I am here now:)

5000 postukkulla oru ranakalame illa aayirukku

Arasiyal la ithellam saatharanamappa.

^^
In this GDP measuring world no one looks at the real value of goods and services produced. For example, if a cigarette making company had sales of a few billion dollars and those consumers had to undergo cancer treatment spending a billion dollars and some of their relatives end up paying for the funerals to the tune of millions of dollars, no body bothers to say all of this money was wasted. They see that the overall GDP grew. :)

^^
In this GDP measuring world no one looks at the real value of goods and services produced. For example, if a cigarette making company had sales of a few billion dollars and those consumers had to undergo cancer treatment spending a billion dollars and some of their relatives end up paying for the funerals to the tune of millions of dollars, no body bothers to say all of this money was wasted. They see that the overall GDP grew. :)

Absolutely. Maybe the govt should give free cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana.. It will increase GDP :)

^^
In this GDP measuring world no one looks at the real value of goods and services produced. For example, if a cigarette making company had sales of a few billion dollars and those consumers had to undergo cancer treatment spending a billion dollars and some of their relatives end up paying for the funerals to the tune of millions of dollars, no body bothers to say all of this money was wasted. They see that the overall GDP grew. :)

The money appears to be wasted for those who lost their loved ones. Not for the cigarette company or the hospital or the government. They all earned money.

Absolutely. Maybe the govt should give free cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana.. It will increase GDP :)

Marijuana is illegal and the from the other two product governments earn lot of money so they wont distribute em free.

The last 5 pages went with such a rapid pace that I just completed reading all posts finally :cheers:

Marijuana is illegal and the from the other two product governments earn lot of money so they wont distribute em free.

Are u okay if legal part is taken care of? :lol: How many times have we banned and lifted the ban on alcohol? Why not extend that to drugs?

Are u okay if legal part is taken care of? :lol: How many times have we banned and lifted the ban on alcohol? Why not extend that to drugs?

I was answering why govt wont distribute them free.

Independent contestant brought his entire deposit amount of Rs 10,000 as denominations of 1,2,5 Rs coins for filing nominations to signify honesty


http://epaper.dinamani.com/epaperimages/2232011/22032011-cni-mn-11/32744125.JPG

LATEST NEWS:MDMK CADRES GOING TO CONTEST AS INDEPENDENTS IN MANY CONSTITUENCIES WITH INDIRECT BLESSINGS FROM THEIR BELOVED LEADER. WHETHER IT IS TRUE?

Independent contestant brought his entire deposit amount of Rs 10,000 as denominations of 1,2,5 Rs coins for filing nominations to signify honesty


http://epaper.dinamani.com/epaperimages/2232011/22032011-cni-mn-11/32744125.JPG

அவர் நாணயம் மிக்கவர் மட்டுமல்ல. நாநயம் உடையவர் கூட.

Guys, This discussion about TV's, GDP will never end. bottomline is that TN people are reduced to lazy beggars and the day is not far off when we will be the sick man of South India. Already, national news channels are making fun of our political culture of sleaze, corruption, nepotism, murder etc. All our citizens should be sent on paid trips to neighbouring states to see the new airports, expressways etc. that are being built. This will be a better investment than grinder, mixie etc.

^^
Instead of giving freebies ,they should give jobs so that they can buy on their own,govenment can sell tv,fridge etc through gov retails at low cost.It makes people to work and also a revenue of tn govn

Guys, This discussion about TV's, GDP will never end. bottomline is that TN people are reduced to lazy beggars and the day is not far off when we will be the sick man of South India. Already, national news channels are making fun of our political culture of sleaze, corruption, nepotism, murder etc. All our citizens should be sent on paid trips to neighbouring states to see the new airports, expressways etc. that are being built. This will be a better investment than grinder, mixie etc.

I was opposed to freebies at the beginning. Seeing how hell bent the parties are in including them in their manifestos I just want a slight change in their approach - Create a savings account in the name of a family member of a below poverty/close to poverty household. Part of the money from the 100 day work scheme should be diverted into the account. This money can be explicitly stated to be used either for a Mixie or a grinder or whatever populist scheme thatha/amma think of. The govt can achieve several targets - Inculcate an attitude for savings, reduce state debt, increased consumtion in the long run, qualitative and quantitative changes in the state, etc.

Already, national news channels are making fun of our political culture of sleaze, corruption, nepotism, murder etc.

Nationwide everyone should look up towards TN. Let us lose this attitude of constantly needing a pat on the back from the "National news"(There is nothing national about news in India- on these channels I don't hear news from every state).

All our citizens should be sent on paid trips to neighbouring states to see the new airports, expressways etc. that are being built. This will be a better investment than grinder, mixie etc.

In my opinion that is a wrong perception. There should be a degree of material consumption that indicates economic development. If we are left with good airports and roads but live in mud huts, we can't be called a developed country. While roads are essential for the country as a whole, these days electrical appliances are essential within individual households.

Yes! material consumption is indeed necessary. Though I am not a fan of freebie culture, I feel giving out mixies and grinders is quite decent as it would really help the women folk rather than TVs where they would sit infront of them watching serials!

Nationwide everyone should look up towards TN. Let us lose this attitude of constantly needing a pat on the back from the "National news"(There is nothing national about news in India- on these channels I don't hear news from every state).

Very true. There is no Indian news channel. The existing ones are mostly biased towards a set of states and we shouldn't care about them.

just as people of karnataka want to be in the news for IT, BT, etc. and not always to be only heard about whenever Gowda or Yeddy commits a scam, I want TN to be in the news for achievements and not because of its sleazy politicans or freebies/bribes during elections. I am not craving for a pat on the back!

Yes! material consumption is indeed necessary. Though I am not a fan of freebie culture, I feel giving out mixies and grinders is quite decent as it would really help the women folk rather than TVs where they would sit infront of them watching serials!

Any freebie can be justified in this manner. When TV's were distributed, it was to "educate the people". Number of TV's distributed/planned was 1.75 crores. If you take 4 people/family, nearly everyone in TN got a free TV. Does that mean our entire state is poor?

Coming back to mixie/grinder, this will invariably be sold back to touts who hang around the distribution center for half-price. If you have not noticed lately, most families, rich or poor use readymade idly/dosa mix these days rather than making it from scratch.

It is the duty of every educated person to oppose these rather than trying to justify spending of taxpayer money to elect criminals who promise sops like these or buy votes with 500Rs. Hope you got my point.

I was thinking that most of these freebies were amounting as pure bribe and then i stumbled upon this (http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=228904)..

Effects on poverty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state


Main article: Welfare's effect on poverty

Empirical evidence suggests that taxes and transfers considerably reduce poverty in most countries, whose welfare states commonly constitute at least a fifth of GDP.[19][20] The information shows that many "welfare states" would have higher poverty rates than a "non-welfare state" such as the U.S. before the transfer of wealth; an example would be Sweden that has a 23.7% poverty rate pre-transfer while the U.S. has a 21% poverty rate pre-transfer.

Please check out the table in Wiki that shows the variations/reductions on the poverty.

Guys!,

First my mind was amused, then bored and ended up as a waste paper basket.

With little knowledge I have, I have stopped believing in all these number crunching business.

From the same data, one party will say growth and the opposition will say negative growth.

Govts, Banks & FIIs have found this method convenient to manipulate the data and come out with reports which favour their view points.

If all the citizens of our country get opportunity to work & earn, are able to afford Food,a Place to live and dress, then that is more than fantastic GDP growth - as advertised by the parties or so called economists.

Whichever Party gives that, they deserve votes.

Please do not spoil Arattai Arangam, which used to help venting off our stress by witty postings.

Effects on poverty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state


Main article: Welfare's effect on poverty

Empirical evidence suggests that taxes and transfers considerably reduce poverty in most countries, whose welfare states commonly constitute at least a fifth of GDP.[19][20] The information shows that many "welfare states" would have higher poverty rates than a "non-welfare state" such as the U.S. before the transfer of wealth; an example would be Sweden that has a 23.7% poverty rate pre-transfer while the U.S. has a 21% poverty rate pre-transfer.

Please check out the table in Wiki that shows the variations/reductions on the poverty.

One more important factor often over looked is the per capita Natural resources. Countries like US has that in plenty, it acts as a cornucopia and subsidizes a lot of inefficiencies and acts as a cushion even without state sponsored welfare.

Countries like India with its huge population and scarce per capita natural resource has to rely on State sponsored programs for even (:ohno:) distribution of wealth. Whether the poor deserves it or not is a different story, and the rich need not do it as an act of philanthropy but as a cost of their security. If the poor gets poorer they would be forced to take law on their own hands and the rich cannot live peacefully.

Mixie/Grinder would definitely enhance their standard of life.

^^
Instead of giving freebies ,they should give jobs so that they can buy on their own,govenment can sell tv,fridge etc through gov retails at low cost.It makes people to work and also a revenue of tn govn

but didn't TN generate largest/second largest(?) number of jobs among all the states last year or so?

Faulty understanding and highly simplified. So why dont the govt give Roll Royce to everyone? GDP will simply shoot up.

Let us google it before making up some comments...

http://tinyurl.com/47mxjk4


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending


United States Federal, State,and Local Government Spending
Fiscal Year 2006 [3]
Function Amount(billion) Percent GDP

$4,704.1 36.1

Spending by major government function
Pensions $747.1 5.7
Health Care $783.8 6.0
Education $900.8 6.9
Defense $622.2 4.8
Welfare $411.4 3.2
Interest $312.3 2.4

but didn't TN generate largest/second largest(?) number of jobs among all the states last year or so?

These facts dont stay in people's mind like TVs and grinders do.

Contd from TN Economy................

That is absolutely correct, look at Chennai it got developed in all of the DMK tenures. This time even Madurai and Trichy got more government doles than kovai.


First of all I don't believe that voting for a particular party (either DMK or ADMK) brings development to any city in current scenario. Even if I hypothetically agree to your arguement answer the one below..

Irrespective of whoever individual cities vote for, the government that is eventually formed is called as "Government of Tamilnadu". In a democracy what kind of government it is, if it chooses and picks not to develop the areas that has not voted for those running the government? Doesn't it defeat the very purpose of democracy and show the leader who takes oath to do good for the state in a poor light.

Where will you end this arguement? Assume that a ruling government gets 99 out of 100 votes in the state, if the lonely person who didn't vote with the majority suffers with hmmm let's say getting a water connection, are you saying that it's okay for the government to let him suffer and he deserves it because he didn't vote for majority?

but didn't TN generate largest/second largest(?) number of jobs among all the states last year or so?

Absolute BS :)

These facts dont stay in people's mind like TVs and grinders do.

The last time I visited Chennai I was shocked. Few years back if a Tamilian is educated he/she has to go to Mumbai/Delhi for jobs, now I saw lot of Biharis/Nepalise in Chennai. Industrialist says that there is not enough labor force in TN so they have to work with agents to get the labor force from these states/countries.

What an achievement it is for TN economy, If you close your mind you cannot see it :bash:

The last time I visited Chennai I was shocked. Few years back if a Tamilian is educated he/she has to go to Mumbai/Delhi for jobs, now I saw lot of Biharis/Nepalise in Chennai. Industrialist says that there is not enough labor force in TN so they have to work with agents to get the labor force from these states/countries.

What an achievement it is for TN economy, If you close your mind you cannot see it :bash:

Biharis and Nepalis comes to Chennai whereas workforce in TN goes to far east and middle east. Industrialist say so because they are extracting more work from immigrant laborers than from natives.

^^ You nailed it!! The psycology to extract work (especially from unskilled labors) is to hire immigrants.

Ok folks, time to have some break!!

Azhagiri is Sachin, Stalin is Sehwag says Vadivelu (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2011/03/22-alagiri-sachin-stalin-sehwag-says-vadivelu-aid0136.html)

Let us google it before making up some comments...

http://tinyurl.com/47mxjk4


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending


United States Federal, State,and Local Government Spending
Fiscal Year 2006 [3]
Function Amount(billion) Percent GDP

$4,704.1 36.1

Spending by major government function
Pensions $747.1 5.7
Health Care $783.8 6.0
Education $900.8 6.9
Defense $622.2 4.8
Welfare $411.4 3.2
Interest $312.3 2.4

I hope you are not one of those arm chair researchers. I have lived in US for over a decade now.

The last election in US was a massive failure because the public perception was government was giving wasteful expenditure.. aka PORK spending in US.. Read as freebies.

Even this issue is likely to loom large for the 2012 US elections.. could be make or break for Obama. The US model definitely works on active contributing, even the social security which is not a freebie.

It may be wise to limit the context to only TN or India, as comparisons fail after awhile, for eg, there is no quota in US.. you could be sued if someone discriminated you based on anything.. In India in the name of votes, government itself encourages caste quota (Whether that is correct or not is another topic.. but the fact is you cannot compare US schemes with TN freebies)

Also FYI, in spite of decades of these programs, there are millions in BPL in US.

Ok folks, time to have some break!!

Azhagiri is Sachin, Stalin is Sehwag says Vadivelu (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2011/03/22-alagiri-sachin-stalin-sehwag-says-vadivelu-aid0136.html)

IF Vadivelu is the superstar (in our nightmares), Senthil is Ulaga nayagan ;)

Guys!,

First my mind was amused, then bored and ended up as a waste paper basket.

With little knowledge I have, I have stopped believing in all these number crunching business.

From the same data, one party will say growth and the opposition will say negative growth.

Govts, Banks & FIIs have found this method convenient to manipulate the data and come out with reports which favour their view points.

If all the citizens of our country get opportunity to work & earn, are able to afford Food,a Place to live and dress, then that is more than fantastic GDP growth - as advertised by the parties or so called economists.

Whichever Party gives that, they deserve votes.

Please do not spoil Arattai Arangam, which used to help venting off our stress by witty postings.

My Statistics professor quoted "There are lies, damn lies and statistics". So what you said is true. Data can be conveniently interpreted.

ஐயோ! ஐயோ!! ஐயய்யோ!!!

சீனத்தமிழ் பாடகி

she is damn serious in singing this in chinese folk style... :lol:

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CDsQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fvideo%2Fvideo.php%3Fv%3D1450789488579%26oid%3D115109758557124%26comments&rct=j&q=%E0%AE%90%E0%AE%AF%E0%AF%8B!%20%E0%AE%90%E0%AE%AF%E0%AF%8B!!%20%E0%AE%90%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AF%E0%AF%8B!!!&ei=8sWITaiCOcnYrQf-zPnSDg&usg=AFQjCNFL1kBYvNpt55AchdoZtpzLR5U7mg&sig2=fddQS5QiThdf43jCW0kkqA&cad=rja

Ok folks, time to have some break!!

Azhagiri is Sachin, Stalin is Sehwag says Vadivelu (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2011/03/22-alagiri-sachin-stalin-sehwag-says-vadivelu-aid0136.html)

Red giant and Clound nine will take a tamil movie with Vadivelu as hero... he should not worry. :nuts:

The companies from Taiwan have invested $1 billion in five states- Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Delhi, Gujarat and Andhra Pradesh. Tamil Nadu has the maximum share of Taiwan's investment. Top Taiwanese firms including electronics maker Foxcom and Apache, an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) for Adidas shoes have invested $387 million in Tamil Nadu.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/taiwan-keen-to-invest-in-orissa/429406/

^^ To counter Vadivelu, ADMK trying to rope (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/heroes/2011/03/actor-vivek-campaign-admk-aid0128.html)in Vivek.

Makkala partha ivangalukku ellam comedy-a pochi..

^^ To compensate Vaiko I guess.

@Arul Murugan,

You are wishing Congress to get zero, but there is a possibility that they will be part of the next coalition Govt. Atleast few DMK jalra MLAs will get some dummy ministries.

^^ To counter Vadivelu, ADMK trying to rope (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/heroes/2011/03/actor-vivek-campaign-admk-aid0128.html)in Vivek.

Makkala partha ivangalukku ellam comedy-a pochi..

Isnt Vivek a DMK jalra, for which he was rewarded with some Padma xxxx award.

^^ C'mon how long have you been following politics? When did it become uncommon for people to cross-over? Even I'll go and vote and campaign for DMK (even in this election) if my extended manifesto **wish lists** are met :lol:

@Arul Murugan,

You are wishing Congress to get zero, but there is a possibility that they will be part of the next coalition Govt. Atleast few DMK jalra MLAs will get some dummy ministries.

That will be a sad part of TN history. It will end up with ADMK death and DMK vote share further shrinking and also back to imposition/nationalism concept during congress's Nehru's period.:ohno:

Atleast it should end up with DMK+PMK+VCK rule rather than DMK+INC.

That will be a sad part of TN history. It will end up with ADMK death and DMK vote share further shrinking and also back to imposition/nationalism concept during congress's Nehru's period.:ohno:

Atleast it should end up with DMK+PMK+VCK rule rather than DMK+INC.

If they try to impose, it will keep them away from power for another 40 years.

also back to imposition/nationalism concept during congress's Nehru's period.:ohno:


Why is nationalism concept bad?

^^ C'mon how long have you been following politics? When did it become uncommon for people to cross-over? Even I'll go and vote and campaign for DMK (even in this election) if my extended manifesto **wish lists** are met :lol:

You are right. Btw, I have known politics since the mid 80s. I showed my first interest in election/politics when I was studying 2nd standard in Coonoor. :)

Atleast it should end up with DMK+PMK+VCK rule rather than DMK+INC.
Can you elaborate on reasons for antipathy twoards INC? . Spare it if it leads back to language imposition.
PMK is the worst party for any growth for the city or industry in TN. ( Satellite city, Titanium mining, AAI controlled Chennai airport).

^^ Did you go to boarding school? If so which one?

PMK is the worst party for any growth for the city or industry in TN. ( Satellite city, Titanium mining, AAI controlled Chennai airport).

Publicity and did not get proper share... what to do?

^^ Did you go to boarding school? If so which one?

I was a days scholar at Stanes.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/wage-inequality-in-india/765924/0

As consumption expenditure or purchasing power is largely a function of household or individual income, wages are considered to be a robust indicator of the livelihood status of the population. Although, in a general neo-classical framework, wages are determined by the demand and supply of labour, developing economies are largely characterised by labour market dualism (Heckman and Hotz, 1986) and strong entry barriers across different segments of the labour market (Karan and Selvaraj, 2008). This dualism presumes the existence of two distinct sectors of economic activity, typically classified as the organised and unorganised sectors. While the organised sector generally offers more regular, stable and higher paid employment, the unorganised sector, on the other hand, is associated with irregular, unstable and low paid jobs.

In India, labour market dualism has been widely documented (Sen, 1994; Tendulkar, 2003; Das, 2003) with wages varying across different segments of the labour market (Sen, 1998). The explanations provided to account for the wage differential range from institutional factors, such as changes in government policy, to supply-side factors, such as demographic shifts, to demand-side factors, such as changes in the demand for skilled labour (Machin, 2002).

Using NSS data from the employment and unemployment surveys, we examine the wage structure for three categories, namely, rural and urban labour and salaried wage employment. The 61st (2004-05) and 64th (2007-08) NSS rounds coincide with the high growth phase, with India achieving a spectacular 9% growth rate.

On exploring the growth in wages across the three categories over the years, we find that wages of the lowest deciles in the rural labour category grew at a much faster pace than that of the top deciles. The same holds true for other categories as well. However, in most unorganised labour markets, wages are not indexed to the cost of living. As a result, a high rate of inflation acts as a tax, thus lowering the consumption expenditure (Datt and Ravallion, 1998a, 1998b). The authors have thus estimated the state-wise real wage growth rates for the above mentioned three categories.

In the rural labour category, real wages grew at the fastest pace in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu, in line with the expansion of the farm sector (with the exception of Kerala). The relationship between real wages and poverty reduction is further underscored, as all these states also witnessed the sharpest reductions in rural poverty. On the other hand, states such as Rajasthan, Bihar and Chhattisgarh, which reported a marginal increase in real wages, witnessed lower poverty reductions in rural areas. In the urban labour category, real wages grew at the fastest pace in Jharkhand, Andhra Pradesh and Haryana, in line with the spectacular expansion of the non-farm sector. All these states reported sharp reductions in urban poverty. In Orissa and Rajasthan, a higher growth in real wages for urban labour translated into a larger decline in urban poverty estimates.

Although real rural wages grew at a faster pace in both MP and West Bengal, poverty reduction was more uniform only in West Bengal, while it was concentrated more in rural MP.

In the salaried employment category, Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka reported the largest increase in real wages. Jharkhand, in addition to witnessing a spectacular rise in urban labour wages, reported a rise of 7.8% in the salaried employment category. It is interesting to note that even with high growth in the non-farm sector, real wages actually fell in Delhi, Punjab and Uttaranchal.

Although, as mentioned above, wages of the lowest deciles grew at a faster pace than those of the top decile, in absolute terms wages received by individuals in the lowest deciles are significantly lower than the wages received by individuals in the top decile. There are several factors that are responsible for this, ranging from education attained, industry of occupation, location, etc. Given the sharp differences in wages, the authors have estimated wage inequality for the above mentioned categories. For each category, total inequality has been estimated using the general entropy class of inequality measures and then using states as the sub-groups, this total inequality has been decomposed into between-group and within-group, to study which states have witnessed a rise in the categories and which have not.

In the ‘urban salaried employment’ category, inequality at the all-India level has been more or less stagnant. On the other hand, in the labour category, inequality based on wages received by both rural and urban labour actually witnessed a decline. Interestingly, the fall in inequality in both rural and urban areas is roughly the same. However, this ‘fall’ conceals the heterogeneity in the direction of inequality in the categories at the state level. For example in the ‘rural labour’ category, inequality rose in Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Bihar, Karnataka and Assam. In the ‘urban labour’ category, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Chandigarh, Delhi, Jharkhand, Orissa, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka reported sharp increases in inequality. In the ‘urban salaried employment’ category as well, inequality has sharply increased in Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Maharashtra and Karnataka.

While the period from 2004-05 to 2007-08 has seen a considerable reduction in poverty, it has also witnessed a widening of rural-urban per capita expenditure disparities. At the state level, consumption based inequality has, in fact, risen in quite a few states. Additionally, wage-based inequality has also revealed major inter-state imbalances, with inequality actually worsening in many states. While it can be argued that development does not start in every part of an economy at the same time and that it should be viewed as part of the growth process, the fact remains that it continues to widen even after two decades of reforms.

^^ My cousin did schooling there. I did mine from CBE stanes :)

If they try to impose, it will keep them away from power for another 40 years.

Like scientific corruption, congress is handling this move silently and not openly.

Came across these points in Orkuk tamilnadu politics community

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1965: Revolution, Now: 'Soft' revolution

Okay, this is going to be a long one and I’m going to regurgitate some old hindi imposition related stuff. If you don’t like this topic, hit the ‘back’ button.

I’m coming back from a long hiatus during which I observed few things and thought I’ll share them.

We believe that we have successfully chased away hindi imposition when in reality it is truly ‘on’ in a form I call ‘soft imposition’! Here’s how the little things add up to a friggin’ whole.

1) Keep telling every student getting educated in English medium schools in India that hindi is ‘the’ rashtrabhasha (national language).
2) Aviation ministry mandating that all flights operating in India make an announcement in hindi.
3) Railway ministry naming all new trains in hindi.
4) Sports ministry playing only bollywood numbers in national or international sporting events.
5) Home ministry shamelessly running a website like rajbhasha.nic.in, clearly a racist website that publicly declares that hindi should be the one and only language used by the central government thereby disadvantaging over 60% of Indian population.
6) Defence ministry putting non-Hindi-speaking people at a huge disadvantage to join the armed forces.
7) Central government run schools mandating that all students who choose a language other than hindi as their 2nd language also mandatorily choose 3rd language as hindi and for students who choose hindi as their 2nd language, making the study of 3rd language optional.
8) Make it easy for native hindi speakers to get into central government jobs by allowing them to interview (or) write tests in hindi.
9) All central government offices giving additional increments to people who know hindi, thereby preferring people from the BIMARU states and mandating that people from other states learn hindi. Note: This includes scientific organizations like ISRO and DRDO.
10) Speaker mandating that all cabinet ministers talk in hindi (or English) in the parliament.
11) Naming anything new in hindi – e.g., missiles, satellites, central government welfare schemes
12) I&B ministry mandating that more than 50% of all sports commentary in the ‘national’ channel be in hindi.
13) Calling a national television as DD ‘national’ and running only hindi programmes.
And there’s still a lot more. Most importantly, to do all the above, your and my tax money are being used.

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Congress gvt initiatives like

1. Common education for all schools in India
2. Common entrance exam for medical
3. Common entrance exam for engineering'

etc., are recent soft imposition being made on states autonomy. Since independence TN was the state to oppose such moves, but if it dravidian parties fails to have grip in the state gvt then sure we have face the heat in future.

Congress gvt initiatives like

1. Common education for all schools in India
2. Common entrance exam for medical
3. Common entrance exam for engineering'

etc., are recent soft imposition being made on states autonomy. Since independence TN was the state to oppose such moves, but if it dravidian parties fails to have grip in the state gvt then sure we have face the heat in future.

While I agree with your view on language issue, these points make sense IMO. Just like how you say no one should accept whatever CG throws at us without a debate, one shouldn't reject them without debating or considering the merits

While I agree with your view on language issue, these points make sense IMO. Just like how you say no one should accept whatever CG throws at us without a debate, one shouldn't reject them without debating or considering the merits

Even implementing one language through out the country have lot of merits, why did we reject it?

^^ Did you go to boarding school? If so which one?

Doon School! :lol:

Like scientific corruption, congress is handling this move silently and not openly.

Came across these points in Orkuk tamilnadu politics community

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1965: Revolution, Now: 'Soft' revolution

Okay, this is going to be a long one and I’m going to regurgitate some old hindi imposition related stuff. If you don’t like this topic, hit the ‘back’ button.

I’m coming back from a long hiatus during which I observed few things and thought I’ll share them.

We believe that we have successfully chased away hindi imposition when in reality it is truly ‘on’ in a form I call ‘soft imposition’! Here’s how the little things add up to a friggin’ whole.

1) Keep telling every student getting educated in English medium schools in India that hindi is ‘the’ rashtrabhasha (national language).
2) Aviation ministry mandating that all flights operating in India make an announcement in hindi.
3) Railway ministry naming all new trains in hindi.
4) Sports ministry playing only bollywood numbers in national or international sporting events.
5) Home ministry shamelessly running a website like rajbhasha.nic.in, clearly a racist website that publicly declares that hindi should be the one and only language used by the central government thereby disadvantaging over 60% of Indian population.
6) Defence ministry putting non-Hindi-speaking people at a huge disadvantage to join the armed forces.
7) Central government run schools mandating that all students who choose a language other than hindi as their 2nd language also mandatorily choose 3rd language as hindi and for students who choose hindi as their 2nd language, making the study of 3rd language optional.
8) Make it easy for native hindi speakers to get into central government jobs by allowing them to interview (or) write tests in hindi.
9) All central government offices giving additional increments to people who know hindi, thereby preferring people from the BIMARU states and mandating that people from other states learn hindi. Note: This includes scientific organizations like ISRO and DRDO.
10) Speaker mandating that all cabinet ministers talk in hindi (or English) in the parliament.
11) Naming anything new in hindi – e.g., missiles, satellites, central government welfare schemes
12) I&B ministry mandating that more than 50% of all sports commentary in the ‘national’ channel be in hindi.
13) Calling a national television as DD ‘national’ and running only hindi programmes.
And there’s still a lot more. Most importantly, to do all the above, your and my tax money are being used.

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Congress gvt initiatives like

1. Common education for all schools in India
2. Common entrance exam for medical
3. Common entrance exam for engineering'

etc., are recent soft imposition being made on states autonomy. Since independence TN was the state to oppose such moves, but if it dravidian parties fails to have grip in the state gvt then sure we have face the heat in future.

Funny, I was thinking about this while watching cricket in StarCricket. Half the ads were in Hindi. To your point it is not restricted to government run institutions. It seems there is a concerted effort to promote Hindi slyly. needle on a banana.

Even implementing one language through out the country have lot of merits, why did we reject it?

One language is a different issue than common entrance exam to ensure minimum standards of intake of students, else why insist on licensing exams for pilots either? Let a mahout fly the jumbo!

^^ Imposing or forcing a language on someone is different from common entrance test (except for students opting to do higher studies in regional languages). Why do you have to compare both?

Higher education in regional languages is utopian in India and I don't think that it will happen. (40 years of dravidian rule in TN didn't make it happen, so forget it happening in our generation). Considering that we have to choose English as medium of communication, if one single entrance test score is recogonized by universities in India it only benefits students. They don't have to keep writing multiple tests or paying various application / test fees

Can you elaborate on reasons for antipathy twoards INC? . Spare it if it leads back to language imposition.
PMK is the worst party for any growth for the city or industry in TN. ( Satellite city, Titanium mining, AAI controlled Chennai airport).

1. Eelam war 2. Poor leadership of TN INC (as said before even for opening a bathroom tap they need permission from New Delhi) 3. Their nationalism concept. (language policy, recent policy in education,)

1. Eelam war 2. Poor leadership of TN INC (as said before even for opening a bathroom tap they need permission from New Delhi) 3. Their nationalism concept. (language policy, recent policy in education,)

1. DMK also sat mute to the sufferings and Amma had zero concern about that issue and anything else for that matter.
2. Poor leadership is a great reason why they woudl make excellent coalition partner over Monkey wrench throwing PMK!
3. Language policy is a past issue and they know fully well its a non starter in TN.
Their education policy of requiring common entrance exam is commendable ensuring minimum standards of intake. DMK threw it out for vote bank politics which I believe is harmful and let anyone join the colleges and in the end will earn a bad reputation for the state for poor quality of students. Besides it makes the students lazy. What next? Throw all the exams out too? As said previously why do we insist on pilot exams also?

^^ Imposing or forcing a language on someone is different from common entrance test (except for students opting to do higher studies in regional languages). Why do you have to compare both?

Higher education in regional languages is utopian in India and I don't think that it will happen. (40 years of dravidian rule in TN didn't make it happen, so forget it happening in our generation). Considering that we have to choose English as medium of communication, if one single entrance test score is recogonized by universities in India it only benefits students. They don't have to keep writing multiple tests or paying various application / test fees

Entrance exam will be english and Hindi... then what lakhs of regional language medium will do?

Common entrance is just starting! Later common counceling, all col under central gvt control.. list will go endless.

India is like European union, education policy should be under the autonomy of state and not central gvt like chinese!

If CG wish to have entrance exam, let them first open enough col in each state and then conduct exam for those col and common counceling,, they should not poke the nose in state's education in the name of creating standard for education.

1. Eelam war 2. Poor leadership of TN INC (as said before even for opening a bathroom tap they need permission from New Delhi) 3. Their nationalism concept. (language policy, recent policy in education,)

1. Ealam war - Watching geonocide happen was really bad. But do you know that even within theoratical Ealam, language is not good enough to unite North and Eastern part of Tamil speaking population there? Karuna and his eastern counterparts are more guilty in this case than a foreign entity in India. (Even Prabakaran himself is equally guilty by not taking the eastern side and non-LTTE Tamil leaders into confidence)

2. Poor leadership of TN INC - Concept of nationalism is above party. What if a leader like Kamaraj emerge in future? Indha point moota poochiku bayanthu veeta koluthura kadhai

3. Agree with you on language policy, given my explanation for education already

Entrance exam will be english and Hindi... then what lakhs of regional language medium will do?


Entrance should be only in English. If CG tries to impose it then debate / vote and change it.

India is like European union, education policy should be under the autonomy of state and not central gvt like chinese!

Beats the purpose of constitution

1. DMK also sat mute to the sufferings and Amma had zero concern about that issue and anything else for that matter.
2. Poor leadership is a great reason why they woudl make excellent coalition partner over Monkey wrench throwing PMK!
3. Language policy is a past issue and they know fully well its a non starter in TN.
Their education policy of requiring common entrance exam is commendable ensuring minimum standards of intake. DMK threw it out for vote bank politics which I believe is harmful and let anyone join the colleges and in the end will earn a bad reputation for the state for poor quality of students. Besides it makes the students lazy. What next? Throw all the exams out too? As said previously why do we insist on pilot exams also?

1. If DMK or ADMK is not there, same thing will happen to TN in no time
2. Whats your point? You mean to say congress in TN have excellent leadership skills? :lol:
3. Read the 11-12points, language policy is not a past issue, still alive in dark room.

Congress is starting that already with 10th exam.. for votes they will do that later for 12th and entrance too.

Common entrance is not going to make any minimum standard for education, it will just make the things more complex and worsen the system like the great Indian railways. As i said common entrance is just a starting key, later CG will under take the univ, col from SG and implement what every they wish.

Entrance should be only in English. If CG tries to impose it then debate / vote and change it.
Beats the purpose of constitution

If you try to debate you will be detained under NSA for some useless reasons.

^^ When did that happen? Was TN not getting fair share under a nationalist Tamilian leadership of Kamaraj? (Ealam is a different issue here, detaining for that doesn't count)

^^ When did that happen? Was TN not getting fair share under a nationalist Tamilian leadership of Kamaraj? (Ealam is a different issue here, detaining for that doesn't count)

Kamaraj was a nationalist. The TN INC leaders these days are Soniaist or Rahulist.

Hindi will be my last reasons for not supporting INC.

They have long departed from the values which were the foundation of INC. As long as PMs and CMs remain chamchas of the Gandhi family.. (I strongly wish they could stop using Mahatma Gandhi's name)

There is no Gandhi nor patriotism in INC. They have failed miserably on foreign policies.. (take the last 20 years only.. or post Indira period). Corruption rampant and they have now perfected that to the levels of science.

If we are cribbing there is no alternative to Kazhagams in TN, magnify it a millionfold and worser.. when it comes to lack of alternative for INC (BJP can only dream of it.. their base is too narrow and no proper leadership)

INC has to really really cleanse a lot and get out of the shadows of one family rule, if at all it can impress me a bit.

Kamaraj was a nationalist. The TN INC leaders these days are Soniaist or Rahulist.

Check my reply to Arul. Concept of nationalism is above party. Just because current congress leaders are bad doesn't mean that concept of nationalism is bad. What if a good nationalist leader emerges from BJP or even from cong itself in future?

Forget about it. Rahul Gandhi will be next PM. MMS is just warming the seat for His Royal Highness.

Getting rid of Gandhi dynasty will need nationwide popular movement. I cannot see that happening. Indian public is too fragmented.

Forget about it. Rahul Gandhi will be next PM. MMS is just warming the seat for His Royal Highness.

Getting rid of Gandhi dynasty will need nationwide popular movement. I cannot see that happening. Indian public is too fragmented.

Well I was talking about TN congress leadership :)

Anyways Indira would have thought the exact same way during 1976. Rajiv would have thought sameway in late 80's (88-89). Look what happened. Rahul or Sonia are weakest of Gandhi oops Nehru family

Check my reply to Arul. Concept of nationalism is above party. Just because current congress leaders are bad doesn't mean that concept of nationalism is bad. What if a good nationalist leader emerges from BJP or even from cong itself in future?

It has a very remote possibility. When the state leadership is not able to select candidates how do you think someone would emerge?
Kamaraj never bowed to anyone. Saluting party leadership blindly is no nationalism.

Well I was talking about TN congress leadership :)

Anyways Indira would have thought the exact same way during 1976. Rajiv would have thought sameway in late 80's (88-89). Look what happened. Rahul or Sonia are weakest of Gandhi oops Nehru family

Well in case of Nehru and Gandhi (in spite of her shortcomings), they did lay the foundation for future growth. Although Nehruvian ideas were very arcane, even for his times in some aspects, it gave a foundation of sorts.

With Rajiv, the hope went out prematurely.

Sonia and Rahul, are only holding on using the past and they are not the only leaders. But you cannot be in congress if you are not worshipping them, so its back to default. I have nothing against them personally. I wish they would claim to the chair based on actual serving not because of family linkage.

India cannot afford a one family rule.. whats diff then from a Gadhafi or Saddam Hussein rule with a democracy label.

Marathaman, one thing could trigger that nationwide anger - INFLATION.. thanks to the weird inflationary policies...

Sonia and Rahul, are only holding on using the past and they are not the only leaders. ...

Exactly. That's why I said they are the weakest in the family. They lack leadership qualities like Nehru or IG. Worshipping will cease to exist if Rahul shows couple of results like Bihar. Ah well, I am little ambitious here, but it will ...

1. If DMK or ADMK is not there, same thing will happen to TN in no time
--> Do you see genocide happening in kerala,Karnataka,AP perpetrated by the Govt?
Lets shed irrational fears.

2. Whats your point? You mean to say congress in TN have excellent leadership skills? :lol:
--> Read again what I said, lack of leadership works out in favor of DMK.

3. Read the 11-12points, language policy is not a past issue, still alive in dark room.
--> Yes, and it will remain in their dark room. Not gonna happen in TN.


4.Common entrance is not going to make any minimum standard for education, it will just make the things more complex and worsen the system like the great Indian railways. As i said common entrance is just a starting key, later CG will under take the univ, col from SG and implement what every they wish.
--> Common entrance is a minimum standard for intake of students, not necessarily that of education. You did not answer my question: Would you fly where the pilots do not meet a standard bar set by the aviation body?
Hence you need common minimum standards, and the TN Govt lowered the bar.

Lets not live with irrational fears that CG will take over schools,road, theatres, garbage cans etc.. :lol


Answers inline..

Let us google it before making up some comments...



pfft. people dont understand simple common sense logic. I now understand why there are very few rich people in this world. Go through the previous 5 or so pages before teaching how to google (btw the site is nothing new and is more than 3 years old - there is nothing "cool" about it anymore).

Arul Murugan on his favourite topic :lol::lol:

1. Ealam war - Watching geonocide happen was really bad. But do you know that even within theoratical Ealam, language is not good enough to unite North and Eastern part of Tamil speaking population there? Karuna and his eastern counterparts are more guilty in this case than a foreign entity in India. (Even Prabakaran himself is equally guilty by not taking the eastern side and non-LTTE Tamil leaders into confidence)

Couldn't agree with you more!!!!
I would add Thatha also to that list.

Getting rid of Gandhi dynasty will need nationwide popular movement. I cannot see that happening. Indian public is too fragmented.
To be replaced with the Thackeray, Karunanidhi, Yeddyruppa, Gowda dynasties just like the kapoor,khans in bollywood and Ambanis, Premjis in publicly owned firms.
Lets face it nepotism runs wide and deep in India.

Second option would be NDA with Modi at helm which is far more dangerous for the nation and humanity at large.

Answers inline..

State Schools in Kerala, AP and Karnataka teach Hindi. Its not the case in TN.

Second option would be NDA with Modi at helm which is far more dangerous for the nation and humanity at large.


That's again your perception there. Everyone has their pet peeves :)

pfft. people dont understand simple common sense logic. I now understand why there are very few rich people in this world. Go through the previous 5 or so pages before teaching how to google (btw the site is nothing new and is more than 3 years old - there is nothing "cool" about it anymore).

Hey TShyam.. thats too common..

People fail to understand Google is a search engine.. not Research engine.

Many of them will even take a printout of how to do surgery.. be careful and dont volunteer ... :D

Even advanced sites like WebMD which offers medical info, should not be treated that way let alone google.

Most times we all fall victim to the fact we dont know what we dont.. but we still insist that we do know all.. Know it all person is more dangerous than the little knowledge person.

(Please I am talking only abt Google and the users whom believe using it as their primary research vehicle.. same holds true for wiki as well.. not posting related to the ppl referred by TShyam)

That's again your perception there. Everyone has their pet peeves :)
If anyone had seen the riots in Gujarat that he let loose, he/she would soon wake up and smell coffee, unless he/she tacitly supports or wants to turn a blind eye to that genocide.

^^ You can't seperate Godhra and violence. Modi can't be accused of triggering or running the genocide. Even Congress Bureau of Investigation couldn't prove it despite trying hard.

He could be accused of not foreseeing it and for not protecting his own citizens that includes Hindus. But hey how about the genocide of Sikhs at Delhi? Are you not accepting congress despite that? Remember what Rajiv commented after those deaths? Atleast Modi didn't make such irresponsible comments.

If anyone had seen the riots in Gujarat that he let loose, he/she would soon wake up and smell coffee, unless he/she tacitly supports or wants to turn a blind eye to that genocide.

Riots and in some cases, outright massacre of Sikhs took place in Delhi after Indira was killed in 1984. At the time, Congress was at the helm of affairs in the Centre. Same case with Mumbai riots (Cong was in power in the centre and MH state). This didn't stop people from voting for the party. BJP in Gujarat is starting to get Muslim and Christian votes in recent local elections. So clearly, even they want to move and reward Modi for his performance (which is not to say cases against rioters (be they Hindu or Muslim) should not be pursued or justice should be denied). I just think many Indians now are sick of this topic to the point that they have become desensitized to it.

Another important point, the Special Investigation Team (SIT), appointed by Supreme Court has cleared Modi (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-12-03/india/28229475_1_zakia-jafri-post-godhra-riots-mp-ahesan-jafri#ixzz1721JAJuI) of the charge that he failed to stop the riots.

^^ You can't seperate Godhra and violence. Modi can't be accused of triggering or running the genocide. Even Congress Bureau of Investigation couldn't prove it despite trying hard.
Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

Besides we all are grown ups and not fresh out of the woods to not to know how things operate in India.

^^ You can't seperate Godhra and violence. Modi can't be accused of triggering or running the genocide. Even Congress Bureau of Investigation couldn't prove it despite trying hard.

He could be accused of not foreseeing it and for not protecting his own citizens that includes Hindus. But hey how about the genocide of Sikhs at Delhi? Are you not accepting congress despite that? Remember what Rajiv commented after those deaths? Atleast Modi didn't make such irresponsible comments.

Delhi riots are genocide and Gujrat riots are effect of Godhra? nice.

Have you seen the tehlka tapes? why has he not apologised for the riots? you can read independent sources which tell the story of the victims on how the police stood as spectators when innocent people were being brutally killed and raped. These riots were highly organised with the victims houses marked out and voting lists were used. The police who by many victims was accused was placed incharge of the investigation. fair is it? why did the state government initially give less to the people who perished in riots and more to those who died in the godhra train fire? The state government blocked the media channels with the excuse that they'll aggravate the situation then why did not do the same in Godhra case? Why were their so many hurdles being created for Ehsan Jafri's wife to file an FIR? Jafri himself called the Chief Minister to send some help? yet no police help arrived for 5 hours when the police station is barely a kilometre away from the Gulbarg society and the police commisoner's office was 2km away.

It is not the first time that these so called hindutva organisations have planned a riot or have made it worse. Modi like the a judge said: acted like Nero while Rome was burning. It would be a shame if he ever becomes becomes the PM.

^^ Modi definitely should have apologized for his administration's in-efficiency to control the violence (That includes both Godhra and post-godhra). In-fact, I for one think that he should have used the opportunity on TV interview with Karan Thappar (devil's advocate) to set records straight.

Having said that in what way his inability is different from that of Congress's inability allowing Hindus to be killed in MH, triggering Sikh genocide, Karunanidhi's moral responsibility for CBE blasts etc., MK went a step ahead and summoned Rajinikant from abroad and made him issue a statement that those works were not done by Muslims. Also why did the congress try to manipulate the Godhra incident as accident? I am yet to see a secularist in this forum or media question them. You have no qualms or shame whatsover to accept them as our PM's and CM's but are ashamed when it comes to Modi.

Everyone knows how investigation happens in India. Atleast he made a point to sit in front of SIT team formed by Congress government. Have the leaders you claim secular faced investigation? Why is it that a minority life more valuable for you folks than a life of a Hindu? Why not treat everyone same?

The reason I said Delhi issue is genocide is because of irresponsible statement from then Cong leader and PM Rajiv

^^ MK was defeated badly in the elections that followed and the perpetrators were hunted down. Those who caused the carnage and the ones who tried to divert people from real issues were punished. Thats not the case in Gujarat.

^^ MK was defeated badly in the elections that followed and the perpetrators were hunted down. Those who caused the carnage and the ones who tried to divert people from real issues were punished. Thats not the case in Gujarat.


Madhani turned politician now and went on to do his next assignments

Was Madhani hunted down?

Where is he now? Is he functioning the way he was 15 years back?

He got acquitted and was active as recent as last year before being caught again (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-08-17/india/28309276_1_madani-soofiya-anwarassery)

^^ Modi definitely should have apologized for his administration's in-efficiency to control the violence (That includes both Godhra and post-godhra). In-fact, I for one think that he should have used the opportunity on TV interview with Karan Thappar (devil's advocate) to set records straight.

As it stands, He has not.

Having said that in what way his inability is different from that of Congress's inability allowing Hindus to be killed in MH, triggering Sikh genocide, Karunanidhi's moral responsibility for CBE blasts etc., I am yet to see a secularist in this forum or media question them. You have no qualms or shame whatsover to accept them as our PM's and CM's but are ashamed when it comes to Modi.


I'm sorry but it seems as if you've been selective reading/listening. There was a huge uproar when the whole issue of Jagdish Tytler happened. In fact if people were trying to hide things then we would not have had the detailed description of events that we have And do remember the independent media was in it's infancy but despite that we have detailed accounts. In my eyes both the Gujrat riots and the anti sikh riots are on the same scale as ultimately innocent people were killed.

Everyone knows how investigation happens in India. Atleast he made a point to sit in front of SIT team formed by Congress government.

LOL you say it as it's a favour. He very well knows the impact it would have had if he had refused.

Have the leaders you claim secular faced investigation? Why is it that a minority life more valuable for you folks than a life of a Hindu? Why not treat everyone same?

Jagdish Tytler, Sajjan Singh etc were all investigated. I don't know where you got the minority/hindu life thing but certainly not by belief.

The reason I said Delhi issue is genocide is because of irresponsible statement from then Cong leader and PM Rajiv

The statement was made after the riots on the birth anniversary of Indira Gandhi. While the meaning is disputed in my personal opinion it certainly was an irresponsible statement. However, your use of this to say that the sikh riots were genocide and gujrat riots weren't is just childish. Ultimately human life suffered brutally at the hands of mobs. Your argument can also be used to question Modi's silence and no apology on this issue or why Ehsan Jafri didn't receive help.

He got acquitted and was active as recent as last year before being caught again (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-08-17/india/28309276_1_madani-soofiya-anwarassery)

At least the bomb-makers were killed within hours after the incident. Those who were behind the blasts were suppressed. Nothing close to this happened in Gujarat.

Riots are cowardly act that targets innocent civilians. Rioters are cowards that cannot fight the real problem but vent that out on someone who cannot fight back.

In my eyes both the Gujrat riots and the anti sikh riots are on the same scale as ultimately innocent people were killed.


While the meaning is disputed in my personal opinion it certainly was an irresponsible statement.

:applause:

Glad that someone said this. (You could have mentioned MH government too :lol:). We have discussed this issue several times and first time I am meeting a forumer who is questioning both sides. All others only tried to defend psuedo-secularists while questioning the other side. National media never did that when it comes to high profile so-called secular leaders like Rajiv, Sonia or Mu.Ka.

With respect to standing on trial, I am yet to see top-brass of congress or secularists on investigation for in-action in case of violence against Hindus or Sikhs. Rajiv or MK could be directly held accountable for creating a stage and letting loose comments (either on their own or thru some mouth piece) just like your arguement for Modi. Whether you agree or not national media sees them as above law and don't think that they are questionable. Now that status got transferred to the queen and her crown price.

At least the bomb-makers were killed within hours after the incident. Those who were behind the blasts were suppressed. Nothing close to this happened in Gujarat.

Well action were taken against Amit Shah and Col. Prohit too. We are talking about capability of government to quell violence. It's clearly absent on both sides. So I still don't get the reason why people can't make big deal out of it on both sides

:applause:

National media never did that when it comes to high profile so-called secular leaders like Rajiv, Sonia or Mu.Ka.

With respect to standing on trial, I am yet to see top-brass of congress or secularists on investigation for in-action in case of violence against Hindus or Sikhs. Rajiv or MK could be directly held accountable for creating a stage and letting loose comments (either on their own or thru some mouth piece) just like your arguement for Modi. Whether you agree or not national media sees them as above law and don't think that they are questionable. Now that status got transferred to the queen and her crown price.

Hey kongu,

The Nanavati Commission, established in 2000 under the NDA regime: The commission's report also cleared Rajiv Gandhi and other high ranking Congress (I) party members of any involvement in organising riots against Sikhs.

Well action were taken against Amit Shah and Col. Prohit too. We are talking about capability of government to quell violence. It's clearly absent on both sides. So I still don't get the reason why people can't make big deal out of it on both sides

We are talking much much more than mere inability to control spontaneous violence. The issue is about planned one esp by the ones who are supposed to protect others. In case of Modi, there are IPS officers testifying Modi's involvement in denying resources, just like there is ample proof of Sajjan Kumars involvement.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/7767684.cms

India is all set to roll out the five-in-one vaccine shot in two states soon. The Union health ministry officials told Bill and Melinda Gates on Tuesday that the long awaited pentavalent vaccine would be rolled out as a pilot project in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Both these states have high routine immunization coverage rate.

Bill Gates is, however, keen for the introduction of the pentavalent vaccine across five states. He offered $110 million to fund the project. However, the ministry officials explained it to him that the roll-out has to be staggered due to the coming assembly polls.

Officials told TOI that "introducing the pentavalent vaccine is under our active consideration. We are ready to roll it out in two states".

The Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation (GAVI) is believed to be funding the pilot studies.

""தி.மு.க.,வுல தான் ஓய்... திரும்பவும் ஆட்சிக்கு வந்துட்டா, யார், யாரை எந்தெந்த துறைக்கு அமைச்சரா நியமிக்கலாம்னு, ஒரு பட்டியலை தயாரிச்சிருக்கா... மின்துறை அமைச்சர் துரைமுருகன், நெடுஞ்சாலைக்கு பொன்முடி, போக்குவரத்துக்கு முத்துசாமி, வீட்டுவசதி துறைக்கு அனிதா ராதாகிருஷ்ணன், தொழிலாளர் நலத்துறைக்கு பொன்குமார், சட்டத் துறைக்கு அசன் அலி ஜின்னா, ஊரக வளர்ச்சிக்கு சாத்தூர் ராமச்சந்திரன், பொதுப்பணிக்கு தங்கம் தென்னரசுன்னு பட்டியல் நீண்டுண்டே போறது...

""இதுல என்ன விசேஷம்ன்னா, இப்பவே ஒவ்வொரு துறையிலயும் பி.ஏ., பதவிகளை பிடிக்க, துணை முதல்வர் அலுவலகத்தை மொய்க்க ஆரம்பிச்சுட்டா ஓய்...''

From Tea Kadai Bench Dinamalar (http://www.dinamalar.com/splpart_detail.asp?Id=91)

பருத்தி விளையும் முன்னே பொண்டாட்டிக்கு 16 முழம் சேலை நெய்யனும் னு சொன்னானாம்

Election comedy continues, fasting drama for trivial things


http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2011/03/22/20110322a_002107014.jpg

Nakkalu (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/03/22/karunanidhi-call-abandoned-soldiers-aid0091.html)

விடுபட்டோர்- விரட்டப்பட்டோர்- துரத்தப்பட்டோர்- விலை போகாது வெங்குருதி தனிற் கமழ்ந்த எங்கள் வீர மூச்சு- தமிழ் மூச்சு எனத் தடந்தோள் தட்டி வந்திடுவீர்

இந்த "election" ரணகலத்துளையும் "music" release function by kalaingar

http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2011/03/22/20110322d_016107002.jpg

http://epaper.dinamani.com/epaperimages/2332011/23032011-cni-mn-07/32228140.JPG

Sarathbabu on Mar 17th tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/FoodkingSarath)that he is going to contest from Velachery. Looking at DMDK list (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/03/22/vijayakanth-shifts-from-vridachalam-aid0091.html), I don't see his name or his constituency listed. Any idea? I seriously hope that there is a typo or error in this list :)

^^
He has resigned citing unethical practices by DMDK. Now, he is contesting as independent. And I think ADMK and not DMDK is contesting from Velacherry.

^^ Arasiyallukku vanthuttu ethics and etiquette ellam yethirparthaa mudiyuma :lol: may be once he wins being independent, then he can get some respect from parties after/next election.

^^ Arasiyallukku vanthuttu ethics and etiquette ellam yethirparthaa mudiyuma :lol: may be once he wins being independent, then he can get some respect from parties after/next election.

We should respect his decision atleast he is personification of change that is going to sweep tamilnadu politics in near future.

Only My request to him to change the system one should be with in the system. He should not get frustrated and loose the track. Let us see what would be % of people voting for him in velacherry.

Opps the political debate has spoiled the fun of TN Arratai Arangam thread.. Though this is a old mail, i am sharing here...

Tamilnadu students rocks...:lol:

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TASMAC revenue contribution from 19% will jump for sure in future... :cheers::lol:

http://savukku.net/images/stories/23_March_2011/32536265.jpg

^^
He has resigned citing unethical practices by DMDK. Now, he is contesting as independent. And I think ADMK and not DMDK is contesting from Velacherry.

ROFL

For the next parliamentary elections he will probably join BJP

Like scientific corruption, congress is handling this move silently and not openly.

Came across these points in Orkuk tamilnadu politics community

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1965: Revolution, Now: 'Soft' revolution

Okay, this is going to be a long one and I’m going to regurgitate some old hindi imposition related stuff. If you don’t like this topic, hit the ‘back’ button.

I’m coming back from a long hiatus during which I observed few things and thought I’ll share them.

We believe that we have successfully chased away hindi imposition when in reality it is truly ‘on’ in a form I call ‘soft imposition’! Here’s how the little things add up to a friggin’ whole.

1) Keep telling every student getting educated in English medium schools in India that hindi is ‘the’ rashtrabhasha (national language).
2) Aviation ministry mandating that all flights operating in India make an announcement in hindi.
3) Railway ministry naming all new trains in hindi.
4) Sports ministry playing only bollywood numbers in national or international sporting events.
5) Home ministry shamelessly running a website like rajbhasha.nic.in, clearly a racist website that publicly declares that hindi should be the one and only language used by the central government thereby disadvantaging over 60% of Indian population.
6) Defence ministry putting non-Hindi-speaking people at a huge disadvantage to join the armed forces.
7) Central government run schools mandating that all students who choose a language other than hindi as their 2nd language also mandatorily choose 3rd language as hindi and for students who choose hindi as their 2nd language, making the study of 3rd language optional.
8) Make it easy for native hindi speakers to get into central government jobs by allowing them to interview (or) write tests in hindi.
9) All central government offices giving additional increments to people who know hindi, thereby preferring people from the BIMARU states and mandating that people from other states learn hindi. Note: This includes scientific organizations like ISRO and DRDO.
10) Speaker mandating that all cabinet ministers talk in hindi (or English) in the parliament.
11) Naming anything new in hindi – e.g., missiles, satellites, central government welfare schemes
12) I&B ministry mandating that more than 50% of all sports commentary in the ‘national’ channel be in hindi.
13) Calling a national television as DD ‘national’ and running only hindi programmes.
And there’s still a lot more. Most importantly, to do all the above, your and my tax money are being used.
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+1

All non-Hindi speaking states should join hands and demand that Hindi be used only for official purposes, not promoted by CG in all spheres of life.

Opps the political debate has spoiled the fun of TN Arratai Arangam thread.. Though this is a old mail, i am sharing here...

Tamilnadu students rocks...:lol:


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I don't think that this is a real exam paper by a student. This has been produced for fun only, in my opinion. Looking at his Tamil, I can figure, he is far better at it than most people I see.

Reciting movie songs and saying he is quoting from Naladiyar and Thirukural is only stupid. Even a dim witted person would know the difference.

+1

All non-Hindi speaking states should join hands and demand that Hindi be used only for official purposes, not promoted by CG in all spheres of life.


If it can happen, it will be great.

In the recent years, the power of the centre has waned along with the complete dominance of the politicians from the BIMARU. Also, the weak economic performance of BIMARU and strong performance of non Hindi speaking states has kept Hindi dominance at bay. Even then, this continuous pushing of Hindi down the throat of hapless citizens spending their hard earned money speaks poorly of the GOI or the politicians in charge of affairs. The earliest this tendency is curtailed better for the overall welfare and integrity of the country and the betterment of its citizens.

Tragedy of a comedian (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Comic-hero-upset-as-Congress-releases-list-of-TN-poll-candidates/articleshow/7771613.cms)

Only toothless BJP is now left out for our man. Just another case of how nice people fail to understand politics (esp our kachada politics..)

Only a political will from state parties can make it happen. In 1960s, Dravidian parties were badly in need of throwing congress from the state. They took this issue to ppl in streets, and came to power. Now, they are well settled, and battles is within state parties not center. So, they will not bother to raise a combined voice against the center. Each state has its own agenda.

High time, why would someone need hindi to work in ISRO/ DRDO :bash:

Interestingly in some other thread, a discussion about Duranto's meaning was going on. Learnt that, it's a bengali word. Good that Mamta has that courage to introduce her native language. How many ministers from non-bimaru states has that courage? :bash: Once all starts doing such things, then it will create a positive effect.

Ideally, center should provide the option for taking any nationally recognized language as a subject in CBSE schools, apart from selective foreign languages in the choice. Why the hell any particular language has to be compulsory till 10th std, and optional afterwards i don't know. Imposing it at the root level, and relaxing it later. :bash: They call it as a democratic nation.

Tragedy of a comedian (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Comic-hero-upset-as-Congress-releases-list-of-TN-poll-candidates/articleshow/7771613.cms)

Only toothless BJP is now left out for our man. Just another case of how nice people fail to understand politics (esp our kachada politics..)



Thangabalukku ellam kudumba aatchi kanava? You can't blame MK really

Only a political will from state parties can make it happen. In 1960s, Dravidian parties were badly in need of throwing congress from the state. They took this issue to ppl in streets, and came to power. Now, they are well settled, and battles is within state parties not center. So, they will not bother to raise a combined voice against the center. Each state has its own agenda.

High time, why would someone need hindi to work in ISRO/ DRDO :bash:

Interestingly in some other thread, a discussion about Duranto's meaning was going on. Learnt that, it's a bengali word. Good that Mamta has that courage to introduce her native language. How many ministers from non-bimaru states has that courage? :bash: Once all starts doing such things, then it will create a positive effect.

Ideally, center should provide the option for taking any nationally recognized language as a subject in CBSE schools, apart from selective foreign languages in the choice. Why the hell any particular language has to be compulsory till 10th std, and optional afterwards i don't know. Imposing it at the root level, and relaxing it later. :bash: They call it as a democratic nation.

There are forces in play at the national level that tries to homogenize the Indian society in the name of patriotism and nationalism. Many media outlets like CNN-IBN, Rediff, NDTV etc are jalras to these forces and probably funded by them. These media outlets selective publish only negative articles related to TN and Maharastra because we don't agree with this concept.
We cannot loose our identity and culture at any cost. Some one correclty said, we as a nation are more close to a EU model. Any attempt to homegenize the society will only weaken and disintegrate this country in the long run.

Thangabalukku ellam kudumba aatchi kanava? You can't blame MK really

Congress is a "thai veedu" for the present policial parties policies in India. Every policy right from family politics to corruption to riots will have roots, to that party. If Raul is not getting married, the Gandhi family rule should end there but may be Priyanka Gandhi family will take the charge later this century. :nuts:

The youth congress demanded Raul to be the CM of TN... :lol:

+1

All non-Hindi speaking states should join hands and demand that Hindi be used only for official purposes, not promoted by CG in all spheres of life.

Fact is, except for TN, most other state people think Hindi is our National Language. I had to educate my friends by showing the the Gujarat High court judgement. It is a lost cause. Whoever devised this strategy of introducing Hindi subtly has succeeded.

There are forces in play at the national level that tries to homogenize the Indian society in the name of patriotism and nationalism. Many media outlets like CNN-IBN, Rediff, NDTV etc are jalras to these forces and probably funded by them. These media outlets selective publish only negative articles related to TN and Maharastra because we don't agree with this concept.
We cannot loose our identity and culture at any cost. Some one correclty said, we as a nation are more close to a EU model. Any attempt to homegenize the society will only weaken and disintegrate this country in the long run.

Are you saying that you are against patriotism and nationalism?

[OR]

Are you against players trying to force things in the name of patriotism / nationalism?

^^

does this not speaks out about your Q?

"homogenize the Indian society"

entha padathula intha scene?

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The youth congress demanded Raul to be the CM of TN... :lol:

Actually he would be a better candidate than thatha,jaya, ramadoss and the rest of the jokers in the pack.

Actually he would be a better candidate than thatha,jaya, ramadoss and the rest of the jokers in the pack.

Yes better candidate to wipe out TN. :lol: he has any other qualification other thaan born in Nehru mama family?

Actually he would be a better candidate than thatha,jaya, ramadoss and the rest of the jokers in the pack.

i don't support any of the above mentioned ppl as well. but very curious to know. what made you to come to this conclusion? :)

he is fair & handsome j/k

Are you saying that you are against patriotism and nationalism?

[OR]

Are you against players trying to force things in the name of patriotism / nationalism?
The later. I am all for patriotism and nationalism provided my own identity is kept intact. I hate the pattern of tagging some one anti-nationalist because he or she do not understand Hindi. It defats the whole "Unity in Diversity" principle.

he is fair & handsome

Karuppu than enakku pudicha kalaru :)
Namma thalaivaru super star karuppu than! Karma veerar Kamarajar karuppu than!
Cap10 karuppu than!

He is young, modern, dynamic, can speak english and deal with business much better than any of the crop and can attract industries.

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He is young, modern, dynamic, can speak english and deal with business much better than any of the crop and can attract industries.

when he is not from tamil nadu or a tamilian, how can he become cm? Otherwise, the things you mention are positives.

when he is not from tamil nadu or a tamilian, how can he become cm?
He cannot and he is not running either. It was a hypothetical question.

Had you just put "he is not tamilian", I could have knocked off few from the pack. :)

He is young, modern, dynamic, can speak english and deal with business much better than any of the crop and can attract industries.

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He cannot and he is not running either. It was a hypothetical question.

Had you just put "he is not tamilian", I could have knocked off few from the pack. :)

How about Chidambaram? Though he lacks the charisma to pull a huge crowd, I feel he will be a able administrator. Any chance?

Dayanidhi Maran would be great as cm too, but that can't happen unless some people die.

Dayanidhi Maran would be great as cm too, but that can't happen unless some people die.

I agree with you.

He is young, modern, dynamic, can speak english and deal with business much better than any of the crop and can attract industries.

attracting business... is that the only job of a CM? what about state's majority of the ppl, who is no way interested or not directly impacted by those business?
all he can do is, create sensationalizing news by having food in slums and villages, and travelling in general compartment (paid news agencies are there in first place). what he has done (or) directed any of the congress ruling states for ppl welfare?

other than being dynamic, Kamarajar didn't had any of the above what you stated. He was the best/ better CM so far in our state (not many may deny this)

better come out of these sick thoughts of voting for "looks" and "english"... more or less like "quarter" and "kozhi briyani" :lol: if you try looking out of his family identity, he will not be remembered for any of his great doing..:ohno:
for that matter, other young guys in his own party like sachin pilot (again he too from family identity) looks better and talks little sensibly, unlike this guy who can talk irresponsibly anything and anywhere, creating embarrasment for the whole party, and party spokesperson's main job is to justify his statements. :lol:

How about Chidambaram? Though he lacks the charisma to pull a huge crowd, I feel he will be a able administrator. Any chance?
Agreed!
Dayanidhi Maran would be great as cm too, but that can't happen unless some people die.
Agreed!

attracting business... is that the only job of a CM? what about state's majority of the ppl, who is no way interested or not directly impacted by those business?
At the end of the day, people want jobs,jobs, jobs and better standard of living, not classical language meets and eulogising history. People have clear and present issues for which they look upto the Govt for help.


other than being dynamic, Kamarajar didn't had any of the above what you stated. He was the best/ better CM so far in our state (not many may deny this)
And neither do I. I would prefer him to any or rather all of his *DMK* successors.


better come out of these sick thoughts of voting for "looks" and "english"... more or less like "quarter" and "kozhi briyani" :lol:
Refer to my original point, if the choice is between Jaya,Amma,Ramadoss then Rahul would be a better choice than these jokers, only because of such a low bar set by these crooks.

Not related to TN, posting it since we talked about doomsdays few pages back.

Doomsday bunker sales up (http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/22/real_estate/doomsday_bunkers/index.htm?hpt=C2)1000%

CM starts (http://www.rediff.com/news/report/karuna-kicks-off-campaign-with-lackluster-rally/20110324.htm)his campaign

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi [ Images ] on Wednesday launched the first election campaign at his birth place Thiruvaroor in Tamil Nadu, which many believed was a lackluster show.

When the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam [ Images ] chief announced the 'free laptops for students and free bus ride in government as well as private bus routes,' there was no enthusiasm, no proper applause from the audience.

Alliance partner Pattali Makkal Katchi leader S Ramadoss [ Images ], Tamil Nadu Congress Committee chief KV Thangkabalu and Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi chief Thirumavalavan spoke prior to Karunanidhi.

But when the popular Tamil comedian Vadivelu was called to address the public meeting, the entire audience burst into applause.

However, the same applause was missing when Karunanidhi announced his free laptops.

Various mediapersons, especially from north India [ Images ], who were there to cover the campaign rally, were left wondering 'why Karunanidhi couldn't get applauded for his freebies when a comedian got it so easily.'

The DMK chief's speech was not impressive as he was the last speaker, getting introduced as the candidate for the assembly from the constituency.

The too tired leader, who is 86 years, is contesting for the eleventh time for the Tamil Nadu assembly -- and in his speech he mentioned that Thiruvaroor was till now a reserved constituency, but with the delimitation in 2011 this constituency has become general.

With the election commission being too strict in observing its rule not to hold public meetings beyond 10 pm, the chief minister glanced at his wrist watch and stopped addressing the meeting before the end of the 'deadline'

Many felt Karunanidhi was not in his usual blazing form. "This is a major factor," commented a senior Congress leader on condition of anonymity.

CM starts (http://www.rediff.com/news/report/karuna-kicks-off-campaign-with-lackluster-rally/20110324.htm)his campaign

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi [ Images ] on Wednesday launched the first election campaign at his birth place Thiruvaroor in Tamil Nadu, which many believed was a lackluster show.

When the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam [ Images ] chief announced the 'free laptops for students and free bus ride in government as well as private bus routes,' there was no enthusiasm, no proper applause from the audience.

Alliance partner Pattali Makkal Katchi leader S Ramadoss [ Images ], Tamil Nadu Congress Committee chief KV Thangkabalu and Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi chief Thirumavalavan spoke prior to Karunanidhi.

But when the popular Tamil comedian Vadivelu was called to address the public meeting, the entire audience burst into applause.

However, the same applause was missing when Karunanidhi announced his free laptops.

Various mediapersons, especially from north India [ Images ], who were there to cover the campaign rally, were left wondering 'why Karunanidhi couldn't get applauded for his freebies when a comedian got it so easily.'

The DMK chief's speech was not impressive as he was the last speaker, getting introduced as the candidate for the assembly from the constituency.

The too tired leader, who is 86 years, is contesting for the eleventh time for the Tamil Nadu assembly -- and in his speech he mentioned that Thiruvaroor was till now a reserved constituency, but with the delimitation in 2011 this constituency has become general.

With the election commission being too strict in observing its rule not to hold public meetings beyond 10 pm, the chief minister glanced at his wrist watch and stopped addressing the meeting before the end of the 'deadline'

Many felt Karunanidhi was not in his usual blazing form. "This is a major factor," commented a senior Congress leader on condition of anonymity.

Well, I guess he knows that the writing is on the wall. I hope that people are beginning to reject the politics of freebies.

http://www.afaqs.com/media/story.html?sid=30035_Femina+to+woo+ladies+in+Tamil

The regional version of the magazine will be available across Tamil Nadu from March 25.

Femina, the women's magazine by Worldwide Media (WWM), a joint venture (JV) between BCCL and BBC Worldwide, has launched the first regional version of the title. Starting March 25, Femina will be available in Tamil.

The fortnightly title will have an initial print run of 75,000 copies. The magazine will be available in 21 cities in Tamil Nadu, as well as in Bangalore, Hyderabad and Kochi. It will have an inaugural cover price of Rs 30 for the first six months. The price will be increased to Rs 40, subsequently.

In 2009, WWM introduced the Hindi version of this 52 year-old magazine in the market. The Tamil edition will target the progressive Tamil speaking woman in SEC A & A+, between 20-29 years of age, who is extremely brand conscious and fairly evolved in her lifestyle and aspirations.

Tarun Rai, CEO, Worldwide Media, says, "Our research has shown that there is a sizeable segment of progressive, Tamil speaking women who are looking for quality content. I am sure some of our other magazines will follow suit with their Tamil editions."

According to the company, its research highlighted the fact that there is a huge market for a magazine for progressive Tamil-speaking women who are looking for quality content. While there are a number of extremely popular Tamil women's magazines, there is still space for a new magazine that caters to the reading needs of the evolving Tamil speaking woman.

The Tamil version of Femina will have both national, as well as local advertisers. It is being positioned to serve as an additional vehicle to reach out to their potential readers.

Through this regional edition, the group is attempting to tap a whole new set of local advertisers in the market. The new offering, on an average, will have 150+ pages in every issue.

The Tamil version will leverage the content of English Femina and will cover various facets of the lives of modern Tamil female audience. But, it will also have content customised for Tamil readers, providing insights into fashion, beauty, lifestyle, relationships, career, food, and travel. There will be a balance of features, created specifically with the reader's preferences and values in mind.

It will also cover personalities, events, happenings and brands, not only from Tamil Nadu, but also from entire South India.

The magazine will be distributed through a wide network of newsstands, as well as format stores like Landmark and Crossword. The group will also push subscriptions of the magazine through various on-ground initiatives and through the subscription route.

The launch of Femina Tamil is being supported by a marketing campaign spanning print, radio, on-ground, POS (point-of sale) branding, and online activities.

The FPA (full page ad) rates for Femina Tamil is Rs 1.5 lakh, while that of Femina English is Rs 4 lakh.

In an official communique, Prachi Tiwari, brand publisher, Femina, says, "The Tamil edition will carry on the legacy of the mother brand, reflecting what matters to the Tamil speaking reader, and finding newer ways to connect with her changing lifestyle and ambitions."

Well, I guess he knows that the writing is on the wall. I hope that people are beginning to reject the politics of freebies.

If it had really happened, three cheers to the people of TN. Waiting for more reports

Well, I guess he knows that the writing is on the wall. I hope that people are beginning to reject the politics of freebies.

You can see comments like.. oh that is a north Indian media working against DMK.

See Kalaignar or Sun TV to know how was the response for thatha's speech.

^^ Rediff is more sensible out of most national media IMO. But yes I am still waiting to hear our vernacular version..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/More-beneficiaries-for-DMKs-freebies/articleshow/7776637.cms

Chief minister M Karunanidhi continued to play Santa, kicking off the DMK's campaign in his Tiruvarur constituency on Wednesday evening. The DMK leader, who announced a string of freebies including free grinders, miser grinders machines, laptops for first year SC/ST, MBC and BC students in colleges and bus passes for senior citizens in his party's poll manifesto last week, took his hometown by storm on Wednesday expanding the sops and schemes to cover more beneficiaries.

Kick-starting his election campaign in agrarian Truvarur in central Tamil Nadu, Karunanidhi announced that free laptops would be given to all students of government and government aided colleges, irrespective of their communities. "We deliver not only promises, but even those not promised. My friends and allies wanted free laptops to be given to entire student community. So I am announcing that laptops will be given to all the students irrespective of the communities," he said to an applauding crowd on South street in the town.

Similarly, he announced that the free bus passes promised for senior citizens aged 60 years and above will be extended to those aged 58 and above as well. "We have promised curbing of sand theft, rice theft and usury. Yet another social evil is katta panchayat (kangaroo courts). Now I promise that we will also take measures to put a permanent end to this evil," Karunanidhi said.

The DMK leader spoke for about 30 minutes ending his speech just before the cut-off time of 10 pm. And, he couldn't have expected anything more at Tiruvarur where he commenced his campaign for the April 13 assembly elections. Loud chants of Mannin Maindhar (son of the soil) Dr Kalaignar' reverberated across Tiruvarur as hordes of party cadres from Nagapattinam and Thanjavur too descended on the town.

Enthused by the cheering crowds, Karunanidhi, for whom it was home-coming, turned nostalgic. "I have come to the place where I studied, where I started treading on the ideals of Periyar, where I began walking in the footsteps of Arignar Anna,'' he began his speech. "I have come here as the candidate for the assembly elections seeking your support," he said. Explaining that he wanted to contest in Tiruvarur right from the start of his political career, he said "certain forces" made the segment a reserved constituency to prevent him from contesting here. But once it was de-reserved, he decided to contest from Tiruvarur, Karunanidhi said. "I will not appeal you to vote for me or DMK or our allies. Neither will I talk about who should not be voted out, because all of you are my relatives and have contributed to my growth. I don't want to hurt anyone," Karunanidhi said, adding it was the people of Tiruvarur who brought him up and appealed to them to continue to enable him to serve them.

^^ Damn we can't blame bloody northie media now with one of them reporting positively and other negatively :)

Avarakurichi DMK candidate's net worth (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/03/23/election-dmk-crorepathi-candidate-aid0128.html) - 122 crores.

Related to this currency rains (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/03/23/karur-constituency-flooded-with-cash-votes-aid0091.html) in Karur (that includes Aravakurichi)

Avarakurichi DMK candidate's net worth (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/03/23/election-dmk-crorepathi-candidate-aid0128.html) - 122 crores.

Related to this currency rains (http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/03/23/karur-constituency-flooded-with-cash-votes-aid0091.html) in Karur (that includes Aravakurichi)

Kanakula vanthathey ivlo na, varaama evlooooo irukkum!!!

He is young, modern, dynamic, can speak english and deal with business much better than any of the crop and can attract industries.

Raul is 40 still young? :lol:

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""Refer to my original point, if the choice is between Jaya,Amma,Ramadoss then Rahul would be a better choice than these jokers, only because of such a low bar set by these crooks.""

Raul is a biggest joker on his speeches than MK/Jaya... It is funny to see people who can just speak english and yound can be a CM..

Then thousands of students from col will be eligible for that..:nuts:

Savukku has put a count down in their website! :)

DMK Aatchi Mudiya... 22 Days, 14 Hours, 5 Min 25 sec. and going on!

Property Details of Minister Veerapandy Arumugam

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=211820
Movable properties:

Minister himself: INR 15,80,000
Manaiviyaar: INR 50,577
Thunaiviyaar: INR 1,30,00,000

Immovable:

Minister himself: 47,62,000
Manaivi: 83,05,000
Thunaivi: 1,83,00,000

Looks like Thunaivies get more attention!!! Long live these politicians!!!!

^^ Manaivi kitta pichakarathanama 50000 roova kuduthuttu thunaivi kitta niraya kuduthu vechirukaru. Thunaivi melathan paasam pola :lol:

Agreed!

Agreed!


At the end of the day, people want jobs,jobs, jobs and better standard of living, not classical language meets and eulogising history. People have clear and present issues for which they look upto the Govt for help.


And neither do I. I would prefer him to any or rather all of his *DMK* successors.


Refer to my original point, if the choice is between Jaya,Amma,Ramadoss then Rahul would be a better choice than these jokers, only because of such a low bar set by these crooks.

He can't be good even among the above said jokers Amma/MK. They all have the their own identity, and they came to this stage on their own talent. He even after having a bigger identity, chose to contest ONLY in the same "Amethi", not in any cities like Delhi, where ppl will show him the door. Since nehru established, Amethi is their family member's safe zone.

If you claim "young" as a quality, for that matter Amma in same 40s took the control of ADMK and became CM.

All he can do is, embarrass his party with his dumb statements, and putting party spokespersons in tough spot of justifying to media. And his family is good at vengeance acts. For IG, 1984 riots (including innocent sikhs). For RG, war in SL (including innocent tamils).

You guyz said PC?? Kidding?? None of the "so called" capable and talented senior congress members could object/ control their party leadership, when a relatively new MP is projected as potential PM candidate. Whats use of PC being a MP since 1984? PC is just a team player, where he can complete the tasks assigned by his boss. CM needs a leadership skills, and never he had any such.

When the whole party expected Jr. YSR to fall in line, why not the same is applicable in center as well?

If at all he has achieved something so far by being a MP, you tell me. Biharis gave the right numbers what he & his party deserved. Hope the tamils and mallus will prove the same soon.

He can't be good even among the above said jokers Amma/MK. They all have the their own identity, and they came to this stage on their own talent. He even after having a bigger identity, chose to contest ONLY in the same "Amethi", not in any cities like Delhi, where ppl will show him the door. Since nehru established, Amethi is their family member's safe zone.


Has Amethi become like Singapore or Delhi because of this young, modern, dynamic, english speaking Raul and he dealt with business and attracted industries, IT companies, automobile companies to that MP constitiuency? Hope the person who gave certificate for Raul talented than MK/Jaya explain this...

Opps the political debate has spoiled the fun of TN Arratai Arangam thread.. Though this is a old mail, i am sharing here...

Tamilnadu students rocks...:lol:

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LOL This sure rocks!!
After long time had a long sound laugh

Eighty labourers, both men and women, are at work at Thiruvanduthurai village in Tiruvarur district of Tamil Nadu, about 325 km south of Chennai. They are digging a pond - about an acre wide and six feet deep - funded under the Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, or MGNREGS.

Outside the work perimeter, two middle aged men look on, worried. P. Murugan and K. Govindaraj are farmers from the same village who have cultivated black gram in their fields. The crop is ready for harvesting but they have been unable to get enough farm hands for the job. "We have been trying to wean away people from this pond digging to work for us, but they refuse," says Murugan. "Almost half our crop is lost as it is already over-ripe."

No doubt private employers across the country are facing a serious labour shortage following the implementation of the MGNREGS. But in Tamil Nadu, the problem has been exacerbated by the ruling DMK government's unrestrained populism over the last five years. Today, a ration card holder in the state gets rice at Rs 1 per kg, several other food items like pulses and cooking oil at subsidised rates, a free gas stove along with an LPG connection, free school education for the children, free dhotis for men and sarees for women during festivals, a free TV set, subsidised health insurance and a Rs 75,000 subsidy to convert a thatched hut into a pucca dwelling.

With assembly elections in the state scheduled in April and electioneering in full swing, the DMK is banking on these very populist measures to offset the damage to its image caused by the 2G spectrum scam - in which one of its leading lights, former union telecom minister A. Raja is the key player - and bring it back to power. However, the measures have also had adverse consequences, creating not only a major labour shortage but leaving the state with a huge revenue deficit, which may stunt its growth in the long run.

In the last five years, Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi's government has spent Rs 14,626 crore on the food subsidies, Rs 1,219 crore on the free dhotis and sarees, Rs 3,922 crore on the free TV sets and Rs 660 crore on the free LPG stoves. It has earmarked Rs 12,000 crore for the housing scheme involving 1.2 million hutments.

The insurance scheme has provided around 2.70 lakh people treatment costing Rs 700 crore.

Total 32467 crores spent, to demotivate the ppl's productiveness :bash:

Labour pains

The freebies have made a deep impact on labour attitudes. "When you take care of almost all the basic needs of people, be it food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, children's education and even entertainment, there is little motivation for them to work hard," says a state bureaucrat, requesting anonymity. Together with the MGNREGS, the freebies have left the rural population too content to exert itself, he adds.

The contentment shows in the increasing liquor consumption of the state, claim some observers. In 2005/06, state revenue from liquor sales was Rs 6,087 crore. In 2009/10, it rose to Rs 11,606 crore, and is estimated to be around Rs 14,033 crore in 2010/11.

Labour shortage at harvesting time is so acute that many paddy farmers in the Cauvery Delta, which accounts for 30 per cent of the state's output, are shifting to less labour intensive and more lucrative crops - 26,000 acres have been given over to sugarcane, 10,000 to oil palm and 10,000 to a variety of bamboo without thorns. Fish farms have sprung up across 10,000 acres. Sign of the times: 10,000 acres of farmland have been converted into real estate. Around 15,000 acres simply lie fallow. "At this rate, we could face a major paddy shortage in the country in coming years," laments S. Ranganathan, General Secretary of Tamil Nadu Cauvery Delta Farmers Welfare Association.


Industry's problems

The welfare measures are hurting industry, too. Migration from the villages to the cities has dropped significantly. "Labour shortage has pushed up wage costs. We are forced to pay more," says Venu Srinivasan, Chairman and Managing Director of TVS Motor Co. Rural contentment across the state was even more evident when the government, in collaboration with the Confederation of Indian Industry, or CII, sought to identify 100,000 unskilled people in rural areas, whom CII member companies were willing to train and subsequently absorb. The state government, for its part, offered to bear the cost of training to the tune of Rs 50 crore. The salary promised was Rs 7,000 a month. Yet the rural response was cold. Around 40,000 people were identified with difficulty, of whom 11,000 were given appointment letters. Only 800 joined, the rest unwilling to leave the comfort of their villages.

Sogusana vazhvu vantha, yaruthan velaikku varuvaanga.... sugama veetula irrunthey, india-va # 1 aakurathukku aayarathu allum pagalum uzhaipaanga :)

The labour shortage has arisen at a particularly inopportune time as there has been a strong inflow of manufacturing investments into the state in recent years. According to M. Velmurugan, Executive Vice Chairman of the Guidance Bureau in the state's industries department - the nodal agency for attracting investments - Tamil Nadu attracted investments worth Rs 80,000 crore in the last five years.

Projects worth another Rs 30,000 crore are in various stages of discussion and approval. "Six of the top 10 auto majors are in Chennai with a capacity to produce 1.7 million vehicles annually. We are set to become the world's largest auto cluster,'' he says.

When there's labor shortage, and adding to it labor strikes, dreams will remain dream alone. :nuts:

The demand for labour has grown so intense that the new investors, who pay more, are edging out traditional businesses. Old industries, such as textiles, are forced to expand outside Tamil Nadu. "We are not welcome any more. Tamil Nadu does not need the textile industry," says Manickam Ramaswamy, Chairman of Loyal Textiles, which has a capacity of 1.25 lakh spindles and 250 looms in the state. Labour shortage and extended power cuts have forced him to expand in neighbouring Andhra Pradesh where he recently put up a 25,000-spindle and a 200-loom unit. Rajapalayam Mills and Govindaraja Mills, too, have chosen to set up new units in Andhra.

During the DMK's tenure, Tamil Nadu's gross domestic product, or GDP, growth has declined from about 21 per cent in 2006/07 to 11.76 per cent in 2010/11. The state's revenue deficit is estimated at Rs 3,129 crore during 2010/11 against a revenue surplus of Rs 4,545 crore in 2007/08. Its public debt is set to cross Rs 1,00,000 crore in 2010/11. Yet state finance minister K. Anbazhagan claims there is nothing to worry about as the amount borrowed is within the state's capacity to repay.

There was lot of talk on GDP for past few days here. Hope this will add fuel on the flames :lol:

To be sure, despite the profligacy, Tamil Nadu has not touched bottom yet. As per the latest Reserve Bank of India study on state budgets, Tamil Nadu's ratio of debt to gross state domestic product was 24.2 per cent in 2008/09, which was better than that of some other big states like Maharashtra, Gujarat, Kerala and Karnataka. Economists, however, point out that the state's per capita social expenditure over the past five years, at Rs 3,200, is second only to that of Maharashtra and too high to be sustained indefinitely.

Not too late, even now to change the attitude of TN politics. Else, the productive layer would be easily made lazy. :ohno:

Already, one of the key themes of the Opposition in the current election campaign is that the DMK government has ruined the state's finances and is leading it into a debt trap. "Every child born in Tamil Nadu today carries a debt burden of Rs 15,000 on his or her head," said AIADMK leader J. Jayalalithaa during one of her rare appearances in the state assembly recently.
Even she has announced tons of freebies :bash:

Noted agricultural economist, Professor M.S. Swaminathan, sums up: "Welfare measures are needed in India considering the large scale inequality. But there is a need to take a view in totality. On one hand we offer freebies and on the other take money away from the people through the sale of liquor. That is very unfortunate and counterproductive in the long run.''

Source: http://businesstoday.intoday.in/bt/story/assembly-polls-dmk-government-unrestrained-populism/1/13896.html

Fact is, except for TN, most other state people think Hindi is our National Language. I had to educate my friends by showing the the Gujarat High court judgement. It is a lost cause. Whoever devised this strategy of introducing Hindi subtly has succeeded.

None of this is permanent. Local languages will have a resurgence in the coming years because of widespread literacy and internet access. Just like ancient times, political struggle will continue, but this time there are no soldiers :).

LOL This sure rocks!!
After long time had a long sound laugh

LOL...achieving 0 in style

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/specials/assembly-elections-2011//With-a-longer-list-of-freebies-Jayalalitha-joins-war-of-populism/articleshow/7779405.cms

jayalolita is a dumbo. I hope everyone votes for dmk.

^^ As if he isn't.:ol: Wise to say not to vote for both.

Eighty labourers, both men and women, are at work at Thiruvanduthurai village in Tiruvarur district of Tamil Nadu, about 325 km south of Chennai. They are digging a pond - about an acre wide and six feet deep - funded under the Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, or MGNREGS.

Outside the work perimeter, two middle aged men look on, worried. P. Murugan and K. Govindaraj are farmers from the same village who have cultivated black gram in their fields. The crop is ready for harvesting but they have been unable to get enough farm hands for the job. "We have been trying to wean away people from this pond digging to work for us, but they refuse," says Murugan. "Almost half our crop is lost as it is already over-ripe."




This is a very serious problem. And, I am from a village near Salem where farmers and weavers are equally present. Almost 100% of the household in 15-20km radius is involved in either farming or weaving.

The people used to be very vibrant in their own profession until this cheap scheme came into effect.

Under this scheme people just have to go to a nearby lake, with their lunch and water packed in a box. Act as if they are digging. Sign a ledger. Talk gossips. And get Rs. 100/- paid for each day.

Because of this, the farmers are not finding workers to take care of farm lands, or to harvest the grown produces.

Similarly, Power loom factories are not finding people to take care of the looms.

People have become lazy to the core.

At least 2 or 3 go to this work from each household which gives them at least 5500 bucks a month, on top of the Free TV, 1 kg rice and other freebies.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/specials/assembly-elections-2011//With-a-longer-list-of-freebies-Jayalalitha-joins-war-of-populism/articleshow/7779405.cms

jayalolita is a dumbo. I hope everyone votes for dmk.

Lol.. as if DMK didn't announce any freebie.. But ADMK's manifesto is more dumb than DMK manifesto.

Few things that i found in both the manifestos are,

Needed:

1. Students welfare
2. Healthcare & Insurance
3. Fishermen Security force
4. 3-phase power connection
5. Self helping groups

Unneccessary

1. Free rice
2. Free TV
3. Free home - (they can just provide a home loan in a lesser interest rate, just like agri loan)

Worst of worse:

1. TASMAC - providing healthcare & insurance after spoiling their health. pillayum killittu thottilayum aatividurathundrathu ithuthan. :bash:

^^ The agri loan is another bad thing. They always cancel these loans and these are very much wrongly used by rich farmers.

I know of several rich farmers who get the loans which later gets waived. It is like they are getting free money! They know that one day or the other the goverment is going to waive it, so even those who have the money, do not pay it back to the bank.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/specials/assembly-elections-2011//With-a-longer-list-of-freebies-Jayalalitha-joins-war-of-populism/articleshow/7779405.cms

jayalolita is a dumbo. I hope everyone votes for dmk.

Super... Amma don't have the guts to avoid freebies and I am sure many forummers will argue for that citing DMK's freebies. Here is an other jalra.

Political analyst Cho Ramaswamy called the populism an inevitable part of the electoral race. "When the ruling party continues to play populism, how can the opposition keep silent. It has become an inevitable game," he told TOI

How come amma is only banking on freebies? Why can't she campaign on power issues and 2G corruption to win the election? :lol:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/specials/assembly-elections-2011//With-a-longer-list-of-freebies-Jayalalitha-joins-war-of-populism/articleshow/7779405.cms

jayalolita is a dumbo. I hope everyone votes for dmk.

Haha now i feel so good. "economists" here were sure it would increase GDP. Do they still stand by their theory? :D
Now they will see what i was talking about i bet.

How come amma is only banking on freebies? Why can't she campaign on power issues and 2G corruption to win the election? :lol:

The number of people who can really understand the power issues and 2G corruption is very very less.
Thaatha is trying to hide those massive corruptions by the name of freebies, which go catchy into the minds of majority who have lost all their senses and just go after everything given free.

Government spending translates to growth isn't? Or does it only if dmk spends it? Just kidding: ) equally bad...

I see atleast 2 basic necessities in the name of populist manifesto


25 l of drinking water daily
3 phase connection in 4 years


I would take this anyday compared to other freebies in her list.

Super... Amma don't have the guts to avoid freebies and I am sure many forummers will argue for that citing DMK's freebies. Here is an other jalra.

Political analyst Cho Ramaswamy called the populism an inevitable part of the electoral race. "When the ruling party continues to play populism, how can the opposition keep silent. It has become an inevitable game," he told TOI

How come amma is only banking on freebies? Why can't she campaign on power issues and 2G corruption to win the election? :lol:

The number of people who can really understand the power issues and 2G corruption is very very less.
Thaatha is trying to hide those massive corruptions by the name of freebies, which go catchy into the minds of majority who have lost all their senses and just go after everything given free.

This is like our film heroine. Show the crack and hide the fat.

^^ Thatha's recent change in manifesto was ultimate evidence of he relying ONLY on freebies. After Amma's announcement, he too announced free laptops for ALL students, from his earlier promise of laptops ONLY to the most backward.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/assembly%20polls/jayalalithaas-assets-have-doubled-to-51-crores-93882?trendingnow

Chennai: Jayalalithaa has filed her nomination for the Tamil Nadu elections today. Her assets, according to her nomination papers, stand at 51 crores now.

In the last election, she was worth 24.65 crores.

The leader of the AIADMK is contesting the elections for the first time from the Srirangam constituency in the Tiruchi district of the state. In the last two elections, she won from the Andipatti constituency.

She also released her party's manifesto today. It includes 20 kgs of free rice every month for all ration card holders, free fans, mixies and grinders for women, free laptops for senior school students and engineering students. She has also committed to gifting four grams of gold for the 'mangalsutras' for brides from poor families. There's more: 60,000 cows will be gifted to 6,000 villages if she is elected. (Read: AIADMK offers laptops, gold for mangalsutra)

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How come it doubled without being in power ? :) Powerukku vandha, it will increase 200 times.

As per JJ manifesto, all people over 58 can travel across state in govt and PRIVATE buses free of cost. While this will be final nail in coffin of our already dabba buses, can they mandate free travle in private buses?

How come it doubled without being in power ? :) Powerukku vandha, it will increase 200 times.

lol this is the easiest question to answer.. ever!!

Her Poes Garden residence alone will be worth that much. And land rates more than doubled in the last 5 years even in forests let alone in Poes gardens :lol::lol:

Government spending translates to growth isn't? Or does it only if dmk spends it?

You see the economy grows only if you give either mixie or grinder. But if you give both, it crashes :( JJ doesnt understand economics :ohno:

All our Useless Politician started taking easy short sighted steps. This High time to seek alternative to Both thatha and kilavi. Atleast we will not discuss about both these useless people to degrade our self in eyes of Other state and country people

I wonder about the quality of the mixer/grinders. Will they last atleast 5 years or break down after a few months? :D

Jaish
What are you talking about? We are going to see a mass migration of poor people from all over the country to TN. Other state people are going to love us :banana::banana:

do any one like beggers of their own money?

No need to be ashamed. Other states (except maybe Kerala) are not doing it because they cannot afford to give everybody mixer/grinder :lol:

Only the usual whisky/rum+cash.

I dont get you.

I strongly feel this is the height of disgrace both the parties could do to TN people as equal as congress has done during the Eelam war.

Now DMK upped their offer. All the students to get laptop. So whoever wins, I am getting one :banana::banana:

Bad luck to those who have already graduated :lol::lol:

Mam Just a minute.

This just a promise can be forgotten after May 13

Mam Just a minute.

This just a promise can be forgotten after May 13

Why are you spoiling the party? Dont be jealous. Hope for the best. I encourage you to visit TASMAC as much as possible to fund our education. Kudithaal naatukku kudikka vittal veetukku.

I wonder about the quality of the mixer/grinders. Will they last atleast 5 years or break down after a few months? :D

C'mon it has to break down within 3 years for a greater economic progress. Then only people will realize what it takes to live without grinder / mixie and you can re-promise in 2016, add few more to it to stimulate economic engine.

If it works for life then it will result in less consumer spending (government spending for consumer in this case) which is totally against progress

^Great point :applause:

Why are you spoiling the party? Dont be jealous. Hope for the best. I encourage you to visit TASMAC as much as possible to fund our education. Kudithaal naatukku kudikka vittal veetukku.

I really want to help to fund your education!! Does TASMAC export? :lol:

Haha now i feel so good. "economists" here were sure it would increase GDP. Do they still stand by their theory? :D
Now they will see what i was talking about i bet.

You nailed it, now those "economists" have escaped. :lol:

Don't worry investment lovers, if Thirukuvalai family can do the investment in mixer, grinder company, manargudi company can also do investment. Both have secret links as per su swami...:nuts:

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Looking at the scenario neither ADMK or DMK will form the government on its own. First time in history it will be coalition government in TN.

I really want to help to fund your education!! Does TASMAC export? :lol:

What are you doing abroad? apparently you dont know how to enjoy life.

This is like our film heroine. Show the crack and hide the fat.
:lol:

Looking at the scenario neither ADMK or DMK will form the government on its own. First time in history it will be coalition government in TN.

The arrogant lady would rather force another election on the electorate (which according to some is good for the economy) rather than forming a coalition govt. I also feel ADMK has a reasonably good chance of getting 120 of 160.

As per JJ manifesto, all people over 58 can travel across state in govt and PRIVATE buses free of cost. While this will be final nail in coffin of our already dabba buses, can they mandate free travle in private buses?

This is real bad for progression on transportation side!! Forget about metras. We can forget even a better body now. This will turn the bodies to naai vandis.

You nailed it, now those "economists" have escaped. :lol:

Don't worry investment lovers, if Thirukuvalai family can do the investment in mixer, grinder company, manargudi company can also do investment. Both have secret links as per su swami...:nuts:

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Looking at the scenario neither ADMK or DMK will form the government on its own. First time in history it will be coalition government in TN.

No difference based on manifesto. DMK and ADMK could come up with a post electoral alliance and rule for 2.5 years each

Now DMK upped their offer. All the students to get laptop. So whoever wins, I am getting one :banana::banana:

Bad luck to those who have already graduated :lol::lol:

Neither of them going to give laptop to you. Even if they go for cheap configuration it needs atleast 15,000INR :)

11th, 12th and all col students... count should be around atleast 30lakhs, 4500crores it needs.. ada pavigala, they can build 45 super specialty hospital across the state.

Hope both MK or JJ fails to deliver the poll promises.

Neither of them going to give laptop to you. Even if they go for cheap configuration it needs atleast 15,000INR :)

11th, 12th and all col students... count should be around atleast 30lakhs, 4500crores it needs.. ada pavigala, they can build 45 super specialty hospital across the state.

Hope both MK or JJ fails to deliver the poll promises.

The guys in this forum are so mean.

In TN people are so lucky they are reaching a state of UTOPIA

As per JJ manifesto, all people over 58 can travel across state in govt and PRIVATE buses free of cost. While this will be final nail in coffin of our already dabba buses, can they mandate free travle in private buses?

Except omni buses even pvt buses in mofusil sector is finding very difficult to make profit.

Many short distance sectors like CBE-Tiruppur, Erode-Salem etc., cost 2-3crores to get the license for privates to operate bus on these routes. Such manifesto will be a doom for private and surely not going to happen.

No difference based on manifesto. DMK and ADMK could come up with a post electoral alliance and rule for 2.5 years each

Read Su. sw article in Ju V.. it is full of comedies!!

* Secret deal between Sasikala and Karuna family
* JJ will be sent to Delhi as Rajasabha MP by Sasikala family after election
* After election congiee will switch over to ADMK alliance and some congiee MLA will be CM with Sasikala's blessings
* The above deal was made by a high profile politician of Delhi who met a high profile politician of Tamilnadu in London before a LTTE sympathizer.

ayyo thalai suthuthey...

Read Su. sw article in Ju V.. it is full of comedies!!


link kodungo

Super... Amma don't have the guts to avoid freebies and I am sure many forummers will argue for that citing DMK's freebies. Here is an other jalra.

Political analyst Cho Ramaswamy called the populism an inevitable part of the electoral race. "When the ruling party continues to play populism, how can the opposition keep silent. It has become an inevitable game," he told TOI

How come amma is only banking on freebies? Why can't she campaign on power issues and 2G corruption to win the election? :lol:

So this is a total turnaround of Amma after blaming DMK for freebies, she has one leg up on this in bankrupting the state.
And Cho is a comedian, if Amma does it, then it has to be inevitable.

Hope both MK or JJ fails to deliver the poll promises.

We need a third front more than ever now!

And Cho is a comedian, if Amma does it, then it has to be inevitable.

Dont blame amma for starting it. Everything was fine till 2006.
And dont blame Cho - He was the one who brought together Moopanar - Kalaignar and Rajni in 96 against amma.

link kodungo

you have pay for it... I am copying the part of comedy here..

''வைகோ இருந்தால், தேர்தலுக்குப் பிறகு காங்கிர​ஸுடன் கூட்டணி சேர முடியாதே? அதனால்தான், கழட்டிவிட்டார். கண்டிப்பாக தமிழகத்தில் தேர்தல் முடிந்த பிறகு, புதிய கூட்டணி ஏற்படப்போகிறது. எம்.எல்.ஏ-க்கள் மியூசிக்கல் சேர் விளையாட்டு, குதிரை பேரங்கள் நடக்கும். முடிவில், ஜெயலலிதாவோ, கருணாநிதியோ... முதல்வர் பதவியில் அமர மாட்​டார்கள். அமரப்போவது யார் என்கிறீர்களா? காங்​கிரஸ்! அதற்காகத்தான் சசிகலா மறைமுகமாக அரசியல்​ரீதியாக காய் நகர்த்துகிறார்!'' என்றவரிடம், 'நீங்கள் சொல்வதை நம்ப முடியவில்லையே?’ என்று ஆச்சர்யம் காட்டினோம்.

''சொன்னால் நம்ப மாட்டீர்கள். தமிழக அரசியலில் என்ன நடக்கப்போகிறது என்பது முடிவானதே லண்டனில்! கடந்த சில நாட்களாக டெல்லியை சேர்ந்த முக்கிய அரசியல் வி.வி.ஐ.பி. ஒருவர் லண்டனுக்கு ஆஸ்துமா சிகிச்சைக்காகப் போனார். அங்கே புலிகள் ஆதரவாளர் ஒருவரை அவருக்கு ஏற்கெனவே தெரியும். அந்தத் தொடர்பு மூலம், சென்னையில் உள்ள அ.தி.மு.க. பிரமுகரை அணுகி, தேர்தலுக்குப் பிறகு நடக்கவிருக்கும் எதிர்கால அரசியல் பேச்சுவார்த்தை சுமூகமாக பேசி முடிக்கப்பட்டுவிட்டது. அதைத்தான் நான் சொல்கிறேன்!'' என்று உறுதியுடன் சொன்னார்.

''ஜெயலலிதாவுக்கு ராஜ்ய சபா உறுப்பினர் பதவி கொடுத்து டெல்லி அரசியலுக்கு அனுப்பிவிடுவார்கள். இங்கே சசிகலாவின் திரை மறைவு அரசியல் தொடரும். அதன் மூலம் வரும் பலாபலன்களை நிர்வகிப்பார். அவரது டம்மிகள் காங்கிரஸ் அமைச்சரவையில் இடம்பெறுவார்கள். மிடாஸ் மதுபான உற்பத்தி கம்பெனியானது சசிகலாவுக்கு வேண்டப்பட்டவர்களால் நடத்தப்படுவது. அந்த நிறுவனத்துக்கு கடந்த ஐந்து வருட தி.மு.க. ஆட்சியில் எவ்வளவு கோடி ரூபாய்க்கு ஆர்டர் கிடைத்தது என்று கேட்டால், மயக்கமே போட்டுவிடுவீர்கள். அந்த அளவுக்கு தி.மு.க-வுடன் தொழில் முறைத் தொடர்புகள் உண்டு. இவை எல்லாம் ஜெயலலிதாவுக்குத் தெரியுமா... தெரியாதா? என்று எனக்குத் தெரியாது. ஆனால், நடந்தது உண்மை. இதைப்போலவே, தேர்தலுக்குப் பிறகும் நான் சொன்னது நிச்சயமாக நடக்கும்!'' என்றார் சுவாமி.

கேட்ட நமக்குத்தான் கிர்ரடித்தது!

Read Su. sw article in Ju V.. it is full of comedies!!

* Secret deal between Sasikala and Karuna family
* JJ will be sent to Delhi as Rajasabha MP by Sasikala family after election
* After election congiee will switch over to ADMK alliance and some congiee MLA will be CM with Sasikala's blessings
* The above deal was made by a high profile politician of Delhi who met a high profile politician of Tamilnadu in London before a LTTE sympathizer.

ayyo thalai suthuthey...

Ayyo Enaku Japan-la erukura mathiri erruku.

you have pay for it...


Enthamma thamizahkathotu Kudimagal, Ocla vangi padichu than Pazakkam.

you have pay for it... I am copying the part of comedy here..

...இதைப்போலவே, தேர்தலுக்குப் பிறகும் நான் சொன்னது நிச்சயமாக நடக்கும்!'' என்றார் சுவாமி.

கேட்ட நமக்குத்தான் கிர்ரடித்தது!

Thank you. Has Su. Swamy said this? I cant beleive it.. Looks like total bluff. One thing i am very sure is that either JJ or Karuna (or stalin) is going to be the CM in 50 days.

The London VVIP is italy kaari for sure. She just now returned from london.

^^

I don't think so.. how she will have links to puli atharvalar?

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ADMK manifesto in online..

http://www.aiadmkallindia.org/AIADMK%20Election%20Manifesto%20-%20Tamil%20Nadu%20State.pdf

I couldn't get the link for DMK manifesto.

Both the parties will surely have some sensible promises/vision, but our media has blown only the freebies.:bash:

60,000 cows free to 6000 villages by ADMK for milk production... :lol:

Ithu captain's promise in 2006 election... will they import cow from abroad?

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4 goat free for BPL families...

^^

I don't think so.. how she will have links to puli atharvalar?



Hmmm Su. Swamy has repeatedly aroused this suspicion that Sonia is a hidden LTTE supporter (also that she is a KGB agent). He has cited circumstantial evidence for this. There are some youtube videos too. Wait I will try to get those.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6575612467156039547&hl=en#

Watch this. It is one of those revealing Swamy videos. I watched this long time ago - so not sure what is the content. I will watch it again. If it isnt already obvious, I am a big fan of his. One of the most honest politician I have ever seen.

Btw u dont have to have any doubt about who is that Delhi VVIP. Its Sonia 100%. She was the one who was in London till 22nd. Thats the reason why congress list approval got delayed.

^^

I don't think so.. how she will have links to puli atharvalar?

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ADMK manifesto in online..

http://www.aiadmkallindia.org/AIADMK%20Election%20Manifesto%20-%20Tamil%20Nadu%20State.pdf

I couldn't get the link for DMK manifesto.

Both the parties will surely have some sensible promises/vision, but our media has blown only the freebies.:bash:


Item no 34.

Monrail for Chennai, Coimbatore, Trichy and Madurai. :nuts:

^^ That's true!! The manifesto does have good initiatives too. Perhaps DMK has that too. Can some DMK fans share it here if you find it online? :) Anyways does it matter? Will the parties honor non-freebie promises?

The only good thing (good freebie like social security), I found on media from DMK was the free check up for senior citizens. Similarly media just listed water and 3-phase from ADMK manifesto

No. 37

I think she has seen KT's anti Chennai rants :lol::lol::lol:

ADMK manifesto says this with respect to inflation and commodity prices

"On-line trading exchange Vanmuraialargalal thittamittu ethrapadum vilaivasi etram thadukka padum. Avargal meedhu nadavadikkai edukka padum"

Ennaya madhiri aalungalukku than solrangala? Whoever writes in personal finance thread be careful :)

Dont blame amma for starting it. Everything was fine till 2006.
And dont blame Cho - He was the one who brought together Moopanar - Kalaignar and Rajni in 96 against amma.
CBE_Poonakutty,
She criticized freebies earlier and now joins the game despite the mammoth corruptions reaching upto thatha family. If one knows its bad prescription, and yet takes it, then observers can blame Amma for hypocrisy at the least.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for political operators like Cho, Radia and the likes.

No. 37

I think she has seen KT's anti Chennai rants :lol::lol::lol:

That's one good reason non-chennaites should vote for her :cheers:

-Investment which got concentrated in Chennai will be spread towards south TN, East and West TN

- Madurai-Tuticorin industrial corridor

- 10,000cr investment will be invited in shipping sector

- Aero park in South TN

- Tiruppur's polluted effluents problem will be solved.

- Single window system for FDI

- TNSTC/SETC will be modernized and modern buses will be operated in all the routes.

New road from Chennai to Kanyakumari one the coast... appo ECR enna??:lol:

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Above all are fair points and the realistic ones. Surely DMK manifesto will have such stuffs, medias to be blammed. :bash:

^^ That's true!! The manifesto does have good initiatives too. Perhaps DMK has that too. Can some DMK fans share it here if you find it online? :) Anyways does it matter? Will the parties honor non-freebie promises?

The only good thing (good freebie like social security), I found on media from DMK was the free check up for senior citizens. Similarly media just listed water and 3-phase from ADMK manifesto

KT, Is it fair to say with Amma's manifesto out in the open, looks like both the parties have succeeded in uniting the forum members all sharing the common disgust with both the parties?

CBE_Poonakutty,
She criticized freebies earlier and now joins the game despite the mammoth corruptions reaching upto thatha family. If one knows its bad prescription, and yet takes it, then observers can blame Amma for hypocrisy at the least.



Mainstream politics is hypocrisy. I am not going to list the events when Karuna was hypocritic and be sucked into the debate of who is worse!!

Sorry, I have no sympathy for political operators like Cho, Radia and the likes.

Oh common, comparing cho and radia?? is it fair??

KT, Is it fair to say with Amma's manifesto out in the open, looks like both the parties have succeeded in uniting the forum members all sharing the common disgust with both the parties?

Yes and No when it comes to me. No because DMK manifesto talks of greater-Chennai while ADMK's talks about spreading investment (Whether it's going to happen in reality or not is a different issue, atleast nice to hear some CM probable saying it)

That's one good reason non-chennaites should vote for her :cheers:

True! As usual Chennai didn't find any importance in that manifesto...:lol:

Rejecting the freebies like mixie, grinder, free pass above 58, laptops to all students... many points are for agriculturem, rural, micro economy also few on macro economy. Except monorail nothing on infra!

No bullet train.. atleast they could have annouced gvt will open a airline company and run flights from Chennai to Coimbatore, Madurai, Trichy, Salem and Tuticorin with omni bus fares...:lol:

Oh common, comparing cho and radia?? is it fair??
If journalists start wheeling and dealing with politicans and start controlling the outcome, then they are players and yes they can be clubbed together, even though some may be able to enunciate and influence better.

Yes and No when it comes to me. No because DMK manifesto talks of greater-Chennai while ADMK's talks about spreading investment (Whether it's going to happen in reality or not is a different issue, atleast nice to hear some CM probable saying it)
Still you pet peeve, eh? :)
With DMK, Greater Chennai can happen if Ramados allows it. With AIADMK, Improved CBE will not happen even if God proposes let alone a greater one. :)

Yes and No when it comes to me. No because DMK manifesto talks of greater-Chennai while ADMK's talks about spreading investment (Whether it's going to happen in reality or not is a different issue, atleast nice to hear some CM probable saying it)

You may think that investment is not spread evenly etc, but the fact is that even though DMK/gov. ask companies to set up units elsewhere other than Chennai, no one is ready and investors start looking at other states. That is why the high concentration of investments/factories in Chennai.

Except monorail nothing on infra!



Not true!!!

I will start with first point. remember rural infra is infra too!!

1. 30000 hectares to be brought under micro irrigation
Food processing parks to be established
Refrigerated go downs in rural areas

3. Drip irrigation scheme free for all farmers.

5. 1500 tele medicine centres

7. Computerization of power distribution.
5000 Mw would be added by 2013
1000 Mw generated by bio waste
10 solar energy parks each 300 mw adding to 3000 mw.
200 * 160 Kw bio gas plants
All street lights will be run through solar power

8. Mega food parks in each district head quarters


to be cont...

With DMK, Greater Chennai can happen if Ramados allows it.

I have high hopes on Ramadoss when it comes to this. Hope he keeps up his good work.

And yeah, proud to say that it's my pet peeve:)

If journalists start wheeling and dealing with politicans and start controlling the outcome, then they are players and yes they can be clubbed together, even though some may be able to enunciate and influence better.




yeah whatever. I will take the word of Cho anyday over some goofy 007 wannabe in a public forum.

You may think that investment is not spread evenly etc, but the fact is that even though DMK/gov. ask companies to set up units elsewhere other than Chennai, no one is ready and investors start looking at other states. That is why the high concentration of investments/factories in Chennai.

That's absolute bullshit. I know that the company I worked for backed out because of power situation and no solid completion date for TIDEL park in CBE. First hand experience you see :)

Anyways, if investors are not ready to look beyond chennai whose problem is it? Who do you think should fix it? Definitely not you and me. The government should provide level playing field for all cities

You may think that investment is not spread evenly etc, but the fact is that even though DMK/gov. ask companies to set up units elsewhere other than Chennai, no one is ready and investors start looking at other states. That is why the high concentration of investments/factories in Chennai.

That is because first family have all their assets concentrated in sennai (opps sounds like Sendai) :nuts:

If TN gvt (not mean DMK or ADMK) can market the cities properly it can do wonders, no one tried it except opening Kalyana mandapams in the name of IT parks.

dunno much but I remember gov. urging dell to setup unit elsewhere other than chennai. Then they started looking at Hyderabad, so the gov. had to accept dell's demands.

True investers were not ready to go to Tier 2 city except CBE and unfort. there is no free land in CBE districts(CBE district is more densely populated then Thiru. and Kanche..)

yeah whatever. I will take the word of Cho anyday over some goofy 007 wannabe in a public forum.
Just a friendly advice which may hold you good if you choose to take it: Focus on the topic than the member. If you choose the latter then you expose the lack of substantial points in your argument. Sometimes its just better to agree to disagree and walk away with dignity and respect of other members. Just a thought, feel free to ignore.

3. Drip irrigation scheme free for all farmers....

There is already a scheme. The trouble with this is currently the money goes to the agent who supplies and sets up the drip. (the cheque arrives with the agent's name). The agent eats the money and does not pay the farmer. It is a good scheme but poor execution.

I have high hopes on Ramadoss when it comes to this. Hope he keeps up his good work.

And yeah, proud to say that it's my pet peeve:)
Just because of Chennai's developement, is it a good idea to vote for some one who throws the monkey wrench at the entire state's development?

9. Modern makkal sandhais

11. 6 textile SEZ

12. 10 apparel parks

15. Clubbing 30 - 40 villages together and providing road, tele communication facility to each cluster.

19. 13 fish processing parks.

23. Plastic roads in villages using Thiagaraja Engineering College plastic technology.

28. TN rivers to be interlinked using PPP mode.

33. Intensifying rural BPO's

34. Mono rail in Chennai, Cbe, Madurai, Trichy.

36. technological upgradation of police forces.

37. Madurai - Thoothukudi - Aruppukottai industrial corridor.
Aero park in south TN.
10000 crore investment through private sector in ship building.

46. Upgradation of 108 ambulance service.

52. Road along the entire stretch of TN coast.

I went through it very fast. So I might have left some.

Just a thought, feel free to ignore.

Thanks for giving me the choice. I will ignore.

Before people start quoting the post and saying this wont be implemented, that wont be implemented - I just posted from the manifesto.. I am not swearing those will be implemented. It might be, it might not be. I just posted it because Arul told there are no infra promises, thats it.

Just because of Chennai's developement, is it a good idea to vote for some one who throws the monkey wrench at the entire state's development?

Why not? Our tax money is well spent for the last 63 years in the name of developing metros in India (NOTE: Not saying that they developed metros). So why not spend some money in the name of our cities and town development?

Atleast give us those crippled / half-broken flyovers that those metros have which lasts for a rain and turns automatically to a medu (cliff) instead of road. And give us those underground drainage with manhole open that creates an artificial drainage fountain:) All these sound so cool to us, we have heard of those fun in Chennai but we miss all those fun. Bring it on I say :)

Why not? Our tax money is well spent for the last 63 years in the name of developing metros in India (NOTE: Not saying that they developed metros). So why not spend some money in the name of our cities and town development?

Atleast give us those crippled / half-broken flyovers that those metros have which lasts for a rain and turns automatically to a medu (cliff) instead of road. And give us those underground drainage with manhole open that creates an artificial drainage fountain:) All these sound so cool to us, we have heard of those fun in Chennai but we miss all those fun. Bring it on I say :)
Yes, CBE has to be developed along with other cities. In fact the classical meet did more of CBE in a short span of time. We should insist other cities be developed also, but would be helpful if we concentrate just on uplifting the other cities also, and not denigrating the capital.

If elected to power, Amma may do the following top priority things :lol:

a) Shifting the HQ from the new complex to Fort St George. 500 crores of tax payer money down the drain. But she may make it as a centralized library competing with Kotturpuram to gain some brownie points

b) Stop the Chennai Metro and introduce Monorail which will take the transportation plans back by another 10 years.

c) Stop the Kalaignar insurance scheme and introduce JJ insurance scheme

Yes, CBE has to be developed along with other cities. In fact the classical meet did more of CBE in a short span of time. We should insist other cities be developed also, but would be helpful if we concentrate just on uplifting the other cities also, and not denigrating the capital.

Till now, no amma fan clearly established what JJ did for Coimbatore in her last 2 terms. At least the road infrastructure got improved in the last 5 years due to the Tamil conference and solid progress was made on TIDEL park.

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/431467.php

Chennai, Mar. 24: The Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram,Jayendra Saraswati launched a political outfit in poll-bound Tamil Nadu on Wednesday.

The Tamil Nadu Desiya Aanmiga Makkal Katchi (Tamil Nadu National Spiritual People's Party) has not announced a political manifesto.

However, it is reported to be against religious conversions and cow slaughter.

The party flag shows a raised fist on a saffron circle against a red backdrop.

The formal launch attracted politicians, businesspersons and many followers from different walks of life.

Lawmaker Maneka Gandhi, whose son's wedding was solemnized by the Shankaracharya, termed the party's launch as a step in the right direction.

"I am sure that whatever Shankaracharya does he does for the good of India, he does for the good of the people, and I am sure whatever step he takes will result in further happiness for everyone in this country. I have always been a follower of his," said Gandhi, a lawmaker of the Bharatiya Janata Party.

The Shankaracharya does not to hold any position in the new party, led by businessman Avadi Ravichandran.

The party would not be hosting elections in near future but has prepared a manifesto with regard to welfare of the Hindu community
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Pavan romba than bayandu poyirukkaru since JJ is tipped to come back to power. :lol: Amma vandu enna padu padutha porangulo!

India won the match against aussie.. :banana:

Ponting face இஞ்சி தின்ன குரங்கு மாதிரி இருந்துச்சு