http://www.brookfieldmultiplex.com/commercial/projects/property-details/932/Bishops-See-Stage-2-Perth

old thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=46541

Address: 239 St George's Terrace, PERTH W.A 6000


Current Proposal:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3690/image005wo9.jpg


old proposal:

Old, old proposal (Proposed Late 80's):
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8514/178828ss4.jpg

Future231 (Early 00's Proposal, Aimed at no one in particular):
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8717/bishopssee2bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (27level, 2004, Aimed at no one in particular, Submitted with original DA for stage 1 which is now Topped Out):
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2304/bishop8ov.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (40 level, Late 2007, Aimed at BHP as a 2nd option to City Square, No DA submitted, realistically it was never going to happen):
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1560/bshops1jl0.jpg

Bishops See (35 level, Early 2008, Aimed at State Govt as anchor with a significant amount of extra floor space to be built specutively):
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4654/bsstt5.jpg


Details
* Sector Commercial
* Value $538.00 million
* Developer Brookfield Multiplex
* Start date June 2008
* Completion date June 2012
* Net Lettable area 40,000 sqm
* Stage Proposed

07/10/2008
1-9 Mount Street PERTH WA 6000
Construction of office tower stage 2 Bishops See (lot 56 and part lot 57)
$30,000,000.00 DA 2008/2299



http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=101974

Government move to new city offices collapses
10th October 2008, 6:00 WST

The State Government is looking for a new home for its departments of Premier and Cabinet and Treasury and Finance after negotiations for their new city offices collapsed yesterday.

The departments were negotiating to move into the $450 million 27-storey Bishops See development in St Georges Terrace when their leases expire in 2012 in the neighbouring Governor Stirling Tower.

The West Australian understands joint-venture partners Brookfield Multiplex and developer Hawaiian withdrew their offer to develop the building for the Government after both sides failed to reach agreement on rents and configuration of office space. It is believed the developers wanted upwards of $700/sqm for space in the 46,000sqm project.

That compares with rentals of $315/sqm in the 1980s-built Governor Stirling Tower, which could face demolition as owner Colonial First State looks to redevelop the prime St Georges Terrace site.

A Colonial spokesman said last night it was actively investigating redevelopment opportunities for the site.

The collapse of negotiations comes amid unprecedented demand for office space, sparked by the State’s booming economy, and exposes the Government to the vagaries of the commercial property market in which rents have soared to world-record levels nearing $1000/sqm.

With the two government departments requiring a combined 30,000sqm of office space, a move to another site could leave the Government facing a massive rent bill.

While some industry analysts forecast that rents will fall as the economy slows because of the global financial crisis and new office buildings are opened, supply of office space and rents could tighten if the crisis forces developers to postpone projects because of funding difficulties.

Just days ago, the ill-fated second stage of the Capital Square project in central Perth was shelved. Developer Saville and Babcock & Brown put the one-hectare site on the market for an estimated $50 million to $80 million.

Colin Barnett said yesterday he recognised concerns that the Government would be exposed to rising rents but said his preference would be for the departments to stay in the city and alternative options needed to be investigated. “Obviously it is a problem if the Government hasn’t got accommodation in four years time,” the Premier said. “It may be that (the current) building stays for longer and this lease is extended.”

A Brookfield Multiplex spokeswoman said yesterday that although some of its workforce had been stood down because early works on the site had finished, the development would go ahead when new tenants were secured.


Latest Update

Just for the hell of it, here are a few pics...

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1926.jpg

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1927.jpg

There are no alternatives for the government unless Colonial wants to forgo redevelopment opportunities for governor stirling. If they're only getting $315 per sqm of rent in this market, they are clearly missing out.

OP should have pics of the actual south building :P

I'd say they'll probably bump it up to 600-700 when the lease is up and extend by a few years until the state govt sorts themselves out. Unfortunately that's the worse scenario for Perth's skyline but it is what it is.

I can't believe how stupid the State Govt is. They don't want to commit to $700 rents in a new building, so instead they'll commit to nothing, and end up paying $700 rents for their current accomodation in Gov Stirling Tower. And probably stay there for the next 15 years.

or be forced to pay $1200 a sq/m when they find theres no space left. gv stirling are in no obligation to renew their lease.

Governor Stirling does not cater for the 30,000 square meters the government need. They only occupy half the building atm.

Maybe it's all just a stunt so they can say they looked around, tried to get out of it and they were forced to pay the higher rents due to a lack of alternatives

In the early 1990s, when the Supreme Court ran out of space, some of the Supreme Court was moved to office space in the AXA/Home/BoQ building (111 St Georges Tce). This was a 'temporary measure' until a permanent expansion of the SC building could be completed.

18 years later, half the SC is still in that office block, and the government has paid many times more in rent for that office space than it would have cost to expand and completely refurbish the SC building. PLUS it costs a fortune in operating inefficiencies. :bash:

Looks like they have started the external paint job on it today. The roof feature, wingy thing nearest the freeway is now a dark grey colour.

why does the West keep speculating that the G.S.T will be demolished? who owns that building?

^^
Read First post "That compares with rentals of $315/sqm in the 1980s-built Governor Stirling Tower, which could face demolition as owner Colonial First State looks to redevelop the prime St Georges Terrace site."

ah true prolly the first evidence from them, but if they do i just hope they dont have a smaller development... would be a waste of time if they poull it down like that

i think it's a load of crap. i just don't understand how anyone could justify demolishing a building of that size in perth, given the current office vacancy rate.

The general vacancy rate can be misleading as it doesn't take into account the grade of the areas available. The vacancy rate of premium grade office space is much lower, whilst there is much more lower grade (i.e. older) space available.

Also, GST is in a prime position and may yeild a better return if redeveloped.

Gov stirling is B grade atm. Last I heard they wanted to knock down the small building and double the size of the tower.

Gov stirling is B grade atm. Last I heard they wanted to knock down the small building and double the size of the tower.


ah yes, brings back memories of condor.

ah yes, brings back memories of condor.

but the difference would be that condor is a rather small company that is constructing that compared to a possible larger company doing GST

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5742/p1020382copyii4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I want to know whats going to happen with the rest of the site! stat!

Looks much better with the black.

:>

that's noice. why'sit taking so long?!

needs more black.

With Combank owning both BankWest and Colonial, It's a shame they couldn't consolidate both into Raine Square.

22/10/2008 235 St Georges Terrace
PERTH WA 6000
illuminated sign 'KPMG' 14,000.00 SIGNDA 2008/6566

$14,000 sounds pretty cheap, i hope they dont stinge out and only do one sign, i hope theyve got one on at least the south and west sides.

probably just a sign with a fluro light behind it, I would think your looking at 100k+ for a decent sized neon

stingey accountants

Isnt macquarie moving there as well?

Their signange would have been much nicer

Or even mutiplexes

is there any cafe/retail space on the ground floor?

Mutiplexes website lists the building under the sectors of commercial and retail, so i would assume so.

KPMG Illuminated Signage At Night

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/kpmgsignage.jpg

Taken from:
http://image58.webshots.com/58/6/4/72/2918604720077551640JeAPZx_ph.jpg

Not perth, this looks tacky...
perhaps it was just a phone cam shot and the letters aren't that bright as they should be...

It's alright. A big 4, international accounting firm with signage - fine by me. I just wish the CoP approved the HSBC one...

I like the black, and the reflectiveness....

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5655/dscf3449bt8.jpg

Pfff KPMG are being pussies (even when im a budding accountant with them as a desired employer lol)

But look at old Freshie in Melbourne and what PWC did with it (Crave is gonna blow his load but anyways).

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3701/imgp0610di8.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp0610di8.jpg)http://img221.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Crave stalks one of the guys that lives in Freshwater Tower (the tower with the F on it in the picture above).

I love Macquarie's logo, it would be awesome up in lights.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00QyfNp6dv0fJ/610x.jpg

They probably can't afford signage at the moment though, seeing as they paid for a lot of McMansions in the US.

:lol: and that was not just the photo being squashed... they squashed all the writting in small,

I guess if they went smaller to space the font out no one could read it, if they went to have a two line banner and bigger letters spaced out it would have possibly blocked out workers windows.

If they went right across the building frame then it would have been better :lol:
I think they were trying to be tricky and did that on purpose ^^

The details have really brought this building together. It's really quite nice. I hope the North Tower comes through.

Looks better with the grey fins but would look better black, and still some protective film to come off; even so the building's just good as filler.

<img src="http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8522/dsc00722nk8.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

<img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4990/dsc00723og7.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

<img src="http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1995/dsc00724se6.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Mound of sand where tower 2 would go

<img src="http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5241/dsc00725vy8.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

<img src="http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4535/dsc00726ja7.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

<img src="http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/294/dsc00727lg5.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Might look a bit better after cleaning

<img src="http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9388/dsc00728cl7.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

<img src="http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5066/dsc00729hq6.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Garden behind the adjacent St Georges Square, probably will be a pleasant area when Bishops See is finished and all the public spaces connected and opened up.

<img src="http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8176/dsc00730ig9.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Eastern side of the building

<img src="http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7623/dsc00731mi0.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Eastern side of the building

<img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7233/dsc00732tr2.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Im sure we will see something in the Bishops 2 place eventually. Hopefully bigger than this and a little more exciting. Time will tell.

it's very similar to this development. on tha northern tower, i wish they would try using different glass colours. note tha podium facade with tha jagged look and use of different colours in glass panels... hawtness.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/2008820005largegl4.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/20080409032largeqi3.jpg

The three things I think will make a huge difference to this from now on are the fins which look much better paint, the protective covering (looks like it's stainless steel under them) and the fact that the windows are filthy.

plus the signage

so what is actually happening with the second tower?

^^ look at the article in the first post, it explains to the best of our knowledge.

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1080.pdf

ITEM NO: 4

1-9 (LOT 56) MOUNT STREET, PERTH - PROPOSED 25 LEVEL
OFFICE DEVELOPMENT WITH GROUND FLOOR CAFÉ AND 140
CAR PARKING BAYS (BISHOPS SEE - STAGE TWO)
RECOMMENDATION: (APPROVAL)

LANDOWNER: Perth Diocesan Trustees of the Church Office
APPLICANT: Town Planning Group
ZONING: (MRS Zone) Central City Area
(City Planning Scheme Precinct) St Georges (P6)
(City Planning Scheme Use Area) City Centre
(Special Control Area) 225-239 St Georges Terrace
(Bishops See)
APPROXIMATE COST: $30 Million

DETAILS:
Approval is sought for a modified design to the second stage office tower at the
Bishops See site (Lot 56). The revised design for the 25 level office tower, with a
ground floor café and 140 car parking bays, specifically addresses the requirements
of the intended major tenant (Department of the Premier and Cabinet) including
security considerations. Details of the proposed development include:-

Basement Levels - Five basement levels linking into the basements of the stage one
office building will be accessed via a vehicle crossover from Spring Street. An
additional level of parking will be provided and accessed via a separate and secure
vehicle crossover from Spring Street. This upper basement level will also
accommodate tenant gym facilities and secure bicycle parking and end of trip
facilities.

Pedestrian access is provided to the building via a plaza area between the building
and St Georges House fronting St Georges Terrace. The ground floor will
accommodate two separate lobbies with central core services. A café tenancy with
an external dining area will also be provided on this level.

Office levels - Levels one and 20 will accommodate plant services for the building
with the remaining 18 levels each with an office floor plate of approximately 2,038m².


Development Standard
Building Height
- Mount Street: No podium proposed 98.2 metres


Design Advisory Committee:

In response to the Design Advisory Committee’s advice the applicant has submitted
an additional plan of the ground floor level with particular details of the area between
the proposed building and St Georges House. The plan indicates that the entry plaza
off Mount Street will be graded up to the entry level of the building. A red brick
retaining plinth is proposed adjacent to St Georges House with integrated seating
and a glazed wall which will provide a separation between the differences in levels
from the subject site and St Georges House. An indicative concept has been
illustrated for the external courtyard areas of St Georges House. The applicant has
indicated the potential use of St Georges House as a boutique food and wine bar
with external courtyard dining areas. Due to the heritage significance of this building
any approval should be conditioned to exclude this scope of works from this
application.

omg under 100m!!!

Thank god this is not going ahead! I hope they wait for the next cycle.

it was 107m from spring street...

build it. i cant wait for cycles. my life aint long enough. gimme anything!

How big is woodside/qv1 in comparison?

Woodside = 137m
QV1 = 163m

98m on this site is simply pathetic.

it's not pathetic...

100m is decent. density is all rage atm...

i'm actually more comfortable with seeing a steady number of stumps in perth popping up here and there... it's tha smaller stumps in tha 100-120m mark that should shape tha look of perth... tha tallies will become a bonus...

Approved by planning committee tonight.

any renders?

does it have the same facade treatment that we have seen?

After Woodside was so dissapointingly small I was hoping for this to be bigger though. Was such a great site for something bigger I think. Certainly not complaining about the density building up at that end of the city at all. Pathetic was too strong a word. Disappointing is more appropriate.

Approved by planning committee tonight.

Nice, oh well can't complain if it is just under 100m at least it isn't less than 70m then it would be a big disappointment. I guess they want to be lower than Woodside to keep the otherside of the road happy with their views... Hopefully thought the land across the road won't get anything this sized either though. The Terrace needs to move away from having all the tall stuff on just the North side of that street....

Hopefully this starts rising early next year.... :banana:

well DPC isnt moving in anyway right? so even if another tenant signs up i would expect another design having to take place.

the views of woodside will have had nothing to do with it. i think the height will fit with the character of the area. im strangely not disappiointed in the slightest, quite like the idea of having woodside poking up at the back.

i agree with scraper..

i think a general slope from larger to smaller towers towards the river is looking great and not a bad thing is this sorta thing continues. this way we get more to see, no buildings get blocked hence looks more photo-productive esp from kp.

A long way down from what was originally proposed by Lord McAlpine's company back in the mid 80's when it supposed to be about 60 stories. Oh well.

The nice thing is, it'll add density and it will only encourage more highrises behind the terrace, and then the density will really start to kick in, particularly in the next cycle for the world let alone Perth.....whenever that may be!

Going by the history behind this, I give it less than a 50% chance of progressing. Hawaiian can't seem to buy a lease for this. They had the fish in the bag and it got away. Who knows why? How long have there been proposals for this site? 3-5 years? BHP got away from them, Woodside got away on their own anyway, the State Gov has gone cold and all this in a 0% vacancy market but with a cloud overhead called the "credit crunch".

yeah moot point on the height aspect. That was probably based on the state govt requirement which no longer exists. I'm sure it will be revised if/when someone else comes along (knowing Perth it will be revised downwards).

I had an interesting conversation with someone in the building industry the other day and acording to them Bishop 2's demise was the inability of Multiplex to secure funds and not the state govt. It didn't make too much sense to me knowing what we know here but I didn't argue the point.

"securing funds" - maybe that can be used as a cop out to shift cause or blame?

Anyway, Multiplex would have more on the line with BHP, if this was the reason for Bishop's 2 demise. So in that regards, I guess it's more feasible but I think needs to be consider like a grain of sand :).

any renders?

does it have the same facade treatment that we have seen?

Totally new look. It's just a glass box with a bit of silver-looking trimming (not an architect darlings, you'll have to cope with my description) that kind of divides the structure into noughts-and-crosses style rectangle (portrait) boxes on all sides. It looks quite stunning... but so do the renders of Bishop's See One, which, as it turns out, looks like a black box flight recorder.

Totally new look. It's just a glass box with a bit of silver-looking trimming (not an architect darlings, you'll have to cope with my description) that kind of divides the structure into noughts-and-crosses style rectangle (portrait) boxes on all sides. It looks quite stunning... but so do the renders of Bishop's See One, which, as it turns out, looks like a black box flight recorder.

Sounds ok.

I wouldnt mind reduced height in this if we have a better design.
Atm we are getting far too many plain glass boxes for perth.

Is the silver trimming a large part of the design or a small part.
Silver sounds good, and has not been utilised yet in Perth.

Sounds ok.

I wouldnt mind reduced height in this if we have a better design.
Atm we are getting far too many plain glass boxes for perth.

Is the silver trimming a large part of the design or a small part.
Silver sounds good, and has not been utilised yet in Perth.

They're quite thin and attractive lines. I quite like the building. But it is very plain, over all. I'm worried it will be black glass tho. Hard to tell from render but it looks very very similar to tower one, colour-wise.

Surely Central Park is considered silver? Anyway... silver looks snazzy.

I'm a bit devo it will pretty comprehensively block the view of QV1 from the freeway.

Bearing in mind this is all "if it ever gets built". I'm pretty certain this is just a matter of having a scheme on the table rather than a "we're going to build this" thing. Perhaps someone here knows more than me?

Sighs to QV1's blockage, but at least those three Capital Square horrors aren't being built.

They're quite thin and attractive lines. I quite like the building. But it is very plain, over all. I'm worried it will be black glass tho. Hard to tell from render but it looks very very similar to tower one, colour-wise.

Surely Central Park is considered silver? Anyway... silver looks snazzy.

I'm a bit devo it will pretty comprehensively block the view of QV1 from the freeway.

Bearing in mind this is all "if it ever gets built". I'm pretty certain this is just a matter of having a scheme on the table rather than a "we're going to build this" thing. Perhaps someone here knows more than me?

so wheres this render big guy? obviously you havent been able to get a copy...so im not really liking my chances of getting a sneaky photo of it!

so wheres this render big guy? obviously you havent been able to get a copy...so im not really liking my chances of getting a sneaky photo of it!

You really think Multiplex are going to release it?
I normally have a sneaky way of getting renders without permission but on this occasion, I don't.
There is one in the agenda tho... hang on, with send it to the boys to post. I can't do it from here.

oh, look what i found

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1559/image000jj4.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3690/image005wo9.jpg

Hehe it's muted into the design of the first low rise.

this city is going from bad to worse.

what the fuck? seriously.

why propose something completely inspirational and then replace it with a pile of shit design?

im gutted. i hate it.

oh my. talk about perth's propensity to numb things down. yay. tha system works.. haha.

umm. i guess it's contemporary... nice filler.

eeep.

This and Dynons are really making the West end of the Terrace inspirational. Perth is just so... well Perth.

Mark my words. In 2025 Perth will be "on the cusp of big changes" and "ready to grow up". Just like it was in 2005, just like it was in 1985.

this is fucking bullshit. i cant stay on the forum today any longer because of this.

perth is such a fucked up place. fuck this.

Please, get a grip.

It's not "inspirational", but it's not bad.

And it's just a scheme... we don't know anything is going to get built at all.

^^Re "inspirational" you know exactly what I mean. It is bad - it's a plain, boring box that doesn't have the slightest big of creativity or thought put into it. On it's own, fine but when this kind of boring design is put forth time and time again it gets tiring.

Hehe Hatch. HONEY PUH-LEASE!

But really, it is pretty crummy lookin', especially compared to the potential awesome that came before. Let's all sing the downturn song~!

I'm not sure I'm understanding the drama. I thought this was canned?

thank god this probably wont go ahead.


pathetic design.

... it's not a nice as previous renders, and its certainly not a patch on Raine Sq or 140 William. But it aint ugly. Just build it I say.

Anyways, this purely academic. Barney pulled the plug on this building weeks ago!

Gah, you're seeing really bad images of photos taken on a mobile phone of renders printed on a colour photocopier... they're bad images. Clearly. Perhaps you'd hate it less if you saw the glossy render. Anyway... not my job to defend it or deride it. I don't find it offensive.

oh, look what i found

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1559/image000jj4.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3690/image005wo9.jpg

I like it better than the original design(s).

At least it's getting built. I was under the same impression as Samboy.

^^ I doubt this will be built :)

Going by the history behind this, I give it less than a 50% chance of progressing. Hawaiian can't seem to buy a lease for this. They had the fish in the bag and it got away. Who knows why? How long have there been proposals for this site? 3-5 years? BHP got away from them, Woodside got away on their own anyway, the State Gov has gone cold and all this in a 0% vacancy market but with a cloud overhead called the "credit crunch".

goes to ask why they have been so incompetant?

as for the design... it belongs elsewhere in the city or in Joondalup etc... I doubt this will get up... they may as well wait for when the market is 'better'

Its ok. If it has lots of glass then it's aloud to be boring :)

some how i am wishing this gets built in say east perth or west perth or dare i say it Joondalup's cbd

at what point can we remove the south tower from the title?

22/10/2008 235 St Georges Terrace
PERTH WA 6000
illuminated sign 'KPMG' 14,000.00 SIGNDA 2008/6566
http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/imgp1331.jpg
(taken from inside a bus)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3089036255_c1771b9b74_o.jpg




loveeeee the top roof thingy the colors ..

any chance of getting this photo without the color filter?

its hard to tell what you are referring to by the colours, i see something in the middle but nothing definite.

at what point can we remove the south tower from the title?

when it is complete, the same as Condor, peak and saffron, right now they are all topped out but they are not complete... so they stay for now.

edit:

you can just see the signage going up...

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3928/p1020817copydi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

who got the signage to it?

picture of the back of it haha
http://i41.tinypic.com/zmi72f.jpg

KPMG have signage. The G is going up today to complete the sign.

12/01/2009 78 Mounts Bay Road
PERTH WA 6000
Use of Bishops house as
a restaurant. Amenities
building and vehicle
access to Bishops house
from Spring Street.
90,000.00 DA 2009/2002

Thats good news! But v pricey no doubt

this is a joke. the only buildings perth builds are so small and waste of space. why cant perth build something at least 150m+ for all buildings.

the bloody govenment are so stubborn and don't even care about the peoples opinions on how perth needs to improve.

seriously perth's city is a joke and if perth doesn't improve in the next 5yrs then may as well move to different city instead of always complaining and missing out on good stuff.

we all feel the same frustration, but to be fair, theres a fair few tallies coming. just have some more patience, they have begun to rise. 12 more months and we will see some things that are tangible.

i hope so!

this is a joke. the only buildings perth builds are so small and waste of space. why cant perth build something at least 150m+ for all buildings.

the bloody govenment are so stubborn and don't even care about the peoples opinions on how perth needs to improve.

seriously perth's city is a joke and if perth doesn't improve in the next 5yrs then may as well move to different city instead of always complaining and missing out on good stuff.


im all for JUSTIFIED criticism of the government, but in all honesty what on earth does the fact that this tower could and probably should have been taller have to do with the government?

im all for JUSTIFIED criticism of the government, but in all honesty what on earth does the fact that this tower could and probably should have been taller have to do with the government?
If all else fails, blame the government, I guess. ;)

im all for JUSTIFIED criticism of the government, but in all honesty what on earth does the fact that this tower could and probably should have been taller have to do with the government?

Maybe he is referring to this?

13th December 2008, 9:00 WST
On Tuesday, the council will consider the 25-storey Bishop’s See Stage Two development, on the corner of Spring and Mount streets, which was originally designed to be the new home of the Department of Premier and Cabinet.

The department was negotiating to move into the proposed building when its lease in Governor Stirling Tower expired in 2012 but developers Brookfield Multiplex and Hawaiian withdrew their offer to develop the building for the Government after both sides failed to reach agreement on rent.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=113025

im all for JUSTIFIED criticism of the government, but in all honesty what on earth does the fact that this tower could and probably should have been taller have to do with the government?


Department of premier and cabinet and departmen of treasury (?) were originally slated to be anchor tennants.

wow, i like the older design way better, but still does that mean they wont be building the second tower now??

who knows ... prob will the new 98m one ...

in 4 years time.

im all for JUSTIFIED criticism of the government, but in all honesty what on earth does the fact that this tower could and probably should have been taller have to do with the government?

yea because doesn't the government approve stuff like building heights and what gets built and what doesn't?
like colin barnett dislikes the whole waterfront plan i think

and just mainly i here that the government is preventing all this developments for all sorts of reasons, its not like in china or somewhere, where once a proposed thing is being wanting to be built, they just build it, no matter how many ppl disagree. in perth, it takes bout 1000 yrs before something is built, and they end up cancelling it.

just recently in the paper, they said they wasted WA's once in a lifetime economic boom.

yea because doesn't the government approve stuff like building heights and what gets built and what doesn't?
like colin barnett dislikes the whole waterfront plan i think
Individual buildings like Bishops See are approved by the council. Much like when you need building approval when building on your vacant block out in the burbs.

The waterfront is in the government hands as they are practically paying for it.

and just mainly i here that the government is preventing all this developments for all sorts of reasons, its not like in china or somewhere, where once a proposed thing is being wanting to be built, they just build it, no matter how many ppl disagree. in perth, it takes bout 1000 yrs before something is built, and they end up cancelling it.
Scroll through the forum and you will eventually catch up to us homies in pure frustration and complete anger at some of the red tape in Perth.

just recently in the paper, they said they wasted WA's once in a lifetime economic boom.
And what will we call this Global Economic Crisis?

14/01/2009 235 St Georges Terrace
PERTH WA 6000
Small Coffee Shop -
Barista Bshop See
146,000.00 BA-HTH 2009/5

14/01/2009 235 St Georges Terrace
PERTH WA 6000
Small Coffee Shop -
Barista Bshop See
146,000.00 BA-HTH 2009/5

better get my resume out

Just for the hell of it, here are a few pics...

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1926.jpg

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1927.jpg

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1928.jpg

Caught this from the northern side - a couple of blokes busy on ropes.

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1929.jpg

http://student.biz.uwa.edu.au/ssc/IMG_1929a.jpg

and if anybody hasnt mentioned it, the KPMG signage has been on for a couple of days now

i seen it last night from south perth, It stands out looking at west end of perth (:

the greatest loss of the recent kill offs i recon.

http://i43.tinypic.com/211qvqq.jpg

wow

looks great from that angle!

what video is that from goron?

sighh:ohno:

is it not going ahead...?

Agreed. This one was a looker.

Nazor the video is from lastpixel.com.au
(an amazing graphics firm, some of the best stuff ive seen, based in Perht i think too)
Its their 2009 sample video. Heaps of other Perht stuff.

Lastpixel Pty Ltd
Suite 5/9 Victoria Avenue
Perth, Western Australia 6000
AUSTRALIA

yeah thought so. They to alot of stuff for nakheel in Dubai.

There fricken brilliant i'll tell you that haha:banana:

wow

looks great from that angle!

what video is that from goron?

gorAn

Yes I agree, Im disappointed this one is not goin ahead! I cant say the same for the project across the road he he he he he !

Trawling through the last 6 pages - i don't see anything that definitively indicates that the North Tower has been canceled. But with no anchor tenant, and Hawaiian being incompetent it has probably been delayed to say the least.

Im not saying its wrong to assume this has been killed off - I'm just saying theres no proof - just hearsay ATM. No?

OK cool nialz if thats true thats good- i guess we'll have ta wait n see, wait n see, n wait...

It's not a matter of being canned. It hasn't. It just won't go ahead without a precommitment. Forward works have already been done so it will go ahead eventually however what's not clear is that when and what it would look like.

It's not a matter of being canned. It hasn't. It just won't go ahead without a precommitment. Forward works have already been done so it will go ahead eventually however what's not clear is that when and what it would look like.

forward works were also completed for where bhp is going now 20 or something years ago :lol:

Yeah exactly. Forward works means crap all really. The site manager for Zenith couldn't even define what it is for me when I asked :lol:

yeplike i said wait n see and wait

guys ... ur all nutz.

this one has been canned. the last pic i posted anyway.

there is a whole new proposal for a way more simple boring and smaller building instead. hence the title .. 98m.

guys ... ur all nutz.

this one has been canned. the last pic i posted anyway.

there is a whole new proposal for a way more simple boring and smaller building instead. hence the title .. 98m.

wait, wat?
im a bit confused with this (not suprising since perth just takes 50 yrs to cycle through crap and go through other crap to get something small done, and end up not doing it).
so wat exactly is happening? the north tower is canned, and they are building a crappier version now?

Do you have renders of the 98meter one?

-EDIT-
For the post below.

yes! the other one was scraped very shortly after premier fukcunt decided not to move into bishops north.

so then the building got scraped, and just recently a new small 98m one went b4 CoP for approval.

Goran you've got the story wrong but I really can't be bothered explaining it again.
ok I can't help it. The recent shorter one that was 'approved' was indeed on the basis that the state govt was going to anchor. It was submitted about 3 days before the news got out about the deal falling through. I'm guessing Multiplex were aware of it however it doesn't hurt having an approval on paper anyway if/wen the time comes.

The initial taller one got scrapped long time ago.

Now that the Barney has decided not to proceed, the building is on hold until another tenant comes along. As I said before, depending on when, who etc, the renders may change again.

That's the last thing I'm going to say about this.

ok thnx guys
so lets just hope some tenants come in soon so we can build this .

i'm going out on a limb and say this won't be a stump.

I know this is a random question for this thread, but it is relevant:
but What kind of company can afford to anchor a stake into the Nth Tower? Surely with the shortage of Office Space out there in Perth, there must be a company or organisation which needs a lot of space and has the $$ to anchor in there.....?

A bank or a mining company perhaps?
Maybe who in the east can be lured to the west to benefit from the boom here?
I would have thought the bigger the company the more space they need = the bigger the building....

well that is one scenario or it could go 'the bigger the company, the more room they need, the less space in the your for other tennants' so its possible it wouldn't result in a taller tower.

Goran you've got the story wrong but I really can't be bothered explaining it again.
ok I can't help it. The recent shorter one that was 'approved' was indeed on the basis that the state govt was going to anchor. It was submitted about 3 days before the news got out about the deal falling through. I'm guessing Multiplex were aware of it however it doesn't hurt having an approval on paper anyway if/wen the time comes.

The initial taller one got scrapped long time ago.

Now that the Barney has decided not to proceed, the building is on hold until another tenant comes along. As I said before, depending on when, who etc, the renders may change again.

That's the last thing I'm going to say about this.

wrong. the office of the premier was gonna anchor the original cool one but didnt and then it fell through.

perthgazer or dilaz back me up here.

I could be wrong - but I thought the Govt was going to anchor the bigger tower. Wasn't there renders of it showing the Govt logo?

why don't you lot just look at the first post, and then maybe read on...

Docker I think your first post is what causes alot of the confusion with this project. The rendes you have there are in no order (date or height wise).

My understanding of the history of the site is basically as follows-

Old, old proposal (Proposed Late 80's):
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8514/178828ss4.jpg

Future231 (Early 00's Proposal, Aimed at no one in particular):
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8717/bishopssee2bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (27level, 2004, Aimed at no one in particular, Submitted with original DA for stage 1 which is now nearing completion):
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2304/bishop8ov.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (40 level, Late 2007, Aimed at BHP as a 2nd option to City Square, No DA submitted, realistically it was never going to happen):
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1560/bshops1jl0.jpg

Bishops See (35 level, Early 2008, Aimed at State Govt as anchor with a significant amount of extra floor space to be built specutively):
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4654/bsstt5.jpg


Current Proposal (25 level, Late 2008, Aimed at State Government as only tenants, No spec floor space added due to credit crunch):
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3690/image005wo9.jpg

tayls is on the money there although future 239 was 2001-2003

^^ but was i right too dilaz? im so confident.... the cool big one was inteneted for the gov and was canceled when the cuntfuk decided he wont go there.

also, the latest one, is it really still and soley intended for the gov??

tayls is right but i thought the governent had confirmed that they wouldnt be anchoring the current proposal, therefore it is not aimed at state government, but they are waiting to find an anchor tennant.

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and here's a picture of what it will look like until they find an anchor tenant ;)

eidt: jackso beat me to it

Docker I think your first post is what causes alot of the confusion with this project. The rendes you have there are in no order (date or height wise).

My understanding of the history of the site is basically as follows-

Old, old proposal (Proposed Late 80's):
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8514/178828ss4.jpg

Future231 (Early 00's Proposal, Aimed at no one in particular):
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8717/bishopssee2bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (27level, 2004, Aimed at no one in particular, Submitted with original DA for stage 1 which is now nearing completion):
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2304/bishop8ov.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (40 level, Late 2007, Aimed at BHP as a 2nd option to City Square, No DA submitted, realistically it was never going to happen):
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1560/bshops1jl0.jpg

Bishops See (35 level, Early 2008, Aimed at State Govt as anchor with a significant amount of extra floor space to be built specutively):
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4654/bsstt5.jpg


Current Proposal (25 level, Late 2008, Aimed at State Government as only tenants, No spec floor space added due to credit crunch):
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3690/image005wo9.jpg

cool, i will use that in the first post :okay:

Samy u r funny LOL! True!

Gee Future231 (239 wotever) was a hot proposal but i think a bit too full on for Perth to be even realisticaly considered as a legit proposal

:dance2: It won’t really matter how many proposals have been submitted, in this current financial climate this site and the one across the road “Emu” will be shelved.

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and here's a picture of what it will look like until they find an anchor tenant ;)

eidt: jackso beat me to it


OMG samboy! u didnt even put the photo in properly! i cant see it! God are u dumb or something? can u put the photo up i wanna see what this new design is like


[/goran]

lol you're a classic mate! I'm just going to crawl back under my rock now.

haha i thought u'd enjoy it

OMG samboy! u didnt even put the photo in properly! i cant see it! God are u dumb or something? can u put the photo up i wanna see what this new design is like


[/goran]

????

????
:lol:

I noticed today that a temporary LED screen has been put up on top of the south tower...

Anyone know what it's about? Is the building opening soon?

I noticed today that a temporary LED screen has been put up on top of the south tower...

Anyone know what it's about? Is the building opening soon?

YES
i saw it illuminated tonight. is it only temporary? could well be permanent advertising space?

I hope so. I cant imagine what it would be for if its temporary.
Unless its something to do with PIAF. I know they are trying to do alot of visual art things.. But unlikely.

Yeah should be opening very soon. Everything's practically complete with a splash of green (or was it blue?) paint for the pavement between north and south building.


Such a shame seeing a massive hole in the ground as you walk through.

Yeah should be opening very soon. Everything's practically complete with a splash of green (or was it blue?) paint for the pavement between north and south building.


Such a shame seeing a massive hole in the ground as you walk through.

Well, Perth has lost its iconic hole in the ground (can you believe they have filled it in and replacing it with the BHP building?), so this is the attempted replacement. Somewhere for the tiger snakes to move, perhaps.

hmmm, I dont think t-Rex will fit in this one...

hmmm, I dont think t-Rex will fit in this one...

Baby T-rex :lol:

the colour screen thing is part of the PIAF, shame, would have cool to be permanent.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9470/image001xy3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i like how freshwater 2 (pwc tennant) has on one side a large cafe/lounge/lcd etc... you'll often see workers lounging about in tha morning for their fix. it's very campus like. i guess this is tha trend they're going for... coup for bs1? i think not... more like coup for le/lamont they'll be raking it in. :p

"let's all go to tha lobby and get ourselves a snack!"

Allendale Square has something very similar too. They do pretty good coffee.

wega machine. I'm guessing they will use Fiori coffee then

^^ I like the wording, "The tiny 20sqm cafe" yes it is tiny for an 18,000sqm building... why not have made it bigger and have some lounge room space to relax inside, people could have a coffee while meeting business partners on the lower level, or is it just more of a pop in grab a coffee or expresso etc and then go upstairs/out afterwards.....

Or does the "associated seating" seperate and not part of the 20sqm cafe, so technically it is bigger?
:)

HEY last night when I was coming home along the freeway I seen that this building has a crazy colourful light display along the top on the western side. It looked pretty coolish!!!

Gabe:
the colour screen thing is part of the PIAF, shame, would have cool to be permanent.

HEY last night when I was coming home along the freeway I seen that this building has a crazy colourful light display along the top on the western side. It looked pretty coolish!!!


Yer, I saw it too. I cant explain it - I could see yellow green and blue from the side of this building when is was driving north on the kwinana, but didnt get a good look at it when i drove past.

Pics somebody please :)

Perth international arts festival.

I think.

Perth international arts festival.

I think.

http://www.perthfestival.com.au/

HEY last night when I was coming home along the freeway I seen that this building has a crazy colourful light display along the top on the western side. It looked pretty coolish!!!

u saw is from the Crawly area? near the bunch of highrises west of Kings Park...
this should be in the discussions thread?

:lol: btt: any updates or pics of construction for the north tower?

^ Yeah it's safe to say that any tower on the North site is dead in the water at the moment. They have sloped a hole towards the south tower and are landscaping it, it looks rubbish because the sheet piling is still exposed, i hope however that when the commericail property sector has supply coming on and credit markets come onto line that this site is the first to get built on.

National Building News Vol 9 No.2

AT A GLANCE
* Project: 235 St Georges Terrace
* Location: Perth
* Developers: Hawaiian; Brookfield Multiplex
* Architect: Fitzpatrick and partners
* Builder: Brookfield Multiplex
* Budget: $160 million
* Completion date: February 2009

Standing tall on Perth's landmark corridor of power, the recently-completed 235 St Georges Terrace tower will provide an unparalleled commercial experience.

The joint venture project between property developer Hawaiian and Brookfield Multiplex, has already drawn big ticket tenants such as KPMG, Macquarie Bank and WorleyParsons.

The nine-level development, which commenced in December 2006, is set amidst the historic Bishops See gardens and offers stunning views of the Swan River and Kings Park.

The tower has already tasted success when it was awarded the first 5 Star Green Star office design rating for a commercial property in Western Australia last year.

"This means our tenants will be the first in Perth to enjoy the Green Building experience, which will include best practice lighting and air conditioning, and go towards ensuring a level of comfort previously not experienced in any office building here in WA," said Stuart Duplock, Hawaiian's general manager of property development.

The rating owes to a raft of innovations incorporated into the tower's design including:
Full height double glazing for windows.

The greywater system, which utilises waste water for toilet flushing, is the first design approved in a commercial building in WA.

High efficiency T5 lighting throughout the building.

Each tenancy will have its own exhaust fan, which will discharge horizontally through weatherproof louvres in the facade.

The building will have an ABGR basebuild commitment rating of 4.5 stars.

Sixty per cent of construction waste was reused or recycled.

Cyclist storage facility, along with tenant showers and lockers, has been provided.

Water meters monitoring usage of all major water outlets.

The podium . level landscaping has a water-efficient sub-soil drip irrigation system.

The fire services system has been designed so that all test water consumed in the day-to-day maintenance operation will be reused through the greywater system.

A dedicated storage area in the basement is available for collection and recycling of office consumables.

Low temperature VAV air-conditioning system, which will significantly reduce fan energy.

Stading Tall?

Huh?

Yeah - thought that was a bit strange too. And they are referring to the 9 story baby brother and not the big unbuilt one.

"corridor of power"

I have never heard that term used before!! haha.

sounds better than 'corridor of holes in the ground'

Such a shame they didn't build the tallie first. Perth.

The Bishops gardens are now open to the public during the day. Entry via south-east corner of KPMG bldg.

What's ever happen to Bishop See North Tower.... Is that off for good or is it on hold? Nasty gap left there.

What's ever happen to Bishop See North Tower.... Is that off for good or is it on hold? Nasty gap left there.

it is Perth dude. yes it will be a gap like Westralia Square

What's ever happen to Bishop See North Tower.... Is that off for good or is it on hold? Nasty gap left there.

When things start to clear up, then we will get news. As things are rooted for a while, no-ones really expecting much from this.

Well everyone loves grass here - so r they at least gonna put some grass there like was on CC site before it was developed

I it stays grass too long there will be people complaining about any future development because everyone will have picnics there.

Yep for sure. I'd pick Bishops See over Kings Park for a picnic any day.

I it stays grass too long there will be people complaining about any future development because everyone will have picnics there.

dinosaurs will move in there and have picnics!

Yep for sure. I'd pick Bishops See over Kings Park for a picnic any day.

Have you tried the Foreshore?


But be quick or you won't get space to sit and have your lunch on that finely mowed grass.

T-Rex is relocating here from westralia square site.

and the much larger broncasaurus (spelling) has moved in next door, to Capital Square

what's with the dinosaurs? i know this was talked about b4 on the BHP site long ago.. but i forgot why

BTW, I it stays grass too long there will be people complaining about any future development because everyone will have picnics there.

what ppl just going to the Bishops gardens? there is some parkland there for some picnics is there not?

We should introduce them. They can have baby dinosaurs who can roam the foreshore.

the bishops 2 site has been landscaped with plants and shrubs. No grass.

Strangely, it has a Spring street address while the KPMG building has retained 239 st georges.

First post in here after a year and a half of sitting dormant.

06/04/2011 "237-239 St Georges Terrace
PERTH WA 6000" FORWARD WORKS - Substructure/Piling - Hotel Refurbishment and new Hotel Wing and Forward Works. 32,875.00 BA-FW 2011/149 Refer 11/1604

06/04/2011 "237-239 St Georges Terrace
PERTH WA 6000" Hotel Refurbishment and new Hotel Wing and Forward Works. 0.00 BA-PRE 2011/1604

Can someone copy todays Oz article over? Thanks!

Do you mean this one Dilaz? I highlighted the relevant part about Bishops See in Blue..... :)


Brookfield set to add tower to City Square in Perth
Bridget Carter From: The Australian April 14, 2011 12:00AM

Australian arm of the Canadian private equity giant Brookfield is in the advanced planning stage of developing another office tower adjoining its $700 million City Square site in Perth.

The plan will transform the project into a twin-tower complex likely to be worth more than $1 billion.

Brookfield's Australian chief operating officer, Kurt Wilkinson, said the site was one of three the company was focusing on. Others were Bishop See North in Perth's CBD and an office tower site on Melbourne's Bourke Street."We have got architects and full consulting teams working up designs and schemes for those sites and we expect to get very active in those sites in the next couple of months," Mr Wilkinson said.

Brookfield bought the site adjoining City Square in October for $25.3m from West Australian property tycoon Ric Stowe.

Speculation at the time was that Brookfield was likely to build a 14-storey office tower.

It is now understood the group plans to build a 15-storey A-grade office tower with about 30,000sq m, to be integrated into City Square as a twin-tower complex.The City Square tower, at 125 St Georges Terrace, has 45 storeys of office and retail space of more than 85,000sq m.

Mining giant BHP Billiton will be its anchor tenant, moving into 60,000sq m of space in June next year. The building will be completed this year.

It was hoped planning approval would be finalised for the second tower and its integration later this year.

"Subject to how that goes, we are targeting tenants (in the second quarter of this year)," Mr Wilkinson said.

Brookfield hopes to revive plans for its skyscraper Bishop See North on St Georges Terrace, a project it planned with Hawaiian Property. The second stage was believed to comprise 46,000sq m of office space.

"We are reviewing that opportunity, but at the moment, we are focused on City Square South Side," Mr Wilkinson said.A feasibility study has been done for the project but Brookfield has yet to seek tenants.

Mr Wilkinson believed tenant demand in Perth was strong because of the booming resources sector.

Brookfield's City Square would be fully leased when it entered the market, he said.

"There is a reasonable level of interest and a very low vacancy rate in Perth at the moment," he said. "We have already been talking about other businesses who are in that sector or who provide a service to that sector. We are just in early discussions."

According to a report released by Jones Lang LaSalle this week, Perth's vacancy rate fell from 7.3 per cent in the December quarter to 5.6 per cent in the March quarter on the strength of the resources sector.

Jones Lang LaSalle's national head of office leasing, Kevin George, said the recovery in Perth had been fast and in line with expectations.

In the March quarter Fortescue Metals, BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and Argyle Diamonds all leased more space. Net absorption --space leased less space vacated -- was 24,600sq m.

"Perth CBD now has the lowest vacancy rate of all Australian capital cities, surpassing Melbourne CBD," Mr George said.

Overall, the country's CBD office vacancy for state capitals fell 50 basis points in the first quarter to 7.4 per cent. Only Canberra recorded a rise in vacancy, up 40 basis points to 12.6 per cent.


Source (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/brookfield-set-to-add-tower-to-city-square-in-perth/story-e6frg9gx-1226038731019)

Where exactly on the site would this second tower sit?

I'm guessing where the giant hole is ;)

Didn't they put some landscaping there?

The landscaping is just around the hole. Not 100% sure.

id hardly call it 'landscaping'.
NearMap - 14th March 2011 (http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-31.953555,115.851222&z=20&t=h&nmd=20110314)

I'm guessing where the giant hole is ;)

I mean't the second City Square Tower. The 2nd Bishops See Tower has been on the cards for a while hasn't it?

^out the front of BHP, front Mounts Bay Road.
and yeah Bishop 2 has been around for awhile now

It wont take long for this to get out of the ground when it eventually does, most the ground works were done at stage 1 and was just filled in with clean fill once stage2 was canned.

So 46,000 Sqm should be around 20-25 floors tall. So it sounds like the same building.

My tip. Brookfield Multiplex will move on the City Square site sooner, perhaps once the effects of Raine Square and BHP are felt on vacancy rates. Bishop See is some time away.

That would be logical. I would rather see the City Square site under construction and have the whole area complete before this.

It'll be over 30st high. Woodside is 45,000sqm over 27 levels with a much larger building footprint. The previous office proposal for the state govt was 20st or around 30,000sqm.

There was that taller proposal for stage 2 which seemed to pop up not long before the project was delayed. That was over 30st.

I remember someone posted a render a couple of years ago.

tha 30st will be in 2020 no doubt...

WABN article today, just reiterating what The Australian article announced last Thursday...

Link (http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/en-story/1/88294/City-Square-100-per-cent-pre-leased)

City Square 100 per cent pre-leased
19-April-11 by Dan Wilkie

Brookfield Office Properties says it is progressing plans to build a new tower adjacent to City Square after it announced Barrick Gold would take up the remaining 5,000 square meters in the office tower currently under construction in the CBD.

Barrick will join anchor tenant BHP Billiton and accounting firm PwC in the City Square Tower.

PwC announced in March it had signed a 10-year agreement to take up 8,500 square metres at City Square, vacating 5,000sqm at QV1.

Brookfield said design discussions were in a "preliminary phase" for the addition of 27,870 square meters of commercial space with the construction of City Square South.

"In response to demand for premium-grade office space in Perth, we are committed to growing the City Square precinct with the addition of the proposed City Square South tower," Brookfield Office Properties Australian Commercial Operations chief executive Kurt Wilkinson said.

The site was originally owned by fallen tycoon Ric Stowe, who had plans in place to build a 14-storey office tower.

Brookfield purchased the site in October for $25.3 million.

Also, Brookfield said the retail leasing program for City Square's 7,126sqm of retail space is well under way.

It said the heritage retail precinct would contain high end boutique retailers, bars, restaurants and cafes.

When is the heritage retail precinct due to open.


To add to that when is the new bar opening at 140?

We seem to be in a holding pattern.

To add to that when is the new bar opening at 140?



Good luck in getting a tavern license above a train station, in the CBD!

haha

Never, ever, ever going to happen.

we wouldn't want anything too progressive would we?

When is the heritage retail precinct due to open.


...

And whatever happened to our tour of the heritage buildings?

Good luck in getting a tavern license above a train station, in the CBD!

haha

Never, ever, ever going to happen.

as opposed to having one ACROSS A BUSY ROAD from the main trainstation in melbourne. whats more dangerous. walking down an escalator or across a road. silly perth

The drunken yobbos who cause all the problems aren't going to be going to the Ellington Jazz Club or the State Theater Center Bar or the 140william Tavern, they are going to be going to the large beer barns and nightclubs.

The government needs to realize that there IS a difference between a 100-patron small bar and a 1000-patron nightclub when it comes to alcohol fueled violence. And the media needs to realize it too (and push that message on the general public) rather than this automatic presumption in Perth that any venue that serves alcohol is automatically going to lead to more violence.

We need to target the beer barns and nightclubs with a lot more random inspection (i.e. looking for venues that arent following responsible service of alcohol rules and are allowing patrons to become intoxicated). Maybe find a way to reduce the allowed patron numbers for these venues (although whether that would help I dont know)

Also we need to improve transport options for people to use to get home after a night out so they dont try to drink and drive and so they dont hang around for an hour or so after closing time waiting for a way home. Buses and trains need improved services late at night. More money needs to be spent on taxi infrastructure (including taxi ranks with good lighting and CCTV) and more money (and possibly changes to the law governing taxi licenses) needs to be spent to encourage drivers to actually pick up from nightspots on these days when people are wanting a way home. (there are stories about how its too hard to get taxis because drivers just wont pick up from the nightspots)

It's all bullshit.

The 'northbridge violence' beat up started when Barnett took office and there was a threat to the budget falling in to deficit. Cutting spending on police would have meant less money/resources/staff, so Police manufacture media-friendly crisis in the form of ALCOHOL FUELLED VIOLENCE.

Not denying that there's a seed of truth that alcohol and violence co-exist, but prohibition will never be the answer to that problem. So now we have police saturation and cops doing things like arresting and sstrip-search good samaritans for not producing ID (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7102912/charge-of-failing-to-produce-id-to-police-beaten/), assaulting and tasering people (http://www.news.com.au/police-tasered-acused-man-twice-during-northbridge-fight-court-told/story-e6frg13u-1225964044247?from=public_rss), driving their cars at citizens who accidentally cross the road on a red man (thats my own one), or beating up dudes outside the court for no reason (http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-officers-assault-disturbing-acting-police-commissioner/story-e6frg12c-1225831832938), etc etc etc.

It'll be over 30st high. Woodside is 45,000sqm over 27 levels with a much larger building footprint. The previous office proposal for the state govt was 20st or around 30,000sqm.

Can we realy say it will be anything untill final plans come out when it starts again.

May be a totaly new tower will be built, or a 2 storey tower so it doesnt exceed height limits for plot ratio?

We know it will be a large office tower of over 20st. The plot ratio for the site is about 7:1 which would be one of the highest ratios in Perth.

Would the site that Bishop See South is on be included in the land for the plot ratio?

Docker I think your first post is what causes alot of the confusion with this project. The rendes you have there are in no order (date or height wise).

My understanding of the history of the site is basically as follows-

Old, old proposal (Proposed Late 80's):
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8514/178828ss4.jpg

Future231 (Early 00's Proposal, Aimed at no one in particular):
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8717/bishopssee2bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (27level, 2004, Aimed at no one in particular, Submitted with original DA for stage 1 which is now nearing completion):
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2304/bishop8ov.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bishops See (40 level, Late 2007, Aimed at BHP as a 2nd option to City Square, No DA submitted, realistically it was never going to happen):
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1560/bshops1jl0.jpg

Bishops See (35 level, Early 2008, Aimed at State Govt as anchor with a significant amount of extra floor space to be built specutively):
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4654/bsstt5.jpg


Current Proposal (25 level, Late 2008, Aimed at State Government as only tenants, No spec floor space added due to credit crunch):
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3690/image005wo9.jpg

Im wonder what will be the next coming proposal render will be looking like.

I was being sarcastic re plot ratio / perth ratio

Urgh that most recent render looks kinda shitty. I thought it was still all exposed beams and coolness like before.

TBH I like the first one lol...
Just throwing that out there.
Pretty sure thats the same building shown in Curtin's Architecture department?

The 35level early 2008 one is the best design so far :)
Taller the better, that intersection where QV1, Woodside and this will be will look noice

We know it will be a large office tower of over 20st. The plot ratio for the site is about 7:1 which would be one of the highest ratios in Perth.

Not sure what you mean here. AFAIK this is still an amalgamated site with the south "tower", St. Georges Square, the hotel and the heritage buildings, so the relevant floor space available from plot ratio will be whatever's left. That should still be plenty for a big tower though, and I can't see the point in taking the project out of hibernation unless you were going to build as big as you can.

How did they get 7:1 btw? Is this because part of the site was developed before the current rules came into place?

Unrelated, what the hell is that thing in the late 80s render where Woodside is now?

TBH I like the first one lol...
Just throwing that out there.
Pretty sure thats the same building shown in Curtin's Architecture department?

I agree. I'm not sure what it was proposed to be constructed of, but had it been built and turned out anything like One/Two Liberty Place in Philadelphia... :cheers: