Belfast thread - back to the way it was without the control freaks.

Starbuck's cornmarket, proposals for replacement to that dark glass building on the corner of Castle Lane/cornmarket. A couple of floors retail/with a couple of office floors over. That building was reclad a couple of years ago. I can't actually remember what it looked like before.

The architect involved in the proposed 160m tower, replacement for Windsor House is apparently Foster and Partners. I heard also 203m in height discussed, this may be chinese whispers, or it may be 160m structure 203m top of mast. We will just have to wait and see what happens with reference to the current market situation and the CAA height restriction.

Belfast International Airport

Very strong possibility of new south pier to terminal building, to be constructed this winter, ready for next summer. This pier will be of a similar arrangement to the international pier, with spacious lounges at the gates. Also new 'air bridge' for international pier. Hopefully Aer Lingus will announce new transatlantic flights soon, and a new airbridge would be required to accommodate this growth and help passengers boarding aircraft on what is a busy pier at peak times anyway. This work is best carried out during the winter as the summer is too busy.

On BBC website today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7620772.stm

Belfast is set to increase in size - wonder what the new population will be?

The council 'technically' should include the urban area of Newtownabbey. I think the politics of NI, although denied by the author of the report, certainly played a part in the decision for the expansion of Belfast. For the areas added probably will give an equitable increase from both traditions. That's why the urban area of Newtownabbey will not be in Belfast as there would be an overwhelming unionist majority. Which I suspose is fair enough, but they deny that this came into the equation, when we all know it did.

Did I miss something, when I saw the image in the following link it looked to me to be Fanum house redeveloped. However before I went into it, as it was called Clarendon House, I thought it was down in the docks. It is actually addressed as Adelaide street. Personally I can't see where it would fit in on Adelaide street as it is mostly developed. Does anybody know anything about it.


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=5645

seriously now, way to be pedantic and petty... hmmmm, use a full featured and organised section of the site to discuss city developments ...or... politicise it over the use of one word and stick your virtual "roots" hheh, ah jeez. What, ye going to ignore the original thread now? lame. Pretty sure the rest of the NI users will have more sense. Attitudes like this hold the world back.
(not to blow it out of proportion or anything :D) Good luck to ye man.

UP THE HUMAN NATION, FREE OF CORRUPTION AND WAR.

Did I miss something, when I saw the image in the following link it looked to me to be Fanum house redeveloped. However before I went into it, as it was called Clarendon House, I thought it was down in the docks. It is actually addressed as Adelaide street. Personally I can't see where it would fit in on Adelaide street as it is mostly developed. Does anybody know anything about it.


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=5645

Looks very like the replacement for Fanum House by Robinson McIlwaine Architects, however Clarendon House is definately on Adelaide St - BCC building control archives were using this building after decant from City Hall during the refurbishment............. Just checked the RMI Architects website and Clarendon House is on there, but only a view from Adelaide St. The view posted above seems to be from the rear.

saoró...

Welcome to the party, good of you to post.

Attitudes like this hold the world back

No its the attitudes of 'control freaks' dictating change on what was a free area to post. Not happy with shifting Belfast into the dark room, they then decided to tell posters what they could and could not post 'with shallow threats'. Now with your slogans I would assume you are a liberal, thus you should support me well in my indeavour, or are you trying to go against the grain of free speech and support 'conformance' and regulation etc.

tyu

Its 83m high - not 71 so that would make it Ireland's tallest building alright by 2m. Not a happy camper tbh.

No its the attitudes of 'control freaks' dictating change on what was a free area to post. Not happy with shifting Belfast into the dark room, they then decided to tell posters what they could and could not post 'with shallow threats'. Now with your slogans I would assume you are a liberal, thus you should support me well in my indeavour, or are you trying to go against the grain of free speech and support 'conformance' and regulation etc.

No, instigating conformity was not the aim here at all, Im all for you having your own opinion on things, as yeah I guess I'd be liberal <insert Voltaire quote here:D> Its just that I find the involvement of politics in such a trivial matter as this distasteful, why introduce sectarianism (for lack of a softer word) to a forum like this. I respect your position though I dont like it, which is why I felt the need to post, to try and disassociate the forum from politics again. Why not use it? Ye called here a free area to post, the only difference with the NI forum is the url. Its more jumbled here, and you only have one thread to post in, it doesnt work as well, and it seems pointless to stick to a micra instead of a mustang for the sake of semantics. As for calling it a dark room, theres no need for it to be, post some new threads, UK users still post in the southern ireland forum, they dont care what its called, why should you? Ill ask ye to consider using the other forum, if not, meh, I wont rant about it, and Id post here if it was the dominant thread, but I dont see the point of it all.

s'ok, rant is over.

odlum833

Is it 83m to parapet level or top of mast. Bear in mind that Windsor house has 2 plant levels on top of the parapet which is 81m + 4m (min). And if you want to take in masts then there is also a lattice mast on top of the parapet which is at least 4m tall so all in all Windsor including masts is 89m+.

saoró

Reading through the posts on this thread where is there politics mentioned. However if someone wants to talk about politics post away. Politics is with us every day, effects everything we do including developments. What gets me going is
1. people who decide in their wisdom to dictate, you shouldn't post on subjects like '......' or '......'. People should post what they like, if other forum members don't like what someone is posting, don't respond. Silence speaks a million words. Freedom of speech, when rules are brought in Freedom goes out the window.
2. people who use abusive/foul language or hatred or bullying tactics etc. This is uncalled for.
3. Then there are rules laid out by the moderators which are there to ensure point 2 is upheld. Of course there is advertising etc on top of that.

If one bears these in mind then there is no problem, and additional rules are not required.

Note: I have posted this message on both threads, as I really couldn't care an awful lot about politics, religion or nationality for that matter!

latest planning news:

Approvals:

2008-08-01 Z/2007/2477/F 78-80 Sandy Row and 22-32 Wellwood Street, Malone Lower, Belfast (Readvertisement) Proposed mixed use development consisting of ground floor retail unit and basement storage, and 13no apartment units above (amended scheme).

2008-08-08 1619/F Donegall Quay, Belfast 282 apartments, 4500msq office space with 1228msq commercial at ground floor, 267 car parking spaces, external works and associated accommodation.

2007-12-21 2909/F 65-67 Chichester Street, Town Parks, Belfast Provision of 2no additional floors to provide 7-storey office accommodation and ground floor lobby alterations to provide kiosk.

Refusal:

2008-05-30 1085/F 93-95 Ann Street, Belfast Demolition of office block with retention of building facade and redevelopment of site for ground floor restaurant and 11 No. storeys of residential development comprising 40 no. apartments.

latest applications:

0015/F 9-12 Grosvenor Road, Belfast including Jurys Inn Belfast, Fisherwick Place, Great Victoria Street, Belfast (Readvertisement) Erection of 6 storey hotel extension comprising of 106 bedrooms linked to existing hotel and ground floor car parking with bedroom mezzanine above. Area of existing first floor bedrooms to be converted to meeting rooms.

1911/DCA 83-85 Victoria Street, Belfast Demolition of two buildings at 83-85 Victoria Street and 63 Ann Street Belfast.

odlum833

Is it 83m to parapet level or top of mast. Bear in mind that Windsor house has 2 plant levels on top of the parapet which is 81m + 4m (min). And if you want to take in masts then there is also a lattice mast on top of the parapet which is at least 4m tall so all in all Windsor including masts is 89m+.


I think it is 83 to shoulder. Im not 100% but have an inkling the description is right as Ireland's (i.e the Island's) tallest building. Which is why im flustered. Cork ffs? Jaysus be hearing about this for a while I think (at least till Dublin completes skyscraper or Obel is finished)


BTW there is a Belfast subforum in the Northern Ireland section. You really should use that tbh. It took effort to get you that space and no one has interferred in it as far as im aware. Lets leave the politics out of it eh?

al73

Do yo have the latest planning ref for the Lincoln Centre development

al73

Do yo have the latest planning ref for the Lincoln Centre development

2005-09-09 1497/F Lands between Hope Street and Wellwood Street, to the rear of No’s 69-85 Great Victoria Street & No’s 54-70 Sandy Row, Belfast Hotel scheme and health and fitness suite with associated car parking, including basement level, and amendments to existing layby and regularisation of existing Days Hotel (previous reference Z/2000/0127/F) Approved 2007-01-04

2002-08-16 1655/F Lincoln Centre Address Multistorey car park with access to Wellwood St

2008-02-08 0215/F 69-71 Great Victoria Street, Belfast Proposed 13 storey mixed use development with apartments (48no) and ground floor retail development.

2008-02-15 0335/DCA & 0352/F 75-81 Victoria Street, Belfast Demolition of existing building and erection of 10-storey mixed use scheme comprising retail at ground floor and apartment development of 53 units above. refused 5/6/08 Previously submitted on 25/01/08 as 9 storey scheme

2007-08-10 1773/F 69-71 Great Victoria Street, Belfast. Proposed 13 storey mixed use development with ground floor retail and 48 apartments above.

Try the above - may have missed some

I think there may be movement on this development coming up pretty soon.

Delta you are the very person that brought politics into these threads,and people you can look back and see that,secondly nobody is dictating to anyone,I think it was gothic that merely gave some advice and as mod he is entitled to,dosent mean you cant address what you want or discuss a certain topic.

Delta you are the very person that brought politics into these threads,

And still the rant goes on and on and on and on........

The arts centre at St Annes Square is progressing along nicely. It will be a good addition to 'Cathedral Quarter', is a pretty contemporary styled building with large full height atrium's (approx. 15m high in places). The overall height of the building at its highest point is approx. 36m. It wouldn't surprise me if construction were to start in the spring.

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/6871.php

Old news in that Ravenhill is to get a new stand shortly. However contractors are now pricing it, I have often wondered why they are spending £4.5million on this stand bearing in mind an announcement is expected shortly on the maze. However the best place for a new national stadium, in my opinion, is Belfast.

http://www.scottwilson.com/projects/buildings__infrastructure/healthcare/hospital_critical_care_centre/hospital_critical_care_centre.aspx

The best ever presentation for a project that I have seen. The first insight into the new critical care unit at the Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast. Its quite tall complete with high level restaurant. Watch the video.

http://www.propertynews.com/developmentBrochure.php?p=1112&r=ni&1

The Boat, bottom image on above link shows that the horrible cheap grey cladding, is visible from the bridge over the Lagan, thus very visible from Oxford St and Waterfront Hall. Why can the planners not refuse these tall boring, horrid walls. They can't because they are not doing their job the way a professional should. I still cannot work out if you will see it from the Albert Clock.

http://www.propertynews.com/developmentBrochure.php?p=292&r=ni&1

First image I have seen of building currently under construction in King St area. 10 storeys tall. There is a location link to a street map showing exact where abouts.

Just found this thread. Didn't know bout it till now. Why is this one here? I don't understand.

Anyhow....

Starbuck's cornmarket, proposals for replacement to that dark glass building on the corner of Castle Lane/cornmarket. A couple of floors retail/with a couple of office floors over. That building was reclad a couple of years ago. I can't actually remember what it looked like before.

Really!! Brilliant! ...no i actually have no idea what it looked like before. tbh i always assumed thats what the building always looked like. Didnt know it was ever reclad. But it will be no great loss. Just hope they dont muck up the square. The newly refurbed Masonic Building looks amazing!! Great what a new lick of paint can do!! ... Also love the Frazers building. Think the Gamestop building cud do with a spruce up on the upper exterior tho. Cant think what the other corner looks like on Ann Street and Cornmarket tho.

Very strong possibility of new south pier to terminal building, to be constructed this winter, ready for next summer

Yeah i remember reading about this in the Masterplan that came out a few years ago from the airport but didnt realise it could be going ahead this soon. Great news if it is!!

The Boat, bottom image on above link shows that the horrible cheap grey cladding, is visible from the bridge over the Lagan, thus very visible from Oxford St and Waterfront Hall.

Really still can't believe they got away with that!!! Annoys me so much! I can see that they have thought of the possibility of a neighbour to the Boat in thr future but its the bus yard and i dont see it being developed anytime soon. It will remain the bus yard for the Laganside bus centre for a long time yet i reckon so gonna be stuck with this :(


btw, can you give any info on the Lincoln centre site 937delta? :)

http://www.mylesdanker.com/index.php?option=com_cmsrealty&Itemid=26&action=listingview&listingID=59&cmsrealty=user

Saw this at Greencastle the other day, hopefully the continuation of high density housing on the main corridors into Belfast

I heard lately that the Lincoln Centre its going out to tender, now that could be just one of the buildings or the whole site, not sure but will keep you posted.

Yesterday I noticed that the Northern Bank block on Donegall Sq West has steelwork erected on Roof. Looks like an additional storey is being constructed. They seem to have cleaned up the building - I quite like it. A pity they demolished Causeway house, as the replacement is a mess-in my opinion.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/BelfastAll.htm

Top left postcard is the original scheme for St Annes, what a pity it wasn't completed as per the design. What an insult the new spire actually is.

Good to see some Northern Ireland updates here as I don't often visit the Eire forum.

Please keep posting the most interesting updates/pics here when you have time.

How do you post photo's here-why can you just not copy and paste onto the post from your computer.

How do you post photo's here-why can you just not copy and paste onto the post from your computer.

You need to upload the photo to a photo website such as flickr from Yahoo or Picassa from Google. They are free to sign up to. The on-line file name can then be referenced from here.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/artistrsquos-sugar-cube-sculpture-takes-11000-lumps-14052846.html

'sweet' model of 14 storey apartment complex "destined for cathedral quarter". Looks to me to be the proposal for near North east corner of Dunbar Link/York St junction

How do you post photo's here-why can you just not copy and paste onto the post from your computer.

The best way i've found is to use photobucket.com (http://photobucket.com/) and when uploaded the img code etc is provided and you just copy and paste it into the thread!:)


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14052846.html

'sweet' model of 14 storey apartment complex "destined for cathedral quarter". Looks to me to be the proposal for near North east corner of Dunbar Link/York St junction

Yeah looks like this one (http://www.futurebelfast.co.uk/GreatPatrickStreet.htm)
But i don't get it lol ... why exactly did he decide to replicate this? Out of all the possible buildings in Belfast? Strange!

btw, noticed the other day that the Boat has actually got alot of windows already fitted despite not at full height yet! They're obviously not wasting any time getting it up! ...also great to see Lanyon Towers and the Soloist getting the glass fitted!

I wonder why, despite previous statements claiming a start date of summer 2008, neither the PRONI or the new College at TQ havn't started yet?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/artistrsquos-sugar-cube-sculpture-takes-11000-lumps-14052846.html

'sweet' model of 14 storey apartment complex "destined for cathedral quarter". Looks to me to be the proposal for near North east corner of Dunbar Link/York St junction

I think that this one is a building running from Gt Patrick St through to Little Patrick St, with Little York St to the side of the building. Looks similar to some drawings a saw well over a year ago for a 14/15 storey located in this area. Wonder if it will ever be built as the scheme was previously for apartments?

It's quite a 'lump' of a building (pardon the pun).

By the way, the tower crane is currently being erected at the Royal Victoria - quite a whopper.

5-7 Little Victoria St/23-29 Bruce st. Architect Hughes McMichael. Saw the drawings reaches 50m tall with windows on three sides, North side-no windows. West/East sides quite long with thin gables. Not unlike Churchill House in proportions. Nice addition if it goes ahead.

Saw the drawings for the 'National Bank' hotel High St/Skipper st. The architect is Consarc. Quite tall at the back butting up to River House and reaching 2/3 of the way up. The corner building beside he bank isn't part of the project, as the hotel wraps around it and faces out onto Skipper Street further along. Overall height was 30m+. Meanwhile The Merchant Hotel extension will have quite a prominent fronting onto High St, around 6 or so storeys in a large rectangular block.

http://www.osborneking.com/brochures/The%20Boat.pdf

Interesting brochure on the Boat with floor plans, plus a well angled aerial shot of Belfast, Scottish coastline in background

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