Technical drawings. This is a fat motherfucker

Yeah, you should send in the petition before it's too late :)

Nice to see some new drawings on this project (at least I haven’t seen them before), and I think they look pretty good. Off course I think it would be better if it was taller, slimmer and maybe with more setbacks, but it will be such a huge improvement that I don’t really see the point in being too negative. I think the complex as presented in these drawings will fit excellently in its surroundings – both in relation to the style of barcode and Posthuset & Plaza. I really appreciate the variety in the façade and I also like the street features – looks like it will bring a lot to the pedestrian environment of schweigaards gate. Does anybody know the progress of the approvement process at the moment? What is the next milestone coming up? According to the architects website the project is expected completed in 2015. Is this realistic?

Nice to see some new drawings on this project (at least I haven’t seen them before), and I think they look pretty good. Off course I think it would be better if it was taller, slimmer and maybe with more setbacks, but it will be such a huge improvement that I don’t really see the point in being too negative. I think the complex as presented in these drawings will fit excellently in its surroundings – both in relation to the style of barcode and Posthuset & Plaza. I really appreciate the variety in the façade and I also like the street features – looks like it will bring a lot to the pedestrian environment of schweigaards gate. Does anybody know the progress of the approvement process at the moment? What is the next milestone coming up? According to the architects website the project is expected completed in 2015. Is this realistic?

Updated time-scale on page 5: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3279168

Even if they get to start demolishing Postsorteringsterminalen ahead of approved regulation plan, I think I can say 2 years of construction is a bit short.

Updated time-scale on page 5: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3279168

Even if they get to start demolishing Postsorteringsterminalen ahead of approved regulation plan, I think I can say 2 years of construction is a bit short.
If they could build the ESB in 15 months in the 30's, we should be able to make 1/3 of that in 2 years today, don't you think?

No, this is Norway. Things are moving slowly.:yawn:

According to the architects website the project is expected completed in 2015. Is this realistic?

Not even the slightest. Even if it would be sent to Development comittee feb 2013, there is still a few obstacles before construction. I'm imagining several rounds in both the comitee and City council aswell as veto from RA+Jbv and complaints to Fylkesmannen. There is also archeological digging required. We are lucky if we see this completed in 2018.

If they could build the ESB in 15 months in the 30's, we should be able to make 1/3 of that in 2 years today, don't you think?

5 workers died building the Esb, i would think we can allow ourself a little more careful construction process.

At least in Oslo they will fill it, something they spent years doing in NYC;) I can´t read the document, the text seems to be censored! Ing: Would be nice to see this done before 2018, but I guess you have your facts right as usual;)

Those aren't facts - but a more reasonable guess, Nordea has a contract for moving in during january 2016 - so Klp are aubviously very optimistic about this. You would think they were professional enough to make realistic contracts tough. Guess the bank will be stuck in Middelthunsgate a few more years - and there will be plenty of time for that project to run trough the bureaucracy:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Nordea.jpg

5 workers died building the Esb, i would think we can allow ourself a little more careful construction process.
Sure, though you'd think the construction business had seen at least a few innovations since then to make up what safety costs us. Seems we haven't, though, which brings us to...

Even if it would be sent to Development comittee feb 2013, there is still a few obstacles before construction. I'm imagining several rounds in both the comitee and City council aswell as veto from RA+Jbv and complaints to Fylkesmannen. There is also archeological digging required. We are lucky if we see this completed in 2018.
...another place to save some time? I have no idea why we accept that all projects take this long. Its a pretty dysfunctional market that always reflects demand almost a decade ago.

I can´t read the document, the text seems to be censored!

Are you using Safari? I had the same problem trying to view the document with that browser, but it works fine with Internet Explorer.

Anyways; thanks for the link, IceCheese. So they are submitting the “planprogram” this very month? We should see some new information soon, then. I hope you’re not right with you time estimates, Ingenioren, but it wouldn’t surprise me if you were.

At least in Oslo they will fill it, something they spent years doing in NYC;) I can´t read the document, the text seems to be censored! Ing: Would be nice to see this done before 2018, but I guess you have your facts right as usual;)

It's a standard PDF-document. Do you read it in Acrobat, or an integrated browser-reader?

From the document, page 24:
Temaet vil belyses med tanke på leke- og oppholdsarealer for barn innenfor området.

Why?!

Are you using Safari? I had the same problem trying to view the document with that browser, but it works fine with Internet Explorer.

Anyways; thanks for the link, IceCheese. So they are submitting the “planprogram” this very month? We should see some new information soon, then. I hope you’re not right with you time estimates, Ingenioren, but it wouldn’t surprise me if you were.

Yes. Works fine in Chrome. Strange..

Updated time-scale on page 5: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3279168


According to that document KLP should have applied the “planprogram” to PBE in September, and they should have confirmed the fixed version last month. Can’t find any new documents released, though – does anyone know when we can expect some new information on this?

^^The suggestion for "planprogram" that should've been sent in September this year, is the actual document in my link;) You're asking for the same document as you link to!
About the stadfesting being ready in November, I don't know, but it's not uncommon that it takes some days before a document is visible in the Innsyn-site. I don't think I've heard anything about a delay, except Jernbaneverket being in their usual criticizing self... Of course, a few weeks off is eitherway not uncommon.

^^ Heh, I feel pretty stupid now. I guess I didn’t look closely enough at the document and thought it was the proposal for the “planprogram” released back in March. Anyways, thanks for clearing that up. I will be patient then.

Still nothing from PBE. Arkitektfelleskapet Krystallklar sent the following letter asking for some explanation for the delay dated 13th of January;

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3421678

I hope they can hurry up. The old brevsenter lowrise needs to go sooner rather than later.

And in case anyone is wondering, then I have more or less given up on my petition as I didn't manage to create any publicity around it.

Still nothing from PBE. Arkitektfelleskapet Krystallklar sent the following letter asking for some explanation for the delay dated 13th of January;

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3421678

At least the work that has to be done in Oslo S' track 1 is proceeding, and will be done during this summers' closing of Oslo S. This will secure a faster construction start when the regulation plan actually is approved.

And the 8 windmills on top of PGB are approved: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3378508

Two weeks ago the powerlines for trains in track -1 was demolished. During the closing of Oslo S this summer here are going to be done more work next to the railwaytracks.

http://www.nenyheter.no/39086/Nordea%20glipper%20for%20KLP

Bad news for the KLP building...

:(

It's "sad" that Nordea won't move into BGg 14b, but I don't think it will be hard to find tennants for this address. The regulation plan will eitherway continue.

It's "only" 1/3 of the total volume, so they will probably fill it before the planning is done (which takes forever)

Still nothing from PBE. Arkitektfelleskapet Krystallklar sent the following letter asking for some explanation for the delay dated 13th of January;

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3421678

Fascinating how slow PBE can be;

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3498126

Lets hope they close this whole project. We should avoid another fat 20-something-floor block in this sector. Unless our little petition gets wind, IMO rather have opt for the 10-12 floor ground scraper which they have already suggested. And lets hope SOMEONE is able to propose a nice SLIM high-rise in this area..! Preferably across the road :) Much better location for a high-rise-scraper no?

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/sagittariius/Screenshot2012-03-26at63736PM.png

^^ But what's the point? Any slim scraper will just be reduced to a fat box anyway.

Fascinating how slow PBE can be;

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3498126
My guess: Someone doesn't like the building, but can't come up with any rational arguments.

But what's the point? Any slim scraper will just be reduced to a fat box anyway.

Good point.. We can only hope

:yawn::yawn:

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3462223

:yawn::yawn:


Link to "oppstartsnotat", as refered to in the above doocument: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3510802