FuturePerth

[docker]

Please discuss FuturePerth at the FuturePerth website (http://www.futureperth.com/).

this will be for meeting notices, discussing articles in the paper etc...

NO Committee or Stance related issues will be discussed here

http://www.futureperth.com/

[docker]

so who is going tomorrow,

Where:
Urban Design Centre, Ground Floor Albert Facey House, Forrest Place

When
Monday 29th September, 7PM

Agenda
- Committee elections - those wanting to enquire about nominations please contact matthewmorgan@iinet.net.au
- Strategising on Perth Waterfront Project agenda and implications resulting from the recent change of government
- Update on events past
- Constitutional changes (organisational structure)
- Minutes from previous meeting
- All other relevant matters

I will be hobbeling there.

[acc521]

That's the building where the tourist centre is right?

[Matt B]

That's the building where the tourist centre is right?

It certainly is - head down the dodgy laneway betweeh the Tourist Centre and the Old POst Office. RHS towards the end of the laneway.

[Auxodium]

there is parking there? :S

[aaronaugi1]

i could have sworn sean said it was the 6th...as in next monday

[Perth4life]

ns if i can make it at this point.

[perthgazer]

tis definitely tonight

[Dilaz89]

Parking is avalible at nearby citiplace carpark on Roe st or His Majesty's on Murray Street.

[Click79]

Not sure if I can make this either...

[acc521]

I keep on getting interruptions stopping me from going to these things. I don't commit to anything anymore - I feel like the biggest "wants to be part of it but never actually does anything loser" :(

[Dilaz89]

it isn't too late to come tonight. We'd love to meet you.

[acc521]

Commitments, commitments my friend.

[jez_24]

well, I'll be there and im bringing food. Greasing the wheels of democracy with greasy food, thats me. :D

[Homeroids]

Sorry, I could not make it tonight. I posted an apology in the FP forum.

[WAuzzie]

so what happand tonight?

[Auxodium]

the world fell in goran...

please talk about Future Perth meetings in the forums of future perth :)

[alvse]

For those who paid their membership in cash at the last meeting, and don't yet have access to the FP members section, please PM either here, or on FP

-thanks :)

[docker]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2348/image004wb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[crave]

we need more that in-your-face-tone-you-are-shit journalism for barnett and crew if they think they're hell bent on producing retreat farms in tha cbd...

[dallastexjr]

The West allowing FuturePerth a headline (MEDIOCRITY - a quote from Sean) is a major coup guys. It means you are proving to be an effective counter to the negativism and small-mindedness of CityVision. With FORM and the Committee of Perth member chiming in, you are proving to be a bit of a force. I'm lovin' it.

[docker]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=100863

Big city projects would ‘swamp’ the market
3rd October 2008, 6:00 WST
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Completing both the Northbridge Link and Perth Waterfront Project together would swallow almost all the money invested in city developments for years while the rest of Perth stagnated, a report by local think-tank CityVision says.

The study, which analysed the demographic and economic effects of the foreshore project, said that if both projects were completed by 2031, they would swamp the market for office floor space.

They would supply all but 165,000sqm of the projected office space needed in Perth for that period.

That meant only three or four big office projects were likely to be built in the rest of the city in the next two decades. The report also warned of an apartment glut.

The WA Planning Commission estimates only 6300 city apartments will be needed by 2031. About 2000 are due to be finished in two years and the waterfront and link plans contain 3070 and 1600 — leaving a surplus of 370 apartments.

The report was written by Syme Marmion and Co, of which new Liberal Nedlands MLA Bill Marmion is a partner. CityVision prefers a low-rise waterfront development, as does Premier Colin Barnett, so whatever is developed there is unlikely to have the 320,000sqm of office space and number of apartments under the current plan.

The study also claimed the foreshore plan would concentrate too many workers on the waterfront, drawing demand for residential and employmentrelated developments from other areas.

CityVision chairman Ken Adam said the schemes “do not add up”.

“We have a rather large central business district, it’s actually bigger than London’s, so spreading it on to Northbridge Link and the waterfront could exacerbate the problems we’re already seeing,” he said.

But FuturePerth president Sean Morrison said CityVision’s analysis was incomplete, subjective and incorrect.

“To believe that with population growth of 700,000 or so in 25 years that only 6300 apartments need to be built is laughable,” he said. “Their basic proposition is that Perth is going to sprawl, hence we can’t build too many apartments — a damaging self-fulfilling prophecy.”

DANIEL HATCH

[dallastexjr]

Doesn't one just love having the last word :)

[Sanj]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=100863

Big city projects would ‘swamp’ the market
3rd October 2008, 6:00 WST
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2334/getfilecj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Completing both the Northbridge Link and Perth Waterfront Project together would swallow almost all the money invested in city developments for years while the rest of Perth stagnated, a report by local think-tank CityVision says.

The study, which analysed the demographic and economic effects of the foreshore project, said that if both projects were completed by 2031, they would swamp the market for office floor space.



DANIEL HATCH


2031?? 23 years for the 2 projects to be completed?

also, there are so many things wrong with what he has said i dont know where to begin...

[Homeroids]

The projected office space? Shows us how they got this "projected" office space. Ken Adam is saying there will be just 165k sqm of office space left for the market to absorb instead of 485k sqm (165+320 from waterfront; btw the 320k is a fluffy assumption as well) over a span of 25 years. My word, Ken Adam seems to have a prophetic gift comparable to the prophet Isiah. 165k sqm unaccounted for within a span of 25 years. Think about that.

All this is highly elastic and by just browsing publicly available open documents at www.abs.gov.au will clearly show that the data Ken Adam is sourcing is quite fluffy and out dated.

[acc521]

Love the comparison of our CBD size to London's :lol: Conextual relevance = 0. Clutching at straws more than ever Kenny boy!

[Scraperfan]

laughable and damaging. loving the choice of words sean, spot on.

[Homeroids]

I like how the article revealed the partner of Syme Marmion and Co. However, it does not bode well, politically speaking.

This just highlights the importance of being apolitical.

[Auxodium]

laughable and damaging. loving the choice of words sean, spot on.

i would add embarrasing that such a man in such a high profile group can say such outlandish statements...

apartment glut??? WTF.... so we are going to stop building homes for people of Perth?

sometimes i question some people's logic

[Scraperfan]

hey how would we like this thread to have a starter to it?

ie:

Group / FuturePerth (Inc)

or

Think Tank / FuturePerth (Inc)

i just noticed its the only thread without a label and a "/".

[Auxodium]

think tank is such an overabused term which i would like the group to avoid...

Group sounds better

[Matt B]

THe media wanting to quote us and them (ie CV) is just the nature of the beast. Journos want counter points and that kind of thing... the key to me is when you are asked to comment on somthing (and I'm talking generally not FP specifically) is that when you are asked to comment on something by a known "opponent" that you don't disagree with, then you play the ball not the man and say "TO be honest I think that is a great idea"...

stay true to your core philosophy rather than talk yourself in to corners.

There is nothing wrong with commenting, if you don;t you get quoted as "not being willing to comment" which potentially sounds like you don;t have any ideas...

[alvse]

FuturePerth webstats
for week 30/09/2008 to 06/10/2008

futureperth.org (main site) Download Report (PDF) ('www.futureperth.com/reports/futurePerthOrg081007.pdf')

futureperth.info (forums) Download Report (PDF) ('www.futureperth.com/reports/futurePerthInfo081007.pdf')

[chrisaus]

for the amount of exposure in the west it hasnt created to much interest hit wise, maybe the website needs to advertising the lifts hits

[alvse]

it's only stats over the last week... no stats had been collected prior to 30th Sept.

[Scraperfan]

the west has also never published our website.

alvse, start posting some of your vision renders on there such as telstra, council house and parliament bridge.

you can add a note that the renders and proposals are not official FP policy but are an example of the ideas and imagination of future perth members.

[crave]

colour schematic redesign for tha webpage... :p

futureperth stickers.

[Sanj]

yeah these are all things that will be discussed at the next FP meeting on 13/10.

i personally plan to focus on getting our message out a bit more and getting more supporters/members.

[acc521]

Ugh I've got a lecture from 5:15-7 on Monday!

Why can't I ever make these meetings!!!!

[Sanj]

it starts at 7, u could always leave yr lecture at 6.30 or something

[aaronaugi1]

Ugh I've got a lecture from 5:15-7 on Monday!



as do a number of members of futureperth.....

[acc521]

I will if I can. It's conflict of laws (the hardest law elective possible in the degree whose notorious reputation I didn't find out about until after enrolment - such a small class lol) and there are no materials online or offline except a case list. Its usually on Tuesday night except for next week would you beleive!

[docker]

Where:
Urban Design Centre, Ground Floor Albert Facey House, Forrest Place

When:
Monday 13th October 2008, 7PM

and don't forget your ten ideas

[crave]

i'll email my ideas, (i'll try make it ten)...

[NailZ]

Can't make it tonight guys, I look forward to reading the minutes though.

[crave]

i've only got one idea.

so far, and i don't even know who to email it to...

:p

[Perth4life]

got exams
busy as atm, once again can't make it.

[acc521]

Folks, if I can get out of my lecture early I'll be there.

[jackso]

Also have exams. Will not make it to this meeting.

[tbor]

i will be there :okay:

[Auxodium]

im there

[Brendo]

Hey guys/gals I can't make it tonight cos I'm sick as a dog but if it's convenient for anyone driving through Subiaco on the way to the meeting tonight and could be bothered to drive past my joint and pick up my joining fee it would be much appreciated :) because i missed last meeting due to parklife.
If it's convenient for anyone passing in the way into the city just give us a msg on 0401624116 (no spam plz :spam1:)
cheers Brendan:)

[tbor]

You missed out...

[crave]

fp > parklife.

:p

[Auxodium]

Brendo get the info at the FP website :)

[Scraperfan]

yo alvin.

fix the website, i have my fonts set on 115% dpi and the top menu, i cant see the forum link or the contact us link.

make the size values absolute can you?

if not, whats the forum address?!

theres also a section on forums in the left hand column, add future perth forum to that.

[jackso]

Its fine for me.
Forums are www.futureperth.info

[alvse]

yo alvin.

fix the website, i have my fonts set on 115% dpi and the top menu, i cant see the forum link or the contact us link.

make the size values absolute can you?

if not, whats the forum address?!

theres also a section on forums in the left hand column, add future perth forum to that.

Jesus... are you blind??? :lol:

[Citystyle]

Sorry i missed it. Was busy and have not been on the internet that often.

[Scraperfan]

your font sizes are'nt absolute so half the top menu is disappeared on my screen, hence i have no access to the forums.

i have 115% dpi on fonts, so the menu text is so large that its hiding the menu items on the very right.

[timofperth]

Where:
Urban Design Centre, Ground Floor Albert Facey House, Forrest Place

When:
Monday 13th October 2008, 7PM

and don't forget your ten ideas

Awww cant u have one on a non-school night?
I have like a million ideas

[crazyknightsfan]

You know what's funny? I was gonna be a khunt and post "they are all on school nights" but I decided against it. You did it for me instead :) :lol:

[aaronaugi1]

they run until 9 usually.. means you're home by 9:30-10. I was up past 10 almost every night throughout secondary school.

[Auxodium]

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To the futureperth forum! :P :lol:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4080/14102008036km6.jpg

[WAuzzie]

f u n n n y ...

[alvse]

Those of you who where at the meeting when Lisa was there and where wondering what stuff she said I did for her...

...this stuff

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/2919977021_44ed0e6504_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2655633252_c37e064882_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/2654790463_04d9069af9_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2655576162_5d1c8c4723_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2063/2381846399_8c38358e09_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2382692022_4f91504b27_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/2379781858_4943f6a971_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/2381809732_ceaef070d8_o.jpg

[aaronaugi1]

despite the fact its a complete waste of money....i love the land bridge!

[jackso]

I think someone needs to present Lisa with the plans for the Kangaroo Bridge. It would match the kangaroo's on Telstra.

[docker]

EVENT: The End of the Suburban Dream? Nov 4th 6:30-9:00pm
UWA Extension
$29.00 (Standard)
$116.00 (5 for 4 offer)
$24.00 (Online Offer)

Is this the end of the Australian suburban dream? Remarkable social and lifestyle changes are challenging the idea of owning a home with a backyard and a hills hoist. Urban planning is being rocked by the rapid change in social, financial and environmental conditions to the Australian landscape- but it is not all high- rise and depressing density...

Such intense change in the City's direction has seen Perth experience an explosion of laterally thinking strategists who want to make their mark on the future fabric of Perth.

Join the leaders in alternative thinking- Ken Adam of City Vision, Sean Morrison of FuturePerth and urban statistical surveyor- Nicholas Temov as they uncover exciting possibilities for Perth as we know it.

The evening will be hosted by Sarah Brown lecturer of the University of Western Australia's 'Australian Surburbia: History and Culture' program.

COURSE OUTLINE
- 6.30pm Sarah Brown; welcome and historical background of Perth suburbia
- 6.50pm Nicholas Temov; current survey results of what Generation Y want
- 7:30pm Sean Morrison (FuturePerth) will talk about the group and their directions
- 8.10pm Ken Adam (City Vision); the group's opinion of current developments and its directions
- 8.40pm Question & Answer
- 9.00pm Close

5 for 4 OFFER
Our special 5 for 4 offer applies to this course. If you book four people on the course you get a fifth place free. Just select the 5 for 4 Offer option when enrolling. Please advise us of all names of the members of your group by fax 6488 1066 or email extension@uwa.edu.au

Tickets
https://registrations.extension.uwa.edu.au/cgi-bin/WebObjects.exe/RMSPlus.woa/wa/gotoThisUnit?unitCode=085172[/quote]

[docker]

I think someone needs to present Lisa with the plans for the Kangaroo Bridge. It would match the kangaroo's on Telstra.

do you mean the one which went over the causeway, which were also observation decks, Like the statue of liberty.

scraperfan already sent that idea to her.

[Dilaz89]

who's doing the 5 for 4 offer? PM me.

[docker]

despite the fact its a complete waste of money....i love the land bridge!

what if the money could be recouped, similar to how the government would make the waterfront project revenue neutral, this could be the same.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/2379781858_4943f6a971_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/2381809732_ceaef070d8_o.jpg

so for example, have the land bridge where it is, with a park and all, as how alvse proposed. but then between hay street and murray street put in a development. one which (now i should mention that this probably will make no sense from me typeing but it makes perfect sense in my head) by buying up the land on both sides of the freeway from the west of Ellement 996 to Harvest Tce, realign Harvest tce so it connects to coolgardie st. and then develop the land inbetween. basically have a 6 storey (murray st) building on the furthest east side of the entire block which because of the hill would only appear to be 2 stories from Hay st. have this building going both above and underneath the freeway with a massive glass void above the freeway so you can see it from inside the building, and continue it over to the west perth side (where IBM is) of the freeway. and this is where the fun is, by continuing this 6 storey building into west perth it becomes a podium for two 60 storey towers, which would be mixed use, with the first 20 and last 20 storeys of one building being hotel and the first and last 20 stories of the other building being residential, with the middle 20 stories of both buildings being office. and of course the podium building running across the freeway would be retail and include a cinema.


thoughts? has this made any sense, if it has could this make the whole project fianacially sound?

[Skyline Art]

I hope afterwards there could be like a PPT presentation or something available to view if not buy, it would be interesting to see. Usually those presentations have a pdf or ppt available to view for those who attended. I am not in Perth atm....

[Auxodium]

f u n n n y ...

glad you found it funny then...


as for commenting on someone of worth...

brilliant compilation of photoshop work alvse, although the aboriginal one isnt my cup of tea.

[Auxodium]

im down but shouldnt this be on the fp forum as it is a more FP related thing?

im keen dilaz

[docker]

so you think that something which is related to the death of the suburban sprawl, which would lead to more towers ie more skyscrapers, would not normally interest a crowd on the Skyscraper forum? :D and from that crowd on the skyscraper forum, none of them would be interested in going to such an event ;)

[Auxodium]

yes you are right and yes i am right on this too... however didnt we say that issues that kind of relate to FP be kept on the forums of FP?

or did i miss hear what everyone agreed to lol

[docker]

i think it was discussions stay on the FP Forums, but public announcements, such as this or dates of FP meetings can also be posted here.

[aaronaugi1]

what if the money could be recouped, similar to how the government would make the waterfront project revenue neutral, this could be the same.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/2379781858_4943f6a971_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/2381809732_ceaef070d8_o.jpg

so for example, have the land bridge where it is, with a park and all, as how alvse proposed. but then between hay street and murray street put in a development. one which (now i should mention that this probably will make no sense from me typeing but it makes perfect sense in my head) by buying up the land on both sides of the freeway from the west of Ellement 996 to Harvest Tce, realign Harvest tce so it connects to coolgardie st. and then develop the land inbetween. basically have a 6 storey (murray st) building on the furthest east side of the entire block which because of the hill would only appear to be 2 stories from Hay st. have this building going both above and underneath the freeway with a massive glass void above the freeway so you can see it from inside the building, and continue it over to the west perth side (where IBM is) of the freeway. and this is where the fun is, by continuing this 6 storey building into west perth it becomes a podium for two 60 storey towers, which would be mixed use, with the first 20 and last 20 storeys of one building being hotel and the first and last 20 stories of the other building being residential, with the middle 20 stories of both buildings being office. and of course the podium building running across the freeway would be retail and include a cinema.


thoughts? has this made any sense, if it has could this make the whole project fianacially sound?

i would have thought the best way to fund this project would to be to built this, then sacrafice POS somewhere nearby.

[tbor]

I'm keen for tix for me and my bro. Keep me informed.

[Scraperfan]

I'm keen for tix sitting next to tbor and his bro. Keep me informed.

[Sanj]

have bought my ticket.

guys the 5 for 4 offer doesnt mean anything. It still costs $23.20 per ticket but if u buy 1 online it is $24.

[crazyknightsfan]

I'm keen for tix sitting next to tbor and his bro. Keep me informed.

:rofl:

[docker]

tbor
nailz
docker
aaron
joanna
bon
dilaz
Aux
scraperfan

we need one more and then we can have two lots.

[Bonga]

guys the 5 for 4 offer doesnt mean anything. It still costs $23.20 per ticket but if u buy 1 online it is $24.
Yeah, I noticed that too.

However, I'd still be happy to purchase 5 now and be reimbursed on the night, knowing that not everyone here has a credit card to purchase theirs online. If 4 of you could please confirm that you are still interested, I will make the purchase today.

[alvse]

hey SF!... you are good at taking videos... video the night for me so I can watch it when I get back :)

[Dilaz89]

count me in.

[Scraperfan]

hey SF!... you are good at taking videos... video the night for me so I can watch it when I get back :)

why i dont know what you mean, alvin? :)

besides, my cam only records 3 minutes.

[Bonga]

However, I'd still be happy to purchase 5 now and be reimbursed on the night, knowing that not everyone here has a credit card to purchase theirs online. If 4 of you could please confirm that you are still interested, I will make the purchase today.
It looks like there's plenty of interest here, so I've just purchased 5 tickets.

So that means myself, Docker, Aaron A, Joanna and Dilaz are all covered.

That leaves Tbor, Nailz, Scraperfan and Aux + 1 other. I presume that at least one of you has a credit or debit card to get the second lot of 5?

[jez_24]

Sweet thanks Bonga :)

[timofperth]

EVENT: The End of the Suburban Dream? Nov 4th 6:30-9:00pm
UWA Extension
$29.00 (Standard)
$116.00 (5 for 4 offer)
$24.00 (Online Offer)

Is this the end of the Australian suburban dream? Remarkable social and lifestyle changes are challenging the idea of owning a home with a backyard and a hills hoist. Urban planning is being rocked by the rapid change in social, financial and environmental conditions to the Australian landscape- but it is not all high- rise and depressing density...

Such intense change in the City's direction has seen Perth experience an explosion of laterally thinking strategists who want to make their mark on the future fabric of Perth.

Join the leaders in alternative thinking- Ken Adam of City Vision, Sean Morrison of FuturePerth and urban statistical surveyor- Nicholas Temov as they uncover exciting possibilities for Perth as we know it.

The evening will be hosted by Sarah Brown lecturer of the University of Western Australia's 'Australian Surburbia: History and Culture' program.

COURSE OUTLINE
- 6.30pm Sarah Brown; welcome and historical background of Perth suburbia
- 6.50pm Nicholas Temov; current survey results of what Generation Y want
- 7:30pm Sean Morrison (FuturePerth) will talk about the group and their directions
- 8.10pm Ken Adam (City Vision); the group's opinion of current developments and its directions
- 8.40pm Question & Answer
- 9.00pm Close

5 for 4 OFFER
Our special 5 for 4 offer applies to this course. If you book four people on the course you get a fifth place free. Just select the 5 for 4 Offer option when enrolling. Please advise us of all names of the members of your group by fax 6488 1066 or email extension@uwa.edu.au

Tickets
https://registrations.extension.uwa.edu.au/cgi-bin/WebObjects.exe/RMSPlus.woa/wa/gotoThisUnit?unitCode=085172[/QUOTE]

oh, fuck, it's a school night :ohno:

[jackso]

Its a TEE night.

[Scraperfan]

if only sean could have spoken after ken.

[perthgazer]

i have the option to if i like, the timetable is indiciative only

[Sanj]

how come u get 10 minutes more than ken? i bet he wasnt happy

[Scraperfan]

go after ken sean! you dont want to give him the advantage of being able to quote and rebutt what you say.

it will allow you to open your comments with "well in contrast to the last speaker......."

people remember the second speaker, going first in a debate is a major disadvantage as your opponent can size up the tone of your speech and change accordingly.

[crazyknightsfan]

I once lost a debate for my school by swearing in my rebuttal as 3rd speaker - my advice is don't do it :lol:

[Sanj]

haha i was always the 3rd speaker when i did debating in high school.

was pretty good actually.

[crazyknightsfan]

3rd speaker was the best bit - no preparation needed, just note down what the other people said and rip it to shreds. Doesn't sound like I'd enjoy that at all :lol:

[WAuzzie]

yea go after cv, so much better.

[JWPJ]

On the FuturePerth site under "Forums" on the right-hand column the FuturePerth forums need to be added. It seems odd to have a post declaring that the new forums are up and live, yet the only link on the page under "Forums" is to this one. Of course as it says to click the link next to contact but I still think it's odd.

[alvse]

On the FuturePerth site under "Forums" on the right-hand column the FuturePerth forums need to be added. It seems odd to have a post declaring that the new forums are up and live, yet the only link on the page under "Forums" is to this one. Of course as it says to click the link next to contact but I still think it's odd.

woops... you are right... I think I accidentally replaced the page to an older version when I did the last update on the code :(

will fix it tomorrow... thanks for spotting it

[Auxodium]

woops... you are right... I think I accidentally replaced the page to an older version when I did the last update on the code :(

will fix it tomorrow... thanks for spotting it

http://runningthroughrain.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/youre-fired.jpg:lol:


:P jk alvse :P

[Dilaz89]

it isn't a debate.

[Scraperfan]

no, but its definately like having 2 opening statements in a debate.

i just realised this is the evening of the melbourne cup. im going to be drunk at 12pm, so expect me to turn up a little tipsy!

[acc521]

It might not be a debate, but going second still gives the advantage of rebuttal if Sean is sharp enough to work some rebuttal into what he's prepared :)

[Johnvb]

Guys I am still waiting on emails with the ten ideas lists for next meeting!! Got only three so far which is a bit disappointing :(

[docker]

I'm still working on making diagrams for them, just give me a couple of days.

[tbor]

Guys I am still waiting on emails with the ten ideas lists for next meeting!! Got only three so far which is a bit disappointing :(

I'll have mine to you by tomorrow. Just need to put it in the template you sent around :)

[Dilaz89]

need a few more days, john.

[acc521]

Now I'm thinking the one I submitted a few days ago is not going to be detailed enough. If you need me to add anything to it let me know John.

[perthgazer]

ill send mine tonight john.

dilaz where are you? im on level three.

[Dilaz89]

coming to uni at 12. Will go to lv4 laptop.

[Auxodium]

errrm did ANYONE look at my scans on the FP forum? or are people 'blind'?

[Bonga]

errrm did ANYONE look at my scans on the FP forum? or are people 'blind'?
(1) How do you know you aren't one of the three John counted?

(2) How difficult would it be to type it up properly rather than scan in messy handwritten notes? We're all painfully aware that you're capable of typing.

(3) We were asked to e-mail it, not post it in a forum.

(4) You posted it in the "manifesto" thread, rather than the "10 ideas?" thread. (Yes, I acknowledge that you wrote "i posted my scan on the other thread" in the latter, but that's not particularly helpful without a link.)

(5) What is with the arrogant attitude?

[crazyknightsfan]

We're all painfully aware that you're capable of typing.

Great line! :lol:

[Dilaz89]

I can't read my own handwriting let alone someone elses. Please type it up.

[Scraperfan]

I have a book you might like to read aux, its called:

"Embracing Positivity For The Extreme Sarcastic"

Its the sequal to:

"How Not To Be Awkward And Irritate People"

[Auxodium]

lol... i think you can read my writing in block letters lol

it was an example... i will type them up later of course

[JWPJ]

Is it at all possible there could be a recording of this? It'd be very interesting to listen to for those of us who can't make it...

[tbor]

So, did anyone order tix for this?

[Auxodium]

wheres my ticket? :P

[Scrawny]

Is it at all possible there could be a recording of this? It'd be very interesting to listen to for those of us who can't make it...

I'll second that.

[docker]

People, John is lying the meeting is not tomorrow night as he accidentally said, it is next Monday.

Where:
Urban Design Centre, Ground Floor Albert Facey House, Forrest Place

When:
Monday 3rd November 2008, 7PM

Agenda:
TBA

[WAuzzie]

IMO! the meetings are to frequent.

[Johnvb]

Sorry guys I was under the impression the meeting was tomorrow! Its next week :(

[Dilaz89]

haha thats ok. I sent out an email clearing the dates up. Hope no one rocks up at the UDC tonight lol.

[Scraperfan]

i was also under the impression the meeting was tonight, cos we were holding them fortnightly - but this will make it 3 weeks between meetings.

why the change of frequency?

(...i couldnt make it tonight anyway, so a big relief!)

[Dilaz89]

end of semester for uz uni students.

[Bonga]

end of semester for uz uni students.
Except those of us with exams... :cry:

[WAuzzie]

DILAZZ!

[Perth4life]

I've decided I'm not going to join the group, for now at least. My interest and passion in such topics that FP plays a role in is too inconsistent and changes from day to day, one day i'll be obsessed with an issue/project and then the next i'm over it. I also don't have much to contribute which would make me being in the group feel pointless to me personally. Best of luck to you guys however!

[aaronaugi1]

^^ more members is always good. Even if they're inactive or infrequent.

[Sanj]

hey sean, any idea where on campus this will be? which room etc

[perthgazer]

its off hacket drive above the law library

below P3 on this map

http://www.sese.uwa.edu.au/__data/page/88384/map_UWA.png

[jez_24]

Hey FP members, who's going? BartBart made a good suggestion in the FP forum under this topic...

[Auxodium]

i need to know asap as it is tomorrow and im working... lol

[jez_24]

Contact Bonga for tix info, and its tuesday nite :)

[Bonga]

...and its tuesday nite :)
Glad you pointed that out... I had thought it was tomorrow! :lol: I think I had confused it with the FP meeting (which I will probably not attend this time- too much study on).

It's in the Social Sciences Lecture Theatre, which is actually west of (not above) the Law Library. Here is a little map for those unfamiliar with UWA:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8234/uwassltmudmapta3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Although Hackett Drive is probably the best road from which to enter, you can also drive around to this part of the campus from the main Stirling Hwy/Winthrop Ave entrance (just turn left straight after entering).

Car Park 3 should be mostly empty, and parking is free after 5:00pm from memory, but keep an eye on the signage wherever you park to be sure.

[Bonga]

Hey FP members, who's going?
You, me, Dilaz, Docker and Aaronaugi1, for starters. Probably Aux as well?

Anyone else?

[Sanj]

i'll be there

[jez_24]

Tbor said he was interested. Is that still true?

[docker]

Can i get a lift from the city from someone for this tomorrow?

[Bonga]

Can i get a lift from the city from someone for this tomorrow?
Joanna mentioned on the FP forum that she is also looking for a ride, or will catch a taxi. Maybe you could meet her somewhere and carpool?

Alternatively, there are buses to UWA from the Wellington St bus station (going via William St and the busport) roughly every ten mins between 4:30 and 6:00 (routes 78, 79, 102, 107- "Western 45" timetable).

[Dilaz89]

Can i get a lift from the city from someone for this tomorrow?

Yeah. I can pass through the city to pick people up because I am coming from Bayswater.

Anyone else need a lift from the city?

[jez_24]

Yeah, if u dont mind. I'll be finishing work at 6, ready to leave at 10 past. U know where it is right?

If that's too tight a timeframe then i dont mind getting a taxi, planned to anyways as i thought i'd have to finish at 630

[Dilaz89]

The times are ok, but I'd prefer to meet you and docker on the south east corner of murray x william directly opposite the train station. I can pull over there and I wont have to deviate off william street.

[jez_24]

where murray meets william? ok. Thats across from perth underground right? i'll be there as close to 10 past 6 as i can. if ppl make me late i'll txt u not to worry about getting me :)

[Dilaz89]

ok. i'll be there at a quarter past six.

[docker]

ok, i will be there at 6pm

also i can't make the FP meeting tonight, can someone please give my apologies...

[jez_24]

Hey, if you didn't get an email from me this morning then either your email thinks it was spam, or we don't have your email address. I just hit 'reply all' to a email from Matthew RE: agenda, coz I assumed that would include all paid members.

[Bonga]

Hi all,

One of the people I purchased a ticket for has pulled out, so I have a spare.

If anyone wants to come along tonight, but has not yet purchased a ticket, let me know. It will be $23, which you can reimburse me in cash tonight (or we can organise something else- PM me).

Cheers.

[Sanj]

spk to nick, he wanted one.

[Bonga]

Cheers Sanj, have e-mailed him.

EDIT: Aux has taken the spare ticket. Thanks everyone.

[Scraperfan]

Hope everyone has a good night, it should be a great chance for Future Perth to get some listeners and perhaps some more members.

[Dilaz89]

bon- plz pm me your bank details. Unable to pay cash.

[Scraperfan]

can anyone cam sean's speech?

[BartBart]

can anyone cam sean's speech?

Probably too late to mention it now - but UWA might not be happy with that plan.

[aaronaugi1]

Probably too late to mention it now - but UWA might not be happy with that plan.

UWA record all their regular lectures. Not sure about summer school but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

The use of microphones and the projector tonight is an indicator they probably did record it in some capacity.

[Perth4life]

did you go?

how was it?

[Dilaz89]

it was a decent night. Sean was excellent and really provoked peoples thoughts. A majority of people were receptive to the idea of higher density but some confused about the waterfront. Ken Adam spoke about some inhibiters to affordable housing and also said that the waterfront was not like southbank because it faces south.

[stadiumdesigner]

it was a decent night. Sean was excellent and really provoked peoples thoughts. A majority of people were receptive to the idea of higher density but some confused about the waterfront. Ken Adam spoke about some inhibiters to affordable housing and also said that the waterfront was not like southbank because it faces south.

which is a good point....as the cafes on the water are going to cop some horrendous weather in winter. for them to work, there would need to be an inlet, with the cafes actually facing north. sounds stupid...but its the truth

[Dilaz89]

where theres a problem there is a solutions.

benefits also outweigh negatives.

[jez_24]

like Perspex? :D

Edit: please don't take me too seriously, but sliding Perspex walls would be better than those clear plastic flaps that make a hell of a ruckus. They are the worst

[Scrawny]

it was a decent night. Sean was excellent and really provoked peoples thoughts. A majority of people were receptive to the idea of higher density but some confused about the waterfront. Ken Adam spoke about some inhibiters to affordable housing and also said that the waterfront was not like southbank because it faces south.

Well that's technically correct, but so what?

[Bonga]

Ken Adam made some good points, but he didn't explain why the south-facing buildings of the Waterfront plan are a problem. Does anyone know what he meant? I don't think he mentioned anything about wind/weather...

[Scrawny]

We're not talking about a suburban house ffs.

[Bonga]

UWA record all their regular lectures. Not sure about summer school but it wouldn't hurt to ask.
I've just sent them an e-mail.

Last time I asked about this sort of thing, I was told that the presentation I wanted to see had been recorded, but they never provided a link to actually view it. We'll see what they say this time.

[RocStar]

29. How will sea level changes affect the Mounts Bay development?

An allowance for possible sea level rise in the coming century is included. The buildings will be around 3 metres above the current day mean sea and river water level. This is higher than some existing riverside developments and will provide additional security against any river flooding of the development.


31. Will the area be too windy for major public spaces?
No - the circular space is designed to moderate the wind and create more protected spaces than are currently possible.

[Auxodium]

Although i supported Sean's and Nick's speeches, I actually thought that Ken Adams' speech was very good to be honest and it certainly reinforced my views on improving housing affordability.

I respect him in his profession, however i dont agree with ideas of his such as NBridge Link being a massive patch of lawn and the waterfront being 2 level houses...

although i do support his moves at getting more people living in the CBD... so he isnt all doom and gloom in a fascist kind of way as some members here paint him out to be...

i dont agree with him on the southbank and perth waterfront arguement (i mentioned above) however dilaz didnt exactly pose it in such a way to get a reply... just a verbal barrage which he got his facts wrong about Eureka (please refer to a building called Q1) but it made me think and just reaffirmed that we need the waterfront plan to improve the city.

[aaronaugi1]

maybe i miss interpreted but i believe Ken breifly spoke about releasing more land as means of solving Perth's property value problems. To me, releasing new land beyond what we already plan for, in Perths situation, will just be a short term answer to Perths long term goals. Firstly its unsustainable in Perths current economic form (industry and commerical centre layout) and would only perpetuate the problem outlined by Nicholas last night; that we need to achieve a greater variety of housing.

What were peoples thoughts on his dicussion about first home buyers grants perpetuating the problem and the "trickle down affect"?

Btw, as much as i thought Sean and Ken did a great job and were less conservative about what they said then Nic, i felt Nic's presentation had more of an effect on those present, given the audiences demographic.

AUX, Dilaz was not wrong in his facts. Eureka is the tallest residential BUILDING in the world. Q1 just has a bigger SPIRE. For me Eureka deserves the credit more so becuase, technically, its a bigger building feat.

[Sanj]

ken actually made a bit of sense, especially with his talk of how prices in new developments etc have increased as the cost of infrastructure is now passed on to the developer, who passes it on to the buyers.

as much as i hate to admit it, the part where he made sense re the waterfront was that by having ppl living in those high rise buildings we are opening ourselves up to having venues/cafes/bars being shut down due to noise complaints and that is a very real possibility in perth. the problem is tho that he said he wanted apartments to be in close proximity but without being right there (he mentioned southbank as an example of what he wanted as the apartments are 50m or so from the actual water) but i see 2 problems with that:

1) if we go ahead with his plan of hillarys on the swan there will not be the critical mass of ppl living nearby that even he said helped make southbank
2) if we moved the tall phallic tower around it would still be close enough to have residents possibly complain about noise.

[aaronaugi1]

as much as i hate to admit it, the part where he made sense re the waterfront was that by having ppl living in those high rise buildings we are opening ourselves up to having venues/cafes/bars being shut down due to noise complaints and that is a very real possibility in perth. the problem is tho that he said he wanted apartments to be in close proximity but without being right there (he mentioned southbank as an example of what he wanted as the apartments are 50m or so from the actual water) but i see 2 problems with that:

1) if we go ahead with his plan of hillarys on the swan there will not be the critical mass of ppl living nearby that even he said helped make southbank
2) if we moved the tall phallic tower around it would still be close enough to have residents possibly complain about noise.


Sorry Sanj, got to disagree with you there. He was dribbleing tripe IMO. People already live in the CBD. People already live in Northbridge...Do bars, cafes, nightclubs even, get shut down due to noise complaints?

Not to mention the fact those moving into the towers would surely have a knowledge of what to expect when it comes to noise.

I think Ken confuses himself. At one point he was saying that there is a need for street level interaction and thats why the waterfront plan is bad. I think he believes that becuase the buildings may be partly residential, that we'll see more granite lobbies.

He discussed that the residents wouldn't interact with the streetscape below. I would think buying an apartment there would be based on being able to do so. Obviously the older generation at the discussion thought otherwise.

[crazyknightsfan]

ken actually made a bit of sense, especially with his talk of how prices in new developments etc have increased as the cost of infrastructure is now passed on to the developer, who passes it on to the buyers.

Which is the way it should be, unlike the developers making a profit from taxpayers having to fund the infrastructure

[Sanj]

Sorry Sanj, got to disagree with you there. He was dribbleing tripe IMO. People already live in the CBD. People already live in Northbridge...Do bars, cafes, nightclubs even, get shut down due to noise complaints?



I think Ken confuses himself. At one point he was saying that there is a need for street level interaction and thats why the waterfront plan is bad. I think he believes that becuase the buildings may be partly residential, that we'll see more granite lobbies.

He discussed that the residents wouldn't interact with the streetscape below. I would think buying an apartment there would be based on being able to do so. Obviously the older generation at the discussion thought otherwise.

i agree with u re Ken confusing himself etc and i still think he is a clown but if u think that "Not to mention the fact those moving into the towers would surely have a knowledge of what to expect when it comes to noise. " then u are kidding yourself.


ken mentioned the old swan brewery residents complaining about noise and that led to their opening hours being amended. let's not forget the grosvenor being forced to stop having live gigs there after decades of doing so because of noise complaints from a couple of ppl.

hudson gallery was closed due to noise complaints from 1 single resident. just 1. not 10 or 20. i repeat 1. do u honestly believe that there would not be a single complaint from some idiot who lived there? i dont doubt that it would be stupid as they should know what they are getting into but the fact is they have the power to shut down venues.

basically i agree with what u are saying in principle, but the fact is in practise ken is correct about noise being a big issue with residents in such close proximity and our archaic rules on this.

[crave]

i blame council. not tha idiot who makes a complaint. to me, council needs to take a stance on this particular issue and make it clear that living in tha city, means noise.

[Sanj]

Which is the way it should be, unlike the developers making a profit from taxpayers having to fund the infrastructure

the fact is the developers do not pay for it at the end of the day, the buyers do. all such costs are passed on to buyers which is why the cost of blocks even on the fringe is still not exactly cheap.

developers work on fairly standard sort of profit margins, if some of the infrastructure costs were paid for by the government then cost of land in new subdivisions would come down. u can say well what if the developer chose to not reduce prices but the fact is it is a very competetive industry and you would definitely find them lowering the prices as the cost of developing gets lower.

i dont understand the anti developer stance here sometimes. they HAVE to make a profit. thats how they make money. do any of u work for free? if they cant make $$ they simply will not do it and lets face it we dont want everything to gridn to a halt do we?

[Dilaz89]

aux, I never once got my facts wrong.

Sanj, regarding noise complaints, the government can change the rules accordingly so really that is not an issue. Apartments would also be separated by podiums and carparking levels.

[Sanj]

fair enough, as long as they have the balls to actually change the rules. as for the podiums and carparking levels, i can assure u that doesnt make a huge difference. i live on the 7th floor and when ppl are out in the pool or the common area and are making heaps of noise i can hear it loud and clear.

[Dilaz89]

I guess I can't comment because I don't live in an apartment building but what I do know is that noise complaints can be changed. Labor bought them down from 10 to 1 so it really wouldnt be that difficult to increase that limit.

[crazyknightsfan]

the fact is the developers do not pay for it at the end of the day, the buyers do. all such costs are passed on to buyers which is why the cost of blocks even on the fringe is still not exactly cheap.

developers work on fairly standard sort of profit margins, if some of the infrastructure costs were paid for by the government then cost of land in new subdivisions would come down. u can say well what if the developer chose to not reduce prices but the fact is it is a very competetive industry and you would definitely find them lowering the prices as the cost of developing gets lower.

i dont understand the anti developer stance here sometimes. they HAVE to make a profit. thats how they make money. do any of u work for free? if they cant make $$ they simply will not do it and lets face it we dont want everything to gridn to a halt do we?

Buyers should be made to pay for the infrastructure rather than everyone else, especially in new release areas. It's only cheaper because there's shit infrastructure and then the taxpayers pay for it and buyer gets a profit through land value increases

[Dilaz89]

Ken talked about some sort of property tax for middle to high income households. I doubt anyone would have the political will to do so.

[jez_24]

I was laughing a little to myself at one point (no Sanj, not that part about the letter :D) when Ken actually said that the NB link plan would truly earn Perth the title of 'Dullsville'. I love how he played to the audience and tried to position himself and his organisation as progressive. And it was a clear dig at Sean (or am I reading too much into that?)

Also his opening statements, one of which was "We can reinvent and reinvent the same radical ideas over and over again", again a clear dig at the two Gen Y speakers that I found unnecessarily condescending. However he did back it up with evidence of past thought such as the Network City idea being around for ages. I can only go on what he say though, unless I research this for myself.

[aaronaugi1]

I was laughing a little to myself at one point (no Sanj, not that part about the letter :D) when Ken actually said that the NB link plan would truly earn Perth the title of 'Dullsville'. I love how he played to the audience and tried to position himself and his organisation as progressive. And it was a clear dig at Sean (or am I reading too much into that?)



I fail to see how a park could be anymore exciting then a shopping and entertainment district. A park, for tourists, and even for locals has a very limited use. You might utilise the space once or twice a year. Commerical and retail space always has a use.

I laughed inside about Kens comments about "flooding" the market. In our current situation the comment has SOME merits. Though this is a decade long project. Whos to say we wont have a sevre lack of floor space and inner city apartments by the time it is completed. Worse yet, Ken made several comments on how demand is outstripping supply in the suburbs and we should have "seen it coming". Anyone else see the problem there?

[Bonga]

I find myself agreeing with Ken that the Northbridge Link plan is rather dull. It seems like a competent 'by the numbers' planning exercise, but I don't find much of it particularly imaginative. While I'm also not convinced that his alternative vision of a central park is the way to go, I think he's right to promote the need to do something 'out of the ordinary' with the opportunity.

But perhaps I'm just over it because it feels like it has been such a long, drawn-out process... which, in fairness, is largely just part and parcel of major redevelopment projects like this.

[Bonga]

By the way, Joanna, I love that signature. It confirms why you were feeding us baked goods on the night the committee was elected. ;)

[Scraperfan]

lol i only just noticed.

hey given what ken said, would you guys like to have him as a guest at a future meeting once we are more established?

[acc521]

^^I think that's a brilliant idea.

[aaronaugi1]

lol i only just noticed.

hey given what ken said, would you guys like to have him as a guest at a future meeting once we are more established?

yes. esspecially if he can prove us wrong. it was really the first time i'd been in a forum with people who strongly disagree with what we believe is correct.

[Sanj]

I was laughing a little to myself at one point (no Sanj, not that part about the letter :D) when Ken actually said that the NB link plan would truly earn Perth the title of 'Dullsville'. I love how he played to the audience and tried to position himself and his organisation as progressive. And it was a clear dig at Sean (or am I reading too much into that?)

Also his opening statements, one of which was "We can reinvent and reinvent the same radical ideas over and over again", again a clear dig at the two Gen Y speakers that I found unnecessarily condescending. However he did back it up with evidence of past thought such as the Network City idea being around for ages. I can only go on what he say though, unless I research this for myself.


haha yeah i know what u mean re the letter, i nearly lost it. it was also particularly apt when he was waffling on about how his organisation was at the forefront etc but at that very second his picture of perth that was shown on the screen went off into a screensaver due to inactivity.

u couldnt plan how perfect that was.

i also didnt like it when he said at the beginning that there are no new ideas, merely old ones rehashed.

[Dilaz89]

I find myself agreeing with Ken that the Northbridge Link plan is rather dull. It seems like a competent 'by the numbers' planning exercise, but I don't find much of it particularly imaginative. While I'm also not convinced that his alternative vision of a central park is the way to go, I think he's right to promote the need to do something 'out of the ordinary' with the opportunity.

But perhaps I'm just over it because it feels like it has been such a long, drawn-out process... which, in fairness, is largely just part and parcel of major redevelopment projects like this.

To me the NB Link doesn't need to be out of the ordinary as that's not what Perths needs right now. We need a critical mass of residents, diversity in retail, diversity in public spaces and ofcourse, density!

The NB link delivers all of these things and it leaves the door open for iconic design of individual buildings. There are also provisions that will allow maxium building heights to be exceeded if required.

[Auxodium]

Ken Adams' isnt exactly the bad guy as people depict him... but some of his views on issues and developments are somewhat old fashioned and somewhat poorly thought out.


Ken adams is right that NBridge link is a dull project, a typically sterile project... but his idea of a park is a ridiculous idea... so i kind of half agree with him...


as for critical mass... he must be in lala land if he thinks that isnt an issue for global development

[RocStar]

The NB link will be dull if the critical mass isn't there. A park isn't going to deliver that. Maybe in 100 years or so when Ken's NY central park vision may have the surrounding population to support it.

[Bonga]

To me the NB Link doesn't need to be out of the ordinary as that's not what Perths needs right now. We need a critical mass of residents, diversity in retail, diversity in public spaces and ofcourse, density!
Agreed, but I can't help but wonder if these things could all still be achieved in a more interesting way. You're probably right in saying that the individual building designs could deliver this to a certain extent, although I'm not overly optimistic that that will happen.

That said, EPRA created some beautiful public open spaces in Subi and East Perth, so even if the buildings turn out to be complete crap, they'll hopefully be set into a nice surrounding environment. :D

[Dilaz89]

Like all EPRA projects, sites can be sold with preconditions.

That's right Bon, we've seen lovely green spaces shape areas like East Perth and Subi but now its time to let urban design take centre stage in shaping the public realm.

[jez_24]

By the way, Joanna, I love that signature. It confirms why you were feeding us baked goods on the night the committee was elected. ;)

Why, I don't know what you're talking about Bonga...

:shifty:

[scotdaliney]

Nice to see some people here happy to dialogue with views other than their own, rather than dismiss them as wrong automatically. A rare site on the internet.

[acc521]

The only way anything will move forward is with open discussion and at least a willingness to see where the other party is coming from. In the end agreement might not be reached however in many instances, the outcome will be better than anyone expected.

[Dilaz89]

Admittedly, Ken Adam was at his best last night. He was far more moderate than he is within his own circles.

Still, I have read everything they've published and based on that, I disgree with them.

It would be good for one of them to come along one night.

[Scraperfan]

would you guys be interested in a futureperth group holiday to dubai?

like 10 to 20 of us could go over in 12 months, for 4-7 days.

[crave]

it depends. are you paying for me andrew?

<3

[Scraperfan]

would you guys be interested in a futureperth group holiday to dubai?

like 10 to 20 of us could go over in 12 months, for 4-7 days.

it depends. are you paying for me andrew?
<3

im sure we could arrange some kind of barter arrangement. you know how i like it. :)

...but seriously, this could be a great group holiday, we could go to see every major project and perhaps get some site access by flashing our official group thing.

in fact, we could make a regular thing of this, a yearly group trip to see the most exciting skyscraper developments. come on guys, this could be fantastic!

[aaronaugi1]

im sure we could arrange some kind of barter arrangement. you know how i like it. :)

...but seriously, this could be a great group holiday, we could go to see every major project and perhaps get some site access by flashing our official group thing.

in fact, we could make a regular thing of this, a yearly group trip to see the most exciting skyscraper developments. come on guys, this could be fantastic!

when we get the member base that the organisation can afford to subsidise such a trip. Even if it was only say $100 per person.

We don't even have a budget yet (nudge, Aux).

[Homeroids]

My apologies for being quiet of late. Searching for new job (yes I have one but have moved back to where I was before a secondment finished up recently. The wife has also started part-time so I am part-time Mr Mum. Lots of things happening at the moment.

[jez_24]

I could do that i guess, would be fun. And someone needs to pick up after all you boys, and make sure you have clean handkerchiefs and such.

Approximate cost? Will I need a sugar daddy?

[Scraperfan]

Dunno maybe just a 4 night stay in Dubai plus airfares.

Could book it for between 3rd and 4th semester 2009.

maybe $2000, deposit not needed until march or something.

[Auxodium]

Lol people better start donating ;) :lol:

[Scraperfan]

im talking a self funded trip hey. a years notice of the trip gives people plenty of time to budget.

futureperth does dubai. lets make this happen.

[aaronaugi1]

im talking a self funded trip hey. a years notice of the trip gives people plenty of time to budget.

futureperth does dubai. lets make this happen.

I' m confused. We a trip to Dubai be based on discovering what not to do...or looking at the good things about Dubai's urban environment.

We all know deep down (just like councillors do when they go overseas) its just a holiday, but theres got to be something we can sell to the people that we'll gain from it.

[Auxodium]

im talking a self funded trip hey. a years notice of the trip gives people plenty of time to budget.

futureperth does dubai. lets make this happen.

My Canada/USA/Mexico trip has virtually bankrupted me so my holiday plans are crippled atm until March of 2009 when i have some money flowing again as they pay me monthly... *Sigh*

[Perth4life]

paid monthly?

wow that fucking sucks

[Citystyle]

im talking a self funded trip hey. a years notice of the trip gives people plenty of time to budget.

futureperth does dubai. lets make this happen.

I would love to go to Dubai. I was thinking however in 2011 after i finnish tafe.

In a complete urban sense, the place is chaos. But allot the developments are decent at ground level.

[jackso]

I think I would wait for a few years before I go to Dubai. I want alot more stuff to be up and running, more city less sandpit.

[Perth4life]

i'd go there maybe to see the observation deck and all the sights, that's about it, wouldn't live there.

[Scrawny]

I think I would wait for a few years before I go to Dubai. I want alot more stuff to be up and running, more city less sandpit.

I went there a number of times back in 2002 when I was living in Qatar. It was awesome then, I can't imagine what it would be like now.

[Auxodium]

paid monthly?

wow that fucking sucks

sure does, but it is cheaper for payroll to do it that way... plus it is extremely common now in the workplace i have been told...

yeah it sucks though

[Sanj]

yeah im on monthly too. sucks when u first start but to be honest i dont nmind it now. forces u to use yr money more wisely.

[chrisaus]

isnt dubai more of a city to have a quick look at on the way to europe? I wouldnt think it would be worth forking out $1600 for just a few days in Dubai

[Auxodium]

no... it isnt on my things to do that is being honest... id rather do some cheap flights to Singapore, HK and places (dont laugh) Cairns, Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide....

[TRS-80]

Is anyone reading membership@futureperth.org, I'd like to join and give you money.

[jez_24]

I think only Alvin has access to it atm, he should be back today. But thanks :) yay for $$!

[Auxodium]

i havent got the banking details required... i have sent email Mr Chairman

[TRS-80]

I didn't hear anything back, and have sent another email to membership@ but am yet to get a reply.

[alvse]

I didn't hear anything back, and have sent another email to membership@ but am yet to get a reply.

sent you an email 3 days ago to your @ucc.****** address

[Auxodium]

alvse, lol sit this play out mate :P

[TRS-80]

sent you an email 3 days ago to your @ucc.****** address

I didn't get it - my email host has been having a few problems, could you resend? Thanks.

[Sanj]

committee members - i have just sent an email out as i wont be able to make it tonight. can someone pls print a few copies of the email out as i think there are a few things in there worth the group knowing about.

thanks.

[Homeroids]

I think I have mentioned this before, but I can't make Monday/Tuesday nights. The wife is working. I have to look after the kids. I will need to read minutes :)

[alvse]

Won't be able to make it tonight boys (and girls)... I accidently double booked the night :(

[tbor]

Sorry guys (and gal), my bro n I couldn't make it last night. Its a long (and nerdy) story...

[jez_24]

Oh tell it! Please?

[Sanj]

so how was the meeting jez?

[jez_24]

Low turnout, so we couldn't get a lot done re getting people organised to do stuff :(

but we did get some important things sorted, like the agenda for that meeting we'll be going to. The minutes should be out soon.

[alvse]

Sorry guys (and gal), my bro n I couldn't make it last night. Its a long (and nerdy) story...



You both got copies of Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3, and had a massive urge to annialate each other in hours long sessions of network skirmish combat :lol:

[Auxodium]

Red Alert 3 is out? ZOMG!!! i need to investigate been playing DoD and WoW lol

[tbor]

Far less interesting than that Im afraid! Without going into detail: Guy was building computers (his moonlighting job) and I was doing a software rollout at work. Lol, yeah Im cool BTW :righton:

[Scraperfan]

youre hot, so youre allowed to be geeky when you want.

ugly nerds have no other alternative. :)

anyhoo, the low turnouts further my argument for tuesday meetings in future. i will attent every tuesday meeting if we can make that change please. Was this discussed?

[Bonga]

anyhoo, the low turnouts further my argument for tuesday meetings in future. i will attent every tuesday meeting if we can make that change please. Was this discussed?
Yes, it was discussed, and it was decided to keep the meetings on Mondays.

[jez_24]

Couldn't have put it better myself SF. Haha. Oh and sorry about the tuesday thing... :(

[Auxodium]

try and use the forum preese

[Homeroids]

Red Alert 3 is out? ZOMG!!! i need to investigate been playing DoD and WoW lol


I know this is completely off topic but what is your main Toon's name and what realm in WoW?

Elija/Nagrand. :)

[alvse]

I know this is completely off topic but what is your main Toon's name and what realm in WoW?

Elija/Nagrand. :)



Catequil - Lvl 70 Human Warlock on Boulderfist


:lol:


I haven't played in a year :lol:

[Scraperfan]

Yes, it was discussed, and it was decided to keep the meetings on Mondays.

tuesday meetings = better turnout.

so dont anyone whinge to me about low attendances. fuck all people have showed up to the last 2 meetings which i believe is due to mondays being restrictive. especially going into summer. who doesnt do the sunday session in summer??????!

fuck it. im pissed off.

[Sanj]

calm down princess. :)

why cant u make mondays?

[Auxodium]

I know this is completely off topic but what is your main Toon's name and what realm in WoW?

Elija/Nagrand. :)

.... guess my name...

Auxodium/Blackrock lvl 74 now :P

[Scraperfan]

calm down princess. :)

why cant u make mondays?

sunday, drinking all day in the sun.
monday, busiest day of the week.

i have to process client requests from the whole weekend with a hangover, so have to work late on mondays and if i do get to finish early, im not in the mood to travel half an hour into the city and back.

who wants to be recovering from a weekend of drinking and go to a 2 hour evening meeting that night anyway?

but, do as you will. ill contribute what i can.

[Sanj]

fair enough. i wasnt at the meeting yesterday, was just curious about why monday doesnt work for u.

[Auxodium]

unless there are better food arrangements on tuesday im happy with monday :P food seals the deal lol

[Homeroids]

We should start a "Future Perth" guild in Wow on a new realm. We can meet from home in WoW chat. Arghh - I am being silly.

I hope to hit L75 tonight with Toon Elija. I am still a mod - if this is annoying, I will delete this shite.

OnT: I simply can't make Mon's and Tue's due to the other half working. I'm real sorry for that.

[jez_24]

It seemed like monday was fine with everyone else so we didnt change it. If tuesday is still fine with everyone then maybe we could change. But it had better result in more attendance or else i'll have to get my leathers out. And we don't want that to happen.

Sorry Aux, yes this should be over at FP. But none of you fuckers would read it! Bah! Shall we move over there perhaps?