Burj Dubai Update

[Dubai_Boy]

Mohammed al abar told mid magazine in an interview not long after the dubai mall was announced that the Burj Dubai

will be ATLEAST ((((((((((((((( 800 )))))))))))))))))) Meters high !!!



for any of you who know how to read arabic ....

this is the article in todays arabian newspaper


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and for the english speaking people ... well you`ll just have to wait for the english newspapers to write about it
:guns1:

[teunster]

That is going to be one big motherfucker!

[Bahraini Spirit]

thats a cool article, great news. thx for the update.

[some_stupid_nut]

:: waits for english newspapers to write about it ::

[freson]

800 meters!!!!
They are f*cking crazy!

[Chad]

unbelievable..........:dizzy:

[Dennis]

amazing :eek:

[Shockwave]

SYKO!

[Tom1968]

800 :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[RafflesCity]

Cant u translate the important points of the article?
I'm VERY curious to know whats going on with it..like when will construction start?!

[Dubai_Boy]

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[Umawi]

Main points in article :

- at least 800m high

- foundations at least 50m deep

- to be completed by 2008

- total area including all facilities will exceed 14 million square feet

- "Skidmore" architects will design the tower (I think they mean SOM)

- a 9 million sqaure foot mall will be also built (separate project), it will be called "Dubai Mall"

- both the mall project and Burj Dubai follow "Emaar" company based in the UAE

[Dubai_Boy]

Ok raffles city

1- it will be atleast 800 meters tall

2- there will be a possibility to make it taller if needed

3- 30 major international companies are all wanting to take part in this project

4- Early next month ..........the company responsible for the foundation will be chosen and foundation work will start soon after ... the foundation will be 50 meters deep ... and 170 slabs will be put in

5- Skidmore will be responsibe for the designs and stuff !!! and turner international will supervise the project

Thats about it .... the rest talks about the dubai mall

[RafflesCity]

Thank you Umawi and Dubai Boy!

It sounds exciting and seems to be getting real.:angel1:

[GreatSky]

Can anyone tell me the need for a 2,625 foot tall tower in Dubai?

[Umawi]

Making other cities jealous for one thing ;)

[CaptainJackSparrow]

No need, its a tourist attraction.

[Chad]

Originally posted by Umawi

Making other cities jealous for one thing ;)

...yeah, and I'm one of them.....:cool:

[De Snor]

We have a building that becomes 150 m higher .... how is this going to effect the design :?

this is the 650m design :

http://www.emaar.com/new/gfx/burjNew.jpg


the 800+ design :

:?

[larven]

I love how it says on the website about the shopping mall that the height of Burj Dubai will be a closely guarded secret only to be revealed in the final stages of construction. This is going to be one huge tower and no doubt will comprehensively trump all the other WTB pretenders.:D

[CaptainJackSparrow]

I think it's awesome, the Sheikh in the UAE should be congratulated, these kind of massive structures become symbolic and the Burj Dubai will be a stunning symbol for Dubai, which already has all these other fantastic towers.

Honestly, hats off to the dude, there's a guy who knows how to get maximum bang for the buck. The Asian WTB contenders pale in comparison, SWFC - 480m? pft!

800 metres! Way to go!

[Bahraini Spirit]

think bout it the article said no less than 800 m and the height can be increased during construction so they can blow off any contenders. and 50 m deep i was amazed, thats huge, twice the size of a basketball court approx.

[RafflesCity]

Not to mention the elevator system for that thing will be very interesting too!

[freson]

Originally posted by De Snor

We have a building that becomes 150 m higher .... how is this going to effect the design :?

this is the 650m design :

http://www.emaar.com/new/gfx/burjNew.jpg


the 800+ design :

:?
MAybe is the same one but with some more floors and an structural spire on the top....

[Blunther]

Good God

[waterloo]

awww...I was hoping Seoul's IBC (580m) will be the tallest building...--;

[rj2uman]

All I can say is WOW. If you have the billions and the vision go for it!!! The Emier (sp??) is a man that needs to be emailed and told that he has new fans! SSC Fans! :master:

[oracle]

If it becomes real it will be really gigantic!

[3tmk]

now thats the spirit I like.
Go Dubai! I'm in for it, the tallest being in Dubai, they can count on me to come spend my money on their attractions.
And what I like the most is that it can be made taller! :bow: :bow:
they should give an award to their prince to the good of skyscrapers

[Nizey]

800 meters? That'll dwarf everything around it. Who cares? How cool would it be if they added another 200 meters. It would be 1000 meters, wouldn't that be cool?
I think it will bring more tourist money than the amount of it's cost plus, i'd like to see the view from the top, i would probably be able ti see Bahadad!:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :D :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Bahraini Spirit]

for ppl who still have their doubts, read this the section under burj dubai and see what the expert says:

http://www.emporis.info/en/nc/iv/as/

[RafflesCity]

I read that interview and I feel even more assured about the viability of this project. Now, if it halts for whatever reason in the future, I will be VERY dismayed!:moods:

[rj2uman]

Originally posted by RafflesCity

I read that interview and I feel even more assured about the viability of this project. Now, if it halts for whatever reason in the future, I will be VERY dismayed!:moods:

If Raff believes, I believe......

[GreatSky]

I highly doubt this tower will rise. 800 meters in 4 years with reinforced concrete? What, will superman be building it? Their is no need for this tower in Dubai and it will more than likely be an economic flop. C'mon Dubai, prove me wrong.

[waterloo]

Their is no need for this tower in Dubai and it will more than likely be an economic flop

I agree. 800m is crazy~!

[invincible]

Originally posted by GreatSky

I highly doubt this tower will rise. 800 meters in 4 years with reinforced concrete? What, will superman be building it? Their is no need for this tower in Dubai and it will more than likely be an economic flop. C'mon Dubai, prove me wrong.

800m of concrete in four years is possible, 250m of concrete for the Rialto (plus 180m for its attached tower) was poured in just over a year (the current speed record for a concrete building). It was built in almost the fastest speed physically possible as there has to be a provision for the concrete to set.

Grocon (who built Rialto and are (are they?) building Burj Dubai) are a family-run business that started in Melbourne and is currently in its third generation. It started as a simple concreting business run by an Italian immigrant but is now the leader in concrete technology as seen in the Eureka tower.

[Bahraini Spirit]

this tower is provin a success, ppl bought from it loads of apartments a month or so ago and it sold out what it had on offer very fast.

[Grollo]

Maybe the 800m height figure is just a message to any other developers who are planning a world's tallest syaing don't even bother, no matter how high you go we will go higher, much higher :-) It wouldn't be very difficult to add another 100m of spire if the world's tallest title is up for grabs. I think they are syaing that they can go up to 800m but if no other buildings are U/C or planned near that height by 2007 maybe they will settle for 700m, which is still almost 200m higher than the current world's tallest!!!.

[TallBox]

800m? sweet jesus...

even 600m is a goliathan tower, dwarfing EVERYTHING.....800m will be surreal.

hehe, its funny to see some of the americans getting annoyed that a country, hosting some 'enemies of freedom', are building the world's tallest tower - pissing over the sears tower by a good 350m! :D

but if theyre genuinely questioning if it will be built, i am too wondering if it will really be 800m. in all honesty, i think, theyll settle for around 550-600m as this is really the economic threshold of getting the wtb title.

anyway, the interview with the som architect sorta adds credibility and validates the proposal - so i really hope this tower gets built at it's fuill height.

go dubai!!! :cheers:

[Black Cat]

I have my doubts about this project and many others at Dubai, but what has been achieved there is remarkable already. But if this is real, it is a true WOW project. 800m though is incredibly high - hope the elevator never fails if you live near the top!

[SPiKE]

OH MY FOOT!!! :eek2:

i can't believe this...i can't wait until i see it with my own eyes :happy:

GO DUBAI!>>>> :cheers1:

[RafflesCity]

Originally posted by rj2uman

If Raff believes, I believe......

Thank you rj! I'm not a reliable barometer though:nocrook:

[tigi]

Originally posted by GreatSky

I highly doubt this tower will rise. 800 meters in 4 years with reinforced concrete? What, will superman be building it? Their is no need for this tower in Dubai and it will more than likely be an economic flop. C'mon Dubai, prove me wrong.
they don't built for some monetary reason.
The do it to tell the western world something about the power of the orient.

[sasha ITALIA]

it's a crazy project....but COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!


i want to see it in New York City...

[waterloo]

If it is 800+m it would snow on top and rain at bottom...

[De Snor]

Originally posted by De Snor

We have a building that becomes 150 m higher .... how is this going to effect the design :?

this is the 650m design :

http://www.emaar.com/new/gfx/burjNew.jpg


the 800+ design :

:?

Here is the 800+ tower :eek:

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/5/burj_pers_10_03_495.jpg

[Midnight Rambler]

WOW

[Grollo]

Looks to be 150 stories+!!!

[Dennis]

thats sooooooo insane! :o :o :o

amazing tower

[freson]

Too classy!!!! :baaa:

[some_stupid_nut]

How can something be too classy????

[TallBox]

it looks like a bunch of trump world towers clumped together...


no surprise really cos som are the designers...

[Nova Singapore]

Wow, a beautiful tower, almost as beautiful as Cesar Pelli's "Skyneedle" Miglin Beitler Tower for Chicago... but can 14 M sq ft gross built area fit in that design? I figure out at most 7 million sq ft in that building as it is...

Also, is it really the 800+ m version? Do they need to change the foundations to put the taller version there? Or are they ready even for a 1000 m tower?

[Dubai_Boy]

Interesting Up date here

Press me (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22083)

[freson]

Originally posted by Dubai_Boy

Interesting Up date here

Press me (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22083)
:eek2:!
It looks they are for very real!
I thought the works and everything would start in a couple of years, not now!

[CULWULLA]

....................

[New Jack City]

It's hard to believe it, I think that construction will start but I'm skeptical if it will reach the proposed height in the end.

Dubai_Boy, don't be lazy, post some of your pics over here! :cool:

[CaptainJackSparrow]

As someone who is often in Dubai on business if they say they're going to build it I believe it, they have the means and the will I can tell you that much! This one is guaranteed to be world's tallest, in my mind it's the most likely of all the supertalls to go ahead, might as well pour the champagne already.

So, yeah Dubai will get the crown, possibly for a quite a long time and hats off to them! I know I'll be checking it and Dubai out when it's finished cos 800metres is insane!

[Nova Singapore]

Yup, I don't know anyone at this moment who has proposed anything even close to 800 m - in fact, the NY WTC Freedom Tower, and Moscow Tower of Russia are both at "only" 640 m. And I don't know anyone yet to express an open intention to build taller.

But izzit 800 m or 800+ m ? And what about the floor area? Can't be 14 M sq ft really ?!?

[ulb]

Originally posted by CaptainJackSparrow

As someone who is often in Dubai on business if they say they're going to build it I believe it, they have the means and the will I can tell you that much! This one is guaranteed to be world's tallest, in my mind it's the most likely of all the supertalls to go ahead, might as well pour the champagne already.

So, yeah Dubai will get the crown, possibly for a quite a long time and hats off to them! I know I'll be checking it and Dubai out when it's finished cos 800metres is insane!
just by curiosity what kind of business you do in dubai.?

[Dubai_Boy]

Nova Singapore

Mohammed al Abar said that this Huge tower would be atleast 800 meters

so in other words thats 800+:angel1:

[Greg]

I have my doubts that Burj Dubai will be 800m+
Probably a realistic hight is 550m and by the look of that spire it will have a final hight of 600 - 650m.

[larven]

Looking at that thread and others related to Burj Dubai on sspage.com makes me realise why I don't bother posting there. There's some real idiots who can't seem to get it through they're thick skulls that this is going to be built and its going to blow they're beloved "Freedom tower" away!:D

Anyway heres an image I nicked from that thread that I haven't seen on sscity before.

http://swiss.jeeran.com/dm2.jpg

[Jan]

I am really interested in the elevator scheme of this tower. One of the reasons the 'Illinois' was impossible to built was that elevators would take up so much space in the floor plan there hardly was any rentable office space left. There is indeed a quota on how tall and slender one can built, and this one looks very close to it.

[larven]

Here's the text relating to Burj Dubai from the interview with Adrian Smith conducted by Skyscrapers.com. Makes interesting reading.



Burj Dubai is an interesting project because there is very little context for a building of this height to draw from in Dubai. The city has a heritage similar to Bahrain – it’s a historic Middle Eastern trading port with lots of desert and the same water conditions, but here I am trying to connect on a more organic level. You know the onion dome shapes that you see in mosques and other buildings in Dubai, for example; we used these shapes but in plan, not in elevation. The onion dome shapes will only be seen when looking up from near the base at certain angles.


At the setbacks?

Yes, so if you point it out to someone who doesn’t know about it they might say, "Ah-ha! I see what you’re talking about!" The other aspect that relates to Dubai is the desert flower - the shape of the desert flower has three major petals and three minor petals. This is seen in plan and is a central organizing force in the building.


Will the building have lobes as you might see it from the top view?

Yes, the lobes at the base of the building are the entry vestibules to the various functions. Looking down from the sky you would be able to see these elements and discern the shape of the flower. The base of the building will be very dense with a stainless steel latticework, which will have characteristics similar to the traditional mashrabiyya screens used in Islamic architecture. The traditional screens are typically made of wood, and they are used to block a lot of light and heat from coming into the spaces they contain, giving a filtered light quality to the interior space. Usually you can open pieces of the screen if you want to look out. The base of Burj Dubai will be heavily screened on the first three or four levels to give it a dense metallic texture.


Will the building be a mix of concrete and steel?

The structure is all reinforced concrete below the spire. The spire above the observation floors will be steel. Architecturally, the building will transition from a solid base expression to a vertically expressed midddle section of polished stainless steel projected metal fins and glass. I wanted to use only vertical elements here because the fine dust in Dubai's air will build up on any horizontal projecting elements of the wall. They have sandstorms quite frequently so in order to reduce maintenance costs this tower will have virtually no horizontal ledges.


Burj Dubai is going to be an incredibly tall building from the renderings I’ve seen. Can you tell us how tall you’re going to build it?

Well, we want to keep it purposely under wraps so that nobody knows the height until it’s finished. Emaar, our client, definitely wants Burj Dubai to be the tallest building in the world upon completion. We may include elements that can grow during construction, if needed. You know from the history of the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building that height can be added to the design during construction.


When you’re building that tall, what kinds of challenges do you face? It seems to me that when you take it to that next level the economic challenges must be astronomical compared to other super-tall buildings such as Sears Tower?

Economics is a very important issue, and I’ll get back to that, but from a structural engineering perspective I believe we’re pushing the limits of the height at which structures can be built profitably at this time. This one happens to be a concrete core with concrete arms going out towards the three legs of the building. We do believe that we have a project here that can be justified economically. The building will offer terrific condominium units of the highest standard with incredible views at a very high efficiency ratio of net to gross area. The combination of residential and hotel uses makes this a viable project economically. We have learned this from both Tower Palace III in Seoul, Korea and Trump Tower Chicago, both very tall buildings which are predominantly residential.


Is there any similarity to the bundled tube concept of Sears Tower and One Magnificent Mile?

No, and the structural concept being used in _Burj Dubai structure could only be used in residential and hotel-type buildings because of the cellular nature of the floorplan. But it happens to be a very efficient and cost-effective structure because it's all concrete. Concrete is the least expensive and most rigid material for tall buildings. If this were done in steel it would move too much in the wind for a residential building. The structure will be very different from Sears and One Mag Mile.


I suppose it's no coincidence then that the highest residences you could have in a steel structure are those within the John Hancock Center.

Well, one could go taller than the Hancock Center in steel but the economics of the steel structure would be prohibitive given the stiffness that the structure would have to achieve. Super-tall building engineering is all about trying to eliminate the perception of movement within the building.

Does that have to do with a bettter quality of concrete?

Well, that’s interesting. This building has been engineered very carefully, and on super-tall buildings there are all sorts of factors that affect how the structure will work. For example, a building with the same shape of floor plate all the way up and down is not as good as a shape that changes as it goes up. And there’s a phenomenon when the wind blows on a building: let’s say the wind is blowing from the west – it will hit the west façade and it has to get around the building, so it starts moving up the wall, down, and around the sides. The wind actually accelerates because it has to move not only the air that’s blocked by the façade but also the air by the two sides, compressing the air as it moves around the tower. This compression at the tower's edge and subsequent decompression on the back side of the tower creates eddies, or vortexes, that can exert stronger forces on the building than the wind itself and these forces tend to pull or rock the building from side to side. It is this acceleration of movement that we design to control.
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Was there anything remarkable about the way your design for _Tower Palace Three, Tower G in Seoul was designed to handle wind loads?

Yes, basically the shape and skin texture of the building play an important role in vortex shedding because they can help to prevent the forces from building up in a harmonious way. The three-legged shape of the floor plan on Tower Palace III and Burj Dubai give the buildings significant width to withstand horizontal movement and depth to buttress against the wind forces.

We’ve been through three wind tunnel tests on Burj Dubai. One of the important things we learned was that the taller legs need to be on the sides of the prevailing wind rather than the front face because that sheds the vortexes more effectively. The texture of the façade and the weight distribution also affect how wind impacts the structure – for instance how much weight is at the top of the building, and where the columns are placed.

When do they expect to start construction?

They want to start foundations in January 2004.

[RafflesCity]

Wow..thanks for that rendition!
That custom-made lake looks really suitable for this beauty!

[TallBox]

burj dubai is gona piss all over every other building in the world - literally; if i went to the top of burj dubai and saw sears, taipei 101 and freedom tower 200-300m below me, i'd piss down on them baby!! :guns1:

that illustration of burj dubai and its surroundings really highlight that the building isn't super thin (which, IMO, would be ugly), but has a decent width, giving the sense of strength.

it seems so surreal, because, 2 months ago, i hadn't even HEARD of burj dubai, and already theyre starting construction. whereas, in london, i've heard of LBT for the past 5-6 years and still nothing is ready to go up for another two years.

go dubai!

[larven]

Originally posted by shaun
it seems so surreal, because, 2 months ago, i hadn't even HEARD of burj dubai, and already theyre starting construction. whereas, in london, i've heard of LBT for the past 5-6 years and still nothing is ready to go up for another two years.

go dubai!

Yes there are certain places in the world where they know how to get things done including Dubai, Hong Kong etc.

Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten how to do that in the UK.

[some_stupid_nut]

Whoo hoo! :: waits for construction to begin :: I have lots of confidence in this project. Screw SWFC, been on hold too long. Go Burj Dubai!

[PHLguy]

has burj started construction?

[Bahraini Spirit]

either end of month or january itll kick of, so soooooon fingers crossed and be patient.

[3tmk]

Originally posted by shaun

burj dubai is gona piss all over every other building in the world - literally; if i went to the top of burj dubai and saw sears, taipei 101 and freedom tower 200-300m below me, i'd piss down on them baby!! :guns1:
me too! F*ck NYC, Seoul or HK! this is the real Thing!!! I wonder how much an apt. costs in one of those towers in Dubai?

[freson]

:omg:
This project really kick a$$!

All the people trying to make the tallest one have lost!!!!:D

How will feel like Libeskind???:hilarious

@jan: I would also know some another technical data like the dimension of the base columns and the mechanism to avoid the wind and earthqake foreces.... the main one in the skyscrapers!

[Dubai_Boy]

3mtk

I was at the IDEX conference for technology and computers held in Dubai about a month ago ... and i saw alot ALOT of people buying apartments ....

from what i have heard the price goes up 10,000$ each time you go up a floor !!!!

[Edmundtanso]

what an awsome building. good thing skyscraper are gettimg higher and higher.

glad, taipei 101 wont be the tallest anymore, it's an ugly design building.

[PHLguy]

will it really be 800m???

i have my doubts on that

[PHLguy]

if it is really that high then every other city in the world is put to shame...NYC, Chicago, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Taipei, Seoul ect...all down the crapper.......if burj dubai is built i wont consider the ESB a skyscraper anymore....i also wont consider sears a supertall...

[Dubai_Boy]

ech1368

If you had Burj Dubai in New york or any other major city ... You wouldnt think much of the scrapers in those cities .... Burj Dubai is half way across the globe from these cities ... so you will still feel that all the great buildings out there are still and will remain super talls ........... unless ofcourse if you but them side by side with the BD :D

[CaptainJackSparrow]

In my mind:

150-300m = Skyscraper (Tall) - eg. Swiss Re
300-450m = Superscraper (Supertall) - eg. Bank of China
450-600m = Megascraper (Megatall) - eg. T101
600-750m = Hyperscraper (Hypertall) - Nothing like this exist. BD skips this category altogether.
750-900m = anyone got a name? - This is Burj Dubai category! Perhaps superdupermegascraper?

[sasha ITALIA]

so tall????? 800 m ?????
in my opinion is a crazy project.......

[Kaneda]

800 m !!! WOW ! :cool: That pic larven posted is awsome. Love how they put water all around it.

[caspervc]

Originally posted by CaptainJackSparrow

In my mind:

150-300m = Skyscraper (Tall) - eg. Swiss Re
300-450m = Superscraper (Supertall) - eg. Bank of China
450-600m = Megascraper (Megatall) - eg. T101
600-750m = Hyperscraper (Hypertall) - Nothing like this exist. BD skips this category altogether.
750-900m = anyone got a name? - This is Burj Dubai category! Perhaps superdupermegascraper?


i'm not a german, but i will call it "überscraper!"

[windsorcastle]

wow thats high :cheers:

[LoveCPH]

I think it's very cool :guns1: But 800 m is much. :?

[freson]

Originally posted by CaptainJackSparrow

In my mind:

150-300m = Skyscraper (Tall) - eg. Swiss Re
300-450m = Superscraper (Supertall) - eg. Bank of China
450-600m = Megascraper (Megatall) - eg. T101
600-750m = Hyperscraper (Hypertall) - Nothing like this exist. BD skips this category altogether.
750-900m = anyone got a name? - This is Burj Dubai category! Perhaps superdupermegascraper?
GigaSkyscraper?

[Andrew]

It's mind boggling! Canm anyone post a diagram of BD next to the other world's tallest like T101, Petronas, Sears and ESB?

[Avatar]

150-300m = Skyscraper (Tall) - eg. Swiss Re
300-450m = Superscraper (Supertall) - eg. Bank of China
450-600m = Megascraper (Megatall) - eg. T101
600-750m = Hyperscraper (Hypertall) - Nothing like this exist. BD skips this category altogether.
750-900m = PhallisMajorious (True Penis envy)- This is Burj Dubai category! Perhaps superdupermegascraper?

1000m+ = Mother of all Towers (MOAT) - Environmission Solar Tower - Australia

[Dubai_Boy]

avatar will it have apartments hotels department stores !!!

or will it just be some comminication + solar + observation deck !!!

[Avatar]

unfortunately the later... but it will still be taller :colgate:

[Engineer]

Here's a recent article from ENR:

http://enr.construction.com/news/buildings/archives/031124.asp

Note the plan view in the link.

[PHLguy]

if the plan is built...why do they need to keep it a secret?

[PT]

Originally posted by ech1368

if the plan is built...why do they need to keep it a secret?

Same suspicion here!:D


IBC Seoul is making progress as planned accurately, whereas Burj is making mystery of it day by day

I highly doubt Burj
Why this can't sure of it, even height
:D :? :? :? :? :? :?

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Cos Secrecy is power dude! What' the point of yapping about the height now anyway whilst the other contenders are still sorting themselves out. If I were them I'd keep it quiet as well.

Having said that, the height is obviously adjustable so it probably doesn't matter much in the end.

[coth]

Originally posted by CaptainJackSparrow
600-750m = Hyperscraper (Hypertall) - Nothing like this exist. BD skips this category altogether.


Captain, - nothing? How about Freedom Tower (640m) and Russia Tower (648m)?

[freson]

Originally posted by CaptainJackSparrow

Cos Secrecy is power dude! What' the point of yapping about the height now anyway whilst the other contenders are still sorting themselves out. If I were them I'd keep it quiet as well.

Having said that, the height is obviously adjustable so it probably doesn't matter much in the end.

But 800 meters is nothing that someone can easyly pass!!!!

[freson]

http://enr.construction.com/images/031124-13B.jpg

[PHLguy]

For the 10th time tower of russia was cancelled

[coth]

for the 101th time!
Tower of Russia is not cancelled.
Tower was proposed to approving!
24 september Moscow Government set date for approving for autumn of 2004. Currently it planned to begin at end of 2006!

[PHLguy]

then why does skyscrapers.com say its cancelled

[Bahraini Spirit]

trust skyscrapers.com in some of its data but not in many. small example, looking at the bahrain section, its never updated and data is incorrect. they have two towers approver (al zamil tower) and in real life they started construction a year ago, they dont have the bahrain financial harbour towers in there and theyre missing other skyscrapers, so its incomplete.

[coth]

Originally posted by ech1368

then why does skyscrapers.com say its cancelled


really?
http://www.emporis.info/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100839&bt=2&ht=2&sro=1

[PHLguy]

cool. i guess they changed it:D

[oracle]

Originally posted by coth

for the 101th time!
Tower of Russia is not cancelled.
Tower was proposed to approving!
24 september Moscow Government set date for approving for autumn of 2004. Currently it planned to begin at end of 2006!

A multibillion dollar project in Russia ? Who will finance it, the mafia ? Forget it.

[coth]

Originally posted by oracle
A multibillion dollar project in Russia ? Who will finance it, the mafia ? Forget it.
First. Investor was found! But I don't know who it.
Second. You forgot, so Russia have largest gaz corporation, and few largest oil companies. Also largest nickel corporation.
Russian economy is rising! GDP per human incresed from 2100$ in 1998 to 9300$ in 2003.
Third. If not Russian, it may be foreign investors. City of Moscow is most gainful, for investors, city in Europe.
Fourth. NO Russian mafia! It's only a fiction! Just you call to mafia all russian killers. So ok. The Washingon Sniper killing many of people. So they is American Mafia! NO Russian Mafia! Only fiction! Forget it!
Fifth. As you know, in Moscow at may of 2004 begin Complex Federation. First Supertall for Europe. Multibillions project too.

[Bahraini Spirit]

latest news about emaar, the developing company:


Kuwaiti investors have bought a 5.7 per cent stake in the UAE's Emaar Properties - valued at Dh375 million, a report said.

Shuaa Capital has arranged the sale of - to Kuwaiti investors.
The transaction value was based on Emaar's latest closing price on the Dubai Financial Market. The shares were held by Emaar Properties as part of its treasury shares programme established last year, the Gulf News said.

Shuaa Capital has confirmed it acted as the sole underwriter for the shares which were placed with investors primarily from Kuwait, in a single purpose company, Emirates Opportunities 1 Limited.

The transaction was co-managed by Al-Ahlia Investment Company and Gulfinvest, two well-known financial institutions based in Kuwait. The sale marks the latest step in a plan by Emaar to expand its shareholding base to include GCC investors.

Further plans are underway to broaden its shareholder base internationally as it considers the merit of a secondary listing on an international stock exchange in an effort to raise its profile and eventually tap into the international capital markets, the report said.

[oracle]

Originally posted by coth

First. Investor was found! But I don't know who it.
Second. You forgot, so Russia have largest gaz corporation, and few largest oil companies. Also largest nickel corporation.
Russian economy is rising! GDP per human incresed from 2100$ in 1998 to 9300$ in 2003.
Third. If not Russian, it may be foreign investors. City of Moscow is most gainful, for investors, city in Europe.
Fourth. NO Russian mafia! It's only a fiction! Just you call to mafia all russian killers. So ok. The Washingon Sniper killing many of people. So they is American Mafia! NO Russian Mafia! Only fiction! Forget it!
Fifth. As you know, in Moscow at may of 2004 begin Complex Federation. First Supertall for Europe. Multibillions project too.

I agree, Russia's economy has rised, but the vast majority of the people living in Russia are poor as hell, Moscow is probably only one of a few points touched by the benefits of the better economy.

The company where a friend works has just lost more than 350 million dollars it invested in Moscow, and every single dollar has been stolen by a mafia that is present absolutely in every sector of the economy, government and police. After unsuccessful trys to get the money back that just abandoned, closed every single one of their projects for a future expansion in the country.

Russian Mafia fiction ? Whether you are dreaming or you try to make your country look better than it is.

I do not see any (safe) superscraper built in Russia for a long time, because somebody will steal part or all of the money or the investors will change their mind in front of the bureaucracy present in the Russian organizations.

[coth]

I'm not dreaming! You call to mafia every Russian gangster! That's not right! Mafia is organization, not single gangster.
Bureaucrats and extort local officials. Well. It's true. But in Moscow on very low level.

About your company.
I know many of Russian, which go to US and pusshed off with that promblem! High level of extorting of local officials, not fair american businessmans, bankrupting many of Russian companies and businessmans!


You don't see, because...?
Generally, it changing for a better mind.
I say again - bureaucrats in Moscow on very low level!

[De Snor]

Aren't we off topic here ...

[coth]

Yes De Snor:wink2: - You are right! Oracle - that's not good - you offtop here. As well, we already discuss it in Europe section.

[sasha ITALIA]

Russian aren't rich

[coth]

Russian... well, may be. But Moscow "is not Russia", we are rich!

[Reaching Skies]

I seriously doubt that the 800m tower in Dubai will be ever build, at least within the next 15-30 years. Same applies for the russian tower. Tough I'm a skyscraper enthusiast, I can only note that those fantastic skyscrapers are just wishdreams. Economically they're one of the worst desicions a company or government can make (A tower over 450m can't be profitable).
And sadly the time will prove that I'm right~

[beyond 1000]

I still think that the Burj Dubai will be built. I'm hesitant that it will go to 800m however. I agree with Reaching Skies in that such a building will not be profitable. The higher you go and the more the years go by, the more expensive it is to build and revenue cannot catch up with expense. Emaar is building this to establish a new U.A.E. and a new Dubai in the international scene. Also it is fueled by ego as all WTBs generally are.

Here's to extreme height. :cheers:

Here's to ego. :guns1:

Here's to money. :)

Here's to 800m tall. :colgate:

[Reaching Skies]

I wish I see such a tall building in my lifetime but we ca go for sure that it won't be before 2025 AD... New technologies have to be implemented until such a building can be considered as almost profitable. Moreover, the market must provide sufficient demand!
Here in Taipei the ownder of the current world tallest, TPE101, is struggeling to rent the enormous office space of the 101 storey building out. In recent years I've seen so many proposals of giant scrapers - from a 700m tower in Istanbul up to a 4000m biospheric structure in the bay of Tokyo - all were just dreams or science fiction. Today is still no need, money and will to build those giant scrapers. It's the early 21th century as the first office towers break the 500m mark. More towers above 500m are rare but partly in planning (WTC in NY). I personally expect that by the end of this decade there might be a tower comes close to the 600m mark - or even break it. 800m..... :ohno:

[CULWULLA]

Guys, Of course this project will be built! Its going to start next year and become the worlds tallest at approx 640m in 2007/8.
The thing is , money is what builds skyscrapers and guess what, these guys have the funding to erect this monumental structure!:guns1:

[Reaching Skies]

Guys, Of course this project will be built! Its going to start next year and become the worlds tallest at approx 640m in 2007/8.

I'll remind you in 2008! I pray that I'm wrong~~:cool:

[HD]

[SIZE=1]Originally posted by coth


Russian economy is rising! GDP per human incresed from 2100$ in 1998 to 9300$ in 2003.
SIZE]


wrong! the 9,300$ is just the purchasing power parity - the real gdp per capita of russia is 2,997$ - it is expected to reach 6,000 in 2009!



read this:

http://www.prime-tass.com/news/65/opened/2003/327530.asp



back to topic: I think, that burj dubai is possible - but only in dubai, where some investors just don't care about the economical aspect of such a project.
look at burj-al arab, one example of unprofitable projects in dubai: the 2 billion $ hotel project will never pay off. because the occupancy rate of the hotel is so low, the travel market is flooded with cheap offers, where you can stay in the hotel for a week for the price of one night...

[coth]

3000$? he - it's not right...
i have 4000 and i'm only 19. i'm working from january 2003

[HD]

do you know what gdp per capita means?

it does not mean how much you earn per year, but how much russia's products and services are worth per year per person.


the gdp of russia this year is 430 bn $ - russia has 143 million people:

430.000.000.000 : 143.000.000 = approx. 3000 $ per person

[coth]

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2004.html

[Testament]

world GDP:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

you can see that Russia's GPD is $1,409,000,000,000 and you said $430,000,000,000

[matt99]

^ No, there is a diff between purchasing power parity $1.4t and the gdp $430b. ex. Just like you can buy lots of stuff with $1 in Russia, but nothing in the states.

Regarding Dubai, Emar is mostly a monarchy government company. It accepts taking huge losses in its project for the long term +50years purpose. This never happens in the west, since government and private sectors look at the short term only.

The tower will be built. It will be longer than you could imagine.

[beyond 1000]

Culwulla,

The Burj Dubai will certainly go beyond 640m. They'll need to go higher to capture the title. In NYC, World Freedom Tower is expected to hit 610m to the antenna tip. That is too close to call for BD. I believe Emaar not only wants to take that title but to KEEP it for a long time. If, as Coth states, Tower of Russia goes up, then 640m isn't going to do it. If IBC goes to 580m, they can easily modify to exceed BD.

This doesn't mean that BD will surpass 800m but I do believe it will surpass 700m. That should be enough to keep that title somewhat secure for a time being. I do believe that there exists an even chance that Burj Dubai will hit the 800m+ mark since one of the UAE officials, spoken of in an earlier post, stated that it will exceed 800m.

If piling begins on January or early this year, we will finally find out what the exact height will be. Look for a secure record breaking height between no less than 700m and even upto 850m.

This will be the most beautiful skyscraper in the world.

:cheers:

[HD]

Originally posted by Testament

world GDP:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

you can see that Russia's GPD is $1,409,000,000,000 and you said $430,000,000,000


see matt99's explanation...

purchasing parity and real gdp are two different things - russias total gdp is 430,000,000,000 (or 3000 $/person). it can't possibly be so hard to understand, can it?

sorry for changing the subject again :baaa:

[coth]

is purchasing parity is GNP?

[CULWULLA]

Originally posted by beyond 1000

Culwulla,

The Burj Dubai will certainly go beyond 640m. They'll need to go higher to capture the title. In NYC, World Freedom Tower is expected to hit 610m to the antenna tip. That is too close to call for BD. I believe Emaar not only wants to take that title but to KEEP it for a long time. If, as Coth states, Tower of Russia goes up, then 640m isn't going to do it. If IBC goes to 580m, they can easily modify to exceed BD.

This doesn't mean that BD will surpass 800m but I do believe it will surpass 700m. That should be enough to keep that title somewhat secure for a time being. I do believe that there exists an even chance that Burj Dubai will hit the 800m+ mark since one of the UAE officials, spoken of in an earlier post, stated that it will exceed 800m.

If piling begins on January or early this year, we will finally find out what the exact height will be. Look for a secure record breaking height between no less than 700m and even upto 850m.

This will be the most beautiful skyscraper in the world.

:cheers:
....

[Trances]

Wow at that height just beyond any thing i can think of !

[Blabbyboy]

Originally posted by beyond 1000

Culwulla,

The Burj Dubai will certainly go beyond 640m. They'll need to go higher to capture the title. In NYC, World Freedom Tower is expected to hit 610m to the antenna tip. That is too close to call for BD. I believe Emaar not only wants to take that title but to KEEP it for a long time. If, as Coth states, Tower of Russia goes up, then 640m isn't going to do it. If IBC goes to 580m, they can easily modify to exceed BD.

This doesn't mean that BD will surpass 800m but I do believe it will surpass 700m. That should be enough to keep that title somewhat secure for a time being. I do believe that there exists an even chance that Burj Dubai will hit the 800m+ mark since one of the UAE officials, spoken of in an earlier post, stated that it will exceed 800m.

If piling begins on January or early this year, we will finally find out what the exact height will be. Look for a secure record breaking height between no less than 700m and even upto 850m.

This will be the most beautiful skyscraper in the world.

:cheers:

I think that a lot of this is just posturing for the moment. Grollo Tower's original height (Denton Corker Marshall version) was released at 640 m also, then revised to 560 m in final version, but same design. 640m is a more realistic expectation. In any event, IMHO Freedom Tower (and Taipei 101 and Petronas for that matter) shouldn't be called WTB by vortue of its spire. I'm just glad that Shanghai WFC doesn't have a spire at all!

I'm more eager to see proper plans and a finalised height than conjecturing about what might or might not happen.

[coth]

TAIPEI 101 is not tallest?
hey, it have tallest roof at 449 meter.

[zulu69]

Its funny to see how many ppl are jealous of this project (ir really is).
I think this project is for real. The arguments that people are making about it not being financially sound is weak as. Remember that the ESB was built in an environment that wasnt right for it, but the FACT that it was EGO that wanted it to be built meant that it still went ahead. The MAIN reason of this being built is that it is meant to be a symbolic structure proclaiming the WTB so money doesnt have anything to do with it at all. This aint about making $$$, but to build something that will be a marvel. Alos its one man's vision, not some money hungry corporation taht wants to increase its profits.

Anyways if Cul says this is for real than ppl take notice!!! This man knows his stuff!!

Hats off to Dubai for having the balls to excel mankind. It will be very intresting to see how wide this building is, because as some ppl have correctly pointed out at that height the elevator shafts would take most of the room.

I think they should make the top floor penthouses. If i ever went up there it would be "hey you can see my house from here!" :cheers:

PS. just to add some national pride if i may... The Aussie solar tower will still be 200m taller if this baby hits 800m so why not build this to 1100m ;)

[Tower6]

Man, I am jealous. Nothing that tall could ever be built in the US. This will go higher then we are even allowed to build in the US. The USA will never have a WTB again.

[PHLguy]

Tower6...



This tower is still up in the air, a 2000' tower is along way away... NYC will build a WTB again...or at least an EXTREMELY tall one

[Tower6]

ech1368....

Burj Dubai will be built. And it will be much higher then 2000'. Unless the hight restriction is raised, a WTB for America will be completely out of the question. At least without an unlikely act of Congress.

And NYC does not approve very tall buildings. Ask Donald Trump. In Chicago, superscrapers are approved but do not sell. In New York, there is a need, but they are not approved. It is ironic isn't it.

I do hope this tower is successful though. If it makes money we might see more of them.

[Bahraini Spirit]

not directly linked with burj dubai but rather a new addition to the sheikh zayed road, since i thought this alone wont be enough for a single whole thread cause there are no pics yet:


The Al Attar Real Estate Company has announced the development of two new towers on the Sheikh Zayed Road, one of 57-storeys and the second slightly higher. Gulf News reported that the USD13.6m land deal was the biggest ever for the road known as the Manhattan of the Middle East.

[Dubai_Boy]

as i was leaving Dubai today , i though i so some cranes in the construction site of the BURJ DUBAI , thankfully my camera was with me , and i was able to get this Photo

sorry for the bad quality , the car was going wuite fast !!

http://www.greatestcities.com/8297pic/756/CP11756.jpg/aww.JPG

======================

Spirit :) yes i read that news in the Al ittihad newspaper , or was it al khaleej , well anyway , it is a good thing to add more scrapers to shiekh zayed road , dont you think so too ;)

More little brothers for the Big MOMMA Burj Dubai :guns1:

[MiCH]

I'm having are hard time believing this.

[PHLguy]

so am i .....remember the SWFC officially started construction and it went down the crapper

[Bahraini Spirit]

guys, this project has way more credibility than the swfc and in recent years, dubai hasn't failed to impress. and besides, all those multi billion dollar projects they announced earlier in time are now a reality so just wait for this one and it'll rise up to the sky.

[beyond 1000]

I agree with you Blabberboy in that spires should not determine WTB records. I do feel however that Burj Dubai will go beyond 700m and likely exceed 800m. These heights are to the spire however. I also feel that the roof of Burj Dubai will go higher than Freedom Tower's antenna which will reach 2000 ft or 610m.

For me, Burj Dubai is more exciting than what is going up in New York City.

[Andrew]

Bloody hell! They're actually building this monster?!? WOW Well I have to hand it to them, they've got balls (or just too much money)!

[kazpmk]

That pic is so cool. It certainly looks like more than prep work. but this 700 m tower will take a damn long time to build. I would expect it to take at least 6 years.

[PHLguy]

there are crains at all construction sites before a tower acctually starts construction...


and if it had acctually started construction we would of heard about it on the news

[CULWULLA]

The Burj Dubai site is massive. It includes many buildings. so maybe its early work on display centres /infrastructure or the massive piling which will take many months to create.
I reckon this project will officially commence this year.

[Kees]

[QUOTE][SIZE=1]Originally posted by Dubai_Boy

as i was leaving Dubai today , i though i so some cranes in the construction site of the BURJ DUBAI , thankfully my camera was with me , and i was able to get this Photo

sorry for the bad quality , the car was going wuite fast !!

http://www.greatestcities.com/8297pic/756/CP11756.jpg/aww.JPG
@ Dubai_Boy
I think These cranes are on the other site of the road: check the picture on this website (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22083&perpage=25&pagenumber=12) The two cranes are on the far left

If you need a pitch 50 m deep, you first need some other machines :D

[Dubai_Boy]

Kees , i said these cranes were on the BD construction site (( as in some activity is going on there ))) i didnt mean the Burj Dubai was u/c already !!!

and these are totally different cranes , coz if they were the ones on the left ( faaar left )) i would of gotten the 5 star mall u see next to it in the photo + you cant see those cranes from the road , they are too far back

======================

i know this guy that is working on the DIFC , which is a project right next to the Burj Dubai site , and he said by late 2005

there willl be the Biggest mall in the world , six 46 story towers and a Huge lake with the Burj dubai slowly rising from the center.

Go here http://www.aztec-city.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OutUK;action=display;num=1061730452 and read the whole thread

salam

[Paultjuh]

Man thats almost twice the hight of the petronas towers... unbelieveble:eek2: :eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:
and it should be finished in 2008 :? :? :? :? :?

[caw123]

I wonder if you will be able to see all the way across the gulf to Iran from the top of BD, its around 100 miles away but I imagine that wouldnt be too far when your 200 floors high. :)

[Lil' Flip]

damn dubai is mad. im most definately coming to visit. how long are they saying it will take to build?

[Denoordrotterdammer]

O I'v seen hihger.........

[Bahraini Spirit]

Emaar Properties is to add another architectural landmark to Dubai's rapidly growing skyline with the launch of 'The Residences' at Burj Dubai.

Emaar's new residential project, offering six exclusive towers on the shores of a spectacular man-made lake, is an integral part of the company's ambitious Burj Dubai development on Shaikh Zayed Road.

The Burj Dubai development, spanning over 400 acres, features the world's tallest tower- Burj Dubai, together with the world's largest shopping mall- The Dubai Mall.

'The Residences' comprises one, two and three-bedroomed luxury apartments, with breathtaking views of the Burj Dubai Tower and the surrounding skyline.

Prices of apartments start at Dh541,000 ($147,295), said a spokesman.

Hotels, private residences, cinemas and entertainment sites will radiate out in a series of ellipses from a tower that will magnetise interest and add prestige to the entire development.

Construction has already started on the six towers.

Details about 'The Residences' are available at The Residences Presentation Centre, located at the Burj Dubai site, which will be open 9am to 8pm, seven days a week.

Emaar Properties chairman Mohamed Ali Alabbar said: 'The Residences' is another example of city living, and is designed to fulfil Emaar's vision of 'Shaping the future. Today'.

'Emaar has pioneered modern living through its unique selection of themed residential offerings.

'The Residences, which defines an upscale modern lifestyle, is an exciting addition to our growing Burj Dubai development portfolio.'

'The apartments will feature two design themes in the first phase, expressed in elegant woodwork and rich finishes.

'The interiors of the Andalucia style represent a modern interpretation of Arabic culture and architecture through Islamic patterns and details, while the cool refinement of the Metropolitan style is sleek with contemporary fittings and hardware.

'Facilities include swimming pools, squash court, golf court, fitness centre, a mini theatre, library, business centre and guest suite.

'The homes feature the latest in IT and communications technology. 24- hour security and maintenance, basement parking and concierge facility are also provided.

'Adding to the numerous amenities will be the Burj Dubai Park.

'Featuring six acres of lush green landscape, 35 acres of water features and over 4km of uninterrupted promenade along an expansive lake, the Burj Dubai Park will be the ideal location for residents seeking the tranquillity of scenic surroundings.'

'The Residences at Burj Dubai represents urban life at its best, combining the amenities of a metropolitan centre with the comforts and security of an exclusive community,' said Alabbar.

Location: 'The Residences' forms part of the Burj Dubai development, which is located on Doha Road, and enjoys prime location in Dubai's new growth corridor on Shaikh Zayed Road. It will be located next to the Dubai International Financial Centre and help spur growth in economic activity at DIFC and upcoming mega projects like Dubai Internet and Media Cities and Knowledge Village.

In the immediate vicinity will be The Old Town, Burj Dubai Park, The Dubai Mall and the Burj Dubai Tower, other key components of the Burj Dubai development.

Facilities:

Facilities at 'The Residences' include swimming pools, squash court, golf court, badminton courts, fitness centre, mini theatre, library, business centre and a guest suite.

The homes feature the latest in IT and communications technology, 24-hour security and maintenance. An on-site mail service, common area landscaping, basement parking and concierge facilities are also provided.

Unit Size: From 84.9 sq m. to 193.2 sq m

[Bahraini Spirit]

Live a mile high in Dubai


Emaar Properties has launched the sale of apartments in The Residences, part of the Burj Dubai which is set to be the world's tallest building, just a little under a mile high. A glittering VIP reception was held last night to mark the launch of the ultimate address

[coth]

when BD begin?

[Trances]

a mile high are you sure
that more that the 800 than was siad
any way i will be there in a few days and will get a few more photos :)

[Bahraini Spirit]

well thats what it said no idea though about the height but here a pic of the residences project within the bd main project:

http://www.tradearabia.com/source/2004-01/28/emaar.jpg

[PHLguy]

actually BD is half a mile... a mile is 1600m

[Trances]

Originally posted by ech1368
actually BD is half a mile... a mile is 1600m
That would make sense. thanks

[Bahraini Spirit]

apparently the construction contract for burj dubai will be awarded before the end of q1 of this year.

[Nova Singapore]

Interesting - the architects for the 648 m Tower of Russia are that same SOM (I think Adrian Smith) as the Burj Dubai. So, will then BurjDubai be taller than 648 m ?

I doubt they will go up to 800 m, but even 660 m would give them a title, and 700 m up to spire tip a good chance of a firm lead.

[coth]

Nova, as I said, probability of redesigning of Russia Tower in future over 80%. Developing of tower will begin at end of this year, after approving of position in City district by autumn meeting of Moscow government. Construction planed to begin in 2006.

[beyond 1000]

I believe the people constructing the Tower of Russia are not really trying to make sure it is the WTB. This building will be about 650m or so. They are basically going to stick to the blueprints and try to keep the project on budget. If construction will be in 2006, then that is a long way from now.

The Burj Dubai people are trying to get Dubai's tech economy jumpstarted and the WTB is their starting attraction. BD will be at least 700m tall but I believe what I read as one Dubai official stating in that this building will exceed 800m! These people are going for the title and if construction begins in the first quarter of 2004, they would want to make sure that the Tower of Russia or any other building does not exceed their building in Dubai. To ensure that as much as possible, only a height of about 800m or more would keep BD the champion for a long time.

Look for between 800m to 850m tall!

[newbdude]

I believe the people constructing the Tower of Russia are not really trying to make sure it is the WTB. This building will be about 650m or so. They are basically going to stick to the blueprints and try to keep the project on budget. If construction will be in 2006, then that is a long way from now.

How much do they plan to spend on BD construction? $500M?

[Dubai_Boy]

500 million $ !!!! man come on :? it costs much more than that just to build a freakin bathroom nowadays ((:D you get my point ))

its going to range from 1.5 to 3 billion $ EASILY

[newbdude]

:rofl:
3 Billion? That's the planned price of ToR.
Even the price tag of BD doesn't seem to be real...

[coth]

newbdude
If Russia Tower will be constructed in Dubai, so it cost dropped in two times. Construction of skyscrapers is very expensive for Moscow. Russia Tower needs for very deep foundation <150m as for minimum, also here is need to built hating system for winters...

[Dubai_Boy]

Newbie

an ordinary 50 + story building could easily cost 3 to 400 million $ any where in the world but only about 80 or 90 million $ here in Dubai

and BD foundations are onkly 50 meters deep

[coth]

50 meters? not deep.

Moscow, like Shanghai positioned on washy grounds? so we need to make deep foundations

But north of Moscow on rigid ground, so Ostankino Tower have only 4 meters deep foundation.

[Denoordrotterdammer]

what will happens when the oil is up over some 15-20 years???

[coth]

question for what?

[Dubai_Boy]

Denoordrotterdammer

Dubai is a small city , only 3900 km2 , it has a population of one million in city and 1.5 million in metro .

its GDP for 2002 is 21 billion $ , only 10% of the GDP comes from oil , By 2010 it will drop to only 2% of the GDP wich is expected to reach 40-50 billion $ .


On the other hand , you Have Abu Dhabi a city in the same country and it has well over 110 years of oil reserves if it produces 2 million barrels per day , right now its only producing between 900 and 950,000 barrels per day , so it might last longer than 110 years.

Dubai has alot of manuufacturing going on , medecine , aluminum , clothes , tourisim , offshore banking and assest ......ect

the city of Dubai is totally safe (( Money wise )) :) and the sheikhs of all cities respect each other , so god forbid something bad happens to dubai , billions will flow in from Abu Dhabi ;)

[dubaisucks]

i'm sorry if people take offence but dubai really sucks. i was born there in 1978 and lived there till 4 years ago. when i grew up i watched the place change from a dersert to what it is today. my parents have been living there for nearly 30 years. so i'm not a pissed off tourist. the place just sucks. only recently are people realising that if they want to be part of the world they have to act like human beings.
who the fuck cares about the size of their buildings? i understand the beauty of a structure and the work that goes into making one, but thats not why they are being built. they are just landmarks created to attract attention to the counrty, to make more money. The people living in and running the country seem to have lost all sense of humanity and are just out to get rich quick. its fake! so i might be in the wrong forum but reading about your fascination with dubai just pissed me off. If the country wasnt so hypocritically sex-starved there wouldnt be as many road accidents as there are and there wouldnt be so many boys who see these huge shiny structures as something worth talking about. wheres the culture? wheres the tradition? wheres the afterthought for the people who actually did the work to build these towers? and another thing, where are the people who are supposed to occupy the buildings? most of them are empty!

[Tom in Chicago]

dubaisucks - You are absolutely correct. . . this is the wrong forum for your comments. . .

[Jan]

Wrong forum indeed. I really don't like newbies with an attitude.

[Lloyd-Jones]

dubaisucks- to me your paragraph dipictes the greatness of capitilism.

[Darkknight]

LOLLLLLLLLlll

This is the best i have heard so far. Seriously man, GROW UP!!! :nono:

[Darkknight]

and where in the world did u hear that the buildings are empty!!!
if u paid a little attention to what was going on u would find that the apartment complexes and office spaces are sold even before the buildings are built!!! Tis always better if u do ur homework b'fore shouting out absolute crap!!!!:bash:

[beyond 1000]

Wrong forum to discuss this indeed. We need someone else in this forum who lived or is living in Dubai to give us their personal viewpoint of what really the societal structure is about.

I'm not endorsing dubaisucks' comments but, not living there, I'm not going to say he is totally wrong. Anybody else from Dubai want to counter what this newbie is stating? It would be much appreciated.

Nonetheless this forum is about skyscrapers and this thread is specifically about the Burj Dubai supertower and updates on its progress. It is not about U.A.E. culture.

[Dubai_Boy]

Click here (http://gulfnews.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=111810)

[HD]

Originally posted by Darkknight

and where in the world did u hear that the buildings are empty!!!
if u paid a little attention to what was going on u would find that the apartment complexes and office spaces are sold even before the buildings are built!!! Tis always better if u do ur homework b'fore shouting out absolute crap!!!!:bash:


since when is office space being sold?

[nick_taylor]

Originally posted by Dubai_Boy

Newbie

an ordinary 50 + story building could easily cost 3 to 400 million $ any where in the world but only about 80 or 90 million $ here in Dubai

and BD foundations are onkly 50 meters deep

How comes Dubai is an exception to the rest of the world? I know that land is practically free in Dubai. So that is some of the cost cut down, then I suppose construction costs will be smaller - because of the cheap migrant labourers (from Asia), but the rest of the developing world could do so also, eg China could employ such labourers. Now if we were talking low rise buildings, the cost difference would be noticable, but when your talking skyscrapers: that's completely different, there won't be much difference, but a 1/4th of the cost - that sounds a tad bit exagerated.

Now if you are right: it does question a few things like materials used - have costs been cut? Obviously something had to be cost-cut. Which leads on to my next point: Dubai's future problem is the total lack of democracy and freedom of speech.

[Darkknight]

Democracy??!!!! I would never call the modern day US or any other country like that Democratic. U get to select ur leaders and after that what can any one do. The guy does what he feels like even if the people dont endorse it. Theres ample freedom of speech in the UAE. For countries like USA free speech is just the outrageous american propaganda thats shoved on to the people by fox news and the other channels. At least if u dont get to select the rulers in the UAE, they spend their money and expertise for the benefit of their country and not pocket it the way tax money is being devoured in the US.:rant:

[nick_taylor]

I never mentioned the US system which I too find a bit undemocratic - not really a multi-party system. I thought that in the UAE you could be thrown out for saying anything that controvened what the al-Maktoum's wanted?

[LibertyTwo]

I am new to posting to this forum, but love to listen to these discussions -- only recently have I actually joined, but anyway, I wanted a bit of history to this post, I am not a "newbie" to this forum just a "newbie to posting" -- guess you could say "first time poster, long time listener"

anyway --

QUESTION: Is the main thrust behind Dubai and other cities that are not spatially compressed fascination with tall buildings for status or architecture? I love skyscrapers, but moreso I love the reason for them, man (and woman) saw a need and were limited by convention so hence, came the invention of the skyscraper in 1920s New York (sure, there were early attempts, the World Building, Park Row, etc - but the main event wasn't until 1920s)

Anyway I digress, and I am not totally aware of Dubai, so inform me, I am assuming, althought it is not a large country, but the city must have some open space to build more horizontally, or does it not? I do not know, I mean, the Burj Dubai is amazing, and that was built on water -- is it all mainly for tourism and attraction reasons, or is there really a lack of space in the city to build? Thanks so much for any information!

Brad
P.S. I also collect souvenir buildings, does anyone know of a place to get replicas of Dubai buildings ;-)

[ERIC]

I've found that big rendering of Burj Dubai, don't know if you've seen it already, perhaps a smaller one.

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/591/28dubai-burjdubai-08.jpg

[ERIC]

This is the one you had in the thread

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/5/burj_pers_10_03_495.jpg

[Chad]

I wish to see the construction pics very much, even more than the renderings that I'v seen so many times now.......

[Builder007]

I beleive from my uncle that teh earthworks have been completed, the piling has started and that the tenders have been sent out for the raft.

Why is Emaar keeping this so quiet - it is great news!!!

[beyond 1000]

Welcome to this forum Builder007. It seems you have some information for us. Keep it coming. :guns1:

[matt99]

Originally posted by dubaisucks

i'm sorry if people take offence but dubai really sucks. i was born there in 1978 and lived there till 4 years ago. when i grew up i watched the place change from a dersert to what it is today. my parents have been living there for nearly 30 years. so i'm not a pissed off tourist. the place just sucks. only recently are people realising that if they want to be part of the world they have to act like human beings.
who the fuck cares about the size of their buildings? i understand the beauty of a structure and the work that goes into making one, but thats not why they are being built. they are just landmarks created to attract attention to the counrty, to make more money. The people living in and running the country seem to have lost all sense of humanity and are just out to get rich quick. its fake! so i might be in the wrong forum but reading about your fascination with dubai just pissed me off. If the country wasnt so hypocritically sex-starved there wouldnt be as many road accidents as there are and there wouldnt be so many boys who see these huge shiny structures as something worth talking about. wheres the culture? wheres the tradition? wheres the afterthought for the people who actually did the work to build these towers? and another thing, where are the people who are supposed to occupy the buildings? most of them are empty!

I also had almost a similar situation. except that my ancestors lived in dubai even before arab migration.
although I am pissed off that yemenis like dubaiboy get a large sum of money from the government for being arabs, and i don't... still i love what sheikh mohammed is doing to dubai, amazing... it will shut up the jews so that they wouldn't dare to make racist comments about backwardness of arabs.

:colgate:

[skyperu34]

sorry that im not updated, but i wish to know when this proyect will start construction.......??

[Darkknight]

i guess it already started. They are keeping it under the wraps cos i guess they done want anyone to know how far they have progressed.:guns1:

[Trances]

Been past the site a few times
there seems to nothing much there

[Stompi]

so.. they started or not?does anybody know a web site about Burj??Where i can find more interesting news?

[Kees]

@Stompi

My source: Trade Arabia (this website (http://www.tradearabia.com/routes/sections/News.asp?Article=64738&Sn=RET))

Text:

World-class food courts at Dubai Mall
Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004

Emaar Properties is a public joint stock company listed on the Dubai Financial Market.

Currently, it has thirteen major real estate projects under various stages of development.

These developments include Dubai Marina, Dubai Marina Villas, Arabian Ranch Gazelle, Emirates Hills, The Views, The Meadows, The Springs, The Lakes, Hattan Homes, The Greens, Emaar Towers and Burj Dubai Residences.

The company also owns and manages the Gold and Diamond Park and will be launching plans for its most ambitious project to date, the Burj Dubai - the tallest skyscraper in the world.

The news is:

There is no construction so far
EP will be launching plans (s more than one plan)

But . . . . . .
EP launches their plans for the Burj Dubai at MIPIM ( http://www.mipim.com ) , The International Property Market in Cannes, France, March 9.

Check
this site (http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/35904.html)

[Stompi]

thank you ,nice part of new informations:)

[Dubai_Boy]

Emaar Properties will showcase Burj Dubai, set to become the world's tallest tower, and its other master-planned developments at the MIPIM exhibition.

A high level delegation of senior officials from the region's largest real estate development company will attend the property event for the first time.

The exhibition – now in its 15th year – runs from March 9 to 12 at Palais des Festivals and attracts leading real estate sector players from Europe, North America and Asia.

Mohammed Ali Alabbar, Chairman of Emaar Properties, said: "With almost 5,000 participants from 62 countries, MIPIM enjoys an international reputation for being the real estate event of the year. It has become THE international summit for real estate decision makers, where industry movers come together to set the tone for the state of the international real estate market.

"As the Middle East region's premier property development company, it is essential for Emaar be present at this exhibition and we are looking forward to showcasing the splendid Burj Dubai Development and other fine lifestyle communities we have developed to a prestigious, international audience."

The centrepiece of Emaar's feature projects to be showcased will be The Burj Dubai which, when completed in 2006, will be the world's tallest tower.

Currently the world's highest man-made towers include the two Petronas Towers in Malaysia (452 metres) and Chicago's Sears Tower (442 metres). China now has plans to build the Shanghai World Financial Center to rise 492 metres and due to be completed by 2007.

"We have revolutionised a whole new concept of urban engineering to the construction sector in the Middle East, made lifestyle habitats the buzz word in top class community development, and provided an unprecedented architectural benchmark for global property developers.

"We are certain Burj Dubai and our other fine properties will be received favourably by visitors to this important exhibition," Alabbar added.

Emaar is also presenting its various other lifestyle options at the MIPIM, including Dubai Marina, Dubai Marina Villas, Arabian Ranches, Gazelle, Emirates Hills, The Views, The Meadows, The Springs, The Lakes, Hattan Homes, The Greens, Emaar Towers and The Residences at Burj Dubai.

[finn]

Originally posted by Dubai_Boy
The centrepiece of Emaar's feature projects to be showcased will be The Burj Dubai which, when completed in 2006, will be the world's tallest tower.


If the tower hasn't really started full construction yet, do you think they can build it in under 2 years (to be finished by the end of 2006)?

It would be really amazing and a fantastic thing to see, but it's got to take longer than 2 years to build a 600m+ tower!!

[Dubai_Boy]

First of all The Burj Dubai is going to be 800+ meters tall :) as announced by al abbar CEO of Emaar Company

Second of all ... please visit the UAE subforum here on the SCC and you will find and interesting update brough to us by someone who has visited the sales office of the Burj Dubai , and after reading his exciting news , You will find it quite possible for them to pull it off , i personally think 2006 is too early , but foundation work is almost complete , but this isnt me saying this , just visit the UAE forum and you will see what i am talking about

[Bond James Bond]

So, 800 meters, eh?

How long will it take to take an elevator to the top? :?

[Fragmentor]

Dubai could well be the next big economically dominant city. It has plenty of publicity now that the F1 chaps have decided to race there, and it has a very good chance of being a great economic city if they can secure a few more major events ( Theyre planning a bid for the 2016 olympics)

[sasha ITALIA]

is this another render?

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/0/4620-emaar.jpg

[nick_taylor]

Originally posted by Fragmentor

Dubai could well be the next big economically dominant city. It has plenty of publicity now that the F1 chaps have decided to race there, and it has a very good chance of being a great economic city if they can secure a few more major events ( Theyre planning a bid for the 2016 olympics)

I could see it becoming the dominant financial centre of the Middle East, but still small fry. Even with all these skyscrapers - Dubai won't even match Frankfurt, LA, Chicago, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc as secondary financial centres. I doubt the top 3 of London, New York and Tokyo will be shifted either - these three are miles above anything else on the planet.

I hope however that Dubai does become a financial hub for the ME region though. There needs to be a target for all developed nations to pump FDI into the region.

Dubai is a crazy place and I seriously doubt the Burj Dubai will be built in two years: you would need to cut safety and secure construction to actually even attempt to work at speeds like that! I would be very worried of the materials used for the construction costs (someone quoted an insanely small cost for the whole project which just seems financially unviable).

[Kees]

source: newspaper in Phoenix, USA (http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2004/03/08/daily29.html)

LATEST NEWS
10:55 AM MST Wednesday
RNL Design takes on UAE mixed-use project
Mike Padgett
The Business Journal
RNL Design's four offices in Phoenix, Denver, Los Angeles and Orange County are pooling their talents to design and master plan a new community in the United Arab Emirates that will have the one of the tallest buildings in the world.


The 416-acre project, when completed, will have more than 23 million square feet of total building area. The mixed-use Burj Dubai development will include retail shopping center, a business center, several high-rise residential towers and a large urban park, said RNL Principle David Klages.

Klages' professional experience includes the master plan of Kuala Lumpur City Center in Malaysia, the site of the 88-story Petronas Towers, currently the world's second-tallest buildings at 1,483 feet, behind the Taipei 101 tower's 1,667 feet. The Taiwan tower has been topped off; the project is scheduled for completion this year.

The Burj Dubai Tower, now under design by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, is expected to be taller than the Malaysian buildings, but the exact height is protected by a confidentiality agreement and details were unavailable.

RNL Design operates as RNL International in other countries.

[skyperu34]

are there photos of construction site??? A real proof that this buildings has started construction???

[Kees]

source: The Edge Daily (http://203.115.192.58/cms/content.jsp?id=com.tms.cms.article.Article_4ec5e4b1-cb73c03a-8d0b0f00-4b111c71)

WCT valuation compelling
March 15, 2004 : 09.46 PM

WCT is also part of a four-party consortium that has been pre-qualified to bid for the job of building the Burj Dubai (Dubai Tower) in Dubai, the commercial hub of the West Asian region.

Mayban Research said the tower is slated to be the world’s tallest building at 800m when completed in 2006, nearly twice the height of the 452m Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur.

It said WCT would be undertaking a small stake in the consortium with its Japanese and UAE-South African partners.
“WCT’s feat on the Bahrain F1 circuit hoisted its profile as a capable contractor to bid for further jobs in the Middle East.

[Darkknight]

If this is a reliaable source, we now know that the towers are going to be 800meters for sure....im just waiting for this baby to grow up!!!!!

[coth]

guys, complete it for 2 years is impossible...

[Kees]

Originally posted by Darkknight

If this is a reliaable source, we now know that the towers are going to be 800meters for sure....im just waiting for this baby to grow up!!!!!

reliability is not my business, just citing a site :D

[Chad]

From skyscraperpage.com

http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/02.jpg

*from today's Sharjah-based al-Khaleej newspaper's Business section




BTW : I just don't think that the next world tallest skyscraper with more than a half mile height deserves only one little Becho car at it's construction site and schduled to be finished within 2 years....well, We'll see...

[RafflesCity]

2 years to build something that tall? I dont think I dare enter it if they do that:baaa:

[Trances]

THose poster have been around the city for months
Just because there was some confernce and the Dubai shopping festival on. I assume they were to gain attention and raise intrest in the project. Dont mean any major change about to happen ?

[Kees]

source: The Star (http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/3/16/business/7535700&sec=business)

About the 3 other involved parties:

The Burj Dubai is slated to be the world's tallest building at 800 metres when completed in 2006, nearly twice the height of the 452m Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur.

Apart from a Japanese construction major, WCT partners in the Burj Dubai venture are the UAE-South African partnership Al Habtoor Murray & Roberts.

“We're taking only a small stake in the consortium because it is a technically high risk project with enormous challenges,”

[nick_taylor]

Originally posted by RafflesCity

2 years to build something that tall? I dont think I dare enter it if they do that:baaa:


Yeah I've been saying that. Some guy was quoting earlier an insanely small price tag for this tower. It makes you wonder if they are actually going to employ people who are actually trained and highly skilled or if the materials they use are actually going to be of a god high standard. I honestly think they are going on the cheap for this tower? I thought that maybe the only other way to honestly get this tower together in such a short span is if they have already made it. Not in the normal, core and build the superstructure and shell around it. But like a prefab. They have all the bits together, like a big jigsaw - all they have to do is come in to connect it. This could be either revolutionary in design, or insanely stupid to try and get that WTB title. Don't forget that this title is based on ego, not commercial profit, thus corners will be cut. Just like they did with the old WTC in New York - they tested to see if it could withstand a 737. But idiotically forgot to actually put fuel into (the fuel is what caused the towers to collapse - not the impact) so when the planes hit, the ensuring inferno literally melted everything within the impact zone.

[dubai_dude]

they are putting $4.3 billion in this project!
I think thats a litle less for this tower at that height

they always start everything at a low price in dubai
by the time its about to build, they increase the price
by the time its almost about to finish, the price is double of where it started
it happened with dubai marina,it surely will happen with dubaland, and probably with burj dubai too

[Hardie]

I love skyscrapers, and Burj Dubai excites me:) :)

However, just a question from an ignoramus from down-under, is the local population benefitting financially from the enormous amounts of money and wealth we are talking about here.

Personally I want nothing more than to have this built , then put Dubai on my travel itinery , but there is a moral question about the welfare of the local inhabitants, as well, in all of this glorious talk about skyscrapers.

[Darkknight]

Dubai generally has a very high standard of living...and the local population will only gain from these projects.....cos a large amount of profit is being made by selling out the apartments and renting out office spaces and all the money that the government earns is just purely used for the benefit of the local population....that way the rulers of UAE are the best.....plus theres tourism...all these megaprojects are going to create a large increase in tourism which surely will lead indirectly to the bettment of the population there!!!:)

[dubai_dude]

http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/tr09.jpg
http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/tr10.jpg
http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/tr18.jpg
http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/tr19.jpg
http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/tr20.jpg
pictures taken by BulldozerGirl

This is the burj dubai construction site
i can see a few cranes there, and the some construction seems to be going on over the site

[Chad]

So, if these pictures captured the Burj Dubai site. That little core on the right in this pic would be the center-core of the giant 3/4 mile high tower ha.........very interesting...

http://www.holy-scriptures.com/personal/tr19.jpg

[Darkknight]

Before u write that u shoild have checked to see if anywhere anybody has explicitly mentioned that the core is for Burj Dubai. No one has said it. For all we can guess it could me for a building at the Residences. Dont take assumptions and post crap!!:rant:

[Kees]

funny discussions, normal business is:
bid for a job
get the job
you start the job.

It seems someone started, but no one yet knows who is getting the job.

the quote is from a serious malaysian newspaper, published this year, 15th of march

"... WCT is also part of a four-party consortium that has been pre-qualified to bid for the job of building the Burj Dubai (Dubai Tower) in Dubai.."

[Hardie]

Guys,

Your'e freaking me out:rant:

I've been getting my hopes up that this thing will actually be built:colgate:

Now your starting to put doubts into my mind:bleep:

What is going on??????:mad: :mad:

[Darkknight]

The construction has already started!!! Its the truth said many times over!! They try and keep everything a secret cos they dont want any other country to beat them. Thats why we all know that that the height will be above 800 meters but dont exactly know how much!!!:)

[Hardie]

Thanx, I needed the reassurance.

This could be one of the most glorious things to happen in architecture, the future I imagined is becoming a reality:)

I have one serious worry, could this become a target for the "T" word, I don't even want to mention it. Is this building viewed as an OK thing in the Islamic world?? Is it something that would be seen as an object of pride? I understand that no 2 individuals have exactly identical views on anything, but is there a general consensus.

[Darkknight]

Yes there would be terrorist risks from all those fanatics who are against mordernization and development. But i guess they are taking measures for that, only i dont know what!!!! But for the arab world this is really something that they all take pride in!!! The only worries are of the afghans and others who dont know the value of anything!! I know that the undersea hotel and resort, Hydropolis, will be protected by missiles and stuff!!:D

[skyperu34]

Originally posted by Darkknight

The construction has already started!!! Its the truth said many times over!! They try and keep everything a secret cos they dont want any other country to beat them. Thats why we all know that that the height will be above 800 meters but dont exactly know how much!!!:)

thats the best news i've heard about an under construction scraper...............cool !!!!!!!!

[Darkknight]

Thanx:D

[Master Wrench]

wow

[beyond 1000]

I believe construction in the whole area has started but actual construction of the main tower may have started. There is no real proof that BD is actually under construction itself. Remember, visual proof of the building itself like the hole of US7 in HK or an official announcement would suffice.

I will take the position of wait and see before this is underway.

Unofficially it may be underway.

Don't get ahead of yourself here

[CULWULLA]

........

[Darkknight]

Wow CULWULLA, optimism from someone other than the UAE forumers!!! Thanx!!:D

[beyond 1000]

Of course I agree with both of you Darklight and Culwulla in that this building will be built for sure. I thing an announcement is just around the corner. I was just stating that we don't know for sure weather that actual construction of BD has begun. I hope Darklight you are correct in that construction has begun.

Over 800m boys and girls! Remember that one.

:cheers:

[Darkknight]

I think an announcement is around the corner too!! But i want to know the exact height!!!!!!:bleep:

[coth]

Originally posted by Darkknight

The construction has already started!!! Its the truth said many times over!! They try and keep everything a secret cos they dont want any other country to beat them. Thats why we all know that that the height will be above 800 meters but dont exactly know how much!!!:)

I don't think they keep all in secret, because they don't want any other beat them... It's stupid! 800 meters, if it's will that, too much for other. 800 meters building will not looks not in one city in World. I don't think, so Hong Kong, New York, Chicago, Seoul, Moscow, Tokyo or someone else will built something taller than 650 meters, because it's stupid. Anyway, they plans to built it until 2008, but I also don't think so someone else, without any sketches of building, will built something tall like that until 2008. It it stupid keep anything in secret, because in anyway we will know all in 2008, and if someone really will want to built somthing taller, they do it.

I think they keep all in secret, because they confront with something engineering problems... well who knows... will see...

Show us photos of construction... they can say, so construction began, but do you see really something fuss on construction.

[Hardie]

One minute I'm hopeful optimistic, the next minute I fall into the depths of depression about this and up my dose of prozac:bleep:

I get so excited about these projects, it's my little boy inside who jumps with joy, then my pessimistic adult self who has experienced many of life's falls take's over and spoils all my kid's fun:bash:

Thanx to all of the contributor's, you provide great information

[Trances]

I walked up there last week and site is all fenced of and can the the cores of the res towers going up. So this project is going to happen. If only there was more details. Later in on the week will drive up the the house on the site where they have the selling agent for the resident towers assocatied with this project as grill for some more answers

[Trances]

Sorry just read last post closer. Seems to me site is cleared and constrction has started on th res towers. But what eles dont know yet

[Kees]

source:Trade Arabia (http://www.tradearabia.com/routes/sections/News.asp?Article=66615&Sn=CONS)

Bauer and UAE firm win Burj Dubai contract
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2004

Dubai
Bauer Spezialtiefbau of Germany and Middle East Foundations of the UAE are to construct the foundations for Burj Dubai, the tallest building in the world.

The developers are Emaar Properties and the architectural design consultants are Skidmore, Owings and Merrill.

The tower will be 560 m tall and is due for completion in 2006.

The first task is to carry out a series of large-scale pile load tests. This is then to be followed by the installation of 200 piles of 1.5 m dia to a depth of up to 50 m and 650 piles of 900 mm dia to depths of up to 36 m.

The contract which is valued at 14 million Euro, has to be completed by the middle of July 2004.

[ulex]

560? couldn't it be a typo? perhaps 650?

[coth]

well, if 560 is true, then IBC in Seoul (2008) and Russia Tower in Moscow (2010) will be taller!

[Dennis]

560m? thats bulls#hit, tell me this is not true

[Dubai_Boy]

Dennis , i read about this :) and to tell you the truth , its Bull ;)

[PHLguy]

well, if 560 is true, then IBC in Seoul (2008) and Russia Tower in Moscow (2010) will be taller!



who says they will actually get built?


they dont look too um...well active...560m would remain WTB for a long time...

[beyond 1000]

In Arabia 1m is actually 4.69 ft. In the rest of the world 1m is 3.28 ft. At 800 world meters this building will be 2624 ft. That is the same height in Arab meters, which in this case, BD is 560m (arab) tall.

So you see, it is going to be 800m or more. :)

[Darkknight]

In Arabia 1m is actually 4.69 ft. In the rest of the world 1m is 3.28 ft. At 800 world meters this building will be 2624 ft. That is the same height in Arab meters, which in this case, BD is 560m (arab) tall.

So you see, it is going to be 800m or more. :)

Wow u made my day!!! Whered u get that peice of info!???:D

[Orfeo]

In Arabia 1m is actually 4.69 ft. In the rest of the world 1m is 3.28 ft. At 800 world meters this building will be 2624 ft. That is the same height in Arab meters, which in this case, BD is 560m (arab) tall.

So you see, it is going to be 800m or more. :)

Um...that's weird. And not true according to this website: http://www.saudia-online.com/conversion%20Table.htm

You would think that they would have it right. Unless Saudi Arabia isn't part of Arabia.....

Would have been good though.

[Midnight Rambler]

It would be nice if they could stop jerking everyone around and just tell us the height once and for all.

[Mahaputra]

man... I've just been reading the thread and seems to me that the burj dubai has stirred debates from different perspectives.. mate.. just chill and dont argue about whatever the height is.. if it's gonna be the highest building, then let it be.. it'll be pretty impressive if they actually stick to their plan and build a 800m tower.. I would love to visit dubai by then...
anyway.. why dont we just post pics and share reliable information about this amazing project.. and we'll see what happens.. ehehe peace mate..
:nocrook:

[coth]

@beyond 1000
Where you get it?
Meter is European scale system, how Arabian can have their own meter?

[Kees]

source: Bauer, Spezialtiefbau GmbH (http://www.bauer.de/)

http://www.bauer.de/images/presse/dubai.jpg

Bauer und Middle East Foundations gründen den Burj Dubai März 2004

Das höchste Haus der Welt

Bauer und Middle East Foundations gründen den Burj Dubai

Die Bauer Spezialtiefbau, Germany, und Middle East Foundations, UAE, gründen das höchste Haus der Welt! Das Gebäude entsteht in den nächsten Jahren in den Vereinigten Arabischen Emiraten, in der Hafenstadt Dubai, und wird auch nach der Stadt am Arabischen Golf benannt – der Burj Dubai. Die Bauherren und Architekten wagen sich an ein Gebäude von 560 Meter Höhe, im Jahr 2006 soll es fertiggestellt sein.

Das höchste Haus der Welt wurde im zurückliegenden Jahrzehnt zu einer technischen Herausforderung, auf die sich nicht nur die Investoren und Architekten einen Namen machten, sondern auch der jeweiligen Stadt weltweit neue Aufmerksamkeit zuteil wurde. Das Empire State Building in New York konnte den Rekord als höchstes Haus 44 Jahre lang behaupten, ehe 1975 in Chicago der 442 Meter hohe Sears Tower fertiggestellt wurde. Er behauptete die Krone 23 Jahre lang. 1998 wurden dann die Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur nicht nur zum Ereignis der malaysischen Hauptstadt; für den ganzen ostasiatischen Raum wurde damit ein Highlight gesetzt. Übertroffen werden die 452 von den 492 Metern des derzeit entstehenden World Financial Centers in Schanghai, doch zwischenzeitlich übertraf in Taiwan das 508 Meter hohe „Taipei 101“ die Planung auf dem chinesischen Festland.

Nun also setzt der Burj Dubai neue Maßstäbe. Die Bauer Spezialtiefbau GmbH erhielt den Auftrag zur Gründung zusammen mit der lokalen Firma Middle East Foundations, die ebenfalls mit Bauer-Geräten arbeitet. Die ersten Aufgaben sind groß dimensionierte Pfahltests. Dann werden 200 Pfähle mit 1,5 Meter Durchmesser bis auf 50 Meter Tiefe und rund 650 Pfähle mit 900 mm Durchmesser bis auf 36 m Tiefe abgebohrt. Der Auftrag hat einen Umfang von 14 Millionen Euro und muss bis Mitte Juli 2004 abgewickelt sein.
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translation of some parts of the text:

Bauer and Middle East Foundations will construct the foundations of the Burj Dubai. It will be world's tallest: 560 meter high. Foudations will be finished in july 2004. The constuction will be finished somewhere in 2006. Foundation needs 200 pipes (I don't know a better word) 50 meters deep, 1½ meter wide and another 650 0,90 meter wide and 36 meters deep.

[coth]

actually, building really looks on 560 meters...

[CULWULLA]

ive heard it will be at least 2000ft/610m just to make sure it will be tallest!