^^ Loads of ex-SAS

This is what real cops look like. If I were minister of the interior, I would import a couple thousand of these guys...Texas roughnecks....and Romania's crime problems would disappear. There are many things I don't like about the US but I have great respect and admiration for their police forces. :cheers:

http://www.sheriff.us/images/swat.jpg

Cut the brits some slack. I'd say they're on par with US police forces.;)

But I know most British police officers, even those of the MPS, don't carry guns on their beats. That's why they rely on so-called "armed police" when the shit hits the fan. To me that's not a good thing. All police officers should carry guns and of course receive proper training in how to use them.

tomis, are those guys SWAT? AFAIK the two best special response units in the US are the NYPD ESU and LAPD SWAT... haven't heard anything about the Texans. But yeah, I got your point.:D

I think the reason why BP don’t carry guns is to discourage the criminals to arm themselves even more ... gunzz brings (more) gunzz :nuts:

Cut the brits some slack. I'd say they're on par with US police forces.;)

But I know most British police officers, even those of the MPS, don't carry guns on their beats. That's why they rely on so-called "armed police" when the shit hits the fan. To me that's not a good thing. All police officers should carry guns and of course receive proper training in how to use them.

tomis, are those guys SWAT? AFAIK the two best special response units in the US are the NYPD ESU and LAPD SWAT... haven't heard anything about the Texans. But yeah, I got your point.:D

I'm just kidding..I'm sure the Brits do just fine but I'd take American police officers over any other. You won't find more a more polite, professional and ready to kick anybody’s ass force in the world.

Yes they are a SWAT. I may be wrong to generalize, but in the US SWAT teams are made up of regular police officers who have special training. One day a guy may be cutting parking tickets and the next he puts on a full suite of body armor and shoots up drug cartels.

The reason the Texas units don't get much attention is because nobody wants to mess with them. But I think just about every decent size city has a good swat team.

Look at some of the crap American officers have to deal with :ohno::

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This is what real cops look like.
No, This is what real cops look like. :lol:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/tb_150_0807_eve.jpg

militia romana, za best. :okay:

^^

That guy hasn't seen his dick since Ceausescu was president.

:lol:
ai fost simpatic ...
Indeed,the city is gorgeous.
Parca mi-e si rusine sa mai pun poze cu Galatiul dupa ce vezi ce au ei..:(

m_m you have a very beautiful home town as well.

Yes they are a SWAT. I may be wrong to generalize, but in the US SWAT teams are made up of regular police officers who have special training. One day a guy may be cutting parking tickets and the next he puts on a full suite of body armor and shoots up drug cartels.
Yes, that's the way it happens. SWAT members were once regular officers.

E-Man (http://www.amazon.com/E-man-Life-NYPD-Emergency-Services/dp/1600080502/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235660599&sr=8-1) is one interesting book about what is like to be NYPD ESU. It's a short book and although I think the writing could be better it gives you an insight into the life of a former officer.

Yes, that's the way it happens. SWAT members were once regular officers.




That's not what I meant to say. Although this is probably not the case in large cities like NY or LA, in smaller places that can't afford or don't need a full time SWAT team, regular officer (with special training) make up the local swat team when the need arises.

edit: uite jucaria mea preferata www.stellarium.org

Am si eu Stellarium-ul :D. Inca o jucarie interesanta: Celestia, poti da zoom out din intreaga Cale Lactee.

http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

That's not what I meant to say. Although this is probably not the case in large cities like NY or LA, in smaller places that can't afford or don't need a full time SWAT team, regular officer (with special training) make up the local swat team when the need arises.
Ok, sorry then. You're right, this happens only in small cities. Big cities have dedicated SWAT teams (some bearing different names/acronyms) and some of these teams handle all sorts of emergencies from sea rescues and jumpers to hostage taking situations, freeing car crash victims out of cars and rescuing the victims of other freak accidents. Pretty sick stuff.:puke:

Ok, sorry then. You're right, this happens only in small cities. Big cities have dedicated SWAT teams (some bearing different names/acronyms) and some of these teams handle all sorts of emergencies from sea rescues and jumpers to hostage taking situations, freeing car crash victims out of cars and rescuing the victims of other freak accidents. Pretty sick stuff.:puke:

I'm not sure about the rescuing car crash victims...that's more the work of the fire department...and sea rescues..those are usually handled by the Coast Guard.

In some cities, stuff like that is the responsibility of SWAT. For example NYPD ESU does water rescues (complementary to the USCG) and they also had the so-called jaws of life for rescuing car crash victims, but maybe now only the NYPD is equipped for this (though I doubt). I think Philly has something similar, but I'm not sure. Generally ESU has a broader range of tasks than other SWAT, including LAPD SWAT.

Am si eu Stellarium-ul :D. Inca o jucarie interesanta: Celestia, poti da zoom out din intreaga Cale Lactee.

http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

^^ :okay:
http://www.shatters.net/celestia/documentation.html

(Cred ca) stii care-i problema mea: nu vad ce relevanta are "dumnezeul tau" din moment ce nu poti stii cu siguranta daca exista sau nu. Asta daca-ti pastrezi pozitia initiala... nu mai revin la faza cu site-ul ala, ca sunt in continuare confuz cum de lasi creationismul sa se strecoare...:dunno:

Ma bucur ca nu mai ai (?) dubii despre dumnezeul meu. Descris clar de Dawkins la capitolul dumnezeul lui Einstein:
So, was he a deist, like Voltaire or Diderot? Or a pantheist, like Spinoza, whose philosophy he admired: "I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in an orderly harmonyof what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings"


Intr-un fel eu iti admir pozitia fata de Dumnezeu pentru ca dumnezeul ala foarte abstract care sustii tu ca poate exista

http://www.eequalsmcsquared.auckland.ac.nz/sites/emc2/tl/philosophy/moon.cfm

Dubii am.:lol: Ti-am zis ca eu nu vad rostul unui astfel de dumnezeu, ca este irelevant pentru mine, ca la un moment dat se pune intrebarea cine l-a creat pe dumnezeu? Nu e rodul unei evolutii? Si de aici multe alte intrebari fara raspuns.

Repet, discutia atunci a inceput de la site-ul ala (ID) care-i plin de balarii (ti-am zis eu, ti-a zis Cotnari si-ti mai pot spune multi altii care sunt specialistii in domeniile vizate), nu de la convingerile tale filozofice. .:cheers:

Intrebarea este*: ai sesizat o diferenta intre mesajul pe care incercai sa-l transmiti atunci citandu-l pe Einstein si explicatiile lui Dawkins cu privire la convingerile lui Einstein?

*deduc ca ai citit capitolul ala.

Un militar român a fost ucis în Afganistan (http://www.realitatea.net/un-militar-roman-a-fost-ucis-in-afganistan_466471.html) :(

^^Dumnezeu sa-l odihneasca (nu o lua ca pe o provocare Cosmin, imi fac bagajele si chiar nu am timp de dezbateri :D)

^^Cred ca ai o impresie gresita despre mine.:dunno:

have fun !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNerbTGc2Q

Cred ca ai o impresie gresita despre mine.:dunno:

Hmm... Atunci greseala mea :)

Un militar român a fost ucis în Afganistan (http://www.realitatea.net/un-militar-roman-a-fost-ucis-in-afganistan_466471.html) :(

nimeni nu plange insa cand un militar omoara la randul lui alti oameni? ca doar asta e profesia lui.

Fii sigur ca plange cineva si dupa victimele militarului! Razboiul e murdar, dar stii cum e, eu sunt mai aproape de militarul coalitiei (roman sau nu) decat de un afgan care lupta pentru o cauza cu care oricum nu sunt de acord.

Si nu cred ca plange nimeni de aici dupa militarul roman, e doar o veste trista, care nu poate sa te bucure. Pana la plans mai e. Tu plangi dupa talibani?:)

Fii sigur ca plange cineva si dupa victimele militarului! Razboiul e murdar, dar stii cum e, eu sunt mai aproape de militarul coalitiei (roman sau nu) decat de un afgan care lupta pentru o cauza cu care oricum nu sunt de acord.

Si nu cred ca plange nimeni de aici dupa militarul roman, e doar o veste trista, care nu poate sa te bucure. Pana la plans mai e. Tu plangi dupa talibani?:)


Vroiam sa zic ca nimeni nu va plange in Romania pentru mortii lasati in urma de militarii romani (daca or fi). Eu nu plang dupa niciun strain, dar observ doar fatarnicia cu care opinia publica trateaza astfel de subiecte. Cand un obuz cade peste o scoala afgana (si s-a intamplat de multe ori) este doar o stire si atat.

Dar talibanii nu sunt oameni? Erau chiar eroi acum 20 de ani cand luptau cu sovieticii.

Toti sunt oameni. Si? Dar criminalii nu sunt si ei oameni? Cei care decapiteaza straini prin Irak nu-s tot oameni? Totul depinde de cum privesti problema. Teroristi pentru unii, eroi pentru altii; eroii de astazi, teroristii de maine. Asa a fost intotdeauna si asa va fi intotdeauna (probabil).

Atata timp cat ai asta undeva in minte, din punctul meu de vedere e ok sa alegi "cu cine tii" si in cazul asta balanta inclina puternic in favoarea coalitiei. Eu nu ma simt mai aproape de niste inapoiati social precum talibanii sau de niste indivizi care pun bombe pe sosele decat ma simt de niste americani, englezi, spanioli etc. si de pilotii de pe avioanele care arunca bombe in Afganistan.

Asta nu inseamna ca nu-mi pare la fel de rau cand oameni nevinovati (copii sau adulti) sufera de pe urma razboiului, si nici nu inseamna ca "tin" neconditionat cu Vestul (exemplu: genocidul din Rwanda si indiferenta vesticilor fata de el, mai ales a belgienilor imi vine tot timpul in minte). Nu exista alb si negru, dar exista nuante mai deschide si mai inchise de gri.;)

Iar media normal ca nu va deplange prea mult moartea a 20 de copii dintr-un spital afgan sau irakian pentru ca asa e mass-media. Va acorda mai multa atentie mortii unui militar american, englez etc. si va acorda si mai multa atentie mortii unui militar roman.

Toti sunt oameni. Si? Dar criminalii nu sunt si ei oameni? Cei care decapiteaza straini prin Irak nu-s tot oameni? Totul depinde de cum privesti problema. Teroristi pentru unii, eroi pentru altii; eroii de astazi, teroristii de maine. Asa a fost intotdeauna si asa va fi intotdeauna (probabil).

Atata timp cat ai asta undeva in minte, din punctul meu de vedere e ok sa alegi "cu cine tii" si in cazul asta balanta inclina puternic in favoarea coalitiei. Eu nu ma simt mai aproape de niste inapoiati social precum talibanii sau de niste indivizi care pun bombe pe sosele decat ma simt de niste americani, englezi, spanioli etc. si de pilotii de pe avioanele care arunca bombe in Afganistan.

Asta nu inseamna ca nu-mi pare la fel de rau cand oameni nevinovati (copii sau adulti) sufera de pe urma razboiului, si nici nu inseamna ca "tin" neconditionat cu Vestul (exemplu: genocidul din Rwanda si indiferenta vesticilor fata de el, mai ales a belgienilor imi vine tot timpul in minte). Nu exista alb si negru, dar exista nuante mai deschide si mai inchise de gri.;)

Iar media normal ca nu va deplange prea mult moartea a 20 de copii dintr-un spital afgan sau irakian pentru ca asa e mass-media. Va acorda mai multa atentie mortii unui militar american, englez etc. si va acorda si mai multa atentie mortii unui militar roman.

de acord.

deci eu sunt singurul care se bucura cand aude de cate un soldat american decapitat in Irak?

1) Da, cred ca esti singurul. Ai consultat deja un psihiatru?:)
2) Sunt mai multi civili decapitati decat militari.

1. Nu ma bucur pentru civili.

2. Ma bucur pt ca prostia trebuie platita. Pt. ca soldateii aia au fost fraieriti sa-si riste viata din patriotism pt USA, cand defapt isi dau viata pt ca rahatii aia pansati de la Exxon si altii sa-si umfle si mai tare buzunarele.

Vorba lui Carlin despre razboi:
Old people use young people to die so they can increase their wealth.

Privesti foarte simplist si cinic problema. Prostia se plateste, dar nu crezi ca-i cam inutil sa o platesti daca nu mai traiesti ca sa tragi concluziile si sa inveti ca data viitoare sa nu mai faci?

In plus, nu toti se duc acolo din patriotism, multi se duc din nevoie, altii se duc chiar pt. ca cred ca vor face bine. Evident ca fiind soldati vor face si bine si rau... asta nu-i un motiv ca tu sa te bucuri ca niste oameni isi pierd viata.

Si nu uita ca sunt decapitati de niste indivizi care vad lumea intr-un mod care tie nu cred ca-ti convine. Un irakian normal nu rapeste oameni ca sa-i decapiteze.

George Carlin:

Human beings will do anything, anything. I am convinced. That's why when all those beheadings started in Iraq it didn't bother me. A lot of people here were horrified, "Whaaaa, beheadings!" What, are you fucking surprised? Just one more form of extreme human behaviour. Besides, who cares about some mercenary civilian contractor from Oklahoma who gets his head cut off? Fuck 'em. Hey Jack, you don't want to get your head cut off? Stay the fuck in Oklahoma. They aint cuttin' of heads in Oklahoma, far as I know. But I do know this: you strap on a gun and go struttin' around some other mens country you better be ready for some action Jack. People are touchy about that sort of thing. And let me ask you this... this is a morale question, not retorical, I am looking for the answer: what is the morale difference between cuttin' of one guys head, or two, or three, of five or ten - and dropping a big bomb on a hospital and killing a whole bunch of sick kids? Has anybody in authority given you an explanation of the difference?

-from Life is worth losing.

N-ai inteles, nu-s surprins de aceste decapitari, ci doar mi se par stupide si ma revolta la fel cum ma revolta multe comportamente de genul asta. Vrei sa omori oameni, ia o arma si omoara-i. Decapitarile alea sunt cam gratuite pentru ca de multe ori indivizii respectivi nu-s un pericol pentru nebunii aia de acolo. Si sunt facute pentru publicitate, ca altfel ar fi cum zic eu: iei arma si-l omori, nu-i tai capul si mai si filmezi. Asta ma dezgusta.

Si mai e o diferenta: cine bombardeaza obiectivele alea civile, in general, o face din greseala. Probabil nu crezi asta, si daca nu crezi e problema ta, dar se fac eforturi pentru evitarea victimelor colaterale si mai ales a asa-numitului friendly fire. Le pasa sau nu de civili, sunt obligati la prudenta. Compara cu carpet bombing din WWII sau Vietnam si mai vorbim...

Cred ca ratezi esentialul: ai spus ca te bucuri cand oameni sunt decapitati (militari, civili, nu conteaza, ca tot oameni sunt) si daca tu-i vezi pe cei care apeleaza la decapitari ca fiind mari patrioti sau ceva de genul asta tind sa-ti reamintesc ca irakianul obisnuit are un cu totul alt comportament.

Nu mai zic de toti escrocii care rapesc civili doar pentru recompensa.:ohno:

Cred ca ratezi esentialul: ai spus ca te bucuri cand oameni sunt decapitati (militari, civili, nu conteaza, ca tot oameni sunt) si daca tu-i vezi pe cei care apeleaza la decapitari ca fiind mari patrioti sau ceva de genul asta tind sa-ti reamintesc ca irakianul obisnuit are un cu totul alt comportament.
1. am spus americanii decapitati (nu au ce cauta civili americani in Iraq, desii am uitat de ziaristi, dar la soldatei ma refeream)

2. pe teroristi nu ii vad ca pe niste eroi, sunt doar niste dezaxati, iar poporul lor sclav unei religii disfunctionale, dar ma bucur sa vad pe rednecks ca o iau in bot, pentru ca nu le suport ignoranta, pentru ca daca romanii din Irak/Afganistan sunt acolo clar pt. bani, foarte multi soldati americani sunt acolo din patriotism, nu pt. ca unii vor sa puna mana pe petrolul irakian.

Stiu ca sunt cinic si meschin, foarte bine, dar asa simt. Americanii nu au ca cauta acolo.

P.S.
Crezi tu ca Irakianul de rand se bucura de prezenta americana? (chiar daca nu actioneaza direct impotriva ei)

Am inteles, Sadam "avea" arme de distrugere in masa si era un tiran, au fost l-au dat jos pe Sadam, nu au gasit arme, daca nu ati intrat pentru petrol "GET THE F**K OUT" - jandarmii lumii sa-si asume riscurile si consecintele actiunii lor. Sunt total impotriva politicii americane, implicit total impotriva tuturor care sustin politica lor, asta insemnand si adolescentii cu cefa rasa, care se joaca cu arme pe acolo, primesc ceea ce cauta.

Acum sincer ma bucuram sa-l decapiteze pe Dick Cheney sau altul de sus, dar trebuie sa ma multumesc cu niste prostanaci care pun botu' la politica lor si practic sunt cei care o pun in aplicare (iara o sa-l citez aproximativ pe Carlin: daca soldatii nu ar lupta, ce ar putea face bogatii aia? sa se duca ei?)

Astept acum toti pro-americanii sa-mi sara in cap :shifty:

1. am spus americanii decapitati
Ah, scuze, credeam ca te referi la oameni.;)




:ohno:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2836065104_aab7bfb7f9_o.jpg

nice fire truck... :applause:

I can't post the picture 'cause flickr.com won't let me but you have to see this picture of a Romanian kid.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ladylara/971965978/in/set-72157603912250608/

By the way....he's a boy.

I got it to work. I hope my eventual son (please God) will look like that.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1274/971965978_9f6aab5b54.jpg?v=1185959954

To be honest the lips are way too big for a boy. But I like the big eyes.:eek:

I got it to work. I hope my eventual son (please God) will look like that.
Then you should marry a half gypsy girl... (if you are not half gypsy already)

The kid is one step away from looking retarded to be honest, I really don't understand the commotion regarding his facial expression which doesn't suggest anything to me; anything that profound to be more precise. His right eye seems out of orbit because of the direction in which he was looking and/or the angle from which he was shot.

I can't post the picture 'cause flickr.com won't let me but you have to see this picture of a Romanian kid.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ladylara/971965978/in/set-72157603912250608/

By the way....he's a boy.
comments:
"...oh yeah,wow...is a beautiful boy...very cute...where? Sighisoara, Romania? Oh...I know," <- :D :angel:

E clar ca n-am gusturi :lol: ... nu vad nimic deosebit in copchilu' ala. Ok, dragut ... da' cam atat :nuts:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frozenminds/982403729/in/set-72157594488983101/
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2406/ccc1t.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Poza artistica.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/kid.jpg

Copil rrom la gunoaie in Mangalia

http://i.pbase.com/u27/haraldmedboe/upload/16515748.30imageswebx06.jpg

Eu am postat poza crezand ca starnesc niste reactii blande (chiar parintesti) in voi. Nu ma asteptam la "tigan retardat." :ohno:

Mie nici macar dragut nu mi se pare copilul ala. Parca fanul ala mic al lui Feyenoord imi e mai simpatic :)

I got it to work. I hope my eventual son (please God) will look like that.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1274/971965978_9f6aab5b54.jpg?v=1185959954

Me loves it. Nu inteleg ce nu va place la acest copil. Mi se pare ca este foarte expresiva fata lui.

http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c

Zoom in...a lot

^^ impressive

Me loves it. Nu inteleg ce nu va place la acest copil. Mi se pare ca este foarte expresiva fata lui.

Poate voi il considerati frumos. Eu nu. Poate o fi, dar de ce ar trebui sa ma miste lucrul asta? He's just a kid...

http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c

Zoom in...a lot

I don't get it....what am I supposed to be looking at...the pole?

Me loves it. Nu inteleg ce nu va place la acest copil. Mi se pare ca este foarte expresiva fata lui.

Ii cad ochii'n gura si buzele'n gat :lol:

I don't get it....what am I supposed to be looking at...the pole?

You can see the Pole? :eek:

You can see the Pole? :eek:

I said pole not Pole....dummy.

I said pole not Pole....dummy.

I know :D

Is anyone else having problems with the site today?

I know :D

So I ask again...what should I be seeing in that picture?

Me too....it went on and off the whole day...and slow when on...now it seems it's working OK.

Mexico's gun problem (this is some scrary stuff).

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4711745

So I ask again...what should I be seeing in that picture?

Try harder to zoom it more... never mind, it's the huuuge resolution. :)

Try harder to zoom it more... never mind, it's the huuuge resolution. :)

Ok…I thought this might be one of those Find Waldo type of scenes.

http://bokertov.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/15/waldo.jpg

^^ http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/841496/Primii-pasi-in-America/

O femeie a murit, vineri după-amiază, după ce a fost lovită de un ornament care a căzut de pe o clădire din centrul municipiului Sibiu. Victima a fost transportată de urgenţă la spital, dar medicii nu au mai putut face nimic pentru a-i salva viaţa. Conform stirileprotv.ro, femeia a salvat viaţa fiicei sale, reuşind s-o tragă din calea bucăţii despreinse de pe clădire, dar n-a mai avut timp să se salveze şi pe ea.

Potrivit reprezentanţilor Poliţiei, femeia mergea pe trotuar, iar un ornament s-a desprins şi i-a căzut în cap. Incidentul s-a petrecut în faţa unei farmacii, pe aleea principală din centrul Sibiului.

Purtătorul de cuvânt al Spitalului Judeţean Sibiu, Raluca Turcu, a declarat la rândul ei că femeia, în vârstă de 39 de ani, a murit în urma leziunilor grave suferite, eforturile medicilor de a o salva fiind în zadar.

La locul incidentului s-au deplasat un echipaj de Poliţie şi unul de la Protecţia Civilă, pentru a stabili cauzele accidentului şi motivul pentru care ornamentul de pe clădire s-a desprins.
articol (http://www.sibianulonline.ro/sibiu/o-femeie-a-murit-in-centrul-sibiului-strivita-de-un-ormanent-ea-a-salvat-viata-fiicei-sale-video-4004495)

comentariu:
salvarea a venit dupa 30 min. daca venea mai repede poate avea si femeia aia o sansa. si spitalul e la 2 min,iar salvarea a ajuns in 30,daca locuiesti intr-un cartier mai indepartat,in cat timp vine? intr-o ora? dumnezeu s-o odihneasca!

in 10 min ajungeam daca mergeam pe jos cu spatele :bash:

^^ http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/841496/Primii-pasi-in-America/

Pretty crappy travel log if you ask me. She came to Atlanta to see CNN and Coca-Cola? You can't get more low class than that. Right next to CNN is the Georgia Aquarium (http://www.georgiaaquarium.org/) and across the street from the Coca Cola "museum" is The Georgia Institute of Technology (http://www.gatech.edu/)...one of the best technical universities in the US and the world.

^^ :) :cheers:

...

Cu dedicatie :nuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E&feature=PlayList&p=A490902178E6854D&index=0&playnext=1

WALIARHHLII

^^ "Faaaa esti frumoasaaaaa, proasta drakului ..."

Blocurile din Heygate Estate arata mai rau ca cele de la noi...

Daca se face o comparatie corecta, in nici un caz ...

Buon Mărţişor to our romanian friends !

http://images.ibox.bg/2008/02/28/mart/519x481.jpg

Cheers Turnovec. Same to all Bulgarians! :cheers:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/948/marz.png (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marz.png)

Nu mai retin exact cine (Luci203..parca) sustinea acum cateva luni ca-n China "property bubble-ul" e mult mai redus fata de tari gen....Romania.


Beijing's Olympic building boom becomes a bust

Reporting from Beijing -- "Empty," says Jack Rodman, an expert in distressed real estate, as he points from the window of his 40th-floor office toward a silver-skinned prism rising out of the Beijing skyline.

"Beautiful building, but not a single tenant.

Completely empty.

"Empty."

So goes the refrain as his finger skips from building to building, each flashier than the next, and few of them more than barely occupied.


Beijing went through a building boom before the 2008 Summer Olympics that filled a staid communist capital with angular architectural feats that grace the covers of glossy design magazines.

Now, six months after the Games ended, the city continues to dazzle by night, with neon and floodlights dancing across the skyline. By day, though, it is obvious that many are "see-through" buildings, to use the term coined during the Texas real estate bust of the 1980s.

By Rodman's calculations, 500 million square feet of commercial real estate has been developed in Beijing since 2006, more than all the office space in Manhattan. And that doesn't include huge projects developed by the government. He says 100 million square feet of office space is vacant -- a 14-year supply if it filled up at the same rate as in the best years, 2004 through '06, when about 7 million square feet a year was leased.
"The scale of development was unprecedented anywhere in the world," said Rodman, a Los Angeles native who lives in Beijing, running a firm called Global Distressed Solutions. "It defied logic. It just doesn't make sense."

Construction cranes jut into the skyline, but increasingly they are fixed in place, awaiting fresh financing before work resumes.

Boarded fences advertise coming attractions -- "an iconic landmark" or "international wonderland" -- that are in varying states of half-completion. A retail strip in one development advertised as "La Vibrant shopping street" is empty.

In a country where protests are rare, migrant workers stand in front of several construction projects, voicing their grievances.

"Our boss ran away with the money and he is nowhere to be found," said Li Zirong, a migrant worker from Shaanxi province, who was a supervisor on a stunning building with windows shaped like portholes.

What makes this boom-and-bust cycle different from those in the West is that there is no private ownership of land in China, making local governments de facto partners in the real estate industry, which earn huge fees from leasing and transferring land.

Huang Yasheng, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, traces the blame for the bust to the Chinese Communist Party and its reluctance to allow a true market economy.

"The lack of land reform fed into the real estate bubble and now it's coming back to haunt them," said Huang, author of "Capitalism With Chinese Characteristics," published last year. "There should have been more checks and balances on the ability of the government to acquire land."

The government spent $43 billion for the Olympics, nearly three times as much as any other host city. But many of the venues proved too big, too expensive and more photogenic than practical.

The National Stadium, known as the Bird's Nest, has only one event scheduled for this year: a performance of the opera "Turandot" on Aug. 8, the one-year anniversary of the Olympic opening ceremony. China's leading soccer club backed out of a deal to play there, saying it would be an embarrassment to use a 91,000-seat stadium for games that ordinarily attract only 10,000 spectators.

The venue, which costs $9 million a year to maintain, is expected to be turned into a shopping mall in several years, its owners announced last month.

A baseball stadium that opened last spring with an exhibition game between the Dodgers and the San Diego Padres, is being demolished. Its owner says it also will use the land for a shopping mall.

Among the major Olympic venues, only the National Aquatics Center, nicknamed the Water Cube, has had a productive afterlife. It's used for sound-and-light shows, with dancing fountains in the swimming lanes where Michael Phelps won his gold medals.

All around the Olympic complex, there are cavernous empty buildings, such as the main press center for the Games, that still await tenants.

A shopping arcade that stretches for a quarter of a mile across the street from the complex is empty, the storefronts papered over with signs reading "famous stores corridor."

"They wanted to build 'the world's biggest this' and 'the world's biggest that,' but these buildings have almost zero long-term economic benefit," economist Huang said.

Moreover, the makeover of Beijing for the Olympics led to an estimated 1.5 million residents being evicted from their homes, according to the Geneva-based Center on Housing Rights and Evictions.


In this vibrant capital city of 17 million, there is an insatiable demand for housing, yet prices remain far out of reach of most residents. American-style free-standing homes are being advertised for more than $1 million in gated communities with names like Versailles, Provence, Arcadia and Riviera. Within the Fourth Ring Road, a beltway that defines the central part of the city, two- and three-bedroom apartments are offered for $800,000 in compounds named Central Park and Riverside.

"These are like New York prices, but we are Chinese. We don't have that kind of money," said Zhang Huizhan, a 55-year-old businessman who owns a Chinese furniture factory. He has been looking for five years for an apartment for him and his wife within their budget of $150,000.

The average salary in Beijing is less than $6,000 a year.

Louis Kuijs, a senior economist at the World Bank in Beijing, said a lack of government supervision of the real estate industry tempted developers to build only for the luxury market and to ignore the mass market.

"If you think demand is endless for anything you build and you have just 200 square meters of land, you will build high-end apartments to make the highest profit," Kuijs said.

To its credit, the government recognized in 2007 that the real estate market was headed toward a bubble, economists say. In an attempt to make real estate more affordable, restrictions were introduced on ownership of second homes and on foreign home buyers. But the measures came too late, accelerating the crash of an already weakening market.

The Beijing Municipal Bureau of Statistics reported this month that housing sales in the city dropped 40% last year. Chinese economists have predicted that housing prices will drop 15% to 20% in Beijing this year. Shanghai has experienced a similar decline.

"You can look at this perhaps as a healthy correction in the market," Kuijs said.

In the longer term, he said, "China's urbanization and overall development is going to lead to a very large additional demand for housing in the city."

Before that happens, the situation could get worse. Most of the real estate has been financed by Chinese banks, which have avoided writing down the loans. Eventually, they will be forced to, and that probably will have a ripple effect throughout the economy.

"At the end, somebody is going to have to pay the piper," real estate expert Rodman said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-beijing-bust22-2009feb22,0,5564951.story?page=2

^^ la noi e mai rau...

Cam putin in comparatie cu alte tari ... mai bogate ca noi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3642/eubudget.png

exemplu: vecinii de la apus primesc aceiasi bani ca si noi ... dar populatia si suprafata e la jumatate

Par usor absurde cifrele..nu inteleg de ce Grecia ar primi mai multi bani per capita decat orice tara din EE.

^^ la noi e mai rau...

ba nu :lol:

Fiti antena peste ce minunatzie de sait am dat recent:

http://www.prayforfrance.org/?gclid=CLrJ4N3T_JgCFRTuegodw09Fng

Stupiditatea unora depaseste puterea mea de intelegere!

pXxVeSQ2RdE

Poate iese ceva ... :naughty:
http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/145427/propunere-jurnalul-national:-tigan-in-loc-de-rom

Poate iese ceva ... :naughty:
http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/145427/propunere-jurnalul-national:-tigan-in-loc-de-rom

Astia sunt mai prosti ca ploaia si nu inteleg care-i rostul.

Poate iese ceva ... :naughty:
http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/145427/propunere-jurnalul-national:-tigan-in-loc-de-rom

Tigan ar fi o descriere mai corecta..No offense! ROM e foarte usor de asociat cu ROMAnia
Cum si indieni/pakistanezi din Anglia nu sunt numiti englezi ci.."British Passport Holders"..Deci,de ce nu?..or avea ei pasaport romanesc dar in CI or pasaport ar trebui mentionat carei etnii/natii/rase apartin..pt o mai buna intelegere din partea politiilor occidentale.

In plus eu prefer pt Romania, ROM ca prescurare,cod de tara la Jocuri Olimpice etc..in loc de francezul ROU..care nu mi se pare potrivit!Daca se va face rocada asta..ROM va fi din nou posibil pt Romania.

Cu dedicatie :nuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E&feature=PlayList&p=A490902178E6854D&index=0&playnext=1
Ha ha! Chiar voiam sa postez astea cand ma intorc de la munte (am fost in weekend-ul asta). Eu sunt abonat (si) la canalul lui Dawkins (http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet) de pe YouTube si acolo le-am vazut saptamana asta.:lol:

Anyway, extrem de interesanta discutia. Desi are 2 ore parca-i prea scurta.:)

exact ce afirmam si eu saptamanile trecute pe "nebuniile .." , ca nu se face diferenta .
asa , acuma unde semnez pentru treaba asta ? :):cheers:
sau iar nu contam ?

exact ce afirmam si eu saptamanile trecute pe "nebuniile .." , ca nu se face diferenta .
asa , acuma unde semnez pentru treaba asta ? :):cheers:
sau iar nu contam ?

nicaieri...chestia asta e cu romii e bine ganditat de altii mai destepti si-o campania stupida n-o sa schimbe asta.

Ouch! De curiozitate joce, stii cumva daca astea sunt "public housing" (unitati detinute de guvern si inchiriate pentru oameni cu venituri reduse) sau blocuri "private" (apartamente detinute de proprietari)?

^^:)
ANL-uri/Nefamilisti (ceausiste - nu astea noi) englezesti ...da' n-am vrut sa mai continui discutia pe thred-ul ala :nuts:
Iar pentru Fallen: comparatia s-ar face cu blocurile din Ferentari. Alea din Londra au incalzire centrala, geamuri PVC, instalatii pentru prevenirea incendiilor, interfon ... nu mai amintesc de lifturi care si la blocurile din centrul Bucurestiului sunt sub orice critica etc etc etc
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2120/55410333.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=55410333.jpg)

ba nu :lol:
Iarasi dupa principiul "Tara de rahat, atentate de rahat":
- tara de rahat, bula imobiliara de rahat

Sa nu uitam ca la noi nu prea s-a construit, "marele real-estate" au fost terenurile, iar pretul terenurilor a cazut "cataclismic", mult sub 50%.

Chiar si pretul apartamentelor a scazut cu 30-40% (ca in Beijing) in majoritatea zonelor, iar in unele "zone speciale" (vezi Pipera) a scazut si mai mult.

Iar Beijing e caz aparte, s-a construit fara minte, "a la Dubai" (500 million square feet of commercial real estate has been developed in Beijing since 2006, more than all the office space in Manhattan). La noi nici nu am inceput sa construim bine dar avem o piata imobiliara blocata, nu mai vinde nimeni nimic.

Iarasi dupa principiul "Tara de rahat, atentate de rahat":
- tara de rahat, bula imobiliara de rahat


Ce v-am zis...?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=31804524&postcount=1851

:lol:

Cum sa ajungi din sofer si casier ... director la Otopeni :nuts:
http://www.gardianul.ro/Marea-Familie.-Aeroportul-Otopeni,-«muls»-de-zeci-de-milioane-de-euro--s130611.html

:lol:
alt angajat(nu chitros ca precedentul)
2009-03-02 12:59:48
!!!!!!!!!
Mi se pare normal ca meseria parintilor sa se transmita copiilor, de exemplu tu daca esti mancator de cacat si copii tai vor fi la fel. Nu?

...
Edit: Primul test al guvernarii ... declansarea urmaririi penale împotriva deputatului PSD Adrian Nastase va fi decisa miercuri:banana: de plenul Camerei Deputatilor, dupa cum a anuntat conducerea acestui for. Pentru trimiterea în instanta a fostului premier va fi nevoie de votul majoritatii deputatilor prezenti, si nu de votul a doua treimi din numarul total al alesilor, aceasta modificare de ultim moment a Regulamentului Camerei fiind transmisa de Comisia de resort

Reminder http://www.clipa.com/pagpolitica863.htm

nebunule, nu-ti fa iluzii...

Imi fac :banana: ... sau votez PNL ...ce "pulimea"* mea?!
*http://nastase.wordpress.com/2009/03/

bonus: http://ioniliescu.wordpress.com/

Chiar daca Nascase va fi judecat, sansele de condamnare sunt minime. (o sa se faca eventual mare tam-tam in preajma alegerilor, pt ca "pulimea" sa puna stampila pe "marele justitiar" basel, ca mai apoi (dupa alegeri) "justitia" romana sa-l achite din lipsa de probe sau mai stiu eu ce)

:bash:

:soapbox:
http://www.realitatea.net/in-gara-de-nord-din-bucuresti-a-fost-deschisa-o-biblioteca_278792.html

^^ reality check: :ohno:
http://www.cotidianul.ro/tu_cititor_fatarnic-74873.html

M-am săturat de toţi invidioşii, de toţi duşii cu pluta pe ca*nal, de naşparliii cu casa-n pantă, de toţi ăia care se dau goaşperi. Hai, ciocu mic şi joc de glezne, că m-apuc să editez.

Ce-aveţi cu Elena Băsescu, ofti*coşilor? Cum vedeţi una mai cu succesuri, hop şi voi pe ea. Păi, fata asta s-a luptat cu tot neamu guzganului rozaliu şi-a învins, şoriceilor de martie! Fata asta-i topmodelă, iar pe voi nu vă lasă părinţii să ieşiţi din casă de urâţi ce sunteţi.

A plecat de sus, a ajuns şi mai sus. Logic. Bine că n-a uitat de unde a plecat. Continuă tradiţia familiei – ce e rău în asta? Dacă eşti hingher, e ruşinos s-o faci pe fii-ta hingheră? Nu-i meserie uşoară, mai ales la alergat pisici. Sau cosmonaut. Sau coşar. Sau poştaş. Mă opresc aici. E urât să-ţi ducă aia mică visul mai departe? Au ajutat-o părinţii. Şi pe orfani îi ajută. Ce să-i faci, dacă de copilă i-a plăcut politica? Dacă-i plăcea aeromodelismu, aţi fi fost mai liniştite, blondelor? Dacă Boc i-ar fi cedat, politicos (hait, că mi-a scăpat) cum îl ştim, locu în Guvern, ar fi fost chiar aşa rău? Astăzi aveam imagine. Şi nu-i mai căutam premierului locuinţă de serviciu pe măsura prietenilor lu Albă ca Zăpada.

Nu v-aţi prins că pleacă fata la Bruxelles să scape de gura voa*stră? Acolo n-o cunoaşte nici Manneken, acolo pot să fie şi oameni care nu vor să vorbesc cu tine. În Parlamentul European e ca la Euro Click: marcă cine pri*meşte minge. (Obiectul acela rotund, confecţionat din piele, în care toţi vor să dea cu piciorul, pe care scrie: „ Le-a Gue”).

De ce-o dau plecată, când încă nici data europarlamentarelor nu s-a fixat? Deoarece fiindcă pentru că va fi pe listă. Ştiţi ce înseamnă în România să fii pe listă?

Ştiţi ce e o listă? E ca blana de morsă în Groenlanda. O ai – eşti eschimors, eşti om; n-o ai – eşti ca şi eschimort, eşti Fiul Ninsorii.

Fata lu tata o să intre în campanie şi, dacă nu vă potoliţi, o să aflaţi mai multe - drgi algătri, ibţi cetţâni - din primul discurs.
:wave: :goodbye: :wave:

Prosti E aia care o voteaza :toilet:

Prosti E aia care o voteaza :toilet: = def. "pulime"

Chiar daca Nascase va fi judecat, sansele de condamnare sunt minime. (o sa se faca eventual mare tam-tam in preajma alegerilor, pt ca "pulimea" sa puna stampila pe "marele justitiar" basel, ca mai apoi (dupa alegeri) "justitia" romana sa-l achite din lipsa de probe sau mai stiu eu ce)

:bash:

Ai si tu putina rabdare.

^^

'nteles domn' Trahanache. :lol:

de 20 de ani tot am rabdare... :bash:

^^

'nteles domn' Trahanache. :lol:

de 20 de ani tot am rabdare... :bash:

Numai vina ta....ai venit prea devreme la bal. :lol:

HotNews.ro (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-ultima_ora-5460991-sublocotenent-din-ministerul-apararii-acuzat-tradare-favoarea-unui-stat-nealiat.htm)
Luni, 2 martie 2009, 16:30 Ultima ora

Sublocotenent din Ministerul Apararii, acuzat de tradare in favoarea unui stat nealiat :eek:





Floricel Achim, sublocotenent din Ministerul Apararii Nationale, este acuzat de tradare de catre Parchetul de pe linga Inalta Curte de Casatie si Justitie, anunta un comunicat al institutiei. Alaturi de Floricel Achim a mai fost arestat si un cetatean strain. Achim este acuzat ca ar fi oferit informatii secrete catre cetateanul strain ZIKOLOV MARINOV, care mai apoi le-ar fi transmis le "unor reprezentanti ai unui stat nealiat".

Comunicatul de presa, integral:

Un subofiter din Ministerul Apararii (MApN) si un cetatean strain au fost arestati preventiv pentru 29 de zile, la propunerea procurorilor DIICOT, pentru tradare prin transmitere de secrete si spionaj, fiind acuzati ca au manipulat informatii de natura sa puna in pericol securitatea nationala.

In urma cercetarilor efectuate a rezultat ca cei doi inculpati au folosit (dezvoltat) un sistem, in baza caruia inculpatul ACHIM FLORICEL a procurat din cadrul unei unitati militare a Ministerului Apararii documente cu caracter militar, inclusiv din categoria celor clasificate, a caror diseminare neautorizata este de natura sa puna in pericol securitatea nationala si apararea tarii, pe care ulterior le-a predat inculpatului ZIKOLOV MARINOV.

La data de 28 februarie 2009, procurori ai Directiei de Investigare a Infractiunilor de Criminalitate Organizata si Terorism au dispus punerea in miscare a actiunii penale si retinerea pentru 24 de ore a inculpatilor:
- ACHIM FLORICEL, subofiter in cadrul Ministerului Apararii , pentru comiterea infractiunii de tradare prin transmitere de secrete prevazuta de articolul 157 alineatele 1 si 2 din Codul Penal cu aplicarea articolului 41 alineatul 2 din Codul Penal;
- ZIKOLOV MARINOV, cetatean strain, pentru comiterea infractiunii de spionaj prevazuta de articolul 159 raportat la articolul 157 alineatele 1 si 2 din Codul Penal cu aplicarea articolului 41 alineatul 2 din Codul Penal.

Dupa prelucrarea datelor prin intermediul unui sistem de legatura complex, acesta din urma (ZIKOLOV MARINOV - n. red.) le transmitea unor reprezentanti ai unui stat nealiat.

Din cercetari a rezultat ca motivatia demersului infractional a fost obtinerea unor beneficii materiale, constand in diverse sume de bani. Din sumele obtinute pentru informatiile transmise, inculpatul ZIKOLOV MARINOV il recompensa periodic si pe inculpatul ACHIM FLORICEL.

Cei doi inculpati au fost prezentati, la data de 28 februarie 2008, Curtii de Apel Bucuresti cu propunere de arestare preventiva, pentru fiecare inculpat fiind emis mandat de arestare pentru 29 de zile.

Cauza a fost constituita ca urmare a sesizarii Serviciului Roman de Informatii in cadrul activitatii de cooperare cu Parchetul de pe langa Inalta Curte de Casatie si Justitie - Directia de Investigare a Infractiunilor de Criminalitate Organizata si Terorism (DIICOT), cercetarile fiind efectuate cu sprijinul ofiterilor Serviciului Roman de Informatii, Directiei Generale de Informatii a Apararii si Inspectoratului General al Politiei Romane Directia Generala de Combatere a Criminalitatii Organizate.

Oare al carui stat o fi cetatean domnul Zicolov MArinov???? :|

Oare al carui stat o fi cetatean domnul Zicolov MArinov???? :|

^^ Myanmar?! :nuts: :lol:

BTW cea mai injositoare acuzatie* posibila: futator de tara
*futator de mama & guvernantii not included :nuts:) :
PS astept comentariile lui Luci :)

ce mai pot sa zic? :dunno:

ZIKOLOV MARINOV - dupa nume pare bulgar

E vorba de o tara nealiniata. IMO, Rusia sau Ucraina.

E vorba de o tara nealiniata. IMO, Rusia sau Ucraina.

cetateanul strain ZIKOLOV MARINOV, care mai apoi le-ar fi transmis "unor reprezentanti ai unui stat nealiat".


nu e necesar sa fie cetatean al "statului nealiat"

ma "bucur" ca relatile mafiote romano-bulagaro-albanezo-ucraniene "nu ne lasa la greu"

Daca il cheama Marinov poate sa fie Rus, de ce doar Bulgar?

Baiatul lui Marin = Marin+ov

Baiatul lui Marina= Amarinei la noi :D.

Majoritatea numelor ruse se termina in ov,ev, off ( Smirnoff :D )

Sau poate ca nu-l cheama Marinov...spionii, cateodata, isi asuma idenditati false. Dar ce conteaza ca nu stim mai nimic despre individ....hai sa dam din gura ca se ne aflam in treaba.

Marinov poate sa fie nume de Bulgar sau Rus.

ZIKOLOV e nume tipic bulgaresc.

DIICOT a obţinut pe 28 februarie 2009 mandate de arestare pentru subofiţerul Floricel Achim, din cadrul MApN, şi a bulgarului Marinov Zikolov, sub acuzaţia de trădare, respectiv spionaj.
articol cotidianul (http://www.cotidianul.ro/un_subofiter_mapn_si_un_bulgar_arestati_pentru_spionaj_in_favoarea_rusiei-75247.html)

Justitia Romana in actiune....unde-i toxicduck se ne explice ce si cum?


Violatorul Dorel se pregăteşte pentru a patra eliberare pe motive medicale

Deşi a fost eliberat de trei ori în mai puţin de doi ani de către Judecătoria Sectorului 5, pentru motive medicale, violatorul Dorel Lazăr nu a călcat deloc ca să se opereze, ci s-a tratat cu două pachete de ţigări pe zi.

.....

Pentru violul din ’90 am fost condamnat la şapte ani de închisoare, dar am beneficiat de un decret, prin care fapta mi-a fost suspendată”, îşi aminteşte Dorel.


http://www.cotidianul.ro/violatorul_dorel_se_pregateste_pentru_a_patra_eliberare_pe_motive_medicale-74998.html



Nu mai pot...cred ca renunt la forum-ul asta si la orice legat de Romania. Imi stric sanatatea....ma duc sa fumez doua tigari ca nu mai pot.

mUE a zis ca nu mai avem probleme cu justitia... doar termopanele lu' bombonel...

Violatorul Dorel se pregăteşte pentru a patra eliberare pe motive medicale

Da, e ... sick in ZA head :lol:

merita eliberat... eliberat de toate pacatele. :guns1:

"un tip instabil si interesat doar de sine, care nu are sanse sa ne fie de ajutor nici noua, nici rusilor".
http://www.ziare.com/Din_secretele_MI_5_Roman_amorez_si_agent_dublu-684465.html

Ultima Ora: Ministrul de Externe al Ucrainei, demis de Parlament din cauza procesului cu Romania (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-international-5462661-ultima-ora-ministrul-externe-ucrainei-demis-parlament-din-cauza-procesului-romania.htm)

ZIUA ONLINE (http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?data=2009-03-03&id=22289)
marti, 3 martie 2009


Subofiterul acuzat de tradare a recunoscut ca a vandut secrete militare

ULTIMA ORA: Marinov Zokolov a declarat că il cunoştea pe un reprezentant al Ucrainei interesat de informaţii militare

Floricel Achim este acuzat că, in perioada 2002-2007, a procurat documente cu caracter secret de stat şi documente a căror importanţă face ca divulgarea lor să pericliteze siguranţa statului, constand in sistemul de comunicaţii militare, frecvenţe radar, hărţi standard NATO, scheme şi hărţi ale unor subunităţi şi tehnici militare, indicative ale unităţilor militare şi planuri de apărare.
Subofiţerul MApN Floricel Achim vindea secrete de stat pentru sume de pană intr-o mie de dolari, susţin procurorii, cărora cetăţeanul bulgar le-a declarat că il cunoştea pe un reprezentant al Ucrainei interesat de informaţii militare, potrivit instanţei, transmite NewsIn. Floricel Achim este acuzat că, in perioada 2002-2007, a procurat documente cu caracter secret de stat şi documente a căror importanţă face ca divulgarea lor să pericliteze siguranţa statului, constand in sistemul de comunicaţii militare, frecvenţe radar, hărţi standard NATO, scheme şi hărţi ale unor subunităţi şi tehnici militare, indicative ale unităţilor militare şi planuri de apărare, se arată in motivarea Curţii de Apel, care a dispus arestarea acestuia pe 28 februarie. Potrivit acesteia, Achim trimitea aceste informaţii cetăţeanului bulgar, in schimbul unor sume de bani, in general pană la 1000 de dolari, iar bulgarul le transmitea unei ţări străine.

Judecătorii notează că Achim participase la multe stadii de pregărire şi avea experienţă bogată in domeniu. Acesta avea, in timpul serviciului, acces la unul dintre calculatoarele unităţii, de unde obţinea informaţii militare, după ce se asigura că nu era nimeni in zonă, şi folosea orice prilej pentru a sustrage informaţii.

Instanţa motivează că suboţiţerul sustrăgea secrete pe memory stick "la intamplare, la vrac, tot ce reuşea să copieze".

Memory stick-ul ajungea, prin intermediul bulgarului, la "un reprezentant al puterii străine", potrivit instanţei.

Bulgarul a declarat, la randul său, că in perioada 2001-2002, era in relaţii de prietenie cu un reprezentant al Ucrainei la Bucureşti, care i-a spus că este interesat de informaţii militare, pentru care "plătea" 800-1000 de dolari.

Floricel Achim se intalnea cu cetăţeanul bulgar in locuri publice, in Bucureşti, respectiv 1 mai şi zona stadionului naţional.

Achim deţinea autorizaţie de acces la informaţii clasificate din 6 octombrie 2006 "la nivel secret".

Aceste informaţii au fost transmise instanţei de către procurori. Cele două persoane le-au spus judecătorilor doar că işi menţin declaraţiile din faţa organelor de cercetare şi că işi recunosc fapta. Achim a recunoscut, de exemplu, fapte petrecute inclusiv in 2008 şi 2009.

Arestarea celor doi a fost făcută din cauza pericolului public reprezentat de aceştia, susţine instanţa, potrivit căreia există "indicii temeinice" că subofiţerul şi cetăţeasnul bulgar ar fi săvarşit faptele. Un alt motiv pentru arestarea acestora a fost săvarşierea faptelor in mod intenţionat, folosind diverse trucuri pentru predarea dispozitivelor electronice.

Subofiţerul MApN Floricel Achim a recunoscut, in faţa Curţii de Apel Bucureşti, care i-a dat mandat de arestare pe 28 februarie, acuzaţiile de trădare, el spunandu-le judecătorilor că regretă fapta şi că a săvarşit infracţiunile pentru că avea o situaţie materială precară, transmite NewsIn. Potrivit incheierii de şedinţă de pe 28 februarie, şi cetăţeanul străin Marinov Zikolov şi-ar fi recunoscut fapta de care este acuzat, respectiv de spionaj.

Judecarea recursului subofiţerului Floricel Achim şi al lui Marinov Zikolov a fost amanată pană joi

Inalta Curte de Casaţie şi Justiţie a amanat pană joi, 5 martie, recursul subofiţerului Floricel Achim, angajat al MApN, acuzat de trădare prin transmitere de secrete, tot joi urmand să judece şi recursul lui Marinov Zikolov, cetăţean străin, pentru comiterea infracţiunii de spionaj, transmite NewsIn.

Curtea de Apel Bucureşti a emis, in 28 februarie, mandat de arestare pentru 29 de zile pe numele acestora. Subofiţerul acuzat de trădare este angajat al Direcţiei Generale de Informaţii a Armatei din cadrul Ministerului Apărării Naţionale, au declarat, pentru NewsIn, surse apropiate anchetatorilor.

Cauza a fost constituită ca urmare a sesizării Serviciului Roman de Informaţii in cadrul activităţii de cooperare cu Parchetul de pe langă Inalta Curte de Casaţie si Justiţie - Direcţia de Investigare a Infracţiunilor de Criminalitate Organizată si Terorism, cercetările fiind efectuate cu sprijinul ofiţerilor Serviciului Roman de Informaţii , Direcţiei Generale de Informaţii a Apărării si Inspectoratului General al Politiei Romane Direcţia Generală de Combatere a Criminalităţii Organizate.


Z.O.
Articol disponibil la adresa http://www.ziua.net/news.php?id=22289&data=2009-03-03


^^ De asta si-a amanat Basescu vizita in Ucraina pe care trebuia sa o efectueze acum cateva zile.

http://luminasfanta.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/call-of-duty.jpg?w=348&h=495

^^ :rofl:

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Speculatia asta circula din nou....la un alt nivel:

Johannis in calculele liberalilor
SIBIU STANDARD (http://www.sibiustandard.ro/23669/johannis-in-calculele-liberalilor.html): Editorial - 03 Martie 2009


Tot mai mult circula pe holurile liberale numele lui Klaus Johannis. Oarecum ciudata combinatie, avand in vedere preocuparea liberalilor, in acest moment, pentru alegerea conducerii centrale a partidului. Dar, cum nimic nu e intamplator in bucatariile interne ale politicii mioritice, explicatia off the record e ca viitorul candidat al PNL pentru prezidentiale nu va fi presedintele partidului, oricare va fi acesta. Ci nimeni altul decat primarul Sibiului, Klaus Johannis. Cel care nu s-a dezis niciodata de PNL, chiar daca i-a mai criticat ministrii - vezi episodul Vosganian si taxele locale transferate la bugetul de stat. Iar explicatiile aduse de liberali se mai lipesc cu o realitate - Johannis nu pare sa ii slabeasca mai deloc pe democrat-liberalii pastoriti, inainte de 2004, de Traian Basescu. De aproape un an, Klaus Johannis face tot mai mult spatiu in ziarele centrale inclusiv cu reactii la deciziile luate de Guverne. Apare in sondaje intocmite la nivel national, nu se sfieste sa dea declaratii politice, a intrat in caruselul acestora. Da replici si asteapta, la randul sau, replici. Al caror joc il continua, cu interesul tacit al presei care il vede ca un "subiect bun de presa".
Ideea "Johannis candidat la prezidentiale" nu este una noua. Doar ca, inainte vreme, era promovata indeosebi de lideri locali care si-ar fi dorit un astfel de scenariu doar pentru a "elibera" Sibiul de un candidat cu o sustinere atat de mare. Acum, insa, daca liberalii au intr-adevar un astfel de calcul facut de la centru, scenariul pare mult mai usor de pus in practica. De la Sibiu. De la Bucuresti, orgoliile sunt, insa, mult prea mari

^^ Omu' are coloana vertebrala. Nu-l vad eu sa intre in troaca liberala :lol:

He looks presidential ....even Isarescu is impressed


http://www.expressibian.com/images-up/23_05_2008_johannis-se-gandeste-la-cotroceni_3190.jpg

ZIUA ONLINE (http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?data=2009-03-04&id=22370)
miercuri, 4 martie 2009

Cetateanul bulgar Marinov Zikolov a fost atasat militar la Ambasada Bulgariei

Cetateanul bulgar Marinov Zikolov, arestat pentru spionaj, a fost atasat militar la Ambasada Bulgariei la Bucuresti pana in anul 2004, au declarat, pentru NewsIn, surse apropiate anchetei. Ambasada Bulgariei la Bucuresti face tot posibilul sa clarifice cazul lui Marinov Zikolov, retinut la Bucuresti pentru spionaj, si ii furnizeaza acestuia protectie legala, informeaza Bulgarian News Network in pagina electronica. Contactata de NewsIn, ambasada a informat ca nu lucreaza marti pentru ca este Ziua Nationala a Bulgariei, si ca va putea fi contactata miercuri.

Anterior, Ministerul de Externe bulgar precizase ca Zikolov nu lucreaza pentru nici o institutie bulgara si ca acesta este considerat nevinovat pana cand va fi condamnat.

Zikolov si subofiterul roman Floricel Achim au fost arestati la Bucuresti luni pentru spionaj in favoarea unei tari terte, care nu este membra UE si NATO. bnn precizeaza ca oficial, Romania nu acuza Bulgaria de spionaj, iar actiunile lui Zikolov nu au nicio legatura cu Sofia. Mai multe ziare romanesti afirmau marti, citand surse judiciare, ca tara care beneficia de informatiile furnizate de Achim si transmise mai departe de cetateanul bulgar este Rusia. Insa Zikolov a declarat anchetatorilor ca era in relatii de prietenie cu un reprezentant al Ucrainei la Bucuresti, care i-a spus ca este interesat de informatii militare, pentru care "platea" 800-1000 de dolari.

Subofiterul MApN Floricel Achim, avand la activ cursuri speciale de pregatire in domeniul informatiilor criptate, este suspectat ca in perioada 2002-2007, a procurat documente cu caracter secret de stat si documente a caror importanta face ca divulgarea lor sa pericliteze siguranta statului, constand in sistemul de comunicatii militare, frecvente radar, harti standard NATO, scheme si harti ale unor subunitati si tehnici militare, indicative ale unitatilor militare si planuri de aparare.

Z.O.

Articol disponibil la adresa http://www.ziua.net/news.php?id=22370&data=2009-03-04

Source (http://www.focus-fen.net/?id=n172950)
Bulgarian Zikulov – center of information business

4 March 2009 | 08:31 | FOCUS News Agency


Bucharest. Bulgarian Petar Marinov Zikulov involved in spying deals is a former military attaché of Bulgaria in Bucharest, Romanian Adevarul daily writes.

Petar Marinov Zikulov served as Bulgaria’s military attaché in Bucharest between 1998 and 2000. He graduated from the defense academy in Sofia. He was major in the parachute troops and has a career of an intelligence officer. Once he received the quality of a military attaché, he was appointed in Bucharest to the post we have talked about, said military analyst Radu Tudor.

Between 1998 and 2000 he worked as Bulagria’s military attaché in Bucharest. In 2000 he returned to Sofia and was moved to the reserves. In 2001 he came back to Romania with his family, settled down in Romania and laid the foundations of the spying network, which was uncovered by the chief prosecutor’s office, by the special unit Directorate for Investigation and Fight against Organized Crime and Terrorism. This person is a center of the entire business with information, the analyst said.

“When the operations started the problem with the arrest of a citizen of a neighboring country that is a NATO member arose. In the EU, like in Romania, arrests are not easy. You have to consult your partners. The confirmation that he is not part of any Bulgarian structure came from Sofia immediately, alongside Romanian state’s freedom to do whatever it wants with him,” said Radu Tudor.

Floricel Achim and Bulgarian Petar Zikulov face espionage charges. The two met in public places. Achim provided Zikulov with documents and the Bulgarian gave him money.

According to Romanian Intelligence Service /SRI/ the Bulgarian worked in Romania as a secret agent of foreign secret services and was hired by Floricel Achim with access to classified information.

^^ Johannis for president!!!

Criza favorizează celulita

Din cauza ratelor, româncele au lăsat-o mai moale cu tratamentele de remodelare corporală, mergând la salon doar pentru coafură şi manichiură. Cei mai siguri clienţi sunt bărbaţii.
http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/841991/Criza-favorizeaza-celulita/
:rofl:
How about you people move your stinking butts? It costs nothing.:bash:

:cheers:
Dupa ce 158 de deputatii au decis, miercuri, ca Adrian Nastase sa fie urmarit penal de procurorii DNA in dosarele "Matusa Tamara" si "Zambaccian 2", reactiile nu au intarziat sa apara.

"Toti cei 110 deputati ai PD-L au votat "pentru" si inca 48 de parlamentari de la celelalte partide. Se pare ca nimeni nu e in afara legii, speram sa schimbam imaginea Parlamentului cu acest vot", a declarat Mircea Toader, deputat democrat-liberal.

"Cred ca deja acest dosar nu mai poate fi folosit in scop politic, a ajuns la cunosctinta opiniei publice si nu ii mai poate afecta imaginea ca politician", a declarat, miercuri, liberalul Ludovic Orban.

Deputatul PNL, Eugen Nicolaescu, sustine ca participarea la vot este o reactie de consecventa, un lucru normal pentru a ajuta justitia.

"Daca numarati voturile pentru inceperea urmaririi penale veti vedea ca nu este acelasi cu cel anuntat inainte. Trebuie sa se stie ca nu ne-am aliat cu PD-L, ci ne-am aliat cu un principiu, ca in orice situatie in care vrem sa ajutam justia, asa cum am facut noi si cu colegul nostru Paul Pacuraru", a spus Nicolaescu.

La randul ei, Roberta Anastase, presedintele Camerei Deputatilor, a multumit colegilor din Camera "pentru votul acordat astazi. Cred ca acesta reprezinta un pas important pentru credibilizarea institutiei parlamentare. In momentul acesta, dosarele lui Adrian Nastase pleaca in Justitie si sper ca acesta sa aiba parte de Justitie corecta'.
www.ziare.com

Am citit si eu stirea acum :D
Great news. Sa speram ca se va ajunge si la o pedeapsa de genu inchisoare :)

He looks presidential ....even Isarescu is impressed

http://www.expressibian.com/images-up/23_05_2008_johannis-se-gandeste-la-cotroceni_3190.jpg

^^ Johannis for president!!!
Poate doar in Ardeal, miticii nu o sa voteze niciodata un "strain" :ohno:

Poate doar in Ardeal, miticii nu o sa voteze niciodata un "strain" :ohno:

l-au votat pe Iliescu si nea Ion e mult mai strain. :lol:

http://www.mlnr.ro/frameSetRo.php

Spionul bulgar, Zikolov Marinov, arestat luni la Bucuresti pentru spionaj pare sa aibe legaturi cu masonii romani.

Traseul afacerilor bulgarului in Romania, din ultimii trei ani, se intersecteaza, in mod surprinzator, cu asociatii unor importanti oameni de afaceri locali, cu legaturi la varf in masoneria romana.

Ceea ce poate sa arate fie ca bulgarul este membru al masoneriei, fie ca el avea drept tinta si penetrarea acestei organizatii, realteaza vot.ro.

Zikolov face afaceri in Romania de opt ani, dupa ce un timp a facut parte din ambasada Bulgariei de la Bucuresti.

In una dintre firmele cu care bulgarul a lucrat, grupul BFA, asociati sunt Florin Burculescu si seful masoneriei romane, Eugen Ovidiu Chirovici.

Alt nume important al masoneriei romane, George Radu Serafim (contracandidatul lui Eugen Ovidiu Chirovici la ultimele alegeri pentru functia de Mare Maestru al Marii Loji Nationale din Romania, din 2006) apare si el ca asociat, intr-o alta firma, cu Florin Burculescu, Aurelia Cacuci, Alisa Lazarescu, si Doru Surducan (alt nume vehiculat ca fiind membru al MLNR).
www.ziare.com

J5JHsoP8R_0

:lol:

Saltutare Stimabililor !

1. nea Agarici ala Floricel sau cum ii zice e un idiot notoriu si nutresc speranta ca din momentul in care SRI si DIA au aflat de "manevre" l-au indopat cu fel si fel de informatii ( false sau trunchiate ) ca sa-i dea castravetelui ( a se citi bulgarului ) ce-si dorea el mai mult si mai mult....o practica destul de curenta pe-acolo ...se cheama intoxicare..

- lucru pe care la prezentat si D-nul Profesor Talpes

2. ..ca prin alianta sau pura intamplare asociati ai unor firme care fac atingere / colaboreaza / au relatii de afaceri cu ale nevestei lu' Agarici / Floricel ...sunt si ceva masoni poate fii pura INTAMPLARE sau un stimul de genu' ( hai ca-ti facem noi ceva rulaj tu da-nainte cu informatiile-n bulgar sa le dea mai departe ) "hai sa facem si biznis"....

3. chiar daca risc sa ma calce vreunul cu masina pe trecere....pai fratilor , masonii nu fac altceva decat sa divida si sa conduca ( divide et impera ! ) , extrapoland un pic - iau / fura / organizeaza informatii de la unii le manaresc si ei dupa care le dau la altii in asa fel incat sa-si poata sporii macar un pic influenta / ele si-n asa fel incat sa poata conduce cat mai mult ( vorbim la nivel global ) ....and hey , pentru cei care nu stiau...chestia asta se cam intampla de ceva vreme !

4. de-aia zic ...pedepse groaznice pentru asemenea fapte si penru altele similare care aduc atingere SIGURANTEI NATIONALE , RESURSELOR NATURALE NATIONALE , IDENTITATII POPORULUI ROMAN , SECURITATII SALE s.a.m.d

Va fii de-ajuns sa traznesti vreo 5-6 ici-colo si poate se vor mai indrepta un pic lucrurile

:cheers:

:lol:

nici macar nu e original

BBQUiEIsC1U

sau de buna calitate.

^^ pupatori in basescu... :ohno:

^^ pupatori in basescu... :ohno:

Eu...cu Basescu? :ohno: Badea e cam prost si face "umor" de foarte proasta calitate.

^^

nu stiu daca e "umor", dar e de ras, ca siguranta nationala sta in mainile subofiterului Floricel. :hammer:

daca era GENERALUL Floare intelegeam :lol:

^^

nu stiu daca e "umor", dar e de ras, ca siguranta nationala sta in mainile subofiterului Floricel. :hammer:

daca era GENERALUL Floare intelegeam :lol:

Floroi.


Lasand mistoul lui Badea la o parte, chestia asta e foarte serioasa, in ciuda numelui de pudel al subofiterului roman implicat. Cine crede ca adevarul iese pe gura lui Badea cred ca exagerea un pic cu TV-ul.

Floroi.


Lasand mistoul lui Badea la o parte, chestia asta e foarte serioasa, in ciuda numelui de pudel al subofiterului roman implicat. Cine crede ca adevarul iese pe gura lui Badea cred ca exagerea un pic cu TV-ul.

badea dauneaza grav IQ-ului

Floroi.


Lasand mistoul lui Badea la o parte, chestia asta e foarte serioasa, in ciuda numelui de pudel al subofiterului roman implicat. Cine crede ca adevarul iese pe gura lui Badea cred ca exagerea un pic cu TV-ul.
Eu cred ca s-a facut din tantar armasar.

Am trecut si eu prin armata (sunt ofiter in rezerva) si pot sa va spun ca orice "rahat" era secret si ultra-secret, trebuia sa parcurgem proceduri peste proceduri pentru a avea acces la "nimic"

Nu e vorba, individul a vandut secrete si se face vinovat de tradare, dar "amenintarea sigurantei nationale" mi se pare trasa de par, parca umflata artificial pentru a mai distrage atentia "pulimii" de la cat de catastrofal conduc FSN-istii tara in perioada asta de criza (sau pt. tiraj).

:shifty:

Spionul Petar Zikolov a lucrat 10 luni pentru serviciile secrete romanesti (http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?data=2009-03-04&id=22452)

:rofl: Povestea asta e mai buna decat o telenovela portugheza cu tot felul de intorsaturi ale intrigii.

^^ :lol: hehe SIE si SRI sa traiasca :cheers:

Daca vreti sa radeti sau sa plangeti aruncati un ochi pe forumul asta:
http://www.theobamaforum.com/index.php

nu stiu daca ati vazut emisiunea de pe A3 cu oprescu. am zis ca poate poate....

cred ca a fost una dintre cele mai ude emisiuni posibile.... limbi din toate partile! incredibil ! iar eu credeam ca baietii aia (gadea, mojicul cu laptopul & co) sunt destul de incisivi.

^^ :lol: hehe SIE si SRI sa traiasca :cheers:

^^

Potrivit sursei citate, agentul bulgar, despre care SRI sustinea ca este angajatul altor servicii de specialitate din strainatate, le-a prezentat anchetatorilor romani activitatile pe care le-a desfasurat in tara noastra, inclusiv lista colaboratorilor din mai multe tari.
Hotnews (http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-ultima_ora-5466172-spionul-bulgar-lucra-pentru-serviciile-secrete-romanesti-din-iunie-2008.htm)

Daca e adevarat, SIE si SRI au dat o lovitura grea unor retele de spionaj rusesti din mai multe tari. God job, guys! :applause:

^^ cum poate sa va pacaleasca SIE si SRI ca mai fac si altceva decat sa asculte telefoane. :lol:

sunteti numai buni sa puneti stampila pe chelu' peste cateva luni. :okay:

^^ Eram sigur ca urma replica devastatoare a lui Luci a la M. Badea. :D

^^ pai daca puneti botu' asa usor (sa zic tot a' la Badea :D)

voi credeti ca KGB-ul sta in "floricele" ? auzi la el, "o lovitura grea"... :hilarious

La naiba, au avut 10 ani un "colaborator" in fruntea statului. :bash:

Un pupinbadea sau pupinbadel... ca sa zic asa.:lol::jk:

discutia asta e mai nostima decat oricare monolog a lu' Badea.

^^ prefer sa fiu pupinmircist decat pupinbasesc. ;)

macar cu Badea ma identific. mereu am fost un nonconformist, miserupist, gigicontra, nesimtit.

am impresia ca voi credeti ca inainte eram ca voi, increzator in "structurle" statului, in competenta lor fara limite, dar venii scarba de Badea (pus de Felix) si-mi schimba tot sistemul de valori.

:nuts:

am impresia ca voi credeti ca inainte eram ca voi, increzator in "structurle" statului, in competenta lor fara limite, dar venii scarba de Badea (pus de Felix) si-mi schimba tot sistemul de valori.

:nuts:

mai degraba invers

mai degraba invers
I-am schimbat eu lui Badea sistemul de valori? :banana:

ZIUA (http://www.ziua.ro/display.php?data=2009-03-05&id=250117)
Acordurile cu Rusia il asteapta pe seful Romaniei

Problematica Tezaurului Romaniei depus la Moscova in timpul primului Razboi Mondial face obiectul discutiilor Comisiei comune romano-ruse pentru studierea problemelor izvorate din istoria relatiilor bilaterale, ne-a precizat MAE, raspunzand unei solicitari.

Aceasta Comisie a fost creata in baza Declaratiei comune a ministrilor afacerilor externe roman si rus semnata la 4 iulie 2003, concomitent cu Tratatul politic de baza.

Pana in acest moment, Comisia a avut trei sesiuni, ulterior partea rusa refuzand sa dea curs invitatiilor repetate ale partii romane. In cadrul recentelor discutii bilaterale la nivel de ministri ai afacerilor externe (februarie 2009), partea romana a solicitat sprijinul partii ruse in vederea impulsionarii organizarii unei noi sesiuni a acestei comisii in cel mai scurt timp posibil. Cu ocazia preconizatei vizite a presedintelui Traian Basescu la Moscova sunt pregatite de semnare mai multe acorduri importante inclusiv Acordul intre Guvernul Romaniei si Guvernul Federatiei Ruse privind colaborarea economica si Acordul intre Guvernul Romaniei si Guvernul Federatiei Ruse privind colaborarea tehnico-militara. Totodata MAE considera ca si negocierile privind alte documente vor fi finalizate pentru a facilita semnarea lor cu ocazia vizitei lui Basescu. (M.I.)

Articol disponibil la adresa http://www.ziua.net/display.php?id=250117&data=2009-03-05

Daca s-ar fi stiut ca am fi reusit sa invingem la Marasesti,Marasti si Oituz si-acum aveam tezaurul..

This forum seems to be tanking in sync with the global economy. Why is it so hard to keep a website running? Even Microsoft can manage that without much fuss.

del

Numero due: Miron Mitrea a fost trimis in judecata :)
ziare.com

Numero due: Miron Mitrea a fost trimis in judecata :)
da, al numero due http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6793/jerkofflb3.gif

Tariceanu e http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6793/jerkofflb3.gif ... ca el i-a protejat ...

CLUJ: Rroma City este noul proiect al Primariei


Primaria Cluj vrea sa construiasca un cartier pentru tigani, la periferia orasului. Decizia survine dupa numeroase reclamatii primite de municipalitate in privinta mizeriei si scandalurilor. Tiganii traiesc in conditii improprii, fara canalizare, fara constructii adecvate unui trai uman. Si ei doresc sa se mute cat mai grabnic de pe actuala locatie .

Viceprimarul Laszlo Attila a fost invitat la Realitatea TV Cluj unde a discutat problema Rroma City. Primaria considera ca decizia luata este una corecta, intrucat incearca sa se evite amenzile Garzii de Mediu. La fel, locatarii de etnie roma pe str. Cantonului si Coastei, pun in pericol inclusiv traficul feroviar.

Municipalitatea vrea sa puna la dispozitia tiganilor teren, pe care acestia ar urma sa isi construiasca singuri locuintele. Pana la 30 martie trebuie identificat terenul, iar in 30 septembrie constructia ar trebui sa demareze - pe terenul deja viabilizat de Primarie.

Tiganii au intampinat pozitiv initiativa municipalitatii si au declarat ca spera ca aceasta sa nu fie din nou doar o simpla promisiune, ca toate celelalte din ultimii 20 de ani. Tiganii sint nemultumiti de actualele conditii in care traiesc si spera ca dupa relocare situatia lor sa se imbunatateasca.

Florin Moisa, presedintele executiv al Centrului de Resurse pentru Comunitatile de Romi s-a aratat insa nemultumit de construirea unui "ghetou" pentru locuitorii de pe Coastei si Cantonului. Viceprimarul Clujului a declarat ca intelege pozitia lui Moisa, dar ca aceasta este singura solutie pentru a ridica nivelul de trai al tiganilor.

La randul lor, locatarii cartierului unde traiesc in prezent peste o mie de tigani, au declarat reporterilor ca ar vedea cu ochi buni relocarea acestora, ei sustinand ca actiunile vecinilor lor tigani sunt de natura sa ii sperie: focuri lasate fara supraveghere, grupuri galagioase - noptile etc.
Sursa (http://www.domnuleprimar.ro/CLUJ-Rroma-City-este-noul-proiect-Primariei-dpe-s-1-a6018.htm)

da, al numero due http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6793/jerkofflb3.gif

Poţi să termini cu comentariile astea de bufet? Nu înţeleg ce scop urmăreşti dar observ că n-ai mai nimic inteligent de zis. Nu crezi în justiţie...am înţeles dar de ce crezi că trebuie să ne aminteşti asta de trei ori pe zi?

^^ Si eu sustin punctul de vedere a lui Tomis. Luci, devii iritant cu mistourile tale de prost gust. Te rog sa incetezi.

Tariceanu e http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6793/jerkofflb3.gif ... ca el i-a protejat ...
nu e vorba de asta...

Miron Mitrea a fost trimis in judecata de DNA, alaturi de Irina Jianu, in legatura cu lucrarile la casa din Baneasa a mamei sale.

e vorba de laba de justitie pe care o avem in tara asta de rahat. au furat nenorocitii miliarde, impreuna cu toata sleahta (fi tu sigur ca au furat cot la cot cu PD-isti si PNL-isti) iar penibilii astia ii cerceteaza pentru termopane si o camera in plus la casa mamei. adica pentru lucruri pt care o sa primeasca in cel mai bun caz pedeapsa cu suspendare, in loc sa fie anchetati impreuna cu banditii ceilalti pt chestii serioase.

dar se pare ca functioneaza, p.c. exista o gramada de indivzi care se extaziaza aiurea, imaginandu-si ca DNA-ul si restul "structurlor" functioneaza si lupta eroic impotriva coruptiei.

^^ Si eu sustin punctul de vedere a lui Tomis. Luci, devii iritant cu mistourile tale de prost gust. Te rog sa incetezi.

O sa scriu de 57834216178923461 ori ca nu cred in frectia asta de justitie pe care o avem, iar tu si cu Tomis nu ai decat sa te iriti. Nu o sa-mi inchizi tu gura. Nu te intereseaza, da-mi ignore si gata.

nu e vorba de asta...

e vorba de laba de justitie pe care o avem in tara asta de rahat. au furat nenorocitii miliarde, impreuna cu toata sleahta (fi tu sigur ca au furat cot la cot cu PD-isti si PNL-isti) iar penibilii astia ii cerceteaza pentru termopane si o camera in plus la casa mamei. adica pentru lucruri pt care o sa primeasca in cel mai bun caz pedeapsa cu suspendare, in loc sa fie anchetati impreuna cu banditii ceilalti pt chestii serioase.

dar se pare ca functioneaza, p.c. exista o gramada de indivzi care se extaziaza aiurea, imaginandu-si ca DNA-ul si restul "structurlor" functioneaza si lupta eroic impotriva coruptiei.

Luci, eu stau si ma intreb cateodata daca tu gandesti mai departe de ceea ce vezi la Badea.

Nastase e anchetat in doua dosare numite simbolic "Zambaccian" (sau termopanele, in limbajul lui Badea) si "Matusa Tamara".

In primul dosar, Nastase e acuzat ca a primit mita mobilier special adus din China cu vaporul (pe care nu l-a platit sau pe care l-a platit cu salariul de prim-ministru, poti sa crezi ce vrei, e inca nevinovat).

In al doilea dosar, Nastase tre' sa explice de unde sunt milioanele de Euro facute de matusa lui "Tamara" care locuia ca orice pensionar intr-un apartament de bloc si avea vreo 70 ani la momentul la care "a facut" banii lasati mostenire.

Si inca ceva: Capone a omorat multi oameni si a facut o gramada de bani din trafic de bautura. Dar a fost condamnat pentru ca nu a platit taxele la statul american.

^^
Apropos de Capone, sunt curios daca dupa Nastase si Mitrea vor urma Capone de Constanta si cu Bulgarele de Slana [Nicusor Constantinescu]. Ma-ndoiesc ca se va intampla mare lucru. Totusi PSD e la putere ...

* Primarul Mazăre, într-un pictorial pentru Playboy (http://www.telegrafonline.ro/1236204000/articol/79424/primarul_mazare_intrun_pictorial_pentru_playboy.html)

http://www.telegrafonline.ro/galerie_art/mari/79424/a3a66283ba004b95f74f19895b54719a.jpg
http://www.telegrafonline.ro/galerie_art/mari/79424/48bb6fd4742eb5153eaa13bed89cd7bd.jpg

^^
Crede-ma ca nu ma face sa ma simt mai bine. Eu sunt sigur ca o sa ia pedeapsa cu suspendare (daca nu o sa-l achite oricum), si chiar daca o sa-l bage in puscarie (foarte mici sanse) problema e ca nu vroiam sa inchida gura oamenilor cu niste acuzatii subtiri, ca sa scape toti "colaboratorii" lui care au furat miliarde (cum traseismul politic in tara e in floare, posibil sa fie acum la PD-L sau PNL).

faza oarecum similara cu procesul lui Ceausescu. poate merita sa fie executat, dar voiam un proces adevarat sa "traga dupa el" o gramada de nomenclaturisti.

Tre să vedeţi clipul ăsta cu Jon Stewart vs. CNBC.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/05/jon-stewart-eviscerates-c_n_172057.html

Luci, eu stau si ma intreb cateodata daca tu gandesti mai departe de ceea ce vezi la Badea.
Si eu stau si ma intreb daca citesti tot ce scriu, sau numai ce vrei. :ohno:

De luni de zile "cant" aici ca dispretul/neincrederea mea fata de justiatia romana se trage de la experienta personala (a familiei mai precis), nu pt ca "vai de mine" Badea mi-a bagat asta in cap. :ohno:

ca sa-ti intorc complimentul:

Si eu stau si ma intreb cateodata daca tu gandesti mai departe de ceea ce zice baselu' sau vre-un latrau de-al lui.

"Primarul Mazăre, într-un pictorial pentru Playboy

Aka Gangsta ... Iti dai seama cat creier are (nevoie) imbecilul asta?! :ohno:

Aka Gangsta ... Iti dai seama cat creier are (nevoie) imbecilul asta?! :ohno:

Cum dracu îl suportă cetăţenii pe idiotul ăsta?

Pai daca altii n-au facut nimic inaintea lui ... cu ce sa compari?!:ohno:

Tre să vedeţi clipul ăsta cu Jon Stewart vs. CNBC.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/05/jon-stewart-eviscerates-c_n_172057.html

:lol: tareeee :hahaha:

^^

A aparut si pe youtube

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In a cover story in the American Conservative in January 2005 I documented the remarkable degree to which East Asian governments have been persuading the Boeing corporation to transfer proprietary American aerospace technology. Soon afterwards Unsustainable.org crashed and it was intimated to me by someone who seemed to know that the problem had been instigated by political interests offended by my article. After a lapse of more than three years this person surfaced again today to hint that this website may soon be interfered with again. My response is to re-post the offending article, which, in view of America's current economic crisis, is more relevant than ever. Eamonn Fingleton

One evening a generation ago, several up-and-coming aerospace executives gathered to commune with the Boeing aircraft company's chief executive Thornton Wilson. The discussion turned to Boeing's vaunted expertise in making aircraft wings. Wilson evidently came across as boastful—so much so that a young General Electric executive named Harry Stonecipher suggested that Boeing was arrogant. "And rightly so," came Wilson's serene reply.


The exchange, which was recorded in Fortune magazine a few years ago, is worth recalling partly for what has happened to Stonecipher in the meantime—and partly for what has happened to Boeing.

In a remarkable twist of fate, Stonecipher now fills Wilson's old job at Boeing. But whereas the Boeing that Wilson led in the 1970s utterly dominated the skies, today's Boeing is another matter. Its once masterful technological leadership is gone and, in an orgy of indiscriminate outsourcing, Stonecipher is presiding over the destruction of what remains of Boeing's erstwhile manufacturing greatness—not least the world-beating wing business that was the apple of Wilson's eye.

As the American press has latterly come to realize, Boeing is an embattled company. But while the media has focused on a defense contracting scandal that has recently engulfed the company, this is a tempest in a teacup compared to the real story: the unpublicized tragedy of Boeing's rapidly declining competitiveness. After decades of short-sighted management, Boeing has become so hollowed out that the impact is clearly visible in America's rapidly worsening trade deficits. Indeed, respected experts fear Boeing is already so enfeebled that it may be forced to exit its core business in commercial airliners within a decade. This in turn would undermine its defense business, with distinctly ominous implications for America's long-term security. Just how important that business is can be judged from the fact that, after decades of industry consolidation, the Boeing group now subsumes most of the contractors that executed the Apollo moon project.


Part of the problem is that Airbus, a puny also-ran in Wilson's time, has recently leapfrogged to global leadership in airliner sales. But a larger part is a sea change in Boeing's concept of itself. In a philosophical metamorphosis whose significance has been lost on the American press, Boeing is now pleased to call itself a "systems integrator." An unfortunate echo of the New Economy bubble, this self-description effectively reduces America's most Olympian manufacturer to the level of a thousand catch-as-catch-can software consultancies. Boeing's top management has presided over one of the most lamentable downsizing programs in American corporate history. Not only has the Boeing group cut 100,000 jobs in the last seven years, but it has more or less throttled its research and development department. All this while spending $10 billion to "enhance shareholder value" in a buy-back of one-sixth of its outstanding stock.


The key to the new Boeing is a Faustian bargain with Japan. In a rerun of earlier American industrial implosions, Boeing has come to rely more and more on Japanese contractors for its most advanced engineering and manufacturing. Heavily subsidized by the Tokyo government, Boeing's Japanese partners are delighted to lowball their contract prices and spend heavily on the sort of advanced research and development that in happier times Boeing would have eagerly—indeed jealously—reserved for itself.
All this powerfully props up Boeing's short-term profits. But what's in it for Japan? Plenty. Not only have Boeing's orders long kept Japanese factories nicely ticking, but recently, in a stunning move that has hitherto gone virtually unnoticed in the United States, Tokyo has prevailed on Boeing to transfer large quantities of previously secret American aerospace know-how to a government-funded Japanese aerospace consortium. Adding salt to the American economy's wounds is that much of this expertise was built with subsidies from U.S. taxpayers.


In effect, Boeing is burning the family heirlooms to keep the house warm. First into the fire went some throwaway items from the attic, quickly followed by the Empire chaise and the Chippendale chairs. Now a desperate Boeing is torching the Vermeers and Canalettos. This despite the fact that many of these are held in trust for an absent relative—an agreeable bag-holder by the name of Uncle Sam.
Boeing's deeply embittered engineers prefer an even more controversial—if distinctly vulgar—metaphor. Outraged at the prone position they have been asked to adopt towards their information-gathering Japanese counterparts, they have been quoted by author Karl Sabbagh as referring to Boeing's technology-transfer deal with Japan as the "open kimono" policy. The erstwhile titan of the American aerospace industry is, of course, the one in the kimono.
Just how far Boeing has fallen will be extensively documented later this year when the aerospace experts David Pritchard and Alan MacPherson publish a scholarly analysis of Boeing's "systems integration" policy. Their paper, which will appear in the UK-based journal R&D Management, is likely to cause a firestorm in Washington. Here, based on an advance look at their draft, are some of the points they make:

* More of the 7E7, Boeing's major new plane due for launch in 2008, will probably be built in Japan than in the United States.

* In total, nearly 70 percent of the 7E7's manufacturing content will come from foreign sources. This compares with foreign content of just 2 percent in the Boeing 727, which was launched in the 1960s.

* The Boeing 777—the most advanced Boeing so far launched--contains about 30 percent foreign content. There is no domestic production for the plane's center wing box or its aft and forward fuselage sections.

* Boeing's product line is rapidly ageing and its backlogs are low--a signal that further precipitous drops in domestic production are ahead. Production on four of its six commercial product lines (the 747, the 757, the 767, and the 717) is likely to cease within the next few years. This would leave only the 737 and 777 in production until the 7E7 comes on line.

* Boeing spent a mere 3.5 percent of its revenues on research and development in 2003. By comparison, Airbus spent 9.5 percent. Boeing moreover allocated only 1 percent of its 2003 revenues to capital investment, compared to Airbus's 9.1 percent.

*Boeing's technology transfers to Japan include vital new-materials know-how acquired in an eight-year joint research program with NASA. The materials concerned are composites used in both wings and fuselage.

*Boeing has become so hollowed out that its sales should no longer qualify for lucrative federal export incentives such as Ex-Im Bank loans and foreign sales corporation tax status.

As Pritchard and MacPherson point out, a particularly telling indicator of Boeing's decline is that the Japanese will make the wings for the 7E7. Not only that, Boeing has been prevailed on to transfer its wing-making know-how to a Japanese-government-sponsored consortium.
In outsourcing the 7E7's wings, Boeing is crossing an economic Rubicon. Apart from the Boeing 717, which was not a true-born Boeing, no Boeing plane has ever flown on foreign wings. (The 717 is a souped-up DC9, and its presence in the Boeing catalog reflects Boeing's takeover of McDonnell Douglas in 1997. McDonnell Douglas, it should be added, pioneered many of the eat-the-seed-corn tactics Boeing has now embraced.)


In the past, Boeing has always maintained a tight grip on the wing-making process. Whereas in the 1980s and 1990s it let Japan make an increasing array of wing sub-components, these were merely assorted "widgets" churned out to Boeing designs. Now a Japanese aerospace consortium will have full design control and will make its own decisions about which contractors and subcontractors make the myriad widgets. If past is prologue, Boeing will never again regain control of wing-making. For one thing, the Japanese suppliers will have the advantage henceforth of more modern tools and a generally more advanced understanding of the technology.
It is hard to exaggerate the significance of all this. As was obvious to Thornton Wilson all those years ago, Boeing's erstwhile global dominance in jet planes was founded on its wing-making secrets. Indeed, when Japanese contractors began to take on an increasingly important role in making aircraft components in the 1980s, Boeing instituted elaborate procedures to control the movements of visiting Japanese engineers at its offices and factories. As Louis Uchitelle of the New York Times recorded in 1989, Boeing's prime concern was to hide its wing-making secrets from industrial spies.


In truth, the challenges entailed in designing and machining wings for large passenger jets are far more daunting than lay observers might imagine. To come up with an aerodynamically efficient shape, engineers must spend thousands of hours testing endless possibilities in huge 600-miles-per-hour wind tunnels. Then the challenge is to make the final design both strong and light, a delicate balancing act that is not made any easier by a further requirement: everything must be machined to tolerances measured in thousandths of an inch. The slightest dimensional error can produce disproportionate aeronautical consequences. Just how disproportionate can be gauged from a well-known law of aeronautics: air resistance increases with the square of an object's speed. Thus the resistance encountered at 500 miles per hour is fully 100 times greater than at 50 miles per hour.
It is therefore hardly overstating things to say that the wings are to a plane what the sound box is to a violin—its defining feature. Just as a violin is not a Stradivarius without a sound box made in Cremona by Antonio Stradivari, a plane can hardly be considered a Boeing without wings made in the United States by the Boeing company.


Perhaps the best indicator of the challenges involved in making airliner wings is that, apart from the United States, only one nation, Britain, boasts a serious record in the field. British Aerospace's wing-making capability is one of Britain's few remaining world-class manufacturing businesses. Its technology in turn has been a key driver of the success of Airbus, which is backed by the governments of France, Germany, Spain, and, of course, Britain.


Wing-making is one of the most advanced sub-sectors of one of the world's most advanced manufacturing industries. But since the United States has been in general retreat from advanced manufacturing for three decades, why should we care what happens to what remains of America's manufacturing heritage? Manufacturing matters for three key reasons:

1. Manufacturing jobs generally provide better wages than equivalent service jobs because worker productivity is generally leveraged by more capital and more proprietary know-how.
2. Manufacturing provides an abundance of jobs for people of ordinary ability as opposed to the Ph.D. types who get many of the jobs at, say, Microsoft. It thus closely matches the job-creation needs of society.
3. Manufacturing companies are big exporters. In my book In Praise of Hard Industries, I calculated that per unit of output American manufacturing businesses export about eleven times as much as service businesses.

Few manufacturing businesses score better on these three criteria than the airliner industry. Even if it were not so closely intertwined with America's national defense, the industry would still be of pivotal geopolitical importance. The point is that it has long been America's biggest export earner. Unfortunately, America's imports of aircraft and aircraft parts now equal 45 percent of its exports, up from just 5 percent in the 1960s.


Boeing's resort to outsourcing explains much of the increase—and it comes at a time when Americans are rediscovering the importance of trade. For a while in the 1990s, it became fashionable to say that "the trade deficits don't matter" and that the United States could with impunity allow its export industries to die on the vine, but this is now becoming widely recognized as a self-serving canard of the foreign-trade lobby. Certainly the Bush administration can hardly feel secure in the knowledge that the only thing standing between the dollar and total collapse is a massive support operation by the Japanese and Chinese.


As Jack Davis, a prominent advocate of an American manufacturing revival, points out, the ramifications of Boeing's decline extend way beyond aerospace. "We're not just losing the airliner industry, but all the scientific, engineering and technological know-how that goes with it," says Davis. "We are talking here about advanced composites, glass, aluminum, titanium materials technology, the castings and foundry industries, precision tooling and machining, not to mention avionics. And since these technologies are used in jet fighters, bombers, tankers and space vehicles, we're hitting the defense industry as well as the commercial aerospace industry."


Perhaps the most devastating aspect of Boeing's implosion is what it says about America's overall economic strategy. A principal element of that strategy has been free trade. And for proponents of free trade, Boeing has long been Exhibit A—supposedly unimpeachable evidence that advanced American manufacturers have little to fear and much to gain from the globalists' New World Order.


When some of us in the 1980s and 1990s warned that "one-way free trade" was gutting American manufacturing, we were dismissed as Chicken Littles. American manufacturing was not declining, we were told, but rather triumphantly reinventing itself. Free trade might sweep away inefficient, low-tech manufacturers—"buggy whip makers" in our opponents' favored terminology—but America was going from strength to strength in more advanced industries such as aerospace. And true enough, all through the 1980s when the alleged buggy whip makers—companies like Zenith, Xerox, and Chrysler—fell like ninepins before foreign competition, Boeing seemed like a gratifying exception. At least it did to anyone who did not look too closely. As late as 1990, Newsweek described concern about Japan's targeting of various aerospace technologies as "overwrought" and opined that America enjoyed "a lead over Japan that would be difficult to squander."


Of course, as far as Boeing is concerned there is no problem. It paints its downsizing not only as inevitable but as a good thing. Unfortunately its excuses are, for the most part, transparent nonsense.


Start with the notion that it is now a "systems integrator." To those who can't see through business jargon, a "systems integrator" may sound more impressive than a mere manufacturer. In reality it is a cop-out, as a glance at some of the industry's other systems integrators makes clear. Embraer of Brazil is a systems integrator. So is Shenyang Aircraft of China. Like the new Boeing, these companies lack the advanced know-how and machinery to make key components in a modern first-world plane. Instead they must import such components from more advanced manufacturers in Japan and Europe.


Boeing's outsourcing is often excused as merely reflecting a desire to have routine, low-skilled work done cheaply in low-wage countries. This might make sense if Boeing were moving jobs mainly to India or Bangladesh. In reality, about 60 percent of Boeing's foreign-sourced work is done in Japan. While in the 1970s and 1980s companies like Zenith and Xerox had some excuse for going to Japan, any shift of American work to Japan is now an admission of managerial failure. Measured against the dollar, the yen today stands at more than two-and-a-half times its level of 1985. Once a cheap-labor country, Japan today stands virtually at the top of the world wages table with wage rates between 10 and 30 percent higher than in the United States. Boeing's decision to buy more and more from Japan is therefore the economic equivalent of water running uphill.


The plot thickens when you realize that foreign outsourcing has not always been a factor in the American aircraft industry. In fact, in the 1950s, the heyday of America's domination of the skies, American planes were made virtually in their entirety with American labor, despite the fact that American wages were then six times those in Japan and four times those in Germany.


Boeing's first experiment with foreign contracting came in the 1960s when, in a quid pro quo for plane purchases by a government-owned Japanese airline, Boeing undertook to buy some Japanese-made components. Similar side deals—known as "offsets"—were soon concluded with other industrially ambitious nations.


Although the early offset deals were small, they proved to be the thin end of a rather thick wedge. By the 1980s, the Japanese alone were making 15 percent of the Boeing 767, and that is modest compared to the plans for the 7E7. Japanese manufacturers are officially expected to make 35 percent of the plane, but unofficial estimates put their share far higher because in addition to delivering huge fully assembled sections, the Japanese will supply many of the subcomponents needed by Boeing's American and Italian suppliers. An exact calculation is impossible because an undisclosed proportion of the work will be conducted abroad by Boeing itself (in Boeing-owned factories in Canada and Australia), but Pritchard and MacPherson are erring on the low side in suggesting that 70 percent of the new plane will be manufactured outside the United States. While the final assembly work will be done in Seattle, the choice of this location was a token gesture aimed at capturing state tax breaks and cannot cover up the fact that the most sophisticated passenger jet ever built will be more a Japanese achievement than an American one.


The earliest negative impact of the offset system was felt as far back as the 1970s when Boeing's once flourishing roster of American suppliers began to lose orders. One by one such component makers as Avco, Convair, Douglas, Fairchild, Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Northrop, and Rockwell have since been forced to exit the passenger jet business or have even had to shut down entirely. The roster was down to just two as of 2003, compared to ten in the 1970s.
Boeing argues that offsets have often been essential in capturing lucrative export orders over the years. But this is contradicted by Airbus's record. While consistently stonewalling the more damaging requests for offsets, Airbus has nonetheless thrived. As Pritchard and MacPherson point out, Airbus has generally sourced components for each new model initially from within Europe. Only at a later stage in the cycle does it contemplate sourcing from non-European suppliers. By that time, Airbus's European suppliers will have moved on to more advanced work on newer Airbus models.


To be sure, in resisting offset requests, Airbus has enjoyed powerful support from European governments. Rather than countenance the transfer abroad of advanced manufacturing jobs, Airbus's government backers have often dangled landing rights at key European airports. They have also used geopolitics to advantage, particularly in the Middle East, where they capitalize on anti-American feeling.


As for Boeing, although it cannot copy Airbus's tactics in detail, it has often wasted the considerable geopolitical leverage it enjoys. Take the Japanese market, which happens to be the world's second largest. Boeing has rarely needed to give away the store to secure orders from Japan. Quite the contrary, Japan has been more or less a captive market. After all, as the Atlantic's James Fallows has pointed out, U.S.-Japan trade imbalances have long been so large that Tokyo has felt obligated to find ways to boost its purchases of American goods. In the absence of compelling technical reasons to buy European, therefore, Japan's highly regulated airlines surely had little choice but to buy American. This applied up to the late 1990s, when, by dint of scale economies, Boeing enjoyed a commercial edge over Airbus. Certainly, while the transfer of jobs to secure orders has been merely lamentable, the transfer of advanced technology has been utterly inexcusable. Given that Boeing was safe from undercutting by Airbus, it could easily have resisted the more outrageous technology requests, particularly those from Japan.


What is undeniable is that Airbus's refusal to sacrifice jobs and technology has done little to hold it back. Airbus passed Boeing in deliveries of new passenger jets in 2003. Part of the story is an enormous advance by Airbus and part of it is a sales implosion at Boeing. With the help of subsidies from European governments, Airbus's deliveries of completed aircraft increased from less than 100 in 1990 to more than 300 in 2003. By comparison, Boeing's deliveries slumped from more than 520 planes in 1990 to fewer than 290 in 2003.


If these figures paint a bleak picture, the outlook is even more worrying. Airbus accounted for nearly 70 percent by value of all new passenger jets ordered in 2003. This compares with little more than 30 percent for Boeing, a far cry from the 1980s, when the combined share of Boeing and McDonnell Douglas often accounted for close to 90 percent of all orders, leaving a Lilliputian Airbus with a few remaining crumbs. Perhaps the most telling indicator of the scale of Boeing's fall is that, at the time of Boeing's takeover of McDonnell Douglas in 1997, the two companies together accounted for 84 percent of all planes then in service.
Even before the decision to outsource the 7E7 wing was announced, there had been hints that Boeing's top executives were rapidly tiring of the passenger-jet business. Certainly they have given every sign of preferring to develop service businesses, notably a new telecommunications subsidiary named Connexion by Boeing. Following in the footsteps of General Electric, General Motors, IBM, and other erstwhile American industrial icons that have dramatically downsized their manufacturing workforces in recent years, Boeing has also been developing a financial services subsidiary.


Top executives inevitably put a brave face on all this, professing to see the new services as high-growth add-ons to the main manufacturing business. Nonetheless, there are strong grounds for questioning the long-term wisdom of Boeing's passionate embrace of services. Experience elsewhere suggests that such diversification is a short-term solution that inevitably dissipates much managerial time that would be better invested in the main business.


A further straw in the wind is that Boeing has been increasingly emphasizing defense contracting. In 2003, for the first time in several decades, Boeing's defense division outsold its passenger-jet division. While rising defense sales provide some respite for what remains of Boeing's beleaguered manufacturing workforce, the economic subtext is hardly flattering. Just as patriotism is proverbially the last resort of scoundrels, defense contracting tends to be the last resort of corporate America's also-rans. The point is that defense contracting is not only generally sheltered from foreign competition, but it is often priced on an all-forgiving cost-plus basis. This is how a faltering McDonnell Douglas could continue as a major defense contractor long after its passenger-jet business had imploded.


Unfortunately for Boeing, competition from Airbus is likely to become considerably fiercer in coming years. Certainly the evidence is that Airbus now enjoys a clear edge in innovation. Meanwhile, in startling contrast to its history, Boeing has become ever more cautious in the last decade. Founded in 1916 by Bill Boeing, a Yale-educated timberman of German extraction, the Boeing company has always prided itself on its inventiveness. Indeed, in a comment still remembered in Seattle, Bill Boeing himself established innovation as a key objective: "Our job is to keep everlastingly at research and experiment, to adapt our laboratories to production as soon as practicable, to let no new improvement in flying and flying equipment pass us by."


Yet by general consensus, the zest for innovation has largely disappeared at Boeing. This need not have happened. After all, when Airbus got its start in the late 1960s, American companies utterly dominated the world aerospace industry—and few American aerospace companies held more high cards than Boeing.


Capitalizing on a treasure trove of aeronautical secrets acquired from a defeated Germany at the end of World War II, Boeing had led the United States into the jet age. Thus it was that Boeing developed one of America's first jet-powered bombers, the B-47. Then in 1958 Boeing launched the world's first successful passenger jet, the Boeing 707. By the mid-1960s, Boeing had become the leading maker of passenger planes—from which position it proceeded to bet the company on the 747 jumbo. Launched in 1969, the 747 nearly bankrupted Boeing but went on to become a sensational commercial success. Still, the trauma of the 747's birth seems to have cast a permanent shadow over the company's previously entrepreneurial culture. The era of visionary gambles at Boeing was over. As of the early 1990s, Airbus's chief strategist, Adam Brown, was openly taunting Boeing for having become "reactive." Brown is hardly an unbiased source, but it is indisputable that Airbus has led the industry in several notable innovations over the last three decades.


The pattern started with Airbus's first plane, the A300. When it entered service in 1974, the A300 was the world's first twin-engine wide-body. The twin-engine format slashed airline operating costs compared to the three-engine and four-engine formats of earlier wide-body planes.
Airbus again stole a march on Boeing in 1988 when it introduced so-called fly-by-wire. Fly-by-wire is the industry term for computerized navigation controls, a concept pioneered in military aircraft in the early decades after World War II. It was later installed on the Anglo-French Concorde and, despite Concorde's dismal commercial failure, the technical success of the Concorde navigation system encouraged Airbus to use it on the A320. Boeing did not follow until 1994, when it introduced a limited version of fly-by-wire on the 777.


Fly-by-wire is important partly because it is a major weight saver. Moreover it facilitates "interoperability." This is the industry term for standardized controls installed across a family of aircraft—a pilot-friendly feature that enables airlines to save millions on training costs.


Other notable examples of new technical features that enabled Airbus to steal a march on Boeing include:

• Two-person cockpits (The first two-person cockpit in a twin-aisle plane was introduced in 1982.)
• Drag-reducing wingtip devices (introduced in 1985)
• The use of weight-saving composite materials in primary structures (also introduced in 1985)

Boeing's woes over the years were compounded by its engineers' reluctance to move to computer-aided design. Again Airbus pioneered the concept and reaped early efficiency gains. One lasting consequence is that it was a French company, Dassault, that came to dominate the market for aircraft design software. Even Boeing now buys its software from Dassault. Boeing's reluctance to move to computer-aided design is puzzling given America's early lead in computers. The multiplicity of components alone would seem to have been enough of a reason to go over to computers. (In a memorable reference to this multiplicity, an old joke at Boeing has it that a plane represents "four million parts all moving in close formation.")


If anything, Boeing has become even more cautious since it took over McDonnell Douglas, which had long been notorious for its failure to innovate—a trait that, as Fortune magazine has commented, allowed Boeing "to all but blow it out of the airliner business." What is undeniable is that, led by Harry Stonecipher, many of McDonnell Douglas's people have succeeded to top jobs at Boeing.


Boeing has been reluctant to develop new planes. Of four new models mooted in the last 15 years, it has killed three. Most notably in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, it shelved the so-called Sonic Cruiser, a glamorously positioned plane that would have cut the flight time from New York to London by nearly one-third.


Even more significantly, in March 2001 Boeing cancelled longstanding plans for a superjumbo that was to have superseded the ageing 747. As a result, Airbus, which announced in 2000 that it was going ahead with its own superjumbo, has a clear run at establishing a highly lucrative monopoly that looks certain to kill off the Boeing 747, for two decades Boeing's cash cow.


The Airbus superjumbo, to be known as the A380, will make aviation history as the world's first four-aisle plane. It will also be the first full double-decker passenger jet. Carrying 555 passengers in its launch version in 2006, it is expected in later models to carry as many as 840.
Clearly Boeing is in trouble—but how can it be pulled out of its power dive? While there is plenty of room for debate about detailed measures, it is clear that absent a changed mindset—both at the national level and at the company level—Boeing's fate is sealed.


Of course, Boeing's problems are part of a much larger syndrome of decline in American manufacturing. If the United States wants to retain control of its economic and political destiny, a whole litany of changes is necessary to reverse the globalist drift of American manufacturing policy. But at the end of the day, such changes are all moot if American policy makers do not change their fundamental mindset. Quite simply, laissez-faire is not enough in an industry as concentrated and geopolitically significant as aerospace.


As for America's policy on aircraft trade, this seems doomed to failure. It consists after all of little more than beseeching the Europeans to stop subsidizing Airbus. In years gone by, when Airbus was much smaller and the United States enjoyed more influence, there might have been some hope of being heard. But that time has gone. Even if Boeing could claim that it is without sin in the matter of taking government largesse, it is unlikely the Europeans would listen to American pleas.


Under these circumstances, Washington needs to take a more radical approach. On the Left, many observers advocate a wholehearted industrial policy for the aircraft industry. But perhaps a better solution—and one certainly more in accord with America's capitalist tradition—is an idea put forward by economist Pat Choate. Choate, a leading critic of globalism and an outspoken opponent of America's blink-first habit in trade diplomacy, suggests a "sphere-of-influence" approach similar to that which applied in many capital-goods industries in the first decades of the last century. Basically the concept is to let Airbus have a free hand in Europe while Boeing keeps the American market as its preserve. These spheres of influence would be defined by tariffs on both sides. In third-country markets, the two companies would be free to compete on level terms.
Given the especially open nature of American democracy, many policy options are likely to be considered—and hotly debated. What everyone can agree on is that it is now past time for action and what is required is something that hitherto has been sorely absent: leadership.

Eamonn Fingleton is the author of Unsustainable: How Economic Dogma is Destroying American Prosperity.

http://unsustainable.org/index.asp?type=article&contentID=34

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Nuk'em!

http://www.carloslabs.com/node/16

Tsar Bomba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba) would fuck up all of Ilfov and then some.:eek:

^^^^ cine le dadea voie la primatele astea inferioare - rusi, americani si altii - sa testeze asemena mizerii :ohno:?! Bine ca s-a cam terminat dezmatul. Au mai ramas vreo doi tirani ... si cam atat :cheers:

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de 10x mai multa energie decat toate bombele din WWII :uh:

Imi poate recomanda cineva o carte buna despre piata imobiliara din Romania? Am nevoie pentru lucrarea de licenta de informatii despre piata imobiliara din Romania (de dupa revolutie si pana in prezent).
Articolele gasite pe net nu mi se par surse foarte sigure...

Internet is your best bet
http://www.cbre.ro/ro_en/homepage_content/homepage_main_feature/Retail%20Market_tipar%2020.11.pdf
http://www.cbre.ro/ro_en/research

:rofl:
http://blogs.palringo.com/kerry/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ryanair.jpeg

This video was taken during landing in Vienna, on my way back from Oslo.:)
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hehe :lol: click GPS Headquarters http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/gravity/previews/

Stretching and squashing - bbc reporter is a dumbass :lol:

Anca Badiu: «Bărbaţii din România miros a cârnaţi»

http://www.click.ro/assets/articole/2009/02/mare_256414_1foto.jpg

Solista are la 34 de ani un bogat trecut amoros, din care nu lipsesc bărbaţi celebri precum Bogdan Lobonţ sau Arsenie, ex-O-Zone. Cu toate acestea, Anca Badiu a făcut o declaraţie-şoc pentru Click!, dezvăluind că detestă toţi masculii de la noi pentru că nu sunt îngrijiţi şi miros a carne de porc şi cârnaţi.

click (http://www.click.ro/Vedete/anca-badiu-barbatii-din-romania-miros-a-carnati)

^^ o frustrata :)

...
Forward on please http://feliciacilinschi.blogspot.com/2008/08/va-rog-din-suflet-sa-ma-ajutati.html

click (http://www.click.ro/Vedete/anca-badiu-barbatii-din-romania-miros-a-carnati)
Deci asta citesti tu, a?:naughty:

^^
a gresit doar partea cu toti, daca zicea majoritatea sunt nespalati, era mai aproape de adevar.

Deci asta citesti tu, a?:naughty:

citesc tot ce e gratis ;)

I'm a vegetarian.:dunno:

Am contrazis-o eu? (Desi a generalizat ca o vaca, ca sa zic asa.:D)

tomis, tu mirosi a castraveti si varza.:lol:

Am contrazis-o eu? (Desi a generalizat ca o vaca, ca sa zic asa.:D)

tomis, tu mirosi a castraveti si varza.:lol:

Don't eat varza but I do have a big castravete. ;)

tomis, tu mirosi a castraveti si varza.
I do have a big castravete.
:puke:

Don’t be jealous ‘cause you’re small.

^^ This one's for you...:D
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3739/69324163.jpg

^^

Whatever floats your boat.

Max from Moldova

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Birds Eye View in Bucharest from Microsoft Virtual Earth:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6136/43870156.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43870156.jpg)

Link:
http://www.structuretoobig.com/WorldMap.aspx?userid=e8d5fb03-6eab-4f3c-9a6d-22abcc97b093

^^
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3574/76879629.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76879629.jpg)

Meleşcanu: Johannis ar putea fi candidatul PNL la prezidenţiale (http://www.cotidianul.ro/melescanu_johannis_ar_putea_fi_candidatul_pnl_la_prezidentiale-75852.html)

^^ Oare cineva il intreaba si pe Klaus ? :lol:

Posibil sa-l bata pe chior in ardeal, dar in rest nu are sanse. :ohno:

Dar oricum are mai multe sanse decat motocicleanu.

^^ Oare cineva il intreaba si pe Klaus ? :lol:

Posibil sa-l bata pe chior in ardeal, dar in rest nu are sanse. :ohno:

Dar oricum are mai multe sanse decat motocicleanu.

"chioru" a fost ales in cea mai mare parte de ardeleni :D
La fel si PDL: are cea mai mare sustinere in Ardeal.

Meet the Jesus Christ... lizard.:lol:
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"chioru" a fost ales in cea mai mare parte de ardeleni :D
La fel si PDL: are cea mai mare sustinere in Ardeal.
Chioru' a fost ales de ardeleni pt. ca au avut de ales intre el si bombonel. (nici prostanacu nu are sanse in Ardeal)

PDL are sustinere in Ardeal si Bucuresti pt ca PSD are in Moldova si Muntenia.

Sibienii cand au avut de ales intre PSD-ist/PDL-ist/PNL-ist si Johannis, l-au ales pe sas cu aproape 90%

Se pare ca in Sibiu, criza imobiliara isi spune cuvantul.

Era normal sa scada dupa psihoza "capitalei culturale europene", dar nu ma asteptam asa de tare.

Apartament 2 camere (mari) 44.200 euro (tva inclus)
Apartament 3 camere (medii) 52.300 euro (tva inclus)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/new-2.jpg
Garsonierele vechi au ajuns pe la 23.000 euro.

Casa in centru istoric, magazin la parter + etaj
Anul trecut era un pret astronomic in zona, acum 120.000 euro (tva inclus)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/old-1.jpg
Zice ceva de mansardare dar (sper) nu se poate cum te taie capul la 100m de Biserica Evanghelica.

Meet the Jesus Christ... lizard.:lol:
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There is also a Jesus Christ car,:lol:(I know you are a fan of the show):
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http://www.cornflex.org/?p=1

360° Video, New york + altele.

Se pare ca in Sibiu, criza imobiliara isi spune cuvantul.

Era normal sa scada dupa psihoza "capitalei culturale europene", dar nu ma asteptam asa de tare.

Apartament 2 camere (mari) 44.200 euro (tva inclus)
Apartament 3 camere (medii) 52.300 euro (tva inclus)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/new-2.jpg
Garsonierele vechi au ajuns pe la 23.000 euro.

Casa in centru istoric, magazin la parter + etaj
Anul trecut era un pret astronomic in zona, acum 120.000 euro (tva inclus)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/old-1.jpg
Zice ceva de mansardare dar (sper) nu se poate cum te taie capul la 100m de Biserica Evanghelica.

Super bune oferte. Casa aia de langa biserica evanghelica e foarte tentanta.

There is also a Jesus Christ car,:lol:(I know you are a fan of the show)
Yep, I know that episode. Crazy Richard Hammond.:nuts:
http://www.cornflex.org/?p=1

360° Video, New york + altele.
That's great! So we got Google StreetView for 360° photos from ground level, Microsoft Live Maps Bird's Eye for helicopter-style city photos and now maybe we'll see more of this 360° videos. I'm a big fan of such technologies/applications.:D

Birds Eye View in Bucharest from Microsoft Virtual Earth:
Link:
http://www.structuretoobig.com/WorldMap.aspx?userid=e8d5fb03-6eab-4f3c-9a6d-22abcc97b093


Interesant e ca Galatiul e pozat vara aici(in 2005)spre deosebire de google earth,si arata mult mai bine asa.

ZIUA ONLINE (http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?data=2009-03-09&id=22834)
9 martie 2009

Radu Mazare, pe post de "James Bond" intr-o prezentare de moda

Social-democratul Radu Mazare a inceput sa prinda gustul aparatului de fotgrafiat. Astfel, dupa ce a pozat de curand pentru un pictorial care va aparea in Playboy, primarul Constantei va fi manechin intr-o prezentare de moda a carei tema este "James Bond".

"In data de 27 am prezentare de moda la Bucuresti. Este o creatoare de moda care face o prezentare de moda cu tinute James Bond pentru fete si, in final, baiatul James Bond care intra este subsemnatul", a declarat Mazare, intr-o emisiune la postul local Radio Sky din Constanta, relateaza Mediafax.

Primarul Constantei a pozat si pentru revista Playboy. Radu Mazare va aparea in viitorul numar ca un ganster american.

Sedinta foto a avut loc in portul Constanta, iar protagonistul s-a lasat imortalizat imbracat la patru ace, intre masini de epoca, alaturi de o femeie frumoasa. Evident, din coltul gurii nu ii putea lipsi trabucul.

Potrivit scenariului, Mazare trebuia sa-si rascumpere iubita rapita de gangsteri. Masinile folosite apartineau chiar primarului Constante


Z.O.
Articol disponibil la adresa http://www.ziua.net/news.php?id=22834&data=2009-03-09


Asteptam editia noua a Playboy. :rock:

Dacă ăsta se crede gangster, ar trebui să-l băgam la închisoare.

“este unul dintre cei mai apreciaţi umorişti din România.”

^^ :crazy2: Nici sa rad nu pot de asa stire si nici n-am ras vreodata la poantele Vacanta Mare :nuts: http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/842794/Afacerile-lui-Mugur-Mihaiescu/

De cand au dat-o pe Garcea si Leana s-at stricat rau. Au avut o perioada la inceput, scurta, in care ii urmaream cu placere..

^^ am carnetul de student "semnat" (integral) de Divertis. Nu mai sunt nici ei ce-au fost ... BTW La parterul lui T9 (Campus Tudor Vladimirescu) stateam cu noptile si radeam de ne prapadeam. Fratele unuia din trupa detinea (detine inca) magazinul de la parterul caminului. Si dupa turneu in Iasi, Divertis veneau la o bere in campus si faceau show pe gratis ... nebunie :cheers:

Gabi Jugaru (Tiganu') venea prin camera pe la noi si pierdeam toata noaptea cu cantari la chitara si poante ... BTW am avut sansa sa lucrez usa'n usa cu Radio Contact Iasi in Hotel Unirea (noi la et. 11 ei la 12) ... si eram invitati (cu masa rezervata:nuts:) la toate show-urile "mondene":crazy: ... Ehehe daca incep cu povestirile nu mai termin nici maine :lol: :cheers:

Tarzan, soferul cocalar.

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Dobitocul asta mi-a adus aminte de inceputul de la desenul asta...:lol:
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Tarzan, soferul cocalar.

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Ce poate face un dobitoc ca "Tarzan":

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^^^^ skySK . :lol: de acum incolo o sa fiu mai preocupar de ce face ala din spatele meu decat ce e in fata mea

Cei care "pun piciorul" pe drumurile judetului Constanta vor trebui sa plateasca taxe suplimentare:

„Republica lui Mazăre“ face paşi repezi spre autonomie (http://www.cotidianul.ro/republica_lui_mazare_face_pasi_repezi_spre_autonomie-75942.html) (Cotidianul)

Nicusor Constantinescu: Rovigneta din Constanţa e necesară (http://www.realitateafm.net/rovigneta-din-constanta---necesara-pentru-ca-restul-fondurilor-ar-fi-insuficiente_389.html) (Realitatea; audio)

CONSILIUL JUDEŢEAN CONSTANŢA - Comunicat de presă (http://www.telegrafonline.ro/1236636000/articol/79906/consiliul_judetean_constanta__comunicat_de_presa.html) (replica la articolul din Cotidianul)

Nicuşor Constantinescu şi Radu Mazăre, vârfurile de lance ale descentralizării fără discernământ: cine nu plăteşte nu intră în Constanţa.
http://media2.gruprc.ro/photo/thumbs/800_600/032009/12f27516b10c36750b92b645d22595fd.jpg
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7. Gicu_Maracine 08-Mar-2009 23:35
Foarte bine!
Asta da viziune de manager!

Io ii sugerez lui Mazare sa puna taxa si pe aerul respirat pe o distanta de 5 km de la malul marii (aerosoloi, nu!?),
sa puna taxa si pe numarul de valuri care ne maseaza cand intram in apa,
sa puna taxa si pe nisipul care ni se lipeste de piele si cu care plecam spre camera de hotel (simplu: ne cantarim inainte si dupa ce venim de la plaja iar diferenta se taxeaza),
sa puna taxa si pe numarul de luxi care ne pleznesc retina cand facem plaja!

Asta ca sa intelegem naibii odata ca asta e marea lor, plaja lor, aerul lor, tara lor, a lor, a celor cu tupeu de nastase, nesimtire de mazare, cultura de vanghelie...

Sa ma mai astepte sa ma duc pe litoralul romanesc.. cand s-o face mazarea mazariche!

Ce jeguri de oameni....nu mă refer la faza cu taxa ci la felul cum arată. Nu-mi vine să cred că un mârlan jegos ca Mazăre poate să fie primarul unui oraș atât de important. Burtosul ăla cine e? Arată că un proxenet. Gata...nu mai pot...mă duc să citesc o carte...noapte bună.

Ce muie de betivan aurolac are...

Ce muie de betivan aurolac are...

nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc de unde stii tu asta

Saudi Arabia Sentences 75 Year Old Woman to 40 Lashes for "Mingling"
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Religious police...:puke:

Articol platit :weird::puke:
http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/1068/gabriel-resources-romanias-new-regime-and-how-it-may-affect-rosia-montana-1068.html

^^ ^^ :gunz: :baeh3:
www.rosiamontana.org

Well, we all know that the islamist rules are pretty weird.

nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc de unde stii tu asta

Traducere pentru "muie" in acest caz: fata,figura,chip.
Nu poti sa zici ca n-am dreptate:lol:

http://media2.gruprc.ro/photo/thumbs/800_600/032009/12f27516b10c36750b92b645d22595fd.jpg

^^ Pees can also be Elegant:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/742/mazare6.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mazare6.jpg)Mediafax Foto

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ce coclalar omu o arde al capone si romani il respecta. Cum pana mea sa rspecti un mafiot. Al Capone omora oameni pac pac, pana acum nu se omorau oameni in romanica dar cum ani au trecut si sumele de furat s-au marit iata ca si la noi au inceput cu impuscaturi. Mi-e ca in cativa ani baieti astia sa ni inceapa sa faca pac pac mai des. De exemplu daca un procuror ar pune mana pe asta tare mi-e ca ar muri sinucis sau calcat, sau vre-un ziarist de investigatie ar descoperi vre-o ghidusie.

Ii place rozul din cate vad lui Ăl Căpune asta,nu prea-i gangster style.

Nu poti sa zici ca n-am dreptate:lol:



nu!

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Ce jeguri de oameni....nu mă refer la faza cu taxa ci la felul cum arată. Nu-mi vine să cred că un mârlan jegos ca Mazăre poate să fie primarul unui oraș atât de important. Burtosul ăla cine e? Arată că un proxenet. Gata...nu mai pot...mă duc să citesc o carte...noapte bună.

De pe canalul youtube al lui Mazare: :puke:

Mazare si batranii (youtube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqYi3VhKbk)

Te rog mu mai posta nimic despre mazare.

+1:yes::puke:

Nu mai vine odata apocalispa aia? :|

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=7046762

^^Te-ai saturat de viata?

^^Te-ai saturat de viata?

M-am saturat de prost gustul asta global.

Sa vezi cate filme de Bollywood se dau la unele televiziuni romanesti! :puke:

Sa vezi cate filme de Bollywood se dau la unele televiziuni romanesti! :puke:

Distrugem planetă că să suportăm miliarde de dobitoci imbecili fără pic de discernământ.

Crappy movies, but hot women. Now, if they'd only convince them to play in serious movies maybe we'd have something...
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5229/aishwaryaraisbeautysecr.jpg

Btw, has anyone seen Slumdog Millionaire?

Crappy movies, but hot women. Now, if they'd only convince them to play in serious movies maybe we'd have something...

Btw, has anyone seen Slumdog Millionaire?

Eu nu..Am refuzat să mă duc după ce a fost prostituat practic non-stop de mass media Americană. M-am gândit la un citat de Mark Twain: "When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."

Referitor la femei, sper că ştii că-n Bollywood există o discriminare şi-un rasism feroce.

Referitor la femei, sper că ştii că-n Bollywood există o discriminare şi-un rasism feroce.

la ce te referi? :?

la ce te referi? :?

Pai nu se vede?...compara si tu pielea unie actrite de Bollywood cu "your average Indian" cum se zice. Indienii fac orice pt a avea pielea mai alba. Cele mai vandute produse cosmetice sunt Fair & Lovely (pt femei) si Fair & Handsome (pt barbati).

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^^
Nu-mi vine sa cred ce vad ! :eek2:

^^
Nu-mi vine sa cred ce vad ! :eek2:

crede. e adevarat.

Referitor la femei, sper că ştii că-n Bollywood există o discriminare şi-un rasism feroce.
Da, stiu.:( In fine, eu nu laudam Bollywood-ul si ideile lor cretine, laudam tipele, in special aia din poza, care ar arata bine si mai inchisa la culoare.

Poate ar trebui sa invete de la Michael ca-i stupid sa te faci mai alb.:lol:

Da, stiu.:( In fine, eu nu laudam Bollywood-ul si ideile lor cretine, laudam tipele, in special aia din poza, care ar arata bine si mai inchisa la culoare.

Poate ar trebui sa invete de la Michael ca-i stupid sa te faci mai alb.:lol:

Ar arata mult mai bine cu-n pic de creier.

Nu mai vine odata apocalispa aia?
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COMENTARII :nuts:

Probyzantinum (4 weeks ago) +2
PROTV ar trebui aruncat in aer, de ani de zile duce un razboi contra bisericii si contra valorilor noastre nationale, promoveaza homosexualitatea si tigania. Nu va lasati prostiti de ei!

mosclaudiu (1 week ago) 0
BRAVO ŢIE, BINE AI ZIS!

SasukeUchihaVLAD (1 month ago) +2
ma pish pe spatiul Shenke qm ii zice.....mie numi pasa ... mie nici numi pasa dak nu eram in EU.....parinte te sustzin!

^^ si ce dreptate au ... nu cred ca-ti dai seama, sau iti dai?! :)

Eu nu ma mai uit la TV de multi ani,n-ai ce vedea,cel putin la noi nu.
protv-ul e un cacat de post pentru mine de cand au adunat "spuma" tiganiei din Romania sa ne cante imnul de ziua noastra nationala.

Eu nu ma mai uit la TV de multi ani,n-ai ce vedea,cel putin la noi nu.
protv-ul e un cacat de post pentru mine de cand au adunat "spuma" tiganiei din Romania sa ne cante imnul de ziua noastra nationala.

Bravo.

^^ :nuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTzDuwWT7VY

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http://www.ziare.com/index.php?module=AmvcNews&id=686736
comentariii
astazi, 16:18, bucharest ringspune:

pacat
Intram si noi cat de cat in randul lumii civilizate prin organizarea competitiei.
Ne promovam cat de cat imaginea, mai auzea si europa ceva de bine de noi.
Reziliem si platim...ce simplu...
Si mai sunt si unii care se bucura...

^^

Nu inteleg :dunno:

Eu ma distrez enorm la filmele indiene. ENORM. Sunt naive si nu ma pot abtine sa nu rad din cauza umorului involuntar (care este cel mai delicios gen de umor). Manele-mtv, hollywood-bollywood, nu-i nici o diferenta valorica din punctul meu de vedere.

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:lol:

Hollywood baga mare

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:lol:

^^ :nuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTzDuwWT7VY

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http://www.ziare.com/index.php?module=AmvcNews&id=686736
comentariii
astazi, 16:18, bucharest ringspune:

pacat
Intram si noi cat de cat in randul lumii civilizate prin organizarea competitiei.
Ne promovam cat de cat imaginea, mai auzea si europa ceva de bine de noi.
Reziliem si platim...ce simplu...
Si mai sunt si unii care se bucura...

E prea multa prostie,nesimtire si indiferenta in Romania la ora actuala,suntem fututi pe viitor ca popor,eu nu mai vad cale de rezolvare a problemei.