I think someone brought up that idea, to sneak atop the Dusit... or was that you?

Get one of those helicopter tour people to take one. :p

Yeah, I suggested it earlier as well, but was ignored :p

The people there are too lazy to take proper pics. I think if a helicopter passed over the site it would be shot down :D

Anyone here wanna try? Or do I have to wait till I get back in a few weeks and do it myself?

I think you've just answered your Question :sleepy: :runaway:

I looked up satellite photography services, and they are no good either. Probably due to regulations, the resolution is set at 15m. If only we can use a military satellite, one of those that can read license plates from space.

Thanks for the pic's pakboy, that first one showing the whole city is spactacular (tho i'd like to see the continuation west).

the question i have is, is every one SURE this tower is to be reinforced concrete?, becouse (steel or concrete) this will be one hell of a picture when this tower is 20 floors out of the ground !!!.

and one thing is for sure, if I were out there i'd have all kinds of photos from inside this fence you speak of, i've been doing this hirise construction thing a long time. I'd come out of there with concrete samples and the names of all the pile driver operators, regardless of how much security there is !!!!!!!!.

20 floors, indeed. That base will be so massive... how many floors is the widest part?

OK, it looks like this to me, there are 3 setbacks (or lobes) with 3 more smaller lobes, between the larger, with 2 setbacks, (i'm assuming the smaller are enterance lobbys) this lobby/atrium area is 8 standard floor levels high, and it looks like the 10th floor is the first mechanical level (3 standard floor levels high) and it looks to me that the 14th floor is the first setback, (the 20th floor the second setback).

it's hard to tell becouse most of the renderings are of the same face of the tower. this is also assuming the 2nd floor starts above the 3rd large lobe setback.

i'll bet the floor area of 2 thru 14 is at the least 40.000 sq.ft. per floor
does anyone have a total sq.ft. of tower estamate?.

a model of the tower taken by sa boy :)

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj%20Dubai/Burj%20Dubai%20Model.jpg

I'm glad it's not the cylinder design I saw earlier.

that's a huge nice model.

HaHa he couldnt get the spire in ??

Thats Amazing!!!

Ok not only could he not get the spire in, but also the rest of the top of the building. if the picture was more clear, i could do a floor count on the model, as it looks to me the top has been modified. (or could be lighting?)

still waiting for response on framing question (concrete/steel)??

The tower will be in concrete with a 4 day floor to floor rate, It will be pumped as Putzmiester is working on a revolutionarry new super pump to do the first list with secondry pumps higher up.I assume it will be done with table forms to reduce formwork stripping and errection time .

Will it be all concrete or a composite concrete core/steel frame?

There is a good chance they will be using beefed up versions of the concrete systems which have developed and perfected by Grocon on Eureka Tower including the Grocon-Lubeca jump form system (pouring 2 floors in the core at a time), the 100mpa super strength concrete and custom modified Putzmiester pump system which is currently the largest concrete pump in the world.

grollo, sounds like Grollo would have an inside edge in the tender race which is due to be awarded next week.
there is not too much composite decking here and I can think of only 1 tower that is using steel (steel is so expensive here so everything is in concrete)

Thanks for the info. SA BOY/ Grollo,
At 4 days per floor that is alot of cubic yards/meters per hour, at that rate i would have to assume more than one of these pumps you speak of, (at least for the lower 1/3 of the tower).

Does anyone know the pumping rate per hour?

In any case when this tower is about 30 floors out of the ground, we'll begin to see the true scale of this project,......... i can hardly wait for it!!!!!

Mohammed al abar told mid magazine in an interview not long after the dubai mall was announced that the Burj Dubai

will be ATLEAST ((((((((((((((( 800 )))))))))))))))))) Meters high !!!

800? Why not just go for a kilometer while they're at it? 200 m wont make too much of a difference at such great heights, and if thay can afford all that shit in the first place money shouldn't be a problem, but putting up ANOTHER tower just so it could be over a kilometer would definitely be a pain in the ass for anyone. Besides, that would set off any competition even further. The tower might keep the world record for at least half a century or something this way.

Buildings are limited by engineering too, not just by finances. It may well be impossible to build a 1-km tower based on the current foundation.

Well, I don't think there is a sucky ground foundation below an 800 meter tower...

It's not about whether the ground can support the weight, it's about the design of the current foundation. If the added height is in habitable floors, planned structural strength may be inadequate. Also, they would have to redesign much of the tower's support and utility systems.

the latest rumers (which inverably turn out to be true) are that the pinnacle will be 1001m tall therefore surpassing the burj.

the latest rumers (which inverably turn out to be true) are that the pinnacle will be 1001m tall therefore surpassing the burj.
WTH are they doing to make the Pinnacle 1001m tall?

:drool:

I have a question, why are they building the world's largest mall? Shopping malls don't really add to a city, in fact all they do is drain the life and culture off the streets. They make it much harder for smaller local businesses to prosper.

It seems to me that Dubai will be a place reliant on greedy global organisations investing in the city, rather than being self supporting economy. To me this does not seem like the ideal city...maybe the pinnicle of wealth in the middle east will be loved to death very quickly? I hope this isn't the case, I have nothing against dubai and would be fond of visiting in the future.

I have a question, why are they building the world's largest mall? Shopping malls don't really add to a city, in fact all they do is drain the life and culture off the streets. They make it much harder for smaller local businesses to prosper.

Shopping malls are required in Dubai becouse of the extreme weather condition.

I must admit, i'm jealous...... But 1001m???? :eek2: This is just getting silly! lol

It seems to me that Dubai will be a place reliant on greedy global organisations investing in the city, rather than being self supporting economy. To me this does not seem like the ideal city...maybe the pinnicle of wealth in the middle east will be loved to death very quickly? I hope this isn't the case, I have nothing against dubai and would be fond of visiting in the future.
Elaboration on "extreme weather conditions" - due to oppressive heat (50+ degrees in the summer) shops and restaurants would need to be in enclosed, air-conditioned indoor spaces, a large collection of which naturally becomes a mall.

the latest rumers (which inverably turn out to be true) are that the pinnacle will be 1001m tall therefore surpassing the burj.

i wonder what will happen when the pinnacle is gonna be taller than the burj

what will emaar, the developer of the burj, do then?

i believe the tower will be built, but is the palm structure able to withstand 1001m?

seems like there is no line to cross

Emaar Properties today announced that Samsung Corporation, the Korean group, has been appointed the main contractor for its iconic Burj Dubai tower.

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/4/10484-Burj.jpg
Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Chairman Emaar Properties and Kim Kye Ho, Executive Vice President Samsung Corporation shake hands following the announcement of the contract to build the Burj Dubai.

The signature concrete and steel tower is set to become the tallest structure in the world and will be the centerpiece of Emaar's prestigious Downtown Dubai development.

The Burj Dubai tower is part of the US$8 billion 500-acre Downtown Dubai Development, which on completion will become the Middle East's finest urban development in terms of design and lifestyle.

The contract was awarded to Samsung following an 11-month bidding process that began earlier this year and involved tender bids from major global contractors.

The excavating, piling work and raft foundation for this global architectural landmark has been completed and construction of the Tower from ground up will now be taken up by Samsung, a huge step forward in the progress of the building. Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) designed the Tower and Turner Construction International is the project and construction manager.

Samsung Corporation has been involved in the construction of numerous high-rise structures around the world and Samsung Group, its parent company, is the Fortune ranked 14th largest company in the world.

Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Chairman of Emaar Properties, said: 'Samsung Corporation has been awarded this contract because it matches Emaar's global quality standards and processes which have become benchmarks for real estate developers around the world. The company has an impeccable reputation and unrivalled expertise in constructing tall towers.

'Samsung Corporation's appointment is a defining moment and the Tower is set to rise and change the face of Dubai. The Tower represents the next stage of growth for Emaar and will be the basis for future developments and act as signpost for the ambitions of the region.'

A formal ceremony was held on the Burj Dubai site on September 20, 2004 when the concrete pouring operation for the Tower's raft foundation was witnessed by His Highness General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence.

The Tower will combine residential and commercial space, and will include a boutique hotel, recreational facilities, serviced residences, apartments and an observatory. Its unique mix of functional modernist surfaces and decorative form contains abstract references to regional and cultural influences. The Tower's base rises upward in a series of steps, providing a graceful transition as the structure ascends.

The Tower is composed of three elements arranged around a central core. As it rises from the flat desert base, each element is set back in an upward-spiraling helical pattern, decreasing the mass of the tower as it reaches toward the sky and thereby decreasing the wind effects.

A high performance exterior cladding system will be employed to withstand the extreme temperatures during Dubai's summer months. Primary materials include reflective glazing, aluminum and textured stainless steel panels and vertical stainless tubular fins accentuating the height and slenderness of the Tower.

The Burj Dubai and The Dubai Mall are part of the Middle East region's finest urban development, the Burj Dubai District. Located within the 500-acre development, the two awe inspiring buildings are surrounded by lakes and landscaped gardens; The Boulevard, a 3.5km long parade bordered by buildings that draw on a range of styles from around the world; The Residences' exclusive up-market apartments; and the stylish antiquity of The Old Town.

heard that on the news today, I wonder if some of our north american friends still doubt this is under construction?

ok
honestly it took a very long time
but great to finally here something serious again

1001 meters??!!! :eek2:

heard that on the news today, I wonder if some of our north american friends still doubt this is under construction?
i guess they won't believe it is under construction even when they see photos showing it rising.

I've Never Doubted Its Going To Rise,is How Much Is It Going To Rise. The Whole Project Is Suspicious And I Wouldn't Be Suprised If The Height Was Exagerated.

well that could be a factor to scare others off
but still

hmmm, the burj dubai is gonna be amazing, i made a 830m (without spire) tall wtc so u can see what i mean:

http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3538/newyorkskyline012xt.jpg

well, just the two former wtc towers on top of each other and you all know how god damned tall these two have been

wow great comparssion there !

Samsung won the bid to make the Burj Dubai ^^

Actually, that's a good way to compare it to how tall the Burj may be. That photo edit is a surprisingly simple yet powerful idea ^^. Beautiful photo by the way. If the Burj gets anywhere near that height even with spire or not, that's still going to be mind-blowing!

Samsung won the bid to make the Burj Dubai ^^

Well, according to a magazine article I read once, Samsung is doing so great, that any employee working for them can easily get a date just because he works for Samsung.

I like your username BTW ;)

I have two Samsung TV's. It's weird how some companies seem to make everything. Mitsubishi make cars and stationary also. I have a Mitsubishi pen.

Looking out of my 2nd story window scares the sh** out of me already. I don't think I would want to go to the top floor if I ever go to Dubai

This tower is gonna be great! When will the foundation be completed?

"The excavating, piling work and raft foundation for this global architectural landmark has been completed and construction of the Tower from ground up will now be taken up by Samsung, a huge step forward in the progress of the building. Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) designed the Tower and Turner Construction International is the project and construction manager."

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Well, according to a magazine article I read once, Samsung is doing so great, that any employee working for them can easily get a date just because he works for Samsung.

I like your username BTW ;)

I have two Samsung TV's. It's weird how some companies seem to make everything. Mitsubishi make cars and stationary also. I have a Mitsubishi pen.
thank you ^^; samsung also makes cars ^^, pens, apartments, electronics etc ^^

thank you ^^; samsung also makes cars ^^ ...

Nah, the auto division went bancrupt within a couple of years and were the French of Renault who bought them and now they just assemble Nissan Cefiro from japan, rebadged as Samsung.

This is AMAZING!!!!!!!!

I'm happy that Samsung doesn't make cars anymore. The Koreans are great at many things, but automobile manufacture is not one of them... :)

I think Samsung will do a good job on this building. Korean companies are generally very strong at following schedules as well. The tower should be done on time (or at least fairly close to schedule).

I just hope this building won't have too much of a spire on top. That would seem to diminish it's importance (and would probably be pretty ugly). I'm going to consider the success of this building based on the height of the highest floor.

Dubai interests me a great deal from an architectural perspective. I remember studying places like Disneyworld and Las Vegas in a Postmodern architecture course I took. Those places represent the idea of the "simulacrum," which is essentially a "fake" building, or rather a copy of another building or a style. Dubai, even more than Disneyworld or Vegas, is becoming the land of the simulacrum. Those new developments have areas that resemble major locales around the world (Paris, India, Egypt, etc...). And the areas are advertised as being suitable relicas ("No need to visit Paris; we've got all the major landmarks in Dubai!"). Authenticity has been completely disregarded in this case. There is something deeply Postmodern about that. I'm fascinated by this idea.

I like that, from your little post, dcb11, Im actually starting to see some beauty in this replica business!

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

http://www.alkhaleej.ae/dak/images/2004/12/17/eq-2.jpg

الصحافة الأمريكية تشيد بـ "مسار التميز" العمراني في الإمارة
برج دبي أعلى بمرتين من "بتروناس" ويتفوق على "برج الحرية"


حظي مشروع "برج دبي" باهتمام اعلامي دولي واسع النطاق كونه البرج الأطول في العالم، حيث ذكرت بعض الصحف العالمية ان طوله يصل إلى 800 متر نظراً لتصميمه شديد التميز.

وذكرت صحيفة “التايمز” البريطانية أن برج دبي تفوق على مشروع مدينة نيويورك لبناء أطول برج في العالم وهو برج الحرية الذي من المقرر تشييده مكان مركز التجارة العالمي الذي تعرض للدمار في سبتمبر/ أيلول ،2001 في حين أكدت “جيزمو” الاسترالية أن المشروع يعكس مسار التميز الذي تسير عليه مشاريع العمران الجديدة في دبي التي نجحت في التحول إلى مركز سياحي وتجاري حيوي يستقطب ملايين الزوار سنوياً. وتحدثت المجلة عن تفرد دبي ومشاريعها العمرانية العملاقة بداية من مشاريع النخلة إلى العالم ودبي لاند وغيرها من المشاريع التي ترسخ الدور الريادي للمدينة.

وبدورها تحدثت “نورث جيرسي الأمريكية” عن مشاريع دبي والسرعة القياسية التي تمضي بها الثورة العمرانية الجديدة للإمارة. وأكدت أن مشروع “برج دبي” سرق الأضواء من مشروع برج الحرية العملاق الذي تجعل منه المقارنة قزماً أمام برج دبي.

ونقلت المجلة عن اليزابيث كوباني المتحدثة باسم شركة سكيد مور أوينجز أند ميريل، أكبر شركات الهندسة العمرانية المختصة في بناء أطول أبراج العالم أن الشركة لم تعد تعتمد برج الحرية نموذجاً في حديثها عن الأبراج الأطول.

يشار إلى أن البرج الأطول في العالم اليوم هو برج سي إن في تورنتو وطوله 553 مترا، ويليه برج بتروناس التوأم في كوالالمبور ويبلغ طوله 452 مترا وقد شيد البرج عام 1998. وينتظر أن يحطم برج تايبيه 101 الرقم القياسي كثاني أطول برج في العالم، حيث من المقرر أن يصل طوله إلى 508 أمتار.

ويصل طول مبنى الإمباير ستيت في نيويورك والذي شيد عام 1931 إلى 381 متراً، أما كناري وارف في لندن فطوله 237 مترا.

ويشكل “برج دبي” جزءاً رئيسياً من مشروع وسط مدينة دبي الذي يمتد على مساحة تصل إلى 500 فدان وتقدر تكاليف إنشائه بأكثر من 8 مليارات دولار.

وسيضم البرج وحدات سكنية وتجارية وفندقاً ومكاتب ومحلات تسلية وترفيه ومساحات خضراء مفتوحة وشلالات ونوافير مياه وطرقاً خاصة بالمشاة ومدينة قديمة وأكبر مركز للتسوق في العال

"to be completed by 2008"

Impossible! 3 years? Impossible.
I'm not very sure that this will be built, but I don't doubt it if I see the pictures

Foundation work is completed , and we all know foundation work takes the longest time to complete , and now sumsung is building the tower , in 3-4 months time we will see the tower rise , be patient

can someone translate the text? interesting picture :eek:

BTW, what's the use of such high tower?

3 years it's very little time, no? :?

BTW, what's the use of such high tower?

become a very popular city by having the worlds tallest... amazing appartments @ 600m+ and more

the tower is residential, commercial and hotel

and yes, ground works always take so long, but then it's always 1 floor per week, burj dubai is even supposed to rise faster, but it will be very tough to do it in 3 years
but as we're used to incredible speed in dubai it may just take 3 years

Pedrillo , its more like 4 years

late 2008 , early 2009 , its mentioned on www.som.com too

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Dennis , the article isnt that interesting , some old news and they mention the burj was showcased in newyork , thats all , then a few facts of towers around the world , thats all

Pedrillo , its more like 4 years

late 2008 , early 2009 , its mentioned on www.som.com too

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Dennis , the article isnt that interesting , some old news and they mention the burj was showcased in newyork , thats all , then a few facts of towers around the world , thats all

Opps, ok. 4 years is more credible.

how is the groundplan going to look like ?
I've read it shall have the shape of an Arabic flower...

there are too many sources telling you different years

how is the groundplan going to look like ?
I've read it shall have the shape of an Arabic flower...

correct, but we only have these few full-size tower renders
no specific detailed renders or information
everything's top secret

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/591/3818burj_birdseye_1_bw_495.jpg

http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/photoart/031124-13B.jpg

the tower is residential, commercial and hotel

and yes, ground works always take so long, but then it's always 1 floor per week, burj dubai is even supposed to rise faster, but it will be very tough to do it in 3 years
but as we're used to incredible speed in dubai it may just take 3 years

1 floor per week? Is that for a concrete building? I know the Sears Tower rose at 14 floors every 10 days.

rising steel beam compared to rising concrete slabs are two DIFFERENT stories. Rising steel beam does APPEAR to rise faster because it is only the FIRST step of the rising process, in which more different works has to be done for the same floors. The "different works" includes floor slab formation, floorplan shape completion, and fireproofing.
Rising concrete require an appeared to be a "slower" process because when all concrete formworking are done, no other major works are required. Meaning the workers does not have to "re-visit" the same floor again and again for different works (exact opposite in steel rising where workers has to revisit the floors again)
If you look at the big pic, two EXACT same buildings (one with concrete and one with steel), Tower A (using steel) appears to rise faster, Tower B (using concrete) rise slower. But when speaking of overall work dates, two towers would complete in the SAME amount of time (assuming both towers start the construction at the same time of course)

3 years may sound impossible. But that's the reality believie it or not. In fact, most of the supertall in Asia finish in slightly less than or around 3 years time to the best of my knowledge (excluding the time for foundation)

1 floor per week? Is that for a concrete building? I know the Sears Tower rose at 14 floors every 10 days.


when i was talking about 1 floor per week i was generalizing. all towers, especially the 20 to 50 floor concrete structure towers grow 1 floor per week.

i guess it's absolutely impossible to build burj dubai out of a concrete structure. there has to be a steel structure.
but i'm not an engineer or something, so i can't tell you what the exact differences in terms of speed are.
somebody mentioned in here or in the uae forum it will rise several floors per week.
but i never expected sears tower or any other tower of steel structure to rise so fast.
but as the base is so massive, i guess they'll do 4 floors per week and when the tower gets slender on the way to the top it might take up a little more speed.

^
Sears Rose at 4 floors/wk, not 14.

Burj Dubai will be casting 4 floors at once, and they'll take a week or so to set, so it will rise at about 4 floors/wk.

Concrete towers can only rise so fast because of the time it takes for the concrete to set. Four floors a week is pushing the maximum for current technology. Steel it different. With steel, when you finish ahead of schedule, you bring in more steel beams. So technically, there really isn't a physical limit to how fast you can build a steel building. The Empire State Building has the record, with 5-6 floors per week.

are we talking about topping out in 3 years or completely finishing the tower in 3 years.because i see finishing this tower completely taking atleast 5 years.and i know that i soon as i press 'post quick reply' that the dubai forumers will deny and deny.

It's probably 3 years to initial occupancy. With buildings of this size you have tenants moving in at the bottom while still addding to the top.

I really don't care how fast this tower rises, as long as it beats out the god-awful, cheating Freedom Tower.

I wonder how long Burj Dubai will hold its record as the tallest man-made structure, before it falls to Australia's 1000m Enviromission Tower.

^You mean that thing is actually real?

^You mean that thing is actually real?
One day or another. There is already a functioning prototype built. Of course it might fail in the "final feasibility" study stage.

http://www.enviromission.com.au/
http://www.enviromission.com.au/project/project.htm

From renders it looks to be free-standing; if not, then BD will remain the tallest free-standing structure.

that austrailian project seems hilarious in my opinion,do you really need a chimney that big so that santa can deliever his presents faster.

that austrailian project seems hilarious in my opinion,do you really need a chimney that big so that santa can deliever his presents faster.


Hmmm clean pollution free energy for 200,000 houses, yes it does seem quite funny.

Oh by the way, it is possible the first of these towers may be built in china, they are showing considerable interest.

Hmmm clean pollution free energy for 200,000 houses, yes it does seem quite funny.

Oh by the way, it is possible the first of these towers may be built in china, they are showing considerable interest.


The approach is funny indeed, typically saxon western... why don´t they ask FerrariEnzo and his group to think up a cleverer, less expensive way to deal with industrial trash and filth?

whoa you austrailians don't know how to take a joke don't you guys.did anyone actually read the post.

this thread should be sticky !

Wow so how much is the building going to cost & who putting the money into it apart from samsung.

not only samsung, but they are the main contractor

here's yesterdays press release with all the contractors



Emaar names contractor for $1 billion Burj Dubai

Alabbar with Kim Kye Ho, executive vice-president of Samsung
The main contract to build the world’s tallest tower, Burj Dubai, has been awarded to the Samsung-Besix-Arabtec JV.

Speculation that the joint venture company would be successful had been rife in the market since early September, but up until last week the final agreement had yet to be signed. Commenting on Samsung’s role in the JV, Mohamed Ali Alabbar, chairman of Emaar, developer of the Burj Dubai, said: “Samsung Corporation has been awarded this contract because it matches Emaar’s global quality standards and processes, which have become benchmarks for developers around the world.

“The company has an impeccable reputation and unrivalled expertise in constructing tall towers. The tower represents the next stage of growth for Emaar and will be the basis for future developments and act as a signpost for the ambitions of the region.”

Meanwhile, the Burj Dubai, which could eventually top 800 metres, is going to cost an estimated US $1 billion to build, according to Emaar. Construction is already well underway. Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) has designed it and Turner International Construction is project and construction manager. The contract to build the structure of the tower was awarded to the JV following an 11 month process that began earlier this year and involved bids from major global contractors in joint ventures with local operations.

Middle East Foundations and Bauer did the piling work for the tower and Nasa Multiplex completed the raft. Construction of the tower from the ground up will now be taken up by the joint venture, whose members all now have some experience of high-rise construction: Samsung in Korea, Besix with Emirates Towers and Arabtec at Jumeirah Beach Residence.

Burj Dubai will combine residential and commercial space, and will include a boutique hotel, recreational facilities, serviced residences, apartments and an observatory. It will be the centrepiece of a US $8 billion residential and commercial district, known as ‘Downtown Dubai.’ This will include the Dubai Mall, currently being built by the Dutco Balfour Beatty - Al Ghandi Consolidated Contracting Co. JV, which is likely to be the world’s largest retail complex, a 3.5 km boulevard, The Residences and The Old Town.

The Burj Dubai’s base will rise upward in a series of steps and it is composed of three elements arranged around a central core. The tower thins out as it reaches towards the sky and it has been designed to reduce potential wind effects.

A high performance exterior cladding system will be employed to withstand the extreme temperatures during Dubai’s summer months. Primary materials include reflective glazing, aluminum and textured stainless steel panels, as well as vertical stainless tubular fins designed to accentuate the height and slenderness of the tower.

Burj Dubai will have to outdo some stiff competition to earn the mantle of world’s tallest building. The current champion is the 509 m Taipei 101 in Taiwan. It was completed this year. Though expectations are that Burj Dubai will soar to 810 m, the height has never been confirmed and Emaar is likely to allow for an increase in height during construction if required.

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/07/285234.jpg

What about this thing. It's suppose to be taller than Burj Dubai. Maybe that's why Burj Dubai upped the height to 1001m (rumoured)

whoa you austrailians don't know how to take a joke don't you guys.did anyone actually read the post.

Yes, sorry you were right, I was being overly sensitive.

mr man - yes, this is the pinnacle
the tower is proposed (approved) for palm jumeirah
height for this one also unknown
in a press release it was said to be built and to be 700 to 750m tall

but no official confirmation for this one, but we all know it will happen!
it also is on all palm jumeirah master plans and renderings

Dubai rocks!!! Thanks.

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/07/285234.jpg

What about this thing. It's suppose to be taller than Burj Dubai. Maybe that's why Burj Dubai upped the height to 1001m (rumoured)
The 1001m statement, even if true, would only be a bluff. One cannot extend a building's height by that much given a completed foundation. Emaar had stated the Burj Dubai's maximum potential height is only 950m.

I don't disagree but they never declared what the true height will be due to competitor reasons. No one but Emaar knows the true height the foundation can support.

only a few selected people from skidmore o&m and emaar, as well as the construction companies may know the height
i'm sure the construction workers don't know it either. the risk would be way too big

a weird feeling to build a tower without knowing how tall it will be :D

It's cool. But Quiet honestly I don't think Burj Dubai will be the tallest building in the world for long. It'll only be a matter of time before someone else in Dubai builds bigger.

where are the pics of the construction? :) i would like to see its :okay:

I don't think the Pinnacle will be built and even if it does they may not go for the record height. The Pinnacle was to be 750m.

I agree with Dubai Lover in that no one except a small few in Emaar and SOM know how tall BD will be. I'm certain of its greater than 800m height. Also that 950m foundation handling height is just a figure thrown against future competition. I believe that what they say about 950 may be true but if so, they would not go that high unless they really plan to bust 1K.

IF the Pinnacle does go throught, then I'm sure they will wait for BD's height to be absolutely confirmed, then they can get their stab at 1K. To surpass BD, you really need to finally hit "Beyond 1000".

if the pinnacle goes through it might range between 700 and 750 as a nakheel official has said. it wouldn't surprise me the tower already is under construction

the press release also said on the second palm island, palm jebel ali, an even longer tower will be constructed. this one might tower above 800 then.

i'm sure they will build both, but i definitely want a confirmation for this

how come i haven't heard alot of news about pinnacle

A rendering of the entire project around Burj Dubai

http://hometown.aol.de/surftyp1980/dubai/Downtown+Dubai.jpg

^ Do I see parking lots? WHYYYYYY? That's so anti-density! I hate them!


On another note, are they gonna build this with the typical crane?
Wouldn't something of this, um, fuking huge, height require something else?
What about wind? At this height, it would be outrageous!
Do you guys get hurricanes or typhoons or other huge storms?
If so, what is being done to protect the building from them?
Damn I am curious! :D

And damn I am still skeptical of this being built! But that's me, I don't believe anything till I see it!

Oh, and are there actually going to be parking lots around this? God I hope not...

how come i haven't heard alot of news about pinnacle

there has never been a press release so far, just one interview with an official of nakheel, the company to build the palms and the pinnacle.
the official said it will be built and on palm jebel ali a longer tower will be erected. that's all news we got!
but as the pinnacle is visible on all the palm jumeirah masterplans it is very likely the tower gets built
but nothing changed so far on the palm jebel ali masterplans

if the pinnacle goes through it must be decided next summer the latest, otherwise palm jumeirah is ready and the tower is still at ground work

let's just wait and see


vlad - no, we don't have dangerous storms. but the structure is said to be able to withstand strong winds

I dont think that silver striped area to the right of the burj is a parking lot, its probably the roof of Dubai Mall!

is there an observation deck in burj dubai, and what floor will it be located, i hope it is located on the top floor, so we could probably see all of dubai and even beyond, the view would be just amazing, i cant wait for burj dubai to be completed,

I had read that the observatory will be at the top of BD. There have been no other details on that to the best of my knowledge.

Dubai Lover

First time I'm hearing about this "palm jebel-ali" tower you just mentioned above. If this building is built, surely it would surpass Burj Dubai since it will be going up much later. If BD is 800m or slightly more, then I still believe that those who are planning The Pinnacle will extend the spire height to surpass BD. After that the ball is in the hands of this new palm jebel tower you just mentioned.

For these reasons above, I believe that there is a chance that officials at Emaar would want their building to be absolutely the tallest. This is why BDs mystery height may be well in excess of 800m, possibly over 900m.

Either Burj Dubai, The Pinnacle (if it goes through), and Palm Jebel (if that goes through) will break 1000m.

Lotta fun, lotta fun

the roof of B D looks to be no more than 400m in all the renderings i've seen of it. or are the renderings, like the one above, out of scale?

Possibly. The renders are generally inaccurate. I am not sure about this specific one, but a different "Downtown Dubai" render had Sydney photoshopped into the background. Talk about accuracy.

the only rendering i trust is on www.som.com

som wouldnt put some fake rendering

comparing the palm trees on the rendering to th existing buildings on SZR, it appears that the trees are nearly 10 floors high!!!

the roof of B D looks to be no more than 400m in all the renderings i've seen of it. or are the renderings, like the one above, out of scale?


Fuck... How many times must we go over this... The tower is at least 600m tall, renderings are artistic impression and they are anyone to make a statement such as this, "the roof of B D looks to be no more than 400m in all the renderings i've seen of it. or are the renderings, like the one above, out of scale?" based on a rendering is a fool.

Fuck... How many times must we go over this... The tower is at least 600m tall, renderings are artistic impression and they are anyone to make a statement such as this, "the roof of B D looks to be no more than 400m in all the renderings i've seen of it. or are the renderings, like the one above, out of scale?" based on a rendering is a fool.

hey calm down! i'm no fool. i just don't come to this thread every second of every day like you probably do! and i don't have the time to waste reading back over every reply explaining why the renders are so out of scale! evidently you do.

so going with your reply, why is it that renders i've seen of many other projects (some only a fraction the expense of this elephant) turn out quite accurate? are there no decent artists working with this tower that can give us a better vision of what it'll look like once completed? at least a render that's to scale with it's surroundings? i've found all BD renderings to date quite laughable.

you can see burj dubai and the business bay !!!
http://www.ayuplanet.com/smussuw/Image(101).jpg

Jesus Christ.

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this last pic is just wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's more like it.

You' re right! It is going to be a big motherfucker...

Minor question: how does one pronounce "Burj"?

Minor question: how does one pronounce "Burj"?

Burj :)

I was wondering since some spellings do not have the J - that perhaps the J is silent, or pronounced like Y as in German.

Great picture! its gonna be sooooooooo tall :o

burj is said as it looks in english. but bur is a diferent word, bur dubai, is the old downtown area around the creek, burj means tower, but im guessin that bur means built up town area..

been there 2 hours ago and took some pics of the construction site from the sales center

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construction pics of the mother of towers :D

all 3 pics taken from the residences sales center

the base will be incredibly massive! the hole is about 200m wide!

the left end of the site with the residences in the background
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Construction/Burj Dubai/december2004-1.jpg


a wider shot of the site with al mualla and nuaimi tower in the background on sheikh zayed road
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Construction/Burj Dubai/december2004-2.jpg


construction on the deepest level of the tower :D
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Construction/Burj Dubai/december2004-3.jpg

Thanks a lot for the pictures DL :) they are great to say the least , wow its HUGE

Thanks a lot for the great pics! Hope you're enjoying your trip. :)

OMG
I have seen the hole of the Union Square Phase 7 but this is 10 times bigger.
After this picture i would say the building will be at least 2 km high*g*

I can`t wait until the tower starts to rise.

Thanx for getting pics i've been waiting for pics. Well everyone has.

Ok, this may have been asked before but where does Dubai get all it's construction workers from?

Ok, this may have been asked before but where does Dubai get all it's construction workers from?
All over the place would be the best answer. Not sure what the exact distribution is between locals, Asians, etc. though.

Ok, this may have been asked before but where does Dubai get all it's construction workers from?

most of them (let's say 90%) are from india and pakistan (and bangladesh)

i guess there are about 100.000 construction workers in this city

someone has the correct number?

Stunningly large hole for the foundations indeed. The base of the building is very, very cool aswell

Business bay looks like something striaght out of a sci-fi movie. I love the way every thing is circular, it looks so damn impressive!

The Burj will undeniably be the most awesome structure ever created by man if it reaches its rumoured height of 800m+

I shall watch with great interest....

That base is absolutely MASSIVE:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

I want more pics :master:

most of them (let's say 90%) are from india and pakistan (and bangladesh)

i guess there are about 100.000 construction workers in this city

someone has the correct number?

They are definitly more than 400,000 in the whole UAE.

The hole is massive, but I believe it includes the circular area of water around the tower.

(what do we want?) CONSTRUCTION PICS!!! (when do we want 'em?) NOW!!!

(what do we want?) CONSTRUCTION PICS!!! (when do we want 'em?) NOW!!!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=2870613&postcount=616

It was posted one page back.

The hole is massive, but I believe it includes the circular area of water around the tower.


the lakes have already been finished and are filled with water
i guess this fenced area will also contain the entrance area and some space around the tower

The tower has a landscaped terrace around it, perhaps 300m wide. You can see it in the aerial render.