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kg4129

September 14th, 2009, 01:17 PM

Not for political debate...

சென்னை: நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் தனது துறை சம்பந்தப்பட்ட வினாக்களுக்கு பதில் அளிக்காமல் ஒவ்வொரு முறையும் அமைச்சர் அழகிரி அவையை விட்டு ஓடி வருவதாக அதிமுக பொதுச் செயலாளர் ஜெயலலிதா கூறியுள்ளார்.

அவர் வெளியிட்டுள்ள அறிக்கை:

''கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்து முன் தோன்றிய மூத்த மொழி'' என்ற பெருமைக்குரிய மொழி தமிழ்மொழி. மிகத் தொன்மையும், வரலாற்றுப் பின்னணியும் கொண்ட மொழி தமிழ்மொழி. இப்படிப்பட்ட சிறப்பு வாய்ந்த தமிழ்மொழி தன்னால் தான் செம்மொழி ஆக்கப்பட்டதாக தம்பட்டம் அடித்துக் கொள்கிறார் திமுக அரசின் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதி.

ஆனால், இத்தகைய சிறப்பு வாய்ந்த தமிழ்மொழி மூலம் இந்திய நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் ஓர் அமைச்சர் பேச முடியாத துர்ப்பாக்கிய சூழ்நிலை ஏற்பட்டிருப்பது உண்மையிலேயே மிகுந்த மன வருத்தத்தை அளிக்கிறது.

நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் ஓர் அமைச்சகம் சம்பந்தப்பட்ட வினாக்கள், கவனஈர்ப்பு தீர்மானங்கள், ஒத்திவைப்பு தீர்மானங்கள் ஆகியவற்றிற்கு பதில் அளிக்க வேண்டிய பொறுப்பு அந்தத் துறை சம்பந்தப்பட்ட அமைச்சருக்கு உண்டு.

அந்த வகையில் ரசாயனம் மற்றும் உரத்துறை தொடர்பான வினாக்களுக்கு பதில் அளிக்க வேண்டிய பொறுப்பு, அந்தத் துறையின் அமைச்சர் மு.க.அழகிரியை சாரும்.

சென்ற நாடாளுமன்ற கூட்டத் தொடரின் போது ரசாயனம் மற்றும் உரத் துறை தொடர்பான வினாவை சபாநாயகர் எடுத்துக் கொள்ளப் போகிறார் என்ற உடனேயே, இந்தத் துறையின் அமைச்சரான அழகிரி அவையை விட்டு ஓடி ஒளிந்து கொள்வதை வாடிக்கையாக கொண்டிருந்ததாகவும், இதன் காரணமாக இந்தத் துறையின் இணையமைச்சர் பதில் அளிக்க வேண்டிய நிர்ப்பந்தத்திற்கு ஆளாக்கப்பட்டதாகவும், பத்திரிகைகளில் செய்திகள் வந்துள்ளன.

இவ்வாறு துறை சம்பந்தப்பட்ட வினாக்களுக்கு பதில் அளிக்காமல் ஒவ்வொரு முறையும் மத்திய அமைச்சர் அவையை விட்டு ஓடுவதன் காரணமாக நாடாளுமன்ற உறுப்பினர்கள் எரிச்சலடைந்து அமைச்சரை பரிகாசம் செய்வதாகவும், ‘ஓடி ஒளிந்து கொள்ளும் அமைச்சர்’ குறித்து எதிர்க்கட்சி உறுப்பினர்கள் தொடர்ந்து குரல் எழுப்பி வருவதாகவும் செய்திகள் வெளிவந்துள்ளன.

இந்தச் சூழ்நிலையில் நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் தமிழில் பேச அனுமதி கேட்டு மத்திய ரசாயனம் மற்றும் உரத்துறை அமைச்சர் மு.க.அழகிரி மக்களவைச் செயலகத்திற்கு வேண்டுகோள் விடுத்துள்ளார் என்றும், இது போன்ற விசித்திரமான வேண்டுகோளை வைக்கும் முதல் மத்திய அமைச்சர் அழகிரிதான் என்றும், ஆனால் இது நடைமுறையில் சாத்தியமில்லாத ஒன்று என்று கூறி, அழகிரியின் கோரிக்கையை மக்களவைச் செயலகம் நிராகரித்து விட்டதாகவும் பத்திரிகைகளில் செய்திகள் வெளி வந்துள்ளன.இதன் காரணமாக ஒரு மத்திய அமைச்சர் நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் வாயில்லா பூச்சியாக செயல்பட வேண்டிய துர்ப்பாக்கிய சூழ்நிலை உருவாகியுள்ளது. இந்த நிலை நீடித்தால், மத்திய அமைச்சர் தன்னுடைய ஆழ்ந்த கருத்துக்களை, சிந்தனைகளை, யோசனைகளை, அறிவாற்றலை எப்படி நாடாளுமன்றத்திலே எடுத்துரைக்க முடியும்? எப்படி வெளிப்படுத்த முடியும்?.

ஆங்கிலம் மற்றும் இந்தி அல்லாத பிற மொழிகளில் அதாவது பிராந்திய மொழிகளில் ஒருவர் பேசியதை பிறருக்குத் தேவைப்படும் மொழியில் மொழி பெயர்த்துக் கூறும் வசதி உறுப்பினர்களுக்கு மட்டும்தான் அளிக்கப்படுகிறது. அமைச்சர்களை பொறுத்தவரை அவர்கள் இந்தி அல்லது ஆங்கிலத்தில்தான் பேச வேண்டும் என்று நாடாளுமன்ற அதிகாரிகள் கூறுவதாக செய்திகள் வருகின்றன.
உறுப்பினர்களுக்கே இந்த வசதி செய்து தரப்படும்போது அமைச்சருக்கு ஏன் இந்த வசதியை செய்து தரக் கூடாது? அப்படியென்றால் இந்தி மற்றும் ஆங்கிலம் தெரியாதவர்கள் எப்படி மத்திய அமைச்சராக செயல்பட முடியும்? அவர்கள் பொம்மையாக இருக்க வேண்டியதுதானா?.

தமிழ்! தமிழ்மொழி! செம்மொழி என்று சொல்லி தன் மகள் கனிமொழிக்கு நாடாளுமன்ற உறுப்பினர் பதவியை பெற்றுக்கொடுத்த திமுக அரசின் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதி, நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் ஓர் அமைச்சருக்கு தமிழில் பேச உரிமை இல்லை என்பதை பார்த்துக் கொண்டு வாய்மூடி மவுனியாக இருக்கிறாரே? மத்திய அரசை தட்டிக் கேட்க மாட்டாரா?.
ஒருவேளை இதைத் தட்டிக் கேட்பதன் மூலம் தன் குடும்பத்தில் ஏதாவது சிக்கல் நேரிடும் என்று நினைக்கிறாரா? இல்லை, தன்னுடைய மகன் நாடாளுமன்றதில் பேசுவதை விட, பேசாமல் இருப்பதே மேல் என்று நினைக்கிறாரா? இல்லை அமைச்சர் பதவி என்பது வருமானம் ஈட்டுவதற்காகத்தான் என்று எண்ணி தன்னுடைய மகன் நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் பேசினால் என்ன, பேசாவிட்டால் என்ன என்று கருதுகிறாரா?.

எது எப்படியோ, தமிழ்நாட்டு முதலமைச்சராக இருந்து கொண்டு தாய்மொழியாம் தமிழ்மொழியை பாதுகாக்க வேண்டிய தன்னுடைய கடமையிலிருந்து கருணாநிதி நழுவிவிட்டார்.
“உறவுக்குக் கை கொடுப்போம்; உரிமைக்குக் குரல் கொடுப்போம்” என்ற கொள்கை எல்லாம் வெறும் வாயளவில் மட்டும்தான் என்பதை தற்போது கருணாநிதி நிரூபித்து விட்டார்.

“வீழ்வது நாமாக இருப்பினும், வாழ்வது தமிழாக இருக்கட்டும்” என்று எட்டளவில் சொல்லி எந்தப் பயனும் இல்லை. தமிழ் வீழ்கின்ற இந்தச் சூழ்நிலையில் மத்திய அமைச்சரவையிலிருந்து விலகிக் கொள்வதே சிறந்த வழி என்று கூறியுள்ளார் ஜெயலலிதா .

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2009/09/14/tn-why-alagiri-is-escaping-asks-jayalalitha.html

natarajan1986

September 14th, 2009, 01:34 PM

^^
only one person in tn who has guts to speak against these netas:lol:
she :rock::rock:
:applause:

Arul Murugan

September 14th, 2009, 01:44 PM

^^

Why ministers are not allowed to speak in regional language for debates? Will MK make way for allowing the regional languages as a debatable languages even for minsters?

or they will teach Hindi for minister to make the debate? I guess the 2nd one is going to happen, as now TN politicos does not have any voice in Delhi.

Who knows, slowly Hindi may be imposed on TN by central party blackmailing the state party! As already they are openly speaking up Hindi should be compulsory for all CBSE schools in all states. We have seen the boards on National highways also become Hindi...

Arul Murugan

September 14th, 2009, 01:46 PM

^^
only one person in tn who has guts to speak against these netas:lol:
she :rock::rock:
:applause:

If she have put these questions to central government directly through those so called national media (nope they are Hindi states english media :lol:) then surely we can applause her guts.

jaish

September 14th, 2009, 03:25 PM

Whatever she said is correct. This is called great Indian unity.

madurai veeran

September 14th, 2009, 05:37 PM

If she have put these questions to central government directly through those so called national media (nope they are Hindi states english media :lol:) then surely we can applause her guts.

Arul you missed out the politics behind her speech. Already relationship between DMK and Congress is getting from bad to worse. You must have seen that during the recent Rahul's TN trip. She is only trying to increase the rift between those two parties. If she had raised this Tamil language issue with centre then it becomes TN and Tamil Vs center issue. But she wants DMK to deal with Congress to get this sorted out or fight it out.

Out of context issue, did you guys see how Vijay had dropped his political ambitions to join the Congress party due to alleged DMK threat. It is believed that DMK had threatened that they would not allow screening of any of his future movies if he joined Congress. Vijay had met Rahul few weeks back, and was planning to officially join Congress party during Rahul's TN visit. It was really funny to see in yesterday's interview to press people, were he said he talked with Rahul only about his movies and on-going movie and nothing about politics during his Delhi visit :lol:.

kg4129

September 14th, 2009, 06:08 PM

^^Nothing but another joker on the rise...:lol::lol:

Don't worry, dust will come down after flop of 2 or 3 films ....:lol:

Arasu

September 14th, 2009, 09:01 PM

All these jokers (Amma, Thatha and others) will pawn the country, state for their personal aggrandisement. There is no national interest or the interest of the people whenever they act or speak. Only God ( for lack of anything or anyone else) can save this country.

In our country, the spirit of the law is shown the door but people at power will hold on to the letter of the law whenever the letter of the law can be used to deny any one or a group of people their rights. In this case, to deny a minister to speak in an official language of a state in the parliament of the country is a shameful act on the pretext that this provision is applicable for the MPs only. This is how how ordinary citizens are deprived of their right in this country and it is in the same manner even the law makers of this country are deprived of their rights.

In this shameful episode, it is even forgotten that a minister is an MP first and a minister later. It must be remembered that this is a great obstacle place before the non Hindi speaking people. If a person from TN has to go jump through such an obstacle course to become a minister, imagine how much he/she will have to endure to become the PM.

The MPs belonging to all the parties from TN should come together and raise an issue instead of bickering about it along the party lines.

satishanu

September 14th, 2009, 09:07 PM

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Video/61699/86/'Punjab,+Delhi+are+best+states'.html

Punjab, Delhi are best states of India. Videos work in IE not in Firefox.

Arul Murugan

September 15th, 2009, 03:22 AM

Arul you missed out the politics behind her speech. Already relationship between DMK and Congress is getting from bad to worse. You must have seen that during the recent Rahul's TN trip. She is only trying to increase the rift between those two parties. If she had raised this Tamil language issue with centre then it becomes TN and Tamil Vs center issue. But she wants DMK to deal with Congress to get this sorted out or fight it out.

Out of context issue, did you guys see how Vijay had dropped his political ambitions to join the Congress party due to alleged DMK threat. It is believed that DMK had threatened that they would not allow screening of any of his future movies if he joined Congress. Vijay had met Rahul few weeks back, and was planning to officially join Congress party during Rahul's TN visit. It was really funny to see in yesterday's interview to press people, were he said he talked with Rahul only about his movies and on-going movie and nothing about politics during his Delhi visit :lol:.

Yes the intention is much clearer, It is break DMK and Congress so that state gvt will fall and they can align with INC. That will never happen! for that the minster may go for spoken Hindi class.

He is another joker! Looks he don't know the kids/teens below age 18 cannot vote in elections.:lol:

natarajan1986

September 15th, 2009, 12:43 PM

Former Bollywood actor and Samajwadi Party MP Jaya Prada got a taste of daily risks and problems faced by the locals in her constituency Rampur.
During a tour of the flood hit rural areas of her constituency she along with her entourage was riding a bullockcart - the only means of transport in the flood-hit rural pocket of Rampur. It took to a road that was immersed in water, the actress could not help but hold her breath.
As the cart moved ahead, the level of water began to rise and so did the level of her nervousness - which was by now noticeable on her face. It was here that one of the wheels of the cart apparently rolled into a ditch, tilting the cart to one side.
Fearing a collapse, the MP shrieked in a reflex, even crying for help. Aware of the media persons travelling with her, the actress was, however, quick to regain her poise. By the time Jaya’s tour concluded, the MP was more than familiar with the life that the people of her constituency are forced to live. Needless to mention, Jaya assured the locals that she would ensure that a metalled road is laid on the route immediately after the flood waters receded.
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2009/09/15/10/Img/Pc0101400.jpg
source (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOICH&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI&Enter=true&Skin=TOINEW&GZ=T)
we should experiment this with our old tn netas:lol:

venkatm

September 15th, 2009, 05:59 PM

all this tamil promotion is a gimmick that has outlived its reason (DMK needing to come to power) by 4 decades.

HC's, SC and Parliament should only use English. we should not spend our taxpayer money translating fron umpteen regional languages to other languages.

Getting classical language status was another fraud. what was gained out of it?

pdykid

September 15th, 2009, 06:11 PM

Festivities across Tamil Nadu on Tuesday marked the completion of the year-long birth centenary celebrations of DMK founder and former chief minister C N Annadurai, a man who changed the political spectrum of the southern state in 1960s.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/

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from Kodanadu estate

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from chennai

TM

Brand coimbatore

September 15th, 2009, 09:15 PM

yes the govt is silently forcing hindi into d southern states and one such move is d destination n sign boards along national highways running across d states have hindi version as well.
earlier when they stated writing hindi in milestone, it was opposed by then cm jaya.. i dont know why karuna is silent about this?

gvijayan

September 15th, 2009, 11:48 PM

^^ Even PMK went ahead and applied Tar the hindi writings on the sign boards.

natarajan1986

September 16th, 2009, 02:56 AM

10 deadly terrorists released by karuna for celebration of anna birthday

Brand coimbatore

September 16th, 2009, 04:11 AM

probably madurai anna wants them, for law n order purpose...

Bless

September 16th, 2009, 07:04 AM

10 deadly terrorists released by karuna for celebration of anna birthday

^^
Wasn't their action, one of the main reason for DMK losing 2001?

Oswald Quentin

September 16th, 2009, 07:23 AM

10 deadly terrorists released by karuna for celebration of anna birthday

last year 1400 prisoners were released on anna's birthday :ohno:

It was really funny to see in yesterday's interview to press people, were he said he talked with Rahul only about his movies and on-going movie and nothing about politics during his Delhi visit :lol:.

:rofl:

HC's, SC and Parliament should only use English. we should not spend our taxpayer money translating fron umpteen regional languages to other languages.

We already have a pending cases list that is growing exponentially.We don't another setback.:bash:

natarajan1986

September 16th, 2009, 02:29 PM

In a controversial move, 10 prisoners belonging to the outlawed Al-Umma, who were serving sentences for their role in the Coimbatore serial blasts of 1998, will be released on Tuesday to coincide with the birth centenary celebrations of DMK founder and former chief minister CN Annadurai.
The state government on Monday announced that prisoners sentenced to specific terms and who had completed 10 years in jail would be released, with the consent of the governor, to mark the conclusion of Anna’s birth centenary celebrations. “As per this norm, 10 prisoners will be freed on September 15,” it said.
The release did not disclose the names of the prisoners, but enquiries revealed that they were all convicts in the Coimbatore blasts case. According to sources, the 10 convicts to be freed are Shahul Hameed, Abdul Rahman, Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Farook, Yousuf, Abbas, Yousuf alias Shahjahan, Ashraf, Mohammed Farook and Abdul Rahoof, all members of the Islamic extremist group. They are all serving 13-year sentences and have been in custody since mid-1998, which means that they have completed roughly a little more than 11 years of their sentences. Of these, Yousuf alias Shajahan may not be able to avail of the remission immediately, as he is facing another case, the sources said.
In October 2007, the special court in Coimbatore had sentenced 43 persons, including Al-Umma founder SA Basha and another leader Mohammed Ansari, to life terms and 15 others to 13 years’ rigorous imprisonment. Ten others were awarded 10-year terms and a couple of convicts got seven-year prison terms. The case pertained to the February 14, 1998, blasts in Coimbatore city, in which 58 people were killed and which, the prosecution argued, was aimed at the assassination of BJP leader LK Advani, who was due to address a public meeting in the textile city that day.
Mass remission questioned in the past
The TN government has been releasing numerous prisoners in connection with Anna’s birth anniversary. Last year, over 1,400 prisoners were set free on September 15 to mark the commencement of Anna’s birth centenary celebrations. Convicts freed included many serving life terms, who had completed only seven years of their sentence. But the government then said it would not free prisoners convicted in cases involving explosives, arms, narcotics or crimes against women, such as rape and murder. The mass remission led to criticism, and a PIL against it was filed by Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy. This year, the government played it safe by fixing the norm as “those who have served 10 years after being sentenced to a fixed term”. However, the move is likely to be questioned since the convicts are serving sentences for involvement in an act of terrorism. More than 1,400 prisoners were released last year
Chennai: The DMK government released over 1,400 prisoners on September 15 last year to mark the commencement of Anna’s birth centenary celebrations. The mass remission led to some criticism and a petition challenging the release is pending in the Supreme Court. This time, the government has played it safe by fixing the norm as “those who have served 10 years in prison after being sentenced to a fixed term”.
Stating that the decision was in conformity with law and was in exercise of the government’s prerogative, a senior official said this time the benefit had been extended to convicts sentenced for fixed terms rather than the lifers. Article 161of the Constitution empowers the governor to grant pardon, commutation or remission of sentence to any prisoner. Officials also pointed out that all prisoners were entitled to remission of 48 days for every year served on grounds of good conduct.
Jurists pointed out that while the power of the state to grant remission was absolute, while exercising the power the government must take into account all relevant factors, such as the antecedents of the convict and the impact of his release on society. “If any extraneous considerations are brought to the courts’ notice, it can be stalled,” said a senior jurist. Interestingly, both Hindu and Muslim outfits have made a pitch for grant of pardon to convicts belong to their respective communities in the recent past. State BJP president L Ganesan even called on chief minister M Karunanidhi a fortnight ago, seeking the release of three persons owing allegiance to Hindu outfits. Muslim outfits and human rights organizations were arguing the cause of scores of Muslim prisoners lodged in prison following the 1998 Coimbatore blasts cases.
source (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOICH&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI&Enter=true&Skin=TOINEW&GZ=T)
only god can save us from this netas :nuts:

Arul Murugan

September 16th, 2009, 03:14 PM

Another stunt going on media and central gvt!!

This paper says Ministers Maran and Raja went in Economy class but ADMK MP Maitheriyan went in business class.

http://tm.dinakaran.com/showxml.aspx?id=189908&code=17288

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why can't Nilgiri's MP & Minster Raja go in unreserved compartment of Chennai-Coimbatore/Mettupalayam Nilgiri express one time when he goes to visit Nilagiri?

And let Minister Alagiri try to enter Chennai-Madurai Pandian express in the mid of the week Wednesday atleast one time!!

And we should send Minister KN Nehru in Chennai-Kanykumari Dabba SETC bus atleast one time. The bus should have all facilities like

1. The window of the bus cannot be closed or opened
2. The push back should never work
3. The seat should have "bug"
4. And the famous "thada thada" sound in the windows when bus is idle at signal or stops.

Then they can save money and know how well people have service.

Leo_r

September 16th, 2009, 08:01 PM

all this tamil promotion is a gimmick that has outlived its reason (DMK needing to come to power) by 4 decades.

Getting classical language status was another fraud. what was gained out of it?

Statement on the Status of Tamil as a Classical Language..

Professor Maraimalai has asked me to write regarding the position of Tamil as a classical language, and I am delighted to respond to his request. I have been a Professor of Tamil at the University of California, Berkeley, since 1975 and am currently* holder of the Tamil Chair at that institution.* My degree, which I received in 1970, is in Sanskrit, from Harvard, and my first employment was as a Sanskrit professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, in 1969.* Besides Tamil and Sanskrit, I know the classical languages of Latin and Greek and have read extensively in their literatures in the original.* I am also well-acquainted with comparative linguistics and the literatures of modern Europe (I know Russian, German, and French and have read extensively in those languages) as well as the literatures of modern India, which, with the exception of Tamil and some Malayalam, I have read in translation.* I have spent much time discussing Telugu literature and its tradition with V. Narayanarao, one of the greatest living Telugu scholars, and so I know that tradition especially well.* As a long-standing member of a South Asian Studies department, I have also been exposed to the richness of both Hindi literature, and I have read in detail about Mahadevi Varma, Tulsi, and Kabir.

I have spent many years -- most of my life (since 1963) -- studying Sanskrit.* I have read in the original all of Kalidasa, Magha, and parts of Bharavi and Sri Harsa.* I have also read in the original the fifth book of the Rig Veda as well as many other sections, many of the Upanisads, most of the Mahabharata, the Kathasaritsagara, Adi Sankara’s works, and many other works in Sanskrit.

I say this not because I wish to show my erudition, but rather to establish my fitness for judging whether a literature is classical.* Let me state unequivocally that, by any criteria one may choose, Tamil is one of the great classical literatures and traditions of the world.

The reasons for this are many; let me consider them one by one.

First, Tamil is of considerable antiquity. It predates the literatures of other modern Indian languages by more than a thousand years. Its oldest work, the Tolkappiyam,, contains parts that, judging from the earliest Tamil inscriptions, date back to about 200 BCE.* The greatest works of ancient Tamil, the Sangam anthologies and the Pattuppattu, date to the first two centuries of the current era.* They are the first great secular body of poetry written in India, predating Kalidasa's works by two hundred years.

Second, Tamil constitutes the only literary tradition indigenous to India that is not derived from Sanskrit.* Indeed, its literature arose before the influence of Sanskrit in the South became strong and so is qualitatively different from anything we have in Sanskrit or other Indian languages. It has its own poetic theory, its own grammatical tradition, its own esthetics, and, above all, a large body of literature that is quite unique.* It shows a sort of Indian sensibility that is quite different from anything in Sanskrit or other Indian languages, and it contains its own extremely rich and vast intellectual tradition.

Third, the quality of classical Tamil literature is such that it is fit to stand beside the great literatures of Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Chinese, Persian and Arabic.* The subtlety and profundity of its works, their varied scope (Tamil is the only premodern Indian literature to treat the subaltern extensively), and their universality qualify Tamil to stand as one of the great classical traditions and literatures of the world.* Everyone knows the Tirukkural, one of the world's greatest works on ethics; but this is merely one of a myriad of major and extremely varied works that comprise the Tamil classical tradition. There is not a facet of human existence that is not explored and illuminated by this great literature.

Finally, Tamil is one of the primary independent sources of modern Indian culture and tradition.* I have written extensively on the influence of a Southern tradition on the Sanskrit poetic tradition.* But equally important, the great sacred works of Tamil Hinduism, beginning with the Sangam Anthologies, have undergirded the development of modern Hinduism.* Their ideas were taken into the Bhagavata Purana and other texts (in Telugu and Kannada as well as Sanskrit), whence they spread all over India. Tamil has its own works that are considered to be as sacred as the Vedas and that are recited alongside Vedic mantras in the great Vaisnava temples of South India (such as Tirupati).* And just as Sanskrit is the source of the modern Indo-Aryan languages, classical Tamil is the source language of modern Tamil and Malayalam.* As Sanskrit is the most conservative and least changed of the Indo-Aryan languages, Tamil is the most conservative of the Dravidian languages, the touchstone that linguists must consult to understand the nature and development of Dravidian.

In trying to discern why Tamil has not been recognized as a classical language, I can see only a political reason: there is a fear that if Tamil is selected as a classical language, other Indian languages may claim similar status.* This is an unnecessary worry.** I am well aware of the richness of the modern Indian languages -- I know that they are among the most fecund and productive languages on earth, each having begotten a modern (and often medieval) literature that can stand with any of the major literatures of the world.* Yet none of them is a classical language.* Like English and the other modern languages of Europe (with the exception of Greek), they rose on preexisting traditions rather late and developed in the second millennium.* The fact that Greek is universally recognized as a classical language in Europe does not lead the French or the English to claim classical status for their languages.

To qualify as a classical tradition, a language must fit several criteria: it should be ancient, it should be an independent tradition that arose mostly on its own not as an offshoot of another tradition, and it must have a large and extremely rich body of ancient literature.* Unlike the other modern languages of India, Tamil meets each of these requirements.* It is extremely old (as old as Latin and older than Arabic); it arose as an entirely independent tradition, with almost no influence from Sanskrit or other languages; and its ancient literature is indescribably vast and rich.

It seems strange to me that I should have to write an essay such as this claiming that Tamil is a classical literature -- it is akin to claiming that India is a great country or Hinduism is one of the world's great religions.* The status of Tamil as one of the great classical languages of the world is something that is patently obvious to anyone who knows the subject.* To deny that Tamil is a classical language is to deny a vital and central part of the greatness and richness of Indian culture.
*
(Signed:)
George L. Hart
Professor of Tamil

venkatm

September 16th, 2009, 08:19 PM

gvijayan

September 17th, 2009, 12:12 AM

Arul Murugan

September 17th, 2009, 03:33 AM

It’s austerity at Centre, business as usual in TN
Ajitha Karthikeyan TNN

Chennai: When their north Indian colleagues fly economy class and grab headlines, will Union ministers from Tamil Nadu lag behind? In keeping with the UPA government’s latest drive for costcutting on travel expenses, five ministers from the state, including chemicals and fertilizers minister and chief minister M Karunanidhi’s son MK Alagiri who has been used to the luxury of executive class, flew economy on their flight to Delhi on Wednesday.

The Union ministers were here to attend Tuesday’s valedictory of DMK founder CN Annadurai’s birth centenary celebrations in which Union finance minister Pranab Mukherjee was the chief guest.

Setting an example, Mukherjee flew down to the city by economy class and returned to the national Capital in the same class.

Apart from Alagiri, communication and information technology minister A Raja, textiles minister Dayanidhi Maran and ministers of state D Napolean and S Gandhiselvan also switched over to economy class on their journey back to Delhi.
“When our colleagues are travelling by the economy class, we also have to follow suit,” Napolean told The Times of India.

However, sources said
though the
ministers had paid up the economy fare, some of them shifted to the executive class, seeking “more leg space”, but without having to pay the additional cost. :lol::lol:

“The ministers booked only economy class but once getting on board, some of them moved to the business class as they found the economy class too crammed. As it is a threehour travel, ministers with large body frame find it difficult to travel by economy class,” the sources added.:lol::lol:

While austerity is the buzz word at the Centre and Union ministers are tightening their belts, ministers in the state have now taken a fancy to flying, departing from the practice of travelling by train.
Whether it’s a week-end trip to their hometowns or a cadre’s family function to attend in their constituency, the ministers choose to fly rather than chug by train. Thanks to the increase in air connectivity to Madurai and Coimbatore in recent times, ministers from southern and western
belts are taking to the air route, while those from delta districts and the northern belt travel either by train or road. Barring a few, state ministers fly to their hometowns only by business class, sources said. “We are entitled to travel by business class and there is no ceiling on the number of trips we make. However, on an average we undertake only ten trips a month,” claimed a state minister.

TOI

Bless

September 17th, 2009, 12:36 PM

Thenkachi Ko. Swaminathan dead
http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/17/stories/2009091758630200.htm

ramcbe

September 17th, 2009, 03:18 PM

I am not disputing that Tamil is a great language but pressurizing the Central Govt and getting it done was the issue. Now Kannada and Telugu also have it. For everyone, their mother tongue is great. Tamilians should not overdo it. Then, there is no difference between us and Hindi chauvinists.

Its true that everyone love their language.. but that doesn't make a language to become classical. Globally, a classical language is defined based on the below criteria

1. Antiquity leadership
2. Special features or Characteristics tradition
3. Universality of intrinsic quality
4. Impartiality
5. Quality as a mother to other languages
6. Exhibit qualities of culture, art and knowledge through experience
7. Readiness to dispense with influence of foreign languages
8. Rich literature
9. High thinking
10. Remarkable quality in expressing and participating in the arts and literature
11. A language theory.

Classical language for Tamil has been raised for decades post independence. Why do we need an expert who is not an Indian but with enough experience/research in Sanskrit,Tamil and other Indian languages to explain about the uniqueness of each language to prove wheather the language deserves to be classical or not?

There is nothing wrong if any other indian language other than Tamil and Sanskrit have all these qualities to claim classical status.

But its very SAD to say, In India, to realize/accept an Indian language to be classical took more than 50 years post independence. Now you decide who is overdoing???

pdykid

September 17th, 2009, 04:06 PM

^^^^

"But its very SAD to say, In India, to realize/accept an Indian language to be classical took more than 50 years post independence. Now you decide who is overdoing???"

Well said...

jaish

September 17th, 2009, 05:37 PM

But its very SAD to say, In India, to realize/accept an Indian language to be classical took more than 50 years post independence. Now you decide who is overdoing???[/QUOTE]

Well Said.

Let any body who is ignorant about what we say, It makes me very much sad our own people do not realise the value of what we inherited, what we possess.

More than any thing else i am really worried how are we going to pass it on to our next generation.

jaish

September 17th, 2009, 05:38 PM

Thenkachi Ko. Swaminathan dead
http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/17/stories/2009091758630200.htm

yes.Very sad news

venkatm

September 17th, 2009, 08:18 PM

Arul Murugan

September 18th, 2009, 04:20 AM

உலகளவு உவகை-ஒன்பதாவது உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு!

இதனினும் இனியதொரு செய்தி இருக்க முடியாது. 14 ஆண்டுகள் கடந்துவிட்ட நிலையில் ஒன்பதாவது உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு கோவையில் நடைபெறும் என்கிற அறிவிப்பு உண்மையிலேயே தேன்வந்து காதில் பாய்ந்த உணர்வை ஏற்படுத்துகிறது.

இப்போது பாரதி இருந்திருந்தால் துள்ளிக் குதித்திருப்பார். பாரதிதாசன் வாழ்ந்திருந்தால் வாழ்த்தி மகிழ்ந்திருப்பார். தவத்திரு தனிநாயகம் அடிகள் கேட்டிருந்தால் பேருவகை அடைந்திருப்பார். இந்த ஒரு செய்தியைக் கேட்கத்தானே தமிழ் நெஞ்சங்கள் ஒரு மாமாங்கமாகத் துடித்தன.

உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு என்பது தவத்திரு தனிநாயகம் அடிகளின் எண்ணத்தில் மலர்ந்த அற்புதமான விஷயம். 1964-ம் ஆண்டு தில்லியில் அகில உலகக் கீழ்த்திசை ஆய்வு மாநாடு ஒன்று நடந்தது. அதற்கு உலகின் பல பகுதிகளிலிருந்தும் இரண்டாயிரத்துக்கும் அதிகமான மொழி வல்லுநர்கள் வந்திருந்தனர். அந்த அறிஞர் கூட்டத்தில் தமிழ் மொழியின் சார்பில் கலந்து கொள்ள பிரான்ஸ் நாட்டிலிருந்து ஜுன்பிலயோசா, இங்கிலாந்திலிருந்து டி. பர்ரோ, நெதர்லாந்திலிருந்து எல்.பி.ஜே. கைப்பர், ஜெர்மனியிலிருந்து ஹெர்மன் பெர்கர் போன்றோருடன் தெ.பொ. மீனாட்சிசுந்தரனார், மு. வரதராசனார், வ.அய். சுப்பிரமணியம் மற்றும் தனிநாயகம் அடிகளார் போன்றோரும் இருந்தனர்.

அப்போது, தமிழுக்கென்று உலக மாநாடு ஒன்று நடத்த வேண்டும் என்கிற தனது எண்ணத்தைத் தவத்திரு தனிநாயகம் அடிகளார் வெளிப்படுத்தியது மட்டுமன்றி செயல்படுத்தவும் செய்தார். உலகத் தமிழ் ஆராய்ச்சி மன்றம் தொடங்கப்பட்டதன் பின்னணி அதுதான். தனிநாயகம் அடிகளாரின் முயற்சியால்தான் முதல் தமிழ் மாநாடு 1966-ம் ஆண்டு ஏப்ரல் 17-ம் நாள் கோலாலம்பூரில் கோலாகலமாகத் தொடங்கியது.

அந்த முதலாம் உலகத் தமிழர் மாநாட்டுக்கு முதல்வர் பக்தவத்சலம் மட்டும் செல்லவில்லை. எதிர்க்கட்சித் தலைவராக இருந்த இரா. நெடுஞ்செழியனும், தமிழரசுக் கட்சித் தலைவரான ம.பொ. சிவஞான கிராமணியாரும் ஏனைய தமிழறிஞர்களுடன் கலந்துகொண்டனர். இரண்டாண்டுக்கு ஒருமுறை இதேபோல உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு தொடர்ந்து நடத்துவது என்று முடிவெடுக்கப்பட்டபோது 1968-ம் ஆண்டு நடைபெற வேண்டிய இரண்டாவது உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாட்டை சென்னையில் நடத்த அன்றைய முதல்வர் பக்தவத்சலம் ஏற்றுக்கொண்டு உறுதி அளித்தார்.

1968-ல் காங்கிரஸ் ஆட்சியை இழந்தபோதும், பக்தவத்சலத்தின் உறுதிமொழியை அரசியல் பாராட்டி உதாசீனப்படுத்தாமல் சி.என். அண்ணாதுரை தலைமையில் அமைந்த திமுக ஆட்சி நிறைவேற்ற முன்வந்தது. அதுமட்டுமல்ல, அன்றைய எதிர்க்கட்சித் தலைவர் கருத்திருமனின் முழு ஒத்துழைப்பும் இரண்டாவது உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாட்டுக்கு இருந்தது. அவரே ஒரு கருத்தரங்கத்துக்குத் தலைமை தாங்கினார். முன்னாள் முதல்வர்கள் கு. காமராஜும், பக்தவத்சலமும் முதல் வரிசையில் அமர்ந்திருந்தனர். கட்சி மனமாச்சரியங்களை மறந்து "தமிழ்' என்கிற பெயரில் அனைவரும் அண்ணாவுடன் கைகோர்த்து நின்று அந்த இரண்டாவது உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாட்டை வெற்றியடையச் செய்தது தமிழர்தம் சரித்திரத்தில் அழியா நினைவு!

கடந்த உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு தஞ்சையில் நடந்து முடிந்து 14 ஆண்டுகள் கடந்துவிட்டன. இந்த இடைப்பட்ட காலத்தில் பல்வேறு ஆராய்ச்சிகள், ஆய்வேடுகள், அடுத்த தலைமுறை தமிழறிஞர்களின் பங்களிப்புகள் என்று மொழி வளம் பெற்றிருக்கிறது. இரண்டாண்டுகளுக்கு ஒருமுறை இதுபோல உலகளாவிய தமிழ் ஆராய்ச்சிக்கு ஒரு பொதுமேடை கிடைத்தால் மட்டுமே, ஆரோக்கியமான தமிழ் வளர்ச்சிக்கு உறுதுணையாக இருக்கும்.

தவத்திரு தனிநாயகம் அடிகளை இந்தவேளையில் நினைவுகூராமல் இருக்க முடியவில்லை. முதல் நான்கு மாநாடுகளைச் சிறப்பாக நடத்திய பெருமைக்குரியவர் அவர். சிங்கள ஆதிக்கம் அதிகரிப்பதையும், அதனால் இலங்கையில் தமிழர்கள் இன்னலுறுவதையும் பொறுக்காத தனிநாயகம் அடிகள், இலங்கை அரசுக்கு எதிராகக் கருத்துகளை வெளியிட்டார். அதனால் அரசு அவரை காவல், கண்காணிப்பு என்று பயமுறுத்த எத்தனித்தது. உடனே, கொழும்புப் பல்கலைக் கழகத்தில் தான் தங்கியிருந்த அறையைக் காலி செய்துவிட்டுத் தமிழகம் வந்துவிட்டார் தனிநாயகம் அடிகள். அதன் பிறகு அவரது வாழ்க்கை தமிழ், தமிழ் மொழி என்பதாகவே கழிந்தது.

ஒரு மொழிக்காக உலகளாவிய மாநாடு நடத்தும் முதல் முயற்சிக்குச் சொந்தக்காரர் தவத்திரு தனிநாயகம் அடிகள்தான். உலகிலேயே தமிழ் மொழிக்கு உலகளாவிய மாநாடு நடத்தப்பட்டதற்குப் பிறகுதான் சம்ஸ்கிருதம், இந்தி, தெலுங்கு, கன்னடம் போன்ற மொழிகளுக்கு மாநாடுகள் நடந்தன.

ஒன்பதாம் உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு நடக்கும்போது, அந்தத் திடல் தவத்திரு தனிநாயகம் அடிகளின் பெயரால் வழங்கப்பட வேண்டும். அங்கே ஆய்வரங்கம் சமீபத்தில் இறைவனடி சேர்ந்த வ.அய். சுப்பிரமணியம் பெயரால் அமைய வேண்டும். மாநாட்டுப் பந்தல், நூற்றாண்டு விழா கண்ட அறிஞர் அண்ணாவின் பெயர் தாங்கி இருத்தல் வேண்டும். இவையெல்லாம் "தினமணி' சார்பில் முதல்வருக்கு வைக்கும் கோரிக்கைகள்.
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தமிழுக்கும், தமிழனுக்கும் பெருமை சேர்க்கும் ஒரு சரித்திர நிகழ்வு நடைபெற இருக்கிறது. உலகம் முழுவதும் பரந்து விரிந்து கிடக்கும் தமிழ்ச் சமுதாயத்தின் ஒட்டுமொத்தப் பார்வையும் தங்களது தாயகமான தமிழகத்தின்மீது குவிய இருக்கிறது. இந்த நேரத்தில் அரசியல் மனமாச்சரியங்களை விடுத்து 1966-லும், 1968-லும் இருந்த தமிழ் உணர்வுடன் கட்சி வேறுபாடுகளை மறந்து அனைவரும் கைகோர்க்க வேண்டும் என்பது எதிர்க்கட்சியினருக்கு "தினமணி' விடுக்கும் வேண்டுகோள்.
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14 ஆண்டுகளுக்குப் பிறகு, சோர்ந்து போயிருக்கும் தமிழனுக்கும், துவண்டு கிடக்கும் தமிழுணர்வுக்கும் புத்துயிர் ஊட்டும் விதமாக ஒன்பதாவது உலகத் தமிழ் மாநாடு நடத்த முன்வந்திருக்கும் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியை எவ்வளவு பாராட்டினாலும் தகும். தமிழ்கூறு நல்லுலகின் சார்பாக முதல்வருக்கு நன்றி... நன்றி... நன்றி!

Dinamani-Editorial

natarajan1986

September 18th, 2009, 05:15 AM

Beach Road turned into a battlefield in the early hours of Thursday as two groups clashed, injuring at least three persons and damaging several vehicles. Police rushed to the spot to defuse the situation which threatened to deteriorate into full-fledged violence.
Seven two-wheelers were burnt and at least 50 vehicles, including cars and autos, were damaged as a group of youngsters on bikes and residents of Ayodhyakuppam clashed. Three persons, including two youths, were injured. Two separate cases were registered, but no arrests have been made.
According to the police, trouble began after midnight on Thursday. A group of youngsters marking the 27th day of Ramzan, were denied permission to race their bikes on the beach. They turned towards the service lanes and the Ayodhyakuppam area. The noise created by the bikes woke up residents of the area. Soon, several came out of their houses and objected to the youths racing along the streets where several people, mostly elderly persons and children, were sleeping.
A Jayapaul of the Ayodhyanagar fisherfolk association was walking towards the beach when he saw three young men on a bike coming towards him at high speed. When they came close, the bike skidded and they fell. “I approached them and asked them why they were driving so fast. Some of their friends, who were following them, informed several others on the beach that their friends were assaulted by Ayodhyanagar residents for rash riding. Then they came towards us with stones, bricks and pieces of marble dumped along Kamarajar Salai for renovation of the pavement,” Jayapaul said. The two groups then went on the rampage and damaged vehicles parked on the roadside.
Commissioner Rajendran told TOI: “We averted a major clash. Thanks to all my subordinate officers who arrived at the place and cordoned it off. We received at least 40 vehicle missing complaints after the incident. We recovered 34 vehicles and handed them over to the owners.”
On Wednesday, the youngsters gathered to conduct bike races from Pulianthope, Washermanpet and Royapuram. Prize money varied from Rs 500 to Rs 5,000. Police said about 500 youths were at the beach. On learning that some of their friends were attacked, they gathered to retaliate. Two youths and Jayapaul were injured and were admitted to the Government General Hospital.
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DETERRENT: Armed policemen near Kamarajar Salai after the mob violence during the early hours of Thursday; (below) A bike that was set on fire
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racing in public road itself illegal and i wonder why police is mute on such issue,this kind of breaking rules in masses on rise shows people misuse of democracy and secularism:ohno:

Cosmicbliss

September 18th, 2009, 07:43 AM

if you walk around in public places in chennai or in public transport, every tenth word will be a "othaa", "mama", "machaan". You decide what is important - getting classical language OR making people realize the value of language and use decent tamil...

If it were not for this so-called anti-Hindi agitation/attitude etc the situtation would be as follows in TN:

1. Hindi songs ruling the airwaves.
2. Hindi movies ruling the multiplexes (i.e. 9 movies in Hindi vs one in Tamil)
3. RJs talking in Hindi.
4. Non-Tamils living in TN for 30-40 years and still unable to speak in Tamil.

And much more...

Please see what has happened to state languages in many states. I am not a Tamil and my mother tongue is far from Tamil but but when you see the condition of so many other regional languages than I wish Tamils would become even more strident/loyal to their language.

What's the big deal I mean? 80-90 % of Tamils remain in TN. The 10-20 % who leave the state will always learn it. The ones who stay should learn Hindi for what reason? To make Tamil irrelevant a la Marathi in Mumbai?

Arasu

September 18th, 2009, 05:48 PM

^^

Atlast, one sane voice!

Even colonialists didn't expect the subjects to take up their (colonialists')speech and give up their mother tongue the way the democratic India expects its citizens to all start speaking, studying in, watching tv programs in the so called national language.

It is horrifying to note that it is not just the political masters of the country who have such a notion but even ordinary citizens in different states of the country are ready to flog you for not knowing the 'rashtra basha'.

I cannot imagine how ridiculous it is to expect some one to speak in a particular language and if one is not able to do so ridicule that person publicly.

I hope more such sane voices spread through the country and help protect the fast dying languages. These languages are not even small ones spoken by a few thousand people. They are major languages spoken by millions. They need to be protected not only by the states but also by the union government. The union government supported by the taxes of all these people cannot engage in activities that lead to the gradual dying of these important languages as well as lead to the situation where the people speaking in these languages cannot fully participate in the democratic process of this country as equal citizens.

The recent expample of a minister from TN not being able to speak in Parliament because of lack of knowledge of Hindi or English is an example of the height of discrimination that goes on in this country. What is left unsaid and unwritten in the constitution is that a major block against these people becoming the prime minister of this country for the same reason.

This situation compares very poorly say with that of USA where some one whose father belonged and lived in another country becomes the President of the country. In India, millions of people who had not known any other country for thousands of years are being discriminated against for lack of a single language. Shows democracy in India in a poor light.

Marathaman

September 18th, 2009, 06:14 PM

I think more than anything else, Tamil is the only language in India whose entire development has happened within India.

Even Sanskrit evolved from a proto-Indo-European tongue that originated somewhere in Central Aisa.

The recent expample of a minister from TN not being able to speak in Parliament because of lack of knowledge of Hindi or English is an example of the height of discrimination that goes on in this country. What is left unsaid and unwritten in the constitution is that a major block against these people becoming the prime minister of this country for the same reason.

Why couldn't they use a translator to translate into Hindi and English?

Marathaman

September 18th, 2009, 06:59 PM

What's the big deal I mean? 80-90 % of Tamils remain in TN. The 10-20 % who leave the state will always learn it. The ones who stay should learn Hindi for what reason? To make Tamil irrelevant a la Marathi in Mumbai?

If you want Chennai to become a global city, one has to make certain sacrifices including language. If not Hindi, then English would have to become a primary language in that city.

Arasu

September 18th, 2009, 10:56 PM

Why couldn't they use a translator to translate into Hindi and English?

According to the parliament rules only members are allowed the privilege of having their speech translated! The provision,allegedly, is not applicable to Ministers.

If you want Chennai to become a global city, one has to make certain sacrifices including language. If not Hindi, then English would have to become a primary language in that city.

English is understood by a large percentage of the population and they can converse as well. I don't think we have to convert to other languages - domestic or foreign - lock, stock and barrel to the extent these languages become the primary languages.

venkatm

September 19th, 2009, 08:18 AM

ramcbe

September 19th, 2009, 12:04 PM

if you walk around in public places in chennai or in public transport, every tenth word will be a "othaa", "mama", "machaan". You decide what is important - getting classical language OR making people realize the value of language and use decent tamil.

In the not too far off future, you will hava a classical language called Tamil that will be like Sanskrit - only in books and not used!

So what do you say?? every one to speak in "Senthamiz"?? Don't you know every language has its own good and bad speeches?

Tirukkural,Tholkappiam and other tamil ethics cannot be understood by a common tamil man without having an indepth knowledge.. it needs its own translation for proper meaning and that is the richness of this language..Do you mean to say they are dead now???

Do you know the history of tamil and its scripts?? They have transformed many changes in thousands of years.. Even 50 years back, the script of tamil used for certain tamil letters are now used in different way...That doesn't mean a language is dead and its only available in books.

Come to bangalore, I'll show you good and bad kannada speaking people.. and that doesn't mean the language is bad and it will lose its richness..

If you have facts to say, tamil doesn't deserve to be classical, pls bring it up..else if you have minimal/no knowledge about a language, just keep off and don't insult language or the people saying they are overdoing or indecent.

jaish

September 20th, 2009, 09:30 AM

jaish

September 20th, 2009, 09:43 AM

The so-called minister quoted by Arasu could have spent some of his time learning English instead of devoting it fully to plundering, family quarrels and murder.

face it, most mp's and mla's from TN are terrible in whatever they do. Tamil is just an fig leaf for them to dupe common folks. You seem to have fallen into the same trap

Do you mean to say that to be minister in india representing a Indian state one should be educated in English.

Please understand In none of the place in the whole world, son of soil is being considered as second hand citizen for not knowing a foreign language.

Anniyan

September 20th, 2009, 04:07 PM

Tamil Text Speech Engine developed by IISc Medical Intelligence and Language Engineering Lab

http://mile.ee.iisc.ernet.in:8080/tts_demo/

try these texts:

- நான் ஒரு தடவை சொன்னால் நூறு தடவை சொன்ன மாதிரி

- நெஞ்சு பொறுக்குதில்லையே இந்த
நிலைகெட்ட மனிதரை நினைந்துவிட்டால்

- மனிதர்கள் சில நேரம் தடம் மாறலாம்
மனங்களும் அவர் குணங்களும் நிறம் மாறலாம்
இலக்கணம் சில நேரம் தவறாகலாம்
எழுதிய அன்பு இலக்கணம் பிழை ஆகலாம்
நிலவினை நம்பி இரவுகள் இல்லை
விளக்குகள் காட்டும் வெளிச்சத்தின் எல்லை
ஒரு வாசல் மூடி மறு வாசல் வைப்பான் இறைவன்

chennaidesi

September 20th, 2009, 05:35 PM

Other than Chennai. I met couple of Cognizant people in US and the talk ended in how TN girls changed and today many do social drinking so I am curious how is the culture in Tier 2 cities.

Cosmicbliss

September 21st, 2009, 10:02 AM

natarajan1986

September 21st, 2009, 10:19 AM

^^
:lol:

Anniyan

September 21st, 2009, 10:36 AM

I met couple of Cognizant people in US and the talk ended in how TN girls changed and today many do social drinking

Nothing new to our culture. Even my grandmother used to drink socially in her village.

jaish

September 21st, 2009, 11:37 AM

natarajan1986

September 21st, 2009, 01:13 PM

In capital you can find hindi,urdu and english so do u want all of us to learn urdu also? there is no universal language for us so we can use english to break the communication barrier

kovaidreamz

September 21st, 2009, 03:18 PM

Whenever I tell people this issue or discuss with them, they always say that "You can't put state ahead of nation" or "Tamils are Indians first and then Tamils". Indians are Indians first and must put the nation first. But putting the nation first and preferring Hindi to our own mother tongue is not one and the same thing. Many people keep telling me that its good to be proud of your mother tongue but you're Indian first and if you're Indian first then you must give importance to Hindi, must speak Hindi and must not ever implement your language in your state. Basically its fine to be proud of your language but not at the cost of Hindi and you should never give more importance to Hindi than your mother tongue blah blah otherwise you're not being an Indian first. It's frustrating dealing with such people and unfortunately I have no response to this. Till today I can't think of anything clear-cut to say to such people. No resonding response.

Do u mean, we should learn hindi becoz we r INDIAN's... it's applicable to a country which has only language spoken throughout the country, not for diverse country like ours .... first understand the fact y they made hindi as national language-its becoz of the geographical location of the Nation's capital New delhi ,and hindi is somewhat similar to the languages of states in northern India,since those r the ppl who rule, they want every INDIAN to speak in hindi,jus for their convinience, but languages of south are contrary to hindi and they themselves resemble each other.
i wud like to ask one thing, would you allow ENGLISH to be national language and Rule the country, u say its foreign and oppose it.... only way of solving it is by making English as the national language, which many of the ppl know all over the country and it remains as a must learn language to survive in this competitive world.... let the people speak their own languages within their state but when it comes to nation they should speak only English....

Making Universal Language a National language is better than managing the people who always fight for syllable....

jaish

September 21st, 2009, 05:18 PM

Do u mean, we should learn hindi becoz we r INDIAN's... it's applicable to a country which has only language spoken throughout the country, not for diverse country like ours .... first understand the fact y they made hindi as national language-its becoz of the geographical location of the Nation's capital New delhi ,and hindi is somewhat similar to the languages of states in northern India,since those r the ppl who rule, they want every INDIAN to speak in hindi,jus for their convinience, but languages of south are contrary to hindi and they themselves resemble each other.
i wud like to ask one thing, would you allow ENGLISH to be national language and Rule the country, u say its foreign and oppose it.... only way of solving it is by making English as the national language, which many of the ppl know all over the country and it remains as a must learn language to survive in this competitive world.... let the people speak their own languages within their state but when it comes to nation they should speak only English....

Making Universal Language a National language is better than managing the people who always fight for syllable....

Hindi is not a only exculsive national language. It is one among other 14 national language.

guyfromcbe

September 21st, 2009, 05:48 PM

Hindi is not a only exculsive national language. It is one among other 14 national language.

Hindi is not considered as National Language, only it is the official language for central government of india. Please correct me if iam wrong

kovaidreamz

September 21st, 2009, 05:54 PM

Hindi is not considered as National Language, only it is the official language for central government of india. Please correct me if iam wrong
ok whatever ynot make English as official language, conflicts arise becoz of indian languages on the list of 14..... people should atleast get satisfied with this:nuts:

dis.agree

September 21st, 2009, 07:27 PM

^^
??
english is an official language and by far the most important one in india.

stalward

September 21st, 2009, 07:29 PM

Leo_r

September 21st, 2009, 08:07 PM

Marathaman

September 21st, 2009, 08:14 PM

learn Tamil literature, discuss and that will be invigorating.

:) I agree. Its such a beautiful literature.

natarajan1986

September 21st, 2009, 08:55 PM

I am introducing this topic this is going to change very dynamics of the Politics played in the Society..i have lot of examples tell the forceful convresions happen in the Sensitive areas like hospitals etc..i have real one example to say,,
in royapettah ..govt hospital patient gets admitted for injury..he screams in yelling hindu god name..the nurse shouts at him to stop yelling ..but at the time about he was to go home ..the guuy is converted to christanity..Courtesy the same nures..this time teh yelling happens ..as u expected jesus..
i dont what is motivation behind all this..:ohno:

God alone can save...

yes this issue is growing exponentialy and it has to be addressed even my watch man wife converted because some missionary gave treatment so they are on spree in conversion and i think whats wrong in putting in tn arattai arangam as many fellows pinpoint corrupt netas then why not these issue??

stalward

September 22nd, 2009, 03:48 AM

yes this issue is growing exponentialy and it has to be addressed even my watch man wife converted because some missionary gave treatment so they are on spree in conversion and i think whats wrong in putting in tn arattai arangam as many fellows pinpoint corrupt netas then why not these issue??

Now Dravidian parites might en up support them ..i dont for what ever reason ?

But they will in future dictate the politics..it happening at mizoram..see during election..preachers instead of doing sermon..doing electioneering..is it approved by the so called system..that is in place.

pdykid

September 22nd, 2009, 11:01 AM

The glorious history of the reigning deity of Tirumala, Lord Venkateswara, and of the richest shrine, is known to the world, thanks to

hundreds of inscriptions engraved on the walls of Tirumala as well as in other TTD-run temples here. But blame it on TTD's mega Ananda Nilayam Anantha Swarnamayam (gold coating) project of the temple, about 80 inscriptions are going to disappear permanently from the public view.

A majority of these inscriptions are in Tamil, followed by Kannada and a few in Telugu. The inscription belonging to 830 AD during the time of Pallava king Vijayadanti Verman is considered the oldest one. With the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) launching the gold coating work last year, doubts cropped up over the safety of the inscriptions. However, TTD took care to digitise all the inscriptions present inside the walls of sanctum of first `prakaram' and handed over the estampage works to ASI, Mysore.

"We have done the process on 80 inscriptions. Of which, 43 measured over 16 ft in length so that the letters engraved on them would not be destroyed. Of the 80 inscriptions, 55 are in Tamil, 15 in Kannada and 10 in Telugu, which include the enumerable and precious donations by Pallava Samavai (9 AD), Pridhivi Mahendra Verman, Cholas of Tamil Nadu, Vijayanagara rulers of Andhra and Karnataka,'' Muniratnam said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Gold-coat-to-hide-Tirumala-carvings/articleshow/5039959.cms

Anniyan

September 22nd, 2009, 01:21 PM

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=957896

Arul Murugan

September 22nd, 2009, 04:06 PM

jaish

September 22nd, 2009, 04:32 PM

Last week two debates on Languages in mass media.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/new/Ndtv-Show-Special.aspx?page=8&ID=344&#surfer

Happy to see that DMK Kanimozhi was very clear about two language policy for TN. :)

Vijay TV Neeyanaana

debate on English speakers Vs Non-english speakers in TN

http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/neeya-naana-52/

I have seen NDTV programme. Surprised /happy to see Kanimozhi was clear in her statement. But Kushbu as usual gave senseless statements in that programme. I wonder why these English channel dont get any who truly represents Tamilnadu in this kind of this kind of discussion forums.

They only get dump squips like cho, Subramaniam swami

Marathaman

September 22nd, 2009, 08:30 PM

I have seen NDTV programme. Surprised /happy to see Kanimozhi was clear in her statement. But Kushbu as usual gave senseless statements in that programme. I wonder why these English channel dont get any who truly represents Tamilnadu in this kind of this kind of discussion forums.

They only get dump squips like cho, Subramaniam swami

Better than what the other states got. I didn't see representation from Orissa or Gujarat, for example.

Arul Murugan

September 23rd, 2009, 02:36 AM

IFMR-CDF releases EEI index for TN districts

CHENNAI: Nilgiris and Namakkal districts in Tamil Nadu have topped the over all ranking in the district level economic environment index (EEI)
study released in Chennai on Tuesday. They are followed by Kanniyakumari, Erode, Tiruvarur and Coimbatore.

Kanchipuram district, which tops the investment chart in the State, is ranked 8th in EEI index after Thoothukkudi. Thiruvallur district near Chennai scored 27th rank and Dindigul last. The pilot EEI study for 28 districts ( other than Chennai and three new districts) was taken up by the Centre for Development finance, part of B school- IFMR.

The EEI score for each district was arrived at based on sub-indices like physical and social infrastructure, governance, law and order, business establishment cost, cost of doing business and environmental sustainability.

Funded by British high commission, the study was supported CII and Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy. Initially, an economic governance index was planned based on the sub-indices. It was changed into EEI after holding discussion with top Government officials and industry representatives.

Among the other major tier II centres, Tiruchi scored 16th in over all EEI ranking, Tirunelveli 17th while Madurai ranked further below at 23. The study noted the top ranked districts have done very well in terms of physical infrastructure and on cost of doing business .

Physical infrastructure with over all 20% weight in the composite index seems to be the dominating factor behind over all high or low rank of a district. Kanchi district is ranked 23 for social infrastructure. " This is a major area of concern as it might affect parameters of economic environment in the long term", the study cautioned.

Releasing the study, CDF director Dr Jessica Wallack said , " We wanted to make the governance perspective as inclusive as possible. Our stand is clear. It is neutral and academic. We have no political agenda. We want to highlight the importance of governance at the district level, create a debate and want the policy makers, industry, NGOs and all stake holders to identify the priorities and gaps".

L Somasundaram, Programme head, CDF said for the first time, response from a sample size of 3000 households across the 28 districts was included in the study as they are an important ingredient in economic activity. Plus, 1200 firms were interviewed. The main objective is to strengthen economic environment and promote entrepreneurship.

The focus of the study is not so much to attract FDI and large businesses to the districts but to sustain and promote small and medium enterprises. It has focused not only on the access to services but on the quality. It is also in tune with the Government efforts to develop tier II cities.

A website was launched on the occasion to create public opinion on the study. Later at a panel discussion, Dr Palani G Periasamy, NRI industrialist and Chairman, PGP group welcomed the initiative by CDF- IFMR stating the growth is not uniform in the State and many districts are neglected.

Such lopsided economic development is not for good for any State. It is necessary to identify the spirit of entrepreneurship and create necessary social infrastructure to support growth.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/indicators/IFMR-CDF-releases-EEI-index-for-TN-districts/articleshow/5043974.cms

Arul Murugan

September 23rd, 2009, 02:41 AM

^^

physical and social infrastructure, governance, law and order, business establishment cost, cost of doing business and environmental sustainability.

If the physical infrastructure is one of the main parameter for the ranking, how come Namakkal and Nilgiri's can top over other districts?

Ooty has ghat road connection and toy train.

Namakkal dt have a 3-4KM of railway tracks passing from Salem to Erode! And so far not even a single piece of tracks laid in Salem-Karur rail project.

There is only one bridge on cauvery river connecting Namakkal and Karur district and one to Erode district.

Both the districts lags in major infrastructure! It is surprising to see they have put Madurai, Trichy, Tirunelveli beyond 15 in ranking. Sample could be wrong?

Arul Murugan

September 23rd, 2009, 02:45 AM

Economic index report puts govt in denial mode

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Chennai: The TOI report on Economic Environment Index released by the Institute for Financial Management and Research, ranking Tamil Nadu districts with regard to standards of living and doing business on Tuesday, has triggered denials and clarifications.

Reacting to the report which said that the government has washed its hands off the report though the state planning commission had approved the concept and methodology, the planning commission on Tuesday said that “no consultation has been made with either the vicechairman or members of the state planning commission.”

IFMR programme head L Somasundaram told TOI that the state planning commission had “cleared the concept note and gave comments from the members. These comments were incorporated in the study.” Soon after the report was released on Tuesday, IFMR came out with a statement which said, “We have used official data published by the Government of Tamil Nadu, both at the state level and the district level in various reports. We have complemented this with survey data on firms’ and households’ experiences. The Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy has conducted the study in all the districts of Tamil Nadu.”

While the IFMR statement said there was “no pressure from the Government of Tamil Nadu to change the results in any way,” finance secretary K Gnanadesikan had told TOI on Monday, “I spoke at a panel discussion of the results for more than half-anhour suggesting changes.” He went on to ask: “How can anyone rate Ramanathapuram above Madurai?”

The IFMR statement on Tuesday added: “Some of the findings may not be acceptable to the government but we are open to have a healthy debate and clarify issues, if any. This is a scientific study aimed to facilitate the government in identifying areas of gaps so that effective measure can be taken.” The survey has ranked Nilgiris as number one and put Dindigul in the last place. Madurai, Tirunelveli and Tiruchi, which the government has projecting as investment destinations, have been ranked 23, 17 and 16. A few senior officials of the government who appreciated the “freshness” of the findings, however, were not willing to be named.

Meanwhile, CII state council president C K Ranganathan refused to comment on the report but said industry members were consulted by the government on the report. “It was felt by a section of the government that the report should reflect the right scenario. The government felt that some more parameters of the survey were required to get a fair report,” he said.

TOI

greatchennai

September 24th, 2009, 02:36 PM

Please stop all nonsense over Language ,State and Religion comparison. New comers, if you have something interesting, make a post and enjoy. learn Tamil literature, discuss and that will be invigorating. That fellow ,cosmic,never learns anything from arul.nair et all.

I would advise forum members to ignore his posts.

Who is cosmic ? Could be a Journalist from some Northi media , Can be a IT guy who contemplates to settle either in Chennai or Hyd....or could be from Jehad..to test the water in south Indian people.....Guys Look out his posts in Hyd forums also/ and others....Quite contradicting ...

Comeon guys...." That that man..that that wish"....so less compare and arguments across states would make the forums meaningful...

jaish

September 24th, 2009, 06:20 PM

Better than what the other states got. I didn't see representation from Orissa or Gujarat, for example.

For orissa jay panda does well and for Gujarat Vyas does well. But for tamil nadu the aforesaid people creates a total negative imapact. They are known for that

satishanu

September 24th, 2009, 07:39 PM

When it comes to rain water harvesting, Tamil Nadu leads by example.

In 2003, the state passed an ordinance to install rain water harvesting structures in all old and new buildings. Now people in the state are reaping rich benefits. The ground water table in the state has shown a phenomenal rise.

Forty percent of rainwater which would earlier flow into the sea is now being stored underground.

In Chennai alone, it's like a whopping 150 sq km underground reservoir. As a result of this, water scarcity is now a thing of the past.

"Even during the worst crisis period, I had four feet of water in my well," says Chennai resident Hariharan, whose house has turned a lot greener, thanks to rainwater harvesting. He has a simple system that collects rainwater from the rooftop and ground surface and lets it collect in a percolation pit.

"Now we are never without water. We don't have to run to the well to see if there's water. We have plentiful supply," said V Ramaswamy, also a resident of the city.

In the drought-prone Virudhunagar district also, residents have a network of pipelines connected their rooftops.

Rainwater harvesting has become a people's movement in the state. When Jayalalithaa made this compulsory, many were skeptical. Today even her critics call this a revolution in conservation of water, worth replicating across the country.

Source: http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/tamil_nadus_water_revolution.php

Arul Murugan

September 25th, 2009, 03:35 AM

Aryan-Dravidian divide is just a myth, says study

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Hyderabad: The great Indian divide along north-south lines now stands blurred with a pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on ancestral Indian populations stating that there is a genetic relationship between all Indians. More, this research — that reconstructs the Indian population history — turns the hitherto believed ‘fact’ that Aryans and Dravidians signified the ancestry of north and south Indians into a myth.

“This paper rewrites history... there is no north-south divide,” said Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a coauthor of the study, here on Thursday. Senior CCMB scientist Kumarasamy Thangarajan said there was no truth to the Aryan-Dravidian theory as they came hundreds or thousands of years after the ancestral north and south Indians settled in India.

The study analyzed 5,00,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six language families and traditionally “upper” and “lower” castes and tribal groups. “The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organisations during the formation of Indian society,” the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved that they were not systematically different.

The study was conducted by CCMB in collaboration with Harvard Medical School, Harvard School of Public Health and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT.

Genetically One
Around 65,000 years ago, initial settlements began in Andamans & ancient south India
Another 25,000 years later, the Ancient North Indians emerged

Eventually, north and south populations met, giving rise to a different set
Present-day Indians are a mix of north and south, with genomic strains from two distinct ancestors — the Ancestral North Indian & the Ancestral South Indian ‘There is a genetic link between all Indians’

TOI

robertashok

September 25th, 2009, 04:29 AM

two debates on Languages in mass media.

Vijay TV Neeyanaana

debate on English speakers Vs Non-english speakers in TN

http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/neeya-naana-52/

I saw this episode, there was one girl , in white-pink salwar, that she wants to be working in MNC , so she needs to use english always , it sounded the most stupid comment i have ever heard.

Guys i know many of us work abroad, and in well known top tier companies who speak in tamil always except in meetings and when required and made it to TOP.

gvijayan

September 25th, 2009, 05:09 AM

^^ Completely agree.

Off late, Neeya Naana started looking like a mocked up show. Discussions and expressions in the programme does not seem to be natural.

They are throwing lots of personal sentiments of individuals, which I don't know to believe or not. But they are definitely trying to discuss the topic to the core, but I would say that the program has lost its nature.

robertashok

September 25th, 2009, 05:53 AM

Why in this new era , people have allowed the MEDIA instead of our parents, grandparents to guide the way we live.

Bless

September 25th, 2009, 08:54 AM

Why in this new era , people have allowed the MEDIA instead of our parents, grandparents to guide the way we live.

^^
I thought You had a question and answer to it.
"Everybody thinks that they are rational in a irrational world"

jaish

September 25th, 2009, 09:26 AM

Why in this new era , people have allowed the MEDIA instead of our parents, grandparents to guide the way we live.

It is because the growing children spends much of the time with media.

jaish

September 25th, 2009, 09:37 AM

I saw this episode, there was one girl , in white-pink salwar, that she wants to be working in MNC , so she needs to use english always , it sounded the most stupid comment i have ever heard.

Guys i know many of us work abroad, and in well known top tier companies who speak in tamil always except in meetings and when required and made it to TOP.

Well said. people are having wrong perception because of their ignorance. It is really unfortuanate that We more number of them among us.

My strongest feeling is that One need not loose our own identity (language, culture etc...) to become top in any choosen field, place and company. But at the same we need to others identiy in the same.

In nutshell , Maintaing our own identity at the same time appericiating others is the key to success in life. Not following either one may affect the individual.

Bless

September 25th, 2009, 02:49 PM

natarajan1986

September 28th, 2009, 07:54 AM

Blindness first began creeping up on Barbara Campbell when she was a teenager, and by her late 30s, her eye disease had stolen what was left of her sight.
Reliant on a talking computer for reading and a cane for navigating New York, where she lives and works, Campbell, now 56, would have been thrilled to see something. Anything.
Now, as part of a striking experiment, she can. So far, she can detect burners on her stove when making a grilled cheese, her mirror frame, and whether her computer monitor is on.
She is beginning a three-year project involving electrodes surgically implanted in her eye, a camera on the bridge of her nose and a video processor strapped to her waist.
The project, involving patients in the US, Mexico and Europe, is part of a burst of recent research aimed at one of science’s most-sought-after holy grails:making the blind see.
Some of the 37 other participants further along in the project can differentiate plates from cups, tell grass from sidewalk, sort white socks from dark, distinguish doors and windows, identify large letters of the alphabet, and see where people are, albeit not details about them.
Scientists involved in the project, the artificial retina, say they have plans to develop the technology to allow people to read, write and recognize faces.
With the artificial retina, a sheet of electrodes is implanted in the eye. The person wears glasses with a tiny camera, which captures images that the belt-pack video processor translates into patterns of light and dark, like the “pixelized image we see on a stadium scoreboard,” said Jessy Dorn, a scientist at Second Sight Medical Products, which produces the device, collaborating with the US Department of Energy.
The video processor directs each electrode to transmit signals representing an object’s contours, brightness and contrast, which pulse along optic neurons into the brain. NYT NEWS SERVICE
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOIM/2009/09/28/17/Img/Pc0170800.jpg
source (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOIM&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI&Enter=true&Skin=TOINEW&GZ=T)

Arul Murugan

September 29th, 2009, 03:29 AM

Now, go on a virtual tour of Chola temples
B Aravind Kumar TNN

Chennai: Keen to visit Darasuram in Thanjavur district, but still waiting to plan that holiday? For all those busybees, the Tamil Nadu tourism department is offering a virtual tour of the temple using a link in its website.

When the Tamil Nadu tourism department launches virtual tourism on September 30, viewers can make a visual tour of a dozen famous tourist attractions, including Darasuram, the 12th century masterpiece of the Cholas with its exquisite stone carvings and sculptures.

The tag line of the TN tourism department may read experience yourself’ but tourism secretary V Irai Anbu felt that the viewer should have a better idea of the tourist places they want to visit. As the tourism destinations are depicted through pictures at present, he commissioned virtual tourism, a tool used by several tourism departments to lure online users to their home states.

When Irai Anbu saw the virtual tour of Thanjavur Brahadeeswarar temple by photographer cum designer A Suresh Babu, the owner of www.view360.in, a website specialising in presenting virtual tours, he asked the designer to arrange for a virtual tour of 11 tourist spots, including the UNESCO sites in Mamallapuram and Darasuram to the lesser known destinations like Kolli Hills and Yelagiri to Arignar Anna Zoological Park in Vandalur, within two months.

Although TN tourism’s virtual tour will be launched on Wednesday (September 30), the website www.tamilnadutourism.org already offers a tour of the 11 tourist destinations. We usually take photographs and then build the entire structure through flash software,’’ says Suresh Babu. Babu has already prepared virtual tours of the Thirumalai Naicker Mahal in Maudrai, Armenian Church and the Chennai Central Prison.

While the viewers have on view excellent photographs of the temples and architecture, the experience falls flat when it comes to visiting the Courtallam water falls on a virtual tour. Officials of the TN tourism department have raised this point. We are in the process of enriching the experience by adding audio to the tours. There is also a plan to use video when movement is involved, like in water falls. It will take about ten days. We will ensure the viewers are enriched with their virtual experience,’’ says Suresh Babu.

TOI

pdykid

September 29th, 2009, 10:35 AM

^^^^^^
Good initiative…

http://www.tamilnadutourism.org/virtualtour/index.html

And virtual tour is operational :)

satishanu

September 30th, 2009, 04:23 AM

TN (behind Delhi and MH) third most visited state in 2008 by foriegn tourists.
Also, 3rd most (behind AP and UP) visited state in 2008 by domestic travellers.

MoT’s latest tourist figures reveal Andhra Pradesh, Delhi as top Indian tourist destinations

Wednesday, September 09, 2009, 10:00 Hrs [IST]

According to an IANS report, Andhra Pradesh with its pilgrim spots remains a famous destination for the third time in a row, while Delhi continues to enjoy the tag of the Indian city most visited by foreigners. Latest figures from the Ministry of Tourism (MoT) show that the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, known for its renowned Tirumala Tirupati shrine and other temples, drew the maximum domestic tourists compared to other states. In 2008, a record 132.6 million people visited the state, as compared to 127 million in 2007, which in turn was a 14 per cent increase from 2006. Delhi also saw a major jump in its tourist figures in 2008 as far as foreign travellers are concerned. Over 2.3 million foreigners visited the national capital last year as compared to 2.01 million in 2007 and 1.9 million in 2006.

Uttar Pradesh also was a popular destination for three consecutive years. Last year, an estimated 124.8 million tourists visited the state, as compared to 105.5 million in 2007 and 116 million in 2006. The other states that were a hit with domestic travellers last year were Tamil Nadu (over 98 million), Rajasthan (over 28 million), Madhya Pradesh (over 22 million), Maharashtra (over 20 million), Uttarakhand (20 million), West Bengal (over 19 million), Gujarat (15 million) and Karnataka (over 12 million). These top ten states accounted for 88 per cent of the total domestic tourists' visit in 2008. The figures were collected from hotels and other accommodations by MoT.

Besides Delhi, foreigners favoured Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan. These were the states that were most visited by tourists in 2007 also. While Maharashtra drew over two million foreign tourists last year, in the previous year the figure was 1.9 million. Similarly, in 2008 about two million foreigners visited Tamil Nadu as compared to 1.7 million in 2007. Uttar Pradesh drew 1.6 million foreign visitors in 2008, while 1.49 million had come to the state in 2007. However, Rajasthan received the same number of foreign travellers -- about 1.4 million - as in the previous year.

The top ten states accounted for about 90 per cent of the total Foreign Tourist Arrivals (FTAs) in India in 2008. About 5.37 million foreigners visited India in 2008 as compared to 5.08 million in 2007. The other favoured states were West Bengal (1.1 million), Andhra Pradesh (789,180), Kerala (598,929), Himachal Pradesh (376,736) and Goa (351,123).

Source: http://www.hospitalitybizindia.com/detailNews.aspx?aid=6114&sid=6 (Note: Need to register to view the article)

TN is doing pretty well in tourism. Hope the trend continues...

Arul Murugan

September 30th, 2009, 04:45 AM

^^

Interesting.

Domestic tourism strength has amazingly gone up from 50million in 2007 to 98million in 2008.

Though the state receives 2million foreign tourists, the airports in the state just attract only less than 25% of traffic directly from foreign countries. This has to improve a lot when Madurai gets the place on international air map.

robertashok

September 30th, 2009, 05:26 AM

^^
If they improve the basic service like proper toilets and clean drinking water, i am sure the tourism will improve a lot within india itself.

chennaidesi

September 30th, 2009, 05:48 AM

I understand International is easy to track but how do they do for domestic tourism.

Also kerala's numbers are disappointing, One more if TN has 98 millions domestic tourist and karnataka only 12 and kerala less than that , that is difficult to digest. I was expecting at least 50% of TN numbers for these states.

gvijayan

September 30th, 2009, 05:54 AM

^^ I believe the reason is, TN has more number of tourist destinations than the neighbouring states. Also, TN has diversified types of tourist destinations (hill stations, falls, religious places, beaches, medical tourism centers) which would attract more people from the neighbouring states.
To my knowledge, number of tourists from KA and AP into TN will be much much more than the outbound tourists from TN to these two states.
But, indeed the nummbers given for Kerala seems to be on the lesser side, as the number of outbond tourists from TN to KL is more, but definitely not more than the dometic tourists within the state.

satishanu

September 30th, 2009, 05:58 AM

^^I believe TN travellers to AP will be higher than AP to TN bcos of Tirumala Tirupathi.

chennaidesi

September 30th, 2009, 06:00 AM

^^I believe TN travellers to AP will be higher than AP to TN bcos of Tirumala Tirupathi.

How come kerala has less than 12 million.

Arul Murugan

September 30th, 2009, 06:06 AM

TN does not have any huge mass crowd puller destination like Tirupathi or Sabarimala. Even Thiruvanamalai crowd should be less than compared to other two.
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Can we have separate tourism thread for TN?

"Tamilnadu Tourism - தமிழ்நாடு சுற்றுலா" thread for discussion in TN subforum

Enchanting Tamilnadu thread for pictures in image gallery.

gvijayan

September 30th, 2009, 06:18 AM

^^I believe TN travellers to AP will be higher than AP to TN bcos of Tirumala Tirupathi.

True.. I don't know how did I forget the Tirupati temple.

satishanu

September 30th, 2009, 06:37 AM

How come kerala has less than 12 million.

Even with 12 million, I guess around 2 million would be from TN..Anyone have any idea how many people (total not from TN) visit Sabarimala during peak time (Makara Jothi time)?

Also, Sabarimala is seasonal unlike Tirupathi isn't it?

satishanu

September 30th, 2009, 06:48 AM

robertashok

September 30th, 2009, 10:23 AM

Kerala should have more tourists than tamilnadu.

Most of the honeymooners (from India) and Foriegners would traveled by HouseBoat there.

The numbers might be wrong

gvijayan

September 30th, 2009, 12:17 PM

^^ Honeymooners contribute only to a small percentage of the total tourists. Even though Kerala has the best attractions of the 4 states (Munnar, Kumarakom and the Backwaters etc) the number is certainly limited.

In the case of TN, there are number of destinations in every corner of the state (Hogenakkal, Yercaud, Yelagiri, Vellore Golden Temple, Kanchipuram, Mahabalipuram, Tiruvannamalai, Kolli Hills, Chidambaram, Trichy, Tanjore, Kumbakonam (and all the temples around), Ooty, Coonoor, Valparai/Pollachi, Palani, Madurai, Courtalam, Tiruchendur, Rameshwaram, Papanasam, Kanyakumari).

I don't know if Pondy was considered to be within TN for this calculation, if that is the case, Pondy and Tirunallar will add to the count.

Off these, Tiruvannamalai, Hogenakkal, Yercaud and Yelagiri draw a huge number of tourists from KA.

Also, I am not sure if a person/group going from Karnataka/AP to Kerala by ground transportation (at least by road) will be counted for TN also, as they have to pass through a long stretch in TN. Just a wild guess.

satishanu

September 30th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Kerala should have more tourists than tamilnadu.

Most of the honeymooners (from India) and Foriegners would traveled by HouseBoat there.

The numbers might be wrong

Those are official figures released by MoT (Ministry of Tourism).

Anniyan

September 30th, 2009, 06:06 PM

I don't know if Pondy was considered to be within TN for this calculation, if that is the case, Pondy and Tirunallar will add to the count.

How can Pondy's visitors cant be included in TN, cos most visitors to Pondy will be from TN.

Anniyan

September 30th, 2009, 06:10 PM

You guys have missed out Vellankani which attracts many tourists from Kerala and Karnataka during Vellankani festival

satishanu

September 30th, 2009, 06:33 PM

Guys, what do you think of MDMK chief's allegation that TN fisherman are attacked by SL Navy which includes Chinese national. He says it could attack India (TN) vital installations using SL as base.

Is it true or baseless allegation?

Source: http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article26994.ece

kannan infratech

September 30th, 2009, 08:00 PM

Tourism can be sustained by good infrastructure like good roads, transport facilities, hotels, clean hygienic eateries, well trained guides, arranged tours, show casing local talents with marketing of local produces and the last but certainly not the least Marketing.

Mr. Irai Anbu IAS is such a fabulous person with lots of vision and he should be allowed to continue to complete the projects started by him.

Kerala has done wonders with very high level of marketing in India and abroad. The anthem GOD"S OWN COUNTRY was so successful. More important is the follow up action on the field.

They have started the new mantra ECO TOURISN now. I personally experinced this during my tours to remote places in Kerala. Even villagers were aware of what is Eco Tourism and what they should do or not do to support Eco Tourism. Special training is being given to the villagers by the Tourism Dept free of cost to encourage them to promote Home Stays.

Tamil Nadu is a treasure trove for tourists and the Govt should emulate Kerala Model. In TN we find many of the tourist centres are polluted with harsh loudspeakers blaring out film songs, roads littered with plastic bags, bottles & used food packs, toilets stinking & unusable, street urchins pestering and unscrupulous so called guides cheating, robbing & molesting, lodging houses fleecing and eateries providing third rated food at exhorbitant cost, curio shops peddling fakes.

I sometime feel that the psedo promotion actually hurts more and may be infra developmenbt should be stopped.

Arul Murugan

October 1st, 2009, 12:43 AM

You guys have missed out Vellankani which attracts many tourists from Kerala and Karnataka during Vellankani festival

Yes, Kerala people mostly visits Velankanni, Palani & Nagore in TN
KA people visits Ooty, Yercaud, Thiruvanamalai, Velankanni & Nagore

Next to Kerala, KA, Velankanni receives highest no. of tourists is from Goa and Maha.

Anniyan

October 1st, 2009, 12:54 AM

KA people visits Ooty, Yercaud, Thiruvanamalai, Velankanni & Nagore

and Mel Maruvathur

R2IChennai

October 1st, 2009, 09:15 AM

Lots of Bengali tourists(medical) visit Chennai

chennaidesi

October 1st, 2009, 04:22 PM

Most important TN has more UNESCO World Heritage sites whereas some states don't.

Ajaypp

October 2nd, 2009, 12:26 PM

Kerala should have more tourists than tamilnadu.

Most of the honeymooners (from India) and Foriegners would traveled by HouseBoat there.

The numbers might be wrong

The conventional wisdom in the tourism industry is that Rajasthan, Goa and Kerala are three most popular end-destinations for foreign tourists. Cities like Delhi and Mumbai show heavy traffic due to the fact that they are air-hubs. The three States mentioned above do not have direct connectivity to Europe and the US which are the primary originating markets for Indian tourism.

As far as lifestyle tourists go, the most important attractions currently are the beaches (Goa and Kovalam-Poovar in Trivandrum), palaces and cultural attraction (Rajasthan) and backwaters (Kerala).

This said, TN has made great strides in attracting tourists by creating the right mix of natural (beaches) and cultural (temples and arts) mix to attract foreign tourists.

chidambaram_mech04

October 6th, 2009, 03:49 PM

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greatchennai

October 7th, 2009, 03:16 PM

One more winner from Tamilnadu......Seems that TN have more nobel prize winners than other states...
Guys...Please Don't start comparison thread for this also.....:)

New Delh, October 7: Tamil Nadu-born Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, a senior scientist at the MRC Laborartory of Molecular Biology at Cambridge, has been awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for 2009 along with two others, the Nobel Committee announced today.

Born in 1952 in Chidambaram, Ramakrishnan shares the Nobel prize with Thomas E Steitz (US) and Ada E Yonath (Israel) for their "studies of the structure and function of the ribosome".

Ramakrishnan earned his B.Sc. in Physics (1971) from Baroda University and his Ph.D. in Physics (1976) from Ohio University.

He moved into biology at the University of California, San Diego, where he took a year of classes, then conducted research with Dr Mauricio Montal, a membrane biochemist.

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winners from India Till date ..I hope so...

RABINDRANATH TAGORE (1913)
Nobel Prize for Literature

Popularly known as Gurudev, India's most famous writer and poet was awarded the Nobel Prize in recognition of his work Geetanjali, a collection of poems, in 1913. Tagore was also involved in teaching. In 1901 he founded the famous Santiniketan which later came to be known as Vishwabharati University.

CHANDRASHEKAR VENKATA RAMAN (1930)

Nobel Prize for Physics

Born at Thiruvanaikkaval in Tamil Nadu, Raman studied at Presidency College, Madras. Later, he served as Professor of Physics at Calcutta University. C.V. Raman won the Nobel Prize for an important research in the field of optics (light). Raman had found that diffused light contained rays of other wavelengths-what is now popularly known as Raman Effect. His theory explains why the frequency of light passing through a transparent medium changes.

HARGOBIND KHORANA (1968)

The Nobel Prize for Medicine

Dr. Khorana was born in Raipur, Punjab (now in Pakistan). He went abroad to get his doctorate in Chemistry and later settled there. It was his study of the human genetic code and the role it plays in protein synthesis that got him the Nobel Prize.

MOTHER TERESA (1979)

The Nobel Peace Prize

Mother Teresa was born Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu at Skopje, now in Yugoslavia. She wanted to become a nun and joined the Irish order of the Sisters of Loretto (at Dublin) in 1928. It is as a nun that Agnes came Calcutta in 1929. Here she was extremely touched by the misery of the poor and the sick. She decided to dedicate her life to serving them. She then founded a group of similar minded people called the Missionaries of Charity and set up Nirmal Hriday a center where she took care of the dying, the lepers and other people who had been left alone on the streets of Calcutta to die. Today her group has centers all over the world.

SUBRAMANIAN CHANDRASHEKAR (1983)

The Nobel Prize for Physics

Dr S. Chandrashekar, is an Indian-born astrophysicist (a branch of astronomy or the study of space). After studying at the Presidency College in Madras, Dr. Chandrashekhar went to the United States for work and settled there. He has written many books on his field Astrophysics and

Stellar Dynamics. He developed a theory on white dwarf stars forecasts the limit of mass that dwarf stars can have. This limit is known as the Chandrashekar Limit. His theory also explains the final stages of the evolution of stars.

AMARTYA SEN (1998)

Nobel Prize for Economics

Prof. Amartya Sen is the first Asian to win the Economics Nobel. He is one of the most respected economics thinker in the world. He is also an excellent teacher. He won the Nobel for his work in the area of economic theory. Some of his most important work is in the areas of poverty, democracy, development and social welfare.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Nobel_prize_winners_from_India

satishanu

October 7th, 2009, 03:19 PM

^^This is simply greatest news for all Indians especially Tamils..

chennaidesi

October 7th, 2009, 04:19 PM

I am very proud to say I am a Tamilian.. Indian.

Kad07

October 7th, 2009, 08:14 PM

Great News. These Nobel Prize winners are all non-IITians, right?

Bless

October 7th, 2009, 09:00 PM

I'm Happy to hear the news.

Great News. These Nobel Prize winners are all non-IITians, right?

IIT's are not famous for pure science/research in science :)

Marathaman

October 7th, 2009, 09:02 PM

Congrats :D

Fusionist

October 7th, 2009, 09:06 PM

so you want to become a Tamilian and cleverer then.. Marathaman ? ;)

Marathaman

October 7th, 2009, 09:06 PM

so you want to become a Tamilian and cleverer then.. Marathaman ? ;)

I wouldn't mind. :lol:

robertashok

October 8th, 2009, 04:03 PM

satishanu

October 8th, 2009, 04:07 PM

^^Rent is on the higher side I guess. Rs6000.00 per month for school fees/etc??

stalward

October 8th, 2009, 06:26 PM

Hi

Today mr,Vaiko has raised the point that construction of the Research neutrino facility at the Sinkara in the Mudumalai Reserve was indeed dangerous proposition,It will not only endager the wildlife specied considered to be the Leopard and tiger santuary.it is going to affect the water source of millions of people who resides in the Wester side of TN.I have commended our CM in numerous Development but harming mother nature is not acceptable by any cost,We are answerable to our future generations.even keeping silent and reacting to forth coming danger is heinous crime,Even Scientist argue ans assay the fears of the people they cannot completely fortell what it will cause and what it does to environment.I want your arguments on pros and cons.as there is lot of Dry areas which could be the idel site for such projects,,..:bash:

Kad07

October 8th, 2009, 07:26 PM

Related article about Masinagudi Project

http://www.nbralliance.org/downloads/ino-lhc-hindu.pdf

venkatm

October 8th, 2009, 09:50 PM

Free for all in TN - Enjoy from sidelines

All the slimy characters are slugging it out

1. Law college - Caste fight
2. Lawyers vs Police
3. Actors vs Journos

Can you predict the next?

venkatm

October 8th, 2009, 10:04 PM

Another funny sidenote

Whether is is Cauvery, srilanka or this fight with journos, you will see Rajni, Kamal, Sathyaraj wearing black shirts, 1 finger on chin, trying to look serious :lol:

Me thinks that they are more worried about missing their drinks session while forcibly being made to attend these "koothus"

satishanu

October 8th, 2009, 11:55 PM

The newest CEO in the Tata group brings an aggressive pace and style to India’s largest IT consultancy firm.

If Natarajan Chandrasekaran is aware that he is filling big shoes, he doesn’t show a great deal of nervousness about doing so. At the first press conference after he took over as CEO and Managing Director of Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) from S Ramadorai, he left no one in doubt that his style would differ significantly from his mentor.

For one, the body language is notably different from his conservative predecessor. At the press conference he chose to stand and answered journalists’ queries with an easy informality.

For another, the outlook appears to be more aggressive and direct. TCS may be India’s largest IT consultancy firm, a jewel in the Tata Sons crown, but as far as “Chandra”, as colleagues call him, its $6 billion annual revenues account for just 1 per cent of global technology spends. To improve that, he promises to come out with an “audacious” vision statement in a few days.

Insiders acknowledge the differences. “He has been groomed by Ramadorai so there is some degree of continuity and the transition has been smooth. But what he brings is his aggression and direct approach,” said a senior company officials. Investors apparently like him because of his focus on margins.

Much of this is yet to be tested since Chandrasekaran took over only on October 6 from a man who grew the company from $150 million in 1996 with 7,000 employees then, to its current revenues and 140,000 employees. Ramadorai himself took over from a man who was a legend in the business — F C Kohli — so Chandrasekaran has plenty to live up to.

“He also likes to think big and is of a more recent vintage,” his colleague added. Certainly, the 46-year-old Chandrasekaran is one of the youngest CEOs in the Tata group.

Some suggest that his drive and determination are proven by his decision to run the 42-km Standard Chartered Mumbai Marathon in 2008, despite the fact that he had never run long-distance. He started training for this four years ago and ran the Berlin Marathon last year and plans to participate in this year’s New York Marathon. His other, recently adopted, hobby is photography.

Chandrasekaran, who lives in Mumbai with wife Lalitha and son Pranav, is an old TCS hand. He joined the company in 1987 after completing his Masters in Computer Applications from Regional Engineering College, Trichy, Tamil Nadu in 1986. He also holds a Bachelor of Science in Applied Science from the Coimbatore Institute of Technology, Tamil Nadu.

He started out with Mumbai as his base and did stints in California, Stockholm and the United Kingdom. In 1993, he moved to the US where he cut his teeth on the art of team building and customer management by creating a team from scratch and growing the business into one of TCS’ top five global customers.

His aggression is highlighted with the company’s focus on new services lines like BPO, platform-based solutions and emerging markets. Chandrasekaran is also instrumental in the big-ticket acquisition of Citigroup Global Services for $500 million, a decision that has positioned the firm as a leading player in the BPO segment.

“You have to give him credit for the growth of the BPO business. Five years ago the company’s BPO offering was negligible. It was an internal study done by McKinsey that suggested acquisition as a route to leapfrog in this segment,” said a colleague.

Responsible for formulating and executing the company’s global strategy, Chandrasekaran has been at helm of several key strategic transitions at TCS since 2002 when he took over the role as head of global sales. As Chief Operating Officer since 2007, he has been the architect of the new organisation structure unveiled in 2008.

Where Ramadorai gave TCS a truly global footprint, Chandra is pushing the envelope by creating centres in markets like the US and hiring more local people in geographies like France, Germany and Japan.

From what analysts say, this makes strategic sense, but others suggest his other big task will be to connect with the huge employee base and not restrict himself to a few people. “The recent restructuring has divided the company into over 20 business units with their own CEOs, business plans and HR strategy. How that develops has to be seen,” said an industry expert.

He has, at any rate, time on his side. As an emerging long-distance runner, he will know that that’s a huge advantage.

Source: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/newsmaker-natarajan-chandrasekaran/372633/

robertashok

October 9th, 2009, 12:26 AM

^^Rent is on the higher side I guess. Rs6000.00 per month for school fees/etc??

Rent is correct, The amount 6000 is if you want to afford only good things to your kid.

Marathaman

October 10th, 2009, 11:32 PM

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Raji7373

October 11th, 2009, 01:55 PM

Hey guys,

This was some time ago where there was a question of salary to live a decent life in chennai. My calculation was about Rs 18000 minimum to lead a good south indian life,with the new lifestyle.

Here it goes my calculation.

Rent : 10000.
Food : 3000
Electricity 800 per month.
Commuting expense : 1200 Rs
Food outside/entertainment : 2000.
Medical bills for parents : 1200 Rs

Add to this two kids school fees plus other stuff : 6000 Rs per children.

Oh man whopping 30000 Rs.

Guys, come with your calculation.

Apt calculation to an extent. WE can lead a decent living with this income.

Regarding rent it varies according to the place and kind of apartment you stay. It ranges from 8,000 to 20,000 per month. Premium apartments even at Zamin pallavaram is more than 14000 and for ordinary houses it is 8000 up, I guess, and in Velachery. T.Nagar kind of areas it somewhere around 18000 to 30000. These are feedback from my friends and neighbours as I stay in own house.

Commuting expense - not sure whether it will work out within 1200/-. 1500 - 2000 seems fine.

think_different

October 12th, 2009, 12:46 AM

விழுப்புரம்:போக்குவரத்து வசதிகளை கருத்தில் கொண்டு, தமிழகத்தில் 11 ஆயிரத்து 288 கி.மீ., தூரமுள்ள மாவட்ட சாலைகள், இரு வழிச்சாலையாக மாற்றப்படும் என நெடுஞ்சாலைத்துறை அமைச்சர் தெரிவித்தார்.விழுப்புரம் கலெக்டர் அலுவலகத்தில் சாலைப் பணிகள் குறித்த ஆய்வுக் கூட்டம் நடந்தது.

கூட்டத்திற்கு பின் நெடுஞ்சாலைத் துறை அமைச்சர் வெள்ளக்கோவில் சாமிநாதன் நிருபர்களிடம் கூறியதாவது:தமிழகத்தில் நெடுஞ்சாலைத்துறை மூலம் சாலை அமைத்தல்,பாலம் கட்டும் பணிகள் நடந்து வருகிறது.கடந்தாண்டு எடுத்த சாலைப் பணிகள் தேர்தல் காரணங்களால் இந்தாண்டும் தொடர்ந்து நடக்கும் வேளையில் இந்தாண்டிற்கான சாலைப்பணிகளும் நடக்கிறது. 4,873 கி.மீ., தூரம் உள்ள தேசிய நெடுஞ்சாலை மத்திய அரசு கட்டுப்பாட்டிலும்,3,670 கி.மீ., தூரம் சாலை இந்திய தேசிய நெடுஞ் சாலை ஆணைய கட்டுப்பாட்டிலும் உள்ளன.

9,381 கி.மீ., சாலை மாநில நெடுஞ் சாலையாக உள்ளன.மத்திய அரசு கட்டுப் பாட்டிலுள்ள சாலையை நான்கு வழிச் சாலையாக மாற்றுவது போல், மாநில சாலைகள் அதிகள வில் இரு வழிச் சாலைகளாக மாற்றப்படுகின்றன.இப்பணிகள் 95 சதவீதம் முடிந்துள்ளன. போக்குவரத்து வசதிகளை கருத்தில் கொண்டு,தமிழகத்தில் உள்ள 11 ஆயிரத்து 288 கி.மீ., தூரம் உள்ள மாவட்ட சாலைகள் இரு வழிச்சாலையாக மாற்றப்படுகின்றன.

36 ஆயிரத்து 96 கி.மீ., தூரம் உள்ள பேரூராட்சி, ஒன்றிய, கிராமச் சாலைகள், மாவட்ட சாலைகளுடன் இணைத்து பராமரிக்கப்படுகிறது. இதில், 45 ஆயிரத்து 971 கி.மீ., தூரம் சாலை அகலப்படுத்தி பராமரிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளன. இதற்காக, 8,311 கோடி ரூபாய் ஒதுக்கீடு செய்யப்பட்டுள்ளது. 1,500 பாலங்கள் அமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளன.சாலை அகலப் படுத்தும் பணிகளுக்காக 4,731 கோடி ஒதுக்கீடு செய்து,46 ஆயிரம் கி.மீ.,சாலைகள் புனரமைக்கப் பட்டுள்ளன.

விழுப்புரம் மாவட்டத்தில், 753 கோடி ரூபாய் ஒதுக்கீடு செய்து 3,150 கி.மீ., தூர சாலை அகலப் படுத்தப்படுகிறது. 585 கோடிரூபாயில் 2,743 கி.மீ., தூர சாலை புனரமைக்கப்பட்டு வருகிறது.157 பாலங்கள் அமைக்கப்படுகிறது. இந்தாண்டு, 836 கி.மீ.,தூர சாலை அகலப் படுத்த, புதிய சாலை அமைக்க தேர்வு செய்து 315 கோடி ஒதுக்கீடு செய்யப் பட்டுள்ளன. அதில் 77 பாலங்கள் அமைக்கும் இடங்களும் தேர்வு செய்து பணிகள் துவங்கும். அதிகளவில் விபத்துக்கள் ஏற்படுவதை தவிர்க்க பாலம், தடுப்பு உள்ளிட்ட பணிகள் மேற்கொள்ளப்படவுள்ளன.

ஐந்தாண்டுகளுக்கு ஒரு முறை சாலைகளை பராமரிக்க வேண்டும் என, இந்திய சாலைக் குழுமம் அறிவுறுத்தியுள்ளது. 10 ஆண்டுகளுக்கும் மேலாக, சாலைகள் பராமரிக்க வில்லை. தற்போது தமிழக முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியால், ஐந்தாண்டுகளுக்கு ஒரு முறை பராமரிக்கப்படுகிறது.மருத்துவக் கல்லூரி அமையும் இடத்தின் அருகே உள்ள நான்கு வழிச் சாலையில், கும்பகோணம் - சென்னை சாலை இணையும் இடத்தில் பை-பாஸ் சாலை அமைக்க நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும்.

வெள்ளத்தால் உடைப்பு ஏற்பட்ட, பையூர் பாலம் அமைக்கும் பணி தற்போது நடந்து வருகிறது. விழுப்புரம் - திருக்கோவி லூர் சாலை அகலப் படுத்தும் பணி விரைவில் துவங்கும். இவ்வாறு சாமிநாதன் கூறினார்.

dinamalar (http://www.dinamalar.com/Political_detail.asp?news_id=14357)

robertashok

October 12th, 2009, 06:44 AM

Apt calculation to an extent. WE can lead a decent living with this income.

Regarding rent it varies according to the place and kind of apartment you stay. It ranges from 8,000 to 20,000 per month. Premium apartments even at Zamin pallavaram is more than 14000 and for ordinary houses it is 8000 up, I guess, and in Velachery. T.Nagar kind of areas it somewhere around 18000 to 30000. These are feedback from my friends and neighbours as I stay in own house.

Commuting expense - not sure whether it will work out within 1200/-. 1500 - 2000 seems fine.

Raji Agreed,
The Rent is going to be different in different parts of city.

That is why i said, consider a typical south indian family (extended family). where a person stays with his spouse and parents, two kids.[which i believe is going to be the norm]

Let us not consider only Chennai, let us consider all the parts of tamilnadu and come up with figures.

Sampathkumar

October 13th, 2009, 08:37 AM

This is a joke which i recieved in an email. Nice imagination.

Hope those read this also will enjoy..

Three
> contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the
> White House in D.C. One
> from Bangladesh , another from India and the third, from
> China .. They go
> with a White House official to examine the fence
The Bangladesh contractor takes out a tape measure and
> does some measuring,
> then works some figures with a pencil. "Well",
> he says, "I
> figure the job will run about $900. ($400 for materials,
> $400 for my team and
> $100 profit for me)".
>
>
>
> The Chinese contractor also does some measuring and
> figuring, then says,
> "I can do this job for $700. ($300 for materials,
> $300 for my team and
> $100 profit for me)".
>
>
>
> The Indian contractor doesn't measure or figure, but
> leans over to the White
> House official and whispers,
> "$2,700."
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The official, incredulous,
> says, "You
> didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you
> come up with such a high
> figure?"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Indian contractor
> whispers back, "$1000
> for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from China to
> fix the fence."
>
> >
>
> Done!" replies the government
> official.

pdykid

October 13th, 2009, 11:49 AM

Reliance accounts questioned by Indian state-commissioned audit

The accounts of Reliance Communications, one of India's biggest companies, have been questioned by a government-commissioned audit that alleges it under reported its revenue to the government and paid too little in licence and spectrum fees.

The auditor, Parakh and Co, was asked to examine a "gap" between revenue from wireless services that Reliance, the country's second-largest mobile operator, reported in the financial year to March 2008, compared with wireless revenue reported to the government. "Our report reveals that there has been under reporting of revenue for the purpose of payment of revenue share, and underpayment of licence fee and spectrum fees," said the executive summary of the report, which was seen by the Financial Times.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f2b26fba-b78e-11de-9812-00144feab49a.html

kannan infratech

October 16th, 2009, 09:51 AM

Cross Posted for better visibilty:

SUGGESTIONS TO INDIAN RAILWAYS

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Ministry of Railways (Innovation Promotion Group) is working as multi departmental set up. It seeks Innovations / Innovative Suggestions from the citizens, institutes and Industries which may help in

- Improvementin Amenities on Railway stations and in Trains like Bed Rolls Management & Temp Control in AC Coaches, Cleaniness, coach watering, pest control etc.

- Security & Safety in Indian Railways

- Modernization of Railway Station Premises & Train Systems

- Increase in earnings of Indian Railways.

- Reduction of Maintenance costs by introducing new technologies.

Address for Communication:

The DIrector,
Efficiency & Research/ME &
Member Secretary, IPG
Ministry of Railways,
Room No: 509, Rail Bhawan,
Raisina Road,
New Delhi 110 001.
email: ipg@rb.railnet.gov.in

The sender is requested to indicate his address, telephone number and email ID for further communication.

Sampathkumar

October 22nd, 2009, 06:56 AM

சென்னை : ""முல்லைப் பெரியாறு, காவிரி நீர் பிரச்னையில் அண்டை மாநிலங்கள் எந்த அளவுக்குக் குற்றவாளிகளோ, அதே அளவுக்கு மத்திய அரசும் குற்றவாளி தான்,'' என்று பா.ம.க., நிறுவனர் ராமதாஸ் கூறியுள்ளார்.

அவர் நேற்று வெளியிட்டுள்ள அறிக்கை: முல்லைப் பெரியாறு அணை விஷயத்தில், சட்டத்தை மதிக்காமலும், நீதிக்கு தலை வணங்காமலும் கேரள அரசு நடந்து கொள்கிறது. நாட்டின் 30 பெரிய மாநிலங்களில் மிகச் சிறிய மாநிலம் கேரளா. ஆனால், மத்திய அரசுத்துறை செயலர்கள் 53 பேரில், 19 பேர் கேரளாவைச் சேர்ந்த அதிகாரிகள். தமிழகத்திலிருந்து இரண்டு அதிகாரிகள் மத்திய அரசு பணிக்குப் போயுள்ளனர். அந்த இருவரும் கேரளாவை சொந்த மாநிலமாக கொண்டவர்கள். தமிழகத்தைச் சேர்ந்த ஒரு அதிகாரி இப்போது மத்திய அரசில் செயலராக உள்ளார். அவர் இன்றளவும் பொறுப்பேற்கவில்லை. கேரளாவைச் சேர்ந்த அதிகாரிகள் என்றால், ஓய்வுக்கு பின், தாரளமாக பதவி நீட்டிப்பு வழங்கப்படுகிறது.

இந்த அசாதாரணமான நிலையால் தான், கேரளாவுக்கு சாதகமாக காரியங்கள் நடந்து கொண்டுள்ளன. முல்லைப் பெரியாறு அணை குறித்த புதிய சர்ச்சை தற்போது சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட் விசாரணையில் உள்ளது. ஆனாலும், மத்தியில் இணை அமைச்சர் மிகத் துணிச்சலாக தமிழக அரசை மதிக்காமல், புதிய அணை கட்டுவதற்கான ஆய்வு மேற்கொள்ள கேரளாவிற்கு அனுமதி அளிக்கிறார் என்றால், அந்த துணிச்சல் அவருக்கு எப்படி வந்தது. மத்தியில் ஆளுகின்ற கூட்டணி ஆட்சியில், முக்கியக் கூட்டணிக் கட்சி ஆட்சி நடத்துகிற தமிழகத்திற்குப் பாதகமாகவும். கேரளத்திற்குச் சாதகமாகவும் முடிவெடுக்கும் துணிச்சலை அவருக்கு கொடுத்தது யார், என்பதை துணிந்து அறிவிக்க முதல்வர் முன்வர வேண்டும். முல்லைப் பெரியாறு, காவிரி நீர் போன்ற நதிநீர் பிரச்னைகளில் அண்டை மாநிலங்கள் எந்த அளவுக்கு குற்றவாளிகளோ, அதே அளவுக்கு மத்திய அரசும் குற்றவாளிதான் அதை தமிழகம் பிரகடனம் செய்ய முன்வர வேண்டும். இவ்வாறு ராமதாஸ் கூறியுள்ளார்.

Is it true?

How come only one secretary from tamilnadu? Then what about big states like Andhra, Maharastra , Bihar, UP and all?

any comments

Into_salem

October 22nd, 2009, 09:27 AM

Our democracy in time of crisis

During the Cold War, if USA launched a nuke-loaded missile, Soviet satellites would inform the Soviet army in 3 seconds and in less than 45 seconds Soviet counter-missiles would be on their way.

Recent studies commissioned by US department of Defense included one on nuclear war between India and Pakistan.

This was their scenario.................

The Pakistan army decides to launch a nuke-missile towards India.

They don't need any permission from their government, and promptly order the countdowns.

Indian technology is highly advanced. In less than 8 seconds, Indian army detects the Pak countdown and decides to launch a missile in retribution.

But they need permission from the Government of India.

They submit their request to the Indian President.

The President forwards it to the Cabinet.

The Prime Minister calls an emergency Lok Sabha session.

The LS meets, but due to several walkouts and severe protests by the opposition, it gets adjourned
indefinitely.

The President asks for a quick decision.

In the mean time, the Pak missile failed to take off due to technical failure.

Their attempts for a re-launch are still on.

Just then the Indian ruling party is reduced to a minority because a party that was giving outside
support withdraws it..

The President asks the PM to prove his majority within a week.

As the ruling party fails to win the confidence vote, a caretaker government is installed.

The caretaker PM decides to permit the armed forces to launch a nuclear missile.

But the Election Commission says that a caretaker government can not take such a decision because elections are at hand.

A Public Interest Litigation is filed in the Supreme Court alleging misuse of power by the Election Commission.

The Supreme Court comes to the rescue of the PM, and says the acting PM is authorized to take this decision in view of the emergency facing the nation.

Just then one of the Pak missiles successfully took off, but it fell 367 miles away from the target, on its own government building at 11.00AM.

Fortunately there were no casualties as no employee had reached the office that early.

In any case, the nuclear core of the missile had detached somewhere in flight.

The Pakistan army is now trying to get better technologies from China and USA.

The Indian Government, taking no chances, decides to launch a nuclear missile of its own, after convening an
all-party meeting.

This time all the parties agree.

Its three months since the army had sought permission.

But as preparations begin, "pro-humanity",
"anti-nuclear" activists come out against the Government's decision.

Human chains are formed and Rasta rokos organised.

In California and Washington endless e-mails are sent to Indians condemning the government and mentioning

"Please forward it to as many Indians as possible".

On the Pakistan side, the missiles kept malfunctioning.

Some missiles deviate from target due to technical failures or high-speed wind blowing over Rajasthan.

Many of them land in the Indian Ocean killing some fishes.

A spl missile (smuggled from USA) is pressed into service.

Since the Pakistan army is unable to understand its software, it hits it original destination: Russia.

Russians successfully intercepts the missile and in retaliation launches a nuclear missile towards Islamabad.

The missile hits the target and creates havoc. Pakistan cries for help.

India expresses deep regrets for what has happened and sends in a million dollars worth of Parle-G biscuits.

Thus India never gets to launch the missile.

Pakistan never gets it right.

And we live happily ever after!!!!

This one I saw in my mailbox from one of my friend. JUST FOR FUN only.

Brand coimbatore

October 23rd, 2009, 12:41 PM

kpjith

October 23rd, 2009, 04:01 PM

It is true, we know how things are going in favor of kerala despite its size and less population compared to TN. We know how many interruptions were there in salem rly division formation, also there were news in local media that AAI is pretty reluctant to declare international status to airports like cbe n mdu also., We all know there is definite lobbying from kerala side. So there is no surprise in mullai periayar issue

Whats the main issue with Mullai periyar new dam?
My Understanding is that,
1.its a century old earthern dam made with surkki and now showing cracks and leaks and is endangering the lives of atleast 3 million people down stream
2.Kerala wants to build a new dam and is conducting a survey
3.kerala cm announced that ,it will continue to provide the same amount of water as before unconditionally based on a contract which was written about 100yrs back.

So whats Tamil nadu going to lose???
1. Do we need to bear the expenditure on new dam?
2.Will there be any problem with allowing water to areas like theni siva ganga etc?

Somebody please give some details rather than bashing at the number of officers and central govt attitudes.
By the way,God forbid, some thing happens to the existing dam who will be responsible for the millions of lives and property?

Brand coimbatore

October 23rd, 2009, 06:48 PM

If the dam is really weak, why would the central committee of experts say that storage capacity can be increased( from 112 to 146ft, im not sure of the figures.)

kpjith

October 23rd, 2009, 07:18 PM

If the dam is really weak, why would the central committee of experts say that storage capacity can be increased( from 112 to 146ft, im not sure of the figures.)

Hi ,
But thats not an excuse for a new dam,is it?Why take a risk with peoples lives.Just imagine , If such a dam is in tamilnadu and if there are reports of cracks and leaks , what would be going through the minds of people living downstream?
Infact ,if its a new dam it would be better for TN.We can always ask to increase the capacity - be it 146 or 150ft before construction.Then definitely there wont be any arguments over increasing the capacity and both sides are going to benefit :)

Sampathkumar

October 26th, 2009, 07:02 AM

Hi ,
But thats not an excuse for a new dam,is it?Why take a risk with peoples lives.Just imagine , If such a dam is in tamilnadu and if there are reports of cracks and leaks , what would be going through the minds of people living downstream?
Infact ,if its a new dam it would be better for TN.We can always ask to increase the capacity - be it 146 or 150ft before construction.Then definitely there wont be any arguments over increasing the capacity and both sides are going to benefit :)

I do agree with you partly. TN doesn’t want water after killing millions of people. No one in TN will like their brothers and sisters in kerala dying because of them.
But really the dam is weak or is it a wrong propaganda by kerala congress and communist parties? Normally a building life is considered as 100 years. And ancient buildings and dams life considered as 1000 years. How come this particular dam becomes weak just in 113 years?
Anyway there is a higher judicial authority (Supreme Court) in India which will give right directions to both states.
Three years back Supreme Court gave a verdict that dam storage level can raised up to 143 ft. But disappointingly kerala assembly passed an article to stop it.
Now still the case is pending in Supreme Court, why communist party is rushing to do a survey?
And worrying part is most of activities of kerala communist party is not at all transparent and doing silently in the back drop. This is not nice for a state government and friendly neighbor. You may know for how many years Cauvery issue is dragging and still there is better relation ship with Karnataka (even though there are some minor issues from small letter pad party leaders).
TN and kerala are interdependent states and must have mutual understanding. But Kerala's recent activities are not fruitful and breaking rules for small reasons... This is not good for kerala first.

TechCity

October 26th, 2009, 09:37 AM

Sampathkumar

October 30th, 2009, 02:37 AM

முல்லைப் பெரியாறு அணை எந்த அளவுக்குப் பாதுகாப்பானது, அதில் எத்தனை அடி உயரம் வரை நீரைத் தேக்கலாம் என்பதை ஆராய புதிதாக ஒரு வல்லுநர் குழுவை அமைக்கலாம் என்று உச்ச நீதிமன்ற நீதியரசர்கள் கூறிய யோசனையை கேரளம் ஏற்க மறுத்துவிட்டது.

இதற்காக கேரளத்தின் சார்பில் நீதிமன்றத்தில் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்ட கருத்து, கேரளத்தின் சுயநலத்தை அம்பலப்படுத்திவிட்டது. அதாவது, ""கடந்த முறையும் இதேதான் நடந்தது. தமிழகம் நியமித்த பிரதிநிதி தமிழகத்துக்கு ஆதரவாகவும் கேரளம் நியமித்த பிரதிநிதி கேரளத்துக்கு ஆதரவாகவும் கருத்து தெரிவித்தனர். மத்திய அரசு நியமித்த பிரதிநிதிகளின் முடிவால் எங்களுக்கு நீதி கிடைக்கவில்லை. இப்போது மத்திய அரசு பிரதிநிதிகள் 3 பேரை நியமிக்கலாம் என்கிறீர்கள். அதே பழைய முடிவு தான் (142 அடிவரை நீரைத் தேக்கினால் அணைக்கு ஆபத்து இல்லை) ஏற்படும்''

அதாவது கேரளம் சொல்வதற்கு ஆமாம் என்று தலையாட்டும் வல்லுநர்கள்தான் இவர்களுக்குத் தேவை. பொதுவான அறிஞர்கள், எந்த பாரபட்சமும் இல்லாமல் அணையை ஆய்வு செய்து, மாநில உணர்வுகளால் மாசுபடாமல் அறிவியல் சார்ந்து பேசுவார்கள் என்றால், கேரளத்துக்கு இதில் எதற்கு அச்சம்?

மூன்றாவது தரப்பில் மூன்று பேரை நியமித்தால், அவர்கள் உண்மையைப் பேசி, தங்கள் கருத்துக்கு குழுமத்தில் பெரும்பான்மை கிடைக்காது என்று இப்போதே கேரளத்துக்குத் தெளிவாகத் தெரிந்து இருக்கிறது. அதனால் இந்த எளிய ஆலோசனையைக் கூட ஏற்க மறுக்கிறது கேரளம். நடுநிலையான மூன்றாம் தரப்பு பிரதிநிதிகளைக் கொச்சைப்படுத்தும் இந்த வாதத்தின் மூலம் முல்லைப் பெரியாறு அணை விவகாரத்தில் கேரளம் மொண்டி ஆட்டம் ஆடுகிறது என்று நம்மை சொல்ல வைக்கிறது.

புதிய அணை கட்டப்படுமானால், பெரியாறு நீரை வேறு பயன்பாட்டுக்குத் திருப்பிவிடும் சாத்தியங்கள் நிறைய இருக்கிறது. குறிப்பாக, போத்தல் குடிநீர் விற்பனையில் ஈடுபட்டுள்ள பன்னாட்டு நிறுவனங்கள் இதற்காக காத்திருக்கின்றன. விட்டால், அவர்கள் மொத்த நீரையும்கூட போத்தலில் அடைத்து உலகம் முழுவதும் விற்றுக் கொழிப்பார்கள். அதற்கான சில வேலைகள் ஏற்கெனவே தொடங்கியுள்ள நிலையில், தமிழகம் தனக்கு கிடைக்கவேண்டிய தண்ணீரை புதிய அணைக்குப் பிறகு கேரளம் தராது என அச்சப்படுவது நியாயம்தான்.

இந்த அணைக்கு சேதம் ஏற்பட்டால் கேரளத்தைச் சேர்ந்த 4 மாவட்ட மக்களில் பல ஆயிரம் பேர் உயிர் இழப்பார்கள் என்பது மட்டுமே இதுவரை கேரளம் முன்வைக்கும் மிக முக்கியமான வாதம். கேரள அரசுக்கு உண்மையிலேயே அக்கறை இருக்குமென்றால் அவர்கள் தமிழக அரசிடம் கேட்க வேண்டியது இதுதான்: ""பாதுகாப்பு கருதி இன்னொரு அணையை பெரியாறில் தமிழக அரசு தன் சொந்தச் செலவில் கட்டி, அவர்களே நிர்வகிக்கட்டும். பெரியாறு அணையில் 142 அடி உயரம் நீரைத் தேக்கினால் எத்தனை கனஅடி நீர் தமிழகத்துக்குக் கிடைக்குமோ அதே அளவு நீரை தொடர்ந்து தமிழகம் பயன்படுத்திக் கொள்ளட்டும். புதிய அணை பழைய அணை இரண்டின் பராமரிப்பும் செலவுகளும் தமிழக அரசின் பொறுப்பாகும். பெரியாறு நீர் மற்றும் புதிய அணைக்கான குத்தகைக்காக குறிப்பிட்ட தொகையை தமிழக அரசு கேரள அரசுக்கு அளிக்கட்டும்'' என்று கேட்கலாமே!

ஆனால் கேரள அரசுக்கு தமிழக விவசாயிகள் நலனைவிட, இடுக்கி உள்ளிட்ட 4 மாவட்ட மக்களின் பாதுகாப்பைவிட வேறு நலன்கள் முக்கியமாக இருக்கிறது. பாலைவனமான அரபு நாடுகள் பெட்ரோலியத்தால் வளம் பெற்றதைப்போல, தனது அபரிமிதமான தண்ணீரை தமிழகத்துக்குக் கொடுப்பதைவிடப் பன்னாட்டு நிறுவனங்களுக்கு தாரை வார்த்தால் பணம் கிடைக்கும் என்ற எண்ணத்தைத் தவிர இத்தகைய நடவடிக்கைகளுக்கு வேறு என்ன பொருள் இருக்க முடியும்?

இந்நிலையில், கேரள அரசின் முல்லைப் பெரியாறு ஸ்பெஷல் செல் உறுப்பினர் ஜேம்ஸ் வில்சன், சமீபத்தில் ஓர் ஆங்கில நாளிதழில் எழுதிய கட்டுரையில் சில விஷயங்களை கூறியிருக்கிறார். அதன் மையக்கருத்து இதுதான்: ""136 அடி உயரமாகக் குறைத்த பிறகு தமிழ்நாட்டில் ஆயக்கட்டு பரப்பு 1.70 லட்சம் ஏக்கரிலிருந்து 1994-ல் 2.31 லட்சம் ஏக்கராக உயர்ந்துவிட்டது. ஆகவே 8000 எக்டேர் களர்நிலமானது என்பது உண்மையல்ல. (2009-ல் என்ன நிலைமை? அதைப் பற்றி பேசவில்லை) பரம்பிக்குளம் ஆளியாறு திட்டத்தில் பாலக்காடுக்குத் தர வேண்டிய தண்ணீரைத் தராததால், சிறுவாணி நீரை கோயமுத்தூருக்கு தராமல் நிறுத்த வேண்டும் என்று மக்கள் நெருக்கடி தந்தாலும், ஒரு நல்ல அரசாக நாங்கள் சிறுவாணித் தண்ணீரை கோவைக்கு கொடுத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறோம். இந்தக் கட்டுரைக்கு நீங்களும் நானும் தலைப்புவைக்க வேண்டியதில்லை. அவரே வைத்துவிட்டார் - "கற்பனை உரையாடலும் முதலைக் கண்ணீரும்'!

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Brand coimbatore

October 30th, 2009, 06:41 PM

Truth! Kerala govt should not sell its water resources to the MNC's .

Does siruvani areas/siruvani dam comes under kerala control??

Sampathkumar

October 31st, 2009, 05:38 AM

Truth! Kerala govt should not sell its water resources to the MNC's .

Does siruvani areas/siruvani dam comes under kerala control??

Yes. Siruvani dam catchment area comes in kerala state.
But that water flow they cannot revert back to kerala. From my understanding its flow will be towards TN only.

Sampathkumar

November 8th, 2009, 03:30 PM

யார் என்ன சொன்னாலும் முல்லைப் பெரியாறில் ஒரு புதிய அணை கட்டுவதில் மும்முரமாக இருக்கிறது கேரளம். அதற்காக அது பயன்படுத்தப் போகும் மணல் தமிழக மணல்! இதற்காக தினம்தினம் இரவில், திரண்ட அளவில் தமிழக மணல் கடத்தி ஸ்டாக் வைக்கப் படுகிறது. இந்த மணல் கடத்தலால் மதுரை, தேனி மாவட்டங்களில் வாட்டர் வைரஸ் காய்ச்சல் வேறு பரவி பாடாய்ப்படுத்துகிறது. குடிநீரும் கோவிந்தா ஆகி வருவது அடுத்த திடுக்.

கேரளம் அதன் அனைத்து கட்டுமானங்களுக்கும் நம்பியிருப்பது தமிழக மணலைத்தான். முல்லைப் பெரியாறில் புதிய அணை கட்டவும் அது தமிழக மணலைத்தான் மலைபோல நம்பியிருக்கிறது. தினமும் தேனி மாவட்ட வைகை மணல், ஒரு லாரி லோடு ரூ.7000 முதல் ரூ.8000 என்ற அடிப்படையில் 150 லாரிகளுக்குக் குறையாமல் கேரளாவுக்குச் செல்கிறது. குமுளி வழியாக மணல் வந்தால், கேரள செக்போஸ்ட் அதிகாரிகள் மாமூ ல்கூட வாங்காமல் ராஜ மரியாதையுடன் அந்த லாரிகளை அனுப்பி வைக்கிறார்கள்.

தேனி மாவட்டத்தில் குன்னூர்_அம்மச்சியாபுரம் பகுதிகளில் மணல்குவாரிக்கு அரசு அனுமதியளித்துள்ளது. அந்த அனுமதியைப் பயன்படுத்த¤, பல கி.மீ. தூரத்திற்கு குறிப்பிட்ட அளவையும் தாண்டி, ஆழமாக பொக்லைன்கள் மூலம் மணல் அள்ளப்படுகிறது. பிறகு டிப்பர் லாரிகளில் அதிகாலை நான்கு மணிவரை அவை சமர்த்தாக கேரளாவுக்கு அனுப்பப்படுகின்றன. இதைத் தட்டிக் கேட்கும் விவசாயிகள் மிரட்டப்படுகிறார்கள். புகார்கள் அதிகமானால் சில மாட்டுவண்டிகள், டிராக்டர்களை மடக்கியதாகக் கணக்குக் காட்டி சுபம் போட்டு விடுகிறார்கள் அதிகாரிகள். கடந்த சில நாட்களாக ஏற்கெனவே உள்ள ரேட்டுடன் கூடுதலாக ஐநூறு ரூபாய் சேர்த்து, அதிக அளவிலான மணல் கேரளாவுக்குக் கடத்தப்படுகிறது. முல்லைப் பெரியாறில் புதிய அணை கட்ட வாங்கப்படும் இந்த மணல், தேக்கடி வனப்பகுதியில் சேமிக்கப்படுகிறது.

இதனிடையே புதிய அணை கட்டுவது தொடர்பாக உச்சநீதிமன்றம் இரண்டாவது தீர்ப்பு வழங்கியுள்ள நிலையிலும், அதைத் துச்சமாகத் தூர எறிந்து விட்டு, அணை ஆய்வுப் பணியை அழகாக நடத்த¤வருகிறது கேரளம். அங்கே, பொறியியல் சர்வேயுடன், புவி புள்ளியியல் சர்வேயும் நடந்து வருகிறது. முல்லைப் பெரியாறு , புலிகள்வாழ் பகுதியில் பலத்த மழையையும் பொருட்படுத்தாமல் நூற்றுக்கணக்கான கேரள அதிகாரிகள் இந்த ஆய்வுப் பணியில் ஈடுபட்டிருக்கிறார்கள். நம்மூர் பொதுப்பணித்துறை அதிகாரிகளை தேக்கடி படகு குழாமிலேயே திருப்பி அனுப்பிவிடுவதால், வழக்கமான அணை ஆய் வுக்குக் கூடப் போகமுடியாமல் தலைமையக பங்களாவிலேயே முடங்கிக் கிடக்கிறார்கள் நமது அதிகாரிகள்.

புதிய அணைக்காகத் தேர்வு செய்யப்பட்ட இடத்தில் 36 ஏக்கரில் கட்டுமானப் பணியாளர்களுக்கான குடியிருப்பு கட்டும் நோக்கில் மணலை வாங்கிச் சேமிக்க ஆரம்பித்திருக்கிறது கேரளா. முல்லைப் பெரியாறு அணையிலிருந்து தமிழக எல்லைக்குள் திறந்து விடப்படும் தண்ணீர், 18_ம் கால்வாய், வைகை ஆறு, வள்ளலார், போடி, கொட்டகுடி ஆறாய்ப் பாய்ந்து தேனி, மதுரை உள்பட ஐந்து மாவட்டங்களின் நீர் ஆதாரமாய் இருக்கிறது. இந்த ஆற்றுப்படுகைகளில் எல்லாம் திருட்டுத்தனமாக அள்ளப்படும் மணல் நிலத்தடி நீர்மட்டத்தைக் குறைத்து, விவசாயத்திற்கும், குடிநீருக்கும் வினை வைத்துக்கொண்டிருக்கிறது.

இதுபற்றி புதிய தமிழகம் கட்சியின் தேனி மாவட்டச் செயலாளர் பால சுந்தரராஜிடம் பேசினோம். ‘‘இந்த ஆற்றுப்படுகைகள் கட்டாந்தரை ஆகும் அள வுக்குக் கனரக எந்திரங்கள் மூலம் முப்பதடி ஆழத்திற்கு மணல் அள்ளப்படுகிறது. குன்னூர் முதல் கண்டமனூர் வரை பத்து கி.மீ. தூரத்திற்கு மணல் அள்ளப்பட்டு அரண்மனைப்புதூர் காட்டுப் பகுதியில் வைத்து கேரளாவுக்கு அனுப்பப்படுகிறது.

மணல் லாரி டிரைவர்கள் அனைவரிடமும் அதிகாரிகளின் செல்போன் நம்பர் இருக்கிறது. நாங்கள் லாரிகளை வழிமறித்தால் அடுத்த நிமிடம் அதிகாரிகள் அங்கு வந்து எங்களை மிரட்டுகிறார்கள். ஒரு லாரி லோடுக்கு ஆயிரம் ரூபாய் மாமூல் என்பதால் அதிகாரிகளே இங்கு கர்மசிரத்தையாக கண்விழித்து காத்துக் கிடந்து மணல் லாரி குமுளி செக்போஸ்ட் போகும்வரை கூடவே இருந்து உதவுகிறார்கள். ஒரு நாளைக்கு 150 லாரிகள் என்றால் மொத்த மாமூல் எவ்வளவு என்று நீங்களே கணக்குப் போட்டுக் கொள்ளுங்கள். இது தொடர்பாக முதல்வருக்கும், தேனி மாவட்ட கலெக்டருக்கும் மனு கொடுத்திருக்கிறோம். நாங்கள் வேறு என்ன செய்ய?’’ என்றார் அவர்.

கண்டமனூர் பாசன விவசாயிகள் சங்கப் பிரதிநிதி ஒருவரிடம் பேசினோம்.

‘‘கண்டமனூர் வரை மணலெடுத்து கேரளாவுக்குக் கடத்துவதைத் தடுக்கக் கோரி கடந்த 2_ம்தேதி மனு நீதி நாளன்று கலெக்டரிடம் மனு கொடுக்க முயன்றோம். ஆனால் வருவாய்த்துறை, கனிமவளத் துறை, போலீஸ் அதிகாரிகள் எங்களை வழிமறித்து வற்புறுத்தி மனுவை அவர்களே வாங்கிக் கொண்டார்கள்.

இந்த ஆற்றுப்படுகைகளில் இரவு நேரத்தில் புல்டோசர்களால் தோண்டி மணல் திருடுவதால் உறைகிணறுகள் உடைவதுடன், மோட்டார், பைப் லைன் போன்றவையும் சேதமாகின்றன. குன்னூர், கருவேல்நாயக்கன்பட்டி, கோட்டைப்பட்டி, பள்ளப்பட்டி, அய்யனார்புரம், அம்மச்சியாபுரம், பொன்னம்மாள்ப ட்டி, ஆத்துதோட்டம் போன்ற இடங்களில் இரவில் டிராக்டர்கள் மூலம் எக்கச்சக்க மணல் அள்ளுகிறார்கள். ஒவ்வோர் இடத்திலும் அதிகாரிகள் ‘மேற்பார்வை’யில் இது நடக்கிறது. மணல் கடத்துபவர்களைக் குண்டர் சட்டத்தில¢ கைது செய்வது போய், தடுக்கப்போகும் எங்களைக் கைது செய்து விடுவார்களோ என்று பயமாக இருக்கிறது.

ஆற்றில் மணல் இருந்தால்தான் தண்ணீர் சுத்தமாக இருக்கும். ஆனால் இப்போது போர் வெல்லில் வரும் நீர் மோசமாக இருக்கிறது. கிராம மக்கள் தொற்றுநோயால் பாதிக்கப்படுகிறார்கள்’’ என்றார் அவர்.

‘மணல் கடத்தலுக்கும், தொற்றுநோய்க்கும் ஏதாவது தொடர்பு உண்டா?’ என்ற கேள்வியை தேனி மாவட்ட சுகாதாரத்துறை அதிகாரி ஒருவரிடம் முன் வைத்தோம்.

‘‘தேனி மருத்துவக் கல்லூரி மருத்துவமனையில் கடந்த ஒரு வாரமாக தினமும் இருநூறுக்கும் மேற்பட்ட நோயாளிகள் வாட்டர்_வைரஸ் காய்ச்சல் தொடர்பாக சிகிச்சை பெற்றுச் செல்கிறார்கள். ஆற்றில் மணல் இருந்தால் நீரின் மாசு குறையும். மணல் குறைந்துபோனால் இந்த மாதிரி வைரஸ் காய்ச்சல் வர வாய்ப்புண்டு’’ என்றார் அவர்.

மணல் கடத்தல் தொடர்பாக தேனி கலெக்டா¢ முத்துவீரனிடம் கேட்டபோது...

‘‘குன்னூர் பகுதியில் மூன்று இடங்களில் மட்டுமே டயர்வண்டிகள் மூலம் மணல் எடுக்க அரசு அனுமதித்துள்ளது. மீறும் வாகனங்களைப் பிடித்து அபராதம் விதிக்கிறோம். குடிநீருக்காக உறைகிணறு போடப்பட்டிருக்கும் இடங்களில் கண்டிப்பாக மணல் எடுக்கக்கூடாது என உத்தரவு போட்டி ருக்கிறேன். குன்னூர்_கண்டமனூர் வரை சட்டவிரோதமாக மணல் அள்ளுகிறார்களா? என்பதைக் கண்காணித்து நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கப்படும். குமுளி செக்போஸ்டில் விஜிலென்ஸ் அதிகாரிகளைப் போட்டு மணல் கடத்தல் கண்காணிக்கப்படுகிறது. கேரளாவில் புதிய அணைகட்ட மணல் கடத்தப் ப டுகிறது என்பது தவறான தகவல்’’ என்றார் அவர்.

ஆனாலும் இது பெரிய அளவில் விசாரிக்கப்பட வேண்டிய விஷயம் என்பதில் சந்தேகமேயில்லை.

stalward

November 9th, 2009, 04:09 PM

What ever Mr.Sampath told might be true.It gives the Level of Love our politicians have towards the People and their power hungry politics.
Impose Tax on the rice which ever given to kerala..because the maximum rice and vegetable go from TN.
We have explore new markets let them p[ay for it whatever they are making noise.
and also kerala attitude is very silly u might have read lot about leather wastes dumped on the Coimbatore soil as well as chemical wastes on the granite quarries.even the People have caught obne such lorries..because of the plunderer friendly policing and policies made them continue..
We Can do one thing put a mokkadu and enjoy all un picture and drink kanchi made up of 1 rupee rice..Valhza TN.:bash:

greatchennai

November 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM

He is becoming very popular like Sardhajee's one...

Records:

Russians: We are living in 48 deg cool temp we are great

Africans: We are living in 48 deg heat v are great

Tamilan: We are living even after seeing 48 vijay films. Goyala yarkitta......

Bus comedy:

Doctor - Ennappa eppadi adi pattuch
patient - Bus-la porappa 'vijay' padam pottanga,
Theatre-nu ninachu velia vanthutten
Doctor-??\

Suntv:

vijay : Namma suntv mela case podanum

Manager : Ethukku sir

vijay : Ennoda aduthapadam hit aagumnu sonnatha, vilayatu seithil la pottu irukanga

Chess comedy:

Ajit - chess vilaiyaada povom varingala?
vijay - neega pou ground la wait pannunga naan shoe pottutu varean
vijay rocks

National anthem:

Viajy to prabhudeva: Indha patu superah Iruke idha Namba Padathula
Remake panalama
Prabu Deva: Dei nasama ponavane Adhu Desiya Geetham da

Diff between kamal and vijay

Difference between kamal & vijay:
Kamal acts in 10 diff role in one film(original).
but vijay acts in same role in 10 different dupping films.

Director comedy:

Director comedy :

Director - Vadivelu podalama, Illa karunas podalama

Vijay - Comedy kuda nane pannuran sir

Director - Comedy neenga than panringa nan hero yara podalamnu think panran

Doctor vijay:

Dr. vijay sslc goes 2 a shop & shouts where is the free gift with this
mineral water.
Seller: There is no free gift with this
Vijay: But on the lable its written bacteria free. I am doctor u can't cheat me
Enjoy non stop doctor vijay comedies

Driver - Sorry sir petrol mulusa dry aagidichi , inimel oru adi kuda munnadi nagarathu
Dogtor vijay - Hmm.. sari reverse edu veetukavathu pokalam

Exam hall:

Ajith & vijay writing semester exam:
vijay : Thala konjam answer kattunga
Ajit: Hindi paper da idhu unnaku tamil exam da
vijay: Parravala adha kattunga na tamila remake pannikuraen
Thala: Idhuku picha edukalaam
vijay: yevalavo panrom idhu panna maatomaa......

Exclusive vijay comedies

Exclusive vijay comedies:
1. How a police can wear boot cut and have style hair?(pokiri)
2. How to go to final match after losing semi finals?(Gilli)
3. How to become boxer in 1 day & 1 song? (Badri)
4.How to come alive even after dying?(puthya geethai)
5. And finally having a long jump record for a half a KM in kuruvi....
Still to be continued :-) enna koduma sir idhu....

TV special:

Customer. Intha TV velai enna?

Salesman: 1,00,000 sir

Cus: Appadi enna special?

Salesman: Tv la "vijay" program vanda aduve thana vera channel maridum

Arasu

November 11th, 2009, 04:51 PM

satishanu

November 11th, 2009, 04:57 PM

How is the movie 'Eeram'. Heard it is a different story and good reviews for BG music. One song I saw in Youtube was good.

natarajan1986

November 11th, 2009, 06:10 PM

^^
great movie(ghost story) depicting tat men should trust wife and forget about the past.

satishanu

November 11th, 2009, 07:20 PM

^^Thanks for the gist. Good Shankar is encouraging new directors..

Arul Murugan

November 13th, 2009, 02:54 AM

Looks like big damage to Nilagiri Mountain railway

http://www.dailythanthi.com/thanthiepaper/13112009/FE_1311_MN_01_Cni02.jpg

Dailythanthi

greatchennai

November 13th, 2009, 02:39 PM

---மனைவி: ஏங்க உங்க நண்பர்கிட்ட பொண்ணு நல்லாருக்குன்னு ஏன் பொய் சொன்னீங்க?
கணவன்: எனக்கு பொண்ணுபார்க்கும்போது மட்டும் உண்மையா சொன்னான்!!

மனைவி: ஏங்க என்கிட்ட உங்களுக்கு பிடிச்சது என் சிரிப்பா,கூந்தலா, என் கண்களா?? எதுங்க?

கணவன்: இப்படி சிரிக்காமலேயே சூப்பரா காமெடி பண்ணுறியே அதான் புடிச்சுருக்கு

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மனைவி: நம்ம பையன் வளர்ந்து என்னவாக ஆசைப்படுறீங்க?

கணவன்: அவன் என்ன வேணும்னாலும் ஆகட்டும்...ஆனா யாருக்கும் புருஷனா மட்டும் ஆகக்கூடாது...

நான் பட்ட கஷ்டம் என்னோட போகட்டும்...

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மனைவி: ஏங்க.. சமையல்காரியை நிறுத்திட்டு இனி நானே சமைக்கிறேன்...எனக்கு மாச எவ்வளவு

சம்பளம் கொடுப்பீங்க?

கணவன்: உனக்கு எதுக்குடா சம்பளம்... நீ சமைக்க ஆரம்பிச்சுட்டேனா என் இன்சுரன்ஸ் பணம் மொத்தமும்

உனக்குத்தானே...!

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மனைவி: என்னங்க அதோ அங்க உக்காந்து தண்ணியடிக்கிறாரே அவரு என்னை பொண்ணு பார்க்க வந்தாரு,

நான் அவரை கல்யாணம் பண்ணமாட்டேன்ன சொல்லிட்டேன். அதை நினைச்சே அவரு இத்தனை வருஷமா

தண்ணியடிக்கிறாரு.

கணவன்: அவன் கொடுத்து வச்சவன்... அந்த சந்தோஷத்தை இத்தனை வருஷமா

கொண்டாடிட்டிருக்கானேன்னு தான் ஆச்சர்யமா இருக்கு.

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மனைவி: என்னங்க நான் செத்துப்போயிட்டா... என்ன பண்ணுவீங்க?

கணவன்: எனக்கு பைத்தியமே புடிச்சுரும்.

மனைவி: நான் செத்தா இன்னொரு கல்யாணம் பண்ணுவீங்களா?

கணவன்: பைத்தியம் என்ன வேணும்னாலும் பண்ணும்.

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கணவன் மனைவிக்கு கார் கதவை திறந்து கொடுத்தால் அதற்கு மூன்று காரணங்களே இருக்க முடியும்.

1. புது மனைவியாக இருக்கும்

2. புது காராக இருக்கும்

3. அந்த பெண் மனைவியாக இருக்க முடியாது.

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டாக்டர் : உங்க கணவருக்கு இப்ப ஓய்வு ரொம்ப முக்கியம்... இந்தாங்க தூக்க மாத்திரை

மனைவி: இதை எத்தனை தடவை கொடுக்கனும் அவருக்கு

டாக்டர்: இது அவருக்கு இல்லை...உங்களுக்கு

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புயல் மழையில் ஒருவன் பிஸ்ஸா வாங்க கடைக்கு செல்கிறான்

கடைக்காரர் : சார் உங்களுக்கு கல்யாணம் ஆயிடுச்சா...

வந்தவர்: பின்ன இந்த புயல் மழைல எங்க அம்மாவா என்னை பிஸ்ஸா வாங்க அனுப்புவாங்க...!??

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லாஸ்ட் பட் நாட் லீஸ்ட்:

கடவுள்: மனிதா உனக்கு என்ன வரம் வேண்டும் கேள்?

மனிதன்: இந்தியாவுலேர்ந்து அமெரிக்காவிற்கு ரோடு போட்டு கொடுங்க சாமி!!

கடவுள்: அது கஷ்டமாச்சே...வேறு ஏதாவது கேள்.

மனிதன்: அப்ப என் மனைவி பேச்சை குறைக்கணும், நான் சொல்றதை கேட்கனும், எதையும்

வாங்கிக்கேட்ககூடாது...

கடவுள்: அமெரிக்காவுக்கு ரோடு சிங்கிளா, டபுளா...?

georgenadar

November 13th, 2009, 05:25 PM

---மனைவி: ஏங்க உங்க நண்பர்கிட்ட பொண்ணு நல்லாருக்குன்னு ஏன் பொய் சொன்னீங்க?
கணவன்: எனக்கு பொண்ணுபார்க்கும்போது மட்டும் உண்மையா சொன்னான்!!....................
?
kalakiteenga ponga

dis.agree

November 14th, 2009, 05:19 PM

@dis.agree: It would be better if you read the posts clearly again. I never said remittance is not doing good for Kerala. I had made clear in my earlier posts too. If Keralites know to convert the 20% remittances they get to the 100% GSDP, it is well and good, right?

i did not at all understand what you said. what do you mean keralites know to convert 100% and all that? remittances are by bread earner of a family, mostly poor families. these remittances are used for purchasing food, houses & other consumables. i suppose part of that nrk money would also get into investments (as opposed to consumption) which also gets counted into gsdp.

Coming to district wise GSDPs as on 2007

Chennai: 16670.56 crores
Coimbatore: 18205.54 crores
Madurai: 82485.3 crores
Ernakulam: 18729.37 crores
Trivandrum: 14569.67 crores
Thrissur - 12773.29 crores

what's your source of this data? madurai is too high. chennai too low. even if chennai data is correct, it is not useful info if residents go outside district to work - most software offices & manufacturing sites are not part of chennai district. you are probably not aware of thiruvallur & kachipuram districts have among the highest per capita production values in india, slightly higher than chennai. and what exactly is your point of listing district wise gdp? we were comparing states & urban-rural regions.

Whether the 20% remittances pushes the GSDP or not the net result is what matters. Kerala is third in Percapita income in India.

Haryana: 37314 (Growth rank 1)
Maharashtra:30982 (Growth rank 10)
Kerala:30044 (Growth rank 2)
TamilNadu:28320 (Growth rank 5)

Please do read recent articles also

well, here is an official statistics of all states & union territories from rbi website.
http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/PublicationsView.aspx?id=11593

latest stats available for kerala are for 2007-08. i am using current prices since present day numbers makes more sense to all of us instead of rupee value 10 years ago:

chandigarh: 110,676
goa: 105,582
delhi: 78,690
puducherry: 63,524
haryana: 58,531
andaman & nicobar: 42,561 (2006-07)
maharastra: 47,051
punjab: 44,923
gujarat: 37,532 (2006-07 and is higher than kerala's 2006-07)
kerala: 41,814
tamil nadu: 40,757
himachal pradesh: 40,134

Arul Murugan

November 15th, 2009, 04:14 AM

Another Language debate!

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/new/NDTV-Show-Special.aspx?ID=468

Kanimozhi has given "sattai adi by speaking in Tamil"

sudheeshnairs

November 15th, 2009, 05:31 PM

i did not at all understand what you said. what do you mean keralites know to convert 100% and all that? remittances are by bread earner of a family, mostly poor families. these remittances are used for purchasing food, houses & other consumables. i suppose part of that nrk money would also get into investments (as opposed to consumption) which also gets counted into gsdp.

I was just mentioning the prejudices of many that the Kerala economy is dependant mostly in remittances. Eventhough remittances are not accounted directly for GSDP, it may have some ripple effects in it.

what's your source of this data? madurai is too high. chennai too low. even if chennai data is correct, it is not useful info if residents go outside district to work - most software offices & manufacturing sites are not part of chennai district. you are probably not aware of thiruvallur & kachipuram districts have among the highest per capita production values in india, slightly higher than chennai. and what exactly is your point of listing district wise gdp? we were comparing states & urban-rural regions.

I think I got it from some TN govt related website and it shows 2006-07 figures. I have the PDF with me in my office PC. I can send it to you through email. Other wise will have to convert the table in to an image and post it. Sorry, it was my mistake regarding Madurai in putting the 'decimal point'. I have corrected it, Madurai has only 8248.53 crores. Yes, the GSDP is of Chennai dist only. Chennai has a very low contribution from 'Primary Sector'. Coimbatore fares much better in this and hence it is ahead of Chennai even though the figures are lower in secondary and tertiary sectors compared with Chennai.

These figures I posted as a reply to the 'silly comment' posted earlier by M A Easwaran that Kerala produce nothing. I forgot to say also that in Kochi has also a Petroleum Refinery with 7.50 MMTPA capacity, which pushes the GSDP of Ernakulam District ahead of other districts I mentioned. Petronet is building another LNG Terminal in Kochi with a capacity of 2.5 MMTPA.

well, here is an official statistics of all states & union territories from rbi website.
http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/PublicationsView.aspx?id=11593

latest stats available for kerala are for 2007-08. i am using current prices since present day numbers makes more sense to all of us instead of rupee value 10 years ago:

chandigarh: 110,676
goa: 105,582
delhi: 78,690
puducherry: 63,524
haryana: 58,531
andaman & nicobar: 42,561 (2006-07)
maharastra: 47,051
punjab: 44,923
gujarat: 37,532 (2006-07 and is higher than kerala's 2006-07)
kerala: 41,814
tamil nadu: 40,757
himachal pradesh: 40,134

First of all I think I made mistake since I didn't highlight 'Among big states'. Goa, Delhi, Puduchery etc fall under seperate category being city states/ or small states. And I do not know how 'Chandigarh' is inlcuded as a state.

I had quoted the figures from an article which appeared in the 'Mint' business daily on 4th Oct 09.

http://www.livemint.com/2009/10/04220020/Who-is-growing-and-why.html?h=B

Anniyan

November 16th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Tamilians have names for every profession.
Some names are interesting and funny :-)

Doctor -- Vaidyanathan
Dentist -- Pallavan
Lawyer -- Kesavan

North Indian Lawyer -- Punjabakesan

Financier -- Dhanasekaran
Cardiologist -- Irudhayaraj
Pediatrist -- Kuzhandaisamy
Psychiatrist -- Mano

Marriage Counselor -- Kalyanasundaram
Ophthalmologist --Kannayiram

Diabetologist -- Sakkarapani
Nutritionist -- Arogyasamy
Hypnotist -- Sokkalingam
Mentalist -- Budhisikamani
Exorcist -- Maatruboodham
Magician -- Mayandi
Builder -- Sengalvarayan

Painter -- Chithira guptan

Meteorologist -- Kaarmegam
Agriculturist -- Pachaiyappan
Horticulturist -- Pushpavanam
Landscaper -- Bhuminathan
Barber -- Kondaiappan
Beggar -- Pichai
Bartender -- Madhusudhan

Exhibitionist -- Ambalavaanan
Fiction writer -- Naavalan
Makeup Man -- Singaram
Milk Man -- Paul Raj
Dairy Farmer -- Pasupathi
Dog Groomer -- Naayagan
Snake Charmer -- Nagamurthi
Mountain Climber -- Yezhumalai
Javelin Thrower -- Velayudam
Polevaulter -- Thaandavarayan
Weight Lifter -- Balaraman
Sumo Wrestler -- Gundu Rao
Karate Expert -- Kailaasam
Kick Boxer -- Ethiraj
Batsman -- Dhandiappan
Bowler -- Balaji
Spin Bowler -- Thirupathi
Female Spin Bowler -- Thirupura Sundari
Driver -- Sarathy
Attentive Driver -- Parthasarathy

Arasu

November 16th, 2009, 03:40 PM

^^ Pretty good! :)

Arasu

November 16th, 2009, 10:55 PM

I will add a few more.

Waiter - Kathamuthu
Cook - Nala Damayanthi
Servant - Velandi
Speed walking champion - Natarajan
Astronomer - Akash
Ornithologist - Paranthaman
Computer Programmer - Kanimozhi
Mechanic - RajEndhiran
Lyricist - Kaviarasu

Marathaman

November 16th, 2009, 11:35 PM

Another Language debate!

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/new/NDTV-Show-Special.aspx?ID=468

Kanimozhi has given "sattai adi by speaking in Tamil"

:applause: Bravo DMK. MNS is pathetic.

scorpiogenius

November 16th, 2009, 11:43 PM

Tamilians have names for every profession.
Some names are interesting and funny :-)

Bowler -- Balaji
Spin Bowler -- Thirupathi
Female Spin Bowler -- Thirupura Sundari

^^
:lol::lol:

@ Marathaman, the old suck-up has done probably the dumbest thing ever! Attacking India's and Mumbai's favourite son. This volley on Sachin will be rued by the nut-leader to his grave, sure... and the end is nigh. :bash:

Marathaman

November 16th, 2009, 11:46 PM

^^
:lol::lol:

@ Marathaman, the old suck-up has done probably the dumbest thing ever! Attacking India's and Mumbai's favourite son. This volley on Sachin will be rued by the nut-leader to his grave, sure... and the end is nigh. :bash:

The MNS guy was useless. He couldn't put forward a single good point.

Sampathkumar

November 17th, 2009, 05:04 AM

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6935/17112009015001001.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/17112009015001001.jpg/)http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/17112009015001001.jpg/1/w538.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img109/17112009015001001.jpg/1/)

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3871/17112009015002.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/17112009015002.jpg/)http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/17112009015002.jpg/1/w539.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img121/17112009015002.jpg/1/)

^^

robertashok

November 17th, 2009, 09:13 AM

Arasu

November 17th, 2009, 11:36 AM

I happend to see yesterday's neeya naana , which was telecasted on sunday.

I was stunned by the way the chief guest Psychiatrist Rudran conducted himself.
I am also did not understand why gopinath allowed the way Mr Rudran sorry stupid ********* Rudran to conduct himself. I have seen Gopinath pulling out people who had very strong personal but unacceptable views.

Henceforth there needs to be a protocol set in for the show, and seeing this kind of show , again i would like reiterate that we should save ourselves from MEDIA. i think it is trying to occupy us.

This is insufficient informationn to make out what you are talking about unless one has watched the program you are refering to. As many are NRIs and even some resident Tamilians may not have watched the program, it would help if some background information is provided.

robertashok

November 17th, 2009, 12:17 PM

This is insufficient informationn to make out what you are talking about unless one has watched the program you are refering to. As many are NRIs and even some resident Tamilians may not have watched the program, it would help if some background information is provided.

Hi Arasu,

Thanks for posting the info.it is not possible for me to provide history and geograhy of the entire episode. so here goes the details.

http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/neeya-naana-60/

Arasu

November 17th, 2009, 01:30 PM

^^

I am sorry. The link you have provided has more media and marketing blitzkreig (that you seem to hate) that I am not able to listen what is being said in the TV program. Scores of advertisements blaring and additional pop-ups. The link is a mess.

If the link you have provided is that of the program you had earlier refered to where is the need for any history or geography? By the way, I had only asked for background information since you started talking talking about something without any reference or introduciton. Forumers don't have the ability to read your mind.

greatchennai

November 18th, 2009, 01:58 PM

google it....I hope we can find everything under sun....

For neeya..nanna the best search will be youtube.....i think

Sampathkumar

November 19th, 2009, 08:39 AM

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tv/TED-India-Pranav-Mistry/videoshow_ted/5231080.cms

I dont know whether you guys saw this video earlier or not..
But really amazing....

ajnath

November 19th, 2009, 10:37 AM

^^
Super comedy!

Is it true so many Vijay based jokes doing rounds in magazines & TV channels?

I think he must learn quickly to change his style and the kind of roles he plays but I am not sure if he can manage that. Same type of stories, dance moves, dialogues, dialogue delivery, highly exaggerated action sequences. Generations have changed from the time of MGR/Nambiar. Actors/Directors have to change according to the times.:bash:

Why blame only Vijay. Most of our heros are doing much exagrated things. A single man fighting 100s gundas all attacking the hero one by one and not in group. Is it possible in real world. What Vadivelu doing in his films as comedy, are all originals of other heros of Tamil and Telugu films, done in the name of heroism.

kovaidreamz

November 19th, 2009, 02:53 PM

Why blame only Vijay. Most of our heros are doing much exagrated things. A single man fighting 100s gundas all attacking the hero one by one and not in group. Is it possible in real world. What Vadivelu doing in his films as comedy, are all originals of other heros of Tamil and Telugu films, done in the name of heroism.

yeah everybody does i agree...but vijay stands at top :dunno::dance2:and he has given consistent performance despite go hang urself criticism's on him..... now surya has started- one thing is clear, until they become popular and people start to recognise them ,they act well...as soon as people start to accept them as heroes, they start ruining their own rewards by these super heroic acts............. directors and actors bynow must hav learnt from the people that they no more have the taste of classical MGR & Sivaji audiences............and change accordingly

Anniyan

November 20th, 2009, 02:46 PM

Marathaman

November 20th, 2009, 05:14 PM

Karunanidhi is writing film dialogues :lol:

Anniyan

November 20th, 2009, 05:32 PM

Karunanidhi is writing film dialogues :lol:

http://chennai365.com/news/chief-minister-m-karunanidhis-ponkar-shankar-invitation/

http://www.asianetindia.com/entertainment/ramba-pen-singam_94985.html

Marathaman

November 20th, 2009, 05:37 PM

Kewl. What's the budget like?

Arasu

November 21st, 2009, 01:50 AM

Karunanidhi is writing film dialogues :lol:

I am not sure if you know that he has film background. Sivaji Ganesan's first movie 'Parasakthi' s dialogue was penned by Karunanidhi. One of the main reasons for the success of the movie was the dialogues.

I doubt the present generation of Tamilians would understand his Tamil.

A couple of weeks back I came across a poem recited by him decades back trying to explain his loss in election to MGR. Only a few people in the world can proffer such an expert explanation (in chaste Tamil.). I particularly liked the way he used the names of Sangam works in his speech as ordinary words.

The link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeF9mmQmOUo

Arasu

November 21st, 2009, 02:01 AM

Opposition party leader was resting in Kodainadu estate for ages and now its the turn of the ruling party leader. Chief Minister has go to Mahabalipuram to write screen play and dialogues for his two upcoming tamil movies. Great going Tamil nadu kingdom!

Even George Bush at the height of Iraq war was seen resting in his ranch in Texas many times. What more do you expect from an octogenarian chief minister?

Marathaman

November 21st, 2009, 03:40 AM

I am not sure if you know that he has film background. Sivaji Ganesan's first movie 'Parasakthi' s dialogue was penned by Karunanidhi. One of the main reasons for the success of the movie was the dialogues.

I doubt the present generation of Tamilians would understand his Tamil.

A couple of weeks back I came across a poem recited by him decades back trying to explain his loss in election to MGR. Only a few people in the world can proffer such an expert explanation (in chaste Tamil.). I particularly liked the way he used the names of Sangam works in his speech as ordinary words.

The link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeF9mmQmOUo

Thanks! I had no idea of his literary bent. Reminds me of Vajpayeeji - another poet in politics.

I'm very sorry but my Tamil is quite weak (to say the least) :P

kannan infratech

November 21st, 2009, 04:26 PM

Guys!

Have a great week end. ENSOY!!! :banana:

நியாயமான ஒரு கேள்வி
"ஏம்பா இந்த கம்ப்யூட்டர் படிச்சவங்க எல்லாம் நிறைய சம்பளம்
வாங்கிட்டு, பந்தா பண்ணிட்டு ஒரு தினுசாவே அலையுறீங்களே? அப்படி என்னதான் வேலை பார்ப்பீங்க ?" –
நியாயமான ஒரு கேள்வியை கேட்டார் எனது அப்பா.
நானும் விவரிக்க ஆரம்பிதேன்.
"வெள்ளைகாரனுக்கு எல்லா வேலையும் சீக்கிரமா முடியனும்.
அதே மாதிரி எல்லா வேலையும் அவனோட வீட்டுல
இருந்தே செய்யணும்.
இதுக்காக எவ்வளவு பணம் வேணுமானாலும் செலவு செய்ய
தயாரா இருக்கான்."
"அது சரி பல்லு இருக்குறவன் பக்கோடா சாப்பிடுறான்". "இந்த மாதிரி அமெரிக்கால்-ல, இங்கிலாந்து-ல இருக்குற Bank,
இல்ல எதாவது கம்பெனி, "நான் செலவு செய்ய தயாரா இருக்கேன்.
எனக்கு இத செய்து கொடுங்க கேப்பாங்க.
இவங்கள நாங்க "Client"னு சொல்லுவோம்.
"சரி"
இந்த மாதிரி Client-அ மோப்பம் பிடிக்குறதுக்காகவே எங்க
பங்காளிக கொஞ்ச பேர அந்த அந்த ஊருல உக்கார வச்சி இருப்போம். இவங்க பேரு "Sales Consultants, Pre-Sales Consultants. ...".
இவங்க போய் Client கிட்ட பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடத்துவாங்க.
காசு கொடுகுறவன் சும்மாவா கொடுப்பான்? ஆயிரத்தெட்டு கேள்வி கேப்பான். உங்களால இத பண்ண முடியுமா? அத பண்ண முடியுமான்னு அவங்க கேக்குற எல்லாம் கேள்விக்கும், "முடியும்"னு பதில் சொல்றது இவங்க வேலை.
"இவங்க எல்லாம் என்னப்பா படிச்சுருபாங்க"?
"MBA, MSனு பெரிய பெரிய படிபெல்லாம் படிச்சி இருப்பாங்க."
"முடியும்னு ஒரே வார்த்தைய திரும்ப திரும்ப சொல்றதுக்கு
எதுக்கு MBA படிக்கணும்?" –
அப்பாவின் கேள்வியில் நியாயம் இருந்தது.
"சரி இவங்க போய் பேசின உடனே client project கொடுத்துடுவானா?"
"அது எப்படி? இந்த மாதிரி பங்காளிக எல்லா கம்பெனிளையும்
இருப்பாங்க. 500 நாள்ல முடிக்க வேண்டிய வேலைய 60 நாள்ள
முடிச்சு தரோம், 50 நாள்ல முடிச்சு தரோம்னு பேரம் பேசுவாங்க.
இதுல யாரு குறைஞ்ச நாள சொல்றாங்களோ அவங்களுக்கு
ப்ராஜெக்ட் கிடைக்கும்"
"500 நாள்ல முடிக்க வேண்டிய வேலைய 50
நாள்ல எப்படி முடிக்க முடியும்? ராத்திரி பகலா வேலை பார்த்தாலும்
முடிக்க முடியாதே?"
"இங்க தான் நம்ம புத்திசாலித்தனத்த நீங்க
புரிஞ்சிக்கணும். 50 நாள்னு சொன்ன உடனே client சரின்னு சொல்லிடுவான்.
ஆனா அந்த 50 நாள்ல அவனுக்கு என்ன வேணும்னு அவனுக்கும்
தெரியாது, என்ன செய்யனும்னு நமக்கும் தெரியாது.
இருந்தாலும் 50 நாள் முடிஞ்ச பிறகு ப்ரோஜெக்ட்னு ஒன்ன நாங்க deliver பண்ணுவோம்.
அத பாத்துட்டு "ஐய்யோ நாங்க கேட்டது இதுல்ல,
எங்களுக்கு இது வேணும், அது வேணும்னு" புலம்ப ஆரம்பிப்பான்.
"அப்புறம்?" - அப்பா ஆர்வமானார்.
"இப்போ தான் நாங்க நம்பியார் மாதிரி கைய பிசஞ்சிகிட்டே
"இதுக்கு நாங்க CR raise பண்ணுவோம்"னு சொல்லுவோம்.
"CR-னா?"
"Change Request. இது வரைக்கும் நீ கொடுத்த பணத்துக்கு நாங்க
வேலை பார்த்துட்டோம்.
இனிமேல் எதாவது பண்ணனும்னா எக்ஸ்ட்ரா பணம் கொடுக்கணும்"னு
சொல்லுவோம்.
இப்படியே 50 நாள் வேலைய 500 நாள் ஆக்கிடுவோம்."
அப்பாவின் முகத்தில் லேசான பயம் தெரிந்தது.
"இதுக்கு அவன் ஒத்துபானா?"
"ஒத்துகிட்டு தான் ஆகணும்.
முடி வெட்ட போய்ட்டு, பாதி வெட்டிட்டு வர முடியுமா?"
"சரி ப்ராஜெக்ட் உங்க கைல வந்த உடனே என்ன பண்ணுவீங்க?"
"முதல்ல ஒரு டீம் உருவாக்குவோம்.
இதுல ப்ராஜக்ட் மேனேஜர்னு ஒருத்தர் இருப்பாரு.
இவரது தான் பெரிய தலை.
ப்ராஜெக்ட் சக்சஸ் ஆனாலும், ஃபெயிலியர் ஆனாலும் இவரு தான் பொறுப்பு."
"அப்போ இவருக்கு நீங்க எல்லாரும் பண்ற வேலை எல்லாம்
தெரியும்னு சொல்லு."
"அதான் கிடையாது.
இவருக்கு நாங்க பண்ற எதுவும்யே தெரியாது."
"அப்போ இவருக்கு என்னதான் வேலை?" –
அப்பா குழம்பினார்.
"நாங்க என்ன தப்பு பண்ணினாலும் இவர பார்த்து கைய நீட்டுவோம். எப்போ எவன் குழி பறிப்பானு டென்ஷன் ஆகி டயர்ட் ஆகி டென்ஷன்
ஆகுறது தான் இவரு வேலை."
"பாவம்பா"
"ஆனா இவரு ரொம்ப நல்லவரு.
எங்களுக்கு எந்த பிரச்னை வந்தாலும் இவரு கிட்ட போய் சொல்லலாம்."
"எல்லா பிரச்னையும் தீர்த்து வச்சிடுவார?"
"ஒரு பிரச்சனைய கூட தீர்க்க மாட்டாரு.
நாங்க என்ன சொன்னாலும் தலையாட்டிகிட்டே உன்னோட பிரச்னை
எனக்கு புரியுதுனு சொல்றது மட்டும் தான் இவரோட வேலை."
"நான் உன்னோட அம்மா கிட்ட பண்றத மாதிரி?!"
"இவருக்கு கீழ டெக் லீட், மோடுல் லீட், டெவலப்பர், டெஸ்டர்னு
நிறைய அடி பொடிங்க இருப்பாங்க."
"இத்தனை பேரு இருந்து, எல்லாரும் ஒழுங்கா வேலை செஞ்சா
வேலை ஈஸியா முடிஞ்சிடுமே?"
"வேலை செஞ்சா தானே?
நான் கடைசியா சொன்னேன் பாருங்க...
டெவலப்பர், டெஸ்டர்னு, அவங்க மட்டும் தான் எல்லா வேலையும் செய்வாங்க. அதுலையும் இந்த டெவலப்பர்,வேலைக்கு சேரும் போதே "இந்த குடும்பத்தோட மானம், மரியாதை உன்கிட்ட தான் இருக்குனு"

சொல்லி, நெத்தில திருநீறு பூசி அனுப்பி வச்ச என்னைய மாதிரி
தமிழ் பசங்க தான் அதிகம் இருப்பாங்க."
"அந்த டெஸ்டர்னு எதோ சொன்னியே?
அவங்களுக்கு என்னப்பா வேலை?"
"இந்த டெவலப்பர் பண்ற வேலைல குறை கண்டு பிடிக்கறது
இவனோட வேலை.
]புடிக்காத மருமக கை பட்டா குத்தம்,
கால் பட்டா குத்தம் இங்குறது மாதிரி."
"ஒருத்தன் பண்ற வேலைல குறை கண்டு பிடிகுறதுக்கு சம்பளமா?
புதுசா தான் இருக்கு. சரி இவங்களாவது வேலை செய்யுராங்களா.
சொன்ன தேதிக்கு வேலைய முடிச்சு கொடுத்துடுவீங்கள்ள?"
"அது எப்படி..? சொன்ன தேதிக்கு ப்ராஜக்டை முடிச்சி கொடுத்தா,
அந்தக் குற்ற உணர்ச்சி எங்க வாழ்கை முழுவதும் உறுத்திக்கிட்டு
இருக்கும். நிறைய பேரு அந்த அவமானத்துக்கு பதிலா தற்கொலை
செய்துக்கலாம்னு சொல்லுவாங்க"
"கிளையன்ட் சும்மாவா விடுவான்? ஏன் லேட்னு கேள்வி கேக்க மாட்டான்?"
"கேக்கத்தான் செய்வான். இது வரைக்கும் டிமுக்குள்ளையே
காலை வாரி விட்டுக்கிட்டு இருந்த நாங்க எல்லாரும் சேர்ந்து அவன் காலை வார ஆரம்பிப்போம்."
"எப்படி?"
"நீ கொடுத்த கம்ப்யூட்டர்-ல ஒரே தூசியா இருந்துச்சு.
அன்னைக்கு டீம் மீட்டிங்ல வச்சி நீ இருமின,
உன்னோட ஹேர் ஸ்டைல் எனக்கு புடிகலை."
இப்படி எதாவது சொல்லி அவன குழப்புவோம்.
அவனும் சரி சனியன எடுத்து தோள்ல போட்டாச்சு,
இன்னும் கொஞ்ச நாள் தூங்கிட்டு போகட்டும்னு விட்டுருவான்".
"சரி முன்ன பின்ன ஆனாலும் முடிச்சி கொடுத்துட்டு கைய
கழுவிட்டு வந்துடுவீங்க அப்படித்தான?"
"அப்படி பண்ணினா, நம்ம நாட்டுல பாதி பேரு வேலை இல்லாம
தான் இருக்கணும்."
"அப்புறம்?"
"ப்ராஜக்டை முடிய போற சமயத்துல நாங்க எதோ பயங்கரமான
ஒன்ன பண்ணி இருக்குறமாதிரியும், அவனால அத புரிஞ்சிக்க
கூட முடியாதுங்கற மாதிரியும் நடிக்க ஆரம்பிப்போம்."
"அப்புறம்?"
"அவனே பயந்து போய்,
"எங்கள தனியா விட்டுடாதீங்க. உங்க டீம்-ல ஒரு ஒன்னு, ரெண்டு
பேர உங்க ப்ரொஜெக்ட பார்த்துக்க சொல்லுங்கன்னு"
புது பொண்ணு மாதிரி புலம்ப ஆரம்பிச்சிடுவாங்க."
இதுக்கு பேரு "Maintenance and Support".
இந்த வேலை வருஷ கணக்கா போகும்.
"ப்ராஜக்ட் அப்படிங்கறது ஒரு பொண்ண கல்யாணம் பண்ணி வீட்டுக்கு
கூட்டிட்டு வர்றது மாதிரி.
தாலி கட்டினா மட்டும் போதாது, வருஷ கணக்கா நிறைய செலவு செஞ்சு பராமரிக்க வேண்டிய விசயம்னு" இப்போ தான் கிளைன்டுக்கு
புரிய ஆரம்பிக்கும்.
:banana:

Subra

November 22nd, 2009, 09:48 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/A-stint-in-TN-jail-helps-prisoners-put-on-weight/articleshow/5258857.cms

CHENNAI: Steaming hot upma or pongal, sambhar rice with vegetables, boiled peanuts, dal with ghee and roasted chicken. This is not the menu card of a south Indian restaurant, but food served to inmates of various prisons in Tamil Nadu. :lol:

No wonder, a jail stint in the state leaves prisoners with an expanded waistline or even a pot-belly, contrary to the general perception that jailbirds look haggard or emaciated.

Nearly 90% of prisoners in the state who were freed during 2007-08 have gone home with increased weight, according to the latest data released by the Department of Statistics and Economics. Interestingly, not even a single prisoner lost weight during his/her stay in jail, going by the details given.

Of the 4,796 prisoners released, 4,231 people, including 241 women, had gained weight varying from 1 kg to 3 kg, while there was no change in the weight of the rest. Of the prisoners released during 2006-07, 115 had gained over 5 kg, the statistics revealed.

“What the prisoners in TN get is a balanced diet of the sort they may not get outside,’’ said V Kannadasan, special public prosecutor for the Human Rights Court. “They are served bed-time tea at 6 am, followed by upma or pongal or gruel for breakfast. At noon, they are served 650 gm of rice with sambhar, butter milk and vegetables, which is followed by boiled peanuts in the evening. Dinner consists of 550 gm of rice with sambhar. For those advised a wheat diet by doctors, chappatis and dal are served,’’ he added.

Sundays are special as the prisoners are served 150 gm of chicken. While those in ‘A’ class cells get to relish the non-vegetarian dish thrice a week, vegetarians are served dal with ghee.

Should the bulging waistline of prisoners be attributed to nutritious food or lack of physical activity? “We ensure that their diet has a proper mix of nutrition to meet calorific requirements. To improve the quality of commodities, we’ve dispensed with the contract system and started procuring food items from the public distribution system,’’ said R Natraj, DGP (fire and rescue services).

However, some activists disagree with the official theory, saying that the “obesity’’ of prisoners was due to a lack of physical activity. “The weight gain among prisoners does not indicate that they are being given nutritious food. People above 40 years are generally prone to gaining weight and hence it cannot be taken as an indicator of their well-being,’’ said lawyer-activist Sudha Ramalingam.

P Pugazhenthi, director, Prisoners Rights Forum, said unlike earlier times, prisoners were not being given physical work, which not only kept them fit but also fetched them remuneration.

stalward

November 23rd, 2009, 04:48 PM

Somebody help me how many Indian warships have been named under great chola Kings who were Great Naval warriors.Our younger generations then even think it is myth that golden Era Tamils existed under chola rule.It should be some were impergenated in our daily life.I like to quote Germans as an example they believed they were the best that why lot of inventions made during the hitlers rule than any other time.We have to be proud of the past as well as present not the horrible slavery under the Britishraj which plundered our natural wealth as well as our cultural heritage.
:)

Arasu

November 23rd, 2009, 09:03 PM

^^ The decisions are not made by Tamils concerning the Indian Navy or anything important in our country. There may be scientists, administrators, business leaders but when it comes to political power Tamils are far removed from it. You are not going to hear about the greatness of Cholas from the government of India. Even the information that Cholas were a great naval power, in fact the first great naval power in the world, you would have come across from sources in the internet but definitely not from any government text books or any other government related sources. Sorry my friend. :ohno:

Marathaman

November 23rd, 2009, 09:05 PM

:sly: Maybe DMK should demand HRD ministry next time.

Bless

November 24th, 2009, 04:07 AM

:sly: Maybe DMK should demand HRD ministry next time.

I doubt they will. if they do both DMK & AIADMK might demand in the name of 'Anna'

Brand coimbatore

November 24th, 2009, 09:08 AM

Yes exactly, the Govt of india itself sees Tamils as distant relative of the country...Someone from tn should head d country to bring fame for our cholas n tamilian glorious past

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 09:11 AM

Yes exactly, the Govt of india itself sees Tamils as distant relative of the country...Someone from tn should head d country to bring fame for our cholas n tamilian glorious past

LOL not really. I wonder why you get that impression. Perhaps because the BJP and other Hindu nationalists don't highlight Tamil history?

stalward

November 24th, 2009, 06:26 PM

LOL not really. I wonder why you get that impression. Perhaps because the BJP and other Hindu nationalists don't highlight Tamil history?

yes Maratha man you were right indeed ..BJP doesn't care much about the Tamil kings though they were saivites..they were interested in the hardcore north Indian politics..if they want to come to power again they have to give the confidence they have instilled in people of karnataka..as the same to TN..it will be little complicated since dravidian parties will be playing the language card or Aryan card,..but it will be justifiable as the ROI (return on investment) will be huge...

Arasu

November 24th, 2009, 09:27 PM

LOL not really. I wonder why you get that impression. Perhaps because the BJP and other Hindu nationalists don't highlight Tamil history?

I studied Indian History as part of my school curriculum. Every year it was about Ashoka, Mauryas, Guptas, Kushanas, Kanishka, Harsha Vardhana, Gandhara, Taxila, Pataliputra, Panipat, Akbhar, Humayun, Aurangazeb (Mughals), Rajputs, some Marathas, Shivaji, Peshwas so on and so forth. One is happy to read all these stuff and learn. Each year, I was also looking forward to finding out what went on in the southern parts of India, and particularly Tamilnadu. I was disappointed to say the least. You would be surprised if you came across a page or two of South Indian history.

Same with the independence movement. Leaders from TN such as Subramania Bharathi, VO Chidambaram, Vanchinathan, Vellore mutiny are buried.

Same after independence. Second grade citizenship and treatment to Tamil speaking people. You can't speak the language in parliament; you can't aspire to become the PM of the country because you don't speak Hindi; either adopt Hindi or else (1965/66) get ridiculed or get killed.

The only consolation seems to be the situation is not as bad as it was/is in Srilanka. The only reason for that also is not the maganimity of the Indian state but the geographical and emotional unity among the Tamils.

I am not saying Tamils are the only ones suffering this fate. One can propound a mathematical formula for measuring this phenomenon. "The degree of demoralization is directly proportional to the distance between Delhi and the deprived state."

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 09:31 PM

^I remember extensive stuff about Cholas, Cheras, Pandyas, Rashtrakutas, Sangam literature etc. etc. :sly:

Not too sure about Independence struggle.

Regarding Tamil, I don't think you can speak Marathi, Oriya or Punjabi in Parliament either. Infact Tamils get the two language policy because they refused to adopt Hindi, so I'd argue that TN gets better treatment than say, Maharashtra.

Oh, and Deve Gowda was Prime Minister. He didn't speak a word of Hindi, did he?

In any case, there's a reason why education is on the concurrent list. The states can have their own curriculum if they want, and I'm pretty sure that the state education board of Tamil Nadu does a wonderful job of glorifying Tamil history.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 09:40 PM

I am not saying Tamils are the only ones suffering this fate. One can arrive at a mathematical formula for this phenomenon. "The degree of deprivation is directly proportional to the distance between Delhi and the concerned state."

Really? Is that why Kerala is among the best administered states in India, and Uttar Pradesh the worst? I'd argue the opposite - proximity to Delhi is directly proportional to the deprivation of the state.

P.S. But then this is a useless argument, because proximity to Delhi has nothing to do with how well a state is treated.

Arasu

November 24th, 2009, 09:50 PM

^I remember extensive stuff about Cholas, Cheras, Pandyas, Rashtrakutas, Sangam literature etc. etc. :sly:

Not too sure about Independence struggle.

We probably had different curriculum. Also, things might have changed.

^Regarding Tamil, I don't think you can speak Marathi, Oriya or Punjabi in Parliament either. Infact Tamils get the two language policy because they refused to adopt Hindi, so I'd argue that TN gets better treatment than say, Maharashtra.

I don't think it is a consolation to know others are also deprived just like me and hence I should be fine.

^Oh, and Deve Gowda was Prime Minister. He didn't speak a word of Hindi, did he?

Deve Gowda came to be PM under a peculiar situation. He was forced to learn Hindi by appointing a tutor and delivering a speech in Hindi from the Red Fort, thus affirming that he was fit candidate to be PM.

Arasu

November 24th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Really? Is that why Kerala is among the best administered states in India, and Uttar Pradesh the worst? I'd argue the opposite - proximity to Delhi is directly proportional to the deprivation of the state.

P.S. But then this is a useless argument, because proximity to Delhi has nothing to do with how well a state is treated.

How the state is administered is much different from how the state is treated. TN is also a well administered state. Administration depends on the local government and local bureaucrats whereas treatment is meted out by the central government. TN state governments were the most ill-treated by the central government. Successive state governments were summarily dismissed by the Centre soon after election victory. Ever since the regional parties came to power in TN and till recently, central investments and assistance trickled down to zero leading to a situation analogus to the Britishers treating India and transfering taxes from her to their country.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 09:59 PM

We probably had different curriculum. Also, things might have changed.

Or perhaps you like everyone else attached extra importance to the history of his/her state, and is thus disappointed?

But as I said, you have your state education board, don't you?

I don't think it is a consolation to know others are also deprived just like me and hence I should be fine.

Its not about deprivation, but its a matter of convenience.

Infact, I think that any language is allowed in Parliament as long as a translator is provided for. In a recent case there was some procedural problem (I think only MPs were allowed a translator, not Ministers or something of the sort)

Deve Gowda came to be PM under a peculiar situation. He was forced to learn Hindi by appointing a tutor and delivering a speech in Hindi from the Red Fort, thus affirming that he was fit candidate to be PM.

The fact is that he did become the Prime Minister.

No, he didn't learn Hindi, he read his speech in Kannada script, but the words were Hindi. I think that's a fair compromise, don't you? Since you are the Prime Minister of the country, you should try and speak in the language understood by the maximum number of people. After all, you are representing the whole country, not just your state.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 10:00 PM

How the state is administered is much different from how the state is treated. TN is also a well administered state. Administration depends on the local government and local bureaucrats whereas treatment is meted out by the central government. TN state governments were the most ill-treated by the central government. Successive state governments were summarily dismissed by the Centre soon after election victory. Ever since the regional parties came to power in TN and till recently, central investments and assistance trickled down to zero leading to a situation analogus to the Britishers treating India and transfering taxes from her to their country.

Erm....I have no way of verifying any of your accusations.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 10:09 PM

I mean seriously. In the current cabinet, you have no less than 5 ministers from TN including the Home Minister. That's more than my state, but frankly I don't care. I have full faith in the capabilities of Chidambaram and a number of the other ministers even if none of them are from my state.

Oh and guess what? There's NOT A SINGLE cabinet minister from the most populous state - Uttar Pradesh.

Arasu

November 24th, 2009, 10:12 PM

Or perhaps you like everyone else attached extra importance to the history of his/her state, and is thus disappointed?

But as I said, you have your state education board, don't you?

You can take a book on Indian History and can comment on what you see there.

Its not about deprivation, but its a matter of convenience.

Infact, I think that any language is allowed in Parliament as long as a translator is provided for. In a recent case there was some procedural problem (I think only MPs were allowed a translator, not Ministers or something of the sort)

In a democracy, convenience can not be said to be a reason to slence representatives of 70 million people.

The fact is that he did become the Prime Minister.

No, he didn't learn Hindi, he read his speech in Kannada script, but the words were Hindi. I think that's a fair compromise, don't you? Since you are the Prime Minister of the country, you should try and speak in the language understood by the maximum number of people. After all, you are representing the whole country, not just your state.

We cannot consider exceptional situations as the rule. The question is 'Are the representatives MPs going to consider for the PM someone who doesn't know Hindi?" . If not, it is a major handicap for someone who can represent millions of people to be disqualified on the basis of lack of knowledge of Hindi. Remember, English is also an official language of the union. It is conveniently forgotten and only Hindi is considered as the qualification.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 10:20 PM

You can take a book on Indian History and can comment on what you see there.

Look, IMHO the Indian textbooks are quite fair. Granted that they pay more attention to the larger empires like the Guptas/Mauryas/Mughals etc in the interest of national unity, but frankly there's nothing wrong with that.

In a democracy, convenience can not be said to be a reason to slence representatives of 70 million people.

Oh please, this is ridiculous. You sound like one of those cheap politicians. Nobody is silencing anybody ffs. If you guys want, get the procedure changed.

We cannot consider exceptional situations as the rule. The question is 'Are the representatives MPs going to consider for the PM someone who doesn't know Hindi?" . If not, it is a major handicap for someone who can represent millions of people to be disqualified on the basis of lack of knowledge of Hindi. Remember, English is also an official language of the union. It is conveniently forgotten and only Hindi is considered as the qualification.

I'm sure if any non-Hindi speaking MP manages to win popular support all over India, nothing will stop him/her from becoming the Prime Minister.

Frankly, I think you are putting the priorities of your own state above the greater interests of the country.

Arasu

November 24th, 2009, 10:34 PM

Look, IMHO the Indian textbooks are quite fair. Granted that they pay more attention to the larger empires like the Guptas/Mauryas/Mughals etc in the interest of national unity, but frankly there's nothing wrong with that.

Nothing can be more ridiculous than this. Attaching national unity only to the larger empires and implying that smaller empires are somehow against the national unity. This argument can also lead to BJP/RSS like philosophy that you have to be a Hindu/ Hindi speaking to be a true Indian - because they are the majority religion and language repectively.

Oh please, this is ridiculous. You sound like one of those cheap politicians. Nobody is silencing anybody ffs. If you guys want, get the procedure changed.

To you it may be ridiculous. To me it is important that no one is denied any rights because he hails from a minority group either by religion, language, geographical or by any other criteria. Everybody should get equal opportunity. Otherwise, it would not be democracy but a tyranny of the majority.

I'm sure if any non-Hindi speaking MP manages to win popular support all over India, nothing will stop him/her from becoming the Prime Minister.

Frankly, I think you are putting the priorities of your own state above the greater interests of the country.

I may have given examples from my state but I am expressing this opinion on behalf of all states and citizens of this country including the forgotten NE states and its peoples.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 10:42 PM

Nothing can be more ridiculous than this. Attaching national unity only to the larger empires and implying that smaller empires are somehow against the national unity. This argument can also lead to BJP/RSS like philosophy that you have to be a Hindu/ Hindi speaking to be a true Indian - because they are the majority religion and language repectively.

You're grossly exaggerating and misrepresenting the whole thing. Nobody is suggesting that "smaller empires are against national unity".

But seriously, if you are so concerned about the lack of Tamil history, why don't you let your views known to NCERT or whoever is responsible for writing the textbooks?

To you it may be ridiculous. To me it is important that no one is denied any rights because he hails from a minority group either by religion, language, geographical or by any other criteria. Everybody should get equal opportunity. Otherwise, it would not be democracy but a tyranny of the majority.

Do you realize how many minority groups we have in India? We have tens of thousands of microscopic minorities. If everyone starts demanding their holy rights, we will never see an ounce of progress in this country.

Its really amusing to me how easily people are ready to learn English, a foreign tongue, while rejecting an Indian language so completely. Perhaps if Hindi was the language of business (i.e. Money), people wouldn't be complaining so much.

I may have given examples from my state but I am expressing this opinion on behalf of all states and citizens of this country including the forgotten NE states and its peoples.

Ah, I see. Frankly, I think you are being idealistic to the extent of being pedantic. The world isn't black and white, and everyone has to make compromises in the larger interests of peace, stability and long-term prosperity of the country.

Marathaman

November 24th, 2009, 10:58 PM

Strange world. Just last week I was arguing against a North Indian MP who refused to speak Marathi in the Maharashtra assembly, and ended up defending those MNS goons.

Atleast the DMK has some intellectuals in their party. Be thankful.

gnams

November 24th, 2009, 11:52 PM

To Marathaman!

It is not about minorities getting the holy rights.
It is about how the majorities treating the minorities.

It is not the feeling of hatredness.
It is the feeling of being cheated.

Do you think Manmohan singh had a poular support when he became PM?
Do you think Lal Bahadur sashtri, indira gandhi, Rajiv all had popular support when they became PM?
Only Nehru had got actual popular support, by this i mean the support of common man.
Everyone else was forced upon the common man just because they are sons/daughters of gandhi family
or had the support of gandhi family.

How it is concluded that Gandhi family represents India ?
and How u can argue that there should be sacrifices from minorities in the greater interest of country.

We Tamilians just have the feeling of being cheated though being part of biggest democracy.
Again,it is not feeling of hatredness or against the country.

In every nook and corner of TN schools, we still enact dramas of Ashoka, chandra gupta mourya
and chanakya?
Can u tell me how many of those in north do the same for Raja raja chola, rajendra chola, pallavas? or atleast
do they know the name of Raja raja chola?

So, you are telling Tamil empires or the south empires are smaller and so they are discarded??
good joke!!

If we have to learn the history of north and learn unity from that, why our north indian brothers arent
prepared for that?

how many of them know where is chennai? If they can know abt sanskrit, why cant they know abt Tamil?
After all these are the two true classical languages of india!!

If you start treating everyone as minority, india will not be there definitely.
Marathas arent minority. they are the majority in maharashtra.
kannadigas arent minority. they are the majority in karnataka.
telugus arent minority. they are the majority in andhra.
finally tamils arent minority. they are the majority in TN.
this is how India is made up of.

Yes. of course, if hindi is made the language of business ie.. money, everyone will learn. tamilians will
learn it fast too, just coz they are the ones who started trade with foriegn countries even before there was a concept called india
or bharath.
but for the same, if you tell, to become a central govt servant or after becoming a central govt servant, one should learn
hindi, then only u can do business means,its most unwelcome.
or u shud learn hindi just to communicate to majority of people, is the most dumb statement ever made.

do u think all talks of all MPs in parliament is communicated to all people in nook and corner of the country in hindi?
no, not at all. they just know that by reading the local newspaper or in local language.
again either most of the common man dont care what that MPs are talking or most of MPs do not care whether it is communicated
to all people.

first of all why Hindi should be made the language of money.
there were better understanding, trade, business among all differnt people, say
kannadigas, marathis, tamils, bengalis, telugus etc etc even before Hindi existed.
How they did business before Hindi??

Yes. People are ready to learn English coz they can survive with it anywhere in the world.
and they are ready to learn Hindi too if they are coming out of their state.
Atleast Tamilians do that definitely.
But, why a common man should learn Hindi within his state if at all he is not moving out of even his village??

By learning hindi or learning to live with Hindi or by doing business in hindi what one has achieved?
What mumbai and bangalore acheived? local people there definitely got cheated. Got cheated by not the outsiders, but
by their own govts and their own indifference to their mother tongue.
and to point out, mumbai and bangalore became global cities not by hindi, but by english.
If so,whats the wrong in learning English.
Just by spreading hindi, we have spread hatredness among locals towards outsiders.thats it.

It is not hindi, which brought prosperousnes to India.
It is not majority, which brought fame to india.

It is still a pity that even though 90% of PMs were from Hindiland, ie..UP, the fate of UP is still not good.
That has been referred as U in BIMARU.
lets say, if they were able to communicate freely, communicate properly with their own people in UP, UP would have been
the best state in India. why they were not even though they know Hindi?

At last,
A Kamaraj from TN could have done much much better things to UP than a shastri/indira/rajiv/vp singh from UP.

And as you said, as per hindian version, he didnt know hindi to become PM of hindia!!

Sorry for the long post... i was a mute spectator of skyscrapercity from 2005, but nomore from now onwards!

Marathaman

November 25th, 2009, 12:04 AM

gnams

November 25th, 2009, 12:10 AM

Yup. thats the point. when the language side of the brain functions, u have the feeling of being cheated and when the national side of brain functions, u have the feeling of being patriotic, ie being proud of indian and everyone tries to control the language part of brain.
one side u have the feeling of being cheated. another side u have the feeling of patriotism. Thats how indian democracy works.

Marathaman

November 25th, 2009, 12:11 AM

^Maybe that's the price we pay for unity and peace.

Anyways, what solutions are you suggesting then?

gnams

November 25th, 2009, 12:24 AM

you just misinterpreted my point abt UP. i was just wondering abt the fate of UP. nobody hates UP. As an indian, nobody will not let UP DOWN. i just said rather than language, it shud be the strong will to do something good for the people which shud be taken into account. just to point out, Rajiv was the most loved leader in TN and Rajiv had a special place for TN in his heart. everyone knows this though there were some unwanted things happened.

Marathaman

November 25th, 2009, 12:26 AM

^Sorry, I didn't mean hatred in a bad way :lol:. By 'hatred' I meant that we all love to criticize UP, with good cause of course.

gnams

November 25th, 2009, 12:28 AM

you yourself told the suggestion!!
thats the price we/everyone should pay for unity and peace!
but at the same time , one should not keep on cheating the people just coz they are ready to pay the price. that is just immoral rite!?
at least, hereafter they should start focussing on developing regional languages and awareness about all the regions of india among all the people of india.
not even a kid will be ready to play with another kid if that kid is not preferring to play with him or just ignoring him always.

Marathaman

November 25th, 2009, 12:34 AM

^Look, to be honest, I don't see the possibility of people in, say, Mathura, speaking Kannada, Gujarati or Tamil in the near future. Its not going to happen unless someone forces them to do it.
But what can be done is that more awareness can be spread among North Indians about the rest of the country. I feel that they have a certain superiority complex that is without much merit or basis, which can only be corrected through education.

Today a lot of the economic power is concentrated in the South. That itself has reversed a lot of the prejudiced/ignorant attitude that was present earlier among North Indians.

gnams

November 25th, 2009, 12:46 AM

that is what our argument also.
again for just argument purpose, it is only we (south indians - i just include marathis also here.. coz i dont think they are north indians) who had done the job of erasing the bad attitude of northies (atleast to some extent as u said) towards us by developing ourselves and neither the govt of india nor the northies had put any effort towards this.
understood ?

Arul Murugan

November 25th, 2009, 02:35 AM

I studied Indian History as part of my school curriculum. Every year it was about Ashoka, Mauryas, Guptas, Kushanas, Kanishka, Harsha Vardhana, Gandhara, Taxila, Pataliputra, Panipat, Akbhar, Humayun, Aurangazeb (Mughals), Rajputs, some Marathas, Shivaji, Peshwas so on and so forth. One is happy to read all these stuff and learn. Each year, I was also looking forward to finding out what went on in the southern parts of India, and particularly Tamilnadu. I was disappointed to say the least. You would be surprised if you came across a page or two of South Indian history.

Same with the independence movement. Leaders from TN such as Subramania Bharathi, VO Chidambaram, Vanchinathan, Vellore mutiny are buried.

Same after independence. Second grade citizenship and treatment to Tamil speaking people. You can't speak the language in parliament; you can't aspire to become the PM of the country because you don't speak Hindi; either adopt Hindi or else (1965/66) get ridiculed or get killed.

The only consolation seems to be the situation is not as bad as it was/is in Srilanka. The only reason for that also is not the maganimity of the Indian state but the geographical and emotional unity among the Tamils.

I am not saying Tamils are the only ones suffering this fate. One can propound a mathematical formula for measuring this phenomenon. "The degree of demoralization is directly proportional to the distance between Delhi and the deprived state."

Just leave alone the center. What state gvt has done in glorifying the Tamil kings history? Even the TN gvt school books doesn't speak much about the history of Tamil land.

The state government having control on matriculation board, does not even interested in correcting their I or II std school books, they teach "HINDI" is the national language of India, the book were printed in CHENNAI.

When state gvt books or controlled marticulation schools itself could not teach the history or language concept of state/country, how the center will take interest on Tamil history.

Marathaman

November 25th, 2009, 01:31 PM

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Brand coimbatore

November 25th, 2009, 03:29 PM

Still the people of india are not clear about our national language policy, if I say hindi is not our only national language, my northie friends laugh at me and tag me a pakka tamil n who keeps state above the country.
To note: these so called northie friends stay in chennai for 2 plus yrs not giving a small effort to learn tamil.The attitude is let whole TN learn hindi to talk wid them.

This kind of mentality is there with almost evry hindi walla.I hear them saying curses to tamil, it being so harsh. Who has taught this intolerance towards a particular language to them??? that too in india??? Is this a fault with education system???

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 02:02 AM

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Arasu

November 26th, 2009, 04:19 AM

^^ Which article of the constitution of India stipulates so?

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 04:35 AM

Article 343(1)

Arasu

November 26th, 2009, 05:37 AM

Article 343(1)

That is the Official Language stuff. Through 343(2), English is also another official language. The purpose of the official language is official communication it doesn't expect all the citizens of India to start speaking in these languages.

jaish

November 26th, 2009, 05:49 AM

Article 343(1)

Hindi along with English is a official language only not a national language. This I am telling not to offend any one but to put the record strainght.

I feel this rightly set so to maintain to respect the diversity of India.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 05:59 AM

That is the Official Language stuff. Through 343(2), English is also another official language. The purpose of the official language is official communication it doesn't expect all the citizens of India to start speaking in these languages.

Sorry.That's what I meant. I thought 'national language' and 'official language' are interchangable.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 06:01 AM

About classical languages; (from wikipedia)

In 2004, the Government of India declared that languages that met certain requirements could be accorded the status of a "classical language" in India.[13] Languages thus far declared to be "classical" are Tamil (in 2004),[14] Sanskrit (in 2005),[15] Kannada (in 2008), and Telugu (in 2008).[16]

In 2005, Sanskrit, which already had special status in Article 351 of the Constitution of India as the primary source language for the development of the official language Hindi,[17] was also declared to be a classical language; this was followed by similar declarations for Kannada and Telugu in 2008, based on the recommendation of a committee of linguistic experts constituted by the Ministry of Culture, Government of India.[16]

In a 2006 press release, Minister of Tourism & Culture Ambika Soni told the Rajya Sabha the following criteria were laid down to determine the eligibility of languages to be considered for classification as a "classical Language",[18]

High antiquity of its early texts/recorded history over a period of 1500-2000 years; A body of ancient literature/texts, which is considered a valuable heritage by generations of speakers; The literary tradition be original and not borrowed from another speech community; The classical language and literature being distinct from modern, there may also be a discontinuity between the classical language and its later forms or its offshoots.

jaish

November 26th, 2009, 06:13 AM

Fantastic. Now each and every state feels cheated. You go to Punjab, they feel cheated. You go to Orissa, they feel cheated. You go to Bengal, they feel cheated. In Maharashtra, we feel cheated. Looks like we all have something in common after all.

Maybe we are all united by our hate towards Uttar Pradesh :lol:

Yes that is the fact, the ruling party at the center for the most years after india's independence does favour to states that traditionally elects them.

This has changed recently only after the coalition governments came into power. Your are seeing the results of this. With in a decade southern states GDP have increased manifold. Our stand that we have been cheated all along by delhi vindicated by simple fact what has happened in last decade of coalition government ruling.

Holding regional identity high never means that we are not true patrioatic citizen. This including the feeling that prevails now in maharastra.

If at all we have to a learn a new language, We will learn English so that we can communicate with world in this period of globalisation. We cant learn anything simply because it is born in India. Many language has earn its respect not to be thrusted upon by force.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 06:23 AM

Arasu

November 26th, 2009, 06:36 AM

Sorry.That's what I meant. I thought 'national language' and 'official language' are interchangable.

They are not. Official languages are for use as the language of the adminstration at the centre and for communication between the centre and the states. Even there, since English is also an official language at par with Hindi, I don't understand the hullabaloo about Hindi being the sole 'Rashtra Basha' which it is not.

Even when one twists and tweaks the language to misrepresent the facts, the fact is it can't be proved so whichever way you look at it.

For all practical purposes, the Schedule VIII lists the national languages of India.

jaish

November 26th, 2009, 06:37 AM

^I believe the increase in GDP has happened because of economic liberalization, not because of any perceived advantage of having coalition governments.

Also, as I explained, coastal states have a distinct advantage due to easy port access that land-locked states don't. This is a fact in each and every country. It will take time for the fruits of economic liberalization to reach the interiors of the country, but lets not develop a condescending attitude just because one develops quicker than other parts of the country.

I feel libealization has happened thro out india not only to southern india.
If the coastal areas only developing then bangalore, hyderabad would not have progressed.
Coastal states were there from the begining it was not created in the last decades. Why the central government earlier had not realised the potential of Coastal states.

What am i telling here central government has to allocate resources depending upon merits and demerits of state not based upon political advantage

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 06:47 AM

Let us examine what some other countries have done in terms of language:

Indonesia: They use Bahasa Indonesia, which is based on Malay, but heavily modified and uses the roman script. Otherwise, Indonesia has over 700 major and minor languages/dialects. However, this language is taught in schools all over the country.

Malaysia: They use a modernized version of Malay, written in Latin script.

China: Official/National language is Mandarin, which is compulsory at all levels of society and government.

Pakistan: Urdu is the national language.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 06:50 AM

I feel libealization has happened thro out india not only to southern india.
If the coastal areas only developing then bangalore, hyderabad would not have progressed.
Coastal states were there from the begining it was not created in the last decades. Why the central government earlier had not realised the potential of Coastal states.

What am i telling here central government has to allocate resources depending upon merits and demerits of state not based upon political advantage

Bangalore had an advantage because it already had a large talent pool. A lot of Scientific/Research institutions were located there during the early years because it is situated far away from both Pakistan and China. As a result, a lot of educated people from across the country had settled in that city.

Secondly, I think it is the less developed states that should be provided more resources. The consequence of neglecting underveloped areas of the country, I think we can all understand.

jaish

November 26th, 2009, 07:01 AM

^Agreed.

Let us examine what some other countries have done in terms of language:

Indonesia: They use Bahasa Indonesia, which is based on Malay, but heavily modified and uses the roman script. Otherwise, Indonesia has over 700 major and minor languages/dialects. However, this language is taught in schools all over the country.

Malaysia: They use a modernized version of Malay, written in Latin script.

China: Official language is Mandarin, which is compulsory at all levels of society and government.

Now they are putting more efforts in learning English. Even though they had better infrastructure they could not gain much during IT revolution as their english week.

This what we are telling As a indian we have to learn ones mother tongue and English to maintain our cutting edge. Please understand that India is different from any other country in this planet. To maintain this uniqueness we need to respect every culture/language in this country.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 07:03 AM

Now they are putting more efforts in learning English. Even though they had better infrastructure they could not gain much during IT revolution as their english week.

This what we are telling As a indian we have to learn ones mother tongue and English to maintain our cutting edge. Please understand that India is different from any other country in this planet. To maintain this uniqueness we need to respect every culture/language in this country.

I agree with you! Why are you arguing with me....

jaish

November 26th, 2009, 07:25 AM

Bangalore had an advantage because it already had a large talent pool. A lot of Scientific/Research institutions were located there during the early years because it is situated far away from both Pakistan and China. As a result, a lot of educated people from across the country had settled in that city.

Secondly, I think it is the less developed states that should be provided more resources. The consequence of neglecting underveloped areas of the country, I think we can all understand.

This what i am telling please plan your development on the basis of merit in the long term interest with out any bias.

Your second point should not happen at the cost of high performering states.

For example there was a proposal to reduce of MP seats in tamil nadu as we have followed the dictum of central governement in controlling the population.

jaish

November 26th, 2009, 07:28 AM

Sorry i am not arguing with you i am just conveying my thoughts.

Arasu

November 26th, 2009, 08:26 AM

I don't know what was the criteria for selecting these 4 countries out of almost 200.

Let us examine what some other countries have done in terms of language:

Indonesia: They use Bahasa Indonesia, which is based on Malay, but heavily modified and uses the roman script. Otherwise, Indonesia has over 700 major and minor languages/dialects. However, this language is taught in schools all over the country.

Even though Bahasa Indonesia is not the mother tongue for the majority of the population, almost all speak the language to varying levels of proficiency. What is the status in our country?

Malaysia: They use a modernized version of Malay, written in Latin script.

Besides Malay, even Chinese and Tamil are the national languages of this nation. Even though, Tamil speakers contitute less than 10% of the population, and Tamils are of a foreign origin, why did this country choose to designate Tamil as a national language?

China: Official/National language is Mandarin, which is compulsory at all levels of society and government.

Almost all know Mandarin and about 90% of the population is Mandarin speakers. The situation is not at all comparable to India.

Pakistan: Urdu is the national language.

Don't tell me about Pakistan. We know about what happened as a result of having Urdu as the national language of this country - division of the country and birth of Bangladesh.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 09:35 AM

I don't know what was the criteria for selecting these 4 countries out of almost 200..

Large and/or ethnically diverse countries.

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Even though Bahasa Indonesia is not the mother tongue for the majority of the population, almost all speak the language to varying levels of proficiency. What is the status in our country?.

That's because of the state policy to teach the Bahasa in all schools. If we had adopted the same policy, most Indians would have been speaking Hindi today.
I'm not arguing for imposition of Hindi, just pointing out the facts.

Besides Malay, even Chinese and Tamil are the national languages of this nation. Even though, Tamil speakers contitute less than 10% of the population, and Tamils are of a foreign origin, why did this country choose to designate Tamil as a national language?

Yes, but Malay is taught in schools throughout the country. Indian/Chinese parents have the option of sending their kids to a vernacular school however.

Almost all know Mandarin and about 90% of the population is Mandarin speakers. The situation is not at all comparable to India.

That has only been achieved by a history of uniformization by the state. Dialects were discouraged and the grammar/language was standardized.

In any case, there are significant minorities which don't speak Mandarin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Map_of_sinitic_languages-en.svg/250px-Map_of_sinitic_languages-en.svg.png

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Don't tell me about Pakistan. We know about what happened as a result of having Urdu as the national language of this country - division of the country and birth of Bangladesh.

True, but the other provinces have accepted Urdu - although this may be due to the fact that Urdu itself is a "foreign" language to Pakistan since Pakistan has very few native Urdu speakers (mostly migrants from India)

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 09:38 AM

This what i am telling please plan your development on the basis of merit in the long term interest with out any bias.

Your second point should not happen at the cost of high performering states.

For example there was a proposal to reduce of MP seats in tamil nadu as we have followed the dictum of central governement in controlling the population.

If its any state that should be complaining, its Maharashtra. We produce a fifth of India's GDP, yet precious little gets back to the state. :lol:

But the fact is that the richer states have to support poorer states. Uneven development will lead to violence and eventually it will affect even the affluent parts of the country.

Bless

November 26th, 2009, 10:06 AM

If its any state that should be complaining, its Maharashtra. We produce a fifth of India's GDP, yet precious little gets back to the state. :lol:

But the fact is that the richer states have to support poorer states. Uneven development will lead to violence and eventually it will affect even the affluent parts of the country.

Interesting
Point 1: (As an observation) Latest ET (not daily) magazine lists the wealthy 500 companies in India, Al most 70% of them are head quartered in Mumbai/Delhi-NCR. Though they have branches in various states, Did the wealth reflect only to the place of office of head quarters? (there were only very few Software companies)

Point 2: (As a question) if Maha is producing 20% of India's GDP, Doesn't it mean that Diversification didn't happen during past?

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 10:13 AM

Interesting
Point 1: (As an observation) Latest ET (not daily) magazine lists the wealthy 500 companies in India, Al most 70% of them are head quartered in Mumbai/Delhi-NCR. Though they have branches in various states, Did the wealth reflect only to the place of office of head quarters? (there were only very few Software companies)

Point 2: (As a question) if Maha is producing 20% of India's GDP, Doesn't it mean that Diversification didn't happen during past?

Well its closer to 15% actually. I don't know how they measure that.

IMHO it all boils down to talent. Mumbai attracted enterprising people from all across the country - TN, Karnataka, Rajasthan, Gujarat, UP, Bihar etc. so that has helped the city to grow.
Of course, this has come at the cost of the local language being spoken in Mumbai, but its worth the price.

Marathaman

November 26th, 2009, 10:27 AM

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kannan infratech

November 26th, 2009, 11:32 AM

Sorry to stir the pot more.

The education system in India was modified drastically by the British (mecaulay) so that the system spoon feeds and orient the people along the direction which they want.

They have not only succeded but the grip is still on.

NCERT as well as the state boards (I must admit that I am more familiar with South and West and not North & East) have been controlled by vested interests with lot of filtration taking place. I see a major bias towards Left orientation.

Especially Tamil is one language which is least affected by Sanskrit among the South indian languages (Except Pallavas who were encouraging Sanskrit). The ancient Tamils were travelling to South East Asia by ships much before Columbus discovered America.
So there is a natural pride among Tamils.

The British exploited these kind of sentiments - Aryan Dravidian Divide - and the Justice Party in the erstwhile Madras Peresidency was indirecly used by them to divide the masses. Jsutice Party supported the British and opposed the Independence. Most of the Dravidian parties in TN are off shoots of this.

Congress with the nationalistic approach eyed these parties with suspicion. Since DMK et all were started on the plank of Dividing the nation (Dravida Nadu liberating from India), the other parts of India consider South parties as trouble mongers.

DMK's Anna withdrew this demand later after he realised that it was wrong. He became the CM of TN and regretted some of his earlier decisions. But the fire had caught on by then.

Both CBSE and Matric syllabi ignored the freedom fighters of the South and the kingdoms of the South. Tamils being taught / forced to think high of others and low on self were looking for some issue to redeem the self esteem.

DMK exploited these sentiments with more emphasis on language. They used the then popular medium of Cinema to the hilt. A whole new generation of Tamils were fed with opinions like Tamil is in danger and South is not progressing in comparison to the North.

The famous Anti Hindi Agitation started. The Congress Statesmen (even including some from TN) acted foolishly. Instead of solving this emotional issue, they exploited this to gain more in other areas. The hatred towards North got established further.

Though the economic development of late 80s and 90s did a lot to undo the earlier damage done, the issue is still alive.

Probably the IT revolution during this decade did achieve a miracle and the South Indians got their pride back in place.

But the Dravidian parties instead of reforming the school syllabii correctly, took a biased stand - eulogising their leaders and their philosophies rather than the past pride of Tamils - about Chera Chola Pandia Pallava Kingdoms.

There are almost 2 generations in TN now who were deprived of the chance of Learning Hindi or the glorious history of the state.

Only the economic improvement can undo this damage. WIih internet providing more information, people are free to learn more about history and the views of the other sides also.

Probably Non Tamils may find this injured Prode of Tamils a little hard to believe but that is a fact.