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SYDNEY November 21st, 2003, 10:18 PM Discuss development and such, in the Cape Town general area. Contact
SP!RE regarding developments and he will post them in the Cape Town Construction and Fact File.
De Snor November 21st, 2003, 11:25 PM Art Deco has always been my favorite kind of architecture , it seems so timeless . The entrance of the Mutual Heights building is awesome :okay:
Vertigo November 22nd, 2003, 12:08 AM I agree with the Snor, Mutual Heights is awesome!
Tom1968 November 22nd, 2003, 04:27 AM Interesting buildings! Cape Town is one of the most interesting towns in Africa!
rj2uman November 22nd, 2003, 05:22 AM Nice! I am more and more impressed all the time!
Edmundtanso January 7th, 2004, 07:26 PM nice...thanks. so many new developments, very cool.
i like especesially the "Proposed Residential Complex to be built on the slopes of Table Mountain" got more photos about this? =) i like the openess of the house.
thanks
Chibcha2k January 12th, 2004, 09:27 AM http://www.theislandclub.co.za/images/phase1_elevation_big.jpg
wow...awesome place... i would love to live in a place like that
HD January 12th, 2004, 09:38 AM wow, pretty cool projects. I love the atlantica.
SA BOY January 15th, 2004, 02:18 AM Craig
Who are the marketing agents for this development?
SAB
SYDNEY January 15th, 2004, 01:59 PM Originally posted by SA BOY
Craig
Who are the marketing agents for this development?
SAB
I sent u the link @ skyscraperpage...good luck ;)
De Snor January 23rd, 2004, 08:05 PM I must say there are some fine buildings amongst those new proposed towers.
It appears Cape Town has a vibrant future towards architecture imo.
Great informative thread :okay:
SA BOY January 26th, 2004, 09:41 PM Gandalf/craigy/matGood to see you are still doing what you do best and creating great threads.
When is the next one due cos we have had the waterfront/Atlantic seaboard ones and Its time for a CBD city one.
Cheers SAB:guns1:
SYDNEY January 27th, 2004, 12:45 PM HEY ! How are things over at BUSH/CIA controlled Skyscraperpage ? Thanks for all the words of support - I have thought about an alter-ego but eventually decided against it..I prefer it here :colgate:
I am trying to get a South African "mini" forum going here..maybe you can ask the guys over SSP to support my request (if u don't mind ;).....
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84140
Funny enough, I have just been slagging through the city ;) and got loads of pics...now I need to download them and Cape Town Part 4 will be up and running soon. I hope to see all of you over here sooon...take care and say hi to all the guys for me..THANKS !
SA BOY January 29th, 2004, 10:02 AM Cool cant wait to see the pics and be there in person in a few weeks. Ill support you no worries and bring my wisdom and bullshit in equal qantities here.
U have any new good building pics of C T buildings cos we could do with some more good building pics with an artistic eye.
Cheers and c ya soon
SAB:angel1:
Denoordrotterdammer January 29th, 2004, 05:00 PM But the black-people who live in the out-back are very poor. Can't they better use the money for fight against aids and H.I.V. And spend the money to the poor black pleople and schooling
Nick February 2nd, 2004, 06:24 AM capetown is truely awesome.I have to go there one day.That waterfront infront of the city needs some serious work though
SA BOY February 10th, 2004, 01:11 AM That first pic is behind the city lodge hotel. Not fair canal quays sold out:bleep: :bleep: :bleep: :bleep:
Julz February 23rd, 2004, 06:45 AM WOW!!! i can't beleive how nice Cape Town is...How many people live in the metropolitan area??
1 thing though, the city centre of CT needs to improve and actually look like a CBD that bustles, too many roads are wide and the density of the city isnt very outstanding.
The government needs to change the height restriction(if there is one) and DENSE up the city centre!!
by doing this it will really work like a major city for the world, because it has the look..all it needs is the reputation of a "bustling city" but CT rocks n e way!:happy: :colgate:
Caisson Boy February 29th, 2004, 09:18 AM VOTE GANDALF33
I totally agree. But it would be cool if, like BELLVILLE could become a new, very dense and built up CBD. After all, it is more central. So we'll have a scenic CBD (city bowl) and a real one (Bellville)!!
SYDNEY March 9th, 2004, 07:31 PM :)
De Snor March 24th, 2004, 10:58 PM It is almost 10 Years since South Africa said goodbye to the apartheid regime and hello to democracy.
It seems the local politicians are holding nothing against the development of foreign investment...
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Mutual Heights (Office conversion to Lofts - art deco heritage building)
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_development/images/mutualheights_image12_b.jpg
I really love art deco and I would love to see more pictures of this particular building.Who has some for me ?
sebastiao May 29th, 2004, 06:35 PM Howzit my men,
Just out of curiosity; what is actually happening in CT? Is this construction boom in CT and Strand etc, funneled by a local economic boom or is something else going on?
I mean, most developemets in the Western Cape are resedential buildings , not so much offices. What sort of people are buying up all this new appartments? Is it holiday flats for Vaalies or imported Europeans (Dutch, German, Brits) that we see here?
Sebastiao
HirakataShi June 5th, 2004, 01:57 AM The South African Cities Network (www.sacities.co.za) has released a review of South Africa's 9 largest metros (eThekwini, Tshwane, Joburg, Nelson mandela, Msunduzi, Cape Town, Erkuhuleni, Buffalo City, and Maugung).
You can see it at their website www.sacities.co.za or www.sacities.net
I was really saddened by the high unemployment numbers cited in the reports. It stated that job growth has not kept up with population growth and unemployment is actually increasing in beloved South Africa for this reason. Do you guys know what's going on? Why such high unemployment persist? Why isn't the economy growing faster?
SYDNEY June 5th, 2004, 10:35 AM A gr8 site - Thanks.
Caisson Boy June 28th, 2004, 12:46 PM Actually, I would say that the theatre facilities in Cape Town are very good in comparison with the rest of the world, especially the UK. Although much fewer in number, our theatres tend to have better seats, better sight lines and are normally in a much better state of upkeep than the ones in London. Artscape offers four venues of differing size, and then there are smaller revue-type venues like On Broadway in Green Point, and Theatre on the Bay in Camps Bay, which really is not far from the city if you take Kloofnek Road. Further afield are the Baxter theatre centre in Mowbray, the Joseph Stone
Auditorium in Athlone, and Roxy's at Grand West, and others in the Blaauwberg and Bellville/Durbanville areas (for these you would have to travel a bit longer). There are also good concert halls for classical music, like the Cape Town City Hall, Hugo Lambrechts Music Centre and Endler Hall in Stellenbosch.
SYDNEY June 28th, 2004, 01:02 PM Good news
Caisson Boy June 28th, 2004, 01:17 PM Some useful sites you might want to check out:
http://www.artscape.co.za for Artscape Theatre Centre
http://www.baxter.co.za for Baxter Theatre Centre
http://www.capetownopera.co.za
http://www.capephilharmonic.org.za
http://www.capetowncityballet.org.za
http://www.theatreonthebay.co.za
http://www.onbroadway.co.za
http://www.museums.org.za for Iziko Museums of Cape Town
http://www.nlsa.ac.za for National Library of South Africa
http://www.labia.co.za for the oldest alternative and art cinema centre in SA
http://www.castleofgoodhope.co.za
http://www.stgeorgescathedral.com for the cathedral with regular music programmes (on the future Cathedral Square!!!)
http://www.sajewishmuseum.co.za
http://www.goldofafrica.com for the gold museum
http://www.heritage.org.za
There are, of course, loads of other things, but I can't list all of them!
De Snor June 29th, 2004, 08:39 PM You just made a culture minded guy very happy !
Thank you :okay:
jackie July 4th, 2004, 05:14 PM I want to live in Cape Town!!
I'd like to know how to get in touch with the above developers to buy an apartment/s off-plan . The sites you've mentioned here on Page 1 #71, #72, #77, #79, Page 4 #49 are what I'm looking for but I'm not sure if all have commenced building or if they are near completion & sold already?
The Decks & Houton street really appeal to me as well as the others mentioned above.
Please help ?
Ok If you help me , I'll treat you to a coffee , alright then a beer, maybe dinner if you're good- when I'm next in town-that's a promise! :-)
Jackie (Female) :) From the UK
jackie July 4th, 2004, 05:17 PM That message was intended for Gandalf33
SYDNEY July 5th, 2004, 12:14 AM Good luck Sweety ;)
joburg July 9th, 2004, 12:37 PM Friday, July 09, 2004
First phase of CT film studio underway
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THE first phase of the R400m Dreamworld Film Studio project in Cape Town has commenced with bush clearing services on the site near Faure, about 20km from Cape Town, starting last week.
It is expected that the bush clearing will take approximately three weeks, after which the environmental impact assessment of the site will take place. Construction of the film studio is expected to commence in early 2005.
The bush clearing is being done by FM Clearing Services, a BEE company owned by Michael Mfanya. All the people working on the site are drawn from the vicinity of the development, including Khayelitsha, Harare, Guguletu and Mfuleni.
Phuti Tsukudu, Dreamworld director assigned the responsibility of empowerment rollout and monitoring for the project said the bush clearing phase was the first real sign of the commencement of the project.
"This bush clearing phase is a small but tangible example of how residents of immediate townships will benefit from this development. We look forward to making this project a success not only for Dreamworld, but for the thousands of people and their families who will benefit from the jobs it will provide,” said Tsukudu.
"This development is set to dramatically boost South Africa as a destination of choice for international filmmakers who will not only have access to spectacular locations, but who will now be offered a one-stop, highly advanced facility where an entire production can be produced from conception to completion,” added Tsukudu.
(Lucy Siebert)
Caisson Boy July 22nd, 2004, 04:33 PM Hotel for Newlands grounds
July 22, 2004
By Sports Staff
A 120-room hotel and 150 apartments are to be built on a strip of land in Newlands between the cricket ground and Kelvin Grove.
Last night at the annual meeting of the Western Province Cricket Association, which owns the stadium, architects gave delegates a sneak preview.
The development, which could earn the association as much as R15 million, forms a big part of the association's plan to liquidate the debt from buying the stadium.
The WPCA will also earn R10m from the sale of Monorgan, a house in Campground Road which used to house its offices.
The proposed hotel will front Campground Road at the north end of the ground, with the apartments close to the existing north pavilion, decreasing in height towards the Kelvin Grove side.
All parking will be underground.
The land for the development still needs to be rezoned, which could take a year, and construction could last about 18 months.
The development will mean the relocation of cricket nets from near Campground Road to the north-west corner of the ground, up against the railway line.
For fans who have bemoaned the erosion of grassy viewpoints over the years, good news is that the bank in that section of the ground will be retained, with trees to be planted on it as well.
Also proposed as part of the development is a bridge over the railway line near the nets area.
joburg July 22nd, 2004, 11:11 PM Cape Town loves cranes! :D
Residential development - 1 - FROM SUITS TO SUITES
By Pauline Larsen
Office-to-apartment conversions reach the Cape Town suburbs
Trendy conversions of commercial buildings to apartment blocks are no longer the preserve of city centres. And one of the latest is under way for the first time in a chi-chi Cape Town suburb.
A deal is on the cards in Claremont, between institutional property owner Investec and development group Property Partners for the first office-to-residential conversion in the city's southern suburbs. And it is considered a good move in a business area with about 30% of unlet A-grade office space, according to the SA Property Owners' Association (Sapoa).
The R80m sale includes two buildings, Claremont Terraces and Claremont Centre, on the same site in Protea Road. In total, the properties offer 16 000 m² of commercial space, with retail areas on their ground floors. There will be 195 sectional-title apartments, 142 at Claremont Centre and the balance at Claremont Terraces.
The developers say about 20 units have already been sold, though the project has not yet been launched. Prices are reasonable for costly Cape Town, with the smallest one-bedroomed unit having been put on the market at R580 000.
"We've pitched prices at an average rate of R14 500/m²," says Property Partners CEO Stuart Chait.
The development will offer one-, two- and three-bedroomed apartments. One-bedroomed units will range from 59 m² to 71 m² and come with one parking bay each. There will be 22 penthouses, ranging from 85 m² to 249 m² and including two parking bays each. Buyers will be able to buy additional bays.
"We've provided generous balconies to take advantage of the mountain views," says Chait.
The developers plan to sell off the shopping component as a fully occupied going concern. Existing tenants include clothing stores, dry cleaners, a juice bar and bookstores.
The developers want to rename the project "Intaba", which means "mountain", pending a copyright check.
It's no wonder Investec decided to sell Claremont Centre. It was the old Fedsure headquarters and has almost 10 000 m² of vacant office space. Latest industry data suggests the market for offices in the node may take a while to turn.
However, Claremont Terraces is in a healthier situation. Rand Merchant Bank is the tenant and 90% of it is occupied.
Financial Mail
clive330 July 23rd, 2004, 01:39 AM Actually, I would say that the theatre facilities in Cape Town are very good in comparison with the rest of the world, especially the UK. Although much fewer in number, our theatres tend to have better seats, better sight lines and are normally in a much better state of upkeep than the ones in London.
Yeah most of Londons west end theatres are visually pretty tired. Some look like a dodgy school hall. And many are gradually dying. Stacks of London clubs use now-disused theatres (which, of course, make spectacular clubs and venues) such as Fridge (3000), Brixton Academy (5000), Temple (6000), Camden Palace (3000), Astoria (2000), Roundhouse Camden (2000)......many more!
Caisson Boy July 23rd, 2004, 10:45 AM I love the Astoria... :cucumber:
SA BOY July 24th, 2004, 07:40 AM Claremont is a bit of an eyesore especially along the railway line. Some of those horrible 70s and 80s one dimentional shopping centres with office above are perfect for conversions. funny from the intersection by the pick and pay going towards newlands, its all glitz and glamor with nice greenery and buildings but going the other way along the main street its hawkers , taxis and chaos.
De Snor July 25th, 2004, 07:39 PM how many buildings are U/C at the moment ?
SA BOY July 28th, 2004, 11:05 AM many nights stumbling around dirty dicks. It will be remembered. But even better are the views from the appartment block . Hopefully they build on the site next door as well where the car park is.
Im telling you the best location for appartments are the fishermans buildings at the end of hout bay , the ones up high on the town side of the sentinal. Spectacular views and minimal wind. Wonder what they are worth???
HirakataShi July 31st, 2004, 03:10 AM Germany gives R60m to uplift Cape townships
The City of Cape Town is to spend R120-million - half of it from the German government - in improving conditions and fighting crime in Mitchells Plain and Khayelitsha.
It believes uplifting the two areas that are home to a third of the city's three million people will improve business confidence and that this will ultimately benefit all Capetonians.
The plan entails creating "safe nodes", where public facilities and services are to be provided that are expected to benefit between 20 000 and 50 000 people living within a two-kilometre radius.
The KfW Bank of Germany handed R60-million to mayor Nomaindia Mfeketo on Monday.
This amount is to be matched by the city, the provincial government and the national government.
"Many social problems are evident in Khayelitsha and Mitchells Plain, both of which have been identified as crime hotspots," Mfeketo said.
"But no community exists in isolation, especially in Cape Town."
"Khayelitsha and Mitchells Plain are home to a third of the city's population. This programme is to uplift these communities and benefit Cape Town as a whole. Safer communities have a spiral effect. Reductions in crime lead to social and economic development, which leads to business confidence."
In the first phase of the project, which is to be carried out as part of the city's urban renewal programme, "safe nodes" are to be created in Khayelitsha by:
Providing social and commercial services, community spaces, housing, recreation and sports facilities, satellite police stations, and safe houses for victims of crime
Improving infrastructure and sanitation
Training youths as peace development workers, a role that includes guiding people who need to deal with government departments and running campaigns to improve awareness or conditions
It is understood nine nodes have been identified, but the city is to begin by creating three nodes in Khayelitsha's poorest areas.
Fifty percent of the city's unemployed live in Khayelitsha, which, according to South African Police Service figures last year, has one of the country's highest murder rates.
"We will be reducing crime in Khayelitsha through community-based crime management and community functions," Mfeketo said.
"The safe nodes will be managed by community organisations and we are recruiting young people for training as peace development workers."
"We also want to close the gap between the racial groups in Khayelitsha and Mitchells Plain and push physical integration."
Khayelitsha Development Forum chairperson Zamayedwa Sogayise said his forum had identified about nine nodes.
"The first thing we did was look at the most deprived communities in Khayelitsha," he said.
"We identified needs for such things as libraries, early childhood development (facilities), small businesses, infrastructure and sanitation."
"The nodes will have an impact in changing the area and we want to link this to the Khayelitsha Business District."
KfW Bank representative Michael Fischer said the project would be implemented over five years.
People in Khayelitsha could apply for funding for small enterprises through the project's social development fund.
"We want to improve the living conditions of the people of Cape Town," Fischer said.
"To create safer environments, we believe it is important to improve living conditions and provide services in those areas."
De Snor August 4th, 2004, 09:11 AM These last series of pictures are looking like the Spanish Mediterreanan coastline in the 80's where developments came out the ground like mushrooms.
Cranes can be seen everywhere :eek:
SYDNEY August 6th, 2004, 08:52 AM ;)
SA BOY August 7th, 2004, 10:51 AM bring on the cranes. should 2005 be the year of the crane?
Caisson Boy August 7th, 2004, 02:28 PM Pity Royal Sands is so low-rise... Speaking of which: Has anyone seen the new renderings for Cape Sands on the Multi Projects page? It seems the building has been re-planned, and the number of storeys reduced from 13 to 10? Any thoughts?
MyJoburg August 7th, 2004, 11:46 PM And people think that Africa is ALL third-world! HA! Look at these amazing new-age developments!
Amen, South Africa has arrived! Truly! Crime is going down, and development is fighting off fears of any corruption! This is going smoothly!
(Look out NZ + Aus. - hahahaha...ha.)
hsark August 8th, 2004, 09:21 PM And people think that Africa is ALL third-world! HA! Look at these amazing new-age developments!
Amen, South Africa has arrived! Truly! Crime is going down, and development is fighting off fears of any corruption! This is going smoothly!
(Look out NZ + Aus. - hahahaha...ha.)
dont get ahead of urself dude .. hey but wait again look what happened to athens in a year im looking foward to a awesome cape town ,joburg and durban come worldcup 2010
jclornton August 9th, 2004, 02:59 AM Cape Town 2004 pics
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Is there anyone out there who has access or has pics of the Olympic Stadium prposed by CT for 2004. I have looked all over the net to no avail. This would really be appreaciated. Or any other pics related to the proposed venues of the 2004 CT bid
Thanks
De Snor August 31st, 2004, 12:48 AM I have a brochure of the CapeTown Olympics 2004 where the stadium is located but nothing how the stadium looks like :(
jclornton August 31st, 2004, 01:31 AM Thanx for replying. I have searched the internet and it seems like they have erased any trace of the 2004 CT bid as if it was a disgrace or something. I am just curious to see what it would have looked like. I did see it once but way back then. If you find anything let me know.
Thanx
jclornton August 31st, 2004, 01:48 AM http://www.bjghw.gov.cn/forNationalStadium/b02/moxing/A19.jpg
I believe that this stadium should be the olympic stadium for CT in 2016/2020, its modern and should hold about 85 000. The opening in the centre is representative of the the South African national flower the PROTEA and hence the stadium would be named, Stadium Proteus or The Protea Stadium. Although this seems light years away, the 2012 olympic host city will be announced in less than a year and then the race for 2016 will begin eventhough the government has stated 2020 as its priority. Jacques Rogge IOC president belives Cape Town shoudl bid for 2016 and who better to get support from.
This stadium was an initial proposal for the Beijing Games but was not chosen
joburg August 31st, 2004, 11:39 AM I love your protea idea!!
I think we should maybe wait for 2020 to bid for the Olympics so we can spin everything out over 10 years.
Anyway, there are quite a few cities who have also been wanting the Olympics for ages now. I think Beaunos Aires and Istanbul have both bid quite a few times already...
De Snor September 5th, 2004, 11:15 PM 2016 ....... I truly hope CT gets it one day !
Pule September 6th, 2004, 07:34 AM http://www.bjghw.gov.cn/forNationalStadium/b02/moxing/A19.jpg
I believe that this stadium should be the olympic stadium for CT in 2016/2020, its modern and should hold about 85 000. The opening in the centre is representative of the the South African national flower the PROTEA and hence the stadium would be named, Stadium Proteus or The Protea Stadium. Although this seems light years away, the 2012 olympic host city will be announced in less than a year and then the race for 2016 will begin eventhough the government has stated 2020 as its priority. Jacques Rogge IOC president belives Cape Town shoudl bid for 2016 and who better to get support from.
This stadium was an initial proposal for the Beijing Games but was not chosen
This is beutiful. I think that the Olympic Cometee and the 2010 World Cup cometee should meet and come with an idea of gathering sponsorhip to build the stadium of this magnitude or even a better one as we can use it for World Cup 2010 and the Olympics 2016/2020.
hsark September 10th, 2004, 02:09 PM one question where will this buliding go as there is very little space left in the foreshore the only places left were taken by the new building which is under construction (the one that looks like the investec build but way better) and the icon building
SYDNEY September 10th, 2004, 03:27 PM je ne sais pas
De Snor September 10th, 2004, 10:40 PM I love 'North Wharf' !
Fresh looking with a warm colour
Pule September 29th, 2004, 08:36 AM Oooohhh Cape Town, the mother city. Look how beutiful you are. You stand pround with beuty and I must say you are the jewel of Africa. CAPE TOWN MY CAPE TOWN.
kota16 October 4th, 2004, 07:32 PM I think Cape Town should go first for the 2014 Commonwealth Games, after New Delhi, India in 2010. These games are meant to go around, and I can hardly believe that Scotland thinks it has a chance again. Edinburgh has hosted these games twice in the last 3 decades, and if we look at the UK, they have been recently in Manchester and a few years back in Cardiff, Wales. I think London is in with a chance to host the 2012 Summer Olympics. I think that South Africa has proved that it knows how to organise world events like the Rugby when it won. I actually think that the Commonwealth owes it to South Africa, to vote for Cape Town as the venue. I know any Australians or Kiwis that go there always love the place. So GO FOR IT!.
SYDNEY October 9th, 2004, 11:58 PM ;)
jclornton October 14th, 2004, 11:37 PM after months of searching on the internet i resorted to the library and wow was i amazed.There was the bid book for the CT 2004 bid, wow what attention to detail and what great venues far better and beautiful than Athens. The Olympic Stadium is a jewel and everything had sucha great legacy, at the time i was but 12 and did not really understand what effort was put into the bid but i am def impressed and CTshould go with ful force for Commonwealth games and then for Olympics 2020, of course more modern and sustainable venues will be needed but we have much more now then back then.
OMG the Aquatic Centre amazing and the river/rowing course ran right past the Olympic Stadium wow, never seen a more beautiful Olympic Park.
I luv CT even more, the bid book was extremely large and it was fascinating to see what would happen to improve the hockey venues and what Athlone Stadium would look like and the wonderful exhibtion centres and stunning olympic village opposite the stadium across the river. Althought the entire Wingfield Area wa not used it was still breath taking.
WOW wOW wow
Pule October 15th, 2004, 03:27 PM after months of searching on the internet i resorted to the library and wow was i amazed.There was the bid book for the CT 2004 bid, wow what attention to detail and what great venues far better and beautiful than Athens. The Olympic Stadium is a jewel and everything had sucha great legacy, at the time i was but 12 and did not really understand what effort was put into the bid but i am def impressed and CTshould go with ful force for Commonwealth games and then for Olympics 2020, of course more modern and sustainable venues will be needed but we have much more now then back then.
OMG the Aquatic Centre amazing and the river/rowing course ran right past the Olympic Stadium wow, never seen a more beautiful Olympic Park.
I luv CT even more, the bid book was extremely large and it was fascinating to see what would happen to improve the hockey venues and what Athlone Stadium would look like and the wonderful exhibtion centres and stunning olympic village opposite the stadium across the river. Althought the entire Wingfield Area wa not used it was still breath taking.
WOW wOW wow
Pictures please JcL...That sounds fascinating.
jclornton October 15th, 2004, 09:47 PM they are all in books that cannot be removed from the library so i cannot bring them home and scan them but will see what i can do.
SA BOY October 16th, 2004, 11:37 AM I was offerd one of these a few months ago as I have bought from this developer before. Not to keen on the very minamalist finnishes of exposed concrete, and brickwork etc.
SYDNEY October 16th, 2004, 01:13 PM ;)
Pule October 18th, 2004, 10:47 AM South Africa makes F1 bid
South African businessmen hope a bid to stage a Formula One Grand Prix in 2007 will gain support from government.
A site for the racetrack has already been identified near Cape Town's international airport, and is expected to cost £34m.
"The plans for the bid are far advanced," said David Grant, chief executive of the Omega Consortium.
"We are waiting for a response from the South African government to commit itself to the project."
The consortium project that a South African Grand Prix would attract 25,000 visitors from overseas and have a £86m annual impact on the national economy.
Formula One has shaken up its annual calendar in the last five years, with new tracks in Malaysia, Bahrain and China.
South Africa has held Grand Prix in the past, with Johannesburg's Kyalami hosting the most recent one in 1993.
Caisson Boy October 27th, 2004, 06:27 PM Guys
The Metropolis web page is now live, although not 100 % running yet.
www.themetropolisproject.co.za
Pule October 28th, 2004, 08:17 AM Ocean Decks
http://www.multi-projects.com/decks/images/main_image.gif
The Royal Sands
http://www.multi-projects.com/royalsands/images/main_pic.jpg
Nautica
http://www.multi-projects.com/nautica/images/nautica_pic.jpg
Topaz
http://www.multi-projects.com/topaz/images/pic4.jpg
http://www.multi-projects.com/topaz/images/photo_gallery/DSC_0064
http://www.multi-projects.com/topaz/images/photo_gallery/DSC_0041
hsark November 7th, 2004, 05:30 PM waaa! its to hectic for sum of us living in greenpoint(waterfront side) construction is causing havoc cranes are appear everywhere in town now ive seen 4 buildings underconstruction ive neva heard about!..... oh well its fun any way ;-)
SYDNEY November 7th, 2004, 09:35 PM grooovy
clive330 November 8th, 2004, 12:37 AM Dont get too excited Gandalf, property in CTN is still way cheaper than Oz. If I come back I'll have no problem trading in my smallish flat for a very nice house.
SYDNEY November 8th, 2004, 08:56 AM Ok
clive330 November 8th, 2004, 11:20 PM That article is wrong or misleading. You cant compare some flash CBD apartment in CTN with some rundown suburb in Melbourne. The smallest, cheapest 2-bed house that isnt falling down, an hour from central Melbourne will cost $150,000 = R700,000. None of us would live in such a dive.
A basic 3-bed house (comparable with the bottom end of middleclass SA suburbia) will be at least $350,000 = R1.6m.
A nice 4-bed house in a nice area (nothing special) will be around $600,000 = R2.8m
per sq metre
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Melbourne
A basic 60m2 apartment in the CBD of will cost $420,000 = R33,000/m2
A nice flash apartment with a good view will probably be 90m2 for $800,000 = R42,000/m2
Sydney probably R36,000/m2 and R45,000/m2
London probably R70,000/m2 and R100,000/m2
I know there is some property in CTN which will be as expensive as anything anywhere else in the world, but this is the extreme tip of the market. Australia also has $20m+ houses and $10m apartments.
A nice 4-bed family house in London in a good area is going to cost AT LEAST GBP700,000 = R8m. In a flashy area like Chelsea, Kensington or Belgravia it would be GBP2m = R24m
hsark November 9th, 2004, 07:10 AM hey whats wrong wit cpt being cheaper than oz its value for your money and thats why cranes are poping about everwhere,n bringing loads of money into the country....though i do belive the gap is closing btw cpt and places like oz n aus
SA BOY November 9th, 2004, 08:01 AM My appartment I sold in Sydney was waterfron and brand new. It was a 2bed unit in a secure development and I could fish from the balcony I was so close to the water. something comparable in CT would be in the waterfront.I paid A$1.3mil and sold for $1.5mil 1 year later. It was 100m2 which is big by Sydney standards so that works out at A$15 000 per m2 which at todays exchange rate is R70 000 per m2.
Not even close !!!!!!!!
SA BOY November 9th, 2004, 08:03 AM Average price in Sydnbey before we left across the board ( cheepest property to the most expensive ) was A$680 000 which is R3 182 400 and belive me even at that price its hard to find something decent
SA BOY November 11th, 2004, 07:53 AM good news for Cape Town, lets hope it rubbs of on the rest of the country
joburg November 12th, 2004, 05:31 PM Hey guys
Saw in The Property Mag today an advert for Knightsbridge in Century City. Looked really sexy because it was built over the canal with an archway to let the canal run inbetween it. I didn't buy the magazine because it was the Cape Town edition (couldn't find the Gauteng edition), but I'm sure we'll see it soon as they said they were launching in mid November.
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 07:49 AM Here I am, finally getting the hang of communicating on multiple fronts- WOW- Knightsbridge looks quite impressive- I am so very happy that Century City took off- even though Ratanga was not a roaring success...
I can't wait till Topaz gets going...
Is there a thread in here somewhere with wineries/wine estates-- just thinking of some of the beautiful cellar buildings/homesteads (rather than just residential stuff) that are so unique to our corner of paradise....?
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 07:54 AM Here's another question- WHAT happened to Claridges in Seapoint- the Pascal Phelan thing- last time I saw there was just a great big hole- and the website has been taken offline...?
Also, anyone know anything about a development on Heritage Square that was going to be called the Plaza or something- was going to have a website called newyorkliving.co.za?
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 08:11 AM Wow- I thought I knew my stuff- but you are totally clued up- great!
I have seen your gallery of wineland villages- but I was talking specifically about cellars and homesteads- some of the cellars of course are beautiful architectural examples in and of themselves, not taking into account their gorgeous locations...
Vergelegen, Tokara, Lourensford, Dornier (some may argue the merits of this particular cellar- looks "fishy" to me- but it deserves a mention), and of course the many gorgeous redevelopments at Blaauwklippen, Asara, Morgenhof etc...
SYDNEY November 18th, 2004, 08:15 AM Wow- I thought I knew my stuff- but you are totally clued up- great!
I have seen your gallery of wineland villages- but I was talking specifically about cellars and homesteads- some of the cellars of course are beautiful architectural examples in and of themselves, not taking into account their gorgeous locations...
Vergelegen, Tokara, Lourensford, Dornier (some may argue the merits of this particular cellar- looks "fishy" to me- but it deserves a mention), and of course the many gorgeous redevelopments at Blaauwklippen, Asara, Morgenhof etc...
You are going to have a good laugh - I have lived here for 3 years now and I have never been wine tasting *blush* but I will get on my better half's stallion and take pics of homesteads etc ... oh yes, I have pics of Groote Constantia (magnificent) ... you do know that Boschendal is becoming a Residential Estate ?? quite sad in a way :(
SA BOY November 18th, 2004, 08:15 AM I know that Mirage Mille are doing a one and only hotel and spa complex in the waterfront which will be awesome but the palm guys are Nakheel (ex Dubai port authority) and I dont know about them hitting CT as they have so much on their plate here (3rd palm released last week and 4th about to be)
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 08:17 AM Boschendal is the saddest thing I have ever heard of- and it was a STEAL DEAL-a mere R300-odd million for 3000ha of prime land in the middle of a town...unbelievable..
Yes, you must go wine tasting- I really suggest going to Vergelegen and Lourensford (next-door neighbours) and maybe Lanzerac in Stellenbosch, Paul Cluver in Elgin (the drive is worth it, the wine is pretty good..)
SA BOY November 18th, 2004, 08:19 AM african sky come on spill the beans-where are you from and how come you know so much about CT?
BTW have you added your self to the introductions to the forum thread where you have to tell us age, likes dislike setc???
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 08:23 AM More construction-related stuff- I really hope that the Dreamworks thing gets going and quickly, so that some way can be found to "connect" burgeoning Strand with Cape Town, and that some more development can come to that area in general- just to daydream- imagine a high-speed commuter rail link between Strand and Cape Town, going along the beach and then over the mountain- allowing more people to live outside, but work in, Cape Town -*sigh* never happen though...
SYDNEY November 18th, 2004, 08:23 AM ok
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 08:24 AM No- where is introduction thread- will go there soon...Of course I'm from CT, and I am what one could call an interested layperson...more on intro thread- if i can find it....
SYDNEY November 18th, 2004, 08:31 AM More construction-related stuff- I really hope that the Dreamworks thing gets going and quickly, so that some way can be found to "connect" burgeoning Strand with Cape Town, and that some more development can come to that area in general- just to daydream- imagine a high-speed commuter rail link between Strand and Cape Town, going along the beach and then over the mountain- allowing more people to live outside, but work in, Cape Town -*sigh* never happen though...
Wow - that will be really gr8 ... Dreamworks has become a political debacle now and quite an embarressment for the ANC ... Anant Singh should have started construction already but he has a few men "clearing the field" ... here is the low-down - rumour has it that he is struggling to come up with the money and that he is asking The City Council to help with finance .. Anant has also won a bid in Durban (no surprise) to build a film studio and this is his home city which means that he is pumping all the money into the Durban studio PLUS the preferred bidders for the CT studio ( Cape Town Film ..... who were going to build at Culemborg) will start building a film studio in Jo'burg - they are already rolling ahead ... that leaves CT in the cold.
The gist is that Rasool used the whole bid as an election campaign, promising the unemployed of Khayelitsha jobs and upliftment when the studio gets built there.
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 08:36 AM Maestro, of course I knew this already- I will give you a clue to my secret identity- I have worked somewhat with the film industry in the past, and met with Anton Nel, the "other guy" in this whole story...It was in fact he who brought the idea of a film studio in CT to the table in the first place. Joburg just isn't as viable, because it can't support as many backlots and isn't as cheap to produce in as CT. Still I hope that works- you know that Anant also has issues with the proposed Durbs studio...still...
Now that the decision has been made for Anant in CT, no use moaning about it, so I'm just holding thumbs for him to get it started...At least he is well-known and well-respected both in Hollywood and Bollywood.
SYDNEY November 18th, 2004, 08:41 AM Maestro, of course I knew this already- I will give you a clue to my secret identity- I have worked somewhat with the film industry in the past, and met with Anton Nel, the "other guy" in this whole story...It was in fact he who brought the idea of a film studio in CT to the table in the first place. Joburg just isn't as viable, because it can't support as many backlots and isn't as cheap to produce in as CT. Still I hope that works- you know that Anant also has issues with the proposed Durbs studio...still...
Now that the decision has been made for Anant in CT, no use moaning about it, so I'm just holding thumbs for him to get it started...At least he is well-known and well-respected both in Hollywood and Bollywood.
I still say that the Culemborg bid would have been the best and it will get rid of that eyesore - with plans to build low cost houses there - oi vey - I shudder to think what they are going to build there at the gateway to the city. So you are quite the enigma ;) I wonder why they are pressing ahead with the Jozi Studio then if it is not that viable - they must know something that we don't ...
African Sky November 18th, 2004, 08:42 AM Dear Forum-goers- it has been a wonderful and pleasant experience as my first set of postings- thanks especially to SA Boy and Gandalf for their replies to my queries...
Now it is time for those of us in cold and northern climes to sleep, perchance to dream of home...
Until later,
Ciao
SYDNEY November 18th, 2004, 08:43 AM Dear Forum-goers- it has been a wonderful and pleasant experience as my first set of postings- thanks especially to SA Boy and Gandalf for their replies to my queries...
Now it is time for those of us in cold and northern climes to sleep, perchance to dream of home...
Until later,
Ciao
Sleep tight - ciao - totsiens
Mo Rush November 18th, 2004, 12:52 PM ooooh do i sense some electricity between you people, sleep tight??? this is not a romance site lol just kidding lol
Mo Rush December 15th, 2004, 12:28 PM ATHLONE STADIUM: This is what i think it should look like both stands should be covered with a roof and seating shud be extended around the north and south ends of the stadium....
Possible Capacity: 40 000 if not a bit less
http://www.thaibase.com/special/worldcup2002/images/gwang1.jpg
http://www.thaibase.com/special/worldcup2002/images/gw02-1.jpg
If south africa were to host 2006 SWC then these stadium would have been built and they are quite spectacular compared to some stadiums we have proposed
http://www.suntimes.co.za/1999/08/15/sport/soccer/p15stad1.jpg
http://www.suntimes.co.za/1999/08/15/sport/soccer/p15stad3.jpg
apologies for the small pictures but this is south africa and you can never get any decent pic of our sports infrastructure or nice renderings of future sports projects, i think the moden architects designing the futuristic type shaped apartment blocks should start thinking of designing some stadiums...
Pule December 21st, 2004, 07:41 AM The Cape Town city council's business plans for a huge infrastructural development benefiting disadvantaged communities along the N2 freeway are expected to be ready before the end of december 2004.
City development and infrastructure director Mike Marsden said on Thursday that officials were hard at work putting the finishing touches to the plan.
The N2 Gateway Project entails extensive development of land between Cape Town International Airport and the city centre.
Approved by the cabinet, it forms part of Housing Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's aims to eradicate all squatter camps by 2010. During construction, some communities will have to be moved, especially those plagued by frequent flooding.
'This project will breach the old apartheid planning barriers'
Marsden said actual work on the project is expected to begin next month: "This is one project that is driven by local, provincial and national government. What we want to do is to achieve an integrated approach to provide infrastructure and community facilities for people in settlements along the freeway."
"We are planning apace and hope to commence work on-site some time in January."
The N2 Gateway Project was a national pilot project to test a government draft policy on sustainable human settlement.
"The principles of the government's Expanded Public Works Programme will be applied in the construction phase and what this means is that many job opportunities will arise," Marsden said. "We want to create sustainable communities."
Work is expected to begin on the informal settlement areas between Borcherds Quarry in the vicinity of the airport and Jan Smuts Drive near Athlone.
Cape Town mayor Nomaindia Mfeketo said the project would not only benefit disadvantaged communities living along the route, but the city as a whole.
Mfeketo said: "This is a new approach to human settlements. It is dealing with some of our worst areas of poverty."
"This project will breach the old apartheid planning barriers. It will connect Langa to Bokmakierie, Gugulethu to Bonteheuwel and other areas.
"It is about changing the face of the future of Cape Town."
SA BOY December 22nd, 2004, 07:55 AM I am working with these architects from Dallas on the new 4 seasons resort in dubai and guess what, they are also doing the one and only in CT and she is a beauty. check out the render
www.threearch.com and follw links to resorts
Pule December 22nd, 2004, 10:22 AM Cape Town vs Rio - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=161379
dysan1 January 1st, 2005, 08:19 PM what is the height limit in the strand?
SYDNEY January 4th, 2005, 07:37 AM ???
hsark January 14th, 2005, 03:29 PM heres a kak
Waterfront development put on hold
The City of Cape Town has halted R1-billion in developments planned for the Waterfront because, it says, the V&A Waterfront Company is not following the correct approval procedures.
Now the company, which says the move will have "devastating consequences" for the Waterfront, is taking the council to court to try to compel it to approve the development plans, which it says are being carried out according to an agreement to which the city was party 15 years ago.
The affected developments are Sol Kerzner's "seven-star" hotel, a parking garage at Granger Bay, two office blocks planned for East Pier and Portswood Ridge and the extension of the residential complex of the V&A Marina.
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Derek van der Merwe, managing director of the V&A Waterfront Company, said on Tuesday that in a letter on December 22, the city's legal department said the council would not approve further developments until the company complied with the procedures that the rest of the city had to follow.
'They've put R1bn in developments on hold. We're suing as our legal opinion says they're wrong.'
"That means they've put about R1-billion in developments on hold," Van der Merwe said.
"We're suing them as our legal opinion says they're wrong and they must approve the plans."
Van der Merwe said that 15 years ago the city council, Transnet and the Waterfront Company had signed a "package of plans" agreement stipulating how land at the Cape Town harbour would be rezoned and building plans approved.
This had been done according to an act of parliament promulgated to regulate the process whereby Transnet disposed of old harbour land around the country. Since then, there had been R5-billion worth of development at the Waterfront.
"This agreement has been predominantly responsible for the success of the Waterfront," Van der Merwe said.
'There is a court case pending against the city'
"We do our own zonation in terms of this legislation. Now they say we've got to follow the Land Use Planning Ordinance approval process."
He had obtained legal opinion that the city council was wrong, Van der Merwe said.
The city council's media spokesperson, Charles Cooper, said on Tuesday: "As far as I know there is a court case pending against the city by the Waterfront Company."
He had tried to get details about the matter from the city's legal department, but the department had not got back to him, Cooper said.
Sources said the city's legal department had suggested to the Waterfront Company earlier that they approach the Cape High Court jointly to ask for a ruling on the legal battle, but the company had turned this down.
It is understood the agreement signed 15 years ago was considered appropriate when the Waterfront development was restricted to buildings near the harbour edge.
Now that high-rise office blocks and apartments were being built close to the rest of the city, this agreement, which provided exemption from set approval processes, was no longer applicable.
Also, the land no longer belonged to Transnet and had been sold to the Waterfront Company, so it was subject to the same rezoning applications and building approvals as developments in the rest of the city.
www.iol.co.za
Mo Rush January 14th, 2005, 03:44 PM im gonna personally get out my baseball bat and hit some of the people in charge who are slowing things down just because they dont get any bonuses of it and because they want to seem as if they are actually doing work when instead they are brainless and sit behind their office desks figuring out how the game solitarie works
they are wasthing time and halting investment in cape town
are they stupid i dont care what reasons they have
SYDNEY January 14th, 2005, 04:33 PM AFRICAN MENTALITY !
SYDNEY January 14th, 2005, 07:29 PM :redx:
datilguy January 15th, 2005, 12:34 AM Great figures.I get a big (explitive deleted) grin on my face every time I read them. ;) It almost seems that the Mayor and the rest of city council dose not like the way the city is heading (which is possibly the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard!) I see absolutely no reason for hindering such great development in CT any further.
dysan1 January 15th, 2005, 12:10 PM BUT if you read carefully what they said, all the city is doing is employing the same developmental guidelines in the V&A that other developers have to under go around the rest of the city. Why should people who develop there not have to follow the exact same criteria as everyone else??? what they are doing is the correct thing and should have been implemented long ago. Yes no one likes to see development stifled, but everyone needs to play on the same playing field, the V&A cant be treated uniquely
Mo Rush January 15th, 2005, 12:36 PM maybe they shud receive some privileges for bring in so much tourism into south africa
SA BOY January 16th, 2005, 07:03 AM BUT if you read carefully what they said, all the city is doing is employing the same developmental guidelines in the V&A that other developers have to under go around the rest of the city. Why should people who develop there not have to follow the exact same criteria as everyone else??? what they are doing is the correct thing and should have been implemented long ago. Yes no one likes to see development stifled, but everyone needs to play on the same playing field, the V&A cant be treated uniquely
I disagree, an iconic large scale development needs special powers of approval and fast track mechinisims to deliver. red tape and beuracracy dont work in developers favor and many time forces them to look elese where and invest in other places.
If CT is to remain the eminent waterfront in the country then it needs to continue with the special powers of zoning/approval as it had when it started.
Durban for example has a fast track section in the town planning dept dedicated for the point development and those developments are taking half as long to be approved and have higher height restrictions than the CBD in order to attract investment.
It took 20 years for the point to finally happen and it was all due to infighting between the city/portnet/transnet. Now a single authority has the final and only say in matters.
I work for a developer and belive me you want to invest and develop in a development friendly enviroment not some NIMBY council
clive330 January 18th, 2005, 11:19 PM C'mon we want some shiny (and interesting!) new stuff in the CBD. Stuff these suburban office parks.
Mo Rush January 19th, 2005, 08:54 AM C'mon we want some shiny (and interesting!) new stuff in the CBD. Stuff these suburban office parks.
I aGREe
SYDNEY January 19th, 2005, 10:55 AM ^^^ Ditto .... we must also remember that Cape Town's "wonderful" mayor is also on the hunt for vacant land - and we all know what that means, so my guess is that developers/investors are racing to grab (and build) land as quick as possible.
Mo Rush January 19th, 2005, 11:06 AM our stupid fat mayor
hsark January 25th, 2005, 09:18 AM hey gandalf where are all those projects updates u had of the new buildings in the cbd?? would lov to see more of them
SYDNEY January 25th, 2005, 09:23 AM hey gandalf where are all those projects updates u had of the new buildings in the cbd?? would lov to see more of them
Soon ... very soon ;)
hsark January 25th, 2005, 09:38 AM understandable i've had my far share of probs with those streetkids but last year our mayor said they would be all of the streets HaHaHa more lies [:(
here some updates of the alantica you to admit this is quite cool and very modern in design very "dubai" like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06537.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06534.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06764.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06768.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06763.jpg
here the tallest building in the strand topaz they've just started construction on this baby
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC_0041.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC_0064.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06773.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC06631.jpg
SA BOY January 25th, 2005, 11:29 AM Topaz has got to be the ugliest building U/C in SA at the moment, it looks like a falt panel with an enema stuck to the side. Yuk
datilguy January 26th, 2005, 01:31 AM I like the atlantica. Very bold.
SYDNEY January 26th, 2005, 07:09 PM Topaz has got to be the ugliest building U/C in SA at the moment, it looks like a falt panel with an enema stuck to the side. Yuk
More like a douche bag ... GROSS MAN :) Anyways I like it. It is cutting edge and very brave for The Strand. When it is completed I think that you will begin to like it.
Pule January 28th, 2005, 08:54 AM I just hope that the local government will impose a law that stipulates the fact that when one receives a house, he/she should never ever put a shack next to it.
SA BOY January 28th, 2005, 10:23 AM I just hope that the local government will impose a law that stipulates the fact that when one receives a house, he/she should never ever put a shack next to it.
or sell it 5 min after taking ownership for a profit and then want another house
hsark January 30th, 2005, 12:48 PM here some really nice pics i found on the net taken by a guy called Damien du Toit the downtown cape town at night
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC01175.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC01180.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC03285.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00053.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00829.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00824.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC000612.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00830.jpg
www.coda.co.za
SA BOY January 30th, 2005, 02:17 PM nice, but a bit old if the CICC is still under construction?
datilguy January 31st, 2005, 04:59 PM Beautiful pics. But I cant stand the holiday inn building in that first pic. Looks like it came straight from Las Vegas.
SYDNEY January 31st, 2005, 05:58 PM I love the night shots, a little out-dated but gr8 :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00829.jpg
hsark February 1st, 2005, 02:32 PM hey dont think this would have a hong kong feel with the harbour in the backround, if they turned back on the billboard on the sanlam centre and we had a bit more highrise like around eurocape area and long street :)defiantly potential:)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC03285.jpg
Mo Rush February 1st, 2005, 06:09 PM QUESTION : jacques rogge mentioned that a requirement to host the olympic games wouldbe 30,000 hotel rooms, this could be easily achieved for cape town using 22,000 rooms on cruise liners, but i dont like the idea of cruise liners as they sugges that the host city is weak candidate and will bring in cruise liners as it cannot deal with the influx of so many visitors, in 1997 cap town had around 19, 000 hotel rooms this of course did not include guest houses and other forms of accomodation, does anyone know wherei could find a breakdown of the acomodation in cape town and compared to 1997 what does the hotel rooms total look like now, for natural reasons and for the property boom in cape town this figure should be up, the sheraton,holiday inn, the cullinan all increase this figure so are there aroudn 30,000 hotel rooms today i think its imperative that cape town moves closer to the 30,000 mark when it bids as this would impress the IOC
Pule February 4th, 2005, 10:00 AM The Banty
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/lifestyles/images/thebantry/header_02.jpg
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/lifestyles/images/thebantry/deck.jpg
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/lifestyles/images/thebantry/night-view.jpg
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/lifestyles/images/thebantry/03exterior.jpg
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/lifestyles/images/thebantry/interior1_lrg.jpg
http://www.pamgolding.co.za/lifestyles/images/thebantry/interior2_lrg.jpg
A new development to be constructed in Cape Town’s beachfront suburb of Bantry Bay, - described as one of the most prestigious pieces of property to come onto the market in years – a private and luxurious enclave for the country’s elite.
The 17-unit development is to be constructed on the site of three beachfront homes and will provide luxury living, excellent security, privacy and stunning views, jutting right over the rocks for a sense of living just above the waves. Every unit will be remarkable in its own right, with a sense of pampered luxury and glorious outdoor living, maximized by the enormous terraces.
This is the last site available for development in Bantry Bay, and will be the first new block on the water itself in many years.
Priced from R11,5 - R25 million, the three- and four-bedroomed apartments will feature top international finishes, spacious layouts, and massive outdoor living areas – some with decks as big as 258sqm. Every unit will have its own generous rimflow pool, while the wide frontage of the north-facing living areas will ensure maximum enjoyment of the Cape sunshine and the beautiful ocean views.
Designed by leading architects Stefan Antoni and Dennis Fabian, the apartments will be wind-free and very quiet, with finishes of the very best international standard. At between 277 and 600sqm in total, they will be larger than some stand-alone plots in the area.
Pule February 4th, 2005, 10:22 AM The demand for inner-city living space has spurred the start of another development in Cape Town.
Leisure Development is to convert the Medical Centre on the corner of Heerengracht and Hans Strijdom avenue into a four-star hotel and apartments in a R30-million project.
Tenders for the work have been invited with the closing date set for February 11.
"Construction will begin by mid-March to the end of March and completion is expected by November 1, this year," said Leisure Development project manager Mike Smith.
This will be the company's third inner city development; it completed Perspectives in Roeland street last year and 32 apartments in Loop street in 2002.
"We are planning more, but no deals have been signed yet," said Smith.
Fountain Suites and Apartments will have parking on the basement, first and second floors of the building.
The hotel reception area, a gymnasium and swimming pool will be on the ground floor.
The 160 rooms of the four star hotel will be on floors three to six and the next four floors will each have 15 apartments with either one, two or three bedrooms.
A steel framed structure, is to be added to the top of the building.
This new level will house ten penthouses.
Pule February 4th, 2005, 01:54 PM St. Topes, Cape Town
http://www.homenet-harbourisland.co.za/development/slides/slide1.jpg
http://www.homenet-harbourisland.co.za/development/slides/slide2.jpg
Idyllically situated on the outskirts of the quaint Cape Harbour village of Gordons Bay. Gordons Bay Waterfront (Harbour Island) is scenically wedged between the majestic Hottentots Holland mountains and the golden, sun-kissed beaches of False Bay...
Just 45 minutes from the commercial and cultural hub of South Africa's Mother City; 25 minutes from Cape Town International Airport and 10 minutes from the Cape winelands and fruit routes.
Millionaires playground.
Yachtsmen's paradise.
The Islands of St. Tropez offers the best of both worlds - a slice of Cape tradition spiced with a taste of the Mediterranean
Mo Rush February 4th, 2005, 11:19 PM how many hotel rooms in cape town PLZ answer me!!
SYDNEY February 6th, 2005, 07:12 PM how many hotel rooms in cape town PLZ answer me!!
SWEETY ! - Get hold of Cape Town Tourism, they will have the answer for you but I am sure that we have enough rooms to satisfy any Olympic Committee.
dysan1 February 6th, 2005, 07:49 PM fill me in: has the claridges been put aside and the cape royale has taken its place? we bought a place in the royale, looks rather great
SYDNEY February 6th, 2005, 08:16 PM fill me in: has the claridges been put aside and the cape royale has taken its place? we bought a place in the royale, looks rather great
That's right - Claridges is now Cape Royale. The Claridges was supposed to be a 6 star hotel but then Sol revealed his plans for a 6 star hotel - there is only room for one and Sol always wins ;)
Pule February 7th, 2005, 11:12 AM Century City gets R130m car dealership lifestyle centres
A motor vehicle brand campus with Mercedes-Benz and Chrusler Jeep Lifestyle Centres is to be built at Century City at a cost of R130 million.
The centres, which will serve the Western Cape, are among the first in a global rollout of new-look dealerships and service centres providing a lifestyle experience for existing and aspirational Mercedes-Benz and Chrysler Jeep drivers.
The centres are destined to become the hub from where the majority of new Mercedes-Benz and Chrusler Jeep sales in the Western Cape will take place.
The high visibility 30 000m2 site has been acquired at Century City for the 7 800m2 Mercedes-Benz centre and the 4 700m2 Chrysler Jeep centre. The lifestyle centres will provide full blown dealerships with showrooms for new and premium pre-owned motor vehicles on different lifestyle floors, boutique retails shops offering Mercedes-Benz and Chrylser Jeep branded merchandise and related sporting and lifestyle goods, and entertainment areas for children.
It is envisaged that the centres will stage a host of events that fit the lifestyle profiles of Mercedes-Benz and Chrysler Jeep drivers, from musical concerts, art exhibitions, cocktail parties, club functions, fashion shows, conferences, lectures and training workshops.
Bistros around the canal, start and finish areas for cycle and road running races, weekend meeting areas for cycle and running clubs and mooring for canoes, are all included in the concept.
Construction of the centres started this week and is due to be completed early 2006.
Jozsef Pelyhe, project manager for Daimler Chrysler, said Century City had been chosen for the centres in the Western Cape as it is well positioned to serve the region and the Century City brand complemented the Mercedes-Benz and Chrysler Jeep brands.
In total, five lifestyle centres for Mercedes-Benz and Chrysler Jeep have been planned for South Africa. One at Canal Walk, one at Umhlanga Rocks, Kwazulu Natal, and three in Gauteng. The first centre in the world opens in Umhlanga Rocks on Wednesday. This will be followed by centres in Cologne, Milan, London and Paris next year.
SA BOY February 7th, 2005, 12:46 PM Umhlanga the first in the world for something, Bring it ON!!!!!
Pule February 7th, 2005, 03:21 PM Dysan, please try to get us Umhlanga pictures. I once saw a nice Umhlanga bridge picture from one of my friend's magazine.
dysan1 February 7th, 2005, 06:31 PM will do so pule. But to add to what SA BOY said, finally a first happens in umhlanga. The umhlanga complex is amazing. Maybe the grnd opening is on wednesday, but the showrooms and stores opened in dec 2004. Ours is however much bigger than the others planned, for it houses mercedes, chrysler, jeep, mitshubishi, smart and even has a maybagh on show at the moment. wow is she beautiful!!!
On the picture front, i will gt some more umhlanga pics. My dads company actually did the lighting on the bridge, so i can get loads of details on it. will keep you posted...
ps those ct update pics are fab gandalf
SYDNEY February 7th, 2005, 06:46 PM will do so pule. But to add to what SA BOY said, finally a first happens in umhlanga. The umhlanga complex is amazing. Maybe the grnd opening is on wednesday, but the showrooms and stores opened in dec 2004. Ours is however much bigger than the others planned, for it houses mercedes, chrysler, jeep, mitshubishi, smart and even has a maybagh on show at the moment. wow is she beautiful!!!
On the picture front, i will gt some more umhlanga pics. My dads company actually did the lighting on the bridge, so i can get loads of details on it. will keep you posted...
ps those ct update pics are fab gandalf
Thank you now stop hijacking my Cape Town thread with 2nd rate Umhlanga stuff ;) ..... The CT Construction thread will be totally different when I am done, I have still got pages and pages to do ... updates have started on page 1 ....
hsark February 8th, 2005, 02:35 PM This is what happens when u hibernate from the cpt forum the durbnites just take over ps why are u updating old pages ??
hsark February 8th, 2005, 02:43 PM answer = make the thread more compact and leave space for new developments
Pule February 8th, 2005, 03:27 PM Thank you now stop hijacking my Cape Town thread with 2nd rate Umhlanga stuff ;) ..... The CT Construction thread will be totally different when I am done, I have still got pages and pages to do ... updates have started on page 1 ....
lol!!! 2nd rate Umhlanga stuff...
stu1300 February 8th, 2005, 09:52 PM i love your city
Harkeb February 9th, 2005, 03:01 PM Ive read a very interesting article the other day from leading urban planners about proposals for CT CBD redevelopment. It involved removing the present main railstation, and moving the mainstation and main transport node to the east (Saltriver station). The raillines would also be lifted, and would be replaced by a wide 'Ramblas'-style (in Barcelona) boulevard, flanked by residentials, street cafes and entertainment areas. The present station (on the west)would be converted into a main underground station. This station will be connected to the east node by an underground rail with substations. On the western end of the pedestrian boulevard, would be a landmark statue/fountain or 'Arc de Triomphe'-structure. Seeing that the present CBD is limited for expansion, a new CBD would be created in Saltriver, thus also aleviating the traffic congestion into the city.
Does anyone know whta I ma talking about and perhaps have more information on this?
I honestly hope that this proposal would be taken very seriously. For Cape Town to be taken seriously and ranked amongst the great cities of the world, it needs to think BIG! The problem with the South African mindset is that it's small...
For one: where are the skyscrapers (our tallest is a midget 30 floors high)? We need modern landmark towers. Also a huge city park with a zoo, or a waterfront park like Toronto's or Chicago's. Our port needs urgent expansion to 4 times its current size. Ships are clogging Table bay as they wait to be un/uploaded. Many companies prefer to use other ports as CT can't handle the demands, thus costing us hundreds of millions in lost revenue. Our current highway system is also very inadequate for commuter as well as harbour traffic. Ive read that due to traffic congestion on the city's roads, goods dont get on time to waiting ships. This is seriously putting the region's economy under threat. Without a proper functioning harbour, Cape Town will go bankrupt. And built a cruiseship terminal/port for Christ sake! The reason why cruiseships dont come this way, is simply because we cannot accomodate them. Its like a city without an airport, that dumps its travellers at a military base!! Cruiseliner passengers are in any case bigger spenders than those coming in by air. Are we serious about attracting tourists, or what?
An idea of my own: built a whole new international airport on Robben Island! If its too small, refill like Osaka did! Connect this with a spectacular oversea causeway from Bloubergstrand. If an airport doesn't sound good, turn the island into a mini Las Vegas Disneyland or Ibiza! Sentiment is fine and all, but we need to look at the future. We cant let the past hold us back.
Mo Rush February 9th, 2005, 06:18 PM Ive read a very interesting article the other day from leading urban planners about proposals for CT CBD redevelopment. It involved removing the present main railstation, and moving the mainstation and main transport node to the east (Saltriver station). The raillines would also be lifted, and would be replaced by a wide 'Ramblas'-style (in Barcelona) boulevard, flanked by residentials, street cafes and entertainment areas. The present station (on the west)would be converted into a main underground station. This station will be connected to the east node by an underground rail with substations. On the western end of the pedestrian boulevard, would be a landmark statue/fountain or 'Arc de Triomphe'-structure. Seeing that the present CBD is limited for expansion, a new CBD would be created in Saltriver, thus also aleviating the traffic congestion into the city.
Does anyone know whta I ma talking about and perhaps have more information on this?
I honestly hope that this proposal would be taken very seriously. For Cape Town to be taken seriously and ranked amongst the great cities of the world, it needs to think BIG! The problem with the South African mindset is that it's small...
For one: where are the skyscrapers (our tallest is a midget 30 floors high)? We need modern landmark towers. Also a huge city park with a zoo, or a waterfront park like Toronto's or Chicago's. Our port needs urgent expansion to 4 times its current size. Ships are clogging Table bay as they wait to be un/uploaded. Many companies prefer to use other ports as CT can't handle the demands, thus costing us hundreds of millions in lost revenue. Our current highway system is also very inadequate for commuter as well as harbour traffic. Ive read that due to traffic congestion on the city's roads, goods dont get on time to waiting ships. This is seriously putting the region's economy under threat. Without a proper functioning harbour, Cape Town will go bankrupt. And built a cruiseship terminal/port for Christ sake! The reason why cruiseships dont come this way, is simply because we cannot accomodate them. Its like a city without an airport, that dumps its travellers at a military base!! Cruiseliner passengers are in any case bigger spenders than those coming in by air. Are we serious about attracting tourists, or what?
An idea of my own: built a whole new international airport on Robben Island! If its too small, refill like Osaka did! Connect this with a spectacular oversea causeway from Bloubergstrand. If an airport doesn't sound good, turn the island into a mini Las Vegas Disneyland or Ibiza! Sentiment is fine and all, but we need to look at the future. We cant let the past hold us back.
ive been saying go UNDERGROUND and go big but people never really listened!! im a big thinker so vote for me for mayor!! ill be running in years to come first want to get my degree...
Mo Rush February 9th, 2005, 10:29 PM i LUV IT i cant imagine how great cape town would be in 2010!!!!! although a few skyscrapers would not hurt the skyline!!!
Go new buildings, go new investments in transport , and bigger investment in security, its a high crime country, dammit invest more in security then!!!!!
athens spent about 1.3-1.6 billion on olympic security i think sydney hosted the olympics on this budget alone, although the amount seems sky high, i think its only logical that in a high crime country that security be a big part of our budget..
Mo Rush February 10th, 2005, 01:11 AM I dream that CALATRAVA or some genius architect will redesign cape town train station!!!
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http://www.*************/architects/calatrava/liege/3.Calatrava-Liege.jpg
http://www.*************/architects/calatrava/liege/2.Calatrava-Liege.jpg
http://www.calatrava.com/slides/alameda_station_04.jpg
Pule February 10th, 2005, 07:08 AM That's a very nice design Mo Rush, but haven't you guys got a the architectural design of the CT train station and the new Stadium for 2010?
I must say that the posting in this thread have inspired me and after a long time, I am now experiencing the hype of Gandalf. Keep posting brother, I'm glad you back with the hit.
Are there any development plans for Robbin Island and how is the N2 project progressing?
Sally_Lemon February 10th, 2005, 12:33 PM I stumbled upon this thread while doing a search about the muizenberg redevelopment – does anyone here have any more information?
The final proposal that was submitted to council is available for download on www.muizenberg.info but that was the last of it I’ve seen.
If anyone has any more info on what Dormell is up to i'd be happy to hear it.
Thanks
Sally
Harkeb February 10th, 2005, 04:51 PM Investment anytime. However I have a problem with all these luxury, exclusive lowrise apartment blocks.
Firstly, this country has been exclusive to a minority for far too long. The city centre is now being transformed into a live- and playground for the rich only. These wonderful apartment blocks mean nothing to the minority of Capetonians living out on the sand dunes far out of the city! Why cant the poor and average salary earning person being brought into the city? I say built highrise blocks of flats/apartments in the Culemborg and old district 6 areas for these people. This will make the city more representable of and acceptable to the nation, and get rid of the 'little europe' stigma. What's freaking alarming, is that wealthy foreigners buy into our cultural areas like Bo-Kaap, and bloody complain about the muslim prayers or our people's way of life! Cultural areas should stay in local hands.
Secondly, no more CBD properties should be sold for rich-only apartment blocks and for office blocks less than 20 storeys. These developments should be moved to the city periphery. We need a proper skyline.
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Mo Rush February 10th, 2005, 11:38 PM WHAT CAPE TOWN NEEDS: STRETCHNG FROM THE CITY TO BLOUBERG so less traffic on the N1!!!
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Mo Rush February 10th, 2005, 11:52 PM http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/cooper_river/images/image-3.jpg
http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/cooper_river/images/image-4.jpg
Mo Rush February 12th, 2005, 11:08 PM # Projects under construction or just completed include: The Waterfront's Clocktower Precinct with 5000m of retail space (R850m). The establishment of a full tourism service at the Clocktower Precinct will complement the full-service Cape Town Tourism Centre.
# Investec's new regional headquarters (R100m)
# The Waterfront Residential Marina (R1.3b)
# Mediterranean Shipping's new regional headquarters (R70m)
# Cape Town International Convention Centre (R500m)
# Roggebaai Canal Tourism Precinct (R35m) - this development will yield intergration with the CBD, which in turn will help to establish a seamless shopping and retail experience.
Projects planned include:
# The Cape Town Harbour Syncro-lift redevelopment (R2b)
# The Cape Town Station redevelopment (R1b)
# The West Quay Offices in the Waterfront (R50m)
# An office development in Strand Street (R200m)
# Refurbishment of Shell House.
Further potential investment includes:
# Northern Forshore - an amount of R5.5m has been applied for to stimulate development of the area next to Naspers, which is jointly owned with the City.
# R70-million will be spent on refurbishing the Civic Centre, demonstrating the Unicity's commitment to the CBD.
# R56-million has been applied for to improve transport infrastructure and links on the foreshore.
# Power Station site - continued development of the power station and surrounding sites on the Foreshore.
Other developments and projects in the city include:
# The outsourcing of the management of the historic Company's Garden to the Partnership has been approved and will come into effect on 1 September 2001.
# Management of kerbside parking in the CBD by the Partnership will commence in September 2001.
# The proposed inner city light rail transport system.
clive330 February 14th, 2005, 05:28 AM Filthy Cape arrival berth 'an embarrassment'
Igsaan Salie
January 09 2005 at 05:23PM
Cape Town prides itself on being one of the world's top tourist cities - but passengers arriving on luxury ocean liners are greeted by unsightly industrial warehouses and a smelly, oil-stained arrival berth in Table Bay harbour.
The harbour does not have berths designed and suited to passenger liners. Large liners have to dock at merchant berths where visitors are greeted by industrial sheds and the smells and dirt of a working quay.
The situation is somewhat better at the Victoria & Alfred Waterfront, but berthing facilities there are suitable only for smaller ships.
The mega cruise ships are too big to squeeze into the V&A Waterfront and have to dock in the main harbour, Duncan Dock, more often than not.
The situation is somewhat better at the Victoria & Alfred Waterfront
Capetonian Mary Munro said she recently had to experience this unsightly and unfortunate Cape Town farewell when she left with her husband aboard the Pacific Princess cruise liner in October on a four-week cruise to Mauritius, Reunion and Australia.
"I was shocked by the 'terminal building' at E dock. We were amazed to find a bleak, draughty warehouse with a few African curios laid out for sale, a long queue of passengers and, in a
corner of the building, a porta loo," she said.
To add to her misery, Munro said, it was pouring with rain that day and they were provided with no protection.
"To board the ship, we had to walk in the pouring rain, across the quayside, through the puddles and up the gangway."
She said she was ashamed and embarrassed to be a Capetonian as she boarded with close to 300 American fellow passengers.
"We were ashamed of what our foreign tourists must be thinking of this disgraceful arrangement in a city of the stature of Cape Town.
"In every Australian port there was a proper terminal building, with toilet facilities, attractive goods for sale and a covered gangway leading from the ship into the terminal building, not to mention a band that sent us on our way."
Calvyn Gilfellan, Cape Town Routes Unlimited's executive manager for visitor and membership services, said the state of the harbour's reception terminal had not been brought to their attention.
He stressed that it was important to give cruise ship visitors the best possible service.
"They form an impression of the entire destination from the moment that they walk off the ship and if it is not up to standard it can leave a bad taste in a visitor's mouth," he said.
Mandisa Motha, corporate affairs manager of the National Ports Authority, said there were long-term plans and discussions to address the issue of cruise liners docking in merchant berths.
The discussions between the ports authority, the city and several role players had looked at providing a berth for larger passenger vessels.
"The cargo terminals are being used at the moment and we do not have a passenger terminal at all. We have just had to accommodate them wherever we can," she said.
Motha said that there were implications of developing a passenger terminal for larger cruise vessels, the most important being where the funding would come from.
"The National Ports Authority is committed to the advancement of tourism in the city and we would support any initiative in that regard," she said.
SA BOY February 14th, 2005, 06:08 AM what happened to the world class passenger terminal that was due to be built???
SYDNEY February 14th, 2005, 07:56 AM 56 SHORTMARKET STREET (COMMERCIAL), GREENMARKET SQUARE, DOWNTOWN CAPE TOWN:
A 8 storey building will be renovated and turned into A grade office space. I need to scan the rendering .. stay tuned.
SYDNEY February 14th, 2005, 08:09 AM Projects under construction or just completed include:
# COMPLETED - The Waterfront's Clocktower Precinct with 5000m of retail space (R850m). The establishment of a full tourism service at the Clocktower Precinct will complement the full-service Cape Town Tourism Centre.
# COMPLETED - Investec's new regional headquarters (R100m)
# UNDER CONSTRUCTION - The Waterfront Residential Marina (R1.3b)
# COMPLETED - Mediterranean Shipping's new regional headquarters (R70m)
# COMPLETED - Cape Town International Convention Centre (R500m)
# ON HOLD - Roggebaai Canal Tourism Precinct (R35m) - this development :
# COMPLETED - The Cape Town Harbour Syncro-lift redevelopment (R2b)
# AWAITING APPROVAL - The Cape Town Station redevelopment (R1b)
# COMPLETED (BP HQ) - The West Quay Offices in the Waterfront (R50m)
# UNDER CONSTRUCTION - An office development in Strand Street (R200m)
# COMPLETED - Refurbishment of Shell House.
# UNDER CONSTRUCTION (BROADWAY BOULEVARD) - Northern Forshore - an amount of R5.5m has been applied for to stimulate development of the area next to Naspers, which is jointly owned with the City.
# COMPLETED - R70-million will be spent on refurbishing the Civic Centre, demonstrating the Unicity's commitment to the CBD.
# UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Power Station site - continued development of the power station and surrounding sites on the Foreshore.
# COMPLETED - Management of kerbside parking in the CBD by the Partnership will commence in September 2001.
# THE MAYOR TERMINATED THIS PROJECT - The proposed inner city light rail transport system.
# THE MAYOR TERMINATED THIS PROJECT - R56-million has been applied for to improve transport infrastructure and links on the foreshore.
# THE MAYOR TERMNATED THIS PROJECT - The outsourcing of the management of the historic Company's Garden to the Partnership has been approved and will come into effect on 1 September 2001.
# THE MAYOR TERMINATED THIS PROJECT - International Arrival / Departure terminal for Passenger Cruise Liners.
The money intended for the above-mentioned projects will be used for low cost housing projects - N2 GATEWAY PROJECT .... The buses that were bought for the inner city (links to the foreshore) have been sitting in a depot for years now and will be used in the townships around Kraaifontein. The Mayor terminated the Gardens Project because the CID Partnership were going to forcibly remove vagrants and street children from the Gardens to make it safe for tourists and citizens alike - of course she didn't like that idea.
NOTE that the Roggebaai Canal project is also ON HOLD - the money for this has been diverted to The N2 Gateway. Have you noticed all the litter piling up along the roads ??? well, the money intended for cleansing is also now being used for the N2 Gateway Project (votes are more important).
SA BOY February 14th, 2005, 10:53 AM im not a big fan of gren market square, too many zambian,nigerian something-n guys selling the same old crap. It should be formalized and more greenery brought into the centre. It feels like a bunch of spaza shops built out of what ever was lying around.
SYDNEY February 14th, 2005, 11:05 AM im not a big fan of gren market square, too many zambian,nigerian something-n guys selling the same old crap. It should be formalized and more greenery brought into the centre. It feels like a bunch of spaza shops built out of what ever was lying around.
People have been complaining about it for years and The CID have also tried to take Greenmarket Square under their wings but they mayor turns a deaf ear. Gardens, Greenmarket Square and the Central Station are under the control of the city council - strange that these are all the problem areas.
SYDNEY February 16th, 2005, 04:49 PM :)
sa-dreamer February 17th, 2005, 01:19 AM YAY!
Omg, I was JUST about to ask you to talk about CBD stuff more often!
And you come and surprise me! Lol! Thanks Gandalf...
ps. wouldn't you say that CapeTown already has the most modern CBD?
clive330 February 17th, 2005, 01:38 AM Sandton must be the most modern CBD as nothing there pre-dates 1985 or something and is still building rapidly.
However out of the traditional CBDs, I am sure CTN is way more modern as Durban and Joburg have barely started redeveloping.
sa-dreamer February 17th, 2005, 01:48 AM Oh yes, if you consider Sandton... I forgot completely, I suppose I still think of it as a suburb! Shame on me!
SYDNEY February 17th, 2005, 07:08 AM I consider Sandton to be one big office park - no high street shopping etc. but technically it does qualify as a CBD. Out of the traditional Downtown's, Cape Town will be the most modern due to the fact that the city centre can't grow (no land available) so we have to keep re-inventing the city centre and modernising the old - which is starting to happen. I also like the fact that additional floors are being added to all these "upgrades".
joburg February 17th, 2005, 09:39 AM I agree with Gandalf. Sandton is just a big unattractive suburban office park. I think we can say that the most alive CBD is Cape Town, with Durban starting to follow closely behind. That's not to say Joburg isn't developing - Joburg is just more suburban development though. Office Blocks spring up like mushrooms, and just add to all the gridlock!
Speaking of gridlock, you guys must pick up a copy of (I think) the Financial Mail. They had an article about how Joburg is already gridlocked and will get progressively worse unless something is done. Our roads are horrendous, our electric grid is shocking, and the sewage system is getting old. When Gauteng becomes one big mega-city, this place is going to be a mess.
The development is wild and out of control. Developers are building more and more houses on the outskirts of Joburgs, but aren't building the required infrastructure to support this urban sprawl. For instance, the Kyalami housing estate is being built in Midrand. Guess what connects this estate and the motorway? A two-lane road full of potholes. Then you get the motorway, which is becomming even more clogged up because of this sprawl.
It's ridiculous - I say kudos to Cape Town for keeping the inner city alive!
sa-dreamer February 17th, 2005, 01:27 PM Yah, Johannesburg needs to end the sprawl.
I know that Toronto has started a program to create downtowns for all its surrounding suburbs, and to focus on desprawling. I hope Joburg starts to do this... I wonder if Joburg could wait until they sort out some bigger problems, but I doubt the city can wait...
hsark February 17th, 2005, 03:26 PM the inner city+inner joburg revival needs more momentum to stop this sprawl,coz whats stops companies opening offices in midrand than sandton apart from the jse
datilguy February 17th, 2005, 04:00 PM CT certainly has the most vibrant and modern downtown already. GREAT for CT!! Hopefully Joburg can do something about the sprawl. ABQ is like one of the most sprawling cities in North America. Average commute is about an hour and they build thousands of thousands of houses each year. Luckily we have done a rejuvenation project and our downtown was voted best in US in 2002. Uptown is currently being refurbished and a new downtown (stadiums, skyscrapers and all) is being built from scratch in Rio Rancho, ABQ's largest suburb.
SYDNEY February 17th, 2005, 06:40 PM CT certainly has the most vibrant and modern downtown already. GREAT for CT!! Hopefully Joburg can do something about the sprawl. ABQ is like one of the most sprawling cities in North America. Average commute is about an hour and they build thousands of thousands of houses each year. Luckily we have done a rejuvenation project and our downtown was voted best in US in 2002. Uptown is currently being refurbished and a new downtown (stadiums, skyscrapers and all) is being built from scratch in Rio Rancho, ABQ's largest suburb.
It sounds fantastic - have u got any links for our perusal ?
clive330 February 17th, 2005, 10:39 PM I agree with Gandalf. Sandton is just a big unattractive suburban office park. I think we can say that the most alive CBD is Cape Town, with Durban starting to follow closely behind. That's not to say Joburg isn't developing - Joburg is just more suburban development though. Office Blocks spring up like mushrooms, and just add to all the gridlock!
Speaking of gridlock, you guys must pick up a copy of (I think) the Financial Mail. They had an article about how Joburg is already gridlocked and will get progressively worse unless something is done. Our roads are horrendous, our electric grid is shocking, and the sewage system is getting old. When Gauteng becomes one big mega-city, this place is going to be a mess.
The development is wild and out of control. Developers are building more and more houses on the outskirts of Joburgs, but aren't building the required infrastructure to support this urban sprawl. For instance, the Kyalami housing estate is being built in Midrand. Guess what connects this estate and the motorway? A two-lane road full of potholes. Then you get the motorway, which is becomming even more clogged up because of this sprawl.
It's ridiculous - I say kudos to Cape Town for keeping the inner city alive!
Although I am sure it is quite annoying to experience this in person, it certainly all sounds exciting from the other side of the world. Definite BOOM times with development far outstripping infrastructure. The only way for their to be any way of keeping supply abreast of demand is to privatise, so bringing in hundreds of billions of rands of extra infrastructure money.
Most prices will and should rise, which will create profit a potential - resulting in more, and more rapidly deployed private infrastructure; while limiting extreme speculative property development. Its no accident that SA is running out of electricity capacity - it has some of the cheapest power in the world.
SA BOY February 18th, 2005, 05:53 AM [QUOTE=gandalf33]The Mother City's tourist hub is up for grabs:
February 17 2005 at 03:51PM
The V&A Waterfront development - one of South Africa's top tourist attractions - is up for sale, Public Enterprises Minister Alec Erwin said in parliament on Thursday.
"We intend disposing of the V&A," Erwin told journalists at a parliamentary briefing. The precise terms were before the Transnet board, which did not see it as a core asset to Transnet, which owns the V&A.
The sale was part of the government's policy of selling off all non-core businesses. These include housing books (loans), plastic and protein manufacturing companies, business-to-business software companies and "assets in Cape Town harbour", he said.
Ill get my cheque book, do you think they will take a post dated one for say 2099???
clive330 February 18th, 2005, 06:04 AM This investment might be beyond even SA Boy's immense resources ;)
SYDNEY February 18th, 2005, 06:27 AM Black Elite Empowerment may only apply
datilguy February 18th, 2005, 06:54 AM Gandalf-you respond! :)
I'll check around ok buddie.
datilguy February 18th, 2005, 07:03 AM The website for downtown, like EVERYTHING else in ABQ is u/c. It is downtownabq.com
so hopefully it will be up and running soon. If anyone is interested in numbers and figures i will post them in the shebeen. Also still looking for Rio Rancho downtown site.
sa-dreamer February 18th, 2005, 11:58 PM Gandalf :(, is there any site from which I can easily garner information about Downtown CapeTown developments all at my fingertips ;) ?
That would be neat, and there are a few (maybe around four) projects in Downtown CapeTown that I want more info on!!!
Nick in Atlanta February 19th, 2005, 06:27 AM @SA Dreamer: I asked you on the Toronto forum whether SA stood for South Africa and you said no. Just wondering why? Do you feel bad for being from SA? I was born in Jo'burg, but my family moved to the US in 1974. I don't have an accent, but I freely tell people that I'm from SA. Nobody really cares. :)
hsark February 19th, 2005, 07:25 AM i also thought it meant sa = south afirca - come on bru what aren't u telling us ?
datilguy February 19th, 2005, 04:00 PM i also thought it meant sa=south africa
dysan1 February 19th, 2005, 04:20 PM if it doesnt, what does it stand for?
sa-dreamer February 19th, 2005, 11:15 PM Gandalf :(, is there any site from which I can easily garner information about Downtown CapeTown developments all at my fingertips ;) ?
That would be neat, and there are a few (maybe around four) projects in Downtown CapeTown that I want more info on!!!
Just reposting for when I see Gandalf next!
SYDNEY February 21st, 2005, 01:05 PM Just reposting for when I see Gandalf next!
Unfortunately not - you would think that The City of Cape Town or The Central Improvement District will host something like that but alas - NO ! I get all my info from the newspapers and individual sites - sorry :)
Capetonian February 21st, 2005, 02:22 PM Gandalf & Co.
Does anyone have any renderings of the new Mountain Mill shopping mall going up in Worcester?
Caisson Boy February 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM Meanwhile, here in the United Kingdom there was a very flattering article in this week's Estates Gazette about the redevelopment and rehabilitation of Cape Town CBD, with lots of mention of the CID, the Yach brothers, the takeover of Broll and Irish investment in landmark developments such as Mandela Rhodes Place, etc. It gives an extremely rosy description of the decline in crime in the CBD and the innovativeness of new local developments. All of this with the hook "The crime now is not to invest in property in Cape Town". Cape Town is described as a very sound investment opportunity with the added Wow Factor, great bars, hotels, office space and fantastic residential property as well. Some fab pictures too. Sounds great. The only negative thing was concern that there are too many golf courses - something like 46 in the stretch from Cape Town to Fancourt, all using up 2 million litres of water per day. Madness.
clive330 February 21st, 2005, 11:21 PM SA Boy - how big is the V&A compared with Sydney's Darling habour?
My impression is that the V&A was somewhat bigger - but had been a fair while since I have been in CTN.
Anyway, even R5b does NOT sound like that much money for such a huge and popular development with an international profile...
dysan1 February 21st, 2005, 11:26 PM it sounds like a tiny amount! But then again the v&a isnt really that big. i personally dont find that there is really that much there. its basically the victoria whalf mall and a few little sprinklings.
dysan1 February 21st, 2005, 11:29 PM i think the developers in the cape have gone god damn mad with the golf courses. i was watching a program on tv the other nite which highlighted the tremendous damage they are doing to the cape coast that will chase away animals, damage the indigioness plant life and erode the coast. they said that many areas previously visited by tourists are now part of private estates and as such are damaging the tourist industry.
personally think what they are doing is disgusting and thank god its not happening in natal
sa-dreamer February 22nd, 2005, 01:34 AM *AHEM* Kwazulu-Natal ;) Sorry, I couldn't resist!
SA BOY February 22nd, 2005, 06:01 AM SA Boy - how big is the V&A compared with Sydney's Darling habour?
My impression is that the V&A was somewhat bigger - but had been a fair while since I have been in CTN.
Anyway, even R5b does NOT sound like that much money for such a huge and popular development with an international profile...
Darling harbour has i mall esq type building called Harbour walk-limited retail(t shirt shops, music etc) no food and many restureants around 20, Id say its about 25000m2, then you have Cockle bay -30 resturants with office above, Kings street wharf 5 story mixed use buildings with resturants another 20 id say with lofts and offices abouve.
Its about a 10th the size of the V&A but attracts millions per year. It has no working harbour component but is right in the city, literally office block back on to it.
The V&A is awesome compared to what I have seen else whre but every time I go there it feels incomplete (area behind parking is dust) vacent plots nexxt to the BMW pavillion etc
SYDNEY February 22nd, 2005, 06:24 AM Only 26% of the V & A is being sold.
clive330 February 22nd, 2005, 07:38 AM Its about a 10th the size of the V&A but attracts millions per year. It has no working harbour component but is right in the city, literally office block back on to it.
The V&A is awesome compared to what I have seen else whre but every time I go there it feels incomplete (area behind parking is dust) vacent plots nexxt to the BMW pavillion etc
The city backdrop from Darling harbour is awesome. Thats why I have been clamering for that island development a couple of hundred metres into Durban harbour for about a million years.
If there are vacant lots - has development stopped? or was there just so much land originally set aside.
Capetonian February 22nd, 2005, 09:55 AM Only 26% of the V & A is being sold.
Good point! But if that is the case then the whole precinct should sell for about R20bn - still way under value, when one considers the cost of sectional title developments within it! Remember too that rentals for retail areas are linked directly to individual turnovers - so the money tree keeps growing!
dysan1 February 22nd, 2005, 10:07 AM The V&A is awesome compared to what I have seen else whre but every time I go there it feels incomplete (area behind parking is dust) vacent plots nexxt to the BMW pavillion etc
Yeah i've also always thought that. If you drive out of that back parking lot heading towards granger bay, there is rubble everywhere and empty plots. not that appealling. and its not cos of construction, cos its been like that for years and years.
And on the parking area issue, why has it not been spruced up? surely the land it is on is valuable? and it could be turned into a big multi-story parking garage like they are doing at ushaka in durbs. then the rest of the land can find other uses and complete the area
dysan1 February 22nd, 2005, 10:12 AM The city backdrop from Darling harbour is awesome. Thats why I have been clamering for that island development a couple of hundred metres into Durban harbour for about a million years.
What island site in durbs?
the one that wilsons whalf is on? or near the bat centre? or where cafe fish is?
Mo Rush February 22nd, 2005, 01:23 PM anyone like my idea for greenpoint in the olympic thread?
SYDNEY February 22nd, 2005, 02:13 PM ok
SA BOY February 22nd, 2005, 04:07 PM boys some news, I had meerings all week with an architect who is doing the new one and only in CT and he recons this is going to blow people away and the spa is on its own island in the harbour with stunning views. Resort will be 6 star and simmilar to the one here in Dubai. lucky buggers ......
clive330 February 22nd, 2005, 11:06 PM What island site in durbs?
the one that wilsons whalf is on? or near the bat centre? or where cafe fish is?
Do I remember you saying you go to UND (or whatever they call themselves now)? If you go the Architecture Library in the Shepstone building, they have the history of the dozens of great plans of upgrading Durbans docklands going back to (and I shit you not) about 1928. Of course no one got around to doing any of them.
One of them from the mid 90s was to build a complex of resort islands on the shallow part of the bay near the end of the yacht mole. They would be connected by some sort of pedestrian causeway and be full of (I guess) hotels, restaurants etc. Quite big and with a FANSTASTIC view of the VE skyline, which right now you can only really see from a boat.
dysan1 February 23rd, 2005, 02:15 PM wow sounds good. will go see!!!
Also i dont think that idea has been completely squashed. Have an architect mate who says that his firm is drawing plans for a new development in the area that encompasses the land that the yacht mole presently covers, for future use once the yachts all move to the new yacht mole at the point in 2010.
The plans include hotels and the like. And the plan is awaiting council approval at the moment. it is a council backed initiative
dysan1 February 23rd, 2005, 02:16 PM sorry ct for using your thread for durbs issues :)
SYDNEY February 23rd, 2005, 07:45 PM :)
dysan1 February 23rd, 2005, 09:24 PM grrrrr... bite me ass baby :)
hsark February 25th, 2005, 04:40 PM good to see back from hibernation Gandalf ...the durbnites(dysan, sa boy :P) hav just taken over the whole south africa forum and they hav the nerve of talking bout durbs in our forum :bash: !! unfair so I thought I should play camera man for a bit and give u hand
Yes some of this pics are a bit crap but I was taking them while I was in the car (“,) i take better ones next
ps gandalf ill send u these pics if u want them for the updates and remove em later
these are pics of the new commercial /apartements u/c in greenpoint
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right next to that is the new claridges development
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a few blocks down the road and the eclipse is going up
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its the building the backround guess its going to turn out to be a skyscraper :)
bloody tree got in the way
greenpoint main road is hot with development there more cranes 'n buildings u/c down the street but couldn't get there that day was in a hurry
this used to be a petrol station but there turing it in to something yummy i hope :)
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hsark February 25th, 2005, 05:19 PM same goes for this old building its going to be demolished soon
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on the other side of the street they just finished the new BP offices
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there also some really nice clubs and restaurants on the strip very upmarket thai restaurants news cafe , Giovanni the list goes on
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new waterfront apartements
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00117.jpg
in the distance another building is u/c
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habouredge is coming along nicely
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meanwhile a few blocks away the cbd is buzzing
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another crane swoops over the flashy foreshore :)
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next time i resize my pics oh ya dont know if any one saw the article in the cape times earler this week but the cape town cid wants to kick bad street kids out of the cbd and put them into homes ,, they'll be taking action soon YA!!!! even if our mayor likes little thugs(not all of them are though)
hsark February 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM same goes for this old building its going to be demolished soon
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00114.jpg
on the other side of the street they just finished the new BP offices
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00091.jpg
there also some really nice clubs and restaurants on the strip very upmarket thai restaurants news cafe , Giovanni the list goes on
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00102.jpg
new waterfront apartements
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00117.jpg
in the distance another building is u/c
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00105.jpg
habouredge is coming along nicely
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00122.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00121.jpg
meanwhile a few blocks away the cbd is buzzing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00118.jpg
another crane swoops over the flashy foreshore :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00124.jpg
next time ill resize my pics oh ya dont know if any one saw the article in the cape times earler this week but the cape town cid wants to kick bad street kids out of the cbd and put them into homes ,, they'll be taking action soon YA!!!! even if our mayor likes little thugs(not all of them are though)
dysan1 February 25th, 2005, 09:04 PM giving me some competion boy? hmmm? hehe bring it on baby! :) :)
But good going with the pics!!!
The new Durban pic thread will have plenty more by monday... (had to mention durban once more :) )
hsark February 26th, 2005, 11:58 AM SCOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BOARD SCOREEEEEEEEEEEEE BOARD lol the stormers beat the durban sharks last nite ..(had to mention durban once more :)) ill also try take sum pretty pics of the cpt foreshore to wipe that grin off ur face lol ^_^!
dysan1 February 26th, 2005, 12:09 PM hehehe, go for it baby :) And yeah the sharks aint that super at the mo, but your guys didnt play that well either!! Enjoy the trip on the road to nz and oz...maybe you wont lose all of them... :)
What grin on my face :)
datilguy February 26th, 2005, 05:17 PM Look at all the smiley faces! :) Great pictures! :) Sorry, I've always been a blue bulls fan. And by always I mean for the last 7 months. :) ...hehehehe
dysan1 February 27th, 2005, 04:29 PM shame you lost too then :)
datilguy February 27th, 2005, 04:45 PM Yah I know, hehehe. I've been chided about that already. I think the Stormers will become my new team! :)
datilguy February 28th, 2005, 02:59 AM What is being demolished for its place?
Mo Rush February 28th, 2005, 05:40 AM was at waterfront and greenpoint yesterday and its cool seeing all the construction sites and large cranes, i do think however that some more can be done to clean up that area and make the N1 leading into the city mroe attractive, maybe a few palm trees a few billboards, i mean this is the best city in africa so at least make it look like that...stupid mayor
Sally_Lemon February 28th, 2005, 11:57 AM Hi,
I posted a question some time back asking if anyone had any further knowledge of the Muizenberg Development project - I'm curious whether any work has begun. The PR machine was working very well - (as per the opening article on this forum).
I'd appreciate a respons to this.
By the way Gandalf, I love the pics you put of CT.
Thanks
S.
Capetonian February 28th, 2005, 02:57 PM Just for info, the purple building in Somerset Rd (used to be the 'Brown Sugar' backpackers) is not going to be demolished! It is being converted into a 7 room boutique hotel by the owners of a very successful local tour company, aimed specifically at the foreign businessman. That is why there is scaffolding all over it! Construction was delayed due to a slab that collapsed at the back of the building toward the end of last year. It is great to see some 'old gems' being restored rather than removed, as it tends to add a lot of character to the 'burbs'!
datilguy February 28th, 2005, 05:15 PM Hi Sally, Welcome. :) Sorry about the late resonse. I'm checking it out right now, and hopefully me or somebody else will have an update soon. Stay tuned.
SYDNEY February 28th, 2005, 06:16 PM Hi,
I posted a question some time back asking if anyone had any further knowledge of the Muizenberg Development project - I'm curious whether any work has begun. The PR machine was working very well - (as per the opening article on this forum).
I'd appreciate a respons to this.
By the way Gandalf, I love the pics you put of CT.
Thanks
S.
Welcome Darling and thanks for the compliments ;) I am sorry, it was not my intention to ignore you. I have heard nothing more regarding the Muizenburg project. It will probably take forever to get off the ground, just as the station upgrade etc is taking ages to be finalised.
I will let you know as soon as I hear something ... WELCOME and don't stay scarce.
datilguy February 28th, 2005, 06:37 PM I checked on the net, as Im sure you have. I couldnt find ANYTHING! Maybe Gandalf, Capetonian, or Hsark will have better luck (if your up for the challenge guys!) ;)
Sally_Lemon March 3rd, 2005, 02:43 PM Thanks for the responses - I know about the proposal that went to council - its available for download on www.muizenberg.info if you are interested - since then though there has been no more. That muizenberg web site also has a picture of the railway bridge being upgraded but thats about it - spose you are right Gandlaf it may take some time to get going.
hsark March 8th, 2005, 07:08 PM all though updates need some next pics to go with them heres what i ways able to take
NORTH WHARF:UPDATE 08 March 2005
The apartment hotel In the Heart of the Cape Town International Convention Centre (placed on small size of land for a building its size) the developers are doing great job
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/maindock.jpg
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hsark March 8th, 2005, 07:12 PM ill post sum more pics later in the week but do u guys think the images too big? shud i resize?
datilguy March 9th, 2005, 02:19 AM Hsark, I never have any troubles with the pictures u post. :)
hsark March 10th, 2005, 07:23 PM Icon
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Soho
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construction on the other projects seem to be at a advanced stage
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the napsters HQ is getting a repaint finally
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00190.jpg
wish they could do some thing with this eyesore yuk!(the brown building to the left)messy up the modern feel in the foreshore
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/hsark2/DSC00186.jpg
oh found this building dont know what it is any one got a idea?
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mike2005 March 10th, 2005, 07:41 PM Does anyone Know what the brown building with no windows is? My father told that it was the old HQ of the BOSS but that might be an urban myth?
Its great to see the buildings along Adderly Street getting a facelift. It was looking really crap a few years ago but now is looking much better.
Good to see my place of work in one of the photos of the foreshore :-)
dysan1 March 10th, 2005, 08:01 PM icon looks like it will be great... thought it had started tho
SYDNEY March 11th, 2005, 08:17 AM ;)
SYDNEY March 11th, 2005, 08:19 AM Does anyone Know what the brown building with no windows is? My father told that it was the old HQ of the BOSS but that might be an urban myth?
Its great to see the buildings along Adderly Street getting a facelift. It was looking really crap a few years ago but now is looking much better.
Good to see my place of work in one of the photos of the foreshore :-)
It is Telkom's central exchange building and it is there to stay. They have recently renovated it, I know that it is hard to believe but they have.
Pule March 11th, 2005, 09:47 AM They have started clearing the site and they will start digging the foundations soon.
@ hsark ... gr8 pics. You have inspired me to get my camera out again ;) keep it up.
This is the Gandalf that I know. I can't wait for you to take that camera and give us nice CT shots.
SYDNEY March 13th, 2005, 06:36 PM Update - Nothing new to report, it seems as if Cape Town has reached saturation point. New developments are few and far in-between. I still haven't received any renderings for The Waterkant but I will keep trying.
Gated Communities are now considered racist so I expect that we will see less developments like these. We obviously need to make things easier for the criminals so that the redistribution of wealth can continue. So if you have bought in a gated community, hang onto it because it will be worth alot of money. I think that I should rent my house out instead of selling it, what do you think ?
hsark March 15th, 2005, 10:35 AM sorry but the cpt hasn’t reached saturation point yet. Went ot town on the weekend and found 5 new buildings u/c plus I took a stroll to my friends at DHK and found there some pretty projects planned for the cbd , also In greenpnt main road 6 buildings are being demolished (2 houses taking a large area,a old B&B, broadways(think it was a club) a apartment block,BP petrol station, the 7/11 is gone ya! )
hsark March 15th, 2005, 10:39 AM i can still remember when u got kicked off skyscraperpage.com for insulting the usa or sumthing *wasn't called hsark then. then how a few u started the sa skycraper forum cheers gandalf and good luck with the nz forum its been fun! think im going to emigrate too, going warmer waters think its called the Durban const. forum
Mo Rush March 15th, 2005, 03:39 PM bye gandalf you''ll search forever for the "perfect" cape town u want but look all corners of the earth and you shall never find one
SA BOY March 16th, 2005, 05:32 AM lator gator, I do understand your frustration and its the reason I wanted to see the other side of the coin but believe me when I say Ive been there and bought the T-shirt, Lived in the states (florida) , London, Poland, NZ, Australia and now Dubai and I WILL be returing to SA when I hit my target investment figure as Im sure you will when you have seen whats to be seen and reaslised that its not always greener on the other side.
hsark, I remeber following Gandalff here too when that whole thing happened. Im glad to say we were the founding faters of this site and its great to have so many new guys here now.
Mo Rush March 20th, 2005, 01:47 PM Focus on people in Partnership's plans for city
March 18, 2005
By Karen Breytenbach
More people - fewer cars, is the formula the Cape Town Partnership proposes to drastically change the face of the city.
"The main focus is on people," the partnership's chief executive, Andrew Boraine, said of its plans to turn Cape Town into a pedestrian city.
Over the next five years the partnership will aim to change the city's cultural and corporate identity by using property development as an instrument of social integration, Boraine said during the announcement yesterday of a five-year business plan for the city.
According to Boraine, the city was in dire straits five years ago when the partnership was launched, but has already become safer and more popular for tourists and investors.
The greatest challenge the partnership will face in the next five years is to create a more integrated city while increasing economic growth, said Boraine.
This can only be done by doubling the number of people of diverse cultures and income groups living and owning businesses in the central city, he said. "The city's identity is not yet as multi-cultural as we would like it to be," he said.
According to Boraine this cannot be done without improving public transport, providing more parking, and pedestrianising the city, thereby relieving traffic congestion.
"An integrated metropolitan transport authority is on the cards to create integrated and efficient public transport," said the deputy director of the Cape Regional Chamber of Commerce, Colin Boyes.
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He believes the partnership's plans are "exactly on track" and will send out a positive message.
"Investors are not altruistic - they will come because it makes good business sense," he said.
Making Cape Town a "walk-about" city will also benefit businesses, restaurants and nightclubs, he said.
The partnership's strategy is to attract both rich and poor families to the city by making it safe enough to walk around at all hours of the day and night, while securing the public transport system that will be able to cope with the influx during the 2010 Soccer World Cup.
"Of course we'll need government investment to improve infrastructure and increase mixed use developments like District Six and Culemborg."
Boyes said poor families would be economically empowered by living closer to the central business district.
Boraine said the start of this "back to town trend" can be seen in increases in tourism, nightlife, the use of the Company's Garden, and growing public participation in events and festivals.
Mayor Nomaindia Mfeketo said: "We would like to have a full briefing before commenting, but the plans sound promising."
hsark March 21st, 2005, 07:59 PM i just found out that another art deco building is going up in the cbd called namaqua house i'll see what i can get tommorrow as today was a public holiday :P
SYDNEY March 21st, 2005, 09:04 PM i just found out that another art deco building is going up in the cbd called namaqua house i'll see what i can get tommorrow as today was a public holiday :P
Refer to item #291 for reference pertaining to Namaqua House, this was the first building to be converted around Greenamrket Square, here's the link:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=72675&page=15&pp=20
Harkeb March 22nd, 2005, 01:49 PM HI Gandalf, could you please tell me how to download pictures?
SYDNEY March 22nd, 2005, 04:09 PM HI Gandalf, could you please tell me how to download pictures?
I am sorry, I am absolutely pathetic when it comes to explaining computer things (I am blonde) but all I know is that you need a image host like pbase and then you link to that host. I am hoping that somebody else will be able to explain it to you - sorry.
dysan1 March 22nd, 2005, 06:03 PM the best thing to do is open a yahoo account. they give you 250mb of free storage space. they also have a photo album thingy. you can store all your pics there, and then post them onto the site from the photo pocket on yahoo by copying the address of the image. You do this by right clicking the image, selecting properties and looking under the address thing there.
Thats best i can describe it.
hope it helps
joburg March 22nd, 2005, 06:30 PM The thing with yahoo is that I don't think they allow remote linking (or do they?), meaning you can't link them to other websites, such as skyscrapercity.com. I use http://www.photojerk.com, which gives you quite a bit of space. You open an account, follow the instructions to upload a photo, and then they normally give you the code needed to paste photos here on ssc.
Let me know if you need any more help. Cheerio! :)
dysan1 March 22nd, 2005, 07:36 PM u can do it that way too...but the yahoo way does work...my pics are mainly done that way
joburg March 22nd, 2005, 07:58 PM Oooo ok. I think I might just start using yahoo too then. :)
dysan1 March 22nd, 2005, 08:04 PM go for it tiger :)
Pule March 31st, 2005, 10:37 AM THE Cape Town residential property market expects to continue outperforming the remainder of the country
Business Day Reporter
THE Cape Town residential property market expects to continue outperforming the remainder of the country, and fears of a price bubble are completely unfounded, says John Rabie, chairman of the Rabie Group, the largest independent property developer in Western Cape.
Rabie says that as long as interest rates remain relatively low, the boom conditions will continue even if prices do come off marginally from the highs of last year.
A few factors are underpinning the continuing buoyancy of the Cape Town residential property market.
"Firstly, there is a shortage of zoned land. Currently it can take three to four years to get rezonings through, not least of all because the environmental caucus in Western Cape is much more passionate about both the urban and green environments than they are elsewhere in the country," Rabie says.
He says the Rabie Group has very little land left for housing development other than at Century City, where it is also struggling to meet demand for residential properties.
Infrastructure constraints are a further factor behind the strong property performance. These constraints are reinforcing the shortage of land for development and the supply of new housing stock.
dysan1 March 31st, 2005, 10:53 AM "Firstly, there is a shortage of zoned land. Currently it can take three to four years to get rezonings through, not least of all because the environmental caucus in Western Cape is much more passionate about both the urban and green environments than they are elsewhere in the country," Rabie says.
for some reason i find that very hard to believe when one looks at how they are totally destroying their coastline with all the golf estates...which have nearly wiped out the animal population in certain parts of the garden route. and the crazy development of the west coast which in my mind has commited more crimes against the environment than some the hideous structures in salt rock.
So i think this man has to go back to the table and think about what he said
SYDNEY March 31st, 2005, 11:32 AM for some reason i find that very hard to believe when one looks at how they are totally destroying their coastline with all the golf estates...which have nearly wiped out the animal population in certain parts of the garden route. and the crazy development of the west coast which in my mind has commited more crimes against the environment than some the hideous structures in salt rock.
So i think this man has to go back to the table and think about what he said
I couldn't help laughing myself - Mfeketo has given permission for squatters to erect their shacks on land which is part of the Table Mountain National Park in Hout Bay. As I type this there are already shacks there. Let's not forget to mention that shanty towns are built on eco sensitive wetlands in Khayelitsha. The funny thing is that you have to get permission to erect a gazebo in your garden but you can build a shack ANYWHERE without council approval. I am cracking up ... you are right Dysan1, they need to rewrite this article and truthfully.
Pule March 31st, 2005, 11:57 AM For the past 14 years N1 City Mall, has served its loyal shoppers well
For the past 14 years N1 City Mall, conveniently situated just off the N1 highway and in the heart of the northern suburbs has served its loyal shoppers well with its friendly, convenient and easily accessible shopping experience all under one roof with anchor tenants such as Pick ‘n Pay, Checkers Hyper, Edgars & Woolworths to mention a few.
Having noted trends in the market place through on-going research projects conducted at N1 City Mall, results revealed to the Mall’s owners, Allan Gray Property Trust & SYCOM Property Trust, that positive growth in loyalty, dwell time, basket spend and the number of tenants visited per shopping visit, was on the increase. This research also confirmed that shoppers desired a wider range of choice, in terms of stores, a bigger “leisure & entertainment” area and that the existing mall needed an upgrade to transform it into a more modernised environment.
The most exciting component of the project is the creation of a larger upper level parking area, with direct access into the centre. Taking the shopper into a modern, light and airy piazza level that will house the new food court, existing cinema complex and an all new Wonderland entertainment area – which to date remains the largest video games arcade in the Western Cape.
This new extension will cater for leisure seekers wanting to relax in an exterior and interior garden feel, removing the stress of shopping as families take time out for a meal or to watch an exciting sports event on the big plasma screens. Some of the biggest names in the restaurant/coffee shop industry have already rushed to confirm their space in this new extension.
Access then to the lower mall will be facilitated by the installation of 2 new modern lifts, transporting shoppers to the next part of this massive upgrade – a complete new Fashion Mall.
The total extension of N1 City Mall will see an area of 7.562 m² been added, with existing anchor tenants, namely- Foshini, Ackermans and Truworths doubling their floor space. The ever-popular Mr Price Group, will be extending their Home Store to 800 m².
The existing finishes of N1 City Mall will be replaced with new floor tiles, modernized bathroom facilities, lighting and all existing tenants will also be upgrading the current look of their stores.
With this new extension and upgrade, N1 City Mall will increase its foothold in the shopping centre arena in the northern suburbs whilst maintaining its warm and friendly shopping experience. Building work has already begun and is scheduled to be complete by the end of 2005.
SYDNEY April 4th, 2005, 09:36 AM ^^^ Can't they just implode the whole thing and start afresh ??? no matter what they do to N1 City, it will remain an eye-sore.
dysan1 April 4th, 2005, 09:45 AM remember going there once years ago when we were playing some school in the area...and alll i can say is yuck! Not a pretty place.
SA BOY April 4th, 2005, 11:31 AM centrury city craps all over N1 city
SYDNEY April 4th, 2005, 02:29 PM ^^^ and that's no lie ... is it my imagination or is N1 City partially built underground - it looks extremely low, a shopping centre for Hobbits.
Pule April 13th, 2005, 09:50 AM RMB Properties' Newlands Terraces to offer brand new prime office space with a breathtaking mountain view
RMB Properties will shortly be introducing approximately R 40-million worth of prime office space, to be known as Newlands Terraces, onto the market. The development is to be funded by the Momentum Group Limited who own Great Westerford a landmark building on the corner of Dean Street and Main Road.
To be situated opposite the world-famous Newlands Rugby Stadium above the Western Province Rugby Union’s parking garage, Newlands Terraces will offer over 4 000m² of premier rentable office space, and is likely to be one of the most exclusive and prestigious business addresses in Cape Town.
Martin Rippon, RMBP’s General Manager for the Western Cape, says, “The Claremont/Newlands/Rondebosch area offers approximately 212 000m² of A and B grade office space and vacancies in this precinct have steadily declined from 20.6% to 6.2% over the past 18 months off the back of the imminent conversion of a large chunk of existing offices to residential apartments in the Claremont CBD as well as ever improving confidence levels in the economy.”
He adds, “The area is home to leading educational institutions, sporting and sports-related facilities and Newlands Terraces will provide office space with excellent exposure and easy access and egress to the Main Road, M3, M5 and N2 in a popular suburb that has a limited capacity to offer further prime zoned commercial land.”
RMB Properties are proud to announce that Newlands Terraces will also be the prestigious new home of the Western Province Rugby Union. Being in the centre of the Newlands Rugby, Cricket and Swimming precinct, it will be an address that should be particularly attractive to corporate and sports-related businesses.
Theuns Roodman, CEO of the Western Province Rugby Union, said, “We are delighted at having Newlands Terraces with its five-star facilities as our business address. Its proximity to the Newlands Rugby Stadium makes perfect sense in terms of conducting our core business.”
In close proximity to public transport, shops, schools and medical services, Newlands Terraces is located 15 minutes from the Cape Town CBD and Century City and 20 minutes from Cape Town International Airport.
Rob Addison RMB Properties’ Development Manager says “This office lifestyle development will enable one to enjoy large landscaped balconies with magnificent mountain views and there will also be ample secure and convenient parking below.
“Much emphasis has been placed on a stylistic approach to the development’s design, ensuring a calm, contemporary, stable status building that has a look that will not date.
“The office development will be flexible in design to tenants who have a need for office suites ranging from 150 m² to 1 000 m² per floor.”
As part of its commitment to urban regeneration, RMB Properties’ investment will extend to a commitment to the aesthetic improvement of the area surrounding Newlands Terraces through paving and greening programmes.
The development is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2006
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