As Arul Said, I'm neither against any one nor supporting one. But I feel Leo's rating is too high given the fact that there are power shutdowns every day.

how long do you think it takes to build a coal power plant? i am sure you don't know. if i say, it takes atleast 5 years to build a coal based power plant, would be blame the state government or central government for power shortage in tn? what was the track record of previous state government in tn to build new power plants?

and how did the parties in tamil nadu support nuclear deal - deal to get better nuclear technology and more importantly access to nuclear fuel?

To add a few more points.

The other cities of TN have been given only lip service (resulting in sky rocketing real estate which actually dampened the real industrial growth).

Lot of things could have been done for Coimbatore, Trichy, Madurai, Salem, Tuticorin etc during the boom period. Except IT sector, all other sectors (traditionally strong) have been neglected. Coimbatore Tiruppur Karur region is reeling under recession in big way due to flawed Govt. policies.

kannan, indian economic boom started since 2000. and you are probably forgetting that it was during previous state government that administrators consciously decided to promote chennai instead of other cities. there are enough links on the internet that you could search. i am basicially talking about sipcot, tidco etc who found that promoting such tier 2 cities yielded very little results and so tn was loosing investments. eventually they created land banks around chennai and tn got comparatively larger pie of investment flows in india.

also, it is not fair that you say other regions did not benefit. infact, i am sore at successive central & state governments that provide huge rural sops (nreg scheme, free rice, tv etc) that obviously go towards to benefit primarily these districts/regions you mentioned. this is less productive and unless private enterprises start creating jobs in these regions, governments would continue to subsidize such programs and metros such as chennai continue to suffer from want of much superior infrastructure.

people all the time want the best for themselves. but they need to pay for better services. and when some administrator figures out a way to privatize some project, say sewage/drainage or airport, people refuse to pay for it. if that is so, why expect inefficient government to do such things. chennai can definitely attract private investment for many infrastructure projects such as metro, airport and the buses. and it is sad that government wants to control all that and bleed this city to distribute income to rest of tn.

Coming to central Govt, we must accept that the price rise of all provisions in the last five years were unprecedented.... Good Rice selling at Rs 35 , oil prices soaring ...

I do not subscribe to any party , but the only power the people of India have is to punish periodically the erring parties, so that all the parties are kept in check...

More than developement, the basic traits of governance like law and order and control of prices of essential commodities are very important for day to day life of common people.

Anirudh
Salem

oil prices soared? infact it was the opposite. central government policies were stupid in not letting petrol & diesel prices to soar. in any case, if crude oil prices rise why do you say current indian government is to be blamed for it? likewise the price of rice which is also determined internationally. and why should government control prices of essential commodities? if indian consumers cannot pay market price, let the farmers earn more by selling to international consumers. for decades together agri fetched no income. i got into agriculture recently because we believe food & energy prices will rise and stay high for a long time. and we seriously hope government stops intervening to control any specific sector.

and btw, inflation every where & always is a monetary phenomenon. if central banks print more money than what the economy produces, you would have inflation. this is such a simple concept that even rbi governors/fed chairman don't understand. if you are interested in a more serious debate on inflation, i suggest you read peter schiff.

Arul, I appreciate your eye for details, and agony in not seeing Projects getting completed in time. In India,Project planning, Project Management, timely arrangement for Cash flow, Labour productivity, Judicial interventions, Public cooperation all come into play rather negatively, more so with Public sector /Govt projects. That explains delay in most projects. Even Turnkey projects like Koodankulam Power plants are behind schedule by nearly 3 years.

However, once projects are cleared, provision made in Budget. we can see them completed one day. In that sense TN had lots of things going in its favour during the last few years. In two/three years ,we will see most NHs Four laned and trains running with Electrical locomotives upto Nagarkovil..

TN should opt for Urban Development and Water Resources ministries in the next Govt, and aim to interconnect all rivers , provide water supply and U/G Drainage for all Urban settlements and banish HUTS from TN.

Looks like , You are a very tough task master. Had you been my Examinar, I would have hardly passed .. Less than 40 percent... Cheers!

But the railways state minister Velu and earlier Moorthy have done a lot. TR Baalu has done better in some and blundered in most. Dayanidhi Maran may be the one who was too pushy but also with success.

Good summary of these individuals. Actually, Velu an ex-IAS officer has done a rather remarkable job. Being in the shadow of Lalu he is not highlighted much, but his quiet no nonsense, get things done attitude is not going unnoticed. Sometimes the most unlikely of ministers turns out to be good for India. He is one of them. Maran's replacement is not doing much other that tending to the office. One babu who is doing a fantastic job is Commerce Secretary G.K. Pillai, IAS, Kerala cadre. He has done a major job in getting SEZs approved very quickly.

This is a crucial time for India in which, after decades of stagnation of poor growth, is getting to a plateau of high growth. The custodians at the top need to be dynamic and innovative. Most things require tear down and rebuild. The new rebuild will endure for a while and they need to think of its impact on the society.

how long do you think it takes to build a coal power plant? i am sure you don't know. if i say, it takes atleast 5 years to build a coal based power plant, would be blame the state government or central government for power shortage in tn? what was the track record of previous state government in tn to build new power plants?

and how did the parties in tamil nadu support nuclear deal - deal to get better nuclear technology and more importantly access to nuclear fuel?
^^

How are you sure that you know that I didn't know... Please not to assume too much.
At least I can assure you, the first project Arul mentioned in the previous power plant project was announced in 2006-june26, just less than 45 days of DMK in power, now I can assure you that the project plans was started earlier, like requirement analysis, study for stability, study of safty measurement, cost analysis and so on.. and I doubt that all could have been completed in less than 45 days. and announced the project at the cost of 2475cr.


I'm sorry to bring specific example here. I brought it as you warranted it.

Please read the content, it would say that there is a drop in investment for the year 2005-2006, the end year of AIADMK previous regime, it didn't mean that they didn't do any ground work.
http://www.projectsmonitor.com/detailnews.asp?newsid=11733

Similarly desalination project plans.
http://www.ifc.org/ifcext/spiwebsite1.nsf/1ca07340e47a35cd85256efb00700cee/3DF0C3D8827C735285257178006439DF

I feel that the people emotion overlooks the data.

kannan, indian economic boom started since 2000. and you are probably forgetting that it was during previous state government that administrators consciously decided to promote chennai instead of other cities. there are enough links on the internet that you could search. i am basicially talking about sipcot, tidco etc who found that promoting such tier 2 cities yielded very little results and so tn was loosing investments. eventually they created land banks around chennai and tn got comparatively larger pie of investment flows in india.

also, it is not fair that you say other regions did not benefit. infact, i am sore at successive central & state governments that provide huge rural sops (nreg scheme, free rice, tv etc) that obviously go towards to benefit primarily these districts/regions you mentioned. this is less productive and unless private enterprises start creating jobs in these regions, governments would continue to subsidize such programs and metros such as chennai continue to suffer from want of much superior infrastructure.

people all the time want the best for themselves. but they need to pay for better services. and when some administrator figures out a way to privatize some project, say sewage/drainage or airport, people refuse to pay for it. if that is so, why expect inefficient government to do such things. chennai can definitely attract private investment for many infrastructure projects such as metro, airport and the buses. and it is sad that government wants to control all that and bleed this city to distribute income to rest of tn.


We are talking about the development here. Not to support one party or other. Though Chennai has had a good measure of SOPs and incentives (I welcome that) the development in other regions of TN were like knee jerk measures. Failure of SIPCOT and SIDCO (without any forethought and also based on outdated old data) in rest of TN were precisely DUE TO the bad planning of the Govts. Hapazard growth also does not augur well.

How was Coimbatore earlier and why it is in dumps now? How Hosur was developed? Why Tuticorin with all its great advantages is not prospering as we would like that to be? Why Tatas are being hounded out wrt the Titanium project? Why Salem was not developed even though it can make the best Logistics hub for all southern states? Why the coastal areas of TN are primitive even today? What happened to Jayamkondan power project?

What has been the traditional strength of TN? Why IT only was taken up and other sectors neglected? Why Gujarat has prospered so much in spite of not spectacular growth in IT?

Industrialisation has been grossly misunderstood here. It is mixed with real estate development. The entry of all the RE Biggies have actually spoiled the industrial scene.

Power and Infrastructure are the basic needs for industries to prosper whether in Chennai or the districts. Successive Govts have miserably failed in long term development of these basic sectors.

kannan, indian economic boom started since 2000.

^^
come on, between mid 2000 and mid 2003 economy was in bad state.

kannan, indian economic ....

also, it is not fair that you say other regions did not benefit. infact, i am sore at successive central & state governments that provide huge rural sops (nreg scheme, free rice, tv etc) that obviously go towards to benefit primarily these districts/regions you mentioned. this is less productive and unless private enterprises start creating jobs in these regions, governments would continue to subsidize such programs and metros such as chennai continue to suffer from want of much superior infrastructure.

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I wanted to point out that kannan mentioned cities like coimbatore n trippur which are industrialised and huge rural sops provided by the central n state govt will not benefit thousands of SMB's located here.

^^
come on, between mid 2000 and mid 2003 economy was in bad state.

and your point is? that previous tn government too made just lip service?

and your point is? that previous tn government too made just lip service?
Did I comment on that?

தி.மு.க
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சென்னை வடக்கு-----டி.கே.எஸ்.இளங்கோவன்
மத்திய சென்னை-----தயாநிதி மாறன்
ஸ்ரீபெரும்புதூர்-------டி.ஆர்.பாலு
அரக்கோணம்-------எஸ்.ஜெகத்ரட்சகன்
கள்ளக்குறிச்சி-------ஆதி.சங்கர்
நீலகிரி (தனி)------ஆ.ராசா
நாகப்பட்டினம் (தனி)- ஏ.கே.எஸ்.விஜயன்
தஞ்சாவூர்----------எஸ்.எஸ்.பழனிமாணிக்கம்
மதுரை-----------மு.க.அழகிரி
ராமநாதபுரம்-------ஜே.கே.ரித்திஷ்
தூத்துக்குடி--------எஸ்.ஆர்.ஜெயதுரை
கன்னியாகுமரி------ஜெ.ஹெலன் டேவிட்சன்
திருவண்ணாமலை----த.வேணுகோபால்
பெரம்பலூர்--------நெப்போலியன்

காங்கிரஸ்
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காஞ்சீபுரம் (தனி)---பி.விசுவநாதன்
திண்டுக்கல்--------என்.எஸ்.வி.சித்தன்
கடலூர்---------- கே.எஸ்.அழகிரி
தேனி------------ஆரூண்
விருதுநகர்---------மாணிக் தாக்கூர்
திருநெல்வேலி------ராமசுப்பு
புதுவை----------நாராயணசாமி

சிதம்பரம் (தனி)- திருமாவளவன் (வி.சிறுத்தைகள்)

அ.தி.மு.க
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திருவள்ளூர் (தனி)---டாக்டர் வேணுகோபால்
சென்னை தெற்கு-----ராசேந்திரன்
விழுப்புரம்-------- எம்.ஆனந்தன்
திருச்சி-----------ப.குமார்
மயிலாடுதுறை------ஓ.எஸ்.மணியன்
சேலம்-----------செம்மலை
பொள்ளாச்சி (தனி)--கே.சுகுமார்

வேலூர்--------அப்துல் ரஹ்மான் (இ.யூ.மு.லீக்)
ஈரோடு--------அ.கணேசமூர்த்தி (ம.தி.மு.க)
கோவை-------பி.ஆர்.நடராஜன் (மா.கம்யூ)

முன்னணி நிலவரம்
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தி.மு.க

கிருஷ்ணகிரி--------இ.ஜி.சுகவனம்
தர்மபுரி--------------தாமரைச்செல்வன்
நாமக்கல்----------சே.காந்தி செல்வன்

காங்கிரஸ்
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ஆரணி------------ எம்.கிருஷ்ணசாமி


அ.தி.மு.க
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திருப்பூர்---- சி.சிவசாமி
கரூர்----மு.தம்பிதுரை

தென்காசி (தனி)---லிங்கம் (இ.கம்யூ)

Just results updates

^^

I see the complete Chennai(Thiruvallur)-Vellore-Salem-Erode-Tiruppur-Coimbatore completely went against the present central government.

What could be the reason?

People says that DMK+ has won in other seats because of developments. What about the Chennai-Coimbatore belt? People are not happy with the central gvt?

Now another 5 years this region is not going to send any minsters to the centre, so let us forget about the central gvt and even state gvt projects.:bash:

^^

I see the complete Chennai(Thiruvallur)-Vellore-Salem-Erode-Tiruppur-Coimbatore completely went against the present central government.

What could be the reason?

People says that DMK+ has won in other seats because of developments. What about the Chennai-Coimbatore belt? People are not happy with the central gvt?

Now another 5 years this region is not going to send any minsters to the centre, so let us forget about the central gvt and even state gvt projects.:bash:

Arul,
looks like the whole of Kongu Belt ( salem, erode, tirupur, karur, kovai and pollachi) has uniformly voted against the CONG-DMK alliance. Really sad to kow that there would be no representation from this region. I guess the Powercut problem has taken its toll on Ruling Alliance.

Arul,
looks like the whole of Kongu Belt ( salem, erode, tirupur, karur, kovai and pollachi) has uniformly voted against the CONG-DMK alliance. Really sad to kow that there would be no representation from this region. I guess the Powercut problem has taken its toll on Ruling Alliance.

I have a different reading, it is more on the congress ministers, leaders who have not contributed to their constituency, Salem had lot of grudge with the sitting MP who has not done any contribution on his own ,,,e.g airport lying idle... in the same way people have rejected in other tier 2 cities like trichy, cbe etc ... DMK had their ministers working for TN but congress leaders were busy fighting with each other and thought that they can anyhow win with the help of regional parties. Good lesson to them...
However i still hope we will get improvements in our area thro DMK ministers...
Anirudh
Salem

I have a different reading, it is more on the congress ministers, leaders who have not contributed to their constituency, Salem had lot of grudge with the sitting MP who has not done any contribution on his own ,,,e.g airport lying idle... in the same way people have rejected in other tier 2 cities like trichy, cbe etc ... DMK had their ministers working for TN but congress leaders were busy fighting with each other and thought that they can anyhow win with the help of regional parties. Good lesson to them...
However i still hope we will get improvements in our area thro DMK ministers...
Anirudh
Salem


Very much true, most of the seats (erode, tirupur, salem and kovai) were given to incumbent, non-performing congress candidates. May be some new DMK candidates could have won some seats or atleast given some tough fight like in Namakkal or Nilgiris. However it is to be noted that even DMK candidates could not win in Pollachi and Karur. It is possible that the KMP floated by dominant kongu vellalar community, could have attributed to the loss of votes.

But it is sad that T.R. Balu lost as he did a good job. Again the case of CBE is very sad again no one will be bothered about CBE but Madurai may be lucky.

I dont care even if Lalu is standing in tamil nadu as long as he develops us

But it is sad that T.R. Balu lost as he did a good job. Again the case of CBE is very sad again no one will be bothered about CBE but Madurai may be lucky.

balu not elected is the problem owing to hyundai - workers strike.its nothing to do with his credential everybody is bothered about their daily life

balu not elected is the problem owing to hyundai - workers strike.its nothing to do with his credential everybody is bothered about their daily life


wait a sec, I thought TR Balu won the election against AK Moorthy with a margin of 25K votes. Are you guys talking about the same Balu??

^^T.R. Balu won in Sreeperumbudur

But it is sad that T.R. Balu lost as he did a good job. Again the case of CBE is very sad again no one will be bothered about CBE but Madurai may be lucky.

T.R Balu has won. For change we could see more developments in Madurai and southern districts.

Let we look forward for the development of TN..in coming years..its unfortunate for not having clear mandate ..:)

Good to see that majority of TN voters were very Sober and elected representatives for deveopment. Congress deserves the punishment. I would have preferred PC to lose the elction as he has kept Sivagangai dist as one of the most backward dists in TN. Now a case will be filed on the flip flop in announcing the result.

Premptive conclusive forecasts by Ram,Cho, and others including English News Channels were not based on ground reality but on motives.

Hope to see another five years of solid development. And I pity Ramadoss and Co.

T.R Balu has won. For change we could see more developments in Madurai and southern districts.

Lets not get carried away by Azhagiri's victory. Everyone knows how money power and muscle power played a big role in Madurai election. Azhagiri has so far been famous for all the bad things which have happened. Lets only hope that this responsibility changes him, and also the bright future ahead of him only makes him to deliver good for Madurai in particular and south TN in general.

And BTW this is my 2000 post. I hope i would be able to actively participate in the forum, which in the past few months i havent been able to.

Good to see that majority of TN voters were very Sober and elected representatives for deveopment. Congress deserves the punishment. I would have preferred PC to lose the elction as he has kept Sivagangai dist as one of the most backward dists in TN. Now a case will be filed on the flip flop in announcing the result.

Premptive conclusive forecasts by Ram,Cho, and others including English News Channels were not based on ground reality but on motives.

Hope to see another five years of solid development. And I pity Ramadoss and Co.

Let ramdoss rest for couple of years from politics and do social service. Then he can claim a public role.

Lets not get carried away by Azhagiri's victory. Everyone knows how money power and muscle power played a big role in Madurai election. Azhagiri has so far been famous for all the bad things which have happened. Lets only hope that this responsibility changes him, and also the bright future ahead of him only makes him to deliver good for Madurai in particular and south TN in general.

And BTW this is my 2000 post. I hope i would be able to actively participate in the forum, which in the past few months i havent been able to.

Great Job Madurai Veeran

Lets not get carried away by Azhagiri's victory. Everyone knows how money power and muscle power played a big role in Madurai election. Azhagiri has so far been famous for all the bad things which have happened. Lets only hope that this responsibility changes him, and also the bright future ahead of him only makes him to deliver good for Madurai in particular and south TN in general.

And BTW this is my 2000 post. I hope i would be able to actively participate in the forum, which in the past few months i havent been able to.

Congrates.. We missed one of the senior most member of TN forumers for long time.....

You have lot of reason to participate activily.. We believe, MAdurai will get some attention atleast from now onwards...

They were emotionally tied down and have failed to see the bigger picture.

Nope, that cannot be the main reason.

Trichy people might have taught lesson to the central and state government considering the facts on development. Trichy airport new terminal and half completed 4 lane was the main infrastructural project taken for the Trichy, nothing on new integrated major bus terminal, electrification of Villupuram-Trichy not yet commissioned and paper doubling projects and IT parks.... and no new major investments except BHEL.

Every one knows how Madurai, Tirunelveli, Tuticorin and Ramanathapuram went to ruling gvt hands because of the vitamin "M"

Let us see atleast now, how the state government gears up the projects and developments of tier II cities like Coimbatore, Trichy and Salem which taught a lesson for the ruling central gvt.

^^
i don't know what lesson you talk about. tn elections are generally about alliance arithmetic with small percentage floating voters who vote based on what they see as merits. based on past elections, expectations were for aiadmk alliance to win anywhere between 20-35 seats this time. but the results were completely different.

this means aiadmk+ performed poorly in this election with pmk getting a major drubbing. and dmk has performed extremely well winning 18 of 22 seats inspite of strong aiadmk alliance. this is 2 more than previous lok sabha elections. it is essentially a pro government vote. complete analysis is yet to be published, but as of now these are the only lessons to learn from the results.

and it is not just the central government that has the role in improving infrastructure of such tier 2 cities. local mp, mlas & municipal councillors have a larger responsibility. and cities should vote representatives (mp, mlas & local councillors) who can get them done.

DMK wants 7 Cabinet berths in the new UPA govt
17 May 2009, 1237 hrs IST, AGENCIES

Source (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/DMK-wants-7-Cabinet-berths-in-the-new-UPA-govt/articleshow/4542335.cms)


CHENNAI: Having played a key role in ensuring a United Progressive Alliance's success in Tamil Nadu, the M.Karunanidhi-led Dravida Munnettra
Kazhagam is likely to ask seven cabinet berths in the new set up of government at the Centre.

DMK wants to retain Surface Transport and IT ministry among others, a Times Now report quoted sources as saying on Sunday.

DMK sources had earlier stated that they were eyeing cabinet posts for Kanimozhi, Maran and Azhagiri.

Sources said that DMK chief and chief minister of Tamil Nadu, M. Karunanidhi would visit the national capital on Monday (May 18) to meet Congress president Sonia Gandhi over the matter.

Putting up a strong showing, the UPA constituents DMK and Congress were racing to capture a lion's share of the 39 Lok Sabha seats in Tamil Nadu. "I give credit to the DMK government in Tamil Nadu. The mandate is clear," said Maran, former Communication and IT Minister.

M K Azhagiri, Chief Minister M Karunanidhi's son, registered success from the Madurai Lok Sabha seat trouncing CPI-M's P Mohan by a margin of over 140,000 votes.


For sure Maran would get IT portfolio I guess and TR Balu - Highways and shipping. Dunno wat others would get.. Don't think congress will give 7 portfolios to DMK... lets see.

With Lalu and Ram Vilas Paswan being out of the equation, DMK might eye one of these two key ministries (Railways or Steel). Lets see..

It may be speculation,one of the news channel was saying Mr.Azhagiri is eyeing Surface Transport and TR Balu Railways.But, Sonya is keen in bringing Lalu back.Lets wait and see what happens.

It may be speculation,one of the news channel was saying Mr.Azhagiri is eyeing Surface Transport and TR Balu Railways.But, Sonya is keen in bringing Lalu back.Lets wait and see what happens.

Lalu is not getting any ministry IMO. Good riddance too.

First choice for Railways is Mamata Banerjee. Only then does madurai dada have a chance

^^ yes... no lalu..

Had TR Balu contested in South Chennai, he'd have lost it.. so its a tactic and they changed him to Sriperumbudur... :P

This time around, Cabinet berths will be limited to Baalu,Raja and Azhagiri. Maran will be kept out . Maran's loyalty will be under test for few years..3/4 Ministers of State positions also may be sought.

^^ I think Azhagiri, Maran and Baalu will surely get Cabinet minister posts and Kanimozhi may get a minister or atleast minister of state(MoS) post. I dont think Raja would get a minister post.

Nope, that cannot be the main reason.

Trichy people might have taught lesson to the central and state government considering the facts on development. Trichy airport new terminal and half completed 4 lane was the main infrastructural project taken for the Trichy, nothing on new integrated major bus terminal, electrification of Villupuram-Trichy not yet commissioned and paper doubling projects and IT parks.... and no new major investments except BHEL.

Every one knows how Madurai, Tirunelveli, Tuticorin and Ramanathapuram went to ruling gvt hands because of the vitamin "M"

Let us see atleast now, how the state government gears up the projects and developments of tier II cities like Coimbatore, Trichy and Salem which taught a lesson for the ruling central gvt.

I think Chennai and Madurai might benefit this term(5 years) and others will suffer. Remember state govt can do small project (JuJuPi - items like 5 to 10 Cr) but not major projects without any central help.(Projects in the range of 100 to 500 Crs). Our cong MP's and Minister even when they are in power did not do any good work.(Exception is DMK minister did it with the help of Central govt)

The fate of cities like Tirchy,Salem and CBE is going to be bad as there will be no care-takers.

This time around, Cabinet berths will be limited to Baalu,Raja and Azhagiri. Maran will be kept out . Maran's loyalty will be under test for few years..3/4 Ministers of State positions also may be sought.

1) Maran for IT

Other things I feel TR Balu should get something good like Surface transport or Railways so that he can do more good for TN

One more important portfolio is Industries that I want someone from DMK to get.
Getting items like Foreign ministry and home ministry is no use to TN.

I wish Sonia just gives one post to TN cong and rest all to DMK since they are the people who can do something.

Also I heard Indsutry is happy with Raja and they are lobbying for him not sure but rumors going on.

I have faith in Karu's ability to get some good pie from Central and he won't do the same mistake he did last time by Firing Maran from Ministry.

1) Maran for IT

Other things I feel TR Balu should get something good like Surface transport or Railways so that he can do more good for TN

One more important portfolio is Industries that I want someone from DMK to get.
Getting items like Foreign ministry and home ministry is no use to TN.

I wish Sonia just gives one post to TN cong and rest all to DMK since they are the people who can do something.

Also I heard Indsutry is happy with Raja and they are lobbying for him not sure but rumors going on.

I have faith in Karu's ability to get some good pie from Central and he won't do the same mistake he did last time by Firing Maran from Ministry.

South Madras is where all IT companies are present, where AIADMK won. What are the chances that IT will prosper in current recession time?
Hopes of moving to 2tire cities is also confusing, since CBE & Tiruchi went to Left & AIADMK. If there is no actual rift between Mr. Alagiri and Mr Maran then there is chance of Madurai developing as IT hub has better chances..

Given those factors, Giving Mr Maran back IT Ministry, Will really be interesting. Let we wait and see.

1) Maran for IT

Other things I feel TR Balu should get something good like Surface transport or Railways so that he can do more good for TN

One more important portfolio is Industries that I want someone from DMK to get.
Getting items like Foreign ministry and home ministry is no use to TN.

I wish Sonia just gives one post to TN cong and rest all to DMK since they are the people who can do something.

Also I heard Indsutry is happy with Raja and they are lobbying for him not sure but rumors going on.

I have faith in Karu's ability to get some good pie from Central and he won't do the same mistake he did last time by Firing Maran from Ministry.

I don't think Maran will be minister this time.

This time around, Cabinet berths will be limited to Baalu,Raja and Azhagiri. Maran will be kept out . Maran's loyalty will be under test for few years..3/4 Ministers of State positions also may be sought.

I too think Maran may not get cabinet berth this time.So, Azhagiri (Surface transport), Baalu(Health), Raja (Mos for environment) and Kanimozhi(?) may get berths this time around.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/000200905181311.htm

South Madras is where all IT companies are present, where AIADMK won. What are the chances that IT will prosper in current recession time?
Hopes of moving to 2tire cities is also confusing, since CBE & Tiruchi went to Left & AIADMK. If there is no actual rift between Mr. Alagiri and Mr Maran then there is chance of Madurai developing as IT hub has better chances..

Given those factors, Giving Mr Maran back IT Ministry, Will really be interesting. Let we wait and see.

TN Govt. Policy for IT released last year made it a vision to make 25% of Indian IT industry to be in Tamil Nadu by 2011 .. So getting an IT portfolio will be very helpful to see that vision :)

This is the vision of IT Policy 2008
“Tamil Nadu shall be the ICT Hub of South Asia by creating a
knowledge driven ecosystem, leveraging entrepreneurship and
promoting socially inclusive growth to achieve a 25% production
share of the Indian ICT industry.”

DMK likely to get only 2 portfolios.. :(

Kanimozhi (Tourism) and Azhagiri (Land Transport I guess) will be gettin it for sure.

Getting Health,Tourism and Environment is Just a waste.
If we don't get Transport ,Shipping and IT or industries then really no use.

Maran contributed heavily in bringing all Telecom manufacturing to Chennai like(Nokia) and also Dell,Motorola and some of the good R&D companies like Erricsson and he was lobbing with Indian IT Giants to increase their presense in Tier 2 cities. He was instrumental in setting up a meeting with Bill gates and Karu even when karu was not CM. So I feel he is a smart guy who can help TN get more MNC software companies in TN.

If he doesn't get IT then it is of loss for TN.

Lets see if Karu understands and fights for that or be more selfish and get
items for Alagiri and kanimozhi like Tourism which is no use. Looks like we will get Transport so Alagiri will be $Billionarie in 5 years but hopefully he will do something to TN but remember IT growth is better than equivalent Industry growth since IT brings lot of money as salary when compared to other industries.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/000200905181311.htm

Another historical moment... A Heroic Warrior with single minded committment to a cause has bit the dust without realising his dream after sacrificing so many lives. History repeats... May the souls of all killed during the past 26 years of struggle rest in peace.

^^ nothing can be done so we have to be selfish and look for development tn (India) baalu should get highways or else disaster for tn plans:lol:

I am one who does not believe in regional bias and what is good for TN etc. I think the ministers have a duty to develop India not their backyard. I realize that everyone has a bias but they should not play favorites because tomorrow someone might do the same. A good minister is one who has a vision and executes from day one. There is a lot to do in every ministry.

Tourism which is being dissed here, is actually a jump starter for economic development. If India were to achieve the number of tourists per year like China or France then the benefits are enormous. Every tourist $/Rs encourages 5-10x $/Rs activity. Environment is a hot topic nowadays and it requires enlightened thinking. A lot of work is needed in this area. Same thing with health. For health India spends a meager fraction of the GDP when compared to other advanced nations.

If the leadership were to view a unit of activity as say a village or 5-10 villages and think of all possible development needs for that unit, then we can scale up every unit of India. No one is thinking along these lines. I know Kalam has a vision in PURA - urban amenities for rural areas. Having a small health clinic, a renewable energy source, good roads/connections, employment activities other than farming, schools/education infra for this unit will kick start this economy in a mind boggling way. If the needs of an unit is thought through completely/thoroughly, then economies of scale can be applied for contractors/builders to create infrastructure across India.

no matter who did what, this is a historical day in Tamil history and I am sure people in TN will be concerned. My thoughts are with all the people, who shared their thoughts and feelings this must be a very shocking moment with a lot of mixed feelings.

I hope at the end of the day, we were all victims of lies and political manipulation, those who died be it for honour, or for pride, or for a cause or in the line of duty, or as an innocent victim, irrespective of thier language or religion, they were all selfless and paid the ultimate price in which TN and India inevitable played its own role. I hope God forgives them and embraces them unconditionally as His creation, irrespective of all the mistakes they did. May all thier souls rest in peace.

But for the living, I am sure South Asia will not be the same after this and the consequences in India could also be felt. May the ties between the two countries grow and let there be more peace in the region.

This is NOT a defeat for the Tamils, and I am sure the Tamils in both the countries can learn from each other and contribute even more to society ! This is just the end of a turbulent chapter in Tamil history. Those who played thier part, as heroes and villains, probably had to go. Let us forgive them but do lets remember them for both goods and bads. But for the living, life had to move on and fresh ideas needed to take over.

Lets hope there is more peace and prosperity in the neighbourhood. My two cents and I hope I didnt derail the non-poltical stance that is usually enforced in this sub-forum too much.

Whatever happened should not cause hardship to innocent tamil civilians who are legitimate citizens of SL and Govt should take care of them and provide rights on par with the Sinhalese. After all, they are all citizens of SL.

If mistreated sooner or later, they will end up with similiar struggle and push the country backwards. Hope Govt too has learnt the lesson all these years and take right course of action.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/000200905181311.htm
Personally I feel if they didn't kill RJ then India would have supported them.

I hope Innocent Tamilians are safe and in couple of years emerge as strong nation with equal rights.

Lets see if Karu understands and fights for that or be more selfish and get
items for Alagiri and kanimozhi like Tourism which is no use. Looks like we will get Transport so Alagiri will be $Billionarie in 5 years but hopefully he will do something to TN but remember IT growth is better than equivalent Industry growth since IT brings lot of money as salary when compared to other industries.

MK knows well about the world situation on IT and economy. BPOs and Out-Sourcing might not be as easy as previous years and as well as beneficial(both to people and to them). if they get to those depts, this is the time to show their real caliber and performance. Lets wait and see.

If anyone is concerned or interested in commenting on the current news from Sri Lanka you can participate in this thread in the international section
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=36909140#post36909140

^^

Fusi,

Why blood stain in "Vel"?

Anything special behind it ?

^^

Fusi,

Why blood stain in "Vel"?

Anything special behind it ?

Its not a blood stain, its just a design.

http://news.chennaionline.com/newsitem.aspx?NEWSID=81b89fb4-8d6a-46cc-8024-266f30b164d8&CATEGORYNAME=NATL

^^

Maran, Kanimozhi and Alagiri - Central Ministers
MK - Chief Minister
Stalin - State Minister

Any other part of the world have so many powers from same family?

May be the count will increase in 2011 state election and further more in 2014 central elections.

ON A MISSION
DMK chief lands in Delhi, family and aspirants in tow
M Gunasekaran | TNN


According to sources, DMK is asking for railways for Dayanidhi Maran or TR Baalu besides the shipping ministry as it is keen on implementing the Sethusamudram ship canal project. Karunanidhi’s elder son and Madurai MP MK Azhagiri is the candidate on the wishlist for the surface transport ministry, which is currently under Baalu’s charge.
The Union health ministry, earlier held by PMK’s Anbumani Ramadoss, is also in the DMK’s sights. Rajya Sabha MP and Karunanidhi’s daughter Kanimozhi is being projected as a contender for the health portfolio. The party leadership is also interested in retaining the plum IT and communications ministry, which was held in the UPA’s previous term by Maran and A Raja. To balance power equations within the party and family, Karunanidhi is also keen to accommodate Raja, a close confidante and the party’s Dalit face.

The selection may throw up plenty of challenges as there are three ministerial hopefuls Azhagiri, Kanimozhi and Dayanidhi within the family apart from the veterans in the party like Baalu and Raja.Given that the party fared badly in western Tamil Nadu, the CM may also consider giving representation to a candidate from the dominant Kongu Vellala Gounder community of the region. Namakkal MP Gandhiselvan stands a bright chance in getting an MoS slot. Having routed the Vanniyar-backed PMK in the state, one of the three Vanniyar MPs in the party also stands a good chance.

From TOI

It would be good to see railway ministry taken by Maran who can bring a change for the railways.

^^

Maran, Kanimozhi and Alagiri - Central Ministers
MK - Chief Minister
Stalin - State Minister

Any other part of the world have so many powers from same family?

May be the count will increase in 2011 state election and further more in 2014 central elections.

No where you can see like this..
Thats why everyone call "MK Dynasty"

Next generation (grand childrens) are also in pipe line now. Like Kayalvizhi, udhaynidhi , durai dayanidhi and etc..

It may not be easy for MK to get plum posts since congress is having an upperhand,also the dependence on congress is more for DMK to save his govt, than for the congress at the centre.

Sources say that senior leaders in congress are not for yielding to DMK pressures, citing the reasons that DMK did not give them any ministries in the state.

Also there is a news that the so called ATM (any time money ) ministries should not be given to DMK this time... it is also going around in Delhi that TR Balu and ARaja were the most corrupt ministers in the earlier government and congress sources are impressing upon PM and Sonia to take care of this.

With all this background and seeing what is happening to Lalu and all the chances of MK getting a big deal is remote....


Anirudh
salem

The Dynasty from MK is very inexperienced when it comes to central ministry. The Only one who seems capable is Maran, the rest are lackluster. I heard from sources that T.R. Baalu is a power center unto himself and the DMK leader cannot reign him in. Maran should be given something worthwhile, he can swiftly change the ministry into modern thinking mode, like he did with IT/Postal Dept. Railways might me a good one for him.

The divvying up of ministries is entirely in the hands of the Congress. They may, for appeasement sake, give each of their coalition partners one plum post, the rest depends on the bargaining power of the leaders. Congress has a pretty strong hand in this election outcome. So it stands to reason that they would give their own party most of the jobs. MMS/Sonia have the last say in calling the shots, maybe Rahul too. I would like to see a young team of ministers and the old bandicoots clipped. India should project a dynamic young team for a better image of itself. Except for the steady hand of MMS/Chidambaram/Mukherjee the rest of the Congress dinosaurs can be quietly retired to oblivion.

according to news,there are only 2 cabinet berths for dmk so one for kanimozhi and azhagiri.wat they are going to do without experience,azhagiri will be best suited for defence and offence :lol:but congress will retain it

according to news,there are only 2 cabinet berths for dmk so one for kanimozhi and azhagiri.wat they are going to do without experience,azhagiri will be best suited for defence and offence :lol:but congress will retain it

Congress should offer either panchayat raj, or ministry of statistcs and programme implementation to DMK .... Tit for tat for what they had done in TN

Anirudh
salem

Congress should offer either panchayat raj, or ministry of statistcs and programme implementation to DMK .... Tit for tat for what they had done in TN

Anirudh
salem

Yes. DMK is good in statistics. Baalu was a disaster in Surface Transport. No targets were met. Even in his own south chennai constituency, the kathipara was delayed for a long time.

Raja = 2G and 3G scam

^^

Maran, Kanimozhi and Alagiri - Central Ministers
MK - Chief Minister
Stalin - State Minister

Any other part of the world have so many powers from same family?

May be the count will increase in 2011 state election and further more in 2014 central elections.

Good strategic move to have many wives and father innumerable children plus ability to fool millions by using language, caste, region etc.

^^
Baalu is a disaster in Surface Transport !!! Do you live in TN? Drive around TN man.. I don't understand why some of you join the North Indian Chorus along with English media to undermine the progress of TN in infrastructure. How do you believe that a Congress man from North is clean and will be very efficient? Pl don't get carried away by motivated campaign in CNN-IBN.Times Now and NDTV. Envious fellows could not tolerate TN taking lion's share under the Capital EX account.

ON A MISSION
DMK chief lands in Delhi, family and aspirants in tow
M Gunasekaran | TNN


According to sources, DMK is asking for railways for Dayanidhi Maran or TR Baalu besides the shipping ministry as it is keen on implementing the Sethusamudram ship canal project. Karunanidhi’s elder son and Madurai MP MK Azhagiri is the candidate on the wishlist for the surface transport ministry, which is currently under Baalu’s charge.
The Union health ministry, earlier held by PMK’s Anbumani Ramadoss, is also in the DMK’s sights. Rajya Sabha MP and Karunanidhi’s daughter Kanimozhi is being projected as a contender for the health portfolio. The party leadership is also interested in retaining the plum IT and communications ministry, which was held in the UPA’s previous term by Maran and A Raja. To balance power equations within the party and family, Karunanidhi is also keen to accommodate Raja, a close confidante and the party’s Dalit face.

The selection may throw up plenty of challenges as there are three ministerial hopefuls Azhagiri, Kanimozhi and Dayanidhi within the family apart from the veterans in the party like Baalu and Raja.Given that the party fared badly in western Tamil Nadu, the CM may also consider giving representation to a candidate from the dominant Kongu Vellala Gounder community of the region. Namakkal MP Gandhiselvan stands a bright chance in getting an MoS slot. Having routed the Vanniyar-backed PMK in the state, one of the three Vanniyar MPs in the party also stands a good chance.

From TOI

It would be good to see railway ministry taken by Maran who can bring a change for the railways.

I am not worried about anything else.

only after baalu took charge tn is seeing some progress in highways after 2004 but north are good in highways well before,it shows tn is neglected by surface minister so baalu will definitely a boon to tn:cheers:
as a state with metro city(chennai) was totally neglected by north indians wen they are in surface ministry so dont go by tv reports as we have to look for out state as we are getting good roads only after 2004 .

I am not worried about anything else.

For having good IT investments or any other investment, we need good infrastructure!!

And IT investment alone not going to develop one state....! See Gujarat is nothing in IT, but they are the most developed and economically well state in India.

Concentration is needed in all the sectors.

^^
Baalu is a disaster in Surface Transport !!! Do you live in TN? Drive around TN man.. I don't understand why some of you join the North Indian Chorus along with English media to undermine the progress of TN in infrastructure. How do you believe that a Congress man from North is clean and will be very efficient? Pl don't get carried away by motivated campaign in CNN-IBN.Times Now and NDTV. Envious fellows could not tolerate TN taking lion's share under the Capital EX account.
^^
Few questions to you, to construct kathipara, padi flyover how long it took?
being the central ministers didn't he had an influence to get the land from Army area. if he is sure that he wont get means why couldn't he quickly make a decision of changing the plan and complete the construction quickly.

and What about padi flyover? I lived in villivakkam during early period of construction, I would certainly say, by looking at the constructions going, Baalu blatantly lied that project got delayed because of land accusation. can he give the track record when he got the land? from whom, which par of the land? And when chennai corporation can build much quickly many mini flyovers (about in 10 months time), 4 years is no where near.

Tell me what is the state of chennai bypass in north chennai? by any chance do you know when it was approved? I will give you a clue I had driven from Tambaram to madurivayal in 2000- by then one side of this road was completed.

Agreed TN gets a good share of the road network during this time, but As Arul previously said most of the project was approved by previous central government in 2002. So I would still say thats not enough to tell he had done good work.

and to be frank, that could be one of the reasons that TR Baalu won this election with just a margin of 23000+ votes, where us in last election he won with margin of 2.25L votes. and in chennai south AIADMK won, it is not just a reason that barathi is new face. try to accept the ground reality.

^^
Baalu is a disaster in Surface Transport !!! Do you live in TN? Drive around TN man.. I don't understand why some of you join the North Indian Chorus along with English media to undermine the progress of TN in infrastructure. How do you believe that a Congress man from North is clean and will be very efficient? Pl don't get carried away by motivated campaign in CNN-IBN.Times Now and NDTV. Envious fellows could not tolerate TN taking lion's share under the Capital EX account.

Iam sorry to say but this comment is typical of MK , that when any english press writes about them, to say they are biased and anti Tamil.... Let us accept fundamentals, It is true that in politics all are not clean , but TR balu and raja were notorious in corruption in the last cabinet and filled up the bags of MK... this is the reason they survive in that party otherwise has no place , other than their family members ....


Anirudh
salem

Dayanidhi Maran is getting IT porfolio again :banana:

Congress says NO to TR Balu and A Raja :applause: (both of them deserves that)

"IT will be given only to Dayanidhi Maran" says congress :applause:

and Azhagiri will get another cabinet minister post. [A great Expectation from Azhagiri from ppl of TN especially Madurai to accelerate development... Lets see how does he go abt it)

Kanimozhi MoS (Independent Charge) and other 3 MoS for others.

Cong-DMK talks breakdown. DMK to give outside support to UPA govt.

No Ministry for DMK at this point of time.

Congress should Kick DMK out of alliance and take in AIADMK. !!

State govt. should also fall!

^^

Whow....

MK before election in hospital... SL tamils issue....
He couldn travel even till Trichy for campaign....

Now he traveled all the way till Delhi.... Just to save Raja #$% he is giving support from outside?

People of TN who voted for developments should hang now!!

Cong-DMK talks breakdown. DMK to give outside support to UPA govt.

No Ministry for DMK at this point of time.
TN Lost....

Congress should Kick DMK out of alliance and take in AIADMK. !!

TR Balu and Raja are the corrupt ministers. We want clean ppl to be ministers.

State govt. should also fall! And a reelection sought!

^^

even i would like to see that.
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Now every thing went to dogs....

No political solutions for Tamils in SL and nothing

in Ministry for TN..............

Tamilnadu people are the biggest fools now.

DMK knows if they pull out of UPA,there is chance of ADMK coming to UPA. At least for now, the ADMK factor and to save its govt, DMK might stick with UPA. Lets see what unfolds in near future.

TR Balu and Azagiri shud get Highways or Urban or Railways Ministry, to bring in Central Govt investments to the state.
Dayanidhi shud get any Ministry where there is scope for marketing the state, preferably IT or Tourism.
I dont think Raja and Kanimozhi would really bother about the portfolio as long as they both can stay in Delhi, i hope most people here know the reason.

DMK to give outside support.
I hope TR Baalu should have lost this election.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Talks-fail-DMK-to-give-outside-support/articleshow/4561427.cms

And as usual PC is not going to do anything to TN.

^^If DMK is out of central ministries, then big loss for TN...

No congress Big tickets in TN except PC, Again TN would move to 19 centruries atleast in Railway projects...

Congress should Kick DMK out of alliance and take in AIADMK. !!

State govt. should also fall!

You like to have JJ in CM post...

What she has done in 10 years except Veeranam Project...

Can you list out any other reasonable project in JJ government.. Seriously I don't know ..

Yes, MK should avoid family politics and should find some capable young dynamic person for the high profile ministry even if he consider Maran it's fine ...

Compared to JJ , I believe MK and his government is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar Better...

^^

Surely for Urban developments one will vote for DMK

But for rural developments(how this forum will know:lol:) ADMK gvt did more good.... like local roads/waters.

And next is law and order.....! Every one knows about that....

And no much dynasty type or "Kurunilla Mannar rule" in ths state level and district level,

One has to accept that if ADMK comes they will not even build a bus stop. :lol:

^^If DMK is out of central ministries, then big loss for TN...

No congress Big tickets in TN except PC, Again TN would move to 19 centruries atleast in Railway projects...

Not exactly like that....

The new line projects will come to gringing halt and the GC projects will move in snail speed.


Even now we should know that the past gvt 2004-2009 is not the golden time for TN in railways.... 1995-1999 is the golden time for railway projects in TN.... that time we had Sheriff from Bangalore as RM.

He stopped a chennai - Bangalore non-stop train at katpadi just because his daughter was studying in CMC Medical College.

^^
i didn't know he was that poor that his daughter needs to use a train.

^^

And next is law and order.....! Every one knows about that....

And no much dynasty type or "Kurunilla Mannar rule" in ths state level and district level,

One has to accept that if ADMK comes they will not even build a bus stop. :lol:

i didn't know that law & order was better in any specific govt.

what do you mean dynasty type? alagiri was elected by people and our election commision has declared him winner.

indian democracy is a real phony. we have a prime minister who is not elected by people for 2 consecutive terms but someone like tr baalu who is acknowledged for many development activities in & around his constituency and voted by people is vilified by media.

i am convinced most indians & our media are stupid.

we are seeing some serious debate between central & state governments. this applies to pan-india parties & regional ones.

congress & pan india parties might have won this time. this is bad. and i hope this changes in next couple of decades and we evolve into a federal country. we need more power devolved to states & local areas. we need a much smaller central government with lesser powers. i don't know of any regional party including the parties from poor states such as bihar who wants a strong central govt.

DMK has to get the Ministerial birth otherwise we wont get another chance to
implement the projects.
:ohno:

Baalu had a illustrious predecessor called Maj Gen. B.C Khanduri who gave Vajpayee the idea to improve roads. Golden quadrilateral was planned and made good progress during his time. Baalu came and things slowed down. Baalu had many NHAI chairmen changed. Please don't bring North Indian-South Indian angle to debate. All Indians pay taxes and are entitled to equal treatment. We should move away from idea that only our ministers can serve our state. AP contributed 33 MP's. surely if they start asking for plum portfolios, where would that leave TN?

If TN needs to develop fast, nothing prevents GoTN to use tax revenues to improve roads, railways, electicity and water supply using tax money wisely rather than spending it on free tv and family promotion

^^ Good points.

I agree that the Regional Parties have held hostage the central govt for too long. Look at what the thugs in CPI & CPM did to India and thwarted all projects in the name of their ideology. No, we don't need a distortion to normal democratic norms. I think the Congress has the mandate in this election and they are entitled to distribution of ministries. One or two posts per regional faction like DMK, TMC, etc sounds right. The rest is up to the art of negotiation.

I am also tired of people beating upon P.C. everytime, when, lets face it, he has steadfastly held onto his principles. Chidambaram, educated and wealthy scion, is humble and excellent at his job. He brings credibility to his work. He is an out of box thinker, making possible what is impossible. He managed to keep the communists at bay and grow the economy. As long as a minister does not f&^* up the ministry, they have done some good, IMO. There is a lot to be done but screw ups are not affordable.

India currently needs a new crop of young politicians who have the modern outlook and can bring energy and vitality to the job at hand. If MMS can transition the current crop to the next generation he will have done more than his fair share. Let us hope that he starts afresh, with a few veterans for steadying the ship.

illustrious predecessor called Maj Gen. B.C Khanduri being kicked out as CM by his own MLAs. Why such an efficient minister didn't bother about South-North and East-West NHs during his time?. GQ only has a small stretch in TN.

TN can develop its own infrastructure provided, it retained all the taxes transferred to the Central kitty..

The Congress Govt built long Pipelines upto UP/Punjab to take Bombay High Gas and Petroleum products. There is a huge pipeline network in the north. No southern arm.

Now when Gas field is developing in East Coast with landing at Kakinada, the Central Govt again is laying pipelines to Gujarat and other central indian states. Nothing for AP, TN.Karnataka and Kerala.. Look into figures allocated under Education..Huge allocation to Northern states ..Reason ,Southern states are well develoed in Education using their own funds. Guys..Come to ground reality. We can get our projects going only with our own people,power and pressure. Idealism will never work.

Khanduri is getting kicked out since he is not allowing them to make money.

You have to make a start somewhere. GQ was the start and N-S and E-W followed.

HBJ pipeline was primarily built to support fertilizer plants in agrarian states of UP and Punjab.

Kakinada - Reliance owns the wells and is also building first pipeline to take Gas to Hazira
A kakinada - tuticorin line is in the works. Central govt is not in this business

Education - I am all for central govt spending money in north. Better to spend and educate people than to support huge number of illiterates

There! I answered all your questions.

TN needs the support of its MPs and ministers. If you think that you don't want regionalism or North-South policy, that alone is not enough. Everybody should think that way.
TN languished (was punished) for choosing to elect a regional party to power. There was no central investment for three decades in the state when the funds were diverted to northern states and also congress ruled southern states. When Bangalore and Hyderabad/Vizag got many big ticket central investments what did Madras get?

Where was the neutrality then? Why were the people in power not fair minded? When all of India was in broad gauge, why the whole of TN excepting a single line was in meter gauge? Why is such a hue and cry being made when some ministers favoured TN during the last period? Isn't that what was going on all along?

One of the reasons why TN is remaining backward or atleast not progressing faster is the discrimination from successive central governments.

Central funds stopped coming for TN for last two decades.

i didn't know that law & order was better in any specific govt.

what do you mean dynasty type? alagiri was elected by people and our election commision has declared him winner.

indian democracy is a real phony. we have a prime minister who is not elected by people for 2 consecutive terms but someone like tr baalu who is acknowledged for many development activities in & around his constituency and voted by people is vilified by media.

i am convinced most indians & our media are stupid.

Really you didnt know? Burning the buses are the most common one in this gvt... law college problem, HC lawyers issue...... and more over the common people who get problems from the goondas/police and the politicians etc.,

Regarding dynasty and Kurunilla mannar/ if you are not understanding, then you are a typical family politics supporter. :lol:

Let us talk about TN people here first... Yes TN people are stupid.

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i didn't know he was that poor that his daughter needs to use a train.



I dont think so!!

He announced a new train called Lalbhag express starting early morning from Bangalore and reached Chennai before 12:00 noon.... and it had very very limited stops. And in evening the train use to leave Katpadi around 17:30 to reach Bangalore by 21:30.

The main purpose of the train is that it can reach Katpadi before 10:00AM and if i am correct his daughter was doing MBBS in CMC. May be for weekend use!!

Anyway because of that Chennai-Bangalore got one more train.:nuts:

And those days Bangalore-Chennai road journey will take minimum 8hours and to Vellore from Bangalore it will take atleast 6hours. But trains took just 3.3-4hrs to Katpadi from Bangalore majestic.

I dont think so!!

He announced a new train called Lalbhag express starting early morning from Bangalore and reached Chennai before 12:00 noon.... and it had very very limited stops. And in evening the train use to leave Katpadi around 17:30 to reach Bangalore by 21:30.

The main purpose of the train is that it can reach Katpadi before 10:00AM and if i am correct his daughter was doing MBBS in CMC. May be for weekend use!!

Anyway because of that Chennai-Bangalore got one more train.:nuts:

And those days Bangalore-Chennai road journey will take minimum 8hours and to Vellore from Bangalore it will take atleast 6hours. But trains took just 3.3-4hrs to Katpadi from Bangalore majestic.

It is Lalbagh Express? When did his daughter study? in 1990's?
I hope you mean new Shadapti. but running a shadapthi form bangalore to chennai is not that bad choice with so many traveling between those cities every day.

You like to have JJ in CM post...

What she has done in 10 years except Veeranam Project...

Can you list out any other reasonable project in JJ government.. Seriously I don't know ..

Yes, MK should avoid family politics and should find some capable young dynamic person for the high profile ministry even if he consider Maran it's fine ...

Compared to JJ , I believe MK and his government is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar Better...
^^
if you didn't know mean that there was not any.
I had already posted few of the projects that started in the previous government, that including desalination project.

how about the general awareness of rain harvesting? and mandating?
one fire accident in a school, jj mandated all of the commercial building to have fire protection.
my brother who works in L&T Firepro told me that after govnt made it mandate they got so many project. I would seriously doubt, MK would have taken such a serious step.

what about her hue and cry of govt should not have any strike?

those are awareness projects.

I would say that jj is good in one sense and bad in other and same for MGR or MK, I have no doubt about it.

By the way FYI, veeranam project proposal was started in 1970's during MK period only :)
Metro project study for Chennai was conducted in Annadurai time.

PS: if you wanted to verify those fact you better search. I'm not going to give you the link.

Hats off to our PM who had the guts to refuse berths to big scammers of yesteryears in the ministry....

Hope congress and PM do not vasillate...

By the way i read some few lines from a LTTE sympathiser in the net, which were quite interesting though we do not fully endorse their means and actions...

Who is tamilena talaivar?..... A leader who sacrifices apart from his life his entire family for the sake of Tamilans or who is camping in Delhi to get his family all plum posts....

We citizens need to sincerely worry about this trend of a single family trying to corner all wealth .....

Anirudh
salem

It is Lalbagh Express? When did his daughter study? in 1990's?
I hope you mean new Shadapti. but running a shadapthi form bangalore to chennai is not that bad choice with so many traveling between those cities every day.

In 1992, Lalbhag express was introduced.

Well said. I still remember the day when Jaffer Sheriff, former Railway Minister, started the Lalbagh express between Bangalore and Chennai to enable his daughter attend medical college. This was widely critcized in the media. This was so selfish of him. He didn't try to do anything for his constituency or state but cared only for his daughter.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-180530-p-2.html

google search will give you some results. On introduction the train had only one stop at Katpadi alone now SR is operating it with 11 stops in delayed schedule. :bash:

In 1992, Lalbhag express was introduced.



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-180530-p-2.html

google search will give you some results. On introduction the train had only one stop at Katpadi alone now SR is operating it with 11 stops in delayed schedule. :bash:

Thanks for the info, getting confused with the current bangalore shatapthi as it stopes only at katpadi. Did Lalu had a daughter studying in VIT? just kidding.

Hats off to our PM who had the guts to refuse berths to big scammers of yesteryears in the ministry....

Hope congress and PM do not vasillate...

By the way i read some few lines from a LTTE sympathiser in the net, which were quite interesting though we do not fully endorse their means and actions...

Who is tamilena talaivar?..... A leader who sacrifices apart from his life his entire family for the sake of Tamilans or who is camping in Delhi to get his family all plum posts....

We citizens need to sincerely worry about this trend of a single family trying to corner all wealth .....

Anirudh
salem

This is the same party that was blaming Cong for family politics, but now the same party cannot do without family in politics.

^^ Very Nice and crisp point to note.

Karuna is not the dynasty, we have dynasty all the way,


Sonia, Rahul, priyanka then robet all the gandhian family. Tomorrow it will be rahul's son, priyanka's daughter, the list goes on. Then we also have pilot, scindia, deora dynasty ruling the cabinet.

But karuna went beyond all limits (dragging the wheel chair and having a tent for 2-3 days).

Rahul to decide on clean government (read lot of articles abt quittorochi's involvement and family politics in Bofors). Its a mockery of the indian policitical system. Why not rahul give cabinets to new faces other than dynasties (deora, scindia, etc).




Hats off to our PM who had the guts to refuse berths to big scammers of yesteryears in the ministry....

Hope congress and PM do not vasillate...

By the way i read some few lines from a LTTE sympathiser in the net, which were quite interesting though we do not fully endorse their means and actions...

Who is tamilena talaivar?..... A leader who sacrifices apart from his life his entire family for the sake of Tamilans or who is camping in Delhi to get his family all plum posts....

We citizens need to sincerely worry about this trend of a single family trying to corner all wealth .....

Anirudh
salem

Now, Cong offers outside support in Tamil Nadu


After talks between the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam [Images] and the Congress interlocutors broke down and the DMK threatened to support the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance [Images] from the outside, the Congress pull a rabbit out of the hat saying that it too would pull out of the state government in Tamil Nadu and also give only outside support.

The Congress has 34 members in the 234-member state assembly and its support is key to propping up the DMK government, which won 96 seats.

The Congress top brass, including party president Sonia Gandhi [Images], Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images], general secretary Rahul Gandhi [Images] and Sonia Gandhi's political secretary Ahmed Patel, were part of the group that endorsed this decision.

They feel that this move will also ensure that the Congress does not face 'anti-incumbency' when the assembly elections are held two years from now.

http://election.rediff.com/report/2009/may/22/loksabhapoll-congress-offers-outside-support-in-tn.htm

What do they mean by pulling out of the state government in Tamil Nadu and give only outside support ?? They are giving only outside support so far and they are not part of the govt, are they?

Really you didnt know? Burning the buses are the most common one in this gvt... law college problem, HC lawyers issue...... and more over the common people who get problems from the goondas/police and the politicians etc.,



and burning people most common in previous govt?

^^
if you didn't know mean that there was not any.
I had already posted few of the projects that started in the previous government, that including desalination project.

how about the general awareness of rain harvesting? and mandating?
one fire accident in a school, jj mandated all of the commercial building to have fire protection.
my brother who works in L&T Firepro told me that after govnt made it mandate they got so many project. I would seriously doubt, MK would have taken such a serious step.

what about her hue and cry of govt should not have any strike?

those are awareness projects.

I would say that jj is good in one sense and bad in other and same for MGR or MK, I have no doubt about it.

By the way FYI, veeranam project proposal was started in 1970's during MK period only :)
Metro project study for Chennai was conducted in Annadurai time.

PS: if you wanted to verify those fact you better search. I'm not going to give you the link.

desalination project started by previous govt? you should verify your facts.

rain water harvesting & fire protection - if these are all that jj can claim to have done she better quit governing.

^^

FYI both the sad things Dharmapuri bus and Madurai dinakaran burning happened in the gvt time which you are supporting now.

I am not speaking for any party. My point is the gvt failing to maintain the law ad order...

All of them who voted dmk to get 18 seats were purely for development work(something is better than nothing)inspite of dmk blind eye towards genocide of lakhs of tamils in srilanka but mk is keen on his family gain.For mk family first ,tamil nadu next.Atleast people should realize or else even god cannot save tamilnadu:lol:

Outside support means..........

http://www.writermugil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mk-fasting1.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

DMK should take what is offered to them...
IT & Comm, Fertilizer, Labour etc

We should be happy with IT atleast...

Something is better than nothing....

Outside support means..........

http://www.writermugil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mk-fasting1.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That is freaking hilarious..DMK is making fool of themselves. Should not be greedy with only 18 seats.

Cabinet : IT & Comm, Chemicals & Fertilizer, Heavy Industries
MOS : Railways, Health, Tourism, Woman welfare


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Offer is pretty good. Hope they accept it..

Cabinet : IT & Comm, Chemicals & Fertilizer, Heavy Industries
MOS : Railways, Health, Tourism, Woman welfare


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Doors are knocking the TN for better industries in Chemical and Heavy...

MoS Railways and Tourism also good.

Hope MK agree with this offer.

Hope MK agrees and start working on welfare projects

^^ :lol: He wants to loot lots of money. That's his priority.

Once he gets reasonable money he'll think of doing something.

For the past three days, the media chose to have a free run speculatiing PM's reluctance in taking Baalu and Raja. In fact throwing a lot of mud on them. One of the nasty guys assembled by this group of media kids, opened his foul mouth by saying that 'DMK' is Daily Money for K,. That is all. Every one of them who came on the media discussions including our Cho and our fellow forumer Kannan latched on to this ATM , a fancy word to hit people whom you hate.

But today, PM says that Baalu and Raja are his illustrious collegues, and he has no problem with them. Something from the Horse's mouth. Means that all those wild allegations are motivated propaganda by interested parties who do not want TN getting Lion's share of expenditure on infrastructure projects.

Here Dear forumers, are you interested in getting TN developing fast or getting tied up with genetic hatred on MK and his family? I have no problem if the present Govt is by JJ and She insists on getting the Ministries thro' which one can bring lots of development. I will support her.

Heavy Ind and Fertilizers are for Deadwoods. This is time for disinvestment of Public Sector and those ministries have reached the dead end. And IT, nothing more can be done..

WE must get Surface Transport, Shipping, Power, Urban Deveopment, Water Resources.Railway etc key ministries which can be used to develop the State in a wholesome manner.

personal hatred of many is closing their eyes to see what is good for the state..

I am sick of the arguments of many. Intelligent analysis of a situation is more important than emotional outbursts,, That smacks of immaturity!!!

No Comments.

Lets see who gets wat! But definitely IT will be with DMK... Lets see if they're greedy enough to give it to other ministers than Dayanidhi Maran!

They ditched him. :ohno: He was the one who was performing well and brough about a difference in telecom (If am not wrong).

I think it is not conducive to have a TN only blinder and claim all kinds of stuff. T.R. Baalu is not exactly a great minister, he is a terror even within DMK, he has a hold on MK and family according to the grapevine. As surface transport minister his contributions are minimal, yes he may have nudged TN projects but that is besides the point. Shipping industry is languishing worldwide with the recent economic bust. If you need a report card on his performance he rates a C. IT's Raja has been status quo and nothing much and maybe he gets a B. But these ministers are not in the class of D. Maran or P. Chidabaram or Praful Patel or even Lalu (he gets a bad rap always).

There is fine balance we need, on the one hand more competent TN ministers the better. One the other we need to advance the nation called India. DMK is negotiating the ministerial berths, nothing wrong with it. The corruption index of most parties, including Congress and BJP, in India is skyhigh. The only thing that common folks can expect is, despite all the corruption, work gets done. DMK has proven it gets work done. So the negative connotations are merely academic. JJ is even more corrupt, but she has the ability to kick butt when needed. PM MMS is being kind and charitable to his ministers, what do you expect him to say, that those who worked for him are losers.

Let us keep perspective here. Things for TN are good, things for India are even better.

Yes.

Wish surface transport and shipping comes back to DMK and they prove that they can do much better this time!! :| (TR Baalu should have learnt a lesson by now :lol:)

But IT & communication should be given to Maran and not Raja! :ohno:

Latest news...
Cong blinks, DMK to have its way.. the DMK insisted on berths for Baalu and Raja, a demand which the Congress finally agreed to, albeit with the rider that the duo might not get the plum portfolios. Singh agreed to give ministerial berths to Baalu and Raja after Congress president Sonia Gandhi interevened to explain to him the need to get along with the DMK for the sake of coalition politics. Sonia conveyed her sentiments to Singh on Friday.

Sonia cozying upto MK is a mystery. This lady wanted his Head for Rajiv Gandhi's murder. Now she has made up with DMK/MK and accomodating them. How things change with time.

http://www.tn.gov.in/deptst/ForeignTrade.pdf

Please see this table. TN state share in export is nearly 11% of that India and import is 17% that of India.

Is it good for the state economy? Imports are much higher than the export...

Chennai being the gate way to the south, so the import share may include that of neighbouring states too.

Still we import includes very large quantity of electronic goods from south east asian countries. And even indonesia finds place in major importer in the list, this should be because of coal import done by the industries in south. The new coal based power plants will increase the import further.

Do we have fullfledged solar power plant anywhere?

as surface,shipping ministry going to others we cant expect much progress in tn as before 1997 there is no much scope for road projects .So something is better than nothing.Hence we must get this portfolio:)

Karuna's latest formula:

Maran or Azhagiri to miss out cabinet berth. Only 1 cabinet berth for the family. Party to decide rest.

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Lets see who gets wat! But definitely IT will be with DMK... Lets see if they're greedy enough to give it to other ministers than Dayanidhi Maran!

They ditched him. :ohno: He was the one who was performing well and brought about a difference in telecom (If am not wrong).

Yes. The fruits sown by Rajiv Gandhi & Sam Pitroda fruited through Daya.
Ofcourse, he was a very active & productive Minister. But what to do with political equations?

desalination project started by previous govt? you should verify your facts.

rain water harvesting & fire protection - if these are all that jj can claim to have done she better quit governing.

Bless is right. Desalination plant in Minjur was awarded to Befesa by JJ. The Nemeli one funded by Centre was later initiated by MK

http://www.tn.gov.in/deptst/ForeignTrade.pdf

Please see this table. TN state share in export is nearly 11% of that India and import is 17% that of India.

Is it good for the state economy? Imports are much higher than the export...

Chennai being the gate way to the south, so the import share may include that of neighbouring states too.

Still we import includes very large quantity of electronic goods from south east asian countries. And even indonesia finds place in major importer in the list, this should be because of coal import done by the industries in south. The new coal based power plants will increase the import further.

Do we have fullfledged solar power plant anywhere?

yes, larger share of imports would be because tn is a coastal state. but even otherwise, it is no sign whether it is good or bad for economy. it probably only means at current exchange rate levels, people in tn find it cheaper to buy imported goods than domestic goods. this is normally true of coastal states since transporting many commodities from other end of world would not be very different from interior locations within india. in any case, if left to markets it would correct itself to ensure balance of trade.

also, this stat is not correct. it does not include software and other such exports & imports since they do not go through sea or air.

^^
in the last assembly elections, there were 77 ministers in all - 29 cabinet, 8 mos (independent) & 40 mos. it looks no different this time too with 19 cabinet ministers already sworn in and more expected from dmk, tmc & farooq.

we could argue that as a fair share tn should have about 8 such ministries with about 24 of about 260 upa mps. there is just 1 so far. with dmk winning 18 of 260 upa seats, people from tn should expect dmk to bargain hard for 7-8 ministry seats possibly in ratio of 3:1:4.

We are electing the best of the worsts.

When the voting percentage is at average 50% and there are so many contestants sharing the rest, I don't think the person who got elected is the representative of the people. They should make voting compulsory and invoking rule 49 (O) is also very difficult in our System. To make it easier they should include Ashoka Emblem in our EVM.

Let us start a discussion on how democracy should be in the future. Share your ideas..

http://www.tn.gov.in/deptst/ForeignTrade.pdf


Do we have fullfledged solar power plant anywhere?

yes we need consider the option of the Solar power being explored,
because we have lot of dirty power producing plants- Thermal & Nuclear.
We need to chip more Solar ,Tidal,Hydel & Wind power plants for TN.
I think We got Enough Nuclear plants..inclusive of KodanKulam..
No more nuclear plant sites please.

yes, larger share of imports would be because tn is a coastal state. but even otherwise, it is no sign whether it is good or bad for economy. it probably only means at current exchange rate levels, people in tn find it cheaper to buy imported goods than domestic goods. this is normally true of coastal states since transporting many commodities from other end of world would not be very different from interior locations within india. in any case, if left to markets it would correct itself to ensure balance of trade.

also, this stat is not correct. it does not include software and other such exports & imports since they do not go through sea or air.

Even i thought the same. May be if we add the software exports figures will be correct. But even then we dont do so much in software imports.

Bless is right. Desalination plant in Minjur was awarded to Befesa by JJ. The Nemeli one funded by Centre was later initiated by MK

Thanks Venkatm,

Dis.agree,
I'm humiliated. I had posted the the link for the same earlier. can you please verify?

Looks like the DMK is in NPA/Congress but the choices are mixed.

Maran, Azhagiri and Raja set to join Cabinet.. DMK chief M Karunanidhi appeared to have raised the white flag, accepting Congress's offer of three Cabinet berths. Raja will handle IT & communication, Azhagiri will be in-charge of the chemicals & fertilisers portfolio and Maran will be minister for textiles. Others who will be inducted as MoS are S S Palanimanickam (Thanjavur), S Jagathrakshakan (Arakkonam), S Gandhiselvan (Namakkal) and actor Napoleon (Perambalur).

Why is Maran given Textiles? Does not make any sense at all.

Tier 2 cities will never grow in IT
Soon we can see Andhra,Kerala and Bengal going past TN
Only Maran can bring MNC's to our state, the competition is stiff and after recession indian IT will grow only 10% and TN will grow only 5.

People in CBE and Tirupur are lucky as they will see the benefits of Maran's reforms.

But overall State is a loser. Let Karu get out of CM post for the benefit of TN.

^^
Too much of out-bust. Cool-down, believe that we will get our share.

^^ hopefully! Did u see some visuals of A Raja in the news channels... He's blinking like a drunken *&^%$# :lol: :rofl:

Jokes apart. Lets hope he does something upto the mark.

Tier 2 cities will never grow in IT
Soon we can see Andhra,Kerala and Bengal going past TN
Only Maran can bring MNC's to our state, the competition is stiff and after recession indian IT will grow only 10% and TN will grow only 5.

People in CBE and Tirupur are lucky as they will see the benefits of Maran's reforms.

But overall State is a loser. Let Karu get out of CM post for the benefit of TN.

Still if the ministers do good in those sectors, no one can stop TN emerging as the 1st state in the country.

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IT: First let us see whether the TN gvt promised IT parks in tier II cities ever starts operation. Then let us seek the help from centre. If the existing plan of state gvt works well, then surely the tier II cities can to better in IT. Already Coimbatore got some IT companies functioning there. Trichy and Salem have many BPOs.

Textile: If the coming minister plans well and give a boost the textile cluster. That would be the best thing for state export on textile!! More textile parks, handloom parks, powerloom parks will surely do wonders for the state economy.

Chemical: State is so poor in Chemical industry!! Having a coastal length for more than 700KMs we have few industries only in Tuticorin and Mettur. Let them bring new investment for the state in this front.

Railways: If MoSR is from the state, let he get the funds for the ongoing projects, and let us finish the projects in scheduled time. That would be bring the difference for rail infrastructure in the state!!

Only roadways.... already major roads are put into 4 laning projeccts.. if funds come properly, we will have good roads too.

I dont see state as loser in alloting chemical and textile industries!!

First of all... Let Azhagiri address the issues with chemical industries in cuddalore SIPCOT.
The chemical industries there have polluted tat area to the core! Gas leakage and dumping of poisonous chemicals keep continuing! :ohno:

Also Kodaikanal is polluted with mercury by Hindustan Lever Ltd! You guys know the potential threat of mercury!

Nobody have taken a strict action against these yet!! Real bad. :cry:
I bet Azhagiri wont even give a damn about these issues. He'll surely loot more money and bring in additional polluting chemical industries.

^^

Still if the ministers do good in those sectors, no one can stop TN emerging as the 1st state in the country.

Good here refers to the state and not to the individual.

Yes indeed, most of the industries do pollution. We have low standard pollution control and even that is not into force.... Corruption rules this department too!! Textile industry too polute!! Karur pollutes Amaravathi, Erode pollutes Cauvery and Bhavani, Tiruppur pollutes Noyal and Mettur pollutes Cauvery!

Every industry do pollution even IT industries do it in-directly, since our major power source is depended on non-renewable power resources and our major transportation too depends on polluting vehicles. Unless we have strict rules in control we cannot expect the pollution to come down.

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Chemical ministry controls the following dept:

Department of Chemicals and Petrochemicals
Department of Fertilizers
Department of Pharmaceuticals

TN is nill in Pharmaceutical industry except very few in Chennai. Maha and Gujarat have the major role in thr country in this industry... Bringing some industry related to Pharma will help the state!!

Thanks Venkatm,

Dis.agree,
I'm humiliated. I had posted the the link for the same earlier. can you please verify?

if jj awarded this contract in 2005, why did it take so long to even get it started? you cannot just announce projects and take all credit for it. foundation stone for this project was laid by present dmk government only in feb 2007 and they executed it. union government was ready to provide funds (was part of union budget) for putting up desalination project in chennai which jj refused and instead wanted it executed by state itself which she never did. dmk in addition used the funds available from centre to put up the second plant. monorail was no different - just announcements to hoodwink people. to her credit she did nothing for chennai. chennai was rotting under her rule.

if jj awarded this contract in 2005, why did it take so long to even get it started? you cannot just announce projects and take all credit for it. foundation stone for this project was laid by present dmk government only in feb 2007 and they executed it. union government was ready to provide funds (was part of union budget) for putting up desalination project in chennai which jj refused and instead wanted it executed by state itself which she never did. dmk in addition used the funds available from centre to put up the second plant. monorail was no different - just announcements to hoodwink people. to her credit she did nothing for chennai. chennai was rotting under her rule.
^^

Hi dis.agree, cooldown. look what was your reply earlier for the power plant? and my answer to it?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=36530152&postcount=507

This is international finance corporation site about the project approval from them for funding. Chennai Corp got approval in June 26, where us the proposal was received in may 2006. And DMK laid the stone after 6 months of their current tenure of their resumed office.

http://www.ifc.org/ifc
ext/spiwebsite1.nsf/1ca07340e47a35cd85256efb00700cee/3DF0C3D8827C735285257178006439DF

Don't you wanted to give credit the ground work? if your claim for completion of the project needs credit, then this will not and none of of the govt should get the credit.

Thats why i said i 'm humiliated ;-) since i had replied to your question on the same thread earlier.

All,
And coming to Development we should consider not only about the visual development but also non visual development. Running the government is not a simple tasks, the priority changes with the time-line drastically with global events, funds routed and rerouted. pay attention for a long time and find the sequence of events and con-sequences.

-Bless

He is a "Padikatha Methai"(Illiterate Genius) I have very high regard for him.
He was ahead of his time in this thinking and his acts and that was a model followed in India and abroad but today's ministers are not Kamraj.

The big difference is in heart they should feel they should do something for the people and if that thought persists they can do wonders within their powers but only few have it.

I dont mean to degrade Raja what I mean is looks like Maran is more ambitions is heart and this is required for a cabinet IT minister more than a Textile minister.

lot of people longing for leaders like kamraj..nadar..
ponnai nadar..
Pennai nadar..
Pokalzhi nadar..
he is man to be celebrated..true visionary in devlopment of tamil nadu..
From Bhel to IIT Madras are all due to him..
We need a good visionary like utilizing the renewable resources,
my take DMK wood have give IT & comm to Maran..

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Dayanidhi_Maran

Pls see no ministers is w/o controversy!!

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1096817

No one can forget the spectrum scandal by the next one too.

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The image of TN has taken a beating by the mess created by MK and his family.... It seems even in DMK the people are upset for the first time and this I could hear the whispers from staunch cadres....

Very interesting quote from The Hindu Editorial yesterday goes like this....

The problem was no doubt complicated by the goal of getting three members of Mr. Karunanidhi’s family into the ministry. Even in a milieu where several political dynasties have emerged, this was seen as an extreme manifestation of the tendency to treat public office as heritable property.

The flash news just now is the swearing in is cancelled.....

Anirudh
Salem

CROSS POSTING FROM CHENNAI DISCUSSION

LETS LOOK FORWARD

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Let us all look forward now than doing post mortem (without any influence to change the decisions).

When Dayanidhi took over IT, similar issues were discussed. He was a novice at that time and Kalanidhi was running Sun TV. Only after he performed, many changed their outlook about him. With his capacity to impress investors, he can still do a lot better in Textiles sector. India - esp TN (Coimbatore Karur Region)- is lagging behind in Textiles. Tirupur is also suffering. Handloom is in doldrums.

If he does better than IT in Textiles, he will be a Super Hero and DMK may snatch West TN from AIADMK.

Reg Raja, he of course can not be compared to Daya. But he has been MOS for 2 terms and Cab.M for one term. Quite experienced compared to many others. Last term, I think Jyothirmoy Scindia was his MOS in IT. Such a bright young well educated MOS may solve the practical day to day problems for the ministry. Being in Delhi for so many years, he can also manage Hindi. (Daya talks good Hindi by TN Standard).

Spectrum issue is his bane and that may be the reason why his party wants him to continue as a safe guard.

MKA is a novice in Govt Admin. and has a poor public perception. But his organising skills (forget the means & side effects) are exceptional. He rebuilt DMK in South TN after it was almost wiped out after MGR's split. He can make or break (nothing in between)

If he channelises all his Brain & Brawn into something constructive, it will be great.

TN has been neglected too long by the centre on Chem & Fert sector. There has been no Public Sector projects in TN. Even the recent Petro & Gas HUb ignored TN in spite of the long coast line and many good ports.

If MKA can put up a Gas Grid across TN with connections to all major ports, massive storages, end user industries, we can see another Gujarat here. The potential is really high. TN needs such solid, stable long term Chem & Fert industries (much better and more potential than IT since the domestic demand itself is very high).

Reg other MOS candidates, Palani Manickam has been around in Finance for a term and he will be used to checkmate the political opponents. Nepolean may not have much to do with I&B except favourable probaganda. Gandhi is also a novice and Rural Dev may suit him.

Jagat (Edu Baron & Hotelier) has got a good post in Railways. I hope that he will continue what Moorthy & Velu have done. He is also quite capable.

Overall, DMK can do well if they play the cards well. We can not expect much from PC. I hope that Congress will give some good ministries to other good and efficient fellows from TN (Rajya Sabha route if needed).

^^

Surely this is a good chance for the state gvt to make a foot print in Chemical industry.

But many people on the internet and think only IT is the development of a country/state.

State should have strong economy in all the sectors.

Wiki is not that reliable, but this statistics is interesting.

TN state stands second in tax revenue of the country. Maha has financial capital Mumbai, and Pune/Nagpur are much bigger than CBE/Madurai.

Even then the state contribution is good!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_India_by_tax_revenues

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Let us all look forward now than doing post mortem (without any influence to change the decisions).

When Dayanidhi took over IT, similar issues were discussed. He was a novice at that time and Kalanidhi was running Sun TV. Only after he performed, many changed their outlook about him. With his capacity to impress investors, he can still do a lot better in Textiles sector. India - esp TN (Coimbatore Karur Region)- is lagging behind in Textiles. Tirupur is also suffering. Handloom is in doldrums.

If he does better than IT in Textiles, he will be a Super Hero and DMK may snatch West TN from AIADMK.

Reg Raja, he of course can not be compared to Daya. But he has been MOS for 2 terms and Cab.M for one term. Quite experienced compared to many others. Last term, I think Jyothirmoy Scindia was his MOS in IT. Such a bright young well educated MOS may solve the practical day to day problems for the ministry. Being in Delhi for so many years, he can also manage Hindi. (Daya talks good Hindi by TN Standard).

Spectrum issue is his bane and that may be the reason why his party wants him to continue as a safe guard.

MKA is a novice in Govt Admin. and has a poor public perception. But his organising skills (forget the means & side effects) are exceptional. He rebuilt DMK in South TN after it was almost wiped out after MGR's split. He can make or break (nothing in between)

If he channelises all his Brain & Brawn into something constructive, it will be great.

TN has been neglected too long by the centre on Chem & Fert sector. There has been no Public Sector projects in TN. Even the recent Petro & Gas HUb ignored TN in spite of the long coast line and many good ports.

If MKA can put up a Gas Grid across TN with connections to all major ports, massive storages, end user industries, we can see another Gujarat here. The potential is really high. TN needs such solid, stable long term Chem & Fert industries (much better and more potential than IT since the domestic demand itself is very high).

Reg other MOS candidates, Palani Manickam has been around in Finance for a term and he will be used to checkmate the political opponents. Nepolean may not have much to do with I&B except favourable probaganda. Gandhi is also a novice and Rural Dev may suit him.

Jagat (Edu Baron & Hotelier) has got a good post in Railways. I hope that he will continue what Moorthy & Velu have done. He is also quite capable.

Overall, DMK can do well if they play the cards well. We can not expect much from PC. I hope that Congress will give some good ministries to other good and efficient fellows from TN (Rajya Sabha route if needed).
Yes it is a ray of hope..,
Especially in view of assembly polls DMK should bring development to TN.

Otherwise they may not get majority., Also they should concentrate on the constituencies where they lost...

TN students performed poorly when compared to our neighbour.
TN- Around 250 seats
AP- Around 1850 seats

Great job AP
This is a area TN is beaten left and right by AP

Whether IIT-JEE,Gate,US-MS admissions TN performs relatively poor to AP
Once again congrat AP and TN should learn from AP

Guys what might be the reason for TN students not showing interest in these higher exams.

Are they content once they finish engg and end up as a Software engineer in TCS or wipro.

Any thoughts.

regarding desal project

Raja was env minister at that time and clearance was not given. it came immediately after dmk came to power.

http://www.projectsmonitor.com/detailnews.asp?newsid=10403

TN = Jeppiar engg college where guys and girls have to use ATM separately on different days of the week. In short, a S. Arabia. More mugging and engg colleges little more than schools where no thinking is encouraged.

Karnataka, AP - Moving with the times and liberal

People of TN need to broaden their horizons

^^

not every col are like that! only that group of col is a jail!

So having one or two col in 250engineering + lots of other col does not mean that state is like middle east!!! And people are already liberal!!

But that col was so popular all over this country.

The image of TN has taken a beating by the mess created by MK and his family.... It seems even in DMK the people are upset for the first time and this I could hear the whispers from staunch cadres....

Very interesting quote from The Hindu Editorial yesterday goes like this....

The problem was no doubt complicated by the goal of getting three members of Mr. Karunanidhi’s family into the ministry. Even in a milieu where several political dynasties have emerged, this was seen as an extreme manifestation of the tendency to treat public office as heritable property.

The flash news just now is the swearing in is cancelled.....

Anirudh
Salem
Can't you not think that MK wants all his close family members as Ministers holding lucrative posts to serve the innocent masses of TN.This way they can serve better and will ever be greatful to the people who gave them power including hereditary rights as is demonstrated by their winning the election even in the absence of MK for canvassing.

TN students performed poorly when compared to our neighbour.
TN- Around 250 seats
AP- Around 1850 seats

Great job AP
This is a area TN is beaten left and right by AP

Whether IIT-JEE,Gate,US-MS admissions TN performs relatively poor to AP
Once again congrat AP and TN should learn from AP

Guys what might be the reason for TN students not showing interest in these higher exams.

Are they content once they finish engg and end up as a Software engineer in TCS or wipro.

Any thoughts.
The reason why A.P does better is on account of the following reasons.
1) Many coaching centres of excellence complemented by hard work put up by the students encouraged by faculty and parents.
2) Most of the students including from rural areas aspire to get admissions in premier institutes and therefore prepare well to top the examinations like IIT-JEE Bits pilani etc etc.
3) many graduates aspire to further their education abroad particularly U.S.A and this is the main reason for the U.S govt opening a consulate in Hyderabad exclusively for the people of A.P.
4)Basically the engineering graduates in A.P are brighter when compared to the Engg graduates from TN. The performances in the job interviews vouch for that as i found the job aspirants from TN are very incoherent in their replies and do not comprehend the questions asked in some cases.

[QUOTE=chennaidesi;37289972]TN students performed poorly when compared to our neighbour.
TN- Around 250 seats
AP- Around 1850 seats

Great job AP
This is a area TN is beaten left and right by AP

Whether IIT-JEE,Gate,US-MS admissions TN performs relatively poor to AP
Once again congrat AP and TN should learn from AP

Guys what might be the reason for TN students not showing interest in these higher exams.

Are they content once they finish engg and end up as a Software engineer in TCS or wipro.

Any thoughts.[/QUOTE

It is better if this discussion does not go into AP vs TN.

During the past decade, IIT JEE scene has changed a lot. Kota, Patna, Kanpur, NCR and entire AP have become major centres for IIT coaching. Here the students are blindly trained to solve IIT Problems based on the previous years question papers and similar patterns. Hard & monotonous work has taken precedence over real intelligence. Once you know the trick of cracking the pattern, then it is not so difficult.

It has gone to ridiculous levels that you need to write an entrance to get into these coaching centres and you have spl classes for the same. It all starts at 6th Std !?! In Hyderabad, one coaching centre starts the classes at 4 AM. In Kota, there are residential coaching centres. Students shift from all over India to Kota to study there.

My classmates & friends who work in IITs and who are also involved in JEE say that most of the students coming through these training schools suffer a lot after joining IITs and are not able to cope up with the curriculam and competition. Whereas majority of the guys who did not go through these vigorous programs but got into IITs are performing brilliantly.

Even IITs are contemplating to change the JEE format drastically so that the future students are more capable.

^^ one of the main reason which i attribute for this is the way the TN is recruiting the students for the professional colleges. the big blunder which TN govt has done is including the theory marks also in the cutoff previously and considering only theory marks now. all the students who are preparing for IIT cannot get through and the main alternative will be state colleges. in other states the colleges recruit people through entrance exams only and the preparation which the students had for joining IIT will be enough to crack the state exams. consider a student in TN who is preparing for IIT. he always feels insecure because eventhough he may be a genious in cracking IIT he cannot get through state colleges until he memorises the entire science book for theory exam(either he understands it or not). if he wants memorise that, definitely he cannot concentrate on IIT exams. the no of seats in state is definitely more than IIT. so students feel secure only if they prepare for theory exams. if he starts preparing for IIT then he is left with no other choice but IIT which is definitely a risky decision which involves a person's future.

the decision which TN govt made with entrance exam is idiotic (only for vote bank). when people are thinking of making entrance exams tough the reverse thing is happening here. ultimately students show no intrest in IIT and so no coaching centres except some particular cities which is negligible when compared to other states. let TN govt bring in only entrance exam pattern to recruit students in engineering colleges(no theory mark should be included), then let us see what happens to IIT JEE.

The main difference is the TN matriculation and stateboard standard which most of the schools follow, in order to get benefit for admission to state engg colleges.(because of high scores in the subjects ). TN is the only state where people have reservation to put their kids in CBSE or ICSE school due to the above reasons.... The CBSE standard helps students to shine well in their professional courses..

Anirudh
Salem

Basically the engineering graduates in A.P are brighter when compared to the Engg graduates from TN. The performances in the job interviews vouch for that as i found the job aspirants from TN are very incoherent in their replies and do not comprehend the questions asked in some cases.

That's a real stupid assessment. I have seen many from AP get into US with fake certificates. Not all from AP are IIT graduates but from universities below par than that of TN. I have seen many couldn't cope up after somehow make into US.

^^
there is nothing special about iit education. it is the people who make these colleges proud. anyway, there is a big difference between iit now with 8000 seats and say even a decade ago when there were 2000 seats. there would exceptions, but top 100 or even 500 are very different from bottom 5000.

i think iit has lost it's relevance in india. small percentage of brightest pursue such science & technology in india. most others settle for typical office jobs ending up doing managerial work soon.

infact, i have been against recruiting iitians during last 7-8 years while i was working in software product development company. as with any product development company with proprietary knowledge, our employees get better with experience. i realized that iitians (now or then) have very little exposure to programming. although they catch up very fast and better others soon, it still takes them 6 months before they become productive. and within 2-3 years, when we expect them to do designs they come short of expectations. this is primarily because of poor communication skills with many of them from small towns. even after 5 years, we need to shield them from exposing to customers. such issues simply cannot be corrected. so, their utility is limited to 6 months to 3 years and are better utilized only with tech work. while some are intelligent even they are not smart. i find graduates from private engineering colleges esp. from metros far more smarter. possibly because they are from richer families and are exposed better to world.

The reason why A.P does better is on account of the following reasons.
1) Many coaching centres of excellence complemented by hard work put up by the students encouraged by faculty and parents.
2) Most of the students including from rural areas aspire to get admissions in premier institutes and therefore prepare well to top the examinations like IIT-JEE Bits pilani etc etc.
3) many graduates aspire to further their education abroad particularly U.S.A and this is the main reason for the U.S govt opening a consulate in Hyderabad exclusively for the people of A.P.
4)Basically the engineering graduates in A.P are brighter when compared to the Engg graduates from TN. The performances in the job interviews vouch for that as i found the job aspirants from TN are very incoherent in their replies and do not comprehend the questions asked in some cases.

I work in IT industry and let me give some perception about the education from Andhra.

SAP(Popular ERP solution)- We can call it as State of Andhra Pradesh. If any guy comes from AP it is likely that 90% is a fake experience. Background checking is very difficult as lot of companies in Hyderabad provides fake experience for money. To do a SAP course in reputed institute they charge 2.5 lacs but if you land in Hyderabad you can get cheap or worst quality of SAP education @ 15000. Our IT industry suffered a lot on the image front when the unskilled people go to US.

MTI (Mother tongue influence) and english language proficiency is below the TN standards.

I agree they are improving a lot in education sector but still I believe the standard is below TN.

Opening a consulate in Hyderabad is for a different reason. Currently the U.S. consulate in Chennai handles applications from the states of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, and the Union Territories of Lakshadweep islands and Pondicherry. With rapid economic development in southern India, and Chennai, Bangalore, and Hyderabad becoming major IT and software centers, the U.S. consulate at Chennai has become one of the busiest consulates in the world. Initial plan to setup a second consulate in South India was at Bangalore then later on they decided to shift because Bangalore is very near to Chennai. Apart from that the state government has offered a 10-acre site at Madhapur near the Hitec City, the hub of the IT sector in Hyderabad, for housing the consulate.

I find the relative ...difference between the attitude..
our people were generally more conservative .
i owe the reason they simply stick to the filed of Medicine and Engg.
they were lot other fields which has numerous opp..

I think we should not dwell too much on the difference between the states as it has a potential of turning into a mud-slinging match.

One must also give respect when it is due. AP has performed better in the IIT/IAS front as well as admissions to US universities and in employment in the US. There is a lot here that can be learnt from AP.

I also found that AP folks are far more daring and are wont to taking risks as compared to people from other states. They are being rewarded for their risk taking abilities.

Finally TN get 10 ministers:

Fortunately all are educated!! But let us see how it works for this 5years for the state development:

1.M.K.Alagiri-Madurai - B.A
2.Maran - Chennai-B.A
3.Rasaa - Nilagiri-M.Sc M.Phil
4.Vasan - B.A
5.PC -Sivaganga - Law/MBA

MoS

6.Palani Manickam Thanjavur- Law
7.Napolean - Perambalur-B.A
8.Gandhiselvan- Namakkal- M.A M.Phil
9.Jegathratchagan-Arrakonam-M.A. Ph.D
10.Narayanasamy-Law-Pondy

http://tm.dinakaran.com/showxml.aspx?id=191559&code=18953

Even though western TN and Trichy didnt send anyone to ruling party, parts surrounding the region has been given a chance in ministry.

Let us wait for the portfolio.

Fortunately all are educated!!

exclamatory sentence for what? for having a degree? Do you know any MP from TN without a degree?

Finally TN get 10 ministers:

Fortunately all are educated!! But let us see how it works for this 5years for the state development:


We will have to wait and see if the alliance will go beyond 2011 state election.

V. Narayansamy Minister of State in the Ministry of Planning and Minister of State in the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs

S.S. Palanimanickam Minister of State in the Ministry of Finance

D. Napoleon Minister of State in the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment

Dr. S. Jagathrakshakan Minister of State in the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting

S. Gandhiselvan Minister of State in the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare

^^ All the above MOS except Health (MOS), useless for the benefit of TN...

TN lost most important Railway Ministy, but gained Finance , I&B for MK family..

MK fought for Shipping ministy and finally managed to get for TN (G.K.Vasan)..

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As a whole, TN lost all the most important ministies like Railways, Higways & Transport, Finance and Health etc...

^^ LOL... MK fought for his ministers... but congress gave it to its own minister.

Neway, it came to TN. thats good news.

^^ All the above MOS except Health (MOS), useless for the benefit of TN...

TN lost most important Railway Ministy, but gained Finance , I&B for MK family..

MK fought for Shipping ministy and finally managed to get for TN (G.K.Vasan)..

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As a whole, TN lost all the m ost important ministies like Railways, Higways & Transport, Finance and Health etc...

Railways?

Looks like DMK never asked for that. They are not interested also!!

We should know the owners of short distance bus owners and omni bus owners in routes like Chennai-Madurai, Coimbatore-South TNs etc.,

^^
why not just talk straight? and how do you know what transpired in the discussions that led to ministry decision? did you serve biscuits & tea there?

^^

Hey cool down. :cheers:

You get angry as if you are the politicians and own some omni buses. Relax

""Kutram ulla nenjam kuru kurukum""

Railways?

Looks like DMK never asked for that. They are not interested also!!

We should know the owners of short distance bus owners and omni bus owners in routes like Chennai-Madurai, Coimbatore-South TNs etc.,

I agree. Bus lobby is powerful in TN and could be one of the reasons for successful govt's not showing interest in Railway projects.I guess they even control the speed of some trains including pallavan. The Railways are forced to maintain 5hours 30 mins though it can be done in 5 hours time.May be after four lane work is completed we could see pallavan speed is increased.

Looks like TN is going to get a new Chief Minister soon

^^சென்னை: தமிழகத்தின் துணை முதல்வராக மு.க.ஸ்டாலின் நியமிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளார். இதுதொடர்பான அறிவிப்பை ஆளுநர் எஸ்.எஸ்.பர்னாலா வெளியிட்டுள்ளார்.

மு.க.ஸ்டாலின் துணை முதல்வர் பதவியில் அமர்த்தப்படுவார் என சமீப காலமாக பேச்சு அடிபட்டு வந்தது. இந்த நிலையில் இன்று ஆளுநர் மாளிகை வெளியிட்ட அறிக்கையில், உள்ளாட்சித் துறை அமைச்சர் மு.க.ஸ்டாலின் துணை முதல்வராக பொறுப்பேற்பதாக அறிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.

துணை முதல்வர் என்ற போதிலும் கூட இதுவும் அமைச்சர் பதவியைப் போன்றதுதான் என்பதால் இதற்காக தனியாக பதவியேற்பு எதுவும் நடைபெறாது என்பது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது.

முதல் முறையாக...

தமிழகத்தில் இதுவரை துணை முதல்வராக யாரும் பதவி அமர்த்தப்பட்டதில்லை.

இந் நிலையில் தமிழக அரசியல் வரலாற்றிலேயே துணை முதல்வர் பதவி உருவாக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. அப்பொறுப்பில் மு.க.ஸ்டாலின் நியமிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளார்.

உடல் நலம் காரணமாக விரைவில் ஸ்டாலினிடம் தனது பொறுப்பை ஒப்படைத்து விட்டு முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியே பதவி விலகக் கூடும் எனவும் சமீப காலமாக பேச்சு அடிபட்டு வருகிறது. இந்த நிலையில், ஸ்டாலின் துணை முதல்வராக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது.

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2009/05/29/tn-mk-stalin-made-as-deputy-cm.html

Goes to prove what we have in India is only an oligarchy and not democracy.

May be Cheran, Chozhan and Pandians are being replaced by modern day versions of these dynasties.

Kerala - Karunakaran's son could not succeed
Karnataka - Gowda's children and daughter-in-law doing well in politics, media
Yeddy's son just got elected as MP
AP - Jagan Mohan Reddy just got elected. He is very rich as per declared assets
TN - Patented oligarchy.

Kerala - Karunakaran's son could not succeed
Karnataka - Gowda's children and daughter-in-law doing well in politics, media
Yeddy's son just got elected as MP
AP - Jagan Mohan Reddy just got elected. He is very rich as per declared assets
TN - Patented oligarchy.

You forgot the original Indian dynasty - Nehru-Gandhi Clan. Nehru gets the worst PM award for major strategic blunders - Kashmir and Tibet. His Non-Aligned movement left India in limbo mode neither here nor there. Indira corrected a lot of his mistakes, but she left Pakistan/Kashmir festering, by a verbal agreement with Bhutto who promptly reneged. However Bangladesh is her contribution. She also started the culture of gross corruption at the Center. Now we are saddled with Sonia and her children as power centers behind the curtain called congress/NPA rule. The center is stuck with this dynasty until/unless the youth of India realizes and comes up with their own version of Obama.

I think we should not dwell too much on the difference between the states as it has a potential of turning into a mud-slinging match.

One must also give respect when it is due. AP has performed better in the IIT/IAS front as well as admissions to US universities and in employment in the US. There is a lot here that can be learnt from AP.

I also found that AP folks are far more daring and are wont to taking risks as compared to people from other states. They are being rewarded for their risk taking abilities.

That doesn't mean other state people are mindless or muddle heads. The way it is stated here is absolutely rubbish. Infact folks from TN roots have achieved / contributed tremendously (the list will be much bigger) than AP folks in US even though people from TN are significantly less compared to AP folks.

That always happens in a democracy. Even in music world its the same. Its only because their children are groomed that way. Its not wrong from my opinion. If they are really efficent they will survive.

That doesn't mean other state people are mindless or muddle heads. The way it is stated here is absolutely rubbish. Infact folks from TN roots have achieved / contributed tremendously (the list will be much bigger) than AP folks in US even though people from TN are significantly less compared to AP folks.

I didn't say others are muddle heads. Obviously that doesn't stop others from being one.

We can focus our energy on better things than itemizing how 'mine is bigger and better' than the other guy.

TN = Jeppiar engg college where guys and girls have to use ATM separately on different days of the week. In short, a S. Arabia. More mugging and engg colleges little more than schools where no thinking is encouraged.

Karnataka, AP - Moving with the times and liberal

People of TN need to broaden their horizons

Even in Saudi Arabia, women and men can use the same ATM.
Hahaha.
May be there are a few reserved for women, just like we do reserve seats in bus. The general ones can be used by both the genders

30% pay hike for mostly useless TN Govt employees! When can people get real power to throw out such populist govts that are squandering away tax money?

Tamil reigns supreme as DMK brigade takes charge in Delhi

NEW DELHI: It was Dravidian delight in Delhi on Monday with DMK ministers taking oath in Lok Sabha and later answering media queries in the classical language, Tamil. One minister who did this with pride was Union Minister for Chemicals and Fertilisers Muthuvel Karunanidhi Azhagari even as the Capital’s media failed to get much out of him.


“Tamil is my mother tongue,” Azhagiri in his classic style said when a reporter insisted that he read his opening statement in English.

At 3.30 pm, just before Azhagiri addressed his debut press conference here, he was presented shawls and bouquet by his colleagues — Textile Minister Dayanidhi Maran, Minister of Social Justice and Empowerment D Napoleon and Minister of State in the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting Dr S Jagathrakshakan. Addressing the media, Azhagiri read out a statement in Tamil on what his ministry intends to do in the coming months. Except for a dozen reporters from TV channels and newspapers from the State, the capital’s media contingent could make little sense of what Azhagiri said.

However, the minister asked his officials to promptly circulate copies of his statement in English even TV as journos coaxed him to read the statement while others were eager to ask him questions on pressing issues facing the sector.

Asked what steps the ministry would take to bring down the prices of medicines in the country, particularly when his predecessor Ramvilas Paswan has failed to do, Azhagiri shot back saying: “I can’t reveal that secret to you (press)”. As the reporter who asked the question failed to make any sense, a close aide translated it, saying that a call will be taken after consultations with senior bureaucrats.

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Tamil+reigns+supreme+as+DMK+brigade+takes+charge+in+Delhi&artid=W8yrkjF9sS4=&SectionID=b7ziAYMenjw=&MainSectionID=b7ziAYMenjw=&SEO=DMK,Lok+Sabha&SectionName=pWehHe7IsSU=

Disclaimer : I am not against IIT/IIM...:)

When I was in India, I always admired about these institutions and seen them as God..:)

But the fact is very few of them successfully lead the professional life in the middle management level....I shocked to know bunch of MBA/IIT professionals does average in the Organisation level...simply stating in other way on the campus placement you may end up by getting 20% of higher salary than your peers who come from normal colleges....

Once you are abroad, there are very little know about these so called premier institutions.....and even they don't give much importance to Top b schools like LBS, Boston, Insead etc....

Simple comparison :

LBS (2 in Top 10 B school ) - Average Salary : £55- 60,000
IT guys in Desi company - £45 - 50,000
IT guys in UK/US company - £70,000
IT senior guys as consultants : < £100,000

In this case, what the hell you spend your life time to study round the clock for IIT and IIM...etc...

You are looking at one side of coin just the start.
Student from IIT and IIM backround can grow faster because of their training in their study period and they end up at Senior management roles faster and most of Bachelor degree students end up at mid level or lower than that.
But one thing I agree because of more IIT's its quality is getting diluted but still the study experience is very useful period for any person.

I will definitely recommend IIT,GATE,AIEEE and IIM for all TN youngsters.

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until tn changes its education policy that is only entrance marks should be the qualification point in professional education(theory marks should never be considered), TN students cannot think of central institutes.

Today the no of IIT qualifiers from Vishakapatnam or Vijayawada is much more than the no of qualifiers from Chennai(8M) city which has only 150. I am not sure about tier 2 cities except I heard 8 qualified from Neyveli school(Jawahar metriculation) . This school is famous right from 1980's as I always hear some Mat. toppers at state level from this school. But what is happening to other cities like CBE. CBE people are smart, knowledgeble and have money to send their kids for some training classes(if that is the main argument say all andhra people are rich having lot of land etc) but why is this attitute to just do eng and end up in software jobs.

This will bring down the competetiveness of TN very badly in years to come.

Irony is VIT(Vellore) entrance exams are taken by nearly 1 lakh and andhra students were about 30,000 followed by 3 others states and TN at 4th place with only 9000 appearing for the exams. I am not sure if TN middle class affordability on an average less than their peers in other states or they are thinking anyhow both are ending up at same jobs so why do I need to send my kids to good private college and spend more.

as i pointed out earlier the method of preparation is not the same for state colleges and IIT which is not the case of other states where they do not have theory marks considered in their cut off. so a student feels secured only if he studies for state exams than IIT which has a very less no of seats.

after finishing MBBS there are entrance exams conducted for post graduate exams in the central institutes and state universities. here they dont consider the theory marks for state colleges also. so the method of preparation becomes the same for all institutes and can u believe that out of 200 PG seats only TN students occupy around 30 to 40 seats in a central institute called PGIMER in chandigarh every year. so it is the TN govt should be blamed and not the students or parents.

I agree to your point. I doesn't mean TN students are inferior but they are playing safe which is understandable but the ill effects of this system to TN is a hefty price that our students pay.

But what is the justification for not performing and getting a big share in GATE. I want them to be more ambitious for their personal growth as well as growth of the state.

It is also not a good thing to ignore the theory marks or performance in your regular studies and just consider only the entrance exam scores. In that case many students will be tempted to ignore their subjects and focus only on the entrance tests.

I am not sure about the IITs way of gauging candidates based on their performance in the entrance exam only, either. They should consider the candidates' academic performance as well. Additionally, they should also give some importance to how their prospective students contributed their mite to the general society or their interest in extra curricular activities like most US universities do. Now, the students and some coaching centres got smarter and started taking advantages of the weakness of the IIT selection process.

This only exposes the weakness of the IIT selection process rather than weakness of the selection processes of the TN engineering colleges.

If the students in TN are as smart as they are claimed to be, they should be able to do well in both systems. If some one claims that they did very well in their exams and scored highly but unable to crack the IIT entrance, I see some issues there. Especially when some other students who were not as good in their subjects but were able to do well in the IIT entrance because they took advantage of the coaching centre's services.

If the students in TN are as smart as they are claimed to be, they should be able to do well in both systems. If some one claims that they did very well in their exams and scored highly but unable to crack the IIT entrance, I see some issues there. Especially when some other students who were not as good in their subjects but were able to do well in the IIT entrance because they took advantage of the coaching centre's services.

sorry, you do not understand jee examination. it is not easy to crack unless you dedicate 4-10 hrs a day just for it. lot of iit aspirants esp. from outside tn, give up their school education to concentrate only on iit. it is also now a fad for students from all over india to go to kota in rajasthan and do just iit coaching classes. many of these, i suppose are people who have finished their 12th and spend an additional year just to crack iit.

also, with many private engineering colleges within chennai itself, there is not much motivation for potential students to joining iit. these private engineering colleges have a better environment when compared to govt colleges including iit that have such decrepit buildings. i wonder if toilets in iit hostels are still indian style & badly maintained.

Hogenakkal Project to start in October
As announced by Deputy Chief Minister M.K. Stalin, the Integrated Hogenakkal Drinking Water Project will kick-start in October 2009, Ms. Supriya Sahoo, Project Director, said here on Tuesday.
Was it not yet started?

http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/24/stor...2456700100.htm

http://news.chennaionline.com/newsit...TEGORYNAME=CHN

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-n...ule-TN/297618/

Am I been fooled by the headlines? While reading second time carefully made it clear its not even starte

You are looking at one side of coin just the start.
Student from IIT and IIM backround can grow faster because of their training in their study period and they end up at Senior management roles faster and most of Bachelor degree students end up at mid level or lower than that.
But one thing I agree because of more IIT's its quality is getting diluted but still the study experience is very useful period for any person.

I will definitely recommend IIT,GATE,AIEEE and IIM for all TN youngsters.

Not sure...may be with my experience..nothing special with them and even lacks some risk taking ..and go beyound attitude...etc

the guys next to me are from IIM(K) IIM(B) ..they are Business Analyst and i am very skeptical about the express way that will available for them alone to get into management faster...

I agree even the role they would get would be Big shot...but the reality is that there is small change in Payscale....I knew most of the Business Development managers for IT companies hold MBA....but the pay will be not more than 5-10K than the normal techi guy with similar exp...

My neighbours are from Boston/Brooklyn B schools works for the Top banks ...but end of the day if you ask them where you will be after 10 years....you won't get any surprise.....some of them totally lacks any sort of entreprenuership skills....and never would like take any sort of risks....may be because of the broughtup in the controller environment......

sorry, you do not understand jee examination. it is not easy to crack unless you dedicate 4-10 hrs a day just for it. lot of iit aspirants esp. from outside tn, give up their school education to concentrate only on iit. it is also now a fad for students from all over india to go to kota in rajasthan and do just iit coaching classes. many of these, i suppose are people who have finished their 12th and spend an additional year just to crack iit.

also, with many private engineering colleges within chennai itself, there is not much motivation for potential students to joining iit. these private engineering colleges have a better environment when compared to govt colleges including iit that have such decrepit buildings. i wonder if toilets in iit hostels are still indian style & badly maintained.

You have either agree it takes hard work and intelligence to succeed in this and these students will surmount difficulties in IITs or you have to accept the JEE entrance system is not all that great and can be cracked with the right strategy if not high level intelligence. You cannot have it both ways in this argument as I notice the arguments are laid out in this thread.

On the one hand to argue that IIT - JEE is the toughest and it takes intelligence and hard work; then on the other hand turn back and say that many a kid take the help of coaching centres who are not neccessarily talented and either don't do well or have hard time once in IITs doesn't jell.

I am OK with either of those statements but not both at the sametime.

Besides, my contention was the selection process should not just focus on the results of the exam only but a few other pertinent factors into account - like how the student did overall in last few years of school and what are the other contributions and interests which is what most global educational institutions are doing.

On the one hand to argue that IIT - JEE is the toughest and it takes intelligence and hard work; then on the other hand turn back and say that many a kid take the help of coaching centres who are not neccessarily talented and either don't do well or have hard time once in IITs doesn't jell.

I am OK with either of those statements but not both at the sametime.


i don't understand why both can't be true. iit jee is a tough exam. you need to work hard to do well to even score 30-40% and be in top 2000. in the process, they learn the sciences better.

i don't understand why both can't be true. iit jee is a tough exam. you need to work hard to do well to even score 30-40% and be in top 2000. in the process, they learn the sciences better.

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30-40%? is it enough to be in top 2000? are you sure? are you from IITs? (or) have you worked with any one from IITs and came to know about it?

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30-40%? is it enough to be in top 2000? are you sure? are you from IITs? (or) have you worked with any one from IITs and came to know about it?

yes, i passed out from iit-mumbai back in 1994. cut off's are not published. but you know how well you performed. about 15-25 years ago cut-off used to be somewhere 80-120 out of 300 depending on complexity. toppers total somewhere between 200-250. i doubt if it has changed.

Not sure...may be with my experience..nothing special with them and even lacks some risk taking ..and go beyound attitude...etc

the guys next to me are from IIM(K) IIM(B) ..they are Business Analyst and i am very skeptical about the express way that will available for them alone to get into management faster...

I agree even the role they would get would be Big shot...but the reality is that there is small change in Payscale....I knew most of the Business Development managers for IT companies hold MBA....but the pay will be not more than 5-10K than the normal techi guy with similar exp...

My neighbours are from Boston/Brooklyn B schools works for the Top banks ...but end of the day if you ask them where you will be after 10 years....you won't get any surprise.....some of them totally lacks any sort of entreprenuership skills....and never would like take any sort of risks....may be because of the broughtup in the controller environment......

i don't know what you are talking about. iit-iim guys are possibly the smartest guys to work with in india.

and seriously you are overrating entrepreunership. also, why do you expect a fresh management graduate to know all things about running a business and when his access to finance is very limited. there are thousands of global billion dollars companies where you can learn a whole lot more by working as a professional and still take risks. india is evolving to provide such platform for such professionals. even now if you go to towns such as coimbatore or tiruppur they are surprised to see well educated people working as professional in a organization than starting his own banian factory.

i'll always rather invest in a small established company rather than reinvent the wheels by myself or provide that finance to entreprenuer.

yes, i passed out from iit-mumbai back in 1994. cut off's are not published. but you know how well you performed. about 15-25 years ago cut-off used to be somewhere 80-120 out of 300 depending on complexity. toppers total somewhere between 200-250. i doubt if it has changed.
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since 1990 ( i hope the year you appeared for JEE exam) till date there were lots of changes in the format and the exam, as well as the environment of the students preparing for the exams. in 90's there are only couple of IIT-JEE training institutes, where us there are lot now a days. more over then there were only 6 or 7 IITs, but now there are 15, how many students took JEE in 1990 and how many in 2009? if the number of students appearing every year increased to proposition of new courses and the new IITs then cut off could be at 30-40%. but my question is, by scoring only 30-40% will any one be in
top 2000 in Y2010 JEE?

knowing normal distribution, when there were say 60000(not sure about this number but certainly not more, as it was 24% numbers increased from 2008) aspirant in 1990, then having close to 4L students in 2009 and commenting score of 40% will be on toppers list of 2000 seems to be a little illogical.

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i have stated what i knew of the cut off back in 80s & 90s. what is your guess on cut offs 10 or 15 years ago? i did not understand most of whatever else you have written.

here is a link from iit for jee 2009 cut offs:
http://jee.iitd.ac.in/aggregate.htm

aggregate max is 480. mark scored by 2000th rank student is 236, about 49%. this higher % is probably because of recent new format.

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i have stated what i knew of the cut off back in 80s & 90s. what is your guess on cut offs 10 or 15 years ago? i did not understand most of whatever else you have written.

here is a link from iit for jee 2009 cut offs:
http://jee.iitd.ac.in/aggregate.htm

aggregate max is 480. mark scored by 2000th rank student is 236, about 49%. this higher % is probably because of recent new format.
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I'm surprised that you are still defending. I can argue with any one from IIT- Bombay not with any one from IIT-Mumbai. :P

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defending what? i don't even understand what you are debating.

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defending what? i don't even understand what you are debating.
^^ Don't pretend too much my dear friend.
you are defending your earlier stand with all users by adding more lies.

I was told that IIT JEE system may change drastically from next year or the year next to that.

Only the top few % (may be top 5% or more) from each state board and Central Boards (may be a higher % here) will be eligible to apply for JEE. There will be a cut off on the maths & Science subjects aggregate. The qualified sudents will then have to take ONLINE Examns. The time allowed, no of attempts and negative marks for wrong answers will all be prefixed.

The combined score (HSC / PUC marks - MPC weightage plus the JEE weightage) will be taken to fix the ranks.

Since there are more no of IITs now, the selection nos will be approx 10+ % more than the required nos. The excess will be treated as Extended List. They are eligible to join IITs if there are shortfalls later or other institutions who evaluate their applicants on IIT JEE.

May be this looks better than the present system.

I was told that IIT JEE system may change drastically from next year or the year next to that.

Only the top few % (may be top 5% or more) from each state board and Central Boards (may be a higher % here) will be eligible to apply for JEE. There will be a cut off on the maths & Science subjects aggregate. The qualified sudents will then have to take ONLINE Examns. The time allowed, no of attempts and negative marks for wrong answers will all be prefixed.

The combined score (HSC / PUC marks - MPC weightage plus the JEE weightage) will be taken to fix the ranks.

Since there are more no of IITs now, the selection nos will be approx 10+ % more than the required nos. The excess will be treated as Extended List. They are eligible to join IITs if there are shortfalls later or other institutions who evaluate their applicants on IIT JEE.

May be this looks better than the present system.

This will certainly slowdown the JEE date or if its online exams (if not like GRE) then descriptive type answers will be difficult to correct.

Choosing top 5% even 20% alone is a bad choice for writing entrance itself esp when there are lot difference in the standard of examination across the states. I would prefer to continue screening exams late November, and announce the results in November itself. then have the final exams at start of May. Most schools should have finished the entire syllabus by nov end. So this will be better choice. than having the exams at early Jan.

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defending what? i don't even understand what you are debating.:lol::lol:

Hi Dis.agree,
Sorry for stepping on you, I had given enough chance to convey the message I understood you are lying and you would come up and speak, but you didn't get my point, now I had to step on you.

There are two parts to it.

1. Your argument with Arasu, in the continuity you had replied a post telling that scoring 30-40% in JEE you will be in top 2000 list.

To which I wanted to argue it is not correct, but I expected it with few more questions.

2. While answering you had lied that you were from IIT-Mumbai 1994 pass-out. (Which means that you are 35+, but I guess with the probability of 90% that you are 27-. but I might be wrong in this.)

Keeping this aside, will go with point 1.
You posted a link to official ranking of JEE for year 2009, stating that scoring 236 out of 480 (i.e.) 49% is sufficient to be in top 2000. You are equating 40% and 49%, but this is huge difference, ESP with 480 as reference.
(i) Here you made the few silly mistakes
Top 2000 scored more than 236 that means its 237, and 50% of 480 is 240, if we assume the uniform distribution with in the range of students ranking between 1501 and 2000, then with linear expression, there are around 125 students (500 students/12 marks (248-236) are the one who scored between 237 & 50% (240) so there will be at least 1875 students crossed 50%.
(ii) As per your argument 40% of 480 (taking higher range of 30-40%) is 192. When I check that this is the exact cut of for students ranked 5500. This where your equation varied a lot; where is 2000 and where is 5500? When your reply to Arasu failed in logic, you need to choose another argument to prove that he is wrong, or you need to accept that you were wrong, if you accept you were wrong, then the chain goes back to next level.

And as I told that cutoffs can still be around 30-40%, in general category it is the case (36%). That means that we are growing the seats of IITs every year, as number of aspirant grows. It basically translate into 2 or 3 among every 100 will be shortlisted.

Coming to the 2nd point; why do you think that any one cannot assess that you are lying? Is it just because none know your profile in web forum?
Truth will be consistent, but not lies.
If you are a pass-out from IIT-Bombay (Remember IIT - Bombay or IIT- Madras are not renamed, after renaming the city, my 20 odd friends used to call only by IIT-B, not IIT Mumbai) you should have understand the simple mathematics, rather than claiming that you didn't understand my wordings of normal distribution. (this is minimal expectation from IITians)

And similarly, I found lot of disagreement (I bet on your choice of user name) in earlier arguments too.

one I vaguely remember is that you jumped on Arul Murugan that you had attributed that MMDA master plan was drafted in 1970's and gave full credit for drafting; where us it was executed as Arul said during 1977 -1983-1988 in two phases. But when I added for desalination project you attribute it only for the starting of project execution and not for drafting or approving the plan. (Politics aside)

This clearly says that you are not consistent in the views as well as you have poor memory. Poor memory is negating your IIT stand.

your poor memory can also be attributed with the following post in the other thread just 7days before you claim that you are from IIT-Mumbai. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=37431646&postcount=1085

with the kind of cars average indian drives, you could easily be thrown off your lane at high wind speeds. it is not easy to keep even a honda civic on a lane at wind gusts of 40 mile/hr. i don't know if such high wind speeds hit western coast, but eastern coast is used to such cyclones. also with heavy & continous rains you could easily hydroplane.

it is better to be safe in the beginning before speed limits are increased and safe speeds is left to judgement of people.

Where, it makes very clear that you are not only not accustomed to Bombay , but to entire west coast.
I'm sorry, I forgot, you had disagreed with directions right? By the way; where is Mumbai :bash:

It clearly means that any one of your claims is wrong. There is no motivation to lie in the other thread. So it must be the claim of IIT-Mumbai.

Cool down my dear friend.:cheers: I used to see your posts with a strong wordings like "You don't understand" or "you don't know" or "I am sure you don’t know" or "you are wrong" those words will add strength only to the sentence but certainly weakens your argument, if you are confident enough, say to the point. What is the necessary to explicitly state or prove that some one didn't understand? Rather you can explain him/her. Once in a while using them is fine, but not most of the time, by opening the mind you can learn more. Again, sorry for stepping on you.:ohno:

-Bless

sabbash!!! Sariyaner po-thir

In a process akin to IIT selection process, Union Public Service Commission selects IAS, IFS,etc officers based on their performance in an exam conducted by them. These positions are permanent despite the performance (or lack of it) of the concerned. Though this process and the tenure would have been alright at the time of independence, given the changed scenario in terms of the economic and governance model, UPSC should take a relook at it.

They should hire experience professionals with good academic background along with professional track record. The tenure should be based on performance and not a permanent one i.e the government should be able to hire and fire these people.

bless: i am happy to note that you are avid reader of my comments. still i am sorry to disappoint you, but your investigations were poor and conclusions wrong.

bless: i am happy to note that you are avid reader of my comments. still i am sorry to disappoint you, but your investigations were poor and conclusions wrong.
:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

^^^^
hmm good cat fight ,a4 a period we will announce the winner:lol:

sabbash!!! Sariyaner po-thir

what is sariyaner ? ;)

what is po-thir ? :D

I think you are watching too many Tamil films, and possibly Sun TV for your own good..

More than 1000 samplings by Namakkal students on world environmental day:

http://tm.dinakaran.com/662009/TM_060609_E1_05_02%20SLM.jpg

:applause::applause:

Ms Supriya Sahu, as Collector of Nilagris arranged to plant a record 1 Million saplings and created a Guiness or Limca entry, few years back. Anyone has visited that area ? Even with 80 % survival, the area should look like a thick Forest. Or does it remain a publicity stunt?

plants need loving care atleast for 6 months after planting. this is a publicity exercise with 99% of the plants dying after 15 days.

ரொம்ப நாளாக எஃப்.எம்முக்கு கால் செய்து மொக்கைப் போட வேண்டும் என்பது ஏழுவின் ஆசை. அதிரடி ஆக்*ஷனில் இறங்கிய பாலாஜி லைனைப் போட்டு ஏழுவிடம் தந்தான். பாதி மப்பில் இருந்த ஏழு ஆரம்பித்தான்.

ஹலோ சூரியன் எஃப்.எம்

ஒழுங்கா சொல்லுங்க. ஹலோ எஃப்.எம்மா? சூரியன் எஃப்.எம்மா?

சூரியன் எஃப்.எம் தாங்க.

அப்படியா? நான் சூரியன் ஐ.பி.எஸ் ன்னுல நினைச்சிட்டு இருந்தேன்?

கடிக்காதீங்க சார். அது சூரியன் படத்துல. இது ரேடியோ ஸ்டேஷன் பேரு.

ரேடியோவ எங்க வேணா தூக்கிட்டு போலாமே. அப்புறம் ஏன் ரேடியோ ஸ்டேஷன்னு பேரு வச்சீங்க? :lol:

சூப்பர் கேள்விங்க. நான் எங்க எம்.டி கிட்ட கேட்டு சொல்றேன்.

அவங்களே டி போட்டு சொல்றீங்க. மரியாதையே இல்லையா?:lol::lol:

வழக்கமா நாங்கதான் கேள்வி கேட்போம். நீங்க ஏன் சார் கேள்வி மேல கேள்வி கேட்கறீங்க?

நீங்கதானே கேளுங்க கேளுங்க கேட்டுக்கிட்டே இருங்கன்னு சொல்றீங்க.:lol:

முடியல சார். உங்க பேரு? எங்க இருந்து கால் பண்றீங்க?

மலை. ஏழுமலை. . ஃபோனுக்கு பக்கத்துல இருந்துதான் கால் பண்றேன்.

ஓக்கே சார். போட்டி விதிமுறையெல்லாம் தெரியும்ன்னு நினைக்கிறேன். முதலில் டூயட் பாட்டு ஒன்னு பாடுங்க.

மெட்டுப் போடு.மெட்டுப் போடு. என் தாய் கொடுத்த தமிழுக்கில்லை தட்டுப்பாடு.

சார். டூயட் படப்பாட்டு இல்ல சார். காதல் பாட்டு பாட சொன்னேன்.

புறாக் கூடு போல முப்பது ரூமு..

ஓகே சார். உங்க வழிக்கே வரேன்.இந்தப் பாட்டை யார் பாடினாங்க?

நான் தாங்க பாடினேன். ஏன். நல்லாயில்லையா?

ஸப்பா. ஏன் சார்? அவர் பாடின இன்னொரு பாட்டு பாடனும். அதுக்கு சொன்னேன். சுரேஷ் பீட்டர் தான் பாடியவர். அவரின் வேற ஒரு பாட்ட பாடுங்க.

சிக்கு புக்கு சிக்கு புக்கு ரயிலே.

இல்ல சார். இதுக்கு முன்னாடி கால் பண்ண ஒரு நேயர் அத பாடிட்டாரு.

என்னங்க நீங்க. எஸ்.பி.பி ,ஜேசுதாஸ் பாடின பாட்டையே நான் திருப்பி பாடுவேன். அவங்களே ஒன்னும் சொல்ல மாட்டாங்க.

அப்படியில்ல சார்.ஒருத்தர் பாடியத இன்னொருத்தர் பாடக் கூடாது என்பது நம்ம போட்டியோட விதி.

அப்புறம் ஏங்க சுரேஷ் பீட்ட்ர்ஸ் பாடின பாட்ட பாட சொன்னீங்க?

ஓக்கே. சார். மொத ரவுண்டு முடிஞ்சுது,

அது எப்படி உங்களுக்கு தெரியும்?:lol:

சார். நான் போட்டில முதல் ரவுண்ட் முடிஞ்சுதுன்னு சொன்னேன். அடுத்த ரவுண்டுக்கு போலாமா?

நான் ரெடி.

உஙக்ளுக்கு ரொம்ப புடிச்ச கிரிக்கெட் ப்ளேயர் யாரு?

மந்திரா :cheer:

மந்திரா பேடியா?

அதெல்லாம் எனக்கு தெரியாதுங்க. பார்த்தா பொண்ணு மாதிரிதான் தெரியுது

சார். இதெல்லாம் ரொம்ப ஓவர். அவங்க கிரிக்கெட் கமெண்ட்டேட்டர். கிரவுண்டல ஆடறதுல யார புடிக்கும்?

கேத்ரினா கைஃப். அவங்க ஐ.பி.எல். ஃபைனல்ஸ்ல கிரவுண்டிலே ஆடினாங்களே. பார்க்கலையா?:lol::lol:

சார். ரொம்ப மொக்கை போடறீங்க. பரிசு வேணுமா, வேணாமா?

என்னங்க மிரட்டறீங்க? நீங்க கொடுக்கிற மொக்கைப் பட டிக்கெட்டுக்கு இவ்ளோ நேரம் கால் பண்ணி பேசறேனே. என்னை சொல்லனும்.

ஓக்கே சார் தோனியின் சொந்த ஊர் எது?

அடப்பாவி. ஒரு ஊரையே சொந்தமா விலைக்கு வாங்குற அளவுக்கு சம்பாதிச்சிட்டானா?

பதில் சொல்லுங்க சார். தெரியலன்னா லைன கட் பண்ணுங்க.

ராஞ்சி.(ஆறு சொல்லிக் கொடுக்கிறான்)

யாரு சார் அது பக்கத்துல?

ஆறு.

அதான் உங்களுக்கு பதில் சொல்லித் தந்தாரே அவரு.

அதான் ஆறு.

ஓ.ஆறுதான் அவர் பேரா? நீங்க ஏழுன்னா அவர் உங்க தம்பியா சார்?

ஆமாம். நயந்தாரா எங்க அக்கா. அடுத்த கேள்விய கேளுங்க.

அடுத்த ரவுண்ட் ஜி.கே

B.K தெரியும். அது என்ன G.K.?

சார். ஜெனரல் நாலெட்ஜ்.

அப்படி ஒரு சரக்கா?

டொக்.

ஏழுவின் நிலைய லேட்டாக புரிந்தக் கொண்ட அவர் லைனை கட் செய்கிறார்.

^^
Nice one

எங்கள் கல்லுரி நாட்களில் இதுக்கு பேர் "சரியான கடி" . இப்போது அந்த வார்த்தை உபயோகத்தில் இருக்கிறதா இல்லையா என்று தெரியவில்லை. அறிந்தவர் யாராவது சொன்னால் என்னுடைய நன்றியை தெரிவித்துக்கொள்ளுகிறேன்.

^^

Still there..... called as கடி or மொக்கை.......

Chennai becoming civil services coaching hub

Aloysius Xavier Lopez

Coaching academies have higher success rate

With zeal: Civil services aspirants at a coaching academy in Chennai on Sunday.

CHENNAI: Chennai, with a good network of libraries, coaching academies and book stores, is emerging as a destination for civil services aspirants from other States.

Phaninder Naik, one of the civil services aspirants from Andhra Pradesh said, “I have just joined a coaching academy in Chennai. The coaching is effective and availability of required books is good in book shops here.”

In the past, many civil services aspirants from various States were going to New Delhi to prepare for the competitive examination.

As the Union Public Service Commission is located in New Delhi and a large number of coaching academies are located there supported by a network of libraries and book stores, the capital city is the destination for many aspirants.

Even though the government has taken efforts to make the competitive examination affordable for the weaker sections of the society, the actual process of coaching in New Delhi is expensive. It requires several lakhs of rupees.

As many new coaching academies in cities such as Chennai have relatively affordable fee structure and a higher success rate, aspirants have started to come here for coaching, said D. Shankar, Director of Shankar IAS Academy.

It is also possible to prepare for the civil service examination with the help of libraries in the city without spending money as the State government has taken many measures to improve the condition of libraries, he said.

The city has shaped around 100 successful candidates in the civil service examination 2008. Raipally Abhilash, an aspirant, said, “Initially I wanted to go to New Delhi for preparation. When I found out that Chennai had produced many successful candidates I opted for it.”

“The trend is changing,” said Satyendra, another aspirant from Madhya Pradesh. “The need for going to New Delhi to prepare for the exam is slowly coming down,” he said.

http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/09/stories/2009060950980200.htm

^^

About civil service exams, most of the time TN perform well. It is not Chennai particular, the whole state gets the credit.

ரொம்ப நாளாக எஃப்.எம்முக்கு கால் செய்து மொக்கைப் போட வேண்டும் என்பது ஏழுவின் ஆசை. அதிரடி ஆக்*ஷனில் இறங்கிய பாலாஜி லைனைப் போட்டு ஏழுவிடம் தந்தான். பாதி மப்பில் இருந்த ஏழு ஆரம்பித்தான்.

ஹலோ சூரியன் எஃப்.எம்

ஒழுங்கா சொல்லுங்க. ஹலோ எஃப்.எம்மா? சூரியன் எஃப்.எம்மா?

சூரியன் எஃப்.எம் தாங்க.

அப்படியா? நான் சூரியன் ஐ.பி.எஸ் ன்னுல நினைச்சிட்டு இருந்தேன்?

கடிக்காதீங்க சார். அது சூரியன் படத்துல. இது ரேடியோ ஸ்டேஷன் பேரு.

ரேடியோவ எங்க வேணா தூக்கிட்டு போலாமே. அப்புறம் ஏன் ரேடியோ ஸ்டேஷன்னு பேரு வச்சீங்க? :lol:

சூப்பர் கேள்விங்க. நான் எங்க எம்.டி கிட்ட கேட்டு சொல்றேன்.

அவங்களே டி போட்டு சொல்றீங்க. மரியாதையே இல்லையா?:lol::lol:

வழக்கமா நாங்கதான் கேள்வி கேட்போம். நீங்க ஏன் சார் கேள்வி மேல கேள்வி கேட்கறீங்க?

நீங்கதானே கேளுங்க கேளுங்க கேட்டுக்கிட்டே இருங்கன்னு சொல்றீங்க.:lol:

முடியல சார். உங்க பேரு? எங்க இருந்து கால் பண்றீங்க?

மலை. ஏழுமலை. . ஃபோனுக்கு பக்கத்துல இருந்துதான் கால் பண்றேன்.

ஓக்கே சார். போட்டி விதிமுறையெல்லாம் தெரியும்ன்னு நினைக்கிறேன். முதலில் டூயட் பாட்டு ஒன்னு பாடுங்க.

மெட்டுப் போடு.மெட்டுப் போடு. என் தாய் கொடுத்த தமிழுக்கில்லை தட்டுப்பாடு.

சார். டூயட் படப்பாட்டு இல்ல சார். காதல் பாட்டு பாட சொன்னேன்.

புறாக் கூடு போல முப்பது ரூமு..

ஓகே சார். உங்க வழிக்கே வரேன்.இந்தப் பாட்டை யார் பாடினாங்க?

நான் தாங்க பாடினேன். ஏன். நல்லாயில்லையா?

ஸப்பா. ஏன் சார்? அவர் பாடின இன்னொரு பாட்டு பாடனும். அதுக்கு சொன்னேன். சுரேஷ் பீட்டர் தான் பாடியவர். அவரின் வேற ஒரு பாட்ட பாடுங்க.

சிக்கு புக்கு சிக்கு புக்கு ரயிலே.

இல்ல சார். இதுக்கு முன்னாடி கால் பண்ண ஒரு நேயர் அத பாடிட்டாரு.

என்னங்க நீங்க. எஸ்.பி.பி ,ஜேசுதாஸ் பாடின பாட்டையே நான் திருப்பி பாடுவேன். அவங்களே ஒன்னும் சொல்ல மாட்டாங்க.

அப்படியில்ல சார்.ஒருத்தர் பாடியத இன்னொருத்தர் பாடக் கூடாது என்பது நம்ம போட்டியோட விதி.

அப்புறம் ஏங்க சுரேஷ் பீட்ட்ர்ஸ் பாடின பாட்ட பாட சொன்னீங்க?

ஓக்கே. சார். மொத ரவுண்டு முடிஞ்சுது,

அது எப்படி உங்களுக்கு தெரியும்?:lol:

சார். நான் போட்டில முதல் ரவுண்ட் முடிஞ்சுதுன்னு சொன்னேன். அடுத்த ரவுண்டுக்கு போலாமா?

நான் ரெடி.

உஙக்ளுக்கு ரொம்ப புடிச்ச கிரிக்கெட் ப்ளேயர் யாரு?

மந்திரா :cheer:

மந்திரா பேடியா?

அதெல்லாம் எனக்கு தெரியாதுங்க. பார்த்தா பொண்ணு மாதிரிதான் தெரியுது

சார். இதெல்லாம் ரொம்ப ஓவர். அவங்க கிரிக்கெட் கமெண்ட்டேட்டர். கிரவுண்டல ஆடறதுல யார புடிக்கும்?

கேத்ரினா கைஃப். அவங்க ஐ.பி.எல். ஃபைனல்ஸ்ல கிரவுண்டிலே ஆடினாங்களே. பார்க்கலையா?:lol::lol:

சார். ரொம்ப மொக்கை போடறீங்க. பரிசு வேணுமா, வேணாமா?

என்னங்க மிரட்டறீங்க? நீங்க கொடுக்கிற மொக்கைப் பட டிக்கெட்டுக்கு இவ்ளோ நேரம் கால் பண்ணி பேசறேனே. என்னை சொல்லனும்.

ஓக்கே சார் தோனியின் சொந்த ஊர் எது?

அடப்பாவி. ஒரு ஊரையே சொந்தமா விலைக்கு வாங்குற அளவுக்கு சம்பாதிச்சிட்டானா?

பதில் சொல்லுங்க சார். தெரியலன்னா லைன கட் பண்ணுங்க.

ராஞ்சி.(ஆறு சொல்லிக் கொடுக்கிறான்)

யாரு சார் அது பக்கத்துல?

ஆறு.

அதான் உங்களுக்கு பதில் சொல்லித் தந்தாரே அவரு.

அதான் ஆறு.

ஓ.ஆறுதான் அவர் பேரா? நீங்க ஏழுன்னா அவர் உங்க தம்பியா சார்?

ஆமாம். நயந்தாரா எங்க அக்கா. அடுத்த கேள்விய கேளுங்க.

அடுத்த ரவுண்ட் ஜி.கே

B.K தெரியும். அது என்ன G.K.?

சார். ஜெனரல் நாலெட்ஜ்.

அப்படி ஒரு சரக்கா?

டொக்.

ஏழுவின் நிலைய லேட்டாக புரிந்தக் கொண்ட அவர் லைனை கட் செய்கிறார்.

just hilarious ,keep it up

கேரள ஆளுநருக்கு எதிராக ஜூன் 13-ல் தமிழகத்தில் தர்ணா: மார்க்சிஸ்ட் கட்சி அறிவிப்பு

சென்னை, ஜூன் 9: மார்க்சிஸ்ட் கட்சியின் கேரள மாநில செயலாளர் பினராயி விஜயன் மீது வழக்குத் தொடர, அம்மாநில ஆளுநர் அனுமதி அளித்துள்ளார். இதைக் கண்டித்து ஜூன் 13-ம் தேதி தமிழகமெங்கும் தர்ணா நடைபெறும் என மார்க்சிஸ்ட் கட்சி அறிவித்துள்ளது.

இது குறித்து அக்கட்சியின் மாநிலச் செயலாளர் என். வரதராஜன் செவ்வாய்க்கிழமை வெளியிட்ட அறிக்கை:

கேரளத்தில் 1998-ல் இடதுசாரி ஜனநாயக முன்னணி அரசில் பினராயி விஜயன் மின்துறை அமைச்சராகப் பணியாற்றினார். அப்போது மூன்று மின் திட்டப் பணிகளில் முறைகேடு நடைபெற்றதாக, பின்னர் வந்த காங்கிரஸ் தலைமையிலான அரசு வழக்குத் தொடர்ந்தது. ஆனால் முறைகேடு எதுவும் நடைபெறவில்லை என்றும், விஜயன் குற்றமற்றவர் என்றும் நிரூபிக்கப்பட்டது. வழக்கும் கைவிடப்பட்டது.

இந்நிலையில், மாநில அமைச்சரவை பரிந்துரையை மீறி, விஜயன் மீது சி.பி.ஐ. வழக்குத் தொடர கேரள மாநில ஆளுநர் தன்னிச்சையாக அனுமதி அளித்துள்ளார். இது அரசியலமைப்புச் சட்ட விதிகளுக்கு எதிரானதாகும்.

இது மார்க்சிஸ்ட் கட்சி மீதும், மாநிலச் செயலாளர் பினராயி விஜயன் மீதும் களங்கத்தை ஏற்படுத்தி, அரசியல் ஆதாயம் தேடும் செயலாகும்.

இந்த ஜனநாயக விரோத நடவடிக்கையைக் கண்டித்து, தமிழகத்தில் ஜூன் 13-ம் தேதி அனைத்து மாவட்டத் தலைநகரங்களிலும் தர்ணா நடைபெறும் என வரதராஜன் கூறியுள்ளார்.

^^

About civil service exams, most of the time TN perform well. It is not Chennai particular, the whole state gets the credit.

Please provide the link.

^^ What Arul says is true. Percentage of TN canditates who pass the civil services exam has been quite high right from the beginning.

Seeing this NTR wanted to bring state level quota for Civil Services exams, i.e. fixed number of seats for each state based on its popultion. Central Govt didnt agree (thanks to heavy lobby by MGR's govt) and NTR retaliated by refusing to give medical college seats for All India medical exams. I think even now there is no central govt quota in AP medical colleges.

The percentage of rural TN candiates passing the exam has increased in the last decade, especially after allowing to take the exams in Tamil

எங்கள் கல்லுரி நாட்களில் இதுக்கு பேர் "சரியான கடி" . இப்போது அந்த வார்த்தை உபயோகத்தில் இருக்கிறதா இல்லையா என்று தெரியவில்லை. அறிந்தவர் யாராவது சொன்னால் என்னுடைய நன்றியை தெரிவித்துக்கொள்ளுகிறேன்.

its called blade or rupperu

plants need loving care at least for 6 months after planting. this is a publicity exercise with 99% of the plants dying after 15 days.

True, it depends on the variety planted, some trees are hardy and can survive the harshest of environments. Hopefully the tree planters pay attention to their efforts over time. I think awareness is key, publicity exercise or otherwise. Instead of people spending on extravagant ceremonies say birthdays, anniversaries, etc a community service act is much more useful like planting a tree, volunteering at a community event/service. The devastation caused by an increasing world population is putting the planet into peril and irreparable damage/loss. Our only salvation for a better future is giving nature a chance to flourish once again.

The old highways used to have trees planted on either side, providing a means to soak up the exhaust fumes of vehicles. Nowadays modern highways are neglecting to plant trees. The center divides has a few plants and shrubs. India's increasing car population requires an increasing amount of trees to offset the carbon footprint.

^^

Still there..... called as கடி or மொக்கை.......

Thanks Arul. I am quite familiar with கடி but haven't heard of மொக்கை. I don't know if it is commonly used in all of TN or a regional variation.

its called blade or rupperu

'Blade' is a commonly used word and understood by most as English is used by all. I am not familiar with 'rupperu' though.

Arul, it was a refreshingly light hearted kadi. :) Thanks.

The old highways used to have trees planted on either side, providing a means to soak up the exhaust fumes of vehicles.

i don't think that is true. grown up tree is carbon neutral. they absorb co2 during day and release them during night. infact cutting a few of those old highway trees and creating space for planting new ones would help to absorb co2 from atmosphere.

Take a break from your busy schedule and enjoy....


Sardar: I think that girl is deaf..
Friend: How do u know?
Sardar: I told I Love her, but she said her chappals are new

Friend: I got a brand new Ford IKON for my wife!
Sardar: Wow!!! That's an unbelievable exchange offer!!!

Teacher: Which is the oldest animal in world?
Sardar: ZEBRA
Teacher: How?
Sardar: Bcoz it is Black & White

Sardar: Miss, Do u called 2 my mobile?
Teacher: Me? No, why?
Sardar: Yesterday I saw in my mobile- "1 Miss Call".

Judge: Don't U have shame? It is d 3rd time U R coming to court.
Sardar to judge: U R coming daily, don't U have shame?

Question: "Should W omen have Children after 35?"
Smart Sardar Replied: "No!
35 Children R More than Enough!!"

Sir: What is difference between Orange and Apple?
Sardar: Color of Orange is orange, but color of Apple is not
APPLE.

Sardar attending an interview in Software Company.
Manager: Do U know MS Office?
Sardar: If U give me the address I will go there sir.

Sardar in airplane going 2 Bombay ... While its landing he
shouted: " Bombay ... Bombay "
Air hostess said: "B silent."
Sardar: "Ok. Ombay. Ombay"

Sardar got a sms from his girl friend:
"I MISS YOU"
Sar d arji replied:
"I Mr YOU" !!.

Son: papa, 4+3 kithne hai?
Sardar: ullu ke patthe gadhe idiot naalaayak besharam tujhe kuch
nahi aathaa? Jaa andhar se CALCULATOR le ke Aa..

After finishing MBBS Sardar started his practice. He Checked 1st
Patient's Eyes, Tongue & Ears By Torch &
Finallly Said:
"Torch is okay"

Sardar1: Oye, what will happen if electricity is not discovered?
Sardar2: Nothing, we must watch TV in candle light.

Teacher: "What is common between JESUS, KRISHNA , RAM, GANDHI
and BUDHA?"
Sardar: "All are born on government holidays...!!!


Have a nice day

Anirudh
Salem

TN students performed poorly when compared to our neighbour.
TN- Around 250 seats
AP- Around 1850 seats

Great job AP
This is a area TN is beaten left and right by AP

Whether IIT-JEE,Gate,US-MS admissions TN performs relatively poor to AP
Once again congrat AP and TN should learn from AP

Guys what might be the reason for TN students not showing interest in these higher exams.

Are they content once they finish engg and end up as a Software engineer in TCS or wipro.

Any thoughts.

I wont agree about AP students being better than TN but i have to agree AP's HR is the finest in India you name any field, IIT, IIM, to some extent IAS, number of students going to US, UK or Australia AP will be the number 1.
They have excellant mathematics curriculum in State. That being said, I feel AP students do not outshine in the corporate sector very much I wonder why? also number of fake certificates unethical resume inflation is high from P people. Even in the US rcentage of AP students drops significantly in ivy league schools compared to avg schools.

TN should learn from AP in about the importance of competetion. Our higher secondary education needs refinement and we need to change from this theory based exams to entrance.

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What Arul says is true. Percentage of TN canditates who pass the civil services exam has been quite high right from the beginning.

Seeing this NTR wanted to bring state level quota for Civil Services exams, i.e. fixed number of seats for each state based on its popultion. Central Govt didnt agree (thanks to heavy lobby by MGR's govt) and NTR retaliated by refusing to give medical college seats for All India medical exams. I think even now there is no central govt quota in AP medical colleges.

The percentage of rural TN candiates passing the exam has increased in the last decade, especially after allowing to take the exams in Tamil
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Chennai desi,

You can get lots of link in net. And even for 2009, TN state alone contributed nearly 10% in UPSC results. You cannot get the links for what happened before 2005.

If you don't believe what me and Anniyan say, please make tour to all the states and get feed back from the common people to know TN's contribution to central gvt work force i.e civil service.

Take a break from your busy schedule and enjoy....


How will the concerned people feel, if the word 'Sardar' is replaced by words like 'Iyer, Yadav,Nair,Patel ' etc ?

My sympathies are with Sardars.

In 1950s and 60s, TN candiates were passing lot in Civil services exams. In one particular year about 30% were from TN

That time students from Loyola college, chennai were the high fliers in IAS,IPS exams. Those days Written and communication English apart from Economics were important subjects.

Later Hindi became prominent and students from Bihar, UP dominated civil services results in 1980 and 90ss.

But recently again from TN, good contribution is coming. But nothing can match the stat of 1960s

Thanks Arul,Annian,R2I and Eswaran

TN is still doing relatively well in Civil services, but in Engineering stream like IIT,GATE,US and UK MS etc they are well behind AP and some efforts has to me made by Govt or Social service agencies to motivate students to enter this areas. Also the TN govt syllabus should match CBSE so TN students can go to engg colleges in other states.

TN population is 6 % of India and TN should get at least 10 % in these areas so that we are not left behind.

i don't think that is true. grown up tree is carbon neutral. they absorb co2 during day and release them during night. infact cutting a few of those old highway trees and creating space for planting new ones would help to absorb co2 from atmosphere.

Old Growth Forests Are Valuable Carbon Sinks

ScienceDaily (Sep. 14, 2008) — Contrary to 40 years of conventional wisdom, a new analysis published in the journal Nature suggests that old growth forests are usually "carbon sinks" - they continue to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and mitigate climate change for centuries.

However, these old growth forests around the world are not protected by international treaties and have been considered of no significance in the national "carbon budgets" as outlined in the Kyoto Protocol. That perspective was largely based on findings of a single study from the late 1960s which had become accepted theory, and scientists now say it needs to be changed.

"Carbon accounting rules for forests should give credit for leaving old growth forest intact," researchers from Oregon State University and several other institutions concluded in their report. "Much of this carbon, even soil carbon, will move back to the atmosphere if these forests are disturbed."

The analysis of 519 different plot studies found that about 15 percent of the forest land in the Northern Hemisphere is unmanaged primary forests with large amounts of old growth, and that rather than being irrelevant to the Earth's carbon budget, they may account for as much as 10 percent of the global net uptake of carbon dioxide.

In forests anywhere between 15 and 800 years of age, the study said, the net carbon balance of the forest and soils is usually positive – meaning they absorb more carbon dioxide than they release.

"If you are concerned about offsetting greenhouse gas emissions and look at old forests from nothing more than a carbon perspective, the best thing to do is leave them alone," said Beverly Law, professor of forest science at OSU and director of the AmeriFlux network, a group of 90 research sites in North and Central America that helps to monitor the current global "budget" of carbon dioxide.

Forests use carbon dioxide as building blocks for organic molecules and store it in woody tissues, but that process is not indefinite. In the 1960s, a study using 10 years worth of data from a single plantation suggested that forests 150 or more years old give off as much carbon as they take up from the atmosphere, and are thus "carbon neutral."

"That's the story that we all learned for decades in ecology classes," Law said. "But it was just based on observations in a single study of one type of forest, and it simply doesn't apply in all cases. The current data now makes it clear that carbon accumulation can continue in forests that are centuries old."

When an old growth forest is harvested, Law said, studies show that there's a new input of carbon to the atmosphere for about 5-20 years, before the growing young trees begin to absorb and sequester more carbon than they give off. The creation of new forests, whether naturally or by humans, is often associated with disturbance to soil and the previous vegetation, resulting in decomposition that exceeds for some period the net primary productivity of re-growth.

Old growth forests, the study said, continue to sequester carbon for many centuries. And when individual trees die due to lightning, insects, fungal attack or other causes, there is generally a second canopy layer waiting in the shade to take over and maintain productivity.

One implication of the study, Law said, is that nations with significant amounts of old forests may find it somewhat easier to offset greenhouse gas emissions if those forests are left intact. It will also be necessary, she said, for land surface models that attempt to define carbon balance to better characterize function of old forests.

Many of the conclusions from the study were based on data acquired from the AmeriFlux and CarboEurope programs, researchers said. Multiple funding sources included the U.S. Department of Energy, CarboEurope, the European Union, and others. Authors were from institutions in the U.S., Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, France and the United Kingdom.
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Also the TN govt syllabus should match CBSE so TN students can go to engg colleges in other states.
^^
This statement could be argued a lot, Thanks for brining in.

1. With my experience in taking tutions during my college days, I think syllabus (the content) is very same for any of the board exams. But the mode of examination and depth of understanding differs a lot, Thats what distinguishes, I would say if any two having similar IQ, doing their studies in two different board exams, the one in the lower standard will not suffer much in a long run, provided he is confident enough.

2. I believe, the trend of lenient in examination started in TN 20 -30 years back to improve the number graduates every year to have better scope. We can very well see the number of pass percentage for 10, + 2 increased a lot from 20 years back. And this was also supported by the number of self financing colleges in Tamil nadu. I belive TN is the first to support self financing engineering college (in 1984, there were 10 colleges started, those include, satyabama, cresent, barath, rvc dindugul etc...) And in my opinion that is the reason TN has more number of Eng colleges today than any other state, the trend becomes- TN means only techis, and not on managements, or business. now we are trying to fill the gap.

If we were strict in the exams, we would have had very few very talented proffessionals, but would have failed to produce more average(or mass) proffessionals. On the other hand, we had slightly compromising the very talented.
Why Slightly? in my view, its because of competition you would get for the survival. And the state of mind of people in 70's or 80s are not the same. that time we had less exposures, parents need to risk whether he will become engineer or not or should they send him/her to ITI or deplamo. Basically this will bring down your confidence.

The psychology plays a major role in it, if any one from CBSE, with out any doubt we used to think that he is talented than any one from State board. That inherited feelings brings down the performance.

And in general, This change that stared in 30 years back, made us any average in TN is more promising than that of most other states in India.

When this is promising enough and brought good results in TN, why should we be more strict on the exams just for the sake of few IITs?
--Bless

In the state, the % age of success is measured in the no of students passed and not on the quality of those who passed. To make it a tall figure, the standards are being lowered. Grace marks are given to push even borderline candidtates to pass.

Since the Tamil mediums students were not able to compete with English medium students in the state level TN Engg entrance, the examns were scrapped. No way Tamil medium students are inferior except that they are more comfortable with writing in Tamil. The Govt should have given some free special coaching for them rather than scrapping the entrance. The crux of the problem is that the state board is mainly the Rote model where one can score high simply by mugging up, whereas in CBSE, it is much better.

How will the concerned people feel, if the word 'Sardar' is replaced by words like 'Iyer, Yadav,Nair,Patel ' etc ?

My sympathies are with Sardars.

Sardarji jokes are not new but ageold phenomina.. Even sardarjis themselves had authored similar jokes, also pl note therewere n number of comedies made around on some of those categories of people you had mentioned and as long as it is for humour ,people enjoy it ....

However I regret if this has hurt anyone....

I understood that I need to be cautious even in Arattai arangam

Anirudh
salem