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[docker]

basically City of stirling to the north

old thread here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=502453

[aaronaugi1]

Stirling Regional Centre Draft Concept Plans
Mixed-Use infill. Stephenson Avenue. Mitchell Freeway-Lake Herdsman.

Stephenson Avenue South
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Streetscape Cross-Section
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Osborn Park Hospital and Stirling Civic Area Propsal
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Stirling Station Development
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Station Sketches
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Stephenson Avenue North and Station Cross Section
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Development Area
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[Scraperfan]

Wow this project is amazing!

The amount of water features, streams etc has just blown my mind.

http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/presentation.php

http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/files/Station_Precinct.pdf

http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/files/Southern_Precinct.pdf

>> http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/files/Study_Area_And_Northern_Precinct.pdf

(^^ Check out the "venice" style canal in the city centre!!!)

This fully needs its own thread for all the screenshots available in the above pdf's. Probably the best example of sound urban design principles and imaginative thought from any renewal project ive seen in perth.

its perfect. the streams and landscaping around the waterways is the loveliest element.

[docker]

for those of you who are to lazy to look at the website or download the PDF's, these are some of the interesting bits i found.

Housing
Affordable: 20-30% of Housing
Single Bedroom: 20% of Housing
Family Housing: 25% of Housing

Open Spaces
Public Spaces: Must feel inclusive
10 Places x 10 things to do in each
1 major new city park/green space: Min 5 Hectares
Green Spaces within 200m of all dwellings

Population and Workforce
25,000 Residents within 800m of train station
30,000 workers within 800m of train station

and there are going to be Minimum Height limits, rather than Maximum heights for a change.


Also there is another community open day to check out the plans etc, on Saturday 15 November, so i urge anyone living in the area to go and check it out and report back to us and perhaps put in some support for the project.

[WAuzzie]

there's trams in there too

[Auxodium]

thanks for that i cant read so that helped me a lot

[repi]

Wow. Looks amazing. I'll be very impressed if this goes ahead.

[Sanj]

thanks for that i cant read so that helped me a lot


haha u are so the "comic book guy" of SSC.

[Scraperfan]

thanks for that i cant read so that helped me a lot

a project of such brilliance revealed and all you can do is be sarcastic? for shame aux, for shame.

[Bonga]

thanks for that i cant read so that helped me a lot
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[PerthCity]

I'm so glad to see planning on the Stirling City Centre progress, the area really is a mess and underutilised at the moment.

These plans look great, but I wish the maps would have been a little clearer.

[Scraperfan]

Ah its just cos its a concept.

I spoke to one of the project directors yesterday and she told me that every single major institution is involved in this be it the department of planning, city of striling, water corporation, department for environment and even the local business groups.

this is going to be perth's biggets and best renewal project. i think it is spectacular. just when i though ikea had gone and fucked it all up, theyre going to build around it and hide it. very happy.

ikea have a 25 year lease.

[acc521]

Minimum height limits - love it!

[TRS-80]

(^^ Check out the "venice" style canal in the city centre!!!)

This fully needs its own thread for all the screenshots available in the above pdf's. Probably the best example of sound urban design principles and imaginative thought from any renewal project ive seen in perth.

its perfect. the streams and landscaping around the waterways is the loveliest element.

There's a reason for so much water - to clean up the landfill:NORTHERN PRECINCT REQUIRES 40% OF LAND AREA TO BE UNDER WATER FOR 8 - 10 YEARS TO ENABLE BIO - REMEDIATION OF LANDFILL
60% OF LAND AREA CAN BE DEVELOPED - DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO BE HIGH INTENSITY TO PAY FOR THE REMEDIATION OF THE LANDFILL
GROUND WATER ALSO HAS TO BE REMEDIATED ON NORTHERN SIDE OF LANDFILL SITE AND RUN SOUTH TO CONNECT TO MAIN DRAIN

If you have a look on Google Maps there's already a drain down where Stephenson Ave will run. Also on Google Maps: ads for the Red Bull Air Race ‽

[Scraperfan]

yeh i know its for landfill and drainage.

but you can guarantee that once established, theres no way the residents would let their lovely waterways be filled in. my prediction is theyll stay.

[Qbriserth]

Wow, it would be nice to see a few new TODs like this poping around Perth Metro. I think it is the go these days. I hope others support it, as it would benefit people at IKEA too, lol... Make 7 day trading happen maybe..

[Auxodium]

BTW i love the concept by the city of stirling SF :P

[aaronaugi1]

I'm scared of the tram OR bus lane provision. I think we all know which is the more likely option.

Great intiative but i've been told within council they may come accross a number of envrionmental (re; lake herdsman) and funding costs (new government and stirlings already large capital works).

[samboy]

Perth - DRAFT CONCEPT PLAN>REALITY (30 years MAY BE).

Yes I'm a realist

[ryan79]

Fucking brilliant if it goes ahead. Hide that IKEA bitch.

[aaronaugi1]

Perth - DRAFT CONCEPT PLAN>REALITY (30 years MAY BE).

Yes I'm a realist

A project of this size would probably take 2-3yars to get going and 10years to complete. I don't think it will have to much opposition unlike some of the inner city renewals. No one cares about Innaloo/Stirling...plus theres hardly any residences affected by this.

[acc521]

This is exactly the kind of area that would be great for some public housing.

[PerthCity]

This is exactly the kind of area that would be great for some public housing.

Too many dodgy suburbs like Innaloo and Doubleview near the area already. Send them elsewhere.

[repi]

What a stupid comment. Name me a better location for public housing. This is close to good infrastructure and those suburbs are much less dodgy than a lot of places in Perth - Doubleview in particular is pretty upmarket these days. They're in the catchment area to Churchlands SHS, one of the best public schools in the state.

[Scraperfan]

last time i checked, doubleview was a pretty good suburb?

the suburb in question IS innaloo too... id quit while youre ahead on this one perthcity.

[ryan79]

Again a misinformed beachy.

Your living 20 years behind mate.

Doubleview is full of million dollar mansions nowdays and Innaloo is coming up well and truly.

[acc521]

Yup, although in an ideal world I'd be an innner city kind of guy I could easily live there. Close to public transport, the city, the beach and so forth.

[Scraperfan]

yep. it could be like a cbd of the north but close to everything as well as the beach.

its just fantastic, this has really boosted my confidence in perth's ability to create busting town centres out in the suburbs over the next 20 years.

[Bonga]

yep. it could be like a cbd of the north but close to everything as well as the beach.

its just fantastic, this has really boosted my confidence in perth's ability to create busting town centres out in the suburbs over the next 20 years.
There's a town centre in Doubleview? Where?

Or are you referring back to the Stirling City concept plan?

[Sanj]

Too many dodgy suburbs like Innaloo and Doubleview near the area already. Send them elsewhere.

haha u truly do astound me with your ignorance.
u been to doubleview lately, or even innaloo?

u seen the sort of houses and prices?

[Scraperfan]

bonga i was referring to the stirling city centre plan.

doubleview's town centre is karrinyup shopping centre. :)

[PerthCity]

haha u truly do astound me with your ignorance.
u been to doubleview lately, or even innaloo?

u seen the sort of houses and prices?

Who mentioned house prices?

Innaloo and Doubleview are still rougher suburbs compared with the ones close by, but no they're not Balga.

The average price gets pushed up in these areas because they have many new townhouse or unit developments, which people pay more for because they are new.

The older parts of these suburbs are full of asbestos housing and dirty yards and would certainly not attract top dollar.

[acc521]

You should really stop making comments that contain certain explicit points and implications than, when people rip apart what you say with legitimate substantiated claims, go on like you were talking about something completely different. It's getting very tiring.

[Sanj]

have u been to doubleview recently? my point is that it isnt a rough suburb and it has a lot going for it.

EDIT - actually dont bother replying, i have better ways to waste my time than to try and introduce u to reality

[aaronaugi1]

have u been to doubleview recently? my point is that it isnt a rough suburb and it has a lot going for it.

EDIT - actually dont bother replying, i have better ways to waste my time than to try and introduce u to reality

His idea of Doubleview is probably what he sees along Scarborough Beach Road and down on the beachfront.

Go a few streets in...behind Innaloo, Herdsman, Jackadder Lake, Duke Street.

[Scraperfan]

double view is expensive for a reason - its called doubleview because it err... has a "double view".

its right on the hill so you can see the ocean and also uninterrupted views to the city and beyond.

i love double view. theres tons of huge mansions there, i have no idea why anyone would say its a shitty suburb.

the lower ocean side as you say is infected by the scarborough shithole, theres a lot of older unit style developments there.

the karrinyup side and top of the hill is totally upmarket though.

[PD]

In Today's paper Barnett stated that he is all for urban infill on rail routes.

[PerthCity]

You should really stop making comments that contain certain explicit points and implications than, when people rip apart what you say with legitimate substantiated claims, go on like you were talking about something completely different. It's getting very tiring.

Your post doesn't even make sense, I commented generally on the make up of the surrounding areas, and have maintained my stance. What are you attempting to say? What have I said that is different? That they're not Balga? That they contain some new unit developments? I can't list every obvious point for you.

Yeah Sanj has seen a few more prestigious homes in Doubleview upon the rises...so what? Both suburbs still have huge portions of rented homes and old housing. A street or two of quality homes does not make this large area any less dodgy. And as for house prices, Innaloo is just above the Perth average, Doubleview has a median about 100K higher than that, which aren't great considering they are centrally located suburbs close to the coast.

[acc521]

Too many dodgy suburbs like Innaloo and Doubleview near the area already. Send them elsewhere.

This is what sparked the current round of conversation and once more you've completely tried to change the conversation to avoid having to justify your claim. I'm not going to discuss this anymore because there is no point.

[Auxodium]

Currambine = AKA Dead TOD

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[gotime]

The average price gets pushed up in these areas because they have many new townhouse or unit developments, which people pay more for because they are new.

The older parts of these suburbs are full of asbestos housing and dirty yards and would certainly not attract top dollar.

where do you think the land for these new townhouses come from?

the demand for these new townhouses in these areas pushes up demand for abestos housing and dirty yards, pushing up land prices across the board...

[Sanj]

don't bite when it comes to trying to get him to see logic.

i nearly did when he claimed that doubleviews median was barely above the perth average when it is around 45% more...

[PerthCity]

This is what sparked the current round of conversation and once more you've completely tried to change the conversation to avoid having to justify your claim. I'm not going to discuss this anymore because there is no point.

Of course you're not going to discuss it, because you make no sense. Who has tried to change conversation when for the last page we have been discussing the claim that Innaloo and Doubleview are already dodgy suburbs??

Oh and for you, and those carrying on about housing prices, this map proves my point perfectly:

http://reiwa.com/research/perth-median-price-map.cfm

Now which suburbs stick out like a sore thumb in that central northern coastal area? Doubleview and Scarborough. Innaloo median is only 530K, and Doubleview 655K, well below surrounding suburbs.

Do you get that logic now, Sanj?

[Sanj]

actually according to that, doubleview is in the same price bracket as gwelup, karrinyup and carine, which are similar distances from the coast as doubleview. u also tried to say that its median price was barely over the perth median, its is actually 200k over the perth median, nearly 50%.

do u get that logic now?

i never said that doubleview was the best suburb around, i said it wasnt a dodgy suburb and that it has a lot going for it.

[BartBart]

actually according to that, doubleview is in the same price bracket as gwelup, karrinyup and carine, which are similar distances from the coast as doubleview. u also tried to say that its median price was barely over the perth median, its is actually 200k over the perth median, nearly 50%.

do u get that logic now?

i never said that doubleview was the best suburb around, i said it wasnt a dodgy suburb and that it has a lot going for it.

And one that is really divided in two (either side of Scarborough Beach Road). The north side has actually changed markedly over the last 5-10 years - with many of the older cheap houses removed and new ones built.

[PerthCity]

actually according to that, doubleview is in the same price bracket as gwelup, karrinyup and carine, which are similar distances from the coast as doubleview.

Actually according to that, Doubleview has a lower median price than Gwelup, Karrinyup and Carine, by up to $145 thousand. And considering those suburbs are further north and slightly more inland.

u also tried to say that its median price was barely over the perth median, its is actually 200k over the perth median, nearly 50%..

Actually, I said that Innaloos median price was barely over the median.


i never said that doubleview was the best suburb around, i said it wasnt a dodgy suburb and that it has a lot going for it.

Has a lot going for it, sure, with its proximity to the city, the beach, the freeway and major shopping destinations in Innaloo/Osborne Park, but unfortunately still a dodgy suburb at present. If it wasn't, then properties there would demand the same prices as in neighboring suburbs on all sides.

[JWPJ]

What a stupid comment. Name me a better location for public housing. This is close to good infrastructure and those suburbs are much less dodgy than a lot of places in Perth - Doubleview in particular is pretty upmarket these days. They're in the catchment area to Churchlands SHS, one of the best public schools in the state.

Churchlands cannot deal with hundreds more students... they'll have more demountables than buildings soon, especially after admin was damaged in a fire...

[repi]

^^ agreed. It's stupidly overcrowded at the moment. (It was almost entirely rebuilt after the 1997 fire, and yet now has almost as many demountables as when half of it was a constructions site :bash:)

But from what I hear, the demographic estimates are that the school population will peak in the next couple of years and then decline a bit. So there may be some capacity coming online soon. Which makes sense, as a lot of the homeowners in the area are the tail end of the baby boomers, whose kids are now reaching the end of high school.

[BartBart]

Doubleview is always going to be a lower median price to the suburbs directly to the south which aren't part of City of Stirling, so therefore much less likely to be able to sub-divide. i.e. lots are much bigger

[Auxodium]

Doubleview is in stirling...??? ARF?

[chrisaus]

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[Auxodium]

Marmion Av is nearing completion i have been told from Butler to Yanchep...

[Scraperfan]

mindarie marina has a weird atmsphere. cant describe it.

if i owned the place, id put wood decking on the waters edge pathways, more like hillarys. its the decking that makes it seem maritime. you cant call it a bloody boardwalk if its not on wood!

[Auxodium]

Joondalup

Cnr of Davidson Tce and Boas Ave

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[chrisaus]

more offices for herdsman lake

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[aaronaugi1]

^^^ next to my sisters work....claim train tooot! tooot!

[Skyline Art]

Nice ^^ it even comes with balconies....

Are the bottom three levels car parking disguised behind glass? Hope not if it is pretty close to the train (i.e. last comment by aaronaugi1), there probably needs to be carparking but if it's close to PT or hopefully at least those three levels can be retrofitted in the future to change.

[Auxodium]

balconies? they are sun shades for the windows... all bloody Perth buildings that are about 9-20 levels have these lol


edit... my mistake skylineart

[Skyline Art]

No :bash: look at the corner left of the building where a couple are standing on the 4th floor (after ground floor)....

:lol: do u think the people on that floor are just standing at the window then?


As for your comment on the sunshades, yeah I know what your referring to and i.e. on the left of the building and possibly the roof top.... lol they are definately not balconies to my eyes..:lol:

[aaronaugi1]

Nice ^^ it even comes with balconies....

Are the bottom three levels car parking disguised behind glass? Hope not if it is pretty close to the train (i.e. last comment by aaronaugi1), there probably needs to be carparking but if it's close to PT or hopefully at least those three levels can be retrofitted in the future to change.

There will most certainly be secure parking below. All the surrounding buildings have ample...including the scummy newspaper outlet nearby by (lol. urbanwriter).

The fact there is no cycle path and limited pedestrian paths in the Glendalough area means they'll all drive.

[Scraperfan]

balconies? they are sun shades for the windows... all bloody Perth buildings that are about 9-20 levels have these lol

lol. too quick to comment yet again aux!

[Auxodium]

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[Skyline Art]

^^ 25,000 people living in that area? hmmn sounds like some decent density....better than what i thought as below....

Now I know what that big swathe of land is, an old rubbish tip. :lol: i always thought it was a big parkland that council had reserved for a park... I thought it was for a future sports centre stadium or something? is it big enough?

[Scrawny]

Stephenson highway is not going to happen.

[Skyline Art]

Stephenson highway is not going to happen.

the Barnett govt might want to though, lol if they want to build a bunch of freeway interchanges and upgrading highways to freeways they might be thinking about this too.... :lol:

:lol: i know a guy in main roads who has been waiting for the day for this to get built......

[Auxodium]

prolly the part that goes to the freeway prolly... would be a better access road than hutton street to be honest...

[chrisaus]

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[WAuzzie]

gotta be kidding. 1 bed in JOONDALUP! for 345 000 ... wouldnt pay that much in the city

[chrisaus]

gotta be kidding. 1 bed in JOONDALUP! for 345 000 ... wouldnt pay that much in the city

your looking at 430-460 in the cbd east perth area so thats pretty cheap. that compared to about 550,000 for a small home

[aaronaugi1]

Stephenson highway is not going to happen.

lol. Its in the new Stirling Plans. the councillors like it and the new government as far as i know, has nothing against it. Land is vacant and reserved in Herdsmen and Innaloo.

I have no doubts the "Highway" (i think the council wants it reffered to as Stephenson Avenue) will be constructed in the short term to Jon Saunders Driver from the Freeway. The Wembley route is a bit doubtful however.

[perthgazer]

DJs reveals WA expansion despite global woes
25th November 2008, 9:15 WST

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=32&ContentID=109908

Upmarket retailer David Jones will open a new store at Whitford City shopping centre and refurbish its existing store at Karrinyup in a vote of confidence in the WA economy.

The move is part of a nationwide plan by the company to open three new stores and refurbish three others in the next three years.

The new Whitfords store will comprise part of a $200 million redevelopment of the centre by joint owners Dexus and Westfield.

David Jones said the new store would offer 13,500sqm in retail floor space and be set over two levels.

Retail Traders’ Association of WA executive director Wayne Spencer welcomed the move and said it showed the WA retail trade was still strong despite the international economic crisis crippling other industries.

“This is a very positive move for David Jones and shows a lot of confidence in the WA economy, WA clients and the future of the State,” he said.

“If you look at the niche market they are in, which they are very representative across their product range, they show more confidence in the WA economy because they are attacking that niche despite the economic downturn elsewhere in Australia.

“They are certainly showing WA has strength and it is the place to be for high end fashion stores.”

The new store is expected to open in 2012 under a 25-year lease with the centre’s owners.

David Jones expects growth in department store type merchandise in the area to increase from $1.4 billion to $2.3 billion by 2016, the second highest growth rate in its portfolio of stores.

David Jones said the 9500sqm Karrinyup store’s retail market was estimated at $1.8 billion and was projected to grow to $2.8 billion by 2016

A David Jones spokesman said the initiatives would begin to deliver financial benefits from about fiscal 2012.

He said the company’s expansion plans were expected to deliver more than $40 million of sales per annum by year two.

PERTH, SYDNEY
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[samboy]

In other news Myer is doing nothing about their dump in Feo :lol:

[Scraperfan]

fuck. david jones should have opened in joondalup.

whitford city = traffic chaos.

[Qbriserth]

Where are they going to build it, over the western car park and put parking on top or under it?
Or put it on the Big W end?

Not much land there now, around Xmas time will suck more, it's bad enough finding a park there some saturday mornings.....

Yeah Joondalup should have got it, but then again wasn't Myer being proposed for there in years to come between the bus interchange and the current new car park?

[Scraperfan]

yeh a department store is slated to go there within 5 years they say, probably myer now.

at whitfords, you know the entrance to the original underground carpark is, jamaica blue is there, just down from big w. well apparently that whole area will be the new entrance, this proposal has actually been around since the last upgrade 5 years ago.

anyway, i hate whitfords, it should be mixed use, with residential and a reconfiguration to have main streets at its edges. it typifies big ugly malls with its carparks, bad road layouts, sterile concrete edges and cheap landscaping.

it sits as an island amogst its surroundings. the last upgrade totally ruined the west area of whitford avenue. what was a nice vista is now just a massive concrete wall.

demolish and start again please. id extend dampier avenue to cut the site in two and have that as a main street. some 20 storey towers could see the ocean here too, could be very lucrative.

[city_thing]

the Barnett govt might want to though, lol if they want to build a bunch of freeway interchanges and upgrading highways to freeways they might be thinking about this too.... :lol:

:lol: i know a guy in main roads who has been waiting for the day for this to get built......

Is there even enough traffic in the area to warrant a new highway there?

I hope they make it a toll way, just to piss the locals off.

[perthgazer]

http://www.davidjones.com.au/images/corp/pdf/New_&_Refurbished_Stores_25Nov08.pdf

Whitford, Western Australia

Regional Overview:
Whitford is situated on the coast of Western Australia, 25 kilometres north west of the Perth CBD. It has a resident population of approximately 260,000 and average Household Income in 2006 was $84,200. The number of high earners (i.e. individuals earning more than $78,000 per annum) has doubled in the period 2001 to 2006. DSTM in the trade area is currently estimated to be $1.4 billion and is projected to grow to $2.3 billion by 2016 (representing annual average growth of 6.1% which is the 2nd highest growth in the David Jones portfolio).

Competitive Context:
The Whitford City Shopping Centre is jointly owned by Westfield (50%) and Dexus (50%).

The centre is the third largest shopping centre in Western Australia, it attracts approximately 8 million people per annum and generates $445 million in annual turnover, which has been growing on average at 12% per annum for the last 3 years. The centre currently has more than 270 specialty stores however it has no department store offering.

Whitford Centre Redevelopment:
Westfield and Dexus are planning a $200 million redevelopment of the Whitford Centre. The redevelopment will include a new David Jones department store, a new mini major and approximately 90 new specialty stores. David Jones will be the only department store in the centre.

The New David Jones Whitford Store:

The new David Jones Whitford Centre store will be a full-line, 13,500 square metre department store set over two levels. The new store is expected to open in early 2012 and is subject to a 25 year lease.


Karrinyup, Western Australia

The Karrinyup retail market size is estimated to be in the vicinity of $1.8 billion and is projected to grow to $2.8 billion by 2016. In a comparative context this will align the market size to that of Doncaster Shopping Centre in Melbourne. The region is currently under penetrated and provides enormous growth potential for David Jones.

David Jones currently has a 9,500 square metre store in the Karrinyup centre which is owned 37.5% by Westfield and 62.5% by Unisuper and is managed by AMP. The Karrinyup Shopping Centre is the premier fashion destination in the north Perth region and is the 5th largest centre in Western Australia with MAT of approximately $410 million, attracting around 9 million customers per annum.

David Jones with landlord support will expand into a 13,000-4,000 square metre full line department store subject to all approvals.

[Scraperfan]

90 more stores?

for fucks sake, its ridiculous already.

[Scrawny]

Is there even enough traffic in the area to warrant a new highway there?

I hope they make it a toll way, just to piss the locals off.

It was basically intended to link Fremantle and the port with the Mitchell freeway. Bold Park is the show stopper.

[Ipggi]

90 more stores?

for fucks sake, its ridiculous already.

Lol your nimbying about retail choice? Or just because it is not in the centre of your choice?

[Scraperfan]

you cut out a melanoma before it grows out of control.

this centre is already packed to the rafters with traffic. unless it involves some serious investment in more parking, im totally against it.

im sure one day ill see the incorporation of residential into the complex.

[Ipggi]

you cut out a melanoma before it grows out of control.

this centre is already packed to the rafters with traffic. unless it involves some serious investment in more parking, im totally against it.

im sure one day ill see the incorporation of residential into the complex.

It already has 4,000 parking bays. That is more then many larger Sydney Westfields have.

[perthgazer]

i have a soft spot for whitford city as I grew up in Hillarys.

Despite it being a planning abomination, it is alllwayys busy so its no surprise they are expanding.. again.

I hope we don't get the same old though, some of the retail concepts in the eastern states sh*t over what we have here.

[city_thing]

^^ Oh really? Where?

Malls are malls sorry Sean :P

I can't think of anything interesting or striking about any malls here in Aust. They don't come with ice-skating rinks or mini-theme parks...!

[acc521]

QV is inner city "indoor-style" retail done right in my opinion. I would have loved for Century City or Raine Square to have been like this on the retail levels.

[perthgazer]

macquaire centre in sydney has an ice rink

[samboy]

and possibly the worst maze of a car park ever ;). Then again the Bondi Junction one comes pretty close.

[WAuzzie]

bondi is hell easy. just not the 1st time ofcourse.

[Bullswool]

you cut out a melanoma before it grows out of control.

this centre is already packed to the rafters with traffic. unless it involves some serious investment in more parking, im totally against it.

im sure one day ill see the incorporation of residential into the complex.

There are plenty of parking spots at Whitfords, just have to know where to park ;)

[Qbriserth]

macquaire centre in sydney has an ice rink

Whitfords should get something like an ice ring rather than an additional 90 shops; i mean how many shops does it have like now? 180 already? I think they are trying to become the biggest in the west, even though they probably were before Joondalup was getting that way.....

Then again, Hillaries has Pot Black and the marina attractions; mmm the north could do with another ice ring up that way... where is the nearest one these days? Somewhere in Stirling City?

It would boost tourism up that way too.... no more shops in whitfords is needed unless they provide more bus services or a light rail down Marmion.. put more higher density developments there too near the centre none of this low 2 storey townhouses stuff with some mcmansions to the immediate north in Kallaroo. (not that they are too bad) just the eastern side of Marmion could do with a revitalisation....

[Ipggi]

^^ Oh really? Where?

Malls are malls sorry Sean :P

I can't think of anything interesting or striking about any malls here in Aust. They don't come with ice-skating rinks or mini-theme parks...!

What is so special about mini-theme parks or ice-rinks other then being gimmicky? Like it was mentioned Macquaire shopping centre has had a skate rink, as does Erina Fair. The Myer Centre in Adelaide in the 1990s used to have an indoor roller coaster but that flopped. Surely outdoor shopping centres such as Pacific Fair or Warringah Mall also fall into that gimmick boat as well? :P

Whitfords should get something like an ice ring rather than an additional 90 shops; i mean how many shops does it have like now? 180 already? I think they are trying to become the biggest in the west, even though they probably were before Joondalup was getting that way.....

I don't think Westfield would ever introduce an icerink into one of their centres. For them it would be wasted floorspace that would generate more income by leasing to retailers. Below is a list of the larger WA centres near to Whidfords, and then some larger Westfields, interstate. By comparision you can see their WA centres are significantly smaller, and in Westfield's eye under utilised.

Whidfords Westfield : 76,415m2 , 296 retailers, 3,996 spaces
Joondalup (after redevelopment) : over 70,000m2, 240 retailers, 4,400 spaces
Morley Galleria : 72,500m2, 200+ retailers, 4,235 spaces.
Westfield Carousel* : 82,337m2, 270 retailers, 4,300 spaces.

* wa's largest

Westfield Bondi Junction, Nsw : 131,641m2, 509 retailers, 3,304 spaces.
Westfield Chermside, Qld : 123,639m2, 392 retailers, 6,200 spaces.
Westfield Marion, Sa : 130,541m2, 322 retailers, 5,428 spaces.
Westfield Southland, Vic : 132,588m2, 401 retailers, 5,969 spaces.

[ryan79]

Whitfords should get something like an ice ring rather than an additional 90 shops; i mean how many shops does it have like now? 180 already? I think they are trying to become the biggest in the west, even though they probably were before Joondalup was getting that way.....

Then again, Hillaries has Pot Black and the marina attractions; mmm the north could do with another ice ring up that way... where is the nearest one these days? Somewhere in Stirling City?

It would boost tourism up that way too.... no more shops in whitfords is needed unless they provide more bus services or a light rail down Marmion.. put more higher density developments there too near the centre none of this low 2 storey townhouses stuff with some mcmansions to the immediate north in Kallaroo. (not that they are too bad) just the eastern side of Marmion could do with a revitalisation....

Theres only one Ice Skating rink I know of in Perth metro and thats in Cockburn.

The one in Mirrabooka (the one I used to go to for discos as a kid *reflects on youth*) has been closed for a while now.

I heard one was going to open up in Malaga but not sure if it has yet.

[Scraperfan]

My problem is that these big centres are not community centres. There should be skate parks, there should be things like pot black, central parks etc.

Whitford has a library and a senior citizens centre and a tavern which goes someway to being comity focused, but that area just doesnt have a village feel.

I think these places have far reaching social consequences. I mean, if you could bulldoze Whitford City and rebuild it with all these things, an integrated road network plus townhouses and apartments, the entire area would benefit.

[crave]

QV is inner city "indoor-style" retail done right in my opinion. I would have loved for Century City or Raine Square to have been like this on the retail levels.

qv is outrageous and hot.

[Ipggi]

My problem is that these big centres are not community centres. There should be skate parks, there should be things like pot black, central parks etc.

Whitford has a library and a senior citizens centre and a tavern which goes someway to being comity focused, but that area just doesnt have a village feel.

I think these places have far reaching social consequences. I mean, if you could bulldoze Whitford City and rebuild it with all these things, an integrated road network plus townhouses and apartments, the entire area would benefit.

Lol sounds like you want a Rouse Hill

http://greentravel.rhtc.com.au/contentimages/flash/Rouse.mov
http://www.rhtc.com.au/RHTC/storelist.aspx?urlkey=store_directory

[Scraperfan]

http://www.thewest.com.au/getfile.aspx?Type=image&ID=455335&ObjectType=3&ObjectID=224330

Joondalup southern district on market
24th November 2008, 6:00 WST

The Quadrangle, previously known as the Joondalup Southern Business District, is starting to take shape with designs for a training-based enterprise on the drawing board for one lot and a second major lot now available.

LandCorp’s metro north business manager, Juliet Honour, said the Quadrangle represented LandCorp’s last major landholding in Joondalup. It is spending $19 million on preparation of the land, including earthworks, servicing and landscaping.

Comprising 34ha overall, it is 27km north of Perth and bounded by Joondalup Drive to the east, Hodges Drive to the north, Mitchell Freeway and the railway reserve to the west and Eddystone Avenue to the south.

The Quadrangle will include a range of precincts, from offices to commercial and retailing.

“It is very well located, right at the southern entrance to Joondalup,” Ms Honour said.

“There is a good variety of land uses in there and I think it will create a whole business park that does have that amenity value.”

Open space will be incorporated into the project and it is hoped that cafes will be included in some of the bigger developments.

The latest release by LandCorp in the Quadrangle is a 1ha piece of land that is suitable for technology, commercial or office-based businesses.

It is located at Injune Way, next to Joondalup Drive and the Mitchell Freeway.

Tenders close on December 11.

CATHY SAUNDERS

[Dilaz89]

Sounds like more commercial showrooms. Just what Joondalup needs...

[Scraperfan]

this entire site was far more suited to medium density residential purposes. like the city north townhouse area.

[Qbriserth]

What is so special about mini-theme parks or ice-rinks other then being gimmicky? Like it was mentioned Macquaire shopping centre has had a skate rink, as does Erina Fair. The Myer Centre in Adelaide in the 1990s used to have an indoor roller coaster but that flopped. Surely outdoor shopping centres such as Pacific Fair or Warringah Mall also fall into that gimmick boat as well? :P


I don't think Westfield would ever introduce an icerink into one of their centres. For them it would be wasted floorspace that would generate more income by leasing to retailers. Below is a list of the larger WA centres near to Whidfords, and then some larger Westfields, interstate. By comparision you can see their WA centres are significantly smaller, and in Westfield's eye under utilised.

Whidfords Westfield : 76,415m2 , 296 retailers, 3,996 spaces
Joondalup (after redevelopment) : over 70,000m2, 240 retailers, 4,400 spaces
Morley Galleria : 72,500m2, 200+ retailers, 4,235 spaces.
Westfield Carousel* : 82,337m2, 270 retailers, 4,300 spaces.

* wa's largest

Westfield Bondi Junction, Nsw : 131,641m2, 509 retailers, 3,304 spaces.
Westfield Chermside, Qld : 123,639m2, 392 retailers, 6,200 spaces.
Westfield Marion, Sa : 130,541m2, 322 retailers, 5,428 spaces.
Westfield Southland, Vic : 132,588m2, 401 retailers, 5,969 spaces.

Nothing; just though it was one idea; pot black could be better but one at Hillaries is possibly not going to mean another at Whitfords ever....

For Whitfords does that ^^ figure already include the new David Jones said the new store would offer 13,500sqm in retail floor space and be set over two levels. Does this make the Whitfords S/C become 89,915sqm or does the above figure already cover the expansion figure?
http://www.davidjones.com.au/images/corp/pdf/New_&_Refurbished_Stores_25Nov08.pdf

Whitford, Western Australia

Whitford Centre Redevelopment:
Westfield and Dexus are planning a $200 million redevelopment of the Whitford Centre. The redevelopment will include a new David Jones department store, a new mini major and approximately 90 new specialty stores. David Jones will be the only department store in the centre.

The New David Jones Whitford Store:

The new David Jones Whitford Centre store will be a full-line, 13,500 square metre department store set over two levels. The new store is expected to open in early 2012 and is subject to a 25 year lease.

To me it looks like Big W will be scrapped, as that article says it will become the only department store in the centre.... Now unless Big W is just like Target as a discount department store, then I am guessing Big W will be removed from the centre...

Karrinyup, Western Australia

The Karrinyup retail market size is estimated to be in the vicinity of $1.8 billion and is projected to grow to $2.8 billion by 2016. In a comparative context this will align the market size to that of Doncaster Shopping Centre in Melbourne. The region is currently under penetrated and provides enormous growth potential for David Jones.

David Jones currently has a 9,500 square metre store in the Karrinyup centre which is owned 37.5% by Westfield and 62.5% by Unisuper and is managed by AMP. The Karrinyup Shopping Centre is the premier fashion destination in the north Perth region and is the 5th largest centre in Western Australia with MAT of approximately $410 million, attracting around 9 million customers per annum.

David Jones with landlord support will expand into a 13,000-4,000 square metre full line department store subject to all approvals.

Doncarster S/C = 120,000 sqm as below sources state it.... does this mean that Karrinyup would become 120,000sqm?

As according to news articles and below letter Doncaster will become a Mega Centre. I am guessing the journos for the previous articles ^^ are writing about the current size of the current Doncaster and not the future Doncaster???:lol:

Doncaster Mega Mall Article
http://www.theage.com.au/national/butlers-stylists-valets-westfields-600m-mega-mall-has-landed-20081016-527g.html?page=-1

Letter from Westfield Group to ASX.... 120,000sqm Shopping Centre
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20081016/pdf/31cxww617fjs10.pdf

[Ipggi]

No that figure is Whidford's current size. I'd assume David Jones will be a full line store at 13,500sqm PLUS an extra 90 new stores. As Karrinyup DJ is being expanded to a similar size.

“As such, David Jones is significantly underrepresented in a fast growing market and, with landlord support, David Jones will expand Karrinyup into a full-line, 13-14000sqm store, subject to approval,” he said. http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=3&ContentID=109908

Karrinyup is small, under 57,000sqm at the moment. (http://www.ampcapital.com.au/corporatecentre/shoppingcentres/karrinyupshoppingcentre.asp)

Big-W, Target and KMart are always categorised together and are never usually grouped together with 'department stores' such as Myer or DJ.

[Dilaz89]

so Carousel will lose its title as biggest for now?

[ryan79]

I'm surprised Karrinyup hasn't had a major overhaul. Its ugly as fuck and tiny for such an area with a lot of high incomes.

[Ipggi]

I'm surprised Karrinyup hasn't had a major overhaul. Its ugly as fuck and tiny for such an area with a lot of high incomes.

It's those lovely WAPC rules again ..

[Scraperfan]

^^ again, if they allowed residential apartments on the site as well as offices, a masive upgrade would be appealing to the owners. i believe the very future of the fabric of perth lies with turning the shopping centres into new town centres with community uses, residential, apartments and activated edges with new mainstreets, where the fields of cr parks are currently.

i was there on tuesday, had to pick some shorts up cos my local didnt have my size. half the interior looks fantastic from the last upgrade, but the exterior needs a massive overhaul, it looks like it could fall down. probably the most deteriorated ive seen in perth.

half the interior needs refurbishing. new floor tiles are a must at the bigw end and the south end is looking very tired.

love the views from around there.

[Auxodium]

im wondering why DJ's picked crappy Whitfords over a crappy Joondalup... Joondalup is less crappy than Whitfords...

[Urbania]

^^
Because the income level around Whitfords is higher than Joondalup. DJ's is more upmarket than Myer or Target...

[Auxodium]

well that would be understandable if based on those facts :)

[PerthCity]

I'm surprised Karrinyup hasn't had a major overhaul. Its ugly as fuck and tiny for such an area with a lot of high incomes.

I'd say it's the only centre that isn't ugly as fuck in Perth. If you want a cheap and ugly Westfield then go out to Cannington ryan.

In any case, the last major upgrade was only 10 years ago. It could probably last another 10.

[ryan79]

On the outside, its clearly ugly.

The interior is quite good, probably best in Perth.

Welcome back :)

[Auxodium]

but WAPC laws baffle me how they state in law that these places have to be surrounded by a sea of parking and not hidden and more land utilised for shopping or other purposes? *shakes head*

welcome back perthcity :P

[Scraperfan]

i read a report that said the population levels in and around joondalup wont be ready to support a department store for another 5 years, thats why it hasnt been included in the current redevelopment.

whitfords on the other hand has had department store plans for at least 3-5 years.

myer at joondalup could be ok, just not as prestigeous as david jones. the suburbs around whitfords arent even in joondalup city centres cathment zone, i think the official city boundaries are ridiculous, extends all the way south to warwick, so the city centre is actually at the very north boundary.

[WAuzzie]

where does garden city come in?

[Auxodium]

clearly not in this thread :lol:


well that makes kind of sense SF

[Ipggi]

the suburbs around whitfords arent even in joondalup city centres cathment zone, i think the official city boundaries are ridiculous, extends all the way south to warwick, so the city centre is actually at the very north boundary.

The current situation is so ridiculous .. where the nearest department stores are in Karrinyup or Morley. There is what 350,000(?) in the LGA of Swan, Wanneroo and Joondalup but not a single major department store?! Compared to say the ACT with a similar population, has 3 Myers and 2 David Jones.

[Skyline Art]

^^ again, if they allowed residential apartments on the site as well as offices, a masive upgrade would be appealing to the owners. i believe the very future of the fabric of perth lies with turning the shopping centres into new town centres with community uses, residential, apartments and activated edges with new mainstreets, where the fields of cr parks are currently.

love the views from around there.

It's those lovely WAPC rules again ..


:lol: the owners of Kingsway have fought WAPC and MRWA before about a mixed use development of residential, a new discount department store and another supermarket plus village style shops, a cinema and offices but WAPC and MRWA knocked it back..... (and I am sure I posted this issue with a map and pictures somewhere earlier this year...)

Alas MRWA knocked it back due to part of the development plans being inside the road widening reservation for the upgrade of Wanneroo Road and Hepburn Avenue, with provision of a overpass over Wanneroo Road and off ramps....
DPI knocked it back over density issues and height limits etc...

the city of ?? i forget was also involved... um the plan was to have up to 7 story residential buildings on it. Again WAPC rules............:nuts:

I think some people in DPI wanted it to be approved based on a revision to include a bus terminal station for a east west route from the train station with bus lanes down Hepburn... but that was up to MRWA and the PTA or something.....

[Auxodium]

City of Wanneroo are a strange mob, Kingsway is in their council... Mayor Kelly is a twit

[Dilaz89]

The kingsway saga goes far, far beyond the Wanneroo council.

[Scraperfan]

i thought it was now all approved though?

i swear i read a community news article saying it was all going ahead.

[jackso]

I'm surprised Karrinyup hasn't had a major overhaul. Its ugly as fuck and tiny for such an area with a lot of high incomes.


Ok so the outside of Karrinyup is ugly, but it has the best interioir of any shopping centre in WA hands down.

[aaronaugi1]

Ok so the outside of Karrinyup is ugly, but it has the best interioir of any shopping centre in WA hands down.

i'll despute that.

[ryan79]

Ok so the outside of Karrinyup is ugly, but it has the best interioir of any shopping centre in WA hands down.

Agree.

I guess I think the exterior should match the interior now.

[andrewM]

^^ again, if they allowed residential apartments on the site as well as offices, a masive upgrade would be appealing to the owners. i believe the very future of the fabric of perth lies with turning the shopping centres into new town centres with community uses, residential, apartments and activated edges with new mainstreets, where the fields of cr parks are currently.

i was there on tuesday, had to pick some shorts up cos my local didnt have my size. half the interior looks fantastic from the last upgrade, but the exterior needs a massive overhaul, it looks like it could fall down. probably the most deteriorated ive seen in perth.

half the interior needs refurbishing. new floor tiles are a must at the bigw end and the south end is looking very tired.

love the views from around there.
Brilliant thought! turn the UAF things into something welcoming rather than intimidating

[Blindfold]

DJ's opening at Whitford's. Interesting. Whatever happened to Myer opening at Joondalup Lakeside? Or did I just imagine/dream that?

[Sanj]

hey mate, just for future reference this is the update thread, so really only info, articles etc to be on here. all discussion on the other thread.

[Auxodium]

DJ's opening at Whitford's. Interesting. Whatever happened to Myer opening at Joondalup Lakeside? Or did I just imagine/dream that?

Myer and DJ's stated that the joondalup clientelle region did not suit the store images

[RocStar]

And in true Aux style..oh wait

[Scraperfan]

ive never heard that aux. its always been a population density thing.

myer will open in joondalup within 3-5 years. they already have the 1st and 2nd floor entrances prepared in the new extensions.

[Ipggi]

I don't think Joondalup really had a chance for DJ. They have a strong and long relationship with Westfield, while having no existing relationship with ING Management who deal with Joondalup. (http://www.ingrealestate.com.au/au_en/investing/unlisted_property_trusts/retail_property_trusts/ing_retail_property_fund_australia/)

[Auxodium]

Myer and DJ's had a spat with Mayor Carlos at the time... hence i semi quoted the 2 department chains' comments on why they dont have a store there

[vinny06]

I think the layout now of Lakeside Joondalup is bad. It doesn't flow and there is only half the area on the second floor.

[Scraperfan]

they totally fucked it up.

the dead ends with the spermarket and big w at either end is shit, they should have had northern entries to the street there.

the multi deck car park is abhorrid.

[perthgazer]

its so boring, its the EXACT same shops as every other shopping centre in perth.

bland bland white and glass, not even a fountain in sight.

[Scraperfan]

its tried to be fancy but in such a cheap way, lol if that makes sense.

it reminds me of some sort of ikea shopping centre that you just assemble all the parts from a production line.

it looks great at night, with the coloured illuminated tents and the fly tower that changes colour. its a massive failure and unfortunately this is only going to be apparent in about 5 years when shit has to be fixed and redeveloped again.

the repainting of the old building is alright. an improvement, but the carpark layout is a nightmare.

anywaym the whole idea of having a massive shoopping centre in a city is ridiculous, the land should never have been zoned for shooping centre, there should be an extension of the city grid all over this site.

[Qbriserth]

its so boring, its the EXACT same shops as every other shopping centre in perth.

bland bland white and glass, not even a fountain in sight.

yeah pretty boring stuff, the only good thing i noticed about this is down near the lifts near the cinema... there is a light that changes colour when you look at it... in the exterior part of the building, but it would have been better outside near the road....

[PerthCity]

The supermarket on the first floor is stupid. And it takes ages to actually get to it and Big W from the existing area of the complex. I can see they've tried to centre everything around the train station, but it should have been planned better in the first place. They need a new roof in the existing area so people aren't blinded by the light too.

But I do like what that sisters IGA stocks. A little bit above the average supermarket.

[Auxodium]

they totally fucked it up.

the dead ends with the spermarket and big w at either end is shit, they should have had northern entries to the street there.

the multi deck car park is abhorrid.

they fucked up alright... by simply not FOLLOWING THE JOONDALUP MASTERPLAN that has been around for nearly FIFTEEN YEARS!!! lol

now the multi level carpark greets people... lol planning done joondalup style... mish mash and all at the whim of the developer who wants to make the big bucks...

[Ipggi]

anywaym the whole idea of having a massive shoopping centre in a city is ridiculous

Lol they are quite common and often successful in other parts of the country, even in the capital city CBDs.

[acc521]

^^Yes. I've seen many examples of it done right and having no negative impact on the high streets that its entrances are located on. Usually integrated into the bottom few floors of one or multiple high rise buildings.

[samboy]

Melbourne Central is a good example

[Auxodium]

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[Dilaz89]

tragic.

[PerthCity]

Why? One of the few shopping centres I can think of that is wanting to incorporate some outdoor activity.

[Auxodium]

no... if you read what it could of been like if they followed the darn Joondalup Development Council masterplan for the centre instead of this abortion you would agree with me and dilaz...


it is a horrible wound to the Joondalup centre....

[Ipggi]

no... if you read what it could of been like if they followed the darn Joondalup Development Council masterplan for the centre instead of this abortion you would agree with me and dilaz...


it is a horrible wound to the Joondalup centre....

:fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle:

[Auxodium]

but sadly what is done is done and the city of joondalup will have to see this gaping wound forever now so nothing can be done sadly...what a shame...


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[Ipggi]

Well firstly Aux there is still another stage of the shopping centre left to be built, so this structure is not final. But also the rest of Grand Bvl south is just bush anyway. It will be decades before this area is all completely developed to give it a true central city/town feel.

But you Aux keep on harping on and on and on about the failed master plans and what could have been in your eyes. No offense but I am over it. The northern suburbs is nothing but a bogan-ghetto, Lego land anyway so who really cares?

You seem to forget that cities are organic Aux and they take many, many decades to grow and develop. In that time master plans become redundant or irrelevant anyway. Joonalup CBD is new, being only a couple decades old so you can't expect it to be the next Fremantle, Subiaco or Claremont. All of which are old suburbs that also have their own flaws as well as positives.

[Bonga]

What's the story with those electric fans (alongside the shop signage) in Aux's photos? Are they a common feature of new shopping centres? I don't think I've ever seen them installed outdoors like that before...

[Scraperfan]

Firstly, Aux took photos when there were no people around or shops open. Usually in that space, the eateries now have tables and people out in the plaza area. Its a very lively new public space.

The pub there is yet to open, which will also have heaps of seating there and be done up with nice frontage.

All the sand and multideck carpark will be hidden with street frontage shops, a 9 level office building and a Myer department store in 5 years. The site is to be remediated with landscaping in the mean time, so its still a construction site and only a temporary view.

The only thing I disagree with is access. I tried to get from the train station yesterday on Boxing Day, to get to the cinema. The Station Square plaza was all locked up, preventing me accesss from the train station to the cinema.

I had to walk all the way around, which took 10 minutes. Totally inadequate and im lodging official complaints with the City and the Centre about this.

[Auxodium]

Well firstly Aux there is still another stage of the shopping centre left to be built, so this structure is not final. But also the rest of Grand Bvl south is just bush anyway. It will be decades before this area is all completely developed to give it a true central city/town feel.

But you Aux keep on harping on and on and on about the failed master plans and what could have been in your eyes. No offense but I am over it. The northern suburbs is nothing but a bogan-ghetto, Lego land anyway so who really cares?

You seem to forget that cities are organic Aux and they take many, many decades to grow and develop. In that time master plans become redundant or irrelevant anyway. Joonalup CBD is new, being only a couple decades old so you can't expect it to be the next Fremantle, Subiaco or Claremont. All of which are old suburbs that also have their own flaws as well as positives.

you are over it because development like this kills of any chance of a city to be organic...

i am aware of the staged abortion development that will follow and i think that the multi level carpark should of been on the western side of the centre and the east should be more geared for a more city feel... not another side of a shopping centre that doesnt interact with the CBD except for the Boas avenue frontage...

[urbanwriter]

I love that the banner says "celebrating 10 years" in that pic.
I sent it to my mate in PR at Joondalup with the message "yes, I can see what you're celebrating". lol

[repi]

1. 'Could have', not 'could of'.
2. Do you mean abomination? I don't think 'abortion' is the right word.