. Mereka inilah yang ikut mengantarkan Malaysia menjadi produsen terbesar minyak kelapa sawit kedua setelah Indonesia.

Namun tidak sedikit pula peran ekspatriat Indonesia berkeahlian tinggi dalam memajukan perusahaan dan BUMN Malaysia sehingga banyak diantaranya berubah menjadi perusahaan kelas dunia. "Jika ada 10 penentu kebijakan di Petronas, enam dari 10 orang itu adalah warga Indonesia," kata Da`i.

Jadi, sebagai salah satu negara ASEAN tersukses, keberhasilan Malaysia itu tidak terlepas dari peran warga Indonesia. Kesuksesan Malaysia adalah juga lambang sukses hidup para perantau Indonesia di negeri jiran ini.
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Jangan sombong kamu malaysia terhadap Indonesia, karna sebagian besar nenek moyang kamu adlh org Indonesia, bahkan PM Malaysia Najib Razak keturunan Sultan Gowa, Sulawesi Selatan, Indonesia. Bagaimanapun Indonesia jugalah yg berperan besar dlm kemajuan Malaysia.

Sudahlah mas...
Ga usah dibesar2in...jasa itu udah ada yang mencatat kok...
Anggap aja kita beramal...iya kan????

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

castle_92, brigged for 7 days, provocative comments.

cheers

16 AGUSTUS 2009.....PEAK OF SUROLOYO...JOGJA

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^^ mas Danang ki piye.topiknya "talking about neighbours" kok isinya ttg jogja :lol: :lol:

^^ mas Danang ki piye.topiknya "talking about neighbours" kok isinya ttg jogja :lol: :lol:

yang diliat bukan jogjanya mas...

tapi benderanya itu lho.....
Biar tambah bangga kita ma Indonesia...
Ga nyangka lho..waktu aku ke surolyo...itu puncak tertinggi di Jogja sebelah barat bisa melihat sang merah putih berkibar...

Terharu..huhuhuhu..pas seblum 17 an lagi...

The New York Times : Score One for Indonesia in the War Over Batik

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/world/asia/15iht-batik.html?_r=1

By PETER GELLING
Published: September 14, 2009

JAKARTA — For Indonesians, it is a point scored in a long-running rivalry with their neighbor Malaysia: The United Nations has decided to recognize Indonesian batik as one of the world’s important cultural traditions.

After a run of what Indonesian nationalists view as Malaysia’s poaching of its culture, the announcement last week that the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization would add batik to its Intangible Cultural Heritage list at a ceremony at the end of this month was especially welcome. To celebrate, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has asked all Indonesians to wear batik on Oct. 2.

“It is so important that the world finally recognize and acknowledge batik as an Indonesian heritage,” said Obin, one of the country’s leading fashion designers. “It is a part of our soul.” But bragging rights to batik, the process of creating intricate patterns on textiles with wax-resistant dyes, is only one of a slew of issues — cultural, social and political — that have bedeviled relations between Malaysia and Indonesia of late. In June, things had reached the point where Malaysia’s defense minister felt it necessary to declare that, contrary to appearances, the two countries were not on the brink of war.

Indonesia and Malaysia’s numerous commonalities have often sparked disputes. Their historically fluid borders gave rise to populations that share both the Islamic religion and very similar languages. The two countries fought a real war over territory on the island of Borneo in the 1960s, and several conflicts over small, but resource-rich, islands and coastal territories continue today.

The most recent cultural squabble, however, is mostly one-sided. Malaysians, responding to a torrent of letters in Indonesian newspapers, say they are mostly perplexed by Indonesians’ strong reactions to suspicions that they are being encroached upon by Malaysia. Some young Indonesians, who refer to their neighbor as “Maling-sia” — “maling” means “thief” in Indonesian — have pledged their readiness to fight should war become necessary.
The most recent flare-up began with a song.

In early 2007, the Malaysian government began using a folk tune titled “Rasa Sayange,” or “Feeling of Love,” in its “Malaysia: Truly Asia” overseas tourism campaign. Indonesians, claiming the song as their own, began staging protests outside the Malaysian embassy in Jakarta. Indonesian lawmakers entered the fray, and by December 2007, Indonesians were whipped into such a fury that Malaysia was forced to remove the song, as well as clips of dances that Indonesians also insist are theirs, from its advertising and apologize.

Relations were further complicated last May when a Malaysian naval vessel veered into the disputed, and oil-rich, waters of Ambalat, setting off another diplomatic scuffle and renewed claims of Malaysian theft. Then there was the headline-grabbing escape from Malaysia that same month of an Indonesian starlet, Manohara Odelia Pinot, who claimed she had been tortured by her husband, a Malaysian prince. The following month, reports that Indonesian maids in Malaysia were being abused prompted the Indonesian government to temporarily stop sending domestic workers there.

Anger toward Malaysia grew so intense here that the Malaysian defense minister, Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, felt compelled to offer a guarantee that there would be no war between the two countries. At the same meeting, his Indonesian counterpart, Juwono Sudarsono, warned the public not to inflate small problems into major ones. Tensions dropped to a low boil until a few weeks ago, when the Malaysian government was again put on the defensive over a promotion for a documentary series on the Discovery Channel about Malaysia that featured a dance thought to have originated on the Indonesian island of Bali.

Apologies all around did not stop the ever-present throngs of Indonesians outside the Malaysian Embassy in Jakarta from pelting it with eggs and rocks.
It was in this context that Unesco was considering Indonesia’s claim that batik is part of its distinct cultural heritage and worth preserving.
Protecting batik, whether from cheaper printed imitations from China or efforts in Malaysia to copyright designs, became a national obsession.
The Indonesian government stepped up its promotion of the fabric significantly in 2007, calling on civil servants and the public to wear it more often and enlisting fashion designers to find more appealing uses for it. Batik is now a staple in upscale malls and galleries in Jakarta.

Finance Minister Sri Mulyani has become known for her elegant batik dresses. Many offices in Indonesia now observe “Batik Fridays.” Applications to copyright batik motifs have intensified; currently about 300 designs have been copyrighted in Indonesia. Most of those claims were made since 2007, according to industry figures. “There is no question, really,” said Ari Safitri, 22, gesturing to the centuries-old batik patterns inside the Danar Hadi Museum in Solo, a Central Javanese city famed for its batik, where she is a guide.

Historians and non-Indonesian analysts question Indonesia’s claims.
“For Indonesians to claim that batik is solely Indonesian is to stretch the point,” Farish Noor, a senior fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies at Nanyank Technological University in Singapore, wrote in a recent editorial in The Straits Times. “The post-colonial histories of almost all Southeast Asian states tend to over-emphasize the nation-state and its borders,” Noor continued. “This ignores the fact that the people of the region have long moved across the archipelago with ease, bringing — and leaving — their languages, beliefs and cultures.”

Malaysians, for their part, appear mostly perplexed by the Indonesian batik campaign. Jamal Ibrahim, a Malaysian, wrote in a letter to The Jakarta Post, “We heard about the controversy, but hardly any Malaysian has given it serious attention.” Gunawan Setiawan, who sells batik made in a centuries-old workshop in Solo, brushed aside the controversy as nonsense, though he admitted he was happy that the squabble had at least sparked a popular resurgence of the fabric at home.

“Since the 1970s, the biggest demand for batik has come in the last few years because of this situation with Malaysia,” he said in the workshop, where women were applying melted wax in swirling motifs on lengths of cloth. “I’m not sure anyone can claim batik, but it’s been good for business.”

Embassy ends pavement patrol

TOM ALLARD, JAKARTA

September 9, 2009


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A guard conducts a search outside the embassy. Photo: Tom Allard

GUARDS employed by the Australian embassy in Jakarta have been searching the bags of pedestrians who use the public footpath outside the diplomatic mission in an extraordinary upgrade in security that left locals bemused and angered Indonesian officials.

Following a protest by Indonesia's foreign ministry late yesterday the embassy said it had ''discontinued the practice''.

Earlier yesterday a spokesman for Indonesia's department of foreign affairs, Teuku Faizasyah, said: ''It is not proper. That's a public area and should be controlled by the local government. The Australians should not be doing security outside the perimeter of the embassy.''

Mr Faizasyah said his department had sought a formal explanation from the embassy about the ''inappropriate'' security measures.

It was an assessment backed by several Jakartans interviewed by The Age.

''This is a public space,'' said Rahma, an aggrieved office worker who passes the embassy several times a day.

The only exception to the search policy was some Westerners and people carrying embassy identification.

According to Chrysnanda Dwi Laksana, a spokesman for the Jakarta police, the security measures were inappropriate.

''The search should only be applied to people who display suspicious behaviour,'' he said. ''I think it is overreaction, too much out of fear.''

The Australian embassy, on a busy thoroughfare in south Jakarta,was hit by a one-tonne truck bomb in 2004 that killed nine people and injured scores of others.

The attack was allegedly masterminded by fugitive terrorist Noordin Mohamad Top.

Noordin - who remains at large - is also believed to have orchestrated the July bombings of two luxury hotels in nearby Megakuningan.

Others involved in the suicide bombings of the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels are also understood to have been involved in the Australian embassy bombing, including Urwah, who was imprisoned for aiding the embassy bombing but returned to Noordin's terrorist cell after serving a 3½ -year sentence.

A new, ''bomb-proof'' embassy is to be built in Jakarta at a cost of $415 million. The complex, to house 14 federal government agencies and almost 400 staff, is due for completion in 2014.

dua kata untuk Deplu : TUMBEN BERANI? :applause:

dua kata untuk Deplu : TUMBEN BERANI? :applause:

Itu kawat berduri di depan kedubes USA apa sudah disingkirkan ya...secara kawa berdurinya makan separo jalan tuch...

dua kata untuk Deplu : TUMBEN BERANI? :applause:

Satu kata untuk anda: IGNORANCE...

Itu kawat berduri di depan kedubes USA apa sudah disingkirkan ya...secara kawa berdurinya makan separo jalan tuch...

bukannya makan separo jalan itu sepertinya sudah permanen?tadi pagi lewat MMS masih kayak biasanya tuh.separo jalan khusus buat kedubes.

Konjen USA di surabaya juga gitu.satu jalur khusus buat dia ndiri.(serasa kayak bukan di negara sendiri)

btw,back to talking neighbours yuks.

-EDITED BY David-80

Melvin, tolong dibaca, artikel itu sudah pernah di post dan bernada provocative. tidak baca warning ? ini last warning untuk Melvin.

cheers

Mari menatap ke depan saja. Tidak perlu ungkit2 lagi ini siapa yang memulai, siapa yang membalas kembali. Masalah klaim mengaku-aku itu kan kalo dilihat sebenarnya kenapa gak malah kita yg "punya" budaya tersebut untuk mempromosikan negara kita sendiri pada awalnya, baru setelah kejadian tersebut kita kalang kabut. Dalam nya laut dapat diukur dalam nya hati siapa yang tahu, kita tidak tahu apa maksud dan tujuan mereka tapi yang kita tahu hasilnya menyakiti kita dan kita sudah bereaksi terhadap hal tersebut dan mereka pun harusnya sadar kalau perbuatan tersebut menyakiti kita.
Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei Darussalam, Filipina, Timor Leste, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos, Kamboja kita semua bersaudara, kita bertetangga, tetapi kenapa saya sendiri tidak mendapati perasaan kekeluargaan diantara kita.
Ya seperti orang Jawa bilang "Sedulur kuwi nek adoh ambune wangi, nek cedak ambune tai"-"Saudara itu kalau jauh akan harum baunya, tetapi jika dekat baunya busuk".

Mari menatap ke depan saja. Tidak perlu ungkit2 lagi ini siapa yang memulai, siapa yang membalas kembali. Masalah klaim mengaku-aku itu kan kalo dilihat sebenarnya kenapa gak malah kita yg "punya" budaya tersebut untuk mempromosikan negara kita sendiri pada awalnya, baru setelah kejadian tersebut kita kalang kabut. Dalam nya laut dapat diukur dalam nya hati siapa yang tahu, kita tidak tahu apa maksud dan tujuan mereka tapi yang kita tahu hasilnya menyakiti kita dan kita sudah bereaksi terhadap hal tersebut dan mereka pun harusnya sadar kalau perbuatan tersebut menyakiti kita.
Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei Darussalam, Filipina, Timor Leste, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos, Kamboja kita semua bersaudara, kita bertetangga, tetapi kenapa saya sendiri tidak mendapati perasaan kekeluargaan diantara kita.
Ya seperti orang Jawa bilang "Sedulur kuwi nek adoh ambune wangi, nek cedak ambune tai"-"Saudara itu kalau jauh akan harum baunya, tetapi jika dekat baunya busuk".

Setuju mas....kulo nderek panjenengan...

Mari menatap ke depan saja. Tidak perlu ungkit2 lagi ini siapa yang memulai, siapa yang membalas kembali. Masalah klaim mengaku-aku itu kan kalo dilihat sebenarnya kenapa gak malah kita yg "punya" budaya tersebut untuk mempromosikan negara kita sendiri pada awalnya, baru setelah kejadian tersebut kita kalang kabut. Dalam nya laut dapat diukur dalam nya hati siapa yang tahu, kita tidak tahu apa maksud dan tujuan mereka tapi yang kita tahu hasilnya menyakiti kita dan kita sudah bereaksi terhadap hal tersebut dan mereka pun harusnya sadar kalau perbuatan tersebut menyakiti kita.
Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei Darussalam, Filipina, Timor Leste, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos, Kamboja kita semua bersaudara, kita bertetangga, tetapi kenapa saya sendiri tidak mendapati perasaan kekeluargaan diantara kita.
Ya seperti orang Jawa bilang "Sedulur kuwi nek adoh ambune wangi, nek cedak ambune tai"-"Saudara itu kalau jauh akan harum baunya, tetapi jika dekat baunya busuk".

eurico , saya setuju dengan awak . All country must love to each other and never fight with cultures or something else .

Gpp untuk promosi wisata cuma dikasih note bahwa itu budaya dari negara xxxx yg bisa dinikmati di sini. Sperti kota wisata cibubur kan getu...membawa wisata luar negri ke indonesia.

Media Australia: Kematian Noordin Top "Kemenangan Besar Polri"
Kamis, 17 September 2009 20:55 WIB | Mancanegara | Asia/Pasifik

Stasiun TV berpengaruh Australia, seperti "ABC News" dan "Channel Seven", menurunkan berita seputar sukses besar Polri itu dalam sekilas info dan buletin berita mereka Kamis malam.

Media utama Australia menjadikan pengumuman resmi Kapolri Jenderal Bambang Hendarso Danuri sebagai konfirmasi positif kematian gembong teroris yang terus diburu dalam lima tahun terakhir itu.

Agustus lalu, Noordin M Top sempat dilaporkan tewas dalam penyerbuan Densus 88 Polri ke sebuah rumah di Dusun Beji, Kecamatan Kedu, Kabupaten Temanggung, Jawa Tengah. Namun laporan spekulatif berbagai media Indonesia dan dunia itu kemudian diluruskan Polri berdasarkan hasil tes DNA.

Dalam pernyataan persnya Agustus lalu, Menteri Luar Negeri Australia Stephen Smith menyebut Noordin sebagai "teroris yang telah diburu dan paling diinginkan Australia untuk dibawa ke pengadilan".

Sekalipun Australia hingga kini masih "aman" dari aksi serangan kelompok teroris seperti yang pernah dialami Indonesia, Amerika Serikat, Spanyol, dan Inggris, puluhan orang warganya ikut menjadi korban aksi terorisme.

Dalam serangan bom bunuh diri di Hotel JW Marriott dan Ritz Carlton Mega Kuningan Jakarta 17 Juli lalu misalnya, tiga warga Australia termasuk di antara sembilan orang yang tewas.

Mereka adalah Pengusaha asal Perth, Nathan Verity, Craig Senger (diplomat dari Komisi Perdagangan Australia) dan Garth McEvoy (pegawai Industri Pertambangan asal Brisbane).

Sebelum serangan pemboman di dua hotel di kawasan Kuningan Jakarta ini terjadi, Indonesia sempat relatif aman dari insiden terorisme selepas Bom Bali 2005.

Sejak aksi serangan sejumlah gereja di malam Natal tahun 2000, Indonesia mengalami serangkaian insiden terorisme. Setahun setelah serangan kelompok teroris ke New York dan Washington DC, Amerika Serikat, pada 11 September 2001, Bali diserang kelompok Amrozi dkk pada Oktober 2002.

Dalam insiden itu, sebanyak 202 orang tewas, termasuk 88 orang warga Australia yang sedang berlibur di Pulau Dewata tersebut. Seterusnya terjadi serangan mematikan di Hotel JW Marriott pada 2003, dan serangan terhadap Kedubes Australia di Jakarta (2004).

Polri meyakini gembong teroris asal Malaysia, Noordin M Top, terlibat dalam banyak aksi penyerangan yang menelan ratusan orang korban jiwa warga masyarakat di berbagai tempat di Indonesia itu.(*)

Baru baca di Straits Times hari ini... Malaysia klaim banyak makanan sebagai miliknya yang memicu kemarahan Singapura... :ohno::ohno:


Sep 18, 2009
Truly Malaysian?
Tourism Minister wants to stake claim on popular dishes
By Elizabeth Looi, Malaysia Correspondent

Malaysian is staking a claim on popular dishes such as chili crab.


KUALA LUMPUR - MALAYSIA is starting a food fight.

Laksa, nasi lemak, Hainanese chicken rice, chilli crab and bak kut teh are all Malaysian dishes, Tourism Minister Ng Yen Yen declared.

On Wednesday, Datuk Seri Dr Ng accused other countries of 'hijacking' local dishes such as laksa and nasi lemak, and said it was high time that Malaysia claimed them as Malaysian.

'We cannot continue to let other countries hijack our food,' she said, without naming the countries.

'Chilli crab is Malaysian. Hainanese chicken rice is Malaysian. We have to lay claim to our food,' the minister said after she launched the Malaysia International Gourmet Festival.

But some food critics disagreed, saying that it would not be possible for a country to claim ownership over the dishes.

Malaysian celebrity chef Rohani Jelani said that food in general is not politically divided.

As people move from one country to another, they also take with them the recipes of their favourite food.

'I think it is difficult to claim ownership or to say exactly what food originated from where. This is because there are no boundaries when it comes to food,' she told The Straits Times.

Singapore food celebrity K.F. Seetoh agreed that it would be impossible for anyone to claim ownership over food, even if a certain dish is easily available at a certain place.

Read the full story in Friday's edition of The Straits Times.

elizlooi@sph.com.sg

Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_431428.html

Baru baca di Straits Times hari ini... Malaysia klaim banyak makanan sebagai miliknya yang memicu kemarahan Singapura... :ohno::ohno:


Sep 18, 2009
Truly Malaysian?
Tourism Minister wants to stake claim on popular dishes
By Elizabeth Looi, Malaysia Correspondent

Malaysian is staking a claim on popular dishes such as chili crab.


KUALA LUMPUR - MALAYSIA is starting a food fight.

Laksa, nasi lemak, Hainanese chicken rice, chilli crab and bak kut teh are all Malaysian dishes, Tourism Minister Ng Yen Yen declared.

On Wednesday, Datuk Seri Dr Ng accused other countries of 'hijacking' local dishes such as laksa and nasi lemak, and said it was high time that Malaysia claimed them as Malaysian.

'We cannot continue to let other countries hijack our food,' she said, without naming the countries.

'Chilli crab is Malaysian. Hainanese chicken rice is Malaysian. We have to lay claim to our food,' the minister said after she launched the Malaysia International Gourmet Festival.

But some food critics disagreed, saying that it would not be possible for a country to claim ownership over the dishes.

Malaysian celebrity chef Rohani Jelani said that food in general is not politically divided.

As people move from one country to another, they also take with them the recipes of their favourite food.

'I think it is difficult to claim ownership or to say exactly what food originated from where. This is because there are no boundaries when it comes to food,' she told The Straits Times.

Singapore food celebrity K.F. Seetoh agreed that it would be impossible for anyone to claim ownership over food, even if a certain dish is easily available at a certain place.

Read the full story in Friday's edition of The Straits Times.

elizlooi@sph.com.sg

Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_431428.html

What is you meaning K14N , Malaysian claim Singapore food . I think you don't understand english . Please read english carefully . This news is not about claim food cultures . It about Malaysian have this type of food similar with Singapore food .

^^ Johson, I think you are the one who doesn't understand english??

Just read your minister's statement below:

"KUALA LUMPUR - MALAYSIA is starting a food fight.

Laksa, nasi lemak, Hainanese chicken rice, chilli crab and bak kut teh are all Malaysian dishes, Tourism Minister Ng Yen Yen declared.

On Wednesday, Datuk Seri Dr Ng accused other countries of 'hijacking' local dishes such as laksa and nasi lemak, and said it was high time that Malaysia claimed them as Malaysian.

'We cannot continue to let other countries hijack our food,' she said, without naming the countries.

'Chilli crab is Malaysian. Hainanese chicken rice is Malaysian. We have to lay claim to our food,' the minister said after she launched the Malaysia International Gourmet Festival.

But some food critics disagreed, saying that it would not be possible for a country to claim ownership over the dishes."

I don't think those bold and underlined words mean M'sian food only similar with Singaporean ... It's a claim!

Btw, here is a comment from a Singaporean, I think he thought that Malaysia's claiming his country's food too:

"
IamSpeaking
Today, 09:38 AM
myotosan: "...He probably wants to claim that Noordin Top is uniquely Malaysian. The Malaysians are already claiming some Indonesian songs and dances, batik and now some Singaporean food dishes as their own......."

You can check his comment here:
http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?t=24713

Just FYI, tapi kayaknya pasti deh ada lagi yg ntar komen...:bash:


Jumat, 18/09/2009 10:59 WIB
Merasa Ikut Produksi Batik, Malaysia Akan Pelajari Keputusan Unesco
Amanda Ferdina - detikNews

Malaysia - United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) telah memasukkan Batik Indonesia ke dalam daftar intangible cultural heritage (warisan budaya bukan benda). Otoritas Malaysia mengaku akan mempelajari keputusan itu lebih lanjut.

Seperti dilansir Bernama, Jumat (18/9/2009), Wakil PM Malaysia, Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin menyatakan pihaknya akan mempelajari keputusan Unesco yang memasukkan Batik Indonesia ke dalam daftar warisan budaya bukan benda.

"Saya tidak memiliki detailnya (keputusan Unesco) karena Malaysia juga memiliki batik. Kita akan menganalisa pengertian sebenarnya dari keputusan itu dan apakah keputusan itu akan berdampak pada produksi batik di sini," ujar Muhyidin.

Menurutnya, tidak hanya Malaysia dan Indonesia yang memproduksi batik, India dan Singapura juga melakukan hal sama.

"Batik tidak hanya diproduksi Malaysia dan Indonesia, tapi India dan Singapura juga memiliki batik. Perbedaannya hanya terletak pada nama dan teknologi yang digunakan. Maka itu, saya akan mengecek keputusan Unesco lebih lanjut," kata Muhyiddin.

Unesco memutuskan untuk menjadikan batik Indonesia sebagai salah satu daftar warisan budaya pada 8 September 2009. Pengumuman daftar tersebut akan digelar pada pertemuan komite antar pemerintah Intangible Heritage, 2 Oktober di Abu Dhabi.

Menghadapi momen tersebut, presiden RI, SBY telah mengimbau seluruh warga negara Indonesia untuk mengenakan batik pada 2 Oktober. Tanggal tersebut akan dijadikan sebagai hari batik nasional.

(amd/iy)

Sep 18, 2009
US, Australia praise Indonesia

WASHINGTON - THE United States said on Thursday that Indonesia has potentially taken a 'significant step forward' in its fight against militants in a raid that police said killed Noordin Mohammed Top.

'The Indonesian national police raided a suspected terrorist safe house in Solo in central Java,' the State Department's Philip Crowley said, referring reporters to the Indonesian authorities for further information.

'We did not participate in the operations, nor did we provide information that led to the raid,' Mr Crowley said.

'This potentially represents a significant step forward in Indonesia in its battle with extremists,' he said.

Similarly, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on Friday congratulated Indonesian authorities over the killing of alleged bombing mastermind Noordin Mohammed Top.

Indonesia said the body of Noordin, blamed by Jakarta and Canberra for plotting deadly bombings that killed scores of people in Bali and Jakarta, was among four recovered after armed police raided a house in Java on Thursday.

'This is welcome news and I congratulate the Indonesian security authorities for their success,' he told Australian public radio.

'This has been a very difficult operation over a long period of time and the credit goes to the Indonesians through their security agencies for doing this,' he said after a six-year manhunt for Noordin ended.

Mr Rudd said Noordin, leader of a radical splinter group of the Jemaah Islamiyah network, was responsible for a string of deadly attacks, including a bombing in Bali as well as attacks on Jakarta's Marriott hotel and the Australian embassy.

'This is a very significant result. This man has been a mass murderer,' Mr Rudd said. 'He has been responsible for the murder of Australians and I congratulate the Indonesians on their success.' -- AFP

"
IamSpeaking
Today, 09:38 AM
myotosan......"Malaysia's Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein's request that Noordin's body be repatriated to his home country suggest he is proud that the top terrorist is a Malaysian . . . ."


He probably wants to claim that Noordin Top is uniquely Malaysian. The Malaysians are already claiming some Indonesian songs and dances, batik and now some Singaporean food dishes as their own......."

You can check his comment here:
http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?t=24713


^^plz be carefull with wat u posted..... plz show me the real article dat hishamudin proud dat nordin is a malaysian?????

as 4 the foods...dats malaysian foods 4 sure!!!!! but yeah no need to claim 4 it.....furthermore both countries shared same dishes....but mostly started from malaysia!!!

^^ ^^

PEACE

^^plz be carefull with wat u posted..... plz show me the real article dat hishamudin proud dat nordin is a malaysian?????

as 4 the foods...dats malaysian foods 4 sure!!!!! but yeah no need to claim 4 it.....furthermore both countries shared same dishes....but mostly started from malaysia!!!

Sorry, but the point of my statement is about the food and not about Noordin, that's the Singaporean's statement...

About the food, that's Malaysia and Singapore problem. I'm just inform about it here, why are you Malaysians getting so angry? That's your Minister of Tourism statement, so just tell her no need to claim for those dishes if you think that's the appropriate thing to do...

^^ :)

I have three Indonesian friends who are visiting Manila right now. I was surprised that they also mentioned about this culture grabbing thing....no need to elaborate. I thought that I would only read this on SSC but I experienced this personally. hehehehe.

I'm neutral my friends.

as 4 the foods...dats malaysian foods 4 sure!!!!! but yeah no need to claim 4 it.....furthermore both countries shared same dishes....but mostly started from malaysia!!!

I think you forgot one thing. Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Brunei were one archipelago before the British and Dutch were coming to invade. So, its really difficult to claim which food is theirs and which are ours.....and I am sure, Nasi lemak already exists before those times...

those countries were sharing the same cultural and food not until the politics divide them into Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei.

SO lets stop talking about DIFFERENCES....

lets talking about similarity. And i mean it...for those countries involved. Not just Indonesia and Malaysia...

cheers

I think you forgot one thing. Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Brunei were one archipelago before the British and Dutch were coming to invade. So, its really difficult to claim which food is theirs and which are ours.....and I am sure, Nasi lemak already exists before those times...

those countries were sharing the same cultural and food not until the politics divide them into Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei.

SO lets stop talking about DIFFERENCES....

lets talking about similarity. And i mean it...for those countries involved. Not just Indonesia and Malaysia...

cheers


yes....i agree with david.......be cool my friends....

^^ :)

I have three Indonesian friends who are visiting Manila right now. I was surprised that they also mentioned about this culture grabbing thing....no need to elaborate. I thought that I would only read this on SSC but I experienced this personally. hehehehe.

I'm neutral my friends.

RonnieR, 230 million Indonesians do have access to Information, and they fully aware of this kinda thing,,, and I know you're neutral, thank you for that...

Just FYI, tapi kayaknya pasti deh ada lagi yg ntar komen...:bash:


Jumat, 18/09/2009 10:59 WIB
Merasa Ikut Produksi Batik, Malaysia Akan Pelajari Keputusan Unesco
Amanda Ferdina - detikNews

Malaysia - United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) telah memasukkan Batik Indonesia ke dalam daftar intangible cultural heritage (warisan budaya bukan benda). Otoritas Malaysia mengaku akan mempelajari keputusan itu lebih lanjut.

Seperti dilansir Bernama, Jumat (18/9/2009), Wakil PM Malaysia, Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin menyatakan pihaknya akan mempelajari keputusan Unesco yang memasukkan Batik Indonesia ke dalam daftar warisan budaya bukan benda.

"Saya tidak memiliki detailnya (keputusan Unesco) karena Malaysia juga memiliki batik. Kita akan menganalisa pengertian sebenarnya dari keputusan itu dan apakah keputusan itu akan berdampak pada produksi batik di sini," ujar Muhyidin.

Menurutnya, tidak hanya Malaysia dan Indonesia yang memproduksi batik, India dan Singapura juga melakukan hal sama.

"Batik tidak hanya diproduksi Malaysia dan Indonesia, tapi India dan Singapura juga memiliki batik. Perbedaannya hanya terletak pada nama dan teknologi yang digunakan. Maka itu, saya akan mengecek keputusan Unesco lebih lanjut," kata Muhyiddin.

Unesco memutuskan untuk menjadikan batik Indonesia sebagai salah satu daftar warisan budaya pada 8 September 2009. Pengumuman daftar tersebut akan digelar pada pertemuan komite antar pemerintah Intangible Heritage, 2 Oktober di Abu Dhabi.

Menghadapi momen tersebut, presiden RI, SBY telah mengimbau seluruh warga negara Indonesia untuk mengenakan batik pada 2 Oktober. Tanggal tersebut akan dijadikan sebagai hari batik nasional.

(amd/iy)

seperti yg dibilang Zizi waktu ikut Miss Universe, dia sendiri kaget melihat kain yang mirip dengan batik-kain yg bermotif dibilang batik padahal Batik lebih dari hanya sekedar corak dan motif semata, kalau pihak mereka bilang Malaysia, India, Singapore juga punya batik hanya saja TEKNOLOGI DAN NAMANYA BEDA then itu berarti bukan BATIK!! Batik berasal dari Bahasa Jawa Mba Tik yg artinya Me-nitik yg didasarkan pada TEKNOLOGI PEMBUATAN MOTIF DENGAN CARA MENITIK-NITIKKAN MALAM CAIR PADA POLA MOTIF YANG ADA DI KAIN itulah kenapa dibilang itu Batik, kalo teknologinya beda ya sebut aja dengan nama lain selain Batik.

^^ ^^
SETUJU , itu baru benar... jangan kasih nama BATIK, kasih nama yg lain.... BATIK hanya ada di Indonesia.

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Beberapa minggu yang lalu transit di KLIA and I found this:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9083/cimg5255.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/cimg5255.jpg/)

it's funny since it doesn't even look like batik, no patterns or what so ever, it's only a cloth with warna belang belang...:nuts:

The whole stealing culture and food thing is the works of that stupid Malaysian Tourism Minister. She is so desperate to find a unique selling point for Malaysia that she has to resort to claiming food, culture from other countries.

Like SERIOUSLY, claiming food such as hainanese chicken rice, laksa, just to name a few?? Even Singapore starts to notice the suspicious nature of this bullsh!t coming from this pathetic Malaysian tourism minister.
Hainanese chicken rice is OBVIOUSLY rooted from Hainan, China! Gawd ENOUGH ALREADY with the pathetic attempt to claim/steal culture/food just to promote tourism. It's so embarrasing! The whole world, ex: UNESCO already noticed this disgraceful act by the Malaysian gov't.