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There is currently talk of a new 60,000 seat multi-purpose stadium at Kitchner Park, a redevelopment to the W.A.C.A. Ground up to 30,000 seats with the inclusion of 4 towers, and also a rectangular stadium, whether that be an upgrade to Members Equity Stadium or a new one at another site is yet unknown.

Proposals
W.A.C.A. Ground
http://www.waca.com.au/news/detail.asp?offset=50&ID=745

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The Western Australian Cricket Association today announced a major new strategic partnership that will secure both the WACA Ground as the home of cricket in Western Australia and the financial future of the Association.

The WACA and Ascot Capital Limited, the operators of Jandakot Airport, have signed a heads of agreement that will see the historic WACA Ground transformed into a stunning 30,000 seat venue for international and domestic cricket as well as being home to two residential towers, two office blocks and a retail and entertainment precinct.

When making the announcement at the WACA Ground WACA Chief Executive Officer Graeme Wood said that today would go down as a momentous day in WACA history.

"This is quite simply one of the most important announcements in the proud history of the Western Australian Cricket Association," Wood said.

"Today we have secured the world famous WACA Ground as the home of cricket in Western Australia and we have done it while also securing the financial future of the sport.

"The WACA is an iconic ground in world cricket and an important part of WA's sporting history so I am sure most West Australians will agree that this development is a fantastic result for WA sport."

Ascot Capital Limited said that it was delighted to be involved in a development that will see an iconic Western Australian institution remain standing.

The development proposal combines an exciting mix of commercial development and the retention of the WACA as a world class facility.

The partnership between the WACA and Ascot Capital Limited will see the WACA Ground's capacity increased by 6,000 and also creates long term revenue opportunities for the Association.

WACA Chairman David Williams said the partnership provides an outstanding package to the WACA whilst achieving the WACA Board's stated aim of keeping cricket at the WACA Ground.

"That we are in this position is due to the efforts of our President, Dennis Lillee, who has relentlessly pursued our vision of utilising part of our land bank in partnership with private equity and he is responsible for creating this wonderful opportunity," Williams said.

"The principals of Ascot, David Van der Walt and Greg King are lovers of cricket and we trust we will all provide them our support for this courageous project which will be of great benefit to cricket in Western Australia."

The development proposal requires modest financial Government support to modernise lighting facilities at the redeveloped ground and for the creation of a Centre for Cricket Excellence at The University of Western Australia's Sports Park in Floreat. The Centre for Cricket Excellence forms a crucial part of the development plans as the existing practice facilities (both indoor and outdoor) at the WACA Ground will be lost in the redevelopment.

"There are many issues to be overcome as with any major project," Williams said.

"That said nothing was won without overcoming challenges and on behalf of Dennis and the Board we can assure you we are absolutely committed to this project."

A three to four year time frame has been put on the development project.


WACA GROUND REDEVELOPMENT Q&A

• What does this mean for the future of the WACA Ground?
Under this proposed redevelopment the WACA Ground will be transformed into a world class 30,000 seat cricket venue as well as being home to two residential towers, two office blocks and a retail and entertainment precinct.

• Where will cricket be played under this proposal?
This proposal enables all cricket, both domestic and international, to be played at the WACA Ground.

• What about the new stadium or a redeveloped Subiaco Oval?
The 30,000 capacity proposed for this redevelopment will cater for the majority of cricket fixtures however the WACA will consider moving blockbuster matches such as a Twenty20 international against England or a 2015 World Cup match to a new stadium or a redeveloped Subiaco Oval should either of these occur.

• What will the capacity of the WACA Ground be with this proposal?
The WACA Ground will be able to hold 30,000 people which is some 2000 more than the capacity at Lords.

• What corporate facilities will there be with this proposal?
The corporate facilities of the WACA Ground will be significantly upgraded with approximately 80 corporate boxes to be built in the new stand on the northern side of the ground. The number of function rooms and facilities are yet to be finalised.

• Where is the funding coming from for the project?
This project will be financially backed by Ascot Capital Limited, a property development company. The State Government will be approached for some comparatively modest support to upgrade the lighting facilities at the redeveloped ground for the benefit of neighbouring residents and to create a Centre for Cricket Excellence at The University of Western Australia’s Sports Park in Floreat as the development would take our entire existing training facilities at the WACA Ground.

• Who is Ascot Capital Limited?
Ascot Capital is a global property investment and development house which has developed approximately 150,000m2 of offices, 200,000m2 of industrial space and 100,000m2 of retail space, in Australia, United Kingdom and South Africa. It has recently purchased the lease on Jandakot Airport and is in the process of developing 160 hectares of office, warehouse and distribution facilities.

• Will it be a noose around the WACA’s neck like the last redevelopment in 2002?
No, it will be quite the opposite. The proposed project is expected to generate a long term revenue stream which will help to ensure the Association is financially viable into the future.

• Will the redeveloped WACA Ground only be home to cricket?
It is possible it could be used for other sporting events in the future but the proposal at present is to retain it as a purpose built cricket ground as part of this outstanding commercial residential development.

• Have you sold the WACA?
No. The title to the stadium remains with the WACA. The balance, namely the offices and the towers, will be held with the joint venture.

• What time frame will this project be completed in?
Subject to zoning approvals the entire redevelopment is expected to take three to four years.

• Will there be any interruption to cricket fixtures at the WACA Ground during this time?
No. Development will not affect the playing arena.

• Who has been briefed about the proposed redevelopment?
The WACA has had discussions with the Premier, Government and Opposition representatives and departmental heads, the Major Stadia Taskforce as well as the East Perth Redevelopment Authority and Trinity College to brief them on the proposed redevelopment.

• Will Government support be required?
Yes. A major issue will be the zoning required. The residential towers would need to be some 17 storeys for the project to be viable. This height is in alignment with the Raffles development and could be favourably compared to the 25 storey towers earmarked for along the Marina in the Riverside project.

• What are some of the potential hurdles that have been identified?
Issues such as transport and the comfort of our neighbours, particularly at Trinity College, need to be addressed. There is also the matter of zoning to enable 17 storey towers which will require Government approval although it is noted the proposed towers near the marina in the Riverside Project are 25 storeys.

• What is the proposed Centre for Cricket Excellence?
Part of the redevelopment proposal requires the existing practice facilities (both indoor and outdoor) at the WACA Ground to be removed. These therefore need to be replaced and we have been working on a proposal to relocate them to a state of the art facility at The University of Western Australia’s Sports Park in Floreat. The WACA Administration could also be relocated there.

• What does it cost and what’s in it for the WACA?
$250m provided by the developers. A long term revenue stream, new northern grandstands and an increase in capacity to 30,000.




Perth's Multi-purpose Stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/index.php?id=1

Development Timeline

Planning for Perth's new, multi-purpose stadium is already underway.

Because Perth Stadium is such a large and complex undertaking, the important planning phase will take two to three years prior to the staged construction starting in 2011. During this period the Project Team will work closely with all stakeholders, including the Subiaco Redevelopment Authority and the Subiaco City Council, to prepare the site for development.

Construction will occur in two stages. The existing oval will remain in operation with a capacity of around 40,000 seats while the new stadium is being built adjacent on Kitchener Park. In 2014 the new stadium will host its first AFL games. The old Subiaco Oval will then be demolished and the last 20,000 seats of the new stadium built and parkland developed.

When the stadium is fully completed in time for the 2016 football season it will have a total capacity of 60,000 seats.


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current Subiaco Oval
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Stage 1 of new stadium
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Stage 2 of new stadium
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Final Development of new Stadium
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Most recent News...

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http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/sporting-stadium-for-perth-in-talks-20080925-4o00.html

Sporting stadium for Perth in talks
* Vanessa Williams
* September 25, 2008 - 4:27PM

Perth will get a better sporting stadium, although it's not high on the priority list, Premier Colin Barnett said today.

The Perth Stadium project, proposed under the previous state government, was set to start construction in July 2011, with completion due at the start of 2016.

The 60,000 seat multi-purpose stadium would be located in the heart of Subiaco, and would see the demolition of the existing Subiaco Oval.

However Mr Barnett would not say whether his State government would commit to the stadium project.

"Western Australia will get a vastly improved stadium," Mr Barnett said.

"Whether it is the new stadium or it's a rebuilding of the existing one, we haven't made that decision yet."

Although Mr Barnett acknowledged the facilities at the current Subiaco Oval were inadequate, he said health projects, such as building the new children's hospital, were a higher priority.

"The issue has come up quite properly and there is divided opinion in the community about what the priority should be," he said.

"If we are in the position of having to choose about the scale of projects or the timing of projects, then health projects, including the new children's hospital, will come first."


Old Thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=462772

[stadiumdesigner]

I will also get photos of the new athletics and bball stadium at AK reserve when I can - the athletics facility has the foundaition for track laid down, the banks built up, and about 1/4 of the grandstand built.

[perthgazer]

info on AK reserve can be found here

http://www.cox.com.au/1105.aspx?projectId=3791&disciplineId=1125

and here

www.akreserve.com.au

[Auxodium]

i will so buy an apartment if the waca builds those towers as for the smaller buildings.... yuk

[docker]

info on AK reserve can be found here

http://www.cox.com.au/1105.aspx?projectId=3791&disciplineId=1125

and here

www.akreserve.com.au

thanks for the link, i had never scene that site before.

the ak reserve sit looks like it is well designed, hopefully the cricket acadamy still gets moved out there.

[city_thing]

Does anybody even care about cricket anymore? Does the WACA ever get filled except for the Ashes and concerts? It seems like a waste even spending a dollar on the place...

Maybe if 20/20 becomes popular then an upgrade might be worth it...

[Dilaz89]

Yeah, Cricket is still pretty popular here in WA but crowds are getting smaller.

It's reinvent or die for the WACA.

[Auxodium]

One day games get plenty of people in. Especially after work for friday or thursday nigh games.

I always did when i was in the city. i think it has lost some relevance now that AFL games are not played there anymore, but i believe that WACA is better for rectangular largers games than terrible subiaco

[ryan79]

Does anybody even care about cricket anymore? Does the WACA ever get filled except for the Ashes and concerts? It seems like a waste even spending a dollar on the place...

Maybe if 20/20 becomes popular then an upgrade might be worth it...

What are you on? Cricket is still massif yeah.

The problem is IMO its a much better sport to watch on tv than live.

[docker]

http://blogs.thewest.com.au/general/john-townsend-spriggs-vision-needs-helping-hand/

JOHN TOWNSEND - Sprigg’s vision needs helping hand

Trevor Sprigg would be turning in his grave.

A year ago, the State shadow sports minister was maintaining pressure on the Labor Government to commit to building a world-class sports stadium.

Sprigg, who died suddenly in January this year, was fully committed to the concept of the State funding a slick new stadium that could fit up to 60,000 spectators and provide a venue that would not only host big football matches but also could help attract major international sports to WA.

His view was simple: governments provide infrastructure, sports supply content and society reaps the benefits.

It was a vision that, at the time, had bipartisan political support on the back of a buoyant State economy that appeared set for continued growth.

WA is not long on vision. We’re big on digging massive holes in the dirt and allowing urban sprawl to extend more than 100km up the metropolitan coast but that is about as far as it goes.

Other concepts, whether building a pipeline to the Goldfields a century ago, putting down a rail line to Mandurah or replacing a decrepit stadium are accompanied by tales of woe and arguments why they could not, and should not, be done.

Even opening a small bar like the ones on every street corner in Europe is hidebound with obstacles.

Sprigg was pro-stadium and made it clear that the Government of the day should build it.

“(Failing to fund the stadium) would be a disgrace and the government would stand condemned given the social and financial benefits to the community for what would essentially be a community asset,” he said in March 2007.

“We have the chance to build a stadium that would help the State attract world-class events to WA and give people, who aren’t members or corporate donors, a minimum of 5000 extra seats at AFL games played in Perth.

But his vision is now in serious jeopardy even if his Liberal colleagues are in power.

Economic rationalists within the Government, and sceptical observers outside it, claim the State may not be able to afford a new stadium given the tougher times ahead and the price Colin Barnett has had to pay to the Nationals to take office.

Furthermore, it should not be the province of the State to build a footy stadium, the sceptics claim. If footy wants a big stage, let footy build it.

But isn’t it the function of Government to apply resources to projects that would benefit the community?

Hospitals, schools and sporting facilities all exist under that concept.

Surely the essential debate should be over the relative size and timing of the commitments, not the concept underlying them.

Terry Waldron, the new Sport Minister, told a WAFL grand final lunch this week that sport was one of the few things that cut through all levels of our society.

It also provided one of the few remaining joys for the old and infirm whose lives were lifted vicariously through the inspirational efforts of athletes and sporting teams.

Let’s hope Waldron can cut through the naysayers in cabinet and deliver a vision for football and WA.

[WCG]

The WACA project is deffienantly prbably the only project that I realy dont like at all! Some other projects I thnk hmmmn! BUt the WACA Project is deff a no go for me! But I reckon this will most likely stay!

[dallastexjr]

Really? I love it. The WACA is iconic - I used to work in London, where old school banking managers are often cricket fanatics, and they all want to go and see a match at the WACA. It could only be the same in cricket-mad India. This design would seal the WACA's reputation as an international sporting venue. Outside WA in cricket spheres, it's nearly on par with the MCG.

[gotime]

Really? I love it. The WACA is iconic - I used to work in London, where old school banking managers are often cricket fanatics, and they all want to go and see a match at the WACA. It could only be the same in cricket-mad India. This design would seal the WACA's reputation as an international sporting venue. Outside WA in cricket spheres, it's nearly on par with the MCG.

yeah i'd agree there. the WACA is well known in all cricket playing nations. in fact it's the first, and possibily only thing, that comes to mind amongst many brits when they hear that you are from perth. the same can be said in india. when asked "where are you from?" the answer perth instantly invites the response "oh? WACA, justin langer, adam gilchrist". the WACA needs a lot of work to become viable again. hopefully this redevelopment can do the trick.

[Auxodium]

The only problem i have are the very small buildings in the WACA... what are they...corporate boxes? media centre? hotel? apartments? stands?

i would like to see the Lillie-Marsh stand brought around more to remove that green stand.

but all in all i love it

[WCG]

I dont care! I dont like it! LOL! I dont think its iconic in the slightest! But I hear wot u r sayn, to some it may be, I find that quietly saddening! But all the same, a reflection of the society we live in!

[aaronaugi1]

i would like to see the Lillie-Marsh stand brought around more to remove that green stand.



The members stand? Lol, not a chance.

[Click79]

I love the plans WACA redevelopment. I actually think that it's reminiscent of Lords with the apartment towers overlooking the ground - only the WACA towers are about a million times better looking than the old 60s style towers at Lords. They will provide an even more vivid and memorable symbol for an already world-famous and internationally acclaimed ground. Plus it keeps the beautiful grass banks on either side of the wicket that everyone loves and the old school score board the the commentators (especially Richie Benaud) rave about while replacing the horribly ugly Prendiville and Inverarity Stands.

I just hope it also replaces that horrible red brick wall with some sort of street level interaction - retail, bars etc. At the moment that wall just kills activity all around the WACA.

[Auxodium]

lillie marsh is the m,embers stand. that is just a crappy roof structure that doesnt serve any purpose... a bigger stand would be better for members

[aaronaugi1]

lillie marsh is the m,embers stand. that is just a crappy roof structure that doesnt serve any purpose... a bigger stand would be better for members

Well it does. It keeps the heat, rain and wind away from the members.

The stand is only accesable from Lillie-Marsh. It is a members stand.

I think WACA members would argue the stand is probably the nicest at venue and should be retained if possible if any works go ahead.

[Click79]

I think WACA members would argue the stand is probably the nicest at venue and should be retained if possible if any works go ahead.

I'd agree with that. It's actually a nice looking stand IMO. Besides, I don't know if there'd be much possibility for anything much bigger due to the space constraints on that side of the ground.

The new stand is a good size though and looks quite good.

[Auxodium]

Well it does. It keeps the heat, rain and wind away from the members.

The stand is only accesable from Lillie-Marsh. It is a members stand.

I think WACA members would argue the stand is probably the nicest at venue and should be retained if possible if any works go ahead.

that stand has only been there since 2002... hardly a nice stand... a grandstand extension of the Lillie Marsh stand would be better for more corporate boxes and more member seats... i should know how the waca runs being a member lol

[aaronaugi1]

that stand has only been there since 2002... hardly a nice stand... a grandstand extension of the Lillie Marsh stand would be better for more corporate boxes and more member seats... i should know how the waca runs being a member lol

well Mr WACA member, why were you claiming it wasn't part of the members area then in the first instance?

[Auxodium]

i just said to remove the green roof stand and bring the lillie marsh grandstand around more... i never said anything about it not being a members stand or non members.

[aaronaugi1]

i never said anything about it not being a members stand or non members.

lillie marsh is the m,embers stand.that is just a crappy roof structure that doesnt serve any purpose... a bigger stand would be better for members

IMO, it is a better suited seating area than L-M.

[Auxodium]

well i was refering to members benefits... it is just a stand that trys to replicate the SCG and fails terribly...

[docker]

construction update on the basketball and athletic facilities at AK Reserve during october

http://www.akreserve.com.au/index.php?id=17

athletics:
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basketball:
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[aaronaugi1]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=102578

Taxpayers may help fix airport
14th October 2008, 6:00 WST

But Mr Barnett, who announced a ministerial task force to address delays in approvals for infrastructure developments, mining projects and land releases, said the $1.1 billion Subiaco stadium was unlikely to be included in the wish list for any Federal infrastructure funds.

“That is not the sort of project that will come under Investment Australia. Investment Australia projects are about taking away bottlenecks . . .and for WA, particularly about new developments,” Mr Barnett said.



If the Feds are serious about their FIFA 2018 bid they will have to commit some of the IA funding, or arrange a special grant of sorts. FFA know they wont win the bid unless it includes venues from every corner of the country. A NSW/VIC/QLD bid simply wouldn't fly and FIFA has already acknowledged that.

Soccer could well be the sport that gets Perth its new stadium.

[bing222]

Cool thanks for that

[Direwolf]

If the Feds are serious about their FIFA 2018 bid they will have to commit some of the IA funding, or arrange a special grant of sorts. FFA know they wont win the bid unless it includes venues from every corner of the country. A NSW/VIC/QLD bid simply wouldn't fly and FIFA has already acknowledged that.

Soccer could well be the sport that gets Perth its new stadium.

I think he meant that it wouldn't fit into that category as IA funding is supposed to be for project which help industry such as ports roads and railways etc. not sure how a how sports stadium would fit into that.

There are other funds which may be more relevant.

[aaronaugi1]

I think he meant that it wouldn't fit into that category as IA funding is supposed to be for project which help industry such as ports roads and railways etc. not sure how a how sports stadium would fit into that.

There are other funds which may be more relevant.

Providing the railway and road upgrades surely would though. Even a cool $50m from the feds to assist with that station, mixed use development and Fremantle line upgrades would be a big boost to the project. NB Link is considered infrastructre.

There are plenty of stkaeholders that can be invovled in this project. Its ignorant to think the State Government will be putting up the whole $1.1billion...though i guess we've seen it in the past.

[Australiasia]

:dance2:In regards to the new basketball stadium will this be the new home for the Perth Wild Cats?

[docker]

:dance2:In regards to the new basketball stadium will this be the new home for the Perth Wild Cats?

it will be the training center, a replacement for perry lakes, but the wild cats will play at the new perth arena once complete.

[aaronaugi1]

but the wild cats will play at the new perth arena once complete.

are you sure about that..?

[docker]

it's the whole reason the carpark was included in the design. originally there was none, and the wild cats owner complained saying the team would not play there if there was no parking, so it got incorporated... so that would suggest they would still be playing there.

[aaronaugi1]

okey doke. i wasn't questioning you just didn't know there was any intetion to move the team. That sounds logical.

[Ari Gold]

Isnt the new AK too small anyways???

The wildcats regularly sell out Challenge and thats what 3,000 odd??

[aaronaugi1]

Isnt the new AK too small anyways???

The wildcats regularly sell out Challenge and thats what 3,000 odd??

Challenge is 4,300 roughly i believe. THe new AK Basketball Stadium will be around 2,000. Though the Perth Arena will be 12,000...just seems a little high for basketball in WA. Ofcourse, the PA could help attract more Boomers games to Perth.

[Scraperfan]

the cats used to sell out the ent centre with 8000 seats. hopefully with perths increasing population we coulg get capacity over the next 10 years.

[hack404]

okey doke. i wasn't questioning you just didn't know there was any intetion to move the team. That sounds logical.


Not sure there has been a definite agreement on them moving but it would be logical.

[BartBart]

it's the whole reason the carpark was included in the design. originally there was none, and the wild cats owner complained saying the team would not play there if there was no parking, so it got incorporated... so that would suggest they would still be playing there.

It will come down to how many people want to turn up regularly to Wildcats games obviously - as well as costs to rent it.

[BartBart]

Yesterday's West p52

Perth, Adelaide too small to host World Cup games
BRISBANE

The remaining home games of Australia's World Cup qualifying campaign will take place exclusively on the east coast, with the nation's soccer chief saying Perth and Adelaide no longer have big enough venues.

Football Federation Australia yesterday announced that what is expected to be the Socceroos' final competitive game before the 2010 World Cup in South Africa — against Japan next June — would be held at the MCG.

Their two preceding home qualifiers — against Uzbekistan in April and Bahrain in June — will be played in Sydney, most likely at ANZ Stadium.

The Socceroos are in Brisbane, preparing for their first home game of their final qualification phase against Qatar tomorrow night.

FFA chief executive Ben Buckley said the venue decisions were primarily based on where the team could pull the biggest crowds.

"It's not to say that there's not a very large following for the team in Perth or Adelaide, but venue type, venue structure, venue fit is very, very important," Buckley said.

"We would expect that we would have in excess of 80-90,000 people at a match here at the MCG, we can host a match in Sydney for 80,000 people, we can host a match in Brisbane for 55,000 people."

Mark Viduka raised hopes that he may return to the Socceroos fold by joining them yesterday as he turns to the national team's medical staff to help him overcome a debilitating injury.

Viduka, who has not played for Australia since last year's Asian Cup, met medical staff at the team hotel.

The 33-year-old is battling to overcome a painful Achilles tendon.

[Auxodium]

i respect the FFA's decision and it should be a warning sign to the WA and SA governments to build propper rectangle venues instead of one that pretends to cater for them but will refuse to do so like Docklands...

[samboy]

I don't think the govt or the majority of the perth public really cares. They'd be happier with a rectangular children's hospital!!
If we weren't already the most utilitarian city on the planet, the current economic crisis will make sure of that

[acc521]

Sad to say but the FFA's decision makes perfect sense :(

[repi]

i respect the FFA's decision and it should be a warning sign to the WA and SA governments to build propper rectangle venues instead of one that pretends to cater for them but will refuse to do so like Docklands...

Can you even read? They nominated the most circular venue in the country, the MCG, as a reason why games will remain in Melbourne! We do NOT need a dedicated rectangular stadium, because we will never have the market for one that seats enough people for world cup qualifiers. Best case scenario it would only ever have 35k seats.

This decision by the FFA is a clear warning sign that the WA govt should build a stadium as is planned - ie one which will have a capacity of over 50k, and which is capable of adequately housing rectangular sports.

[hack404]

i respect the FFA's decision and it should be a warning sign to the WA and SA governments to build propper rectangle venues instead of one that pretends to cater for them but will refuse to do so like Docklands...

It's not so much about the shape of the playing field or arena, it's more that the facilities are bad even by Australian standards.

Can you even read? They nominated the most circular venue in the country, the MCG, as a reason why games will remain in Melbourne! We do NOT need a dedicated rectangular stadium, because we will never have the market for one that seats enough people for world cup qualifiers. Best case scenario it would only ever have 35k seats.

FIFA have a requirement for World Cup finals tournament matches that all seats need to be within 190m of any part of the playing field. The MCG and Subiaco meets this requirement but Football Park doesn't. There are also other requirements like a flat surface which neither Subiaco or Football Park have (apparently there was supposed to be a resurfacing over this summer at Subiaco).

[Auxodium]

Can you even read? They nominated the most circular venue in the country, the MCG, as a reason why games will remain in Melbourne! We do NOT need a dedicated rectangular stadium, because we will never have the market for one that seats enough people for world cup qualifiers. Best case scenario it would only ever have 35k seats.

This decision by the FFA is a clear warning sign that the WA govt should build a stadium as is planned - ie one which will have a capacity of over 50k, and which is capable of adequately housing rectangular sports.

MCG is a small ground... subi is shyte and is poor... and the new stadium will not configure for the 2 rectangle sports even though it 'can'

[tayls84]

MCG is a small ground... subi is shyte and is poor... and the new stadium will not configure for the 2 rectangle sports even though it 'can'

Thanks for your great insight Aux, I shall remember to consult with you on all things stadium in the future. Your proliferation of negative, sarcastic posts in every thread is really starting to go too far.

[samboy]

Thanks for your great insight Aux, I shall remember to consult with you on all things stadium in the future. Your proliferation of negative, sarcastic posts in every thread is really starting to go too far.


truth hurts I know ;)

[Citystyle]

Governments in WA and SA will never build a dedicted rectangular stadium to host the world cup. The end!

[BartBart]

Governments in WA and SA will never build a dedicted rectangular stadium to host the world cup. The end!

It's not just for the World Cup - it is also for the qualifiers like the one just played in Brisbane. If we had the new stadium we would have been able to host one of the matches (assuming other criteria were met too, I assume)

[Dilaz89]

The new stadium would be able to cater for this event.

I really hope we get this stadium. If we don't built it now we will miss out on the 2018 world cup should it be hosted in Australia.

[Auxodium]

yeah it CAN cater for it... like docklands... but it wont be configured to suit it as the AFL boys would whinge too much... ;)

[Dilaz89]

stop speculating and actually read the report carefully.

[Auxodium]

im not speculating... it will happen... every ground that 'does it' wont bother...

wasnt the olympic stadium in sydney meant to do the same as docklands? ;)

[docker]

im not speculating... it will happen... every ground that 'does it' wont bother...

wasnt the olympic stadium in sydney meant to do the same as docklands? ;)

WTF are you talking about, the only reason Docklands never use the rectangular seating is because no one is willing to pay to have them moved. Rugby league just can't afford it, and Soccer say they won't pay for it and so does the management of docklands.

where as with the olympic stadium, that is configured in rectangle mode about 30 weekends of the year, it is left in AFL mode to allow the grass to grow and only for AFL/cricket games, otherwise it is in rugby mode.

and the perth stadium would do the same, it would be easier, quicker and cheaper to move than either of the previously mentioned stadiums and it will also do less damage to the grass than either of the former as well.

so stop saying that the stands will not be moved, and for now lets just hope the damn things gets built. then after that we can worry about a rectangle stadium.

[stadiumdesigner]

im not speculating... it will happen... every ground that 'does it' wont bother...

wasnt the olympic stadium in sydney meant to do the same as docklands? ;)

idiot

sydney olympic stadium is predominatly in rectangle form

[Auxodium]

lol they shouldnt have to pay to have the stadium reconfigure... lol but i can see the new stadium in perth being the same as docklands... can move, but wont

we shouldnt worry about this.. it will get built eventually... Perth loves their sports and people in power will get it back on the drafting table

[docker]

i gotta say i am really scared that barnett will choose the Subiaco renovations choice, which everyone has figured out is wrong. but i do have this horrible feeling about it.

[Auxodium]

all talk and fluff... it wont happen

[acc521]

If by that you mean nothing will happen for another few years regarding a concrete decision than I unforunately have to agree with you.

[samboy]

cart before the horse people. I really really really really really doubt we'll be getting a stadium. All votes are pointing to HOSPITALS.

May be revamped Subi

[Auxodium]

or just the same as we have now...

[docker]

this is from some months ago, Neal Fong, Chairman of WAFC

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but this is from now

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/costs-blow-out-but-stadium-still-in-limbo-20081017-534f.html

Costs blow out but stadium still in limbo
* Tim Clarke
* October 17, 2008 - 3:14PM

Sports minister Terry Waldron has said he refuses to be rushed on any decision on the in-limbo new stadium for Western Australia - despite admitting continued delays over the future of the project could push up costs even further.

A month after Colin Barnett produced his shock ousting of the Carpenter government at the state election, there has been precious little movement or comment from the new administration over the development of Subiaco Oval.

With speculation the multi-billion dollar plans for a brand new stadium at Kitchener Park are likely to be scrapped - particularly with the Royalties for Regions commitment at $700m-a-year - no news has seemed like bad news for the future of the project.

But Waldron said today that he was still getting up to speed on the issues - not quietly sharpening his pen to write off the plans.

"I am sure we are going to make a decision, and there is a need for a quality stadium in WA there is no doubt about that. It is easy to rush in and make a decision that is going to seem popular - we are not going to do that," Waldron said.

"When I am recommending to my premier and treasurer what should happen I want to make sure that I am satisfied in my own mind that it is the best thing for WA

"That process is going to take me a little while, and I am not going to be rushed into going into something that I am not comfortable with.

"I want to acknowledge the work that was done by the task force, and I have been looking at that closely, a lot of people have put in a lot of time and I don't want to waste that - that would be silly."

As well as the new stadium, uncertainty also surrounds the future of the WACA's proposed cricket academy, with $5 million election campaign commitments from both John Howard and Alan Carpenter now meaningless given their political plights.

At the WACA today to pose with the iconic Sheffield Shield trophy, Waldron was less keen to stand by the pre-election Liberal promise that they would match the funding committed by Labor for the project earmarked for McGilvray Oval.

"We are looking at all the options open to us at the moment, the stadium issue, a whole lot of priorities for sporting facilities," Waldron said.

"I am three weeks into being a minister, have had quite a few briefings already, and I have already met with Graeme (Wood) and it is one of the things we are looking at but I cannot make a commitment at this stage

"I have got to look at the whole gamut of our facilities, I am not going to rush in and make any decision until I as a minister am properly informed.

"But cricket is very important and the idea of a centre of excellence is one that is very appealing."


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god damn it, just build me my stadium!

[Swan]

i really dont know why people are surprised why perth has no new stadium and most are shocked at the cancellation of new skyscrapers......


perth is CONSERVATIVE.

accept it and move on...even after 3-4 million, it will never look as big as melbourne/syndey/brisbane

i am just glad that a city of 1.5 million acts like a town of 0.5m people....cos it could be worse

[WAuzzie]

1.6 thank you.

[PD]

1.6 thank you.

Is it true that Mandurahs population is not counted in the metro count?

So should not Perth be regarded as a City of 1.7 million?

[acc521]

It's arguable whether Perth should even be refered to as a city :lol:

[RocStar]

I will be devastated if we miss out on getting a new stadium. ..But if this is the worse outcome, it aint too bad I guess.

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Having said that we would probably need a new rectangular stadium and one other thing, this stadium can’t have its capacity extended. ..Fuken hell, it’s a no brainer to build a new stadium.

[BartBart]

But doesn't that render look horrible with Roberts Road limiting the size of the stands on the southern side?

[Swan]

Perth cup plan in the balance
Adrian Lowe October 19, 2008

PERTH risks being removed from Australia's bid for the 2018 soccer World Cup because the West Australian Government has failed to commit to a new stadium.

In February, the previous Labor government promised $1.1 billion for a new stadium at Kitchener Park, next to Subiaco Oval. Plans for Perth to host World Cup matches depend on whether the stadium will be built. But new Liberal Premier Colin Barnett and Sports Minister Terry Waldron have refused to give any guarantees.

The new stadium is designed to seat 60,000. AFL, rugby league, union and A-League matches would be played at Kitchener Park. Subiaco Oval would continue operating with a 40,000 capacity until the proposed new stadium is two-thirds complete in 2014. Subiaco would then be demolished and an additional 20,000 seats added to the new stadium in time for the 2016 AFL season.

The new stadium would underpin WA's support for the 2018 World Cup bid and ensure it received a fair share of games, Waldron's predecessor, John Kobelke, promised earlier this year.

But Waldron said on Friday that while he understood the new ground was needed, he would not be rushed into a decision.

"It is easy to rush in and make a decision that is going to seem popular — we are not going to do that," he told Fairfax's watoday.com.au.

Football Federation of Australia chief executive Ben Buckley warned last month that Adelaide would continue to be off the radar until it had a "modern, first-class, multipurpose venue" with up to 60,000 seats.

[chrisaus]

$1Billion+ is a lot of money for a gain of only 16,000 seats, i'd prefer that money be invested in road, rail, northbridge link, watefront, and police/hospital facilities.

[perthgazer]

It's not just a gain in seats, it's a radically different environment, with a capacity for a range of sports - and an ability to expand for another 10,000

Remember the stadium component was $850m, the rest for transport infrastructure and land resumption.

And it will trigger a lot of investment, the Town of Cambridge is already undertaking a study to 'link' leederville/west leederville and subi through a redevelopment of west leederville

[chrisaus]

Yeah i know subi is a cramped hell hole, but at the end of the day I hate afl, so i much prefer the money spent on things that will benifit me :) also $1billion sounds abit conservative to me, add what constructions prices would be when it was supposed to be built and I would have thought closer to 1 1/2 billion - 2 billion for a decent large stadium

[perthgazer]

yeh i dont care much for AFL at all either, i'm just annoyed we'd been promised something and it's been snatched away from us.

[chrisaus]

basicly highlights the problem with giving government the responsibility of spending our money and making decisions for us, ie network city all that time and money to implement it and its going, then libs will introduce somehting that will again go when the next govt get in...

[Dockside]

Im sorry, but it would be$$BILLIONS$$worth$while, any exposure to the World Cup in 2018 (if it happens) would pay for the stadium in no time...its the possibility of a World cup in Australia (its bigger than the Olympics) Im sure you guys would like to see it come to Perth too, not just for it to stay on the East coast.............

[chrisaus]

I could hardly see perth playing a major role if we did get the world cup, look at the rugby world cup we had 4 games, and no finals, hardly would have made billions.

[wexford]

I could hardly see perth playing a major role if we did get the world cup, look at the rugby world cup we had 4 games, and no finals, hardly would have made billions.

Keep in mind one of those games was ENG vs SAF, arguably one of the four biggest games of the entire tournament.

I'm wasn't even a rugby fan but I went to every match (except that one, d'oh!) and love every minute. Doesn't matter who was playing, it was still a world cup :)

[city_thing]

I don't like Australia's chances of getting the World Cup anyway. The WC is a massive event, and Australian cities are too far apart for people to travel between games. It's not like Germany where every city is 2 hours away on an ICE Train. If Australia did get the WC, then my bet would be that there would be no games played in Perth even if there was a new stadium. The only cities that would get games would be Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne, maybe Geelong, Adelaide, Gold Coast etc. etc.

Perth's just too far away.

[BartBart]

The politics (and other factors - read articles by Jennings) around FIFA will likely prevent Australia being a host.

[acc521]

Australia has a much better chance of hosting the 2022 World Cup. Like has been suggested though FIFA is a very political and biased organisation - we need to make more friends in AFC/FIFA first.

Regarding Perth, it will only ever be a few first round matches that are played here. All the games from the round of 16 onwards would be held over east.

[chrisaus]

dont let aux see this thread

[Auxodium]

too late.

To be honest i just cant see Australia hosting the WC... FIFA knows that Australia is more than capable of hosting as shown with the 200 olympics and the 2003 Rugby Union World Cup and other major events in the past.

As for the Perth stadium... if it falls through id rather the billion odd dollars spent on nbridge links etc etc. But Subiaco is a cramped hell hole and i dont really care much for AFL either hence why i have been somewhat against this stadium over the past...

The Western Force are in negotiations with the new sporting minister to get the 25-30 million dollars to get MES upgraded to a 25k stadium as they are annoyed at the kitchener stadium plan going down the gurgler

[docker]

Grylls should not be talking about this issue, he is neither the sports minister, the infrastructure minister nor the premier so he has no jurisdiction over this issue and therefore should shut up!

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2433/image001zs4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and clearly cabinet are idiots if they don't realise that in the long run the new stadium will result in more seats than an upgrade, better conditions and suit more sports, but will actually cost less.

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:gaah:

I WANT MY STADIUM!

[chrisaus]

pffft sif the dockers could fill a stadium :)

[acc521]

Subi will be upgraded then in 10 years time we will be in need of a new stadium and everyone will be saying "if only we'd done it properly back in 2009". Stupid short-sighted city. Argh!!!!

[BartBart]

I can't believe anyone is truly trotting out the $460million value for the Subi bandaid option. It doesn't include other required civil works needed for that option whereas the $1.1billion does. So all that is trying to be done is to pretend that the difference between the two "options" is bigger than it really is. The WAFC were pushing originally for the bandaid option - hence the lower joke of a costing.

[Ari Gold]

So instead of having a Iconic 'World Class' stadium, we will end up having 2 ok band-aid stadiums with buckleys chance at hosting 'world class events'? Now that is what I call fucking bullshit.

1.1 billion for a new stadium. 460 mill (which is a bullshit figure but anyways) for patch up subi and what 300 mill for MES to be up to standard??? Ummm stop being a tight arse for a second and do something.

MES should cease to operate. Its on prime real estate yet no one fucking cares about that fucking joint. Glory fans dont and you expect the Force fans to??? Its a FOOTY ground FFS transformed into a makeshift soccer ground.


You can go on about the roads and pt and hospitals etc which is all valid. But we spend money on this shit every year and a stadium if done properly will be an issue every 40 odd years. How can Brisbane and Melbourne get it so fucking right whilst we be left to suffer with a shithole called Subi Oval.


Build the fucking thing. Please your fucking people so they stop fucking leaving your town (oops i meant city). Issue over for 40 fucking years.



RANT FUCKING OVER. :bash:

[Perth4life]

fuck

[samboy]

Yeah i know subi is a cramped hell hole, but at the end of the day I hate afl, so i much prefer the money spent on things that will benifit me :) also $1billion sounds abit conservative to me, add what constructions prices would be when it was supposed to be built and I would have thought closer to 1 1/2 billion - 2 billion for a decent large stadium


hey chris, out of all people you shouldn't be making that sort of comment. The reason is why perth is the way it is ie because of that short sighted attitude by the public.
Like many other things it's not about just a stadium and it's not about just afl it's about making Perth a more mature city that can be taken seriously on an intl level. People in this town fail to see beyond that most obvious cause and effect scenario and can't grasp the big picture.

[hack404]

Is it true that Mandurahs population is not counted in the metro count?

So should not Perth be regarded as a City of 1.7 million?



Mandurah is a regional city...

[hack404]

I don't like Australia's chances of getting the World Cup anyway. The WC is a massive event, and Australian cities are too far apart for people to travel between games. It's not like Germany where every city is 2 hours away on an ICE Train. If Australia did get the WC, then my bet would be that there would be no games played in Perth even if there was a new stadium. The only cities that would get games would be Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne, maybe Geelong, Adelaide, Gold Coast etc. etc.

Perth's just too far away.

If we had a 60k stadium we would be getting at least one of the significant games. Opening matches, semi-finals and the final all have to be played in stadia at or above 60k capacity. At this point only Sydney and Melbourne have stadia meeting that criteria meaning that there would probably be a semi-final or at the very least one of the quarter finals up for grabs...

[Lowdy79]

So instead of having a Iconic 'World Class' stadium, we will end up having 2 ok band-aid stadiums with buckleys chance at hosting 'world class events'? Now that is what I call fucking bullshit.

1.1 billion for a new stadium. 460 mill (which is a bullshit figure but anyways) for patch up subi and what 300 mill for MES to be up to standard??? Ummm stop being a tight arse for a second and do something.

MES should cease to operate. Its on prime real estate yet no one fucking cares about that fucking joint. Glory fans dont and you expect the Force fans to??? Its a FOOTY ground FFS transformed into a makeshift soccer ground.


You can go on about the roads and pt and hospitals etc which is all valid. But we spend money on this shit every year and a stadium if done properly will be an issue every 40 odd years. How can Brisbane and Melbourne get it so fucking right whilst we be left to suffer with a shithole called Subi Oval.


Build the fucking thing. Please your fucking people so they stop fucking leaving your town (oops i meant city). Issue over for 40 fucking years.



RANT FUCKING OVER. :bash:


I agree 100% with you.

With a new stadium cricket can be played either the waca or perth stadium.Most games will be at the waca,when the aussies comes to town they can play at perth stadium and double what the waca could do.
We will not host a bledisloe Cup and will only host england because they fell sorry us.

[Walbanger]

As bloody frustrating this all is, we can't only try and keep faith that the likes of John Langoulant and the Taskforce team are rightly furious about this mess after their superb efforst and $2 million of public money. They have and will be the voices the Premier has to listen to.

I was annoyed to read the laitest on the weekend but that's what I deserve for reading the Sundaytimes.

[samboy]

forget about the stadium guys (for the time being). Backburner for sure.
Focus on NB link - It has the highest chance of all projects to proceed.

[Scraperfan]

how can we get the idea of getting burswood to privately build it on the peninsula, to the people that need to hear that message?

Would be so awesome to package as a future perth idea in an article. dan, where art thou??

[ryan79]

Yeah plus I'd rather wait than redevelop Subi.

But seriously this needed to happen years ago.

I've come to terms with the fact this city will frustrate me for at minimum the next 10 years.

[hack404]

how can we get the idea of getting burswood to privately build it on the peninsula, to the people that need to hear that message?
Would be so awesome to package as a future perth idea in an article. dan, where art thou??

Apparently people in the Packer group did a feasibility study into building a couple of stadiums at Burswood in exchange for gaming concessions.

[Dilaz89]

Are there any examples of private stadium development in Australia?

Just saw Colin on 7 news. They ran with the stadium again. I can imagine that this is going to piss a fair few people off and its high time labor came out with the facts like

-$2m study done that found that we need a new stadium and a redeveloped subi would be a waste.

- Stadium group already set up to oversee the planning, design and construction phase of the project.

- This is our once in a lifetime opportunity to get it done

[aaronaugi1]

Are there any examples of private stadium development in Australia?

Just saw Colin on 7 news. They ran with the stadium again. I can imagine that this is going to piss a fair few people off and its high time labor came out with the facts like

-$2m study done that found that we need a new stadium and a redeveloped subi would be a waste.

- Stadium group already set up to oversee the planning, design and construction phase of the project.

- This is our once in a lifetime opportunity to get it done

I guess Colonial Stadium is the closest thing thats come to a private stadium development in Australia.

I'm kind of in favour of dropping the whole "international, retractable stadium" deal. A fixed oval for cricket, AFL and athletics would be fine with me, so long as it was paired with a high quaility 40,000 seat rectangular stadium. Before anyone shoots off about Glory and Western Force attendances, just imagine the international rugby, international football, concert, rally events and gaelic opportunities that it could produce. If Perth wants to create an "international" venue it really needs to be of the dedeicated rectangular variety.

Perth really demands a seperate rectangular and oval shaped venues.

[Scrawny]

Athletics and cricket don't mix mate.

[aaronaugi1]

Athletics and cricket don't mix mate.

both would be temporary uses (ie; IAAF, Commonwealths or Ashes, v India etc)

[acc521]

I don't understand why there isn't any private investment being sought. All the complaining about how much more expensive the new stadium option is by Barnett and no consideration to the idea. I mean Arsenal would have never got their new stadium if it wasn't for funding from Emirates and look how good that has turned out for the club and fans a few years on.

[RocStar]

Can someone(s) please tell him as to why we need a new stadium.

Honourable Colin Barnett MEc MLA
Premier; Minister for State Development
Address: 24th Floor, Governor Stirling Tower, 197 St Georges Terrace, PERTH WA 6000
Telephone: 9222 9888
Fax: 9322 1213
e-Mail: wa-government@dpc.wa.gov.au

[WAuzzie]

Honourable? hah. kiss my ass.

[RocStar]

Yeah I was going to change that but thought best not.

[docker]

umm can someone with more articulation and better grammar and other Literature Skills (i'm looking in your direction Homeroids, I know your good at this type of thing) please provide these points and any others you can think of in an email to Premier Barnett, in which Rocstar provided a link to, and perhaps also to the Sports Minister Terry Waldron. I would but i am not that good at english or letter writing or putting my thoughts into coherent sentences.


Will provide Perth with a better chance to hold markee Socceroos and Wallabies Test Matches
Will provide the opportunity to host one of the Semi-Finals of the Soccer World Cup if Australia wins the right.
Puts Perth in a better position to host a commonwealth games than a currently
Will provide proper facilities and decent sightlines for rectangle code sports fans within a stadium which has a capacity to hold all the fans of that code
Will provide Perth residents with a much improved facilities to the current shit hole called Subiaco Oval, ie waiting in line for food and drinks, toilets, covered areas, proper seating for people with large arse's and long legs)
Provide Perth with a World Renowned Stadium which would probably be better than any other in Australia (Think Allianz Arena)
The $1.1b price tag for a new Stadium (at Kitchener park) includes only $850m for the actual stadium with $300m for infrastructure such as roads railways and stations and resumptions of properties (inlcuding relocating the HomeWest residents)
The $654m price tag (the most recent provided by the Task Force) for the redevelopment of Subiaco Oval does not, (so you need to increase this figure by atleast $300m for a more resounding price)
The new stadium would cater for rectangle codes, where as a redevelopment would not, which would mean a new Rectangular stadium would need to be built (either the cheapest option of redeveloping MES for atleast $150m or a more pricey new stadium for $450m) which in the end means to cater FOR ALL SPORTS the new Kitchener Park Multi-Purpose Stadium would be the most cost effective option.
Time has shown that Redevelopment will only lead to another redevelopment several years later meaning more money will be wasted
The Proposed Kitchener Park Stadium would hold 5,000 more seats than a redeveloped Subiaco Oval and would also allow for the expansion to 70,000 with ease, whereas the expansion of a Redeveloped Subiaco Oval would be painful and expensive (as such would need to resume houses on the south of Roberts Road need to demolish a currently proposed stand)
A redevelopment of Subiaco Oval would lower the capacity of Subiaco Oval for several years, compared to no disruptions to capacity for a New Kitchener Park stidium to be built.
Tourist would be spending millions of dollars everytime they come to Perth to watch events (such as the Bledisloe Cup) which Perth would otherwise not be able to hold with out a NEW Kitchener Park Stadium
A Redeveloped Stadium would not provide the same opportunities for urban renewal a new stadium would (Town Of Cambridge feasibility study into redeveloping West Leederville to connect Subiaco with Leederville)
The fact that the building of a new stadium would be a one off cost to the government and you should only get one chance to build something great instead of forever regret building a cheap nasty redevelopment and then have to fix it, whereas hospitals, roads, etc are constantly being needed to be fixed and upgraded every year at the expense of taxpayers.


there is no doubt there are plenty of more options for it.

edit: another one i thought of, is look at the bell tower and the convention centre, both of those were scaled down from there original versions (the original version being the new stadium) and the scaled down version of both turned out shit as will a redevelopment of subiaco oval, IT MUST BE DONE PROPERLY!

[WAuzzie]

send that to collin, the sports dude, as well as letters @ the west.

[samboy]

As much as I'd like to see this happen, be careful what you wish for. i.e If you had to prioritize the initiatives (and let's not kid ourselves it HAS to be prioritised in light of recent developments) which ones would you like to see happen first.

[Homeroids]

Plain and simple - Colin B is showing he is not the brightest spark in the universe when it comes to this topic. Making blanket political statements (or is that misinformed statements) that 1.1b is a lot for only 20k seats shows he has no concept about what the stadium Taskforce undertook. It shows he is trying to hide behind a picket fence that has a big sign on it, "Royalities for Regions".

I can't see this government going past Xmas. We have Grylls consistently making comments on topics outside his portfolio (though it's not all his fault since he is constantly asked) and we have Colin using Ethereal arguments, ignoring all the information from the Taskforce. It's a tale of 2 Premiers.

It's become a meltdown and to be honest, I would prefer that this thing be dropped. It is INSANE to proceed with a redevelopment costed at 800m for another 12k seats and still be left with what is inherently a junk stadium bandaided piece of shite.

If you ARE going to do it, do it properly.

[hack404]

Provide Perth with a World Renowned Stadium which would probably be better than any other in Australia (Think Allianz Arena)

Which incidentally cost about 300m euros.

[Sanj]

I don't understand why there isn't any private investment being sought. All the complaining about how much more expensive the new stadium option is by Barnett and no consideration to the idea. I mean Arsenal would have never got their new stadium if it wasn't for funding from Emirates and look how good that has turned out for the club and fans a few years on.

i think the idea of private investment sounds good in principle but will be a bit hard in practice, especially with WAFL being ultra knobs etc.

emirates was different as it was a case of all the benefits going to arsenal whereas there are so many different stakeholders involved in this, not least john smith from bunbury etc

[docker]

:gaah:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7084/image001uu8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[BartBart]

So, in other words spend more and get less capacity (and quality) in a Subi Oval bandaid (compared to a new stadium), whilst the poorly supported soccer and small number of games Rugby Union get a new-ish one.

[Dilaz89]

The liberals did it once and by looks of things will do it again.

How anyone can vote for them is beyond me. They're pure scum.

[samboy]

let's not get too excited. I really can't see them spending 800million on subi either. We'll probably get nothing. Also don't let the headline fool you. Read the content carefully which is a lot less 'definitive' than the headline would suggest.

[BartBart]

Not just referring to that article, but rather the constant hinting of the Subi Oval bandaid option by the Government being favoured.

[Dilaz89]

yeah, its there between the lines.

As far as Barnett is concearned, the new stadium is Labor project therefore should be thrown out.

[ryan79]

What amazes me is how they can't see that for an extra 300mil they get a brand new stadium that'll last 50 years rather than completely wasting money on a band aid to last maybe 10 years.

Work it out on a ROI level and it makes absolutely no fiscal sense.

But seriously why would people be outraged on 1.1 Billion on a NEW stadium but not 800 mil on a shit patch up job. Where is the sanity?

[samboy]

it'll get thrown out because it appeals to the masses BUT if that's the sacrificial lamb which may hopefully help the cause of the NB link and possibly the foreshore then it's a price I'm happy to pay.
I very very very much doubt that they'll scrap the stadium for an 800 million job on subi. It'll be nothing or a real cheap job on the latter. Like some sort of staged bshit where they'll be out of govt after stage 1 anyway and we'll be waiting another lifetime for something decent

[ryan79]

Nah do it properly or put it on hold.

[acc521]

What amazes me is that we have a bloody massive, indepth taskforce report that looks at all the options and examines the pros and cons. I have not heard Colin's justification for ignoring all the logic in the report.

[docker]

totally agree with ryan, i am happy for the stadium to be put on hold for 5 years or up to ten, if i know it will be done properly and not a half arsed job, if it is a half arsed job, i hope it doesn't go ahead at all.

[acc521]

The problem being was that if everything started when it should have, it would have been ready by 2016. Delaying by 5 years means it won't be done until 2021! This is endemic of Perth and it's attitude towards 'getting the job done' in general.

And they wonder why young, innovative go getters are leaving...

[Mat_351]

Doesn't Grylls realise that country people attend Subiaco Oval too? They would benefit from its replacement as much as anyone else. Have any of you been for a drive in the country lately...with the obesity rate out there I would have thought they would be demanding wider seats compared with the snug ones we have at Subi at the moment.

But I agree 10000% either do it properly (ie replace Subiaco) or leave it as is and wait for Labor to return to power. Commiting to patching up Subiaco locks us in to a second rate option for decades and as far as I can see it will probably cost us more overall with the need for a rectangular ground aswell. Plus a redeveloped Subiaco oval will be at capacity with no further option to expand in the future. What do we do when that is too small? Spend $3billion on a new stadium in 2030?

As much as I want a better stadium if money is tight I think it is best to forget all about the stadium for now and focus on other priorities...

[Homeroids]

In the paper today, it is reported that Colin is going to read the Taskforce report (yes, completely amazing that this dimwit has been making commentary on this project without reading the taskforce report, though he admitted he was 'aware' of some of the things that were in the report). And, in the West editorial, what was written mirrored my comments (previous page) to almost the letter (without the personal critique of Colin) saying that if you are going to upgrade Subiaco, don't bother.

Word of advice for Colin, if you don't know the facts, safer to lean with caution - hold of commentary until you know the facts. So now we have a situation where he is going to finally read the Taskforce report but politically speaking he has got himself in a nice little corner.

This project has become the victim of irrational bickering and the games, that the so called wise older people, play. In other words - politics. I detest politics in every form and this is but another example. The rational thing is never done.

There are simply 2 options here, Colin! One, build a new stadium, one that caters for more than just AFL. Two, do not build it for now and delay it.

Redevelopment is NOT an option. If you believe it is this merely proves you are not that intelligent but politically driven by misguided delusion.

[docker]

In the paper today, it is reported that Colin is going to read the Taskforce report (yes, completely amazing that this dimwit has been making commentary on this project without reading the taskforce report, though he admitted he was 'aware' of some of the things that were in the report). And, in the West editorial, what was written mirrored my comments (previous page) to almost the letter (without the personal critique of Colin) saying that if you are going to upgrade Subiaco, don't bother.

Word of advice for Colin, if you don't know the facts, safer to lean with caution - hold of commentary until you know the facts. So now we have a situation where he is going to finally read the Taskforce report but politically speaking he has got himself in a nice little corner.

This project has become the victim of irrational bickering and the games, that the so called wise older people, play. In other words - politics. I detest politics in every form and this is but another example. The rational thing is never done.

There are simply 2 options here, Colin! One, build a new stadium, one that caters for more than just AFL. Two, do not build it for now and delay it.

Redevelopment is NOT an option. If you believe it is this merely proves you are not that intelligent but politically driven by misguided delusion.

it sounds like you want to write a letter to both the editor and to Colin. i say do it. ;) and use my dot points from the previous page :D

[Homeroids]

hehe I am tempted but this takes some time. I will see.

[samboy]

As I said before that is the most likely outcome. I don't think they'll redevelop Subi at the pricetag that's been reported. Makes no sense and from a financial perspective it may save them less than 100million per year.

The likely outcome is delaying the project. By then someone else will be in power and we'll start all over again. FFwd to 2020.

[city_thing]

I felt so sorry for you Docker when I heard that the stadium was in jeopardy.

And the Subiaco redevelopment is so half-arsed. I expect the WAFC will find it much easier whispering into Barnett's ear than Carpenter's.

[docker]

^^the thing is, the WAFC now actually want the new stadium, they have realised it is the better option, which pretty much means the only people who want the redevelopment are the people who would never use it like the minister who was saying the money should be spent on Aboriginies health. Or Grylls, who is saying build the redevelopment instead of a new one. Everyone who is actually involved in the stadium (fans, officials, the TASKFORCE) all want and understand we need a new one.

NEWS BLOG - Should stadium plans be scrapped? (http://blogs.thewest.com.au/news/news-blog-should-stadium-plans-be-scrapped/)

Stadium task force chairman John Langoulant has urged the Government to make the effort to understand the issue, because “the next generation of West Australians will have to deal with” the decision it made.

Neither Premier Colin Barnett nor Nationals leader Brendon Grylls has read the $1.7 million stadium task force report, despite casting doubt on its finding that Perth needs a 60,000-seat multi-purpose venue.

Mr Langoulant warned that trying to rebuild on the Subiaco Oval site would be more expensive than a new stadium and would not offer any solution for rectangular field sports.

It would need significant housing and road resumptions.

[Homeroids]

As I said, it begs to ask - where is the commentary coming from in regards to our Premier? He doesn't read the taskforce report. Has he read the Landcorp Waterfront report? Probably not and I conclude this because he seems to think that this would be a government funded project with no recouping of the funds. Looks like Colin needs to read up on the details of this project too?

It might help to get informed, Colin. Knowledge is power. But hey who said politics had anything to do with knowledge?

[izza]

Doesn't Grylls realise that country people attend Subiaco Oval too? They would benefit from its replacement as much as anyone else. Have any of you been for a drive in the country lately...with the obesity rate out there I would have thought they would be demanding wider seats compared with the snug ones we have at Subi at the moment.

But I agree 10000% either do it properly (ie replace Subiaco) or leave it as is and wait for Labor to return to power. Commiting to patching up Subiaco locks us in to a second rate option for decades and as far as I can see it will probably cost us more overall with the need for a rectangular ground aswell. Plus a redeveloped Subiaco oval will be at capacity with no further option to expand in the future. What do we do when that is too small? Spend $3billion on a new stadium in 2030?

As much as I want a better stadium if money is tight I think it is best to forget all about the stadium for now and focus on other priorities...

I have numerous family and friends in country areas and talking to them they are just as excited as us in Perth for the new stadium to go ahead.
The reason, unlike subi now they will actually be able to get seats and go see atleast one LIVE game a year.
Currently its so hard, near on impossible for them to get seats, cause the games are always sold out and not enough seats.
If grills cared about his country friends he would want this stadium to go ahead, but then i thought him being a MP probly alows him free entry to any game he wants.

[docker]

My God these people are FUCKING ANNOYING@!

http://blogs.thewest.com.au/news/news-blog-should-stadium-plans-be-scrapped/

they all comment but none of them have any clue on what is actually happening. It's not an AFL Stadium, it is a Western Australian Stadium which will host AFL games as well as many other events.

[Dilaz89]

Barnett, Grylls still to read stadium task force case despite reservations

22nd October 2008, 6:00 WST
Neither Colin Barnett nor Brendon Grylls has read the $1.7 million stadium task force report, despite casting doubt on its finding that Perth needs a 60,000-seat multi-purpose venue.

Task force chairman John Langoulant confirmed yesterday no one from Mr Barnett’s Government had asked him to explain the report.

A spokesman for Mr Barnett said he was aware of its contents but had not read it. “He will, however, read the report in full and discuss the issue with John Langoulant prior to entering the decision-making process on the stadium,” he said.

Mr Barnett and Sports Minister Terry Waldron will be briefed on Perth’s stadium options tomorrow by project representatives and consultants who worked with the task force.

On Friday, the Government is due to meet AFL chief Andrew Demetriou to further discuss the issue.

Mr Langoulant described both briefings as “critical” to the future of the project.

He urged the Government to make the effort to understand the issue, because “the next generation of West Australians will have to deal with” the decision it made.

Mr Langoulant warned that trying to rebuild on the Subiaco Oval site would be more expensive than a new stadium and would not offer any solution for rectangular field sports. It would need significant housing and road resumptions.

MARK DUFFIELD

[city_thing]

I dare say that even if the Liberals did decide to go ahead with the stadium, it will hardly be an architectual triumph and will probably be inadequate. Why build a 60,000 seater when you can build one for 55,000 and save a bit of money?

[hack404]

I dare say that even if the Liberals did decide to go ahead with the stadium, it will hardly be an architectual triumph and will probably be inadequate. Why build a 60,000 seater when you can build one for 55,000 and save a bit of money?

The 60k stadium proposal includes the potential for future expansion. Future expansion of the proposed patch-up job would involve some pretty dramatic infrastructure work including rerouting a relatively important arterial road.

[city_thing]

Maybe the Liberals can borrow an idea from the Taliban and use the stadium for executions? It would certainly be more interesting than Rugby internationals. They could use the stadium to 'silence' anyone that dares to not think of the children by supporting day light savings and money being spent on things other than health.

FEATURE-Afghan soccer field haunted by Taliban executions

KABUL, Sept 13 (Reuters) - The grass has grown in Kabul's soccer stadium where the Taliban used to stage public executions, but few Afghans dare visit in the evenings, believing that the souls of the victims still roam the sprawling grounds.

"Too much blood has flown here," says Mohammad Nasim as he mowed the lush green grass in the stadium under a warm afternoon sun, a little oasis ringed by brown hills away from the bustle of the street.

The goalposts, where the black-turbaned Taliban used to force convicts to kneel before executing them or from which they hung the severed arms or legs of thieves for all to see, have been given a fresh coat of white paint.

New portraits of Afghanistan's leaders, including late King Zahir Shah, President Hamid Karzai, anti-Taliban hero Ahmad Shah Masood and the country's latest star, Olympic taekwondo bronze medallist Rohallah Nikpai, hang from the empty stands.

The Afghanistan Olympic Committee has set up its office in the stadium's red building and there are pictures of Nikpai, the country's first Olympic medal winner, being feted.

But try as they might, few Afghans can put behind them the brutality of the Taliban years when men, and sometimes cowering women in their pale blue, all-enveloping burqas, were brought into the stadium to be either stoned or shot dead at close range.

Others had limbs amputated for crimes ranging from robbery to adultery and murder.

The stands would be full of people, including children, either coming of their own volition or brought in to witness how the Taliban enforced its version of justice.

"Now nobody comes here in the evening, even we don't go inside," says Nabeel Qari, a young guard at the entrance to the stadium. "Everyone believes the place is haunted, that the souls of the dead people are not at rest even now."

BODIES FLUNG INTO VANS

The Taliban also executed convicts in a huge open ground across the street from the stadium, where they would bring them in the back of open-topped vans, shoot them in the head at close range and fling the bodies back in the vans.

Nasim said he saw two of his relatives shot dead and another hanged in the soccer stadium for possessing arms that a Taliban court concluded in a summary trial were intended to be used against them.

He remembers people streaming into the stadium to watch the executions. It was usually over within minutes, with the men lined up near the soccer field's penalty spot and shot, blood oozing out as they slumped to the ground.

Some people shouted Allahu Akbar (God is Greatest) from the stands as they watched.

"My relatives were innocent, like so many others who died here," Nasim said.

So much blood has been spilled on the football field and seeped into the soil below that Nasim says a previous attempt to grow grass there failed.

Then the Afghan government asked the company that he worked for to redevelop the stadium in a project costing about $50,000. The soil was dug up to a depth of half a metre and replaced.

"We put a new layer of soil so that players would not be stepping on to the blood of so many people," Nasim said.

Last month his team worked overtime to make sure the grass was freshly watered and the stadium spruced up for taekwondo star Nikpai's welcome party.

"We are working hard to ensure this again becomes a good place for sports," Nasim says.

[hack404]

Maybe the Liberals can borrow an idea from the Taliban and use the stadium for executions? It would certainly be more interesting than Rugby internationals. They could use the stadium to 'silence' anyone that dares to not think of the children by supporting day light savings and money being spent on things other than health.

It would give new meaning to the term Multi-Purpose Venue.

[Auxodium]

that is sad i would (the US should) propose a new stadium built as i wouldnt want to go to a ground that used to be used for that use...

[hack404]

that is sad i would (the US should) propose a new stadium built as i wouldnt want to go to a ground that used to be used for that use...

In reference to a stadium used for executions?

[Bump]

I think he meant AFL

I sent a letter to Terry Waldron aka the Sports Minister voting against the redevlopment.

[hack404]

I think he meant AFL

It didn't make sense if it was about AFL.


I sent a letter to Terry Waldron aka the Sports Minister voting against the redevlopment.

Wasn't he a long-time WAFC employee?

[Auxodium]

In reference to a stadium used for executions?

yes the afghani stadium apologies

[Bump]

A bit of googling leads me to say Terry was General Manager of the West Australian Country Football League during the period 1992 to 2001. I assume that's an arm of the WAFC. He was a good cricketer and footballer from wiki, played WAFL and SANFL.

[Ari Gold]

Option 1: Build the stadium in accordance with labor's plans resulting in a finished 'world class stadium' by 2016.

Option 2: Redeveloped Subi.

Option 3: Wait Awhile. Only for these absolute cunt-bags to realise we actually need a stadium and therefore the cost will be 1.5 billion.





Problem - 2003

Solution - 2016 earliest (if ever)

Welcome to Perth Babbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbby. :horse::horse:

[Homeroids]

A word of advice to Barney Rubble:

In the paper today on page 9 is an article saying that the WAFC does not support a redevelopment of Subiaco oval. They reiterate just a few of the sound reasons that the Taskforce pointed out.

In Mr Barnett's infinite wisdom, he was quoted as saying on the radio on Tuesday that a redevelopment could happen by doing a 1/8th by 1/8th construction of the redevelopment. This is not a gutting of the existing structure but a complete rebuild over time. Mr Barnett seems to suddenly have expertise on redevelopment advice.

Here is the advice, Mr Barnett: research!. You are putting yourself in such a tight corner simply because you do not have the apparent wisdom to read up on this issue. It's all there for you to study. If you had used astuteness to take probably less than 1 hr for the exercise of "reading up" on this issue, you wouldn't find yourself in the hole you are digging now.

Either Barnett has poor advisers or Barnett is lacking some basic intelligence and wits. Could it be both?

Even the WAFC dismissed the idea of redevelopment. Why? Because wisdom and what we now know as "common sense" prevailed.

Build a NEW stadium or don't build at all. It's pretty simple. I will not outline reasons why - they are there in print.

[Dilaz89]

WAFC rejects Subi rebuild bid

23rd October 2008, 6:00 WST

Colin Barnett’s bid to put a redevelopment of Subiaco Oval back on the agenda as one of WA’s stadium options suffered another blow yesterday when the WA Football Commission said it would cost as much or more than a new stadium.

The WAFC’s stadium project director Peter Abery warned that the current site had severe limitations and would be difficult and expensive to turn into a multi-purpose stadium.

His warning echoed the words of former stadium task force chairman John Langoulant and came on the eve of a critical briefing by key stadium task force consultants for the Premier and Sports Minister Terry Waldron.

Mr Barnett spoke favourably of a gradual MCG style rebuild on the current Subiaco Oval site on Perth radio on Tuesday.

“The rebuilding is not just gutting it and fixing it up, it is actually talking a whole section of the ground out, levelling the site by an eighth, re-building that eighth and then working your way around the ground,” he said.

Mr Abery said a staged redevelopment of Subiaco would cause significant interim problems because of diminished stadium capacity.

“There is an issue when you try to rebuild a redeveloped Subiaco because you end up with significantly less capacity while you rebuild it,” he said. “The MCG has 100,000 and can drop down to 70,000 or even 60,000. It wasn’t that much of a problem. The second issue, according to studies done by the WAFC, is that if you progressively build round stand by stand it costs as much as a new stadium would. When you are building over time you have far greater escalations obviously than would be the case if you are building it as a one-off.”

He added that the current site had “significant location limitations”, saying any development of the Southern Stand would overhang Roberts Road and overshadow homes.

A spokesman for Mr Barnett said that no decision had been taken on the stadium or rebuild options. “While he has stated he is finding it difficult to justify the $1 billion cost, the State Government has not yet reached the point where the options are being considered in detail to progress the decision,” he said.

But Mr Abery said the Government also had to be careful about misleading costings being used in the public debate on the stadium.

“The true current cost of the new stadium is about $700 million,” he said.

MARK DUFFIELD

[ryan79]

Barney is looking like a right dickhead now.

[Homeroids]

Great to see that article. If Barnett continues down this path of "redevelopment" it will look even sillier. There is not one other body, one other professional opinion, in fact, anyone with any credence agreeing with his deluded misinformed and now proven uneducated position.

Nice hole he has dug himself.

[Homeroids]

Barney is looking like a right dickhead now.

The real silly thing here is that all he had to do was step back, read up on it, and then do one of two things.

One, say it's going ahead since we really need this project and the option tabled is the most logical and thought out option.

OR

Two, due to the unforeseen commitment to Royalities for Regions, which I agreed to, this project is now nonviable until a future time. (Something like that).

He panicked and has tried to please all and in fact has displeased everyone all the more.

[ryan79]

Exactly.

But thats the point. The redevelopment please absolutely no one AND makes no sense.

Your right, he's tried to please everyone but has now pissed everyone off.

Please someone at least. No stadium or stadium. Simple. There is no other discussion to be had.

I think he's just trying his best to differentiate himself from the previous govt. but, in a seriously unbiased way, he is struggling to do so because they were a very good government with great plans.

He should just execute what has already been decided instead of inflating his own ego. The mere fact that he thinks he can just step in and a quick snap decision on such a thing which is contrary to a $2 million report taking months (albeit a slight delaying tactic) shows the utmost arrogance.

He won't last a term, well he wouldn't if the media treated him like they did Labor and Buswell when he was leader. So many holes to pick.

[Bump]

He could always move the stadium to East Perth. That option was slightly cheaper by a few $100 million.

[Homeroids]

To be fair, the previous government probably took just a little too long to act on the stadium issue. The decision process got a bit too drawn out in committee's. I am not saying the Stadium Taskforce was a bad idea. I think that was essential. I am saying it took all a bit too long. If it had been completed at a reasonable pace, there would have been shovels digging already.

[Homeroids]

He could always move the stadium to East Perth. That option was slightly cheaper by a few $100 million.

I don't think it was after all the associated infrastructure cost. I thought the lower "total" cost was the main reason Kitchener got the nod from the Carpenter Gov.

[city_thing]

WAFC rejects Subi rebuild bid

23rd October 2008, 6:00 WST

Colin Barnett’s bid to put a redevelopment of Subiaco Oval back on the agenda as one of WA’s stadium options suffered another blow yesterday when the WA Football Commission said it would cost as much or more than a new stadium.

The WAFC’s stadium project director Peter Abery warned that the current site had severe limitations and would be difficult and expensive to turn into a multi-purpose stadium.

His warning echoed the words of former stadium task force chairman John Langoulant and came on the eve of a critical briefing by key stadium task force consultants for the Premier and Sports Minister Terry Waldron.

Mr Barnett spoke favourably of a gradual MCG style rebuild on the current Subiaco Oval site on Perth radio on Tuesday.

“The rebuilding is not just gutting it and fixing it up, it is actually talking a whole section of the ground out, levelling the site by an eighth, re-building that eighth and then working your way around the ground,” he said.

Mr Abery said a staged redevelopment of Subiaco would cause significant interim problems because of diminished stadium capacity.

“There is an issue when you try to rebuild a redeveloped Subiaco because you end up with significantly less capacity while you rebuild it,” he said. “The MCG has 100,000 and can drop down to 70,000 or even 60,000. It wasn’t that much of a problem. The second issue, according to studies done by the WAFC, is that if you progressively build round stand by stand it costs as much as a new stadium would. When you are building over time you have far greater escalations obviously than would be the case if you are building it as a one-off.”

He added that the current site had “significant location limitations”, saying any development of the Southern Stand would overhang Roberts Road and overshadow homes.

A spokesman for Mr Barnett said that no decision had been taken on the stadium or rebuild options. “While he has stated he is finding it difficult to justify the $1 billion cost, the State Government has not yet reached the point where the options are being considered in detail to progress the decision,” he said.

But Mr Abery said the Government also had to be careful about misleading costings being used in the public debate on the stadium.

“The true current cost of the new stadium is about $700 million,” he said.

MARK DUFFIELD

Doesn't this just prove that the WAFC was lying all along when they put forward the Subiaco Redevelopment Proposal? From what I remember they advertised it as being cheaper and better and tried to cast a big black shadow over the Stadium WA idea.

[thesmallprint]

Exactly.

But thats the point. The redevelopment please absolutely no one AND makes no sense.

Your right, he's tried to please everyone but has now pissed everyone off.

Please someone at least. No stadium or stadium. Simple. There is no other discussion to be had.

I think he's just trying his best to differentiate himself from the previous govt. but, in a seriously unbiased way, he is struggling to do so because they were a very good government with great plans.

He should just execute what has already been decided instead of inflating his own ego. The mere fact that he thinks he can just step in and a quick snap decision on such a thing which is contrary to a $2 million report taking months (albeit a slight delaying tactic) shows the utmost arrogance.

He won't last a term, well he wouldn't if the media treated him like they did Labor and Buswell when he was leader. So many holes to pick.

Plans is the key work there...:bash: Carps actually put forward some great ideas. Committed to the stadium, foreshore redevelopment (my favourite), Commonwealth games, hospitals, rail lines, airports etc...

But I do think they deserved at least another term in government, Barnett doesn't seem to know what he's doing. And now with the Nationals holding the balance of power (read: all the power). we are not going to get most of that stuff.

[Homeroids]

Initially they did. They then read the Stadium Taskforce report and also saw the reality of the situation. They "saw the light" so to speak. Demitriou probably had something to do with that too.

Control of scheduling was the main issue for the WAFC. They still got "prime" scheduling rights above all codes in the final agreement, I believe.

[aaronaugi1]

He could always move the stadium to East Perth. That option was slightly cheaper by a few $100 million.

Although i favoured the East Perth site initially, it ended up being probably the least favoured under the Taskforce. As the report shows however, it could be a good site for a future rectangular stadium or smaller multi-purpose venue to be paired with some kind of civic use at the power station and surrounds.

I think its fair to say the idea of the WA Museum moving into the EPPS is pretty unlikely in the current environment.

[Dilaz89]

Speaking of the AFL CEO, I think he's meeting with barney tomorrow to lay the hammer into him over thr stadium.

[aaronaugi1]

i wonder how often mr rubble attended major sporting and entertainment events. Carps was a well known Dockers supporter. Rubble seems to have no interest or knowledge of the situation despite being part of opposition when the previous government released the plans.

Heck, there'd be a fair few average joes out there that have read over the parts of the taskforce report. Why the hell hasn't a prominant politician done so?

[samboy]

We have to admit everyone played politics with this for years until it ended up in Barnett's lap and in limbo in a shitty economic climate. Call it Karma, poetic justice, whatever you like.

WAFC can whinge all they