Muralee,
If you see future is more important and ignore the present, India could have forgiven Prabakaran and negotiated a stand with him and worked with him but India did not want to forgive prabakaran for killing 1 leader , In the name of eliminating prabakaran they gave SL tamils thier right to liove,

while they expect everyone to move on for killing 40000 innocent tamilians and look at the future?

Congress killed thousands of Sikhs and moved on

What about SL govt, atleast LTTE is a terrorist organization that kills innocents what do u call when a govt does the same terrorist country? INDIA will be called terrorist country for our acts in Kashmir/Manipur/Maoist region.

I am saying, ur assumption that India is not supporting the cause of tamil people is wrong.

They may not be doing in your way but that doesn't mean they are not doing at all.

India has said that devolution of powers to SL Tamils must happen soon. Economic development of tamil people should happen and has invested 1000 crores and more for that.

if it is supporting their cause then why are they opposed to US's resolution. There are well documented evidence for the war crimes committed by SL and why India is not acting on that. Besides that a SL minister is giving an open speech that India has given its nod to oppose the resolution. Moreover, taking into account of the no of tamil fishermen killed over the past 20 years and the subsequent actions taken by our Indian govt, do you think that still the govt supports tamils?

We must raise our voice against SL..
We also demands the same. Show that by supporting u.s resolution.
for that only we are discussing(?) for the last few pages..
ithai munnaidya solli irukkalam..Tamil movie police mathiri last-le solreenga :lol::lol:
appada.. after 5-6 page, othukittaru...

because "kathi" koduthu kolai pannittu vara sonnathu namma cong aluga..:lol::lol:

We may have to look at this in a different way. The following has happened.

[1] Sinhalese people blatantly & wrongly discriminated against SL Tamils and allowed unjustified killing of SL Tamils, a minority group in the SL.

[2] India under IG & MGR setup & feed certain Tamil snakes to 'teach' the Sinhalese certain lessons. India stupidly & naively thought it could create a new nation with in SL and IG/MGR must have taken inspiration from the creation of the Bangladesh. All this when India itself was still a weak entity in the global comity of nations.

Certain posters here who are saying the present UPA govt. is responsible for the killing of innocent SL Tamils in the last Ealam war, have to express their 'gratitude' & cheer for this act of Congress ruled India done in 1980s.

[3] In addition to having struck Sinhalese many times but never ever succeeded in felling them - one of the snakes came back to strike the hand that initially fed it. This snake 'the LTTE' imagined itself as having grown into a strong force to reckon (using concepts like suicide bombing, cyanide gulping, with help from scandinavia & supporters who sought help in european asylums & etc) that could stand on its own. It got out of control & refused to heed to its creator and it was afraid that it would be de-fanged by its creator. The creator felt suprised. This snake then struck at one leader from among the creator.

[4] The creator eventually realized his folly and decided that the snake project had to be ended but it could be done only by using the SLA. By the time this realization happened, Chinese and Pakistani mongooses came in to kill the snake & help was starting to come in and a fatigued SL decided to use anything to get rid of the snake.

[5] There was no other go - the creator had to play a role (a bit of a silent invisible role) in getting the snake killed. But in the process of attempting to escape, the snake grew desperate and ran into the nearby living areas ...causing lots of collateral damage to the living beings in those areas and SLA seemed focussed only on killing the snake.

[6] Innocent living beings lost lives before the snake was eventually killed.

[7] India, SL learn their respective lessons.

[8] SL Tamils get help to rehabilitate in their areas and start to develop themselves back to their original healthy situation sans any further discrimination & forceful resistance.

I hope [7] has happened or [8] is starting to happen. SL Tamils have lost a lot...in fact they lost in every step of this sequence of tragedy. I feel SL Tamils need to have the same rights and privileges in SL that Indian Tamils enjoy in India. Sinhalese have to stop fearing about SL Tamils.

[1] was entirely wrong and unjustifiable. It may have happened due to the "Fear of Other" which is given a life by the immature elements of the society and stoked into a big fire sans proper observation& understanding by the members of society.
[2] was a stupid thing to do but India did it. I hope India will not resort to this ploy again.
[3] was just waiting to happen. [4] was inevitable consequence of [3].
[5] led to [6].
India & other entities that have genuine concern for SL Tamils must now ensure [8] happens and this must be the sole criteria that defines every step that must be taken by India and entities towards [8] happening.

Now, Would India backing the US led UN resolution against SL help in the accomplishment of [8] or not - Is the question.

Posters who are expressing anger about [6] have to question if [2] was needed even.

Pakistan has also done its own version of [2] against India and in fact it grew & sheltered the snakes in its own land. It has suffered & continues to suffer [3] but hasn't yet done [5].

US did [2] to USSR through OBL and then suffered [3] and is now involved in doing [4] & [5] in a very visible manner and [6] is very evident. In bringing this UN resolution - US is a hypocrite and through this, it appears the US is using the UN to cause split among other nations. It can afford to be so & do as it wishes because its the disputed world super-power for now.

SL Tamils belong to SL. They may be Tamils but they are Sri Lankans. Indian Tamils belong to India. It may have been different before Independence from Britain but then Tamils in India didn't protest over this division of Tamils into citizens of two countries , when SL was created as a separate nation from India at that time. The posters here have to understand and accept this. IMO - India shouldn't have done [2] but should have instead done something else at that time to make SL feel the gravity of its wrongdoing and to set right its internal situation.

Above logic does not answer these questions.
1. How war crime will be punished? If it is not punished, will it set bad Trend for others to follow during the war?
2. SL army deliberately killed SL Tamils. what is the need for that as per your logic?
3. Remove this guy and do the reforms with somebody else. what is the guarantee, that those deliberately killed the SL tamils, will help other SL tamils to rehabilitate?
4. what is the answer from Indian Government for TN Fisherman? How those SL navy criminals to be punished?
5. whether the act of killing most of the people of community and helping few, that too not in 100% and dumping those people in open jail is correct?

even the Tamils there wont accept this...people are crossing the island for millennia.

Correct. Many Indians have this notion that Tamils went to Ceylon only during the British period. But on the contrary, the Jaffna Tamils have been there at least from the time of Raja Raja and Rajendra chola (10 - 12th century), if not earlier. Don't forget that we Tamils were a seafaring nation throughout our history! The Cholas ruled a big slice of the island as part of their empire for the better part of two centuries. And when it was overthrown, not everybody returned. Additionally, to get in to court favour, entire local population of that area could also have converted to Hinduism and adopted Tamil. Two centuries is a long time!

We must not forget that a land route existed from time to time - according to the Setupathi royal family records. The last one being as late as the 17th century.

^^

It is much earlier to 10-12th century.

Tamils have settled in that Island long before that..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamil_people

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SL tamils never wanted to be with India from the begining, they were upper caste dominant in SL govt,SL was always were and had better HDI than India even today it is better excluding tamil areas, Even judicial system and democracy were better than India.
But unfortunately this Sinhalese/Tamil rivalry ruined the growth of this island from being close malaysia into a middle income country.

Anyways history behind, As I said India is incapable of handling this issue like a big brother but rather act like a pussy and in agreeing at end of the day it will drop its hands off spending 1000 crores is nothing compared to arms supply provided and protecting bangaladesh border or helping UN efforts non monetarily. Its the silly excuse like saying I drove the car and ruined couple of lives but I can do charity work by donating few hundred rupees.

Muralee,
Do you think India can convince RP to implement 13th amendment? Say your honest opinion then I will agree India's interest is in the best interest of both India and SL tamils.

[5] There was no other go - the creator had to play a role (a bit of a silent invisible role) in getting the snake killed. But in the process of attempting to escape, the snake grew desperate and ran into the nearby living areas ...causing lots of collateral damage to the living beings in those areas and SLA seemed focussed only on killing the snake.

[6] Innocent living beings lost lives before the snake was eventually killed.


People are not so dumb to not understand collateral damage, especially in the context of an outfit like LTTE which uses thickly populated areas as their hideout.

What we are talking about are situations where the population was first penned in to designated "safe areas", and then butchered - by shelling and air attacks. And surrendered fighters, even those suspected of being fighters, executed in cold blood, blind folded and hands tied behind their backs. Even non-combatant members of the LTTE. Even twelve year olds. For which there is credible evidence. If these are not war crimes, what are?

There were also pictures of the LTTE forcing back people who were trying to leave the combat zone, at gun point. They have plenty to answer for too - but they are not on the scene any more.

Moreover, the army of a legitimate govt can't adopt the same methods of a designated terrorist outfit. If they do, the Tamils were justified in taking up arms in the first place, any way.

Actually Indira's wish to teach a lesson to the Sinhalese started much before the Bangladesh war. In the events leading up to that war, an IA plane was hijacked to Pakistan and blown up in front of dignitaries, including Bhutto! Indira immediately refused overflying rights to all Pakistani planes to reach the then east Pakistan. She lobbied with neighboring countries also to deny their air space and refueling facilities to Pakistan. But Bandaranaike did not listen and granted the rights! From that date it was decided to create a headache to the Sinhalese and teach them a lesson!

விஜயகாந்துடன் கிராமவாசி வாக்குவாதம்

""இடைத்தேர்தலுக்கு பின் மின்வெட்டு அதிகரிக்கும் என்கிறார்கள். தற்போதைய நிலவரப்படி, அதிகளவு மின்வெட்டு ஏற்படுகிறது,'' என்ற போது, குறுக்கிட்ட கிராமவாசி ஒருவர்,""மின்சாரம் இருக்கிறதால தானே நீங்க பேசுறீங்க,'' என்றார்.

இதை கேட்டு எரிச்சலான விஜயகாந்த், ""யாரு நீங்க...'' என, அவரை நோக்கி கேட்க, ""எங்க ஊர்ல வந்து என்னை கேட்க, நீங்க யாரு...'' என, கிராமவாசி பதில் கூற, ""மேல வா'' என, சூடானார் விஜயகாந்த். அதே சூட்டுடன், ""நீ... கிழே வா'' என்றார் கிராமவாசி.:lol: வாக்குவாதம் கடுமையாக, கிராமவாசியை போலீசார் அமைதிபடுத்தினர்.

Source: http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=425807

SL tamils never wanted to be with India from the begining, they were upper caste dominant in SL govt,SL was always were and had better HDI than India even today it is better excluding tamil areas, Even judicial system and democracy were better than India.
But unfortunately this Sinhalese/Tamil rivalry ruined the growth of this island from being close malaysia into a middle income country.
.

Disagree on first point . SL was behind TamilNadu historically in all aspects of Human development. TamilNadu has a rich history and heritage and a long history of strong economy and a very dynamic culture while SL had nothing.

Do you know that in 19th century, when British started tea plantations in SL, they brought Tamils to work in these tea plantations, why? Because they perceived the Sinhalese to be lazy and less motivated. tamils were and are one of the most hardworking groups ever.

But yes, SL improved in HDI post independence . They were helped by many factors. But what is use of all that HDI when they destroyed an entire ethnic community? People talk of Gujarat Riots and Modi rule but right in 2012 except for the riot victims and families (few thousands), other Gujarat Muslims are doing fine , but what about SL where entire ethnic minority has been liquidated and made irrelevant? The Indian English media devotes pages and pages analysing Modi, Gujarat and its minority (who as i said are doing fairly well except the direct victims of 2002 riots) but there is not a single line of concern on the Tamils of SL. Shows how perverted and biased is English Media

Correct. Many Indians have this notion that Tamils went to Ceylon only during the British period. But on the contrary, the Jaffna Tamils have been there at least from the time of Raja Raja and Rajendra chola (10 - 12th century), if not earlier. Don't forget that we Tamils were a seafaring nation throughout our history! The Cholas ruled a big slice of the island as part of their empire for the better part of two centuries. And when it was overthrown, not everybody returned. Additionally, to get in to court favour, entire local population of that area could also have converted to Hinduism and adopted Tamil. Two centuries is a long time!

We must not forget that a land route existed from time to time - according to the Setupathi royal family records. The last one being as late as the 17th century.

Actually Tamils were in SL even much before Raja raja Chozhan's period. SL was always a biracial nation - Tamils and Sinhalese throughout history. But post 2009, SL is on way to become a mono racial nation.

The whole world media which is making so much noise on Israel Palestine issue is so much silent on SL issue. Why? One reason is people believe (mistakenly) that Sinhalese being Buddhists, are not likely to act inhumanly. There is such a wrong perception, people even think that whole issue was created by Tamils. There is perception that Buddhists are not capable of ethnic cleansing and genocide, which is anyway a big lie (Japan in 1930s, Pol Pot etc)

விஜயகாந்துடன் கிராமவாசி வாக்குவாதம்

""இடைத்தேர்தலுக்கு பின் மின்வெட்டு அதிகரிக்கும் என்கிறார்கள். தற்போதைய நிலவரப்படி, அதிகளவு மின்வெட்டு ஏற்படுகிறது,'' என்ற போது, குறுக்கிட்ட கிராமவாசி ஒருவர்,""மின்சாரம் இருக்கிறதால தானே நீங்க பேசுறீங்க,'' என்றார்.

இதை கேட்டு எரிச்சலான விஜயகாந்த், ""யாரு நீங்க...'' என, அவரை நோக்கி கேட்க, ""எங்க ஊர்ல வந்து என்னை கேட்க, நீங்க யாரு...'' என, கிராமவாசி பதில் கூற, ""மேல வா'' என, சூடானார் விஜயகாந்த். அதே சூட்டுடன், ""நீ... கிழே வா'' என்றார் கிராமவாசி.:lol: வாக்குவாதம் கடுமையாக, கிராமவாசியை போலீசார் அமைதிபடுத்தினர்.

Source: http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=425807

Very sad and surprising. Our Captain is now 60 years (this August) and being the Opp leader should he not act more carefully and less emotional. Or am I expecting too much?

Very sad and surprising. Our Captain is now 60 years (this August) and being the Opp leader should he not act more carefully and less emotional. Or am I expecting too much?

he is an idiot period!!

Around 20 percent of them are in TN.. Interesting Statistics of Nairs..All must be very skilled.

Population in Country: 6,889,000

Kerala (5,278,000)
Tamil Nadu (1,045,000)
Karnataka (147,000)
Maharashtra (51,000)
Goa (23,000)
Pondicherry (17,000)
Delhi (16,000)
Andhra Pradesh (9,900)
Gujarat (7,100)
Madhya Pradesh (1,600)

SSC Tea kadai yila yaavaaram illama irunthuchu konja naala. Tea kadai owner (Kannan sir) varutha pattaara enna nu theriyala. 2 naala AA thread thee pudichu eriyuthu :lol: Today, good discussions would be there in Rly thread also

Ussssss. Sabbada....

Padichu mudikkaradhukkulla thaavu theendudhu....

It is my post which seems to have sparked the debate with Anniyan's reply / question.

As per SSC I rules, we are not supposed to discuss our neighbour countries' defence policies / politics etc.

Since the issue was wrt the US resolution and India's position on that, I posted that.

More over the issue also involves HR violations wrt Indian origin people (Ethnic Tamils).

I will consult the other Mods also so that we do not cross the line here.

Meanwhile,

Murlee & Krishnaswamy have burnt their computers by pouring out so much in a short time. Please restrain yourselves. You need not reply to every post immediately.

All of you have maintained the decency and did not attack anybody personally, I am happy.

Murlee's Angle - Dont mix LTTE with SL Tamils. Both are different issues.
Almost all others - SL used LTTE issue to do ethnic cleansing. RP to be punished for that.

Both are true.

Let me come back for some cleaning action later.

Meanwhile, please restrict yourselves to Indian side and not cross the border..

Didi is opposing Rail fare hike.. might be Trivedi on his way out and we will get new RM:-)

Didi is opposing Rail fare hike.. might be Trivedi on his way out and we will get new RM:-)

Onnum nadakkathunga.

This is what is UPA style. Playing to the gallery / their vote bank.

Veliya oru stance. Ullukkulle totally opposing stance.

Ellarukkum ellam theriyum. Aana onnume thriyadha madhiri nadippanga.

Congress is managing the partners because of this and fanning similar things.

Even SP may fall for this.

Around 20 percent of them are in TN.. Interesting Statistics of Nairs..All must be very skilled.

Population in Country: 6,889,000

Kerala (5,278,000)
Tamil Nadu (1,045,000)
Karnataka (147,000)
Maharashtra (51,000)
Goa (23,000)
Pondicherry (17,000)
Delhi (16,000)
Andhra Pradesh (9,900)
Gujarat (7,100)
Madhya Pradesh (1,600)

Where did you get this info. Can you please pub. the source.

kannan sir right.

this is all drama. mamata bigger target is bidget, pranab. she will justify it saying we opposed even our own partyman. dont forget a fuel hike enroute. like this she will lay grounds to support a common candidate like kalam.

dinesh trivedi a small pawn in the game being played by queens.

probably you didn't get what i mentioned to as noble cause! I have to admire your imagination when you say tamils are weaker and what RG did for SL tamils

I never mentioned ever that anyone as weak ever..I always have been highlighting the inner source of power everywhere.

We also demands the same. Show that by supporting u.s resolution.
for that only we are discussing(?) for the last few pages..
ithai munnaidya solli irukkalam..Tamil movie police mathiri last-le solreenga :lol::lol:
appada.. after 5-6 page, othukittaru...

Dude.. go and see the first few postings.. I already told.. padam muzhukka thoongittu.. climaxla ennachunnu ketta mathiri irukku :D

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/428351_290109871062522_235007419906101_710034_811703026_n.jpg

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/world-bank-honours-chennai-food-entrepreneur-sarath-babu-elumalai/articleshow/12261234.cms?curpg=2

A slum boy who now owns a food industry empire in Chennai - thanks to his poverty stricken mother who sold idlis on pavements to educate him - was honoured at a youth conference of the World Bank for his entrepreneurship and leadership skills.

Sarath Babu Elumalai was among the three youth invited from across the globe for the Bank's annual flagship event, the Global Youth Conference, to engage the broader development of community with youth around the world.

The theme of this year's conference was Youth Unemployment: Empowering Solutions through Innovation and Inclusion.

Convened by youth experts and advocates, the conference was webcast internally and externally, with online participants from over 20 countries.

Ronan Farrow, advisor on Youth Issues to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton addressed the participants. The conference was also webcast internally and externally, with online participants from over 20 countries.

Sarath Babu told reporters in Jersey City here that at one time he struggled to continue his school education due to poverty.

His mother who worked as a low grade servant at the State Government nutritious noon meal scheme project decided to make idlis and sell them in a pavement shop to educate her son.

Babu did not disappoint her and got admission in merit at BITS-Pilani for a Chemical Engineering degree and landed in top-notch Indian Institute of Management-Ahmedabad for an MBA.

Today, the 30-year-old youth who was wallowing in abject poverty in the prime of his youth, employs around 300 people mostly from the poor strata of the society and his multi-crore Food King restaurant and catering business has crossed Chennai and operates in Hyderabad and Jaipur as well.

"I was born and raised in a slum in Madipakkam in Chennai. I have two elder sisters and two younger brothers and my mother was the sole breadwinner of the family," Babu told the gathering at the conference moving some of them into tears.

"It was really tough for my mother to bring up five kids on her meager salary. She sold Idlis in the mornings, worked for the mid-day meal at the school during daytime and taught at the adult education programme of the Indian government, thus doing three different jobs to bring us up and educate us. We went hungry many a days and I know the impact of hunger,"

After graduating from IIM-A, Babu had setup "Food King" - a food catering services in 2006 with the vision to offer employment to illiterate and semi-illiterate people and improve their standard of living.

"I put values ahead of money and power. And I have learnt it the hard way, rising up from delivering idlis prepared by my mother."

Over 100 govt websites hacked in 3 months: Pilot

A total of 112 government websites belonging to various state government agencies, and Finance Ministry were hacked in the three- month period ending February 2012, Parliament was informed today.

"During the period December 2011 to February 2012, a total number of 112 government websites were hacked," Minister of State for Communications and IT Sachin Pilot said in a written reply to the Lok Sabha.

These hacked websites belonged to the agencies in the government of Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Kerala, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh, Sikkim and Manipur, he added.

It also included agencies of Ministry of Finance, Health, Planning Commission and Humar Resource Development.

The website of Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd was hacked on December 4, 2011 by the 'H4tr!ck' hacker group, Pilot said.

The Minister added that the number of Internet frauds involving Rs 1 lakh and above have declined over the last three years from 269 cases in 2009 to 125 cases in 2011.

"However, after taking into account the Internet frauds wherein the amount involved in individual cases is less than Rs 1 lakh, the total number of Internet frauds were 864 involving Rs 824.05 lakh, 2,232 cases involving Rs 1,234.94 lakh and 1,798 cases involving Rs 787.39 lakh for the calender year 2009, 2010 and 2011, respectively," he said.

http://www.mydigitalfc.com/it/over-100-govt-websites-hacked-3-months-pilot-872

:ohno:

Enjoy this

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=89437862&postcount=9745

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:lol:

இலங்கை அரசின் அறிக்கையை ஜெராக்ஸ் எடுத்துப் படித்துள்ளார் வெளியுறவு அமைச்சர் எஸ்.எம்.கிருஷ்ணா என்று திமுக ஆவேசமாக கூறியுள்ளது.

ராஜ்யசபாவில் மத்திய வெளியுறவு அமைச்சர் எஸ்.எம்.கிருஷ்ணா இன்று இலங்கைககு எதிரான ஐநா மனித உரிமை ஆணைய நடவடிக்கை தொடர்பாக அறிக்கை ஒன்றை வாசித்தார். முழுக்க முழுக்க இலங்கை அரசுக்கு ஆதரவாகவும், தமிழர்களுக்கு எதிராகவும் இருந்தது அந்த அறிக்கை.

அதற்குப் பின்னர் திமுக சார்பில் திருச்சி சிவா பேசுகையில், கிருஷ்ணாவை கடுமையாக விமர்சித்தார்.

அவர் பேசுகையில், நமது வெளியுறவு அமைச்சர் எஸ்.எம்.கிருஷ்ணா இலங்கை விவகாரம் தொடர்பாக எப்போது அறிக்கை வாசித்தாலும், அது இலங்கை அரசின் அறிக்கையை ஜெராக்ஸ் எடுத்து வந்து படிப்பது போலவே இருக்கிறது. இப்போதும் அப்படி ஒரு அறிக்கையைத்தான் அவர் வாசித்துள்ளார்.

இலங்கையுடன் நமக்கு வரலாற்று ரீதியான உறவு உள்ளது, நட்பு உள்ளது என்கிறார். அந்த உறவுதான் அப்பாவித் தமிழர்கள் 40,000 பேரின் உயிரை எடுத்துள்ளது. நமது தமீழக மீனவர்களை மீன் பிடிக்க விடாமல் மாண்டு போகச் செய்து வருகிறது. தொடர்ந்து நமது மீனவர்களை இலங்கை அரசு கொன்று குவித்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறது.

ஆனால் இந்த உறவு வரலாற்றுப் பூர்வமானது, நட்பு ரீதியானது என்று நீங்கள் கூறுகிறீர்கள். இப்படியே நீங்கள் கூறிக் கொண்டிருந்தால், இலங்கையில் இந்தியாவுக்கு ஆதரவான அத்தனை தமிழர்களும் கொன்று குவிக்கப்பட்டு விடுவார்கள். இந்தியாவுக்கு எதிரானவர்கள் குவிந்து விடுவார்கள். இது இந்தியாவுக்கு நல்லதல்ல, என்பதை நினைவில் கொள்ளுங்கள்.

பல காலமாக எங்களது சகோதரர்களை கொன்று குவித்து வரும் ஒரு நாட்டுடன் நாம் எப்படி வரலாற்றுப் பூர்வமான உறவை பராமரிக்க முடியும், நட்பாக இருக்க முடியும். எனவே இனியும் அப்படிச் சொல்லாதீர்கள்.

கொல்லப்பட்ட தமிழர்களுக்கு நீதி கிடைக்க அமெரிக்கா கொண்டு வந்துள்ள தீர்மானத்தை இந்தியா தயவு செய்து ஆதரிக்க வேண்டும் என்று கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன் என்றார் சிவா.

அறிக்கையை கிழித்து திமுக வெளிநடப்பு

முன்னதாக எஸ்.எம்.கிருஷ்ணா தனது அறிக்கையைப் படித்து விட்டு உட்கார்ந்தபோது திமுக உறுப்பினர்கள் மொத்தமாக எழுந்து கிருஷ்ணாவின் உப்புச்சப்பில்லாத பதிலைக் கண்டித்து குரல் கொடுத்தனர். அவர்களை அமருமாறு துணைத் தலைவர் ரஹ்மான் கான் கோரினார். ஆனால் கிருஷ்ணாவின் பதில் குறித்து கடுமையாக விமர்சித்த திமுக உறுப்பினர்கள், அவரின் உரை நகலைக் கிழித்தெறிந்து விட்டு வெளியேறினர்.

http://tamil.oneindia.in/news/2012/03/14/india-dmk-slams-s-m-krishna-tores-his-speech-copy-in-rs-aid0091.html

Onnum nadakkathunga.

This is what is UPA style. Playing to the gallery / their vote bank.

Veliya oru stance. Ullukkulle totally opposing stance.

Ellarukkum ellam theriyum. Aana onnume thriyadha madhiri nadippanga.

Congress is managing the partners because of this and fanning similar things.

Even SP may fall for this.

hm.. it looks Trivedi is out and Mukul is in.
Finally, we saw 1 good minister, who acted a in the interest of country. Mamata is killing Indian Railway. Already Lalu killed it.
Finally we saw 1 "ஆண்பிள்ளை" in the Govt.

double face from Jayalalitha. She condemned Rail fare hike.
this idiot did not think, that same logic of bus fare hike can be applied to Railway also.

IF she is going to be PM, i will vote 49o

Ruling party / coalition enna panninalum edhirpadhu Opposition partys n kadamai.

Ruling party enna panninalum kandukkamal viduvadhu, coalition partners n kadamai.

Arasiyalla idhellam Sahajamappa. :lol:

http://tm.dinakaran.com/pdf/2012/03/14/20120314a_008106006.jpg

:rofl:

Ruling party / coalition enna panninalum edhirpadhu Opposition partys n kadamai.

Ruling party enna panninalum kandukkamal viduvadhu, coalition partners n kadamai.

Arasiyalla idhellam Sahajamappa. :lol:
but how long it is going to be like this? she has to come to public forums and for open debates

double face from Jayalalitha. She condemned Rail fare hike.
this idiot did not think, that same logic of bus fare hike can be applied to Railway also.

IF she is going to be PM, i will vote 49o

Yeah. That too with "ஜனநாயகத்துக்கு விரோதமான முறையில்

பட்ஜெட்டில் தொலைநோக்கு திட்டங்கள் இல்லை: ஜெ., குற்றச்சாட்டு (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=426557)

மத்திய ரயில்வே பட்ஜெட் சாதாரண மக்களுக்கு மிகப்பெரும் ஏமாற்றம் அளிக்கிறது என முதல்வர் ஜெயலலிதா கூறியுள்ளார். ரயில்வே பட்ஜெட் குறித்து அவர் வெளியிட்டுள்ள அறிக்கையில் கூறியிருப்பதாவது: ரயில்வே பட்ஜெட்டில் பெரிய திட்டங்கள் அறிவிக்கப்பட்டிருந்தாலும், அதனை நடைமுறைப்படுத்தும் செயல் திட்டங்கள் அறிவிக்கப்படவில்லை. பட்ஜெட்டில் தொலைநோக்கு திட்டங்கள் ஏதும் இல்லை. ஜனநாயகத்துக்கு விரோதமான முறையில் சரக்கு கட்டணங்கள் உயர்த்தப்பட்டுள்ளன. பயணிகள் கட்டணமும் உயர்த்தப்பட்டுள்ளதால் மக்கள் ஏமாற்றம் அடைந்துள்ளனர். பிளாட்பார்ம் கட்டணமும் உயர்த்தப்பட்டுள்ளது. ரயில்வே பாதுகாப்பை மேம்படுத்துவதற்கான நடவடிக்கைகள் ஏதும் அறிவிக்கப்படவில்லை. குறிப்பிட்ட சில வழித்தடங்களில் புதிய ரயில் இயக்குவதற்கான கோரிக்கைகள் நிராகரிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது என கூறியுள்ளார்.

Can anybody say what is that "ஜனநாயகத்துக்கு விரோதமான முறையில்"??

Sri Lanka war crimes: DMK to withdraw five Union ministers

The whole of India is not bothered about Tamils in India, it's own citizens. The central Politic, opinion makers and all othe sundries are very clear about that. They have hitorical reasons for that as Mr Krishna says. Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area.

Why drive them to support Srilankan Tamils, a non entity as far as people who matter? Poor souls,refugees who are born to get vanquished... It has happened in India for years..and will continue as long as the Political map remains as it is.

Recall the story of the movie'Aayirathil Oruvan' ..there is a message and truth..

My Niece is married to a Srilankan Tamil, living as refugees in Stockolm, not seen her for years..

Can anyone do anything to remedy the situation?

Only USA can do by direct intervention..

No other hopes.

Mamata gets her way, PM to sack Dinesh Trivedi (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mamata-gets-her-way-pm-to-sack-dinesh-trivedi-186093?pfrom=home-lateststories)
bad news..what will happen to the budget?new RM can roll back the changes?

Sri Lanka war crimes: DMK to withdraw five Union ministersjust a warning only right? (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/dmk-warns-it-may-quit-government-over-sri-lanka-resolution-185876?pfrom=home-topstories)
thatha inthe mathiri neriya thamasu pannuvaru..:lol::lol:

Mamata gets her way, PM to sack Dinesh Trivedi (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mamata-gets-her-way-pm-to-sack-dinesh-trivedi-186093?pfrom=home-lateststories)
bad news..what will happen to the budget?new RM can roll back the changes?

In last janma, I guess MMS has done something grave to women.. first dancing to Annai.. now Didi... manushanukku thuli kooda maana avamaaname illama pochu.. verum dummy rubber stamp PM.. pesama avarum resign pannittu poidalam.. all his great economic knowledge not there for the country.. all we get to see is his dance..

just a warning only right? (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/dmk-warns-it-may-quit-government-over-sri-lanka-resolution-185876?pfrom=home-topstories)
thatha inthe mathiri neriya thamasu pannuvaru..:lol::lol:

innoru stunt!!

Did any channel telecasted, Channel 4's original documentary Srilanka's killing fields in India?
I wonder what this tamil channels are doing? that will raise up the emotions but it is needed for dumb tamils.

In last janma, I guess MMS has done something grave to women.. first dancing to Annai.. now Didi... manushanukku thuli kooda maana avamaaname illama pochu.. verum dummy rubber stamp PM.. pesama avarum resign pannittu poidalam.. all his great economic knowledge not there for the country.. all we get to see is his dance..
Special "Like"..+100..
he is trying to screw himself as much as possible.
why he has to be "PM" like this?

Mamata gets her way, PM to sack Dinesh Trivedi (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mamata-gets-her-way-pm-to-sack-dinesh-trivedi-186093?pfrom=home-lateststories)
bad news..what will happen to the budget?new RM can roll back the changes?

Mamta is another drama queen that will drag this country backwards, she is more leftist than left I wonder why WB chose her over Buddhadeb?

Some Data to chew on..
Taminadu Fares Average and Below Average in this household asset survey
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011ce...Indicators.pdf

Surprising to see TN households has more bathrooms than latrins
TN is number 1 in terms of big states to have Nuclear family!! with 75% of household with 1 married couple living in the household


Good ones - 79% has tap water connections, 34% of the household has Two wheelers , 87% TV ownership , 93% electicity connections, 74% of household has phones

Avg- 10.3% Internet, 52.5% has banking access

Below average ones - 48% latrine inside the house premises, 4.3% car (I was expecting atleast 6-7% of household looking at TN auto data TN publishes)



Kerala, Haryana/ Himachal/Punjab/Delhi are good
Karnataka/Gujarat/MH are slightly better is certain things worse in certain

Sri Lanka war crimes: DMK to withdraw five Union ministers

evallavo parthuttom, powerstar padam kooda parkka ready-a irukkom. idha pakka mattama :lol:

evallavo parthuttom, powerstar padam kooda parkka ready-a irukkom. idha pakka mattama :lol:

I wonder if that man is using this oppurtunity to come out of the alliance or trying to retain his lost thamila ina thalivar title. whatever, he will be remembered as a thamil ina throgi only.

innoru stunt!!

Did any channel telecasted, Channel 4's original documentary Srilanka's killing fields in India?
I wonder what this tamil channels are doing? that will raise up the emotions but it is needed for dumb tamils.

Headlines Today telecasted Channel 4's SriLanka's Killing Field revelatory film.

Heard from my friend that Kalignar TV showed some clips a few days back. He was wondering what cud be the reason. No one is ready to believe MK has genuine interest.

I wonder if that man is using this oppurtunity to come out of the alliance or trying to retain his lost thamila ina thalivar title. whatever, he will be remembered as a thamil ina throgi only.

+1 Agree. He and PC(Highest ranked (3) minister from TN in CG) should always be remembered as thamil ina throgis.

evallavo parthuttom, powerstar padam kooda parkka ready-a irukkom. idha pakka mattama :lol:
KT..
he has just warn pannirukkar...nothing but to get some back room deal.
He knows, until both himself and mamatha come out together, nothing will happen.
so chumma.. stunt vidarar..

Rail Budger 2012: Son of the soil gives Kutch a railway coach factory - Can any minister from TN match this guy.

Ahmedabad: Railway Minister Dinesh Trivedi, the first Gujarati to present the railway budget in parliament, has proposed setting up of a coach manufacturing unit in Kutch district. Indian Railways already has coach manufacturing units at eight locations in the country. Kutch will be the ninth place to have such a factory.

Trivedi has announced 75 new trains in the budget. Of this, 20% (or 15) are connected to Gujarat. Further, people from the state will be able to get Gujarati Thali in trains as the minister has proposed providing regional dishes at affordable rates through a catering service.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AHD-rail-budger-2012-son-of-the-soil-gives-kutch-a-railway-coach-factory-2975568.html

Former Diplomat KC Singh makes brilliant points

http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/mostviewed-us/238889.html

Channel 4 which has been nominated for 2012 Nobel Peace price for its revelatory film "SriLanka's Killing Field" is showing its powerful follow-up film in few minutes...

Channel 4 which has been nominated for 2012 Nobel Peace price for its revelatory film "SriLanka's Killing Field" is showing its powerful follow-up film in few minutes...

Watching it now... any hard stubborn heart will shed a tear on seeing the state in which the innocent people and kids were killed...

:ohno:

Distressing scenes of a man clinging onto the body of his child, wrapped in a polythene bag. Unbearable...never seen anything so horrible before...

UN confidential document knew heavy weapons being used on no-fire zones.

David Milliband finally speaks out, yet when he had the power he preferred 'quiet diplomacy' (say nothing)

What a crime and what an escape - backed by India, UN , US and the west

I have few questions to Mamata and MMS. Could some one take these questions to them? I welcome our friends replies too..
the Railway fare hike is marginal and people are able to absorb the hike.

1. After 9 yrs, the hike has happened.So in the last 9 yrs, People income not increased to meet this 5paise/km ?
2. if it is burden for a common man, then how come Govt keep on increasing the fuel price? will that not burden common man?
3. Petrol Price and Gas rise is justified to protect OMC from bankrupt. why the same logic should be applied to Railways to protect it from bankruptcy.
4. common man will not travel long distance every day.So the impact of Railways fare is not going to impact him much. but he consumes fuel and gas for his transport and Food, which will affect him.. Then how come Cong and mamata claims that they are aam, aadmi government?

Is it available online ?

Is it available online ?

Part 1 is online part II is not
http://srilanka.channel4.com/index.shtml?intcmp=homepage_main

Thx. Saw the Part I. Waiting for Part II.

What a crime and what an escape - backed by India, UN , US and the west
what was MK doing when everybody was telling that innocent Tamils are killed.
appo avarukku enge ponachu buddhi? he was silent for his son, daughter ministry, his govt.
now to save his daughter, he is silent. now beyond situation on his daughter position, this .....hole is warning that he will withdraw support..
why the hell he is waiting for? why he is keep on telling and not doing anything..

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Is it available online ?

It just ended saying ' its up to international community to make sure the 40,000 dead not forgotten'

Now its showing at channel C4+1, I think it will be available online after an hour.

Free Beer to all in my office. anybody can take any number of boxes. each boxes has 4 bottles...
.. nan "Coffee" sapidra paiyan.:ohno:
lot of people are taking 3 to 4 boxes.:tongue4:

what was MK doing when everybody was telling that innocent Tamils are killed.
appo avarukku enge ponachu buddhi? he was silent for his son, daughter ministry, his govt.
now to save his daughter, he is silent. now beyond situation on his daughter position, this .....hole is warning that he will withdraw support..
why the hell he is waiting for? why he is keep on telling and not doing anything..

Its not alone about MK, Sonia or US or UK... we the people of tamilnadu remained silent and we still remain silent... if we don't care no one else would...

Tamil Eelam has got no natural resources for the world power to come to the rescue... the only hope and support was us - the tamil people and for the right or wrong reason we choose not to bother about it much...

But whoever see this video will realise their mistake - realise the mistake of being silent - whether it is MK or Jaya or Sonia...

Saw the documentary. Absolutely gruesome and barbaric. Some of the clippings just makes you question: how can humans be so brutal to fellow human beings?! I found the response of the Sri lankan government even more saddening.

how can humans be so brutal to fellow human beings?! I found the response of the Sri lankan government even more saddening.
We invited him for WC 2011 Finals...

Outside UK u should find killingfields here 2moro morning http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4od

Some Data to chew on..
Taminadu Fares Average and Below Average in this household asset survey
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011ce...Indicators.pdf

Surprising to see TN households has more bathrooms than latrins
TN is number 1 in terms of big states to have Nuclear family!! with 75% of household with 1 married couple living in the household


Good ones - 79% has tap water connections, 34% of the household has Two wheelers , 87% TV ownership , 93% electicity connections, 74% of household has phones

Avg- 10.3% Internet, 52.5% has banking access

Below average ones - 48% latrine inside the house premises, 4.3% car (I was expecting atleast 6-7% of household looking at TN auto data TN publishes)



Kerala, Haryana/ Himachal/Punjab/Delhi are good
Karnataka/Gujarat/MH are slightly better is certain things worse in certain

Thanks R2I you did what I wanted to do.
Surprising KN did much better than TN.
For me Car, Internet connections and Banking services are bad for TN.
It did good in two wheelers,Telephone and LPG connections.
Also houses based on roof,wall and floor we are good in certain aspects bad in certains aspects.

Killing Fields - War Crimes Unpunished.

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The above video does not work in USA . The below works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dtrfpVJJWg&feature=youtu.be

People with reconciliation thoughts watch SLkillingfields film and then see how lunatic implementing the LLRC sounds

People with reconciliation thoughts watch SLkillingfields film and then see how lunatic implementing the LLRC sounds

I have to mentally prepare myself now to watch this video!!
I will watch after everyone sleeps

Thanks R2I you did what I wanted to do.
Surprising KN did much better than TN.
For me Car, Internet connections and Banking services are bad for TN.
It did good in two wheelers,Telephone and LPG connections.
Also houses based on roof,wall and floor we are good in certain aspects bad in certains aspects.

We are number 1 in Nuclear family says lot about senior illtreatment also.

அசிங்கபட்டான் ஆட்டோகாரன்

DMK not to press for amendment on Sri Lanka, say sources (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/dmk-not-to-press-for-amendment-on-sri-lanka-say-sources-186143?pfrom=home-lateststories)

its all inter connected

If DMK pull out of UPA at present ....it will be suicide ...since most of thier party men are booked in disproportionate asset and land grabng case by JJ at state level....

Raja and kanimozhi ......?

so only hope is to stick to the centre .....under thier clouyte wld get relief for some time and not forever

Its politics and family interest over the sentiments and interest of the people of TN and the sufferinf tamil s of SL.

Bargain equation for MK with UPA

Kanomozhi and raja

then to some extnd SL Tamil prob( but this is d only trumph card lies wit MK at moment)

:)

http://viruvirupu.com/tn-mps-voice-their-concern/15167/

^^ Best லந்து parts....


நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் அமர்ந்திருந்த வெளி மாநில எம்.பி.க்கள், “ஆஹா.. இவர்கள் இந்திய அரசின் வெளியுறவுக் கொள்கையை மாற்ற கங்கணம் கட்டிக்கொண்டு கிளம்பி விட்டார்களோ” என்று பரபரப்படைந்திருக்கலாம்.

“யோவ்.. அமெரிக்க தீர்மானத்தையெல்லாம் ஆதரிக்க முடியாது. உங்க பாஸுக்கு லெட்டர் போட்டிருக்கோம். அங்கே போய் விசாரியுங்க” என்று இதைவிட பச்சையாக சொல்ல முடியாது.

பிரணாப் கூறியதைக் கேட்டு, தி.மு.க. வீரம் பற்றி தெரியாத சில பிற மாநில எம்.பி.க்கள் அச்சம் கொண்டிருப்பார்கள். “அமெரிக்க தீர்மானத்தை ஆதரிக்க முடியாது என்று நீர் எப்படி சொல்ல முடியும்?” என பிரணாப்பின் சட்டை காலரை டி.ஆர்.பாலு எட்டிப் பிடிப்பார் என்று அவர்கள் நடுநடுங்கியிருக்கலாம்.

ஆனால், அப்படியெதுவும் நடக்கவில்லை.



:lol:

Ha ha! Best satire I have read in recent times!

Its a good thinking. Yes, we need such a thread. But I think it should be limited to Tamilnadu in line with thread title. Because we already have another chaibar thread discussing general points elsewhere in INDIA thread.http://www.taobquban.info/ht1.jpghttp://www.taobquban.info/jh.jpghttp://www.taobquban.info/bh.jpg

People with reconciliation thoughts watch SLkillingfields film and then see how lunatic implementing the LLRC sounds

I just watched the video and not sure if I can work today. Feel terrible.
The same situation can happen to Tamils in India also and the hopeless central govt may use the same strategic theory to ignore the abuse. I have lost whatever little patriotism I had towards India now.
SL Tamils are better off now in Canada, Australia and Europe. Let them continue to prosper there and should never come back to this place.

malathai aali veesum dinamala(m) paper.... :bash:

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=427267

சேனல்- 4 அல்ல., சானல் போர்ர்., பிரபாகரன் ; கொல்லப்பட்ட விதம் வீடியோவில் இல்லை

அப்பட்டமான வெறிச்செயல்கள் எதுவும் இந்த கோப்பில் ( சேனல் --4 க்கு கிடைக்கவில்லை ) இடம்பெறவில்லை

I guess dinamalar paper might be the happiest media on earth if tamil race gets wiped out from Island.

The whole of India is not bothered about Tamils in India, it's own citizens. The central Politic, opinion makers and all othe sundries are very clear about that. They have hitorical reasons for that as Mr Krishna says. Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area.

Why drive them to support Srilankan Tamils, a non entity as far as people who matter? Poor souls,refugees who are born to get vanquished... It has happened in India for years..and will continue as long as the Political map remains as it is.

Recall the story of the movie'Aayirathil Oruvan' ..there is a message and truth..

My Niece is married to a Srilankan Tamil, living as refugees in Stockolm, not seen her for years..

Can anyone do anything to remedy the situation?

Only USA can do by direct intervention..

No other hopes.

Sad, Tamils like Subramaniya Swamy talking like Rajapakse's brother.

Tamil newspaper Dinamalar is writing the C4 doc was not interesting.

Rumours say that the I&B ministry havs given friendly instructions to all indian TV channels not to telecast Anti Koodankulam stir & Srilankan army's channel 4 expose.

Sad, Tamils like Subramaniya Swamy talking like Rajapakse's brother.

Tamil newspaper Dinamalar is writing the C4 doc was not interesting.

It is people like you and Me and other Tamils that are responsible for this henious crime on our brothers.
Silent observer of crime is also a participant in the crime by his inaction.

We did noting to save their lives, poor souls if they were born as a Malayalee/Guju/.. they would had some support.

They paid the price for being part of a shameless ethnic group.

There is spontaneous crowd for power cut,movie stars but none for opposing a genocide. Shame on us

Rumours say that the I&B ministry havs given friendly instructions to all indian TV channels not to telecast Anti Koodankulam stir & Srilankan army's channel 4 expose.

Headlines Today aired some of the channel-4 videos. Saw that yesterday or day before yesterday.

It is people like you and Me and other Tamils that are responsible for this henious crime on our brothers.
Silent observer of crime is also a participant in the crime by his inaction.

We did noting to save their lives, poor souls if they were born as a Malayalee/Guju/.. they would had some support.

They paid the price for being part of a shameless ethnic group.

There is spontaneous crowd for power cut,movie stars but none for opposing a genocide. Shame on us

I agree with you. I feel very guilty that at least I should have participated in a demosntration.

Chennai Guys!

Braze for more power cut.

It may be up to 4 hours/day in 2 tranches (2+2) and 2 days 9am to 5pm powercut.

^^ What??

Till when?? June?

Chennai Guys!

Braze for more power cut.

It may be up to 4 hours/day in 2 tranches (2+2) and 2 days 9am to 5pm powercut.

Any reason, she doesn't want to solve KKNP issue ?

malathai aali veesum dinamala(m) paper.... :bash:



A comment below that :

விட்டா, குத்து பாட்டு இல்லன்னு சொல்லுவிங்க போல?

Any reason, she doesn't want to solve KKNP issue ?

Do you think there will be any reason for her actions? Height of positive thinking

Any reason, she doesn't want to solve KKNP issue ?

She is a secret member of anti-nuclear society

10 மணிக்கு புதிய தலைமுறையில் கொலைக்களம் வீடியோ ஒளிபரப்பு

Chennai: The latest Channel 4 documentary on alleged war crimes by the Sri Lankan army in the last phase of its war against LTTE, Sri Lanka’s Killing Fields: War Crimes Unpunished has visuals and evidence that names and shames President Mahinda Rajapaksa and his defence secretary brother.

The heart-rending cries ofra children, men and women; brutalised and maimed in the war; and cold executions of naked and bound men and women that we saw in the first edition of the film, broadcast a year ago, continues in this film.

If the first episode tore the veneer of the dressed-up success story that Sri Lanka celebrated, this one seeks to systematically build up a case of war crimes by Sri Lankan government; or more precisely by the Rajapaksa brothers, who were at the “highest echelons of the chain of command.”
It is not one case that the film advances, but four: “the deliberate heavy shelling of civilians and a hospital in the ‘No Fire Zone’; the strategic denial of food and medicines to hundreds and thousands of trapped civilians — defying the legal obligation to allow humanitarian aid into a war zone; the killing of civilians during the ‘rescue mission’; and the systematic execution of naked and bound LTTE prisoners”

The film argues through documentary evidence, video footage, US diplomatic cables; UN reports and soundbites, including those by David Miliband, who undertook a mission to Colombo at the height of the war, and the then head of UN humanitarian operations, Sir John Holmes.

The most chilling visual is the execution of a kid — 12-year-old Balakandar, son of LTTE chief Veluppillai Prabhakaran. Balakandar lay dead with sharp bullet wounds on his chest, fired from very close range as certified by a forensic expert, surrounded by five bleeding, naked bodies of his bodyguards.

The forensic expert believes that the child could have undergone psychological torture by being a witness to the killing of his bodyguards. The channel says it has a sworn affidavit of an officer who said that the child along with his bodyguards were sent to the army to surrender, but they were interrogated to get the whereabouts of Prabhakaran before being shot.

The film also shows the near-naked body of Prabhakaran with a gaping bullet wound on his head, subsequently smeared with mud. The footage also shows brain samples being collected from his head. The forensic expert says that he appeared to have been killed by a high-velocity single shot when he was not moving. Means, perhaps he was captured alive or surrendered and shot dead.

The other cases show how the government allegedly starved the Tamil population trapped in the no-fire zone by hugely underestimating their numbers and hence disallowing food supply. Instead of 300,000 people, as estimated by the UN and others, the government said there were only 60,000. Miliband says on camera that 60,000 people required 30 tonnes of food a day, but between 1 and 25 April, they were supplied only 60 tonnes . In other words, 300,000 people had to survive for three weeks on food that could feed less than one third of them for two days.

The visuals of emaciated people, particularly those heavily injured, corroborate the argument. Zam Zarifi of Amnesty International says: “International law forbids medieval sieges. You cannot subject people to hunger, famine or plague as a means of military victory.”

Regarding shelling civilian populations, on which the film provides new evidence, Miliband touches upon a crucial angle to counter the argument that they had been held as human shields by the LTTE: “Democratic governments are held to higher standards than terrorist organisation.

The film calls for “robust enquiries and vigorous cross examination” of the culprits. The government has apparently sent out the two top army men who were responsible for the operations on plum diplomatic assignments – one in London and the other at the UN in New York – ostensibly to immunise them diplomatically.

“This was a proper piece of journalism that asked serious questions of President Mahinda Rajapaksa and his brother, the defence secretary — questions that should be asked in a war crimes trial. A depressing, numbing film that rang on long after the final credits rolled,” is how The Guardian described the film.

Certainly by the end, there seemed no doubt that the government had indeed set up special no-fire zones for Tamil civilians — and then fired on them with heavy weaponry. According to a secret UN report, the “probability” that the government had done the shelling was “100 per cent”. Even so, anybody hoping for the triumph of natural justice was in for a disappointment. When we last saw President Rajapaksa, he was cheerfully greeting the Queen at last year’s Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Australia. He also looked pretty happy that the next conference will be held in Sri Lanka,” said The Telegraph.

The ravaged, wounded and brutalised refugees, constantly on the move in rags and their desperate cries; and the swagger of the impudent Rajapaksa brothers are too hard to ignore. In the film, Mahinda Rajapska thunders at his UN speech after the war victory: “Imported external solutions breed resentment, and will fail. Ours was a home-grown process.”

The film informs us that Mahinda’s UN speech was written by a British public relations company.

malathai aali veesum dinamala(m) paper.... :bash:

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=427267

சேனல்- 4 அல்ல., சானல் போர்ர்., பிரபாகரன் ; கொல்லப்பட்ட விதம் வீடியோவில் இல்லை

அப்பட்டமான வெறிச்செயல்கள் எதுவும் இந்த கோப்பில் ( சேனல் --4 க்கு கிடைக்கவில்லை ) இடம்பெறவில்லை

I guess dinamalar paper might be the happiest media on earth if tamil race gets wiped out from Island.

I think we should stop reading dinamalar, unfortunately dinamani and all doesnt render well in mac.

10 மணிக்கு புதிய தலைமுறையில் கொலைக்களம் வீடியோ ஒளிபரப்பு

its live now

I have seen the video. I am disgusted. Things have gone too far. The divide between the two communities shall never be bridged. The problem will fester unseen, and come home to roost in a different form.

:)

http://viruvirupu.com/tn-mps-voice-their-concern/15167/
wonderful link..

" I will self -immolate, if Anna Centenary Library is converted to a Hospital", says , ....

Who said this..find out tomorrow.

Sri Lankan envoy apologises to MPs for LTTE remark

New Delhi: The Sri Lankan High Commissioner has apologised for recent remarks which suggested that MPs from Tamil Nadu had been lobbied by members of the LTTE to object to the alleged war crimes of the Sri Lankan government. "If they are sympathetic to the LTTE cause, the Indian authorities should investigate into the matter," he had said in an interview.

Prasad Kariyawasam issued his apology after he was summoned by the Ministry of External Affairs to explain his interview.


http://www.ndtv.com/article/tamil-nadu/lankan-envoy-summoned-by-foreign-ministry-apologises-to-mps-for-remark-186294?pfrom=home-simplysouth

I think we should stop reading dinamalar, unfortunately dinamani and all doesnt render well in mac.

dinamani works fine on Mac except for annoying pop-ups. (both on legacy 10.1 os and more recent lion, ofcourse better with lion)

" I will self -immolate, if Anna Centenary Library is converted to a Hospital", says , ....

Who said this..find out tomorrow.

LMAO.. I guess, the old man must have said "tea kudippen" which has been mis-propagandized as "Thee Kulippen" by some rogue news papers with ulterior motives.

Curious to see his explanation tomorrow.:lol:

LMAO.. I guess, the old man must have said "tea kudippen" which has been mis-propagandized as "Thee Kulippen" by some rogue news papers with ulterior motives.

Curious to see his explanation tomorrow.:lol:
:lol::lol::lol:

LMAO.. I guess, the old man must have said "tea kudippen" which has been mis-propagandized as "Thee Kulippen" by some rogue news papers with ulterior motives.

Curious to see his explanation tomorrow.:lol:


Karunanidhi threatens to immolate self if Anna library is converted to hospital (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/article2999700.ece)

White rice intake increases risk of Type II diabetes (http://www.thehindu.com/health/medicine-and-research/article3001544.ece)

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00953/polished_rice_953292f.jpg

Double harm

Unlike brown rice, polished rice has a high glycaemic index (an indicator of glucose-raising effect of a food) and is a major contributor of dietary glycaemic load. Higher dietary glycaemic load is generally associated with the increased risk of diabetes. Hence, the harmful effects of polishing are two-pronged — it removes the nutrients that would cut the risk of diabetes and at the same time pushes up the glycaemic index, thus increasing the risk of the disease.

Being sympathetic to fellow human beings and raising voice against SL genocide (whole world acknowledges) doesn't go against Indian nationalism.

The real clusterfuck is that the great Indian nation with all its political/moral/diplomatic/military might unable to protect its citizens (fishermen) who are killed everyday by SL navy.

My mom cried yesterday when she saw the video in PT news :cry:

Being sympathetic to fellow human beings and raising voice against SL genocide (whole world acknowledges) doesn't go against Indian nationalism.

To be fair to Marathaman, I don't think he is saying not to be sympathetic and raise voice against this injustice at all..

He is just arguing against the stupid stuff posted by some members here like same stuff may happen to Tamils in India also..

And seriously, WTF is this shit??

Originally Posted by Leo_r
The whole of India is not bothered about Tamils in India, it's own citizens. The central Politic, opinion makers and all othe sundries are very clear about that. They have hitorical reasons for that as Mr Krishna says. Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area.

People need to give some leeway and not judge others by some emotional outbursts. We need to understand the sensibility of other

regions that is the only way we can achieve unity in diversity. If something is offensive, you can always go to the moderator and get it

deleted.

I feel really depressed by such discussions. TN is one of the few states where one can see Ancient India surviving even today. If Tamils are not Indians then nobody is Indian

People need to give some leeway and not judge others by some emotional outbursts.

U used the right term.

But this is a public forum visited by large number of people. We have to show some restraint in what we say. It is not like we are talking to each other, i.e once we say, we can't take back.. These are posts which can be edited and deleted..

To be fair to Marathaman, I don't think he is saying not to be sympathetic and raise voice against this injustice at all..

He is just arguing against the stupid stuff posted by some members here like same stuff may happen to Tamils in India also..

And seriously, WTF is this shit??

When you see some serious Indian nationalist blood boiling or getting emotional on seeing those comments, it is also quiet normal to see some tamil people getting emotional against India on seeing those videos because of India's hand in the civil war or its stand on supporting SL.

Mr Krishna says. "Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area."

If our external minister had made this kind of irresponsible statement, I don't know whether even god can save our foreign policy.

Mr Krishna says. "Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area."

If our external minister had made this kind of irresponsible statement, I don't know even god can save our foreign policy.

did this minister say something from where did tamils came to that Island?

^^Adheppudi solvaanuvo? Namma thaan anga irunthu vanthom nu solvaanuvo!

Looks like dinamalam modified its content and those came printed today was somewhat okay.

Mamata has approved the recommendation to increase electricity fare for kolkatta by 20%.
and she is asking RM to be removed for just 2% hike..

yesterday, all the channels "raked" TMC.. they have increased EB fare by 20%.
but they did not allow 2%.
WB is in huge debt and mamata is asking money from center. So our taxes are paid to WB.
is it fair to punish all states, just for 1 state?

Mamata has approved the recommendation to increase electricity fare for kolkatta by 20%.
and she is asking RM to be removed for just 2% hike..


He he, idhellam sagajamappa!! Inga bus, milk vilai yethunavanga (TNSTC nashtam as a reason) kooda idha thaana senjaanga? (Looks like she doesn't know that Railways is suffocating from paucity of funds)

Mr Krishna says. "Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area."



Does he mean to say that is why they are behaving in such a way.

"அண்ணா நூலகத்தை அகற்றினால் தீக்குளிப்பேன்'' - கருணாநிதி ஆவேசம்

தீக்குளிப்பேன்...

சென்னையில் அண்ணாவின் பெயரால் அமைக்கப்பட்ட நூற்றாண்டு நூலகத்தை, ஆசியாவிலேயே எங்கும் இல்லாத அளவில் கட்டப்பட்ட நூலகத்தை, வெளிநாட்டுக்காரர்கள் எல்லாம் பாராட்டி புகழ்ந்த நூலகம் அது.

அண்ணாவின் புகழை வரலாற்றில் பதிவு செய்ய வேண்டும் என்பதற்காக அண்ணா நூற்றாண்டு நூலகம் கட்டினோம். ஆனால் அதை இடித்துவிட்டு மருத்துவமனையாக்க போகிறேன் என்று ஜெயலலிதா கூறுகிறார். அண்ணா பெயரால் கட்சி வைத்துக் கொள்ள உங்களுக்கு என்ன அருகதை இருக்கிறது?

மருத்துவமனை கூடாது என்று சொல்பவன் நான் அல்ல. வேண்டும் என்றே அண்ணா பெயரால் நாங்கள் அமைத்த நூலகத்தை அகற்றிவிட்டு அங்கே ஆஸ்பத்திரி கட்டுவோம் என்றால், அது யாருக்கு ஆஸ்பத்திரி? மனநோயாளிகளுக்கா?

இன்றைக்கு சொல்லி வைக்கிறேன். தியாகிகளுக்கு, போராட்டக்காரர்களுக்கு, புகழ் சேர்த்துக் கொடுத்த நெல்லைச் சீமையில் இருந்து சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன், உயர் நீதிமன்றம், உச்சநீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவிட்டாலும் கூட அதை அகற்றியே தீருவோம் என்று ஜெயலலிதா அடம்பிடிப்பாரேயானால், அந்த நாள் கருணாநிதி தீக்குளிக்கும் நாளாக இருக்கும்.

COnt....

English summary
DMK president M Karunanidhi vowed that he would be burnt himself whether the govt shifting the Anna Centenary Library from the present place.

http://tamil.oneindia.in/news/2012/03/16/tamilnadu-i-will-burn-my-self-if-the-govt-shifting-anna-library-aid0136.html

:speech:

^^
serious ana discussion pokum pothu, yen boss intha comedy news a naduvula poduringa. move it to Dumb Actors thread :)

^^
serious ana discussion pokum pothu, yen boss intha comedy news a naduvula poduringa. move it to Dumb Actors thread :)
:rofl:
pavanga thatha supporters in this forum.. avanga padicha, avangalukku evallavu kastama irukkum..

"thatha"-vum, "powerstar"-ore thread-le...
Power star kopa pada poraru!

Budget, atleast "oneday" match mathiryavadu irukkum-nu partha,
zim-Bangaldesh test match mathiri agiduuche..

pavanga thatha supporters in this forum.. avanga padicha, avangalukku evallavu kastama irukkum..

"thatha"-vum, "powerstar"-ore thread-le...
Power star kopa pada poraru!

I guess you are not following Kollywood thread.

Power star qualified to Kollywood thread from Dumb actors thread 3 days ago :cheers: I guess it is because of the above reason

Guys!

Please restrict yourselves only to the issue of Indian Govt action / stand and avoid other state vs state and country vs country arguments.

Thanks

I guess you are not following Kollywood thread.

Power star qualified to Kollywood thread from Dumb actors thread 3 days ago :cheers: I guess it is because of the above reason
1 Bala padathule nadicha kollywood thread vanthurulama?
1 perarasu padathule nadicha dumb actors thread-a?:lol:

^^^^

Oru thadavai Thee Kulichale Dumb Actors thread a?

Neraya Thadavai Thee Kulicha ....... Endha thread pa ...? :lol:

^^^^

Oru thadavai Thee Kulichale Dumb Actors thread a?

Neraya Thadavai Thee Kulicha ....... Endha thread pa ...? :lol:
no thread...only "sambal" than...

amma vera kovathule irukkanga. sankarankoil "puttu"kichna, library-a "thooki" ra poranga..
1 stone.. 4 mangoes...thatha, alagiri gali, kani-ku "kali".. stalin "adutha" thalaivar..

A 12-year-old boy lies on the ground. He is stripped to the waist and has five neat bullet holes in his chest.

Any comments on the following:

http://www.jaffnamuslim.com/2012/03/blog-post_3678.html [WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED]

Prabhakaran's son was not the only child to die in the conflict.

Prabhakaran himself was responsible for abducting Tamil children, using them as child soldiers and sending them to die as cannon fodder. Hundreds if not thousands of children died because of him. Each family had to "donate" a child to the Tamil Tigers or face harassment/death. Meanwhile, for 20 long years Prabhakaran's own children were happily getting educated in England far away from the war front. While it is sad that a 12 year old boy died, it is merely a drop in the ocean of suffering that Prabhakaran wreaked on thousands of Tamil and non-Tamil families.

When you see some serious Indian nationalist blood boiling or getting emotional on seeing those comments, it is also quiet normal to see some tamil people getting emotional against India on seeing those videos because of India's hand in the civil war or its stand on supporting SL.

Where was all this "emotion" when the LTTE was around? Instead of promoting peace and reconciliation , many Tamil politicians were supporting the LTTE and lionising them. Prabhakaran was made out to be a demi-god with the appellation of "Surya Devan", a person representative of something that people would even immolate themselves over. To his supporters, nothing Prabhakaran did was wrong, because he was the "leader." No effort was made to push the LTTE to reach a negotiated settlement either by Tamil politicians or by Tamil civil society at large. Where was the "emotion" about the LTTE using Tamil children as child soldiers? What about the killing of democratically elected Tamil leaders? The suicide bombings? The assasinations? The ruthless elimination of Tamils opposed to the LTTE or belonging to a different political group?

India offered the LTTE an incredible opportunity through the Indo-Lanka accord. But we all know what happened there... and then Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated, making the LTTE unwelcome in most of India. Then again during the 2002 ceasefire agreement the LTTE was offered another golden opportunity to reach a negotiated settlement and bring peace to a war ravaged population. But instead the LTTE walked away from the table and resumed its violence. Again, none of the Tamil politicians with the exception of a few, or civil society in general voiced any opposition to this. I don't doubt that many were secretly happy, deriving some strange self-satisfaction from the belief that the LTTE was fighting for "Tamil pride" and proving to the world that the Tamils were a "martial race."

If only half of the "emotion" that is being displayed now was spent in the past trying to get the LTTE to reach a negotiated setttlement with the government of Sri Lanka, perhaps much of the violence and bloodshed could have been averted. Tamil Nadu could have played a leading role in bringing peace to Sri Lanka given its historical, linguistic and cultural links with Sri Lankan Tamils, but instead chose another path. People like Vaiko, Nedumaran and Karunanidhi were too busy heralding the Tamil Tigers, demonizing Sri Lanka and rousing racial sentiments -- and for what really? In the end, it is the Sri Lankan Tamils who lost out.


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ஹேர்ஸ்டைலை மாற்றிய ராசியில் சச்சின் இன்று 100வது சதம் அடிப்பாரா? ரசிகர்கள் எதிர்பார்ப்பு (http://tamil.thatscricket.com/news/2012/03/16/will-new-hair-style-bring-luck-sachin-aid0180.html)
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"அண்ணா நூலகத்தை அகற்றினால் தீக்குளிப்பேன்'' - கருணாநிதி ஆவேசம்

தீக்குளிப்பேன்...

அண்ணாவின் புகழை வரலாற்றில் பதிவு செய்ய வேண்டும் என்பதற்காக அண்ணா நூற்றாண்டு நூலகம் கட்டினோம். ஆனால் அதை இடித்துவிட்டு மருத்துவமனையாக்க போகிறேன் என்று ஜெயலலிதா கூறுகிறார்.

Is the building going to be razed? what is he talking about?

so will he take 'fire bath' only if it is razed ?!?

@deamino

wat's ur take on this

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTTE#IPKF_period)

In July 1987, faced with growing anger among its own Tamils and a flood of refugees,[41] India intervened directly in the conflict for the first time by initially airdropping food parcels into Jaffna. After negotiations, India and Sri Lanka entered into the Indo-Sri Lanka Accord. Though the conflict was between the Tamil and Sinhalese people, India and Sri Lanka signed the peace accord instead of India influencing both parties to sign a peace accord among themselves.

google more on what IPKF did..

If you are so right about what you say, y use a different id? Posting 'nice pic' in a foreign thread doesnt make u a foreigner.

LTTE unwelcome in most of India.

This is true. Perhaps not 'most of India' but the whole of India except TN. LTTE is seen just like any other militant group and this could be the reason any genuine issue related with Tamils is not getting enough support even within the country.

The negative point is that innocent tamilians may be also considered as Tigers and in some cases, it can be an excuse to target them also.

I remember a recent incident in Kerala coast. One Tamil fisherman (from Colachel) who was in a Kerala fishing boat fell of the boat in high seas in the night. He swam till shore and was exhausted. Soon TV Channels started beaming scrolls that a Tamil Puli is caught (since he came from sea) and Police were not believing his version in the beginning.

Recently also I have seen some media doubting whether LTTE is behind the skirmishes in the Kerala TN border over the mullaperiyar issue. This is also one example of the damage LTTE has brought to the whole Tamil race.

BTW I am seeing only the picture which is visible before me, and I dont know much about the reasons which resulted in the creation of LTTE. It will be always difficult to draw a differentiating line.

Those who ever preaching against LTTE please tell the solution what they should have done when there was atrocities earlier. They were consequence of earlier actions, why people were not blaming them earlier.IMO It is lameduck excuses on the part of People who ever claiming that they are not supporting actions against SL because of LTTE. It is so much of disheartening to see such erosion of Humanity in India even to comdemn this people are having reservation. I ashamed to be part of such a country.

@deamino

wat's ur take on this

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTTE#IPKF_period)



google more on what IPKF did..

If you are so right about what you say, y use a different id? Posting 'nice pic' in a foreign thread doesnt make u a foreigner.


Indian sympathy was very much with the Sri Lankan Tamils when the Indo-Lanka Accord was signed. It was meant for the Sri Lankan Tamil people and not the LTTE. The two are very different entities as much as Muslims and Al Qaeda are different entities although people with agendas like to think otherwise. The Indo-Lanka Accord was a wonderful opportunity for peace - within a united Sri Lanka however. It gave, in 1987, what many are demanding today. Yet the LTTE was not interested in it, because their goal was not a peaceful resolution of the conflict within a united Sri Lanka, but separatism and violence. What is in the interests of Sri Lankan Tamils as a community and what was in the interests of the LTTE I see as two different things.

The IPKF was provoked by the LTTE time and time again. That does not excuse any human rights violations that may have been committed by the IPKF, but retaliation against civilians was exactly what the LTTE set out to engineer and it succeeded in doing so. Do these seem like the acts of a group that was remotely interested in peace? I don't think so.

Again, there was very little if any opposition voiced by Tamil civil society or Tamil politicians about the LTTE ruining the accord and plunging the island into war again.

Can you please tell me why ltte were opposing peace accord?

Those who ever preaching against LTTE please tell the solution what they should have done when there was atrocities earlier. They were consequence of earlier actions, why people were not blaming them earlier.IMO It is lameduck excuses on the part of People who ever claiming that they are not supporting actions against SL because of LTTE. It is so much of disheartening to see such erosion of Humanity in India even to comdemn this people are having reservation. I ashamed to be part of such a country.

You can well argue that there were reasons for the emergence of the LTTE, including the vital point that the Indian government did arm, train and fund the LTTE at one point in time. But that does not explain why the LTTE refused, time and time again to reach a peaceful solution over the last 20 odd years. There were many peace talks between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government and at each time it was the LTTE that walked away from the table unilaterally to resume war and violence after re-arming and strengthening itself. The few who voiced opposition to this were branded as "traitors" to the Tamil cause. In addition to that, the Tamil diaspora openly funded the LTTE, knowing very well that any war would lead to the deaths of more people, people from all commmunities.

Why didn't Tamil civil society and Tamil politicans in Tamil Nadu pressure the LTTE to reach a negotiated solution with the Sri Lankan government over the last 20 odd years? Why did they not play a constructive role in bringing peace to the island, instead of supporting the LTTE, providing it safe haven, and praising the "valour" of the Tamil Tigers while demonizing Sri Lanka? Why was the LTTE accepted as the "sole representatives" of the Sri Lankan Tamil people without a single peep of opposition? Was this not itself an anti-democratic and anti-Tamil act?

Also, it was the LTTE that prevented Sri Lankan Tamils in areas it controlled from voting at crucial presidential elections, allowing Mahinda Rajapakse (relative hawk) to emerge victorious over Ranil Wickramsinghe (relative dove) by a tiny margin. Basically, with the majority vote split evenly between the two candidates, the outcome of the presidential election depended on what the Tamil electorate desired. Again, did Tamil civil society or Tamil politicians voice opposition to this blatant attack on democracy and franchise by the LTTE? The answer is no. In fact, they congratulated themselves and patted themselves on the back for "showing the world that Tamils had no interest in Sri Lankan elections."

The LTTE have plenty to answer for about human right violations and war crimes. But they are no more on the scene. And the army of a legitimate govt can't adopt the same means as a designated terrorist outfit. Two wrongs don't make a right. The very fact that the SL army attempted ethnic cleansing under the garb of fighting the LTTE, can help us understand why the Tamils took up arms in the first place.

To set the records straight, the initial setbacks and heavy casualties of the IPKF were because they had to face women fighters, and an enemy entrenched in thickly populated urban areas - something they had never faced before.

I have relatives who moved to Chennai for good after the 1983 riots. They have told me about the brutality of the security forces during the decade leading up to the armed struggle. They will enter a home for checking, and even if they found nothing incriminating, just before leaving they will just shoot any able bodied male or adolescent in the house and go. They need not be members of the then underground movement. A mere suspicion or the mere fact they were of an age group that could potentially join the movement, would be enough.

Believe me, the kind of federal set up we have in India will forever remain a pipe dream for the Tamils in SL. Already there is news of forcible re-settlement of people from one corner of the island to the other, from all areas.

Can India put it's weight behind creating autonomy with equal rights for the Tamils, instead of mouthing impotent platitudes? That is all we want. Nothing more.

The LTTE have plenty to answer for about human right violations and war crimes. But they are no more on the scene. And the army of a legitimate govt can't adopt the same means as a designated terrorist outfit. Two wrongs don't make a right. The very fact that the SL army attempted ethnic cleansing under the garb of fighting the LTTE, can help us understand why the Tamils took up arms in the first place.

To set the records straight, the initial setbacks and heavy casualties of the IPKF were because they had to face women fighters, and an enemy entrenched in thickly populated urban areas - something they had never faced before.

I have relatives who moved to Chennai for good after the 1987 riots. They have told me about the brutality of the security forces during the decade leading up to the armed struggle. They will enter a home for checking, and even if they found nothing incriminating, just before leaving they will just shoot any able bodied male or adolescent in the house and go. They need not be members of the then underground movement. A mere suspicion or the mere fact they were of an age group that could potentially join the movement, would be enough.

Believe me, the kind of federal set up we have in India will forever remain a pipe dream for the Tamils in SL. Already there is news of forcible re-settlement of people from one corner of the island to the other, from all areas.

The IPKF were welcomed with garlands and scores of civilian supporters when they entered Jaffna. The situation was the same in eastern Sri Lanka. The relations between the people on the ground and the IPKF were initially very close. Of course, this was not to the LTTE's liking. The LTTE continued to provoke the IPKF time and time again with claymore mine attacks, mutilation of Indian soldiers, burning them alive with tyres that were set on fire and melting into the civilian population. Their intention was to get the soldiers to retaliate against civilians and they succeeded.

My point is that the LTTE had many opportunities to reach a negotiated, political solution for the conflict, but deliberately - on numerous occasions - chose not to. They chose the path of war, and war alone. And there were consequences for the path it chose to take.

As a side note, IMO India does not have a genuine federal set up. It is at best a quasi-federal set up where the Central Government has ultimate control, including the power to dismiss state governments.

Sorry double post.

As a side note, IMO India does not have a genuine federal set up. It is at best a quasi-federal set up where the Central Government has ultimate control, including the power to dismiss state governments.

OK But people live without fear and with equal rights, whether within their home states or outside them. Does a similar situation prevail in Lanka, assuming you are from there?

In everypost you were writing about the dead LTTE.

LTTE which used women/childrens as arms is not justified by anyone here.

But does it make whatever SL gvt did is right?

Take it! The emotion and support from TN is growing now because of the media and internet. Even till 2000, TN was not aware "much" what was going in Island nation. The then printed media was the only information tool. It is the last war i.e from 2008 that brought more light about the civil war and the crimes both by LTTE and SL gvt.

And kind request, please keep the dead LTTE aside and we are talking about the crimes committed by SL gvt and want India to support U.S in UN... also India's role in getting rights for tamils in that nation and economic uplift of the region. (The dead LTTE got punished already)

Where was all this "emotion" when the LTTE was around? Instead of promoting peace and reconciliation , many Tamil politicians were supporting the LTTE and lionising them. Prabhakaran was made out to be a demi-god with the appellation of "Surya Devan", a person representative of something that people would even immolate themselves over. To his supporters, nothing Prabhakaran did was wrong, because he was the "leader." No effort was made to push the LTTE to reach a negotiated settlement either by Tamil politicians or by Tamil civil society at large. Where was the "emotion" about the LTTE using Tamil children as child soldiers? What about the killing of democratically elected Tamil leaders? The suicide bombings? The assasinations? The ruthless elimination of Tamils opposed to the LTTE or belonging to a different political group?

India offered the LTTE an incredible opportunity through the Indo-Lanka accord. But we all know what happened there... and then Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated, making the LTTE unwelcome in most of India. Then again during the 2002 ceasefire agreement the LTTE was offered another golden opportunity to reach a negotiated settlement and bring peace to a war ravaged population. But instead the LTTE walked away from the table and resumed its violence. Again, none of the Tamil politicians with the exception of a few, or civil society in general voiced any opposition to this. I don't doubt that many were secretly happy, deriving some strange self-satisfaction from the belief that the LTTE was fighting for "Tamil pride" and proving to the world that the Tamils were a "martial race."

If only half of the "emotion" that is being displayed now was spent in the past trying to get the LTTE to reach a negotiated setttlement with the government of Sri Lanka, perhaps much of the violence and bloodshed could have been averted. Tamil Nadu could have played a leading role in bringing peace to Sri Lanka given its historical, linguistic and cultural links with Sri Lankan Tamils, but instead chose another path. People like Vaiko, Nedumaran and Karunanidhi were too busy heralding the Tamil Tigers, demonizing Sri Lanka and rousing racial sentiments -- and for what really? In the end, it is the Sri Lankan Tamils who lost out.


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Sad, Tamils like Subramaniya Swamy talking like Rajapakse's brother.


I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same.

If I am not mistaken the Tamil community consists of around 5-6% of India's population. That means 95-96% of India's population is not Tamil.

That 95-96% of India's population, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. That is, the vast, vast majority of Indians, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. Infact, I would say most Indians likely view Sri Lanka through favourable eyes, or if not, with indifference.

While imperfect, the Indian government is representative of the Indian population and it generally looks after Indian interests, not regional interests of a particular ethnic group. There may be exceptions, I am sure. But I think Subramaniya Swamy is looking at political issues through an Indian lens, rather than an ethnic lens.

I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same.

If I am not mistaken the Tamil community consists of around 5-6% of India's population. That means 95-96% of India's population is not Tamil.

That 95-96% of India's population, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. That is, the vast, vast majority of Indians, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. Infact, I would say most Indians likely view Sri Lanka through favourable eyes, or if not, with indifference.

While imperfect, the Indian government is representative of the Indian population and it generally looks after Indian interests, not regional interests of a particular ethnic group. There may be exceptions, I am sure. But I think Subramaniya Swamy is looking at political issues through an Indian lens, rather than an ethnic lens.
Just like how Kashmiri's interest never aligns with Indian interest, Tamil's interest also never aligns. Only difference is we choose to adjust with Indians. That seems to be our mistake.

@deamino

That does not answer my question.

Though the population of Tamils within India may be 6 - 7 % of the total population, it is the population of one entire state. Which is double the size of entire Sri Lanka btw. And a state that is among a few which can potentially make or break the ruling alliances at the centre. So, there is no way the Indian govt can ignore our voices, whether they like it or not.

If you are from Sri Lanka, own up and answer my query. If, on the other hand, you are from India, there is no point in this dialogue!

Chillout for some time...

Sachin hit ton of ton

Recently also I have seen some media doubting whether LTTE is behind the skirmishes in the Kerala TN border over the mullaperiyar issue. This is also one example of the damage LTTE has brought to the whole Tamil race.

BTW I am seeing only the picture which is visible before me, and I dont know much about the reasons which resulted in the creation of LTTE. It will be always difficult to draw a differentiating line.

Recently also I have seen some media in TN doubting whether terrorist based in Kerala (i.e those terrorist who had links to Kovai blast, Trivandrum-Bangalore KF bomb planting etc.,) is behind the skirmishes in the Kerala TN border over the mullaperiyar issue and tn sabarmala devotees attacks in Kerala.

@deamino

That does not answer my question.

Though the population of Tamils within India may be 6 - 7 % of the total population, it is the population of one entire state. Which is double the size of entire Sri Lanka btw. And a state that is among a few which can potentially make or break the ruling alliances at the centre. So, there is no way the Indian govt can ignore our voices, whether they like it or not.

If you are from Sri Lanka, own up and answer my query. If, on the other hand, you are from India, there is no point in this dialogue!

Tamil Nadu is a part of India and not Sri Lanka. In and of its own Tamil Nadu certainly has a huge population. But when compared to the rest of India, it does not. It does not even half most of the the South Indian population - that honour going to Andhra Pradesh with its large Telugu population.

So I guess the case is whether the Indian Central Government is "ignoring" the voices of Tamil Nadu, or whether it has a more nuanced foreign policy that takes into account Indian interests over ethnic interests.

Recently also I have seen some media in TN doubting whether terrorist based in Kerala (i.e those terrorist who had links to Kovai blast, Trivandrum-Bangalore KF bomb planting etc.,) is behind the skirmishes in the Kerala TN border over the mullaperiyar issue and tn sabarmala devotees attacks in Kerala.

That guy & team who were responsible for Kovai blasts are handed over to the safe custody of Karnataka, some under custody of NIA and hope he would be kept inside for the rest of the life.

Terrorists, be it LTTE or the muslim fundementalists, should be crushed down.

Chillout for some time...

Sachin hit ton of ton

Ah, yes! Let him keep on playing long enough and the law of averages catch up at last!

Terrorists, be it LTTE or the muslim fundementalists, should be crushed down.

yes. But the point is when Kerala media is doubting about the dead ltte how come they forget the alive terrorist orgnanization from their own land.. and historically more terror attacks in tamilnadu or even Kerala is much related those organization in KL than the dead LTTE.

I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same.

If I am not mistaken the Tamil community consists of around 5-6% of India's population. That means 95-96% of India's population is not Tamil.

Hence we need a true Tamil nadu.

Tamil Nadu is a part of India and not Sri Lanka. In and of its own Tamil Nadu certainly has a huge population. But when compared to the rest of India, it does not. It does not even half most of the the South Indian population - that honour going to Andhra Pradesh with its large Telugu population.

So I guess the case is whether the Indian Central Government is "ignoring" the voices of Tamil Nadu, or whether it has a more nuanced foreign policy that takes into account Indian interests over ethnic interests.

Ah, so you are not from Sri Lanka! Ok, when I said TN was double the size of SL, I actually meant the land area. Population will be more than double. Be that as it may, I thought I was addressing a Lankan - not relevant any more.

But you miss the crux of the matter. AP is not one of the states determining the fate of the CG - none of the Cong / BJP ruled states are. So, practically any and everyone of the states which have that honour can nuance the nuance of the CG's foreign policy, if they set their minds to it!

deamean is demaening if he gets heart attack his whole body is fine..
so he will remain enjoying the pleasure of his other parts of party which are functioning well and good..

i stating for his meaningless mindless analysis ...

In everypost you were writing about the dead LTTE.

LTTE which used women/childrens as arms is not justified by anyone here.

But does it make whatever SL gvt did is right?

Are you saying that ending the 20+ year old war was the wrong thing to do?

Are you supporting SL genocide ?

yes. But the point is when Kerala media is doubting about the dead ltte how come they forget the alive terrorist orgnanization from their own land.. and historically more terror attacks in tamilnadu or even Kerala is much related those organization in KL than the dead LTTE.

Arul, why are you deviating from the focal point here. I mentioned it as a possibility to brand every misdeed done as LTTE.


I don't want to have argument again on the 'attack on Sabarimala devotees' by unknown elements or mullaperiyar issue, but what I understand was some isolated stone throwing instances. And it was REPORTED in the media and chances of such elements taking advantage of the situation. And if any other instances of stopping or disturbing sabarimala devotees at the border, it is the act of local people only and not a terrorist organisation.

So Kerala Media doubted not only LTTE, but the other fringe elements also.

Coming to LTTE, it doesn't mean that the organisation as such is alive or doing anything. It could be the sympathisers, or leftover factions or the like. And I am not sure about this as I have little knowledge/expsoure on this issue.

Are you saying that ending the 20+ year old war was the wrong thing to do?

you are missing the point what happened in Sri lanka was a genocide

It is not one case that the film advances, but four: “the deliberate heavy shelling of civilians and a hospital in the ‘No Fire Zone’; the strategic denial of food and medicines to hundreds and thousands of trapped civilians — defying the legal obligation to allow humanitarian aid into a war zone; the killing of civilians during the ‘rescue mission’; and the systematic execution of naked and bound LTTE prisoners”

Are you saying that ending the 20+ year old war was the wrong thing to do?

Its good the war ended but we still never learnt anything from the outcome of this war,
the problem is the Tamils were not united , people here will never believe their fellowmen, its a disease or shows our backwardness and ignorance.

you are missing the point what happened in Sri lanka was a genocide

Very far from genocide in my opinion.

Looks like every guy believes terrorists can only come from other states except theirs.

Its good the war ended but we still never learnt anything from the outcome of this war,
the problem is the Tamils were not united , people here will never believe their fellowmen, its a disease or shows our backwardness and ignorance.

Perhaps the message is that supporting a terrorist organisation and claiming it as the "sole representatives" of a group of people never brings good results? Ethnic tribalism is a backward concept and it played a huge role, in my opinion, for the quite obvious lack of opposition to the LTTE from within the Tamil community itself. Basically, supporting a murderer because he/she happens to share the same ethnicity, while totally ignoring the actual crimes they have committed. The LTTE wanted war, and that is what it got in the end. It was given enough opportunities to reach a negotiated settlement.

Very far from genocide in my opinion.


Perhaps, as an Indian agent sent on a mission, you can keep your opinion to your self . You are not the victim or party involve. Theres enough evidence to prove war crime ...

It is not one case that the film advances, but four: “the deliberate heavy shelling of civilians and a hospital in the ‘No Fire Zone’; the strategic denial of food and medicines to hundreds and thousands of trapped civilians — defying the legal obligation to allow humanitarian aid into a war zone; the killing of civilians during the ‘rescue mission’; and the systematic execution of naked and bound LTTE prisoners”

Perhaps, as an Indian agent sent on a mission, you can keep your opinion to your self . You are not the victim or party involve. Theres enough evidence to prove war crime ...

There is no such thing as a "clean war." People die in wars, basically it is hell. The LTTE was not amenable to peaceful negotiations and I think it needed to be taken out eventually. And that is what happened after numerous peace talks. Did people die? Yes, but they have been dying for more than 20 years. Sri Lanka in particular, and the region in general is all the more safer after the destruction of the Tamil Tigers.

Where was all this "emotion" when the LTTE was around?

Assuming what you say is true. Justice is delivered. Prabhakaran and his innocent progenies are no more

Where is justice now for the atrocities of SL administration, what would you recommend here?

@Deamino - Don't confuse the issues here

(1) Ethnic tamils are SL citizens.
(2) Protecton of life for every citizen is the govt. prerogative.

What Srilanka did after LTTE surrendered was ethnic cleansing and genocide and is responsible for it.

Perhaps the message is that supporting a terrorist organisation and claiming it as the "sole representatives" of a group of people never brings good results? Ethnic tribalism is a backward concept and it played a huge role, in my opinion, for the quite obvious lack of opposition to the LTTE from within the Tamil community itself. Basically, supporting a murderer because he/she happens to share the same ethnicity, while totally ignoring the actual crimes they have committed. The LTTE wanted war, and that is what it got in the end. It was given enough opportunities to reach a negotiated settlement.

Sorry I am not talking about LTTE, 80% TN people here never supported LTTE and its activities.

Perhaps the message is that supporting a terrorist organisation and claiming it as the "sole representatives" of a group of people never brings good results? Ethnic tribalism is a backward concept and it played a huge role, in my opinion, for the quite obvious lack of opposition to the LTTE from within the Tamil community itself. Basically, supporting a murderer because he/she happens to share the same ethnicity, while totally ignoring the actual crimes they have committed. The LTTE wanted war, and that is what it got in the end. It was given enough opportunities to reach a negotiated settlement.

LTTE was a creation of India and why was that so ?

Why was there a need to fight a war the Sinhalese majority if they have treated Tamils as equal citizens ? You need to look back into Sri Lanka's ethnic cleansing history which started immediately after independence.

As a third party either you are ignorant or feign ignorance to the truth that caused the ethnic war !!!

So my suggestion, keep your opinion to yourself and not think through your India nationalistc len, with your half baked history of Ceylon !

@Deamino - Don't confuse the issues here

(1) Ethnic tamils are SL citizens.
(2) Protecton of life for every citizen is the govt. prerogative.

What Srilanka did after LTTE surrendered was ethnic cleansing and genocide and is responsible for it.

and a so called democratic country can do these to its own citizens , what does this proof ?

It is not one case that the film advances, but four: “the deliberate heavy shelling of civilians and a hospital in the ‘No Fire Zone’; the strategic denial of food and medicines to hundreds and thousands of trapped civilians — defying the legal obligation to allow humanitarian aid into a war zone; the killing of civilians during the ‘rescue mission’; and the systematic execution of naked and bound LTTE prisoners”

Mr Krishna says. "Singalese are from the land of Kosars, the present day Orissa/Chatisgarh,Jharkand area."

If our external minister had made this kind of irresponsible statement, I don't know whether even god can save our foreign policy.

Singalese are not Indians and they can never have the values of Indians.
But srilankan Tamils have indian values and are never safe in srilanka and with Indian govt not helping them and terming them also as LTTE supporters there is no future for srilankan tamils. I feel let them all migrate to Canada and USA so they can live better.
A new trend I see lot of SL tamils working in Duncan donuts, subway etc for Guju owners and having pretty nice relationship because of the Indian values.

@Deamino - Don't confuse the issues here

(1) Ethnic tamils are SL citizens.
(2) Protecton of life for every citizen is the govt. prerogative.

What Srilanka did after LTTE surrendered was ethnic cleansing and genocide and is responsible for it.

Actually

(1) Only ethnic Tamils who hold Sri Lankan citizenship are Sri Lankan citizens. The vast majority of ethnic Tamils are Indians, holding Indian citizenship. Other significant groups of ethnic Tamils exist in Malaysia and Singapore.

(2) Agree

The LTTE took a large Tamil population as hostages and held them as human shields. After the destruction of the LTTE, many Tamil Tigers mingled with the civilian population. They needed to be weeded out, or else the LTTE would have restarted its campaign of violence. There would have been no point in taking the war to its logical conclusion, to only see war restart a few months later.

"Ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are just flash words bandied about in emotional outbursts. If that were the actual case, the Sri Lankan government could have easily taken out the entire civilian population after the end of the LTTE. It did not:

Hey, wait a moment, I got confused now. Why did they stop? Would it not have been more logical to just keep shelling and shelling and kill every one there? All the Tamils in one fell swoop. I mean, there were they right? Why even bother with camps and that whole fuss and bother?

http://www.pjeganathan.org/south-paw/

Meanwhile, the vast majority of Tamils in Sri Lanka lived outside the northern province where all the war was taking place in peace with their non-Tamil neighbours. During that time, the representatives of the Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka (Ceylon Workers Congress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceylon_Workers'_Congress ) were a part of the current Sri Lankan government. They still are.

I do not doubt that many civilians died towards the end of the war. But I also think the time had come for the LTTE to be defeated once and for all.

Why must it take the white men to fight for the injustice done to Tamils , where is the Indians of Mahatma Gandhi ?

Is it because Tamils are perceived to be Dravidians and Sinhalese to be Aryans, so Indians have a natural affinity ?

LTTE was a creation of India and why was that so ?

Why was there a need to fight a war the Sinhalese majority if they have treated Tamils as equal citizens ? You need to look back into Sri Lanka's ethnic cleansing history which started immediately after independence.

As a third party either you are ignorant or feign ignorance to the truth that caused the ethnic war !!!

So my suggestion, keep your opinion to yourself and not think through your India nationalistc len, with your half baked history of Ceylon !

How far back in history do you wish to go?

The fact is that for the last 20+ years there was a vicious war raging in Sri Lanka with many people dying on both sides.

The LTTE was presented with many opportunities to seek a negotiated settlement.

It did not.

And Tamil civil society did not voice their opposition to this.

The last conflict was - yet again - set off by the LTTE:


I think the conduct of the Tigers since 2005 has been despicable and their actions have worsened the plight of the Tamils immeasurably.

To start with, the Tigers organised the boycott of the election that ensured that Ranil Wickremesinghe, architect of the Ceasefire Agreement (CFA) would be defeated. Many speculated that the boycott was organised in concert with the opposition candidate, DBS Jeyaraj certainly seems to think so. RW lost the election by a shade over 180,000 votes, the Jaffna vote alone could have carried him to victory.

The Tigers thus ditched the man responsible for the CFA and elected someone who campaigned on a platform discrediting it. They next went a step further and provoked a conflict by deliberately cutting off the water supply to farmers. It is true that MR campaigned on an anti-CFA platform, but that was just a ploy to get elected, no one seriously contemplated abandoning the CFA. They even had a round or two of talks with the LTTE, after being elected.

It seems rather strange, given the amount of mud that has been thrown on the CFA to recall that the regime actually held talks with the Tigers and to find that the leader of the government delegation "reiterated the government's commitment to peace talks".

In this context it is worth noting that it took the Government a full three years before they finally decided to abrogate the CFA in 2008, so clearly it was far from useless or harmful. If it was, they certainly took their time about deciding on it.

Having restarted the war, the Tigers then turned it into a personal conflict by the bomb attack on the Defence Secretary and a key lieutenant, Sarath Fonseka. Until then it was just another battle, once these two people were attacked there would be no turning back.

http://jestforkicks.blogspot.com.au/2011/07/politics-in-blogosphere.html


Except this time, there was a conclusion to the war.

The LTTE took a large Tamil population as hostages and held them as human shields. After the destruction of the LTTE, many Tamil Tigers mingled with the civilian population. They needed to be weeded out, or else the LTTE would have restarted its campaign of violence. There would have been no point in taking the war to its logical conclusion, to only see war restart a few months later.

"Ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are just flash words bandied about in emotional outbursts. If that were the actual case, the Sri Lankan government could have easily taken out the entire civilian population after the end of the LTTE. It did not:


This was part of the Lankan propaganda and excuse to bomb and kill civilian

because their subsequent action proved the contrary

and the systematic execution of naked and bound LTTE prisoners”

Lankan high command had no intention of taking life LTTE POWs and the rest is BS for Indians to swallow

Actually

(1) Only ethnic Tamils who hold Sri Lankan citizenship are Sri Lankan citizens. The vast majority of ethnic Tamils are Indians, holding Indian citizenship. Other significant groups of ethnic Tamils exist in Malaysia and Singapore.

I meant only the citizens of SL which I'm not still sure recognises them as citizens (or) provided equal rights.

(2) Agree


The LTTE took a large Tamil population as hostages and held them as human shields. After the destruction of the LTTE, many Tamil Tigers mingled with the civilian population. They needed to be weeded out, or else the LTTE would have restarted its campaign of violence. There would have been no point in taking the war to its logical conclusion, to only see war restart a few months later.

All your usual srilankan krap. That doesn't allow SL Army and RP goonda's to indiscriminately kill innocent civilians.


"Ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are just flash words bandied about in emotional outbursts. If that were the actual case, the Sri Lankan government could have easily taken out the entire civilian population after the end of the LTTE. It did not. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Tamils in Sri Lanka lived outside the northern province where all the war was taking place in peace with their non-Tamil neighbours. During that time, the representatives of the Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka (Ceylon Workers Congress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceylon_Workers'_Congress ) were a part of the current Sri Lankan government. They still are.

I do not doubt that many civilians died towards the end of the war. But I also think the time had come for the LTTE to be defeated once and for all.

You cannot create your own history.....Killing 40000 innocent people of a particular community is genocide and SL supported that notion in the case IRAQ and else where supporting America.

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20120316-333873.html

http://www.asiaone.com/A1MEDIA/news/03Mar12/20120316.180131_tabla_chinese.jpg

It should be Chennai not Mumbai

Chinese family in Mumbai doesn't speak Mandarin

Meeting Mr Shieh Sen, 63, for the first time, I instinctively put out my hand and said hello. He responded with "vanakkam" and the typical Indian namaste before reaching out to shake my hand.

"Vaanga! Ukkarunga, irunga en manaivi, magan, marumagalai kooppiduren," he added in clear Tamil (Come in! Please sit down, hold on, I will call my wife, son and daughter-in-law).

After meeting the family, I continued conversing with Mr Sen... in Tamil. "My father landed in colonial India almost 80 years ago. He was a dentist... and after World War II broke out, he decided to make Madras his home," he explained.

Mr Sen did his medical degree in Andhra Pradesh and his postgraduate degree in Chennai's Madras Medical College. His resume boasts a fellowship in HIV medicine and a diploma in traditional acupuncture. He was also awarded the prestigious lifetime achievement award by the Medical Board of India for his 30 years of service in a suburban area of Chennai.

He and his wife Shirley - she is a dentist and her father owned a Chinese restaurant in Coimbatore - ran their own hospital for over 20 years before closing it down. Their children - Christopher, 28, and Jennifer, 25 - are dentists too.

As the conversation progressed in Tamil, it dawned on me that this Chinese family has been well "Indianised". But I was in for another surprise... Mr Christopher revealed that he does not know how to speak his mother tongue, Mandarin!

"I grew up in Chennai, had Tamil friends, love authentic Tamil food. My parents did not speak Mandarin at home. English was the chosen mode of communication and I never had the opportunity to speak Chinese," said Mr Christopher, who is married to a Malayalee - 28-year-old Serin is a doctor at the famed Apollo Hospital's emergency unit.

In fact, when the Sens visited their ancestral village in China in 2000, Mr Sen had to play translator between his relatives and his son. But that does not irk Mr Christopher one bit.

"We have made Tamil Nadu our homeland. I feel more at home in Chennai than anywhere else in the world, even China," he exclaimed. "This land had given us everything. We owe whatever we have to Tamil Nadu and the Tamil people."

It is this gratitude that has made him take part in a rural social service mission every weekend with the Red Cross of India. And Indian food is part of the Sen family's favourite culinary outings. But to truly get a measure of how Tamil these Chinese folk have become, one needs to talk movies. Mr Cristopher's favourite actor is Rajinikanth and he catches every Rajini movie on the day it is released. His dad, on the other hand, still prefers Shivaji Ganesan and MGR.

Sorry I am not talking about LTTE, 80% TN people here never supported LTTE and its activities.

Perhaps. But has anyone in Tamil Nadu immolated themselves to protest against the LTTE using Tamil children as child soldiers and cannon fodder?

Has anyone in Tamil Nadu gone on a fast to demand that the LTTE stop its suicide bombings, and end the killing of non-Tamils?

Has anyone in Tamil Nadu attacked political groups like Vaiko, Nedumaran over their open support for the LTTE?

I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same.

If I am not mistaken the Tamil community consists of around 5-6% of India's population. That means 95-96% of India's population is not Tamil.

That 95-96% of India's population, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. That is, the vast, vast majority of Indians, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. Infact, I would say most Indians likely view Sri Lanka through favourable eyes, or if not, with indifference.

While imperfect, the Indian government is representative of the Indian population and it generally looks after Indian interests, not regional interests of a particular ethnic group. There may be exceptions, I am sure. But I think Subramaniya Swamy is looking at political issues through an Indian lens, rather than an ethnic lens.

What the heck just because only punjabis,Guju, and Rajasthan suffered during partition tamils didnt suffer can we say tamils are having friendly feelings towards pak people. Dont they align with Indian sentiment. What are you trying to prove here.:bash:

+1 Agree. This guy doesn't understand what diversity is all about.

How far back in history do you wish to go?

The fact is that for the last 20+ years there was a vicious war raging in Sri Lanka with many people dying on both sides.

The LTTE was presented with many opportunities to seek a negotiated settlement.

It did not.

And Tamil civil society did not voice their opposition to this.

The last conflict was - yet again - set off by the LTTE:


Except this time, there was a conclusion to the war.

The way this violence is heading, I dont think this is a conclusion.. just a pause.. SL can never justify the killings it is doing now, after the LTTE has been wiped out.

India has to step up and do something.. we cannot expect MMS to do anything worthwhile. Where innocent people are being killed and we are just watching.. this is nothing to do with Tamils. think just humans in the neighborhood..

Tamils were ill treated for a long time.. thats the reason why there was a liberation movement... which got ugly.. but the basic question of second class treatment for Tamils still continue..

RP must be held accountable.. but thats not going to happen if India is quiet.. If India disowns its responsibility, it will pay a big price for decades to come. We must act decisively.. not with weapons, but with strategy.. This bloodshed has lasted for decades... time for a peaceful longlasting solution.

All your usual srilankan krap. That doesn't allow SL Army and RP goonda's to indiscriminately kill innocent civilians.

When the LTTE started attacking the Sri Lankan security forces from within a civilian population, I think the SL government had to make a decision whether to continue with the offensive and finish off the LTTE, or stall and possibly let them escape. In my opinion, this is exactly what the LTTE wanted - a humanitarian crises, so that the leadership could live to see another day. You can argue about whether it was right or wrong, but what happened at the Golden Temple?

Three years ago, Vellupillai Prabhakaran made a bet. He bet that if he surrounded himself with thousands of hostages, the Sri Lankan Army wouldn’t dare attack. In this bet, he counted on international pressure to force the government’s hand. But the Army did attack, they did finish the war and Prabhakaran lost that bet along with his life. Yet the dice still spin.
http://indi.ca/2012/03/prabhakarans-play-background-to-the-war-crimes-debate/

Also, at this point in time, Tamil politicians and Tamil civil society could have called upon the LTTE to declare a ceasefire and release all the civilians it was holding hostage and let the army and the LTTE fight it out to the bitter end. But they did not. And the LTTE refused to let Tamil civilians leave their grip. What would you have done?

You cannot create your own history.....Killing 40000 innocent people of a particular community is genocide and SL supported that notion in the case IRAQ and else where supporting America.

40 000 is a figure with no real basis. But with a large emotional impact.

The way this violence is heading, I dont think this is a conclusion.. just a pause.. SL can never justify the killings it is doing now, after the LTTE has been wiped out.

India has to step up and do something.. we cannot expect MMS to do anything worthwhile. Where innocent people are being killed and we are just watching.. this is nothing to do with Tamils. think just humans in the neighborhood..

Tamils were ill treated for a long time.. thats the reason why there was a liberation movement... which got ugly.. but the basic question of second class treatment for Tamils still continue..

RP must be held accountable.. but thats not going to happen if India is quiet.. If India disowns its responsibility, it will pay a big price for decades to come. We must act decisively.. not with weapons, but with strategy.. This bloodshed has lasted for decades... time for a peaceful longlasting solution.

In your opinion, what rights are granted to other Sri Lankans that are not granted to Tamils?

How far back in history do you wish to go?

The fact is that for the last 20+ years there was a vicious war raging in Sri Lanka with many people dying on both sides..

its funny how you selectively choose LTTE terrorism AND MISS Lankan state sponsored terrorism inflicted upon TamilS since independence .

In response to the parliamentary act that made Sinhala the sole official language (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/wiki/Sinhala_Only_Act) in 1956, Federal MPs (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/wiki/Member_of_Parliament) staged a non violent (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance) sit in (satyagraha (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/wiki/Satyagraha)) protest, but it was broken up by a nationalist mob. The police and other state authorities present at the location failed to take action to stop the violence. The FP was cast as scapegoats (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/wiki/Scapegoats) and were briefly banned after the 1958 riots (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/wiki/Sri_Lankan_riots_of_1958) in which many were killed and thousands of Tamils forced to flee their homes.

LTTE terrorism was a by product of Sinhala state terrorism initially nurtured by India's RAW with Indira's blessing.

Why LTTE rejected ceasefire, because theY never trusted the Lankans, Even after 3 years, Tamils are still kept in IDP camps away from foreign eyes . Does a concentration Nazi camp sound familiar to you ?

deamino

you registered in March 2012 , made 21 postings all in support of Sri Lanka war crimes , says alot about who you really are, your ulterior motives and what you choose to project !!

Quote:
Originally Posted by deamino
I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same.

If I am not mistaken the Tamil community consists of around 5-6% of India's population. That means 95-96% of India's population is not Tamil.

That 95-96% of India's population, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. That is, the vast, vast majority of Indians, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. Infact, I would say most Indians likely view Sri Lanka through favourable eyes, or if not, with indifference.

While imperfect, the Indian government is representative of the Indian population and it generally looks after Indian interests, not regional interests of a particular ethnic group. There may be exceptions, I am sure. But I think Subramaniya Swamy is looking at political issues through an Indian lens, rather than an ethnic lens.

This is a very very dangerous thought process.. Your two kidneys also represent similar proportion.. can we remove them..

Its ridiculous to say Indian interests do not encompass tamil interests.. so if PAK invades Punjab is it not invading India.. 95% of the country also is not affected by the invasion..

TamilNadu is not outside India. I agree there are ethnic interests at play, but understand that only Hindi interests are not Indian.. We are a land of diversity.

I totally disagree with your thoughts and words 100%.

This is a human situation in SL. What happened in Rwanda is happening in slow motion.. just spread over years and decades.

Can TN alone take a stance... wont it be an Indian stance ?? The bane of TN politics is 100% disunity on topics and 100% personality based brain numbing politics. Waking up CG is hard as unifying these polarized figures in TN.

We have to make some strong moves.. It may not be just piggybacking US. Its high time, we understand that its our own backyard.

In your opinion, what rights are granted to other Sri Lankans that are not granted to Tamils?

The right to live decently and prosper.. The right for having a peace.. The right not to be ill treated due to their minority status.

This was part of the Lankan propaganda and excuse to bomb and kill civilian

because their subsequent action proved the contrary

How so? if the Sri Lankan government wanted to, it could have easily killed every single Tamil civilian that the LTTE held hostage. But that did not happen. Infact, after the screening process, most of these refugees were released from camps in batches.


Lankan high command had no intention of taking life LTTE POWs and the rest is BS for Indians to swallow

Well many Indians themselves will wonder whether the LTTE deserved to be taken as POWs. Did Prabhakaran after everything he did? I do think the top ranking LTTE cadres were taken out. Perhaps it was wrong from a humanitarian point of view, but security wise I think it is just too risky having them lying about ready to start another insurgency - kinda like having Bin Laden and his subordinates in custody but still around with their contacts. Question is how many POWs did the LTTE have? The answer seems to be a big zero - meaning they killed every single POW they had. Yet there are more than 5000+ LTTE cadres in the custody of the Sri Lankan government - they could all have been killed, but they weren't. Many of them have been rehabilitated, and released into society:

1800 former LTTE cadre released
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2500787.ece

Another batch of rehabilitated LTTE cadres released
http://www.ft.lk/2012/01/23/another-batch-of-rehabilitated-ltte-cadres-released/

Sri Lanka frees 73 rehabilitated ex-LTTE members
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sri-lanka-frees-73-rehabilitated-exltte-members/902635/

104 Ex LTTE Female Cadres visit Parliament Today
http://news.lk/news/sri-lanka/941-ex-ltte-female-cadres-tp-visit-parliament-today

Loans facilities to rehabilitated LTTE cadres for self-employment
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20120302_03

Norway contributes to rehabilitation of former LTTE cadres
Sri Lanka has released, in batches, most of the former LTTE cadre, barring the hardcore ones, charged with serious offences. The last batch of 400 former LTTE cadres was released last week.

Rehabilitation and re-integration into society of the former LTTE cadre has been a difficult task. According to anecdotal accounts, while the society itself is not very welcoming of the LTTE cadre, many of those former LTTE cadres are not used to living in homes. Realising this, many countries, including India and Norway have contributed in diverse ways to help the war-torn society get back to normalcy.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2591139.ece

ஆங்கில மொழியின் தோற்றம்

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9uoKxJWv12U

How so? if the Sri Lankan government wanted to, it could have easily killed every single Tamil civilian that the LTTE held hostage. But that did not happen. Infact, after the screening process, most of these refugees were released from camps in batches.




Well many Indians themselves will wonder whether the LTTE deserved to be taken as POWs. Did Prabhakaran after everything he did? I do think the top ranking LTTE cadres were taken out. Perhaps it was wrong from a humanitarian point of view, but security wise I think it is just too risky having them lying about ready to start another insurgency - kinda like having Bin Laden and his subordinates in custody but still around with their contacts. Question is how many POWs did the LTTE have? The answer seems to be a big zero - meaning they killed every single POW they had. Yet there are more than 5000+ LTTE cadres in the custody of the Sri Lankan government - they could all have been killed, but they weren't. Many of them have been rehabilated, and released into society:

1800 former LTTE cadre released
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2500787.ece

Another batch of rehabilitated LTTE cadres released
http://www.ft.lk/2012/01/23/another-batch-of-rehabilitated-ltte-cadres-released/

104 Ex LTTE Female Cadres visit Parliament Today
http://news.lk/news/sri-lanka/941-ex-ltte-female-cadres-tp-visit-parliament-today

Loans facilities to rehabilitated LTTE cadres for self-employment
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20120302_03

This guy is running SL propaganda war and not Indian POV.

The right to live decently and prosper.. The right for having a peace.. The right not to be ill treated due to their minority status.

No, I mean particular rights that are granted to non-Tamil Sri Lankans but not to Tamil Sri Lankans.

deamino

Its pointless discussing with an ALIEN agent sent by RAW to demonise Tamils human rights and justify Lankan war crimes with false propaganda.

FYI, these were children forcibly taken away from their families to be "rehabilitated" and Sinhalasied , they are no LTTE cadres, only a fool will fall into your trap !!

1800 former LTTE cadre released
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2500787.ece

Another batch of rehabilitated LTTE cadres released
http://www.ft.lk/2012/01/23/another-batch-of-rehabilitated-ltte-cadres-released/

Sri Lanka frees 73 rehabilitated ex-LTTE members
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sri-lanka-frees-73-rehabilitated-exltte-members/902635/

104 Ex LTTE Female Cadres visit Parliament Today
http://news.lk/news/sri-lanka/941-ex-ltte-female-cadres-tp-visit-parliament-today

Loans facilities to rehabilitated LTTE cadres for self-employment
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20120302_03[/QUOTE]

This is a very very dangerous thought process.. Your two kidneys also represent similar proportion.. can we remove them..

Its ridiculous to say Indian interests do not encompass tamil interests.. so if PAK invades Punjab is it not invading India.. 95% of the country also is not affected by the invasion..

TamilNadu is not outside India. I agree there are ethnic interests at play, but understand that only Hindi interests are not Indian.. We are a land of diversity.

I totally disagree with your thoughts and words 100%.

This is a human situation in SL. What happened in Rwanda is happening in slow motion.. just spread over years and decades.

Can TN alone take a stance... wont it be an Indian stance ?? The bane of TN politics is 100% disunity on topics and 100% personality based brain numbing politics. Waking up CG is hard as unifying these polarized figures in TN.

We have to make some strong moves.. It may not be just piggybacking US. Its high time, we understand that its our own backyard.


I did not say that Indian interests do not encompass Tamil interests. I said that they may converge but they are not the same.

Sri Lanka is not invading India is it? Or is it? Unlike the relationship between Pakistan and India there is very little bad blood between India and Sri Lanka. Infact, these two countries probably have one of the the best country to country relationships in South Asia - both economically and politically.

Tamil Nadu or segments of it may be all emotional over the situation in Sri Lanka, but that does not mean that the other 95% of India is as well.

At the end of the day Sri Lankan Tamils are Sri Lankan citizens, not Indian citizens. The issue is that many seem to think that India should "do something" because of an ethnic affinity. That means that it is ok, say, for Muslims in Pakistan to want the Pakistani government to "do something" for the Muslims of India/Kashmir who they might see as being oppressed and persecuted -- say, like funding an armed group or through random acts of terrorism? It would be ok, say, for China to fund the Maoists and speak for them because they are being "persecuted" by the central government? I think the Indian government is quite mindful of all these issues.

If anything the closest "Indian citizens" in Sri Lanka would be the Indian origin Tamils of the island. But they have no part in the conflict, and are well integrated into mainstream Sri Lankan politics, being a part of the current government as well - this despite probably being one of the most depressed communities in the island. But even all of them have Sri Lankan citzenship (only) now.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2550/38699010968156581370210.jpg

இருபது ஆண் விடுதலைபுலிகளோடு ஓர் இரவில் இருந்தேன் .ஒரு நொடிப்பொழுதுகூட பெண் என்ற பாதுகாப்பின்மயை நான் உணரவில்லை. தம்பிகளுக்கும் தனது ஒழுக்க நெறிகளை விதைத்து வளர்த்தியவர் பிராபகரன் . உன்னதமான உயர்ந்த போராளிகள் விடுதலைப்புலிகள்... (அனிதாபிரதாப் இந்திய பெண்செய்தியாளர்)

Source : FB

Then what about the Indian fishermen killing by SL navy. They are Indian citizens, what did Indian Govt. do ? Is it only Tamil Issue?

I think that the issue is diverted here. Only selective facts are written to suit their argument.

I will throw more light to have a clearer picture. First I will explain the militant struggle and after that Human Rights violation.

Jaffna Tamils are the natives of Ceylon / Sri Lanka and they preceded or have been co existing with Sinhala people for so many centuries. During British rule, British employed more Jaffna Tamils in important Govt posts due to their education. Comparatively Sinhala people were not able to get higher posts in the Govt, mainly sue to their easy going nature. This created the first rift between them - Elite Class vs Common class.

British also took Indian born Tamils esp from Trichy, East & Southern districts of TN for employment in the tea estates in Central & South Srilanka. They were not treated as equals by both Jaffna Tamils & Sinhalese. They were not made citizens of Srilanka also. Indian Govt signed agreements with SL Govt for them but nothing was implemented.

When the Sinhala people were in majority in Central, Central west and South Srilanka, Tamils were in majority in North, North East SL. Tamil Speaking Muslims were in majority in East. The Sinhala majority Govt whether by UNP / SLFP were managing the governance by roping in Thondaiman of Ceylon Workers Congress (who represented the Indian Tamils in the estates) and some centrist parties in Jaffna.

When the Sinhala majority Govt started imposing reservations in Edu seats, higher cut off marks for Tamil students than Sinhalese Studdents, Less jobs for Tamils etc, the resentment among the Jaffna Tamils was growing. TULF was the major party representing Jaffna Tamiils then and they were represented in the parliament. Selva & Amirthalingam were the top Tamil Leaders then.

But due to the majority of the UNP / SLFP, many proposals to remedy the situation were rejected. Added to that JVP (A leftist Sinhala fanatic Party) also emerged and their MPs were crucial for the majority at the Parliament at one time.

Since TULF was not able to gain anything much politically, the younger Tamils under the Leadership of V. Prabhakaran and others started their own Guerrilla outfits in North & East SL. Till 1980, there were almost 10 such organisations in Jaffna.

Almost all of them were looking for help from the Indian & Tamilnadu Govt to sustain the struggle. Most of them used to keep sneaking into India to escape from SL Army. There was even a gun fight between LTTE & ERPLF in Pondy Bazaar. Prabakaran was arrested by TN police for that. ERPLF people created havoc in Choolaimedu area and the then DMK CM instructed Police not to arrest them as he was then for ERPLF & against LTTE.

When MGR became CM, he financed LTTE as he felt that only LTTE can withstand SL Army as he felt that they are more committed. (Incidentally, MGR is a malayalee from Sri Lanka).

Then the big turning point incident happened. LTTE killed some SL Army soldiers in an ambush and the Sinhala parties paraded their dead bodies in the public and raised a huge frenzy. Some of the LTTE cadre who were in Jail like Kuttimani (his eyes were removed) were tortured and killed. The Sinhala majority in South & Central Hill areas started killing the Indian Tamils who were living there as a minority. Tamils were looted, women were raped and children were orphaned. ( Some of my friends' families were badly affected during this). Those who had relatives and roots in TN started migrating to India as refugees and SL Govt was happy to allow them to go out of SL.

Unfortunately, Jaffna Tamils & the militant outfits like LTTE never supported the plight of Indian Tamils as they were only keen on Tamil Eezham at North & NE SL.

Then the Indian Govt & TN Govt took a major official decision of supporting the militants of North & NE SL. Training camps were set up in TN and other parts of India for them and Indian Army was involved in giving training and financial support.

When Srilankan army was denying food & other essential artcles to the common people of North & East SL, Indian Govt flew Air sorties to Srilanka and dropped food.

The PM of SL was Jayawardhane at that time. He was more experienced and wily than the novice Rajiv Gandhi who had just taken over after his mother Indira Gandhi's death. He tricked RG onto signing an agreement with SL Govt without consulting the key Tamil parties & Tamil Militants.

India sent IPKF into SL to control the North & East SL and to enforce the peace treaty, which was supposed to be for the very same people.

LTTE till then was having supremacy over the SL Army since they were well trained in both Guerilla warfare as well as using conventional formations in battle fields (trained by Indian army). But LTTE was no match to the well organised IPKF.

So LTTE changed tactics and started using Tamil commoners as their shields. Meanwhile Premadasa became the PM of SL and he was also a street smart fellow. He was afraid that if he allowed IPKF to remain in SL for more time, he would lose control and India may gain control.

Premadasa & LTTE teamed up and issued a Joint statement saying that Sri Lanka is their country and India as a foreign force does not have a role to play in Srilanka. They created all sorts of troubles for IPKF.

The then chief of IPKF lamented that Indian Govt was asking them to fight LTTE after tying the Army's hands in the back - meaning that Indian Govt was not clear in its goal.

IPKF, being a military outfit was not used to gracefulness of a local police force and have been trained in brute warfare. So when LTTE started killing them, they went berserk. Then the Indian Govt, facing the opposition from both SL Govt & LTTE and also the Indian local political parties decided to withdraw from Srilanka.

After this Premadasa & LTTE parted company as they have accomplished their goal of making India quit from SL soil. LTTE grew very strongly as they had the financial support of migrated diaspora from Jaffna. They also resorted to smuggling fuel & food from TN and arms from Thailand & west Asia / Europe.

LTTE eliminated all the other Tamil militant outfits (Hawks) and the top leaders of TULF (Doves) and became the only force in the North & North East of SL. They became so powerful that they could fly into Colombo airport and destroy planes there and escape. Similarly the Sea Tigers were dreaded in those parts of SL seas.

When Ranil became the PM, he sincerely tried to make peace with the Tamils and India was also supporting his initiatives.

The LTTE's decision of killing Rajiv Gandhi was the biggest blunder, committed by them strategically at least. Post RG assassination, both TN Govt (JJ) and Indian Govt totally stopped all activities of the sympathisers and prevented Indian soil from being used by them.

When Sonia became powerful in Delhi, Indian Govt openly / covertly helped the SL Govt by supplying arms and training their army.

Meanwhile Rajapakse usurped power from Sirimavo's daughter Chandrika and he used the rivalry between India & Pakistan and India & China very well and got aids from all three. Since LTTE cadre as trainees were fighting with Palestines in Palestine against Israel, Israel also helped SL Govt to eliminate LTTE.

All of us know what happened after this. LTTE was eliminated and SL Army occupied the North & North East which was claimed as Eezham territory.

I will continue the Human Rights violations in my next post.

you registered in March 2012 , made 21 postings all in support of Sri Lanka war crimes , says alot about who you really are, your ulterior motives and what you choose to project !!

My guess - It is some well known active profile of SSC India. :lol:

its funny how you selectively choose LTTE terrorism AND MISS Lankan state sponsored terrorism inflicted upon TamilS since independence .

LTTE terrorism was a by product of Sinhala state terrorism initially nurtured by India's RAW with Indira's blessing.

Why LTTE rejected ceasefire, because theY never trusted the Lankans, Even after 3 years, Tamils are still kept in IDP camps away from foreign eyes . Does a concentration Nazi camp sound familiar to you ?

You are more than welcome to go back to 200 BC if you wish.

But the political reality was of a government of Sri Lanka and the LTTE at odds with each other for the past 20+ years. This was the reality on the ground. The LTTE was never a legitimate organisation. It was never voted into power or could claim the backing of the people through the electorate. Prabhakaran himself was a petty criminal who took part in the assassination of the mayor of Jaffna Alfred Duraiappah [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Duraiappah. But let us say that its existence was totally justified to keep you happy. Why did it not seek a negotiated settlement with the Sri Lankan government - why did it walk away from all the peace talks held over the years? Why did it sabotage the Indo-Lanka Accord, and the CFA of 2002? Why did it choose war and separatism and not accomodation? Surely the LTTE was cognizant of the fact that its actions would have direct effects on the lives of many Sri Lankan Tamils? Yet the LTTE, supported by many in the Tamil diaspora, and others in Tamil Nadu, continued along the path of war.

BTW, which Tamils are "still kept in IDP camps even after 3 years" in Sri Lanka?

And how long have Sri Lankan Tamil refugees been kept in IDP camps in Tamil Nadu?

@Kannan.. Very unbiased view... very closely matches my understanding over years.

I will throw more light to have a clearer picture. First I will explain the militant struggle

Thanks Kannan for the chronological narration of the whole episode.

Its pointless discussing with an ALIEN agent sent by RAW to demonise Tamils human rights and justify Lankan war crimes with false propaganda.

FYI, these were children forcibly taken away from their families to be "rehabilitated" and Sinhalasied , they are no LTTE cadres, only a fool will fall into your trap !!


Righteo...


IOM's Reintegration and Reconciliation Programme in Northern Sri Lanka Receives Support from Japan

Sri Lanka - The Government of Japan has contributed USD 1.5 million (Y122 million) to IOM for reintegration and reconciliation support in conflict-affected communities in the north of Sri Lanka.

The funding will contribute to human security and stability in the country through community-based projects and reconciliation activities targeting former Tamil Tiger (LTTE) cadres and vulnerable groups affected by the 27-year conflict in the area that ended in 2009.

A signing ceremony between Japanese Ambassador Nobuhito Hobo and IOM Chief of Mission Richard Danziger took place on 27th October at the Embassy of Japan in Colombo.

"We are confident that this aid will be effectively utilized to implement worthwhile initiatives to promote social and economic reintegration," said Ambassador Hobo.

IOM's programme for the reintegration of former LTTE cadres has been active since early 2009 in the east and expanded to the north a year later.

"The Government of Japan's global leadership in advocating for and contributing to human security is admirable. I am delighted that it has placed its confidence in IOM to support the reintegration of former LTTE cadres and their receiving communities," said Danziger.

IOM has to date provided direct assistance to some 3,000 former LTTE cadres. Its community development projects targeting vulnerable and displaced populations – whether due to conflict or natural disasters – have been implemented in all five districts of the Northern Province, as well as in other parts of Sri Lanka.

http://www.iom.int/jahia/Jahia/media/press-briefing-notes/pbnAS/cache/offonce/lang/en?entryId=30884

Sorry for the Long Posts. But I think that people here tell half truths & lies to justify their arguments.

Right from the SL independence, the major Sinhala Parties (actually jealous of Tamils as they were occupying all important posts in SL Govt bodies) were trying to take revenge against Tamils.

It started with denial of free / easy education, job opportunities etc and became more vigorous by punishing innocent common Tamils to take vengeance against the Tamil militants, who were well trained & more powerful.

The Indian Tamils were resigned to their fate as they were being punished by the Sinhalese majority (in revenge against Jaffna Tamils :nuts:). The SL army & police were effectively aiding the looters.

The Indian Tamils were neither supported by the Jaffna Tamils nor by the Indian Govt.

After 1983 riots, it became a war between SL Army & LTTE. SL Army started taking revenge against the common Tamil people of North & East SL. So the commoners were forced to take LTTE's help to escape from the SL Army. If not for LTTE's resistance, Tamil Race would have been eliminated in North & NE SL long back.

LTTE was also no Doves. It is them who eliminated all other Tamil political leaders, rival militants belonging to other groups, common people who were opposed to their ideology.

They forcibly recruited children (minimum one from each family). They used commoners as human shields and did not mind them being killed for no faults of theirs. They resorted to Drugs smuggling to finance their arm deals. They used greedy Rameshwaram fishermen to smuggle Fuel and foodstuff and medicines from India to Jaffna.

They killed a former Indian PM in Indian soil and were instrumental in fanning hatred among Indians.

SL Army, after getting the help from India, China, Pakistan & Israel could do any thing against LTTE. Earlier they were afraid of LTTE's better prowess and trained cadres. This boosted their arrogance.

They were instructed to ethnically cleanse the North & North East so that Tamils can never become a majority in North & NE again. They did and are doing this systematically. Sinhala people and families of army soldiers are being accommodated in the erstwhile LTTE controlled areas. Many Hindu temples are being destroyed and Buddhist Viharas are being built at those places.

The videos brought by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar a few years back was the first set of videos which informed the world of the brutal methods employed by SL army to kill Tamils, rape women and kill even the kids. Of late more sets of videos are coming out in the open. If all the trophy videos, which were taken by the marauding SL soldiers are published, then the whole world will be shocked.

Actually I wanted to write about the atrocities in detail which were committed by SL Army. Since most of us have read and watched those videos, I refrain from that. It is also painful to write about that personally to me.

I still can not forget and when I recall how my friends' families landed in Trichy in early morning in 1983, tears well in my eyes. The women & kids could not sleep for months due to the traumatic experiences they had from SL Army. Their business which was more than 75 years old was totally destroyed and were made pauper overnight. Their properties were looted and encroached and were lost for ever.

I will explain the stand of Indian Govt post LTTE and Indians Fishermen's plight in my next post.

Right from the SL independence, the major Sinhala Parties (actually jealous of Tamils as they were occupying all important posts in SL Govt bodies) were trying to take revenge against Tamils..

idhe nammaoorla senja adhukku peru samooga needhi (reservation) avanga senja jealous'a? :lol:

great posts kannan Sir..

I had no idea..

idhe nammaoorla senja adhukku peru samooga needhi (reservation) avanga senja jealous'a? :lol:

illepa.. adhukku peru mandal (c)omission report. ;)

that being said, Tamils were penalised for being successful, which was the root of this crisis.

I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same.

If I am not mistaken the Tamil community consists of around 5-6% of India's population. That means 95-96% of India's population is not Tamil.

That 95-96% of India's population, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. That is, the vast, vast majority of Indians, in general, have no issues with Sri Lanka. Infact, I would say most Indians likely view Sri Lanka through favourable eyes, or if not, with indifference.

While imperfect, the Indian government is representative of the Indian population and it generally looks after Indian interests, not regional interests of a particular ethnic group. There may be exceptions, I am sure. But I think Subramaniya Swamy is looking at political issues through an Indian lens, rather than an ethnic lens.


Just for saying this,

" I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same. "

Could I ask you to shut up and move on...

Like TN, each and every state in India are equally important to Republic of India, by using % of population in your distorted view you have failed in number of ways, and shown your true colours.

People like these are the problem in Tinternet.

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great posts kannan Sir..

I had no idea..

adappavi... ideave illame krishnaswamya pottu thakkineye.. but kichavum sadarana allu ille.. :D

My guess - It is some well known active profile of SSC India. :lol:

Even I too suspect that, probably someone having a long spring break itching to go at some issue.:cheers:

adappavi... ideave illame krishnaswamya pottu thakkineye.. but kichavum sadarana allu ille.. :D

:lol:

Sir.. I meant not in such detail especially that there was division amongst tamils itself into Jaffna tamils and Indian Tamils.. Did everyone know this??

As someone said, disunity among us Tamils is a major problem pola..

Just for saying this,

" I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same. "

Could I ask you to shut up and move on...

Like TN, each and every state in India are equally important to Republic of India, by using % of population in your distorted view you have failed in number of ways, and shown your true colours.

People like these are the problem in Tinternet.

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Ideally that would be the case. But in reality I think you will agree it is a different matter. It is unreasonable for 5-6% of the population, for example, to dictate India's foreign policy, when what that 5-6% wants may be detrimental to Indian interests. Say the people of Sikkim want India to invade Tibet and "save the Tibetan people" - would that in India's interests or will it create other problems?

illepa.. adhukku peru mandal (c)omission report. ;)

that being said, Tamils were penalised for being successful, which was the root of this crisis.


appo oru language pesuravanga high positions'la iruntha adhukku peru successful, oru jaadhi karanga irundha adakkumuraya? :lol:

Thanks Kannan for brilliant and un-emotinal narration.

I think the biggest mistake done by LTTE is killing Rajiv.
Also LTTE is touted as the only organization that killed two country president did not go well with their cause.

Prabhakaran was a very decent and man with lot of confidence and authority and that helped him convince MGR(Being a srilankan born really understood the need for a separate ellam ) and Indira to get support.

Also it is true the people who got Sir under british in Srilanka are all tamilians if i remember correctly so that is the starting point of conflict.

Any how there is no justification for killings now in srilanka and the govt has to answer the world for its inhuman act.

The only solution for srilankans is to go to developed countries or live a life of fear in ceylon as India govenment is not in a mood to help them which is not acceptable.

Just for saying this,

" I think there is a difference between Indian interests and Tamil interests. The two may converge, but they are not the same. "

Could I ask you to shut up and move on...

Like TN, each and every state in India are equally important to Republic of India, by using % of population in your distorted view you have failed in number of ways, and shown your true colours.

People like these are the problem in Tinternet.

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True there are always forces trying to play into india's unity and India should slowly show to the world who we are .
Indians are always peace loving but wont let other go away by harming indians like the kerala fishermen story (Italian marines).
They should take some strong action against SL navy if they do to TN fishermen.

:lol:

Sir.. I meant not in such detail especially that there was division amongst tamils itself into Jaffna tamils and Indian Tamils.. Did everyone know this??

As someone said, disunity among us Tamils is a major problem pola..

I don't think many people know this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Tamils_of_Sri_Lanka

And I don't think that many people know that for many years, the party of the Indian origin Tamils in Sri Lanka (the Ceylon Workers Congress) was the kingmaker in the Sri Lankan political scene. That it was the linchpin of many Sri Lankan governments when they were engaged in war with the LTTE. That all the party needed to do was withdraw from the Sri Lankan government and the SL government would have collapsed, and all military operations would come to a halt until the next government was formed. But they never did so. Does than mean that the Indian origin Tamils of Sri Lanka were complicit in the alleged "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" of Tamils in Sri Lanka? Or was there more to it?

All the representatives of the Indian origin Tamils of Sri Lanka are currently a part of the Mahinda Rajapakse government. Are they also guilty of the alleged "genocide" of Sri Lankan Tamils?

Again. Sorry for the Long Posts.

We can have a few timeline based milestones;

Pre LTTE:

India was so insensitive to the plight of the Indian Tamils, settled in the estates. During Lal Bahadhur Shastri period, he tried to get permanent citizenship for them in SL but failed. SL Govt wanted their labor but was not ready to give them citizenship.

Indian Tamil's problems of Citizenship could have been solved once for all if the Congress Govt had acted with forethought.

LTTE Ascendance :

I am writing this from an Indian / Tamilian stand.

If the Indian Govt wanted to help SL Tamil militants to attain more power in a federal & political set up, they could have easily done that. It failed. Target was not clear.

When the Indian Govt decided to help the militants through finance & arms, they should have gone full steam ahead and should have achieved establishing the federal set up (even though it might have attracted the UN wrath). We all know how Israel & US escape after committing so many worse crimes.

When IPKF was sent, their goal was changed midway. Their primary goal was to establish peace in SL and force all sides to abide by the treaty. But what happened. One for the major reverses in Indian military history, compared to US vietnam story.

But for JJ's iron hands in TN, India would have got involved in a big way in the strife, where Indian foreign ministry babus were clueless.

When Sonia became the power in Delhi (after PVN Rao), India changed the tactics. It openly sided with the SL Govt. Their goal was to eliminate LTTE at any cost. The loss of common Tamil people life was / is considered as incidental. Sonia showed her Italian Mafia vengence mentality and has finally achieved the same.

Post LTTE:

My blood boils when ever I think about this.

When there is no LTTE and all hapless SL Jaffna Tamils living in worst possible living conditions in barricaded camps, what is the reason to be so tough on Tamils.

SL Navy keeps killing Indian fishermen and the Tamil commoners who escape from the camps. Indian Govt not only keeps mum but actively helps SL Govt & Army for this.

When native Fishermen get killed regularly, any other govt would have reacted very strongly (Take the case of Italian ship & Singapore ship for atrocities committed off Kerala coast and how Kerala Govt, Indian Govt, Navy & Coast guard reacted and acted)

Just because one Italian lady thinks that she has to take a revenge on a militant outfit, we have killed and maimed a few generations of Tamils.

MK Narayanan, I think is the Prime brain behind this. The so called spine less Cabinet ministers & CG ministers from TN should have resigned en masse, if they are sensitive.

What Indian Govt should have done / do:

Now the LTTE is no more and Tamils need massive rehabilitation.

India as a superior economic power should have used the economic clout to brow beat SL Govt into accepting the just & proper relief measures.

What India sends as aid to SL land up for the SL army and not for the Tamils.

Fearing China for every thing is BS and wrong thing to do for an emerging power. China plays with Indian insensitivities and indecisions to its advantage.

If India had stood firm in relief to Tamils, China would be nowhere to interfere in that.

Still not all is lost. India should change the tack and direction. Srilanka can be a good partner for future and they need India's support (They are import based economy). India should invest in Jaffna in a big way and demand SEZ status. India should spend more on rehabilitation of Tamils and they being highly educated will give many times in return in profits.

India can put up power plants in SL and buy that power for South India. India can develop Trinco harbour and control oil business which US is trying to usurp.

India can build across sea rail & road bridge and that may boost the SL economy and also India's.

Now India has to resort to ECONOMIC TERRORISM.

Prabhakaran was a very decent and man with lot of confidence and authority and that helped him convince MGR(Being a srilankan born really understood the need for a separate ellam ) and Indira to get support.


Really? Would a decent man assassinate the mayor of Jaffna? But that's how Prabhakaran started out with his Tamil New Tigers.

We can have a few timeline based milestones;


Eventual solution lies in the hands of Sri Lankans, regardless of ethnicity and not in the hands of India. That is what even the current UNHCR resolution recognizes.

Now India has to resort to ECONOMIC TERRORISM.

Very excited to see another voice echoing mine.. The only way to beat SL is to make the Tamils so strong and integrated with TN/Indian economy.

China or their naina will have no effect, if we can make the people stronger..

Eventual solution lies in the hands of Sri Lankans, regardless of ethnicity and not in the hands of India. That is what even the current UNHCR resolution recognizes.

True, but we lie in a global society.. Besides all the boundaries are meaningless for we are one human race. Any one suffering for the atrocity of another fellow humanbeing is self inflicted... Also being next door neighbor, such a policy is grave diplomacy.. yep will send us to graves.. besides them.

Ideally that would be the case. But in reality I think you will agree it is a different matter. It is unreasonable for 5-6% of the population, for example, to dictate India's foreign policy, when what that 5-6% wants may be detrimental to Indian interests. Say the people of Sikkim want India to invade Tibet and "save the Tibetan people" - would that in India's interests or will it create other problems?

First try and read (a lot) the meaning for the phrase 'foreign policy', FP are not pre-defined, dictated (or) premeditated, they are derived at 'on the go', events and evidences changes its course obviously within a frame of principles.

Yes, in defining the principles - TN has a say, as every other state, through parliament.

Another spin of yours " Sikkim want India to invade Tibet and "save the Tibetan people" - hmm, no one here is talking of a war with SL.

Not expecting another distorted reply.

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Some people think supporting genocidal SL in UNHCR is going to give some powerful nation status for India, on the contrary it is going to weaken our case as a strong nation upholding the universal principles of Human rights. IMO this is going to be detrimental / suicidal for our dreams of becoming permanent member.

lol@ the photo


http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2012/03/blog-post_16.html
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தீக்குளிக்கவும் தயங்க போவதில்லை - கலைஞர்

செய்தி1: "இன்றைக்கு சொல்லி வைக்கிறேன். தியாகிகளுக்கு, போராட்டக்காரர்களுக்கு, புகழ் சேர்த்துக் கொடுத்த நெல்லைச் சீமையில் இருந்து சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன், உயர் நீதிமன்றம், உச்சநீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவிட்டாலும் கூட அதை(அண்ணா பெயரால் நாங்கள் அமைத்த நூலகத்தை) அகற்றியே தீருவோம் என்று ஜெயலலிதா அடம்பிடிப்பாரேயானால், அந்த நாள் கருணாநிதி தீக்குளிக்கும் நாளாக இருக்கும் - கலைஞர்

செய்தி2:
கேள்வி:-(இலங்கை பிரச்சினையில்) இந்திய அரசு அப்படி முடிவெடுத்தால், மத்திய அரசுக்கு நீங்கள் கொடுத்து வரும் ஆதரவை திரும்பப் பெறுவீர்களா?

கலைஞர் பதில்:-அது நான் ஒருவன் மாத்திரம் தீர்மானிக்கக் கூடியதல்ல. அதைப் பற்றி நாங்கள் எங்கள் செயற்குழுவில் கலந்தாலோசித்து முடிவெடுப்போம்.


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படம்: டெல்லியில் குளிர் காலத்தில் மக்கள் தீ குளிக்கும் காட்சி :-)

டீ குடிக்கப்போறேன்னு சொன்னாரு தப்பா தீ குளிக்கப்போறேன்னு போட்டுட்டாங்க :nuts:

Some people think supporting genocidal SL in UNHCR is going to give some powerful nation status for India, on the contrary it is going to weaken our case as a strong nation upholding the universal principles of Human rights. IMO this is going to be detrimental / suicidal for our dreams of becoming permanent member.

+ 1,

it's not about the race, it is the principles applied in the view of the evidences available. to say simply, ' stand up and be counted'.

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Still not all is lost. India should change the tack and direction. Srilanka can be a good partner for future and they need India's support (They are import based economy). India should invest in Jaffna in a big way and demand SEZ status. India should spend more on rehabilitation of Tamils and they being highly educated will give many times in return in profits.

India can put up power plants in SL and buy that power for South India. India can develop Trinco harbour and control oil business which US is trying to usurp.

India can build across sea rail & road bridge and that may boost the SL economy and also India's.

Now India has to resort to ECONOMIC TERRORISM.

Ithellam nadakanum. :cheers:

but ithellam nadakka, rasapakshe needs to be down and get punished..

And for that, Congress should be ousted from power..

+1 Agree. Congress is running the weakest / dumbest FP ever. FM is the dumbest guy in the history of the nation.

The present discussion is about Srilanka is about alledged human rights violations and possibly war crimes by the Srilankan government.The human rights violations is of universal concern.Almost all international human rights groups are of the opinion that Srilanka has abused basic human rights of the Tamils.In fact the incumbent President complained to the UNHCR,when Sinhalese youth were abused by the the Srilankan government.If the present Srilankan government feels it has been falsely accused,it should permit an independant international body to investigate the happenings durinng the end of the war.Regarding the politics involved I shall write another post.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

Are you saying that ending the 20+ year old war was the wrong thing to do?

6 straightquestions to you, answer to the point? No talk about why LTTE was supported by Nedumaran where did people go when sinhalese got killed, what happened to Muslims in gujarat etc etc etc


1. Do you think there were war crimes in the name of crushing LTTE by Srilankan govt? if so should they be punished or not?

2. Do you think if 99.9% of Indians do not care about manipur so can INDIAn Military kill couple of hundred the manipuris (for example no offence to fellow patriotic manipuris) in the name of terrorism control?

3. why are you talking about dead LTTE and past history, What should Indian govt do in terms of supporting Human rights violation when the whole west is against Srilanka

4. Are you saying TN should should be quiet, if someone kills few fishermen on the coast since 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of Indians woudn't care?

5. why do you think INDIA be part of UN Security council when it cannot even raise its voice over its tiny neighbour ?

6. Do you think Srilanka will give powers demanded by Indian govt in 1987 now since LTTE is dead??

@Kannan Infratech
Perfectly narrated events. Succinctly put points. Salute.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-on-Times-cover-page/articleshow/12296366.cms

Arul, why are you deviating from the focal point here. I mentioned it as a possibility to brand every misdeed done as LTTE.


I don't want to have argument again on the 'attack on Sabarimala devotees' by unknown elements or mullaperiyar issue, but what I understand was some isolated stone throwing instances. And it was REPORTED in the media and chances of such elements taking advantage of the situation. And if any other instances of stopping or disturbing sabarimala devotees at the border, it is the act of local people only and not a terrorist organisation.

So Kerala Media doubted not only LTTE, but the other fringe elements also.

Coming to LTTE, it doesn't mean that the organisation as such is alive or doing anything. It could be the sympathisers, or leftover factions or the like. And I am not sure about this as I have little knowledge/expsoure on this issue.

Media in India was never rational.
Sudhesh, you can all of us LTTE member since we are supporting srilankan cause also Media is good in projecting people as terrorist easily.

I was once asked are you an LTTE supporter from a guy from delhi? and thought that everyone roams around with AK 47s in tamilnadu he is not an uneducated uncouth rather a well educated well read person and same goes with us when one guy from kashmir joined our college we all treated him like a terrorist unfortunately he lost all his family and was adopted by someone .
He fits the terrorist look we have seen in movies, (it was easy to patao girls thats a different story)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-on-Times-cover-page/articleshow/12296366.cms

Intresting!! Thuglak Gujarat series part 9 is also about modi

http://www.thuglak.com/thuglak/main.php?x=curissue/modi_15032012.php

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எல்லா மாநிலத்திற்கும் ஒரு முதலமைச்சர் இருக்கிறார். எல்லா முதலமைச்சருக்குக் கீழும் அந்தந்தத் துறைகளைக் கவனிக்க தனித்தனி அமைச்சர்கள் இருக்கிறார்கள். அவர்களுக்குக் கீழ் ஐ.ஏ.எஸ். முடித்த அதிகாரிகள் பணியாற்றுகின்றனர். இது எல்லா மாநிலத்திற்கும் பொதுவான விஷயம்தான். அப்படியிருக்க, மற்ற மாநிலங்களில் நடக்க முடியாத முன்னேற்றங்கள், வளர்ச்சிகள் குஜராத்தில் மட்டும் கிடுகிடுவென நடக்க என்ன காரணம்? இதில் மூடு மந்திரம் ஏதும் இருப்பதாகத் தெரியவில்லை. ‘நரேந்திர மோடி’ என்ற மந்திரச் சொல் மட்டுமே இப்படி குஜராத் முன்னேற்றத்தை, எந்த துறைக்கான ஃகிராஃபிலும் செங்குத்தாக வரைந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறது. மோடி என்ற தனி நபருக்கு இருக்கும் ஆர்வமும், தாகமும்தான் காரணம் என்று சொல்ல வேண்டியுள்ளது. முன்னேறிய மேலை நாடுகளுக்கு நிகராகக் குஜராத்தை கொண்டு வர வேண்டுமென்ற வெறி அவருக்கு உள்ளது. தனது மாநிலம் எல்லாத் துறைகளிலும் முன்னணியில் இருக்க வேண்டும் என்ற அக்கறை அவருக்கு இருக்கிறது. மக்களை இலவசம் கொடுத்து கவராமல், அவர்களை அவர்களது உழைப்பால் முன்னேற்றிக் காட்ட வேண்டும் என்ற தாகம் அவருக்கு இருக்கிறது. தனது மாநில மக்கள் படிப்பாளிகளாக இருக்க வேண்டும்; மற்ற மாநிலங்கள் முன் தலை நிமிர்ந்து நிற்க வேண்டும் என்ற ஒரு தகப்பனுக்குரிய வேட்கை அவருக்கு இருக்கிறது.

இப்படி அப்பழுக்கற்ற ஒரு உண்மையான ஆசையும் ஈடுபாடும் இருந்தால், எல்லா மாநில முதல்வர்களாலும் தனது மாநிலத்தை முன்னணிக்குக் கொண்டு வர முடியும் என்பதே நரேந்திர மோடி எல்லோருக்கும் சொல்லிக் கொடுக்கும் பாடம்.

ஒரு முதலமைச்சருக்கு ஏராளமான வேலைகள் இருக்கும். குடும்பம், நட்பு, அரசியல், ஆகியவற்றிற்கிடையே எல்லா துறைகள் குறித்தும் அவர் அக்கறை காட்ட வேண்டும். தினசரி தூங்கி எழுந்தால் நூற்றுக்கணக்கான ரொட்டீன் அப்பாயின்ட்மென்ட்டுகள், ரொட்டீன் ஃபைல்கள், ரொட்டீன் ஆலோசனை கூட்டங்கள், ரொட்டீன் அரசியல் சிந்தனைகள்... என்று ஓடுகின்ற கடிகாரத்திற்கு இணையாக, ஒரு முதலமைச்சரும் ஓடிக் கொண்டேதான் இருக்க வேண்டும். அதிகாரிகள் குறிப்பிட்டுக் கொடுக்கும் நேரங்களுக்கு ஏற்ப ஒவ்வொரு தினமும் திடுதிடு என்று ஓடி மறைந்து விடும்.

“இங்குதான் மோடி மாறுபடுகிறார். சாதாரண சந்திப்புகள், அரசியல் சந்திப்புகள், அரசு ரீதியான சந்திப்புகள், அரசு சார்ந்த வழக்கமான வேலைகள், எதிர்காலம் குறித்த ஆலோசனைகள்... என அத்தனைக்கும் இடம் கொடுக்கும் வகையில் நேரத்தை மேனேஜ் செய்து கொள்கிறார் மோடி. அந்தந்த நேரங்களில் அது மட்டும்தான். வேறு சிந்தனை கிடையாது. இதனால் குறிப்பிட்ட பணிகளில் அவருக்கு தொய்வு என்பது ஏற்படுவதே இல்லை. இதைவிட முக்கியமானது எந்தப் பணியை எடுத்துக் கொள்கிறோமோ, அதில் உத்தரவிடுவதோடு அவர் நின்று கொள்வதில்லை. அதன் ஃபாலோ-அப் விவரங்கள் அவருக்கு வந்து கொண்டே இருக்க வேண்டும்; விசாரித்துக் கொண்டே இருப்பார்” என்றார் ஓர் உயரதிகாரி.

அது முழுக்க முழுக்க உண்மை என்றே தோன்றுகிறது. ஏனென்றால், மற்ற மாநிலங்களில் முதல்வர் எப்போது நினைக்கிறாரோ, அப்போது மட்டும்தான் திடீரென காபினெட் கூட்டம் நடைபெறும். குஜராத்தில் அப்படியில்லை. ஒவ்வொரு புதன் கிழமையும் காபினெட் கூடுகிறது; உயரதிகாரிகளுடன் ஆலோசனை நடக்கிறது. எனவே கடந்த வார மினிட்ஸை வைத்துக் கொண்டு ‘கடந்த வாரம் இப்படி திட்டமிட்டோமே, அது இப்போது எந்த நிலையில் உள்ளது’ என்ற ஃபாலோ-அப், வாராவாரம் நடக்கிறது. இதனால் யாரும், எதுவும் முதலமைச்சர் பார்வையிலிருந்து தப்பி விட முடியாது.

அடுத்ததாக – மோடியின் நேர்மை, குஜராத் எடுக்கும் விச்வரூபத்திற்கு மற்றொரு முக்கிய காரணம். மோடிக்கு எதிராக எழும்பும் குற்றச்சாட்டுகளை நாம் தொடர்ந்து கவனித்தால், வடக்கை நோக்கியே நிற்கும் காம்பஸ் முள் போல, அவை அத்தனையும் கோத்ரா கலவரத்திலும், போலி என்கௌன்டர்களிலுமே வந்து நிற்கும். ஊழல் குற்றச்சாட்டுகளை எதிர்க்கட்சிகளால் பெரிதாகக் கூற முடியவில்லை என்ற பலவீனமே இதற்கு காரணம். மோடியின் நேர்மை காரணமாக அவர் பின் செல்லும் அமைச்சர்களும், அதிகாரிகளும் கூட ஊழலை விட்டு கொஞ்சம் தள்ளியே நிற்க வேண்டிய சூழல் ஏற்பட்டுள்ளது. ‘முன் ஏர் வழியே பின் ஏர் செல்லும்’ என்ற பழமொழிக்கு ஏற்ப, முதல்வர் செல்லும் வழியில், வேறு வழியே இல்லாமல் அமைச்சர்களும், அதிகாரிகளும் முனைப்போடும் துடிப்போடும் செயல்பட்டாக வேண்டிய கட்டாயம் குஜராத்தில் ஏற்பட்டுள்ளது. ‘நல்ல டெலிகேஷன், நல்ல டெடிகேஷனை வழங்கும்’ என்று எங்கோ கேள்விப்பட்டது, இங்கு நினைவுக்கு வருகிறது. ஒவ்வொரு பதவிக்கும் தகுதியான ஆட்களைத் தேர்வு செய்து மோடி டெலிகேட் செய்துள்ளார். இதனால் அந்த அமைச்சர்களும், அதிகாரிகளும் டெடிகேஷனோடு உழைக்கிறார்கள்.

மோடியின் அரசாங்கத்தில் அதிகாரிகள் மாற்றங்கள் என்பது ரொம்பக் குறைவு. அமைச்சர்கள் மாறுதல் மிக அரிது. ஐ.ஏ.எஸ். அதிகாரிகள் குறைந்தது நான்கு, ஐந்து வருடங்களுக்கு ஒரே பதவியில் பணியாற்ற அனுமதிக்கப்படுகிறார்கள். ஒப்படைத்தவரை விரட்டி, விரட்டி வேலை வாங்குகிறார். ஒரு துறை பற்றி அவர்கள் நன்கு அறிந்து, அந்தத் துறையில் முனைப்போடு சாதனை புரிய அதிகாரிகள் அனுமதிக்கப்படுகிறார்கள். தவறுகள் நடக்கும்போது அவை கண்டிக்கப்படுகின்றன. கண்காணிப்புகள் அதிகப்படுத்தப்படுகின்றன.

“எந்தத் துறையில் போட்டாலும் அவர் ஐ.ஏ.எஸ். அதிகாரிதான். தவறு செய்யும் அதிகாரியை உடனே துறையை விட்டு துறை மாற்றி, ‘அந்தத் துறையில் வேண்டுமானால் நீ தவறு செய்து கொள்’ என்று லைசென்ஸ் வழங்குவதுபோல் செயல்படுவது பலன் தராது. அந்த அதிகாரியைக் கண்காணிப்பில் வைத்து, அவரைத் தவறு செய்யாதவராகவும், துடிப்போடு செயல்படுபவராகவும் மாற்றி விடுவதே சரியான வழி. அதைத்தான் மோடிஜி செய்கிறார்” என்றார் ஒரு அதிகாரி. எவ்வளவு நியாயமான சிந்தனை?

அதிகாரிகளுக்கு அவர்களது வழக்கமான நிர்வாகத்தை அன்றன்று கவனிப்பதற்கே நேரம் சரியாக இருக்கும். இதனால் தாங்களாக புதிய ஐடியாக்களை உருவாக்கும் வாய்ப்பு கொஞ்சம் குறைவுதான். மிகுந்த ஈடுபாட்டோடு பணியாற்றுபவர்களுக்கே, ‘இதை சரி பண்ண வேண்டும்’, ‘இதை மாற்றிக் காட்ட வேண்டும்’ என்றெல்லாம் ஆர்வம் பிறக்கும். குஜராத்தில் எல்லா அதிகாரிகளுக்கும் இந்த ஆர்வத்தை ஊட்டும் வகையில் முதல்வர் சுதந்திரம் அளித்திருக்கிறார். பல மாநிலங்களில் பல உயரதிகாரிகள், ‘இந்த ரிஸ்க்கான விவகாரத்தை நாம் ஏன் கையில் எடுக்க வேண்டும்? அடுத்தவர் வந்து பார்த்துக் கொள்ளட்டும்’ என்று பணிகளை தள்ளிப் போடும் அவலம் இருந்து வருகிறது.

ஆனால், குஜராத்தில் ‘நாலு, ஐந்து வருடத்திற்கு நீதான் இங்கு ராஜா; எல்லா பொறுப்பும் உன்னுடையது; இது, இது உனது டார்கெட்டாக இருக்க வேண்டும்’ என்று அதிகாரிகளிடம் பொறுப்புகளை முழுமையாக ஒப்படைத்து விடுகிறார் மோடி. இதனால் அதிகாரிகளுக்கும் பொறுப்பும், அக்கறையும் முழுமையாக ஏற்படுகிறது. தன்னை முழுமையாக நம்பி, தன்னிடம் பொறுப்பை ஒப்படைக்கும் மோடியிடம் நல்ல பெயர் வாங்க முனைகிறார்கள். இதை ஒரு ‘பாஸிட்டிவ்வான சைக்கலாஜிகல் ட்ரீட்மென்ட்’ என்றே சொல்லலாம்.

இவை எல்லாவற்றையும் விட, முதலமைச்சர் மோடியை மக்களும், தொழிலதிபர்களும் அணுகும் முறை எளிதானது. ஒரு செய்தியை அவர் பார்வைக்குக் கொண்டு செல்ல ஒரு இன்டர்நெட் கனெக்ஷன் இருந்தால் போதுமானது. எந்த விஷயத்தையும், எந்த ஊழலையும் முதல்வரின் பார்வைக்கு ஒரு மெயில் மூலம் கொண்டு போய் விட முடியும். இதனால் எந்த விஷயமும், எந்த நேரத்திலும் முதலமைச்சரின் கவனத்திற்குப் போய்விடும் என்கிற ரீதியில் ஏற்படும் பயமே, குஜராத்தில் லஞ்ச, ஊழலை பெருமளவு குறைக்கிறது எனலாம். குஜராத்தில் ஐந்து நாட்கள் தங்கியிருந்து நான் பார்த்து வியந்த, பிரமித்த, பொறாமைப்பட்ட விஷயங்களையே கட்டுரைகளாக எழுதி வருகிறேன். அந்தக் குறைந்த நாட்களில் என் கவனத்திற்கு வராமல் போன குறைகள் அங்கு இருக்கலாம். அங்குள்ள மக்களின் கருத்து இந்தக் கட்டுரையின் கருத்துகளுக்கு மாறுபட்டு இருக்கலாம் அல்லவா? எனவே ஒரு மாலைப் பொழுதை குஜராத்தில் வசிக்கும் பொதுமக்களிடம் செலவழித்தேன். கிறிஸ்தவ, முஸ்லிம் மக்களிடம் கூட பேசினேன். அவர்களெல்லாம் மோடி குறித்தும், குஜராத் அரசாங்கம் குறித்தும் என்னதான் சொல்கிறார்கள்? அடுத்த வாரம் பார்க்கலாம்.

6 str8 questions to you, answer to the point? No talk about why LTTE was supported by Nedumaran where did people go when sinhalese got killed, what happened to Muslims in gujarat etc etc etc


1. Do you think there was war crimes in the name of crushing LTTE by Srilankan govt? if so should they be punished or not?

2. Do you think if 99.9% of Indians do not care about manipur so can INDIAn Military kill couple of hundred the manipuris (for example no offence to fellow patriotic manipuris) in the name of terrorism control?

3. why are you talking about dead LTTE and past history, What should Indian govt do in terms of supporting Human rights violation when the whole west is against Srilanka

4. Are you saying TN should shit the F up if someone kills few fishermen on the coast since 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of Indians woudn't care?

5. why do you think INDIA be part of UN Security council when it cannot even raise its voice over its tiny neighbour?

6. Do you think Srilanka will give powers demanded by Indian govt in 1987 now since LTTE is dead??


gujarath is a clash where 750 hindus and 1500 muslims die where you fail to notice first figure and also it started by burning 60 hindus alive.SL is genocide of lakhs of people which happened only in world wars and still you want people to turn deaf and dumb.Even israel and palestinians issue india is supporting palestinians irrespective israel support to us in military .This is pure double standard as srilanka is not even going respect us irrespective of vote

idhe nammaoorla senja adhukku peru samooga needhi (reservation) avanga senja jealous'a? :lol:

Konham detaila samooha neethi pathi sollungalem thalaiva konjam keppaom ana puthu thead la keppom
intha thread la venam

:lol:

Sir.. I meant not in such detail especially that there was division amongst tamils itself into Jaffna tamils and Indian Tamils.. Did everyone know this??

As someone said, disunity among us Tamils is a major problem pola..

I mentioned how Jaffna tamils had this superiority complex but I have known from personal friend how they used to ridicule Indian tamils as dumb movie crazy etc, thats besides the point

appo oru language pesuravanga high positions'la iruntha adhukku peru successful, oru jaadhi karanga irundha adakkumuraya? :lol:

MR KT, Nameetha topic pesanmnalo or Reservation
dont divert topic here, CREATE a NEW THREAD IF YOU WANT WE WILL DISCUSS there, killing or dying of 40000 tamil people in srilanka may not be important for you so Just watch or quit

One question to you (u can answer in new thread ) and straight answers pls
a)how many died in he so called oppressed community because of reservations in TN

FM is the dumbest guy in the history of the nation.
Current FM, gave 1 good budget during Indira period.. thats it..
last 2 budgets also poor.
still people are talking about him..because of "no choice"...
Pranab pazhaiya kali perungaya dabba...

MR KT, Nameetha topic pesanmnalo or Reservation
dont divert topic here, CREATE a NEW THREAD IF YOU WANT WE WILL DISCUSS there, killing or dying of 40000 tamil people in srilanka may not be important for you so Just watch or quit

One question to you (u can answer in new thread ) and straight answers pls
a)how many died in he so called oppressed community because of reservations in TN

Konham detaila samooha neethi pathi sollungalem thalaiva konjam keppaom ana puthu thead la keppom
intha thread la venam

This is TN AA fyi, who are you to ask me what to post or what not to post or why you don't post (Like you asked me for MP)

Can I ask you some thing?, if you don't like what I post then keep why don't you just watch or quit? BTW I am asking you a same question on your lines (why you didn't post). Why were you silent on power issue related to rest-of TN?

This is TN AA fyi, who are you to ask me what to post or what not to post or why you don't post (Like you asked me for MP)

Can I ask you some thing?, if you don't like what I post then keep why don't you just watch or quit? BTW I am asking you a same question on your lines (why you didn't post). Why were you silent on power issue related to rest-of TN?

OK agreed!!
Lets talk namitha then, enniku kalyanam avagalukku etho boy friend irukkame

Sachin has scored 100th Hundred in all forms of International cricket. All 1.2B of Indians has got food for all their lifetime. So Whole of India has to celebrate. It is a second Indipendance day for India. Oh Great Indian Media!!! I appericiate you for making us to realise about this.

Friends,
Whenever the govt (sg or cg) allocates land to particular company, lets say 400 acres and then that company does not use 100 acres, it can sell those 100 crores?
or they can use those 100 acres to build staff quarters..or they can build hotels and get some apartments, sell it to their employees at affordable cost?

I dont think so. They should give it back to govt who can allocate it for other companies.

I dont think so. They should give it back to govt who can allocate it for other companies.
lands within their campus? if the companies deliberately does not use some 100 acres land.. ?

Attn:Murali..

You are a small boy...A person who don't even know or heard about Tamils in the North or Hills ,should not bother to comment on History.


PL learn to use decent language.

A small piece of history for you! Heard of names like Gunasinghe,veerasinghe.Jeyasinghe etc?

According to the Mahavamsa, the Sinhalese are descended from the exiled Prince Vijaya and his party of seven hundred followers who arrived on the island at 543 BCE. Vijaya and his followers were said to have arrived in Sri Lanka after being exiled from the city of Sinhapura in Kalinga (Modern day Orissa), East India.[14] Buddhism is then said to have been introduced to the Sinhalese from India by Mahinda, son of the Mauryan Emperor Ashoka the Great, during the 3rd century BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhalese_people

I am not arguing that its not true.. I am just perturbed by the fact that u said Indian Govt is not acting against Sinhalas because they are some descendants of some old prince ( 543 BCE ) from orissa( Northies) and they are taking vengeance on Tamil race or something..

I am sure not many even know these facts in our govt..

Plz lets come out of this victimhood mindset. tamilians are an integral part of India..

The thing is, LTTE killed Rajiv and his wife, the all powerful now wanted them to be exterminated. I don't deny that SL Govt wants bad things to happen to tamils.

But, Plz stop with this accusation of Indian Govt some how neglects Tamils and wants to punish all tamils etc etc and how u are ashamed to be Indians n stuff.. Its really disturbing to hear it in SSC-INDIA..

lands within their campus? if the companies deliberately does not use some 100 acres land.. ?

Because most of these land are notified for industry purposes and was got very cheap from govt. on the promise of creating Jobs. They didn't buy it on open price from private parties and they cannot use it the way they want.

I would suggest SG should start collecting penalty which should be 5 times market price for non use of the land.

@ Kanna Infratech:

Also educate the fools here about the true satyagraha effort initiated by Dileepan, Why he observed fasting and what happened to him? Why LTTE were forced to take weapons?

ஓட்டுக்கு பணம் கொடுத்து மாட்டிக் கொண்ட அதிமுகவினர்!
வைகோ வீடு வரை போலீஸ்!
“அட, ஜெயலலிதாவின் கைக்கூலிகளே..” வைகோ வாக்குவாதம்!


இன்று (16.03.2012) கலிங்கப்பட்டியில் வீடு தோறும் ஓட்டுக்கு ரூ.1000 என கொடுத்து வந்த அதிமுகவினர், ஒரு குடும்பத்திடம் “உங்க வீட்ல ஏழு ஓட்டு இருக்கு.. இந்தாங்க ஏழாயிரம்..” என்று பணத்தை நீட்டியிருக்கின்றனர்.

அந்தக் குடும்பமோ “பணம் எங்களுக்குத் தேவையில்லை..” என்று மறுத்து விட்டு, இந்தத் தகவலை அதே கிராமத்தில் வீட்டில் இருந்த வைகோ விடம் போய்ச் சொல்லியிருக்கிறது.



இதனைத் தொடர்ந்து, எப்படியாவது கலிங்கப்பட்டியில் மதிமுகவைக் காட்டிலும் அதிக ஓட்டுக்களை வாங்கி விட வேண்டும் என்று மேலிடத்திலிருந்து வந்த உத்தரவுக்கு ஏற்ப அங்கு பண மழை பொழிந்து கொண்டிருந்த அதிமுகவினர் 4 பேரை ஊர்க்காரர்கள் பணமும் கையுமாகப் பிடித்து காவல்துறையினரிடம் ஒப்படைத்திருக்கின்றனர்.




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இந்த தகவலை மேலிடத்துக்குத் தெரிவித்து விட்டு, நேராக வைகோவின் கலிங்கப்பட்டி வீட்டுக்குச் சென்றது போலீஸ். “அதிமுகவினரை அடித்துக் காயப்படுத்தி போலீஸிடம் ஒப்படைத்தது உங்கள் வீட்டில் இருக்கின்ற 5 பேர் தான்.. அவர்களிடம் விசாரிக்க வேண்டும்..” என்று அங்கிருந்த வைகோ விடம் கண்டிப்பு காட்டியிருக்கிறார் ஏ.டி.எஸ்.பி. மகேஷ்.


அப்போது ஊர்க்காரர்களும் அங்கு திரண்டு விட, கொந்தளித்து விட்டார் வைகோ. “பிடிச்சுக் கொடுத்தவங்க என் வீட்டுல இல்லை,.. அதுக்காக விசாரணைக்குன்னு என் வீட்ல இருக்கிற அஞ்சு பேரைக் கூட்டிக்கிட்டுப் போயி அரெஸ்ட் பண்ண நினைக்கிறது நடக்காது.

நான் கேட்கிறேன்.. இப்பவும் ஊருக்குள்ள பணம் கொடுத்துக்கிட்டிருக்காங்களே ஆளும் கட்சிக்காரங்க.. அவங்களைப் பிடிக்கிறத விட்டுட்டு, பிடிச்சுக் கொடுத்தவங்களத் தேடி அலையறீங்களே.. உங்களின் கடமை உணர்வு என்னாயிற்று?

ஜெயலலிதா பிரச்சாரத்துகு வந்த போது அவர் பின்னால 1000 காருக்கு மேல வந்துச்சே.. அப்பத்தானே கோடி கோடியா தொகுதிக்குள்ள பணம் வந்துச்சு.. அந்தக் காரையெல்லாம் ஏன் செக் பண்ணல? அட.. ஜெயலலிதாவின் கைக்கூலிகளே..!” என்று ஆங்கிலத்தில் வைகோ பொரிந்து தள்ள.. எதுவும் பேசாமல் அங்கிருந்து கிளம்பியிருக்கின்றனர் காக்கிகள்.


இதைத்தொடர்ந்து, மார்ச் 18ந் தேதி வாக்குப்பதிவு நடந்தால் தேர்தல் நியாய மானதாகவும், சுதந்திரமானதாகவும், நேர்மையான தாகவும் நடக்காது. ஜனநாயகத்துக்கு எதிரானதாக அமையும்.

இந்தச் சூழ்நிலையில் நியாயமான தேர்தல் நடத்த சங்கரன்கோவில் சட்டமன்ற இடைத்தேர்தலை பிந்திய தேதிக்கு ஒத்திவைக்குமாறு தலைமைத் தேர்தல் ஆணையரை வேண்டிக் கொள்கிறேன் என்று இந்திய தலைமைத் தேர்தல் ஆணையர் குரோசிக்கும், அதன் நகலை தமிழ்நாடு தலைமை தேர்தல் அதிகாரி பிரவீண்குமாருக்கும், ம.தி.மு.க. பொதுச்செயலாளர் வைகோ, வேட்பாளர் சதன் திருமலைக்குமார் ஆகியோர் அனுப்பியுள்ளனர்.

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