who says they will actually get built?


they dont look too um...well active...560m would remain WTB for a long time...

IBC in Seoul is already working on its foundations. Though BD will be the WTB upon its completion since IBC won't be completed until late 2007-early 2008..

My sincere apologies for my previous posting about "Arab meters". This was meant to be for fun. The whole world goes by 1m being 3.28 ft. Nevertheless that poster board doesn't give an accurate comparison which would tell us how many meters BD is going to be. It may also be outdated. The height of this monster will exceed 800m for these reasons.

1. Emaar and Dubai gov't want to put the future of Dubai and the U.A.E. on the high-tech map and this building will be the world icon for that kickstart. In order to keep that momentum going, they would need to secure that title for a very long time. Money is not a real object here as its cost is factored into the high tech industry conversion. The building need not pay for itself but it would be subsidised by this economic conversion.

2. Officials at Emaar emphasized its height to be over 800m.

3. About a year ago, when they were still designing this project in its early stages, a forum member told of a relative which worked for SOM and his relative took him to a tour of the firm and he saw a preliminary sketch of BD with an arrow pointing to the spire with a figure written "705m". This building's design has since gotten taller as that 705 number became the base for what will be increased to a higher figure, thus more or less verifying the officials' 800m+ figure.

In short........560m? Old numbers from the DCM design for Melbourne. Throw 560 into the trash bin.

:)

800 Meters why not go a full K !

@Trances
Why not to built long tunnel over all galaxy?;)

Let's not be Silly,

Why not just build it to say 1 metre above the height of Mt Everest, so we can say it is definitely the tallest thing on the planet !

Because even if it's built to 1000mt, the Nepalese can still say they have Everest!

At last a serious injection into this discussion.

Let's not be Silly,

Why not just build it to say 1 metre above the height of Mt Everest, so we can say it is definitely the tallest thing on the planet !

Because even if it's built to 1000mt, the Nepalese can still say they have Everest!

At last a serious injection into this discussion.

I heard, don't remember where, McKinley is over 11km from base and only 6194 meters over ocean level...

Bugger, You got me Coth :bash:

So they should go for 8851m, 1 mtr above everest. Sounds cool.

Objects in low orbit would still be higher

Objects in low orbit would still be higher

Huh???!! What does that mean??!!

Is there some sort of trend with developing countries to build a WTB ;)

Huh???!! What does that mean??!!
Tallest residential has Russia. I say sOmeOne, he will post shot.

Tallest residential has Russia. I say sOmeOne, he will post shot.
Yup :D
See, there's even a Russian vehicle parked nearby!
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/soyuz-tma2-iss-desk-1024.jpg

And a new one is getting built ;)
http://www.amazings.com/ciencia/images/n100901b.jpg

Now that's tall ;)

So they should go for 8851m, 1 mtr above everest. Sounds cool.

Yet Mt. Everest is keep rising... (it was 8848m in 1954)

If it's going to keep rising maybe we should lobby for more than 1 metre, Nothing ridiculous please!!!!!I just don't want to go over the top!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually Mt Everest is starting to shrink now. The compression of the old Tethys Sea sediment (ie fold mountains) has been slowing down for centuries and has been rapidly falling back down in recent years. Then again I aint really taking this project serious any more - all talk and no action makes nick think this project a wet dream of the Sheiks. They should concentrate on democracy and freedoms now.

Is there anything you don't know about the vertical movements of geo-physical formations Nick baby?

Nope - but it helps if I'm a very knowledgable Geographer Student at Uni :D

Nick Baby,

No wonder you were up on all that technical lingo, I wanted to have a verbal joust with you but realised you were way out of my league on this geo stuff, I'm a merely psychologist who is partly interested in tall buildings, ever since kid, more of a windsurfing junkie myself!!!! Thanx for some fun sparring!!!!!!!!!!

Everest shrinking?? It used to be 29,028' when I was in school now I understand it's 29,034'. I never could understand that new math!

What's 1.8 meters between friends, and if Nick baby has any gut's he'll explain why?

A very bored Hardie!!!!!!!

This has to be the longest thread!

This has to be the longest thread!
Well, the UK and Ireland forums have had much, much longer threads than this one. :)

I got them the last Sunday


A corridor between The Residences (left) and the main building site (I'm not sure)

http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/u/l/ulex70/2/9/9.jpg


The Residences (6 buildings)

http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/u/l/ulex70/2/8/8.jpg


Kinda panorama :)

http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/u/l/ulex70/2/7/7.jpg

I made the last shots over the fence. There is a rope all around the site. I guess that means that nobody is permitted to step inside the rope. But I did ;) I saw some concrete things laid near the fence, and stepped on one of them.

Very nice update...;)

It is best update on BD in all times. Panaram show us real status of construction.

I will like to know more about Dubai! It is a nation name or a capital city of a country??? what is the population?? how much is the GDP Percapita??

Hi Keven :)

Well Dubai is a city , one of seven Emirates ( Emirates = states ) that make up the United Arab Emirates , the Capital city ( politicaly ) is Abu Dhabi , but Dubai is for sure the economic tourisim capital of the UAE and the whole arabian world ;)

Dubai as a city has a little over one million people , its GDP is 25 billion $ , so thats about 24-25,000$ per capita

wow.. thats amazing. thanx for tha reply..

Wow, ulex! :) Thank you for going to all the way from Moscow to Dubai to bring us up to date on the latest status of this project! :okay:

And thanks for bringing the thread back to topic in the process. ;)

ULEX i`m so sorry , i though i had already replied to you !! stupid me , anyway thanks alot for this FANTASTIC up date , you did alot of effort , i know :P salam

ULEX i`m so sorry , i though i had already replied to you !! stupid me , anyway thanks alot for this FANTASTIC up date , you did alot of effort , i know :P salam
What's wrong? Everything's fine ;)

hey is burj dubai u/c? and is it still going to be 800m? sorry i can't be bothered looking back all the pages!:D

Dilaz , according to www.som.com the company which is designing this tower said it has been u/c for the past three months , and will be completed by 2009 :)

salam

Emaar Properties will soon start selling apartments in the Burj Dubai, which will be the world's tallest building, officials told Gulf News. Piling has started. This follows a bullish response to apartment sales on the six towers that are part of the same project, The Residences, priced from USD147,000.

the new height being mooted atm is 705m! 2313ft! competion set for 2008/9!

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/5/burj_birdseye_1_bw_495.jpg

Here's Hoping!!!!!!

Ok then lets make official Project thread i think its time

That rendering is amayzing!!!!! Go Bubai!

Go Bubai!!

man, this is nonsense!!! that buildings is too tall!!!!! I wouldn´t want a monster like that in any brazilian city

Well it kinda to tall and I am more of a fan of density
but happy i will get to see this one happen
the site is across the road from where I work so should be great
When I say across the road I mean I can see it the Project is huge and it still like 400 meters from me or so

Firstly all of you must beware.... All you are stating is pure speculation on the towers height. This will not be made public until the tower itself is near completion. I have a very close friend of mine that works for SOM at the NYC office and he does not even know. This has been kept a highly regarded secret. I'm currently working with HOK Toronto and we are working on the Dubai Mall right next to the site of the Burg Dubai. Unfortunately all we can do is speculate on the height. One thing is for sure - Dubai is making its mark on a grand scale on the world architecture scene. A beautiful design which I'm sure will be executed with the greatest attention to detail.

A new rendering! Yey! Looks really really nice! :D

Damn nice rendering! And they already constructing this tower aren't they? :cool:
Btw..wouldn't be this tower atleast 800m? It says now that's it's gonna be 705m.

i reckon it will be somewhere around the 800 mark!!! 705 is another speculation cos the height is still a secret!!!

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7559/burjdubai.JPG

...from the mall....

I reckon it is among the best skyscraper i ever met :D Any latest progress?? picture please :banana:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5332/burjdubai2.JPG

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1032/burjdubai3.JPG

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8094/burjdubai4.JPG

AMAZING

Can anyone tell me the need for a 2,625 foot tall tower in Dubai?

Maybe to practice hitting their own towers? :runaway:

Excellent renderings. Look at the size of the shadow this thing will cast ...! :eek:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5013/burjdubai5.JPG

new render?

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6886/Immagine.JPG

from...sky

Hey, people from Dubai - is that a real problem to calculate height by shadow?

Coth i really cant see it as a probem , its real hot and i think some shade will do us good ;)

Skyscraper in United Arab Emirates will top 2,000 feet

BY BLAIR KAMIN
Chicago Tribune


CHICAGO - (KRT) - A huge skyscraper in the oil-rich United Arab Emirates, whose height has been a closely guarded secret, will be more than 2,000 feet tall, the tower's architect, Adrian Smith of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill of Chicago, said Tuesday. Such a height would easily make the tower the world's tallest building.

"We can acknowledge that it is significantly taller than 2,000 feet," Smith said of the residential-hotel project. On May 12, The Guardian of London reported that the tower's height would be 2,313 feet. Smith would not confirm that figure.

Called the Burj Dubai and conceived as a city within a city, the project is to combine residential, commercial, hotel, entertainment and retail facilities, according to the Emaar Properties of Dubai, the developer.

The skyscraper would have a Y-shaped floor plan and a classic, setback profile designed to lessen the wind's impact on the building, engineers from Skidmore say.

The current holder of the world's tallest title is the 1,667-foot Taipei 101 in Taiwan. It took the title in April from the 1,483-foot Petronas Towers in Malaysia. Petronas wore the crown starting in 1996 when it topped the 1,450-foot Sears Tower, which was designed by Skidmore's Chicago office.

The planned Freedom Tower at the World Trade Center in New York, largely designed by Skidmore's New York office, is to rise 1,776 feet.

"It's under construction now," Smith said Tuesday of the Dubai tower. "They haven't just dug a hole. ... It's a serious project."

Last year, Engineering News-Record, a trade journal, reported that completion was scheduled for late 2008.

Please be true:)

If Smith is adament about it being under construction then there is no reason to disbelieve him. It likely is.

As Smith pointed out, Burj Dubai will be OVER 2000 ft or 610m. A height of 2313 ft suggests 705m. Smith would not acknowledge the true height of this building but we know that its design is as such that while under construction in midstream a further height increase is possible. I believe that the 705m height that has been floating around in forums will not be the exact height.

I believe it will be higher than that going even upto 800m!

Remember, the final height IS a secret.

I believe it will be higher than that going even upto 800m!



:eek2: :dizzy:

160 floors, 560 meters to roof (for residential is enough), 705 meters to spire, big cheating in vogue.

160 floors, 560 meters to roof (for residential is enough), 705 meters to spire, big cheating in vogue.

From the rendering shown below, the spire makes up about 1/15th of the total height of the tower:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5013/burjdubai5.JPG

I hardly think it's a situation where the spire will make the difference as to whether or not the tower is the world's tallest - it will more than likely be indisputable. Like Chrysler, the tapering design of the tower and the essential inclusion of a spire at the very top to complete the design, as well as the insignificant proportion of the spire in regards to the overall height, means that any dispute over height to spire/height to roof is quite a petty argument in the overall scheme.

finn, spire is not last part on top, spire is last two parts on top... may be this is old rendering...

Even with no spire, it will easily be the WTB. I'm not trying to make BD the world's greatest building before it is even built, I'm merely pointing out the obvious facts. It will be higher to the roof than Freedom Tower will be to the antenna.

With the spire issue, I agree with Finn on this.

Coth, with the Tower of Russia, if it is built and it is really too soon to tell, will the 640m height mark be to the spire?

^about 610m to tip of cone and 648m to tip of spire

fantastic! this deserves the title of worlds tallest skyscraper!! ITS PERFECT!
it will also be worlds tallest structure until the 1000m solar chimney gets built in outback Australia in 2010.

Coth

I didn't know that ToR would be 610m to tip of cone. That is quite impressive.

I sure hope it gets built.

Culwulla, the Enviromission Solar Tower will be huge indeed. I believe it will rise to 1010m with a huge observatory at the very top.

Now that will be the world's tallest.

Dear Cul,

I'm in luv with the Big E, if one could marry an inanimate object, the Big E would be my better half :) .

I'm also lusting for the Burj, she would be my mistress :)

However the big smoke stack in the sky only produces a soft tissue response :)

Once again i belive in this tower and I can see the site from my office right now
but untill we see a rise this is all moot point

This one will be a next step in construction! Unbelieveble height! This one we be really much taller then Sears!

I hope to see some construction pictures soon. This thing seems too good to be true.

This one will be a next step in construction! Unbelieveble height! This one we be really much taller then Sears!
Here's a diagram on SkyscraperPage, and bear in mind this shows a height of 700m, but as we know it could rise to 800m or above...
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?6456775

The bid closing date has been extended by three weeks to July 4 for the main package on the Burj Dubai tower project in Dubai.

Some international groups had originally prequalified for the contract. It is however, understood that several companies, including some from China, have been added to the list.

The contract centres on the construction of a 705-metre high structure, which will house offices, apartments and a hotel. The successful bidder is expected to move on site in the first quarter of 2005, with completion set for mid-2008.

The US' Turner International is the project manager on the Emaar Properties project; the design consultant is Skidmore Owings & Merrill.

Emaar is also evaluating about five bids for the Dubai Mall package, which calls for the construction of the world's biggest shopping mall.

although i think dubai will closely anythin in that region and the height could be extended

Burj Dubai to tower 700m




By Saifur Rahman

Staff Reporter

Dubai: Latest indications are that Burj Dubai will exceed 700 metres , which will easily make it the tallest tower in the world.

Sources close to the project told Gulf News yesterday that even after taking into consideration all the announced projects and others in the pipeline, Burj Dubai will stand head and shoulders above the rest.

The Petronas Twin Towers were the tallest buildings in the world from April 15, 1996 to October 17, 2003 when Taipei 101 (Financial Centre) topped them at 508 metres.

The height of Burj Dubai could be extended further while under construction, the sources said.

Emaar Properties, which is behind the development of the world's tallest tower, has meanwhile extended the tender submission date to July 18 from July 4, they added.

A circular extending the tender submission deadline has been sent to bidding consortia, one of whom informed Gulf News of the development. Emaar officials confirmed the news but declined further comment.

"The move allows us and other bidding consortia more time to look deeply into the project. It could also be aimed at allowing new players to bid for the project," said a top official of a local contracting company which is bidding as part of a consortium.

Emaar's Burj Dubai tower has attracted a number of local and international builders who are keen to associate themselves with the project. Around six large consortia so far have attempted serious bids.

"The extention of the submission date will allow new international contractors to bid. But it is not clear whether the move is aimed solely at bringing in new bidding consortium," he said.

Burj Dubai is expected to cost around Dh3.9 billion. This could change, depending upon the final height and other specifications. Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings and Merrill are the designers.


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Now what does exceed mean , could it mean 705 , 750 , 800+ !!

when is exceeds used ?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d804b3127cceb0a0e76536dc0000001610

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d804b3127cceb0a0e76936d00000001610

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d804b3127cceb0a0e7f6b77f0000001610

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d804b3127cceb0a0e7f3364a0000001610

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d804b3127cceb0a0e425f7350000001610

source: MENAFN (http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=63512) Khaleej Times - 17/09/2004

DUBAI - Some Dh25 billion worth of tender packages within five different projects are expected to be announced this month in Dubai.

These include the expected announcement of the main contractor for the multibillion dirham world's tallest tower, Burj Dubai, and the world's biggest shopping centre, Dubai Mall. The latter is estimated to cost around Dh2.6 billion. The two properties are being built in a complex off Shaikh Zayed Road, which is considered as "the most expensive square kilometre in the world."
....

Hoax 2005 :cheers:

hoax cant believe I have to dignify that with an answer
But in other news !

Contractors to think again as Burj Dubai gains floors

Contractors tendering for the Burj Dubai construction contract have confirmed that they have been asked to re-tender for what will be the world’s tallest tower. This action is said to have been taken because of a design revision.

Construction Week was told that the design revision involves a reduction of the spire structure on the top of the tower so that more floors of useable space can be accommodated.

The official reason for the change is still unclear, but it purports to increase the total leaseable area in the tower and so will improve Emaar’s return on investment, one of the contractors said. He was speaking on condition of anonymity.

Past experience in cities around the world has shown that high-rise construction is notoriously expensive and many question the financial viability of building super tall buildings, especially when there is an abundance of flat land to build on, as is the case in Dubai. However, Emaar Properties, the developer, believes that it will not only be financially viable, but also represents a major engineering feat to build to a height not yet attempted by mankind. It believes that the tower, complemented by surrounding structures, will make an attractive proposition for not only the developer and residents, but also bring tourism inflow to Dubai and the country.

“With the Burj Dubai, we are creating a new architectural benchmark for global property developers and contributing towards the growth of Dubai as a leading tourist destination,” says Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Emaar chairman in the company’s 2004 yearbook.

Emaar claims that Burj Dubai will not only be the tallest tower in the world, but “so much more.” It will combine residential and commercial units, hotel, entertainment and leisure outlets with open green spaces, water features, pedestrian boulevards, an ‘old town’ and one of the world’s largest shopping malls, which Emaar claims, will make the complex a successful project.


Although the new design change is significant, it is not yet certain whether it will affect the building’s final height. It is more likely that the revision will delay the award of the main contract. Contractors were hoping that an announcement would be made by the end of this month. The industry believes that that construction of the tower could still be on schedule. It was launched in February 2003 and is expected to be finished in 2007.

Read as it gives some details to the constand questions asked about this project

http://www.itp.net/business/news/details.php?id=13013&category=construction

There seems to be a lot of activity around the Burj base, I think Bauer (piling contractor ) have completed their work and the enabiling works are underway for the construction.

i sure hope so

emaar and other contractors are very good in giving wrong info and stuff! so many rumours about this tower and i can't imagine how tall this tower will be in reality. 705 is minimum and for sure! back in the day we heard about 800m+ and now it could be 810m! in the early beginning it was said to be 560m! now they want to lengthen the tower and shorten the spire!!
same about date of completion: 2007, 2008, 2009????

big ? :weird:

i'm just waiting, sitting back and relax!!!

One thing I'm sure, Dubai can do it :okay:

It would be funny if they got halfway done with construction (halfway up), and then construction just stopped! They ran out of funding, or the financier went bankrupt. And the unfinished hulking concrete frame just sat there for about 10 years, until someone else decided to fund the project. Projects this huge always seem to have some kind of snag, and I don't see this one being the exception. There is something that just does not seem right about the whole thing. As always, I'll believe it when I see it - FINISHED!!!

It would be funny if they got halfway done with construction (halfway up), and then construction just stopped! They ran out of funding, or the financier went bankrupt.

What would be so funny about it?

Projects this huge always seem to have some kind of snag, and I don't see this one being the exception.

Oh really? Please indulge us with an example of this. . . (I suspect this will be the last we hear from you)

There is something that just does not seem right about the whole thing. As always, I'll believe it when I see it - FINISHED!!!

Your ignorance precedes you. . .

(I suspect this will be the last we hear from you)



Your ignorance precedes you. . .

Your suspicions are wrong. You are hearing from me now!
BTW, what a polished, high-minded way to end your comment. Now if you could just explain what you meant, it would be quite useful. (I suspect it WON'T be the last we hear of you!)

Have a great day! :)

I believe there is a hotel in Pyongyang, North Korea, around 500 meter (1500 feet) tall that's just an empty shell, just because the funding stopped. But I believe that's a very different story, let's hope it won't happen here!

Edit: The hotel is'nt 500 meter, but 330 meters tall. I believe it's in the top 10 of tallest hotels in the world. Anyway, here's Emporis' link: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=130967

I believe there is a hotel in Pyongyang, North Korea, around 500 meter (1500 feet) tall that's just an empty shell, just because the funding stopped. But I believe that's a very different story, let's hope it won't happen here!

So there you have it, Tom in Chicago, an example of what I was talking about. And since you seemingly want to nitpick about my choice of words because you have nothing better to do, perhaps the word "funny" was an incorrect choice. So substitute the word "funny" with "interesting", or even "tragic" for that matter. There. Now do you feel better?

And just for the record, when I was in kindergarten, I once called a kid "dumb" or "stupid" or something like that because he said something I didn't agree with. A teacher overheard my comment, and upon hearing it, she pulled me aside and explained to me that it is not acceptable or appropriate civilized behavior to call someone names because you do not agree with what the person said. I have learned from that incident. Based upon your comment, you obviously never had the benefit of such a conversation with an adult, and as you grew older, you still never got the memo. I read SSC every day, and I do not agree with half of what is said here. However, I do not call other forumers "ignorant" or anything else because they say something I don't agree with. That is a skill that is mastered by civilized adults such as myself. Perhaps you should find the time to speak with a civilized adult and have that person explain to you why it is not nice to call others names when you don't agree with them. If you learn this behavior and practice it regularly, it would make your life, and the SSC forums, much more pleasant.

Again, have a wonderful day!

Edit: The hotel is'nt 500 meter, but 330 meters tall. I believe it's in the top 10 of tallest hotels in the world. Anyway, here's Emporis' link: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=130967

It is the tallest hotel in the world.

Maybe to practice hitting their own towers? :runaway:

Retarted :bash:

And I'm crazy to ever reply to such stupid post.

It is the tallest hotel in the world.
that's not a hotel. that is unused structure.

Here's a sign for the Burj Dubai, a picture that I took from my trip to Dubai a while ago.
It's really gonna occupy a large area!! (even though you can't tell that from the pic - trust me!)
http://img71.exs.cx/img71/8763/IMG_0474.jpg

I believe there is a hotel in Pyongyang, North Korea, around 500 meter (1500 feet) tall that's just an empty shell, just because the funding stopped.
Even better example: Met Life north tower 1931 for NYC, was to be taller than the Empire State, but even after rising 30 stories it was suddenly cancelled.
PS: :cry:

here's a photo of a brand new updated master plan of the burj dubai development
went to the "the residences at burj dubai" sales center to get some info brochures and stuff, this one was included

burj dubai is the boomerang on this artificial island
the massive grey building on the bottom is dubai mall, the world's largest
thread about dubai mall: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=111556

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Masterplan.jpg


this is how the area will look like in late 2008
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai + Residences.jpg

So there you have it, Tom in Chicago, an example of what I was talking about

You're comparing the rich, booming city of Dubai with Pyongyang!?! Your ignorance precedes you again! Now please do everyone a favor and stop trolling these threads. . .

can any one give the exact location of where burj dubai is being built, how far is it from Sheikh Zayed road, and man all those towers besides burj dubai will come just in 4 years, man dubai is fast

There are currently 6 towers opposite the burj u/c and they are most about 30-40 stories and are close to topping out. In front of the burj (between the tower and SZR there is bright star tower (60 stories) that is pilling and 2 other res towers at 40 stories each ( 1 at the 30th floor and the other at about 10). Behind the Burj and between Kalid Road is another tower that has started but I havent been there yet to see how tall it is.
The Burj site plan above doesent show SZR but its to the exrtream Right andparralel with the edge of the picture.
AND TRUST ME ITS UNDER CONSTRUCTION

will bright start tower be part of the complex then?

these 6 towers are called the residences 1. the residences 2 have been launched and are at beginning of construction. when i was at the sales center they told me that no other towers have been officially launched yet and they even have no date, but guess it won't last till end of this year.

btw: this is the tower
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/New Towers/Bright Start Tower.jpg

So there you have it, Tom in Chicago, an example of what I was talking about

You're comparing the rich, booming city of Dubai with Pyongyang!?! Your ignorance precedes you again! Now please do everyone a favor and stop trolling these threads. . .

As I told you, these projects are'nt quite the same, but caution is required when starting such a large project. You simply can't stay constructing skyscrapers untill you reach the moon, every economy has a weak spot!

Edit: And for example, this building is'nt even the tallest on hold, it's this one: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=131314

That is from Bauer's webpage (August 2004)

The Burj Dubai is setting new standards. Bauer Spezialtiefbau GmbH was awarded the foundation contract together with Middle East Foundations, a local foundation contractor also operating Bauer drilling rigs. The first task to carry out was a series of large-scale pile load tests, being followed by the installation of 200 piles of 1.5 meter diameter to a depth of up to 50 meters and 650 piles of 900 mm diameter to depths of up to 36 meters.

i guess bauer has finsihed its work now or is close to and real construction is to start shortly

bright star tower is out side the area of this porject for sure

[i]
Your ignorance precedes you again! Now please do everyone a favor and stop trolling these threads. . .

Tom in Chicago, you do everyone a favor by going back and reading post #337, and this time you should try to actually comprehend the message within it. Based on your response, you obviously did not read it or you just didn't get it. Either way, you are not making yourself look very good here.
And just to correct your previous statement, I am not "trolling these threads"; I am viewing the images and commenting on them, which is what I have done about 120 times before. I have as much right to view the threads and add my two cents as anyone else. You, on the other hand, have taken someone's comment and picked it apart in a negative manner (actually you have done this twice during this one thread alone, to two separate forumers), so as to make us both appear stupid. Would you consider that a "positive contribution" to the discussions? Calling other forumers "ignorant" becuase you don't agree with them is what you would consider "adding" to the forums? This is all you have to contribute? Is this the best you have to offer? Who is actually "trolling"? And why haven't you responded to any of my points? I guess my "ignorance precedes me" once more.

pawsum, Tom in Chicago is a well respected memeber so stop wasting your time since you risk getting banned anyway.

Dubai is a the city of my dreams, beautiful buldings in the middle of parks and water.

It´s amazing!!!!

Burj = unbelievable!!

pawsum, Tom in Chicago is a well respected memeber so stop wasting your time since you risk getting banned anyway.

Mr. Man, I respect your opinion and appreciate your comment. Additionally, I am not trying to offend or alienate. However, I do not believe I am wasting my time. My point is simple. SSC is a supposed to be a place for everyone to contribute thier opinions concerning skyscrapers, skylines, and anything related. I did that in my first post on this thread. In response, I was called "ignorant" by another forumer. I do not believe I am ignorant. I have posted many times in SSC and I have strived to keep my posts conscious and respectable of the other forumers, and I should expect the same courtesy be extended to me. Everything I post will not sit well with all the other forumers, but as an open forum, we should all extend eachother the courtesy of letting our opinions be known without fear of being called names and insulted. That is my position, and I firmly stand by it. I do not think I risk being banned because I have not said anything blatantly insulting or demeaning. When I have a disagreement with another forumer, I simply ask him to "explain what he meant", or what was the reasoning for the insult. I hold myself to a high standard when I post, and I expect the same of everyone else, including Tom in Chicago. Quite simply, if someone calls me ignorant, I will expect a full explanation. I do not know if Tom in Chicago is a well-respected member of SSC, but if one becomes a "well respected member" of SSC by demeaning other forumers, then I am in the wrong place. We are all in this together, so let's treat eachother with that fact in mind.

Ok pawsum: What is that seams wrong with this project since the begining? Can you explain that?

Obviously you not only haven't ever visited Dubai but have absolutely no idea what Dubai is all about, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you did. Maybe Tom in Chicago is refering to that when he's talking about ignorance.

Ok pawsum: What is that seams wrong with this project since the begining? Can you explain that?

Obviously you not only haven't ever visited Dubai but have absolutely no idea what Dubai is all about, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you did. Maybe Tom in Chicago is refering to that when he's talking about ignorance.

No, I have not visited Dubai, but from the posts concerning Dubai, it seems like a very dynamic and advancing city. I was not discounting Dubai. My point was that this project, as with any project of this magnitude, may not go off without a hitch. There has been a lot of anticitpation building about this massive undertaking. However, it is not guaranteed to go off so smoothly. This is true of any huge project in any city, not just Dubai. It can happen anywhere. So, just for the record, I was not slamming Dubai. Quite frankly, Dubai has some of the most stunning skyscrapers I have seen (from the pictures, anyway). I would love to visit! My comment was not directed at Dubai, it was directed at the specific project. I hope to see it finished, and in all likelihood it will, but there is that small chance. . .

Dubai is a the city of my dreams, beautiful buldings in the middle of parks and water.

It´s amazing!!!!

Burj = unbelievable!!

Actually, Burj is arabic for Tower.. But you know that, eh? Looks better than the Freedom Tower.

So there you have it, Tom in Chicago, an example of what I was talking about.

Whatever makes you think that the construction of Burj Dubai will bear any similarity to Ryugyong Hotel? According to ss.com, the reason construction halted - once the building had reached its full structural height of about 330 metres - was that the concrete used was not to the sufficient strength to safely support habitation (in other words, fitting out the building would overload the structure).

I don't believe any builders proposing to make a 700m+ WTB would make the same mistake of underestimating the strength of reinforced concrete required. Do you?

Regards, Philip

the real reson is that when the Dprk had a fall out with russia the russian developer was forced to halt comstruction. they did however use the wrong concrete and in the event of an earthquake, may fall down.

Yeah i think the burj dubai is the real thing.

For my 100th post, I though I would share this ground breaking news with the world:

:pepper: :banana: :carrot: :cucumber:
:dance:

The Burj Dubai's cement pouring ceremony was conducted yesterday afternoon!!!!

Burj to boost Dubai: Mohammed

By Dalal Abu Ghazaleh
Staff Reporter

Dubai : General Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence, said the Dh10 billion Burj Dubai project due to be completed in about three years was highly feasible, and that the new landmark would set the emirate firmly into positioning itself as a major international business and tourism hub.

"Such a project must be feasible," he told journalists last evening as he toured the Burj Dubai site. "It is a public shareholder company, and the investors are savvy enough to realise the potential of this project."

He noted the project is attracting considerable investor interest.

Shaikh Mohammad said as he witnessed the pouring of cement for the Burj Dubai, that he valued the vision of President His Highness Shaikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan in supporting projects that would keep the country's eyes fixed on future prosperity for its citizens and residents alike.

"We have accomplished only 10 per cent of the projects we intend to accomplish," he added.

Mohammad Alabbar, chairman of Emaar Properties, which is building the project, said Burj Dubai, which will be the world's tallest building, will include the tower, a huge shopping mall and a Heritage City.

"The tower and the mall will cost more than Dh7 billion, and the Heritage City more than Dh2 billion."

He said that a feasibility study projected an annualised 15 per cent rate of return on total investment. Alabbar revealed there was high demand from international and local business leaders for the prime property which will be built in central Dubai.

Demand is particularly heavy from Europe and East Asia. "At present, the tower is designed to be around 800 metres tall, but we can always push that up to 950 metres," he noted.

He said 50 per cent of the project will be offered to international firms, while the balance will be marketed locally. "The architecture is given to DP Company from Singapore," he added.

Alabbar said this was a momentous day for Dubai. "With its scale and magnitude, the Burj Dubai is set to change the face of the city forever. For Emaar, it represents the next stage of growth, and will be the base for our developments that will follow."

The pouring of the cement for Burj Dubai yesterday ends the first phase of the construction and marks the beginning of the next defining stage that will see the structure begin to rise over the Dubai skyline.

Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) are the architects and Turner International, the project and construction managers.

http://face81.5u.com/burjdubai.jpg

In summary:

Final height: in the region of 800m - 950m
Date of completion: Approximately 3 years
Completion status: The tallest building in the World!!!!!! :eek2:

Go Dubai!!!! This is the best news of the Millennium!

-Face81
:jippo:

front page of the papers this moring that its all go with the concrete pouring ceromony
go Burj!!!!!!!!!!

Dubai Crown Prince General Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum yesterday witnessed the pouring of the first cement for the Burj Dubai, which will be the tallest building in the world. Officials said the height was presently 800m but could be raised to 950m. Completion is scheduled for three years, said His Highness, who noted considerable investor interest.

so more investors could push the hight up during construction then

I am guessing its either that or they will push up the height depending on the competition from other WTB contenders.....namely the Pinnacle. However I do wish to point out that this is the first time Mohd. Al Abbar has been quoted as talking about the heigh of the Burj.

He said it would be around 800m, but the foundations will allow for a height of upto 950m. Now I dont think he is stupid enough to reveal such a classified piece of information at this very early stage. In my opinion, the fianl height will be 1000m.....that will easily fend of competition from anyone else. hahahaaha

Now all thats left to do is re-name that silly Doha Street that leads off Junction1 past the Dubai Mall. The Worlds largest Mall needs a much better street address, like the Burj Dubai Road or Dubai Road? :dunno: what do u lot think?

-Face81
:jippo:

so more investors could push the hight up during construction then

i guess yes, this is so crazy!
has there ever been a tower which height was confirmed by number of investors. not that i know of, i just hope they push it to 950, who does not??? right, nobody!! ;)

i believe everybody was shocked when he saw the article about the burj to tower 700.

btw: with this announcement the price doubled!!!

USD2.5bn Burj Dubai complex
Emaar Properties will invest around USD2.5bn in the Burj Dubai skyscraper, shopping mall and Heritage City, said Chairman Mohammed Ali Alabbar yesterday. He said feasibility studies pointed to a 15 per cent return on the total investment with around half the project set to be marketed locally and half internationally.

"The tower and the mall will cost more than Dh7 billion, and the Heritage City more than Dh2 billion", remarked Mohd. Al Abbar.

Thus the total cost is almost a whopping Dhs 10 Billion = $3.67 Billion!!! :eek2:

Kewl......wheres all the money coming from? :dunno: Me wonders.....

-Face81
:jippo:

"wheres all the money coming from? :dunno: Me wonders.....

investors of course. dubai itself doesn't pay a cent for the construction

just promotion and marketing. that ain't cheap neither

Great news from the greatest construction site on earth right now... :cheers:

950m.....:eek:.....would be wonderful, but hell, i stay to the 704m version, then i wount be dissapointed if it becomes 704m or around that square.... :)

:lol: now i'm focusing on the 800. these are minimum and confirmed

950??? Why stop there? Might as well hit the 1000 mark.

Imagine being a kilometer above ground level

Wait a second, I think i read somewhere that percipitation is in the form of SNOW at 1 kilometer above ground level!!

Snowing?? in the desert? only in dubai, just pulling your leg :)

:lol:
still too hot in this area, even in winter, but this height in cooler parts on earth like europe, maybe windows freeze up there

today the last part of the burj dubai complex has been launched, the residential community the oldtown, built in traditional arabic style to create a contrast between futurism and tradition


here's the official article:

Emaar recreates past by launching The Old Town
Emaar Properties announced the launch of The Old Town, the traditionally designed community that successfully articulates inspirational Arabic culture within the most influential address on earth.

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Oldtown1.jpg

A birdseye view of The Old Town, Emaar's traditionally designed community in the Burj Dubai District.


The Old Town in the Burj Dubai District is a pedestrianised lifestyle development with spectacular views of Burj Dubai and The Dubai Mall, and in close quarters to the colour and vibrancy of Dubai's downtown area. Construction has already begun and the first apartments will be ready for handover by the end of 2006.

The units comprise one-room to four-room apartments and penthouses ranging from 725 sq ft to 3,150 sq feet area. The sales centre will be open from Thursday, September 23 from 9:00am to 8:00pm, seven days a week.

His Highness General Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence expressed satisfaction with the uniqueness of the development during his visit the Old Town Sales Centre on Monday. Sheikh Mohammed was at the Burj Dubai site to witness the first cement being poured in the foundations of the world's tallest building.

'The Old Town is more than just our trademark lifestyle community. It is Emaar's finest hour,' said Bahiya Kayed, Sales Manager, The Old Town Sales Centre. 'This mid and low-rise lifestyle choice blends the essence of modern living with the beating heart of Dubai. It is a community that is a fusion of the senses including east-meets-west cuisines, old-meets-new lifestyles and past-meets-future entertainment,' she said.

'The lifestyle in this community motivates people to get out of their cars and stroll. It encourages them to slow down their hectic pace. It also creates a safer, more vibrant community which is why The Old Town is a benchmark for future developments,' she said, while adding that vehicles will be parked in underground car bays.

With a building area spread over 3.7 million square feet, The Old Town will feature courtyard apartments and Souk-styled retail facilities recreating at once the mystical world of ancient Arabia associated with lush palms, winding alleys and bustling marketplaces with exotic merchandise. Walkways, rooftop terraces, landscaped gardens and water features will provide a sense of exclusivity. Luxury hotels and an indoor retail facility designed in traditional style with domes, arches and volumes, will anchor the commercial neighbourhood.

'I have no doubt that The Old Town development will present an attractive investment proposition to the prospective homeowner because it's an outstanding model of an integrated urban economic community with a touch of traditional Arabic class,' Bahiya said.

The Old Town Sales Centre will provide a window to what the Old Town Development will be all about and is prepared with meticulous care to showcase the rich diversity of the Middle Eastern culture.

The centre's rich Arabic architecture, period furniture and fittings are made unique with exquisite details from the Arab heritage. The ornate carved doors open into a welcome area that leads into a traditional Arab courtyard experience replete with a gushing fountain, a fully furnished model suite and a scale model of the Old Town complex. A staircase leads onto the terrace, which is complemented by a sit-out area and the wind tower.

Multiplex aims sky high in Dubai Sep 23
Bloomberg, with Kathryn House | Bloomberg

Multiplex Group has bid for the $US2 billion ($2.84 billion) contract to build the world's tallest skyscraper in Dubai.

The main contract to build the tower could be awarded next month, said a Multiplex spokesman, who declined to be identified, in Dubai.

The tower, also known as the Burj Dubai, will climb to a height of 800 metres, the Dubai government has said.

and some more in Australian Financial Review (http://afr.com/articles/2004/09/22/1095651390274.html)

would you even have views 1km would just be haze

Any way
Any way All this talk is making what was once a plausible project sound, more and more like the fantasy of a madman !

Multiplex aims sky high in Dubai Sep 23
Bloomberg, with Kathryn House | Bloomberg

Multiplex Group has bid for the $US2 billion ($2.84 billion) contract to build the world's tallest skyscraper in Dubai.

The main contract to build the tower could be awarded next month, said a Multiplex spokesman, who declined to be identified, in Dubai.

The tower, also known as the Burj Dubai, will climb to a height of 800 metres, the Dubai government has said.

and some more in Australian Financial Review (http://afr.com/articles/2004/09/22/1095651390274.html)

Yes, Multiplex is a huge construction company and have worked in Dubai previously, constructing the Emirates Towers project, as well as Al Fattan Plaza, the Meridian Hotel and Apartments (Shk. Ahmed Hotel), and the Creekside Residential project.

oh hope they [Multiplex] get it

Isn't Grocon also bidding to build the Burj Dubai? Is Multiplex based in Sydney or Melbourne?

Is Multiplex based in Sydney or Melbourne?

Perth, actually.

950??? Why stop there? Might as well hit the 1000 mark.

Imagine being a kilometer above ground level

They only person who will get a 1km view would be the guy who changes the anti-collision light at the top of the spire. Any word on whether this thing will have an observation deck?

yip there is an observation deck as well as resturants and a club at the top simmilar to the emirates tower which has a great bar called Vu,s

this tower will also include some hotels, eg an armani designer hotel
don't know what it will look like and we have to wait for more info

after the lower levels have been sold out, the middle levels were opened for sale this week
already 500 apartments sold


Emaar sells 500 apartments in Burj Dubai Tower



DUBAI - Property Major Emaar has begun the sales of apartments in Burj Dubai Tower which will be the world's tallest building on completion in 2007, according to sources.


“The company has adopted a completely different approach to sales of Burj Dubai apartments by inviting potential buyers for exclusive viewing and direct sales. So far the company has sold more than 500 apartments in the Middle level,” the source said.

The going prices for these apartments are in the range of Dh2.9 million to Dh3.1 million. The rates are likely to go up as the response has been extremely positive, the source added. Emaar had sent out invitations to VIPs in the UAE late last month and the first round of visits and sales were organised earlier this week.

More of such exclusive viewing for VIPs are expected to take place during this month. The Burj Dubai Development will be a mixed-use community combining commercial, residential, entertainment shopping and leisure outlets with wide open green spaces and lakes.

In addition to the world's tallest development, the Burj Dubai development includes Dubai Mall, billed to be the world's largest shopping mall. According to initial estimates, Burj Dubai is expected to cost Dh4 billion and the Dubai Mall Dh2.6 billion.

The 500-acre Burj Dubai development which will encompass the Burj Dubai Tower will be larger than the down towns of New York or London. The entire neighbourhood will host more than 35,000 residents.

“The exclusivity of the Burj Dubai Tower and the most modern amenities offered are attracting a large number of wealthy individuals from the region and around the world to invest in Burj Dubai Tower apartments,” the source added.

i dont understand, the enitire new down town will have only 35000 residents

burj is not only residential, also commercal and hotel
there also is a convention center, the dubai mall
and finally the "old town" and "the residences" as residential developements

all these apartments are huge, the smallest are about 100sqm or 1100 sqft. they go up to 500 sqm or 6000sqft and some of them surely 1000sqm or 11500sqft approximately

residential areas like the old town are not so dense, these are arabic styled townhouses and villas with wide greens areas and parks, so there's not so much space to place residents

anyway. i tink it's better to have not too many people in there. they pay a good price and the last thing you want is an overcrowded community

how far along with construction is it now, or hasnt it started yet?

pouring of first concrete was witnessed by dubai's ruler sheikh mohammed three weeks ago.
ground works have been finished, construction at the very first stages, but it will rise incredibly rapid!!!

About the height......

I believe it will be either the minimum of 800m...say 815m to 830m.

If it goes higher, then it will hit around 900m.

I don't believe 950m simply because if so, then Emaar not only would go for the WTB with a vengeance, they will also go on record and huge press popularity and noteriety for building a building 1000m or 1km.

One km is within the possibility since they are purposely not disclosing the true height.

At this point I'm looking at low 800m range.

wow 800m! thats impressive. The only structure that could come near it in height over next decade would by the 1000m Buronga Solar Tower in NSW, Australia.This is currently at finance stage. most approvals have been granted. Environmission only need $800mil.

hey does anybody have any pics of the construction site?

a new render has been published today, along with this article
just wish the render was bigger

Emaar presents Burj Dubai to global industry professionals in New York
The Burj Dubai, a dramatic testament to Dubai's faith in the future, will serve as a metaphor for chroniclers when the world's tallest building will be viewed and discussed by public officials, academics and industry professionals at the prestigious Urban Land Institute (ULI) Fall Meeting in New York.

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/6/9836-emaar.jpg
An artist rendering of the Burj Dubai District which features the Burj Dubai, The Dubai Mall, the Old Town, The Boulevard, The Residences, parkland, lake and other marvellous elements within Emaar's iconic urban development next to Sheikh Zayed Road.

The event begins today and concludes on November 5, 2004.

Burj Dubai is part of the planned new urban development which also boasts the world's largest shopping and entertainment mall, and will be among landmark projects to be exhibited at the four-day event attracting 6,000 real estate professionals from all over the world.

Emaar Properties, globally acknowledged as one of the finest developers of lifestyle real estate in the Middle East region, has already begun construction of the Tower, which will be completed by 2008. Designed by Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM), the Burj Dubai Tower will cost approximately USD 1 billion. Turner International Construction are project and construction managers.

'Burj Dubai not just the world's tallest building, but represents a unique and harmonious partnership between the east and the west,' said Robert Booth, Executive Director, Emaar Properties who will address the ULI delegates at a special session on November 4 in New York. 'It is Emaar's crowning glory and we could not have had a better platform to introduce Burj Dubai to a more distinguished, international audience than in New York, the home of skyscrapers.

'As a planner and developer, I admire the ability of New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, to name perhaps a most famous few here in the US, to create unique urban environments with combinations of cultures, building types, and architectural styles unique in the world. Indeed skyscrapers have historically represented our quest for bettering our urban cores and have created some of the world's most desirable and admired places. The Burj Dubai will catapult Dubai into the same arena.

'The tower belongs to the whole world and will serve as a beacon to those who believe that success lies in daring to dream big. It is a symbol of Dubai's economic strength and aspirations of being the world's finest city that believes in safety, good governance and quality of life.'

The Burj Dubai celebrated a milestone in September with the completion of the first phase of construction, which was marked by an exclusive cement pouring ceremony witnessed by members of the Dubai Ruling Family.

The tower is part of the magnificent Burj Dubai District, which will be at the heart of Dubai's elegant Downtown. The development also comprises The Dubai Mall, the world's largest shopping and entertainment complex, The Boulevard a 3.5km stretch of exquisite architecture drawing on styles from around the world, The Residences' exclusive upscale apartments and the stylish antiquity of The Old Town. It also has a man-made lake and landscaped parks.

The Dubai Mall itself will be of a scale and size never seen before. It will contain the largest indoor gold Souk, a vast space for fashions, an indoor aquarium, an external artificial lake and an entertainment and retail facility around the water's edge. On completion, The Dubai Mall expects to attract nearly 35 million visitors in the first full year of business, with a continuing growth of 20 to 30 per cent a year. The estimates are that by 2010 the total tourist market in Dubai will have reached 15 million visitors, a three-fold increase over the current level of about 5 million tourists.

The Residences at Burj Dubai is a choice of exclusive towers built on the shores of a crystal blue lake. The lifestyle at The Residences is urban with all the amenities of a metropolitan centre, but with the comforts and security of an exclusive community. The Old Town, a pedestrianised mid and low-rise community, is more than just a trademark lifestyle community. It is Emaar's finest hour.

An annual event on the New York calendar, ULI Fall Meeting highlights includes a host of speaker sessions, council meetings, conferences, mobile workshops and project analysis sessions. Emaar is one of the senior leading sponsor of the prestigious real estate trade show.

The official website has changed since I last saw it:
http://www.burjdubai.com/

sa boy has sent me a a highdef qualitiy megarender
we love you sa boy :D

rendered towers around burj dubai
skyline row right of this development is today's skyline with dozens of high-rises in first stages of construction!

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai Aerial3.jpg

Nice rendering.
But they've forgotten to complete Al Salam Tower II which is opposite to XXI Century Tower ;)

yes this is an aerial photo of dubai 1/2 year old
al salam is close to completion

btw, here's a construction pic of burj dubai!!!! finally we have one
thanks to DAZZ who found it :)

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Construction/Burj Dubai/september2004-1.jpg

good to c that pic, man dubai builds towers quick, the residences are nearly topped out :)

you can also see how big the hole is
and it's just a small angle
whooooooh, it's gonna be massive as hell

Cool rendering! The only thing I dislike about it, is that you can see little people at the "foot" of the tower. How big do people grow in Dubai, 8m?

The proportion is not right!

Does Dubai ever get bad weather, or is it beautiful like in that picture all the time? My current understanding is that its near the desert, hence no rain? Jesus christ that mall is massive!

great to see the photo
how old do you think it is
looking at the res i though they would be more along now
so that photo must be a little old even

the construction photo is from beginning of october

the weather is mostly like that all year round, you don't get a lot of rain but you get tons of sunshine.

that big render is really amazing. I can clearly see the dubai's financial zone that is getting really big and dense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, in that pic, thats not just a big hole, it seems like the foundations have already been poured and we're gonna see some floors sprouting up in the next few weeks!

hm, ground work always takes a very long time, especially for such a massive base
i think we will see the firts floor coming up in late december the earliest
but then it will pick up speed

in average a floor is constructed every week. as this one might have 200+ and is scheduled for completion in 150 weeks this means about 1 1/2 floors per week

it will grow and grow and although it's growing fast it will take three years to top :D crazy!

wasn't the floor count at 160 or it's flexible? I think the spire height can be flexible, that's how they can change the overall height.

the 160 floors were for the 705m tower
if it will be taller than 850 or 900 it will automatically have more floors
i don't think they discuss about the lenght of the antenna for years
hopefully it won't be too long and will not be included in official height

i don't want to see burj dubai with a height cheating antenna of about 100+m

It's very strange that nobody knows how tall the tallest tower in the world will be!
Even now that the building is under construction!

It's very strange that nobody knows how tall the tallest tower in the world will be!
Even now that the building is under construction!

that's their aim!
to confuse everybody

if they would tell the official height everything was boring and competitors could already make plans for taller towers!

A beautiful redering indeed. But 160 floors, thats damn much. And the antenna looks as tall as 150m - 200m at least. If the roof of the tower become 740m, then the whole tower would become 890m - 940m....:)

yeah, looks extremely large in this render
but the question is, will such a "useless" spire count to the official height??
i hope not, i want 800+ as official height without this spire
but anyway, this tower would look bad when there was no spire

yeah, looks extremely large in this render
but the question is, will such a "useless" spire count to the official height??
i hope not, i want 800+ as official height without this spire
but anyway, this tower would look bad when there was no spire

Jah, i hope they includes a spire, if would become much less spectacular without it. But i hardly belive they will built it as tall is 800+ on the roof, how the hell will they manage that, the construction is massive, yes, but the elevatores, fire, security and the water. Record so far its 508m, and it needed some bloody large pomps and a unique technology to do it. 800+ would be..... Fantastic....:eek:

and exactly the stuff we're talking about is what they want to provoke
nobody knows anything :D

on the one hand it's clever to keep it secret, but on the other hand it's just driving you CRAZY! :evil:

its not a spire ?
always thought it was and hence would be part of the height

If this tower does surpass the 800m. mark, Than they need to make the changes to the foundations also.
BTW does anyone know how deep the foundations go or how many underground floors there are?

city of the future , its already known in Dubai that foundation work is able to withstand a 950 meter tower , its been mentioned a kazilllion times in newspapers and magazines :)


i dont know of underground floors . maybe :)


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Hey guys , if you would be nice , can you all donate the sum of 8 million derhams and send it to me :) i want to buy this 2 bedroom apartment on the 20th floor in the burj dubai due to be ready by dec 2008 :)

or atleast thats what it says in the properties section of the gulf news today

i think i can remember foundation is up to 100m deep
anybody has the exact depth please?

yes, and you could read about the 950m limit in every possible news source, but they have promised to keep the final height secret. this is where the 1000m mark comes into the game! or they are serious with their statement (that would be the first time by the way! :D )

I read the piles were 42m deep with a 3.5m raft across the top

the 160 floors were for the 705m tower
if it will be taller than 850 or 900 it will automatically have more floors
i don't think they discuss about the lenght of the antenna for years
hopefully it won't be too long and will not be included in official height

i don't want to see burj dubai with a height cheating antenna of about 100+m
According to an elevator panel rendering on the Burj website, it will be at least 188 stories.

yes, have seen that too
was also wondering

www.burjdubai.com

I wonder if one purchased a whole-floor penthouse near the top, could he have a private express elevator to the ground floor? :D

@Jue, nice avatar but what do you got with Ado Den Haag!?

@Jue, nice avatar but what do you got with Ado Den Haag!?
I am not a particular fan of them, just that their logo looks cool. :)

Hi! I don't believe I've posted here yet, but I'm a member over at Skyscraperpage and have been actively following this thread daily. It's really amazing to see this mega project take shape!

A question to Dubai-Lover or Sa Boy if I may: Would you happen to know either the compressive strength of the soil at the Burj site or what strength concrete is being used in the foundations? Although it may be impossible to know for sure how high the tower will be before it's completed or someone officially denotes it, it makes for good speculation nonetheless!

good question!
unfortunately i don't know
it is just said materials were high-quality (what else should they tell you :D )

that info wont be made public at all

Didn't think so...but I had to ask :) Regardless even if the tower is built to its lowest height @ ~700m, it will still be amazing to see it rise!

I give it 1% chance of being built in the next 4 years. Load of bollocks. Do these Dubai people have money growing out their arse? Probably not. If it does ever get built I'm gonna go right to the very top and push people down the stairs.

I give it 1% chance of being built in the next 4 years. Load of bollocks. Do these Dubai people have money growing out their arse? Probably not. If it does ever get built I'm gonna go right to the very top and push people down the stairs.

Hmmm......just go to the UAE forum and see the amount of construction currently underway in Dubai. Its colossal as are the size and ambition of some of the developments. I don't doubt Dubai has the resources to build this tower, I'd just like to see some construction photos before Im convinced. Apparently the foundation has already been built, surely it can't be too hard for someone to get a photo of the foundation of a 160 storey+ tower can it???

i post this comment for the 100th time i think

buildings and towers are not built by dubai government or uae country

the price for the towers is paid by international investors!!!! ONLY!!!

it is hard to get site pics as everything is blocked! big secret about everything concerning burj dubai! very clever!

I give it 1% chance of being built in the next 4 years. Load of bollocks. Do these Dubai people have money growing out their arse? Probably not. If it does ever get built I'm gonna go right to the very top and push people down the stairs.
what a wanker, shows your class and style you tool. firstly its under construction and what kind of idiot says he wants to throw people down stairs.
Fu_8k off back to where you came from you prat!!!!!

Hmmm......just go to the UAE forum and see the amount of construction currently underway in Dubai. Its colossal as are the size and ambition of some of the developments. I don't doubt Dubai has the resources to build this tower, I'd just like to see some construction photos before Im convinced. Apparently the foundation has already been built, surely it can't be too hard for someone to get a photo of the foundation of a 160 storey+ tower can it???
Another doubting thomas. I will say again for the hundreth time, you cant get to within 1km of the site and apart from the tower there is the wolrds largest shopping centre, at least 10 other towers and a massive man made lake all under costruction.
I try almost every week to get a shot but have only managed to get to the 3meter high hoarding that surrounds the entire complex.
Its u/c belive me mate.

I definately believe it, history is rising. All the doubters will be sorry. :lol:

According to an elevator panel rendering on the Burj website, it will be at least 188 stories.
Go to www.burjdubai.com and see the immage of the lift showing a number of 188 as a elevator button. This is history rising!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can see where the negativity is coming from, but that shouldn't mean we should bash the city. If they're shooting for a floor a week (which last time I thought was highly reasonable), then it will take time simply to build that high. I do not doubt that this amazing structure will be built, I'm only curious as to just how tall it'll be ^^.

Oh yes, I was searching around for malls awhile back and it was fairly difficult to find the gsf for Suria KLCC at the Petronas but I believe one site said ~300,000 square meters. Although I have some idea about the size of ~10 million. square feet, I'm just trying to get a grasp of how big the mall is really. Perhaps the Dubai members may be able to lend more info on that please?

it actually goes to 189 :D or even more? who knows

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid147/p3907ac99844a96ec58ef61dad8c8d83d/f633442c.jpg

Oh yes, I was searching around for malls awhile back and it was fairly difficult to find the gsf for Suria KLCC at the Petronas but I believe one site said ~300,000 square meters. Although I have some idea about the size of ~10 million. square feet, I'm just trying to get a grasp of how big the mall is really. Perhaps the Dubai members may be able to lend more info on that please?

the size of the dubai mall will be about 12.1 million sqft, which is about 1.1 million sqmeters
check this: http://www.thedubaimall.com/
go to menu and "ENTER"

Anyone in Dubai:

Wouldn't you be able to see the base of the tower from the roof of the Dusit hotel?

I know it's a bit far off, but there's nothing to impede view, and if you get a good camera, you can take some shots.

Give your camera to a construction worker on the site and pay him a handsome sum, which I'll wire you if you want.

Anyone in Dubai:

Wouldn't you be able to see the base of the tower from the roof of the Dusit hotel?

I know it's a bit far off, but there's nothing to impede view, and if you get a good camera, you can take some shots.

Give your camera to a construction worker on the site and pay him a handsome sum, which I'll wire you if you want.


i wont do such a thing , unless i have blue eyes and blonde hair with a cute smile then i guess i can pull it off , otherwise i`ll be put in Dubai`s black list of possible terrorists :)

Burj Dubai may really have 180+ floors? Holy cow thats unreal! Standing that high up may leave u airsick lol!

oh my me

Thanks Dubai-Lover. I've checked out the mall site in the past and was excited it to see it offer so much. I think I was just trying to find out how it compares to the Suria Mall, as I was fortunate enough to have gone there a few years ago. 12 million square feet is pretty close to the floor space offered in 3 (original) WTC towers or Sears Towers though, unless my facts are mistaken. That's going to be insane regardless of how big it is!

I'm really excited about seeing this tower rise...can someone tell me what the status of the construction is right now?...what has been done thus far etc. as I haven't seen many updates.



By the way, I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the renderings remind me of Emerald city from the Wizard of Oz movie.

http://www.oz-central.com/graphic/p_emerald_01x.jpg

ground work at the moment
as the base is very massive it takes time, ground always takes most of the time. i'd say you can see the tower clearly coming out of the ground in about 3 months

Anyone in Dubai:

Wouldn't you be able to see the base of the tower from the roof of the Dusit hotel?

I know it's a bit far off, but there's nothing to impede view, and if you get a good camera, you can take some shots.

Give your camera to a construction worker on the site and pay him a handsome sum, which I'll wire you if you want.

I have been up to the pool deck on the Dusit with someone who worked there but they are not there anymore so I cant do it. When I was there I could see the base and they were still piling at that stage and the base was absolutly massive, I have never seen a base so big and I supose in order to be the tallest in the world it would require the biggest base in the world.
Ill try a disguse and attemp on Thursday, Ill just pretend Im a dumbarse tourist

LO that would be great

Thanks Cul, there are so many sceptics in the good ol US or A who dont belive the Burj will be that big cos its not on CNN or anything. I feel very privelaged to be able to watch this monster grow everyday as I drive past.( I watched World tower grow and that was awesome)

Well I had never even heard of Eureka before I joined this forum, so it goes to show you that local news services can not be trusted. Only internet forums full of geeks.

and geeks we are!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes best source of stats, mis-information, one sided views and endless debates

Please count me in the "geek club."

News services rarely discuss tall buildings around the world unless they are world record breakers. The Burj Dubai will make headlines when it is well on its way up.

as much as i would like to see this tower go up 800m so that nyc can shut there big mouth,i'm a bit suspicious.althought the emmar group has money to waste,who wants to throw away many billions of dollars.if the emmar people want to waste money come to miami.but back to my point i believe the building is going to be built,but i trully doubt it will be more than 700m.once they get to 700m they'll realize its best to stop or be forced to stop because of conditions of building at 700m.

if you are at 700 whats the difference and not do 800, hell you are over three quaters of a kilometer in the sky might as well carry on.

It would certainly be odd if they increased the floor count from 160 to 189+ while keeping the 700m height.

It would certainly be odd if they increased the floor count from 160 to 189+ while keeping the 700m height.

i think it would be good as we then don't have to expect a looooong spire :D

i think it would be good as we then don't have to expect a looooong spire :D
The spire on the original 700m rendering isn't that tall; instinct tells me the later, taller spire assumed a taller height.

the last article in construction week noted the contractors had to reprice for an increased height but not nessissarily increase in number of floors, ie longer spire. Thats why the award of the contract has been delayed.

Hmmm......just go to the UAE forum and see the amount of construction currently underway in Dubai. Its colossal as are the size and ambition of some of the developments. I don't doubt Dubai has the resources to build this tower, I'd just like to see some construction photos before Im convinced. Apparently the foundation has already been built, surely it can't be too hard for someone to get a photo of the foundation of a 160 storey+ tower can it???

Yeah , u cant get ne where near the foundation of burj dubai, becoz the construction site is HUGE!!!! They are basically building a new downtown in that construction site. HAve u ever heard of that , the downtown of a city being built all at once?

i wish i lived in dubai right now,but i live in miami and were also having a large boom over 120 proposed and u/c buildings

What i'm into on projects of this scope/scale, is logistics, but since so little info is avalable, i'll have to use my own skyscraper, on the job experience, historical knowledge, and construction judgement, to put a picture (that nobody can seem to get) of this project in black and white, based on the rendering, and all the info gathered on this and other threads, this tower could be anywhere from the projected height of 160 floors to 200+(i could not see them going 190 floors, and not adding an extra ten for that mark. this would be simple to do, as i suspect this is a bundeled tube structural system, and if it reaches the the 1000 meter mark, at least 250' of that would probably be a spire/antenna.

Probable foundation system:
65.000 to 85.000 sq.ft. pile loaded, mat foundation
driven piles, anywhere from 80' to 200' in depth (several hundered)
mat thickness 18' to at least 26' poured in sections, (a monolithic pour would be quite impossible) therefore sequence pour.

according to emporis this is to be a structural steel framing system, if so it would probably read like this:

steel contract somewhere around 230.000 to 260.000 tons,
maybe 6 (minimum 3) steel crews to bring out of the ground,
crews decresing as tubes terminate.
3 to 6 cranes, also decresing as tubes term.(luffing or boom type, to reduce swing area)

duration of steel erection:
minimum 14 to 16 months

cladding system, (aluminum/glass)

40.000 to 80.000 tons (wild guess)

I dont know about anyone else, but if any of this assesment is even close to true fact where looking at the mother of all skyscraper projects, and that's what stirs my blood.

every morning on the way to work, i look at the skyscrapers of downtown Los Angeles and smile, ...........

Everyone, remember that The Pinnacle is 750m; Emaar would not in any humanly way allow Burj Dubai to fall below that mark. I think it is safe to assume the final height will be over that mark.

1. 800-950m Burj Dubai
2. 850m Palm Jebel Ali (estimate)
3. 750m The Pinnacle #1
4. 750m The Pinnacle #2
5. 700m The Pinnacle #3

One only wishes. :)

The Burj Dubai is a concrete structure building, not a steel frame one.

Wow, wat are The Pinnacle 1,2 & 3?
when are they gonna be built?

Wow, wat are The Pinnacle 1,2 & 3?
when are they gonna be built?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=120490

How does Dubai plan to fill all of these towers? Will it be like Pudong where you've got a lot of tall, empty buildings?

Everyone, remember that The Pinnacle is 750m; Emaar would not in any humanly way allow Burj Dubai to fall below that mark. I think it is safe to assume the final height will be over that mark.

1. 800-950m Burj Dubai
2. 850m Palm Jebel Ali (estimate)
3. 750m The Pinnacle #1
4. 750m The Pinnacle #2
5. 700m The Pinnacle #3

One only wishes. :)



Ha, We wish! That's a dream, only one of those 5 will be built, and that's the Burj, and It won't be 1000m, more like 700 to the top of the spire. Which of course is still unimaginably tall. :eek2:

Ha, We wish! That's a dream, only one of those 5 will be built, and that's the Burj, and It won't be 1000m, more like 700 to the top of the spire. Which of course is still unimaginably tall. :eek2:

that's what you think :D

burj dubai will be more than 800 and is able to stand a 950 structure, so why not build a 1000 tower? everything's possible here!

the pinnacle is an "unofficially approved" tower! the developers said it will be built and somewhere around 700 and 750 (i do believe it will count as 1 tower only!)

in the same article the developers said on palm jebel ali a longer tower will be constructed. this one might be around 800 then, but also "unofficially approved"!

we are just waiting for the official press release.

but the offical heights will be a secret till the very end of construction!

LOL ok.


That seems a bit far fetched, minus the "bit"

"Anything is possible here"

-I think you should watch the ego trip of your city. It could start a flame war.

Dubai is not a magical city, just because several towers that are twice as high as the sears tower get proposed doesnt mean they will be built. Burj will probably, yea, but It won't be 1000m, there are too many problems when you get that high. As if there isn't enough at 700m.

I don't understand why people come into these threads from other cities seeking to argue about what will or won't be built. Why not just wait 3 years and see what happens?

there is always a critic

I could say if they will be built honestly, but i dont care. Dubai is pretty dumb IMO. I was impressed with Burj Dubai, but theyv gone on a ridiculous money rich building trip which just deters my interest.

Its a shell of a city.

Pyongyang is a shell...Dubai might have something going for it.
They are building these to lure people (and investor money, of course). It's like Field of Dreams. Well, at least that's what they're hoping.

I could say if they will be built honestly, but i dont care. Dubai is pretty dumb IMO. I was impressed with Burj Dubai, but theyv gone on a ridiculous money rich building trip which just deters my interest.

Its a shell of a city.
Have you been here? have you lived here? so from what experience are you basing this wisdom that Dubai is a shell?
Why do so many ignorant people come to these forums and waste everyones time with there dumbass retoric that adds no value to this forum.
I agree with Jamauchi that people just come here to argue as they have a complex about their own cities.

How does Dubai plan to fill all of these towers? Will it be like Pudong where you've got a lot of tall, empty buildings?

I would love to hear the answer to this one as well.

How does Dubai plan to fill all of these towers? Will it be like Pudong where you've got a lot of tall, empty buildings?


population growth 10% annually.

I could say if they will be built honestly, but i dont care. Dubai is pretty dumb IMO. I was impressed with Burj Dubai, but theyv gone on a ridiculous money rich building trip which just deters my interest.

Its a shell of a city
The govt. ain't building these for the nth time! :crazy: Private investors want to build it, and they ain't crazy to waste so much money if they don't see huge profits from it, i.e they think all this space will be occupied. I just don't understand why so many people want to come and post the same thing over and over again in every page. :dunno:

They started selling the Apartments/offices haven't they? If so anyone know how many have been sold yet? that will give you the first ideas if it be empty or not.

all those that have been for sale so far are sold out

Well its not going to be empty then.

If this is a construction progress page, Where exactly are the progress pics or information?

I have yet to see anything other than a desert with a couple cranes from 1,000 feet away

Um, if this is to be done in 3 more years wouldn't we see some progress? Not doubting, but maybe we should change the thread to BURJ DUBAI RAMBLIJNGS

everything is kept secret here
no construction pics allowed
very difficult to have a view on the site

a month ago the pouring of the first concrete was witnessed, so they are still at the ground works. in 2 or 3 months you will be able to see it coming up from the street

in dubai 1 floor per week is usual, so it will rise like hell, maybe they do it even faster than in one week

How many people is working in the construction of the building?
And how many people will live in the building when it is finished?

If this is a construction progress page, Where exactly are the progress pics or information?

I have yet to see anything other than a desert with a couple cranes from 1,000 feet away

Um, if this is to be done in 3 more years wouldn't we see some progress? Not doubting, but maybe we should change the thread to BURJ DUBAI RAMBLIJNGS

There is a 10 feet tall concrete wall surrounding the huge construction site and since there is still ground work being done, I don't see how you can pretend to have pictures taken and posted in here.

Get over it, the building is u/c and it will be world's tallest by far, when completed and there's nothing you can do about it.

The Burj Dubai is a concrete structure building, not a steel frame one.

Well if thats the case, they won't get a floor a week until this thing reaches floor plates of about 16 to 20.000 sq.ft. or about the 126th floor, if poured in place this could take almost 3 years to reach, (126th floor that is), 4 years + till top out, and they'll have to move the batch plant upward, as they could not conventionally pump concrete up 1000' without the head pressure stopping it dead in its tracks. (i bet they set up mixing operations every 50 floors as it rises). imagine, 4+ years of continuous pouring operations..............boggles the mind, (like building a vertical dam)

Dutch Council on Tall Buildings visited this project last week and they were told by the Emaar directors that a.) the appartments in the Burj Dubai tower have almost sold out now (the catalog was an inch thick) and b.) it's going to be at least 900 meters, naturally not disclosing true height for competitor reasons.

900m? no way, thats insane :eek: :eek2:

we keep telling you guys its gonna be so big it will blow everyones minds

Ahhh insane, will surely hit 1000 now, and is gonna be untouchable for a long, long time. :eek:

it all a mater of waiting
images will be here seen you have seen the site that all we got for now

I just don't understand why so many people want to come and post the same thing over and over again in every page. :dunno:

They are jealous, it is that simple. It is a stunning project and will be great when it is finished. Most people here would love to see the amount of buildings that Dubai is getting, in their own coutries. I know I would!!! Let's hope we can see some pictures soon!

was da latest update.

I luv dubai, UAE, this forum, everything
Dubai, is going insane !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i put every togeher here.


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NAME: THE DUBAI MALL
TYPE: Shopping Mall
SIZE Total : 5.6 million sq Feet total, 3.6 million sq Feet for lease
COST 2.6 Billion AED !
NUMBER SHOPS: 1400
NUMBER CAR SPACES: 16 0000
OPEN : NOV 2006

Claims to Fame
World Larges Retail Development
50 international soccer pitches
Largest mall in the world
Will be served by the Dubai Metro Rail when it opens ( 2010 ?)
Will have Featues like
- Olympic Ice Skating Arena
- World class aquarium, one of the World’s Largest Aquarium, three storeys high featuring glass tunnels where you can slide right through and come face to face with sharks, sting rays and other exotic marine life
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Now that is one impressive fish tank! :eek: :okay:

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Old news ;)

Wow, the fish tank is f***ing cool.

in fact this is the world's largest aquarium in the world's largest shopping mall, next to the world's tallest tower within the world's most expensive sqkm :D

crazy!

i can't await to walk through the aquarium

Dubai Rocks.

I know that it's hard to get a pic of the groundworks (I tried myself and failed), because of the fence surrounding it, but I'm sure it's very easy to get a pic from the top of some of the towers on Sh. Zayed Rd, like the Dusit Hotel.

Anyone here wanna try? Or do I have to wait till I get back in a few weeks and do it myself?