News, Issues and Sport (MARK II)

[samboy]

Just speculating but I hope they don't sack the entire Cockburn council and replace it with a potential nimby one.
It's one of the most progressive ones in the state and it'll be a shame if it was dissolved. I don't care whether they're corrupt or not as they all are. At least these guys are using the money for good (density) rather than evil.

[Scraperfan]

Cockburn will be what Scarborough was always meant to be.

[Dilaz89]

Just speculating but I hope they don't sack the entire Cockburn council and replace it with a potential nimby one.
It's one of the most progressive ones in the state and it'll be a shame if it was dissolved. I don't care whether they're corrupt or not as they all are. At least these guys are using the money for good (density) rather than evil.

here here. I could not give a shit as to wheather or not the mayor was given money by Australind last campaign. Atleast they supporting major projects.

[Scraperfan]

too true. sometimes correuption in some forms actually allows the machinery to work properly.

[Skyline Art]

too true. sometimes correuption in some forms actually allows the machinery to work properly.

I wonder if this concept "corruption" had anything to do with the developments on the gold coast back in the 70's where highrises started agmonst what was once swamps.

I love this conversation: :lol:

Gold Coast puts heritage proposal forward; Reporter: Peter McCutcheon

KERRY O'BRIEN: There's a general public acceptance of the need to place heritage protection orders on buildings like 19th century churches, early 20th century manors and even Art Deco cinemas.

What, then, about 1970's concrete high-rise apartments?
"Heaven forbid", I hear you say.

But that very proposal is being put forward seriously on Queensland's Gold Coast, where even the local branch of the National Trust argues they are an important part of the city's spectacular, if controversial, history.

Peter McCutcheon reports.
PETER McCUTCHEON: The Gold Coast high rise of the 1960s and '70s are not to everyone's taste, but they form a part of Australia's most dynamic and garish skyline, and a division is emerging about whether they should be viewed as nostalgic kitsch, ageing eyesores or an important part of Australian history.

Should buildings like this be heritage listed?

MAN: Most definitely.
MAN #2: I wouldn't bother.
PETER McCUTCHEON: Why not?

MAN #2: It's got no aesthetic value whatsoever.

Rest of script:
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
LOCATION: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1110180.htm Broadcast: 17/05/2004

On the upside imagine if this was the proposition in Scarborough here in Perth... if there were some crappy buildings built in the 70's would they be pulled down or left standing...

I think the Cockburn Council and Stirling City are very pro development, I only hope other cities such as Canning and Melville follow through also with some decent proposals along key sites of their cities, including the river or near the train lines. esp, near the major shopping centre in Canning, which is mostly car dominated.

[ryan79]

too true. sometimes correuption in some forms actually allows the machinery to work properly.

Theres always corruption, the question is whether it is for good or for evil.

[samboy]

sometimes they call it lobbying ;)

On a serious note I really don't know what that geriatric lynch mob is on about. What do they want? How were they affected? They should just go off and die! I can't stand idealogical battles.

[Dilaz89]

They are so vocal here in cockburn but because it's a big council they are generally ignored.

Last time they kicked up was when the council wanted to rezone part of the phoenix park shopping centre to 5 storeys and a few 70'd shitbox houses needed to be resumed.

[samboy]

give'm a recycling bin each (a-la Vincent) to shut them up

[PD]

They are so vocal here in cockburn but because it's a big council they are generally ignored.

Last time they kicked up was when the council wanted to rezone part of the phoenix park shopping centre to 5 storeys and a few 70'd shitbox houses needed to be resumed.

Tell you what, anyone ever tries to resume my house it better be a damn huge payout or I would start the biggest geriatric, no-life nimby group you ever saw.

[Sanj]

i agree. dilaz would u be happy if your home was resumed?

[Dilaz89]

Not really but provided I was compensated as per the rules I'd just take it and go.

The council has the power to resume properties just like the government can.

[Sanj]

yeah but doesnt mean u have to be happy with it and should just shut up and take what they offer. i have no idea what compensation was paid, but i know i would kick up a big fuss if i wasnt paid at least 20% more than market value, unless it was a crap property that i was thinking of selling anyway.

[Dilaz89]

I think compensation rate is market value plus 10%. I'd be happy with that especially if my property was in an aging suburb like Spearwood.

[Bump]

I know Darryl Kerrigan wouldn't give up his home

[acc521]

Under the Western Australian constitution, the State could resume your land with zero compensation if they really wanted to. The Commonwealth, on the other hand, can only acquire if it gives payment on "just terms".

[Perth4life]

haha the castle.

[jackso]

If anything like that happened to me I would probably call today tonight before I called a lawyer..

[acc521]

haha the castle.

After studying constitutional law, that movie is never quite the same :)

[acc521]

Seeing as we used to post actual non-spam related stuff in here that's all being deleted (I admit the thread became very spammy this week) I'm assuming we shouldn't actually be posting newsworthy or relevant stuff in here?

[docker]

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[acc521]

Yay another mention for "the boys" from FuturePerth! What about Jez lol.

The economic reality is certainly a consideration now. The key is to think about the long term. I.e. the cost of materials is coming down and if demand for labour slows than overall the costs of construction will decrease. Perhaps with the lessened demand for apartments at the luxury end of the market the coming years will provide the perfect opportunity for some relatively more affordable inner city apartments to get the go ahead.

[PerthCity]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24515287-2761,00.html

Dickheads like this should be locked away for life. I hope he can't walk again.

[Auxodium]

Think Tank... lol i hate buzz words associated with FP

[city_thing]

I wouldn't have thought as FP as a Think Tank, it's hardly the Lowry Group or anything. More a lobby group than a Think Tank.

[docker]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24517617-2761,00.html

Nationals leader says WA should take nuclear waste
Joe Spagnolo, political reporter
October 18, 2008 03:00pm

NATIONALS leader Brendon Grylls says WA should accept nuclear waste from around the world, setting his party on a collision course with its Liberal partner.
In the first real test of the relationship between Mr Grylls and Liberal leader Colin Barnett, the two clashed over the controversial issue, with the Premier slamming the Nationals' position on nuclear waste.

Mr Grylls, an unashamed supporter of the nuclear industry, told The Sunday Times WA should get into the storage of nuclear waste, revealing that he'd already held informal discussions about the idea with several councils.

He also promoted the idea of a referendum on the contentious issue.

Mr Grylls said WA would miss out on big dollars by not accepting nuclear waste, which included spent fuel rods from nuclear reactors.

He argued that it was safer to store the nuclear waste in WA than allow less-developed countries to manage the material.

But Mr Grylls' comments have infuriated Mr Barnett, who has consistently denied claims by Labor that his decision to lift a ban on uranium mining in WA would make it impossible for the state not to accept nuclear waste from other parts of the world.

Labor said yesterday most West Australians would be disgusted at the idea of the state becoming a nuclear waste repository.

Responding to Mr Grylls' comments, Mr Barnett sent a statement to The Sunday Times on Friday distancing himself from the man who handed him Government just a few weeks ago.

"While people have their personal opinions, nuclear waste dumps are illegal in WA,'' Mr Barnett said.

"In 1999 the Court Liberal government passed the Nuclear Waste Storage (prohibition) Act.

"The Bill prohibits the construction of a nuclear waste storage facility.

"The legislation will not be repealed and as a result the acceptance of nuclear waste is not something that can or will occur in WA.

"Australia only exports uranium to countries signed to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.''

But the man who helped Mr Barnett become Premier disagrees.

Asked by The Sunday Times whether he supported the idea of nuclear waste being stored in WA, Mr Grylls said: "Yes. If you believe you want to reduce carbon emissions, which I do, and we want the world to become a lower carbon world, then nuclear power is going to be part of that.

"If people are going to be worried about spent nuclear fuel rods being used to make nuclear weapons, then you have a way of having greater control over the management of that if you are involved.

"I have spoken to individual councils in WA which see this as an opportunity for them.

"I won't name them because they were just preliminary discussions.''

Opposition environment spokeswoman Sally Talbot said Mr Grylls' comments raised serious concerns about what the Government's real agenda was on nuclear power.

"There is no solution to dealing with nuclear waste in other countries. Why bring it here?'' she said.

[city_thing]

And so the Government starts to crumble....

[Bonga]

Last time they kicked up was when the council wanted to rezone part of the phoenix park shopping centre to 5 storeys and a few 70'd shitbox houses needed to be resumed.
Why did the houses need to be resumed?

[JWPJ]

And so soon too...

[chrisaus]

fuck WA is such a huge state lots of places to put the waste, could be a good money spinner

[WAuzzie]

no thanx not worth the $$

[RocStar]

Maybe it's time.....vote of no confidence ...we wish !

[Dilaz89]

Why did the houses need to be resumed?


to make way for higher density development.

[chrisaus]

i guess those shitboxes might be someones castle

[Dilaz89]

thats not the point though. The point is that governments, local and state can resume properties if they want to.

[Bonga]

to make way for higher density development.
Interesting. Was it the council or state government who resumed it? If the latter, which department?

Is this practice common in Perth?

Would the "market value" used to calculate the compensation rate have been based on the original zoning, or the new zoning?

[Dilaz89]

I support any moves to dump nuclear waste here in WA.

[Dilaz89]

It was the former.

It isn't common practice atm but given that so much of Perth is just suburbia, no doubt it will be more common in the future.

If we can't resume houses to make way for higher densities, there is no hope for Perth.

[chrisaus]

The best sites imo for high density developments are sites like former high schools etc.. large plots of land just waiting. at the end of the day your dreaming if you think infill is going to pop up everywhere, when pretty much every council is against it

[chrisaus]

thats not the point though. The point is that governments, local and state can resume properties if they want to.

what is the point then, that the government should just doze every 'shitbox' that some people may have lived in for decades so they can just build a bigger concrete shit box?

[Dilaz89]

what kind of fucking argument is that? jesus!

[chrisaus]

realistic and in touch with attitude, watch the castle there are many famileis in perth just like that who value their house as a home and probably wouldnt be to happy with being kicked out

[chrisaus]

I support any moves to dump nuclear waste here in WA.

it could be a tourist attraction, the giant nuclear pit with a viewing deck.

[Dilaz89]

urgh, i'm not even going to respond to that.

[chrisaus]

pretty good buy here

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=105289095&f=0&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=32075441&s=wa&snf=rbs&tm=1224399130

[perthgazer]

i don't like it because brendon grylls from the nationalsth proposed it

he's walking around on issues like the stadium acting as if he's the premier

hello your party got 4.5% of the vote! - shut up!

[Sanj]

wow thats pretty good value chris.

i havent been in home yet but based on the pics i must admit the interiors are a bit underwhelming in comparison to the exteriors.

[docker]

i wouldn't like having my house resumed. i have lived here since i was born and i would be hoping for a large compensation if we were to go.

[Auxodium]

I wouldn't have thought as FP as a Think Tank, it's hardly the Lowry Group or anything. More a lobby group than a Think Tank.

thank you that is what i was thinking...

as for nuclear waste i oppose it... however if Australia started to produce nuclear power and had to dump it... well then WA would be the logical choice

[PerthCity]

Imagine how distressing it is for long time residents. Why should anyone have to go through that when they purchased the land fairly? I don't even know where Phoenix Park is but sounds like some ghetto in the southern suburbs, hardly the place for large commie blocks.

[acc521]

I don't even know where Phoenix Park is but sounds like some ghetto in the southern suburbs, hardly the place for large commie blocks.

Comment of the week :bash:

I don't even know where x is or anything about x in general but I see myself as qualified to pass judgment on what is appropriate for x. Sums up the attitudes of Perthites in general really.

I'm guessing you didn't support the Graham Farmer freeway (NB tunnel) and the redevelopment of Northbridge as several properties were compulsorily acquired. Or is it time to pass judgment on what kind of property acquisitions are/aren't appropriate based on a personal whim?

[PerthCity]

I don't even know where x is or anything about x in general but I see myself as qualified to pass judgment on what is appropriate for x. Sums up the attitudes of Perthites in general really.

Is it south of the river or not?

Is it a ghetto area or not?

Your bitterness and anger over minor issues sums up the attitudes of Perthites in general really.


I'm guessing you didn't support the Graham Farmer freeway (NB tunnel) and the redevelopment of Northbridge as several properties were compulsorily acquired. Or is it time to pass judgment on what kind of property acquisitions are/aren't appropriate based on a personal whim?

Northbridge is a wasteland at the moment because of that tunnel.

[jackso]

wow thats pretty good value chris.

i havent been in home yet but based on the pics i must admit the interiors are a bit underwhelming in comparison to the exteriors.


Sanj that interior is pretty dull, matched with someone who has little taste. The interiors of the actual apartments in the original building are much better..
http://www.realestate.com.au/realestate/agent/match+property+perth/mlssub/sold+properties/104830377

http://www.realestate.com.au/realestate/agent/match+property+perth/mlssub/page2/105003986

I remember seeing one of a fully furnished apartment...didnt someone manage to get into one from a real estate agent or something?
Can you post the pics again...

[Dilaz89]

Don't feed the troll.

The government doesn't take emotional attachment into consideration and nor should they.

For the record, my dads house which is a classic example of 1960's immigrant architecture will be resumed to make way for a TAFE.

[Perth4life]

man Grylls can go fuck himself, it's not as though anyone actually cares for the national party when the don't hold the balance between who's governing the state, i couldn't think of two worse people, Barnett and Grylls.

[acc521]

I know Dilaz but it's so hard not too...

"Classic example of immigrant architecture" = concrete. lots and lots of concrete pillars and lions etc :lol:

[JWPJ]

The best sites imo for high density developments are sites like former high schools etc.. large plots of land just waiting. at the end of the day your dreaming if you think infill is going to pop up everywhere, when pretty much every council is against it

Yeah, unfortunately we do actually need schools...

[acc521]

That's why he said former schools lol. There are a lot of schools in prime locations that are inefficient and rundown with a low number of enrolments. As more 'super schools' are built these areas will be prime for redevelopment with some level of density. Obviously how dense will depend on the area.

[PD]

Is it south of the river or not?

Is it a ghetto area or not?


You are actually right on the money.

Phoenix is in the suburb of Spearwood, right on the border with hamilton Hill.

My Old local shopping centre. :D

[chrisaus]

man Grylls can go fuck himself, it's not as though anyone actually cares for the national party when the don't hold the balance between who's governing the state, i couldn't think of two worse people, Barnett and Grylls.

Ripper, Kobelke come to mind

[samboy]

Is it just me or does Ripper actually sound 'retarded' ? He's like one of those special needs people that's quite painful to listen to.
Why can't we get some decent talent in this state?

[Scraperfan]

he wiggles his head from side to side when he talks, with random pauses between words but in the wrong places.

king douche.

[perthgazer]

he's WA's very own Brendan Nelson

[samboy]

oh yeah no question about it. I'll bet my house he won't be contesting the next election.
Then again people voted for a man with a bad lisp and a pelican so I might even stand a chance.

[ryan79]

Australian politics - rough surface, no substance.

[Dilaz89]

he's WA's very own Brendan Nelson

Ben Wyatt could be our Barack Obama :P

Eric is better kept to the background. I trust him more with the states finances than Troy Buswell.

[PerthCity]

The government doesn't take emotional attachment into consideration and nor should they.

They didn't in the 50s or 60s either when so much of Perths heritage was bulldozed. :ohno:

[Dilaz89]

Incorrect, they didn't take in the heritage aspect of those buildings. Has little to do with emotional attachments to housing.

[PerthCity]

Incorrect, they didn't take in the heritage aspect of those buildings. Has little to do with emotional attachments to housing.

Explain how emotional attachment is not applicable to heritage buildings? They give a city a history and character. The people who built them would want to see them knocked down for concrete boxes??!

I can guarantee the Italian influenced 60s house you have will become desirable in the future as it gives the suburb a sense of the demographics in the area over time.

And I totally disagree with acc521 saying ""Classic example of immigrant architecture" = concrete", which is definitely not true, the immigrant houses of the 60s and 70s have much greater detail in their design and quality compared with concrete Australian designed boxes of that era.

[Auxodium]

let's face it no one would leave their homes without a fight OR an overinflated price to even CONSIDER leaving...

[acc521]

I was taking the piss PerthCity :)

[Dilaz89]

I know my fathers family are going to negotiate with Landcorp for the 10 acre parcel of land. Negotiations always lead to the best outcomes. Hostility never gets anyone anywhere.

I personally would keep the house as it is a part of the local immigrant history however, these houses are not uncommon in the area.

Emotional attachment to ordinary houses can't be compared to heritage value of pre-ww2 achitecture. We judge heritage on aesthetics and cultural value and the vast amounts of shitty housing based in curvi-linear suburbs built in the 70's and 80's does not constitute heritage, unless you want to preserve as an example of poor planning based entirly around private motor vehicles and cheap building materials.

[acc521]

Well a relative of a relative of mine owned the land that Ikea Stirling now stands on. I remember walking through the veggie garden behind the house surrounded by lots of bush when I was little a few times.

Let me assure you that part of the family (not mine unfortunately) did very well from the compensation payment.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

Once upon a time, the inner city was swathed in the rich architecture of Australian federation houses and california bungalows.

Before we realised they should be heritage listed, many were destroyed, or altered substantially (mostly by Italians, but I digress).

Similarly, there are examples of "curvi-linear" suburbs in Perth, that were built in the 70's. They have extensive cycle paths, and extensive park networks, linking the residents to central facilities, such as schools, shopping, and recreation facilities. A car, nor even a street, was required for many of the daily journeys that residents took.

Would this contisute heritage?

[Dilaz89]

I am yet to see an example of a curvi-linear suburb that adquetly provides for those without a car. Please enlighten me.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

Answer my question.

[acc521]

I love all of the inner city suburbs. Why more new suburbs aren't designed in the North Perth/Highgate mould I will never understand. It is as if we knew how to do things than went backwards.

[Auxodium]

i think post WW2 housing is just as important also... i know i would not give up my house or my families houses without a fight

[Dilaz89]

Answer my question.

I am not going to be convinced otherwise until I see some good examples.

Perth didn't really build many terraced style housing that has been preserved so well in eastern cities. On the other hand, Perth offers examples of suburbia since the early 20th century and I can't see this changing dramatically any time soon.

[Auxodium]

I figured why Perth is so dull :lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/10/17/scidream117.xml

Black and white TV generation have monochrome dreams

By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 5:01pm BST 17/10/2008

Do you dream in black and white? If so, the chances are you are over 55 and were brought up watching a monochrome television set.
# The meaning of dreams
# The science of dreams - the results
# Scientists control the content of dreams

New research suggests that the type of television you watched as a child has a profound effect on the colour of your dreams.

While almost all under 25s dream in colour, thousands of over 55s, all of whom were brought up with black and white sets, often dream in monchrome - even now.

The findings suggest that the moment when Dorothy passes out of monochrome Kansas and awakes in Technicolor Oz may have had more significance for our subconscious than we literally ever dreamed of.

Eva Murzyn, a psychology student at Dundee University who carried out the study, said: "It is a fascinating hypothesis.

"It suggests there could be a critical period in our childhood when watching films has a big impact on the way dreams are formed.

"What is even more interesting is that before the advent of black and white television all the evidence suggests we were dreaming in colour."
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Research from 1915 through to the 1950s suggested that the vast majority of dreams are in black and white but the tide turned in the sixties, and later results suggested that up to 83 per cent of dreams contain some colour.

Since this period also marked the transition between black-and-white film and TV and widespread Technicolor, an obvious explanation was that the media had been priming the subjects' dreams.

However it was always controversial and differences between the studies prevented the researchers from drawing any firm conclusions.

But now Miss Murzyn believes she has proved the link. She re-looked at the old studies and combined them with a survey of her own of more 60 people, half of which were over 55 and half of which were under 25.

She asked the volunteers to answer a questionnaire on the colour of their dreams and their childhood exposure to film and TV.

The subjects then recorded different aspects of their dreams in a diary every morning.

Miss Murzyn found there was no significant difference between results drawn from the questionnaires and the dream diaries - thus proving that the previous studies were comparable.

She then analysed her own data to find out whether an early exposure to black-and-white TV could still have a lasting effect on her subjects' dreams, 40 years later.

Only 4.4 per cent of the under-25s' dreams were black and white. The over-55s who had had access to colour TV and film during their childhood also reported a very low proportion of just 7.3 per cent.

But the over-55s who had only had access to black-and-white media reported dreaming in black and white roughly a quarter of the time.

Even though they would have spent only a few hours a day watching TV or films, their attention and emotional engagement would have been heightened during this time, leaving a deeper imprint on their mind, Miss Murzyn told the New Scientist.

"The crucial time is between three and 10 when we all begin to have the ability to dream," she said.

"Television and films which by their very nature are interesting and emotionally engaging and even dreamlike. So when you dream you may copy what you have seen on the screen.

"I have even had a computer game player who dreams as if he is in front of a computer screen."

Miss Murzyn concedes it's still impossible to verify whether the dreams are actually in black-and-white, or whether media exposure somehow alters the way the mind reconstructs the dreams once we wake.

Information appearing on telegraph.co.uk is the copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited and must not be reproduced in any medium without licence.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

I am not going to be convinced otherwise until I see some good examples.

Perth didn't really build many terraced style housing that has been preserved so well in eastern cities. On the other hand, Perth offers examples of suburbia since the early 20th century and I can't see this changing dramatically any time soon.


Fair enough. Suburbia is by design geared towards cars. There are however, some examples where the planners did think of walking/riding etc.

Here is one:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h41/pstyle/Untitled-1.jpg

The yellow line down the middle is park land, with paths running through them. There is a tunnel under the "major road". Just off to the left, is a highschool, primary school, shopping centre, and sporting facilities.

The other yellow lines represent streets where residents can easily access the park lanes, and use a bike, or walk, to get to the local shopping/school/sports etc.

Through this suburb, there are many other park systems such as this one. It is possible to move through the suburb by bicycle for fairly long distances, sticking predominately to parks.

I would imagine that an area like this, but with terraced houses rather than bungalows, would be close to ideal.

This suburb is south of the river, and is not known for its architecture. However, that is purely subjective to the tastes of today.

Nearly every facility that a resident needs is within walking distance (for many residents), and often the journey doesn't even involve roads. There are problems with this arrangement, but hey, at least it isn't totally car oriented, and it was designed in the 70's.

[Dilaz89]

looks quite legible. What suburb is that?

[Auxodium]

remember areas like North Joondalup, Warwick, Kingsley, Greenwood, Duncraig Sections of Currambine, Connolly and South Hedland are rather pedestrian geared... but people are rather lazy and drive

[crazyknightsfan]

^^

That's also a result of low density (i.e. long distances to services) and also poor PT.

[ryan79]

Well in Nollamara where I am now I have two shopping precincts, a soccer ground, two football ovals, tennis courts, primary school and frequent bus services all within 10 minutes walking distance.

Where I grew up I had my High School, big park across the road, shops and decent bus services all within 10 minutes walking distance.

We don't have density and we are lazy.

But I would prefer the London High st model in terms of living with grid like streets (similar to Nates pic but with a High st instead of a park running down the middle.)

It was interesting where i grew up as the street ended in a caul de sac so it was more effort to get out and around to go to the shop than to just walk there and it made the street a lot safer and quieter if your into that sort of thing. Oh and that suburb was well and truly early 80s.

[crazyknightsfan]

I like cul-de-sac street layouts when they are done properly - i.e. a direct collector road (i.e. bus route) running through the spine of the development, with pedestrian pathways at the end of every cul-de-sac to make it permeable for pedestrians.

[city_thing]

Well in Nollamara where I am now I have two shopping precincts, a soccer ground, two football ovals, tennis courts, primary school and frequent bus services all within 10 minutes walking distance.

Where I grew up I had my High School, big park across the road, shops and decent bus services all within 10 minutes walking distance.

We don't have density and we are lazy.

But I would prefer the London High st model in terms of living with grid like streets (similar to Nates pic but with a High st instead of a park running down the middle.)

It was interesting where i grew up as the street ended in a caul de sac so it was more effort to get out and around to go to the shop than to just walk there and it made the street a lot safer and quieter if your into that sort of thing. Oh and that suburb was well and truly early 80s.

I like London's inner suburbs too. That's my ideal living situation; large blocks with parks in the middle and great transport, high streets everywhere.

This kinda gives you an idea - just imagine parks in the middle of the blocks, available to residents.

Holland Park, West London -
http://www.hcareers.co.uk/public/profile/hilton-london-kensington/map.gif

Something like Berlin would be great too. Elevated metro lines running above the street and stores on every road (Kreuzberg).
http://www.myberlinvacation.com/resources/Map.jpg

I guess the the operative word here is 'density'.

[bennyboy777]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24528888-948,00.html

The Barnett government is on a collision course of collapsing.

[Scraperfan]

Youve got to love Allanah's way with words:

"This is more than cracks; I'd say this agreement is looking more and more like a Greek vase from the year 2000BC," Ms MacTiernan said.

[ryan79]

She's got personality and for the first time is being given an opportunity to use it. Carps was boring really.

[ryan79]

I hope they fail miserably since they won't do anything anyway.

[docker]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=146&ContentID=103720

Rural councils deregulating shop hours
21st October 2008, 8:15 WST

Major regional councils have bypassed the State Government and are deregulating trading, with Kalgoorlie-Boulder and Geraldton-Greenough confirming they were considering following Bunbury’s lead for shops to trade seven days.

Kalgoorlie-Boulder mayor Ron Yuryevich said yesterday that the council was taking the unprecedented step of examining seven-day trading through a special council-led committee. He said the issue was brought to the council’s attention some time ago but it was also taking into account Bunbury’s experience.

Geraldton-Greenough mayor Ian Carpenter said the council had resolved to survey businesses and the community on seven-day trading, with a decision expected before June 30 next year.

WA Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief executive James Pearson said the initiative by country councils meant regional shoppers would enjoy deregulated trading while Perth shoppers had to put up with an antiquated trading hours regime.

“While there are pockets of communities across the State that have deregulated their trading hours, residents of Perth, the fastest-growing capital city in the nation, have no choice in the matter,” he said. Mr Pearson said Bunbury’s move into seven-day trading on January 4 was another sign support for weeknight and Sunday trading was growing.

Bunbury became the 18th regional centre to successfully apply to the State Government for exemption from the Retail Trading Hours Act after Commerce Minister Troy Buswell approved the move this month.

However, the Barnett Government has yet to act on its retail trading hours policy in the metropolitan area.

A spokesman for Premier Colin Barnett said he intended to meet big retailers and stood by a pre-election policy to relax weekday shopping hours, fix some anomalies limiting weekend trading and retain the ban on major grocery chains opening on Sundays.

Bunbury mayor David Smith said the existing regime was anti-competitive and he believed seven-day trading would inevitably become Statewide. Mr Yuryevich said he believed most people in Kalgoorlie-Boulder were against seven-day trading but understood surrounding towns such as Leonora supported it. WA Independent Grocers Association president John Cummings said the association remained opposed to deregulated trading.

BEATRICE THOMAS

[Auxodium]

She's got personality and for the first time is being given an opportunity to use it. Carps was boring really.

Carps was a lying numpty who made false promises... and the ones he did make were to be made in 2 elections time... id rather 2 numpties like Col and Grylls than that scum...

but then again i have pretty much lost faith in all major parties since that election...

[chrisaus]

false promises, sound like an average pollie to me

[Scraperfan]

this is excellent. once one neighbouring town gets 7 day trading, the next one will floow and so on until every city outside perth has 7 day trading.

then you will get the voices saying why does country wa get to enjoy the benefits and not perth and etc etc and then perth will get it.

labor could go to the next poll on a 7 day trading platform. by then all the regional centres will be 7 day.

so, my prediction. perth to have 7 day trading in 4 years.

[Dilaz89]

Colin and Brendon are not half the men let alone politicians that carps was. It's quite sad to see a decdent talent go to waste.

[chrisaus]

carpenter never came across as a strong leader to me, he came across as lifeless, dull and abit arogant.

[ryan79]

His backflip on trading laws seriously damaged his credibility as a leader in my eyes.

Barney has shown no leadership, Grylls at least has even though he is way out of his depth.

[chrisaus]

I think the libs still cant belive they are in governemtn because it seems they still have no policy other than what projects they are going to dump....

[samboy]

It's the best time to be in power right now both at state and federal level. They have a perfect scapegoat (Global MELTDOWN) which they'll milk till the cows come home :lol:

[aaronaugi1]

last night was the first time i've seen Colin hold a "proper-ish" media conference since winning the election. Certainly not off to any "flying start"

[Perth4life]

wow 94.5 are glorifying Barnett's attitude towards trading hours, on one of their "bunch" adverts, its got a caller talking about wanting Sunday trading, and then Barnett reffering back to the referendum and making the caller look stupid, then Barnett made some joke about not being able to contact Gerry Harvey on a Sunday.

[docker]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=103879

Busy Perth roads set for makeover
22nd October 2008, 6:00 WST

Two of Perth’s busiest arterial roads are set to be redeveloped, with plans to revamp Stirling Highway and a staged makeover of Beaufort Street in Mt Lawley.

Stirling City Council is planning an art deco-themed upgrade of Beaufort Street between Walcott Street and Queens Crescent, including paving, street seating, bollards, bins and street and carpark lighting by June 2010. About $750,000 has been set aside for the first stage.

Public art is also likely to carry the 1920s and 30s feel.

Bike racks will be installed to encourage cycling. The plan includes a new public toilet, improved bus shelters and modifications to the kerbing, intersections and median strip to make the area more pedestrian-friendly.

Nedlands council has begun 12 months of consultation on a plan to redevelop Stirling Highway between Loch Street and Broadway, flagging not just streetscape changes such as trees and turning lanes but also allowing high density mixed-use commercial and residential development on surrounding blocks.

The council identified Stirling Highway for possible higher density redevelopment after the Carpenter government insisted its new Town Planning Scheme comply with Network City’s transit-oriented planning principles.

Mayor Sheryl Froese said the council had budgeted $200,000 towards the project and expected draft guidelines by mid to late next year.

PERTH
DANIEL HATCH

[ryan79]

Awesome for Beuafort st but wish they'd get rid of street parking still.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

As a local:

Removing the street parking from Beaufort Street would be a BAD idea... it is a natural deterent for drivers to avoid Beaufort Street. Its a bottleneck, a drivers nightmare even. It makes the whole area more pedestrian friendly, and gives people a chance to stop in their cars and shop local on the way home.

As the article said, the idea is to "make the area more pedestrian-friendly". Opening the street up to four lanes of traffic would have the opposite effect.

As for the upgrade - go for it, that strip of Beaufort is pretty run down.

[crave]

Awesome for Beuafort st but wish they'd get rid of street parking still.

no.

[TRS-80]

As a local:

Removing the street parking from Beaufort Street would be a BAD idea... it is a natural deterent for drivers to avoid Beaufort Street. Its a bottleneck, a drivers nightmare even. It makes the whole area more pedestrian friendly, and gives people a chance to stop in their cars and shop local on the way home.

As the article said, the idea is to "make the area more pedestrian-friendly". Opening the street up to four lanes of traffic would have the opposite effect.

How about putting a tram down Beaufort St? It'd keep it to two lanes, get rid of the street parking and make it more pedestrian friendly.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

How about putting a tram down Beaufort St? It'd keep it to two lanes, get rid of the street parking and make it more pedestrian friendly.

Thats exactly how it used to be - with the tram running down Walcott and Beaufort.

Yes, I am for the idea of re-introducing trams down Beaufort, they would be highly utilised.

[acc521]

I think it's inevitable once the light rail plans start to get implemented. As to a time frame for that eventually happening. 10, 20 years?

[city_thing]

A tram on Walcott st would be fantastic. There are no buses that run along the street in an east west direction, meaning a lot of walking is involved.

[Dilaz89]

So Mt Lawley will have 2 streetscapes on the one street; one by the ToV and the other by CoS?

How perth...

[alvse]

Will William Street be like that too :(

the ToV street scape is actually very pretty now the trees have leaves :)

[Nate Von Longneck II]

So Mt Lawley will have 2 streetscapes on the one street; one by the ToV and the other by CoS?

How perth...

Totally agree, first thing I though of.

In any case, anything North of Walcott really is "the country".

I once lived on First Ave, that is the farthest from the city I have ever lived.

Yes, it was horrible!

..and Alvse, William St is already getting upgrades in NB - lights, trees, etc

[Sanj]

haha poor u nate.

what area did u grow up in if 1st ave is too far?

[Nate Von Longneck II]

haha...

..actually, I grew up in suburbia, but since the 80's have lived in West Perth, Highgate, North Perth, and Mount Lawley...

My mum owns a house in suburbia, she has lived overseas for the last ten years, and has offered it to me rent-free many times.

I just couldn't go back there...!

[ryan79]

Well then a better main artery for cars needs to be created to service the Morley suburbs.

At the moment its a nightmare.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

A main artery, or better public transport?

[Nate Von Longneck II]

Ok that makes sense, I simply feel that it would have been more of a case of them not knowing the details rather than definitely not having funding secured.


But that wouldn't sell newspapers!!!

[urbanwriter]

Page 54 doesn't sell newspapers either lol

[Homeroids]

Nice graphic/pic of the city accompanying the article.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

Page 1, page 54. page 67, its all trash to me!

[urbanwriter]

I'm crying.




(Oh, and that was totally sarcasm, just in case you didn't get it).

[crave]

i hate newspapers.

i don't even bother reading it, and when i do, it's me pretending to care about tha opinions of journalists and important people in tha world, and whilst also being a pretentious cvnt cos i'm probably that pissed off, that someone has that much audacity to even make me wait around long enough, to make me even wanna pick up a freakin newspaper.

it's like reading tha bible.

i'm only interested in reading tha last 5 pages when it's footy season. you just can't make up shit like wce 104 - freo 5 when it's printed...

<\whinge>

[crave]

I'm crying.

hiss.

stop defending it. it's not your fault people have a bad perception of the west.

[city_thing]

hiss.

stop defending it. it's not your fault people have a bad perception of the west.


huh?

*bites tounge*

[samboy]

Come on guys. You have to be fair about this. You can't judge every article based on any previous bad perception. Everything on its merits.

[Dilaz89]

Be fair now. I hate speculation as much as everyone else but until we hear some solid news that this has been financed, speculation will continue.


Credit markets are beginning to losen up slightly now so we could hear some positive news in the coming weeks. Until then, it's still UC and will be constructed.

[ryan79]

Both.

But you couldn't have trams on Beaufort st without removing the street parking.

[city_thing]

Some good news [kinda].

BHP upbeat despite slowing Chinese demand
http://business.watoday.com.au/business/bhp-upbeat-despite-slowing-chinese-demand-20081022-55ru.html?page=-1
October 22, 2008 - 7:19AM

BHP Billiton is confident that the industrialisation of developing economies will continue to drive demand for its products but says volatility and uncertainty will continue in the short term.

The world's largest mining company today said it had delivered a "solid performance'' during the first quarter of the financial year amid a challenging supply environment.

"Chinese growth has softened during the quarter, albeit from very high levels,'' BHP said. "We expect volatility and uncertainty to continue in the short term.''

In early trading, BHP shares were down as much as 6.1%, or $1.80, to $27.51, while Rio shares fell 2.1% to $72.79.

BHP shares have declined more than 35% since the end of June, while its takeover target Rio Tinto has fallen nearly 50%, compared with an 18% pullback in the benchmark index.

The warning follows a series of similar comments from major miners, including Rio whose chief, Tom Albanese, rocked markets last week when he said commodity demand in China was under threat.

Long-term confidence

But BHP was confident that industrialisation in China would continue to drive demand for its major commodities, which also include aluminium, coal and nickel, higher in the longer term.

"We remain confident that the ongoing industrialisation and urbanisation of China and other developing economies will continue to drive strong longer-term demand for our products,'' the company said in a statement. It did not give a briefing.

Mining analysts agreed that China demand would weaken, but said it would remain relatively robust.

"This is just confirmation of pretty much what Tom (Albanese) said and what really the market should have been expecting,'' said Gavin Wendt, head of mining and resources at research outfit Fat Prophets. "It's a very solid result,'' he added.

Iron-ore output jumps

Iron ore output during the three months to September 30 rose 15% to 29.82 million tonnes on the previous corresponding quarter as the company expanded projects in Western Australia.

Petroleum output increased by 15% to 34.8 million barrels of oil equivalent (mmboe) due to newly commissioned projects, despite the impact of two hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico.

Copper output was flat at 308,900 tonnes, with lower production at the Escondida mine in Chile offsetting an improved performance at Olympic Dam in South Australia.

BHP Billiton says copper output at Escondida is estimated to be about ten per cent lower in fiscal 2009.

Nickel output dropped by 31 per cent to 26,800 tonnes following a major furnace rebuild at the Kalgoorlie Nickel Smelter in WA and maintenance at the Yabulu refinery in Queensland.

Production of metallurgical coal, used in steelmaking, dropped by 4% to 9.21 million tonnes as the company recovers from flooding at the start of the year.

Aluminium output declined eight per cent during the first quarter to 309,000 tonnes due to continuing power supply issues in South Africa, which has resulted in the partial shutdown of the Bayside smelter.

Uranium production from Olympic Dam climbed 19% to 1,110 tonnes due to improved recoveries and a record amount of mined material.
Manganese ore output was 27% higher at 1830 tonnes after improved performance at GEMCO off the Northern Territory coast and Hotazel in South Africa.

BHP said increased availability of rail and port capacity in South Africa also helped to increase manganese ore production.

The company spent $US166 million ($236 million) on mineral exploration during the first quarter and $US148 million on petroleum exploration.

[crave]

Both.

But you couldn't have trams on Beaufort st without removing the street parking.

you would only need to take out street side parking in some sections to allow cars to overtake but tha rest would work on a shared lane from brisbane st which can go right up to where tha school is just past walcott st...

church/chapel st, bridge rd, swan st, sydney rd... single share lane w/ street side parking, i would say tha single lane usage on two of these streets are probably longer than brisbane to walcott st...

[Nate Von Longneck II]

I'm crying.




(Oh, and that was totally sarcasm, just in case you didn't get it).

Nobody is attacking you personally, so no need to take it personally - the newspaper is shit, your job isn't to defend it.

[samboy]

well it kinda is if you're attacking it within the context of that specific article

[urbanwriter]

Nobody is attacking you personally, so no need to take it personally - the newspaper is shit, your job isn't to defend it.

Certainly not taking it personally. What I was alluding to was the fact that I don't give a shit whether you think the paper is shit.

[ryan79]

you would only need to take out street side parking in some sections to allow cars to overtake but tha rest would work on a shared lane from brisbane st which can go right up to where tha school is just past walcott st...

church/chapel st, bridge rd, swan st, sydney rd... single share lane w/ street side parking, i would say tha single lane usage on two of these streets are probably longer than brisbane to walcott st...

So where do you put Tram stops and do people wedge in between parked cars to get on and off.

Doesn't seem feasible to me.

[Dilaz89]

Yeah, all on-street parking would need to be removed for trams. The useless median would also need removal.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

That could be your new banner on the front page!

"We don't give a shit if you think this paper is shit!".

Don't worry, we already know, its pretty clear when you read the "journalism".

[Nate Von Longneck II]

Yeah, all on-street parking would need to be removed for trams. The useless median would also need removal.

I use the median all the time, as do most people crossing the street.

Its a place to stop, rather than get run over. Hardly useless.

Tram debate is irrelevant, it will never happen.

[crave]

lol.

can we all have ice cream now and laugh at each other.

[city_thing]

you would only need to take out street side parking in some sections to allow cars to overtake but tha rest would work on a shared lane from brisbane st which can go right up to where tha school is just past walcott st...

church/chapel st, bridge rd, swan st, sydney rd... single share lane w/ street side parking, i would say tha single lane usage on two of these streets are probably longer than brisbane to walcott st...

Clearways starts soon though remember. So basically that means no on street parking during peak times on all major roads in the inner city (or something like that)

There's been big protests here from shopkeepers regarding Clearways. They think it's the end of the world.

[Dilaz89]

I use the median all the time, as do most people crossing the street.

Its a place to stop, rather than get run over. Hardly useless.

Tram debate is irrelevant, it will never happen.

There are better ways to get people to cross a 4 lane road than a median.

We will see trams up Beafort street eventually. I guess it's a long way off though.

[desperaterobots]

Now let's forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry icecream!

[crazyknightsfan]

There are better ways to get people to cross a 4 lane road than a median.

Like?

A median provides safe crossing opportunities along the road. Most people won't bother waiting for pedestrian signals to turn green or walk to the zebra crossing if they can cross the road safely elsewhere.

[Sanj]

yeah i agree ckf and nate.

dilaz - what exactly is wrong with that median and what would u propose instead?

i know ive used that median a lot of times when in mt lawley

[desperaterobots]

Wormholes, obviously.

[Dilaz89]

A crosswalk does more than a median.

It can stay for now but it will have to go if light rail is introduced.

[desperaterobots]

MacTiernan was at the Scotsman last night. What a sassy bitch! (I assume.)

[crave]

So where do you put Tram stops and do people wedge in between parked cars to get on and off.

Doesn't seem feasible to me.

they put clearways on standard intersection tram stops... you can't put fixed tram stops everywhere.

if you were to have tha tram terminate at walcott street, tha last 20/30m or so would be single lane, that gives you ample space to put a fixed tram station.

it works on several levels to have shared lanes and street parking...
one day, beaufort street to walcott and brisbane has tha potential to be very dense and urban on that strip meaning wall to wall urban environment, even more so than it is... it's a major road.

tho tha main thing to consider is tha safety aspect, having share tram/car lane means people are vigilant and aren't zooming about. people on foot and cars and trams.

it's more than acceptable to have brissie to walcott section of beaufort "slowed down" in terms of traffic...

have you forgotten tha light rail study report already? it's all in there, showing how tram stops and shared road or otherwise are dealt with. i'll do scans later if you like... :p

example shows tram going beyond walcott st.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/bewfourt-inter-sekshun.jpg

[basics]

Will the Mighty (soft) Glory beat Adelaide?

Hrm, I dunno.

[Bump]

Clearways starts soon though remember. So basically that means no on street parking during peak times on all major roads in the inner city (or something like that)

There's been big protests here from shopkeepers regarding Clearways. They think it's the end of the world.

I guess you can understand them. If you were driving along and wanted something from a shop, you will just keep on going till you find a parking spot. Then you will go to the nearest shop. If they don't have car parking outside their shops, people will have to make an effort and walk to them.

I guess you just need more off street parking. If trams come in though, surely there would be enough density to support these shops without passing cars.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

I am offended by the use of the word "fag" in craves uncannily accurate representation of the beaucott intersection.

[Auxodium]

carpenter never came across as a strong leader to me, he came across as lifeless, dull and abit arogant.

thank you Gallop had more balls (or had some) than carps... it seemed he was just there for the ride... 2 years of nothingness thanks to carps

[Sanj]

I am offended by the use of the word "fag" in craves uncannily accurate representation of the beaucott intersection.

hahaha u still bitter about the dressing down u received?

[Dilaz89]

quite the contrary,aux. Gallop was openly a consensus driven politician whist Carps was always seen to be his own man. The lastest buzz word for this seems to be maverick.

Too bad he couldn't shake the unions grip of the party that incidently helped labor lose the election.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

hahaha u still bitter about the dressing down u received?

yes, bitter and deeply offended.

Deeply.

:lol:

On a side note, JPMorgan Australia's chief economist Stephen Walters now predicts that Australia will have more than 9% unemployment by 2010.

Discuss.

[Auxodium]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=103879

Busy Perth roads set for makeover
22nd October 2008, 6:00 WST

Two of Perth’s busiest arterial roads are set to be redeveloped, with plans to revamp Stirling Highway and a staged makeover of Beaufort Street in Mt Lawley.

Stirling City Council is planning an art deco-themed upgrade of Beaufort Street between Walcott Street and Queens Crescent, including paving, street seating, bollards, bins and street and carpark lighting by June 2010. About $750,000 has been set aside for the first stage.

Public art is also likely to carry the 1920s and 30s feel.

Bike racks will be installed to encourage cycling. The plan includes a new public toilet, improved bus shelters and modifications to the kerbing, intersections and median strip to make the area more pedestrian-friendly.

Nedlands council has begun 12 months of consultation on a plan to redevelop Stirling Highway between Loch Street and Broadway, flagging not just streetscape changes such as trees and turning lanes but also allowing high density mixed-use commercial and residential development on surrounding blocks.

The council identified Stirling Highway for possible higher density redevelopment after the Carpenter government insisted its new Town Planning Scheme comply with Network City’s transit-oriented planning principles.

Mayor Sheryl Froese said the council had budgeted $200,000 towards the project and expected draft guidelines by mid to late next year.

PERTH
DANIEL HATCH

way to go CoS... how about the real major roads like Reid Highway in your LGA boundary...

[crave]

On a side note, JPMorgan Australia's chief economist Stephen Walters now predicts that Australia will have more than 9% unemployment by 2010.

Discuss.

which sector(s) will collapse for that to happen? or is he on tha assumption that australia will fall on its ass (domino effect), if it continues pursuing tha values of tha american dream?

[urbanwriter]

MacTiernan was at the Scotsman last night. What a sassy bitch! (I assume.)

So was I. Where were you?

[desperaterobots]

I don't know what you look like! Also I was very drunk.

[acc521]

To have the luxury of getting drunk on a Tuesday night...

[desperaterobots]

Luxury! I'm in overdraft. :P

[acc521]

I meant time wise lol. Work today?

[Bonga]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but CityVision have added some extra content to their website...

http://www.cityvision.org.au/

...including a sketch of their foreshore plan, and their proposal for the Northbridge Link.

[Dilaz89]

just read that CV plan. It is riddled with contridictions and a lack of rescources to back their claims

[Scrawny]

They've put a picture of the sydney opera house on the perth forshore. :ohno:

[acc521]

Not one footnote to backup anything. Great for credibility.

[city_thing]

DB is a money hungry slut.

Milan unveil bid to sign Beckham
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/22/david-beckham-ac-milan-la-galaxy

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/06/01/FLlanoAP.jpg

AC Milan have confirmed they are trying to sign David Beckham on loan from Los Angeles Galaxy, hoping that the former England captain will sign a short-term deal during the January transfer window. Beckham had initially seemed likely to train with the Italian club immediately after the end of the Major League Soccer season this weekend, but is now being lined up to make a loan move early next year.

Beckham has previously expressed his desire to remain in contention for England's World Cup qualifying matches in April and may consider the move to Serie A in a bid to remain fit.

Although reports currently conflict on whether or not Beckham has yet confirmed his interest in the deal, the Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani said today that he is confident the 33-year-old midfielder will sign. "Beckham wants to train and play for Milan," Galliani said. "We want him and he will arrive in January for the rest of the season. It's not just a shop window deal - it's a great deal. He will be available to Carlo Ancelotti for Serie A and the Uefa Cup.

"Football today is about full stadiums and sponsors and superstars like Beckham fill them up. With him, Kaka and Ronaldinho, it will be a dream team," Galliani told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

Galliani also spoke to reporters this morning at Milan's Malpensa airport. "We are speaking with his agent but we believe he will arrive for some months on a free loan," Galliani said. "Beckham has chosen Milan. Our squad is ultra-competitive and it will remain this way, but Beckham is something different and intriguing."

The Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti also appears to be certain that Beckham will soon be one of his players. "For me it will be a pleasure, Beckham is a serious athlete, a great professional," said Ancelotti on AC Milan's official website. "If he is available for four months with us, we will be very happy."

Beckham had been linked with the Rossoneri before leaving Real Madrid for the United States in 2007. Since then, Beckham has only been a fringe member of the England squad despite earning his 107th cap last week. A move to Serie A, and the England coach Fabio Capello's former club, in particular, will enhance his prospects of regaining full fitness at the highest level and increase his chances of playing in England's busy start to 2009.

England have a probable friendly against Spain lined up for February, plus a home friendly against Slovakia in March, and World Cup qualifiers against Ukraine in April, and Kazakhstan and Andorra in June.

How long has he been with LA Galaxy??

[Scrawny]

Long enough to help them become the worst team in the league.

[izza]

CV foreshore plan looks very simmilar to the COP concert hall development concept

[JWPJ]

That's why he said former schools lol. There are a lot of schools in prime locations that are inefficient and rundown with a low number of enrolments. As more 'super schools' are built these areas will be prime for redevelopment with some level of density. Obviously how dense will depend on the area.

I know I'm a bit late in responding, but that is what they did with Hollywood and Swanbourne, they then built Shenton. Now, both Shenton and Churchlands are full to the brim, the "super school" as you call it doesn't allow for as much flexibility. They also shut down City Beach High because it was getting low enrolments; rather than shut it down I would have suggested they look at WHY it was getting such low enrolments when Churchlands and Shenton were booming.

[BartBart]

CV foreshore plan looks very simmilar to the COP concert hall development concept

Exactly - but the PCC plan behind (i.e. riverside of) the Concert Hall is the place for this style of development. I agree that CV's foreshore plan looks pretty much a cut and paste of the Concert Hall one.

[acc521]

It's not the super school concept that is flawed, but the implementation. They are both great schools and are becoming vicitms of their own success in regards to overcrowding now. A realistic view needs to be taken when shutting down any schools as to making sure the facilities are there. For example a school like Balcatta High has good facilities and lots of prime land but has declined in academic quality considerably over the past 10 years. It should be redeveloped into a super school and it could comfortably attract double the amount of students it currently has.

[Auxodium]

yeah i agree ckf and nate.

dilaz - what exactly is wrong with that median and what would u propose instead?

i know ive used that median a lot of times when in mt lawley

seems to be rather anti road to be honest

quite the contrary,aux. Gallop was openly a consensus driven politician whist Carps was always seen to be his own man. The lastest buzz word for this seems to be maverick.

Too bad he couldn't shake the unions grip of the party that incidently helped labor lose the election.

Carps was all talk but was put back in his box when factional and union play was at work... you should know that

Long enough to help them become the worst team in the league.

LA Galaxy were a shit team before Beckham arrived...

[Dilaz89]

Everyone knew that aux. Why do you think he handpicked his own candidates?

[dallastexjr]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but I've been waiting a while for it and here it is....


The latest 'World's Best Skyline' results have been released. Perth has moved up ten places from 102 to 92, with plenty more upward movement doubtless to come each year for the next several years if the economic downturn doesn't scrap too many more scrapers.

Perth is sandwiched between the outer burbs of Dubai (Ajman) and New Orleans, which for obvious reasons, has dropped several places this year. All other Australian and New Zealand cities except the Gold Coast dropped on the list.

Adelaide is at 282. Darwin, despite its proliferation of new scrapers, still doesn't appear on the 518-city list. This might change in the next couple of years as it currently has the second most cranes in Australia behind Perth, with a number of those developments above 60 metres.

However, Perth didn't even make the Top 100 on Emporis' bland list, although if a greater list were compiled Perth would probably be just outside the Top 100:
http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/st/sr

[crave]

just read that CV plan. It is riddled with contridictions and a lack of rescources to back their claims

tha foreshore is rubbish.

but i do believe their promenade gardens/waterway has some merits. i do believe it should run for tha whole entirety of tha link... tha mid-sections should have built form on both sides, for which a sky bridge can be used to link...

[Homeroids]

just read that CV plan. It is riddled with contridictions and a lack of rescources to back their claims

Yep, sure is, and it's quite outspoken of other organizations in an almost political way. I also notice you can only get members names by request. One, having limited members kind of insulates you from wider TRUE opinion. Two, why on request?

CityVision rightly gave public praise to Landcorp at the beginning of this project, for its open
and transparent consultative process. Sadly, it has been downhill from there, lapsing into the
usual process of inviting public comment, but eschewing a genuine and continuing dialogue.
The next steps must involve open, transparent dialogue and planning, involving the
community and the wealth of knowledge and talent that abounds in this place, to ensure the
best for our city and its foreshore. This forum must not be the last of its kind.
We need to proceed as openly as possible. Landcorp, a developer with the agenda of a
developer, albeit one owned by the government, must not have a monopoly on the design of a
waterfront that belongs to all of us.

[alvse]

The CV plan is a massive joke...!!! Sydney Opera house rip off ffs...!!! lol... I thought they didn't want us to be like Sydney or Melbourne?

and half of their plan is POS... dead zone anyone?

[Bump]

CV have done a good job showcasing their ideas. It would be good to see Future Perth doing the same. Not just supporting the current Northbridge Link proposal, but also suggesting ways to improve it. They have some good ideas, but on the whole I don't like their vision. I see CVs style as reducing costs, but also reducing substance. Not what I want.

[All4dev]

Perth definately has to do something with its foreshore and northbridge railway lines. However this is definately not the way to go...

Perth needs to make the most of its amazing river frontage yet the last thing it needs is massive ferris wheels (ala London & Melb) or an Opera house... Perth should def do something but something that sets perth above the rest.

maybe the northbridge link should be something similar to what Brisbane did with Southbank.... there was a lot of resistance when those plans initially came out but it has turned into a great scheme.

[city_thing]

I can't believe that shitty drawling of the Perth Foreshore on their site. It's like one of the guys made their kid draw it up and then scanned it in. What idiots.

[JWPJ]

While I whole-heartedly disagree with City Vision, Future Perth does need to do something similar; as in provide alternative visions, improvements etc. On a side note; the foreshore by City Vision oddly appears to have less public space than the Landcorp plan. The Sydney Perth Opera House is in a crappy position and for the love of god, what about the stagnant water!?

On the Northbridge Link; they are under the correct impression that Perth does not have much active public space; yet seem to be under the false impression that this will be solved by adding yet more to the city!

[Dilaz89]

I thought FP agreed to the plans put out by the government, particularly on NB Link as the masterplan is complete and ready to go.

[Scraperfan]

is anyone else having trouble opening the cityfail site?

[city_thing]

Yeah I could only see their front page. None of their links were opening for me.

[city_thing]

All aboard the atheist bus campaign
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/21/religion-advertising

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/10/20/atheistbus.jpg

The atheist bus campaign launches today thanks to Comment is free readers. Because of your enthusiastic response to the idea of a reassuring God-free advert being used to counter religious advertising, the slogan "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" could now become an ad campaign on London buses – and leading secularists have jumped on board to help us raise the money.

The British Humanist Association will be administering all donations to the campaign, and Professor Richard Dawkins, bestselling author of The God Delusion, has generously agreed to match all contributions up to a maximum of £5,500, giving us a total of £11,000 if we raise the full amount. This will be enough to fund two sets of atheist adverts on 30 London buses for four weeks.

If the buses hit the road, this will be the UK's first ever atheist advertising campaign. It's an exciting development, which I never expected when I first proposed the idea on Cif in June. Back then, I was just keen to counter the religious ads running on public transport, which featured a URL to a website telling non-Christians they would spend "all eternity in torment in hell", burning in "a lake of fire". When I suggested the atheist counter-slogan (now shortened for readability), the response was extremely positive, and hundreds of you pledged your support after the follow-up article.

As you read this, a new advertising campaign for Alpha Courses is running on London buses. If you attend an Alpha Course, you will again be told that failing to believe in Jesus will condemn you to hell. There's no doubt that advertising can be effective, and religious advertising works particularly well on those who are vulnerable, frightening them into believing. Religious organisations' jobs are made easier because there's no publicly visible counter-view to refute their threats of eternal damnation.

The atheist bus campaign aims to change this. In addition to the slogan, the adverts will feature the URLs of secular, humanist and atheist websites, so that readers can find out more about atheism as a positive and liberating alternative to religion. We've also set up an interactive campaign website and Facebook group, so that questions raised by the adverts can be publicly debated.

CBS Outdoor, the bus advertising company, will run the atheist adverts in January if the funds are raised – but we need your help to make this happen.

Your donations will give atheism a more visible presence in the UK, generate debate, brighten people's day on the way to work, and hopefully encourage more people to come out as atheists. As Richard Dawkins says: "This campaign to put alternative slogans on London buses will make people think – and thinking is anathema to religion."

[city_thing]

My jaw is still on the ground after reading this article... Austria must be in shock!

Leader says Haider was his lover
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/23/jorge

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/red/blue_pics/2008/10/23/Haider1.jpg

The successor to the Austrian rightwing populist Jörg Haider, Stefan Petzner, has shocked the staunchly conservative country by revealing in a tearful interview that they shared a "special relationship".

Petzner, 27, who was confirmed yesterday as the leader of the Alliance for the Future of Austria (BZO) after Haider's death in a car crash two weeks ago, made the admission on Austrian radio, effectively confirming long-standing rumours that he and Haider were lovers.

Attempts by the party to stop repeats of the broadcast failed after the state broadcaster ORF insisted it would not be gagged.

Petzner, who met Haider five years ago when he was working as a beauty correspondent, said he felt a "magnetic attraction" to the firebrand politician, who was 31 years his senior. He said that Haider's main worry was that their relationship would not withstand the age gap.

Petzner said: "We had a relationship that went far beyond friendship. Jörg and I were connected by something really special. He was the man of my life."

The news stunned Austria, which has been coming to terms with the death of the anti-immigrant politician. Haider, who voted against a parliamentary motion to lower the age of consent for homosexuals, had presented himself as a family man who drank sparingly. But after the car crash it was revealed that he had been driving at twice the speed limit, his blood alcohol level had been four times the legal limit, and he had spent his final hours in a gay bar in Klagenfurt, the capital of the southern state where he was governor.

There has been further speculation that the crash happened after Haider and Petzner argued at a party.

Petzner said that Claudia, Haider's wife of 32 years and the mother of his two daughters, had not objected to their relationship.

But in an interview published in an Austrian women's magazine, Petzner's sister Christiane seemed to suggest otherwise.

"Claudia was sometimes jealous of him because he spent more time with her husband than she did," she said.

[Perth4life]

fucking awesome!

how do we get it in Australia?


*Athiest thing

[samboy]

fucking awesome!

how do we get it in Australia?


*Athiest thing


Don't get to excited mate. Those who preach atheism are just as bad as those who preach relegion. Think about it it's no different. If you don't believe in something that fine but you don't have to 'follow' someone to NOT believe in something.

[jackso]

I am athiest but i dont think of myself as a member of an athiest group.

People have to be wary of athieism becoming a religion, because it would be very easy for it to become so. Its like a religion of people who dont believe in religion/God.

[Scrawny]

Don't get to excited mate. Those who preach atheism are just as bad as those who preach relegion. Think about it it's no different. If you don't believe in something that fine but you don't have to 'follow' someone to NOT believe in something.

Bullshite. Atheism is about evidence, science and most importantly, the truth. Religious preachers are against all of these things. How can you say they are the same?

[ryan79]

Don't get to excited mate. Those who preach atheism are just as bad as those who preach relegion. Think about it it's no different. If you don't believe in something that fine but you don't have to 'follow' someone to NOT believe in something.

Thats very true.

In fact it would even go against the principal of true atheism.

However, with the abundance of religious shite around I think there is nothing wrong with a bit of balance. Nothing wrong with a counter argument or differing opinion.

[city_thing]

Thats very true.

In fact it would even go against the principal of true atheism.

However, with the abundance of religious shite around I think there is nothing wrong with a bit of balance. Nothing wrong with a counter argument or differing opinion.

How could anything go against the principal of true atheism when there are no principals are organised belief? The only principal is that you don't believe in God.

[ryan79]

Atheism is based on the principle that god doesn't exist and that religion is full of shit and shouldn't be preached.

If you preach against religion it kinda goes against tha principle.

If you like do a search on the principles of Atheism. They are well and truly there.

[Scrawny]

Atheism is based on the principle that god doesn't exist and that religion is full of shit and shouldn't be preached.

If you preach against religion it kinda goes against tha principle.

If you like do a search on the principles of Atheism. They are well and truly there.

Nah that's not true. I'm as atheist as they come and I definitley don't think that religion should be banned or not preached or anything like that. They only principle that atheists have in common is that god doesn't exsist and that's all.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1783,Atheism-is-a-religion-and-youre-as-bad-as-the-fundamentalists,RichardDawkinsnet

"My (imperfect) litmus test for religion is that a candidate must have two elements. 1. A belief in some kind of supernatural phenomenon, and 2. some ritualistic behavior.

If atheism is a religion, so is baseball!"

[Dilaz89]

I wonder if we'd see more religious advertising here in Perth if advertising laws were not so draconian.

Where the new theatre is UC used to be a large billboard and I remeber a large poster with the GC getting hammered by tidal waves and the text read "A sign on the times".
I ended up getting around to checking out the website and it was full off doomsday precher shit.

Actually, just last night I was on youtube looking at clips that suggested Barack Obama was the anti-christ from the book of revelation. It would not surprise me if some religious nut tries to kill him.

[ryan79]

Nah that's not true. I'm as atheist as they come and I definitley don't think that religion should be banned or not preached or anything like that. They only principle that atheists have in common is that god doesn't exsist and that's all.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1783,Atheism-is-a-religion-and-youre-as-bad-as-the-fundamentalists,RichardDawkinsnet

"My (imperfect) litmus test for religion is that a candidate must have two elements. 1. A belief in some kind of supernatural phenomenon, and 2. some ritualistic behavior.

If atheism is a religion, so is baseball!"

So am I and yes the fundamental belief of atheism is god doesn't exist.

However if you do some research you'll find there is a bit more to atheism and its principles and attitudes towards religion as well.

[Scrawny]

I don't know what you're talking about. I've read all of the fourhorsemens books and the only common thread between all of them is that god doesn't exist. They have big disagreements about all the other issues. For example, Richard Dawkins start a movement of atheists called the Brights, and Christopher Hitchens in particular was very critical of this.

Again, likening atheists to religious fundamentalists just doens't stack up.

[Perth4life]

Don't get to excited mate. Those who preach atheism are just as bad as those who preach relegion. Think about it it's no different. If you don't believe in something that fine but you don't have to 'follow' someone to NOT believe in something.

i don't "preach" atheism, nor do i follow it at a group and i agree it's just as bad as a religion.

The reason i would like to see it is mainly to see the media reaction and also the outrage that would come from all the main churches (and perthnow).

:lol:

[acc521]

And so it begins again. Get ready for the TT exposes and so on and so forth...

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24541307-948,00.html

Daylight saving argument will again divide WA

Andrea Hayward, AAP

October 23, 2008 12:00pm

THE big daylight saving dilemma is about to waken West Australians again from their winter hibernation.

The issue, widely considered the most contentious in the west, will again be hotly debated in the pubs and around barbecues as sandgropers turn their clocks forward this weekend, perhaps for the last time.

The change, which adds an hour of daylight to the evening, has polarised the state for decades.

This summer ends a three-year trial before a referendum on daylight saving is held between May and September next year.

The question to be asked is: ``Are you in favour of daylight saving being introduced in Western Australia by standard time in the state being advanced one hour from the last Sunday in October 2009 until the last Sunday in March 2010 and in similar fashion for each following year?''

Similar questions have been asked in WA referendums in 1975, 1984 and 1992.

At all of them, daylight saving was firmly rejected.

Western Australia has had daylight saving at various times over a century, but it had been put to bed for 14 years until former Liberal MP Matt Birney and former Labor turned Independent MP John D'Orazio revisited the issue in the WA parliament in 2006.

Amid heated debate, their bill for a three-year trial was passed, and in December that year, WA turned its clocks forward again.

Mr D'Orazio bore the brunt of the public backlash receiving two death threats and a host of hate mail.

``Once the bill was passed there were people opposed to it and they were pretty vocal, but once it was introduced for the first time the viciousness really came out,'' Mr D'Orazio said this week.

``We were getting death threats, (threats to) break my legs ... some letters indicated I should put my head under a train.

``There were all sorts of vicious comments, to the point where we referred two of the matters off to police because they were that vicious and that detailed.''

It was the most divisive issue Mr D'Orazio dealt with in more than two decades of local and state politics.

``People seem to have an opinion and a strongly held opinion and they are not going to change whatever you say or whatever the argument,'' he said.

``I remember going to a wedding and a very dear friend of mine who had been a supporter of mine for years spent two-and-half hours telling me how disgusting it was and how could I do it to him and that he was never going to forgive me for it.

``And I thought you know this is a wedding and this is a friend, imagine if it was an enemy.''

Mr D'Orazio still maintains that the younger generation supports daylight saving and want a chance to have their say at the polls.

But he admits it will be an uphill battle for those supporting a ``yes'' vote next year.

``I think the referendum will be very close, I think you have to remember there haven't been too many referendums carried on any issue, at any time,'' he said.

Premier Colin Barnett has swung towards a ``no'' vote after starting out as partial to the idea.

Mr Barnett says it does not suit his lifestyle, which includes morning hits of tennis and strolls along the beach in his Cottesloe electorate.

Like Nationals leader Brendon Grylls, his partner in government, he is keen to see the referendum held as soon as possible after the end of the trial period.

Mr Grylls says the lobbying by his constituency against daylight saving is intense.

The former wheatbelt farmer, who holds the balance of power in the new parliament and wields his royalties-for-regions plan like the Sword of Damocles over Mr Barnett, says he initially held a personal preference for daylight saving.

But within his constituency, he said, the lobbying on daylight saving has been far more intense than the lobbying on his plan to put royalties from the state's mining into regional infrastructure and services.

``Let me assure you my supporters have won me over and I have had that many petitions and calls that I wouldn't dare vote for daylight saving even if I had the chance to,'' Mr Grylls said.

``The referendum ... should be held as soon as possible.''

Mr Barnett said government agencies including the Water Corporation, the Physical Activity Taskforce, police, Department of Energy, Tourism WA and the Office of Road Safety are collecting data on the effects of daylight saving.

The information will be finalised in reports at the end of the trial, he said.

Despite the controversy, the issue has attracted little academic research on the effects of daylight saving.

On Perth talkback radio, mothers complain their children suffer from lack of sleep, men complain they have to get up for work in the dark, while many listeners say the days are long enough as they are.

Apart from the results of the referendum, that's about as academic as the argument may get.

[Perth4life]

man i am getting so sick of the bullshit that comes out of this cities media. Anyone see TT are having a special?

fucking get over it and move on already...:bash:

[Perth4life]

"Mr D'Orazio still maintains that the younger generation supports daylight saving and want a chance to have their say at the polls."'

[docker]

And so it begins again. Get ready for the TT exposes and so on and so forth...

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24541307-948,00.html

Daylight saving argument will again divide WA

Andrea Hayward, AAP


actually before i went to baseball training today, i saw an ad for TT, and it was saying how DLS could save your life or something, i never watched it cos i was at baseball, but i found this headline weird for TT. perhaps someone in the studio now likes DLS.

[acc521]

Despite the controversy, the issue has attracted little academic research on the effects of daylight saving.

No shit. Perhaps because everywhere but WA there is no controversy :bash:

[Perth4life]

i can't wait personally!

starts this w.e yes?

[acc521]

This Sunday 2:00AM becomes 3:00AM.

[Perth4life]

fuck i have work on sunday, hence i lose an hours sleep.... but it's all worth that extra light and the hour we get back in March :D

[acc521]

It was great when DLS finished last year because I was out and it was getting late, then 3:00 rolled along and it became 2:00 again :)

[Perth4life]

for some reason ever since daylight savings ended my time on here is still an hour ahead. I havn't got around to changing it back, so it seems it would have paid off :colgate:

[JWPJ]

Links to the City Vision documents (the ones that work anyway);
http://www.cityvision.org.au/shared/NorthbridgeLinkCityVision-EPRA-plan.pdf
http://www.cityvision.org.au/shared/Northbridge-Foreshore-Oct08.pdf
http://www.cityvision.org.au/shared/Waterfront-CityVision-Plan.pdf

[samboy]

Bullshite. Atheism is about evidence, science and most importantly, the truth. Religious preachers are against all of these things. How can you say they are the same?

You've completely missed the point. I am talking about 'preaching'

It's you choice to be atheist, relgious whatever you like but you don't need to join a 'group' to be atheist. Can you spot the irony??

[buildemup]

I can't believe how people complain about the 1 hour adjustment. I guess it's because so many people in Perth have never travelled to another time zone before.

[ryan79]

I can't believe how people complain about the 1 hour adjustment. I guess it's because so many people in Perth have never travelled to another time zone before.

So many Perth people can not operate a clock.

I have seriously heard people whinge that the worse part is having to change their clock. This is not a joke.

[ryan79]

And so it begins again. Get ready for the TT exposes and so on and so forth...

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24541307-948,00.html

Daylight saving argument will again divide WA

Andrea Hayward, AAP

October 23, 2008 12:00pm

THE big daylight saving dilemma is about to waken West Australians again from their winter hibernation.

The issue, widely considered the most contentious in the west, will again be hotly debated in the pubs and around barbecues as sandgropers turn their clocks forward this weekend, perhaps for the last time.

The change, which adds an hour of daylight to the evening, has polarised the state for decades.

This summer end