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docker
September 14th, 2008, 01:04 PM
old thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=144878)
website: http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/pertharena/index.html
KEY FEATURES
The world-class Perth Arena has been designed by a world-class team of architects including Melbourne-based Ashton Raggatt McDougall (ARM), local Perth firm Cameron Chisholm and Nicol (CCN).
Western Australian company BGC will construct the iconic building.
The new arena will:
seat a minimum of 12,000 people for sporting events and 14,000 for concerts
include a state-of-the-art operating system to allow maximum flexibility, an adaptable performance floor, extensive support rooms
incorporate an retractable roof – which will allow the Hopman Cup to continue in Perth
include 500 corporate seats
include a car park built underneath the complex
provide a forecourt facility similar to Melbourne's Federation Square
be built and funded by Western Australians
attract world-class performers and international sporting events
encourage tourism and showcase Western Australia – nationally and internationally
generate jobs during the construction stage – and more employment and economic benefits when it is up and running.
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November construction update,
http://dhw.wa.gov.au/pertharena/images/images_27.jpg
Auxodium
September 14th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Big pictures
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jackso
September 14th, 2008, 02:37 PM
So, now that we have a liberal government, Perth Arena can be surrounded by a freeway, a trainline, a derilict building and some houses!
We will have to wait and see what happens to Northbridge link.
Hopefuly it will go ahead, it hink even the liberals will be able to see this needs to happen, and there is no public opposition...
It really looks like quite an amazing building though...
perthgazer
September 14th, 2008, 02:40 PM
Publication with internal renders
http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/pertharena/publications/Perth_Arena_Apr08%20.pdf
aaronaugi1
September 15th, 2008, 05:19 AM
I don't think the Libs have much choice over NBLink. They will have to commit to something there. They can't just leave the arena stand alone.
Surely the EPRA will be barking up there tree till something gets done.
What a farce if we had the Arena and Entertainment Centre both empty on the Northbridge site come next election!
Direwolf
September 15th, 2008, 05:58 AM
I don't think the Libs are against the NBLink as it fits in with liberal party ideals the idea is for that state to provide the infrastructure and incentives for commercial redevelopment of the site. Whether we get good designs is another matter.
Remember the original plan for the Arena was for Multiplex to build it and the administer it however in 2001 when Libs last lost government there was not enough money to give them adequate incentive to build and make a interesting design. Labor were not willing to add more than the original subsidy ($50M I think) even though construction costs have made it less viable so in the end they have built it all on public money for even more cost not a great outcome except the design is heaps better.
From what I have heard the project in most danger are other big infrastructure projects such as the Foreshore which Colin Barnett doesn't like the current plans for, the Museum which Brendan Grylis(sic) thinks could be delayed to pay for regional money and the Subiaco stadium which is also be considered delaying or being cut back on.
The NBLink is relatively inexpensive compared to those and the first stage is already in the budget. I think it will get up (especially the more expensive rail sinking as Business and PCC are backing it and they have political influence in the Liberal party.
jackso
September 15th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Thats true but foreshore is revenue positive. it will require a one off investemtn of around $300M, then all will be recouped in land sales. Hopefully the liberal party sees merit in that as well as NB link.
Personally i would rather see the museum and stadium scraped before foreshore of NB link..
buildemup
September 16th, 2008, 12:14 PM
Saw the crane going up as I drove home from work today.
ryan79
September 16th, 2008, 12:26 PM
A crane? Fuck yeah!! I've been waiting forever for this to go up.
Still my fave project.
buildemup
September 16th, 2008, 12:42 PM
Yeah looks cool with the crane from code and central in the area as well.
Tried to take a photo on my phone but almost rear ended the car in front and decided it wasnt the best idea
PerthSM
September 16th, 2008, 01:02 PM
This may be a stupid question, but how exactly would the sink the line? (Without closing the line for a year anyway...)
aaronaugi1
September 16th, 2008, 01:56 PM
This may be a stupid question, but how exactly would the sink the line? (Without closing the line for a year anyway...)
Same way they did for the Joondalup line.
I suspect the old Joondalup platform could be used in conjunction with the existing Midland platform. Bit of a hassel for those who'd normally stay on the train when using stations Midland-Freo and vice-versa.
B787-938
September 17th, 2008, 04:12 AM
Yeah I noticed the crane last night and wondered whether it had been discussed yet. The site really looks like things are happening now :)
Undergrounding the Freo line through there would take a lot of planning to avoid massive disruption. It would probably have to be built on another alignment to the existing track. How it crosses over the existing underground tunnels will be another one to ponder.
Skyline Art
September 17th, 2008, 10:11 AM
Off track a bit about this forum, but the rail should have been sunk long ago and then the arena could have been bigger, sitting over some of the railway site....
Scraperfan
September 17th, 2008, 10:24 AM
foresight is not something perth is good at.
we make mistakes then build around mistakes - creating new mistakes in the process.
Citystyle
September 17th, 2008, 11:37 AM
we make mistakes then build around mistakes - creating new mistakes in the process.
So true. It was the only way we managed to build a city cut of by a train line and a freeway. I suspect Perth could be quite beautiful if the freeway and rail line was sunk.
Sanj
September 17th, 2008, 11:38 AM
perth is quite beautiful, its all the other shit it needs help with.
acc521
September 17th, 2008, 11:50 AM
Ironically Perth's natural beauty is one of the things that has held it back as it has led to complacency.
Sanj
September 17th, 2008, 11:57 AM
i agree. i remember reading somewhere that some visiting expert said that perth had made the worst of a good opportunity and melbourne the best of a bad opportunity in terms of its natural beauty, the swan river compared to the yarra and the weather etc.
Dilaz89
September 17th, 2008, 12:21 PM
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nazor
September 17th, 2008, 01:23 PM
a-fucking-nother one!
PERTHS ON FIRE BABY!!!!11
Johnvb
September 17th, 2008, 03:19 PM
About time! We have been waiting for so long to finally see some action on this site. Must've been about two years now :)
chrisaus
September 18th, 2008, 09:28 AM
one thing that pisses me off is the skyline looks like its going to mega boom with all the cranes but in reality from 10km away the only new building that will make a real skyline impact is bhp and maybe river plaza, the rest is just gap fillers really.
Scraperfan
September 18th, 2008, 09:34 AM
dont understeimate the effect raine and 140 will have on the north view. people will talk.
no maybe about river plaza, from mitchell freeway heading south, its pretty far west of qv1.
you could even see the cranes on the bishop site clear of qv1, so its even further west than that.
ryan79
September 18th, 2008, 10:01 AM
Fuck the skyline. I want street activation first and foremost and we're getting plenty of it.
B787-938
September 18th, 2008, 10:15 AM
I want to see a big dildo shaped building on the edge of the river!! :cheers:
Auxodium
September 18th, 2008, 11:38 AM
but in the end there will be nothing to show after the 'boom' is gone... just 1 building and one indoor stadium...
Citystyle
September 18th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Pessimism is not only speculation, it's the worst sort of it!
samboy
September 18th, 2008, 03:12 PM
I guess there's a fine line between optimism, pessimism and realism ;)
chrisaus
September 18th, 2008, 05:11 PM
but in the end there will be nothing to show after the 'boom' is gone... just 1 building and one indoor stadium...
thats pretty cynical, while the skyline isnt going to change like brisbane's has over the last 5 years, the amount of office space is set to grow 30% the cbd working population 30% and the density will improve out of sight
Auxodium
September 18th, 2008, 06:00 PM
thats pretty cynical, while the skyline isnt going to change like brisbane's has over the last 5 years, the amount of office space is set to grow 30% the cbd working population 30% and the density will improve out of sight
true but it wont be a complete change as we hear in the press. and everyone is right a skyline isnt everything... i mean look at our skyline from kings park. Brilliant view but rather souless.
maybe im being too fussy that i want to see more done with it... guess Colin Barnett was trying to get that across to voters... in a kind of dumb no policy way really
Urbania
September 19th, 2008, 03:23 AM
Wow...obviously there's some really high expectations here...
Just think about how different Perth has become in the past 5 years and how different it will be in the next 5 years. We have had an inner city residential boom the likes of which has not been seen since the arrival of the automobile. We're finally getting the breadth and density Perth has so sorely lacked in the past. We are also getting a 270m high office building and a 150m high residential tower and potential 1 or 2 more 130-180m towers. I mean, how often does any city in Australia get a 200m+ building? In addition, a new rail line, residential towers outside of the CBD (Burswood, Canning River, Cockburn Central), TOD's etc...we've come such a long way and the future is so exciting...so stop bitching about not having a friggin Shanghai-style skyline straight away...
Scraperfan
September 19th, 2008, 05:05 AM
aux your comment is pretty silly. do we reeeeally have to go through everything for you?
the visible signs are yet to be seen, i knew people would start popping up with retarded comments like that in 2008/2009.
people will only start to "see" the boom in 2010.
chrisaus
September 19th, 2008, 05:15 AM
true but it wont be a complete change as we hear in the press. and everyone is right a skyline isnt everything... i mean look at our skyline from kings park. Brilliant view but rather souless.
maybe im being too fussy that i want to see more done with it... guess Colin Barnett was trying to get that across to voters... in a kind of dumb no policy way really
its hard to work out exactly what your point is, so if libs were in power the last 8 years the skyline would look different?
Auxodium
September 19th, 2008, 10:11 AM
apologies it was a bit of a whinge that was rather random and didnt make sense. I kind of wanted to see results now kind of way.
Scraperfan
September 19th, 2008, 11:03 AM
Patience is a FUCKING virtue cunt!
just kidding aux. you get the point though. :)
samboy
September 19th, 2008, 11:44 AM
It's more than a virtue in Perth. It's prozac!
Auxodium
September 19th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Yet SF at the same time i understand why it takes time.. Greenwood station was delayed by 3 months due to a paver and brick shortage lol.
chrisaus
September 20th, 2008, 04:28 AM
ill give you a dollar if you can go a week without being cynical! :)
chrisaus
September 20th, 2008, 04:28 AM
Patience is a FUCKING virtue cunt!
just kidding aux. you get the point though. :)
Patience is for retirees and losers:banana:
Scraperfan
September 20th, 2008, 06:08 AM
lol, they should have the least patience since theyre running out of time to live.
article in the west today saying theres a $100 million blowout in the cost, $50 million related to the underground carpark.
samboy
September 20th, 2008, 06:10 AM
I'd really hate it if they start cutting back on the 'finishing'
acc521
September 20th, 2008, 06:14 AM
As cynical as I usually am, I think we are safe on this one being completed as specified right down to the finishing touches.
ryan79
September 20th, 2008, 07:31 AM
lol, they should have the least patience since theyre running out of time to live.
article in the west today saying theres a $100 million blowout in the cost, $50 million related to the underground carpark.
Of course there is.
What else would they have the article about?
Wait till it opens, the head line will be something along the lines of
"Over budget waste of money Labor project finally finished after massive delays"
Next page
"Liberals announce today a fantastic plan to do nothing and save RPH"
Scraperfan
September 20th, 2008, 08:07 AM
lol. thats actually an accurate assessment.
i really hope perth can let you of the negative nancy crap to host a spectacular opening for this and just be positive about it as a project to be proud of.
your predicted headline might also include the word eyesore.
ps the west today labelled allanah mctiernans network city policy as "experimental". also talked about it in "past tense" as if its already been scrapped. that the cockburn tower would be a lasting legacy of the former policy.
Lowie101
September 20th, 2008, 12:46 PM
lol. thats actually an accurate assessment.
i really hope perth can let you of the negative nancy crap to host a spectacular opening for this and just be positive about it as a project to be proud of.
your predicted headline might also include the word eyesore.
ps the west today labelled allanah mctiernans network city policy as "experimental". also talked about it in "past tense" as if its already been scrapped. that the cockburn tower would be a lasting legacy of the former policy.
One of my studio coordinators at uni works for network city, and as far as im aware it has been scrapped.
aaronaugi1
September 22nd, 2008, 04:48 AM
^^ how does one "work for network city"...i never knew it had its own department/group of slaves. I thought it was the responsibility of everyone at WAPC and DPI.
Scraperfan
September 22nd, 2008, 05:17 AM
yeh i wondered that, do you mean worked for the DPI?
so, now that we dont have a minister for planning AND infrastructure, does this mean the department also gets split?
samboy
September 22nd, 2008, 05:31 AM
I suspect the libs will scrap the term 'network city' as more of a political move to disengage themselves from the previous govt however it is still possible that some elements of it may be implemented under a different banner (a-la Rudd and Workchoices).
Political parties are known to recycle ideas and slap on a coat of paint and pretend it's something 'innovative' and 'new'. In this case that may be a blessing.
Lowie101
September 22nd, 2008, 07:05 AM
^^ how does one "work for network city"...i never knew it had its own department/group of slaves. I thought it was the responsibility of everyone at WAPC and DPI.
Yeah DPI, but they were particiularly involved with network city.
aaronaugi1
September 23rd, 2008, 05:49 AM
I suspect the libs will scrap the term 'network city' as more of a political move to disengage themselves from the previous govt however it is still possible that some elements of it may be implemented under a different banner (a-la Rudd and Workchoices).
Political parties are known to recycle ideas and slap on a coat of paint and pretend it's something 'innovative' and 'new'. In this case that may be a blessing.
For sure. I dont think the Libs will go to the extent of scrapping the whole metropolitain plan but it will certainly get a rebage and a few tweaks in order to get their development policy passed whatever planning agency they establish.
There limited plans for transport expansion, yet major plans for residential development just wouldn't be "allowed" under a network city environment. They're cetainly going to have to push through some changes in order to get and housing policy they have off the ground. I mean, they're not exactly fans of TOD's and infill. We'll have to wait and see.
Dilaz89
September 23rd, 2008, 03:43 PM
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stadiumdesigner
September 23rd, 2008, 03:47 PM
so 2 cranes going on site then?
dcmcd
September 25th, 2008, 01:25 AM
According to The Worst this project is on hold. Doesn't look like it from the pics though.
"Plans for the sporting and entertainment venue, Perth Arena, the Perth police complex, a prison in the state’s north and hospital upgrades would be put on hold until the Treasury review was finished, the treasurer said."
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=99491
Ari Gold
September 25th, 2008, 03:21 AM
Perth Arena - Whats the fucking point of putting this on hold?
Police complex - Doesnt start til next year anyways right?
Prison - No idea
Hospital Upgrades - I dont want a finished up hospital when im in retirement.
Fucking stupid.
ryan79
September 25th, 2008, 03:29 AM
I'd really hate it if they start cutting back on the 'finishing'
I'd say start preparing to be a hater.
hack404
September 25th, 2008, 04:03 AM
How can they put a hold on a job already contracted out without further adding to the 'blowout'?
stadiumdesigner
September 25th, 2008, 05:04 AM
i woudlnt be suprised if it was referring to the new stadium...and the west has just been uniformed as usual
acc521
September 25th, 2008, 05:41 AM
Yep it has to be a mistake. The article is clearly talking about projects in the planning stage.
Scraperfan
September 25th, 2008, 05:58 AM
there is no way it will be put on hold. the government is desperate for a venue for the hopman cup and its already delayed.
probably just got added to the list at the discretion of another incompetant editor.
ryan79
September 25th, 2008, 06:05 AM
Can anyone confirm if theres workers onsite today?
That'll squash those rumours.
Scraperfan
September 25th, 2008, 06:11 AM
given the weather, might not be the best day to check. they could have been rained off!
Tommo22
September 25th, 2008, 06:30 AM
Can anyone confirm if theres workers onsite today?
That'll squash those rumours.
Yeah lots of workers on site this morning, have probably left now with the rain
ryan79
September 25th, 2008, 06:42 AM
Cool. Should be good then.
Although we'll have to keep an eye out over the next few days.
Auxodium
September 25th, 2008, 07:09 AM
if they halt this project that would be the biggest load of crap the libs have ever done... then again they have done worse
but it is very unlikely because afterall... the project is clearly underway...
acc521
September 25th, 2008, 07:19 AM
Chill Winston, this project is not going anywhere.
hack404
September 25th, 2008, 08:03 AM
if they halt this project that would be the biggest load of crap the libs have ever done... then again they have done worse
but it is very unlikely because afterall... the project is clearly underway...
It'd have some competition if the Subi redevelopment doesn't happen...
aaronaugi1
September 27th, 2008, 06:07 PM
It'd have some competition if the Subi redevelopment doesn't happen...
or if the patch up does.
wexford
September 30th, 2008, 02:03 AM
There were workers onside yesterday as I rode past on my way to Parklife at Wellington Square :-)
If they're busy on a long weekend then that certainly suggests that the project isn't on hold!
bing222
September 30th, 2008, 05:31 AM
Any webcams
Johnvb
October 2nd, 2008, 06:30 AM
Loads of activity again this morning so Im guessing it is still go ahead!
Auxodium
October 5th, 2008, 02:37 PM
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WAuzzie
October 5th, 2008, 05:14 PM
course its go ahead.
btw wthell is a stadia?
acc521
October 5th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Stadia (or Stadiums) is the plural for Stadium.
The title should say "Stadium" not "Stadia"
BartBart
October 14th, 2008, 01:59 PM
Couldn't see it posted so here is the September update picture from the DHW Govt site:
http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/pertharena/large_image25.html
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Skyline Art
October 14th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Where does the Bus Bridge go on this site, does it slide down to the current bus way or will it be built as a bridge past the site then slope downwards past the old entertainment centre?
BartBart
October 15th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Where does the Bus Bridge go on this site, does it slide down to the current bus way or will it be built as a bridge past the site then slope downwards past the old entertainment centre?
Goes along the back (north side) of the site.
B787-938
November 2nd, 2008, 05:56 AM
Not much new to speak of here but yesterday it looked like sections of the ground level slab in the SE corner are being prepared for pouring pretty soon.
perthgazer
December 2nd, 2008, 04:20 PM
http://dhw.wa.gov.au/pertharena/images/images_27.jpg
November update from DHW website
Dilaz89
December 14th, 2008, 04:33 PM
second crane base is now in and an example of the facade can be seen from the wellington street offramp near the site offices.
docker
December 15th, 2008, 11:13 AM
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jackso
December 15th, 2008, 11:28 AM
there is also a display of the facade near the site offices so you can see it going into the city from the clarkson line.
Dilaz89
December 16th, 2008, 06:28 AM
Nooooo docker, you missed out on getting us a pic of the facade :(
Urbania
December 16th, 2008, 12:24 PM
The facade looks good...more variation of colour and tone than I was expecting
crave
December 16th, 2008, 12:34 PM
i think UW should hit up tha developer and do an article on materials/finishes being used for perth arena... make it look like there's a concerned interest in detail...
Scraperfan
December 16th, 2008, 12:36 PM
all this talk of facade..........i need a pic or ill die.
WAuzzie
December 16th, 2008, 12:36 PM
what used to be here b4 the proposal for an arena?
Scraperfan
December 16th, 2008, 12:37 PM
lol, the entertainment centre car park. you cant have forgotten that quickly, surely?
the only other thing was for a soccer stadium, when the convention centre sites were mooted.
acc521
December 16th, 2008, 12:38 PM
You mean what was formerly proposed? It used to be a carpark. Always used to park there on Fri/Sat nights.
AUS4EVER
December 17th, 2008, 01:58 AM
ANOTHER COST BLOWOUT!
$110m Arena blowout
17th December 2008, 6:00 WST
Contractor BGC is expected to demand about $110 million in cost overruns on the Arena indoor stadium next week, taking the total cost of the project to about $425 million.
Sources say BGC will demand the extra money over unexpected costs partly because of engineering difficulties with the underground carpark, and it will also change the estimated completion date from late 2010 to May 2011.
Office of Strategic Projects executive director Richard Mann confirmed the contractor had told his office of major cost overruns “very cagily, without being precise” but had yet to confirm a price.
He said he could not confirm the figure of $110 million until the written claim was submitted to the Department of Housing and Works, which is expected to be next week. He confirmed the contractor had informed the Government recently of a time delay “well into 2011”, which would mean the Arena would not be available to host the Hopman Cup in 2011 as planned.
But he said the Government still believed it would be possible to finish the project by late 2010. There were negotiations for a different venue to stage the event in 2011 if it was not.
Spokesmen for both Burswood Resort and the Hopman Cup tournament said they had not had notification of the potential change in plans and were not expecting to host the tennis event at Burswood in 2011.
“We will turn contingency into reality,” Mr Mann said.
He said the Government would negotiate to find out how much of the blowout the contractor would pay and how much taxpayers would cover.
BGC declined to comment.
KIM MACDONALD
perthgazer
December 17th, 2008, 02:09 AM
I just hope there's no cost cutting going on
Ipggi
December 17th, 2008, 02:19 AM
First thing to go will be the LED screen .. seriously
crave
December 17th, 2008, 02:40 AM
what utter rubbish. i find it hard to believe tha amount of preparation that goes into something like this, they can fvckn come up with some ridiculous "engineering difficulty"... what did they blindly feel their way thru tha dirt and found something they didn't expect... fvck off.
fine tha cvnts. typically perth to delay projects... if it were other companies and they didn't meet deadlines they'd get their ass pelted.
AUS4EVER
December 17th, 2008, 04:06 AM
I'm scared that the finished project will be scaled down. It's so annoying - This has to be one of the best plans for an indoor stadium that I have ever seen.
Dilaz89
December 17th, 2008, 04:46 AM
what do u expect for BGC? They are ther ones who proposed the underground carpark and now cry foul because it's costing more and taking longer.
docker
December 17th, 2008, 04:51 AM
but the underground carpark is a good idea...
Dilaz89
December 17th, 2008, 04:56 AM
The government should have pushed ahead with the above ground carpark above the rail line, built it using a different contractor and then flog it off to CPP/Wilsons.
aaronaugi1
December 17th, 2008, 04:57 AM
but the underground carpark is a good idea...
that may be so but it added significantly to the costs... and now they're pointing the finger elsewhere due to the rising costs.
Scraperfan
December 17th, 2008, 05:48 AM
an inderground carpark below a stadium is something you can only do once! im glad its being put in as it covers a lot of area and will be there for a long time.
i remember when the very first orginal box plan was inveiled, it had a budget of $100 million. lol.
ryan79
December 17th, 2008, 06:29 AM
2011? Get fucked. I thought this was planned for end of next year?
I guess they did dig dirt for about a year.
Sanj
December 17th, 2008, 07:06 AM
The government should have pushed ahead with the above ground carpark above the rail line, built it using a different contractor and then flog it off to CPP/Wilsons.
i dont know much about it but isnt the fact that the cash from carpark at the convention centre goes to the city of perth and not the convention centre is hurting the bottom line. i wouldnt want that same thing to happen here and hurt the viability of the perth arena.
this is from memory off an article i read ages ago so im sure ive got some facts wrong, anyone here know what im talking about re the deal that was made with the convention centre car park?
Auxodium
December 17th, 2008, 07:23 AM
CoP have a 30 or 35 year lease.... i heard it was originally a 99 year lease....
Sanj
December 17th, 2008, 07:25 AM
yeah but any idea why the convention centre gave up such a cash cow? if im not wrong they gave it up for a relatively small amount of cash.
samboy
December 17th, 2008, 07:43 AM
yeah I've heard that too and really hurt the viability of the Conv center.
Dilaz89
December 17th, 2008, 07:49 AM
the PCC leased the convention centre carpark for $35m.
Remember, the PCEC is a private asset as opposed to the Arena which will be owned fully by the state. The carpark need not be a money spinner.
Sanj
December 17th, 2008, 07:51 AM
yeah it doesnt HAVE to be a money spinner but why lease something out if it can make money instead? we dont want to have a situation where the state govt is constantly having to put in cash to prop it up, altho that will probably happen anyway.
$35m was all they leased it out for? damn they must regret that now.
Ipggi
December 17th, 2008, 09:48 AM
I went to PA today and I could not see any facade.. only the freeway ramp.
http://www.defacto2.net/x/pa.jpg
Scraperfan
December 17th, 2008, 09:51 AM
i think its on the very west side, youd have to go right next to the ramp and exit to wellington street.
youre still on the north side there.
Dilaz89
December 17th, 2008, 09:57 AM
you need to follow the bike path adjacent to the wellington street offramp.
jackso
December 17th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Nup there is also a section of it on the very east side of the site where thr site offices are. Its up on poles or something.
Urbania
December 17th, 2008, 12:30 PM
You can see the facade piece coming along the freeway onramp (heading south) from Charles street. It is on the east side where all of the site offices are...
Qbriserth
December 17th, 2008, 05:26 PM
I went to PA today and I could not see any facade.. only the freeway ramp.
http://www.defacto2.net/x/pa.jpg
^^ That's no freeway ramp, that looks like the James Street busway bridge construction.... looking good.
samboy
December 18th, 2008, 12:08 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this supposed NEW cost blowout really OLD News? Didn't Buswell get some political mileage out of this months ago when they first came into power?
docker
December 18th, 2008, 05:04 AM
Nooooo docker, you missed out on getting us a pic of the facade :(
i can't find it, i walked the entire site and couldn't find any
Dilaz89
December 18th, 2008, 09:56 AM
I got a pic today on my phone cam. Can't upload it though.
ryan79
December 18th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this supposed NEW cost blowout really OLD News? Didn't Buswell get some political mileage out of this months ago when they first came into power?
Thats what I thought too.
Citystyle
December 20th, 2008, 09:50 AM
what do u expect for BGC? They are ther ones who proposed the underground carpark and now cry foul because it's costing more and taking longer.
Come on. BGC can't be trusted at all they play the government like a sucker, i know how contracts work on construction site and like the southern rail line allot of it comes down the companies and there own liability when priceing the projects.
If i remember the state governmnet only ended up paying for certain parts of the blow out. Hardly there responsibility.
Sure it's not good for the state governmnet but allot of it has to do with construction costs and poor tendering. For Large companies you would suspect them to be more savvy.
aaronaugi1
December 20th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Can see an example of the facade on the site as dilaz mentioned earlier. Noticed it taking the Wellington Street off-ramp.
Much more metalic and silver-like than i thought it would be.
stadiumdesigner
December 20th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Can see an example of the facade on the site as dilaz mentioned earlier. Noticed it taking the Wellington Street off-ramp.
Much more metalic and silver-like than i thought it would be.
its actually up? or its just laying in a stockpile waiting to be put up?
aaronaugi1
December 20th, 2008, 04:27 PM
its actually up? or its just laying in a stockpile waiting to be put up?
it is leaning against one of the transferable project offices on the entertainment centre end (east) of the site.
I have a feeling its not the same on both sides and hence why it was so reflective and metalic. Maybe it isn't the same on the other and i saw what will be the hidden interior side.
Auxodium
December 20th, 2008, 05:38 PM
photo of the picture would be greatly appreciated :P
docker
December 22nd, 2008, 12:14 PM
please tell me this is not what i have been looking for the past week...
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4678/arenauq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9954/p1020921copyja7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dilaz89
December 22nd, 2008, 12:16 PM
yeah, that's it.
WAuzzie
December 22nd, 2008, 12:26 PM
whats what?
`dlskt
December 22nd, 2008, 12:27 PM
The facade?
WAuzzie
December 22nd, 2008, 12:29 PM
the silver thing?
i reallllllyyyyy cant see why they'd bring the face in ... its hardly rising.
Urbania
December 22nd, 2008, 02:09 PM
That photo hasn't really captured the colours very well...the lighter parts are almost glimmering white with some sandstone-like swirls through it..
Phoenix_1
December 22nd, 2008, 02:15 PM
the silver thing?
i reallllllyyyyy cant see why they'd bring the face in ... its hardly rising.
Just throwing an idea out there because I know they do it on other projects, but could it be to see how well it stands up to the weather. The easiest way to do that is to leave in on site for a year while under construction.
crave
December 22nd, 2008, 02:51 PM
any possibility someone can get project timelines? :p
stadiumdesigner
December 22nd, 2008, 03:36 PM
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9954/p1020921copyja7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
is that entire area going to be underground carpark?
jackso
December 22nd, 2008, 03:41 PM
i think the carpark is larger the the arena footprint.
Auxodium
December 22nd, 2008, 05:08 PM
you tried to spend a week looking for that?............................
miensie
December 23rd, 2008, 02:28 AM
please tell me this is not what i have been looking for the past week...
LOL Docker
B787-938
December 23rd, 2008, 02:34 AM
Just throwing an idea out there because I know they do it on other projects, but could it be to see how well it stands up to the weather. The easiest way to do that is to leave in on site for a year while under construction.
Sounds like the right idea to me
ryan79
December 23rd, 2008, 03:17 AM
any possibility someone can get project timelines? :p
Well I know my brother is scheduled to do ceiling fixing on this site middle of next year.
BartBart
December 23rd, 2008, 03:27 AM
is that entire area going to be underground carpark?
Yes
i think the carpark is larger the the arena footprint.
And very much so, yes.
The carpark takes up pretty much the whole site. The actual Arena is much smaller than the carpark. Hence the delay once the carpark was moved from over the railway to under the site. It meant services, etc had to re-re-directed, the new layout had to be redrawn, etc.
Scraperfan
December 23rd, 2008, 03:30 AM
you tried to spend a week looking for that?............................
its the first look at the facade treatment man, how is that NOT exciting???
WAuzzie
December 23rd, 2008, 03:36 AM
1 lvl or 2 for carpark?
B787-938
December 23rd, 2008, 03:42 AM
^^ looking like 1 level to me
aaronaugi1
December 23rd, 2008, 06:04 AM
woah! that piece is silver?
the section i saw was dark blue as well... maybe there is more!!
repi
December 24th, 2008, 02:35 AM
Either that or it failed the weather-resistant test :lol:
BartBart
December 24th, 2008, 04:21 AM
1 lvl or 2 for carpark?
There is only 1 level for the carpark.
docker
December 28th, 2008, 11:22 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2461/p1020975copyue4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5121/p1020967copyry5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Navman1
December 30th, 2008, 10:08 AM
140 william, Raine Square and Perth Arena.
FINALLY the north side of the skyline gets a spruce up. :cheers:
WAuzzie
December 30th, 2008, 01:05 PM
cant belive ppl keep saying it ... since when will perth arena impact the skyline!
Direwolf
December 30th, 2008, 01:42 PM
I think he means cityscape not skyline for Perth Arena as it will have an impact similar to the PEC and the convention centre. or skyline pictures as a foreground building.
Scraperfan
December 31st, 2008, 02:41 AM
Of course it will impact the skyline. MAJORLY.
It will change the entire northern facade. This thing has a flytower you know and will be highly visible from Mitchell Freeway.
desperaterobots
December 31st, 2008, 03:00 AM
It won't change the skyline. That is, the line where the sky meets buildings.
Scraperfan
December 31st, 2008, 03:11 AM
it will from the freeway.
...maybe not from kings park. :)
Navman1
January 1st, 2009, 10:35 AM
cant belive ppl keep saying it ... since when will perth arena impact the skyline!
cityscape would have been a better word..
I'm sick of driving into william street and seeing a 2D city.
AUS4EVER
January 7th, 2009, 01:06 PM
Is there a December update? I couldn't find a picture on the website?
BartBart
January 7th, 2009, 01:10 PM
Is there a December update? I couldn't find a picture on the website?
Not yet - have been keeping an eye on the site for them to update.
wexford
January 8th, 2009, 03:21 PM
I had a squiz over the fence just then while I was out for a night ride - nothing significant to see, really. I had the camera with me (for some Perth Wheel photos - will post them in that thread in a bit) and it wasn't worth taking any pictures.
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