45000 seater, first proposition, integrated with a new shopping center and light rail station :

http://users.telenet.be/freakskeFCB/stadion.JPG

Clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDPnrjkfbpU)

45000 seater, first proposition, integrated with a new shopping center and light rail station :

http://users.telenet.be/freakskeFCB/stadion.JPG

Clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDPnrjkfbpU)

who robbed the goals? Flash roof..... tells us very little otherwise.

nice new stadium!! 45,000seats only...but i want 60,000seats!! :ohno:

Nice. Belgium probably has the worst stadium infrastructure of any WEuropean country.

Can Brugge fill 45k? They have a 30k seater right now.

Looks great!

not bad :)

Looks nice but there's nothing that can really be commented on at this point. Nice roof. What's going on with the, um... what appears to be a wall... behind the goals?

Nice. Belgium probably has the worst stadium infrastructure of any WEuropean country.

You've clearly never been to Northern Ireland!

Can Brugge fill 45k? They have a 30k seater right now.

That shouldn't be a problem. In Jan-Breydel we have 20 000 good seats (covered,..) with 23 000 average visitors.

Now it is waiting for Anderlecht and Belgium has 5 realy good stadiums again
(Liege, Racing Genk, AA GENT(new), Club Brugge and Anderlecht)

Looks nice but there's nothing that can really be commented on at this point. Nice roof. What's going on with the, um... what appears to be a wall... behind the goals?



You've clearly never been to Northern Ireland!It's just a first impression. The site will contain a shopping mall (45.000 m2), 9000 parking places, and a lightrail station (not visible on the image but you can see it in the promotional movie on www.clubbrugge.be , where you'll also find a powerpoint presentation, in Dutch though).

And yes, there are still countries in Western Europe with worse infrastructure than Belgium (although you can't really compare the Northern Irish situation to Belgium). In other parts of Europe as well...

That shouldn't be a problem. In Jan-Breydel we have 20 000 good seats (covered,..) with 23 000 average visitors.

So you need to double that. Could be a problem according to my book. I think you should be happy to average 30,000.


Now it is waiting for Anderlecht and Belgium has 5 realy good stadiums again
(Liege, Racing Genk, AA GENT(new), Club Brugge and Anderlecht)

The Liège one is utter crap. Genk is alright at best.

That's a lot of parking!!

The Liège one is utter crap. Genk is alright at best.

Liege is a top stadium, but that´s my opinion/taste
With Genk there is nothing wrong either.
Remember this is the Belgium league we are talking about and not the Spanish...

That's a lot of parking!!It's shared parking for the mall and the stadium.

Intensive studies were made, Bruges should be able to grow to 38,100 season tickets. Some years ago a fancard was obligatory, Bruges had 70,000 fancard holders. At this moment Bruges has around 22,000 season tickets holders and an average of 25,000 spectators, in a stadium with a capacity of 29,000. In the current stadium the lower tiers of the stands behind the goals are uncovered, so are the corners. The stands on the sidelines and the lower tiers behind the goals date back to 1975 and haven't been renovated since (except for the player facilities (early 2000's) and VIP accommodation (1985, only approx. 500 seats)). The stands behind the goals were expanded for Euro 2000, but with a minimal budget. On the extremities they are open to wind, rain... and pigeons. The only modern and comfortable facilities in these stands are the Supporters' Café and the press room. Some of the seats in the stadium were only used for Euro 2000 and have been sealed of since for security reasons (next to the visiting supporters' compartment) and are being used to replace vandalised seats in the visitors compartment. Only cops enter those compartments...

A study has been made on the expansion and renovation of Jan Breydel Stadium, it would cost 20 million euros more than a new stadium, and that money would have to come from the government instead of private investors...

It looks like the render has disappeared anway here is a new one:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/De_Snor/stadionux9.jpg

For the final drawings its still waiting till July

http://i38.tinypic.com/jsklqe.jpg

K.A.A Gent:

Cup Winner:
1964, 1984

Cup Finalist:
2008

Supercup finalist:
1984

Construction started today after 8 years of financial and other problems. This stadium will be the first in Belgium that will be "UEFA-prooved". The budget is something between 40 and 50 million and the capicity is 20.000.

http://i36.tinypic.com/34e53sp.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/24xpahs.png

http://i37.tinypic.com/11hawav.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/64f31e.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/303is5k.jpg

pretty ugly, like that thing for measuring weight :P

Unfortunately capacity is under 30,000 therefore i changed the title to BELGIUM - Stadium and Arena Development News

pretty ugly, like that thing for measuring weight :P

I don't understand.

The building progress at Sint-Truiden this month (STAAIEN):
http://i34.tinypic.com/9kxzeh.gif

The Project (15.000):
http://i33.tinypic.com/35asq2q.jpg


http://i36.tinypic.com/bevuw8.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/smed7p.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/34fei5c.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2irq6wh.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/34hfgn9.jpg

The design for the STVV project has changed, N1V1.

There are also so much versions... Will you post the correct version, then?

There are also so much versions... Will you post the correct version, then?http://www.belstadions.be/outdoor/project/staaien/stadionstvvmx2.jpg

;)

Is it true that Belgium has two 20.000+ indoor arenas?

Is it true that Belgium has two 20.000+ indoor arenas?No. You can find the list on my website (see signature). We are working on a new site though, so it might take some time before more info pages get online. But if you want more capacity details, I could post it here.

I don't understand.

He probably meant like a scale. You know the thing you use in the bathroom to weight yourself.

PS Chimaera pls post all the big belgian arenas, capacity and pics, i'm curious.

The new tribune of Tubeke. It's the first time in the club's history that they play in the first division and they're also one of the weakest teams of the past years in the first division.
However this new tribune seems to be nice:


http://i33.tinypic.com/dbsenq.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/jsklqe.jpg

K.A.A Gent:

Cup Winner:
1964, 1984

Cup Finalist:
2008

Supercup finalist:
1984

Construction started today after 8 years of financial and other problems. This stadium will be the first in Belgium that will be "UEFA-prooved". The budget is something between 40 and 50 million and the capicity is 20.000.

http://i36.tinypic.com/34e53sp.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/24xpahs.png

http://i37.tinypic.com/11hawav.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/64f31e.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/303is5k.jpg

They are allready building this one no?
I didn´t know that they would have two sides with boxes there. In one way it´s smart, because more money, but a the option of a future expantion will be diffecult. Only on the short sides it will be possible easely.
I do not hope that they are making the classic mistake of forgetting the need for a possible future expansion, like they for example did with Groningen.

Any news about Club Brugge by the way?

They are allready building this one no?
I didn´t know that they would have two sides with boxes there. In one way it´s smart, because more money, but a the option of a future expantion will be diffecult. Only on the short sides it will be possible easely.
I do not hope that they are making the classic mistake of forgetting the need for a possible future expansion, like they for example did with Groningen.

Any news about Club Brugge by the way?

Expansion to 25.000 to 40.000 is possible. I also think that those boxes on both sides don't will be a major problem. Just demolish the 2 highest floors and left only one row one both sides.
There is also the option to expand to the field. That's why the distance to the field is quite big.

Expansion to 25.000 to 40.000 is possible. I also think that those boxes on both sides don't will be a major problem. Just demolish the 2 highest floors and left only one row one both sides.
There is also the option to expand to the field. That's why the distance to the field is quite big.Keep in mind that FIFA requires large margins around the pitch in World Cup stadiums (I think 6-8.5m at the sidelines and 8.5-10m behind the goals).

@Metal: sure, I will do it sometime (in case no one else does before).

@skaP187: news about Club Brugge is expected (promised by the government) by next week, at the latest by the end of October.

http://cache.images.soccerway.com/new/teams/150x150/219.gif

Club Brugge K.V.

Belgian Title:
1920, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2005

Belgian Cup:
1968, 1970, 1977, 1986, 1991, 1995, 1996, 2002, 2004, 2007

UEFA Cup finalist:
1976

UEFA Champions' Cup Finalist:
1978

City: Brugge

Capacity: 40 000

Cost: € 122 million ?

Stadium can be used for World Cup 2018

There is no final design yet. At the end of this year there will probably be a decision about the location for this stadium.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2513/400002011dexiaarenand3.jpg

^^Correction:
UEFA Cup finalist 1976
UEFA Champions' Cup (predecessor of the CL) finalist 1978

And 122mil? I'm not too sure, that's not the figure given by Club Brugge and Uplace, according to their information it would cost roughly 80 million for the entire project, 40-45 million for the stadium.

^^ There have been said different figures. I don't think they already know the exact cost of the project. If you look at the stadium In Ghent, I can hardly beleive 40 million will be enough.

I changed the dates of the Eurocups.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/RoyalAntwerpFC.png/130px-RoyalAntwerpFC.png

Royal Antwerp Football Club

Belgian Title:
1929, 1931, 1944, 1957

Belgian Cup:
1955, 1992

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Finalist:
1993


http://www.mysites.nl/upload2/fille-de-rat/326853.jpg

Germinal Beerschot

Belgian Cup:
1997, 2005

City: Antwerp

Capacity: 25 000, expandable to 40 000

Name: Guy Thijs Stadium

Stadium can be used for World Cup 2018.

There is no final design yet. The decision for the location will be taken at the end of 2009. There are 3 locations still in the running.

Mexico Island:

http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.391894!image/1408253480.jpg

Droogdokken:

http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.391891!image/2795066195.jpg

Petroleum Zuid:

http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.391893!image/1706630153.jpg

Stadium can be used for World Cup 2018

Are you going to organize WC 2018?Will support you.I love Belgium, especially french fries with mayonaise, despite of the fact that is very unhealthy food:cheers:.You want organize WC 2018 alone or with other country like Holland or France?

@ Likasz

Belgium and The Netherlands are candidates to host the World Cup in 2018.

Official site:
http://www.beltomundial.org/

New pic's of the works at Staaien:

http://i34.tinypic.com/ny8z9v.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/2rm5z0o.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/ny8nly.jpg

http://www.west-vlaanderen.be/nieuws/ekaarten/logo_club_brugge.jpg

Club Brugge K.V.

City: Brugge

Capacity: 40 000

Cost: € 122 million ?

Stadium can be used for World Cup 2018

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2513/400002011dexiaarenand3.jpg

What happened with the 50 000 capacity? That was the original plan no?
Are there any more renders of this design? This picture I have seen quite a lot, but not a lot of others, specialy from the inside.
Will it be something like this or is that not sure either and is this just an example?

^^ You must have interpreted some forum members' wishes for reality, otherwise I don't see where you got that 50,000 number.

No interior renders have been released... except mine ;) (follow the signature link to my blog) But those are just hypothetical (based on the little information we got about the stadium's configuration), just like the official renders infact are...

Just wait till (if) we get the green light from the government and the building permit, after that it won't take long before the final design will be drawn and made public.

it is very nice... modern.

The new Club Brugge stadium looks very nice. Any interior pics?

The new Club Brugge stadium looks very nice. Any interior pics?Nope. But I've just read on the Bruges forum that people are receiving e-mails with my interior pics in it. Wicked, I didn't know about it. The people sending them around probably don't know they're mine either. Apparently my design is leading its own life on the net. My child has spread its wings :D

http://vrt.images.infostradasports.com/images/lib/Basic/Sport/Football/Club/Logo/Large/103844.gif

SV Zulte Waregem

Belgian Cup:
2006

City: Waregem

Capacity: 12 000

Name: Huyzentruyt Arena

It will be built like the design shown in the "Club paper". A shame there is only one little black and white picture published.

http://www.belstadions.be/forums/download/file.php?id=51&sid=ea9ab2f32fb5264f9cb669f599e94aac

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/extra/regio/sport/images/logos/lokeren.gif

Sporting Lokeren OVL

City: Lokeren

Name: Daknam

Stadium will be renovated first by building this stand. Later they will built new stands to create a closed stadium.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2yx2l9j.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2i9lg9h.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/34zzxcp.jpg

http://www.vitibet.com/images/logos/fotbal/mons-bergen.gif

RAEC Mons

City: Mons

Capacity: 13 000

Name: Stade Charles Tondreaux

The stands left behind and right behind are already built.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7669/1300020stadecharlestondal5.gif

Anderlecht wil naar Heizel mét atletiekpiste

maandag 13 oktober 2008
Anderlecht concentreert zich in zijn zoektocht naar een nieuw stadion nu volop op de Heizel. Zelfs een atletiekpiste is geen struikelblok voor paars-wit.

"Er is een nieuw feit", vertelt Herman Van Holsbeeck in Het Laatste Nieuws. "Wij hebben altijd alleen maar een stadion gewild zonder atletiekpiste. Maar als we nu zien wat een nieuw stadion op Schaarbeek Vorming zou kosten, zien we daar vanaf."

"Als het huidige Koning Boudewijnstadion afgebroken wordt en daar een nieuw, modern stadion in de plaats komt, willen wij daar naartoe. Ook mét een atletiekpiste", zegt de manager van Anderlecht.

Bron belgiumsoccer.be

Anderlecht is getting deperate. They gave the signal that they would want/consider to go to a (new) stadium with runningtracks... (compared with where they are now, that nice vanderstock stadium...:ohno:)

There is one important detail you forgot to mention: Anderlecht is willing to move to an athletics stadium IF it has retractable stands like Stade de France. And that's what Guy Van Hengel, a minister of the Brussels government, has always wanted, to keep the famous Golden League meeting "Memorial Van Damme" - considered the best single-day athletics event in the world - in his city (no, no connection with the Muscles from Brussels, but created to commemorate the talented athlete Ivo Van Damme, who died at the height of his career).

I did not forget it, I didn´t know it. So thanks for the info and yes that is a very important detail. Then it would be possible that it get´s more or less excaptable.

I did not forget it, I didn´t know it. So thanks for the info and yes that is a very important detail. Then it would be possible that it get´s more or less excaptable.This is where I got it (source: sporza.be)

Heizel is toch een optie voor Anderlecht

ma 13/10/08 - Anderlecht is nog altijd op zoek naar een modern stadion voor de toekomst. Nu lijkt de Heizel weer een optie.
"Een stadion in Schaarbeek kost te veel", zegt manager Herman Van Holsbeeck in Het Laatste Nieuws.

"Als het Koning Boudewijnstadion afgebroken wordt voor een modern stadion, dan willen wij daar wel spelen."

Anderlecht wou eerst niet weten van de Heizel, omdat er een atletiekpiste rond het veld zou liggen.

"Er is nu immers sprake van een stadion waarin die piste weggemoffeld kan worden, zoals in het Stade de France (in Parijs)."

"Als zo'n modern stadion er komt, gaan wij akkoord om daar te voetballen."

Is it true that Belgium has two 20.000+ indoor arenas?


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=566100

^^

AEG Facilities wants to built, a new "0² world" like Berlin, in Brussels. The capacity will be about 15 000. It looks like the Heysel will be the only place possible to built such an arena.

http://www.triloga.be/Images/stvv.gif

Sint Truiden V.V.

City: Sint Truiden

Capacity: 12 000

Name: Staaien

The stadium contains a hotel and an underground car park. First they will built the stand behind the goal. Later the main stand will be built. Works will start on january 2009 and end in 2010.

http://www.stvv.com/nl/image/view/9883/preview

http://www.stvv.com/nl/image/view/9882/preview

http://www.stvv.com/nl/image/view/9878/preview

http://www.stvv.com/nl/image/view/9884/preview

Works at Staaien:


http://i37.tinypic.com/14mk41.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/ejfkf8.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2agllk.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/6r1yj7.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/23sg8hw.jpg

pictures of the new stand in Sint-Truiden:

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5591.jpg
http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5593.jpg
http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5582.jpg

Nice to see some stadiumdevelopment in Belgium.
Shame the stand behind the goal starts so high. Good voor view but bad for athmosphere. It´s all for the better though.

I see there aren't pictures yet of the new stand in Beveren:

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20081027/896x595/01tribune.jpg
http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20081027/896x595/02tribune.jpg
http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20080410/896x595/01tribune.jpg
http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20080410/896x595/02tribune.jpg

Staaien after a storm:


http://i37.tinypic.com/21jwsqt.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2qs6r8g.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/zkraxl.jpg

Ouch...

http://home-4.tiscali.nl/~t468243/predict/images/Belgium/logolierse.gif

K Lierse SK

Belgian Title:
1932, 1942, 1960, 1997

Belgian Cup:
1969, 1999

City: Lier

Capacity: 18 776

Name: Lisp

The stadium allready has three new stands. You can see them on the first picture on the top and left side. They are going to built a new main stand and a new little stand behind the goal. Works will start after this season.

http://www.lierse.be/files/webmaster/stadionklein.jpg

http://www.lierse.be/files/admin/stadion/tri3kl_0.jpg

http://www.lierse.be/files/webmaster/tribune4klein.jpg

Very, very ugly. I hope that it aren't the difinete plans. :ohno:

I hope that they are the plans looks really good imo. They don't build stands like this England anymore :(

Staaien:


http://i37.tinypic.com/dmpfn4.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/e66pzq.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/2q2e9p5.jpg

Staaien:

http://i37.tinypic.com/rjpelx.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/zikuxg.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/sphjit.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/1zptf8w.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/2d1r14o.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/2d2giu0.jpg

Very, very ugly. I hope that it aren't the difinete plans. :ohno:

Why? I like the two different levels.

One word: 100% CONCRETE. That's so eighties. :ohno:

One word: 100% CONCRETE. That's so eighties. :ohno:

What else are they supposed to build it out of?

Acrylic? Carbon Fiber? Kleenex and spit?

Steel construction for the roof is much nicer.

Staaien:



http://i37.tinypic.com/k1yvr5.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/15mlq13.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ijq6x5.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/344xqq8.jpg

WHat about the new Club Bruges stadium? Wasn't a decission on that supposed to be made ages ago??? And the new stadium in Brussels?

Political strugles in Bruges and even worse in Brussels. The biggest problem is to find a place to built those stadiums. This is Belgium, you know. :ohno:

Staaien:


http://i39.tinypic.com/2iw5c41.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/23m6c2c.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2hq718y.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/20hkql0.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/90r411.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1796/dscn2692lj8.jpg

Not that much development in Ghent. They were placing Pile foundations, but at the moment its impossible to work due to snowy conditions.

http://www.voetballinks.be/images/logos/00055.gif

KCVV Elewijt

City: Schaarbeek

Capacity: +- 5 000

Name: Stade Du Crossing

This is a stadium from 1916. The stand behind the goal will be renovated. The other 2 stands will be new.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr328/Bazar_01/Crossing3.jpg

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr328/Bazar_01/Crossing2.jpg

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr328/Bazar_01/Crossing1.jpg

Staaien:


http://i41.tinypic.com/2m29yc5.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/a1rabq.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2niqgzr.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qvxs7q.jpg

So, in terms of 2018, what are felt to be the likely venues? Judging by this thread, it seems the Belgians are well behind their Dutch counterparts in terms of planning for this.

So, in terms of 2018, what are felt to be the likely venues? Judging by this thread, it seems the Belgians are well behind their Dutch counterparts in terms of planning for this.


-Brussels: new stadium or renevation of the Koning Boudewijnstadion: 60.000
-Antwerp: new stadium: 25.000~30.000
-Bruges: new stadium: 40.000
-Liège: new stadium: 40.000
-Charleroi: new stadium: capacity unknown

Reserve or not sure yet:

-Genk: renovation to 40.000?
-Gent: 20.000

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/RoyalAntwerpFC.png/130px-RoyalAntwerpFC.png

Royal Antwerp Football Club

Belgian Title:
1929, 1931, 1944, 1957

Belgian Cup:
1955, 1992

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Finalist:
1993


http://www.mysites.nl/upload2/fille-de-rat/326853.jpg

Germinal Beerschot

Belgian Cup:
1997, 2005

City: Antwerp

Capacity: 25 000, expandable to 40 000

Name: Guy Thijs Stadium

Stadium can be used for World Cup 2018.

There is no final design yet. The decision for the location will be taken at the end of 2009. There are 3 locations still in the running.

Mexico Island:

http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.391894!image/1408253480.jpg

Droogdokken:

http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.391891!image/2795066195.jpg

Petroleum Zuid:

http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.391893!image/1706630153.jpg

Today 23/01 they have decided wich location they will use in Antwerp.

It will be "Petroleum Zuid". This location has the most free space and it is well accessible.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3804/petroleumzuid2fi3.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3427/petroleumzuid1wq7.jpg

-Brussels: new stadium or renevation of the Koning Boudewijnstadion: 60.000
-Antwerp: new stadium: 25.000~30.000
-Bruges: new stadium: 40.000
-Liège: new stadium: 40.000
-Charleroi: new stadium: capacity unknown

Reserve or not sure yet:

-Genk: renovation to 40.000?
-Gent: 20.000

Isn't 60,000 a bit small for the main stadium which would presumably host the opening game and one of the semi-finals, particularly when you consider what is being planned in Holland?

Surely Antwerp's stadium will end up bigger than 30,000, won't it?

Staaien:


http://i42.tinypic.com/684i79.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/b4ga53.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/6nyzio.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2qclf13.jpg

Staaien:


http://i43.tinypic.com/wbuz9t.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2128lsi.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/35240hw.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/30lmh5w.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/4tlson.jpg

maybe we can call this the Staaien topic :lol:


(vooral blijven lachen met onze stadionmiserie.. :) )

^^:rofl:

New pictures of Staaien:

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5869.jpg
http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5871.jpg
http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5876.jpg

And they started working on the new stand in Beveren:

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090223/896x595/paal4.jpg

Beveren:


http://i43.tinypic.com/9vlico.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/34zh8hx.jpg

Sint-Truiden:


http://i39.tinypic.com/2cg0ze1.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/25fua1u.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2mo5hrt.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/5d41o3.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2gxn0oz.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2niva6t.jpg

Still no decisions in Brugge and/or Anderlecht?

No, but anderlecht decided to expand their stadium to 30.000 as a sort of temporary solution because the new stadium in Brussels seems to be an extremely difficult case. :ohno:

As difficult as any new construction in this nimby sprawled country.

No, but anderlecht decided to expand their stadium to 30.000 as a sort of temporary solution because the new stadium in Brussels seems to be an extremely difficult case. :ohno:

any idea how they are going to do it? they have a cap of around 26 500 at the moment no?

any idea how they are going to do it? they have a cap of around 26 500 at the moment no?

They are going to add a new tier on top of 2 existing stands.
The final result will look like Newcastle or the current Twente stadium. Completely out of balance.

Staaien:

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5946.jpg

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5929.jpg

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic5936.jpg

Beveren:


http://i40.tinypic.com/ipz2fn.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/iwkd4p.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/bdu108.jpg

They are going to add a new tier on top of 2 existing stands.
The final result will look like Newcastle or the current Twente stadium. Completely out of balance.

What happened with this one?
http://www.stadiumguide.com/anderlecht.htm

What happened with this one?
http://www.stadiumguide.com/anderlecht.htm

it will never be built

Still no decisions in Brugge and/or Anderlecht?An important decision was taken today in favour of the stadium for Club Brugge, finally.

The secretary of "ruimtelijke ordening" (I really don't know how to translate this) managed to convince the Flemish government to decide in favour of the Club's stadium project AND its proposed location, and to forget about the alternatives proposed by the city, the expansion of the current stadium and the construction of a stadium for both teams north of the city. Some adaptations were made in order to make the project more acceptable from the economic and environmental point of view. Two neighbouring projects in the south of Bruges will be merged: a company headquarter zone, and the stadium project. The combined plans include: a park, offices, parking, training facilities, stadium with 45,000 seats and shopping. The government stressed that the entire project should be realised in quality architecture. Final decisions will be made within the month, after that the Club has to make a "project-MER" (MER: report on environmental impact), the juridical procedures can start, and people who object the project can still go to court. After this: building permits etc. The stadium should be ready by 2013.

^^ Finally!

I like the design

http://focus-wtv-kw.rnews.be/images/resized/1194457528095/614_400_KEEP_RATIO_SCALE_CENTER_FFFFFF.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii298/brammem/Blog/36ClubstadionLoppemSC1.jpg?t=1238849819

Thermo, that second picture is not official, since it's mine :D It's an old design by the way, here is a section plan of the new version I made:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/ontwerpen/37ClubstadionLoppemv3b-2.jpg

It's yours!? Oh, ...wel: knap gedaan! ;)

An important decision was taken today in favour of the stadium for Club Brugge, finally.

The secretary of "ruimtelijke ordening" (I really don't know how to translate this) managed to convince the Flemish government to decide in favour of the Club's stadium project AND its proposed location, and to forget about the alternatives proposed by the city, the expansion of the current stadium and the construction of a stadium for both teams north of the city. Some adaptations were made in order to make the project more acceptable from the economic and environmental point of view. Two neighbouring projects in the south of Bruges will be merged: a company headquarter zone, and the stadium project. The combined plans include: a park, offices, parking, training facilities, stadium with 45,000 seats and shopping. The government stressed that the entire project should be realised in quality architecture. Final decisions will be made within the month, after that the Club has to make a "project-MER" (MER: report on environmental impact), the juridical procedures can start, and people who object the project can still go to court. After this: building permits etc. The stadium should be ready by 2013.

Why don't we create a separate thread for Brugge stadium? The project was accepted by the city and the capacity is more than 30K, so, there's a good reason to create its own thread, I think.

It's yours!? Oh, ...wel: knap gedaan! ;)Bedankt/thanks! Well, I started with it over a year ago, half a year after the design was made public and one year after Club Brugge announced the concrete plans for a stadium + mall in Loppem. Before the design was released I tried designing a "Dexia Arena" myself. I posted it all on Skyscrapercity and the Club Brugge forum but of course many people haven't seen it or don't remember it.
The Club Board also knows my designs (mailed it to the CEO, talked about it with the vice-president (soon president) in person - he's an architect).

Carrera: sure, a separate thread is a possibility. Although there still are a lot of questions concerning the "what, when and how" of the project.

For those who want to know more about this project. This is the reaction Club Brugge published after the announcement of the Flemish Government.

Flemish Gouv't takes vital step in project New Stadium

Club Brugge satisfied with agreement of Flemish Gouvernment on Loppem

It is with great satisfaction that Club Brugge has been informed by the decision of the Flemish Gouvernment, allowing Club Brugge to build its new stadium in Loppem. In its meeting today, the Flemish Gouvernment has decided, upon an initiative by minister of spatial planning Dirk Van Mechelen, to further define the areas Chartreuse and Oostkampse Baan in the South of Bruges as one project area and to allow urban activities in this zone.

http://www.clubbrugge.be/img/foto/0809/rubrieken%20300x200/nieuwstadion.jpg

“Club Brugge is happy that the Flemish ministers have made a firm decision and agreed with the point of view as put forward by minister Dirk Van Mechelen. We are now awaiting the definitive texts by the Flemish Gouvernment and will be putting them up for some studying and analysing in the days to come.”

“A first important hurdle in this course has been taken, but we do realise that there's still along road ahead of us before we reach our final goal", general manager Filips Dhondt reacted.

“It will be years before we will be playing in a new stadium, but with this plan the Flemish Gouvernment has once and for all chosen for the path financed by a shopping centre in Loppem. As we continue with the finalisation and organisation of this project, we will be cooperating constructively with all parties involved in order to be able to offer maximum sportive, economic and social advantages to the Bruges region with a financially sound finance plan.”

Hard to beat dossier

Back in January of 2007, Club Brugge announced its plans for the construction of a new stadium. The project holds an expansive, modern and comfortable stadium in Loppem, compliant with the newest standards proposed by UEFA, a stadium that can be part of Belgium's candidacy for the WC 2018 bid. An independent study covering 16 sites in the Bruges region pointed out that Loppem was the best location. Several studies showed that an adjacent shopping centre would be the only realistic, lasting and doable means for financing the project. The project represents a win-win situation for the entire region, a.o. thanks to the creation of 1,200 permanent job positions.

“After two years of waiting, 35 studies and countless alternatives, the choice for Loppem as well as the acknowledgement of the financing by means of a shopping centre, is living proof of the quality of our dossier,” aldus Filips Dhondt.

Still long way to go

It goes without saying that with this decision being taken, a vital prerequisite for the construction of the stadium has been completed. Still, constructing the new Club Brugge stadium will be a long and hard road. First the definition of the Regional Urgan REgion Brugge needs to be finalised. Club Brugge will have to propose a draft MER, after which it can start entering applications for the necessary permits (commerce, urban and environment permit). After these permits have been awarded, construction of the stadium, parking lots, shopping centre and the trafic network can be taken on. Everything included this will take four to five years, which means that the new stadium's inauguration can only take place by 2013 at the very earliest.

Future

“We would hereby like to thank the Flemish ministers for their decision. As of tomorrow we will be working very hard as to the actual finalisation of the stadium project. Thanks to this plan, Club Brugge will finally be able to work further at a project safeguarding its future and to the good of the entire Bruges region. Furthermore, an important step will be taken in the rising professionalism of Belgian football, and a vital prerequisite will be fulfilled to support Belgium's bid for the World Cup in 2018. There is no underestimating the decision that has been taken by the Flemish Gouvernment today", Filips Dhondt concluded.

Good find Patroeski, I forgot all about the English version of the official site ;)

I want Chimaeras version!!!

^^ to bad clubbrugge.be doesn't have a Turkish version. :)

Why turkish :)

They just have to read this forum :D

I want Chimaeras version!!!This one...
http://arch4mc.blogspot.com/search/label/nieuw%20stadion%20Loppem
Or this one?
http://arch4mc.blogspot.com/2009/03/05-dexia-arena-remodeling.html
http://arch4mc.blogspot.com/2008/03/dexia-arena.html

this one :)
http://arch4mc.blogspot.com/search/label/nieuw%20stadion%20Loppem
Maybe closer site stands (+ overlapping 2nd tier) :)

this one :)
http://arch4mc.blogspot.com/search/label/nieuw%20stadion%20Loppem
Maybe closer site stands (+ overlapping 2nd tier) :)Well, I designed it over a year ago, I'm sure with the extra Sketchup experience I have now I would bring it closer to the pitch and create a slightly bigger overhang. Maybe not in the kop though.

^^I like them both.
But I think for a 40k stadium, well a little less actually, 3 tiers is one tier too much, because each extra tier separates the fans more.
I would prefer 2 tiers instead, steep and close to the pitch. And if possible only one tier on the kop. Kinda like in malmö maybe.
40k is not all that big a stadium you really don't need three tiers like in the Allianzarena. Two steep tiers overlapping to some reasonable extend, thats what I would prefer. Not because of architectural reasons, 3 tiers do look nice, but for a better stadium atmosphere. A capacity of nearly 40k is probably a bit too big for just one single tier, but if it would work (with the emerency exits etc.) then I'd personally even prefer one single large and steep tier, because that would probably create the most impressive and best atmosphere (of course then the vip boxes would have to be placed somewhere reasonable then). But two overlapping tiers would be good also. But three rather small tiers is a big minus in that 40k category of stadia in my personal opinion. As nice as these three black and blue coloured lines resulting from the three tiers look.

^^I like them both.
But I think for a 40k stadium, well a little less actually, 3 tiers is one tier too much, because each extra tier separates the fans more.
I would prefer 2 tiers instead, steep and close to the pitch. And if possible only one tier on the kop. Kinda like in malmö maybe.
40k is not all that big a stadium you really don't need three tiers like in the Allianzarena. Two steep tiers overlapping to some reasonable extend, thats what I would prefer. Not because of architectural reasons, 3 tiers do look nice, but for a better stadium atmosphere. A capacity of nearly 40k is probably a bit too big for just one single tier, but if it would work (with the emerency exits etc.) then I'd personally even prefer one single large and steep tier, because that would probably create the most impressive and best atmosphere (of course then the vip boxes would have to be placed somewhere reasonable then). But two overlapping tiers would be good also. But three rather small tiers is a big minus in that 40k category of stadia in my personal opinion. As nice as these three black and blue coloured lines resulting from the three tiers look.I agree 3 tiers is too much, but that's what the club intended with the original plans, with 10,000 seats on the third tier. I had to try something myself with the concept, since we didn't get to see any visuals of the stadium's interior.

And I agree with you concerning one tier in the Kop. A lot of the fans would definitely appreciate this (I know from the feedback I got on the fan forum).

To be hounest I love the three tiers design. It doesn´t bother me that the stadium is ´to small´ or something. To my opinion stadiums with three tiers have something more. The two Chelsea stands with three levels I think are very nice too for example. I like it even better when the tiers are different in size.
For example the real Betis stadium has a new part, which has three tiers which are all the same. The old ´main´ stand also has three parts, but they seem to have a difference in size.
I´ll show some foto´s. Don´t look at the difference in age of the stands, but at the lay out.
total photo
http://i41.tinypic.com/mafqmr.jpg

Old part

http://i44.tinypic.com/30wlg8o.jpg

New part

http://i43.tinypic.com/msjl1.jpg

This is where the discussion of tastes always starts, but that´s why we have the ssc forum no?
With the Brugge stadium I had the impression that the first tier was a bit bigger then the second and third. Is that right?
Does anyone know by the way if this stadium is designed for a expansion in the future also?

What I saw on a youtube news thing is that there still was no 100% security of where the stadium excactly was going to be. I hope this is not correct information...

It is true that the location isn't 100% certain yet, but the two remaining locations are just next to one another. But it's probably going to be on the original location, since that is the only realistic option so far. We'll see.

Again, we have no idea about how the stadium will be designed on the inside. We only know that the stadium will probably be three tiered, with 25% of the seats on the third, with 10% skybox/bizz seats and 5% seats for fans of the visiting team.
Again, the only visualization of the interior ever presented was mine. So we really have no idea.

It is true that in my design (40,000 seats) the first tier has more rows than the second, and so on: 1st: 20; 2nd: 15; 3rd: 9. You can find all the renderings, screenshots and capacity information on my blog (url in my signature).

I don't know about a possibility for future expansion either.

It is more than possible that the club already has more concrete plans than we know about, but we will have to wait until another light turns green.

So still nothing is sure.
concerning the rows, don´t make the third tier to small, it makes it look weak like Alianz. Think Barca! What makes that stadium so powerfull? the massive 3rd tier (on one side that is...) Or ´old´Betis style. 17- 10-17 would make it nice too.
(Fantastic designs though)

So still nothing is sure.
concerning the rows, don´t make the third tier to small, it makes it look weak like Alianz. Think Barca! What makes that stadium so powerfull? the massive 3rd tier (on one side that is...) Or ´old´Betis style. 17- 10-17 would make it nice too.
(Fantastic designs though)I know, but I did it to get a 10,000-seat third tier.

And "nothing is sure" really is too pessimistic. It's looking good, and not for Bruges alone.

I know, but I did it to get a 10,000-seat third tier.

And "nothing is sure" really is too pessimistic. It's looking good, and not for Bruges alone.

News from Brussels?

News from Brussels?You might hear something from that direction soon, that's really all I can tell you. You'll just have to wait, but not for too long, trust me ;)

It's a matter of... :D

You might hear something from that direction soon, that's really all I can tell you. You'll just have to wait, but not for too long, trust me ;)

Ah man, you can tell, but you won´t!!!:bash:
Gimmy some more!

Don´t make me hack your computer...:nuts:

You might hear something from that direction soon, that's really all I can tell you. You'll just have to wait, but not for too long, trust me ;)

It's a matter of... :D

What do you mean? :) Weren't they just gonna expand the current stadium with 1 tier to 30/35k? :o Or do you have some inside info we don't know yet? :)

What do you mean? :) Weren't they just gonna expand the current stadium with 1 tier to 30/35k? :o Or do you have some inside info we don't know yet? :)You'll find out soon. I have the feeling that I already said too much, so I will say no more.

^^ damm, now I really want to know

hmmm... Have new any design stadium 80,000capital??

^^ Could you formulate that phrase again please, so we can actually understand it?

I think he's asking whether you have any plans for a large stadium in the near future, and it's clear English isn't his first language, give him a break.

I think he's asking whether you have any plans for a large stadium in the near future, and it's clear English isn't his first language, give him a break.I was just asking him, not insulting him. English is not my first language either (actually my third), which probably makes it harder to read a phrase wrongly formulated like that than for those for whom it is their mother tongue.

But to answer CarlosBlueDragon's question now: no plans for a stadium with 80,000 seats in Belgium, but for one with 60,000 seats in Brussels, although this probably wouldn't be enough in case of a World Cup, if we don't want the tournament to leave Belgium after the quarter finals.

hmmm... Have new any design stadium 80,000capital??

I trully actually hope so. Amsterdam and rotterdam fighting for the final and Brussels is taking it with a trumendous venue.

Would be fun, but then they would have to match or go over the promised 106 000 cap of Rotterdam in case of a worldcup.

I trully actually hope so. Amsterdam and rotterdam fighting for the final and Brussels is taking it with a trumendous venue.

The first time Brussels had the opening and Rotterdam the final,i think now its the other way around,not?
It has not to be the biggest stadium to play the final,other things can be imported to,anyway, if we do this togheter and correct than its now up to BXL for the final!

^^ Brussels will never have a big enough stadium to host a final. Brussels isn't big enough to have a 850000 stadium. Rotterdam or Amsterdam aint much bigger but those dutchies really are crazy ;)

^^ Brussels will never have a big enough stadium to host a final. Brussels isn't big enough to have a 850000 stadium. Rotterdam or Amsterdam aint much bigger but those dutchies really are crazy ;)

I thnk that´s one 0 to much...
We´re crazy, but not stupid.

^^ Brussels will never have a big enough stadium to host a final. Brussels isn't big enough to have a 850000 stadium.

I disagree on that. Brussels is bigger than A'dam and R'dam. Problem is that our clubs and our national team lack success and that will never change.

I thnk that´s one 0 to much...
We´re crazy, but not stupid.So am I :D I got inspired and gave it a try :D I guess the colours are equally suited for Rotterdam and Amsterdam (maybe the black wouldn't be right for Ajax)

Aerial view: the total stadium footprint measures 327,205m² or 46 football fields (105x68m).
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/ontwerpen/850000.jpg
View from the top row:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/ontwerpen/850000-2.jpg
Calculations before designing resulted in 858,000 seats, but after new calculations afterwards and with substraction of stairs and vomitories (568 in total) I ended up with "only" 674,312 seats. Which would further be reduced after the creation of service tunnels, business seats, skyboxes, media positions, honorary stand etcetera.
Bringing it up to 850,000 could be done with a 9th tier, or by overlapping the tiers. In order to do so using the last option I would have to make the stadium even higher than its current 167.2m (now there is only a 2m height difference between tiers) and increase the steepness of the tiers, definitely resulting in more than 45° on the top tier. Right now it's "only" 39° on the top tier. So the only realistic :lol: option to reach 850,000 is a 9th tier which has a few rows more than the other ones (because with a 40-row 9th tier I only get to 816,688). The current 8 tiers each are made up of compartments 40 rows high and 30 seats wide (average).

Tier1: 39,168
Tier1+2: 90,784: basically, this would be enough ;)
Tier1+2+3: 155,328
Tier1+2+3+4: 232,620
Tier1+2+3+4+5: 323,472
Tier1+2+3+4+5+6: 427,192
Tier1+2+3+4+5+6+7: 544,320
All 8 tiers: 674,312

^^ You forgot the retractable roof! :D :lol: .D. Nice effort though! :okay:

Would be fun, but then they would have to match or go over the promised 106 000 cap of Rotterdam in case of a worldcup.

Hold on now, this is not a promise. It is the maximum the plans could be stretched to. It could also stop at 85.000 or so, but now since the Amsterdam ArenA has new plans to go to 85.000 as well, the chance of the New Feyenoord Stadium getting bigger than 85.000 seats is highly likely! :) They do want to stage the final again in the neutral city of Rotterdam. Which lies perfectly between the Dutch and Belgium capital cities! :)

But in 1982 Barcelona had the biggest stadium, but the WC final was in Madrid! ;)

^^ You forgot the retractable roof! :D :lol: .D. Nice effort though! :okay:Here you go, the roof takes the height up to 223m:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/ontwerpen/850000-4.jpg
And to fill up all the space between the ground and top tier, I put 31 floors in between (of a maximum of around 40 if you fill in the empty space below and the "ring" on top):
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/ontwerpen/850000-3.jpg
I know it sucks architecturally, but I didn't take esthetics into consideration, just size and seats ;)
Some people and vehicles to give an impression of its sheer size and height:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/ontwerpen/850000-5.jpg

That's gonna be all. Serious now and back on topic!

You'll find out soon. I have the feeling that I already said too much, so I will say no more.

haha ok :D I'll take this as a confirmation that Brussels WILL have a new stadium instead of expanding the one of Anderlecht to 35k. I don't know how you can possible have any inside info about the stadiums in Brussels but ok :). Based on your posts we can expect some good news soon :)

State of affairs of the stadiums on 1 May 2009

- In the past three months the situation surrounding the stadiums has evolved favourably.

- Bruges: the Loppem site has been confirmed by the Flemish government. The project of a stadium linked to a commercial centre has therefore been launched.

- Brussels: three options remain: Schaarbeek Vorming, parking C and an extension of the King Baudouin Stadium.

- New meetings are expected during May, and they will certainly take place after the regional elections of 7 June.

- The principle of a federal stadium with 65,000 seats has been approved by all departments. Only the location remains to be determined.

- Antwerp: the Flemish government has decided to build a new stadium with 25,000 seats (to be extended to 40,000 if the World Cup comes to Belgium and the Netherlands) at Petroleum South. The possible name of the new stadium: ‘The Port of Antwerp Stadium'.

- Genk: the dossier is finished, making it thus possible to extend the existing stadium to 40,000 seats if the World Cup candidature is successful.

- Mobility and the stadium's accessibility are being studied by local, regional and federal authorities.

- Liège: the people responsible for the city have paid a visit to the Coronmeuse site along the River Meuse. As a consequence the site has been selected.

- A new stadium creates the opportunity to redevelop a complete neighbourhood and to give a new orientation to the buildings of the Liège Trade Fair.

- A meeting has been organized focusing on mobility. All local, regional and federal authorities were present.

- Football club Standard de Liège have played an important role in this dossier, together with a number of private investors.

- Charleroi: on 26 December 2008 the city has received, just like all the other cities concerned, a copy of all plans and specifications.

- The city has made it clear that they want to be part of the 2018 project. Charleroi needs to build a new stadium in any case, as the existing one has to be pulled down by order of the Council of State.

- The necessary contacts have been established in order to relaunch the dossier in a positive manner.

- Other news: it is important to remind everybody that we also need sixteen World Cup training complexes. Several municipalities have already put forward their candidature.

- All in all substantial progress has been made. It is just as well, because the dossier will have to be submitted on 14 May 2010.

http://www.bn2018.com/page.asp?DocID=78030&From=List&langue=EN

new stand KSK Beveren:

http://www.stadionbeveren.be/assets/galleries/30/image_536.jpg
http://www.stadionbeveren.be/assets/galleries/30/1image_586.jpg
http://www.stadionbeveren.be/assets/galleries/30/1image_588.jpg

New stand Sint Truiden:

http://www.stvv.com/nl/image/view/13128/preview

http://www.stvv.com/nl/image/view/13127/preview

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic6686.jpg

Is it just me or does that new stand at Beveren not cover the entire length of the pitch making it impossible to see one of the goals from some positions?

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9823/38644976.jpg

The issue has been discussed on the Belstadions-forum (link in my signature). The field would be moved a bit to the west, thus solving this problem.

Rather crazy news coming from the Anderlecht front yesterday. Last month the club presented their plans for an expansion of their current stadium to 30,000 seats to the city council. Yesterday however, RSC Anderlecht announced new plans for an expansion to no less than 50,000 seats. One source mentions that the plans would have been changed under pressure of UEFA, but I find this hard to believe. In 2012 30,000 seats would be the minimum for clubs qualified for the UEFA Champions League (although exceptions would be made in the first years). But 50,000? No, that wouldn't be serious.

The current stadium holds around 27,000 spectators, but when the terraces are converted into seating, this number is reduced to approximately 22,000. Which means the stadium would have to be expanded with 28,000 seats. Not only does the stadium's location make this difficult (one corner is located right next to the street, the rest of the stadium is surrounded by a park) but the area is densily urbanized and populated, with narrow streets and hardly any space for parking.

Sources:
http://www.anderlecht-online.be/article.php?id=14870&lang=ned&from=home
(the article is also available in German, English and Spanish)
http://www.brusselnieuws.be/artikels/sport/rsc-anderlecht-wil-groter-stadion (only in Dutch; plus video; the model shown is outdated (40,000 seats))

In 2012 30,000 seats would be the minimum for clubs qualified for the UEFA Champions League (although exceptions would be made in the first years).

What's your source for this?

The new stand in Beveren:

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/01tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/02tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/03tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/04tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/05tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/06tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/07tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/08tribune.jpg

http://www.freethiel.be/photos/20090530/896x595/09tribune.jpg

Development Sint Truiden:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Chimaera1977/2009-07-05_113535.jpg

Development Beveren:

http://www.belstadions.be/forums/download/file.php?id=116&sid=0cf6c9238d81092231a96d166317e523

http://www.belstadions.be/forums/download/file.php?id=115&sid=0cf6c9238d81092231a96d166317e523

Patroeski, that picture of Stayen is from my Photobucket-account. I had to resize the original to fit it on the Belstadions-forum with my skin-settings. So you are a Belstadions-visitor? No registered user yet?

Stayen:

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic6996.jpg

http://www.sector-l.be/data/pics/pic6961.jpg

King Baudouin Stadium (Brussels), renovation of 2.5 million euro's (new athletics track and new pitch:

before:

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/belstadions/outdoor/huidige%20stadions/koningboudewijn/tribune.jpg

after:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08iyfUEdIy9ZJ/610x.jpg

Staaien (Sint-Truiden) new stand

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8503/280709057.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5633/280709061.jpg

Freethiel (Beveren, second devision) new stand

http://www.belstadions.be/forums/download/file.php?id=136&sid=864ae82ebc6ad0d851ca070ba0ea4fb1

Usain Bolt opens new athletics track

http://www.brussels.be/artdet.cfm/docfO_R8ONzVbs= (http://www.brussels.be/artdet.cfm/docKAUjA+ISS6g=)

Mondotrack FTX (click to enlarge)

Usain Bolt, the world champion and world record holder of the 100 and 200 meter, opened the new athletics track of the King Baudouin stadium on Wednesday 2 September. The track is the setting for the 33th Memorial Van Damme on Friday 4 September, with Usain Bolt as the big star.



The new track is the same as that of the Bird's Nest, the Olympic stadium in Beijing. The Mondotrack FTX is a track with a high elasticity, which reduces the risk of injury and should produce fast times. The track is constructed as a honeycomb system with air cushions.
New infrastructure

The entire infrastructure of the King Baudouin Stadium was also renovated with:

* a finish line with a high-tech system
* new launch areas for discus and javelin throw
* replacement and renewal of the long and high jump areas
* new field with improved drainage

The federal government and the City of Brussels invested a total of 2.5 million euro in the project. The Memorial Van Damme is one of the biggest meetings of the world. Tickets for the edition of 2009 are sold out.

By the way (to anticipate on ignorance): the Memorial Van Damme is not named after the Muscles from Brussels ;)

Notable results on the last Golden League meeting of the year:
Four meeting records, including one world record (Kenya, 4x1,500m) and one season's best (Sanya Richards, 400m) and a meeting record for Usain Bolt on 200m. Thanks to the new track? The fact that the meeting took place only a few weeks after the World Championships was not an advantage as the athletes logically peaked towards the bigger event (World C'ships). It did sell extra tickets though (mainly due to Bolt's presence).

Some more pictures of the Memorial Vandamme 2009:

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http://www.iaaf.org/mm/photo/competitions/competition/05/42/19/54219%5ffull-prt.jpg

http://www.sport.be/fotospecial/5537/desmetfs.jpg

http://img.vandaag.be/tmp/450/300/r/articles/200909220745-1_lokeren-plant-uitbouw-multifunctioneel-stadion.jpg
new plans for Sporting Lokeren (13.500)

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bEOj2c4el8Y/Sx2vZFmceoI/AAAAAAAAEEU/W-tc9HMIjQw/s1600/Antwerp.jpg

What is the future of belgium stadiums? Do they plan to build true new modern arenas like in others europeans couterparts?

Haha, that second picture of the Bosuil Stadium was "stolen" from my blog. I guess whoever took it mistook it for the real thing. It's an aerial photograph with my design for a renovated VIP stand pasted on it. Check the second link in my signature.

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Man o man, what did they do to this classic stadium.
Maybe you have a good photo of how it ones was...
What´s up with the stadium planns in Belgium. Still waiting for...
Anderlecht, Club Brugge and the drama of AA Gent.

Man o man, what did they do to this classic stadium.
Maybe you have a good photo of how it ones was...
What´s up with the stadium planns in Belgium. Still waiting for...
Anderlecht, Club Brugge and the drama of AA Gent.

In brief :

Standard Liege has dropped the idea of a new stadium and is going for a (nearly impossible) renovation. Very very very sad...

Anderlecht is working on the stadium expansion project I guess. No new stadium here either... another disappointment.

Brugge :
They still go for a new stadium, but it will be a small scale project. The initial project has been dropped by the government.

Finally, nothing is moving in Gent.

Zulte-Waregem seems to be the only club that will start building their ambitious but realistic stadium within reasonable time.

Belgium and stadia... not a good marriage to say the least. :ohno:

why dissappointments? It's better to expand and existing stadium than build a souless new stadium!

Today Royal Sporting Club Anderlecht revealed the renovation AND expension plans of their stadium (Constant Vandenstock Stadion) from 26.000 to 30.000.
The costs are estimated at 40 million and the works should be finished in 2013.


From:


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To:


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^^ Some more:

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The design looks good but only 4000 extra places for 40m is stupid. Instead of going for 40k and using this as a candidate stadium for WC 2018, no they just expand it with 4000...

And yet another load:





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Is it really necessary to spend 40 million euro on only 4000 seats and an unnecessary Allianz-Arena-lookalike makeover?
On the other hand, I do think the small stadiums are quite charming, though in need of some renovations (I'm not against terracing, but I do believe in new paintjobs and new seats!)

Is it really necessary to spend 40 million euro on only 4000 seats and an unnecessary Allianz-Arena-lookalike makeover?
On the other hand, I do think the small stadiums are quite charming, though in need of some renovations (I'm not against terracing, but I do believe in new paintjobs and new seats!)

It's not only 4.000 extra seats, the lucrative business area will also be renewed.
Anderlecht has chosen to upgrade the current stadium as soon as possible rather than to wait for another decade if they would go for a completely new and bigger stadium.

It's not only 4.000 extra seats, the lucrative business area will also be renewed.
Anderlecht has chosen to upgrade the current stadium as soon as possible rather than to wait for another decade if they would go for a completely new and bigger stadium.

Also the commune (council) of Anderlecht apparently would not give the go ahead for an expansion above 30,000. However the architects have said that at first they designed the stadium for 36,000 using 50cm wide seats. They were then told to take it down to 30,000 using 60cm wide seats.

Presumably that means that if they got permission in the future they could put the smaller seats in and up the capacity.

I don´t realy like it. I would prefer that they keep the cap thesame and fix it up good and make it realy chique, because that´s what Anderlecht to me should be.

What I was thinking by the way. Wasn´t this the design that was allready like 5 years ago or longer?
Unbelievable.

What I was thinking by the way. Wasn´t this the design that was allready like 5 years ago or longer?
Unbelievable.

No it is not. Some years ago this clearly different maquete was shown:

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Also the comfort will be drastically increased. The third ring has a capacity of 11.000 wich means the capacity in the two lower rings will be a lot less after renovation. Each visitor will have a lot more of comfort.

Concept of the new stadium in Bruges. This is not the definitive design.

http://www.nieuwsblad.be//Assets/Images_Upload/2010/04/26//stad1.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpghttp://www.nieuwsblad.be//Assets/Images_Upload/2010/04/26/stad2.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg
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Concept of the new stadium in Bruges. This is not the definitive design.

http://www.nieuwsblad.be//Assets/Images_Upload/2010/04/26//stad1.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpghttp://www.nieuwsblad.be//Assets/Images_Upload/2010/04/26/stad2.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg
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They look nice. :)

New renders from AA Gent :

http://www.vlaamsearchitectuur.be/architectuur/img-norm/NachtbeeldArteveldestadion_Gent_Bontinck.jpg

http://www.vlaamsearchitectuur.be/architectuur/img-norm/RondgangArteveldestadion_Gent_Bontinck.jpg

http://www.vlaamsearchitectuur.be/architectuur/img-norm/BusinessArtevelde_Gent_Bontinck.jpg

Concept of the new stadium in Bruges. This is not the definitive design.

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cool!! FiFA World Cup 2018 or 2022... welcome!!

nice. :)

new design for Genk 2018

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMKguUH4xI&feature=player_embedded

I wonder how the conceptual designs for the new stadiums in Brussels, Antwerp and Liège will look like.

*scoop*

Here's the first impression of the new National Stadium in Brussels!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7896/brusselsstadium.jpg

Sorry for the bad quality, it's a picture from a newspaper. The stadion will be officially presented tomorrow, so expect better pics as from tomorrow.

Men, I like this Stadium. But why they built a National Stadium if they are not sure to be one Nation??

^^ Nice picture. I can't wait to hear the details about this stadium. :)

Lots of new renders of Belgium stadiums! Love it:)

*scoop*

Here's the first impression of the new National Stadium in Brussels!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7896/brusselsstadium.jpg

Sorry for the bad quality, it's a picture from a newspaper. The stadion will be officially presented tomorrow, so expect better pics as from tomorrow.

wow... nice design, Look Like 80,000~100,000'c :cheers:

^^
60.000 - 70.000 ;)

Some better pics of Brugge (Bruges) and Genk

Brugge
http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/images/169239.jpg
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Genk
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nice. :)

Very very nice Brugge. Scandinavian feel to it.

*scoop*

Here's the first impression of the new National Stadium in Brussels!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7896/brusselsstadium.jpg

Sorry for the bad quality, it's a picture from a newspaper. The stadion will be officially presented tomorrow, so expect better pics as from tomorrow.

Still like eh waiting?

^^ Well, yeah.

These are the only pics (not much...):

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2010/05/07/stade1.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2010/05/07/stade2.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2010/05/07/stade3.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg

Here's a clip from the new Club Brugge stadium:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Y2MVfJA3g

Does Belgium federation think be candidate to 2020 European championship ?

No, belgium and the Netherlands have hosted the Euro 2000 Championship. Together we have put all our hopes at hosting a WC (2018 or 2022).

Some new renders of the Arteveldestadium (KAA Gent). Construction will begin in 3 months.


http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2535/arteveldestadion02.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion02.jpg/)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5977/arteveldestadion03.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion03.jpg/)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4158/arteveldestadion04.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion04.jpg/)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7462/arteveldestadion07.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion07.jpg/)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9868/arteveldestadion27.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion27.jpg/)

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Voilà à quoi devrait ressembler le nouvel Enfer de Sclessin

Propriétaire du stade Maurice Dufrasne, le Standard a l’intention de vendre le nouveau

Dans les prochaines semaines, le Standard et ses partenaires (la Région wallonne, la Ville et la Province de Liège, le GRE, la SLF et la SPI +) se réuniront au cabinet du Ministre des Sports de la Région wallonne, André Antoine, pour avancer sur le projet du nouveau stade. Voici déjà quelques informations liées au dossier qui doit déboucher, fin 2013, sur un nouveau stade de 35.000 places.

Le stade sera vendu

Au cabinet du Ministre André Antoine, on nous dit officiellement que le Standard souhaite vendre le nouveau stade. Actuellement propriétaire du stade Maurice Dufrasne, le club deviendrait locataire du nouveau stade. Cela permettrait d’impliquer des investisseurs privés et d’éviter un nouvel emprunt (le Standard rembourse déjà près de 800.000 euros par an pour l’Académie RLD). La décision de vendre le nouveau stade serait aussi liée aux intentions de Margarita Louis-Dreyfus, la veuve de Robert Louis-Dreyfus, de réclamer l’argent investi au Standard par son défunt mari.

10 millions de la Région

Le coût des travaux est estimé à 50 millions d’euros. Le montage financier n’est pas encore fixé, mais on sait déjà que la Région wallonne injectera minimum 10 millions. Le Ministre André Antoine a prévu une enveloppe de 20 millions d’euros, soit un septième de son budget sportif annuel, pour la rénovation/construction de deux stades, à Liège et à Charleroi.

Des esquisses

Pour que Liège puisse être ville candidate pour la Coupe du Monde, il a fallu présenter des esquisses du nouveau stade. Elles ont été réalisées par la SA Bureau d’Architectes Audex. “Le Standard n’a pas donné de consignes. Ce sont des esquisses de la version 44.000 places. Mais pour la version 35.000 places, le résultat final ne devrait pas être fort différent car il n’y a pas beaucoup d’autres possibilités vu le stade actuel et les alentours. Il y a des contraintes inamovibles tels que la Meuse, le pont qui descend du Sart Tilman vers Sclessin, etc.” , explique François Louwet, administrateur-délégué de la société responsable du projet.

Pas de déménagement

François Louwet insiste aussi sur un élément important : “On pourra continuer à jouer à Sclessin durant les travaux. On construira la nouvelle tribune 2 derrière l’actuelle. Après, seulement, on détruira l’actuelle T2. L’objectif est de faire un stade fermé. Actuellement, la T2 est indépendante des trois autres tribunes. La nouvelle T2 sera reculée, donc les limites du terrain seront déplacées dans le sens de la largeur. Les supporters présents en tribunes 1 et 2 seront moins près du terrain. Pour les supporters placés dans les tribunes 3 et 4, il ne devrait pas y avoir de gros changement.”

Autre entrée des joueurs ?

François Louwet évoque aussi une idée, qui n’est pas prévue mais qui pourrait être envisagée : le tunnel des joueurs, actuellement au bas de la tribune 1, pourrait être déplacé et mis au bas de la nouvelle tribune 2. “À l’heure actuelle, les joueurs arrivent en bus à l’angle de la tribune 1 et de la tribune 4. Ils doivent marcher sur le terrain en longeant la T1 pour accéder au tunnel qui mène aux vestiaires. Imaginons que des consignes à venir exigent une plus grande sécurité. On pourrait prévoir que le car ait un accès direct à la T2. Pourquoi pas via un parking souterrain, si une étude démontre que c’est possible ? C’est une idée, rien de plus…”
Une idée qui, comme d’au-tres, sera bientôt débattue.

50 millions only? :shocked: it's not possible!

50 millions only? :shocked: it's not possible!

The only things Standard has to do is to demolish the old main stand and replace it to make a bowl out of the whole stadium plus they will slightly modify the roof of the stadium. I think that it should be possible to do this with 'only' 50 million.

the new projects in belgium are beautiful :)

But i don't know how they could have such projects when we know jupiler league is one of the less rich in europe! It avoid to disapear completely in early 2000 due to the lack of money! Then jupiler came to help this strugggling championship

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Club Brugge K.V.

13x Champion:
1920, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978,
1980, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1996,
1998, 2003, 2005

10x Cup Winners:
1968, 1970, 1977, 1986, 1991,
1995, 1996, 2002, 2004, 2007

13x Supercup Winners
1980, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991,
1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2002,
1993, 2004, 2005

1x 2nd place UEFA Champions League:
1978

1x 2nd place UEFA Europa League:
1976

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Cercle Brugge K.S.V.

3x Champion:
1911, 1927, 1930

2x Cup Winners:
1927, 1985

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Jan Breydel Stadium is a multi-purpose stadium in Sint-Andries, Bruges, Belgium. The city-owned stadium is the home stadium of football (soccer) clubs Club Brugge and Cercle Brugge. It is used mainly for football (soccer) matches. The stadium was built in 1975. It currently has 29,042 seats. It is named after Jan Breydel, an instigator of the Bruges Matins, the insurgency that lead to the Battle of the Golden Spurs. Prior to 1999 and the Euro 2000 Championship the stadium was known as Olympiastadion.

Old and ugly.

Thank God they'll build a new mondern stadium soon.

After years of delay time, construction of the new stadium of KAA Gent finally has started:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5748/artge.jpg
wazig gsm fototje van opt buffaloforum

soon more

gefeliciteerd!

Belgium need MODERN (new) small stadiums with cap between 10 000 and 25 000 max. Stadiums like the new Le Mans (Fr) - Valenciennes (Fr) - Sochaux (Fr) - Den Haag (Ned) - Groningen (Ned) - AZ (Ned) - ... are good enough for clubs in the Belgian competition.

For example :
KRC Genk : modern stadium, cap 25 000 (21 500 for european competitions)
KAA Gent : building new stadium, cap 20 000
RAEC Mons (Bergen) : renovating there stadium, cap at the moment around 13 000
STVV (Sint Truiden) : renovating there stadium, cap at the moment around 11 500
This is what Belgium need, good small stadiums

A new football specific stadium for the national team around 55 000 max would be awesome. the Koning Boudewijn Stadium is ugly, outdated and a horrible view from the stands. And if the governement wants an athletics track in the national stadium, hope they take a look at the Stade de France with there retractable stands

good news :)

And what about anderlecht? New national brussels renovation? bruges?

good news :)

And what about anderlecht? New national brussels renovation? bruges?

No news about all 3

with no major competitions i seriously doubt Belgium could produce those stadiums

with no major competitions i seriously doubt Belgium could produce those stadiums

Ofcouse they can :

Brugge wants a stadium with cap 40 000, but they don't need it. If the build a stadium with cap max 30 000 it's more then enough for them. Same for Anderlecht and Standard.

Genk and Gent are in my opinion the smarter clubs. Genk has a stadium with 25 000 and it's almost everytime sold out. Genk are building a stadium with cap 20 000 and it will be filled up every home game for 75% and 100% when there is a "derby" game or top game.

The smaller clubs like RAEC Mons - STVV - SV Zulte Waregem - Lokeren are planning to renovate or renovating there stadiums to a cap that's average for them.
The city of Antwerp is planning to build a stadium with cap 25 000 for Beerschot and Royal Antwerp Football Club (2nd division)

So there's many ideas and...
The only thing they have to do, is think twice before they act.
Belgium doesn't need big stadiums, they need good small stadiums so the clubs can grow and the competition also. The best example is Twente in The Netherlands !

Nice Development in Belgium, still in my idea an Benelux-League would boost football to a much more higher level.

i agree! But how many teams has got netherlands league?

And belgium?

A merge won't destroy smaller clubs?

Hi all, am newly registered but have been reading for a while.

Belgium football has a much bigger potential than its current achievement. It has a lot of history, traditions, identity and very dense urban areas. It should be in a league approaching that of French, Portuguese or Dutch clubs. Clubs like Braga, LOSC or PSV are the perfect examples to follow.

Antwerp is a large city, by far the 2nd in Belgium. It also has a very long football tradition with Antwerp FC (made a European cup final not too long ago if memory serves) and legendary Beerschot. How come there is no strong side (re)emerging there, to be at least on par with Anderlecht, Standard, FC Bruges and Genk??

As for stadiums I just love what Sint-Truiden have done to the Stayen. Anyone knows where I can find more pictures, especially from recent match days, at field level? it does not have that glowy and shiny look of all those new arenas which I dislike most of the time, but rather this mix of modern/classic architecture that is hard to find.

Last question: are there still good club academies in Belgium, capable of breeding out good young local players? which?

cheers

Young belgians have 2 options now:

-go to netherlands
-go to north of France at Lille like Eden hazard jewel :cheers:

The aim is to be targeted by premier league top clubs

It is the case when you look what happens (felaini,vermeulen,hazard...)

How big is the salary gap say, between the average player in Anderlecht or Club Bruges, and Twente, Utrecht, PSV or Lille? there is no real fundamental reason that it should be that big, and if it is, it can be changed.

Both Portugal and the Netherlands have had a relative downturn compared to their club football past glory, but they managed it and are coming back strong now.

French league pays better than eredivise or jupiler.

Lille is not the club that pay the most paid players are about 200 000€ and the average is between 50 000 & 100 000 € per month

The club has imposed a sort of "salary cap" . It is a good thing to avoid inflation for a club in construction.

Waiting the new add value potentially brung by the new stadium.

You don't make money on the same level when you have a 17k stadium & 50k seater.

But for hazard (i live in lille) it's more a gate to come here and being developed in remarkable camp training:

http://www.losc.fr/club-lille/domaine-de-luchin

Belgium is unable to offer that for its best youngs for now then they fly away.

LOSC is a good example of a club that has changed its fortune quietly, through hard work and resilience, and of course as you said, a new stadium. They've worked out a clever balance between local/regional good homegrown players that they recruited soon enough, and a few key external transfers. Good coaches. Took time, but paid off and now they're on a roll for a decade.

Anyway let's leave Hazard aside, he is well above the French league as a whole and is already being targeted by top tier clubs. Lille is 2nd tier, trouble is there is no Belgian club in this 2nd tier. While there are a few good stadiums, and new ones being built...

Maybe the overal quality of young Belgian footballers has gone down tremendously. When I was a kid in the 80's, there was at least 30 or 40 Belgian players in all positions that would have been solid starters in any of the major continental championships. Today we are far away from such a figure, as the results of the national side demonstrate. If there were more quality players coming out of Belgian academies, then for sure some of them, maybe half, would be retained in the top 4/5 clubs and this would create a positive spin to the entire system. The economics are there to have Anderlecht, FC Bruges, Genk/Antwerp and Standard, in European second tier.

Young belgians have 2 options now:

-go to netherlands
-go to north of France at Lille like Eden hazard jewel :cheers:

The aim is to be targeted by premier league top clubs

It is the case when you look what happens (felaini,vermeulen,hazard...)

This is not true anymore. Genk, Standard and Anderlecht have a very good youth program. It is true that Vermaelen and Hazard left Belgium at a very early age, but Fellaini was a 100% youth product of standard, together with Witsel (Benfica) and Defour (Porto, actually he's a genk youth product), they left after they won the championship and played champions league with standard and had nothing to achieve any more in Belgium. Anderlecht had Kompany (Man City) and Lukaku (Chelsea) and Genk Courtois (Chelsea but on loan for Atletico Madrid).

About the stadiums: like mentioned above we need good small stadiums. And there is a very small progression. But i'm not a fan of renovation, eventually it will get outdated again and again. Take for example euro 2000, instead of building nice new stadiums they renovated all of them hoping they would be good to go for another 20 years but after 10 years they've become almost completely useless. Unfortunately the political situation in Belgium makes it impossible to build new stadiums and the clubs are forced to renovate or do nothing.

it's true that they thought euro 2000 stadiums renovated were good enough to last 20 years but look at them now :|

The same for France with WC 1998-> a total shame now.

Thanks to euro 2016 the update will last 30 years i think.

I base my opinion on what look likes the SDF st denis 14 years after. It still very good and need a light update.

To be honest, all Belgian Euro 2000 apart from perhaps the King Baudouin Stadium were already outdated and looking in dire state during the tournament.

There are a few very nice "small stadiums".

Lierse : Herman Vanderpoortenstadion (15K)

Sint-Truidense : Stayen (11K)

Mechelen : Achter de Kazerne (13K)

Gent: Ottenstadion (13K)

I guess those have been renovated in a recent past, look very nice and seem to fill in reasonably well.

There are a few very nice "small stadiums".

Lierse : Herman Vanderpoortenstadion (15K)

Sint-Truidense : Stayen (11K)

Mechelen : Achter de Kazerne (13K)

Gent: Ottenstadion (13K)

I guess those have been renovated in a recent past, look very nice and seem to fill in reasonably well.

You must be kidding, right ?

No.

According to wiki in 2010/2011, average attendances in those small stadiums were :

- KAA Gent : 10,882 vs 12,919 max pax (84%) - ranked 3rd

- KV Mechelen : 11,322 vs 13,123 (86%) - ranked 7th

- Sint-Truidense : 8,479 vs 12,491 (68%) - ranked 12th

- SK Lierse : 9,922 vs 14,538 (68%) - ranked 14th

That's decent.

No.

According to wiki in 2010/2011, average attendances in those small stadiums were :

- KAA Gent : 10,882 vs 12,919 max pax (84%) - ranked 3rd

- KV Mechelen : 11,322 vs 13,123 (86%) - ranked 7th

- Sint-Truidense : 8,479 vs 12,491 (68%) - ranked 12th

- SK Lierse : 9,922 vs 14,538 (68%) - ranked 14th

That's decent.

The attendances are decent indeed, but the stadiums aren't.

Gent's stadium is totally outdated, they're building a new stadium atm (cap around 20.000, not too big, good choice)
Mechelen has an even worse stadium, they are also planning to move but no real progress. As far as i remember the city wants them to share the new stadium with racing mechelen.
Sint Truiden is replacing their stands, they already have 2 new stands and they're building the third right now.
Lierse has build one new stand about 10 years ago and after that some minor changes in the other stands. Now they are replacing a second stand.

So Gent and Sint-Truiden are going in the right direction. Mechelen is trying, and Lierse falling behind.

mathyas, thanks for clarifying that.

Call me old fashioned, but i recently visited the current stadium's at Gent, Lierse and Mechelen, and they are all wonderful - so rich in history and all so different. If they all built new stadiums, they would all look pretty much the same - new and shiny and souless.

To be honest, all Belgian Euro 2000 apart from perhaps the King Baudouin Stadium were already outdated and looking in dire state during the tournament.

The main problem was a complete lack of vision in combination with insufficient budgets which resulted in poor and old fashioned stadium architecture.

But I still like Mambourg in Charleroi. That truly is a fascinating stadium. Nice steel structure as well (won the Belgian Steel Price). Absolutely worth a visit, even now with reduced capacity.

Call me old fashioned, but i recently visited the current stadium's at Gent, Lierse and Mechelen, and they are all wonderful - so rich in history and all so different.

But they severely lack comfort. They are built with standards of a bygone era, when standards for stadium (not only in Belgium) were much lower because they had limited vision and a close mind at the time, one that couldn't see football attendance as an experience, but only as "a game to watch in the cheapest possible fashion" - which plagued, until the early 1980s, football with a stereotype of being the domain of the least literate half of society. Europe has overcome that image, and so did Belgium to an extent.

About stadiums: Liège is in severe need of a new stadium IMO. They could build one in that island full of disused industries in the Meuse. I once saw Charleroi stadium from the outside, it didn't look ok, but I don't know about the interiors.

Yep, low comfort is one thing. But another important problem is that a decent stadium generates a lot more money.

But trying to generate more money by building a new stadium can also be a problem. Take for example Club Bruges. In Belgium it's very hard to find a place to built a new stadium, but for Bruges they finally found a location. Now what happened, they also wanted to build a mall, and use the rent from these shops to pay the new stadium. So finally there are no complaining people that live near the stadium but instead of that the retailers from the whole region start to complain and the whole thing is cancelled again. Now you would say just built the stadium without the mall, but let the chairman be the owner of a construction company specialized in building malls and there you have it.

About stadiums: Liège is in severe need of a new stadium IMO. They could build one in that island full of disused industries in the Meuse. I once saw Charleroi stadium from the outside, it didn't look ok, but I don't know about the interiors.
Liege has a great stadium, one of my all-time favourites :) It could use a major renovation, but I think should remain with the ultra-steep 3-tiered stands.

Yep, low comfort is one thing. But another important problem is that a decent stadium generates a lot more money.


It's one of the paradoxes of fandom, in that nearly all fans say they love the old places more, yet the new stadiums usually get much higher crowds. A rise of around 50% is pretty much normal.

I don't think comfort comes into it that much. One plastic seats is just the same as any other. I think a new stadium equates to ambition and taking the club to a new level - a step up on the professional food chain, and that inspires people to go along.

It's one of the paradoxes of fandom, in that nearly all fans say they love the old places more, yet the new stadiums usually get much higher crowds. A rise of around 50% is pretty much normal.

I don't think comfort comes into it that much. One plastic seats is just the same as any other. I think a new stadium equates to ambition and taking the club to a new level - a step up on the professional food chain, and that inspires people to go along.
I think that is (unfortunately) very true; anything new in a city, flashy, which has cost a lot and even better if it has faced strong oppositions, will attract crowds. It would however be good to know how sustainable such an increase is on the long term, when the "new ambition effect" has vaned. I would also like to know, for small clubs, of how much an attendancy impact a new stadium really has.

It is also a good opportunity for clubs to justify charging more for the tickets: "I'm now endebted because I've built this new stadium, so you will understand that ticket prices will increase 50% over the next 2 seasons and 100% thereafter". New stadiums bring in different crowds, the whole experience of watching a ball game is changed completely.

Liege has a great stadium, one of my all-time favourites :) It could use a major renovation, but I think should remain with the ultra-steep 3-tiered stands.
I'm very much the same, Sclessin really has something! the surrounding factories, the steep stands, that stand-alone tribune, that rectangular and look the stadium has... it is very impressive for visiting teams (mid-sized and atmosphere packed stadiums are much more impressive to visitors than larger stadiums with fans sitting far away from the action). I think it would be a shame to lose all that and transform it into a glowy and roundish arena. I find it actually good that they have decided to stay on site in Sclessin, but am a bit concerned because it seems the new stands (or some of them) will now be further away from the pitch...

I think that is (unfortunately) very true; anything new in a city, flashy, which has cost a lot and even better if it has faced strong oppositions, will attract crowds. It would however be good to know how sustainable such an increase is on the long term, when the "new ambition effect" has vaned. I would also like to know, for small clubs, of how much an attendancy impact a new stadium really has.

In England at least, the impact seems to be permanent rather than just being a boost for a few years.

There are a few exceptions, such as Coventry and Darlington, but they tend to coincide with very poor on-the-field performances (and possibly grounds being build too big).


It is also a good opportunity for clubs to justify charging more for the tickets: "I'm now endebted because I've built this new stadium, so you will understand that ticket prices will increase 50% over the next 2 seasons and 100% thereafter". New stadiums bring in different crowds, the whole experience of watching a ball game is changed completely.
I haven't really noticed clubs hiking up ticket prices upon moving, although the upper tier at The Emirates is eye-wateringly expensive. Seats in new places do tend to be in line with seats elsewhere.

In England at least, the impact seems to be permanent rather than just being a boost for a few years.

There are a few exceptions, such as Coventry and Darlington, but they tend to coincide with very poor on-the-field performances (and possibly grounds being build too big).

In that case the increase cannot simply be due to the "ambition effect", which should fade after a few years once people have become used to the new stadium as if it had always been there.

Maybe the Premier League is too specific to be taken as an example. In Portugal for instance, there were many new stadiums built after Euro 2004. For many of those small clubs that benefited from a brand new stadium (Leiria, Farense, Coimbra, Beira-Mar,...) I do not think there has been any sustainable increase in crowd attendance.


I haven't really noticed clubs hiking up ticket prices upon moving, although the upper tier at The Emirates is eye-wateringly expensive. Seats in new places do tend to be in line with seats elsewhere.

Yeah I guess I was wrong. Tickets are increasing everywhere at a fast rate, whether there's a new stadium or not. And when the brand and following is established, it works. In my city for instance, rugby tickets for regular season games with Stade Toulousain have increased amazingly over the past 3 to 4 years. Almost 50%. They had 95% load factor before, they have the same or maybe better now, with 50% more ticket sale revenue.

In that case the increase cannot simply be due to the "ambition effect", which should fade after a few years once people have become used to the new stadium as if it had always been there.

the difference is that poor performances in those cases have seen crowds drop to their previous levels. Had they not moved, crowds would have dropped lower.

If you can get, in a bad spell, the same crowds as you did before when you are average, then although your crowds are the same as before, in reality you still have rise.

It's not purely about ambition, but it creates an impression that the club is somehow now a "bigger club" than before. That impresion will remain even when the novelty wears off.


Maybe the Premier League is too specific to be taken as an example. In Portugal for instance, there were many new stadiums built after Euro 2004. For many of those small clubs that benefited from a brand new stadium (Leiria, Farense, Coimbra, Beira-Mar,...) I do not think there has been any sustainable increase in crowd attendance.

Build a ground that's far too big and it destroys atmosphere, making it an unpleasant place to watch.

KAA Gent : building new stadium, cap 20 000



I'm traveling to Gent in April, in what state will the new stadium be in by then?

Probably a concrete construction without cladding. You can follow up on the construction progress in this thread: GENT : Arteveldestadion (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1205531). Discussion is in Dutch, but there's plenty of pictures as well.

^Thanks!

from the belgian forum:

Goedenavond iedereen, aangezien ik deze namiddag rond half 4 in de buurt van het UZ moest zijn, kon ik het niet laten om nog eens een kijkje te nemen naar het Arteveldestadion.

Sinds vorige week zijn er vooral aan de 2 kanten van de hoofdtribunes terug wat palen bijgekomen, met om de +- 25m een muur ertussen. Voor de tribune (kant autostrade) zijn er nu ook nieuwe elementen geplaatst op de muur langs de gracht, alsook wat vloerplaten op de tussenverdiepen. Een paar foto's:

1.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_1524_crop.jpg


2.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_1521_crop.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_1519_ps.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_1522.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_1525.jpg

Gent

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120311_air/IMG_7237-border.jpg

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120311_air/IMG_7238-border.jpg

foto's wel niet zelf genomen deze keer
en vooraan wsl bezig met liftschachten?

any pics or infos about renovation of Stade Du Crossing, Brussel ?? thx :)

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Gent

Other pictures (June 15):

Het is een tijdje geleden maar vandaag heb ik nog eens tijd gehad om eens langs te gaan voor een update. Helaas wordt het steeds moeilijker om duidelijke foto's te nemen omdat alles steeds voller begint te staan.

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2368_crop.jpg

2. Het ziet er naar uit dat ze deze tribune als laatste zullen afwerken, want hier zijn er al een tijdje geen veranderingen meer gebeurd.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2370_crop.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2373_crop.jpg

4. De linkse lange zijde is nu ook al volledig voorzien van tribuneliggers, nog 2 te gaan :)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2374_crop.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2378_crop.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2379_crop.jpg

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2380_crop.jpg

8. Blijkbaar komt er ook een ondergronds deel?

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/jeropeet/Arteveldestadion/DSC_2384_crop.jpg

Update on new stadium KAA Gent (Cap. 20000)


mss wel, want bvb qua toegankelijkheid wordt het zelf beter dan de EK-stadions.

soit, nieuwe luchtfoto's:

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120619_fly/001.jpg

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120619_fly/002.jpg

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120619_fly/003.jpg

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120619_fly/004.jpg

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120619_fly/005.jpg

And again:


Foto's van BIEB, staan al enkele dagen online, zag ze hier nog niet verschijnen.

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120813_fly/001.jpg

http://www.bieb.be/art/20120813_fly/002.jpg

Was a new Nationaal Stadion only proposed if Benelux got the WC, or are they still going to build it?

Also are there any more pictures, the only 2 I have seen are these 2...and they look really nice!
http://www.urbika.com/imgs/projects/large/1896_nationaal-stadion.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7896/brusselsstadium.jpg

Well, they want to build a new national stadium, but that's still a future project.

There are still several clubs in Belgium like Brugge, Anderlecht, etc. who are trying to get a new stadium because they really need it. It seems logical to me that they will get a new stadium first, before starting on a new national stadium.

Overview of the Arteveldestadion in Ghent by A.R.A.G.:

http://imageshack.us/a/img267/7648/arteveldestadion3009201.jpg

Looks great, thanks.

52111977

video shot by a drone!

Works at Ghent

http://i50.tinypic.com/6ftte1.jpg

where are the renders for ghent?

^^ here
Some new renders of the Arteveldestadium (KAA Gent). Construction will begin in 3 months.


http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2535/arteveldestadion02.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion02.jpg/)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5977/arteveldestadion03.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion03.jpg/)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4158/arteveldestadion04.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion04.jpg/)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7462/arteveldestadion07.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion07.jpg/)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9868/arteveldestadion27.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/arteveldestadion27.jpg/)

Thanks.
Outside os better than outside