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krishnaswamy

May 13th, 2012, 11:44 PM

நிறைய நீர்... கொஞ்சம் விஷம்! (http://www.vikatan.com/article.php?aid=19352&sid=523&mid=1#cmt241)

வாழ்த்துகள்... கடைசியாக நாம் குடிக்கும் தண்ணீரையும் விஷமாக்கிவிட்டோம்.

நாட்டின் பெரும்பான்மையான பகுதிகளில் நிலத்தடி நீர் விஷமாகிவருவதை நாடாளுமன்றத்திலேயே ஒப்புக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறது இந்திய அரசு. மத்திய நீர்வளத் துறை அமைச்சகத்தின் அறிக்கையின்படி, நாட்டின் 385 மாவட்டங்களில் நிலத்தடி நீரில் நைட்ரேட் மிகுந்து காணப்படுகிறது; 267 மாவட்டங்களில் ஃபுளோரைடு மிகுந்து காணப்படுகிறது; 158 மாவட்டங்களில் தண்ணீர் உப்பாக மாறிவருகிறது; 63 மாவட்டங்களில் துத்தநாகம், குரோமியம், காட்மியம் போன்ற உலோகங்கள் மிகுந்து காணப்படுகிறது.

இது என்ன அவ்வளவு பெரிய செய்தியா? இவை எல்லாம் தண்ணீரில் மிகுந்து இருந்தால் என்னவாகும் என்று ஒருவேளை நீங்கள் கேட்டால், அதற்கான பதில்... ஆம்; முக்கியமான செய்திதான். எந்த அளவுக்கு முக்கியமானது என்றால், நீங்கள் உங்கள் உயிருக்கும் எதிர்காலச் சந்ததிக்கும் எந்த அளவுக்கு முக்கியத்துவம் தருகிறீர்களோ, அந்த அளவுக்கு.

தண்ணீரை வெற்றுத் திரவமாக நாம் பார்த்தாலும், ஏராளமான காரணிகள் அதில் உண்டு. குறிப்பாக, இரும்பு, அமோனியம், மாங்கனீஸ், மெக்னீசியம், சல்பேட், சல்பைடு, தாமிரம், துத்தநாகம், குளோரைடு, ஃபுளோரைடு, பேரியம், கால்சியம், செலினியம் போன்ற வேதியியல் காரணிகள். இவை அந்தந்த மண்ணின் இயல்புக்கு ஏற்ப தண்ணீரில் கலந்து இருக்கும். தண்ணீரில் இந்த வேதியியல் காரணிகள் ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட அளவு வரை இருக்கலாம். இதற்கென ஒரு வரையறை உண்டு.

உதாரணமாக, ஒரு லிட்டர் தண்ணீரில், பாதரசம் 0.001 மில்லி கிராம் இருக்கலாம்; ஈயம் 0.1 மில்லி கிராம் இருக்கலாம். ஆனால், இந்த வரையரையைத் தாண்டும்போது, அந்தத் தண்ணீர் குடிக்கத் தகுதியற்றதாக மாறிவிடும். அதாவது, அந்தத் தண்ணீர் கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமாக உடல் உறுப்புகளைச் சிதைத்து, கொல்லும் விஷமாக மாறிவிடும். அப்படி விஷமாகிவருவதைத்தான் நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் ஒப்புக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறது அரசு.

தண்ணீர் நஞ்சான கதை

உலக மக்கள்தொகையில் ஆறில் ஒரு பகுதியை உள்ளடக்கிய இந்தியாவில், தண்ணீர் வளம் குறைவுதான். இந்தியா ஆண்டுக்கு 40 கோடி ஹெக்டேர் மீட்டர் தண்ணீரை மழைப்பொழிவு மற்றும் பனிப்பொழிவின் மூலம் பெறுகிறது. 18 கோடி ஹெக்டேர் மீட்டர் தண்ணீரை நதிகள் மூலமாகவும் 6.7 ஹெக்டேர் மீட்டர் தண்ணீரை நிலத்தடியில் இருந்தும் நாம் பெறுகிறோம். நிலத்தடி நீராதாரம் நமக்கு அரிதானது என்பதாலேயே, நம்முடைய பாரம்பரிய நீர்ப் பயன்பாடுகள் நீர்நிலைகளைப் பிரதானமாகக்கொண்டு அமைந்து இருந்தன. ஆனால், சுதந்திரத்துக்குப் பின் - குறிப்பாக தொழில் புரட்சி, பசுமைப் புரட்சிக்குப் பின் இந்தக் கதை மாறியது. நீர்நிலைகள் மூலமான நீர்ப் பயன்பாடு குறைந்து, நிலத்தடி நீர்ப் பயன்பாடு அதிகரிக்க ஆரம்பித்தது. மக்களுக்கும் நீர்நிலைகளுக்குமான நேரடி உறவுச் சங்கிலி அறுந்துபோகத் தொடங்கியது. தண்ணீர் நஞ்சாக மாற இதுவே அடித்தளம்.

இந்தியாவில் நிலத்தடி நீர் விஷமாக மூன்று முக்கியக் காரணங்கள்: வேளாண் துறை, தொழில் துறை, குப்பைகள் - கழிவுகள்!

விஷப் புரட்சி

நிலத்தடி நீர் விஷமாக வேளாண் துறையை முக்கியமான காரணமாகக் குறிப்பிடுவது உங்களுக்கு அதிர்ச்சி அளிக்கலாம். ஆனால், அதுதான் உண்மை. பல லட்சம் கோடிகளைச் செலவழித்தும் அரசின் தவறான கொள்கைகளால், இந்தியாவில் வெறும் 15 சதவிகித நிலங்கள் மட்டுமே கால்வாய்ப் பாசன வசதியைப் பெற்று இருக்கின்றன. அதே சமயம், பசுமைப் புரட்சிக்குப் பிறகு, கிணற்றுப் பாசனம், ஆழ்குழாய்க் கிணற்றுப் பாசனம் என்று விவசாயிகளைத் தவறாக வழிநடத்தி, நிலத்தடி நீர்ப் பாசனத்தை ஊக்குவித்து, பாசனத்தில் தன்னுடைய பொறுப்பில் இருந்து தப்பிக்க ஆரம்பித்தது அரசு. விளைவு... இன்றைக்கு 50 சதவிகித நிலங்கள் ஆழ்குழாய்க் கிணறுகள் மூலம் பாசன வசதி பெறுபவை. மொத்த நிலத்தடி நீர்ப் பயன்பாட்டில், 75 சதவிகிதம் விவசாயத் துக்குச் செல்கிறது. கால்வாய்ப் பாசனம் மூலம் நீர் பெறும் நிலங்கள் மேலும் மேலும் குறைந்துகொண்டே இருக்கின்றன. கடந்த 20 ஆண்டுகளில் மட்டும் 35 லட்சம் ஹெக்டேர் நிலங்கள் கால்வாய்ப் பாசனத்தில் இருந்து ஆழ்குழாய்க் கிணற்றுப் பாசனத்துக்கு மாறி இருக்கின்றன. இந்த அதீதப் பயன்பாடு நிலத்தடி நீர்மட்டத்தைக் கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமாகத் தகர்த்தது (தமிழகத்திலேயே புதுக்கோட்டை மாவட்டம், மறமடக்கியில் 1,000 அடி ஆழத்துக்குத் தண்ணீர் சென்றுவிட்டதாகச் சொல்கி றார்கள் விவசாயிகள்). இப்படி, தண்ணீர் ஆழத்துக்குச் செல்லச் செல்ல, அதில் உப்பு நீர் சேர்கிறது. ஆழத்தில் உள்ள வேதியியல் காரணிகளின் இயல்புக்கு ஏற்ப தண்ணீரின் இயல்பும் மாறுகிறது. இது ஒருபுறம். இன்னொருபுறம், அதீதமான ரசாயன உரங்கள், பூச்சிக்கொல்லிகள் பயன்பாடு. வயல்களில் கொட்டப்படும் பல்லாயிரக்கணக்கான டன் ரசாயன உரங்களும் பூச்சிக்கொல்லிகளும் மண்ணில் ஊடுருவி நீரை நஞ்சாக்குக்கின்றன. நீர்வளத் துறை அறிக்கையில், அதிர்ச்சி அளிக்கக்கூடிய இன்னொரு விஷயம், மாநகரங்களுக்கு இணையாக கிராமப் பகுதிகளிலும் நிலத்தடி நீர் நஞ்சாகிவருவது!

கண்காணிப்பின்மையின் விலை

ஒரு நாடு தொழில் வளர்ச்சிக்கு ஆசைப்படுவது தவறு இல்லை. ஆனால், நாட்டைத் தொழிலதிபர்களுக்கு அப்படியே திறந்துவிட்டால் என்னவாகும்? அதன் கொடூர விளைவுகளைத்தான் நாம் இப்போது எதிர்கொள்கிறோம். தொழிற்சாலைகள் எங்கெல்லாம் மிகுந்து இருக்கின்றனவோ, அங்கெல்லாம் நீர் நஞ்சாகி இருக்கிறது. (அம்பத்தூர் நினைவுக்கு வருகிறதா?) தொழிற்சாலைகள் மூலமான பாதிப்பு இரு வகைகளில் நடக்கிறது. ஒன்று, நதிகளில் தொழிற்சாலைக் கழிவுகள் கலப்பதன் மூலம் நதி நீரும் நஞ்சாகி, மண்ணிலும் அது ஊடுருவுவது. இன்னொன்று, ஆலை அமைந்து இருக்கும் பகுதியைச் சுற்றி நிலத்தடி நீர் நஞ்சாவது. தொழிற்துறையினரின் அதீதமான, கட்டுப்பாடற்ற செயல்பாடும் அரசின் கண்காணிப்பின்மையும் நீரில் நஞ்சாக மாறுகின்றன!

கழிவுக் கலாசாரம்

இவை தவிர்த்து குப்பை - கழிவு மேலாண்மையில் நாம் காட்டும் அலட்சியத்துக்கு நீரை விஷமாக்குவதில் முக்கியப் பங்கு உண்டு. ஒவ்வொரு நாளும் இந்தியா லட்சக்கணக்கான டன் குப்பைகளையும் கழிவுகளையும் உற்பத்தி செய்கிறது (டெல்லியில் மட்டும் 8,000 டன் குப்பைகள் உற்பத்தியாவதும் அவற்றைப் பொறுக்க 3.5 லட்சம் பேர் இருப்பதும் உங்களுக்குத் தெரியுமா?) தவிர, 105 நாடுகள் இந்தியா வைக் குப்பைத் தொட்டியாகப் பயன் படுத்துகின்றன. குஜராத்தின் புமோபோ கோலா, குப்பை இறக்குமதித் துறை முகமாகவே மாறிவிட்டது. தண்ணீரை நஞ்சாக்குவதில் ரசாயனக் குப்பைகளுக்கு - குறிப்பாக மின்னணுக் குப்பைகள், மருத்துவக் கழிவுகளுக்கு - முக்கியப் பங்கு உண்டு. எந்தப் பொறுப்பும் இல்லாமல், பழத் தோலில் இருந்து செல்பேசி ரேடியம் பேட்டரிகள் வரை பாலிதீன் பையில் திணித்து குப்பைத் தொட்டியில் வீசும் கலாசாரம் நீரில் நஞ்சாகப் பிரதிபலிக் கிறது!

உள்ளாட்சிகளின் உபயம்

இப்படி நஞ்சாகி வெளியே வரும் நீரை விநியோகிக்கும்போது, 'எங்களால் இயன்ற உபயம்’ என்று உள்ளாட்சி அமைப்புகளும் கிருமிகளைச் சேர்க்கின்றன. சென்னை மாநகராட்சியில் விநியோகிக்கப்படும் குடிநீர் பல இடங்களில் குடிக்கத் தகுதியற்ற தாக (சாக்கடைக் கழிவுகளும் தொற்றுநோய்க் கிருமிகளும் நிரம்பியதாக) இருப்ப தைத் தகவல் அறியும் உரிமைச் சட்டத்தின் கீழ் அளிக்கப்பட்ட ஒரு மனு அம்பலமாக்கி இருப்பது ஓர் உதாரணம். 2007 முதல் மேற்கொள்ளப்பட்ட சுமார் 440 குடிநீர்ப் பரிசோதனைகளில், சென்னைக் குழாய்களில் இருந்து வரும் தண்ணீர் குடிக்கத் தகுதியற்றதாக இருந்ததாகச் சொல்லி இருக்கிறது மாநகராட்சி நிர்வாகம். சுமார் 2,930 கி.மீ. நீளம்கொண்ட சென்னைக் குடிநீர்க் குழாய்களின் சராசரி வயது 50 என்பதும் 166 கி.மீ. அளவுக்குக் குழாய்கள் உடைந்து சீர் செய்யும் நிலையில் இருக்கின்றன என்பதும் சுகாதாரம் இந்தியாவில் எந்த நிலையில் உள்ளது என்பதைச் சொல்லும்.

சுத்திகரிப்பா, ஹி...ஹி...

இந்தப் பிரச்னைகளில் இருந்தெல்லாம் தப்பித்துக்கொள்ள சுத்திகரிக்கப்பட்ட நீர் ஒரு நல்ல தீர்வு என்று நீங்கள் நம்பினால், நீங்கள் உங்களையே ஏமாற்றிக்கொள் கிறீர்கள் என்று அர்த்தம். பாட்டில்களிலும் கேன்களிலும் அடைத்து விற்கப்படும் தண்ணீரிலும் பெருமளவு கிருமிகள் இருப்பதைக் கண்டறிந்து இருக்கிறது இந்தியத் தரக் கட்டுப்பாட்டு நிறுவனம். தமிழகத்தில் சுத்திகரிக்கப்பட்ட தண்ணீர் உற்பத்தித் துறையில் ஆயிரத்துக்கும் மேற்பட்ட நிறுவனங்கள் ஈடுபட்டு இருக்கின்றன. ஒரு நாளைக்கு சுமார் 6 லட்சம் 20 லிட்டர் கேன்கள்; 25 லட்சம் 1 லிட்டர் 2 லிட்டர் பாட்டில்கள்; 20 லட்சம் 250 மி.லி. பாக்கெட்டுகள் தண்ணீர் விற்பனையாகிறது. இவ்வளவு பெரிய துறையைக் கண்காணிக்க என்று ஒரு வலுவான அமைப்பு நம்மிடம் இல்லை. ஆகையால், அவர்கள் வைத்ததுதான் 'சுத்தம்’.

இதேபோல, நீரைச் சுத்தப்படுத்த ஒரே விதமான சுத்திகரிப்பு அமைப்பு போதுமானது அல்ல; அது நீரின் தன்மைக்கு ஏற்ப மாறுபடும். உதாரணமாக, அதீத உப்பைச் சுத்திகரிக்க 'ரிவர்ஸ் ஆஸ்மாஸிஸ்’ அமைப்பு தேவைப்படும். அதீத இரும்பைச் சுத்திகரிக்க 'அயர்ன் ரிமூவர்’ அமைப்பு தேவைப்படும். ஆக, ஒரே ஓர் அமைப்பைக்கொண்டு, சுத்திகரித்த தண்ணீரை அருந்தலாம் என்று நினைப்பதும் கண் துடைப்புதான்.

இந்தச் சுத்திகரிப்பு அமைப்புகளை எல்லாம் நம்புவதற்கு, தண்ணீரை நன்கு கொதிக்கவைத்து பானையில் ஊற்றிவைத்து அருந்தும் பழைய முறை மேலானது என்கிறார்கள் ஆய்வாளர்கள். ஆனால், இவை எல்லாம் தற்காலிகத் தீர்வுகள்தான். விஷமாகும் நீரின் இயல்பை மாற்ற நாம் அடிப்படையையே மாற்ற வேண்டும்.

சுகாதாரமற்ற நீரால் உலகில் ஒவ்வோர் ஆண்டும் 50 லட்சம் பேர் உயிர் இழக்கிறார்கள்; இந்தியாவின் பெரும்பாலான மரணங்கள் தொற்றாநோய்கள் எனப்படும் புற்றுநோய், நீரிழிவு, சிறுநீரகக் கோளாறு, இதய நோய் உள்ளிட்டவற்றால் நிகழ்கின்றன என்ற செய்திகளின் பின்னணியில், நிலத்தடி நீரைப் பொதுச் சொத்தாக மாற்ற வேண்டும் என்ற நம்முடைய பிரதமரின் சமீபத்திய அறைகூவலை நினைத்துப்பாருங்கள்... கூசவில்லை?

dpitchai

May 14th, 2012, 03:02 AM

enakku sathiyam puriyale..

In U.S, the President is elected directly by people. Also there are many things I like in U.S politics which I feel better than India (I know they too are not perfect):

1. Presidential/Governor/Senator candidates from a party is NOT selected by party boss but by party workers or normal people depending upon state. Clean politicians has higher chance this way. In India only money/muscle candidates have higher chance.

2. While voting on issues, it's not like one party senators totally vote for it and other vote totally against. Here, they vote on their will. Many senators are bipartisan. In India, party bosses never allow this, even if accidentally someone tries to be one, the media will create a big mess out of this.

IMO our electorate system needs to be revised.

madurakarenda

May 14th, 2012, 04:22 AM

Naatula yaaru solratha namburathune theriyala :(. This report too only complains and gives no possible solutions.

Anniyan

May 14th, 2012, 10:45 AM

The All India Vellalar, Pillaimar, Sengunthar and Mudaliars Federation has welcomed the appointment of Nithyananda as the 293rd pontiff of the ancient saivite mutt of Madurai Adheenam and hoped that both Tamil and Saivism would flourish under the new head.

Addressing a press conference here on Saturday, K.Arunachalam, president of the association said that this effort of the incumbent mutt head Arunagirinatha Gnanasambanda Desigar appointing Nityananda as the head has made the members of above said communities proud. Moreover they stated that Vellalars, Mudaliars and Pillaimars belonged to the same clan and the efforts to play divisiveness among them are condemnable.

Dr.Arunachalam stated that a few organisations in the name of Hinduism has been involved in tarnishing the image of Madurai Adheenam and the association has plans to go for legal action against such efforts. They also made a request to the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister to provide adequate security to both the pontiffs and the mutt.

Tamil Nadu Sivanadiyar Thirukkootam has condemned the appointment of Nityananda as the 293rd Pontiff of Madurai Adheenam stating that the appointment was not made under the rules of Saivism. In a statement issued here on Saturday, the association said that his form of worship and religious acts are contradictory to Saivism. They also said that the incumbent head should have taken cue from his predecessors while appointing his successorhttp://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/article3413034.ece

What is the difference between these guys and the brahmins group supporting Sankrachari ???

murlee

May 14th, 2012, 11:48 AM

What is the difference between these guys and the brahmins group supporting Sankrachari ???

No difference..

Ellame ore kuttai la vizhunda mattainga dan..

Kandeeban

May 14th, 2012, 12:06 PM

^^ Funny :)
but if nithyananda is being condemned only for his proximity with a woman, then i find it wrong.. hes a human being as well.. and we dont hav a right to talk abt consensual relationships between third persons .... if anything, his only mistake was he din practice wat he preached (possibly).... and thats a wrong 99% of us do :) (ie we dont practice wat we preach)
disclaimer: i neither know wat he preached. nor am i a religious person and nor do i support one caste over the other... my comment was jus on him as a person...

murlee

May 14th, 2012, 12:37 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6ie0yYd8BaY/ThsBNErV2OI/AAAAAAAAAtA/1-kXIgtW7C8/s640/banpo-bridge.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hqAfFRLTrQc/ThsBHzrrnJI/AAAAAAAAAs4/5-Q7ZhaIsG0/s640/banpo-big.jpg

Lovely!!

South Korea is definitely the star of Asian Tigers.. Went from a shit-hole in 1960s to one of the most developed parts in the world. Kudos..

murlee

May 14th, 2012, 03:49 PM

Soaring sycophancy

J. Jayalalithaa's AIADMK cadre across the state use public platforms to display the sycophancy that pervades the political culture here. The state Assembly seems to be a pertinent platform available to the AIADMK ministers and MLAs to praise their 'Puratchi Thalaivi' (revolutionary leader), “the lighthouse of peninsular India, the goddess of the south, the champion of the downtrodden, the light that shines in the darkness and the godmother and saviour of Tamils:lol:.” Praise does not come to the Tamil Nadu chief minister as a shower. It is almost always a deluge.

In fact, her chief ministerial tenure during 1991-1996 saw an orgy of sycophancy. One of her party district secretaries declared himself dead and went through cremation rites, to bring prosperity to Jayalalithaa. Some of the women cadres donned neem leaves and rolled on the floors in a temple to ward off evil spirits affecting their leader. In fact, whoever praised Jayalalithaa in the Assembly or whoever disparaged DMK leader M. Karunanidhi and his family, were rewarded with a higher position either in the party or in the government. AIADMK MLA Thennavan spoke in derogatory terms against DMK leader's daughter Kanimozhi during the budget session in 1993 only to be promoted as a minister within a couple of months. :eek:

Her second term from 2001 to 2006 was not very different. Despite directives from Jayalalithaa to her supporters to be restrained in their festivities, all her birthdays saw posters and billboards singing her praise.

In this third term, sycophancy still rules. Her ministers praise their 'revolutionary leader' and shower her with songs from her mentor MGR's films, which even the chief minister seems to rejoice. Finance Minister Panneerselvam was seen prostrating before the chief minister before presenting the state budget, forcing one to recall the feudal time when one could not proceed with anything without first paying respects to the ruler. Panneerselvam began his budget speech by singing paeans to Jayalalithaa's visionary leadership and the party's spectacular victory in the recent Assembly by-poll in Sankarankoil.

Each minister tries to outdo the other in displaying their loyalty, all with an eye to get noticed by their Amma. Members of the Tamil Nadu Assembly were in for a treat last week when labour minister S.T. Chellapandian sang about 15 songs, mostly from films starring Jayalalithaa and MGR. He got a thumping reception from his AIADMK colleagues, when he started his speech with an MGR song, criticising the previous regime. It is a routine affair for MLAs and ministers to amuse their colleagues in the Assembly with a ‘songathon' praising their leader.

But many who had applauded Jayalalithaa are now with the DMK, praising the patriarch Karunanidhi. Thennavan, who was rewarded a portfolio in 1993 for making derogatory remarks against Kanimozhi, former minister Indira Kumari who donned neem leaves on Amma's birthday, T.M. Selvaganapathy, (DMK Rajya Sabha MP now) who praised her as "another Jesus... another Krishna... and a spiritual descendant of prophet Mohammed” and former Tamil Nadu Speaker Sedapatti Muthiah are among those who defected to the rival DMK camp.

This curse of sycophancy, as political observers call it, is not unique to the AIADMK.
The 2006 to 2011 DMK regime was marked by 'parattu vizhas' (felicitations) to praise Karunanidhi. All these felicitation programmes were telecasted live either on Kalaignar TV or Sun TV—channels owned by the members of the DMK first family.

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?programId=1073754900&contentId=11588875

krishnaswamy

May 14th, 2012, 04:08 PM

http://tamil.drivespark.com/img/2012/05/14-dhonihh-2-300.jpg

murlee

May 14th, 2012, 04:08 PM

http://www.prastara.in/

kongutamizhan

May 14th, 2012, 04:54 PM

what kullaka battar ? it sounds ullu ka patta, never heard of that

குல்லுக்க பட்டர் is Rajaji. Now you are free to establish the co-relation ;)

http://www.tamiloviam.com/site/?p=1279

சுதந்திரக்கட்சியுடன் அரசியல் கூட்டணி வைத்துக் கொண்டபோது ராஜாஜியை "மூதறிஞர்" என்றார். கூட்டணி முறிந்தவுடன் "ஆச்சாரியார்" என்றழைப்பார். அவரை "குல்லுக்க பட்டர்" என்று முரசொலி வர்ணனை செய்யும். நாஞ்சில் மனோகரன் திமுகவில் இருந்தபோது "நாஞ்சிலார்" என்று செல்லமாக அழைப்பார். அவர் அ.தி.மு.க. விற்குச் சென்றபிறகு "மந்திரக்கோல் மைனர்" என்று முரசொலி கூறும். அவசரநிலையின் போது அப்போதைய பிரதமரை "சேலை கட்டிய ஹிட்லர்" என்றார். அவருடன் கூட்டணி வைத்துக்கொண்டபோது "நேருவின் மகளே வருக! நிலையான ஆட்சி தருக!!" என்றார். காமராஜ் அவர்களைப் பற்றி அவர் பேசியதையெல்லாம் காங்கிரசார் நினைத்துப் பார்த்தால் இன்று கூட்டணியே வைத்துக்கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள். இவையெல்லம் பழங்கதை. தரம் தாழ்ந்து அரசியல் நடத்துவதுதான் அவரின் நிலை.

satchitananda

May 14th, 2012, 05:19 PM

^^ :rofl:

kongutamizhan

May 14th, 2012, 05:48 PM

http://tamil.oneindia.in/news/2012/05/14/business-why-only-air-india-havent-telecom-psus-fallen-from-grac-153982.html

நஷ்டம் தொடர்ந்தால் அரசு தொலைத் தொடர்பு நிறுவனங்களுக்கு விரைவில் மூடுவிழா?

டெல்லி: மத்திய அரசின் நிறுவனமான ஏர் இந்தியா பெரும் நட்டத்தினூடே இயங்கி வருகிறது. இதில் விமானசேவை ரத்தாகி நூறு கோடிக்கும் மேல் கூடுதல் நட்டம். ஏர் இந்தியா பரவாயில்லை என்றும் சொல்லும் அளவுக்கு இருக்கின்றன இன்னும் இரண்டு அரசு நிறுவனங்கள். மத்திய அரசின் தொலைத் தொடர்பு நிறுவனங்களான பி.எஸ்.என்.எல். மற்றும் மகாநகர் டெலிபோன் நிகாம் நிறுவனங்கள்தான் அவை.

2005-06ம் ஆண்டில் பி.எஸ்.என்.எல். நிறுவனத்தின் லாபம் எவ்வளவு தெரியுமா? ரூ10 ஆயிரம் கோடி. கழுதை தேய்ந்து கட்டெறும்பு ஆன கதையாக 2010-11-ல் இதன் நட்டம் ரூ6 ஆயிரம் கோடி. 2011-12ல் இன்னும் கூடத்தான் செய்யும். அதே நேரத்தில் ஏர் இந்தியா நிறுவனத்தின் 2011-12-ல் ரூ7 ஆயிரம் கோடி இருக்கலாம்.

இதேபோல்தான் மகாநகர் டெலிபோன் நிகாம் லிமிடெட்ட் நிறுவனத்தின் கதையும்! 1992-ஆம் ஆண்டு டெல்லி, மும்பையில் தொலைத்தொடர்பு சேவையை இந்த நிறுவனம் மட்டுமே வழங்கி வந்தது. அப்போது இதன் பங்குகள் ரூ370 வரை இருந்தது. இப்ப 20 ஆண்டுகள் ஆகிவிட்டது. அதைப் போல இரண்டு மடங்கு கூடியிருக்க வேண்டும். ஆனால் இல்லையே.. ரூ25தான் அதன் பங்கு மதிப்பு. இதனால் இந்த நிறுவனத்துக்கு நட்டம் ரூ4 ஆயிரம் கோடிக்கு மேல!

மத்திய அரசின் 2 தொலைத் தொடர்பு நிறுவனங்களின் நட்டக் கணக்கை ஒப்பிட்டால் ஏர் இந்தியா பரவாயில்லை போல்தான்... இதைக் கணக்கில் கொள்ளாமலேயே பலரும் ஏர் இந்தியாவை மூட வேண்டும் என்று வலியுறுத்துகின்றனர். உண்மையில் இதே நிலை நீடித்தால் நிச்சயமாக 2 தொலைத் தொடர்பு நிறுவனங்களையும் மத்திய அரசு மூடத்தான் வேண்டியிருக்கும்.

தங்களைச் சுற்றியிருக்கும் கடும் போட்டியைக் கண்டுகொள்ளாமல் அல்லது தனியார் நிறுவனங்களுக்கு சாதகமான வகையில் இந்த நிறுவனங்கள் செயல்படுவதான் நட்டத்துக்குக் காரணம். அரசு தொலைத்தொடர்பு நிறுவனங்களுக்கு இவ்வளவு நட்டமெனில் தனியார் நிறுவனங்களுக்கு எவ்வளவு லாபம் கிடைத்திருக்கும்!

English summary As an increasing number of obits keep being written about Air India, one is compelled to draw parallels with two other PSU telecom companies that are slowly going the same way – BSNL and MTNL

krishnaswamy

May 14th, 2012, 06:36 PM

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91375485&postcount=581
Quote:
சுதந்திரக்கட்சியுடன் அரசியல் கூட்டணி வைத்துக் கொண்டபோது ராஜாஜியை "மூதறிஞர்" என்றார். கூட்டணி முறிந்தவுடன் "ஆச்சாரியார்" என்றழைப்பார். அவரை "குல்லுக்க பட்டர்" என்று முரசொலி வர்ணனை செய்யும். நாஞ்சில் மனோகரன் திமுகவில் இருந்தபோது "நாஞ்சிலார்" என்று செல்லமாக அழைப்பார். அவர் அ.தி.மு.க. விற்குச் சென்றபிறகு "மந்திரக்கோல் மைனர்" என்று முரசொலி கூறும். அவசரநிலையின் போது அப்போதைய பிரதமரை "சேலை கட்டிய ஹிட்லர்" என்றார். அவருடன் கூட்டணி வைத்துக்கொண்டபோது "நேருவின் மகளே வருக! நிலையான ஆட்சி தருக!!" என்றார். காமராஜ் அவர்களைப் பற்றி அவர் பேசியதையெல்லாம் காங்கிரசார் நினைத்துப் பார்த்தால் இன்று கூட்டணியே வைத்துக்கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள். இவையெல்லம் பழங்கதை. தரம் தாழ்ந்து அரசியல் நடத்துவதுதான் அவரின் நிலை.

Mr.Nellai

May 14th, 2012, 10:43 PM

vice-versa works too, check with friend(s) :lol:. Need hint?

white skin girlu? :lol:... correct ah?

krishnaswamy

May 14th, 2012, 10:58 PM

vice-versa works too, check with friend(s) :lol:. Need hint?
KT.. onnume puriyale..to which ghettos, dark skinned man to be sent or white girl to be sent?

kongutamizhan

May 14th, 2012, 11:06 PM

white skin girlu? :lol:... correct ah?

புலவர் அய்யா நீர்

ஒருவருக்கு கரெக்டா தெரியறது மற்றோருதருக்கு தவறாக தெரிவதும், ஒருவருக்கு தவறாக தெரிவது மற்றொருவருக்கு சரியாக தெரிவதும், எல்லாமே தவறா இருந்தாலும் சரியாய் தெரியறதும், எல்லாமே சரியாய் இருந்தாலும் தப்பா தெரியறதும் உலக இயற்கை.
இத தான் ஜெயகாந்தன் சில நேரங்களில் சில மனிதர்கள்னு டைட்டில் வெச்சி எழுதினாரு. கரெக்டு தப்பு எல்லாம் மாயை.

அது சரி எங்க ரொம்ப நாளா ஆள காணோம்?

KT.. onnume puriyale..dark skinned man and white skinned girl-u?

எதுவுமே புரியாம இருந்து கடைசியில புரிஞ்சிகிறது ரொம்ப நல்லது. புரியாம இருக்குற காலத்துல அத புரிஞ்சிக்க நீங்க போடுற effort இல்லேனா போடமாட்டீங்க. எல்லாரும் எல்லாம் புரிஞ்சிக்கணும்னு அவசியம் இல்லை ஆனா புரிஞ்சிகிட்டா நல்லது

#நேத்து நான் பார்த்த கமல் படத்துக்கும் இந்த பதிவிற்கும் சம்பந்தம் இல்லை

krishnaswamy

May 14th, 2012, 11:12 PM

#நேத்து நான் பார்த்த கமல் படத்துக்கும் இந்த பதிவிற்கும் சம்பந்தம் இல்லை
aama.. ithai eduthu vera sollanumakkum...
seri ethavadu 1 hint kodungakappa.. mms kalavaram panni vote vangurathukkum, white girl-u etho oru ghettos-kku anuppurathukkum ennappa sambandham?

Kalavarathukkum, "Cross"ing-kum enna sambandham?

krishnaswamy

May 14th, 2012, 11:29 PM

Athu seri,
where are the "thatha" fans who used to say "Aatha" is against infra & Industrialization..Only Thatha regime only industries used to come to TN..? i am seeing so many of them in Chennai monorail thread..

krishnaswamy

May 14th, 2012, 11:38 PM

For "Pun" Only...
""மதுரையில், பா.ஜ., மாநாட்டில், வெங்கையா நாயுடு பேசியபோது, எல்லாரும் வயிறு குலுங்க சிரிச்சாங்க பா...'' என்ற அன்வர்பாயிடம், ""அவர் பேசுறத, கண்ணால பார்த்தாலே சிரிப்பு வருமே ஓய்...'' எனச் சொன்னார் குப்பண்ணா.

""இங்க, மதிய நேரத்துல, தொண்டர்கள் தூங்கிடப் போறாங்களேன்னு நினைச்ச கட்காரி, வெங்கையாவைப் பேசச் சொன்னாரு... அவரும், ஆங்கிலத்துல எதுகை, மோனையோட பேசினாரு... நம்ம ஜனங்களுக்கு அது புரியல... ஆனா, அதை மொழிபெயர்த்த, தமிழிசை சவுந்தரராஜன், அதே எதுகை, மோனையோட தமிழ்ல அசத்தினாங்க...

""காங் வில் பி அவுட்... தேர் இஸ் நோ டவுட்' என்றார் வெங்கையா. பின், "காங்., அரசு காரின் டிரைவர் சீட்டில் மன்மோகன்; ஸ்டியரிங்கைப் பிடித்திருப்பது சோனியா; பிரேக்கில் கால் வைத்திருப்பது கருணாநிதி, மம்தா... இப்படி இருந்தால், கார் எப்படி ஓடும்?' எனக் கேட்டார்... இப்படி பேசியது, தொண்டர்களுக்கு ரொம்ப பிடிச்சுப் போச்சு... கைதட்டல், அதிர்வேட்டாய் இருந்தது பா... பரவாயில்லை... பி.ஜே.பி.,ல கூட, நல்லா பேசுறவங்க இருக்காங்க...'' என, புகழ்ந்தார் அன்வர்பாய்.

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 01:49 AM

aama.. ithai eduthu vera sollanumakkum...
seri ethavadu 1 hint kodungakappa.. mms kalavaram panni vote vangurathukkum, white girl-u etho oru ghettos-kku anuppurathukkum ennappa sambandham?

Kalavarathukkum, "Cross"ing-kum enna sambandham?

got it totally wrong. it is not even about white skinned girl. okay hint these articles - White skinned man (Francois Gautier) or men (brahmins with some exceptions) however you want to interpret :) (E)Motions, loose-motions, or lack of can be from either side. After all everyone has an ass :lol:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/may/23franc.htm

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/UttarPradesh/Are-Brahmins-today-s-Dalits-in-India/Article1-221926.aspx

See what that white man ended up creating here (http://croor.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/brahmins-have-become-a-minority/). Does it resemble sending white man to the 'other' ghetto? (By other ghetto I mean the side that lives in closed thinking that caste based reservation is still necessary)

PS> Idhu thavira andha postkku innoru meaningum undu. adhu ippo vendam. Adhu anegama silarukku purinjirukkum

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 02:05 AM

got it totally wrong. it is not even about white skinned girl. okay hint these articles - White skinned man (Francois Gautier) or men (brahmins with some exceptions) however you want to interpret :) (E)Motions, loose-motions, or lack of can be from either side. After all everyone has an ass :lol:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/may/23franc.htm

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/UttarPradesh/Are-Brahmins-today-s-Dalits-in-India/Article1-221926.aspx

See what that white man ended up creating here (http://croor.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/brahmins-have-become-a-minority/). Does it resemble sending white man to the 'other' ghetto? (By other ghetto I mean the side that lives in closed thinking that caste based reservation is still necessary)

PS> Idhu thavira andha postkku innoru meaningum undu. adhu ippo vendam. Adhu anegama silarukku purinjirukkum
got it. i initially thought this way....
this shows, even in the developed society people can use this as "weapon" to secure vote bank...

Ramakrishnan Sitaram

May 15th, 2012, 05:06 AM

idhellaam arasiyalla saadhaaranamappa!

madurakarenda

May 15th, 2012, 06:25 AM

"Rasna girl" Tharuni Sachdev passed away with her mother in a Nepal Aeroplane Crash. Let her soul rest in peace.. :(

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/545019_235114369925958_151174804986582_390300_1538249173_n.jpg

Mad 4 Madras

May 15th, 2012, 08:59 AM

குல்லுக்க பட்டர் is Rajaji. Now you are free to establish the co-relation ;)

http://www.tamiloviam.com/site/?p=1279
Actually it is a Urdu phrase ullu-ka-patha which means 'Son of an Owl' which also means a fool :) how it became குல்லுக்க பட்டர் I don't know..

kannan infratech

May 15th, 2012, 11:04 AM

Kukkuka Bhatta was a Writer & Commentator in 13th Century. . He is of Bengali origin and he wrote the famous book Manvartha Mukthavali, a supposed to be a great commentary on Manu Smruthi. He also wrote Smruthi Digests, giving the essence of the vedas.

Since Rajaji is a Brahmin and he was from Congress, DMK abused him like this. When he quit Congress and started Swatantara party (Ambedkar's party in TN), they called him Moodharignanr. They conveniently forgot that he was instrumental in Dalit's Alaya Pravesam in TN against all odds and opposition from within Congress.

Rajaji had a very special relationship with EVR Periyar and Rajaji was instrumental in bringing Periyar to Congress initially. Rajaji also supported EVR Periyar when he was running DK on all common issues which would affect TN. Periyar openly cried in public during the funeral procession of Rajaji and he personally participated in the same despite poor health.

When Rajaji enabled the DMK - Congress (Indira) alliance ( to spite the Congress (O) leaders like Kamaraj & Bhakthavatsalam), he was praised to the skies by DMK. DMK, even though a new regional party at that time, entered the national scene first time through Rajaji only.

kannan infratech

May 15th, 2012, 11:26 AM

Dr(Mrs) Thamizisai is the daughter of Kumari Anandan and niece of Vasanth (Vasanth & Co).

Appa madhiri Ponnum irukkanga.

Thirunelveli & Nagarcoil belt is the fountainhead of Tamil Literature revival.

Anniyan

May 15th, 2012, 12:20 PM

TRAI caps TV ad duration at 12 mins per hour

Anniyan

May 15th, 2012, 01:07 PM

AIADMK captured power only because of DMDK: Vijayakant (http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article3409248.ece)
"see what will happen in the 2014 Lok Sabha polls. We are not going to align with the AIADMK and the outcome of the election will prove the role played by the DMDK in the 2011 Assembly elections,"
"Mr. Vijayakant said it was the media's assessment that the 10 per cent votes polled by his party would make a great difference for any alliance in which it would become a partner and if his party had decided to contest alone in the 2011 election, a campaign would have been launched against him that he had been bought over by the DMK-Congress front. "
"After using me like curry leaves, I have been cast aside,” he said"

hm...romba adi vangittaru pola...

Oorgai nu kooda soli irukalaam. but ஊறுகாய்நு சொன்ன எல்லாரும் ஓட்டுவாங்க கறிவேப்பிலைநு சொல்லிடாரு போல

kannan infratech

May 15th, 2012, 01:20 PM

Oorugai is also eaten with rice and swallowed.

Curry Leaves are discarded by many and they will not swallow. :)

JJ used another term.. Udhirndha Romam....during the 90s when some top ADMK leader left the party. (slangla padiyunga) :lol:

kannan infratech

May 15th, 2012, 01:47 PM

This is really sad.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-passports-for-kudankulam-residents/257894-62-128.html

No passports for Kudankulam residents?

Chennai: Youth in villages around Kudankulam, where people are agitating against the setting up of the nuclear power plant, are unable to take up jobs abroad as passports are being denied to them, it was alleged at a public hearing in Chennai on Monday.
About a dozen villagers deposed at the public hearing on 'Kudankulam and State Supression of Democratic Rights’, coming up with startling revelations on the harassment they faced from the police.

Joseph of Idinthakarai, whose house is situated a furlong away from the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant, said that people were spending sleepless nights ever since the protest started 222 days ago.

osephine Jaya of Kootupuli said that she has evidence to prove how the cases filed against the people were false. One teacher who was on election duty and returned to the place only that day was picked up and slapped with cases, she said and added that people working elsewhere on ships and other places were also facing cases.

Jayness, a college student, narrated the difficulties faced by students like him to reach their examination halls. He said they had to walk for over five km to take a bus. Youth there lived in fear of being picked up by the police at any time, he said.
Nishant, a fisherman, said that after bus services were terminated, auto drivers were fleecing them and they were forced to pay `200 to return home at night, a distance for which the bus fare is just `5.

Mary Theresa, a fisherman’s wife among those arrested on March 19, said that police treated them in an inhuman manner and threatened to slap serious cases against them. The booking of villagers under Sec. 124 (a) of IPC (Sedition) was an issue brought up by many who deposed before former Chief Justice of Madras High Court, A P Shah, advocate Geetha Ramseshan and Prof Prabha Kalvimani at the Loyola College premises.
Sam Rajappa, a senior journalist who visited the area as part of a fact-finding team last month said in his deposition that in his 50 years of experience, he has never come across an agitation as peaceful as the one in Idinthakarai. M G Devasahayam, a former IAS officer and social activist, expressed the view that the manner in which the police were handling the anti-KKNPP agitation gave rise to a doubt if they were taking orders from the IB, which in turn is advised by Russian intelligence.

kannan infratech

May 15th, 2012, 02:01 PM

2G scam: A Raja gets bail after 15 months in jail

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/2g-scam-raja-gets-bail-after-15-months-in-jail/258041-62-128.html

New Delhi: A Delhi court on Tuesday granted bail to former telecom minister A Raja in the 2G spectrum scam. The court has asked A Raja to submit Rs 25 lakh as surety. Raja has also been directed not to visit Tamil Nadu without the court's prior permission. A Raja had been in jail for the past 15 months and this was the first time that he had applied for bail.

"The case is all sewn up and there is very little Raja can do to influence the case. I said he should get bail according to Supreme Court guidelines. I only fear for his life," said Subramanian Swamy, Janata Party President and a petitioner in the 2G case.
Raja's supporters were celebrating outside the court after the bail order was pronounced. Reports suggest that Raja will walk out of the jail at 7 pm on Tuesday.

Reacting to the bail order, DMK leader TR Baalu said, "We are very happy that Raja has been given bail. The party is with him."
The DMK MP had filed the bail plea on the ground of parity with other 13 co-accused who had all been granted relief by the Supreme Court, the Delhi High Court and the special court trying the case.
But the CBI countered this argument in court last week by saying that since Raja was the starting point of this entire conspiracy, he could not be held at parity with the other co-accused.

Another point that Raja's lawyers raised was that the evidence in the case was documentary in nature and therefore, there was little chance that if he was out of jail, he could influence the evidence in this case.

To counter this, the CBI pointed out that a part of the investigation into a deal allegedly done to favour Raja, was still pending and also witnesses in this case were from Tamil Nadu, a state from which Raja hails from.

During the probe, it has come to light that Raja and others received bribe of another Rs 200 crore in connection with the spectrum scam, it said.
The CBI prosecutor had raised questions on Raja's alleged links with Mauritius-based Delphi Investment Ltd, in which Reliance Telecom Ltd had allegedly transferred its shares and said if released on bail at this stage, he might tamper with the evidence.

"It is suspected that there may be involvement of public servants, including accused A Raja and his family members etc, in the affairs of the said companies (Delphi)," the prosecutor had said.

A Raja was arrested on February 2, 2011.

Vicvin86

May 15th, 2012, 02:34 PM

This is really sad.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-passports-for-kudankulam-residents/257894-62-128.html

No passports for Kudankulam residents?

They returned their voter ID card and now they want passports so that they can return it in few more months. They deserve this and much more for putting a national property in danger. Pavam pavamnu patha avalavuthan..

Vicvin86

May 15th, 2012, 02:40 PM

M G Devasahayam, a former IAS officer and social activist, expressed the view that the manner in which the police were handling the anti-KKNPP agitation gave rise to a doubt if they were taking orders from the IB, which in turn is advised by Russian intelligence.
:lol::lol::lol::lol: Avanunga kitta advice ketturuntha

satchitananda

May 15th, 2012, 04:50 PM

2G scam: A Raja gets bail after 15 months in jail

Hope the bail is not the beginning of killing this case.. Cong will stoop any level to hold power.. So does thatha.. If Raja wiggles out of this mess clean, only shows how corrupt our society has become.

karkal

May 15th, 2012, 06:36 PM

Blog: Jayalalithaa's one-year anniversary (http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/blog-jayalalithaa-s-one-year-anniversary-211314)

Sanjay Pinto | Updated: May 15, 2012 21:24 IST

Chennai: Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa is known to be a voracious reader. I'm sure she has read Dale Carnegie's "How To Win Friends & Influence People". As the pendulum swings every five years in Tamil Nadu, that's what the Chennai Super Queen has been doing every decade. Winning allies and influencing voters. Every new innings has been the result of a huge comeback; a landslide victory that would make psephologists eat humble pie. I've reported extensively on Amma's election campaigns, her second innings and the start of her third stint.

2011, in some measure, comes across as an encore of 2001, in more ways than one! I'm not merely referring to the Michael Jackson style wave and the flashing of the victory sign to the sea of supporters from her balcony that I witnessed outside Poes Garden as a twenty eight year old correspondent; and now an Editor in my late thirties! It's the will to take her opponents head on, the will to fulfill election promises and the will to take tough, even 'unpopular' decisions.

So after one year in office, what does Jayalalithaa's report card look like?

Comparisons can be odious. To be fair to Jayalalithaa, her performance must be viewed keeping in mind, two important facts. First, running a Govt not as an ally of a ruling coalition at the Centre is not quite the same as a regime with a 'Most Favoured State' tag. Unlike the previous DMK dispensation, the present AIADMK Govt has got the short end of the stick from the Centre. And the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister has made no bones about the "discrimination meted out to non-Congress ruled States"; through a slew of letters to the Prime Minister on a host of issues, ranging from financial assistance to the demand for more power from the Central grid or at least the entire power generated from Koodankulam. Secondly, the State's coffers were not just empty; a one lakh crore debt greeted the new incumbent.

Against this backdrop, Jayalalithaa's Robert Frost like 'I have promises to keep' persistence deserves encomiums. From free rice to mixers and grinders, cows & goats, laptops, the list goes on. This was enough to prompt one of her Ministers to break into a customary adulatory tone with this gem: "All along our hearts used to beat 'Lub Dub, Lub Dub. Now it's Laptop, laptop!" Doling out freebies after inheriting a huge debt, calls for a great deal of financial skill. That's a big tick mark.

Talking of freebies, would inverters be a good bet?! When Karunanidhi gave ration rice for a rupee, (a DMK election catchphrase coined by former Telecom Minister Dayanidhi Maran, then was 'a kilo and a hello for one rupee!) and free TVs in 2006, that needed cable connections for a hundred rupees, there were questions raised by critics. Now, is it pertinent to ask: 'Mixers & grinders but no power?' The State is reeling under a massive power shortage, exacerbated by the Centre's refusal to pitch in, despite repeated pleas for help. If Chennai faces a two hour power cut every day in peak summer, there are districts that suffer up to 8 hour outages. Power is well and truly the Govt's nemesis. Quite like Mathematics on my school report card, this singular issue is pulling down the overall score.

And the biggest plus point? Ask any average resident of Tamil Nadu about the AIADMK's biggest USP; and you will get a stock reply: Law & Order. You will not come across cops making excuses like "our hands are tied" during the AIADMK rule. A free hand is the hallmark of effective policing - a simple prescription that led to the elimination of the Veerappan menace during her previous tenure. This matters more than fund allocation for the police budget. If officers are to be believed, the khakhi clad dept doesn't have party workers poking their noses into their work.

Like a shrewd captain, Jayalalithaa knows how to pick the best players in the bureaucracy and where to field the right hands just like she did during that massive tsunami reconstruction project. The first posting soon after being sworn in as Chief Minister was that of JK Tripathy as the Chennai Police Commissioner. A tough, no nonsense, honest officer with a firm grasp of city policing, his appointment resulted in many rowdy gangs taking to their heels! K Ramanujam, known for his high integrity and a seasoned intelligence officer as the State Police Chief, the US educated S George, who was sidelined by the previous Govt as his second in command and to also oversee the entire crackdown on land grabbing, Sheila Priya who had a record stint as Secretary to the Governor as her main trusted lieutenant, along with good officers like Rama Mohan Rao & Ramalingam, Debendranath Sarangi, an efficient officer as the Chief Secretary, Amaresh Pujari, with his rich experience in the Intelligence Bureau, as the IG Intelligence & Dr J Radhakrishnan, former Nagapattinam Collector during the tsunami to head the implementation of Special Programmes, speak volumes about the intention of the Govt. What's noteworthy is that many officers who held plum positions in the DMK Govt were not sent to the boondocks but have been posted in key positions, some like Dr Karthikeyan, were even retained as Chennai Corporation Commissioner. Bringing back retired DGP R Nataraj as the Chairman of the Tamil Nadu Public Service Commission to ensure that the body that was involved in a scam earlier, is "more about service and not about 'commission' was a masterstroke.

However, the sudden transfer of Sheela Rani Chunkath from the Home Dept, the young dynamic IT Secretary Santhosh Babu, PWC Davidar and five Transport Commissioners in one year, have been discussed in hush tones in the Secretariat.

If there were doubts expressed about the competence of a particular law officer, the appointment of PH Arvindh Pandian, as Tamil Nadu's youngest Additional Advocate General has certainly sent the right signals in legal circles. With the disproportionate assets case in Bengaluru still quite a thorn in her flesh, Jayalalithaa will need all the acumen at her command to overcome the last legal hurdle placed by her bete noire.

The handling of the Mullaperiyar stand-off - along the Tamil Nadu-Kerala border and then the legal battle that the State recently won on raising the height of the dam - are feathers in Amma's cap.

The convent educated Chief Minister, who has often said that she would have become a top notch lawyer, had she not entered tinsel town, seems very comfortable in corporate conclaves, rubbing shoulders with world leaders, like Hillary Clinton and business tycoons. Tamil Nadu has well and truly emerged as the Detroit of Asia with automobile goliaths like Yamaha, Daimler, Eicher & Nissan, among others setting up shop here. The huge employment spin off is too conspicuous to be missed. However, there are murmurs about clearances for building sanction plans and some other projects being mired in red tape. Political opponents cite the delay in the approval of the renovated portion of the MA Chidambaram cricket stadium, under the auspices of BCCI Chief N Srinivasan, said to be close to the Marans, as an example. However officials insist it boils down to rules and there is nothing political about it.

Jayalalithaa, has time and again, demonstrated her crisis management skills. We saw that during the tsunami in the past and we've seen that with the response to the devastation caused by the 'Thane' cyclone. When sufficient vitamin-M didn't seem forthcoming from the Centre, she made an appeal to the public that opened the floodgates to donations.

If it was banning religious conversions the last time that caused heartburn among Christians, it is a different sort of conversion that has sparked criticism from many quarters! The decision to convert the new Secretariat Complex and the Anna Centenary Library - both pet projects of Karunanidhi, into hospitals may not have been what the doctor ordered and will have to stand the test of judicial scrutiny. To some extent, goodwill of the laptop scheme for students may have been dented by the Government's perceived intransigence over the Uniform School Syllabus; ultimately resolved by the Supreme Court.

Taking tough decisions is not new to the 64 year old Chief Minister. Government employees who resorted to a strike the last time, got a taste of the iron hand. That hand resurfaced just after the Sankarankovil by poll and took the Koodankulam protestors, who thought the State Govt was on their side, by surprise. A placard: "Why is the Govt slapping cases of waging war against the State on thousands of its own people who are peacefully campaigning for solar energy as against the hazards of nuclear power?" summed up the standoff. AIADMK insiders point out that their Amma who pioneered the rain water harvesting scheme and who has now banned plastics and is setting up another tiger reserve in Sathyamangalam, needs no environmental lessons from anyone. And that the nod for Koodankulam was given only after a safety audit.

The 2001 midnight arrest of Karunanidhi may have backfired. But that didn't deter the AIADMK Govt this time, from cracking down on land grabbing and arresting almost three fourth of the erstwhile DMK cabinet. The vendetta card was predictably flagged by the DMK. But with the party that is not even the principal opposition in the assembly, ensured that the backlash was minimal, if at all.

Setting her own house in order, quite literally, Jayalalithaa even expelled her aide Sasikala and the entire 'Garden Coterie' that observers felt were interfering in areas that didn't concern them, was a bold move. Sasikala, of course,is back after an explanation. But the line between household and government and party, one hears, has been clearly drawn.

Contrary to common perception, Jayalalithaa can be quite courteous to the media. She is one political leader who, no matter what, will always wish you back, when you greet her. When she took over as Chief Minister for the first time in 1996, she started on a great note, in the absence of a real political opposition, requesting the media to play that role. But in course of time, the equation changed. In her second innings, about a hundred defamation cases were slapped against mediapersons but later withdrawn. Last year, as she drove in to Fort. St. George, her promise or rather "deal" with the media - of a weekly interaction, was music to all our ears. Sadly, it lasted just three weeks! But her PR Dept has been efficiently sending out press releases; something that doesn't help the electronic media adequately.

Politically, Jayalalithaa is on a strong wicket; with even the BJP cosying up to her. Not to speak of other regional parties. If the AIADMK manages to win about thirty seats in '201 whenever' Amma could well emerge as King Maker. I will never forget her smile and the response 'Thank You For The Compliment' when I asked her if she would like to be Prime Minister one day, given her experience and competence.

Now for the final score card! Keeping in mind the constraints it has had to work under and based on a dispassionate assessment, I'd give this Govt a First Class. I'd perhaps top that up to Distinction if I get that exclusive interview! Meanwhile, Congratulations, Amma!

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 06:37 PM

2G scam is already killed when MMS allowed Raja to continue. Since all the top people of the country is involved, even BJP may not want to pursue the case honestly. Lets windup everything and ready to welcome Raja as DMK's top guy in TN West

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 06:49 PM

Even JJ's rule can be better, if she did not touch the Anna Centinary Library, samacheer kalvi, monorail moved on by this time and probably her view on metro...
TNLA Assembly, i will say DMK and ADMK both are equally responsible
some of JJ's huge draw backs.
1. no control on sand mafia
2. Samacheer kalvi
3. her ego on Anna centinary library
4. not taking care of Tier 2 Cities
5. Sasikala's drama
6. bribe at its peak now.
7. failed on mono rail implementation. though i am confident it is on right track now.
8. silent on coovum cleaning & restoration.
9. Only "Paper" projects on water bodies restoration.
10. poor manguni minister and their execution.

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 06:49 PM

^^ 1.76 L crore and a life gone. சாதிக் பாட்சா குடும்பத்துக்கு என்ன பதில் ?

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 06:51 PM

Even JJ's rule can be better, if she did not touch the Anna Centinary Library, samacheer kalvi, monorail moved on by this time and probably her view on metro...
TNLA Assembly, i will say DMK and ADMK both are equally responsible

Library maintenance cost as told in assembly

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90136593&postcount=341

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 06:57 PM

^^ 1.76 L crore and a life gone. சாதிக் பாட்சா குடும்பத்துக்கு என்ன பதில் ?
Arasiyalee ithellam satharanappa...
when Sathik batcha enjoyed the huge money from Raja, that time is his family think about "dharma, law etc..?"..
lets take 1 more thondar has sacrificed his life for "dravida" party..

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 06:59 PM

Library maintenance cost as told in assembly

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90136593&postcount=341
yes.. it is already built right.. so let it be and try to get some additional fund. try to allocate some more fund and build some good libraries in all the big cities and towns.
do you think all the libraries are maintained well by the funds allocated to them before they built this centinary library?

natarajan1986

May 15th, 2012, 07:02 PM

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 07:12 PM

I know we talked about it few days back and Shyam was skeptical. Here is latest North-dakota oil news

ND overtakes Alaska to become second largest oil producer in the US. Something tells me that it will change the energy policy of US for sure which will have some ripple effects across

http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_20627405/north-dakota-becomes-nations-second-leading-oil-producer

And it's no paper oil ;) Looks like transformation happening around the state is for real. Another town booming

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/65555/group/homepage/

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 07:25 PM

karkal

May 15th, 2012, 07:33 PM

Indefinite hunger strike against Kudankulam N-plant called off (http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?contentId=11597200&programId=1073754912&tabId=13)

Chennai: The People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE) leading the protest against the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project Tuesday announced its decision of call off its indefinite hunger strike while continuing with the relay fasting.

PMANE's Struggle Committee in a statement said it was calling off the hunger strike, as requested by former chief justice of Madras and Delhi high courts A.P. Shah and others.

"Although 25 men and 302 women were on indefinite hunger strike from May 1 and May 4, respectively, neither the Government of Tamil Nadu nor the Government of India invited us for talks or any kind of negotiations on our 11 demands," the statement said.

It said the "central and state governments rushed to talk to Maoists who kidnap and kill officials and politicians. They even grant their demands".

"But these governments completely dismiss the legitimate demands of our fishermen and farmers who have been waging a peaceful, non-violent and democratic struggle for the past nine months. This is definitely not a healthy trend and it could send wrong messages to our youth and children," the statement added.

It said that with the termination of the hunger strike, its relay fast protest had resumed.

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 08:34 PM

^^ KT could you add some more points?
1. so u.s will stop importing oil from Gulf? if it does, how it can control oil trading in us$ to keep the us$ value?
2. the u.s will start exporting the oil to its friendly nations to maintain its us$ value?
3. Recently i saw a news heading that Iran agreed to receive Indian Rs for its Oil share..

US dependency on Gulf won't end anytime in near future. And definitely not so soon. As this article says (http://www.runningwithoil.com/?p=26) that's far far away.

It definitely will be an important issue IMO in the forthcoming presidential election. With Solyndra failure Obama will be on defensive too and won't oppose much to GOP's likely drill-baby-drill campaign. Alternative energy I think will remain alternative for a while.

But good news for US and possibly the rest of the world is, as the article reports the bakken formation is here to last beyond 5 or 10 years (which was the original prediction)

Also keep a tab on http://www.runningwithoil.com/ for exclusive up-to-date news on ND oil

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 08:42 PM

^^ thanks KT

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 08:57 PM

^^ small correction, runningwithoil.com is a nice reference site with sensible, cautiously optimistic articles. But they don't update it. It is a field visit study site from 2011. For updates on the bakken on day-to-day basis visit

http://www.ndoil.org/
http://www.bakkenblog.com/bakken/HOME.html

Local ND city press

http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/event/group/group/Oil/

krishnaswamy

May 15th, 2012, 09:18 PM

^^.what a coincidence...
http://www.maalaimalar.com/2012/05/15165627/India-plan-to-reduce-crude-oil.html
இதனையடுத்து ஈரானிடமிருந்து இறக்குமதி செய்யும் கச்சா எண்ணையை 11 சதவீதத்துக்கும் மேல் குறைத்து 15.5 மில்லியன் டன் எண்ணை மட்டும் இறக்குமதி செய்ய மத்திய அரசு முடிவெடுத்துள்ளது. மாநிலங்களவையில் பெட்ரோலியத் துறை இணைஅமைச்சர் ஆர்.பி.என். சிங் எழுத்து மூலம் அளித்த பதிலில் இதைத் தெரிவித்தார்.

geico2000

May 15th, 2012, 09:51 PM

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 09:54 PM

^^ Where did you read the news that they broke bus glasses?

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 10:20 PM

English summary

A public interest petition filed in the Madras High court to take action on Vanniyar Sangam leader Kaduvetti Guru' for his speech against inter-caste marriage system.

http://tamil.oneindia.in/news/2012/05/15/tamilnadu-case-against-kaduvetti-guru-high-court-154015.html

Someone posted this comment for this news :D

//காடு வெட்டுறது என் பொழப்பு ... திருமணத்துல கூடாது கலப்பு .... வீணா உங்க உயிர் ஆய்டும் இழப்பு .... //

geico2000

May 15th, 2012, 10:25 PM

US dependency on Gulf won't end anytime in near future. And definitely not so soon. As this article says (http://www.runningwithoil.com/?p=26) that's far far away.

It definitely will be an important issue IMO in the forthcoming presidential election. With Solyndra failure Obama will be on defensive too and won't oppose much to GOP's likely drill-baby-drill campaign. Alternative energy I think will remain alternative for a while.

But good news for US and possibly the rest of the world is, as the article reports the bakken formation is here to last beyond 5 or 10 years (which was the original prediction)

Also keep a tab on http://www.runningwithoil.com/ for exclusive up-to-date news on ND oil

If we see the US dependence of Gulf oil its only 1/6 th.

Sep-11 Oct-11 Nov-11 Dec-11 Jan-12 Feb-12

All Countries
336,277 340,821 334,992 339,652 339,255 303,455
Persian Gulf
61,163 59,034 58,331 59,555 68,443 6,484
OPEC*
129,791 132,271 126,561 126,630 130,305 115,594

OPEC consists of many non-Gulf countries.

Non OPEC*
206,486 208,550 208,431 213,022 208,950 187,861

The top exporters of oil to US are as of Feb

Canada
84,873 83,452 84,449 90,896 93,239 88,397
Saudi Arabia
44,370 34,714 36,658 40,605 44,103 41,181
Mexico
35,762 36,474 37,687 32,973 34,535 31,353
Venezuela
24,181 27,722 22,921 26,662 23,259 27,005
Nigeria
17,386 21,393 21,101 16,560 15,634 10,243
Colombia
15,874 17,918 12,726 15,751 13,348 13,692
Russia
17,748 21,309 22,120 17,117 17,727 8,344
Brazil
5,628 5,800 7,014 12,533 9,946 8,288

The highlight is its exporting oil from India, which imports oil from Iran.

India
648 747 1,122

If the keystone pipeline is approved US dependence on Gulf oil will get reduced. Canada has huge potential. The only problem is the price of the oil is controlled by Wall street Mafia, not by oil producing nations. Unless this changes, there wont be big change, even If US is 100% self sufficient.

geico2000

May 15th, 2012, 10:26 PM

^^ Where did you read the news that they broke bus glasses?

Read in Thinna Thanthi,it was with the photo, but could not find the link, as its outdated

kongutamizhan

May 15th, 2012, 10:35 PM

If we see the US dependence of Gulf oil its only 1/6 th.

As per US energy information administration it's between 1/4th and 1/5th. If you include few African countries also as part of middle east then it could be between 1/3rd to 1/4th. Canada is already the one of the largest partner.

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm

White house says that it is slowly declining (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/01/our-dependence-foreign-oil-declining). Good news

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/images/charts/sources_of_petroleum_net-large.gif

geico2000

May 15th, 2012, 10:38 PM

As per US energy information administration it's between 1/4th and 1/5th. If you include few African countries also as part of middle east then it could be between 1/3rd to 1/4th. Canada is already the one of the largest partner.

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm

White house says that it is slowly declining (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/01/our-dependence-foreign-oil-declining). Good news

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/images/charts/sources_of_petroleum_net-large.gif

Interesting, I got the data from the same web site.

http://205.254.135.7/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

Just realized,
If they are talking about crude oil only, then its true. The link I referred is talking about "total crude oil and products". Make sense

satchitananda

May 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM

Both the Dakotas, esp North is a dark horse when it comes to oil production. The recent groundswell in drilling is due to the tech upgrades, which makes it possible for this once booming place which went bust, to revive its fortunes.

Having said that, even if they expand drilling like how the GOP wants (Drill baby drill), the US demand is so much that it hardly will make a major dent. Even though US gets lots of cheap crude from places like venezula, once refined in places like Houston, gets reexported for markets with higher prices.

India must focus on technologies that let us wean off oil, especially for its non transport uses. Oil dependance is a key drag on Indian economy.

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 12:31 AM

The oil Industry is proud that they can now drill 5Miles in to the ocean but the technology to clean oil spill is the same as in 80's. Pathetic. One way for India to reduce oil consumption is to encourage Hybrid vehicles like Prius. The Hybrid technology can be applied in all fronts instead of going Bio-fuel, which is not a huge success as excepted. Also, we should concentrate more on solar, which is the gift to India.

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:19 AM

watching talk show on JJ's Govt 1 year in Puthiya thalaimurai channel.
Guests are not upto the mark. 1 guy from CPI. 1 guy is a lecturer from Madurai.
CPI guy is talking that TN govt does not care about workers. he is giving example of Chennai metro and he tells 100s of workers in chennai metro are working without safety...:nuts:
only one point come out has good. Govt has to take care of Educational institution..

Arul Murugan

May 16th, 2012, 08:47 AM

Chennai to Delhi

Mumbai to Kolkatta

every english paper amaiyar occupies front and last page...

:nuts:

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 09:19 AM

Krishnaswamy... Is ur initial T.S ??

saysenthil

May 16th, 2012, 10:08 AM

One-year rule which improved many schemes

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01085/16THLIGHTING_1085189f.jpg

A rollercoaster ride of enhanced welfare, big new moves and some judicial bumps

A day after the results of the 2011 Assembly elections were out, Fort St. George – a vestige of 17th century Chennai – was back in the limelight. Despite the intense May heat, Fire and Rescue Services personnel were seen sweating it out, cleaning the walls of the core portion of the Fort.

The message was loud and clear. The Secretariat, which was then, for all practical purposes, functioning from the Omandurar Government Estate on Anna Road, would return to the Fort. There was one more message: several decisions, schemes and projects of the previous Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam government were in for an overhaul.

The All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam government led by Jayalalithaa, which is entering its second year on Wednesday, has not just made drastic changes to some decisions of the previous regime but also improved substantially many schemes, especially in the area of welfare. Invariably, the improvement has been to the advantage of beneficiaries.

Take the case of marriage assistance scheme for poor girls. Earlier, it was Rs. 25,000, but the new government introduced an element of gold. It added four-gram gold coins of 22 carat for making ‘Thirumangalyam,' to the financial assistance of Rs. 25,000. Also, if the girl is a degree or diploma holder, the assistance is Rs. 50,000. Totally, about 1.2 lakh beneficiaries availed themselves of the scheme. In respect of health insurance, the new government came out with a scheme having enhanced features. Under the new scheme, the sum assured for each family would be Rs.1 lakh every year for four years and in the case of certain procedures, the ceiling would be raised to Rs.1.5 lakh per annum. But, under the previous government's scheme, the insured amount was Rs. 1 lakh, which was not adequate for some major surgeries. Likewise, the supply of 20 kg rice under the public distribution system, which was earlier given at Re. 1 a kg, is now made free of cost to around 1.85 crore family card-holders. The government has not only doubled the pension amount for beneficiaries of social security schemes but also changed the mode of payment. Against the traditional method of getting their pension through postal money orders, many beneficiaries are now receiving it through banks, using their bio-metric cards.

If these are examples of improved welfare measures, there are new initiatives too. One among them is the government's Vision Tamil Nadu 2023, laying down the plan for a comprehensive infrastructure development, identifying areas to be taken up in the next 10 years and projecting an investment requirement of Rs. 15 lakh crore. There are two more phases to be covered – preparation of project profiles and laying down implementation road map, both of which will materialise shortly, according to an official. Human development and social sector too form part of the Vision document. Though a similar document has been prepared in the case of Gujarat, one significant aspect here is that the Tamil Nadu government has taken the support of a multilateral agency – the Asian Development Bank - in preparing it.

In tune with her image of a tough decision maker, Ms. Jayalalithaa, in November, announced her government's approval for a steep hike in bus fare, milk prices and power tariff. In her televised address then, she referred to the precarious financial condition of the Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation; State Transport Corporations and the Tamil Nadu Co-operative Milk Producers' Federation. Justifying the decision, she said: “if these public sector undertakings, lying on death bed, are not given ‘oxygen' now, they will become totally dysfunctional.” In recent weeks, the Chief Minister announced a partial rollback and reduction in tariff for various sections of electricity consumers.

However, the last one year was not just full of new initiatives and improvements over the old schemes.

There were some controversial decisions such as keeping in abeyance the implementation of Samacheer Kalvi or the removal of Makkal Nala Paniyalargals at one go or the conversion of the new Assembly Secretariat complex and Anna Centenary Library (ACL) building into medical institutions. In the Samacheer Kalvi case, the Supreme Court upheld the Madras High Court's decision, declaring unconstitutional the amendment made to the Tamil Nadu Uniform System of School Education (USSE) Act to defer implementation of the USSE for classes of 2 to 5 and 7 to 10 in 2011-2012.

The issue of the termination of services of Makkal Nala Paniyalargal (MNP), another move that attracted quite a good deal of adverse publicity, was eventually resolved with the State government agreeing in the Madras High Court last month to pay five months' salary to MNPs by the end of this month as one-time payment. The High Court has stayed the decision to establish a super-specialty paediatric hospital at the present ACL complex.

However, it is the government's decision to house a multi-super specialty hospital-cum-medical college at the new Assembly Secretariat complex on the Government Estate that is still debated widely. The Madras High Court has asked the government to seek environment clearance first.

The power front remains a huge challenge to the State government. The people are waiting for an end to “perennial power cuts,” an area of priority identified by Ms. Jayalalithaa even before assumption of office. What has come as a matter of relief to them is the assessment of Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, a Central government agency involved in the execution of power projects, that nearly 3,450 MW coal-fired thermal power projects are expected to be commissioned in the State this financial year.

The controversy over the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project erupted fiercely in September last year and Ms. Jayalalithaa had at one stage called for halting the execution of the project till the concerns and fears about the plant's safety were addressed. In March, the State Cabinet, chaired by the Chief Minister, resolved to take steps for the early commissioning of the plant. It also unveiled a Rs.500-crore package of development works in Kudankulam, having regard to the local fishermen's welfare. In the intervening period, a series of meetings took place between protesters and representatives of the Central and State governments.

Besides, some of the government's flagship projects and schemes had to face roadblocks. For instance, in the case of Chennai Mono Rail project, the poor response to the first tender forced the authorities late last year to float bids again. The selection of a successful bidder is yet to be made. Conscious of several challenges on many fronts, the government, which is focusing on fiscal consolidation even while implementing numerous welfare schemes, feels that it is a matter of time that many of its grand plans and projects get fructified.

Note: Sorry Kannan Sir......

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 10:51 AM

One-year rule which improved many schemes

A rollercoaster ride of enhanced welfare, big new moves and some judicial bumps

Take the case of marriage assistance scheme for poor girls. Earlier, it was Rs. 25,000, but the new government introduced an element of gold. It added four-gram gold coins of 22 carat for making ‘Thirumangalyam,' to the financial assistance of Rs. 25,000. Also, if the girl is a degree or diploma holder, the assistance is Rs. 50,000. Totally, about 1.2 lakh beneficiaries availed themselves of the scheme. In respect of health insurance, the new government came out with a scheme having enhanced features. Under the new scheme, the sum assured for each family would be Rs.1 lakh every year for four years and in the case of certain procedures, the ceiling would be raised to Rs.1.5 lakh per annum. But, under the previous government's scheme, the insured amount was Rs. 1 lakh, which was not adequate for some major surgeries. Likewise, the supply of 20 kg rice under the public distribution system, which was earlier given at Re. 1 a kg, is now made free of cost to around 1.85 crore family card-holders. The government has not only doubled the pension amount for beneficiaries of social security schemes but also changed the mode of payment. Against the traditional method of getting their pension through postal money orders, many beneficiaries are now receiving it through banks, using their bio-metric cards.

With all these free schemes, how will the economy of the state will be in good condition. I think we will reach a point, where people will except money with the free gifts or free with another free. We should not call this welfare, its free-fare.

Next election we might see Thatha promising, free mixer grinder with 5+1 year of free Sarkku saaman, free grinder with free current with free Idly rice and a free husband ( A husband without dowry) to operate that grinder with the option of free Chutni or Sambar. From 6th year both Chutni Sambar also will be free.The free husband, will get free 101CC bike with free helmet and a free insurance. Only condition for the free husband is he should be a regular Tasmak customer.

Free pasu maddu with free punaku.
for unmarried Adults aged 18 - 25 - Free 36" Flat screen TV with free Namitha/Nithyanadha movies for 5 years with a option to extend for another 5 years. Only Uthanithi Stalin and Dayanidhi Azhagir will be producing those movies.
Thatha might have the blue print ready by now.

Imagine, how JJ will counter offer or JJ will try to 1 up these schemes! Thagathuda sami Tamilnadu.

I am wondering when poppy Bush (athaba namma George W Bush) before sending those $600 rebate checks in 2008, consulted with Thatha and JJ.

Kannan - vairuarichal thangama type adichuten, feel free to correct if you feel that something is not suited.

saysenthil

May 16th, 2012, 10:56 AM

Rs 25 cr spent on Jaya’s ‘one year in office’ ads (http://zeenews.india.com/news/tamil-nadu/rs-25-cr-spent-on-jaya-s-one-year-in-office-ads_775612.html)

^^

Twitterverse makes fun of Jayalalithaa's ad campaigns (http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Twitterverse-makes-fun-of-Jayalalithaa-s-ad-campaigns/Article1-856475.aspx)

Tamil Nadu chief minister Jayalalithaa is celebrating her one year in office, and the taxpayer is paying for the party. The Tamil Nadu government published fullpage ads in leading national papers on Wednesday.

The front page ads in at least five newspapers of the country sparked
outrage and ridicule on Twitter.

With a full-length picture of saree-clad Jayalalithaa posing on the front page, the ad goes on to detail the achievements of the Tamil Nadu government in past one year.

While majority of tweeple poked fun on the ads and Jayalalithaa, there were some who came to her defence. The buzz was so much that the Tamil Nadu CM started trending in India.

Sample this:

@JayHind: Jayalalitha is looking so slim in that old photo used for the front page ad in Express I thought it's a Talwalkar's ad.

@coolfunnytshirt: Looking at Jayalalitha, i think its fair to say that she can be accommodated in a newspaper only if her pic starts from the first page !

@Blogus_Maximus: On d 1st anniversary of her rule,Jayalalitha is trending.pipe down tweeps else dis will appear as another achievement in next year's papers

@alokejoshi: Twitter today is bottom heavy..3 south Indians trending..Jayalalitha (Really heavy)...A Raja & Yeddyurappa (Pocket Heavy with Scam Money)

@rahulvsd: Felt 'Superpowerful' when the CM of the state was on my doormat this morning #Jayalalitha

@IRavinderjain: #Jayalalitha dignified with poise and #no-nonsense look on all dailies of today ala Narendra Modi

@Harsh19shah: Tamil Nadu CM Jayalalitha on almost each and every National newspaper of India!! Such a waste of resources!!!

@desikhichdi: Jayalalitha eveywhere..even ET SUCCUMBED

@amitmalik99: Millions of tax payer money wasted on Adverts by Jayalalitha in all newspapers today. Wat a shame.

@beastoftraal: The Times of Jayalalitha.Hindustan Jayalalitha. Jayalalitha Age. Jayalalitha Express

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 11:13 AM

With all these free schemes, how will the economy of the state will be in good condition.

Ahem Ahem!

TN can grow at more than 10 per cent a year (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/tn-can-grow-at-more-than-10-per-centyear-/474443/)

Tamil Nadu’s fiscal situation seems to be relatively comfortable, since the revenue account is in surplus, revenues are by and large buoyant, and the debt-GDP ratio is also relatively low compared to other states.

The fiscal deficit is below the Fiscal Responsibility and Budget Management Act limit of three per cent. The debt-GDP ratio is also low compared to other states and is slated to come down further. These are positive developments.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 11:29 AM

Anyways today only came to know( through those omnipresent ads) that those gold for Mangalyam and money for women who are to be married came with a very important rider:

educated, poor women: 4 gm of gold +25,000 rupees

Degree/diploma women : 4 gm gold + 50,000 rupees

Good initiative!! :applause:

Would act as an incentive to poor women education and also would disincentivize young girls(<18) from getting married as they have to have a degree/diploma..

Another great scheme is the free milch cows/goats scheme to BPL women!!

2 terrific schemes for women empowerment!

madurakarenda

May 16th, 2012, 11:38 AM

educated, poor women: 4 gm of gold +25,000 rupees

Degree/diploma women : 4 gm gold + 50,000 rupees

Good initiative!!

Murlee, getting a degree/diploma costs less than 25,000 rupees?

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Murlee, getting a degree/diploma costs less than 25,000 rupees?

Er.. don't get u..

This is given as a marriage assistance and not for getting a degree.

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 12:06 PM

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 12:07 PM

Murlee, getting a degree/diploma costs less than 25,000 rupees?

getting will be costly, but buying wont, that too if you are in Hyd. The last rate I have heard for paper chasing in MKU is Rs 1000 for UG and Rs 3000 for PG. So out of 24 papers in UG, if you leave Tamil its only 20. So its below the stipulated budget. 5K savings for Tea/Coffee/Vada/Bachi/Bonda and changing attendance.

I think we don't need to worry too much about this as in the near future, free Degree without going to college with no Exams scheme may come.

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 12:13 PM

Ahem Ahem!

Imagine our TN's economy without all these unnecessary free Schemes or may be other states are performing so poorly, so TN is looking as shinning.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 12:26 PM

Imagine our TN's economy without all these unnecessary free Schemes or may be other states are performing so poorly, so that TN is looking as shinning.

U may think them as unnecessary as u are probably sitting in a AC office with access to internet and stuff..

Remember not everyone is as fortunate as u are!

Like it nor not, our constitution envisioned a welfare state and not a 100% capitalistic state. ( Read article 38 of our constitution for example)

And schemes which u consider unnecessary, if they are schemed to empower the disenfranchised of the state, it will be done! ( refer article 46 of constitution for example)

P.S: By 'u', I am not making a personal remark but referring to the cynical middle class in general who enjoy lot of 'freebies' too like subsidised diesel, LPG, electricity etc and raise a hue and cry when prices of those are raised even by Rs 1 but sulk at the so called 'freebies' when they are given to the desperately poor!

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 01:20 PM

Horrific!

bvn7kYh4J6s

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 01:34 PM

U may think them as unnecessary as u are probably sitting in a AC office with access to internet and stuff..

Remember not everyone is fortunate as u are!

Like it nor not, our constitution envisioned a welfare state and not a 100% capitalistic state. ( Read article 38 of our constitution for example)

And schemes which u consider unnecessary, if they are schemed to empower the disenfranchised of the state, it will be done! ( refer article 46 of constitution for example)

P.S: By 'u', I am not making a personal remark but referring to the cynical middle class in general who enjoy lot of 'freebies' too like subsidised diesel, LPG, electricity etc and raise a hue and cry when prices of those are raised even by Rs 1 but sulk at the so called 'freebies' when they are given to the desperately poor!

I don't know how you assume that I am sitting in a AC office(typical mindset of many people, when freebee's are questioned) but even though if I sit it doesn't matter as I had worked for that.

For your knowledge, I am a son of a private bus conductor, who sent me to school with Rs 180/monthly salary. The conductor with this salary, was able to support 3 kids till Post graduate education and support daily life of the 5 member family. He retired only in 2009 not so far, with a pay of 6000/month. I studied in a government school, did my degree in a government college with scholarship. so by using the existing government welfare schemes, such as scholarships, when a family like this is able to climb the economy chain, why cant others do. As you know for a conductor job in a private bus doesn't need any qualification, except hard work. I know many like this whose father was a mason, a daily wager etc. The daily wager daughter is working in Colgate as a manager and masons' son is working as a Banker. If you work hard and have a vision (basically parents vision), you can do that in our welfare state model. The problem is many are lazy and don't want to work hard, who need free-fare state.

yes, our constitution envisioned a welfare state not a freebee state. There is a difference between welfare state and a freebee state. I am not against all welfare schemes, I am against free-fare schemes. Do we need a free TV? free mixer ? free laptop? free gas stove? when we don't have enough toilets. As you know Tamilnadu is one of the worst state in public sanitation and India is the worst country in the world in public sanitation. The tiny Srilankan Island is fare ahead in Education and public sanitation. There are really some good welfare schemes like free lunch, scholarships, free bus pass etc. Are we not becoming a banana republic by giving most of the stuff as free. Are we not making our citizens to except that government is for free bees and are we not making them lazy. Imagine if the money spend on free TV is invested in improving the sanitation facility , it would have changed the face of TN.

Does the so called "schemed to empower the disenfranchised of the state" empower free TV/mixer/laptops? Most of the Europe is also welfare state only, but they don't give any freebees.

subsidized diesel, LPG, electricity? As you know India is one of the country where the tax on petroleum products is highest in the world. When a layman pays such high tax for petrol/diesel, he excepts that money to spend wisely by the government. Have you ever wondered why we are supposed to pay for the new toll roads, when we pay for a partial amount as part of petrol/diesel price for those roads? Because the money dedicated for that purpose is not used for it. Recently the honorable Supreme court has asked the same question. I am not against paying toll, if I get a good road but why should I pay twice. The free-ware class doesn't bother when petroleum products prices are raised because they don't pay tax and they get most of the stuff free. But the middle class works hard, pay taxes and naturally they get frustrated. instead of spending time on designing some useless free-ware schemes, the government should spend time implementing and reducing taxes or Hybrid/solar technologies which will reduce our dependence on Oil.

When the free-ware class can afford a bike, a modern cellphone and can maintain them, how come they are not able to put their kids in to the low cost government education system, because they don't want to do that.

Raising prices of electricity is not going to solve the problem. The problem when free electricity was given it was not restricted to certain sections of people based on income. Also, the free electricity scheme "One hut, One light" is misused in such a extent that they consume most of the power in a grid. Apart from that, Power theft and organizational disarray is a major reason for loss of revenue for EB. Raising the prices wont help unless EB is reformed. Our constitution does not entitle for free power. Let everybody pay for the power.

In the current scenario, if a able adult goes for a daily wage, he will be able to earn a minimum of Rs 200/day, which is Rs 400 for a family which is more than enough for running a normal life. With the existing (original) welfare schemes, if they want they can climb up else they can be dependent on new government free-ware schemes.

Remember our Constitution is not designed for India, it was basically copied from British. So I don't always feel proud when we talk or refer that. May be one day we will get our own sense and brains to write our own. Also it can be changed as time and country's economic landscape changes.

Note : Nothing is personal here.

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 02:28 PM

excellent post there geico :applause:

venkatm

May 16th, 2012, 02:35 PM

Excellent write up, Geico. Your piece must have been in the paper instead of JJ's achievements

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 02:39 PM

I don't know how you assume that I am sitting in a AC office(typical mindset of many people, when freebee's are questioned) but even though if I sit it doesn't matter as I had worked for that.

For your knowledge, I am a son of a private bus conductor, who sent me to school with Rs 180/monthly salary. The conductor with this salary, was able to support 3 kids till Post graduate education and support daily life of the 5 member family. He retired only in 2009 not so far, with a pay of 6000/month. I studied in a government school, did my degree in a government college with scholarship. so by using the existing government welfare schemes, such as scholarships, when a family like this is able to climb the economy chain, why cant others do. As you know for a conductor job in a private bus doesn't need any qualification, except hard work. I know many like this whose father was a mason, a daily wager etc. The daily wager daughter is working in Colgate as a manager and masons' son is working as a Banker. If you work hard and have a vision (basically parents vision), you can do that in our welfare state model. The problem is many are lazy and don't want to work hard, who need free-fare state.

Happy for ur success and I added the word 'probably' in the first line and also added in P.S. that by 'u' I am talking abt the cynical middle class in general.

yes, our constitution envisioned a welfare state not a freebee state. There is a difference between welfare state and a freebee state. I am not against all welfare schemes, I am against free-fare schemes. Do we need a free TV? free mixer ? free laptop? free gas stove? when we don't have enough toilets. Do you know Tamilnadu is one of the worst state in public sanitation and India is the worst country in the world in public sanitation. The tiny Srilankan Island is fare ahead in Education and public sanitation. There are really some good welfare schemes like free lunch, scholarships, free bus pass etc. Are we not becoming a banana republic by giving most of the stuff as free. Are we not making our citizens to except that government is for free bees and are we not making them lazy. Imagine if the money spend on free TV is invested in improving the sanitation facility , it would have changed the face of TN.

Does the so called "schemed to empower the disenfranchised of the state" empower free TV/mixer/laptops? Most of the Europe is also welfare state only, but they don't give any freebees.

Again.. it is ur premise that they are freebies and not a tool for empowerment that is causing this disagreement btwn us.
Lemme try to break down each n every point.

Free TV: TVs are an important tool in information dissemination in today's time. Even the census calculates the TV penetration in each and every state in this country( I can give u the reference if u don't believe me). Why do u think a Govt census would calculate TV penetration if it has no significance? But, I agree with u on 1 count: It was given to everyone and not the poor alone by DMK govt which I don't agree with. That was wrong and waste of money.

Free mixer/grinder: Important to note that this Jaya govt is doing this only for the poor and especially women.
These are important tools of women empowerment IMO. We have already discussed this in SSC but I would again give this link to ur benefit. Machines like mixie, grinder, washing machine etc are tools for women empowerment. I am not saying this. This was concluded by Vatican newspaper. Washing machine liberated women most? (http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/03/09/us-washingmachine-idINTRE5285G820090309)

To understand why, plz see this video http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_and_the_magic_washing_machine.html

Free laptop: Again.. investment for the future. Laptops aren't given to some kuppan or suppan but to 12th and higher education students. And these are for Govt schools and colleges which would mean most of the benefit would go to students from poor families. Internet has become a huge learning medium today and a reason why urban students are able to excel more is due to the access to internet. I am sure u would have seen videos of Khan Academy in youtube. Excellent info given freely to everyone( Another 'freebie' ;) ) And today, especially with initiatives by world class universities like Harvard, MIT etc (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/article3419028.ece) to give free courses over the internet, it is imperative to have a laptop and internet for todays students.

Sanitation : Yes, I know abt the dismal state of sanitation in TN. Refer page 15 of this thread where we had already discussed this issue Tamilnadu Statistical Info | தமிழக புள்ளிவிவரம்
(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1419252&page=15)

And u talk as if Govt is not taking any initiative. CM hikes aid for building rural toilets by 150% (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cm-hikes-aid-for-building-rural-toilets-by-150/252525-60-118.html).. It is not either or scenario. Funds are allocated for different needs.

subsidized diesel, LPG, electricity? Do you know India is one of the country where the tax on petroleum products is highest in the world. When a layman pays such high tax for petrol/diesel, he excepts that money to spend wisely by the government. Have you ever wondered why we are supposed to pay for the new toll roads, when we pay for a partial amount as part of petrol/diesel price for those roads? Because the money dedicated for that purpose is not used for it. Recently the honorable Supreme court has asked the same question. I am not against paying toll, if I get a good road but why should I pay twice. The free-ware class doesn't bother when petroleum products prices are raised because they don't pay tax and they get most of the stuff free. But the middle class works hard, pay taxes and naturally they get frustrated. instead of spending time on designing some useless free-ware schemes, the government should spend time implementing and reducing taxes or Hybrid/solar technologies which will reduce our dependence on Oil.

:lol: U expect a BPL family ( living under Rs 32/day) to pay taxes? Sorry..

When the free-ware class can afford a bike, a modern cellphone and can maintain them, how come they are not able to put their kids in to the low cost government education system, because they don't want to do that.

:? :? I think u misunderstood. How will a family having bike, phone etc be coing under BPL category? Plz go and read the schemes by today's govt and see who they are giving these freebies too..

Raising prices of electricity is not going to solve the problem. The problem when free electricity was given it was not restricted to certain sections of people based on income. Also, the free electricity scheme "One hut, One light" is misused in such a extent that they consume most of the power in a grid. Apart from that, Power theft and organizational disarray is a major reason for loss of revenue for EB. Raising the prices wont help unless some the EB is reformed. Our constitution does not entitle for free power. Let everybody pay for the power.

Seriously, don't get emotional and speak without facts. Plz have a look at the cost of electricity production and how much we were paying earlier. Those free supply are extremely negligible in the overall scheme of things. And TN has one of the lowest T&D losses in the country. I remember posting a chart comparing various states.. U can search in SSC Tn threads.

Remember our Constitution is not designed for India, it was basically copied from British. So I don't always feel proud when we talk or refer that. May be one day we will get our own sense and brains to write our own. Also it can be changed as time changes.

So what if we copied from British? ( Well, actually it was mostly a copy of 1935 Govt of India Act). The point is, welfare state is the goal. Even super rich Scandinavian countries follow that.. Go have a look.

Note : Nothing is personal here.

Thank you.. Same here..

Anniyan

May 16th, 2012, 02:43 PM

25 crore advts was sponsored by TN Govt or ADMK Party?

doccbe

May 16th, 2012, 02:46 PM

Very rational... Geico. It will be good if everybody has a rational thinking like this.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 03:00 PM

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 03:05 PM

25 crore advts was sponsored by TN Govt or ADMK Party?

I think TN govt.. what a waste of money!!

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 03:06 PM

http://www.tn.gov.in/seithi_veliyeedu/pr16May12/pr160512q.jpg

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 03:07 PM

^^ What is that brown colored thing on their plates??

Cutlet?

Kavalier

May 16th, 2012, 03:10 PM

snip

:applause::applause::applause:

Kandeeban

May 16th, 2012, 03:12 PM

sanjaysan

May 16th, 2012, 03:14 PM

^^ What is that brown colored thing on their plates??

Cutlet?

Murlee Sir, I think it is a piece of Coffe cake ... But not sure... :lol:

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 03:26 PM

I don't know how you assume that I am sitting in a AC office(typical mindset of many people, when freebee's are questioned) but even though if I sit it doesn't matter as I had worked for that.

******
Remember our Constitution is not designed for India, it was basically copied from British. So I don't always feel proud when we talk or refer that. May be one day we will get our own sense and brains to write our own. Also it can be changed as time and country's economic landscape changes.

Note : Nothing is personal here.

Geico.. Proud of your personal achievements. As you know from your own experience, its the inner exertion of the goldmine of talents that has moved the needle in your personal path. May you scale more peaks in life. Hope you take this spirit to every aspect of life and achieve more greatness.

I am really proud of your dad. Despite his limitations, he became a strong ladder for your family. This is the reason why mankind has risen to greater success.

Geico, with success comes responsibility.. you can make a much larger impact than you dream of. Realize your inner potential.. Thanks for sharing your success story.. :applause:

Kandeeban

May 16th, 2012, 03:29 PM

This is the reason why mankind has risen to greater success.

What do u mean by the above statement? 2 billion humans depend on the technical success of the west to keep themselves alive... what is the success of mankind here???:nuts:

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 03:32 PM

Welfare state/freebies:
There are pros and cons... and we Tamilians are so self-deprecating that we only look at the bad things within us... if we project ourselves so low, no wonder others don't respect us.... lets take things in the right perspective...
Even here i see Murlee and Geico and followers stick only to extreme stands... the world is not binary , guys...

But good going Murlee:)

Thanks Kandeeban..

Reg. taking extreme stands..

Let me make it very clear that I am not in favour of all free schemes and supporting them blindly..

3 of the biggest schemes of ADMK govt( by money value) are the laptop scheme, mixie/grinder scheme and free cow/sheep scheme..
{ I am not including subsidies on free rice, mid-day meals etc assuming everyone would agree these are good schemes and don't call them 'freebies'}

And I believe these schemes have a empowering value to them and I have told the reasons why. Its not abt blindly supporting... Afterall, I am not gonna benefit from even 1 of these 'freebies' scheme..

Kandeeban

May 16th, 2012, 03:34 PM

Afterall, I am not gonna benefit from even 1 of these 'freebies' scheme..

:) precisely the point...
Most ppl look at it from "whats there in it for me" point of view..but we shud really look at it from a more broader perspective...
Agree

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 03:41 PM

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 03:45 PM

What do u mean by the above statement? 2 billion humans depend on the technical success of the west to keep themselves alive... what is the success of mankind here???:nuts:

Thanks for letting me clarify.. Dogs and cats also take care of its little ones.. upto a certain time.. But humans have this special bond that they can sacrifice much longer.. I can testify for myself with the innumerable sacrifices my parents made.. Geico shared that his dad went the extra mile to support his kids.

If you see the histoy of life on earth, the last 10000 years are the most advanced (unless you belive in ancient aliens ;) ) .. Each generation has stood on the shoulders of its previous and extended further. Hence current society has been able to reap the cumulative rewards of the past, which is unlike other animals.

Kandeeban

May 16th, 2012, 03:48 PM

>> Each generation has stood on the shoulders of its previous and extended further.

Hmmm ... in the tropics this did not happen for long...

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 03:53 PM

>> Each generation has stood on the shoulders of its previous and extended further.

Hmmm ... in the tropics this did not happen for long...

Sorry my friend.. either you are looking at some individual personal situations or being myopic. I didnot mean that every single individual gets the same benefit. But if you see as a society as a collective entity, (black out the negative historic incidents), the trend has been to build on the past.

One may argue due to historic certain situations or certain classes in society being at the wrong end, that there has not been overall growth. Its like saying India has no growth in Space technology as millions are BPL. Both realities are true, but the larger trend is what I mentioned.

Kandeeban

May 16th, 2012, 03:55 PM

You cant claim the success of the West as our own just cos all of us still happen to be classified under the same bracket "Human species" :)

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 04:00 PM

@Freebie culture

When you rob the initiative of an individual to exert himself/herself, you rob their future. Individual schemes may not be the issue, its the overall mindset. It is not even the taxes that support these freebies.. look at the debt... its all borrowed from future..

The key is to inculcate a sense of ownership. The beginning of end of democracy is when people find that they can vote themselves whatever they want (at least the party that does that). Some use social situation, financial or cultural or whatever excuse to get a crutch. Crutches for healthy folks are just lame.

The real government should foster economy by encouraging local enterprenuership (Thats why Coimbatore, Tirupur or even better Sivakasi stand out). Of course not all can be enterprenuers. We are a nation of great past (of course lots of black days exist in our history.. that apart).. We have so many individual successes like Geico and Murlee.. well for that matter, each and every one of us have a succcess story..

Here comes the problem, Ego (in diverse shapes), lethargy, negative association, resting in old glory, lack of foresight/vision. Now add to this the last straw - you lose your confidence that you can dig your way out of the hole and start believing that only government can get you out.. or some mystery person... now you have given your last hope to others.. Thats the reason why freebie thought process systemically robs the strength from inside out.

The best way forward is to focus on inner strength which everyone is endowed.. you ask a successful handicapped person around.. ask someone who has risen from rags to riches.. they all chose not on hand outs...

Also when we ask for freebies... we tend to ignore the fiscal burden on the empty coffers..

Sir..

Actually fiscal situation of TN is pretty decent and our debt/GDP ratio is also quite low..

U said, " crutches for healthy folks are just lame".. Absolutely true. But, why do u compare to some free items given to a poor? Afterall, he is financially 'sick'..

And u talk abt entrepreneurship.. Well, isn't the free milch cow scheme trying to do that for desperately poor women?
Read in an article that a poor widow who was struggling got a cow coz of this scheme.. Now, she is using around a litre of milk for herself and selling rest to dairy co-operatives( AAVIN, I guess) for Rs 17/litre and thus earning around 1500-2000 per 10 days or so.. From that money itself, she is able to feed herself and buy good fodder to the cow. Isn't this empowerment? Isn't this good for the society? How can u call this a useless 'freebie'??

And abt laptops, well.. already talked abt that. Plz, i would like to hear why this scheme is a useless 'freebie'

And reg. mixie/grinders.. Plz just ask ur mothers/wives, how would they feel without a mixie/grinder.. ( I had actually thought this was a waste when it was announced first but then, my mother told me her viewpoint and ladies viewpoint in general. Then, i googled a bit and saw that Washing machine video and realised how empowering these machines are!! We rich and middle class people are so used to it that we don't realize the value of these machines.) And these are given to poor BPL women too..

Now plz tell me how is this a useless 'freebie'?

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 04:02 PM

You cant claim the success of the West as our own just cos all of us still happen to be classified under the same bracket "Human species" :)

Kandeeban.. I think you have missed the whole point. Please re-read what I already wrote. I didnt claim anything about technological success. Again for an individual who is BPL for generations, or socially suppressed, just doing a graduation against all odds and having a decent wage for his family is a real big success. At least in the minds of many simpletons like me.

Just because our grandmas do not have iPads like the ones in US, doesnt define success.

My thoughts were not about technology or comparing with west.. I was talking at a subtler philosophical note. If you didnt get it, you didnt.. You know what I meant.. If you didnt, think bit deeper you will get it..

Thendral

May 16th, 2012, 04:06 PM

One way for India to reduce oil consumption is to encourage Hybrid vehicles like Prius. The Hybrid technology can be applied in all fronts instead of going Bio-fuel, which is not a huge success as excepted.

Even the Hybrids/Electrics are no better at this juncture. We need a breakthrough in energy storage techniques..Recently read this article..

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/04/electric-cars

And when it comes to replacing hybrids like the Toyota Prius, two out of three owners revert back to petrol power, finds Edmunds.com, America’s most popular site for independent car-buying advice. “Even as gas prices soar, the economics of buying a hybrid vehicle don’t make much sense in many cases,” notes Lacey Plache, Edmunds.com’s chief economist.

It all comes down to the price of the lithium-ion battery, which nowadays costs a shade under $600 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of storage capacity. As an electric car capable of travelling 75 miles or so between charges needs around 24kWh of capacity, the battery alone adds $14,000 to the price of the vehicle. The result is a car that costs way too much for what it offers in fuel savings.

But a quick thing to do by the government is by shifting its assets towards a cleaner energy source. May not be electrics/hybrids but at least CNG to begin with. Thereby an infrastructure will be created which the public can be convinced to use later. Why don't we consider moving the STC fleet towards CNG?

Kandeeban

May 16th, 2012, 04:07 PM

Kandeeban.. I think you have missed the whole point. Please re-read what I already wrote. I didnt claim anything about technological success. Again for an individual who is BPL for generations, or socially suppressed, just doing a graduation against all odds and having a decent wage for his family is a real big success. At least in the minds of many simpletons like me.

Just because our grandmas do not have iPads like the ones in US, doesnt define success.

My thoughts were not about technology or comparing with west.. I was talking at a subtler philosophical note. If you didnt get it, you didnt.. You know what I meant.. If you didnt, think bit deeper you will get it..

At a philosophical level or at whatever level, when you define success in terms of the standards set by the west (graduation.. the whole scheme was not invented by us...) you know wat is happening....and you know where am coming frm.... the whole framework of all the systems we follow was written and set by the west...

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 04:22 PM

Actually fiscal situation of TN is pretty decent and our debt/GDP ratio is also quite low..

U said, " crutches for healthy folks are just lame".. Absolutely true. But, why do u compare to some free items given to a poor? Afterall, he is financially 'sick'..

This solution is a bandaid process for a person on heart attack. Wont last for long. How will you strengthen someone by robbing their real core strength.. belief in strength.

And u talk abt entrepreneurship.. Well, isn't the free milch cow scheme trying to do that for desperately poor women?
Read in an article that a poor widow who was struggling got a cow coz of this scheme.. Now, she is using around a litre of milk for herself and selling rest to dairy co-operatives( AAVIN, I guess) for Rs 17/litre and thus earning around 1500-2000 per 10 days or so.. From that money itself, she is able to feed herself and buy good fodder to the cow. Isn't this empowerment? Isn't this good for the society? How can u call this a useless 'freebie'??

Cows or goats - Well if you really analyze its not for all. You come from tough background.. will you want your father's job or something current. Secondly, we are already having a fragile environment.. the respect for conserving nature is already gone from the collective conscience of our culture. Where do you think these thousands of free cows/goats graze.. our already stressed lands.. From ecological stand point, thats the silliest .. from political viewpoint.. very brilliant..

Instead, if the villagers are educated or trained to do some export oriented industry or have some industries set up which will give them such a choice. For example, many women who work in textile industry are not all that educated, but well trained, I bet they make more than milking one cow..

How much money can you make in this hyper inflated economy by milking two cows..

mixie-grinder-laptop - Murlee.. its not about whether there is benefit or not.. if there is no benefit, why will it find political fancy.

I am talking at a philosophical level, you seem to be stuck with material level .. materially there will be comforts, benefits, votes etc.. ultimately, it just takes the inner zeal, the real spirit to move.

I will close with one personal story.. we all know that scholarships have been miracles for many poor students.. In my college, when i studied, which was government, so hardly any fees.. certain societal classes of students not only got big money those days for scholarships.. of course like most students who were bunking and doing weird things, I found it shocking that my scholarship classmates chose to spend all their money in booze and fancy shoes.. I knew his parents were struggling to make ends meet..

You can say its isolated case, till my experience told me its not isolated.. I am not saying 100% scholarship is waste.. I think common sense will make you agree that there was not qualifier for the scholarship except caste.. There was no zeal no real intent of my classmate to even study anything.

Now the same government is at fault due to lack of electricity for these gadgets it gave. Individual assistance on merit basis is always better than blanket schemes.

As long as the individual's efforts are not replaced by hand outs, freebies will be justifiable. But Freebie by nature exchanges your inner dependance to external. Makes you convinced that aid has to come from outside not inside

Murlee, read my message not at material level, you will grasp it in a second.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 04:30 PM

^^ Well, from a philosophical point of view, I can see what u are talking abt.

But, how do u explain philosophy to a person who doesn't know how he will get food for the next day!

Anyways, don't wanna carry on with this. Kannan Sir will be pissed off.

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 04:38 PM

Krishnaswamy... Is ur initial T.S ??
illaiye...ethavadu "ul kuthu"-a ithule?

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 04:47 PM

But, how do u explain philosophy to a person who doesn't know how he will get food for the next day!

Geez murali you are turning into a commie. pasi, pattini, panjam, sogam, azhugai idhe ellam sensationalize senji ezhai pangaalan aaga parkureenga. Are you planning on starting a new party?

Back to topic for the kind of people mentioned you give food for a day and teach him fish and leave him alone or get work from him for the food if you do it on regular basis.

Is that happening? Idhe solluravana ellam a/c room'la ukkandhu type pannadeenganu solla vendiyathu. So easy and convinient to play ezhai pangalan part correct? evan veetu kasongara nenaippu than idhukku karanam. ooran neyyai en pondatti kaiye strategy ;)

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:01 PM

illaiye...ethavadu "ul kuthu"-a ithule?

Oh sorry pa! I read a comment in Hindu written by some T.S Krishnaswamy who sounded just like u...

Free ya vidunga!

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:06 PM

Geez murali you are turning into a commie. pasi, pattini, panjam, sogam, azhugai idhe ellam sensationalize senji ezhai pangaalan aaga parkureenga. Are you planning on starting a new party?

Back to topic for the kind of people mentioned you give food for a day and teach him fish and leave him alone or get work from him for the food if you do it on regular basis.

Is that happening? Idhe solluravana ellam a/c room'la ukkandhu type pannadeenganu solla vendiyathu. So easy and convinient to play ezhai pangalan part correct? evan veetu kasongara nenaippu than idhukku karanam. ooran neyyai en pondatti kaiye strategy ;)

:lol: I was actually wondering why no one had called me a 'commie' yet in SSC. I expected this remark even in that reservation debate we had.

Back to topic again..

How is free milch cow scheme not teaching them how to fish?

How is laptop scheme not teaching them how to fish?

Chumma ezhai pangaali nu dialogue pesama, plz tell me what mistakes u find.. that would be more meaningful. I have already put up my viewpoint on these schemes in the prev. posts.. Plz tell me where my logic is mistaken.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:15 PM

And u make 'commie' sound like a bad word. Wonder why!!

madurakarenda

May 16th, 2012, 05:16 PM

Weekend adhukulla vanthurucha?!?!?!?!?! :?

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 05:18 PM

How is free milch cow scheme not teaching them how to fish?

How is laptop scheme not teaching them how to fish?.

Had the government provided them interest free / long term loan and let them buy cows and goats (or even better let them choose to do what they excel in and provide training/guidance for free) that would be called teaching how to fish.

Instead of giving free laptop, equip and upgrade government schools across the state and make it on par with private schools. Provide all those lappy-nappy facilities on schools instead of individuals. Anyways we have free education on government schools and that will take care of the rest. It takes the same amount of money to do it one-by-one on an incremental basis. This is called teaching how to fish.

You just can't continue giving freebies for ever. Freebies or welfare activities should be at structural level and not at individual level. And again they should be restricted just to education, and healthcare.

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 05:18 PM

Already pointed.. Your logical flaw is that unless government or any external agency provides motivation or sustenance, there is no scope for progress for the masses.

Government can be facilitator, but not the sole provider.. Thats what happens in relying on external for progress.. Success is a choice.. has to come from inside.. you cannot make a mule into a horse.. Government and society can aid this process by creating a favorable environment... nothing more..

If you see the core of freebie logic, it is emotional.. atleast for getting them. The core of success is also emotional.. but they are in opposite directions.. one is outside in, the other is inside out.

Government will be lot better off in creating more employment by attracting better quality industries and spreading them through out the state. Also improve quality education (??!!) and foster the spirit of individual to progress in moral ways..

Take the age old tamil adages.. உன் கையே உனக்குதவி
கைத் தொழில் ஒன்றைக் கற்றுக்கொள், கவலை இல்லை ஒத்துக்கொள்.. They all focus on individual spirit.. the ones that made us progressive.
None of them were focussed on give me hand outs and make the society progress..

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:19 PM

^^ Weekend illa.. Year end ( of Amma aatchi).. Athan lighta gilu gilupu!! ;)

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 05:19 PM

You just can't continue giving freebies for ever. Freebies or welfare activities should be at structural level and not at individual level.

Nicely worded.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:33 PM

Had the government provided them interest free / long term loan and let them buy cows and goats (or even better let them choose to do what they excel in and provide training/guidance for free) that would be called teaching how to fish.

Look at this scheme in this way. All the milk from these cows would be sold to Aavin. This ensures a steady and increased supply of milk to Aavin. And with demand for milk soaring with increasing affluence( see the inflationary figures for milk), this scheme actually tries to ensure milk security and in turn nutritional security ( as thousands of TN people are vegetarians who depend on milk for their protein needs). Thus, the freebie is actually an investment to increase milk supply!

This is just similar to what Modi is doing. He gives land for industries free or at highly subsidized rates so that they would invest in Gujarat. Now, will u call that a 'freebie'? NO. Because it will create jobs etc..

Instead of giving free laptop, equip and upgrade government schools across the state and make it on par with private schools. Provide all those lappy-nappy facilities on schools instead of individuals. Anyways we have free education on government schools and that will take care of the rest. It takes the same amount of money to do it one-by-one on an incremental basis. This is called teaching how to fish.

You just can't continue giving freebies for ever. Freebies or welfare activities should be at structural level and not at individual level.

making govt schools on par is a long term process, KT. And of course, providing such technologies to govt schools is the next logical step. But, why shouldn't individuals be given laptops? Afterall, learning has evolved so much these days. Do u think what a student learns in college alone is enough? There is a huge world outside and a laptop with internet is the gateway to that world.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:37 PM

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:40 PM

And forgot to add that lot of govt colleges already have computers in their campus, definitely technical colleges.

Remember these laptops are given mainly for higher education purposes.

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 05:42 PM

Providing money daily for nothing or no work like how NREGA does is a good example of wasteful scheme or freebie. I hate NREGA. ( KT, isn't this non-commie view???) .

Again if you look at structural point of view NREGA as a concept is better than freebies. It is supposed to be job/food-for-work scheme. A win-win situation for both the tax payers and the job benefitiaries. Citizens get better infra structure and poor and people in rural areas get job. But does it really work that way? Unfortunately no and that's a different issue.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:48 PM

Again if you look at structural point of view NREGA as a concept is better than freebies. It is supposed to be job/food-for-work scheme. A win-win situation for both the tax payers and the job benefitiaries. Citizens get better infra structure and poor and people in rural areas get job. But does it really work that way? Unfortunately no and that's a different issue.

NREGA initially as a scheme was not great. It really didn't create solid infrastructure. Just some mud roads n land development which got washed away in rains. NREGA-2 is trying to improve this.

In its initial avatar launched over six years ago, the NREGA was limited only to works concerning water and soil conservation, afforestation and land development. It was largely seen as a subsistence dole for the rural people in the lean farm season. Now, however, it will create productive assets and generate incomes for the poor.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/HTEditImages/Images/23feb_pg8a.jpg

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/NREGA-2-aimed-at-bolstering-UPA-2/Article1-815496.aspx

Anniyan

May 16th, 2012, 05:52 PM

Take the age old tamil adages.. உன் கையே உனக்குதவி
கைத் தொழில் ஒன்றைக் கற்றுக்கொள், கவலை இல்லை ஒத்துக்கொள்.. They all focus on individual spirit.. the ones that made us progressive.
None of them were focussed on give me hand outs and make the society progress..

அது தன் கையே தனக்கு உதவி. That saying was said for adolescent humans and those who dont have a girl/boy friend. பட் இப்ப எல்லாம் நெறைய toys வந்துடுச்சு

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 05:52 PM

NREGA initially as a scheme was not great. It really didn't create solid infrastructure. Just some mud roads n land development which got washed away in rains. NREGA-2 is trying to improve this.

Did I say anything different? :) I said the same thing, as a concept that is the way to go compared to freebies because this is not free, work is supposed to get done.

The problem is with execution and lack-of-planning in using the labor. The problem is NOT with the concept of NREGA . When it comes to freebies the vision /concept itself is flawed.

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 05:53 PM

அது தன் கையே தனக்கு உதவி. That saying was said for adolescent humans and those who dont have a girl/boy friend.

good grief.. :D

ippo thaan theriyudu why are are "Anniyan"

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 05:58 PM

Did I say anything different? :) I said the same thing, as a concept that is the way to go compared to freebies because this is not free, work is supposed to get done.

The problem is with execution and lack-of-planning in using the labor. The problem is NOT with the concept of NREGA . When it comes to freebies the vision /concept itself is flawed.

Lol I dunno how u just conveniently overlooked my point that free cow scheme is not a freebie but an investment and go on calling it a freebie.

And NREGA as a concept was flawed in the sense that it didn't try to create productive assets. That is why u have this version 2.0 where productive assets would be created. Plz Read the link I gave KT.

If NREGA as a concept was perfect, why version 2.0?

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 06:12 PM

Lol I dunno how u just conveniently overlooked my point that free cow scheme is not a freebie but an investment and go on calling it a freebie.

And NREGA as a concept was flawed in the sense that it didn't try to create productive assets. That is why u have this version 2.0 where productive assets would be created. Plz Read the link I gave KT.

If NREGA as a concept was perfect, why version 2.0?

You are confusing concept/vision with tactics and execution. The change that is happening in chitti 2.0 is NOT the concept.

Anyways you keep supporting "nogama nongu thingura" freebies. Cows also have fundemendal flaw because it doesn't benefit the tax payer (no structural benefit) and is at individual level. Instead if it had been low-interest/longterm or even interest free loan it would have been better..
Welfare schemes are NOT supposed to be OC's or freebies. I'll stop here.

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 06:13 PM

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 06:15 PM

Happy for ur success and I added the word 'probably' in the first line and also added in P.S. that by 'u' I am talking abt the cynical middle class in general.

Thanks for that. I got your point of view, but just want to let you know that using the existing welfare schemes, we can climb up.

Again.. it is ur premise that they are freebies and not a tool for empowerment that is causing this disagreement btwn us.
Lemme try to break down each n every point.

Free TV: TVs are an important tool in information dissemination in today's time. Even the census calculates the TV penetration in each and every state in this country( I can give u the reference if u don't believe me). Why do u think a Govt census would calculate TV penetration if it has no significance? But, I agree with u on 1 count: It was given to everyone and not the poor alone by DMK govt which I don't agree with. That was wrong and waste of money.

Free mixer/grinder: Important to note that this Jaya govt is doing this only for the poor and especially women.
These are important tools of women empowerment IMO. We have already discussed this in SSC but I would again give this link to ur benefit. Machines like mixie, grinder, washing machine etc are tools for women empowerment. I am not saying this. This was concluded by Vatican newspaper. Washing machine liberated women most? (http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/03/09/us-washingmachine-idINTRE5285G820090309)

To understand why, plz see this video http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_and_the_magic_washing_machine.html

Free laptop: Again.. investment for the future. Laptops aren't given to some kuppan or suppan but to 12th and higher education students. And these are for Govt schools and colleges which would mean most of the benefit would go to students from poor families. Internet has become a huge learning medium today and a reason why urban students are able to excel more is due to the access to internet. I am sure u would have seen videos of Khan Academy in youtube. Excellent info given freely to everyone( Another 'freebie' ;) ) And today, especially with initiatives by world class universities like Harvard, MIT etc (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/article3419028.ece) to give free courses over the internet, it is imperative to have a laptop and internet for todays students.

For every freebee we can attach a desirable reason. Tomorrow we can bring a scheme like , Free bikes for those who doesn't have transport facility. The point is TV/Grinder/Laptop more important than basic sanitation. Many times I have faced this delegate question from many foreigners, that too particulary after the greate "Award winning movie - Slumdog Millionaire". We don't consider this as a big deal but in reality we can live without all these freebees but sanitation is the needed one. If you visit some forums, Indian are ridiculed for lack of sanitation knowledge. When I travel, when women run after seeing men coming while open defecating I feel really ashamed, non of our technology advancements comes in to mind.

I know Khan academy and I am using it extensively but even, Khan wont agree that a laptop is more important than basic sanitation. If we need women empowerment, instead of giving just freebees, why cant the government give free higher education with a job guarantee. The government can put a grand scheme with the Industries to to train and hire these women.When a free TV/mixer/grinder/laptop are implemented so fast, why can't this? When she get a job, she will be easily able to buy grinder/mixer/tv/laptop based on her need. And she will be really proud of that. This is called real empowerment of poor. What ever we are doing is making them slaves of freebees.

Sanitation : Yes, I know abt the dismal state of sanitation in TN. Refer page 15 of this thread where we had already discussed this issue Tamilnadu Statistical Info | தமிழக புள்ளிவிவரம்
(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1419252&page=15)

And u talk as if Govt is not taking any initiative. CM hikes aid for building rural toilets by 150% (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cm-hikes-aid-for-building-rural-toilets-by-150/252525-60-118.html).. It is not either or scenario. Funds are allocated for different needs.

The problem is we are trying to do this for the past 60 years without success. The government which is able to implement all these schemes successfully, why its taking so long to implement 100% sanitation facility? Because they are not serious enough and we don't bother about that. We did a small field study to see the success rate of free toilets in Tamilnadu. When we visited villages in few homes toilets were there but no body is using it. It was used as a storage place. When we asked the reason , they opened it and asked us to get inside. Believe me, its so small. If you sit, you can't stand. You are struck there. They said, this is the specification that the government has given. Some who managed to put additional bucks and make it bigger were also not using. The reason is they are not educated enough. In many places, funds were given but no toilets, when we checked the reason of missing toilets, it was the usual our Indian style method. An understanding has been worked out between the beneficiary and the obbicer.

:lol: U expect a BPL family ( living under Rs 32/day) to pay taxes? Sorry..

I never said that they should pay tax. I just gave the reason why they are not bothered.

:? :? I think u misunderstood. How will a family having bike, phone etc be coing under BPL category? Plz go and read the schemes by today's govt and see who they are giving these freebies too..

This happened in the puddukottai dt (the most backward dt, as called by one of our forum member). Near Thanjuvur border we have a farm and we have some 4 families permanently' employed there. Each one gets paid on an average of 8k/month, apart from food and shelter for their family. One of the guy has 3 kids of which the first one passed out X std with 410/500. Myself and my wife have a small academy, where we identify young bright poor kids and sponsor them Higher education (mostly BE). We make sure that the family is really poor and are really dedicated. Upon seeing the marks we talked to that guy and said, He will have a great future in six years down the line and we will take him the Academy. He said he will talk to his wife. After two days he was in the farm and I asked him, what happened. He said "Oh that one", I have put him in Tirupur Mill for a salary of 8k/month for electrician job, and after 6 months it will be 12k.

I was really shocked but didn't express that. I asked him why, he said, Poonga ayya, Governemnt than ellam freeyea tharuthae, appuram padichu enna, padikatti enna. Eppa neenga padichi mudichi, ehtuavuthu freeyea vanga mudiyutha? All his three sons went like that. This is the common mentality in 90% of the people, that I have seen. so the father apart from the 8k, earns the NREGS wages, (he gets paid 80:20 ratio) for not doing anything. His wife works in another farm and also gets paid NREGS wages. Their combined income is around 20K - 23K/month excluding their sons salary. He gets all the benefits from the government and he has 3 two Wheeler's in his house. The funny part is when the last time when my cousin visited the farm the younger son, gave 10K to her and asked her to get a good mobile from Chennai as all the latest model 'swill be there. She uses a 4k phone. There are many families in Thanjuvur/PUddokottai/Trichy/Nellai/Kovai dts. They all are BPL family for government and they enjoy all the benefits. I am really proud that the maid family is doing well, but I am putting this as an example nothing to undermine his/family hard work.

Seriously, don't get emotional and speak without facts. Plz have a look at the cost of electricity production and how much we were paying earlier. Those free supply are extremely negligible in the overall scheme of things. And TN has one of the lowest T&D losses in the country. I remember posting a chart comparing various states.. U can search in SSC Tn threads.

I cant find that, please point me to the link. Will take a look.

Nothing to get emotional here except if they take free current my farm will loose that, but I am ready to give that if its good for the state. Nowadays my dad is thinking of getting rid of Agri, as labor costs have skyrocketed. Its very difficult to get laborers. They come at 7 leave at 2. Breakfast/tea/bus fare has to be provided apart from salary. Again this is the scnerio in the backward dt in TN. After investing for seed, water, man power, urea when we sell it the middle man takes it for a mere pathetic price. But in shop the price is literally 3/4 times.

I should give you an example. Peanuts, when we buy to bring seedlings, we pay Rs 2750 - 3000 for a 32Kg bag. We get the same quality of peanuts in 3 months. While selling the same guy will pay for a 40Kg bag Rs 1700 -1800. That's it. If you are interested just check the price of a kg of peanut in the local store. So where does the money goes, to the middleman. This is how a typical welfare state works. I think you will know the result of being a pure welfare state by seeing many European countries which are now bankrupt. Our economy growth rate is going down because we want to follow the welfare state model. The problem we want to be a welfare state , It should be a mix of welfare and capitalistic state.

You can see the result trying to be a welfare state.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/will-indonesia-replace-india-in-the-brics/258336-7.html

Only jobs and Industrial development will show the path for true empowerment,when combined with true, needed, welfare schemes it will be a success. If we go down this path, our growth rate will tumble and we will be pushed back while other countries march forward. Even though we call the US has capitalist state it has many welfare programs like food bank, shelter for homeless, Foster care, local Income rentals etc. I can put a list here, if you need.

So what if we copied from British? ( Well, actually it was mostly a copy of 1935 Govt of India Act). The point is, welfare state is the goal. Even super rich Scandinavian countries follow that.. Go have a look.

Thank you.. Same here..

Welfare states cant be welfare states for long. As we have seen in Greece, Iceland and most of the Europe, where they are cutting public spending on welfare. Have you ever imagined that one day Haj subsdies will be frozen. The day as come. So as the time changes, we have to keep changing our model. Even Sweden have started reducing welfare schemes. There should be a rationale between welfare and capitalist. We are still living in the soviet/Nehru era even though soviet union/Nehru is no more.

Last but not the least, I don't usually like to argue too much, but some how you made me do a healthy argument. Thanks for that.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 06:21 PM

Calling free cow as investment and not freebie.. even JJ doesnt call it that way.. Are you sure you dont have any political plans.. you may have to tussle with our SSC CM for that spot.

What if those folks didnt want to graze cows, but instead do something else.. What if they sell the cows to make quick bucks.. Are the cows sufficient to supplement the income ?

Mr.Lee all great schemes like this have a benevolent design. Revisit the impact of this cow scheme in next 10 years..

Not to forget the ecological impact of so many cows.. and remember the last I checked, we still legally ban killing cows..

Next some smartipants will come with idea, instead of giving freebies.. anyways they are going to eat, so lets give these folks free food and clothing on periodic basis.. another will come and say, I am used to biriyani.. so government should distribute biriyani.. can anyone dispute the value in biriyani for hungry stomach..

You never responded to the inner strength Mr Lee.. why so much focus on external props..

I will conclude here

I didn't expect u to make such frivolous comments.. Seriously, u just trivialized the point.

Actually a bit surprised why u didn't understand why I called the free cow scheme an investment. I made it very clear in that post.

And aren't they already giving free food( free rice sir) and clothes( ilavasa vetti selai thittams)?? Something to ponder abt!!

Anyways, I am stopping here too!! I see no point continuing..

Thanks Geico for ur viewpoints.. Had a healthy debate with u with no personal attacks. Thank you!

And any comments for on this topic, lets do that in PMs . Lets not take public space.

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 06:22 PM

^^ Thanks for bringing in Greece example ;)

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 06:25 PM

Weekend adhukulla vanthurucha?!?!?!?!?! :?
viduppa, nalla thane poittu irukku....
"reservation" pathiya pesikittu irukkanga.."ilavasam" pathi thane pesikittu irukkanga...

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 06:29 PM

Geico.. Proud of your personal achievements. As you know from your own experience, its the inner exertion of the goldmine of talents that has moved the needle in your personal path. May you scale more peaks in life. Hope you take this spirit to every aspect of life and achieve more greatness.

I am really proud of your dad. Despite his limitations, he became a strong ladder for your family. This is the reason why mankind has risen to greater success.

Geico, with success comes responsibility.. you can make a much larger impact than you dream of. Realize your inner potential.. Thanks for sharing your success story.. :applause:

Thanks satchitananda. Yes you are right, with success comes responsibility and I have already taken some of them :)

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 06:32 PM

excellent post there geico :applause:

Thanks kongutamizhan.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 06:33 PM

Why are u comparing TN to Greece?? :nuts:

TN ah romba asinga padutharinga.. Our fiscal deficit and debt/GDP ratio is well within means.

Thank God, our politicos aren't stupid like the Greeks.

Anyways, again elections in Greece.. Pavum. Dunno what will happen to Euro.

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 06:34 PM

Excellent write up, Geico. Your piece must have been in the paper instead of JJ's achievements

Thanks venkatm.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 06:35 PM

Actually all states except Punjab, Kerala and WB are doing well in terms of fiscal responsibility and debt/GDP ratios.

Sadly, this UPA-2 is royally screwing the Indian economy!!

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 06:39 PM

Very rational... Geico. It will be good if everybody has a rational thinking like this.

Thanks doccbe

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=murlee;91447419]Why are u comparing TN to Greece?? :nuts:

TN ah romba asinga padutharinga.. Our fiscal deficit and debt/GDP ratio is well within means.
[QUOTE]

Compared to who ??

madurakarenda

May 16th, 2012, 06:40 PM

viduppa, nalla thane poittu irukku....
"reservation" pathiya pesikittu irukkanga.."ilavasam" pathi thane pesikittu irukkanga...

Kris, according to Chaos theory, the movement of a butterfly's wings in a corner of the world has connection with tremors in another spot in Earth.

So, I thought that "Ilavasam" discussion will at some point or the other touch Reservation also :lol:

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 06:42 PM

[QUOTE=murlee;91447419]Why are u comparing TN to Greece?? :nuts:

TN ah romba asinga padutharinga.. Our fiscal deficit and debt/GDP ratio is well within means.
[QUOTE]

Compared to who ??

Compared to many states.. and within the limits prescribed by the FRBM act.

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 06:47 PM

And geico,

Can u plz tell me why u don't call free lunch, ration supplies, scholarships, bus passes etc that u used as 'freebies' while u call the latest stuff as 'freebies' ?
(Don't include free TV by DMK govt.. As I said, I am not in favour of that scheme by Thatha)

Didn't see this post.Makkal romba fasta irukanaga. These are all really nice schemes not the boggy ones. I have said, that I have used only scholarships . scholarships are the base for empowering young student, which is very popular even in the so called capitalistic country US. The funny thing is I was so crazy of bicycle at that time, so went to a cycle shop to work in the summer holidays and earned a second hand bicycle instead of money as salary. I still have that. BSA.

Again Thanks. :)

karkal

May 16th, 2012, 06:52 PM

Murlee...one man army

Excellent points.:applause:

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 06:57 PM

Lol.. Thanks karkal.. :D

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:01 PM

Look at this scheme in this way. All the milk from these cows would be sold to Aavin. This ensures a steady and increased supply of milk to Aavin. And with demand for milk soaring with increasing affluence( see the inflationary figures for milk), this scheme actually tries to ensure milk security and in turn nutritional security ( as thousands of TN people are vegetarians who depend on milk for their protein needs). Thus, the freebie is actually an investment to increase milk supply!

This is just similar to what Modi is doing. He gives land for industries free or at highly subsidized rates so that they would invest in Gujarat. Now, will u call that a 'freebie'? NO. Because it will create jobs etc..

making govt schools on par is a long term process, KT. And of course, providing such technologies to govt schools is the next logical step. But, why shouldn't individuals be given laptops? Afterall, learning has evolved so much these days. Do u think what a student learns in college alone is enough? There is a huge world outside and a laptop with internet is the gateway to that world.
Well Murlee,
I am sure some of us are from Govt schools only.the standard of Govt Schools until 90s were very good.
I am sure, if you go to rest of TN, you will find lot of good Govt school or Govt Aided schools(where the fees are very less for tamil medium and for english medium, the fees is slightly higher, but much lower than metriculation or CBSE school)...
instead of giving the laptop to the students, facilitate more Computer labs in the school, give them the fans, tubelight, benches, improve sanitation, improve the school library. i am sure, most of the libraries in Govt schools are locked only. Open the school libraries on Weekends and till late evening.
This would have helped the students a lot..
IMO, laptop without internet is not useful. for internet minimum they need to pay 500rs. it is almost a scheme simillar to "Thatha"'s TV freebie only. thatha gave free TV and Cable cost of min 150 rs went to his party member only ..right?.
Also since the volume of laptops are huge, their service center cost and no of technician cost also high.(TN govt is going to setup the service center)

IMO without improving the basic infra in Govt schools, Govt college, laptop scheme is useless.
In fact to be precise, things that should have been completed in 100 Rs, JJ has spent now 1000 rs and that too with partial result.

1 big disadvantage of free grinder, free mixie, free fan: it will increase the subsidy on electricity cost. hope you know as per TN govt principle, for hut house, electricity is free(they never look into the 1 bulb account).. so those houses now getting these electricity equipments in turn increases electricity consumption and electricity cost.
To improve the welfare of women, probably instead of small grinders, big grinders could have been given to women welfare group where they can prepare and sell the batter at low cost. this will ensure that more women getting financially better.

As KT pointed out, instead of giving free cows to the individuals, they would have given the free loans to the people to procure cows, improve the stroage infra for Aavin center, easy transport of milk from the village to the nearest Aavin center..
to be specific,
1.they would have created smaller "Aavin" center on Taluk level or in smaller towns. they should be told to procure milk from these farmers and distribute locally(back to the 80s, where we will get fresh milk through some person)
2. they can set up smaller gho-salas for each village with adequate grass lands (say 10 or 15 cows with some grassing lands) and they can use the MGNREGA scheme or some other scheme to pay those farmers who takes care of the cows....and distribution of milk to the center.

I know lot of people in the villages never works nowdays.(in my village also, after i enquired my cousin about the standard of living of the people who are listed in MGNREGA scheme.)
1. easy free money through MGNREGA scheme. the system has name of the people and how much money he got. but there is no measure on whether the work is done or not.
2. now those same people get free cows.
3. they get free ration food.
4. they get free mixie, grinder,fan.. they put some small pieces of "keethu" in top of their house to claim free Electricity whereas they hold everything.

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 07:04 PM

I would love to continue with this discussion but we already agreed to stop with this and move on! So, no comments Krishnaswamy. U should have joined earlier :D

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:06 PM

Excellent discussion guys...
Geico, :Kudos to your Excellent write up..
KT: good points on how to teach the people to do fishing rather than giving Fishing...

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 07:07 PM

Yamaha factory varapoguthu durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 07:09 PM

Yamaha factory varapoguthu durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Enna vinod.. Suddenly, lot of positive articles on TN in media and negative articles on Guj.( see, Guj discussions thread).

Guj elections 2012 effect??

And looks like Jaya is following Modi step by step.

doccbe

May 16th, 2012, 07:11 PM

:applause: to KT, Krish, Satch

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:12 PM

I would love to continue with this discussion but we already agreed to stop with this and move on! So, no comments Krishnaswamy. U should have joined earlier :D
I know...
i know you will not accept the above points,because you have argued and opposed on some excellent points from Geico, KT, Satchithananda...:D

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 07:13 PM

Read this really interesting article in Hindu today.. If true, could really help in reducing our power crisis.

Advance Indian Standard Time by half an hour
(http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3422881.ece)

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:21 PM

IMO...JJ herself now created the trouble for her..
i am sure, this huge spending of ads that too just for 1 yr of completion would have irritated lot of people(includes neutral people also)..
today morning, i discussed with lot of my friends, relatives in india. they told simply 1 point. nothing big difference in the last 1 yr rule except the cost of necessary things went up. everybody told, they nevery mind, if they get the quality for the cost. unfortunately, this is where JJ got big "bulb".. without showing any quality, she has increased the fare.
surprisingly, even my Village uncle talks that "because of wind" less power cut and not ready to believe manguni ministers's words that amma created some magic.

I see people are seeing the facts and simply laughing at the ads and minister, MLA words.
Last issue in JV talks about MLA achievements in 1year by assembly constituency wise and most of the big minister(OPS too) got failed.

hm..
2004-: JJ- narpathum namakke..(40/40) and got 0/40. Got big bulb..
2009: JJ: ADMK thunai illamal madhiya arasu amaiyathu....Tasted "Soup".
2014:JJ: i will be the PM....Deposit-kedaikkuma?

Hello Madam, People are silently smiling on your actions..

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 07:23 PM

Enna vinod.. Suddenly, lot of positive articles on TN in media and negative articles on Guj.( see, Guj discussions thread).

Guj elections 2012 effect??

And looks like Jaya is following Modi step by step.
Namma oorla nallathu nadakanumuna adutha oorla election varanuma? enna koduma saar ithu?? Vitta anchu companyum congress binami and Yuvraj bought stakes in Puegot to stop investment in GJ nu solluvanga poliruke

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 07:25 PM

IMO...JJ herself now created the trouble for her..

Change in govt every election is the best thing happening in TN since 91. Let it happen, good for all

karkal

May 16th, 2012, 07:27 PM

^^^^+100 on both vinod posts above

murlee

May 16th, 2012, 07:33 PM

Namma oorla nallathu nadakanumuna adutha oorla election varanuma? enna koduma saar ithu?? Vitta anchu companyum congress binami and Yuvraj bought stakes in Puegot to stop investment in GJ nu solluvanga poliruke

Cha.. Appadi sollala..

I referred to the elections for the negative articles on Guj alone!

Afterall, Congress controls almost every media..

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:34 PM

I have 1 question to those who supports "giving" Fish instead of teaching Fishing to the poor people by arguing this line
"with all these subsidies, free-ware schemes, till TN economy and debt ratio is in good level..".

instead of these schemes, if the money is spent on good way, imagine how good the TN Economy will be?

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 07:37 PM

I referred to the elections for the negative articles on Guj alone!

Afterall, Congress controls almost every media..
+100..remember UP, Punjab, Uttarakhand election in 2012?Everybody shouted from the roof top that Congress will do well...
these media publish those paid articles only..Lets wait for the "true" picture..
namma dinamalar vera...without knowing who is Kesubhai patel and what he commented in 2002, 2007, they are publishing his comments now also..:lol:

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 08:03 PM

Kris, according to Chaos theory, the movement of a butterfly's wings in a corner of the world has connection with tremors in another spot in Earth.

So, I thought that "Ilavasam" discussion will at some point or the other touch Reservation also :lol:

Enakku oru unmai therinjaakanum. neenga reservation'a touch panna koodathunu solla vareengala illa touch pannama irundha nalla irukkumnu solreengala?

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 08:09 PM

Enakku oru unmai therinjaakanum. neenga reservation'a touch panna koodathunu solla vareengala illa touch pannama irundha nalla irukkumnu solreengala?
touch "pannama" irukkura varaikkum nallathu..:lol:

natarajan1986

May 16th, 2012, 08:18 PM

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 08:20 PM

Change in govt every election is the best thing happening in TN since 91. Let it happen, good for all
DMK was not in power until MGR was there 1987 December. After MGR, 1 yr was president rule.
1.DMK could capture power only due to spat in ADMK between JJ and Janaki..89.
2. In 96, because of the attrocity of JJ, they won
3. In 2006, still people did not voted out ADMK , but it was vote share of alliance parties and Vijayakanth Dented ADMK
4. In 2011, DMK was thrashed by the people with anger.(simillar to 96 against ADMK govt or 2001 against DMK govt)..
5. Lets see in 2016, people show the same anger against ADMK..:) IMO, it will not be..

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 08:24 PM

Thats true cost for setc from chennai to coimbatore is 380 rs with worst seat and not proper push back and bugs whereas i get semi sleeper with good suspension for 450 rupees which has lots of facilities like pick up from various points to one point

idhe point'e anti-ADMK stand'lendhu pesama as a concerned citizen, government (in)efficiency point of view'lendhu naanga yaravathu pesirundha accept pannirupeengala? (irrespective of who is in power). illa appo tamizhagam olirgirathunnu sollirupeengala?

I am not saying that you will not accept if argument is not from party POV. accept panna nalla irukkumnu than solluren. (che butterfly effect thothikichu)

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 08:35 PM

yaro namma makkaloda thirama theriyama butterfly effect kandu pidichittanga.. ippo enga pathalum kambali poochi oorrara madhiri irukku :D

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 08:59 PM

DMK was not in power until MGR was there 1987 December. After MGR, 1 yr was president rule.

Somehow the change happened and that is what matters. Second consecutive term for either DMK or ADMK is much worse than Rajapakshe becoming TN CM.

karkal

May 16th, 2012, 09:07 PM

Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project receives letters threatening bomb blasts (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/kudankulam-nuclear-power-project-receives-letters-threatening-bomb-blasts/articleshow/13173986.cms)

TIRUNELVELI: The Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project today received three letters threatening that bombs would explode inside the plant on May 21, police said.

The letters written purportedly by 'Makkal Podhunala Kuzhu' ( Public Welfare Committee of the People) warned that bombs would explode inside the plant complex on May 21.

The KNPP authorities handed over the letters to the police.

Meanwhile, leaders of People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy, spearheading the stir against the project, said it has no role in the threat letters.

S P Udayakumar, Convener of PMANE, said they have been leading a peaceful, democratic and non-violent struggle for the past nine months without even a single incident of violence.

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 09:12 PM

yaro namma makkaloda thirama theriyama butterfly effect kandu pidichittanga.. ippo enga pathalum kambali poochi oorrara madhiri irukku :D
:rofl:

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 09:14 PM

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 09:17 PM

Enna vinod.. Suddenly, lot of positive articles on TN in media
saththama sollatheengappa.. appuram pakkathu vootukarananga kattaiya koduthura poranga.....
June 12 mettur dam thirapangala?

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 09:19 PM

SETC was good until 96.
TTC!!

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 09:21 PM

தி.மு.க., ஆட்சியில் மின் வாரியத்துக்கு ரூ.10,294 கோடி இழப்பு: தணிக்கை துறை தலைவரின் அறிக்கையில் பகீர் (http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=468539)
hm..ithu thana unga "takku"?

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 09:35 PM

see, Guj discussions thread

Just saw posts in Indian Auto thread and GJ discussion thread. For Peugeot they cite global recession and a we cited seating arrangement in CM's office. Its not MK or JJ needs to learn from NaMo but we should learn from forumers there.

karkal

May 16th, 2012, 09:36 PM

^^+100

karkal

May 16th, 2012, 09:37 PM

A large extent of Kancheepuram district and parts of Chennai along the 1,000 km-long Tamil Nadu coastline have been classified as “very high risk” areas in relation to future sea-level rise.

At least 6.38 per cent of the Tamil Nadu coastline has been bracketed as “very high risk,” seven per cent as “high risk” and the rest at medium and low risk.

SRC : http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/article3425866.ece

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 09:41 PM

Just saw posts in Indian Auto thread and GJ discussion thread. For Peugeot they cite global recession .

Adhulayum oru error. It should be Europe recession. :)

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 09:45 PM

Adhulayum oru error. It should be Europe recession. :)
Thanks! athu mattum thane erroru?

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 09:52 PM

http://xl.skyscrapercity.com/?page=banner&bannerday=20120517#discuss

Tawang Banner is up!! Please vote!!

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 10:03 PM

Thanks! athu mattum thane erroru?

மோடி ஜாதகம், peugeot CEO ஜாதகம், அவங்க மீட் பண்ண நேரம் /தேதி, இடம் / வாஸ்து / போட்டோ எல்லாமும் குடுத்தா வேற எதுனாச்சும் problem இருக்கான்னு ஜோசியர் கிட்ட பார்த்து சொல்லுறேன்

Vicvin86

May 16th, 2012, 10:08 PM

மோடி ஜாதகம், peugeot CEO ஜாதகம், அவங்க மீட் பண்ண நேரம் /தேதி, இடம் / வாஸ்து / போட்டோ எல்லாமும் குடுத்தா வேற எதுனாச்சும் problem இருக்கான்னு ஜோசியர் கிட்ட பார்த்து சொல்லுறேன்
pagutharivu may lord :lol:

satchitananda

May 16th, 2012, 10:09 PM

மோடி ஜாதகம், peugeot CEO ஜாதகம், அவங்க மீட் பண்ண நேரம் /தேதி, இடம் / வாஸ்து / போட்டோ எல்லாமும் குடுத்தா வேற எதுனாச்சும் problem இருக்கான்னு ஜோசியர் கிட்ட பார்த்து சொல்லுறேன்

:rofl:

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 10:15 PM

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/jaya-modi-and-the-pms-job-after-the-next-elections-310820.html/2
"One can’t rule out a mid-term poll, since Muyalam Singh, Jayalalithaa, and Mamata Banerjee are in favour of one. It only requires one mishap – a diesel price deregulation crisis, or something else – to precipitate a mid-term election."

"t is impossible to predict the actual shape of politics over the next two years, since a lot would depend on how politics plays out against the backdrop of a deteriorating economy.

The Jaya-Modi axis is thus a critical element this year and the next."

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 10:26 PM

hm..just read the news on GJ discussion thread...
lets see how many dirty tricks that Italy ammaiyar will play in the next 6 months...

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 10:28 PM

Meyalumma

NEW DELHI: Pakistan is a part of India and P V Narasimha Rao is the Prime Minister of the country, this is being taught to school students in some states, according to a member of Parliament.

AIADMK member S Semmalai highlighted this in Lok Sabha today while referring to the controversy over Ambedkar cartoon in CBSE textbooks during a discussion on Central Educational Institutions (Reservation in Admission) Amendment Bill, 2011.

"In the CBSE textbooks of Karnataka, it is mentioned even now that Pakistan is a part of India. It went on to state that American constitution is based on capitalism. Class-III students of Urdu medium in Andhra Pradesh are taught that P V Narasimha Rao is the Prime Minister of the country," Semmalai said, evoking laughter all around the House.

Finding further faults with the textbooks, he said, "In the CBSE textbooks, a forest is defined as a group of trees and heavy industry is defined as one where heavy type of raw materials are used."

The member said that only 15 per cent of graduates are suitable for employment and it is a sorry state of affairs. It reflects the poor quality of education at all levels, from primary to higher levels.

He lamented, "If this is the quality and stuff that we provide to our students, one can imagine what will be the standard of our students.

"Unless we make concerted efforts to allocate six per cent of the GDP to education, our goal will remain unreachable," he added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/School-textbooks-Pakistan-is-part-of-India-P-V-Narasimha-Rao-is-countrys-PM/articleshow/13170970.cms

geico2000

May 16th, 2012, 10:33 PM

Ethuthan, timingnu sollurangoalo

NEW DELHI: The Delhi High Court Wednesday issued a notice to the central government on a petition that alleged political parties in power misused public funds by giving advertisements on the birth and death anniversaries of their leaders.

The division bench of Acting Chief Justice A.K. Sikri and Justice R.S. Endlaw sought a reply from the director general, Directorate of Advertising and Visual Publicity, of the central government by July 18.

The court's order came on a petition by Umesh Sethi who claimed that he came to know through a right to information application that Rs.30 crore were spent by various ministries between 2009-11 on such advertisements.

"Public money is being spent on eulogising leaders with definite linkage to political party in power, on their birth and death anniversaries, and it has adverse impact in many ways," said Sethi.

"Such spending is also violating certain aspects of the Prevention of Corruption Act and needs to be investigated," the petitioner said, and sought teh court's directions to the Comptroller and Auditor General of India to audit the ministries' accounts.

The petition objected to public schemes being named after leaders of political parties, brand building via public monuments, institutions and programmes by political parties.

"Such brand building is rampant and skews the level playing field during elections, which is very dangerous for a democracy," said the petitioner.

karkal

May 16th, 2012, 10:37 PM

The better way is to run their own channels. Is there a way court can block that ?

R2IChennai

May 16th, 2012, 11:13 PM

Had the government provided them interest free / long term loan and let them buy cows and goats (or even better let them choose to do what they excel in and provide training/guidance for free) that would be called teaching how to fish.

Instead of giving free laptop, equip and upgrade government schools across the state and make it on par with private schools. Provide all those lappy-nappy facilities on schools instead of individuals. Anyways we have free education on government schools and that will take care of the rest. It takes the same amount of money to do it one-by-one on an incremental basis. This is called teaching how to fish.

You just can't continue giving freebies for ever. Freebies or welfare activities should be at structural level and not at individual level. And again they should be restricted just to education, and healthcare.

I am not completely against freebie, I agree free TV should be just for BPL folks. TV is essential these days and easy to empower women to get news to thier living room, Even watching serials as bad as you may think has some benefit out of it I heard it from family how illeterate uneducated women felt good about moving forward in life and taking inspiration out of devyani (don't laugh while reading it is true)

+1 on laptop part, I totally agree with KT on this, giving laptop individual is the worst move both fiscally, Instead equiping all the govt schools with wifi and provide 24hr computer labs will work, May be when the cost of the 10 inch tablet comes to 100$ or so they can think about giving that with educational materials.

But not sure handing out interest free cash is going to empower women, They will probably spend that money on kalyanam/kathu kuthu not all of them make good decisions with their own money leave alone govt money. Giving free cows/goat is better than that.

Mixie
Looking at my home appliances in kitchen
Mixie/Grinder/Microwave/Coffee maker/Toaster Oven/Electric rice cooker/Electric water heater/Fridge/Washing machine/Oven/Hand mixer/bottle warmer if you have babies/ every thing is useful but I am not sure giving any particular thing has higher return of investment than spending on sanitation/health or education directly.

List of freebies I like
Give them free Vitamin/Iron tablets/Free sanitary napkins/Open up free vocational training for women SHG/Open Bank accounts for every adult

krishnaswamy

May 16th, 2012, 11:19 PM

I am not completely against freebie, I agree free TV should be just for BPL folks. TV is essential these days and easy to empower women to get news to thier living room, Even watching serials as bad as you may think has some benefit out of it I heard it from family how illeterate uneducated women felt good about moving forward in life and taking inspiration out of devyani (don't laugh while reading it is true)
hm.. what about the cable cost? it went to SCV right?
why they need to give TV to everybody? lot of houses now got this govt TV as 2nd TV..

kongutamizhan

May 16th, 2012, 11:27 PM

http://www.vikatan.com/article.php?aid=19512&sid=532&mid=2#cmt241

''பா.ஜ.க. வயதுக்கு வந்துவிட்டது!''

மழை கெ(£)டுத்த வாய்ப்பை சரியாகப் பயன்படுத்தி, வெற்றி அடைந்திருக்கிறது தமிழக பாரதிய ஜனதாக் கட்சி. 'தமிழ்நாட்டில் பி.ஜே.பி. எங்கே இருக்கிறது?’ என்று கேட்பவர்களை மிரட்டும் வண்ணம், மதுரையில் 'தாமரை சங்கமம்’ என்ற பிரமாண்ட மாநாட்டை நடத்திக் காட்டி விட்டார்கள்.

மே 10-ம் தேதி காலை 10 மணிக்குத் தொடங்க வேண்டிய மாநாடு 12 மணிக்குத்தான் தொடங்கியது. இசை நிகழ்ச்சி, ஆடல் பாடல் மூலம் தொண்டர்களைக் குஷிப்படுத்தினார்கள். பி.ஜே.பி-யின் தோற்றம், வளர்ச்சியை விளக்கும் கண்காட்சியும், பி.ஜே.பி. ஆளும் ஏழு மாநிலங்களின் வளர்ச்சி குறித்த கண்காட்சியும் தமிழ்த் தொண்டர்களுக்குப் புதுசு.

நாட்டுக்குள் அன்னிய முதலீடுகளை வரவேற்றாலும், மாநாட்டுக்குள் அன்னியத் தயாரிப்புகளுக்குத் தடை. தண்ணீர் முதல் குளிர் பானங்கள் வரை அத்தனையும் சுதேசிப் பொருட்கள்தான். மருத்துவ முகாம், குழந்தைகள் பராமரிப்பகம், உணவுக் கூடம், சூரிய சக்தி மின் விளக்கு, நடமாடும் கழிப்பிடம் என்று கச்சிதமான ஏற்பாடுகள். கூட்டத்தை எதிர்பார்த்து, மாநாட்டுப் பந்தலுக்கு அருகே இருந்த டாஸ்மாக் கடைகளில் தடுப்புக் கட்டைகள் எல்லாம் கட்டி வைத்து இருந்தார்கள். அதிசயமான உண்மை, அங்கே கூட்டம் சேரவே இல்லை.

பந்தல் நிறையத் தொண்டர்கள் கூட்டம் இருந்தது. ஆனால், பொன்.ராதாகிருஷ்ணன் பேசியபோது முக்கியத் தலைவர்கள் யாரும் மேடையில் இல்லை. நிதின் கட்காரி பேசியபோது, வெங்கையா நாயுடு இல்லை. வெங்கையா பேசும்போது, நிதின் இல்லை. சுஷ்மா பேசும்போது, வெங்கையா இல்லை. அத்வானி பேசும்போது, கட்காரியும் இல்லை, வெங்கையாவும் இல்லை. அழைப்பிதழில் பெயர் இருந்தும் மத்தியப் பிரதேச, கர்நாடக முதல்வர்கள் மாநாட்டுக்கு வரவே இல்லை. ஆக, பா.ஜ.க. மாநாட்டில் மேடை நாகரிகம், ரொம்பக் கம்மிதான்.

இரண்டு துரைமுருகன், மூன்று டி.ராஜேந்தர் சேர்ந்தது போல பாடி லாங்வேஜிலும், அடுக்கு மொழியிலும் பேசி மாநாட்டைக் கலகலப்பாக்கினார் முன்னாள் தேசியத் தலைவர் வெங்கையா நாயுடு. அவரது பேச்சை மொழிபெயர்க்க முடியாமல், திணறித்தான் போனார் தமிழிசை சௌந்திரராஜன். 'யு.பி.ஏ. என்றால் உல்டா புல்டா அலையன்ஸ். மன்மோகனுக்கும் சோனியாவுக்கும் இந்த ஆட்சியை எப்படி நடத்துவது என்றே தெரியவில்லை. ஆனால், 29 கட்சிகளைக் கூட்டணியில் வைத்துக்கொண்டு ஐந்து ஆண்டுகள் வெற்றிகரமாக மத்திய ஆட்சியை நடத்திக் காட்டினார் வாஜ்பாய். 50 ஆண்டு கால காங்கிரஸ் ஆட்சியில் மூன்று கோடி தொலைபேசி இணைப்புகள், ஆனால், ஐந்து ஆண்டு பா.ஜ.க. ஆட்சியில் 60 கோடித் தொலைபேசி இணைப்புகள். 50 ஆண்டு காலமாக ஒரே ஒரு சேனல், அதுவும் உருப்படாத தூர்தர்ஷன் மட்டுமே இருந்தது. பா.ஜ.க. ஆட்சியில்தான் 600 சேனல்கள் வந்தன. 24 மணி நேர நியூஸ் சேனல்கள் முதல் மிட்நைட் மசாலா வரைக்கும் எத்தனையோ சேனல்கள் வருகின்றன. (மிட்நைட் மசாலா என்பதை, நள்ளிரவுச் செய்திகள் என்று தமிழிசை மொழி பெயர்க்க ஒரே சிரிப்பலை!).

டிரைவர் ஸீட்டில் மன்மோகன் சிங் இருக்கிறார். ஸ்டீயரிங், சோனியா கையில் இருக்கிறது. பிரேக்கோ, கருணாநிதி போன்றவர்களின் கையில் இருக்கிறது. அதனால், இஷ்டத்துக்கு வண்டி ஓடுகிறது. லட்சக்கணக்கான விவசாயிகள் தற்கொலை செய்கிறார்கள். சோனியாவும் மன்மோகன்சிங்கும் சிரிக்கிறார்கள். இலங்கையில் தமிழர்கள் படுகொலை செய்யப்படுகிறார்கள். மன்மோகனும் கலைஞரும் தூங்கிக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள். காங்கிரஸுக்கு எதிரான அலை நாடு முழுவதும் வீசுகிறது.

நாங்கள் ஆட்சிக்கு வந்தால், ஒரே நாடு, ஒரே மக்கள், ஒரே சட்டம் என்பது நடைமுறைக்கு வரும். ராமர் பாலம் பாரம்பரியச் சின்னமாக அறிவிக்கப்படும். கங்கை - காவிரி இணைக்கப்படும். ஸோ, யு.பி.ஏ. அவுட். நோ டவுட்'' என்றார்.

இலங்கை அரசு கொடுத்த பரிசுப் பொருளை பெற்றுக்கொண்டது குறித்துப் பேசிய சுஷ்மா சுவராஜ், 'அவர்கள் பரிசுப் பொருளை எனக்குக் கொடுக்கவில்லை. இந்திய அரசுக்குத்தான் கொடுத்தார்கள். அதனால், நாடு திரும்பிய அன்றே, டெல்லி நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் உள்ள அரசுக் கருவூலத்தில் அந்தப் பரிசுப் பொருளை ஒப்படைத்து விட்டேன். இலங்கையில் யாரும் தனிநாடு கேட்கவில்லை. இங்கே இருக்கும் சில தலைவர்கள்தான் இலங்கையில் பிரிவினையை ஏற்படுத்தப் பார்க்கிறார்கள்' என்றும் குற்றம் சாட்டினார்.

மாநாட்டு நிறைவில், சிறப்புரை ஆற்றிய எல்.கே.அத்வானி, பழங்கதை மட்டுமே பேசி, நிகழ்கால அரசியல் பற்றி ஒரு வார்த்தையும் பேசவில்லை. 'நல்ல தலைமை, குறிக்கோள், திட்டம், செயல்பாடு ஆகிய நான்கும் இருந்தால், அது போராக இருந்தாலும், தேர்தலாக இருந்தாலும் வெற்றி நிச்சயம். தேர்தல் வெற்றி மட்டும் நம் நோக்கம் அல்ல. நல்லாட்சியும், நாட்டின் பாதுகாப்பும்தான் பா.ஜ.க-வின் இலக்கு' என்று முடித்தவருக்கு, வெள்ளிச் செங்கோல் கொடுத்தார்கள்.

மாநாட்டுக்கு மறுநாள் நடந்த மாநிலப் பொதுக் குழுக் கூட்டத்தில் பேசிய பொன்.ராதாகிருஷ்ணன், ''தமிழகத்தில் பா.ஜ.க. வளர்ச்சி பெற்று இருப்பதை இந்த மாநாடு நிரூபித்து இருக்கிறது. பா.ஜ.க. வயதுக்கு வந்து விட்டது, அதற்கு அலையன்ஸ் (கூட்டணி) பார்த்துக் கொண்டு இருப்பதாக நீங்கள் நினைக்கிறீர்கள். ஆனால், அதற்குத் திருமணமே செய்து வைத்துவிடும் (ஆட்சிப் பொறுப்பு) முயற்சியில் தலைவர்கள் இருக்கிறார்கள்'' என்று கலகலப்பாக்கினார்.

பி.ஜே.பி-க்குத் திருமணம் நடக்கிறதோ இல்லையோ, நாடாளுமன்றத் தேர்தலுக்குத் தமிழகத்தில் நல்ல அலையன்ஸ் கிடைக்கிறதா என்று பார்ப்போம்.