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jaish
August 21st, 2012, 05:32 PM
Many of us realised that Money is not every thing / we have to be content with what we have - realisation post 40 years.

Chasing money will never let you to rest / retire.

Oru stage la ella vasadhikal irundhum, onnum anubhavikka mudiyadhu. Why get into that stage ?

I am not fortunate enough to retire early as others.

That is greatness of having traditions that were time tested. Our traditions have given us stage wise duties to each individual once those duties were realized man one gets huge pride with happiness and More urge to go for realisation of other duties. Just imagine going to kasi and Rameshwaram once all the duties are accomplished in life and declaring that i am ready to be taken.

kannan infratech
August 21st, 2012, 05:32 PM
That is very nice to hear, but my point is how practical is it for someone(other than in business) to earn the money necessary to support his children's education, marriage, etc.. in this hyper inflated era within that age limit?


Adheppadi onga bhadil modhallayum ennoda post pinnalayum varudhu ? :nuts:

Romba panam selavazhikkamayum padikka vaikka mudiyum.

Simple a vum Kalyanam pannalam.

Most of us are chasing mirages.

kongutamizhan
August 21st, 2012, 05:33 PM
My worry is that why BJP is not discussing on the floor house regarding coalgate.

It is quite disheartening to note that parliament is not having any debate now a days. After the debate they can act in the they are doing now so that let the facts come out. Now people are airing only their views.

Who disrupted parliament after Advani's assam speech? With respect to Parliament discussions here you go

This is coalgate

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120821/latest-news.htm

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/375686/20120821/cag-prime-minister-coalgate-bjp-congress-loss.htm


Also like you youself stated, if media blacks out BJP's activity in parliament then look around. Here are few issues that they raised over last 2 weeks

http://s18.postimage.org/54i3o7trd/Screen_Shot_2012_08_21_at_10_25_57_AM.png

http://s15.postimage.org/bn9h40ufv/Screen_Shot_2012_08_21_at_10_26_31_AM.png

Licit Mortal
August 21st, 2012, 05:33 PM
Adheppadi onga bhadil modhallayum ennoda post pinnalayum varudhu ? :nuts:

Romba panam selavazhikkamayum padikka vaikka mudiyum.

Simple a vum Kalyanam pannalam.

Most of us are chasing mirages.

That is precisely what I am wondering. May be there was a time slip of 1 minute. Is it even possible? lol

BTW, You can say un bathil instead of unga bathi. :)

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 05:37 PM
My point it started off very well, House one voice regarding NE people exodous has once again reminded us what is India. My only point here is Regarding coalgate we are listening only debate in TV studios i want to listen debate in Parliament after that let them carry out what they are doing now.

Is it crime expecting our political parties to have meaning ful debate in parliament regarding so called mother of all scam.

krishnaswamy
August 21st, 2012, 05:43 PM
KT,
didnt you know that Congress always welcomed BJP to have debates in Parliament much before CAG report?
They welcomed it for 2G and CAG.

it is BJP who does not want debates in Parliament and need PM's head, so that Rahul can be PM. They wanted Raja's head for some known reasons.

Try to be a Roman in Rome, KT.

kongutamizhan
August 21st, 2012, 05:52 PM
^^ Yes they want MMS and Rahul's head and that's political. I'm not getting into it.

My reply was intended at Jaish who says debate never happens. It does, media don't highlight them enough. They just want to sensationalize events (that too not when majority community is affected). In days of social media it is unfortunate that they think that they can hide things by spreading lies (or by not reporting) in mainstream media.

They also choose to portray BJP as disruptive in parliament. But when Sonia did it for Advani's speech they portrayed it as "rare agitation". Barkha and other journalists on congress payroll tweeted congress leaders should do it more often :nuts: They praised her for being disruptive. So it's clear about how they report news. We have to get information from all possible sources, read everything before bowing down to media plans

satchitananda
August 21st, 2012, 05:52 PM
That is very nice to hear, but my point is how practical is it for someone(other than in business) to earn the money necessary to support his children's education, marriage, etc.. in this hyper inflated era within that age limit?

I think Kannan already eludicated it beautifully. Just to add to that

- Each one of us come with an inner urge, an inner direction. Most of us lose it due to peer pressure or comparison with others.

- Kannan's conclusion is not in isolation. i heard about this mega millionaire in UK (over US radio) who left the top CEO position to end up with his family as a farmer.

- The other point you raised, well unless you have proper investments (not the small ones we squirrel in stocks) or have a business that runs without your presence, you are going to be in this rat race for much longer than we wish.

- Living below our means is another golden rule. Doesnt mean we have to be cheap skates, but being reasonable.

But having said all these practical ways, our great seers of the yore have transcended this state. There will always be a lacuna in human mind, even if you own everything on the street, in the state or nation or even world.
Just like whatever you drop in fire, perishes in it to only increase the fire, the desires fuel this imbalance. If you dont achieve it, it morphs into sadness, anger, anxiety, fear, depression, jealousy etc. When you achieve it, it only adds to the cravings, thereby leaving us with a perpetual state of wanting more. Its just like the itch.. keep itching.. you need more..

One practical way I find it easier for most of us to grasp will be to set some goals on different aspects of life. If one observes its usually only centered around money or acquisition. Instead, add to that list of goals, things like health, relationships, SPIRITUALITY. Thats why our great ancestors divised the fourfold strategy. These are not four different goals, but four dimensions of the same goal. Dharma-Artha-Kama-Moksha to take care of the social-material/physical-psychological-spiritual dimensions of life respectively.

Ponder along these lines.

kannan infratech
August 21st, 2012, 05:56 PM
Sorry to bother you Guys with some philosophy today.

I realised many things in Life during various trekking tours / expeditions.

I personally saw poor Nepalis / Gorkhas enjoying their family lives / porter jobs so much whereas a Billionaire trekker was worried about his business / family even during trekking.

At many places we realised that we are nothing in front of the nature. Even the billionaire with all his contacts could not do a thing when we were caught in a landslide near Joshimutt.

I was dependent so much on a poor Himachal family during my bike expedition to Rohtang Pass. I fell ill and was staying in their wayside house for a few days. They even shared their simple food for which they had to work hard.

Realisation dawns on you when you see that your money / contacts / family background can not come to your help at those places.

satchitananda
August 21st, 2012, 06:00 PM
Realisation dawns on you when you see that your money / contacts / family background can not come to your help at those places.

Thats when one really misses the depth of Kannadasan's lyrics

"Veedu varai uravu, veedhi varai manaivi, kaadu varai pillai, kadaisi varai yaaro"

Only our vasanas follow everywhere, besides something that gives life to those vasanas.

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 06:06 PM
is there any way i can change my login name? I want to do that my login name gives different color to my post. I was not realizing it so far.

kannan infratech
August 21st, 2012, 06:35 PM
is there any way i can change my login name? I want to do that my login name gives different color to my post. I was not realizing it so far.

Your past posts can not be changed to your new ID.

If you want to change to a new ID / name, then please send a request PM to all Indian Mods and Jan.

It may take some time.

Why do you want to change ?

I thought that Jaishankar's short form is jaish.

chennaiyorker
August 21st, 2012, 06:39 PM
There is another important issue that could affect millions of lives that the media is not covering. they spend time on stupid bachchan tweets, but not this:bash:


How an Indian Patent Case Could Shape the Future of Generic Drugs: Patient vs Patent

On Wednesday, the Indian Supreme Court will hear a landmark case that could limit Indian companies’ right to make inexpensive generic drugs.
India’s rising global presence is often associated with its booming tech sector. But in many poor countries, India’s role is that of a low-cost pharmacy. The country has become a leading supplier of affordable HIV/AIDS and Tuberculosis medications and is the second leading provider of medicines distributed by UNICEF in the developing world This, however, may change.

...At the heart of the current dispute is the breakthrough cancer drug Glivec (Gleevec in the U.S.). Novartis, the Swiss drug company that helped develop the drug, is appealing the rejection of its 2006 patent application in India. In the U.S., where patent laws make it easier to register a patent claim, a monthly dose of Glivec can cost as much $5,000. In India, locally made generics cost patients $200.

...Novartis’ first attempts at patenting Glivec were rejected in India because it was considered to be an updated version of an existing Novartis drug, and therefore not eligible for patent protection. To protect consumers of low-cost medicines — and its pharmaceutical industry — Indian patent law aims to curtail a process known as ‘evergreening,’ in which pharmaceutical companies make sometimes minor improvements to an old medicine, allowing them to renew their patent. Under India’s tough standards, modifications that do not improve the efficacy of the drug are not eligible for extended patents.

.....If the court rules in favor of Novartis’ claim, aid groups worry it will set off numerous new patent claims making it impossible for India to produce cheap generics of all sorts. But the court is unlikely to lower the standard thereby granting Novartis a patent, says Shamnad Bhasheer. The Indian laws were designed specifically to favor public health interests, and the court would likely only lower the standard if it believed that innovation, particularly by Indian companies, was being stifled


I hope the supreme court rules against Novartis.

Looking at it another way..We, our laws, help to keep of hundreds of millions of people around the world alive and healthy, and they depend on us to keep them alive! Aren't we truly a global power now in the right sense!? we didn't need drones and missiles to do that!

http://world.time.com/2012/08/21/how-an-indian-patent-case-could-shape-the-future-of-generic-drugs/

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 06:48 PM
Hope the big pharma fails..

http://world.time.com/2012/08/21/how-an-indian-patent-case-could-shape-the-future-of-generic-drugs/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 06:49 PM
Who disrupted parliament after Advani's assam speech? With respect to Parliament discussions here you go



New Delhi: On a day when the Opposition stalled both houses of Parliament over the coal scam, the Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs, Rajiv Shukla, was caught on tape advising the Rajya Sabha Chair to adjourn the House.

The UPA Minister was caught on camera telling the Rajya Sabha Deputy Chairman PJ Kurien, "There is going to be an uproar. Adjourn the session for the whole day."

However, defending his act in the Rajya Sabha, Shukla said there was nothing wrong in what he did.

He said, There is nothing wrong in what I did in Rajya Sabha. It is up to the Speaker or the Chairperson to listen to our advise or not."

The Rajya Sabha also appeared to defend Shukla, with sources in the Upper House of Parliament saying it was a normal practice by a Parliamentary Affairs Minister to advise the chairperson or the deputy chairperson on adjournment of the House.

Kurien, who was elected as the Deputy Chairman, had just occupied the Chair when members of entire Opposition started shouting slogans against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and the government.

Amid the din, Shukla, who is Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs, went to the chair and whispered in the ears of Kurien to adjourn the House.

The whisper, however, was caught on Kurien's mike and was amplified. The House was adjourned soon after for the day.

Significantly, minutes earlier, Kurien, while accepting felicitations on his induction, had said that he would try to accommodate views of all members in running the House. Criticising Shukla's action, BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar said it has "exposed Congress design" to disrupt Parliament and not allow it to function.

"Congress is engaging in double speak as on the one hand it is telling the Chair to adjourn the House and on the other hand they are blaming the BJP for causing disruptions.

"They have been badly exposed and they are not interested in running the House," Javadekar added. Former Lok Sabha Secretary General Subhash Kashyap disapproved of Shukla's conduct saying "It is undignified for a member to walk upto the chair and advise...Members or Ministers should speak from their seat."

Former Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chatterjee, however, said that Shukla might have given a suggestion which was not binding on the Chair.




http://ibnlive.in.com/news/upa-minister-caught-asking-rs-chair-to-adjourn-house/284247-37-64.html

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 06:49 PM
what my last post is appearing b4 my first one?

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 06:52 PM
Looking at it another way..We, our laws, help to keep of hundreds of millions of people around the world alive and healthy, and they depend on us to keep them alive! Aren't we truly a global power now in the right sense!? we didn't need drones and missiles to do that!

http://world.time.com/2012/08/21/how-an-indian-patent-case-could-shape-the-future-of-generic-drugs/

Nice one.

I posted and when the page refreshed saw your post. :)

krishnaswamy
August 21st, 2012, 06:55 PM
If you are in power, you can do anything. you can have camera point to only opposition as it happened in TN LA.
You can order the media to edit the contents to show only opposition reaction on scam.
your minister can go scott free for degrating the constituational body as it is done by Narayanaswamy.
You can use the CBI for your party's need.
You can blame the govt that ruled 9 years ago for your policy flaws or fail to inact.
More importantly only the private person's property value shoots up, whereas Govt's property value will remain static. 1999-2009 are same with respect to Govt Assets.
you can choose when to table a constitutional report.
You can deny the opposition argument for debates in parliament for 1 year and then on final moment, you can say lets debate in parliament.
Even during that debate, use those allakais who need CBI help to disrupt the parliament in some other issue and make sure that principal opposition dont get a chance to bring out that issue. (DMK bringing Sri lankan Tamil issue, when something else was decided to dicuss on).

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 06:57 PM
Hope the big pharma fails..

http://world.time.com/2012/08/21/how-an-indian-patent-case-could-shape-the-future-of-generic-drugs/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

Let us not hope anyone's failure. Let us pray for right sense to prevail to them.

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 07:05 PM
Let us not hope anyone's failure. Let us pray for right sense to prevail to them.

Them - judges/ Novartis ?

Based on the below para, I think you are referring to the judges.


But the court is unlikely to lower the standard thereby granting Novartis a patent, says Shamnad Bhasheer. The Indian laws were designed specifically to favor public health interests, and the court would likely only lower the standard if it believed that innovation, particularly by Indian companies, was being stifled.

I don't want our health care system to become like the one in US nor the only like in Europe.

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 07:09 PM
Ambu vittavana pudigadana, Ambu seithavana pudikuragalam..

NE exodus: Govt may take action against Twitter

krishnaswamy
August 21st, 2012, 07:14 PM
Again i am saying as a Citizen I need debate in parliament let them do whatever they want to do later.
I will stop here
Dont you think it is the ruling govt responsibility to ensure for a debate?
why Congies has delayed the report?
why they have denied the debates for 2G scam?
Just evaluate yourself, Prime minister statements in the parliament with the actual data on the corruptions.

I will stop here.

Cosmicbliss
August 21st, 2012, 07:15 PM
I was planning to go there last year (Trinidad & Tobago) with St kitts but heard that its not safe. So cut short the visit to Bahamas. I heard after 6 its not safe, to be out on your own? Is that the case. Please clarify. I am eager to visit T&T , A&B and the Turks.

Also heard that Turks is costly. And Guyana is a French terrority right? I think its also part of Euro.

One of the largest travel agency in US is our client and often I get some good deals. So when the next one comes, I can pick it up. :)

Here are the answers:

1. Trinidad and Tobago safety is an issue. :ohno: Definitely, there are areas which should be avoided in Port of Spain day and night. (Laventille especially). :ohno: After it gets dark, really disreputable people do come out in TT. So yes, safety is an issue but as long as you avoid certain area in port of spain you should be fine. :) Murders have shot through the roof there. :ohno:

2. Smaller west indian islands-st.lucia, st.kitts, grenda, Antigua are safer but there are hardly any Indians there-except for Sindhi businessmen/traders :lol: and-IMHO-except for beautiful beaches and water, there aren't too many "other" things to see. Dominica has very nice rainforests which are definitely worth seeing. However, some west Indian islands have commercialised tourism to a huge extent so you may or may not like it. Barbados has nice beaches as does Jamaica. But Jamaica has very high levels of crime. :bash:

3. French Guiana was-not sure now-a French territory. Guyana-formerly British Guyana is NOT a french territory, and nobody speaks french there. For that matter, even Spanish is not spoken at all. English is the only language that matters in Guyana. It is also safer than TT by far but it is a much poorer country, doesn't have too many good places to stay and is huge (the size of West Bengal) with 900,000 people. The roads are not that great so moving around isn't that easy and overall, the tourism sector is poorly developed. The plus side is you may like meeting the huge "Indian" community there and there is some genuine hospitality, not the manufactured kind which you tend to find in places that survive on tourism. :lol:

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 07:21 PM
Dont you think it is the ruling govt responsibility to ensure for a debate?
why Congies has delayed the report?
why they have denied the debates for 2G scam?
Just evaluate yourself, Prime minister statements in the parliament with the actual data on the corruptions.

I will stop here.

Debate ellam Sonia, MM and Rahul Vinci pannikuvangalam. Opp just listen pannuna podumam.

Note : The below post by Kannan was actually posted before mine. I think something has changed in ss, where the time we click the "quote" button is taken instead of the time we post. By the time I submitted, I saw my post before Kannan's post. Any body want to test this ?

kannan infratech
August 21st, 2012, 07:22 PM
The ministerial post of Parliamentary Affairs is the most important one.

During Pre SG era, the Minister of PA would meet all the opposition parties / their leaders / whips and discuss the agenda in detail. Even No Confidence Motions will be accepted coolly.

He would then prepare the grounds and make the opposition parties feel free to attend the sessions and debate. Quorum in parliament was considered very sacrosanct.

I can point out that Pramod Mahajan may probably be the last efficient M of PA.

But things have changed now. M of PA is just like another post and he is used to scuttle the tricky / difficult debates

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 07:28 PM
Dont you think it is the ruling govt responsibility to ensure for a debate?
why Congies has delayed the report?
why they have denied the debates for 2G scam?
Just evaluate yourself, Prime minister statements in the parliament with the actual data on the corruptions.

I will stop here.

In a democracy it is responsibility of both ruling and opposition party. Govt has got additional responsibility of engaging with opposition.

The report was not delayed. I think you were following TN report.

There was sufficient debate on 2G before CAG report and after CAG report Opposition wanted JPC for that they stopped parilament. They got it.

PM statements i dont know what you are referring too.

I stop here.

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 07:30 PM
Here are the answers:

1. Trinidad and Tobago safety is an issue. :ohno: Definitely, there are areas which should be avoided in Port of Spain day and night. (Laventille especially). :ohno: After it gets dark, really disreputable people do come out in TT. So yes, safety is an issue but as long as you avoid certain area in port of spain you should be fine. :) Murders have shot through the roof there. :ohno:

2. Smaller west indian islands-st.lucia, st.kitts, grenda, Antigua are safer but there are hardly any Indians there-except for Sindhi businessmen/traders :lol: and-IMHO-except for beautiful beaches and water, there aren't too many "other" things to see. Dominica has very nice rainforests which are definitely worth seeing. However, some west Indian islands have commercialised tourism to a huge extent so you may or may not like it. Barbados has nice beaches as does Jamaica. But Jamaica has very high levels of crime. :bash:

3. French Guiana was-not sure now-a French territory. Guyana-formerly British Guyana is NOT a french territory, and nobody speaks french there. For that matter, even Spanish is not spoken at all. English is the only language that matters in Guyana. It is also safer than TT by far but it is a much poorer country, doesn't have too many good places to stay and is huge (the size of West Bengal) with 900,000 people. The roads are not that great so moving around isn't that easy and overall, the tourism sector is poorly developed. The plus side is you may like meeting the huge "Indian" community there and there is some genuine hospitality, not the manufactured kind which you tend to find in places that survive on tourism. :lol:

Thanks for the valuable info. Will plan for Guyana/Dominica next time and think about T&T. Got mixed up with French Guiana and Guyana.

deepu051993
August 21st, 2012, 07:31 PM
Dear All,

I am very happy to share the below information.

Finally our efforts for TIDES going to be true very shortly.

Yes, we have successfully submitted the forms to Trichy registrar for registering TIDES. We will become one of the registered associations in Trichy and we are expecting the registration in 10 days.

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Oru Chinna Publicitingo.....

kongutamizhan
August 21st, 2012, 07:37 PM
^^ Congrats. What does the acronym TIDES stand for?

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 07:44 PM
The ministerial post of Parliamentary Affairs is the most important one.

During Pre SG era, the Minister of PA would meet all the opposition parties / their leaders / whips and discuss the agenda in detail. Even No Confidence Motions will be accepted coolly.

He would then prepare the grounds and make the opposition parties feel free to attend the sessions and debate. Quorum in parliament was considered very sacrosanct.

I can point out that Pramod Mahajan may probably be the last efficient M of PA.

But things have changed now. M of PA is just like another post and he is used to scuttle the tricky / difficult debates

Now a days PA controlling opposition thro IPL cricket tickets.:lol::lol:

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 07:44 PM
Oru Chinna Publicitingo.....

Congrats.

Ammam Loan ellam tharuveengala? :)

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 07:45 PM
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deepu051993
August 21st, 2012, 07:45 PM
^^ Congrats. What does the acronym TIDES stand for?

Trichy Intracity Development Endeavors

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 07:46 PM
Trichy Intracity Development Endeavors

All the best for your great efforts.

krishnaswamy
August 21st, 2012, 07:53 PM
Oru Chinna Publicitingo.
Deepu,good initiative.

natarajan1986
August 21st, 2012, 07:56 PM
If you are in power, you can do anything. you can have camera point to only opposition as it happened in TN LA.
You can order the media to edit the contents to show only opposition reaction on scam.
your minister can go scott free for degrating the constituational body as it is done by Narayanaswamy.
You can use the CBI for your party's need.
You can blame the govt that ruled 9 years ago for your policy flaws or fail to inact.
More importantly only the private person's property value shoots up, whereas Govt's property value will remain static. 1999-2009 are same with respect to Govt Assets.
you can choose when to table a constitutional report.
You can deny the opposition argument for debates in parliament for 1 year and then on final moment, you can say lets debate in parliament.
Even during that debate, use those allakais who need CBI help to disrupt the parliament in some other issue and make sure that principal opposition dont get a chance to bring out that issue. (DMK bringing Sri lankan Tamil issue, when something else was decided to dicuss on).

:lol:good points

dpitchai
August 21st, 2012, 08:13 PM
geico2000… Why erimalai vedichufying???

kongutamizhan
August 21st, 2012, 08:19 PM
@ geico, superb photos

Is there an active volcano in Chile? First 2-3 pictures made my day

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 08:20 PM
geico2000… Why erimalai vedichufying???

Jaish stylelu, post panni papomnu nenaichen but neenga vanthu kelvi keetuteenga.

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 08:26 PM
I dont have any style are anything. Nan oru dummy piece. Etho enaku thonratha Ezhutharan. Just inquisitive what is that you have understood as my style?

dpitchai
August 21st, 2012, 08:35 PM
Naanga solla maatomey...

kongutamizhan
August 21st, 2012, 08:36 PM
^^ Naan kooda avaroda American airlines baggage vandhiruchunnu ninaichen :(

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 09:18 PM
^^ Naan kooda avaroda American airlines baggage vandhiruchunnu ninaichen :(

I actually posted the link but removed :)

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/world/gallery/tungurahua-volcano/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_world+%28RSS%3A+World%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

geico2000
August 21st, 2012, 09:20 PM
I dont have any style are anything. Nan oru dummy piece. Etho enaku thonratha Ezhutharan. Just inquisitive what is that you have understood as my style?

Nothing offensive or personal. Previously you used to reply without quoting and it was hard to understand the context for me (I hope its only me) but then got used to it and it seems you also have changed it.

jaish
August 21st, 2012, 09:28 PM
Thanks for taking pain to explain.

In general

In this kind of communication the problem is what is conveyed is not that what you wanted since I am not good writer it is totally understand in other way. Unfortunately people decides about one on the basis what they understood not on the basis what you wanted to convey.

dpitchai
August 21st, 2012, 10:06 PM
Don't worry Jaish. Everyone might have passed that stage. Before you post some thing, read your message from other shoes, you might see why other folks complain that some of your postings are ambiguous.

Additionally many members here post messages in extremely matured manner, that might show our messages a bit amateurish.

krishnaswamy
August 22nd, 2012, 12:00 AM
If the NDA fails to create a truce between the warring titans, it will be the Congress that will be laughing all the way to the bank in 2014 (http://newindianexpress.com/prabhu_chawla/columns/article591612.ece)

....Leadership can’t be bought or acquired by running down other leaders. It follows one’s work and words. Unfortunately, Nitish neither has any work to show nor any words of wisdom for others to follow him. His work has been confined to the geographical boundaries of Bihar, which have been defined by his caste and community politics. He doesn’t depend on merely touting his achievements as the chief minister, but by making Modi look like a monster. For the past few weeks, Nitish has not got any opportunity to display his pathological hatred for Modi who, in turn, hasn’t even bothered to acknowledge Nitish’s uncharitable barbs. Undoubtedly, Modi has to explain his government’s failure to contain the worst-ever communal carnage in 2002, but his track record of putting Gujarat back on the development path hasn’t been questioned even by his worst adversaries. By making Modi his political rival, Nitish has diluted his anti-Congress genes. If the NDA fails to create a truce between the warring titans, it will be the Congress that will be laughing all the way to the bank in 2014.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 12:14 AM
Thanks for taking pain to explain.

In general

In this kind of communication the problem is what is conveyed is not that what you wanted since I am not good writer it is totally understand in other way. Unfortunately people decides about one on the basis what they understood not on the basis what you wanted to convey.

Evalavu theliva oru explanation kuduthutu, "Nan oru dummy piece" nu oru dialogue ethuku. Unga thanadakathuku alavae illa.. :)

kongutamizhan
August 22nd, 2012, 03:43 AM
CG considering Twitter censorship as it upsets its allakis like Sagarikha, Barkha, Rajdeep & co

http://m.timesofindia.com/tech/news/internet/Twitter-may-face-govt-axe-in-India/articleshow/15582451.cms
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update (adding this). so now where is the government getting pressure from? election fear, allakai fear.

Media crooks tears apart CNN IBN

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2012/08/communal-cnn-ibn-rants-against-social.html#.UDQ7JETZeII

Thangaselvan
August 22nd, 2012, 04:30 AM
Simple a vum Kalyanam pannalam.

Most of us are chasing mirages.

Super kannan :). Many marriages are pushing people to debt.Marriages should be simple.The amount can be used for improving the living conditions of married couple.

chennaiyorker
August 22nd, 2012, 06:04 AM
Looks like our TN boys (all age categories) are the fastest in South India. Kudos! Could this be a direct result of improving economic and health indicators or of improved sports programs in the state?

TN sprinters to the fore

The battle between Kerala and Tamil Nadu for overall supremacy continued at the South Zone junior athletic championship here on Tuesday.

Boys: Under-14 shot put: 1. Hathi Reddy (Andhra) 14.20 m; 2. Sreehari Vishnu (Kerala) 12.71 m; 3. K. S. Adithyakarthikeyan (TN) 12.45m. Under-14 100 m: 1. M. Ajith Parthiban (TN) 11.84 sec; 2. Siva P. (Andhra) 11.93 sec; 3. V. Sibichakkaravarthi (TN) 11.98 sec. Under-16 100 m: 1. M. S. Arun (TN) 11.03 sec; 2. Nithin U. (Kerala) 11.68 sec; 3. B. Rambabu (Andhra) 11.68 sec. Under-16 5,000 race walk: 1. Arundev T. K. (Kerala) 25 min:23.3; 2. S. K. Jilani (Andhra) 27 min: 53.9; 3. K. Gandhi Reddy (Andhra) 28 min:4.85. Under-18 100 m: 1. Augustine Yesudas (TN) 10.91 sec; 2. S. Sudhakar (TN) 10.95 sec; 3. Jeris Jose (Kerala) 11.04 sec. Under-20 100 m: 1. V. Praveen Muthu (TN) 10.86 sec; 2. B. Suryanarayana (Andhra) 10.99 sec; 3. Mohammed Afeef Owaise (Karnataka) 11.03 sec.

ADDED:

Girls have done well too!

Selected results: Girls: Under-14 100 m: 1. K. Ramalakshmi (TN) 12.94 sec; 2. V. Tamilselvi (TN) 13.13 sec; 3. Rugma Udhayan (Kerala) 13.13 sec. Under-16 100 m: 1. C. Tina (TN) 12.88 sec; 2. Sneha Roy (Kerala) 12.97 sec; 3. A. Chandralekha (TN) 13.03 sec. Under-18 100 m: 1. Rengitha C. (Kerala) 12.5 sec; 2. Meghana Shetty (Karnataka) 12.69 sec; 3. Anju P. M. (Kerala) 12.86 sec. Under-18 5,000 m race walk: 1. Binsy A. M. (Kerala) 27 min:47; 2. Akshaya S. (Kerala) 29 min:6.71; 3. Prathiksha S. R. (Karnataka) 29 min:17.4. Under-20 100 m: 1. Bebi Sumaya (Karnataka) 12.13 sec; 2. S. Archana (TN) 12.38 sec; 3. Manju K. (Kerala) 12.6 sec. Under-20 pole vault: 1. Sinju Prakash (Kerala) 3.31 m; 2. Mithuna K. (Kerala) 2.90 m.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/sport/others/tn-sprinters-fore-275

krishnaswamy
August 22nd, 2012, 06:08 AM
கிராமமாக இருந்து மாநகரமான சிங்காரச் சென்னைக்கு இன்று 373வது பிறந்தநாள் (http://tamil.oneindia.in/news/2012/08/22/tamilnadu-chennai-celebrates-373rd-b-day-today-160044.html)
Happy Birthday Chennai

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 06:40 AM
Super kannan :). Many marriages are pushing people to debt.Marriages should be simple.The amount can be used for improving the living conditions of married couple.

Earlier, My parents generation spent all their savings for One small house and for their daughter's marriage.

robertashok
August 22nd, 2012, 09:42 AM
I don't want to start another debate here, but compared to North Indian's we don't spend much on marriage.

kannan infratech
August 22nd, 2012, 09:44 AM
Ravi Nag in Facebook :

http://www.facebook.com/nagravi1


ஃபேஸ்புக் அடுத்தது ஃபேஸ்டீல் தான் இனிமே ஃபேமஸ். ஆனா இதற்க்கும் ஃபேஸ்புக் கம்பெனிக்கும் சம்பந்தம் இல்லை. ஃபேஸ்டீல்ஸ் இப்போது நிறைய அமெரிக்க ஸ்தாபனங்களில் இன்ஸ்டால் செய்யபடுகிரது. நீங்கள் உதாரணத்திற்க்கு ஒரு காப்பி கடைக்கு போனால் நீங்கள் நுழையும் போதே உங்கள் முகத்தை நொடியில் ஸ்கேன் செய்து உடனே ஃபேஸ்புக் மற்றும் ஃபேஸ்டீல் ஆப்ஸில் ரவி இந்த காபி ஷாப்பில் உள்ளார் என கூறும். அது போக அந்த கடையின் கேஷியர் திரையில் ரவி நிரைய காபி குடிக்கும் ஆசாமி அவருக்கு நீங்கள் இவ்வளவு டிஸ்கவுன்ட் தரலாம்னு அலெர்ட் செய்யும். நம்ம கேஷியர் கவுன்டருக்கு போனா வெல்கம் மிஸ்டர் ரவி உங்களுக்கு இத்தனை பர்சென்ட் அடிஷனல் டிஸ்கவுன்ட் தரோம்னு சொல்லி உங்களை ஷாக் ஆக்குவாங்க.

அது போக நீங்கள் ஒரு சரியான சாவுகிராக்கி கஸ்டமராய் இருந்தா அதையும் கடைக்காரருக்கு அலெர்ட் செய்து உஷார் பன்னும். சில ஷாப் திருடர்கள் உள்ளே நுழைந்தால் உடனே கூறும் இந்த கஸ்டமருக்கு ஏற்கனவே திருட்டு ரெக்கார்ட்ஸ் இருக்கீரது அதனால் உஷார்னு சொல்லும். சில கஸ்டமர் நிரைய பொருட்களை வாஙர மாதிரி டார்ச்சர் பண்ணி கடைசில ஒன்னுமே வாங்காம போற ஆள்களையும் காட்டி கொடுத்திடும். இதில் உள்ள நல்லது பத்து பேர் கடைக்கு வந்தா நல்ல கஸ்டமரை டக்குனு அடையாளம் காட்டி கொடுக்கும் அவங்களை கவனிச்சா இன்னும் பிஸினஸ் பெருகும். அதே சமயாம் தனி மனிதரின் பிரைவசி இஷ்யு இருக்கும் என சில பேர் கூறுகின்ரனர். இதே மாதிரி நிரைய இடங்களுக்கு போனால் உங்களுக்கு தகவல் வரும் நீங்கள் ரெகுலராய் போகும் காப்ப் கடையில் இன்று 50% டிஸ்கவுன்ட் அப்படின்னு தாக்கல் சொல்லும். இதை ரெட்பெப்பர் அட்வர்டைசிங் கம்பெனி கண்டுபிடிச்சு மார்க்கெட்ல இப்ப நிரைய இடத்துல இன்ஸ்டால் செஞ்சிருக்காங்க.... போக போக தெரியும்.....

kannan infratech
August 22nd, 2012, 09:45 AM
Ravi Nag in Facebook :

http://www.facebook.com/nagravi1


உலக வரலாற்றில் இன்னுமொரு மைல்கல், ஆம் உங்கள் கழிவு நீரான சமையல் அறை மற்றும் டாய்லட் கழிவு நீரை உடனுக்கு உடன் எரிபொருளாக மாற்ற முடியும் என நிருபனம் ஆகியுள்ளது. இதற்கு பெயர் "ஈ பி ஆர்- இன்டுரன்ஸ் பயோஎனர்ஜி ரியாக்டர் (Endurance Bio Reactor) என்று ஆர்கோன் நேஷனல் லெபாராட்டரி பெயரிட்டள்ளது. அதாவது கழிவி நீரை பேக்டிரியாக்கள் ஆல்க்கஹாலாகின் தன்மையாக மாற்ற கூடியது. அதில் உள்ள ஃபெர்மென்டேஷன் திட கழிவுகளை மற்றூம் வடிகட்டி எடுத்துவிட்டால் உடனே டீசலுக்கு பதிலாக இந்த நீரை உடனே ஜென்ரேட்டர் மற்றும் டீஸல் வண்டிகளுக்கு பயன்படுத்தமுடியும். இதை செய்ய பெரிய டெக்னிக்கள் லேப் தேவையில்லை சிம்பிள் முறையிலே செய்ய முடியும்.

இது எப்படி சாத்தியம் என கேட்பவர்களுக்கு இந்த ஈ பி ஆர் - ஃபோட்டோ சிந்தட்டிக் பேக்டிரியம் தான் உயிர் நாடி. இதில் இருக்கும் பயோ ஃபியூள் செல்கள் கழிவுகளின் உள்ள பேக்டிரியாவுடன் மோதி இது எரி பொருளாக மாறும் தன்மை கொண்டது. இதன் வரைபடத்தை இனைத்துள்ளேன் இது கூடிய சீக்கிரம் மார்கெட்டுக்கு வர இருக்கிறது. பழைய படி டிரெய்னேஜ் சிஸ்டஹ்தை எடுத்து விட்டு செப்டிக் டேங் மூலம் இதை யூஸ் பண்ண முடியும் என என்னுகிரேன். கூடுதல் தகவல் அப்டேட் கிடைத்ததும் தெரிவிக்கிறேன். இதை மிலிட்டரி மற்றும் வீட்டு உபயோகத்துக்கு மிக யூஸ்ஃபுல் மேட்டர். இதன் வீடியோவையும் பாருங்கள். - http://youtu.be/WTZIiWxLfA8

EBR efficiently convert waste from kitchens or latrines into long-chain alcohols. Once separated from the fermentation broth, these serve as surrogates for diesel fuel that can be used alone or in blends to power vehicles or generators. At the heart of the EBR is an engineered photosynthetic bacterium. This rapidly dividing organism uses plant enzymes and combines them with efficient light-harvesting machinery that is already normally abundant within these cells. These hybrid plant-bacterial reactions manufacture fuel molecules that are foreign to the bacterium, which then expels them into a culture medium where they can be sequestered, separated and used—without refining—in engines that normally run on diesel fuel. Video - http://youtu.be/WTZIiWxLfA8 — with Kayalvizhi Lakshmanan and 7 others.

kannan infratech
August 22nd, 2012, 09:48 AM
Ravi Nag in Aandhai Reporter :

http://www.aanthaireporter.com/?p=9929

deepu051993
August 22nd, 2012, 10:34 AM
Congrats.

Ammam Loan ellam tharuveengala? :)

Loan is available, but of PF scheme, Mudhala Invest Pannunga then you can get back your money is 10 years with huge investment and in that you can get your required loan in 2 years.

Another Scam ready:lol::lol:

sugu
August 22nd, 2012, 10:38 AM
காரைக்குடி, 22 : காரைக்குடி அருகே சாலையில் வேகமாக சென்று கொண்டிருந்த பயணிகள் பேருந்து மீது மின் கம்பம் சாய்ந்து விபத்துக்குள்ளானது. பேருந்தில் சுமார் 80 பயணிகள் இருந்தனர். எனினும், அந்த சமயத்தில் மின் தடை இருந்தததால் பேருந்தில் இருந்து பயணிகள் அனைவரும் உயிர் தப்பியதாக தகவல்கள் தெரிவிக்கின்றன.
http://www.dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%89%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF+%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%87%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81+%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%A3%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D&artid=648286&SectionID=164&MainSectionID=164&SEO=&SectionName=Latest

At times power cut also helps...

kannan infratech
August 22nd, 2012, 10:41 AM
I recently read the short Tamil story " Bonzai Nizhalgal " written by Sembai Muruganandam. This story got first prize in Kalki Sirukathai Potti 2012.

If anybody is subscribing Kalki online, please post this story.

A beautiful narration of the current Education scene in Tamil Nadu.

satchitananda
August 22nd, 2012, 03:46 PM
I don't want to start another debate here, but compared to North Indian's we don't spend much on marriage.

the way divorces are growing in our society (doesnt matter whose fault), we need to focus more on the marriage rather than a wedding.

manikandanb
August 22nd, 2012, 03:49 PM
"பேஸ்புக்'கை சமாளிக்க முடியாமல் "டிவிட்ட'ரில் தஞ்சம் புகுந்த கருணாநிதி
http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=533554

Couldn't control my LOL while reading the below line -
".....டிவிட்டரில் தஞ்சம் புகுந்த கருணாநிதி அங்கேயும் தொடர்ந்து சொதப்பி வருகிறார். டிவிட்டரில் தன்னைத் தானே, "தலைவர் கலைஞர்' என்று கூறி கருணாநிதி, அறிக்கைகள் பதிந்து வருகிறார்...." :lol:

This sort of confirms my initial doubt that some benami started MK's FB & Twitter accounts...could be one of his many many grand/ great grand sons (or) daughters!!

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 05:42 PM
Man held in Bangalore sent messages to 20,000

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/man-held-in-bangalore-sent-messages-to-20-000-probe/991361/

petchiselvam
August 22nd, 2012, 05:52 PM
இரவு நேர மின்வெட்டை ஆரம்பித்துவிட்டார்கள்

petchiselvam
August 22nd, 2012, 06:27 PM
292•02”12•12’42–5 2’42•22”12•12“62”12•02’42“42–5 http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/the-mainstream-maverick/entry/minorities-vs-minorities-the-new-right-wing-game-plan-for-2014

kannan infratech
August 22nd, 2012, 07:16 PM
Cross posted from Chaibar:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94408367&postcount=6363

kongutamizhan
August 22nd, 2012, 08:04 PM
இரவு நேர மின்வெட்டை ஆரம்பித்துவிட்டார்கள்

Why is it a news?

satchitananda
August 22nd, 2012, 08:16 PM
Cross posted from Chaibar:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94408367&postcount=6363

Nice link. They perhaps should have included some of the smaller players as well.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 08:16 PM
292•02”12•12’42–5 2’42•22”12•12“62”12•02’42“42–5 http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/the-mainstream-maverick/entry/minorities-vs-minorities-the-new-right-wing-game-plan-for-2014



Amaresh Misra should work for Fox News. This is like a novel may be because he is also a novelist. How came a writer write like this

"The infiltration in Pune by RSS-ISI-Mossad type elements is well known in Maharashtra police circles."

"But it was impossible to live life with dignity as a member of any minority community"

Are Minorities living a life like Hindus in Pakistan? Does he has any proof to write like. Having a pen and an outlet to publish his bullshit doesn't mean that he can write anything.

This is what happens when a writer doesn't know is identity. So he is saying that 2008 bombing is hand work of BJP? Is he out of his mind? How come he is supporting Naxalite who have killed police personals like Hemant Karkare? How come he is not praising the Inspector who sacrificed his life in Batiala house enounter?

Yea, Hindu outfits did some nasty things, that is not acceptable but when Muslims (including a MP) is warning about larger war for Assam incidents and radicalization, How long will Hindus will be generous and secular? Wont they get radicalized? At one point they have to take the sword. A sword for Sword is not new but still we prefer to follow Gandhi, which is our weak point. if the Amaresh Misra is bold enough to point to a Islamic country/Christian country that gives this much right and preference to its minority population, I will salute him. He should read the history from 1920.

He is happy to hold BJP responsible for 2008 blast and not holding congress responsible for the Sikh killings? What a morale?

Amaresh Misra is an independent historian, author and novelist. Currently resident in Delhi, he is also a freelance journalist, political commentator, columnist on foreign policy, an anti-fascist, civil/minority/Dalit-Adivasi rights activist, and a film critic.

Somebody should help Amaresh Misra to solve his identity crisis. I think this is a sekular (liberal) conspiracy to rule the country for ever..
Accoring to him only Hindus are hate mongers and others are Angles. He is supporting every problem created my Muslims in the wake of Assam riots but not bothered about the damage done by them.


Amaresh Misra Dog Vijay singh oda mama payana?

This is a cheap journalism and only a cheap yellow magazine like Times of India can publish this.

murlee
August 22nd, 2012, 08:18 PM
Cross posted from Chaibar:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94408367&postcount=6363

Interesting..

Do youngsters in US really take up jobs in Indian companies on merit or just as a last resort? What I mean is, do Indian companies have the brand value to attract brighter minds?

logan_square_guy
August 22nd, 2012, 08:28 PM
@murlee

If they ever do, it will be more of a last resort. The ones who do, don't stay long because they will not put up (and rightly so) with the stuff that happens in desi companies

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 08:33 PM
@murlee

If they ever do, it will be more of a last resort. The ones who do, don't stay long because they will not put up (and rightly so) with the stuff that happens in desi companies

Right. For example take Deloitte, they may commit suicide if they work there. But some US companies has different rules and pay slab for American workers like CTS and IBM. The only company that treats both equally and pay equally to my knowledge is Accenture. ( I dont work for them). In IBM if you are from India your notice period is 3 months but if you are a US worker its 2 weeks. In CTS I have seen people working for 55K with 7+ years of exp, (struck there for GC) where as the level US worker getting paid 90+.

satchitananda
August 22nd, 2012, 08:34 PM
Interesting..

Do youngsters in US really take up jobs in Indian companies on merit or just as a last resort? What I mean is, do Indian companies have the brand value to attract brighter minds?

It will be wrong to put them all in one bucket. I have seen quite a few non-Indians even on consultancy companies like Infosys, wipro payroll. But as a percentage, perhaps that will be a small fraction. On the other hand, it was evident from the video that many top positions seem to be held by non-Indians. I would assume, it maybe largely a company culture, rather than a brand.

murlee
August 22nd, 2012, 08:34 PM
Hmm.. Well, thought so.

I remember KT or someone saying that some Indian company stall at University job fair was really empty though they offered good pay package..

satchitananda
August 22nd, 2012, 08:41 PM
I wish if we could place our hands on the names of the companies that were listed as PinPoints on the map. It will give a nice idea on the focus group of industries. That should point in the direction of the brand or its lack of.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 08:42 PM
It will be wrong to put them all in one bucket. I have seen quite a few non-Indians even on consultancy companies like Infosys, wipro payroll. But as a percentage, perhaps that will be a small fraction. On the other hand, it was evident from the video that many top positions seem to be held by non-Indians. I would assume, it maybe largely a company culture, rather than a brand.

If you hava a MBA from a average rated school, getting in to the top position is easy. The problem is we Indians dont go for MBA and our MBA degree is worth less in US.

kongutamizhan
August 22nd, 2012, 08:43 PM
In IBM if you are from India your notice period is 3 months but if you are a US worker its 2 weeks..

Correction, if you are an employee of IBM Global Services in India and get transferred in H1 to work in US for parent company then the notice period is 3 months. I know the rule is weird, but it doesn't come from IBM-US, I think there is some behind the scene agreement between the global services and parent company.

However if you are an employee of parent IBM in US (meaning if you get into IBM directly after you are in US) irrespective of your background notice period is 2 weeks

logan_square_guy
August 22nd, 2012, 08:47 PM
@geico

The trouble with MBA is that it is expensive and there is a lot of upfront investment. My dream was to do an MBA at a top tier school but I could never ever do it because of the upfront costs involved

kongutamizhan
August 22nd, 2012, 08:49 PM
@geico

The trouble with MBA is that it is expensive and there is a lot of upfront investment. My dream was to do an MBA at a top tier school but I could never ever do it because of the upfront costs involved

Easy. Quit the company and join the one that pay for it

logan_square_guy
August 22nd, 2012, 08:54 PM
Are you saying there are companies out there that pay for the entire course?

Also, is a part-time course the same as a full time 2 year course?
Easy. Quit the company and join the one that pay for it

krishnaswamy
August 22nd, 2012, 08:59 PM
Different companies handles different ways.
Offshore folks needs to sign a bond before they travel to onsite.
those folks when they resign, there are quite large issues on both the sides.
"Green card" in u.s and back home, conditions of clean exit...

wlbkng
August 22nd, 2012, 09:08 PM
EO76jrcsGdg

kongutamizhan
August 22nd, 2012, 09:10 PM
Are you saying there are companies out there that pay for the entire course?

Also, is a part-time course the same as a full time 2 year course?

Yep. Accenture, Walmart, several startups and biggies in bay area, Amex they all pay for it as far as I know.

If you are looking in logan square neighbourhood in chitown then Grainger, embanet compss, BP, UBS, Navteq, Fitch are few that does.

logan_square_guy
August 22nd, 2012, 09:22 PM
Thanks KT!

Yep. Accenture, Walmart, several startups and biggies in bay area, Amex they all pay for it as far as I know.

If you are looking in logan square neighbourhood in chitown then Grainger, embanet compss, BP, UBS, Navteq, Fitch are few that does.

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 09:34 PM
Amaresh Misra should work for Fox News. This is like a novel may be because he is also a novelist. How came a writer write like this

"The infiltration in Pune by RSS-ISI-Mossad type elements is well known in Maharashtra police circles."

"But it was impossible to live life with dignity as a member of any minority community"

Are Minorities living a life like Hindus in Pakistan? Does he has any proof to write like. Having a pen and an outlet to publish his bullshit doesn't mean that he can write anything.

This is what happens when a writer doesn't know is identity. So he is saying that 2008 bombing is hand work of BJP? Is he out of his mind? How come he is supporting Naxalite who have killed police personals like Hemant Karkare? How come he is not praising the Inspector who sacrificed his life in Batiala house enounter?

Yea, Hindu outfits did some nasty things, that is not acceptable but when Muslims (including a MP) is warning about larger war for Assam incidents and radicalization, How long will Hindus will be generous and secular? Wont they get radicalized? At one point they have to take the sword. A sword for Sword is not new but still we prefer to follow Gandhi, which is our weak point. if the Amaresh Misra is bold enough to point to a Islamic country/Christian country that gives this much right and preference to its minority population, I will salute him. He should read the history from 1920.

He is happy to hold BJP responsible for 2008 blast and not holding congress responsible for the Sikh killings? What a morale?

Amaresh Misra is an independent historian, author and novelist. Currently resident in Delhi, he is also a freelance journalist, political commentator, columnist on foreign policy, an anti-fascist, civil/minority/Dalit-Adivasi rights activist, and a film critic.

Somebody should help Amaresh Misra to solve his identity crisis. I think this is a sekular (liberal) conspiracy to rule the country for ever..
Accoring to him only Hindus are hate mongers and others are Angles. He is supporting every problem created my Muslims in the wake of Assam riots but not bothered about the damage done by them.


Amaresh Misra Dog Vijay singh oda mama payana?

This is a cheap journalism and only a cheap yellow magazine like Times of India can publish this.

It would be nice if you could suggest who would be fighting on ground with sword with so called radicalized minority. While there no second thought in punishing the Fundamental radicals in any community. Punishment to be on the basis of crime committed not on the basis of religion, caste or creed.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 09:42 PM
Correction, if you are an employee of IBM Global Services in India and get transferred in H1 to work in US for parent company then the notice period is 3 months. I know the rule is weird, but it doesn't come from IBM-US, I think there is some behind the scene agreement between the global services and parent company.

However if you are an employee of parent IBM in US (meaning if you get into IBM directly after you are in US) irrespective of your background notice period is 2 weeks

What ever rule is, when you enter only the US laws applies right? Even in accenture the notice period is 2 months in India but in US it is the same 2 weeks for everyone. The HR of Accenture told that Indian laws and bonds doesnt not apply in US. Forcing a employee to sign a bond is a criminal act.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 09:45 PM
Different companies handles different ways.
Offshore folks needs to sign a bond before they travel to onsite.
those folks when they resign, there are quite large issues on the both sides.

I think that bond is illegal in US. My friend who worked in IGate, had the same bond issue but he quit, served 2 weeks and later served a notice through his lawyer for the exp letter putting a copy to State Attorney. Promptly got the exp letter.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 09:49 PM
Thanks KT!

Even ATT, T-mobile and GS does that.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 09:50 PM
It would be nice if you could suggest who would be fighting on ground with sword with so called radicalized minority. While there no second thought in punishing the Fundamental radicals in any community. Punishment to be on the basis of crime committed not on the basis of religion, caste or creed.

No body will be fighting, only dying as we have seen. What i am saying is this will force majority to go in the same path. That's my point and we have seen some small examples of that.

I agree "Punishment to be on the basis of crime committed " and writers like this guy should not provoke others and be biased.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 09:51 PM
Why this is becoming a common thing in our country or is it given its proper attention recently by the media?

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/eveteasing-shocker-as-callous-cops-watch-stabbed-youth-bleeds-to-death-in-indore/991662/

petchiselvam
August 22nd, 2012, 09:57 PM
Why is it a news?

இரவு நேரங்ளில்(6PM-6AM) இரண்டு மணி நேரம் மட்டுமே தொடர்ச்சியாக கரண்ட் உள்ளது. அடுத்த 1 மணி நேரம் மின்வெட்டு. திருநெலவேலில இருக்கரவங்கலாம் நைட் எப்படி தூங்குறது

satchitananda
August 22nd, 2012, 09:59 PM
Why this is becoming a common thing in our country or is it given its proper attention recently by the media?

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/eveteasing-shocker-as-callous-cops-watch-stabbed-youth-bleeds-to-death-in-indore/991662/

Definitely sad and sadder that such news seem to be on the rise. This is where the hypocrisy in our society comes to the fore. Why should such jerks be tolerated who not only violate a woman's respect, but also can descend to the level of killing or injuring someone who resists their aggression.

This trend has been on the rise for quite some time and demands immediate attention.

krishnaswamy
August 22nd, 2012, 10:00 PM
I think that bond is illegal in US. My friend who worked in xxxx, had the same bond issue but he quit, served 2 weeks and later served a notice through his lawyer for the exp letter putting a copy to State Attorney. Promptly got the exp letter.
neenga sonnathellam than nadanthurukku.nadakathu. Nadakkum.
but not for all. neriya complex cases irukku. ithoda nippatikuvom.

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 10:04 PM
No body will be fighting, only dying as we have seen. What i am saying is this will force majority to go in the same path. That's my point and we have seen some small examples of that.

I agree "Punishment to be on the basis of crime committed " and writers like this guy should not provoke others and be biased.

May be i might have missed some news, Can you please tell me How many people have died in majority community in TN or in India because they were majority? I am not and will never clean chit to minority. And what is your solution to solve all so called issues with minority.

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 10:07 PM
Why this is becoming a common thing in our country or is it given its proper attention recently by the media?

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/eveteasing-shocker-as-callous-cops-watch-stabbed-youth-bleeds-to-death-in-indore/991662/

Please Geico, I watched full case. It was not case it was made out in media. Anuradha Shankar of IG of Indore has tore away Arnab goswami. Bloody media is making sensationalism out of nothing.

I really become fan of Anuradha Shankar What a poise what a patience I have not seen such a great police officer in My life. I am collecting all the background facts of her just to substantiate my claim.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 10:53 PM
May be i might have missed some news, Can you please tell me How many people have died in majority community in TN or in India because they were majority? I am not and will never clean chit to minority. And what is your solution to solve all so called issues with minority.

I dont know why you want the count but if you want you can go by each blast.

My question is why the media is so biased? Why can't they just tell the news instead of throwing their biased opinion? May be its time for a news channel like Fox news in India to counter the sekular left.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 10:55 PM
EO76jrcsGdg

Nice idea, My wishes for their success.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 10:58 PM
Please Geico, I watched full case. It was not case it was made out in media. Anuradha Shankar of IG of Indore has tored away Arnab goswami. Bloody media is making sensationalism out of nothing.

I really become fan Anuradha Shakar What poise what patience I have not seen such a great police officer in My life. I am collecting all the background facts of her just to substantiate my claim.

I am waiting for the result of your mission. Thx in advance.

geico2000
August 22nd, 2012, 11:01 PM
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kongutamizhan
August 22nd, 2012, 11:18 PM
My question is why the media is so biased? Why can't they just tell the news instead of throwing their biased opinion? May be its time for a news channel like Fox news in India to counter the sekular left.

Exactly. Why can't media highlight an act done by any community (in the name of the community) as is? What are they trying to achieve by hiding it, or even worse misinterpreting/linking it to the opposite section? Why talk as if NE rumors are spread by Hindutva groups (or say people who wanted to come to power are spreading it) when the reality is SMS messages had been clearly linked to minority extremist groups? There are evidences for Mumbai riots too, why are they not talking about it?

If they call spade a spade it doesn't mean that they are abusing entire minority community. People are sane enough to understand that the news portray only extremists and not everyone from minority community. But if you mis-interpret, or beat around the bush, or try to hide something that's when people will assume motives. That's when hatred toward extremists turns into a hatred toward religion. This is dangerous.

By reporting or defending things the way they are doing now the media only helps to turn majority of Hindus against Muslims. (and the other way round too, majority of uninformed/innocent muslims may also think that this is a Hindu act which they are trying to blame on muslims). This situation is good for neither. There are sane voices from majority side. Similarly we need more such intellectual voices from minorities side. We need more people like Maulana Wahiduddin Khan or M.J.Akbar. Our secularist media hardly give enough coverage to people like them.

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 11:19 PM
I dont know why you want the count but if you want you can go by each blast.

Terrorist don't fit bill of minority.They don't have any religion they are just brain washed idiots. If you are taking about them well no one is kept alive except two or three. Do want us as a Hindu to stoop to that level.

I will stop here...

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 11:28 PM
I am waiting for the result of your mission. Thx in advance.

Well regarding the case he was stabbed by his own friends may be related known girl issue. That guy and his friends went to their home later came to police station to complain. Ambulance was called meanwhile Poor guy has died.

It is unfortunate case....

jaish
August 22nd, 2012, 11:37 PM
Media has got very great responsibility they have to declare they share holders pattern and allegiance to any religious body.

They should be very careful while reporting pregnant Constable and Higher up Police officer was killed during riots.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 12:57 AM
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CAUTION: Open link with care

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 01:01 AM
Media has got very great responsibility they have to declare they share holders pattern and allegiance to any religious body.

They should be very careful while reporting pregnant Constable and Higher up Police officer was killed during riots.

Can you explain in detail the term "media responsiblity" with respect to

- Shifting blame game to "Hindus" without any pattern
- Reporting "live" terror situation to terrorists
- Reporting military's plans and position "live" at Kargil (Ulaga tholaikaatchigalil mudhal murayaaga, exclusively @ NDTV)

I will go on with more. But hope this gives you the gist with respect to "media responsibility" when it comes to majority.

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 04:10 AM
Terrorist don't fit bill of minority.They don't have any religion they are just brain washed idiots. If you are taking about them well no one is kept alive except two or three. Do want us as a Hindu to stoop to that level.

I will stop here...

This is the same dialogue Bush told and repeated by Obama and other world leaders. After repeating this dialogue you know what they did and are doing. For a stage speech this is really perfect but we live in a world where life is not only at the stage. Reality bites. As somebody said, all .... are not t.... but ...

At any point Hindus wont be like them because for us religion is a part in our life and not the life itself. So I really get angry when stupids like Mishra/Dog vijay singh compare us to them. We say "Emm madamum samadham", for them "Emm Madam mattum samadham". For them he is the one and only god and for us, all are gods and they are equal. This difference is cultivated in to religious hatred in the young minds from the beginning. When this hatred mind gets a chance, it gets diverted easily. That's what we are seeing. So there should be a fundamental change the way they approach the religion which has to come from their elders. There are very few of those gentleman's ans they are easily outnumbered by the hatred group. Just exchange the positions and think what will happen to India? This is one group.

The other group , engages itself in cheap conversion tactics like giving money, promising equality, promising their disease will be cured and their disability will be cured if you pray to him. If that is the case, why the hell we need hospitals? Most of the population near the sea shore has been converted with the promise of higher quality life. But still they are fishing and living the same quality of life. Why they want to disturb a community which is living peacefully and create communal tensions? When I told my US team members about this conversion tactics they felt really sorry for that and felt ashamed because they have been cheated for donations by many churches in the name of religious charity which is basically going toward conversion. Particularly the seventh day Adventist is very popular for this, these are the guys who baptized Gandhi after his death, without the knowledge of Indian government or his family.

Does any of these are highlighted by the so called sekular media. Nope. Why ? Did you notice the pattern of this happening more after Sonia came to the helm?

The NE problem is due to Bangladeshi Muslim illegals, Does any media has the guts to write it, no. For them pin pointing Hindus as the bad guys is more important than pointing fingers to illegals. I am afraid that one day Bharatmata will be reduced to Baby Bharatmata.

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 04:28 AM
Well regarding the case he was stabbed by his own friends may be related known girl issue. That guy and his friends went to their home later came to police station to complain. Ambulance was called meanwhile Poor guy has died.

It is unfortunate case....


Got it, Thanks. If you haven't told I would have believed the big media lie.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 04:42 AM
Terrorist don't fit bill of minority.They don't have any religion they are just brain washed idiots. If you are taking about them well no one is kept alive except two or three. Do want us as a Hindu to stoop to that level.

I will stop here...

Here is another popular version of it.

Terrorists don't have any states. They are non-state actors. Sounds familiar? :)

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 12:18 PM
This is the same dialogue Bush told and repeated by Obama and other world leaders. After repeating this dialogue you know what they did and are doing. For a stage speech this is really perfect but we live in a world where life is not only at the stage. Reality bites. As somebody said, all .... are not t.... but ...

At any point Hindus wont be like them because for us religion is a part in our life and not the life itself. So I really get angry when stupids like Mishra/Dog vijay singh compare us to them. We say "Emm madamum samadham", for them "Emm Madam mattum samadham". For them he is the one and only god and for us, all are gods and they are equal. This difference is cultivated in to religious hatred in the young minds from the beginning. When this hatred mind gets a chance, it gets diverted easily. That's what we are seeing. So there should be a fundamental change the way they approach the religion which has to come from their elders. There are very few of those gentleman's ans they are easily outnumbered by the hatred group. Just exchange the positions and think what will happen to India? This is one group.

The other group , engages itself in cheap conversion tactics like giving money, promising equality, promising their disease will be cured and their disability will be cured if you pray to him. If that is the case, why the hell we need hospitals? Most of the population near the sea shore has been converted with the promise of higher quality life. But still they are fishing and living the same quality of life. Why they want to disturb a community which is living peacefully and create communal tensions? When I told my US team members about this conversion tactics they felt really sorry for that and felt ashamed because they have been cheated for donations by many churches in the name of religious charity which is basically going toward conversion. Particularly the seventh day Adventist is very popular for this, these are the guys who baptized Gandhi after his death, without the knowledge of Indian government or his family.

Does any of these are highlighted by the so called sekular media. Nope. Why ? Did you notice the pattern of this happening more after Sonia came to the helm?

The NE problem is due to Bangladeshi Muslim illegals, Does any media has the guts to write it, no. For them pin pointing Hindus as the bad guys is more important than pointing fingers to illegals. I am afraid that one day Bharatmata will be reduced to Baby Bharatmata.

TN was a melting pot of every culture and revived Hinduism (Bakthi Margam) with out affecting others sentiment that is what we have to do?. Imbibing american culture of phobia for other religion other culture would take us back to 19th century.

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 12:25 PM
Here is another popular version of it.

Terrorists don't have any states. They are non-state actors. Sounds familiar? :)

This is a great example how one would suffer if one uses terrorism as strategical asset.

venkyinblr
August 23rd, 2012, 12:31 PM
Senior Ed Bloom: I don't know if you're aware of this, Josephine, but African parrots, in their native home of the Congo, they speak only French.
Senior Ed Bloom: You're lucky to get four words out of them in English, but if you were to walk through the jungle, you'd hear them speaking the most elaborate French. Those parrots talk about everything. Politics, movies, fashion. Everything but religion.
Will Bloom: Why not religion, Dad?
Senior Ed Bloom: It's rude to talk about religion. You never know who you're gonna offend.
Will Bloom: Josephine actually went to the Congo last year.


A conversation Between a Father and his son from the Movie Big Fish , I got reminded of these lines..(its okay to talk sometime , right guys ? :) )

CLOSE and PEACE :)

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 01:04 PM
Senior Ed Bloom: I don't know if you're aware of this, Josephine, but African parrots, in their native home of the Congo, they speak only French.
Senior Ed Bloom: You're lucky to get four words out of them in English, but if you were to walk through the jungle, you'd hear them speaking the most elaborate French. Those parrots talk about everything. Politics, movies, fashion. Everything but religion.
Will Bloom: Why not religion, Dad?
Senior Ed Bloom: It's rude to talk about religion. You never know who you're gonna offend.
Will Bloom: Josephine actually went to the Congo last year.


A conversation Between a Father and his son from the Movie Big Fish , I got reminded of these lines..(its okay to talk sometime , right guys ? :) )

CLOSE and PEACE :)

I agree I would delete all my post. I really feel bad to talk about that.

venkyinblr
August 23rd, 2012, 01:09 PM
I agree I would delete all my post. I really feel bad to talk about that.

^^I didnt mean that Bro..I just happened to feel the dialogue from the Movie..It may help Me,you,everyone at some point in time..Cheers..:okay:

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 02:05 PM
TN was a melting pot of every culture and revived Hinduism (Bakthi Margam) with out affecting others sentiment that is what we have to do?. Imbibing american culture of phobia for other religion other culture would take us back to 19th century.

What? TN is melting pot for culture and America is phobia? Comedy pannadeegnga sir. US enna middle east nu ninachiteengala?

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 02:16 PM
US middle east nu kandipa ninaiklle. TN and US a pathi pesumpothu Neenga Yan Middle east a Ezhuthinga....

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 02:34 PM
You got it factually wrong. Don't confuse diversity with melting pot. Though at outset they may appear same both are different.

To understand concept of melting pot you truely have to live in US. IMO as it stands today no other country can be called as a melting pot (exception of US)

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 02:42 PM
I understand it is bit difference beating Sardarji's with out knowing that they are from India not From Arabia. Rodney king, Travyon martin were all lived in US only country stands as Melting pot. In UAE and Qatar only less than 8% is local people still they don't have such a paranoid as shown in US to people that are with different colour, creed.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 03:34 PM
^^ A country that want to stand diverse and act as melting pot has to go through all these. No democracy can rope in 100% of their population to align with their laws. You are always going to find some extreme nut cases against it. They are outliers (outlaws) and they are definitely not tolerated.

Back to melting pot culture, the culture even accommodates stupidity. What you saw in Gurudwara case is plainly that. US don't legitimize or discriminate cultures in form of laws like UAE or Qatar. And people like them are neither tolerated. And yes it is in the same US organizations like CAIR are allowed to exploit and create sympathy on themselves for Gurudwara incident. (as if they are impacted)

Travyon Martin case has two sides, but this thread is not the place to discuss.

PS> A country that rejects outside culture with force and the ones that doesn't accommodate outsiders as equals and use them only for slavery / dirty jobs like the blind UAE or Qatar can't be compared with US or India. That's blasphemy on us infedels

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 03:46 PM
PS> A country that rejects outside culture with force and the ones that doesn't accommodate outsiders as equals and use them only for slavery / dirty jobs like the blind UAE or Qatar can't be compared with US or India. That's blasphemy on us infedels

This is your presumption is not based on the fact. Calling all the people here are for slavery/ Dirty job is not correct. Slavery were all practiced in the Land of freedom.

satchitananda
August 23rd, 2012, 03:49 PM
TN was a melting pot of every culture and revived Hinduism (Bakthi Margam) with out affecting others sentiment that is what we have to do?. Imbibing american culture of phobia for other religion other culture would take us back to 19th century.

First of Geico.. :applause: for a good perception which is more closer to reality.

Jaish.. I know the naiveity of your thought proccess. But wish to inform this melting pot and all other accolades painted by media are to only distract the massive underground swell that is happening, especially the way the lower economic strata are systematically targetted for conversion.

I dont want to insult you by saying you are like an ostrich with its head stuck in sand. I am telling that analogy only to highlight your naiveity, with due respect.

It is very common to turn on many channels, where they openly advertise how many millions they are funneling via their individual church alone on conversion, besides it is the stated agenda on many of the churches active on conversion here in US. If you say that our folks are intelligent to handle both economic hit in a family as well as this conversion onslaught, I am here to inform that we do not stand a chance against their systematic scientific onslaught, except if we raise the awareness.

Thats what Geico is alluding to, although he can clarify his points better. So one of the stands is to take a more non docile stand for our religion/culture/traditions.

Bhakti traditions are great, but without proper foundation of knowledge (jnana) and action (karma), it can be easily swept out by money (literally flowing from US like crazy), people's selfish motives, nonstop aggressive mindless chants from pagutharivu vadhis (who simply claim science can give all answers, while not even subjecting themselves to science), etc etc.

But the most key factor being our innate nature as a culture to keep quiet watching others burn. Its a time to revive our traditional values of respecting humanity, relearning the great contributions of our great seers, which science is leaning so heavily upon, be it cosmology and origin or universe or medicine. (Still no one can explain how our folks accumulated so much knowledge about different plants and its diverse uses. If one were to do lab experiments alone, then the last 5000 years alone wont do justice).

I applaud your call for peace, if really true, go and read some basic vedic chants, they talk of peace at universal level. Most Abrahamic religions have multiple verses in their religious texts goading their people to convert others or eliminate the ones who do not follow theirs. SHOW ME ONE SUCH IDEA EXPRESSED IN ANY OF OUR HUNDREDS OF RELIGIOUS TEXTS.

Peace is the way, but to achieve it, we must also be connected to the source, else it will be ephemeral.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 03:52 PM
fly ethihaad. racist treatment is even visible on airport

chennaiyorker
August 23rd, 2012, 04:06 PM
To understand concept of melting pot you truely have to live in US. IMO as it stands today no other country can be called as a melting pot (exception of US)

I guess Toronto and London are as multi-ethnic as NY or LA or Miami. the concept of melting pot, IMO, is relative to immigration and integration/assimilation that is happening at present, which gives the city a new and distinct flavor. If it had happened in the past and not much anymore, the place is simply diverse. In that way, Canada and UK can be considered melting points as well.

Even in the US only major cities like NY, LA, Chicago, Miami, San Fran are melting pots, the rest of country at large is just a salad bowl, IMO.

satchitananda
August 23rd, 2012, 04:19 PM
^^ agreed. But the point was about comparing TN as melting pot akin to US. I think thats miles off. Also there is no need for such a pot as of now. As long as we are a pan Indian melting pot, its fine.

Pot or Pan, spoon or ladle, the bottomline is our traditions and belief systems (not all is wrong, not all needs to be tied to casteism, not all our past was junk) is at RISK.. We have been sold strongly on the idea that we have a shaky past. That used to be our strength. Our antiquity, our deep rooted traditions and wisdom, but now that we dont want to even own it.

Systems that sprang in between be it evils like child marriage or Sati or caste based bias must have to go, but bracketing all our past in the same bucket, shows a sure sign of our short sightedness and foolish approach of being led by few selfish individuals or groups without proper introspection.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 04:31 PM
From Chennai discussions

I never disagreed with this. KT draged Anna in Annachi's topic.
.

Here is the link. அண்ணாவை சீ என்று பார்த்தால் நீங்கள் அண்ணாச்சி (சீ). A politically correct but politically-incorrect statement to make :D

BTW you failed to see that comment in context of which I made. With respect to annachi's contribution I wanted to emphasize that Kamarajar was an annachi too. Anna'm avarai appadi koopitadanaala konjam arasiyal nedi mixing senjen, neenga adha mattum pudichikiteenga.

Anyways that statement of Anna is also a fact

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 04:33 PM
fly ethihaad. racist treatment is even visible on airport

Like what APJ Kalam, Sharukh khan faced in US Aiirline and Airport...

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 04:38 PM
Like what APJ Kalam, Sharukh khan faced in US Aiirline and Airport...

Why compare Abdul Kalam with SRK incident. Dr.Kalam has diplomatic immunity and US made a mistake.

Why is SRK not subject to search? (Especially when it is an issue of national security where FBI has a blacklist on the name as his).

My statement on racism is not related to security, it is the way middle-east airport administration treats westerns/locals vs other so-called third-world countries. In Abu-dhabi the atmosphere just slaps at your face. Especially if you fly down from US, you can visibly compare that terminal with the another where you change flight to Chennai or Mumbai or Kochi

manikandanb
August 23rd, 2012, 04:43 PM
பார்லிமென்ட் நடவடிக்கைகள் குறித்து அறிந்து கொள்ள பாகிஸ்தான் எம்.பிக்கள் 17 பேர் நேற்று, செனட்டர் முகம்மது ஜாகாங்கீர் தலைமையில், வாகா எல்லை வழியாக இந்தியா வந்தனர்!!..:lol:

http://www.dinamalar.com/photogallery_detail.asp?id=31&cat=Album&nid=4772&no=2 7th photo

chennaiyorker
August 23rd, 2012, 04:44 PM
^^ agreed. But the point was about comparing TN as melting pot akin to US. I think thats miles off. Also there is no need for such a pot as of now. As long as we are a pan Indian melting pot, its fine.

Pot or Pan, spoon or ladle, the bottomline is our traditions and belief systems (not all is wrong, not all needs to be tied to casteism, not all our past was junk) is at RISK.. We have been sold strongly on the idea that we have a shaky past. That used to be our strength. Our antiquity, our deep rooted traditions and wisdom, but now that we dont want to even own it.

TN/Chennai has been a melting pot of cultures (at pan Indian level) for a long time and will be in the future as well. I agree it is very very far from US or UK or Canada.

My opinion is that, even if it happens at a global level, whether there is a need or not, that if immigrants from other countries/cultures/religion settle down/live in TN(which is happening at a very marginal%) - I don't think there is a risk and we need to fear that. As long as we are strong with our foundation, it is fine! Our focus should be on strengthening and cleaning (I'm not talking about religion here!) our traditions/customs and not on shunning other cultures away. Our state and cities have plenty of space (not in a spatial sense, but in mind) for other cultures/traditions. Assimilation of other cultures in ours is something that I feel is good. Change - It has happened in the past and it will happen in the future, it's just about how much we get used to it and manage it.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 04:45 PM
பார்லிமென்ட் நடவடிக்கைகள் குறித்து அறிந்து கொள்ள பாகிஸ்தான் எம்.பிக்கள் 17 பேர் நேற்று, செனட்டர் முகம்மது ஜாகாங்கீர் தலைமையில், வாகா எல்லை வழியாக இந்தியா வந்தனர்!!..:lol:

http://www.dinamalar.com/photogallery_detail.asp?id=31&cat=Album&nid=4772&no=2

Andha report than namma sicular media and congress direct'ave anupuvangalae, idhukku edhukku avanga inga varanum.

They are wasting very little money that they have. They can use it purposefully (like training and sending in a terrorist into India). Their core economy (terrorism) is in shambles now. They should be spending time to correct it first, otherwise they may slip in to recession soon.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 04:49 PM
TN/Chennai has been a melting pot of cultures (at pan Indian level) for a long time and will be in the future as well. I agree it is very very far from US or UK or Canada. .

Melting pot is defined as a place where heterogeneous society become more homogeneous. Chennai is no way near that. Can't even dream of becoming one in this generation. May be it's diverse but not melting pot. Your term salad bowl for non-major cities in US is applicable for Chennai.

Idhukku mela naan sonna, enna solla varennu parkaama adhukkagavae pathu peru veliya wait pannuvaanga. So I'll stop here

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 04:56 PM
First of Geico.. :applause: for a good perception which is more closer to reality.

Jaish.. I know the naiveity of your thought proccess. But wish to inform this melting pot and all other accolades painted by media are to only distract the massive underground swell that is happening, especially the way the lower economic strata are systematically targetted for conversion.

I dont want to insult you by saying you are like an ostrich with its head stuck in sand. I am telling that analogy only to highlight your naiveity, with due respect.

It is very common to turn on many channels, where they openly advertise how many millions they are funneling via their individual church alone on conversion, besides it is the stated agenda on many of the churches active on conversion here in US. If you say that our folks are intelligent to handle both economic hit in a family as well as this conversion onslaught, I am here to inform that we do not stand a chance against their systematic scientific onslaught, except if we raise the awareness.

Thats what Geico is alluding to, although he can clarify his points better. So one of the stands is to take a more non docile stand for our religion/culture/traditions.

Bhakti traditions are great, but without proper foundation of knowledge (jnana) and action (karma), it can be easily swept out by money (literally flowing from US like crazy), people's selfish motives, nonstop aggressive mindless chants from pagutharivu vadhis (who simply claim science can give all answers, while not even subjecting themselves to science), etc etc.

But the most key factor being our innate nature as a culture to keep quiet watching others burn. Its a time to revive our traditional values of respecting humanity, relearning the great contributions of our great seers, which science is leaning so heavily upon, be it cosmology and origin or universe or medicine. (Still no one can explain how our folks accumulated so much knowledge about different plants and its diverse uses. If one were to do lab experiments alone, then the last 5000 years alone wont do justice).

I applaud your call for peace, if really true, go and read some basic vedic chants, they talk of peace at universal level. Most Abrahamic religions have multiple verses in their religious texts goading their people to convert others or eliminate the ones who do not follow theirs. SHOW ME ONE SUCH IDEA EXPRESSED IN ANY OF OUR HUNDREDS OF RELIGIOUS TEXTS.

Peace is the way, but to achieve it, we must also be connected to the source, else it will be ephemeral.

Thanks and Thanks for putting that in a clear perspective and adding more. That's is what I was trying to point but could not. My 1-1/2 watched the "Gummy Bear" more than 25 times and he wants to watch it again in bed, while I was trying to type. So want to make it short. Thokathula, "Gummy, Gummy" polabi kittu irndhan :).

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 05:08 PM
Why compare Abdul Kalam with SRK incident. Dr.Kalam has diplomatic immunity and US made a mistake.

Why is SRK not subject to search? (Especially when it is an issue of national security where FBI has a blacklist on the name as his).

My statement on racism is not related to security, it is the way middle-east airport administration treats westerns/locals vs other so-called third-world countries. In Abu-dhabi the atmosphere just slaps at your face. Especially if you fly down from US, you can visibly compare that terminal with the another where you change flight to Chennai or Mumbai or Kochi

If US does something it is a mistake if it is happens in Middle east then it is Design done by government. Great and fair point of view on the world.

Abudhabi airport is done in such a way simply because of economical reason . Linking it with racism is not that fair.

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 05:14 PM
Andha report than namma sicular media and congress direct'ave anupuvangalae, idhukku edhukku avanga inga varanum.

They are wasting very little money that they have. They can use it purposefully (like training and sending in a terrorist into India). Their core economy (terrorism) is in shambles now. They should be spending time to correct it first, otherwise they may slip in to recession soon.

:)

Neenga vera, Parliment bombing last time fail agiduchula, intha time perfect pannurathuku avanga Vevu paka varanga. They will be talking among themselves, Romba nallavangala irukanunga, Evalavu bomb pottalum, summa koncham satham pottu vitta, nammala thirupi kupuranunga..

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 05:16 PM
If US does something it is a mistake if it is happens in Middle east then it is Design done by government. Great and fair point of view on the world.

Abudhabi airport is done in such a way simply because of economical reason . Linking it with racism is not that fair.

I won't compare US with middle east. Can you imagine this scenario in any other Muslim country.

Muslims sitting in front of white house, and shouting "Sharia is the way to go, Implement that and make US a Muslim country". They were doing this for three days.

Even US in not a true secular country (the president and Romney goes to Church backyard to start their campaign) but it's not as bad as Middle east.

What kind of economical reason ? It's is a pathetic airport, I will never travel to that airport again. It's a racist airport . If you board from a US departed aircraft you are treated differently compared to the ones that board there.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 05:20 PM
If US does something it is a mistake if it is happens in Middle east then it is Design done by government. Great and fair point of view on the world.

Abudhabi airport is done in such a way simply because of economical reason . Linking it with racism is not that fair.


New reason for discrimination, economical reason. That too in airport? C'mon you can do better Jaish.

And yes if something happens in 2-3 cases out of 100 then it is mistake. If a system does it then it is by design.

PS> An Afgan friend of mine who is studying in my university says he was never subject to searching like Dr.Kalam or SRK. What do you say about this? Recently (last month) he was offered a job of translator in Department of homeland security. Can something like this happen in middle-east?

chennaiyorker
August 23rd, 2012, 05:24 PM
Melting pot is defined as a place where heterogeneous society become more homogeneous. Chennai is no way near that.

Even NYC is heterogenous. You still have separate neighborhoods specific for Irish, Italians, Korean, Chinese, African Americans and Hispanics. If you go deeper, the hispanics still distinguish themselves as Puerto Ricans and dominicans and have separate neighborhoods. It can't and never will become homogenous in all aspects. Where the homogeneity kicks in is; in the aspect of, "the city belongs to everyone and we are New Yorkers"

In the same way, I could argue (but I will not as I have to leave to meeting now) that Chennai is a melting pot although it has it's differences, it still functions as one, where every one (most, of course there are some nincompoop outliers) feels Chennai belongs to anyone one who wants to call it home, be it tamils, telugus, or marwaris,or keralites or bihari or a person from northeast or some one from korea or japan. they all are Chennaiites!

dpitchai
August 23rd, 2012, 05:27 PM
If US does something it is a mistake if it is happens in Middle east then it is Design done by government. Great and fair point of view on the world.

Abudhabi airport is done in such a way simply because of economical reason . Linking it with racism is not that fair.

In Mid east racism is law. Like I already said, my father in law is in your city for that past 28 years, Doha, he used to say several incidents. When law is different for different people based on color or religion, what is there to comment.

Mansatchi oda pesunga appu...

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 05:28 PM
Like what APJ Kalam, Sharukh khan faced in US Aiirline and Airport...

That is really bad . It's because of fear and you know who is responsible for that fear and its not based on color. Even Visa's for Muslims are taking months in all Consulates and you know the reason for that.

dpitchai
August 23rd, 2012, 05:31 PM
What kind of economical reason ? It's is a pathetic airport, I will never travel to that airport again. It's a racist airport . If you board from a US departed aircraft you are treated differently compared to the ones that board there.

I traveled in Etihad and Abudhabi airport multiple times, never had any issues and for Etihad is best. Just my view.

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 05:36 PM
In Mid east racism is law. Like I already said, my father in law is in your city for that past 28 years, Doha, he used to say several incidents. When law is different for different people based on color or religion, what is there to comment.

Mansatchi oda pesunga appu...

Manasatchiyoda pesuna Mansatchiyoda pesalllam.

dpitchai
August 23rd, 2012, 05:38 PM
Manasatchiyoda pesuna Mansatchiyoda pesalllam.

My father in law couldn't get citizenship or assimilate in that society, had be been in U.S, his family, his brother and sisters family every body might U.S citizen.

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 05:39 PM
My father in law couldn't get citizenship or assimilate in that society, had be been in U.S, his family, his brother and sisters family every body might U.S citizen.

Ask him whether he has paid any tax or has he ever worried about law and order issue.

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 05:39 PM
From Chennai discussions



Here is the link. அண்ணாவை சீ என்று பார்த்தால் நீங்கள் அண்ணாச்சி (சீ). A politically correct but politically-incorrect statement to make :D

BTW you failed to see that comment in context of which I made. With respect to annachi's contribution I wanted to emphasize that Kamarajar was an annachi too. Anna'm avarai appadi koopitadanaala konjam arasiyal nedi mixing senjen, neenga adha mattum pudichikiteenga.

Anyways that statement of Anna is also a fact

Annachi kooda arasiyalla mix panththu thappu illa. Atha onga view lla mix pannathu than thappu. Anna's Death procession was Guinness record . Ungaluku Athaellam partha "chi" mathirithan therium.

dpitchai
August 23rd, 2012, 05:43 PM
Ask him whether he has paid any tax or has he ever worried about law and order issue.

No, you first answer mine without deviating, I would call him and get answer for yours.

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 05:46 PM
New reason for discrimination, economical reason. That too in airport? C'mon you can do better Jaish.

And yes if something happens in 2-3 cases out of 100 then it is mistake. If a system does it then it is by design.

PS> An Afgan friend of mine who is studying in my university says he was never subject to searching like Dr.Kalam or SRK. What do you say about this? Recently (last month) he was offered a job of translator in Department of homeland security. Can something like this happen in middle-east?

What about George Fernandes? How many examples do you want? Common KT you can do better...

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 05:47 PM
Ask him whether he has paid any tax or has he ever worried about law and order issue.

Pasiku Kolanthai alutha sapadu ooteum samathanapaduthalam, illait kolathai sathamae varamavum pannalam..

Also you can ask him, whether he has the religous freedom to worship his God?

dpitchai
August 23rd, 2012, 05:52 PM
Regarding getting citizenship at Qatar:

Your only route to becoming a naturalised citizen is by marriage to a national; even this, however, doesn’t guarantee citizenship, particularly for non-Muslims.

In exceptional circumstances only, Qatar’s ruler might grant citizenship to a foreigner who has provided outstanding service to the state over a number of years. A generous employer might reward a loyal worker who has made a major contribution to the company over many years by providing him with a work and residence permit of indefinite duration. After your retirement, however, the employer would have to be a figure of considerable influence to maintain this gift and satisfy the labour authorities. In this case, you wouldn’t be a citizen, but merely be allowed to remain in the country indefinitely.

Other mid eastern countries have even worse discriminative laws. Racism is law there.

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 05:58 PM
See the warning..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Assam-riots-may-see-third-wave-of-Muslim-radicalisation-Popular-Front-of-India/articleshow/15612995.cms

If this is the case, this

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Over-59000-Kashmiri-Pandits-living-outside-Kashmir-Govt/articleshow/15610252.cms

should have radicalized most of the majority.

Never wonder, if they get radicalized because of this also

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/killer-maj-nidal-hasans-beard-can-be-forcibly-shaved-off-us-court-told/992049/

nonamio
August 23rd, 2012, 06:11 PM
PS> An Afgan friend of mine who is studying in my university

Mr KT did you spill some beans here? :)

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 06:19 PM
Annachi kooda arasiyalla mix panththu thappu illa. Atha onga view lla mix pannathu than thappu. Anna's Death procession was Guinness record . Ungaluku Athaellam partha "chi" mathirithan therium.

adhula enna view irundhichi? Anna appadi sonnarunu than sonnen. Athu view illai, fact

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 06:20 PM
Mr KT did you spill some beans here? :)

OMG personal identification? Which univ are you? (Endha mudhiyor kalvi koodam?) yaruppa nee(nga)? :lol:

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 06:37 PM
I won't compare US with middle east. Can you imagine this scenario in any other Muslim country.

Muslims sitting in front of white house, and shouting "Sharia is the way to go, Implement that and make US a Muslim country". They were doing this for three days.

Even US in not a true secular country (the president and Romney goes to Church backyard to start their campaign) but it's not as bad as Middle east.

What kind of economical reason ? It's is a pathetic airport, I will never travel to that airport again. It's a racist airport . If you board from a US departed aircraft you are treated differently compared to the ones that board there.

Ofcourse one should not compare US with middle east. It is unfair. These people are not occupying any country on the false pretext of WMD, Not using their power to have economical Sanctions in pretext of Nuke bombs, and they have not threatened india like country that they would use Nukes in 1971 war, Only country in world to have used nuclear weapon.

Regarding Racism, Have you forgotten Martin Luther king and its struggle.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 06:44 PM
^^ Pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal. When you hold ME nations superior to US with respect to racism / diversity there ended the debate. It was my fault to start with explanations

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 06:54 PM
Ofcourse one should not compare US with middle east. It is unfair. These people are not occupying any country on the false pretext of WMD, Not using their power to have economical Sanctions in pretext of Nuke bombs, and they have not threatened india like country that they would use Nukes in 1971 war, Only country in world to have used nuclear weapon.

Regarding Racism, Have you forgotten Martin Luther king and its struggle.

Religiona arampichi, Racismku vanthu eppa bomb poda vanthuteengalae? nice trick :)

You are comparing the power of a country with the personal freedom of another country... It is not shame for a country to be without power but its shame for a country for not having personal freedom.

The same country that threatened us came back after some 35 years and want to sign a nuclear deal and took great pain convincing its friends to accept that (without signing the NPT). So we are getting power :)

How many of the world's top companies are from Middle East? How many things they have invented? How many greate Institutions they have? How many research lab do they have? Athuku ellam innovation venum, for innovation freedom is more important. Panam irundha mattum podathu, atha eppadi invest pannalamnu think panna Brain venum. There is a proverb, which I dont want to quote here.
Martin Luther king - At lease US had one, Middle east wont have one or wont allow one to come because they still think that women should not drive and should not watch Soccer.

satchitananda
August 23rd, 2012, 06:56 PM
[QUOTE=kongutamizhan;94439089]^^ Pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal/QUOTE]

moonu kaal discussion aarambikkum bothu, ippo.. kaale ille... :D

Only playing with words on muyal... not anyone(Payal)..

kannan infratech
August 23rd, 2012, 07:00 PM
Inna Pasangala,

Idhukku poi rausu ?

Melting Pot na inna ?

Madisar mami seswan Bry rice thingaradhu.

Annachi pel puri thingaradhu

Madhura mosakkutty cheans pant pottukittu kai illadha banian pottukittu kok kudikkiradhu.

Settu sambar ukku ittaly thottukkaradhu.

dus Puss unu peter viduara ponnunga Kannadikkaran Fry Chicken a kooda neraya thingaradhu

Settu veettu pombalingo thamil serial pakkuradhu.

amrika poittu vandha namma ooru pasango amrika la iruukkaradha nenachu kittu ara trawer pottikittu alambal pannaradhu.

Inna nalla pirinjudha ?

Idha madhiri doutu vandhudhunnu Vaiyi. En dhaba vaa. Sukira explen pannuven.

Sari Varta.

Danks

dpitchai
August 23rd, 2012, 07:02 PM
^^ Pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal. When you hold ME nations superior to US with respect to racism / diversity there ended the debate. It was my fault to start with explanations

My fault too.

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 07:03 PM
US provided a conductive ground for people like Martin Luther King and Rosa park to transform the life of african american community. As geico mentioned iT provides the platform for CAIR to ask for Sharia by shouting slogans in front of white house.

Is it possible in ME? Is it possible in Pak? Is it possible in Indonesia/Malaysia/Turkey? Wait we don't want to shout at them to bring in Hindutva. What I ask for is freedom to practice on one's culture.

With respect to bombing others those countries are involved in gurerilla bombing with pak foot soldiers. All Pak has to do is, show a power point presentation to dubai sheik and voila they get funded for the project

jaish
August 23rd, 2012, 07:21 PM
^^ Pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal. When you hold ME nations superior to US with respect to racism / diversity there ended the debate. It was my fault to start with explanations

Vidung Ennaiyum Middle east defend panna vachitingla... My point learn more about here also. Extremism has started as portraying as victim only slowly it has grown to big proposition. ofcourse now slowly things are changing here too.

I hate to Play the Victim Card. let us not even think for a second as victim in our country.


In Indonesia Mounavirdham carried out Hindu people are respected by others during that time even flights were stopped i heard in Makkal Arangam recently, In Dubai Temple, Gurudwara, Church is there, In Abudhabi only i have first seen Seetha Raman Kalayanam held for 1 week in Sudan Club, Thennakur Swamiji Patha kanikai puja we celebrated for one week. If any body want i will play host see it your self and then decide. Let us allow only one thing in this World that is Humanity. I want my Children to live in this world with out any discrimination, Free to follow any religion with out any hatred.

KT, Dubai shaik is really good person and forward looking please learn more about him..

logan_square_guy
August 23rd, 2012, 07:54 PM
Bit by a snake, a man gets his revenge......here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48764174/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/?__utma=14933801.1315548672.1342444879.1345732650.1345744305.79&__utmb=14933801.1.10.1345744305&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1344891964.62.2.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=orbitz&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=79281172#.UDZtyNZlSyI) is how...

geico2000
August 23rd, 2012, 08:23 PM
Bit by a snake, a man gets his revenge......here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48764174/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/?__utma=14933801.1315548672.1342444879.1345732650.1345744305.79&__utmb=14933801.1.10.1345744305&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1344891964.62.2.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=orbitz&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=79281172#.UDZtyNZlSyI) is how...

Neenga indirecta message enthum sollala illa?

"nothing is too strange to have happened " sombody said and sombody added to their profile :)

satchitananda
August 23rd, 2012, 08:32 PM
Bit by a snake, a man gets his revenge......here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48764174/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/?__utma=14933801.1315548672.1342444879.1345732650.1345744305.79&__utmb=14933801.1.10.1345744305&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1344891964.62.2.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=orbitz&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=79281172#.UDZtyNZlSyI) is how...

Tamizh padam pambe parava illa pola irukku, indha manuzhanoda kovatha patha..

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 09:43 PM
Tale of two incidents

MH government and Patnaik ordered / instructed police on ground not to take action against criminals involved in riots. Patnaik transferred w/promotion. Media calls it action under pressure #Good-riddence

Modi called in army as SG didn't have resource to tackle violence of that scale. Media called it in-action for not calling in army sooner than 3 days between 28th Feb 2002 to 1st Mar 2002 #tortoise #flashback

kongutamizhan
August 23rd, 2012, 11:35 PM
Continuing Periyar aka E.V.Ramaswamy naicker discussion from chennai discussions. I've posted several articles related to 1967 and prior to it before. This is one such that exposes the dravidian movement. It's a real, real pity that we selected this gumbal over the then Congress (which atleast in TN was far better than rest of India. Now over to the article.

It's imperetive that many of the current generation forumers know about this. It is imperetive that the current generation knows about the truth prior to 1967.

http://dondu.blogspot.com/2012/08/blog-post_11.html


திராவிட அரசியலின் தரக்குறைவும் வெட்கம் கெட்டத்தனமும்

ஈவேராமசாமி நாயக்கர் பற்றி நன்கு அறிந்தவர்களில் திமுகவினரே முக்கியமானவர்கள். அவர்கள் இவருடன் முரண்பட்டு நின்ற காலகட்டம் 1949 முதல் 1967 வரை ஆகும். அச்சமயத்தில் இரு தரப்பினரும் எதிர்தரப்பினரின் வண்டவாளத்தை வண்டியில் ஏற்றினர். உதாரணத்துக்கு சமீபக்த்தில் 1962-ல் வெளியான முரசொலி கார்ட்டூன்களை கீழேகாணலாம்.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HbhKocrAduU/UCSQmSrJAAI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/_YYeHvvzwDs/s320/periyar_murasoli-1.jpg

இமேஜ் பெரிதாக இல்லை என குறை நீங்க, கேப்ஷன்களை கீழே மீண்டும் தருகிறேன்.

துணிவிலை உயர்ந்ததேன்?
புலைச்சி எல்லாம் ஜம்பர் போட ஆரம்பிச்சுட்டா அதனாலதான்.

வேலையில்லா திண்டாட்டம் ஏன்?
பள்ளு பறையனுங்க படிக்க ஆரம்பிச்சுட்டானுங்க அதனாலதான்.

அரிசிவிலை உயர்ந்ததேன்?
கள் குடிக்கிற பசங்களெல்லம் சோறு திங்கறாங்க அதனாலதான்.

கார்டு கவர் விலையெல்லாம் உயர்ந்ததேன்?
தபால்காரனெல்லாம் அதிக சம்பளம் வாங்கறானே அதனால்

விபூதி பூசிக்கொள்ளாததேன்?
சந்நிதானம் பூசிக்கோ என்றால் பூசிக் கொள்வேன்.

வெங்கட் சாமிநாதன் அவர்கள் எழுதியதிலிருந்து சில வரிகள்: (http://www.tamilhindu.com/2012/04/dravidian-movement-and-tamil-nadu-a-criticism/)

கிறித்துவ, முகம்மதிய மதத்தினரிடம் நாத்திகம் பேச பயப்படுபவர்களிடம், அவர்களிடம் காணும் ஜாதீய தீண்டாமையைப் பேசப் பயப்படுபவர்களிடம் என்ன நேர்மை இருக்க முடியும்? கக்கூசைக் கழுவ என்றே ஒரு சாதி என்ற இழிநிலைக்கு எதிராக ஏதாவது செய்யவேண்டும் என்று சொன்ன தலித் தலைவரிடம், பெரியார் சொல்கிறார் – “இதுக்கு நீங்களே ஒரு வழி சொல்லுங்க. வேறே யார் செய்வாங்க?”. “பறச்சிகள்ளாம் ரவிக்கை போட ஆரம்பிச்சா துணிப்பஞ்சம் வந்துராதா” என்றாராம் பெரியார்.


காமராசன் ஸ்விஸ் பாங்கில் பணம் சேர்த்து வைத்திருக்கிறான் என்றும் காமராசன் என்ற அழகனின் தோலை உரித்தால் இரண்டு டமாரம் செய்யலாம் என்றும் பேசும் தலைவர்களைக் கொண்டது, கண்ணியம் கட்டுப்பாடு, கடமை என்று கோஷமிடும் கழகம் ஒன்று. 67 தேர்தலில் பத்து லட்சம் பக்தவத்சலம் என்று கோஷமிட்ட தலைவர்களைப் பற்றி இன்று பேசுவதானால் எததனை ஆயிரம் கோடி என்று சொல்லி கோஷமிடவேண்டும்?


கண்ணியம் தான். இது கழகம் ப்ராண்ட் கண்ணியம்.

கீழ்வெண்மணி கொடுமைக்கு எதிர்வினையாக ஈவேரா அவர்கள் கொடுத்த அறிக்கையே அவரது சுயசாதி அபிமானத்தைக் காட்டுகிறது.


"தஞ்சை மாவட்டத்தில் இடதுசாரி கம்யூனிஸ்ட்கள் விவசாய மக்களுக்கு நலன் செய்வதுபோல அவர்களுக்காகப் பாடுபடுவதுபோல ஏழை எளியவர்களின் வாழ்வை உயர்த்துவதுபோல மேடைகளிலே பேசுகிறார்கள். உங்கள் கூலியை உயர்த்துவது, வாழ்வை வளமாக்குவது எங்கள் கட்சியேயாகும் எனக்கூறி விவசாய மக்களை ஏமாற்றி அவர்களை பலிவாங்கிக் கொண்டு வருகிறார்கள். கூலி உயர்வு என்பது ஒரு கட்சியால் ஏற்படுவதல்ல. இதனைத் தொழிலாளர்கள் உணரவேண்டும். நாட்டில் ஏற்படுகின்ற பொருளாதார மாற்றம், விலைவாசி உயர்வு - பற்றாக்குறை இவைகளைக் கொண்டுதான் கூலிகள் உயர்கின்றதே தவிர கட்சிகளால் அல்ல.

தொழிலாளர்கள் தங்களுக்கு கிடைக்கிற பொருளாதாரத்தில் எப்படி வாழவேண்டும் என்பதை கம்யூனிஸ்ட் தோழர்கள் உங்களுக்குக் கூறாமல் நாட்டிலே கலவரத்தையும், புரட்சியையும் ஏற்படுத்தி இன்றைய தினம் வலதானாலும் சரி, இடதானாலும் சரி, அதிதீவிர கம்யூனிஸ்ட்டுகளானாலும் சரி இந்த ஆட்சியினைக் கவிழ்த்துவிட வேண்டுமென்கின்ற முயற்சியில் ஈடுபட்டிருக்கின்றனர். அதற்கு விவசாயத் தோழர்களும் மற்ற தொழிலாள நண்பர்களும் இடம் கொடுக்கக்கூடாது என்று கேட்டுக்கொள்கின்றேன். நாகை தாலுக்காவிலே கலகம் செய்ய தூண்டியது கம்யூனிஸ்ட் கட்சி. அதன் காரணமாக 42 பேர் உயிரிழந்தனர். கம்யூனிஸ்ட் கட்சி நமக்கு ஒத்துழைத்த கட்சி என்று அரசாங்கம் சும்மா இருந்துவிடவில்லை. தேவையான நடவடிக்கையினை மேற்கொண்டிருக்கின்றது.

நாட்டில் அராஜகத்தைத் தூண்டும் பணியில் கம்யூனிஸ்ட் கட்சி மிக தீவிரமாக ஈடுபட்டிருக்கின்றது. இதற்கு இடம்கொடுக்காமல் அரசாங்கம் நடவடிக்கை எடுக்க வேண்டும். கம்யூனிஸ்ட்களின் குறி கீழத்தஞ்சைப் பகுதி பக்கம் திரும்ப இருக்கிறது. இங்குள்ள விவசாயத் தோழர்கள் இங்கு அந்த தீயசக்தி பரவ இடம் கொடுக்கக் கூடாது என்று கேட்டுக்கொள்கின்றேன். இந்த ஆட்சியை பலவீனப்படுத்தக் கம்யூனிஸ்ட் கட்சி ஈடுபட்டுள்ளது. அதற்கு நம்மக்கள் ஆதரவளிக்காமல் இவ்வாட்சிக்கு தங்களின் ஆதரவினைக் கொடுப்பதன் மூலம் இந்த அரசை மேலும் பலம் பொருந்தியதாக்க வேண்டும்.''

அந்த வலைப்பூ இங்கே (http://www.keetru.com/kuthiraiveeran/june06/selvam.php):


ஆக 42 பேர் இறந்ததற்கு அணுவளவேனும் அனுதாபம் கூட இல்லை. கொலை செய்வித்த கோபால கிருஷ்ண நாயுடுவின் பெயரையும் இந்த பலீஜா நாயுடு சொல்லவில்லை. வேறு என்னத்தைத்தான் சொல்ல?

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 12:30 AM
An extensive research article on EVR and Pune pact

http://www.tamilhindu.com/2012/08/did-evr-send-telegram-on-poona-pact/

Periyar and Dalit

http://www.tamilhindu.com/2011/01/periyar-and-dalit/

sshivakumar
August 24th, 2012, 12:40 AM
Inna Pasangala,

Idhukku poi rausu ?

Melting Pot na inna ?

....

naapathu naale mukkal vayasula munda baniya pottukittu photovukku pose kodukarathunu solreenga? ;)

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 02:54 AM
x posting

Rajdeep picks up Arun Jaitley for debate. Well Raj next time try someone of your IQ. Jaitley can be too much for you to handle

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/284971/newsmaker-of-the-day-arun-jaitley.html

inchennai
August 24th, 2012, 03:14 AM
Kongu,

periyaarai patri vimarsikka konjam pakutharivu vendum.
See those messages as sarcasm.

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 04:02 AM
Kongu,

periyaarai patri vimarsikka konjam pakutharivu vendum.
See those messages as sarcasm.

MK madireyea?

Please check Kannan's comment

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94440613&postcount=15286

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 04:06 AM
Inna Pasangala,


amrika poittu vandha namma ooru pasango amrika la iruukkaradha nenachu kittu ara trawer pottikittu alambal pannaradhu.



Danks

Nan illaingo sami...

inchennai
August 24th, 2012, 04:38 AM
MK madireyea?

Please check Kannan's comment

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94440613&postcount=15286

Yes, MK, Chidamabaram and recently our Beni Prasad varma... who talked about their govt's achievements.. and Its Periyaar's style.

Periyaar is a history like Ambedkar who voiced against caste and caste names, because of them, some classes achieved their self respect or else some araivekkaadus would still be calling them low births or born out of bad karma and such nonsense and still use them and live out of their hard work.

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 04:47 AM
Yes, MK, Chidamabaram and recently our Beni Prasad varma... who talked about their govt's achievements.. and Its Periyaar's style.

Periyaar is a history like Ambedkar who voiced against caste and caste names, because of them, some classes achieved their self respect or else some araivekkaadus would still be calling them low births or born out of bad karma and such nonsense and still use them and live out of their hard work.


You were talking about something called "Pagutharivu" right?

kannan infratech
August 24th, 2012, 09:26 AM
naapathu naale mukkal vayasula munda baniya pottukittu photovukku pose kodukarathunu solreenga? ;)

:rofl:

Correction... Correction...

Ippo Napathu Ombothe Mukkal vayasu . October la Aimbathai thoduven.

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 11:00 AM
It is very good to Subbu's face today? As usual he is attaching motives SC judgement?

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 11:00 AM
@KT,Rapramuser,

All whatever you are saying were said umpteen times, try something new like other forumer.

Kannan sir,

Why is they behaved like puching bag, Is it because of they realized their mistake or because of their mistreatment no body else even supported them.

Maninatrajan,

Kanchi Periava, Kanch Periava nu Solrala Avaru ethula periyavar....


I know very well i will be banned for this, what else one can expect from onesided forum.

venkatm
August 24th, 2012, 01:05 PM
periava = elder Sankaracharya, also elder in spirituality. There are usually 2 or 3 in Kanchi. It is title for the Sankaracharya who passed away sometime in the 90's

kannan infratech
August 24th, 2012, 01:31 PM
Kannan sir,

Why is they behaved like puching bag, Is it because of they realized their mistake or because of their mistreatment no body else even supported them.

.

A community which is less than 2 - 3 % is the true Minority Right ?

Due to the genetic evolution, Brahmins are less of a warring community as others (which has changed quite a lot now). Doing activities - More of using Brain & less of Body.

First you have not understood that still the other communities are following casteism and not Brahmins.

Brahmins being vegetarians (predominantly, I should say now) can not stand Non Veg Foods nearby. So they prefer Veg people as neighbours. That is their individual choice.

My mother vomits when ever she comes across Fish vendors in our street since she is allergic to the fish / non veg smell. So we always say that our tenant should be a vegetarian. This will avoid daily / weekly fish / non veg smell in our house. What is wrong in that ? We get very low rent compared to our neighbours due to this fact but we are okay with that.

If you extend the same logic, then we should not see merit / social behaviour (to suit the job requirements) of our employees while selecting and go by reservation policy since their forefathers were discriminated. How long one can survive in business if you follow that ?

I have also mentioned a specific case wrt a dalit student in TN Edu thread. Please read that.

As I said, please read more esp opposing POVs. You need not accept them. But they will open up your conditioned exposure.

This is my sincere advice.

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 01:49 PM
I am not rigid . Many thanks for your patience clarification. One should not base their opinion on one or two bad incident that happened to him/her. I would heed your advice

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 03:21 PM
inga irukara jaish post lam padikum podhu enaku indha dialogue dhan nyabagam vandhudhu

http://splicd.com/GTHX_TG-v5Y/1491/1496

:jk:

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 03:32 PM
@KT,Rapramuser,

All whatever you are saying were said umpteen times, try something new like other forumer.

Kannan sir,

Why is they behaved like puching bag, Is it because of they realized their mistake or because of their mistreatment no body else even supported them.

Maninatrajan,

Kanchi Periava, Kanch Periava nu Solrala Avaru ethula periyavar....


I know very well i will be banned for this, what else one can expect from onesided forum.

Enga, koncham referencea podunga, I was searching for which you have replied then found it in the Chennai discussion thread.

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 03:32 PM
i could not see that video as it is not allowed here due to copy rights issue. can you please take pain to say what it is?

satchitananda
August 24th, 2012, 03:43 PM
@KT,Rapramuser,

All whatever you are saying were said umpteen times, try something new like other forumer.

Kannan sir,

Why is they behaved like puching bag, Is it because of they realized their mistake or because of their mistreatment no body else even supported them.

Maninatrajan,

Kanchi Periava, Kanch Periava nu Solrala Avaru ethula periyavar....

I know very well i will be banned for this, what else one can expect from onesided forum.


This one line exposes your real intent and your attitude. If you are acting that ignorant that you dont know about Kanchi Periyava or his reason for being revered, then you need a real head check up.

He was the one who initiated about the entry of everyone into the temple, long before the dumbo you are worshipping.

If you really get a chance go and youtube the story of his life and see his social contributions, for which alone he is very venerable. You do not have to bring his other dimensions like a sage or spiritual leader. He has done more reforms in the most conservative sections of the society than you can even put your imaginations on.

Go and see how lives of Paul Brunton was guided by him when he directed him to Ramana.

If you are ignorant, then there are several resources to help. If you are feigning ignorance, then you are at your own wit's end.

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 03:52 PM
I am from Kanchi. i never talked about Chandrasekhara Swamigal but Talking about Jayendrar Saraswathigal.

How come you assumed that i am ignorant and jumped into conclusion without knowing anything. You should know everything about calling somebody dumbo. Any way I will check up head also as you have advised.

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 03:53 PM
i could not see that video as it is not allowed here due to copy rights issue. can you please take pain to say what it is?

just a sarcastic take on your posts on the recent topics so far... equivalent of what satchi said here
If you are feigning ignorance, then you are at your own wit's end

if atleast youtube is allowed there.. then watch this video from 24:50 to 24:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTHX_TG-v5Y

kannan infratech
August 24th, 2012, 03:58 PM
Thanks to Jaish, I had an opportunity to explain certain things which were considered as taboo nor it was discussed in a cordial atmosphere. :)

It looks as if I have monopolised the TNAA & CD threads. Sorry.

I take this opportunity to request our SSC friends.

Most of us are commenting for or against reservations. But all of us agree on one point ie Quality Education to deserving candidates irrespective of castes.
This may one day lead to a caste less society.

Please educate deserving poor candidates. You can do thro many options. You can help your house maid's kids (or your parent's), your driver / employee's kids, thro your school, through NGOs.

I will narrate my experience to explain the same. I have formed a group with my classmates & friends.

In our Srivilliputtur School:
Through Old Boys Association, we have installed very modern lab (Phy, Chem, Bilogy & Maths & English) equipments (Best in South TN). This facility is being utilised by schools in nearby villages also as they do not have lab facilities.
Recently an AC computer lab has been added. Used Computers, Laptops, Printers were donated.

You always have a stronger bond with your school. So it is easier to help.


Identification of Deserving Students:
I have requested my school classmates who have settled in Srivilliputtur to interact with the HMs of the schools nearby and collect the lists of poor students with good potential to excel (from 8th & 9th stds). Then the list is scrutinised and personal interviews are done to short list the most deserving students. (Based on the budget available).

Then all their fees are paid. Books & Notebooks & accessories are provided. If needed, special coaching / tuition is organised.

After 10th, based on their performance, few are selected for special coaching for IIT/ AIEEE / AIPMTetc. Rest get the aid but continue in SVPR school. The chosen few are then shifted to Chennai to a suitable boarding school where IIT / AIEEE / AIPMT coaching is given.

Even though this year nobody could get into IIT, last year 3 guys made it to the extended list of IITJEE. This year 7 guys made to AIEEE colleges and last year 16 guys made it. No medical so far. The rest all got into good engg colleges.

We managed to get them scholarship from Govt / Pvt institutions for their BE degree also. One guy, I am personally sponsoring.(4 years).

We are restricting Girl students only upto 12th as Hostel is still a taboo for many. This year one girl got admission in Madurai Agri College and another in Krishnan Koil Kalasalingam Engg college.

We give preference to Dalit students as they deserve the most. We also look at poor but deserving from forward communities but when there is a tie, it is Dalit student.

I am AGAINST reservation. in College admissions and exployments.

But I want to elevate them academically so that they qualify through merit and not by reservation.

Our sister company Emerge Learning conducts Special courses on Soft Skills for better employability for Dalit & Backward students. With this kind of training, they can claim jobs as rightfully as others do and not through the reservation route.

Please note that I am not bragging about myself here.

I want you guys to do similar things instead of simply arguing over internet sitting in AC rooms.

You educate one child and the whole family / siblings will get educated. A whole colony / village / community will get benefited.

I forgot one important point.

We ask all the students who are getting our Aid to write an undertaking in Rs. 20 stamp paper. One copy for them and another for us.

" I WILL HELP AT LEAST ONE POOR DESERVING STUDENT TO GET EDUCATED AFTER I START EARNING REGULAR SALARY "

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 03:58 PM
periava = elder Sankaracharya, also elder in spirituality. There are usually 2 or 3 in Kanchi. It is title for the Sankaracharya who passed away sometime in the 90's

Actually adhu apdi dhan irundhadhu.. but now a days.. jayendarar is called periyava and chandrasekharanda as mahaperiyava...

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 04:07 PM
kudos Kannan sir... truly a story to be shared... I do the same but on a scale that's affordable to me... now that I have considerable savings planning to institute an award/scholarship through my school on my father's name for a deserving economically poor student irrespective of caste... and urging my fellow mates settled abroad to do the same..

Cosmicbliss
August 24th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Melting pot is defined as a place where heterogeneous society become more homogeneous. Chennai is no way near that. Can't even dream of becoming one in this generation. May be it's diverse but not melting pot. Your term salad bowl for non-major cities in US is applicable for Chennai.

Idhukku mela naan sonna, enna solla varennu parkaama adhukkagavae pathu peru veliya wait pannuvaanga. So I'll stop here

Chennai is not even as cosmpolitan as Delhi or Bangalore. :) While it has many good points, being cosmpolitan is certainly not one of them. IMHO, it is the least cosmpolitan and most dominated by one community of all major cities in India. It is a largely Tamil city with a small but growing non-Tamizh presence as well. Real test for a city's cosmpolitan or not is whether non-locals say it is cosmpolitan. Be proud of Chennai's culture, unpretentiousness, music season, The Hindu with its impeccable tradition of journalism. But relative to even Kolkata, I think it is not that cosmpolitan. :)

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Actually adhu apdi dhan irundhadhu.. but now a days.. jayendarar is called periyava and chandrasekharanda as mahaperiyava...

Please tell this to Sach he presumed that I am ignorant about that...

PremChn
August 24th, 2012, 04:25 PM
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wlbkng
August 24th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Chennai is not even as cosmpolitan as Delhi or Bangalore. :) While it has many good points, being cosmpolitan is certainly not one of them. IMHO, it is the least cosmpolitan and most dominated by one community of all major cities in India. It is a largely Tamil city with a small but growing non-Tamizh presence as well. Real test for a city's cosmpolitan or not is whether non-locals say it is cosmpolitan. Be proud of Chennai's culture, unpretentiousness, music season, The Hindu with its impeccable tradition of journalism. But relative to even Kolkata, I think it is not that cosmpolitan. :)

+1.

What is the craze of being 'Cosmopolitan'? In Tokyo majority are Japanese, but it did not stop anyone from enjoying there.

Most of the those anti-chennai people are just who are hating Chennai as they can't speak their regional language here. Atleast Chennai did not lose that like the other metropolis did. If any one can read this, they can, to an extent speak in English as well - and speak that to live here I say!

It is also because someone already have a hatred towards Chennai as they could not cope with the city or/and it's people. It is their own personal problem not the city's. Most of them dont even think beyond other's stereotypes (or their brains cant function beyond that).

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 04:44 PM
Chennai is not even as cosmpolitan as Delhi or Bangalore. :) While it has many good points, being cosmpolitan is certainly not one of them. IMHO, it is the least cosmpolitan and most dominated by one community of all major cities in India. It is a largely Tamil city with a small but growing non-Tamizh presence as well. Real test for a city's cosmpolitan or not is whether non-locals say it is cosmpolitan. Be proud of Chennai's culture, unpretentiousness, music season, The Hindu with its impeccable tradition of journalism. But relative to even Kolkata, I think it is not that cosmpolitan. :)

Well the beauty of Chennai (or rather Tamil Nadu) is most of the communities have imbibed the local culture and mixed with the local population. Sample this, Tamil Nadu's first cricketer of repute was A.G Ram Singh. Famous personalities from many walks of life are not native tamils, but settlers that have mixed with the locals. Marwaris, Punjabis, Gujaratis, Bengalis, Saurashtrians, Anglo-Indians, Telugus, Kannadigas are all there in large numbers interspersed with the locals, so you don't really get to see the difference unless you hear them speaking in their original tongue with their family :)

So looks like based on your observation there is more of cultural assimilation here than multiculturalism which is a good thing really :)

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Please tell this to Sach he presumed that I am ignorant about that...

Whichever periyava you are referring too doesn't matter.. the service that kanchi mutt has done through its seers is much more than the controversies it has attracted (recently..)

Jayendrar for all the flak he is receiving has done a lot of things for the poor and downtrodden for which too there are as much references available on the net as the ones demeaning him and the mutt...

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Chennai is not even as cosmpolitan as Delhi or Bangalore. :) While it has many good points, being cosmpolitan is certainly not one of them. IMHO, it is the least cosmpolitan and most dominated by one community of all major cities in India. It is a largely Tamil city with a small but growing non-Tamizh presence as well. Real test for a city's cosmpolitan or not is whether non-locals say it is cosmpolitan. Be proud of Chennai's culture, unpretentiousness, music season, The Hindu with its impeccable tradition of journalism. But relative to even Kolkata, I think it is not that cosmpolitan. :)

Sometimes I feel CBE is more cosmopolitan than Chennai #Start this week ranakalam

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Self Deleted....

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Thanks to Jaish, I had an opportunity to explain certain things which were considered as taboo nor it was discussed in a cordial atmosphere. :)

It looks as if I have monopolised the TNAA & CD threads. Sorry.

I take this opportunity to request our SSC friends.

Most of us are commenting for or against reservations. But all of us agree on one point ie Quality Education to deserving candidates irrespective of castes.
This may one day lead to a caste less society.

Please educate deserving poor candidates. You can do thro many options. You can help your house maid's kids (or your parent's), your driver / employee's kids, thro your school, through NGOs.

I will narrate my experience to explain the same. I have formed a group with my classmates & friends.

In our Srivilliputtur School:
Through Old Boys Association, we have installed very modern lab (Phy, Chem, Bilogy & Maths & English) equipments (Best in South TN). This facility is being utilised by schools in nearby villages also as they do not have lab facilities.
Recently an AC computer lab has been added. Used Computers, Laptops, Printers were donated.

You always have a stronger bond with your school. So it is easier to help.


Identification of Deserving Students:
I have requested my school classmates who have settled in Srivilliputtur to interact with the HMs of the schools nearby and collect the lists of poor students with good potential to excel (from 8th & 9th stds). Then the list is scrutinised and personal interviews are done to short list the most deserving students. (Based on the budget available).

Then all their fees are paid. Books & Notebooks & accessories are provided. If needed, special coaching / tuition is organised.

After 10th, based on their performance, few are selected for special coaching for IIT/ AIEEE / AIPMTetc. Rest get the aid but continue in SVPR school. The chosen few are then shifted to Chennai to a suitable boarding school where IIT / AIEEE / AIPMT coaching is given.

Even though this year nobody could get into IIT, last year 3 guys made it to the extended list of IITJEE. This year 7 guys made to AIEEE colleges and last year 16 guys made it. No medical so far. The rest all got into good engg colleges.

We managed to get them scholarship from Govt / Pvt institutions for their BE degree also. One guy, I am personally sponsoring.(4 years).

We are restricting Girl students only upto 12th as Hostel is still a taboo for many. This year one girl got admission in Madurai Agri College and another in Krishnan Koil Kalasalingam Engg college.

We give preference to Dalit students as they deserve the most. We also look at poor but deserving from forward communities but when there is a tie, it is Dalit student.

I am AGAINST reservation. in College admissions and exployments.

But I want to elevate them academically so that they qualify through merit and not by reservation.

Our sister company Emerge Learning conducts Special courses on Soft Skills for better employability for Dalit & Backward students. With this kind of training, they can claim jobs as rightfully as others do and not through the reservation route.

Please note that I am not bragging about myself here.

I want you guys to do similar things instead of simply arguing over internet sitting in AC rooms.

You educate one child and the whole family / siblings will get educated. A whole colony / village / community will get benefited.

I forgot one important point.

We ask all the students who are getting our Aid to write an undertaking in Rs. 20 stamp paper. One copy for them and another for us.

" I WILL HELP AT LEAST ONE POOR DESERVING STUDENT TO GET EDUCATED AFTER I START EARNING REGULAR SALARY "


Hats off Kannan. :applause:

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 05:02 PM
Sometimes I feel CBE is more cosmopolitan than Chennai #Start this week ranakalam

Even I felt the same when studying there.. idhula enna ranakalam iruku... But CBE has dominant population of telugus, malayalis but others I doubt...

But romba naala enaku oru doubt.. can we say that different communities are living in harmony or just that we are tolerant (than other parts of the country?) !!

satchitananda
August 24th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Sometimes I feel CBE is more cosmopolitan than Chennai #Start this week ranakalam

KT sir, neenga sonna sariya thaan irukkum..

(pours a bucket of water on the sivakasi (CBE) vedi of KT.. busvanam...)

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 05:17 PM
Even I felt the same when studying there.. idhula enna ranakalam iruku... But CBE has dominant population of telugus, malayalis but others I doubt...

But romba naala enaku oru doubt.. can we say that different communities are living in harmony or just that we are tolerant (than other parts of the country?) !!


Has significant Gujarati, Maarwari population too. Gemini Kiran maadiri ungalukku edhuvum maatirukkum. Ippadi vishayam theriyaama miss panniteengalae :(

Plus Telugus of Coimbatore (whether naidus or brahmins) who form significant number in the city became more homogenous to the city too. Especially Telugu speaking naidu community's contribution to the city is immense. So does the NI population. They too became homogenized society (unlike having a seperate sowkarpet like identity)

Same can be said about few malayalees too. Palghat brahmins in the city are more homogenized (??) than the rest of the Keralite population.

At the rate of homogenization we may even soon support same-sex relationships in future :D

(pours a bucket of water on the sivakasi (CBE) vedi of KT.. busvanam...)

ippadi buss aakiteengalae. summa viduvama, idho adutha vedi ready.

Based on my explanation above Chennai is a salad bowl, but CBE is one step ahead #melting-pot.

Ippa enna pannuveenga? :banana:

wlbkng
August 24th, 2012, 05:25 PM
I am just curious to know, if folks from India in SSC here who are currently residing in US has guns (as the gun can purchased without license in US) and have any of you have ever used it?

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 05:28 PM
I am just curious to know, if folks from India in SSC here who are currently residing in US has guns (as the gun can purchased without license in US) and have any of you have ever used it?

I am seriously giving it a thought. My wife is resisting it

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 05:29 PM
^^ Add to it the badugas / kannada population too

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 05:31 PM
Has significant Gujarati, Maarwari population too. Gemini Kiran maadiri ungalukku edhuvum maatirukkum. Ippadi vishayam theriyaama miss panniteengalae :(

:

Adhuku nan deemed university la padichrukanum... en college la ellarum padikara ponnungala vandhutanga... onnum amayala :ohno:

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 05:32 PM
I am just curious to know, if folks from India in SSC here who are currently residing in US has guns (as the gun can purchased without license in US) and have any of you have ever used it?

one of the main reasons I didn't want to pursue my higher study in the US is this fear of freakish gunmen (may be too much)

But when I told this to my counterpart in UK, she told me you are most likely to be killed in a road accident in India than a gunman in the US :lol:

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 05:33 PM
+1.

What is the craze of being 'Cosmopolitan'? In Tokyo majority are Japanese, but it did not stop anyone from enjoying there.

Most of the those anti-chennai people are just who are hating Chennai as they can't speak their regional language here. Atleast Chennai did not lose that like the other metropolis did. If any one can read this, they can, to an extent speak in English as well - and speak that to live here I say!

It is also because someone already have a hatred towards Chennai as they could not cope with the city or/and it's people. It is their own personal problem not the city's. Most of them dont even think beyond other's stereotypes (or their brains cant function beyond that).

Ennanga 'Cosmopolitan'?. I went to Delhi and I don't know Hindi. You know I had really tough time there for a week. I felt sorry for not learning Hindi for the first time in life. I have many friends from other states who have visited/live in Chennai and don't complain so much as they can converse in English.

My wife was there for a week and she faced the same problem.

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sometimes I feel CBE is more cosmopolitan than Chennai #Start this week ranakalam

Yes you are right. I studied there and have lot of relatives there.

nonamio
August 24th, 2012, 05:38 PM
CBE has a sizable Sikh community. I have seen huge processions during Gurnanak day in main road. There is a bid guruwar very close to my house. i had few sikh nighbours, one young sardar was part our gang in my teens.

There us Gujarathi samaj bavan and Rajasthani sangam.

There are streets where electrical items are sold 90% owned and run by NI communities (i think mostly Gujju)

Needless to talk abt Keralite and Telugus they are omnipresent in the city.!

logan_square_guy
August 24th, 2012, 05:42 PM
I or none of my friends own a gun. I do know people who go to a shooting range. They tell me it gives them an incredible high. The kind of high that is unmatched by doing any other activity. In the words of one: "It helps you get s*** out"...... :)

I am just curious to know, if folks from India in SSC here who are currently residing in US has guns (as the gun can purchased without license in US) and have any of you have ever used it?

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 05:43 PM
I am just curious to know, if folks from India in SSC here who are currently residing in US has guns (as the gun can purchased without license in US) and have any of you have ever used it?

I have one. Temporary bachelora irundhanala, enna panurathunu theriyala.So went to shooting class and bought one. It was pretty easy to get the gun then getting the DL. They didn't even ask for my DL or SSN. I bought it in a gun fair in Pittsburgh and in the next 3 days saw a report in MSNBC, how guns can be purchased with any identity.

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 05:44 PM
I or none of my friends own a gun. I do know people who go to a shooting range. They tell me it gives them an incredible high. The kind of high that is unmatched by doing any other activity. In the words of one: "It helps you get s*** out"...... :)

I didn't feel like that but some(White Americans) felt the same way. The problem for them is girlfriend/wife/loneliness/hatered etc. So its a letting point for them. The introduction class, after you join NRA also gives you that feeling.

logan_square_guy
August 24th, 2012, 05:45 PM
Btw, some of the usual suspects have been missing from the forum for the past couple of days. Am i the only one here who thinks it has been a little drab and slow.....:)

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 05:46 PM
I thought PA requires them. Is it based on residence? Which state? TX?

Yes, went for office work and went for a shooting range. For some reasons, guns are cheaper in gun fair than in shops. I bought the gun in Pittsburgh. In Gun fair no laws are followed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g7IxlAHEo

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 05:46 PM
They didn't even ask for my DL or SSN. I bought it in a gun fair in Pittsburgh and in the next 3 days saw a report in MSNBC, how guns can be purchased with any identity.

I thought PA laws require them. Is it based on residence address? Which state? TX?

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Yes, went for office work and went for a shooting range. For some reasons, guns are cheaper in gun fair than in shops.

Can you PM me with details please? I am considering too.

natarajan1986
August 24th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Whichever periyava you are referring too doesn't matter.. the service that kanchi mutt has done through its seers is much more than the controversies it has attracted (recently..)

Jayendrar for all the flak he is receiving has done a lot of things for the poor and downtrodden for which too there are as much references available on the net as the ones demeaning him and the mutt...

But one thing am damn sure if those periyava arrested by MK then there will
be lot of protest in media by you people but unfortunately periyava got arrested
by mega periyava so people remained calm :lol:

logan_square_guy
August 24th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Guys, have a question. Can only people belonging to only one community become temple priests or anybody can?

What are the rules that govern the appointment of these priests...

wlbkng
August 24th, 2012, 06:00 PM
I or none of my friends own a gun. I do know people who go to a shooting range. They tell me it gives them an incredible high. The kind of high that is unmatched by doing any other activity. In the words of one: "It helps you get s*** out"...... :)



i go to clay shooting now n then but its heavier than hand guns. but it gave me a sort of adrenaline rush while shooting..

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Can you PM me with details please? I am considering too.

Think before you buy. Now I am afraid whether my kids may touch it. Also now I want to take it if I hear any noise in my house. Do I really want to kill/hurt somebody? I don't know.

Just search for the nearest shooting range in ur locality, visit them, register for a course that would cost around $100 - $200 based on the training you choose. Register with NRA. You are done. Just talk with the guys there and they may sell you a gun or visit a gun fair. You will be able to buy on easily or as usual our Walmart is there. Send me a PM if you want more details.

iaafosc
August 24th, 2012, 06:13 PM
Based on my explanation above Chennai is a salad bowl, but CBE is one step ahead #melting-pot.



I beg to differ KT....let me give an example of my class in Chennai ....i studied in a decent CBSE school in Chennai ..let me give you an idea of the
multi-linguistic nature of my class...

there were about 45 people in my class in 12th standard ....

it's been a while since school, but as far as i can recollect, these are the mother tongues of my fellow class mates....

10 Tamil
8 Malayalam
8 Hindi (mostly sindhi and marwari )
7 Telugu
6 Gujarati
3-4 Kannada
1 Oriya
1 English ( Anglo-indian )

So i feel chennai is as much of a salad bowl/melting pot/mixed fruit jam:lol: or whatever you wish to call it..

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 06:17 PM
I beg to differ KT....let me give an example of my class in Chennai ....i studied in a decent CBSE school in Chennai ..let me give you an idea of the
multi-linguistic nature of my class...

there were about 45 people in my class in 12th standard ....

it's been a while since school, but as far as i can recollect, these are the mother tongues of my fellow class mates....

10 Tamil
8 Malayalam
8 Hindi (mostly sindhi and marwari )
7 Telugu
6 Gujarati
3-4 Kannada
1 Oriya
1 English ( Anglo-indian )

So i feel chennai is as much of a salad bowl/melting pot/mixed fruit jam:lol: or whatever you wish to call it..

Oru class vachi ippadi sollitenga. You have to live in both places for some years and you will realize. The ratio of other State people is kovai is more compared to chennai and the ratio of high income people is also high.

iaafosc
August 24th, 2012, 06:27 PM
Oru class vachi ippadi sollitenga. You have to live in both places for some years and you will realize. The ratio of other State people is kovai is more compared to chennai and the ratio of high income people is also high.

hmm....maybe...i've not visted coimbatore...so i am not in a position to comment...:)

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 06:31 PM
hmm....maybe...i've not visted coimbatore...so i am not in a position to comment...:)

ennaba idhu ellarum ippadi jaga vangureenga. yaarum sandaikku varaliya? bad weekend :(

logan_square_guy
August 24th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Like I said, we are missing the usual suspects....not everyone has the skill :lol:

ennaba idhu ellarum ippadi jaga vangureenga. yaarum sandaikku varaliya? bad weekend :(

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 06:49 PM
Like I said, we are missing the usual suspects....not everyone has the skill :lol:

nalla dhane poikitu iruku.. pavam kannan sir indha weekend avadhu rest edukatum :cheers:

satchitananda
August 24th, 2012, 06:50 PM
ennaba idhu ellarum ippadi jaga vangureenga. yaarum sandaikku varaliya? bad weekend :(

pesama namma vadhiyaar (MGR) padathla varra madhiri, neengala rendu vesham katti sanda podungalen.. supera irukkum...

Viraivil Double action hero-anti-hero vedathil.. KT... velli thirayil kanga.. sorry SSC arangathil...

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Like I said, we are missing the usual suspects....not everyone has the skill :lol:

If you say some contrary view, You people will be done with archanai like

Naive, Not reading much books, Parsuraman will come cut your head, Narasimha will come and put you on the thresh hold, Go and Check your head.

Nan Vera Enga vitu vasala konjam perisu panna sollitaen Atleast sava pogabothu nimmathi a sagalamnu.
Enna onnu Enga savarthuku pathilla Sonda mannla setha nallathu.

Our Guns are down. Very brilliant, Intelligent people says something why have to oppose...

nonamio
August 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
May be those usual suspects already know its a loosing battle... :)

logan_square_guy
August 24th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Alright guys, time for some serious stuff.....here is a one man's experience in an Indian prison. It's slightly longish, but a great read nonetheless.

Here (http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/prison-diaries) it is....:(

jaish
August 24th, 2012, 07:01 PM
May be those usual suspects already know its a loosing battle... :)

who has lost against whom by won by whom and What was the battle..

iaafosc
August 24th, 2012, 07:04 PM
ok ok ok ......guys...i want to know how many taluks and blocks are there in Tamil Nadu ...can anybody help me out with reliable links.......i am getting contradicting info on different websites...:)

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 07:06 PM
ok ok ok ......guys...i want to know how many taluks and blocks are there in Tamil Nadu ...can anybody help me out with a reliable links.......i am getting contradicting info on different websites...:)

TN na appa appa b'day cake vettura madri thundu pottu kittu irundha, eppadi correctana info tharathu? There should be a policy, like every ten year all these should be considered on pan India level.

http://www.tn.gov.in/govt_aboutTN.html

http://tnmaps.tn.nic.in/district.php?dcode=16

iaafosc
August 24th, 2012, 07:19 PM
TN na appa appa b'day cake vettura madri thundu pottu kittu irundha, eppadi correctana info tharathu? There should be a policy, like every ten year all these should be considered on pan India level.

http://www.tn.gov.in/govt_aboutTN.html

http://tnmaps.tn.nic.in/district.php?dcode=16

thanks boss

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 07:22 PM
TN na appa appa b'day cake vettura madri thundu pottu kittu irundha, eppadi correctana info tharathu? There should be a policy, like every ten year all these should be considered on pan India level.

http://www.tn.gov.in/govt_aboutTN.html

http://tnmaps.tn.nic.in/district.php?dcode=16

வெட்டமாட்டேங்கிறாங்களே பா #another try

தன் முயற்சியில் சற்றும் மனம் தளராத விக்ரமாதித்யன்... :)

who has lost against whom by won by whom and What was the battle..

Loss for SSC if quality debates (not fights) are killed. Assembly'la ammavum 180 MLA'vum kadhaya boringa irukkum :cheers:

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 07:30 PM
வெட்டமாட்டேங்கிறாங்களே பா #another try

தன் முயற்சியில் சற்றும் மனம் தளராத விக்ரமாதித்யன்... :)



seri unga vishayathuku varuvom... recently I saw a post in FB showing States of India in 2030.. adhula TN was divided into Kongu Nadu, Then Tamil
Nadu and Tondai Nadu (north TN)...

what do you think of this? do you think this will benefit the state? is such a split necessary?

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 07:48 PM
seri unga vishayathuku varuvom... recently I saw a post in FB showing States of India in 2030.. adhula TN was divided into Kongu Nadu, Then Tamil
Nadu and Tondai Nadu (north TN)...

what do you think of this? do you think this will benefit the state? is such a split necessary?

Athu, Stalin, Alagesan and Maranuku pichi kudaka potta thittampa...

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 07:55 PM
வெட்டமாட்டேங்கிறாங்களே பா #another try

தன் முயற்சியில் சற்றும் மனம் தளராத விக்ரமாதித்யன்... :)



Loss for SSC if quality debates (not fights) are killed. Assembly'la ammavum 180 MLA'vum kadhaya boringa irukkum :cheers:

Kavala padatheenga, Ennom koncha nallula Natayea vetta sila peru ready agi kittu irukanga...

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Enna speed..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Government-shreds-entire-Radia-tapes-tells-Supreme-Court-its-difficult-to-find-who-leaked-excerpts-to-media/articleshow/15625554.cms

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 07:57 PM
I believe south tamil nadu separate state request was there from some time now and recently the demands for separate kongu nadu came from parties KMK ( may be KT too wants :) )

I really see some merit in considering this...

prasanna
August 24th, 2012, 07:58 PM
Enna speed..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Government-shreds-entire-Radia-tapes-tells-Supreme-Court-its-difficult-to-find-who-leaked-excerpts-to-media/articleshow/15625554.cms

idhana sir unga takku :lol:

geico2000
August 24th, 2012, 08:02 PM
idhana sir unga takku :lol:

Ellam avan Seyal.. <=====

satchitananda
August 24th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Ellam avan Seyal.. <=====

Prechanaye yaar antha AVAN le irukku...

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 08:24 PM
I believe south tamil nadu separate state request was there from some time now and recently the demands for separate kongu nadu came from parties KMK ( may be KT too wants :) )

I really see some merit in considering this...

Ofcourse I do want a smaller state [Not sure if I can claim it with urimai anymore :) ]

Start from post 446 or 448 here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=88137332&highlight=#post88137332). We went through several advantages and disadvantages. I don't want to sound like a parrot repeating samething again ;)

If you bring in any new take/perspective then sure we can discuss it from there.

sshivakumar
August 24th, 2012, 09:23 PM
There were a lot of discussion about guns today, did this news trigger the discussion?

Two dead, 8 wounded in gunfire near NY's Empire State Building (http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/24/usa-shooting-empirestate-update-7-pix-tv-idINL2E8JO3R420120824)

kongutamizhan
August 24th, 2012, 09:42 PM
^^ ellarum suttu suttu vilayadi adhu mela oru interest create pannitanga

dpitchai
August 24th, 2012, 09:59 PM
I am just curious to know, if folks from India in SSC here who are currently residing in US has guns (as the gun can purchased without license in US) and have any of you have ever used it?

Antha alavukku naanga aal kedayaathu... Naanga oru dubakoor goshti:)

dpitchai
August 24th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Guys, have a question. Can only people belonging to only one community become temple priests or anybody can?

What are the rules that govern the appointment of these priests...

Anybody can... My grandma is the priest in my village temple. We are from BC community. In my neighboring villages people from pandaram caste are usually the priests.

Only big temples have Brahmin priests and Sanskrit chants. I think they were like that for centuries.

dpitchai
August 24th, 2012, 10:26 PM
Regarding Reservation, I support caste based reservation but not in the current form.

Lot of people seems to think, reservation is targeted for uplifting poor. In my view, that is not the primary reason. People from non-FC castes from the rural areas, do not value education, if they are already uneducated. They don&rsquo;t really sense the value of education and their lifestyle itself is bit backward. Rich or Poor doesn&rsquo;t matter to them. To give an example, in my own village, there are handful of families whose property worth crores, but their kids are not properly educated. Meaning they would go to school, but they would not get proper guidance, the parents never ask/force them to study where as parents from city will give extreme focus on that. It&rsquo;s totally up to the kid to study well and shine in education. Lot of my own cousins are very smart in playing, Chess, card games etc but they would bunk schools and do just pass in 12th and study a BA degree. Reservation is targeted for those kids to have a second chance to make it for better courses.

So reservation is targeted for parents with poor mind set and not for poor. Hence Government gave caste based reservation and not finance based reservation. We should not mix scholarship for the poor with reservation for backward section. I also see that city parents give enormous focus on education, and regardless of the caste the kids do very well if they are smart enough. I would prefer more reservation for rural folks and less or no reservation for someone living in city over a decade. Just my view.

satchitananda
August 24th, 2012, 11:04 PM
One area of focus can be in increasing basic literacy like till 12th and simultaneously giving more options for vocational training, trade, commerce related skills, artisan skills etc. The mindset in India, unfortunately is, one has to be a doctor or engineer (perhaps in urban areas now Computers and in North India more towards administration like IAS). This crazy skew has tilted the made us think all or nothing.

This will ensure that basic literacy gets covered with a special focus on life skills. Most folks who start their life do not have basic ideas about handling finance or basic interpersonal skills. If focus is given there as well, we as a society will stand a better chance to prosper.

logan_square_guy
August 25th, 2012, 01:30 AM
Thanks for your response. Here is the lasting memory I have of temples in Chennai. The priest will throw the holy ash into the hands of lowly people like me , as if I am a beggar and they are doing me a huge favor. If the person standing in the queue happens to be a Brahmin, the are nicer. They don't throw that stuff. If you are a non-brahmin then they treat you like s**t. Of course, if you give a huge amount of dakshina, then they will treat you well the next time.

So the bottom line is, if you are a brahmin devotee, you are treated well and if you are a non-brahmin, you will get their respect only if you pay up. I have observed this in multiple temples. It is because of stuff like this that I gave up going to temples.

Anybody can... My grandma is the priest in my village temple. We are from BC community. In my neighboring villages people from pandaram caste are usually the priests.

Only big temples have Brahmin priests and Sanskrit chants. I think they were like that for centuries.

dpitchai
August 25th, 2012, 02:16 AM
Thanks for your response. Here is the lasting memory I have of temples in Chennai. The priest will throw the holy ash into the hands of lowly people like me , as if I am a beggar and they are doing me a huge favor. If the person standing in the queue happens to be a Brahmin, the are nicer. They don't throw that stuff. If you are a non-brahmin then they treat you like s**t. Of course, if you give a huge amount of dakshina, then they will treat you well the next time.

So the bottom line is, if you are a brahmin devotee, you are treated well and if you are a non-brahmin, you will get their respect only if you pay up. I have observed this in multiple temples. It is because of stuff like this that I gave up going to temples.



What you say is extremely strong and strange for me since you are saying multiple temples and priests. I never faced any kind of discrimination in any temple regardless of the priest being Brahmin or not. There are discrimination in village temples where they don't allow lower caste people at times. But in those temples priests are not Brahmins they are mostly from BC caste.

Any how does the priest distinguishing Brahmin vs non-Brahmin in the first place? Are you really honest in your acquisition or making it up?