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TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 02:03 PM

வாகன சோதனையில் ரூ. 17 கோடி சிக்கியது : பிரவீன்குமார் தகவல்

சென்னை : தமிழகம் முழுவதும் இதுவரை நடத்தப்பட்ட வாகன சோதனையில் ரூ.17 கோடி சிக்கியதாக தமிழக தலைமை தேர்தல் அதிகாரி பிரவீன்குமார் தெரிவித்தார். சென்னையில் இன்று பேட்டியளித்த அவர் : தேர்தல் நடத்தை விதிமுறைகள் அமலானதில் இருந்து தமிழகம் முழுவதும் இதுவரை நடத்தப்பட்ட வாகன சோதனையில் பணமாக ரூ. 9 கோடியும், தங்கம் , வெள்ளி மற்ற பொருட்களாக விதமாக ( மதிப்பு ரூ.8 கோடி ) என மொத்தம் 17 கோடி சிக்கியதாக தெரிவித்தார்.

கொ.மு.க., வேட்பாளர்கள் அறிவிப்பு
சென்னை : திமுக கூட்டணியில் கொமுக எனப்படும் கொங்குநாடு முன்னேற்றக் கழகம் 7 தொகுதிகளில் போட்டியிடுகிறது. இதில் 6 வேட்பாளர்களுக்கான பெயர்களை இன்று கட்சித் தலைவர் பெஸ்ட் ராமசாமி அறிவித்தார். சூலூர் - ஈஸ்வரன், பல்லடம் - பாலசுப்ரமணியன், பொள்ளாச்சி - நித்தியானந்தன், உடுமலைப்பேட்டை - இளம்பரிதி, பெருந்துறை - .கே.சி.பாலு, கோபிச்செட்டிப்பாளையம் - சிவராஜ். நாமக்கல் தொகுதியில் போட்டியிடும் வேட்பாளர் பெயர் பின்னர் அறிவிக்கப்படும் என்று பெஸ்ட் ராமசாமி தெரிவித்தார்.

விடுதலை சிறுத்தை வேட்பாளர் பட்டியல் அறிவிப்பு
சென்னை : தமிழக சட்டசபை தேர்தலை தி.மு.க., கூட்டணியில் இருந்து எதிர்கொள்ளும் விடுதலை சிறுத்தை கட்சிக்கு 10 தொகுதிகள் ஒதுக்கப்பட்டது. 10 தொகுதிகளுக்குமான வேட்பாளர்கள் அறிவிக்கப்பட்டனர். சீர்காழி- உஞ்சை அரசன், உளுந்தூர்பேட்டை- முகமது யூசுப், சோழிங்கநல்லூர் - எஸ்.எஸ். பாலாஜி, செய்யூர் - பார் வேந்தன், அரக்கோணம்- செல்லப்பாண்டி, திட்டக்குடி- சிந்தனைச் செல்வன், அரூர் - நந்தன், காட்டு மன்னார் கோயில் - ரவிக்குமார், ஊத்தங்கரை - முனியம்மாள் கனியமுதன், கள்ளக்குறிச்சி - பாவரசு.

மார்க்சிஸ்ட்-இந்திய கம்யூனிஸ்ட் தொகுதிகள் பட்டியல்

1.திண்டுக்கல்
2.கீழ்வேளூர் (தனி)
3.பெரம்பூர்
4.மதுரை தெற்கு
5.விளவங்கோடு
6.பெரியகுளம் (தனி)
7.மதுரவாயல்
8.அரூர்
9.சிதம்பரம்
10.திருப்பூர் தெற்கு
11.பாளையங்கோட்டை
12.விக்கிரவண்டி

வைகோவுடன் - அ.தி.மு.க.,நிர்வாகிகள் சந்திப்பு:ம.தி.மு.க.,வுக்கு 13 தொகுதி-ஒரு ராஜ்யசபா சீட் தர முடிவு

சென்னை: ம.தி.மு.க.,வுக்கு 13 தொகுதிகளும் , ஒரு ராஜ்யசபா சீட்டும் ஒதுக்கி தரப்படும் என அ..தி.மு.க., தரப்பில் வைகோவிடம் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டது.

News coming thick and fast. Thatha is going to release his comedy document today. Somebody post it here as soon as it is released. I am curious to know what he is prepared to offer for free with our money.

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 02:12 PM

Mr.Nellai

March 19th, 2011, 02:40 PM

I think 13 seats + 1 Rajya sabha seat is pretty decent offer for MDMK. In 2001, they contested alone and couldnt win even one seat. They got only 4.5% vote. In the last 10 years, there were so many defections. In 2006, they were given 35 seats and could win only 6. Even among them, 3 left for DMK. Considering all these, 13 + 1 RS seat is a pretty good offer. Ofcourse ADMK ideally should be a little more generous for all the loyalty they have shown in the last 5 years and give 15 - 16 but MDMK has no reason to be unhappy with the current offer. They would win atleast 10 of the 13 if they contest with ADMK.

MDMK and commies are real examples of symbiosis in politics. Only when both forces join together they can taste success. This is true for constituencies in CBE, tiruppur and some constituencies in the south surrounding theni as well as some constituencies like kovilpatti. Both commies and MDMK fought together for people, may it be Tamirabarani sand mining,Mullai periyar, lankan issue, cauvery issue and the closing of dyeing units in tiruppur. So if and only if both sides are together, it will be beneficial for both of them

Also when PMK, which was not able to win a single seat in the past lok saba elections can get 30 seats, parties like VC which has no significant stronghold can get 10 seats, why can't MDMK get at-least 21?

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 02:58 PM

MDMK and commies are real examples of symbiosis in politics. Only when both forces join together they can taste success. This is true for constituencies in CBE, tiruppur and some constituencies in the south surrounding theni as well as some constituencies like kovilpatti. Both commies and MDMK fought together for people, may it be Tamirabarani sand mining,Mullai periyar, lankan issue, cauvery issue and the closing of dyeing units in tiruppur. So if and only if both sides are together, it will be beneficial for both of them

Also when PMK, which was not able to win a single seat in the past lok saba elections can get 30 seats, parties like VC which has no significant stronghold can get 10 seats, why can't MDMK get at-least 21?

First of all you have to differentiate between DMK and ADMK alliance. Thatha is desperate this time to get as much parties as possible. You have to compare parties within an alliance. If congress can get 63, PMK has enough base for 30 and VCK for 10. You cannot compare the seats PMK got in DMK alliance and what MDMK gets in ADMK alliance. For that matter I beleive MDMK is going to win more seats (around 10 + 1 RS) than congress (maybe 7 or 8).

Mr.Nellai

March 19th, 2011, 03:11 PM

First of all you have to differentiate between DMK and ADMK alliance. Thatha is desperate this time to get as much parties as possible. You have to compare parties within an alliance. If congress can get 63, PMK has enough base for 30 and VCK for 10. You cannot compare the seats PMK got in DMK alliance and what MDMK gets in ADMK alliance. For that matter I beleive MDMK is going to win more seats (around 10 + 1 RS) than congress (maybe 7 or 8).

Your comparison is correct. But my point is 30 seats for PMK is over representation of their political status and for MDMK it is under representation.

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 03:17 PM

Your comparison is correct. But my point is 30 seats for PMK is over representation of their political status and for MDMK it is under representation.

I agree 30 is a bit too much for PMK. What to do? Thatha was cornered. I wish they lose all 30.

Mr.Nellai

March 19th, 2011, 03:39 PM

2011 சட்டசபைத் தேர்தல் திமுக தேர்தல் அறிக்கையில் இடம்பெறப் போவது என்ன?

English summary
All the eyes are on Anna Arivaylayam. Why?.DMK is ready to release its election Manifesto on March 19. In last assembly polls free schemes got prominant place in DMK's manifesto. Among them Free TV was the 'Hero'. Likewise, this year too DMK may announce more freebies, sources say.

கடந்த சட்டசபைத் தேர்தலில் திமுகவுக்கு வெற்றி தேடிக் கொடுத்த இலவச டிவி உள்ளிட்ட இலவச அறிவிப்புகளைப் போல இந்த தேர்தல் அறிக்கையிலும் அசத்தலான இலவச அறிவிப்புகள் இடம் பெறும் என்ற பலத்த எதிர்பார்ப்பு நிலவுகிறது.

ரஜினி படம் ரேஞ்சுக்கு மாறி விட்டது திமுகவின் தேர்தல் அறிக்கை. வழக்கமாக ரஜினி படம் வெளியாவதற்கு முன்பு ஏகப்பட்ட செய்திகள் வருவது வழக்கம். படத்தில் இது இருக்கிறது, அது இருக்கிறது, இந்த சிறப்பம்சம் உள்ளது என்று கூறுவது போல, திமுகவின் தேர்தல் அறிக்கையிலும் என்னென்ன சிறப்பம்சங்கள் இருக்கப் போகின்றன என்பதுதான் இப்போதைய பெரும் எதிர்பார்ப்பாக மாறியுள்ளது.

காரணம், கடந்த தேர்தல் அறிக்கையில் திமுக அறிவித்த இலவச டிவி உள்ளிட்ட இலவச அறிவிப்புகள் மக்களிடையே படு வேகமாக ரீச் ஆகி, திமுகவுக்கு ரிச்சான முடிவுகளை பெற்றுக் கொடுத்ததே.

அந்த வகையில் தற்போதைய சட்டசபைத் தேர்தலுக்கான திமுக தேர்தல் அறிக்கையும் பெரும் எதிர்பார்ப்பை ஏற்படுத்தியுள்ளது. இது இருக்கலாம், அது இருக்கலாம் என்ற யூகங்கள் வெளியாகத் தொடங்கியுள்ளன.

வழக்கம் போல திமுகவின் 'ஞானிகளில்' ஒருவரான பேராசிரியர் மு.நாதன் (மு.நாகநாதனை இப்படித்தான் இப்போது கூறுகிறார்கள்) தலைமையிலான குழு தேர்தல் அறிக்கையை உருவாக்கி வருகிறது. இதை மார்ச் 19ம் தேதி கருணாநிதி வெளியிடுகிறார்.

இலவச செல்போன், 10ம் வகுப்பு மாணவ-மாணவிகளுக்கு இலவச கம்ப்யூட்டர், ரேஷன் கார்டு உள்ள அனைவருக்கும் இலவச வேட்டி, சேலை, ஒரு ரூபாய் அரிசியை முழுமையாக இலவசமாக்குவது போன்ற பல்வேறு திட்டங்கள் இடம் பெறலாம் என்று தகவல்கள் வருகின்றன.

கடந்த தேர்தலில் திமுகவின் ஹீரோ இலவச டிவி என்பது போல, இந்த தேர்தல் அறிக்கையில் இடம் பெறப் போகும் சூப்பர் ஹீரோ யார் என்பதுதான் இப்போது மில்லியன் டாலர் கேள்வியாகியுள்ளது.

Malaysia Mustafa

March 19th, 2011, 04:34 PM

srinivasan1@hotmail.

March 19th, 2011, 04:38 PM

As reported by Savukku(Dinamani Journalist)and quoted in this forum by AIDMK supporters,thel list of 160 candidates was released by Jayalalithaa's household(Sasikala's relatives) without the knowledge of Jayalalithaa.If the party affairs are conducted in this manner,what would happen if the state is in their control.
While Jayalalithaa is relaxing in the lake in Kodanadu,boat riding and reading romantic novels,Sasikala's cohorts will be running amok in Chennai.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

Malaysia Mustafa

March 19th, 2011, 04:40 PM

Duplicate

Arul Murugan

March 19th, 2011, 05:02 PM

திமுக தேர்தல் அறிக்கையினை வெளியிட்டார் திமுக தலைவர் கருணாநிதி...
தொடரும் இலவசங்கள்: திமுக தேர்தல் அறிக்கையில் பல அறிவிப்புகள்
* பரம ஏழைகளுக்கு மாதந்தோறும் 35 கிலோ அரிசி இலவசம்
* 1 ரூபாய் மானிய விலை அரிசி தொடரும்
* இலவச டிவியைப் போல் பெண்களுக்காக இலவச கிரைண்டர்
* வீடுகளில் ஏற்கெனவே கிரைண்டர் இருந்தால் மிக்ஸி வழங்கப்படும்
* 60 வயதுக்கு மேற்பட்டோர் அரசு பஸ்களில் இலவச பயணம்
* கைத்தறி நெசவாளர்களுக்கு 200 யூனிட் வரை இலவச மின்சாரம்
* தென்னக நதிகளை இணைக்க நடவடிக்கை
* திருமண உதவித் தொகை; கர்ப்பிணிப் பெண்களுக்கான உதவித்தொகைகள் அதிகரிப்பு
* உழவர் சந்தைபோல் நகர்ப்புறங்களில் நுகர்வோர் சந்தைகள்

1. Parama yelaigal? like how they gave TV to 1.5crores households in TN? It is not mentioned as family, just poors.. so they will give 140KG per month for a family having 4 members?

2. Good! Abolish and kill the rice bowl by making into plots and not concetrate on green revolution as well as irrigation. With TN people tax money rice can be begged from AP or GJ or UP at the cost of 30INR per KG and same can be given for 1rs per KG. Gvt finanace will be in good record.

3. Free grinder?! Poor which grinder company (sowbhagya???) in the first family radar to acquire. :lol:

4. Mixie? (first family should be starting a new mix company in TN... namma forum la welcome pannuvanga... wow gr8 investment only in thath rule nu...)

5. Why not free travel in their omni buses? :lol:

6. illavasa current thathutu, then 6hrs power cut. :nuts:

7. Water linking...? enna comedy congress vechi.. they are dead against linking of rivers.. :bash:

8. Good

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 05:07 PM

Free mixie, grinder and laptop ok but what about the current to run these things? Maybe people have to rotate them manually.

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 05:10 PM

thatha has overkilled. Last time it was like a shock therapy, a bolt out of blue and the confused people voted without any clarity of thought. This time this manifesto is going to backfire on DMK.

Arul Murugan

March 19th, 2011, 05:21 PM

thatha has overkilled. Last time it was like a shock therapy, a bolt out of blue and the confused people voted without any clarity of thought. This time this manifesto is going to backfire on DMK.

This time freebies

1. Grinder
2. Mixie
3. Laptop
4. Mobile phone
5. 200unit power free
6. free bus travel above age 60...

Good... bright chances for DMK to come back to power.

kongutamizhan

March 19th, 2011, 05:39 PM

^^ Also add free health check up to seniors in the list.

This time if he comes to power, like Arul said a top grinder / mixie company (Elgi??) will be part of thatha's family. ETA-Star group will make profit out of health check up thru Kalaigner insurance scheme. People in TN might have to time-travel a century back with 12 hour power-cut during evening / night...

kongutamizhan

March 19th, 2011, 05:44 PM

If the party affairs are conducted in this manner,what would happen if the state is in their control.
While Jayalalithaa is relaxing in the lake in Kodanadu,boat riding and reading romantic novels,Sasikala's cohorts will be running amok in Chennai.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

Seringna, unga vadha padiyae varenngna...

Did Raja do the scam with Kaligner's knowledge or not?
Did Kani and Rajathi Ammal do their scams with Kaligner's knowledge or not?
Were Dinakaran employees killed with kalaigner's knowledge or not?

If you as DMK member confirm that everything that happened above are with Mu.Ka knowledge then we agree that he has total control over party compared to Jaya :lol: If he doesn't have any knowledge about it then would you agree that he is a dummy piece too?

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 05:46 PM

^^ Aiyooo Aaandavaaaa....... Ennala mudiyalada saaami...
Thiruttu Kudumbam, thirunthave thirunthathaaa....

kongutamizhan

March 19th, 2011, 05:57 PM

Manjal Kadha nayagi (Yellowish heroine)

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2011/03/19-3-2011.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k-T99UIvHDg/TYS0l91717I/AAAAAAAACPo/WlqPqLXwybg/s1600/l_4329.jpg

kongutamizhan

March 19th, 2011, 06:10 PM

Election commission orders transfer (http://savukku.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=571:2011-03-19-14-31-45&catid=8:news) of Lathika Charan

srinivasan1@hotmail.

March 19th, 2011, 06:33 PM

Kongutaizhan! Please pose those questions to Savukku.He is the person who said that the release of the list was without Jayalalithaa's knowledge.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

kongutamizhan

March 19th, 2011, 06:34 PM

Kushboo, one of the legendary, experienced and senior most politicians of the state advices new entrant to the field -> Vijay (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/interview/2011/03/kushboo-political-advise-vijay-aid0136.html)

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 06:45 PM

Kongutaizhan! Please pose those questions to Savukku.He is the person who said that the release of the list was without Jayalalithaa's knowledge.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

But you are the one to post it here in this forum. So you have the moral duty to answer it.

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 06:49 PM

This time freebies

1. Grinder
2. Mixie
3. Laptop
4. Mobile phone
5. 200unit power free
6. free bus travel above age 60...

Good... bright chances for DMK to come back to power.

I dont think so. Time will tell.

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 08:15 PM

Readers comments on DMK's election manifest in Dinamalar

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=208674#comment

Arul Murugan

March 19th, 2011, 08:18 PM

^^

Surely it will attract rural voters much. Also we can surely see freebies in ADMK manifesto too.

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Few commedies in manifesto.

1. கோவை, மதுரையில் மெட்ரோ ரயில் திட்டம் செயல்படுத்த நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும். சென்னையிலிருந்து அதிவேக ரயில் திட்டம் செயல்படுத்த நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும்.

appo ippo odura duranto ellam athivega rail illaiya?:lol:

2. அரசு அலுவலகங்கள், உள்ளாட்சி அமைப்புகளில் லஞ்சம் வாங்குவதை தடுக்க, புகார்கள் விரைவாக விசாரித்து தண்டனை கிடைக்க நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும்.

new acc. no. will be given, so money can be transferred to that acc. through net banking instead of paying by cash

3. சென்னைக்கு அருகே புதிய துணை நகரம் உருவாக்குவோம்

neenga ellam urvaka thevai illai, siruseri, kelambakkam, sholinganallur, m.city nu thanavey thunai, thunaivi, manaivi nagaram ellam chennai ku vanthachu. Just we need sakadai, proper indian std roads, security, water in these areas. In another 5yrs the growth will reach thailapuram i.e thindivanam...:lol:

4. 60 வயதுக்கு மேற்பட்ட மூத்த குடி மக்களுக்கு அரசு பேருந்தில் இலவச பாஸ் வழங்கப்படும் திட்டம் செயல்படுத்தப்படும்.

why can't it be just concession instead of free? :nuts:

5. அனைத்து பல்கலைகழகங்களில் ஆராய்ச்சி படிப்புகளுக்கு இடஒதுக்கீடு முறை பின்பற்ற நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும்.

ada kadavulae... thank god they left the reservation in private or MNC companies caste wise.

welcomable ones but it will never ever happen when congress rules

6. தி.மு.க., தனது தேர்தல் அறிக்கையி்ல், கல்வியை மாநில பட்டிய*லில் கொண்டு வர மத்திய அரசை வலியுறுத்தும். தமிழகத்தில் மேல் முறையீட்டு மையம் அமைக்க மத்திய அரசை வலியுறுத்துவோம், நுழைவு தேர்வு கூடாது என்பதை தி.மு.க., வலியுறுத்தும், நதிகளை தேசியமயமாக்கவும், 12வது ஐந்தாண்டு திட்டத்தில் தென்னக நதிகளை இணைக்க மத்திய அரசை வலியுறுத்துவோம். சென்னை ஐகோர்ட்டில் தமிழை ஆட்சி மொழியாக்க வேண்டும். மத்திய அரசு பணிகளுக்கான தேர்வுகள் தமிழில் எழுத அனுமதிக்க மத்திய அரசை வலியுறுத்துவோம். திருக்குறளை தேசிய நூலாக அறிவிக்க மத்திய அரசை வலியுறத்துவோம்.சிறப்பாக இயங்கும் தமிழகத்துக்கு சிறப்பு நிதி ஒதுக்க மத்திய அரசை வலியுறுத்துவோம் ஈழத்தமிழர் அமைதியாக வாழ நடவடிக்கை எடுக்க மத்திய அரசை வலியுறுத்துவோம். மாவட்டந்தோறும் மருத்துவ கல்லூரிகள் அமைக்க நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும், தனியார் மருத்துவமனைகளில் கட்டணங்களை ஒழுங்குபடுத்த அரசின் சார்பில் மருத்துவ கட்டண ஒழுங்கு *முறை ஆணையம் அமைக்கப்படும்

srinivasan1@hotmail.

March 19th, 2011, 08:34 PM

Konguthamizhan!I do not have to answer any questions about the 2G scam,because it is still under investigation.Every thing said about scam is either an allegation or a rumour
srinivasan1@hotmail.

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 08:37 PM

Readers comments on DMK's election manifest in Dinamalar

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=208674#comment
I can see the smoke coming out of everyone's ears who wrote comments there. Its no secret that they are anti-DMK.

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 08:41 PM

Konguthamizhan!I do not have to answer any questions about the 2G scam,because it is still under investigation.Every thing said about scam is either an allegation or a rumour
srinivasan1@hotmail.
I completely agree with your view. And also know that the north indian and local media (we know which group of people control these media houses) here in chennai wants us to believe that this scam has allegedly benefited only the DMK. Do you think in a congress led government the alliance partner can swindle all the money?

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 08:53 PM

TN govt has enough money to GIVE as it has a bigger revenue comparing most other states. For developmental needs go for getting HUGE loans from the world bank, INDIAN government has to underwrite these loans and will underwrite. The economic engine of India (4 Southern states+Mumbai+GJ) should be well oiled (HUGE LOANs) and the economic engine well driven (by ABLE PEOPLE). People need food,entertainment,health etc let govt give them free or concession. This should go on for decades...till we get to a state where there is no taker for freebies.

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 08:54 PM

I can see the smoke coming out of everyone's ears who wrote comments there. Its no secret that they are anti-DMK.

Sir - it is not anti-dmk. It is anti-freebies.

Going by your response above, it appears that you are some one who always gets carried away with free items, and want things come to you without any hard-work! Keep that up, Sir.

CBE_Poonakutty

March 19th, 2011, 08:54 PM

I completely agree with your view. And also know that the north indian and local media (we know which group of people control these media houses) here in chennai wants us to believe that this scam has allegedly benefited only the DMK. Do you think in a congress led government the alliance partner can swindle all the money?

I completely agree with your view. The corrupt congress should be voted out too. They should not win any seats this time.

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 09:01 PM

Sir - it is not anti-dmk. It is anti-freebies.

Going by your response above, it appears that you are some one who always gets carried away with free items, and want things come to you without any hard-work! Keep that up, Sir.
There are many ways to address people needs giving free is difinitely one way. The DMK (used to oppose these during MGR days) is going ahead with this successful path (remember last election). As long as there are enough people there to expect free stuff these will continue. YOU and ME dont count. We are just expected to pay out taxes.

CBE_Poonakutty

March 19th, 2011, 09:29 PM

Readers comments on DMK's election manifest in Dinamalar

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=208674#comment

Love the comments - more entertaining than the manifesto. Havent gone through fully but just a sample:

கருணாநிதி இலவசமா பொண்ணு தாங்க. இப்படிக்கு பொண்ணு கிடைகாமல் கஷ்டபடுவோர்...

தாலி இல்லாதவர்களுக்கு தாலி இலவசம். கணவன் இல்லாதவர்களுக்கு கணவன் இலவசம். குழந்தை இல்லாதவர்களுக்கு குழந்தைப்பேறு இலவசம். திருவோடு இலவசம். கடவுள் வாரம் ஒருமுறை உங்கள் வீட்டிற்கு வந்து இலவச காட்சி கொடுப்பார்.பிச்சை வாங்கி ஓட்டுபோடும் தமிசனைப் பார்த்து உலகமே காரித்துப்புது ! பிச்சைபோட்ட கையோடு கோமணத்தை உருவும் இந்த அரசியல் வியாதிகள் ஒழிவது எப்போது !!!

அய்யா மகாராசா, உங்கட்ட நாங்க கேக்குறது - இலவச ரோடு, இலவச குடிநீர், "இலவச தடையில்லாத" மின்சாரம் இலவச மின்சாரம் அல்ல, தப்பா நினைச்சிராதீங்க. சீரான பொருளாதாரம் என்று சொலி சொல்லி புளிச்சி போச்சு. அதனால இதையாவது குடுங்க. மனசெல்லாம் எரியுது, எவன் வீடு காசை இப்படி சீரழிக்கிறீங்க.

தலைவரே ... ஒரு தாழ்மையான வேண்டுகோள் ..... திருவாருள்ள elction முடிச்சிட்டு வரப்போ .. Train டிக்கெட் எடுத்திட்டு வாங்க ... பழைய நியாபகத்தில வந்திட போறீங்க ... இப்போ நீங்க, ஆசியா வில மிக பெரிய கோடிஸ்வரர் .. :lol::lol::lol:

ஆடராமா, ஆடராமா, பெட்டைக்குரங்கு உனக்கு பச்சைப்பழம் தாரேன். ஆண்குரங்கு உனக்கு மலைவாழைப்பழம் தாரேன். அதுவும் பிடிக்கவில்லையென்றால்; ப்லாபழம் பெருசா தாரேன்; அறுபது வயதானால் அல்வாவும் கின்டித்தாரேன். இதுவெல்லாம் போதாதென்றால் குட்டிக்குரங்கே உனக்கு கொயாப்பழம் பறிச்சு தாரேன். ஆடராமா ஆடராமா. உன்னாட்டம் முடிந்தபின் நீ ஆடிய இடமும் கூட எனக்கும் என் குடும்பத்திர்க்கும்தான்......

டோய்.... தாத்தா , பேர புள்ளைங்க கிரைண்டர் கம்பெனி ஆரம்பிச்சிட்டாங்க டா டோய் ......... எத்தன கம்பெனி தாலி காலின்னு தெரியல டா டோய்...........

தலைவா....!!! மிச்சி, கிண்டர் குடுக்குற, ஆனா கரண்ட் குடுப்பியா??? மக்களுக்கு ப்ரீயா குடுக்குற ஆனா வேலை குடுப்பாயா??????

யோவ் இது என்ன உன்னோட அப்பன் வீடு பணமா?? இலவசம் ஆக குடுக்கறே எங்களை பிச்சை எடுக்கறவன் என்று நினைத்தாயா???

நாடும் நாட்டு மக்களும் இலவசங்கள் பெற்று மு க குடும்பத்தினர் கோடி கொடியாய் ஊழல் செய்ய மறவாமல் உதய சூரியன் சின்னத்திற்கு வாக்களிக்க வேண்டும்.....

தி மு க தேர்தல் அறிக்கையை பார்க்கும்பொழுது மிகவும் மகிழ்ச்சியாக இருக்கிறது. இதன் மூலம் தமிழக மக்களுக்கு மாண்புமிகு மஞ்சள் துண்டுக்காரர் சொல்வது தமிழக மக்கள் அனைவரும் பிச்சை எடுங்கள், நானும் என் குடும்பத்தாரும் சேர்ந்து பிச்சை அளிக்கின்றோம். வாருங்கள் வாருங்கள் தமிழக மக்களே பிச்சை அளிக்கின்றோம் . இவண் தமிழன் .

And much more :lol::lol::lol:

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 09:34 PM

டோய்.... தாத்தா , பேர புள்ளைங்க கிரைண்டர் கம்பெனி ஆரம்பிச்சிட்டாங்க டா டோய் ......... எத்தன கம்பெனி தாலி காலின்னு தெரியல டா டோய்...........

Preethi mixie (owned by TTK group) was sold to Philips just 2 months back. TTK escape.. Philips கம்பெனி தாலி காலி :lol::lol:. They wont get any business from TN. Comments are awesome. The humor seen in common man is too good.

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 09:42 PM

Preethi mixie (owned by TTK group) was sold to Philips just 2 months back. TTK escape.. Philips கம்பெனி தாலி காலி :lol::lol:. They wont get any business from TN. Comments are awesome. The humor seen in common man is too good.
Is TTK taking all the money and leaving TN to settle in US/UK? What are they doing with that much money?

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 09:50 PM

Mr.Nellai

March 19th, 2011, 09:56 PM

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 09:58 PM

There are many ways to address people needs giving free is difinitely one way. The DMK (used to oppose these during MGR days) is going ahead with this successful path (remember last election). As long as there are enough people there to expect free stuff these will continue. YOU and ME dont count. We are just expected to pay out taxes.

Do you really think that this the correct solution with a long term vision for a better tomorrow for Tamil Nadu?

This is shame on our state.

Highlights of an election manifesto should be the volume of plans for better infrastructure, plans to increase employment, plans to improve hospitality and hygiene, and any other constructive plans.

But here, the highlights of the manifesto is full of freebies, which is just pathetic.

bonoslack7

March 19th, 2011, 10:28 PM

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 10:34 PM

mentor008

March 19th, 2011, 10:43 PM

How would I know?? I am not the spokesperson for TTK. I dont know why they require so much money either. Btw do you have any idea why do Marans need 50000 crores (combined networth of Sun TV and Spice Jet alone)?
Yes. I do know. They think that if you are having enough money then you can get the chance to get political power in future.

bonoslack7

March 19th, 2011, 10:57 PM

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/dmk-promises-bullet-trains-kovai-madurai-346

The DMK manifesto promises to expand the metro rail project to important Tier-II cities too so as to ease traffic congestion.

The government also promises to take efforts to introduce Bullet trains in developing cities like Coimbatore and Madurai.

The party says it will urge the Centre to do away with the common entrance examinations in order to benefit poor students. The manifesto also promises to insist on the central government making Tamil the court language and also allow candidates to write all UPSC exams in Tamil.

The manifesto further guarantees the grant of a subsidy of `10,000 besides loans for small or medium farmers to adopt modern technology in farming through agricultural SHGs. Also listed is a promise to introduce outlets similar to ‘Uzhavar Sandhai’ in cities for sale of agricultural products.

In an attempt to woo fisherfolk, the party has promised to promote sea farming and also to implement an insurance scheme if their livelihood were to be affected due to natural calamities.

An increase of subsidized diesel and kerosene per month for mechanized and non-mechanized trawlers to 2000 litres and 500 litres is being promised.

The manifesto also lays down the taking of efforts to retrieve Katchatheevu from Sri Lanka.

The implementation of free dialysis for poor people across the state is another promise. Other measures enlisted are the opening of institutes of mental health akin to the Kilpauk institute in Madurai and Trichy along with a TB hospital in Madurai. Free rotavirus vaccine, meningococcal vaccine and hepatitis vaccine would be given to children. Universities and medical colleges would be opened in all districts, the manifesto said.

The party promised to take steps to complete the Sethusamudram scheme, which is pending due to Supreme Court’s intervention.

“The party would strive to find a political solution for the Eezham Tamils issue and also insist that the central government take necessary steps and request the Sri Lankan government to improve the living conditions of Eezham Tamils,” the manifesto said.

Salient features

l Free grinders or mixies to women.

l Free laptops to SC/ST/MBC/BC students of government and government-aided colleges.

l Loan for women SHGs hiked from Rs 2.5 lakhs to Rs 4 lakhs with a `2 lakhs as subsidy.

l 35 kg of free rice per month to BPL families.

l Free bus travel for senior citizens in local buses.

l Assistance for pregnant women to be hiked from Rs 6000 to Rs 10,000.

l Government doctors to conduct medical check for bed-ridden senior citizens at their house once a month.

kongutamizhan

March 19th, 2011, 11:00 PM

Is TTK taking all the money and leaving TN to settle in US/UK? What are they doing with that much money?

padhavila illadha TTK, avaru uzhaichi sambadicha kasa vechi UK pona enna US pona enna?

Adha kelvi kekkura neenga padhavila irukaravanga suruturatha defend seyuratha ninaicha sirippa than varudhu :)

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 11:04 PM

Yes. I do know. They think that if you are having enough money then you can get the chance to get political power in future.

Haan. Maybe TTK needs the money for buying a ferrari. Your point being?

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 11:20 PM

Well, there are very well laid out plans for Infra, Education etc the media and we chose to pick up only the freebies.

Coming to solution, There is no correct or incorrect solution. I know, This is not sustainable for the long term..

The DMK thinks, This is an effort to retain power to do good things. In the last five years there has been consistent development all around there is no denying. You can read various economic reports that we are at the top.
So, what does that mean? May be the freebie and developmental politics works, I guess.

Free things benefit the poor, poorer and poores people, for these people 1 kg is rice more important than the shame on our state. But for you, the status for state is more important.

YOU and ME dont count in TN politics.

Well, the TV that was given by the Government is not worth even 1500 rupees and it comes from the Government Ghajana.

They used this as a weapon to gain the power, and looted lakhs of crores into their pocket.

The freebies here are not given to people for a good cause as you have described. They are used as weapons to gain power to loot more. This is the fact.

People have to think that, we are losing out on many things and these morons trying to shadow their wrong-doings by announcing these free-bies.

And Hon'ble CM in one of his statements has mentioned, 'Yezhaigal cell phone use seiya vaitha Raasa vukku, ippadi oru thandayana' nu. What a load of BS this is!!!!!

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 11:30 PM

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 11:34 PM

^^ I am not trying to say that this is the ONLY government that is corrupt, but these problems have magnified a lot in the last 5 years which is very evident.

Seyoan

March 19th, 2011, 11:40 PM

Seyoan

March 19th, 2011, 11:43 PM

^^ I am not trying to say that this is the ONLY government that is corrupt, but these problems have magnified a lot in the last 5 years which is very evident.

That is apparently just inflation:nuts:

TShyam

March 19th, 2011, 11:43 PM

You escaped from economics thread and started here huh? Good for you.

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 11:46 PM

Seyoan

March 19th, 2011, 11:50 PM

gvijayan

March 19th, 2011, 11:51 PM

That is apparently just inflation:nuts:

True.. and this makes the governmental authorities and officers to expect more bribe than before to give the same kind of support to their families, which hits the common man badly.

bonoslack7

March 20th, 2011, 12:03 AM

How could Jayalolita be as dumb enough to propose a monorail instead of a metro? We could be riding in metros now if she accepted the metro proposal.

Malaysia Mustafa

March 20th, 2011, 12:05 AM

^^ I agree with your points. And there ought to be a change this time around, and JJ cannot loot more money when she regains power this time around.

A change in the rule this time will mean that the people started watching things more closely than before, and JJ cannot escape by doing any corruption this time. So, we can expect something better than what we saw in the last 5 years.

:lol::lol::lol: ஒன்னும் காமெடி கீமேடி பண்ணலையே.......

தமிழர்களின் நம்பிக்கையே நம்பிக்கை. இப்படி இருக்கற வரைக்கும் எத்தனை மு.க மற்றும் ஜெ.ஜெ வேண்டுமானாலும் தமிழ்நாட்டை சுருட்டலாம்.

A change in the rule this time will mean that the people started watching things more closely than before

1984 அதிமுக
1989 திமுக
1991 அதிமுக
1996 திமுக
2001 அதிமுக
2006 திமுக

யம்மாடி....26 வருசமா "WATCH" பண்ணிக்கிட்டே இருக்கீங்க.:nuts::nuts::nuts:.

2011 அதிமுக
2016 திமுக
2021 அதிமுக
2026 திமுக

இன்னும் எத்தனை வருசம் "WATCH" பண்ணலாம்னு இருக்கீங்க ??? :lol::lol:

gvijayan

March 20th, 2011, 12:07 AM

I have seen the same hope in 2001 also; I sincerely fail to understand why many people always hope (expect/confident/etc) that JJ would change, when there has been no leading indicators for the same. What behavior of her in the last few years gives you that hope?

I have not mentioned that I am 'hopeful'. But this time, if there is a change in the rule, that will definitely mean that the level of awareness among the voting public has increased. JJ can not continue to be as how she was in her previous times.

Seyoan

March 20th, 2011, 12:09 AM

True.. and this makes the governmental authorities and officers to expect more bribe than before to give the same kind of support to their families, which hits the common man badly.

I was just kidding, corruption at the grass root level cannot be corrected by Thatha or Amma or any other politician. It can be fixed only by me and you. This needs a bottom up approach starting with us.

In your Electrical connection example, why can’t all the people in the street spend a few hours and protest that they cannot pay the bribe. Can’t they make peaceful procession to the municipal/corporation office? Would that not hit the press and create some kind of fear in the officials?

We won’t do it because it is not us that pay this time but our neighbor, we would continue to wait for a hero (Rajini Ishtyle) to come and cleanse the system until then we have Amma/Thatha to blame for it

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 12:11 AM

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 12:22 AM

What do you mean by benefitting by the free scheme?

One of my friends' family was very very happy after receiving the free TV, which is a very low end 14" device with not much of options, and the quality is nowhere near to even the lowest of quality that can be brought on an electronic store.

Still they keep praising MK for giving away this device (as if he gave it from his own pocket), which is hardly worth Rs. 1500/-

And the same family gave a bribe of Rs. 17,000/- for getting electrical connection to their new power looms.

What is Mr. MK doing to these non-senses carried out by his departments??

This is the problem here.

Poor people are not using their common sense to avoid such things.

Similarly, farmers are given free power. But they have to shed 1000's as bribe to get that connection.

If he is a real MAN, he should first make the governmental agencies corruption and bribe free, which is the REAL BENEFIT to the poor.
So, you are concerned with the quality and less options of the TV not the freebie per se...!

bonoslack7

March 20th, 2011, 12:23 AM

Do you really think that this the correct solution with a long term vision for a better tomorrow for Tamil Nadu?

This is shame on our state.

Highlights of an election manifesto should be the volume of plans for better infrastructure, plans to increase employment, plans to improve hospitality and hygiene, and any other constructive plans.

But here, the highlights of the manifesto is full of freebies, which is just pathetic.

After TVs, DMK promises free grinders

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/After-TVs-DMK-promises-free-grindersK/articleshow/7745661.cms

The ruling DMK on Saturday released a rural-oriented manifesto for the forthcoming state assembly elections, promising a slew of freebies like its 2006 manifesto.

Except for a few promises like a satellite city near Chennai (it was promised in the 2006 manifesto also), four-laning of the East Coast Road and Metro rail network for Coimbatore and Madurai, the manifesto had little for cities. The shifting of focus from urban centres to rural areas is quite evident after the 2G spectrum expose.

The poll promises include 35kg rice for below the poverty line people, free wet grinders or mixies for poor ration card holders, laptops for first year college going SC/ST, MBC and BC students and bus passes for senior citizens in local town buses.

The 64-page manifesto released at the state party headquarters by chief minister M Karunanidhi also promises to increase the grant under the Kalaignar housing scheme to Rs 1 lakh from the present Rs 75,000 per house and increase assistance for pregnant women from Rs 6,000 to Rs 10,000.

The manifesto attempts to woo senior citizens by assuring a free monthly check-up for them at their houses by government doctors.

The party promised to increase credit limit for women self-help groups from Rs 2 lakh to Rs 4 lakh.

Institutes of mental health have been promised for Madurai and Tiruchi.

DMK manifesto also gives assurances on making Tamil an official court language, starting consumer markets in urban areas like Uzhavar Santhai and mobile vegetable markets in cities. The DMK has pledged to take measures for protecting the lives of fishermen and retrieving Katchathivu island from Sri Lanka to safeguard the livelihood of fishermen.

It promises that kidney failure patients would get free dialysis in district government hospitals.

With a view to monitoring and regulating private hospitals, the party has promised a medical fees regulatory commission. This will help patients get treatment at reasonable cost. The manifesto assures free Rota virus vaccine, meningococcal vaccine and hepatitis vaccine for poor children.

If the party retains power, the state government would introduce free foreign languages classes in English, French, German, Spanish, Arabic and Mandarin in all universities.

The party has vowed to fight for securing reservation for SC/ST people in private sector also. It promises mechanised cleaning of sewerage and drains across the state. The scavenging community, who will be rendered jobless, would be provided alternative jobs.

In the 2006 assembly elections, the DMK had promised free colour TVs for poor people, two acre land for landless farmers, rice at Rs two per kg and waiver of Rs 7,000 crore cooperative bank loans to farmers.

gvijayan

March 20th, 2011, 12:33 AM

So, you are concerned with the quality and less options of the TV not the freebie per se...!

I am not concerned about the quality. I am just concerned about this freebie disease as a whole.

The family I am talking about is still happy about the given TV set. But they also happily shed 17000 bucks to get a 3-phase electricity connection for their small powerloom setup.

Again, I am not saying that they could have got the electricity connection without any bribe at all, had JJ been on powers.

My whole point is that, the worth of freebies given, is just a negligible fraction of what we have lost and what we will be losing when this same gang comes back to power.

Vicvin86

March 20th, 2011, 12:37 AM

The family I am talking about is still happy about the given TV set. But they also happily shed 17000 bucks to get a 3-phase electricity connection for their small powerloom setup.

Is it only for the connection or also to tamper the meter?

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 12:37 AM

padhavila illadha TTK, avaru uzhaichi sambadicha kasa vechi UK pona enna US pona enna?

Adha kelvi kekkura neenga padhavila irukaravanga suruturatha defend seyuratha ninaicha sirippa than varudhu :)
TT Krishnamachari (TTK & Co) is the first central minister forced to resign from the cabinet in the independent India for a financial scam.

Kelvi kekkalaam dhana :)

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 12:50 AM

I am not concerned about the quality. I am just concerned about this freebie disease as a whole.

The family I am talking about is still happy about the given TV set. But they also happily shed 17000 bucks to get a 3-phase electricity connection for their small powerloom setup.

Again, I am not saying that they could have got the electricity connection without any bribe at all, had JJ been on powers.

My whole point is that, the worth of freebies given, is just a negligible fraction of what we have lost and what we will be losing when this same gang comes back to power.
Ok, Freebie is not a disease (you may believe so) its a way of addressing peoples needs (and also way of retaining power). The CM having a mandate from the people for his manifesto of 2006 is implementing it and as you said the people are happy.

You are not happy because you want to implements things in a different way or you got completed carried away by the media probaganda against KK.

I say you got carried away because you took the example free TV thats what media also talks about all the time.

What about these

1 rupee / kg rice
Marriage assistance of Rs 15,000 (or Rs 25,000) if the girl completed schooling up to 8th.
Bicycle to all the girl students from 11th std (JJ started it for SC/ST girls, KK enhanced it for all)
6 months (Rs 1000/pm) assistance to pregnant woman
FD (Rs 20,000 on each kid) for the girl child if the parents decide to stop with just two girl children
3times eggs/fruits in mid day meals ( he just enhanced it, I know the scheme was started by MGR, which KK opposed that time)
Abolished entrance exams
Brought all the schools with same syllabus
Check the power projects in these 5 years

My whole point is that, the worth of freebies given, is just a negligible fraction of what we have lost and what we will be losing when this same gang comes back to power.

Do you still feel that these freebies are worthless...???

gvijayan

March 20th, 2011, 12:51 AM

Is it only for the connection or also to tamper the meter?

Just for the connection.

Vicvin86

March 20th, 2011, 12:52 AM

Just for the connection.

Well in that case they might have got it as a household connection rather than a commercial one.

gvijayan

March 20th, 2011, 01:39 AM

Another very sensible comment:

Periasamy VS - Karur,இந்தியா 2011-03-20 02:18:34 IST Report Abuse
இந்த தேர்தல் அறிக்கையை படித்த, சுமாராக ஐந்து சதவித தமிழனுக்கு ஒரு கணம் மன அழுத்தம், இருதய படபடப்பு, நரம்பு சீண்டல், கிரு கிருப்பு போன்ற கோபத்தால் வந்த வெளிபாடு நடந்து இறுக்க கூடும் என நினைக்கிறன். இது சாதாரண வெளிப்பாடாக நினைக்க வேண்டாம் என் அருமை முதல் அமைச்சரே!!!! ஏழையின் சிரிப்பில் இறைவனை காண்!!!. இதுவா?.... எங்கே முறுக்கேறிய சதை கொண்ட - உழைக்க கூடிய தமிழினம் எங்கே?. உங்களுடைய அழுக்கு படிந்த, புரை ஓடிய பிச்சை பாத்திரத்தை கொண்டு சாகடித்து விட்டாயே!!!!!!!!! வைராக்கியத்துடன் வாழும் தமிழனின் ஆழ்மனது எங்கே இருக்கிறது தெரியுமா.. எம் அருமை முதலமைசேரே?. இலவசத்தை நோக்கி பயணம் செய்து கொண்டிருக்கிறது!!!! காரணம் மூளையின் நரம்பு செல்கள் நீங்கள் செய்யும் மறைமுக கோமாளி தனத்திற்கு மகுடி பாம்பு போல தோய்ந்து கிடக்கிறது. இந்த மோசமான கலாச்சாரத்தை மாற்றவேண்டுமானால் இன்னும் குறைந்த பட்சம் பத்து வருடங்கள் ஆகும். இப்படிக்கு மன வேதனை உடன் ஐந்து சதவிகித உழைக்கும் மக்கள்!!!

Unarvil Tamilan - chennai,இந்தியா 2011-03-20 02:52:03 IST Report Abuse
சரியாக சொன்னீர்கள் பெரியசாமி ! ஒரு பாரபட்சமே இல்லாமல் தமிழ்நாட்டின் ஒட்டு மொத்த மக்களையும் சோம்பேறியாக்கி பிசைகாரர்களாக ஆக்குவதே இந்த திருடர்கள் முன்னேற்ற கழகத்தின் சாதனையாகும் ! இவர்கள் இந்த அஞ்சு 10 இலவசத்தை கொடுத்து விட்டு அடுத்த அஞ்சு வருசத்துக்கு பல லட்சம் கோடி ஊழல் பணத்தை பங்கிட்டு கொள்ளுவார்கள் நாமும் முட்டாள்கள் போல வேடிக்கை பார்த்துவிட்டு போக வேண்டும் ! இனி கூட நம் தமிழ்நாட்டு மக்கள் திருந்தவில்லை என்றால்,இந்த திருடர்கள் முன்னேற்ற கழகம் நம் மாநிலத்தை விற்கும் அபாயம் நடந்தேறும்! தமிழா விழித்து எழு ! சிந்தித்து ஒட்டு போடு ! எல்லாம் இலவசமே.................ஆனால் உன்னுடைய ஒட்டு மட்டும் இலவசத்துக்கு அல்ல ! அல்ல ! அல்ல !...

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=208784#comment

Marathaman

March 20th, 2011, 03:22 AM

Good, sane opinion on Japan disaster and nuclear power:

SFs_-8DtZvo

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 03:23 AM

TT Krishnamachari (TTK & Co) is the first central minister forced to resign from the cabinet in the independent India for a financial scam.

Kelvi kekkalaam dhana :)

Know the facts on TTK (http://gnani.net.in/%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81-%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B7%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D/) issue

டி.டி.கே விவகாரம் என்ன ? ராசா விவகாரம் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். 1957ல் முந்த்ரா என்ற தொழிலதிபரின் பங்குகளை அரசுக்குச் சொந்தமான எல்.ஐ.சி நிறுவனம் வாங்கி நஷ்டமடைந்தது என்பதுதான் புகார். பங்குகளை வாங்க உத்தரவிட்டவர் நிதித்துறை செயலாளர் எச்.எம் பட்டேல். நிதி அமைச்சராக டி.டி.கே.இருந்தார். எல்.ஐ.சி இழந்தது ஒன்றரை கோடி ரூபாய். பதிலுக்கு காங்கிரஸ் தேர்தல் நிதிக்கு முந்த்ரா இரண்டரை லட்சம் ரூபாய் கொடுத்ததாகச் சொல்லப்பட்டது.கான்பூரில் முந்த்ராவின் மில்லை மூடினால் ஆயிரக்கணக்கான தொழிலாளர்கள் வேலை இழப்பார்கள். அதை மூடக் கூடாது என்று நிபந்தனை விதித்ததை முந்த்ரா ஏற்றுக் கொண்டார்.

முதலீட்டுக்குழு ஒப்புதல் இல்லாமல் முந்த்ராவின் பங்குகளை எல்.ஐ.சி வாங்கிய முறைகேட்டை அம்பலப்படுத்தியது எதிர்க்கட்சிகள் அல்ல. பிரதமராக இருந்த நேருவின் மருமகனும் இந்திராவின் கணவரும் ஆளுங்கட்சி எம்.பியுமான பெரோஸ் காந்திதான். எதிர்க்கட்சிகள் அவரோடு சேர்ந்துகொண்டன.

நேரு உடனடியாக மும்பை உயர்நீதிமன்ற முன்னாள் தலைமை நீதிபதி எம்.சி.சாக்ளாவை விசாரணை கமிஷனாக நியமித்தார். பங்குகளை வாங்க உத்தரவிட்டது நிதிச் செயலாளர்தான் என்றும் அதற்கான தார்மிகப் பொறுப்பு நிதி அமைச்சருடையது என்றும் சாக்ளா முடிவு செய்தார். தான் ‘ லுக் இண்ட்டு திஸ் மேட்டர்’ என்று சொன்னதாக டி.டி.கேவும், அதை பங்குகள் வாங்கச் சொன்னதாகப் புரிந்துகொண்டதாக பட்டேலும் சாட்சியத்தில் சொல்லியிருந்தார்கள். டி.டி.கே ராஜினாமா செய்தபோது நேரு உங்களுக்கு இதில் தொடர்பில்லை என்றாலும் நீங்கள் தார்மிக அடிப்படையில் விலகுகிறீர்கள் என்பதைப் புரிந்துகொள்கிறேன் என்று சொன்னார்.

டிசம்பர் 16, 1957ல் பெரோஸ் காந்தி புகார் எழுப்பினார். ஜனவரி முதல் வாரத்தில் சாக்ளா கமிஷன் பகிரங்க விசாரணையைத் தொடங்கியது. நூற்றுக்கணக்கான பொதுமக்கள் முன்னிலையில் 11 நாட்கள் விசாரித்த உடனே சாக்ளா அறிக்கை கொடுத்தார். அமைச்சர் ராஜினாமா செய்தார். எல்லாமே ஒரு மாதத்துக்குள் முடிந்துவிட்டது.முந்த்ரா போலிப்பங்குகளை விற்றதற்காக சிறையில் அடைக்கப்பட்டார்.

கருணாநிதி அவர்களே, அப்புறம் எதற்காகத் தொடர்ந்து அவையில் யாரும் கூச்சல் எழுப்ப வேண்டும் ?

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 04:38 AM

^^'better tomorrow for Tamil Nadu' is decided by the people of Tamil Nadu and NOT the politicians. Thats the whole point of democracy.

If I am poor and I get a grinder, mobile phone, tv etcetra, will I be happy or not? That the rich also avail these freebies is another issue. Better road infrastructure etcetc don't matter to poor people.

When people are ok with it, whats wrong? I guess nobody in this forum has benefitted from freebies and thats why most of them are against it. If the central gov. gave a mercedes benz to each and everyone, whole of India would be after it.

1. When here pro-freebies make point that poors/beggers don't know what is GDP, what is state shame, what is world bank loan, how these beggers who get freebies know to decide "better tomorrow for tamilnadu?"

2. Let us abolish the education and give jobs directly, don't you think students will be the happiest person on earth? Should we try that it? It is the same logic what the pro-freebies forumers applies here.

3. You are verymuch wrong! I am sure except NRI Tamils here, tamils in TN 90% might have got Kalaignar TV in home! To get votes that was the cheap tactics followed by thatha! so same policy will be applied for 95% of population and can be termed as beggers: The TV distribution to middle and upper middle class families were not made through stage where thatha or his son or the kurunila mannars will distribute it... it was directly sent to house!

CG is not that big fool to distribute free MB even for an argument case! I am not objecting the following free or concession which are in real need:

To improve the education following were initiated:

1. Free schooling
2. Free school books
3. Free meals
4. Free cycles
5. Scholarship for col.

The above act as catalyst for the students for their education. But for person who has grown like erumai... following freebies will make them a donkey(opps atleast it works by carrying the cloths :lol:)

1. Free Food (JJ introduced this as Ananthanam at temple! Good that MK stopped it because of the known reasons)

2. Free TV

3. Free Mixie

4. Free Grinder

5. Free Mobile

Free food at hotels, Free TASMAC will make the life complete for an ordinary person in TN. Thatha should announce that also... Surely he will be the winner!:cheers:

Mr.Nellai

March 20th, 2011, 04:45 AM

http://epaper.dinamani.com/epaperimages/2032011/20032011-cni-mn-01/3634921.JPG

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 04:45 AM

Free TASMAC will make the life complete for an ordinary person in TN. Thatha should announce that also... Surely he will be the winner!:cheers:

Free TASMAC no way. All the other freebies are dependent on this.

But hey if he does it, along with another freebie that I don't want to mention here, I am in the game and I'll defend thatha's rights to grant freebies tooth and nail. That'll make every man's life in TN a complete one :lol:

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 04:46 AM

MDMK backs out (http://savukku.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=573:2011-03-20-01-00-16&catid=8:news) of alliance and this election

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 04:53 AM

Free TASMAC no way. All the other freebies are dependent on this.

But hey if he does it, along with another freebie that I don't want to mention here, I am in the game and I'll defend thatha's rights to grant freebies tooth and nail. That'll make every man's life in TN a complete one :lol:

Thats what decently some one has commented in Dinamalar, "free manaivi, free thunaivi"

If thatha gives that, i guess still forumers sorry DMK cadres here will tell "it is for poor people and it is their rights and need why to oppose such freebie" nu comment vera varum. :lol:

then some insane Q like, if CG gives "white velinadu pigure to every men... whole of India would be behind it" vera varum.

krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 05:10 AM

Mr.Nellai

March 20th, 2011, 05:13 AM

MDMK backs out (http://savukku.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=573:2011-03-20-01-00-16&catid=8:news) of alliance and this election

It is very hard to digest this news.:gaah:

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 05:15 AM

It is very hard to digest this news.:gaah:

I was hoping that they will go with BJP (and karthik's party) and contest. Any chance for it still???

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 05:19 AM

Know the facts on TTK (http://gnani.net.in/%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81-%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B7%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D/) issue

டி.டி.கே விவகாரம் என்ன ? ராசா விவகாரம் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். 1957ல் முந்த்ரா என்ற தொழிலதிபரின் பங்குகளை அரசுக்குச் சொந்தமான எல்.ஐ.சி நிறுவனம் வாங்கி நஷ்டமடைந்தது என்பதுதான் புகார். பங்குகளை வாங்க உத்தரவிட்டவர் நிதித்துறை செயலாளர் எச்.எம் பட்டேல். நிதி அமைச்சராக டி.டி.கே.இருந்தார். எல்.ஐ.சி இழந்தது ஒன்றரை கோடி ரூபாய். பதிலுக்கு காங்கிரஸ் தேர்தல் நிதிக்கு முந்த்ரா இரண்டரை லட்சம் ரூபாய் கொடுத்ததாகச் சொல்லப்பட்டது.கான்பூரில் முந்த்ராவின் மில்லை மூடினால் ஆயிரக்கணக்கான தொழிலாளர்கள் வேலை இழப்பார்கள். அதை மூடக் கூடாது என்று நிபந்தனை விதித்ததை முந்த்ரா ஏற்றுக் கொண்டார்.

முதலீட்டுக்குழு ஒப்புதல் இல்லாமல் முந்த்ராவின் பங்குகளை எல்.ஐ.சி வாங்கிய முறைகேட்டை அம்பலப்படுத்தியது எதிர்க்கட்சிகள் அல்ல. பிரதமராக இருந்த நேருவின் மருமகனும் இந்திராவின் கணவரும் ஆளுங்கட்சி எம்.பியுமான பெரோஸ் காந்திதான். எதிர்க்கட்சிகள் அவரோடு சேர்ந்துகொண்டன.

நேரு உடனடியாக மும்பை உயர்நீதிமன்ற முன்னாள் தலைமை நீதிபதி எம்.சி.சாக்ளாவை விசாரணை கமிஷனாக நியமித்தார். பங்குகளை வாங்க உத்தரவிட்டது நிதிச் செயலாளர்தான் என்றும் அதற்கான தார்மிகப் பொறுப்பு நிதி அமைச்சருடையது என்றும் சாக்ளா முடிவு செய்தார். தான் ‘ லுக் இண்ட்டு திஸ் மேட்டர்’ என்று சொன்னதாக டி.டி.கேவும், அதை பங்குகள் வாங்கச் சொன்னதாகப் புரிந்துகொண்டதாக பட்டேலும் சாட்சியத்தில் சொல்லியிருந்தார்கள். டி.டி.கே ராஜினாமா செய்தபோது நேரு உங்களுக்கு இதில் தொடர்பில்லை என்றாலும் நீங்கள் தார்மிக அடிப்படையில் விலகுகிறீர்கள் என்பதைப் புரிந்துகொள்கிறேன் என்று சொன்னார்.

டிசம்பர் 16, 1957ல் பெரோஸ் காந்தி புகார் எழுப்பினார். ஜனவரி முதல் வாரத்தில் சாக்ளா கமிஷன் பகிரங்க விசாரணையைத் தொடங்கியது. நூற்றுக்கணக்கான பொதுமக்கள் முன்னிலையில் 11 நாட்கள் விசாரித்த உடனே சாக்ளா அறிக்கை கொடுத்தார். அமைச்சர் ராஜினாமா செய்தார். எல்லாமே ஒரு மாதத்துக்குள் முடிந்துவிட்டது.முந்த்ரா போலிப்பங்குகளை விற்றதற்காக சிறையில் அடைக்கப்பட்டார்.

கருணாநிதி அவர்களே, அப்புறம் எதற்காகத் தொடர்ந்து அவையில் யாரும் கூச்சல் எழுப்ப வேண்டும் ?
The point here is the first central minister to resign in Independent India because of scam is T T Krishnamachari.

So, Kelvi kekkalaam dhana :)

Till the recently resigned minister we all can ask questions.

FYI...This minister had only resigned after the commission was established and his wrong doing/negligence or whatever is proved. He didn't announce the inquiry by himself, it was Nehru who announced it.

Of course he came back to Nehru's ministry again so does lot of ministers come back in various cabinets even now.

Link (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-mundhra-affair/397317/0) for source

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 05:33 AM

First of all I didn't say that you can't ask questions!! All I am saying is you are questioning TTK but defending MK which is both funny and contradictory.

Also another amen to what you said about Nehru ordering the inquiry and not TTK. Did you read the complete article in the link that I gave? I don't think we differ much on what happened in TTK issue. Where we differ is how it was handled then and how it is being handled now!! Got any answers for that?

PS. Also would like to add that TTK was not a personal beneficiary of the decision that he made..

krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 06:18 AM

It is very hard to digest this news.:gaah:
He made a good decision. let him improve his party within next 5 yrs to get some good bargains:lol:

vs007

March 20th, 2011, 07:05 AM

And the same family gave a bribe of Rs. 17,000/- for getting electrical connection to their new power looms.

What is Mr. MK doing to these non-senses carried out by his departments??

Similarly, farmers are given free power. But they have to shed 1000's as bribe to get that connection.

If he is a real MAN, he should first make the governmental agencies corruption and bribe free, which is the REAL BENEFIT to the poor.
Valid points. How about the real woman? Did she make them corruption free or make even an attempt or she also joined the system and enjoyed the fruits?

Thats what decently some one has commented in Dinamalar, "free manaivi, free thunaivi"

If thatha gives that, i guess still forumers sorry DMK cadres here will tell "it is for poor people and it is their rights and need why to oppose such freebie" nu comment vera varum. :lol:

Argument for argument sake, wouldn't you also vote for him then? :)

He made a good decision. let him improve his party within next 5 yrs to get some good bargains:lol:
5 years is a long time enough to disappear in oblivion.

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 07:19 AM

Argument for argument sake, wouldn't you also vote for him then? :)

I am not a DMK cadre to vote for such cheap(manaivi and thunaivi(for those who already married just like mixie or grinder)) freebies. :)

vs007

March 20th, 2011, 07:40 AM

I am not a DMK cadre to vote for such cheap(manaivi and thunaivi(for those who already married just like mixie or grinder)) freebies. :)

Oh! So you are AIADMK cadre voting for the rule by the family( mannargudi instead of thatha's)? :)

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 10:12 AM

Oh! So you are AIADMK cadre voting for the rule by the family( mannargudi instead of thatha's)? :)

If DMK manifesto is opposed or freebies are opposed, by default you consider one as ADMK cadre? Nice logic....

Since i called pro-freebies and few forumers who will welcome the grinder company investment by first family as great achievement and best investment in thatha period might be the reason for this... I didn't expect that will kindle your anger so fast. :lol:

If ADMK announce any freebies i am going to oppose it. Both DMK and ADMK gives family rule one base of Thirukuvalai and another one at Mannargudi. But DMK has one more weightage called "Kurunilla manargal"... poor ADMK don't have that.

Opps again back to square one. The arguments will lead us no where... Amma dumped CBE's IT growth which was expected to become like Pune... may be i need to argue that "no it 1998 CBE bombing" during DMK's rule dumped CBE's growth.. otherwise it should have over took Pune long back.:nuts:

srinivas

March 20th, 2011, 01:17 PM

Have they dropped the idea of BRTS in cbe and mdu ???
neither of the political parties have opened their mouth regarding it ...

Arasu

March 20th, 2011, 02:12 PM

There is no question about Karuna's corruption or cunning. Such folks need to be dumped or even better sent to jail for trying to convert the state into a fiefdom.

But, on the other hand, what is amma offering? I shudder to think. Only Rajnikanth's statement a decade back comes to mind.

Hope someday there will be a new dawn for the people of TN.

Seyoan

March 20th, 2011, 03:17 PM

I was hoping that they will go with BJP (and karthik's party) and contest. Any chance for it still???
That is exactly what Amma wants, MDMK to stand alone or join ethara parties and take away DMK votes.

Vaiko is probably making a last ditch blackmail to nullify that strategy, if she bends Amma benefits if not and Vaiko sticks to his boycott Thatha benefits and a 2 to 3% vote share can cause a dramatic shift either way

Seyoan

March 20th, 2011, 03:24 PM

Free Mixe/Grinder....But where is electric power?
if everything is free, then population will increase... because no need for people to work hard outside..
So they will do something useful :-) to increase the population

by giving freebies, these politicians making TN People as beggars..

Idiotic..

Scarcity in electricity is because of Amma's inaction for 5 years.

Did population freeze during Amma's rule? Were all the people working hard during Amma period? was there any job creation during Ammas rule?

Beggars with food are better than Rat eating poor that we saw during Amma period

Mr.Nellai

March 20th, 2011, 03:32 PM

I was hoping that they will go with BJP (and karthik's party) and contest. Any chance for it still???

KT, that is equivalent to a suicide. BJP has no party base in the south. Going by this political scenario, it is better to boycott rather than to aggravate the situation. Vaiko should atleast learn from ramadoss and thirumavalavan about the tactics in politics. Being decent in TN politics will not work in our favor. The only moment in his life, when he relented was, when he was arrested under POTA during AIADMK govt and then joined the same AIADMk alliance- setting aside the past issues. But that fetched him 30 seats.

MDMK is strong from its grassroot level, it has a blend of good orators like nanjil sambath and veterans like thiruppur duraisamy and perasiriyar K.N . Ramachandiran.Anyways by not contesting the elections, the votes will go in favor of DMK except in constituencies were congerss partymens are fielded.

He made a good decision. let him improve his party within next 5 yrs to get some good bargains:lol:

For me, AIADMK should win above 117,congress should lose in all 63 seats it is going to contest. Vaiko and seeman should work together for that.Anyhow captain will not be in AIADMK for so long time. Namma amma election mudinchathum right la oru kick adipanga "captain out", leftla oru kick left parties out.

Atlast "எல்லா யானையும் ஒன்னு கூடிடிச்சி ஓய்"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KtzTp3qWqxw/S3gL49_CwpI/AAAAAAAAAdo/ytxMEY4X7c0/s640/vijaykanth-family-picture.JPG

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 03:39 PM

congress should lose in all 63 seats it is going to contest.

Atlast "எல்லா யானையும் ஒன்னு கூடிடிச்சி ஓய்"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KtzTp3qWqxw/S3gL49_CwpI/AAAAAAAAAdo/ytxMEY4X7c0/s640/vijaykanth-family-picture.JPG

Yes let DMK win or ADMK win, but congress should get muttai. Thats important...

2nd one oru punch dialogue.. after election MK may use it. When JJ was defeated in Bargur, MK introduced that canditate to media as "yanai kathil poontha erumbu" :lol:

Mr.Nellai

March 20th, 2011, 03:40 PM

Scarcity in electricity is because of Amma's inaction for 5 years.

Did population freeze during Amma's rule? Were all the people working hard during Amma period? was there any job creation during Ammas rule?

Beggars with food are better than Rat eating poor that we saw during Amma period

FYKI Rat eating is a tradition among village groups, you call them "nari kuravargal". What are the power projects that is installed in the last 5 years from the state government? More than 75% of the power projects were installed and implemented in AIADMK rule.

If SUN tv projects that "MK is playing tennis against rafael nadal" There are also people in TN to believe that and clap hands saying that "Thalaivar pinnittarula"

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 03:44 PM

That is exactly what Amma wants, MDMK to stand alone or join ethara parties and take away DMK votes.

Vaiko is probably making a last ditch blackmail to nullify that strategy, if she bends Amma benefits if not and Vaiko sticks to his boycott Thatha benefits and a 2 to 3% vote share can cause a dramatic shift either way
Seyoan your assesment is correct, but I don't think this is the last ditch blackmail by Vaiko.

JJ Kilavi (she is 63, 60 ikku mela kilam dhana) thought that Vaiko would contest seperately because she wanted to take away a little vote share from DMK. If he had announced candidates for all the consituencies he would have got the votes of all the Eelam supporters and his own party votes that would have dented DMK vote base.

But Vaiko didn't fall for that trap. Now, Kilavi made a trap and she herself fell into it. Chanakiyan CHO kilam ippo enna panna poren. Its all his idea, if he goes to Kilavi house (Poes) he will get a tight slap by Kilavi.

Having ditched by this Kilavi now the Eelam supporters and MDMK (4%) vote base has only one place to go that is DMK. So, DMK winning in all its contituencies is now very very bright.

Mr.Nellai

March 20th, 2011, 03:49 PM

Yes let DMK win or ADMK win, but congress should get muttai. Thats important...

2nd one oru punch dialogue.. after election MK may use it. When JJ was defeated in Bargur, MK introduced that canditate to media as "yanai kathil poontha erumbu" :lol:

சூப்பரப்பு! +1 people should teach a lesson to these three

See the Picture at the bottom of this Source page link:http://tamilnattu.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-post_20.html

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 04:04 PM

If Vijaykanth and his advisers are bright enough and they really look for a future in TN politics this is the time to act. How?

1. Get out of ADMK alliance citing the disrespect by JJ in the past and now (Vaiko episode).
2. Form a third front along with Vaiko and attack JJ, Congress and KK relentlessly across TN.
3. You may get few seats but your vote base will grow to 15% -20%. And that is critical mass in the vote bank politics.
4. JJ will lose this elections anyway if you come out and the ADMK cadre will lose faith and all will come to you ditching JJ in the next 2 yrs.
5. In a way, as you call yourself Black MGR, this is a true scenario that you will be the leader for all the ADMK cadre in another 2 to 3 years.
6. I know its tough to convince your 41 candidates after all they have invested lot of their money since they joined your party with a hope of reaping it later. But, you can compensate by getting money from Cong and DMK distribute to ur 41 people.

Good Luck...

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 04:14 PM

CBE_Poonakutty

March 20th, 2011, 04:17 PM

:rofl:
:lol::lol::lol:

See you on may 13th. (my laugh was for the "strategy")

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 04:18 PM

Seyoan your assesment is correct, but I don't think this is the last ditch blackmail by Vaiko.

Having ditched by this Kilavi now the Eelam supporters and MDMK (4%) vote base has only one place to go that is DMK. So, DMK winning in all its contituencies is now very very bright.

Eelam supporters will refrain from voting instead of voting to ena throgi. Ena throgi title was given to thatha by the eelam supporters only.

DMK winning chance is bright may be because of the poors who would be eagerly waiting for the freebies and the "many" government employees who would love to see this porkala atchi to continue for comfortable working atmosphere, good perks as well as good kimbalam for doing their own work. :cheers:

Mr.Nellai

March 20th, 2011, 04:25 PM

Achievements of AIADMK

This article is a part of a letter written by Tamilaruvi Mainiyan to JJ

The full article is here (http://tamilthesiyam.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-post_3465.html)

"கந்துவட்டிக் கொடுமையில் இருந்து ஏழைகளைக் காப்பாற்றிய நடவடிக்கை, பாமர மக்களின் வாழ்வாதாரத்தைச் சுரண்டிய லாட்டரி சீட்டுக்குத் தடை விதித்த நற்செயல், வீரப்பன் விவகாரத்துக்கு முற்றுப்புள்ளி வைப்பதில் வெளிப்படுத்திய துணிச்சல், காஞ்சி சங்கராச்சாரியாரைக் கைது செய்ததில் காட்டிய கண்டிப்பு, மழை நீர் சேகரிப்பில் மக்களை ஈடுபடுத்திய ஆளுமை, கலைஞரால் கை கழுவப்பட்ட வீராணம் திட்டத்தை வெற்றிகரமாக நிறைவேற்றிச் சென்னையின் தாகம் தவிர்த்த ஆட்சித் திறன், தாய்மை உணர்வுடன் தொடங்கிய தொட்டில் குழந்தைத் திட்டம் மூலம் வெளிப்படுத்திய சமூகப் பார்வை, கல்வி வளர்ச்சியைக் கருத்தில்கொண்டு பள்ளிப் பிள்ளைகளுக்கு இலவச சைக்கிள் வழங்கிய கருணை போன்றவற்றுக்காக நிச்சயம் நீங்கள் பெருமைப்படலாம். உங்கள் ஆட்சியின் சிறப்பு அம்சமாக மக்கள் மறவாமல் நினைப்பது சட்டம் – ஒழுங்கு பராமரிப்பு. கட்சிக்காரர்கள் அதிகாரம் செலுத்தும் கொத்தடிமைக் கூடங்களாக காவல் நிலையங்கள் கழிந்துபோக நீங்கள் அனுமதித்தது இல்லை!"

Malaysia Mustafa

March 20th, 2011, 04:38 PM

Hi all anti-freebies ......இப்ப யாருக்கு ஓட்டு போடலாம்னு இருக்கீங்க ??? :lol::lol::lol:

கிரைண்டர் அல்லது மிக்சி - தி.மு.க., : கிரைண்டர் + மிக்சி - அ.தி.மு.க.

தி.மு.க., தேர்தல் அறிக்கைக்கு போட்டியாக, அ.தி.மு.க., தேர்தல் அறிக்கையிலும், பல இலவசங்களை வழங்குவது தொடர்பான அறிவிப்புகள் இடம் பெற உள்ளன. இது தொடர்பாக அ.தி.மு.க., வட்டாரங்கள் கூறியதாவது:

* வீடுதோறும் கிரைண்டரும், மிக்சியும் சேர்த்து தரப்படும்.
* ஏழைப் பெண்களின் திருமணத்திற்கு ஒரு சவரன் தாலி இலவசம்.
* விதவைப் பெண்கள் அனைவருக்கும், இலவச தையல் மிஷின் வழங்கப்படும்.
* அனைத்து குடும்பங்களுக்கும் இலவச மொபைல் போன் வழங்கப்படும்.
* ஆறாம் வகுப்பு முதல் அனைத்து மாணவர்களுக்கும் இலவச சைக்கிள்.
* கூலித் தொழிலாளர்கள் அனைவருக்கும் இலவச சைக்கிள்.
* அனைத்து சமுதாயத்தைச் சேர்ந்த மாணவ, மாணவியருக்கும் கல்வி உதவித்தொகை.
* அனைத்து வீடுகளுக்கும் இலவசமாக அரசின் சார்பில் கேபிள், "டிவி' இணைப்பு வழங்கப்படும்.
* குடும்ப அட்டை வைத்துள்ள அனைவருக்கும், 30 கிலோ அரிசி இலவசமாக வழங்கப்படும்.
* குடும்ப அடடைதாரர்கள் அனைவருக்கும் மாதம் ஒரு லிட்டர் இலவச மண்ணெண்ணெய்.
* அனைத்து சமுதாய மாணவ, மாணவியருக்கும் இலவச கல்வி உதவித்தொகை.
* மாணவ, மாணவியருக்கு தகுதி அடிப்படையில் இலவச, "லேப்-டாப்' வழங்கப்படும்.
* மாணவர்களின் கல்விக் கடன் தள்ளுபடி செய்யப்படும்.
* அரசு மருத்துவ காப்பீட்டுத் தொகை, 10 லட்சம் ரூபாயாக உயர்த்தப்படும்.
இன்னும் ஓரிரு நாட்களில் அ.தி.மு.க., வெளியிட உள்ள தேர்தல் அறிக்கையில், அதிகாரப்பூர்வமாக இவையெல்லாம் இடம்பெற உள்ளன.

Dinamalar (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=208774)

satchitananda

March 20th, 2011, 04:39 PM

Its so sad that some of the folks are hell bent on freebies.. If you raise the people with the belief that everything should be provided by the government, yes you may get mandate, but you are killing the spirit of the people.

Government should aid progress not dependency. There are two ways to raise the society, either draw the ones from lower strata to higher OR by pulling the ones doing good..

Freebies is nothing more than modified form of socialism, in other words communism. So upside down thought process..

Instead of giving freebies only for vote, can the government provide better governance instead.. How about fostering better economic growth, without pulling down the ones progressing. Is Mixie/grinder or free tv better than laying roads, providing sewage and removing garbage...

Instead of trying to eliminate poverty by creating better jobs why are these losers hell bent on getting something for nothing.. so we are raising a society for beggars.. Politicians throwing freebie begging votes and people wanting freebies begging more freebies...

Instead of giving a fish (freebie) teach the person how to fish.. (you can do lifetime service)

Instead of getting a girl marriage assistance for 15K, why not raise a society of Kannagis (well when the freebie master himself is more than Kovalan's hero with Manavi, thunaivi.. what else do you expect)

Freebies only foster corruption and weak society and the folks supporting cannot even understand its a disease.. such is the pathos here..

People talk of all great freebies.. its not how great the freebies are..

a) It is supported by the other segment of the society involuntarily..
b) Something for nothing.. is worser than begging (In historic past when monks used to beg and eat, they were of societal value..nowadays they are either in streets or such fancy politicians)

Its not the political ideology, I am questioning, its the mindset. I have seen handicapped folks in TN and Chennai who are so self reliant.. cant we take a leaf out of them.

This freebie culture is a menace.. and must go with the propagators.

A political thinktank in west analyzed the ills of different types of systems like communism, capitalism, democracy etc. They define democracy's greatest weakness and beginning of the end of democracy is when people find they can vote guys who can provide freebies whatever they want to stay in power. This is the beginning of the end...

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 04:49 PM

Freebies is nothing more than modified form of socialism, in other words communism. So upside down thought process..

The constitution of India
"the Union of India to be a sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic, assuring its citizens of justice, equality, and liberty and, endeavors to promote among them all, fraternity"

Malaysia Mustafa

March 20th, 2011, 04:51 PM

What a superb letter (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=209269) from JJ to MDMK !!!!!

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 04:54 PM

Instead of giving freebies only for vote, can the government provide better governance instead.. How about fostering better economic growth, without pulling down the ones progressing. Is Mixie/grinder or free tv better than laying roads, providing sewage and removing garbage...

TN is one of the top performing states economically. Freebies + Developmental politics is the new paradigm and that works.

Tamil Nadu retains top position. (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/tamil-nadu-retains-top-slot-in-economic-freedom-ranking/428571/)

Malaysia Mustafa

March 20th, 2011, 04:58 PM

"மதுரைக்கு எதற்கு போறீங்க' - டீ குடிக்க குடும்பத்தோடு போறோம் (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=209284) :lol::lol::lol:

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 05:01 PM

Arul Murugan

March 20th, 2011, 05:09 PM

TN is one of the top performing states economically. Freebies + Developmental politics is the new paradigm and that works.

This what called as natural as per the many neutral forumers here. Top position, within top 5, invesment, growth rate of GDP etc., is set to grow/maintain who ever going to rule the state! Let it be Kelavan or Kelavi or elephant family.

Freebies is a slow poison will have its impact on state on one day.

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM

Manargudi family um dish tv, cycle, mobile, grinder, mixie, laptop company ellam start panna poranga pola. :lol: This manifesto is worst than DMK.

avangalum ethini naal than direct-a thirudi ketta peru vanguvanga? kaleengaru madhiri scientific thiruttukku vazhi senjirukkanga ippa :lol:

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 05:30 PM

This what called as natural as per the many neutral forumers here. Top position, within top 5, invesment, growth rate of GDP etc., is set to grow/maintain who ever going to rule the state! Let it be Kelavan or Kelavi or elephant family.

Freebies is a slow poison will have its impact on state on one day.
I believe KK can sustain this top ranking. If Vijaykanth comes we will not be in Top 5 for sure and JJ will certainly bring our rating from No.1 to atleast to No.3.

See what happens in Maharashtra and Karnataka.

We need commited political leadership to deliver and sustain. JJ by nature is arogant, tempermental etc. Vijayakanth is new to politicis and we all know he is not that smart, he does not even have a document describing his party policies and principles.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTXj3idjpc4)to the proof of her temperament.

Link for Vijaykanth
(I could not find the interview he gave with Madan (the Junior Vikatan guy))..if someone finds please post it.

satchitananda

March 20th, 2011, 05:32 PM

The constitution of India
"the Union of India to be a sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic, assuring its citizens of justice, equality, and liberty and, endeavors to promote among them all, fraternity"

I was expecting this and deliberately invited this comment.

Does it mean rob peter to pay paul (kadai thengaya vazhi pillayarukku udaikarathu)

When you lower the standard for maintaining quota, a 50% mark guy is getting a quota seat in the name of developing the society.. the question is with years of such quota and freebies has the society come forward..

The tragedy is guy getting 98% from some other social community is not able to get a chance to contribute.. hence the brain drain..

No where in the world a consitution has so many amendments in such a short period of time.. US one of the constitutions we copied, has still people fighting over the first amendment and second amendment..

Seyoan

March 20th, 2011, 05:38 PM

This what called as natural as per the many neutral forumers here.

Not giving credit to MK is neutral? Nice definition buddy, so far I have not seen any forumer that is neutral here. To the ADMK supporters their clan looks neutral and the opposite side is partisan and vice verse.

Why did IT develop in Bangalore first even though most of the labor force went from TN and AP? Is that just the natural process or the mere inefficiency of the then AP/TN leadership. Amma kicked out singapore corridor and it went to Bangalore as ITPL and laid the very foundation for India's Silicon valley in Bangalore.

Hyderabad developed from nothing to cyberabad, is that natural process and CBN had nothing to do with it? He made it happen, accept that.

Similarly TIDEL park in chennai laid the foundation for IT is Chennai and MK is responsible for it.

How come Gemini fly over to kathipura to kpyambedu to the umpteen bridges in chennai happened during only in MK rule.

Did I hear that the natural forces are absent when Amma rules?

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 05:43 PM

I was expecting this and deliberately invited this comment.

Chanakiyan...huh...!

Does it mean rob peter to pay paul (kadai thengaya vazhi pillayarukku udaikarathu)

Its democracy dude the majority decides...

When you lower the standard for maintaining quota, a 50% mark guy is getting a quota seat in the name of developing the society.. the question is with years of such quota and freebies has the society come forward..

Yes. TN is a top performing state. Highly urbanised , fast growing economy, less labor unrest etc etc

The tragedy is guy getting 98% from some other social community is not able to get a chance to contribute.. hence the brain drain..

So, be it.

No where in the world a consitution has so many amendments in such a short period of time.. US one of the constitutions we copied, has still people fighting over the first amendment and second amendment..

Have your first and second amendment and be happy... Let the poor,poorer and poorest India too be happy with many amendments and thier freebies and its socialism.

doccbe

March 20th, 2011, 05:50 PM

I was expecting this and deliberately invited this comment.

Does it mean rob peter to pay paul (kadai thengaya vazhi pillayarukku udaikarathu)

When you lower the standard for maintaining quota, a 50% mark guy is getting a quota seat in the name of developing the society.. the question is with years of such quota and freebies has the society come forward..

The tragedy is guy getting 98% from some other social community is not able to get a chance to contribute.. hence the brain drain..

No where in the world a consitution has so many amendments in such a short period of time.. US one of the constitutions we copied, has still people fighting over the first amendment and second amendment..

very well said..... :applause:
because of this I was denied my opportunity THREE times.

Seyoan

March 20th, 2011, 05:54 PM

avangalum ethini naal than direct-a thirudi ketta peru vanguvanga? kaleengaru madhiri scientific thiruttukku vazhi senjirukkanga ippa :lol:

When Amma release the manifesto it is all fair. The group that is blaming MK for this current governments freebie culture has conveniently avoided/forgotten that Amma matched every freebie that MK delivered in her manifesto in 2006.

I have not seen a neutral person in this forum that has blamed Amma for this freebie culture in the last 5 years as she also promised the same things in her manifesto. Probably they believe that Amma can never deliver anything including freebies.

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 06:01 PM

very well said..... :applause:
because of this I was denied my opportunity THREE times.
So, what are you going to do for the denied opportunities? Hoping for the 4th one to be successful...?!

krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 06:01 PM

TVs given by KK are sold to Kerala Tea shops for Rs 500 to 1000.

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 06:03 PM

TVs given by KK are in Kerala tea shops. TN People are selling it for Rs 500,
Not all the TVs are in Kerala tea shops, some sold it and few more will sell it. Thats okay.

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 06:31 PM

When Amma release the manifesto it is all fair. The group that is blaming MK for this current governments freebie culture has conveniently avoided/forgotten that Amma matched every freebie that MK delivered in her manifesto in 2006.

I have not seen a neutral person in this forum that has blamed Amma for this freebie culture in the last 5 years as she also promised the same things in her manifesto. Probably they believe that Amma can never deliver anything including freebies.

Re-read that post. Amma group direct-a thirudirukangannu solliruken. Indha manifesto-va vechi thatha vazhi-la ippa indirect-a thiruda poranganu solluren. Is that not criticism?

krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 06:35 PM

Re-read that post. Amma group direct-a thirudirukangannu solliruken. Indha manifesto-va vechi thatha vazhi-la ippa indirect-a thiruda poranganu solluren. Is that not criticism?
Thatha is most corrupt. Amma comes next.. Congress kekkave venam....
so irrespective of alliance can we vote for
1. Vijayakanth 2. Communists 3. I.J.K 4. B.J.P & JD(U) so that all can form the government together?

I hate Sarathkumar

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 06:53 PM

so far I have not seen any forumer that is neutral here.

If you are looking for a textbook definition for "neutral" agreed no one can be neutral. Perception, opinions, what we read and see in front of our eyes combined with common sense and your own assesment of a person / ideology makes one lean either towards or against it / them.

So, with that said for this election I would be the first person to agree that I am leaning towards Amma (Read this again ***for this election*** is the key).

The reason is not that Amma can deliver better. The reason is Thatha & Co was at its worst in their previous term. They deserved to be punished for their previous 5 years. They deserved to be punished for raising the level of corruption to previously unseen heights. They deserved to be punished for what they did to the state and people.

To answer your question about neutrality of myself (I can't speak for the rest of forumers) yes I am leaning towards ADMK for now. Had there been a decent alternative with around 25% votes in their kitty I would have gone for that. Unfortunately any other alternative that you can vote for will only split DMK votes and make thatha comeback to power unpunished. That's the reason I am going with ADMK this time... (ofcourse being an NRI I will not even be able to vote unless I fly down so it doesn't count, and it's hypothetical)

Yagya

March 20th, 2011, 06:55 PM

The India Cables from the Hindu

Looks like politicians of world's largest democracy have no inhibitions about sharing electoral secrets with the most powerful democracy in the world.

"Cash for votes a way of political life"

Politicians and their aides in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh admitted to violating election law to influence voters in the 2009 Lok Sabha polls through payments in the form of cash, goods, or services, according to a revealing cable sent to the State Department by Frederick J. Kaplan, Acting Principal Officer of the U.S. Consulate-General in Chennai. In conversations with a visiting consulate team, Karti Chidambaram of the Congress, M. Patturajan, confidant of Union Minister for Chemicals and Fertilizers M.K. Alagiri and former Mayor of Madurai, and Member of Parliament Assaduddin Owaisi of the Majlis-e-Ittenhadul Muslimeen spoke without inhibition about how they, their principals, or their parties made payments to voters during the election campaign.
In a cable sent on May 13, 2009 (206688: confidential), accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, Mr. Kaplan detailed the role and impact of money power in corrupting the electoral process, drawing from information gathered from a variety of sources in the field: “Bribes from political parties to voters, in the form of cash, goods, or services, are a regular feature of elections in South India. Poor voters expect bribes from political candidates, and candidates find various ways to satisfy voter expectations. From paying to dig a community well to slipping cash into an envelope delivered inside the morning newspaper, politicians and their operatives admitted to violating election rules to influence voters. The money to pay the bribes comes from the proceeds of fund-raising, which often crosses into political corruption. Although the precise impact of bribery on voter behavior is hard to measure, it no doubt swings at least some elections, especially the close races.”

Wherever Mr. Kaplan and his colleagues went, “journalists, politicians, and voters spoke of the bribes as a commonly accepted fact of the election process.”

For example, during visits to slums in Chennai and Hyderabad, they “learned that poor urban voters expect political parties to pay come election time.” They were told by a DMK political strategist that “slums are critical to a campaign because their population density and poverty allows them to be more ‘easily mobilized' by bribes.” Representatives of a non-governmental organisation working in a Chennai slum said that “the two main political parties in Tamil Nadu – the DMK and the AIADMK – regularly bribe voters.” They described a “sophisticated operation” to distribute cash: “Weeks before the elections agents of the parties come to the neighborhood with cash carried in rice sacks. They have copies of the voter lists and they distribute the money based on who is on the list.” The agents come in the middle of the night, “between two and four in the morning, when the Election Commission is asleep.”

‘Can I get another morning paper?’
In Madurai, “virtually every conversation centred on the parliamentary candidacy of Mr. M.K. Azhagiri,” who according to Mr. Kaplan had “added money” to his “political muscle” and was “using it to a degree previously unseen in Tamil Nadu.” His “confidant” Mr. Patturajan confirmed that cash payments were paid to voters by the DMK to secure the Assembly seat in the January 2009 by-election at Thirumangalam. “It is no secret at all, Azhagiri paid 5,000 rupees per voter in Thirumangalam,” he is quoted as saying in the cable.

In an instructive and entertaining section titled ‘Can I get another morning paper?' Mr. Kaplan explained the modus operandi for cash distribution adopted by the DMK in Thirumangalam: “Rather than using the traditional practice of handing cash to voters in the middle of the night, in Thirumangalam, the DMK distributed money to every person on the voting roll in envelopes inserted in their morning newspapers. In addition to the money, the envelopes contained the DMK ‘voting slip' which instructed the recipient for whom they should vote.” This, Mr. Kaplan noted, “forced everyone to receive the bribe.” Mr. Patturajan , he wrote, “confirmed the newspaper distribution method of handing out money, but questioned its efficiency. He [Patturajan] pointed out that giving bribes every voter wasted money on committed anti-DMK voters, but conceded that it was an effective way to ensure the cash reached every potential persuadable voter”.

S. Kannan, a mid-level Congress party official in Madurai, told consulate staff that “the 5,000 rupees per voter in Thirumangalam changed everything,” noting that previous bribes to voters had topped out at 500 rupees.

The cable reported that Mr. Patturajan expected difficulties in replicating the Thirumangalam model for the 2009 parliamentary election because the relevant Lok Sabha constituency was seven times the size of the Assembly seat. According to the cable: “Azhagiri has been forced to ratchet the payment back down to more typical levels, but he still plans on giving it to every voter through the newspaper distribution method.”

Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram's 2009 Lok Sabha election campaign in Sivaganga was managed by his son. According to the cable, Karti Chidambaram specifically denied paying cash for votes, “but not because of any moral objection to doing so. He does not pay cash for votes in his rural constituency because it is impossible to distribute the money effectively when the villages are spread so far apart.” But “the President of the Tamil Nadu Youth Congress,” who is not named in the cable, told the Chennai Consulate-General team: “Karti is doing a good job in Sivaganga. He is distributing some money to the people, which his father won't do.”

Karti Chidambaram admitted he “does give ‘a few sops' to villages that might be on the fence about supporting his father.” Most villages wanted a donation to the local temple and a community hall, he said. In his cable, Mr. Kaplan summarised Karti's position: “bribes are useful but not necessary to political success…bribes are one factor among many, along with the quality of the candidate, the strength of the party, and the issues. But he cautioned that bribes alone will not prevail.” Anil Ambani, Karti is quoted as saying, “can't win an election just by paying people off. It doesn't work that way.” Candidates needed a strong party apparatus in order to win elections, but “bribes can help put you over the top” in a close race.

“Worthy requests” by constituents were worth considering, mused MIM's Mr. Owaisi in a separate conversation with consulate staff over a late dinner in Hyderabad after a long day campaigning. According to Mr. Kaplan's cable, Mr. Owaisi tried to make a distinction between cash bribes given by rivals and payments to voters by his own party: “One community's leaders asked Owaisi that day to dig them a well. ‘So I sent one of my party men back later in the day,' he explained, ‘to give them 25,000 rupees (approximately 500 USD).' Owaisi emphasized that he does not give cash directly to voters, but rather funds worthy requests: ‘If they want a well, I give them the money, but make sure they use it for the well.' On the same day, he also told us that he had paid 35,000 rupees (700 USD) to pay for the marriage of an orphaned girl. Owaisi contrasted his practice of funding projects for the community's benefit with the Congress and Telugu Desam parties, which Owaisi said pay money to individual voters.”

Surprised by such candid responses, the U.S. Consulate-General officials asked Mr. Owaisi if donations like wells or marriage fees were not illegal. “Of, course,” came the reply, “but that's the great thing about democracy.”
http://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india-cables/article1541302.ece
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krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 06:59 PM

kongutamizhan

March 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM

A tale of two grandpas. Difference between Achuthananthan thatha and Mu.Ka. thatha.

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2011/03/20-03-11.html

ஸ்பெக்ட்ரம் ஊழல் தொடர்பாக அண்ணா அறிவாலயத்தில் வந்து முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியின் மனைவி தயாளு அம்மையார், மகள் கனிமொழி ஆகியோரிடம் விசாரணை நடத்தியது சி.பி.ஐ.

"கலைஞர் டிவிக்கும், எங்களுக்கும் எந்தவித தொடர்பும் இல்லை" என்று கலைஞர் டிவி தொடங்கப்பட்ட காலத்தில், ஒரு பேட்டியில் சொன்னார் கலைஞர். ஆனால், தற்போதைய விசாரணையில், அதில் தயாளு அம்மையாரும், கனிமொழியும்தான் முக்கிய பங்குதாரர்கள் என்று தெளிவாகி உள்ளது. மேலும், ஸ்பெக்ட்ரம் விவகாரத்தில்,கலைஞர் டிவிக்கு சுமார் 200 கோடி ருபாய் பண பரிவர்த்தனம் நடந்து இருப்பதும் தெரிய வந்து உள்ளது.

நமது முதல்வர் இதையெல்லாம் பற்றி கொஞ்சம் கூட அலட்டி கொள்ளாமல், தேர்தல் பணிகளில் பிசி ஆகி விட்டார்.

அவருக்கு முன்னால் தனது தனிப்பட்ட பண்புகள் மூலம் நிமிர்ந்து இருக்கிறார் கேரள முதல்வர் திரு.அச்சுதானந்தன்.

பொதுவாக நம்மூரிலும் சரி. மார்க்சிஸ்ட் மற்றும் இந்திய கம்யுனிஸ்ட் கட்சி தலைவர்கள் அதிகம் சொத்துக்கள் இல்லாத, எளிமையானவர்களாக இருக்கிறார்கள். கேரளாவின் முதல்வரும் அப்படியே.

இந்திய அரசியவாதிகள் குறிப்பாக தங்கள் வாரிசுகளை நாற்காலியில் உட்க்கரவைக்க துடிக்கும் அரசியல் தலைவர்களுக்கு பாடம் நடத்தி இருக்கிறார் திரு.அச்சுதானந்தன்.

அவரது மகன் வி.ஏ. அருண் குமார் மீது மொத்தம் 11 குற்றச்சாட்டுகளை எதிர்கட்சிகள் சுமத்தின.

அதில், கண்ணூர் பகுதியில் அனல் மின் திட்டம் அமைக்க, தொழிலதிபர் கே.பி.பி.நம்பியாரிடம் லஞ்சம் கேட்டது, பிஎச்.டி.,பட்டம் பதிவு செய்ய போலி சான்றிதழ்கள் அளித்தது, சந்தன மரங்கள் கடத்தும் மாபியா கும்பலுக்கு ஆதரவு அளித்தது, மாநில அரசு கோரி வரும் லாட்டரிச் சீட்டு முறைகேடு குறித்தான வழக்கில் ஈடுபட்டது என்று முக்கியமானவை ஆகும்.
இதுவே, நம் கருணாநிதி ஆக இருந்து இருந்தால், இது ஆரியர்களின் சதி, ஆரிய-திராவிட யுத்தம் என்று "புரட்சிகரமாக" பேசி இருப்பார்.

ஆனால், தற்போது முதல்வராக இருக்கும் அச்சுதானந்தன், தனது மகனுக்கு எதிராக எதிர்க்கட்சிகள் சுமத்தி வரும் குற்றச்சாட்டுக்கள் குறித்து ஓய்வு பெற்ற நீதிபதி, போலீஸ் எஸ்.பி., ஆகியோர் அடங்கிய குழு விசாரிக்க வேண்டும் என, மாநில உள்ளாட்சித் துறைக்கு உத்தரவிட்டார்.

தனது மகனுக்கு தொடர்பு உடைய லாட்டரிச்சீட்டு மோசடி சம்பந்தமாக, சி.பி.ஐ.,விசாரணை கோரி ஒரு கடிதம் எழுதிய முதல்வர் அச்சுதானந்தன். அத்துடன் தனது மகனுக்கு எதிரான அனைத்து குற்றச்சாட்டுக்கள் குறித்தும் சி.பி.ஐ.,விசாரிக்க வேண்டும் என்றும் கோரி இருக்கிறார்.

மத்திய அரசுக்கு அவரே இந்த கோரிக்கையை முன் வைத்து இருக்கிறார்.

விரைவில் நடைபெறப்போகும் கேரள சட்டசபை தேர்தலை மனதில் வைத்து அவர் செயல்படவில்லை என்று நாம் சொல்ல வலுவான காரணம்...மத்தியில் இருப்பதும், கேரளாவில் எதிர்க்கட்சிகளாக இருப்பதும் காங்கிரஸ் கட்சியே.

அச்சுதானந்தன், ஒரு அரசியல் தலைவர் எப்படி நடந்து கொள்ளவேண்டும் என்பதற்கு ஒரு நல்ல முன்னுதாரணம்.

ஆனால், கேரள முதல்வர் தன் மகன் மீது இப்படி நடவடிக்கை எடுத்தும், அவரது கம்யுனிஸ்ட் கட்சியே அவரது மகன் மீதான குற்றசாட்டுகளை சுட்டிக்காட்டி, வரும் கேரள சட்டமன்ற தேர்தலில் அவர்க்கு மீண்டும் வாய்ப்பு தர மறுத்துவிட்டது, தேர்தலிலும் அவருக்கு சீட் மறுக்கப்பட்டது.

பின்னர், தனது மகன் மீதான வழக்குகளில் அவரின் நடுநிலைத்தன்மையை உறுதி செய்த பின்னரே, மார்க்சிஸ்ட் கம்யுனிஸ்ட் தலைமை அவர்க்கு மறுபடியும், மலம்புழா தொகுதியில் போட்டியிட வாய்ப்பு தந்து இருக்கிறது.

ஆனால், நம்மூரிலோ, தனது வீட்டின் சமையலறை வரை ஸ்பெக்ட்ரம் விசாரணை வந்தும்,அது பற்றி வாயே திறக்காமல் கடந்த ஆண்டு ஜூன் மாதமே ஒய்வு பெறப்போவதாக அறிவித்து இருந்த கருணாநிதி, திமுக பொதுக்குழு(?) வற்புறுத்தல்(!) காரணமாக, தற்சமயம் மீண்டும் தேர்தலில் களம் காண, திருவாரூரில் போட்டியிட முடிவு செய்துவிட்டார்.

Seyoan

March 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM

I am also supporting for ADMK+alliance because there is no other alternative...
thatha was unable to come to power till M.G.R after that too he came to power twice it is only because of JJ's arrogance and her attitude towards common man... If JJ changes atleast 40% and give a good rule in next 5 yrs .. there wont be "tomorrow" for DMK....
TN needs good new leaders... the time is coming for that

Thatha could never beat MGR, because MGR practiced the freebie culture and apparently Thatha has learned his lessons.

JJ who could not change in two terms would change this when a lightening from sky hits Poes garden, anyway how did you get that 40% ? why not 39%:lol:

krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 07:26 PM

anyway how did you get that 40% ? why not 39%:lol:
Just "Hope". She should not block the traffic...Should focus on TN development and then she can target on punishing DMK Cadres...

krishnaswamy

March 20th, 2011, 07:31 PM

Vijayakanth from Thanjavur
Friends, Thanjavur is not in the list of ADMK, left parties..So in all likelihood it will be for DMDK..
Except Vijayakanth, any body else from DMDK will loose against S.N.M Ubayadulla. S.N.M & Palanimanickkam money power is big....
Thanjavur people also prefer DMK because of absence of strong ADMK...
This is also one of the reason for no development to Thanjavur.
So if Vijayakanth contests, people will definetely vote for him. and he can give a kick to DMK money power in Thanjavur..
In 2006, DMDK Candidate Jothi, did not have a good name . That is also one of the reason for people voted for DMK in 2006

doccbe

March 20th, 2011, 08:14 PM

So, what are you going to do for the denied opportunities? Hoping for the 4th one to be successful...?!

India's future???????:ohno:

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 08:40 PM

India's future???????:ohno:
India's future looks very much bright than it was in the past. The world is taking about India's and China's future by saying 21st century belong to Asia.

May be denying more would make India much more Brighter....?!!!

doccbe

March 20th, 2011, 09:02 PM

India's future looks very much bright than it was in the past. The world is taking about India's and China's future by saying 21t century belong to Asia.

May be denying more would make India much more Brighter....?!!!

Technology??????? :nuts:

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 09:06 PM

Technology??????? :nuts:
When the world says the future looks bright of course technology is included buddy...

doccbe

March 20th, 2011, 09:13 PM

^^

All the machines used in my lab are American (most) or Japanese or European (less no) technologies.

doccbe

March 20th, 2011, 09:18 PM

^^

Of the sea of medicines available only centchroman was developed in India and that too it is not used today. Check out an American or European drug development lab and CDRI lab?

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 09:34 PM

^^

All the machines used in my lab are American (most) or Japanese or European (less no) technologies.
Its no secret its known to everyone...

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 09:35 PM

^^

Of the sea of medicines available only centchroman was developed in India and that too it is not used today. Check out an American or European drug development lab and CDRI lab?
Indian corporations need to invest more money into R & D then new drugs from India will come too...

doccbe

March 20th, 2011, 10:00 PM

Indian corporations need to invest more money into R & D then new drugs from India will come too...

Equal is the attitude problem, root cause? The answer: First point of this discussion. I am seeing it in my work place.

mentor008

March 20th, 2011, 10:31 PM

Equal is the attitude problem, root cause?

What do you mean?

bonoslack7

March 21st, 2011, 12:42 AM

gXPN4dfBAGU

gvijayan

March 21st, 2011, 12:51 AM

http://www.dailythanthi.com/thanthiepaper/2132011/slm2103pa18fespor1.jpg

Mr.Nellai

March 21st, 2011, 01:13 AM

I am also supporting for ADMK+alliance because there is no other alternative...
thatha was unable to come to power till M.G.R after that too he came to power twice it is only because of JJ's arrogance and her attitude towards common man... If JJ changes atleast 40% and give a good rule in next 5 yrs .. there wont be "tomorrow" for DMK....
TN needs good new leaders... the time is coming for that

My stand is in line with arul murugan's sir view "let dmk or aiadmk win- but congress should not win even in one":lol:

Mr.Nellai

March 21st, 2011, 01:20 AM

The Vaiko effect

ftBHMa4bVCw

Mr.Nellai

March 21st, 2011, 01:24 AM

The first people who encountered the TSunami

DrJYuyxrep4

satishanu

March 21st, 2011, 02:17 AM

That's amazing video. Thx for sharing

Mr.Nellai

March 21st, 2011, 04:21 AM

pritm

March 21st, 2011, 05:18 AM

India's future looks very much bright than it was in the past. The world is taking about India's and China's future by saying 21st century belong to Asia.
My worry is with the current level of scams going on I feel our politicians will pull it down.
Todays News in India will become 4th largest car maker by the end of this fiscal next to China,US and Japan

Malaysia Mustafa

March 21st, 2011, 06:32 AM

Almost all print media have written off JJ with regard to MDMK issue. a sympathy wave has been created. Whether will it work against jj? Whether a stalemate situation would be created? I mean no party gets majority ! :dunno:

Here (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=209815) is the exact news of what you have thought

vs007

March 21st, 2011, 07:32 AM

The Vaiko effect

And the prostrating starts...

Malaysia Mustafa

March 21st, 2011, 11:14 AM

ஆரம்பிச்சுட்டாங்கய்யா ஆரம்பிச்சுட்டாங்கய்யா....Fasten your seat belts.

தி.மு.க.,வை ஆதரித்து வருகிற 23ம் தேதி முதல் தமிழகம் முழுவதும் தேர்தல் பிரசாரம் செய்ய இருப்பதாக நகைச்சுவை நடிகர் *வடிவேலு தெரிவித்தார். சென்னையில் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியை அவரது இல்லத்தில் சந்தித்துப் பேசிய பிறகு நிர்பர்களுக்கு அளித்த பேட்டியில் வடிவேலு இதை தெரிவித்தார். வருகிற 23ம் தேதியன்று முதல்வர் கருணாநிதி போட்டியிடும் திருவாரூர் தொகுதியில் இருந்து பிரசாரத்தை துவக்கப்போவதாக தெரிவித்தார்.

Dinamalar (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=209881)

satchitananda

March 21st, 2011, 02:34 PM

Chanakiyan...huh...!

I definitely am proud to have his teachings as a guidance.. I will anyday be blessed to have him as a MENTOR

Its democracy dude the majority decides...
Thats exactly what I was telling.. majority decides.. thats part of the bane in the system.

Have your first and second amendment and be happy... Let the poor,poorer and poorest India too be happy with many amendments and thier freebies and its socialism.

Typical of folks who seem to believe that you need to take away others privileges or carve out special rights from others so that you can fake equal growth.

No one in the world will ever achieve equality. What you are saying is akin to a teacher of 50 students finds 4-5 students always bright, another 30-35 ok and the rest real real dull. If the teacher ignores the majority and teaches only the last 5, chances are 100% that the bright will end up as dull.

Your freebie system is akin to taking the marks from higher students and distributing to fail mark students.. what I am telling is create an envrionment where there is some special coaching for weaker students or create a mentorship program where the strong students can assist in understanding

Law of nature, what you focus will grow, we choose to focus on inequality by giving freebies, no need to guess answer.. more inequality.. more Batchas and Rajas will fill in.. The best way to foster growth will be to create an envirnoment for growth for all..

Those you keep crying about supporting the poor never have started any industry or assistance program.. they only create a political environment for more exploitation.. How many years they have been talking of uplifting people below poverty line(BPL).. since independance... why no change.. that is because no politician or the believers of this freebie culture have an incentive to get the folks out of BPL. If you get slight bone fracture, you can use a crutch.. but if i give an incentive to use the crutch(freebie ideology), why will the person ever give up the crutch..

If you were to really help ppl out of BPL, then you must raise the thought process.. Mere talk will not help.. Action may be small, but action is a must..

PS: I think I have amplified the need for growth and the need for a better standard of living.. I will not add any more thoughts on the freebie topic.

greatchennai

March 21st, 2011, 03:55 PM

So, what are you going to do for the denied opportunities? Hoping for the 4th one to be successful...?!

Rightly Said..! Come on Guys...check out any so called developed nations in the west, every country placing huge tax on high earners and increasing the social benefits to the lower class of the people....Umemployment benefits, Allowance for Elders, Free health care etc....So i feel nothing wrong in doing some sensible distribution from DMK.....on the Macroeconomics too, its highly supported...GDP ( Aggregate Demand) = C+G+I+NX - Where G is Goverment spending on welfare and etc...so it could increase national GDP too....

satchitananda

March 21st, 2011, 04:41 PM

Rightly Said..! Come on Guys...check out any so called developed nations in the west, every country placing huge tax on high earners and increasing the social benefits to the lower class of the people....Umemployment benefits, Allowance for Elders, Free health care etc....So i feel nothing wrong in doing some sensible distribution from DMK.....on the Macroeconomics too, its highly supported...GDP ( Aggregate Demand) = C+G+I+NX - Where G is Goverment spending on welfare and etc...so it could increase national GDP too....

Brilliant.. so how much GDP increased with the free TV.. and who were the super beneficiaries besides increased SUN TV viewership.

How much poverty did government eliminate by having people glued to their new fancy TV sets.

My friend this is cheap and dirty politics at best.. If on the other hand, government focussed on some meaningful scheme for health or job creation, your argument would be well appreciated..

Instead of having bullet trains (unless their version of bullet train is modified enfield engine) , if they even did doubling of track btwn Tambaram and Villupuram (atleast Chengalpat), the railway fantasy would be more closer to reality.

Government must spend on proper issues.. They rely on TASMAC and broken families to pay for this. You talk of west, since I live there, I can tell, there is accountability for every penny. There are a million checks and balances before they spend or revoke any spending. Tell me your wonderful checks and balances besides AIADMK then DMK and again AIADMK and then DMK rule... is the pattern change your version of checks and balances.

For how many more decades are they gonna do this crappy redistribution. If you say till there are no poor ppl. Then WHERE IS THE PLAN.. Show me one government document or political manifesto with details (not election promise) that lays out this plan.

If your answer to the above question is no, then you already answered yourselves on what we have achieved.

Poverty exists even in US. I have interacted with countless poor ppl in US and bottom line.. its their entitlement mentality that keeps them poor in the wealthiest nation.. this is not my opinion, this is a fact.

Government spending must be chanelized. First let the next government just finish one road.. IT corridor before even announcing new roads.. else it will be just a good joke.

Formulas dont help ppl. Ground reality is restore the backbone and the pride of achievement for ppl., not a something for nothing culture.

kongutamizhan

March 21st, 2011, 04:46 PM

...Umemployment benefits, Allowance for Elders, Free health care etc........

Free health care for elders, unemployment benefits are all okay!! What about free TV, free money, free rice? Do you know that TV that you get (however fancier one it is) will be worthless in 2 years monetarily?

And also do you have any idea how social security scheme that you talked about works in the rich nations? You have to contribute to social security and earn minimum points in order to become eligible for that. There is no free lunch really. Also for things like unemployment benefits, you can avail those benefits for few weeks and not for ever (Agreed that during recession all governments increased the # of weeks for benefits, but it is temporary). So don't even compare the social security welfare schemes of the rich nations to that of what DMK is doing. What DMK and ADMK are doing with their manifesto are not real social security (with the exception of free checkup for senior citizens)

vs007

March 21st, 2011, 04:59 PM

.... So don't even compare the social security welfare schemes of the rich nations to that of what DMK is doing. What DMK and ADMK are doing with their manifesto are not real social security (with the exception of free checkup for senior citizens)

KT, You make sense.
Heard what Churchill said about democracy/elections?
You deserve the kind of Govt you get.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 05:21 PM

GDP ( Aggregate Demand) = C+G+I+NX - Where G is Goverment spending on welfare and etc...so it could increase national GDP too....

Faulty understanding and highly simplified. So why dont the govt give Roll Royce to everyone? GDP will simply shoot up.

satchitananda

March 21st, 2011, 05:54 PM

Faulty understanding and highly simplified. So why dont the govt give Roll Royce to everyone? GDP will simply shoot up.

@TShyam - Since you innocently came with such good idea.. thatha wants to appoint you as his team mate.. based on this theme.. we will first give Thatha Nano (Since its given by Thatha Tatas will have to cut a deal there.. :lol:) to all ppl without cars.. the election after that.. ....maybe Amma will come back.. the one after that waiting for TShyam's ideas.. ;).. JK in lighter vein.

bonoslack7

March 21st, 2011, 05:57 PM

i guess what greatchennai meant is that even if government gives tv, grinder, mobile.....people need to buy sim card, rice flour and cable connection. Those who can't afford sell it.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 06:04 PM

^^ Bastiat's broken window fallacy (look it up)

@Satch: Thatha nano :lol: I like it.

bonoslack7

March 21st, 2011, 06:13 PM

aah...ok got it. But that fallacy only makes sense in an ideal world where there are no boundaries.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 06:19 PM

No it is a common fallacy committed by anyone. It is not for ideal world.

Seyoan

March 21st, 2011, 06:46 PM

Faulty understanding and highly simplified. So why dont the govt give Roll Royce to everyone? GDP will simply shoot up.

Yes GDP would definitely shoot up as long as they are made in India

Subra

March 21st, 2011, 07:02 PM

http://www.sify.com/news/subramanian-swamy-seeks-to-prosecute-chidambaram-sonia-gandhi-news-national-ldvvkkegjch.html

Chennai, March 21 (IANS) Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy Monday alleged that union Home Minister P. Chidambaram is involved in the 2G spectrum allocation scam and would seek the prime minister's sanction to prosecute him.

'I will seek the prime minister's sanction to prosecute Chidambaram. I will also seek the sanction of the prime minister for the prosecution of (Congress president) Sonia Gandhi, heading the National Advisory Council (NAC), for corruption,' Swamy said.

He said a cabinet committee had directed former communications minister A. Raja and the then finance minister, Chidambaram, to arrive at the price at which the 2G radio waves were to be sold.

The then home minister, Shivraj Patil, had prepared a report against allocating spectrum to Swan Telecom and Unitech on security reasons, he added.

Swami alleged that after becoming the home minister, Chidambaram did not pass the information to Raja.

He declined to say what was the basis of his seeking the prime minister's permission to prosecute Gandhi.

Swamy claimed that Robert Vadra, Gandhi's son-in-law, had 20 percent stake in Unitech.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 07:15 PM

Yes GDP would definitely shoot up as long as they are made in India

Hmmm then why is the government not doing it? Infact they can offer 100 RR for each person - the economy will be in great shape. I am sure RR will shift its production line if it gets such a big order.

bonoslack7

March 21st, 2011, 07:25 PM

maybe poor people can't take care of maintenance and government has no money to buy rr for everyone...hehe

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 07:35 PM

Govt can provide free maintanence too!! Wats the big deal? Afterall it will "increase GDP"

Seyoan

March 21st, 2011, 08:11 PM

Hmmm then why is the government not doing it? Infact they can offer 100 RR for each person - the economy will be in great shape. I am sure RR will shift its production line if it gets such a big order.

If the government is in a shape to offer 100 RR for each person, then that is best shape possible for a government, the strongest economy that mankind has ever witnessed.

Jokes apart, government expenditure as long as the goods and services are procured domestically is definitely a component of GDP, please do not refute that fact.

I am not not a supporter of freebies either, among the alternatives that we have in TN I prefer MK that is it. If he happens to be showering freebies I will accept that as a fact/cost that we pay for better infrastructure and industrialization. With Amma TN can only go backwards.

My opinion is just based on the performance of Thatha/Amma as CM, unfortunately I do not have blind hopes that Amma would change.....

People who have been strongly believing that Amma would change have not thought of the possibility of Thatha changing. Love is blind, religion is blind political affiliations is still worse in its blinding.

bonoslack7

March 21st, 2011, 08:31 PM

maybe thats the reason why tn buys ashok leyland buses, china buys chinese buses, etc.

Vicvin86

March 21st, 2011, 08:40 PM

Vicvin86

March 21st, 2011, 08:53 PM

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 09:02 PM

Jokes apart, government expenditure as long as the goods and services are procured domestically is definitely a component of GDP, please do not refute that fact.

What?? Thats not a fact at all!! How is govt paying for those goods and services? You are saying it increases the GDP, tell me how? Dont you realize that the money the govt spends is itself absorbed from the economy thereby reducing the economic output by that much? If the govt haven't taxed the people, it would have gone into the economy as household savings or corporate savings or as real estate value or goods bought by the common man or infrastructure built or something else. Please read a book called economics for dummies. I also want you to learn the difference between asset and liabilities before offering your theories.

I am not not a supporter of freebies either, among the alternatives that we have in TN I prefer MK that is it. If he happens to be showering freebies I will accept that as a fact/cost that we pay for better infrastructure and industrialization. With Amma TN can only go backwards.

My opinion is just based on the performance of Thatha/Amma as CM, unfortunately I do not have blind hopes that Amma would change.....

People who have been strongly believing that Amma would change have not thought of the possibility of Thatha changing. Love is blind, religion is blind political affiliations is still worse in its blinding.

Why are trying to divert the topic by bringing in politics. Did I say one group is better than other? I was talking economics. You are giving totally absurd theories as "economic facts". And FYI ADMK manifesto is going to give even more goodies. I dont know what you guys are going to say then.

kongutamizhan

March 21st, 2011, 09:17 PM

http://www.dinamani.com/edition/photoonStory.aspx?&SectionName=Cartoon&artid=393743&SectionID=221&MainSectionID=221&SEO=&Title=%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A9%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D%204%20%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BF,%20%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%8D%20%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A9%E0%AE%BF%20%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D!

I disagree with the content of cartoon!! What if I am (or tamizhans are) in a mood for Dosai or Oothappam or North Indian? They should allow us to order and get us what we want!! Since they are giving cell phones for free why not make it comfortable for us. Max utilitzation of technology and every tamilians get customized service too you see :)

Seyoan

March 21st, 2011, 09:32 PM

What?? Thats not a fact at all!! How is govt paying for those goods and services? You are saying it increases the GDP, tell me how?

You probably need to read the book on economics for the dummiest of the dummies, please do not expose your ignorance blatantly.

Government spending is part of the GDP of a nation, you do not need to go beyond higher secondary level economics to understand this.

Please read the basic first before googling for Bastiat etc

gvijayan

March 21st, 2011, 09:41 PM

satchitananda

March 21st, 2011, 09:54 PM

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 09:56 PM

You probably need to read the book on economics for the dummiest of the dummies, please do not expose your ignorance blatantly.

Government spending is part of the GDP of a nation, you do not need to go beyond higher secondary level economics to understand this.

Please read the basic first before googling for Bastiat etc

Hey reply to my questions directly. Abusing without basis wont help.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 10:04 PM

Based on the above interactions, as a layman my genuine questions:

Lets assume government has totally Rs 1000. It wants to spend 100 on freebies (RR). Government goes to local XYZ co. and says make some orders of a product. This it distributes to the people.

a) Since government took money from its own existing pocket and spent, it did not raise or depreciate the GDP - Right ??

b) Now the RR did get manufactured locally (assumption), so lots of companies did benefit. Now for the freebies (TV for example), since its a give away, there is no sales tax or return for government of any sort - Right ??

c) Since I have the TV/RR, as a consumer I may choose to use it. For example, Cable TV connection (help SUN TV) or petrol (Again loss making only for government)in case of RR. So depending on the situation it may or maynot bring a raise in the GDP ?? - Right ??

d) I assume one would not come back and say so many jobs are created. Would that not be double calculating the government's spending impact. If thats a wrong assumption, then thats the only place I see there can be marginal increase.

Now as an economics layman please educate me on where the GDP grows. Thanks in advance.

The fundamental thing is how govt got that 1000 rupees. GDP grows when the capital available is invested in something which will create wealth in a recurrent fashion (assets). For example, if government spends it in educating its citizens, it creates a asset which will bring in more wealth recurrently. If it creates a hospital, it leverages the human capability by "repairing" that detoriated human capital. It is applicable not only to govt but also to individuals and corporates. If the capital (by govt, individual, corporate) goes into dead end investment (which wont create wealth but infact consume it), it is called liability. Cars, TV or even defence spending among others fall into this category. They dont increase but decrease the gdp.

satchitananda

March 21st, 2011, 10:06 PM

The fundamental thing is how govt got that 1000 rupees. GDP grows when the capital available is invested in something which will create wealth in a recurrent fashion (assets). For example, if government spends it in educating its citizens, it creates a asset which will bring in more wealth recurrently. If it creates a hospital, it leverages the human capability by "repairing" that detoriated human capital. It is applicable not only to govt but also to individuals and corporates. If the capital (by govt, individual, corporate) goes into dead end investment (which wont create wealth but infact consume it), it is called liability. Cars, TV and others fall into this category. They dont increase but decrease the gdp.

I get your point, can you also confirm if each of my assumption/idea is right a,b,c,d

bonoslack7

March 21st, 2011, 10:10 PM

Based on the above interactions, as a layman my genuine questions:

Lets assume government has totally Rs 1000. It wants to spend 100 on freebies (RR). Government goes to local XYZ co. and says make some orders of a product. This it distributes to the people.

a) Since government took money from its own existing pocket and spent, it did not raise or depreciate the GDP - Right ??

b) Now the RR did get manufactured locally (assumption), so lots of companies did benefit. Now for the freebies (TV for example), since its a give away, there is no sales tax or return for government of any sort - Right ??

c) Since I have the TV/RR, as a consumer I may choose to use it. For example, Cable TV connection (help SUN TV) or petrol (Again loss making only for government)in case of RR. So depending on the situation it may or maynot bring a raise in the GDP ?? - Right ??

d) I assume one would not come back and say so many jobs are created. Would that not be double calculating the government's spending impact. If thats a wrong assumption, then thats the only place I see there can be marginal increase.

Now as an economics layman please educate me on where the GDP grows. Thanks in advance.

GDP IS NOT government khajana.

GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports)

When people get TV etc. privare consumption will increase. Social/welfare (free food, tv, grinder, subsidized rations) spending is a major part of government spending.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 10:12 PM

a) Right.
b) Companies benefit yes but at the cost of which industries which would have benefited otherwise? that is the important question.
c) Right
d) GDP infact depends on the velocity of flow of money. More the velocity, higher the GDP.

kongutamizhan

March 21st, 2011, 10:17 PM

^^

Agree with you that government spending does play a part in increasing the GDP. Read the complete article (Not just the extract I posted here), read the underlined part and tell me where these kind of government spending that DMK and ADMK are promising in their manifestos are taking us to...If those spendings are on infrastructure like roads, ports, trains, schools, bridges etc., it creates job and is healthy for economy. If the spending is on less important things they better not do it

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/economy/11view.html

HOW MUCH BANG FOR EACH BUCK? Economics textbooks, including Mr. Samuelson’s and my own more recent contribution, teach that each dollar of government spending can increase the nation’s gross domestic product by more than a dollar. When higher government spending increases G.D.P., consumers respond to the extra income they earn by spending more themselves. Higher consumer spending expands aggregate demand further, raising the G.D.P. yet again. And so on. This positive feedback loop is called the multiplier effect.

In practice, however, the multiplier for government spending is not very large. The best evidence comes from a recent study by Valerie A. Ramey, an economist at the University of California, San Diego. Based on the United States’ historical record, Professor Ramey estimates that each dollar of government spending increases the G.D.P. by only 1.4 dollars. So, by doing the math, we find that when the G.D.P. expands, less than a third of the increase takes the form of private consumption and investment. Most is for what the government has ordered, which raises the next question.

WILL THE EXTRA SPENDING BE ON THINGS WE NEED? If you hire your neighbor for $100 to dig a hole in your backyard and then fill it up, and he hires you to do the same in his yard, the government statisticians report that things are improving. The economy has created two jobs, and the G.D.P. rises by $200. But it is unlikely that, having wasted all that time digging and filling, either of you is better off.

People don’t usually spend their money buying things they don’t want or need, so for private transactions, this kind of inefficient spending is not much of a problem. But the same cannot always be said of the government. If the stimulus package takes the form of bridges to nowhere, a result could be economic expansion as measured by standard statistics but little increase in economic well-being

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 10:18 PM

GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports)

This formula is indeed correct but govt spending is specifically mentioned here because tax is compulsory. Infact if I say GDP = private consumption + spending of Reliance industries + gross investment + investment of reliance industries + government spending + (exports − imports) it wont be wrong. But the spending and investment of reliance industries itself comes from the general economy!! So you dont need to mention that seperately. The same goes with govt spending too. But since govt spending is universal, it gets mentioned in that formula!!

To make it easier
GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports) = consumption + investment + (exports − imports).

Seyoan

March 21st, 2011, 10:20 PM

Based on the above interactions, as a layman my genuine questions:

Lets assume government has totally Rs 1000. It wants to spend 100 on freebies (RR). Government goes to local XYZ co. and says make some orders of a product. This it distributes to the people.

a) Since government took money from its own existing pocket and spent, it did not raise or depreciate the GDP - Right ??

wrong it does increase GDP, any government expense has to come from government pockets, the only thing that does not count is 'transfer payment' like government doles, a highly misunderstood concept, when this doles are used by the beneficiaries it is counted in GDP as part of private consumption.

b) Now the RR did get manufactured locally (assumption), so lots of companies did benefit. Now for the freebies (TV for example), since its a give away, there is no sales tax or return for government of any sort - Right ??

Government in this case did not effectively receive an indirect tax, so what is your point ? are you saying, so there is not increase in GDP?
Wrong, are you saying tax heavens have zero GDP

c) Since I have the TV/RR, as a consumer I may choose to use it. For example, Cable TV connection (help SUN TV) or petrol (Again loss making only for government)in case of RR. So depending on the situation it may or maynot bring a raise in the GDP ?? - Right ??

I buy a burger, whether I eat it or shove in the potty does not impact the contribution of the burger to GDP.

d) I assume one would not come back and say so many jobs are created. Would that not be double calculating the government's spending impact. If thats a wrong assumption, then thats the only place I see there can be marginal increase.

Yes one would back with that answer and it is not double counting in this case.

TShyam

March 21st, 2011, 10:20 PM

^^

Agree with you that government spending does play a part in increasing the GDP. Read the complete article (Not just the extract I posted here), read the underlined part and tell me where these kind of government spending that DMK and ADMK are promising in their manifestos are taking us to...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/economy/11view.html

HOW MUCH BANG FOR EACH BUCK? Economics textbooks, including Mr. Samuelson’s and my own more recent contribution, teach that each dollar of government spending can increase the nation’s gross domestic product by more than a dollar. When higher government spending increases G.D.P., consumers respond to the extra income they earn by spending more themselves. Higher consumer spending expands aggregate demand further, raising the G.D.P. yet again. And so on. This positive feedback loop is called the multiplier effect.

In practice, however, the multiplier for government spending is not very large. The best evidence comes from a recent study by Valerie A. Ramey, an economist at the University of California, San Diego. Based on the United States’ historical record, Professor Ramey estimates that each dollar of government spending increases the G.D.P. by only 1.4 dollars. So, by doing the math, we find that when the G.D.P. expands, less than a third of the increase takes the form of private consumption and investment. Most is for what the government has ordered, which raises the next question.

WILL THE EXTRA SPENDING BE ON THINGS WE NEED? If you hire your neighbor for $100 to dig a hole in your backyard and then fill it up, and he hires you to do the same in his yard, the government statisticians report that things are improving. The economy has created two jobs, and the G.D.P. rises by $200. But it is unlikely that, having wasted all that time digging and filling, either of you is better off.

People don’t usually spend their money buying things they don’t want or need, so for private transactions, this kind of inefficient spending is not much of a problem. But the same cannot always be said of the government. If the stimulus package takes the form of bridges to nowhere, a result could be economic expansion as measured by standard statistics but little increase in economic well-being

Exactly!! This is the classical Keynesian argument (Although i dont think "economists" in this thread knows squat about Keynesian and Austrian schools).